From mj@mjw.se Mon Aug 1 02:05:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96D2C7500D0 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 02:05:17 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.783 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.783 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.982] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hBY55Mbf878Y for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 02:05:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.mjw.se (host-88-80-29-25.cust.prq.se [88.80.29.25]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A5F5750093 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 02:05:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 9698 invoked by uid 89); 1 Aug 2011 02:03:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mj) (mj@mjw.se@85.226.22.204) by mail.mjw.se with ESMTPA; 1 Aug 2011 02:03:30 -0000 From: "mattias" To: Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 04:05:01 +0200 Message-ID: <002501cc4fef$6cd2bcb0$cc16e255@mj> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01CC5000.305B8CB0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3664 Importance: Normal Subject: [orca-list] centos 6 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 02:05:17 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01CC5000.305B8CB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit anyone tryed it? ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01CC5000.305B8CB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Meddelande
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------=_NextPart_000_0026_01CC5000.305B8CB0-- From john.boyer@abilitiessoft.com Mon Aug 1 04:58:07 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55E617500D0 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 04:58:07 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LQAOSX6uVzfh for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 04:58:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64DB4750093 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 04:57:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([76.201.149.46]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LZzbJ-1RFdoi3ovl-00lgUb; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 00:57:55 -0400 Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 23:57:52 -0500 From: "John J. Boyer" To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110801045752.GA11105@jjb-centos.workgroup> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:Iz9YtPxM4jlBj0wPVyIGn9kpHPZ9UrcK3rEJaoDkhmC j3yHAZ2GICmKqr82q2pnI6X3eWYIUm0IXFlCRFbGkVpxHdnsjV 3bVTKIUdjKV8tdvGMe5jkJmtbs3QxG7oqnv9pICOPAu7AwhGaF ZwIyWLD+MnDL8tKNSjDeQHZDp5qKCgcnZQ8FqOV9G3VeLcGAOM MKsTZXtfsX+KMa69TJvs/5DVtZ8uSWw/pSQj4MKvHY= Subject: [orca-list] I need a tutorial on Orca. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 04:58:07 -0000 It should be in plain text. Incidentally, I have CentOS 5.6. It has Orca, but I would like step-by-step instructions for setting it up with a Braille display. Thanks, John -- John J. Boyer; President, Chief Software Developer Abilitiessoft, Inc. http://www.abilitiessoft.com Madison, Wisconsin USA Developing software for people with disabilities From chmiel@deep.cz Mon Aug 1 10:47:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A45107501E6 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 10:47:29 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RPrg552SNZz1 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 10:47:26 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 1784 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at menubar.gnome.org; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 10:47:26 UTC Received: from smtp-out3.iol.cz (smtp-out3.iol.cz [194.228.2.91]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21ED77501C9 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 10:47:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from antivir5.iol.cz (unknown [192.168.30.212]) by smtp-out3.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C253BC83DD for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 10:17:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (antivir5.iol.cz [127.0.0.1]) by antivir5.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C2B01E805F for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 12:17:31 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at iol.cz Received: from antivir5.iol.cz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (antivir5.iol.cz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10224) with LMTP id 6RNTD1HyMHOQ for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 12:17:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from port8.iol.cz (unknown [192.168.30.98]) by antivir5.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83CBD1E805D for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 12:17:29 +0200 (CEST) X-SBRS: None X-SBRS-none: None X-RECVLIST: MTA-OUT-IOL X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkcMABB8Nk5asFO7/2dsb2JhbAAMGxqFQJMQkgZAPQ0CBxgDAgECARs9CAKHbCPACYM/BQeCdwSSe5BmZw Received: from 187.83.broadband9.iol.cz (HELO [10.0.0.2]) ([90.176.83.187]) by port8.iol.cz with ESMTP; 01 Aug 2011 12:17:14 +0200 Message-ID: <4E367D22.3090703@deep.cz> Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 12:17:06 +0200 From: "Mgr. Janusz Chmiel" Organization: Prodeep o.s User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110706 Firefox/5.0 SeaMonkey/2.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] kind suggestion to read chat messages on WEB pages more automatically X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 10:47:29 -0000 Dear core developers of Orca, dear Orca users, I would like to initiate A discussion about The following new feature. As many of us very probably know very well, there are more and more special WEB pages, which are used as A chat rooms. There are even freeware services, which are serving many users as a Internet chat providers. The following hyperlink will move You to The one chatroom, which i have setuped on The everywherechat WEB service. http://www.everywherechat.com/chatnow.php?defaultRoom=Visually_impaired_system_administrators The issue is, that Orca and many other screen readers are triing to read The texts on The dynamic WEB pages which are not using Aria live regions only on The user request. So if user will not press arrow keys, Orca and many others even very expensive commercial screen readers will never read new messages automatically. So my kind pleasment is, what about to try think about new algorithm, which would enable visually impaired users to automatically read new chat messages even on The WEB pages, which are not using ARIA live regions such as The WEB page, which i have provided You for The test. You will need The Adobe flash player installed, You will have to click on The onlyone build in Adobe flash object. After this object activation, You will be able to fill out The user name and password, You can type The user name and password what You want. If somebody know about freely awailable chat room, which is based on The ARIA live regions technology, would somebody provide me The link to this service? Orca is working with WEB pages with The ARIA live regions perfectly, regions can be monitored automatically and user can even manually get The text from several predefined live regions. ANy discussion about this topic is welcomed. Aspecially programmers arguments, why it is not possible to make this algorithms on WEB sites, which are not support ARIA live regions. BUt if somebody know about freely awailable chat room with ARIA live regions support, please let me know about it. Thank YOu very much for Yours discussion. With kindness regards. Janusz Chmiel From jason@jasonjgw.net Mon Aug 1 10:54:30 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE8447501A4 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 10:54:30 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.551 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.551 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_BRBL_LASTEXT=1.449] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fd5nPWbEIjxJ for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 10:54:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from jdc.jasonjgw.net (ppp198-218.static.internode.on.net [59.167.198.218]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45DA47501F9 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 10:54:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by jdc.jasonjgw.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 15C6D1807B665; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 20:54:18 +1000 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=jasonjgw.net; s=mail; t=1312196058; bh=RrDAZwtmJjQcy1N/N9knC+25yS9vafeqapYpwBS0pmk=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:In-Reply-To; b=jjSW0k1rIxaNwDudYcpXKyftxxwoRpijd7HqoxtHpbSHNwwCHlgEHUldAPtE8QXgQ Cvz2HQTBgQi1cEmZRCUvrV0WOXU8N7rw6Vvy/b/OHvj7GGBMCSq8czkbc+KkKKx0Rn 1x2kt253m6ABrVS/Do7NqPzeWVYVEfssFmFjne2Q= Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 20:54:18 +1000 From: Jason White To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110801105418.GA29485@jdc.jasonjgw.net> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4E367D22.3090703@deep.cz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4E367D22.3090703@deep.cz> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] kind suggestion to read chat messages on WEB pages more automatically X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 10:54:31 -0000 Mgr. Janusz Chmiel wrote: > If somebody know about freely awailable chat room, which is based on > The ARIA live regions technology, would somebody provide me The link > to this service? http://atutor.ca/achat/ might be what you need. From chmiel@deep.cz Mon Aug 1 10:59:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0A117502CE for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 10:59:12 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eouzEZIKNtc2 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 10:59:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-out4.iol.cz (smtp-out4.iol.cz [194.228.2.92]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 711EF7501F9 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 10:59:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from antivir6.iol.cz (unknown [192.168.30.215]) by smtp-out4.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07503CE72C9 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 10:59:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (antivir6.iol.cz [127.0.0.1]) by antivir6.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0C68720059 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 12:58:59 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at iol.cz Received: from antivir6.iol.cz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (antivir6.iol.cz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10224) with LMTP id XAutTUlyeHav for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 12:58:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from port5.iol.cz (unknown [192.168.30.95]) by antivir6.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F4A8720036 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 12:58:59 +0200 (CEST) X-SBRS: None X-SBRS-none: None X-RECVLIST: MTA-OUT-IOL X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkoMADCGNk5asFO7/2dsb2JhbAAMNYVAkxGRRwEBAQEDAQEBNTYKEQsYCRYPCQMCAQIBFQYqEwYCAodswC2GQgSSe4lshno Received: from 187.83.broadband9.iol.cz (HELO [10.0.0.2]) ([90.176.83.187]) by port5.iol.cz with ESMTP; 01 Aug 2011 12:58:59 +0200 Message-ID: <4E3686EC.5070004@deep.cz> Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 12:58:52 +0200 From: "Mgr. Janusz Chmiel" Organization: Prodeep o.s User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110706 Firefox/5.0 SeaMonkey/2.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4E367D22.3090703@deep.cz> <20110801105418.GA29485@jdc.jasonjgw.net> In-Reply-To: <20110801105418.GA29485@jdc.jasonjgw.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] kind suggestion to read chat messages on WEB pages more automatically X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 10:59:13 -0000 Jason White napsal(a): > Mgr. Janusz Chmiel wrote: > >> If somebody know about freely awailable chat room, which is based on >> The ARIA live regions technology, would somebody provide me The link >> to this service? > http://atutor.ca/achat/ > might be what you need. > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > Dear syr, Thank You very, very much, so You think, that this chat room would support ammazing Orca feature, which is able to announce The live regions? Thank You very much, it is not easy to specifi The right key words on The Google to find this kind of chat room. Very well done, You have made me very happy. I AM starting to test this chat room with Orca with The live regions announcement feature. Can i leave The Orca live regions politeness settings on The default predefined setting? -- Mgr. Janusz Chmiel From rickfunes@yahoo.com Mon Aug 1 17:16:12 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12E977501A4 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 17:16:12 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.795 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.795 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.806, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RfH+zUGEHKv0 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 17:16:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm25-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm25-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.228]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 22F6675002C for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 17:16:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.91.67] by nm25.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2011 17:15:59 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.200] by tm7.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2011 17:15:59 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp211.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2011 17:15:59 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1312218958; bh=iIT9HXXRABc85Eca0q/tcw7maPu+GD626k62vNluPF4=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=PZtDXgNxJO4f8G5sbI/F7ogN8vt/5mTylBQUiBKl2ZzX3lAYexJ8RwW5XcVWezJzZDkGkiFaqCM6yr5P15Wq68ULkNePr1kfy2Wg/yH47iHy3tm6T+dNeq4jzIPwHJIDV6jJAXRUE6OZWD++ex8In0dXxr+Bmq28/hofqCp1d4A= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 560113.2941.bm@smtp211.mail.gq1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: DxRUBXMVM1mO6Ugm9ERh1.hrR4lstX8Z2gDlcZ34V_NzHc4 cONpgM0Mux4TX.1uimPoB0JnyLvaC7O7VRrxTgzu7iBg9fXxG9UaD57ivaLU vanzWXny.hRFAaYZLwSoWWZl4m67cWGm27tnNPARlaM.wZ0oXdee9IzwVxpa 0J4niC_wNRYGi0BF9m_ENIh2w74tEYXu6RlF7f.VO8BiPNkSKSOVFEYUBATH 0h_ZtgVEtsGHUOfelPRK6YdLxIVyDi9Xfe7RhuClF_99YTaSd5VSagbaADK5 bmJsxZoYTzRapTAI7rTdqJm.MWfZXIyK1uDp5rXdgVMMlNSP_qvc5gSCwxlB wVpXdr0p_wCuYcWo6U7F7Aqy9CwfRLazjMcuQHkwx3iZYnSE9_vDqBOhRbmx E3OjBYA8XE8Ak0I7wo_kveQ.i X-Yahoo-SMTP: ZchkVoeswBB3Ar.3OdyTafwDf65gRw-- Received: from [192.168.1.100] (rickfunes@76.90.206.87 with plain) by smtp211.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 01 Aug 2011 10:15:58 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <4E36DF47.9080909@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 10:15:51 -0700 From: Richard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <002501cc4fef$6cd2bcb0$cc16e255@mj> In-Reply-To: <002501cc4fef$6cd2bcb0$cc16e255@mj> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] centos 6 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 17:16:12 -0000 Hi mattias, et al... I don't believe that Orca works well under CentOS6. I believe CentOS6 relies on Gnome 2.28 which is no longer supported in Orca. I'm also almost positive that the Anaconda install is not Orca friendly. If CentOS 6 and the other distros that rely on Gnome 2.28 were to upgrade to Gnome 2.30 or 2.32, we'd have some shot. The other distros that rely on CentOS's specific setup are RHEL and Scientific Linux. Also Oracle Linux. I believe that Gnome-Speech is still used, not Speech-Dispatcher. On 7/31/2011 19:05, mattias wrote: > anyone tryed it? > > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From mj@mjw.se Mon Aug 1 19:29:24 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB42E75002F for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 19:29:24 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.918 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.918 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.982] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id El2lvWuW6es9 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 19:29:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.mjw.se (host-88-80-29-25.cust.prq.se [88.80.29.25]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82C3575002C for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 19:29:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 3542 invoked by uid 89); 1 Aug 2011 19:27:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mj) (mj@mjw.se@85.226.23.37) by mail.mjw.se with ESMTPA; 1 Aug 2011 19:27:37 -0000 From: "mattias" To: "'Richard'" , Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 19:29:05 +0200 Message-ID: <000601cc5070$86315140$2517e255@mj> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3664 In-Reply-To: <4E36DF47.9080909@yahoo.com> Importance: Normal Subject: Re: [orca-list] centos 6 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 19:29:24 -0000 Yes i run centos on this computer and yes it work But firefox are buggy -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr=E5n: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] F=F6r Richard Skickat: Monday, August 01, 2011 7:16 PM Till: orca-list@gnome.org =C4mne: Re: [orca-list] centos 6 Hi mattias, et al... I don't believe that Orca works well under CentOS6. I believe CentOS6=20 relies on Gnome 2.28 which is no longer supported in Orca. I'm also=20 almost positive that the Anaconda install is not Orca friendly. If=20 CentOS 6 and the other distros that rely on Gnome 2.28 were to upgrade=20 to Gnome 2.30 or 2.32, we'd have some shot. The other distros that rely on CentOS's specific setup are RHEL and Scientific Linux. Also Oracle=20 Linux. I believe that Gnome-Speech is still used, not Speech-Dispatcher. On 7/31/2011 19:05, mattias wrote: > anyone tryed it? > > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From rickfunes@yahoo.com Mon Aug 1 19:48:04 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0698275005B for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 19:48:04 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.795 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.795 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.806, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rQv6tmRpv9AI for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 19:48:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm5-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm5-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.150]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AF7D375002F for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 19:47:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.212.146] by nm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2011 19:47:51 -0000 Received: from [98.139.211.196] by tm3.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2011 19:47:51 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2011 19:47:51 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1312228071; bh=V8/wcMoG/LvlcXW9ePsb8t68rMvic8puJR5rBLALs6o=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=BtMGaBvHmODU+OVdmair1egDwNGd5DGRzLHtVEdCBoKUpr2VLflqKpvRCgX6QmyzWeTVEXRPlTLdoucD6+KTWJ/G0TV/sPizx9CnDq63qhwAPghw3xUIKum4u8uISvuKFA+QCX46yaLYQhz39/1Y4k6DBOlGCx3P7a5YAk5lpys= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 462133.98973.bm@smtp205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: p.949.IVM1nrX5i6K8_8M_D_PtK0Si0IRl4s7ovUxPW6uvk sH9l0KaG4eqMEbOdT_uUEYz2La8ziZNQAk974FYKSc7pKEVMh.BT0an0PbMN xhmbFec0adP5UOS6sFapIPuPjswc3LTvqbPxammiXDU131mdxbIFSpurG_h0 VctPJW0t5x02.5Gap_COCN9uTYU2Dx2hSC70JNqiKQq.USDlw62eTBBT4uFY IvmY0Wljg86tjE4bHp.scDljn67tgbrb2g52cSaCerqg3z9qUiQrDF6.EL6s rcaWLncOoqeXl5EK0fu_ix1lzNxIdU8lxu3Kx9_KJ8O.OWPamz.TEq94EnY1 p0pkRDtQrhunDVQU8wVmYL6x7vZeB3G8Vv5qa3NB.MU6W27PhVJiorYo9F1k NJwA562N2f7XAfNqTizGGWKuJPj1LWShEscJhdkACldb1Vyu5sO_wruIVCyi aYM30toFPwzFG8HG3w7CWmobm X-Yahoo-SMTP: ZchkVoeswBB3Ar.3OdyTafwDf65gRw-- Received: from [192.168.1.100] (rickfunes@76.90.206.87 with plain) by smtp205.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 01 Aug 2011 12:47:51 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <4E3702E4.803@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 12:47:48 -0700 From: Richard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <000601cc5070$86315140$2517e255@mj> In-Reply-To: <000601cc5070$86315140$2517e255@mj> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] centos 6 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 19:48:04 -0000 Hi mattias, How did you get CentOS 6 installed? What version of Orca are you running, the default? if so, try getting the latest that supports Gnome 2.28. Is that what CentOS 6 runs? On 8/1/2011 10:29, mattias wrote: > Yes i run centos on this computer and yes it work > But firefox are buggy > > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Från: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] > För Richard > Skickat: Monday, August 01, 2011 7:16 PM > Till: orca-list@gnome.org > Ämne: Re: [orca-list] centos 6 > > > Hi mattias, et al... > > I don't believe that Orca works well under CentOS6. I believe CentOS6 > relies on Gnome 2.28 which is no longer supported in Orca. I'm also > almost positive that the Anaconda install is not Orca friendly. If > CentOS 6 and the other distros that rely on Gnome 2.28 were to upgrade > to Gnome 2.30 or 2.32, we'd have some shot. The other distros that rely > > on CentOS's specific setup are RHEL and Scientific Linux. Also Oracle > Linux. I believe that Gnome-Speech is still used, not > Speech-Dispatcher. > > On 7/31/2011 19:05, mattias wrote: >> anyone tryed it? >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Netiquette Guidelines are at > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The > manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > From mj@mjw.se Mon Aug 1 19:57:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32F5075005B for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 19:57:29 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.918 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.918 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.982] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LRdkmNT88l8J for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 19:57:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.mjw.se (host-88-80-29-25.cust.prq.se [88.80.29.25]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 590EE75002F for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 19:57:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 4056 invoked by uid 89); 1 Aug 2011 19:55:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?85.226.23.37?) (mj@mjw.se@85.226.23.37) by mail.mjw.se with ESMTPA; 1 Aug 2011 19:55:43 -0000 From: mattias To: orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <4E3702E4.803@yahoo.com> References: <000601cc5070$86315140$2517e255@mj> <4E3702E4.803@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 21:57:13 +0200 Message-ID: <1312228633.2594.0.camel@mj> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.30.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] centos 6 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 19:57:29 -0000 i use dave mielkes rhmkiso from brltty centos 6 uses a older gnome yes i use the default orca On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 12:47 -0700, Richard wrote: > Hi mattias, > > How did you get CentOS 6 installed? What version of Orca are you > running, the default? if so, try getting the latest that supports Gnome > 2.28. Is that what CentOS 6 runs? > > On 8/1/2011 10:29, mattias wrote: > > Yes i run centos on this computer and yes it work > > But firefox are buggy > > > > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > > FrÃ¥n: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] > > För Richard > > Skickat: Monday, August 01, 2011 7:16 PM > > Till: orca-list@gnome.org > > Ämne: Re: [orca-list] centos 6 > > > > > > Hi mattias, et al... > > > > I don't believe that Orca works well under CentOS6. I believe CentOS6 > > relies on Gnome 2.28 which is no longer supported in Orca. I'm also > > almost positive that the Anaconda install is not Orca friendly. If > > CentOS 6 and the other distros that rely on Gnome 2.28 were to upgrade > > to Gnome 2.30 or 2.32, we'd have some shot. The other distros that rely > > > > on CentOS's specific setup are RHEL and Scientific Linux. Also Oracle > > Linux. I believe that Gnome-Speech is still used, not > > Speech-Dispatcher. > > > > On 7/31/2011 19:05, mattias wrote: > >> anyone tryed it? > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> orca-list mailing list > >> orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > >> The manual is at > > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > >> Netiquette Guidelines are at > > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > _______________________________________________ > > orca-list mailing list > > orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The > > manual is at > > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > > Netiquette Guidelines are at > > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From rickfunes@yahoo.com Mon Aug 1 20:03:11 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B14B375002F for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 20:03:11 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.795 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.795 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.806, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id txZNzEkfr4yY for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 20:03:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm25-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm25-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.185]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7979775002C for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 20:02:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.138.90.54] by nm25.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2011 20:02:58 -0000 Received: from [98.138.226.30] by tm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2011 20:02:58 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Aug 2011 20:02:58 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1312228978; bh=HRw1uUJvO69PKUp/QyW6yUNLdEAfTcecUbbW+czztm0=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Gm2847IF+7JwbQLljje1ku4Yop3TGY2iRIPZji8kM3OIbQNDsDg2c8yPmFZKEUTqOecWo3p+fv2BubO235xegIX7JmWXJqwGeYyRqgIRLq4v9jYr3zMvMTPdsjKWJiutfXxZMJpUxrGkrtOhbzhYgmCA3cPxZht9eWGBibr949Y= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 256716.45635.bm@smtp201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: t8_WjrYVM1mUQVpeLKXjaoD9sVDPIYUZqhOT1aXHwiiKCXV aVJ6Avy97JVjzUKwU1g71V3polc3g4ZskAPYtl4HevhvZ0jS.K9K30ZMeE_A Mef34VLnZ.ITK1OecdR6f1QeZ2Z19eZMS1IOXImsbC6KEcJ55OS8o3WXtxfH gjSoVBZru8i5j_Mn0S1gE3wXODUDMLqWp8XplQX_7mjHerwx_HzlpszM61aR _MyJFwI5CpR6D.sQ5Pt.oe7491ty36iYMJvFTiNYmaidqJrlLLT0C4AE96Ao EfJpMt7XdIWY5IiiE093oUQ_imaBWp2AAl_A7wySP7QOwaQCfpsdIauehj3W lUfqJ5iMsxxNvCDM_aiGWZfG9WV5sui_7.gPwS9_7gUiXhhJT3x9gW1UTanX AeOIX0oqnfwojlQeES8g8DF_o X-Yahoo-SMTP: ZchkVoeswBB3Ar.3OdyTafwDf65gRw-- Received: from [192.168.1.100] (rickfunes@76.90.206.87 with plain) by smtp201.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 01 Aug 2011 13:02:57 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <4E370670.3080002@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 13:02:56 -0700 From: Richard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <000601cc5070$86315140$2517e255@mj> <4E3702E4.803@yahoo.com> <1312228633.2594.0.camel@mj> In-Reply-To: <1312228633.2594.0.camel@mj> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] centos 6 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 20:03:11 -0000 Hi mattia, I'll look into the iso you suggested. I may not be able to use it however. BRLTTY doesn't see my display at all. It is a Braille Sense Plus QWERTY with the latest firmware. The only system that might see the display is this machine or my IMac if I reformat it and put Lion on it. On 8/1/2011 12:57, mattias wrote: > i use dave mielkes rhmkiso from brltty > centos 6 uses a older gnome yes > i use the default orca > On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 12:47 -0700, Richard wrote: >> Hi mattias, >> >> How did you get CentOS 6 installed? What version of Orca are you >> running, the default? if so, try getting the latest that supports Gnome >> 2.28. Is that what CentOS 6 runs? >> >> On 8/1/2011 10:29, mattias wrote: >>> Yes i run centos on this computer and yes it work >>> But firefox are buggy >>> >>> -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >>> FrÃ¥n: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] >>> För Richard >>> Skickat: Monday, August 01, 2011 7:16 PM >>> Till: orca-list@gnome.org >>> Ämne: Re: [orca-list] centos 6 >>> >>> >>> Hi mattias, et al... >>> >>> I don't believe that Orca works well under CentOS6. I believe CentOS6 >>> relies on Gnome 2.28 which is no longer supported in Orca. I'm also >>> almost positive that the Anaconda install is not Orca friendly. If >>> CentOS 6 and the other distros that rely on Gnome 2.28 were to upgrade >>> to Gnome 2.30 or 2.32, we'd have some shot. The other distros that rely >>> >>> on CentOS's specific setup are RHEL and Scientific Linux. Also Oracle >>> Linux. I believe that Gnome-Speech is still used, not >>> Speech-Dispatcher. >>> >>> On 7/31/2011 19:05, mattias wrote: >>>> anyone tryed it? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> orca-list mailing list >>>> orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>>> The manual is at >>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>>> Netiquette Guidelines are at >>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The >>> manual is at >>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>> Netiquette Guidelines are at >>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From rickfunes@yahoo.com Mon Aug 1 20:08:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E87A175002F for ; 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01 Aug 2011 13:08:25 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <4E3707B8.9060203@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 13:08:24 -0700 From: Richard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <000601cc5070$86315140$2517e255@mj> <4E3702E4.803@yahoo.com> <1312228633.2594.0.camel@mj> <4E370670.3080002@yahoo.com> <1312229090.2594.1.camel@mj> In-Reply-To: <1312229090.2594.1.camel@mj> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] centos 6 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 20:08:38 -0000 Hi mattias, I'll look into the image. Can you give me information on what display you have and what if any issues you have with it and CentOS 6? Also, I'd advise you look into Scientific Linux 6.1 since CentOS 6 is old. On 8/1/2011 13:04, mattias wrote: > have you created a iso from the script? or downloaded a prebuilt image? > On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 13:02 -0700, Richard wrote: >> Hi mattia, >> >> I'll look into the iso you suggested. I may not be able to use it >> however. BRLTTY doesn't see my display at all. It is a Braille Sense >> Plus QWERTY with the latest firmware. The only system that might see >> the display is this machine or my IMac if I reformat it and put Lion on it. >> >> On 8/1/2011 12:57, mattias wrote: >>> i use dave mielkes rhmkiso from brltty >>> centos 6 uses a older gnome yes >>> i use the default orca >>> On Mon, 2011-08-01 at 12:47 -0700, Richard wrote: >>>> Hi mattias, >>>> >>>> How did you get CentOS 6 installed? What version of Orca are you >>>> running, the default? if so, try getting the latest that supports Gnome >>>> 2.28. Is that what CentOS 6 runs? >>>> >>>> On 8/1/2011 10:29, mattias wrote: >>>>> Yes i run centos on this computer and yes it work >>>>> But firefox are buggy >>>>> >>>>> -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >>>>> FrÃ¥n: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] >>>>> För Richard >>>>> Skickat: Monday, August 01, 2011 7:16 PM >>>>> Till: orca-list@gnome.org >>>>> Ämne: Re: [orca-list] centos 6 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi mattias, et al... >>>>> >>>>> I don't believe that Orca works well under CentOS6. I believe CentOS6 >>>>> relies on Gnome 2.28 which is no longer supported in Orca. I'm also >>>>> almost positive that the Anaconda install is not Orca friendly. If >>>>> CentOS 6 and the other distros that rely on Gnome 2.28 were to upgrade >>>>> to Gnome 2.30 or 2.32, we'd have some shot. The other distros that rely >>>>> >>>>> on CentOS's specific setup are RHEL and Scientific Linux. Also Oracle >>>>> Linux. I believe that Gnome-Speech is still used, not >>>>> Speech-Dispatcher. >>>>> >>>>> On 7/31/2011 19:05, mattias wrote: >>>>>> anyone tryed it? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>>>>> The manual is at >>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>>>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>>>>> Netiquette Guidelines are at >>>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>>>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>> orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The >>>>> manual is at >>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>>>> Netiquette Guidelines are at >>>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> orca-list mailing list >>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>>> The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>>> Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>> The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>> Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > > From mj@mjw.se Mon Aug 1 20:30:25 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A71697500B5 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 20:30:25 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.917 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.917 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.982, TO_NO_BRKTS_DYNIP=0.001] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qlIK1XAz9ROT for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 20:30:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.mjw.se (host-88-80-29-25.cust.prq.se [88.80.29.25]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E24D875002C for ; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 20:30:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 4726 invoked by uid 89); 1 Aug 2011 20:28:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?85.226.23.37?) (mj@mjw.se@85.226.23.37) by mail.mjw.se with ESMTPA; 1 Aug 2011 20:28:39 -0000 From: mattias To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 22:30:09 +0200 Message-ID: <1312230609.3517.2.camel@mj> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.30.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] empathy X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 20:30:25 -0000 how to see status of a contact in empathy? From erenuka@gmail.com Tue Aug 2 06:14:35 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D3657502B8 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2011 06:14:35 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8HqaOGFk2dsf for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2011 06:14:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9BF975026F for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2011 06:14:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyg24 with SMTP id 24so3143775wyg.27 for ; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 23:14:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Fdos81ZO6qRBx/QrENgpYxVfUjZAEMipzvAugiYbBFs=; b=pErtvgulPkUs7eQ2ADbOmB9OCnKIMApNOsQe/lHdjEEORLyiFKLBlCNJKtCUZEc5+C OOSCYgvsEmi5OghYcuPeXMuN0s1Qs4LTceNQxxpsL3YbFP0g1+t0nrCa+iUlzXqIbRdm kAs3jR40mz8IUgHdBt+qZ17Z0a/HgfSfJKCxw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.229.222 with SMTP id h72mr1451107weq.34.1312265663280; Mon, 01 Aug 2011 23:14:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.13.132 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Aug 2011 23:14:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 11:44:23 +0530 Message-ID: From: Renuka Warriar To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: [orca-list] strange problem while surfing the internet. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 06:14:35 -0000 Hi all, While serching for a specific subject in the google, I encounter a strange problem. I.e., sometimes,the ORCA speaks in a different language such as Spanish, though the person in the orca preferences is set to default, and the system has to be restarted and the person in the orca preferences has to be set in the default again for solving the problem. Any method to permenently solve this problem? Renuka. From steve.holmes88@gmail.com Tue Aug 2 10:22:20 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A9C27500DC for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2011 10:22:20 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TP2SgPl-QjMb for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2011 10:22:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pz0-f44.google.com (mail-pz0-f44.google.com [209.85.210.44]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D74175027C for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2011 10:22:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk5 with SMTP id 5so14590171pzk.3 for ; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 03:22:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:user-agent; bh=Rr59uMP0ATFFKVRX8QDtkhEK2/eFXT/aNcMQ4idPGUA=; b=LZOTL42DHKfSm8bz9L3+2IyMffSbFeE26aZqhzBnj1c3Uw7m/AZmmDmCsckUUglW8/ /RePOXiAMBrSGhoxZX3JZ3eq2THDb9RRsbPXbGkZau1L2CH6Tab5dsDCKf6g9PXAs6zG bG4LNs8hs9SKJNHzIX6MESn7U02QPD/As4ygQ= Received: by 10.68.40.169 with SMTP id y9mr1380419pbk.418.1312280528564; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 03:22:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from linlap.wavecable.com (76-14-154-236.rk.wavecable.com [76.14.154.236]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o6sm2129914pbj.66.2011.08.02.03.22.07 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 02 Aug 2011 03:22:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 03:22:00 -0700 From: Steve Holmes To: Orca E-mail List Message-ID: <20110802102200.GA6986@linlap.wavecable.com> Mail-Followup-To: Orca E-mail List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: [orca-list] Reading Line by Line in Firefox X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 10:22:20 -0000 Allow me to describe the situation here and I wonder if others are experiencing anything similar. 1. Go to one or more pages with Firefox 5 and generally knock around in there, surfing from one page to another. 2. At some point, pressing up and down arrows go silent but arrowing left or right will still speak a character at a time. Also, other structural navigation keys go silent too. The only fix for me is to restart Orca. As soon as Orca restarts, all proper navigation works again. I've had this happen several times in a given gnome session. I'm using recent git pull of Orca Master and gnome 3 plus Firefox 5 from Arch Linux Repos. Can anyone else duplicate these problems? From chmiel@deep.cz Tue Aug 2 10:49:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 753C8750096 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2011 10:49:59 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tgY24UVuu9Uy for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2011 10:49:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-out3.iol.cz (smtp-out3.iol.cz [194.228.2.91]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB84575000A for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2011 10:49:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from antivir5.iol.cz (unknown [192.168.30.212]) by smtp-out3.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1BEDBCA11F for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2011 10:49:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (antivir5.iol.cz [127.0.0.1]) by antivir5.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2D571E8031 for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2011 12:49:44 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at iol.cz Received: from antivir5.iol.cz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (antivir5.iol.cz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10224) with LMTP id 5SCBGdg7wFzK for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2011 12:49:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: from port9.iol.cz (unknown [192.168.30.99]) by antivir5.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D7321E805E for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2011 12:49:44 +0200 (CEST) X-SBRS: None X-SBRS-none: None X-RECVLIST: MTA-OUT-IOL X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgYLAMfVN05asFO7/2dsb2JhbAAMNoVApFkBAQEDAQEBNTYKESwWDwkDAgECARUGKgYNBgICh2zBIYZCBJJ7iWyGeg Received: from 187.83.broadband9.iol.cz (HELO [10.0.0.2]) ([90.176.83.187]) by port9.iol.cz with ESMTP; 02 Aug 2011 12:49:44 +0200 Message-ID: <4E37D641.2010309@deep.cz> Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 12:49:37 +0200 From: "Mgr. Janusz Chmiel" Organization: Prodeep o.s User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110706 Firefox/5.0 SeaMonkey/2.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Orca E-mail List References: <20110802102200.GA6986@linlap.wavecable.com> In-Reply-To: <20110802102200.GA6986@linlap.wavecable.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Does somebody have an ARChlinux live CD remaster with Orca functioning? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 10:49:59 -0000 Steve Holmes napsal(a): > Allow me to describe the situation here and I wonder if others are > experiencing anything similar. > > 1. Go to one or more pages with Firefox 5 and generally knock around > in there, surfing from one page to another. > > 2. At some point, pressing up and down arrows go silent but arrowing > left or right will still speak a character at a time. Also, other > structural navigation keys go silent too. > > The only fix for me is to restart Orca. As soon as Orca restarts, all > proper navigation works again. I've had this happen several times in > a given gnome session. I'm using recent git pull of Orca Master and > gnome 3 plus Firefox 5 from Arch Linux Repos. > > Can anyone else duplicate these problems? > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > Dear users, Does somebody of us know or even have awailable The Archlinux distribution, Live distribution with Orca preloaded and fully functioning? Or nobody know about some Archlinux Live CD remaster with Orca functioning? If no, would somebody oy of us atleast provide some instructions how to setup Archlinux to be usable with Gnome and Orca? Thank You very much. -- Mgr. Janusz Chmiel From chaltain@gmail.com Tue Aug 2 21:53:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78AED7501FC for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2011 21:53:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R+n77+r08+Kn for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2011 21:53:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yi0-f54.google.com (mail-yi0-f54.google.com [209.85.218.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8408375008A for ; Tue, 2 Aug 2011 21:53:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yic13 with SMTP id 13so218428yic.27 for ; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 14:53:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=EMWxI58HbUALgE6aiOPgZDPEjzIImvPNNDns4A8Ggt8=; b=Rb7rFT377GdwzRJtGg82qVorYU9njvU2FGcu0Iyt9GnLnOnF6XOh0NrZJn0ljYS8Au 3+XPuD2o6IwYicoIhfTXBA8WMQwUASBR8as4O9WBhIZGnvVmZxDiuIcZ94c7dtSdTn68 qazgEoqo6tgE7DHb/SWjnHqjbw6jWpCE4KcWs= Received: by 10.101.168.5 with SMTP id v5mr4491025ano.14.1312322015470; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 14:53:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.113] (cpe-173-174-56-115.austin.res.rr.com [173.174.56.115]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c18sm150422anp.7.2011.08.02.14.53.34 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 02 Aug 2011 14:53:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E3871DE.6000701@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 16:53:34 -0500 From: Christopher Chaltain User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110617 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Orca E-mail List References: <20110802102200.GA6986@linlap.wavecable.com> In-Reply-To: <20110802102200.GA6986@linlap.wavecable.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Reading Line by Line in Firefox X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 21:53:48 -0000 I've seen this as well. I'm running Ubuntu 10.10 (Vinux 3.1) 64-bit with Orca 3.1.3 and Firefox 5. I don't see it all of the time, and I don't see it on every web page, but I've definitely seen it multiple times. If I had to guess, it happens on more complicated web pages, like GMail, Google Voice, ..., and when I'm jumping around quite a bit. On 02/08/11 05:22, Steve Holmes wrote: > Allow me to describe the situation here and I wonder if others are > experiencing anything similar. > > 1. Go to one or more pages with Firefox 5 and generally knock around > in there, surfing from one page to another. > > 2. At some point, pressing up and down arrows go silent but arrowing > left or right will still speak a character at a time. Also, other > structural navigation keys go silent too. > > The only fix for me is to restart Orca. As soon as Orca restarts, all > proper navigation works again. I've had this happen several times in > a given gnome session. I'm using recent git pull of Orca Master and > gnome 3 plus Firefox 5 from Arch Linux Repos. > > Can anyone else duplicate these problems? > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain@gmail.com From vincent.legoff.srs@gmail.com Wed Aug 3 09:11:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BA517500AF for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 09:11:59 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FmKE198fgaPB for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 09:11:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09EB1750070 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 09:11:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iyb11 with SMTP id 11so1348295iyb.27 for ; Wed, 03 Aug 2011 02:11:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=uYA3aKkBPTkYvqLP5/kb+Hi6TsaOf3LtJPtgR8P014o=; b=OydgS8voHHXXYcoJdzVQmT+oNxWznsQCUaA8XilIbhIlffS0s+cbaW5utTxUr9g+od Audz0zTphrvlwCQ/dDzEnmUnwqOB2Uz7gKFktM9Jk2Kr6MBoZEhWKai/hEO5cqEUBdeH fppZoarcfDgYtFbvZXCXFjXxpyz9eZNm3qLE4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.149.134 with SMTP id w6mr539656icv.453.1312362707391; Wed, 03 Aug 2011 02:11:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.43.133.72 with HTTP; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 02:11:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 11:11:47 +0200 Message-ID: From: Vincent Le Goff To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: [orca-list] Upgrading Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 09:11:59 -0000 Hi everyone, I'm running a Ubuntu 10.10 session with Gnome 2. My Orca version is 2.32.0. I just saw that this version is not really up to date... not at all would be a better way to put it. This would be great to update this Orca version. But I read that I needed Gnome 3 in order to run the last Orca versions. Well, maybe I'm wrong. I'm a pretty new user on Linux and I still miss a lot of stuffs. My question is : do I need to have Gnome 3 for running the latest version of Orca ? Do I need to upgrade my actual Ubuntu version to 11.04 in order to have Gnome 3 installed ? And how could I, as simply as could be, do these things ? Thanks for your answers. Please excuse my English, still making a lot of mistakes! Vincent From deedra@the-brannons.com Wed Aug 3 10:59:07 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11312750086 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 10:59:07 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v7SVYlGJlMWp for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 10:59:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hurricane.the-brannons.com (cbrannon.xen.prgmr.com [64.62.188.119]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54EBE75006A for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 10:58:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2001:0:53aa:64c:10e2:2bb4:9c4e:ff4] (unknown [IPv6:2001:0:53aa:64c:10e2:2bb4:9c4e:ff4]) by hurricane.the-brannons.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6DBF273B99 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 06:01:06 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4E3929F1.5010706@the-brannons.com> Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 05:58:57 -0500 From: Deedra Waters User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110628 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] copy/cut/paste X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 10:59:07 -0000 Orca doesn't announce when you do any of these functions, it just says when you hit the control+blah wouldn't it be better if it sayscut or copy or paste etc? fyi, i'm using orca 3.0.4 so if this is in the new version, i apologize;p From texou@actux.eu.org Wed Aug 3 12:12:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E4FF7500AF for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 12:12:10 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.616 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.616 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.716] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GK+JKtQy4eFc for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 12:12:07 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 368 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at menubar.gnome.org; Wed, 03 Aug 2011 12:12:07 UTC Received: from mail.actux.eu.org (actux.eu.org [86.65.39.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BAFE750086 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 12:11:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.0.1] (pat35-5-78-226-56-130.fbx.proxad.net [78.226.56.130]) by mail.actux.eu.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DEB744E635; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 12:05:47 +0000 (UTC) From: Jean-Philippe MENGUAL To: Vincent Le Goff In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 14:05:45 +0200 Message-Id: <1312373145.3049.15.camel@maison> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Upgrading Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 12:12:10 -0000 Hi, If I take the Debian's experience, I'd say that upgrading until orca 3.0.4 is possible with gnome2. Orca 3.1 and newer seem in test, with gnome3, and especially with at-spi2 which is not yet really stable. I know someone who, on Debian 6.0, could install orca 3.0.4 (it's not the default, but he managed to get this with some individual work), which works with gnome2 and at-spi1. I don't think going beyond is a good idea at this time. Anyway, all that isn't so easy due to the packaging issues, you should do that carefully and ask help in the distro in order to do such upgrades. Regards, Le mercredi 03 août 2011 à 11:11 +0200, Vincent Le Goff a écrit : > Hi everyone, > > I'm running a Ubuntu 10.10 session with Gnome 2. My Orca version is > 2.32.0. I just saw that this version is not really up to date... not > at all would be a better way to put it. > > This would be great to update this Orca version. But I read that I > needed Gnome 3 in order to run the last Orca versions. > > Well, maybe I'm wrong. I'm a pretty new user on Linux and I still miss > a lot of stuffs. > > My question is : do I need to have Gnome 3 for running the latest > version of Orca ? Do I need to upgrade my actual Ubuntu version to > 11.04 in order to have Gnome 3 installed ? And how could I, as simply > as could be, do these things ? > > Thanks for your answers. Please excuse my English, still making a lot > of mistakes! > > Vincent > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From steve.holmes88@gmail.com Wed Aug 3 12:31:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5629750200 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 12:31:28 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.661 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.661 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FREEMAIL_REPLY=1.929, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id phgGpOvdTlLj for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 12:31:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pz0-f53.google.com (mail-pz0-f53.google.com [209.85.210.53]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CB207500AF for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 12:31:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk6 with SMTP id 6so1579443pzk.26 for ; Wed, 03 Aug 2011 05:31:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; bh=UygYZ4saAeqVkX/qRrt5wqnc/QYpOIlGag4UA2rIY5U=; b=wZjB8sE3PNW08HpzdLvmGZWls/611N/cFjQFkyLopuMXyVwfYIfBSYvukgbyWIeE0U YlBb4bOAPLmt8kcgQYeeOkt9fwH6Lab+PFnaw7Kzqzpt/pnyUtsbaAi0o1bUTSFioSOQ cLODI2Niv0J3a73dIB1BZ8nWIW92kQGFP1DCA= Received: by 10.142.224.15 with SMTP id w15mr4646195wfg.159.1312374677051; Wed, 03 Aug 2011 05:31:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from linlap.wavecable.com (76-14-154-236.rk.wavecable.com [76.14.154.236]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n2sm188677wfd.23.2011.08.03.05.31.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 03 Aug 2011 05:31:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 05:31:08 -0700 From: Steve Holmes To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110803123108.GB21755@linlap.wavecable.com> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20110802102200.GA6986@linlap.wavecable.com> <4E3871DE.6000701@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4E3871DE.6000701@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Reading Line by Line in Firefox X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 12:31:29 -0000 Yeah, that's my observation exactly. It starts out good and then later I get the originally reported behavior. The interesting part to me is that restarting orca fixes it every time. On Tue, Aug 02, 2011 at 04:53:34PM -0500, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > I've seen this as well. I'm running Ubuntu 10.10 (Vinux 3.1) 64-bit with > Orca 3.1.3 and Firefox 5. I don't see it all of the time, and I don't > see it on every web page, but I've definitely seen it multiple times. If > I had to guess, it happens on more complicated web pages, like GMail, > Google Voice, ..., and when I'm jumping around quite a bit. > > On 02/08/11 05:22, Steve Holmes wrote: > > Allow me to describe the situation here and I wonder if others are > > experiencing anything similar. > > > > 1. Go to one or more pages with Firefox 5 and generally knock around > > in there, surfing from one page to another. > > > > 2. At some point, pressing up and down arrows go silent but arrowing > > left or right will still speak a character at a time. Also, other > > structural navigation keys go silent too. > > > > The only fix for me is to restart Orca. As soon as Orca restarts, all > > proper navigation works again. I've had this happen several times in > > a given gnome session. I'm using recent git pull of Orca Master and > > gnome 3 plus Firefox 5 from Arch Linux Repos. > > > > Can anyone else duplicate these problems? > > _______________________________________________ > > orca-list mailing list > > orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > > -- > Christopher (CJ) > chaltain@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From steve.holmes88@gmail.com Wed Aug 3 12:39:49 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 775EA750202 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 12:39:49 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.59 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.59 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N4NAZl226qA5 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 12:39:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pz0-f41.google.com (mail-pz0-f41.google.com [209.85.210.41]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D653A7500AF for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 12:39:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk4 with SMTP id 4so1649555pzk.0 for ; Wed, 03 Aug 2011 05:39:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; bh=PhreRr/6dfOTDn0KgoIfBmWrWZMBqwbzEv4beOKlKaI=; b=A+o3KAWEwEWh5nev3j/e7+l7Z3Tq8Qc2GEcxzY21/uqifq4bBhA+fDFo3eYrxOhFb0 uZCYgKtoN57UzFCi02cEUPxRHY5P2IJhvn1g40L3D5k+7g3hdo2Ec2fcUXp6RM4zKe6T cuGqaUZjqHUXyK83WPoqz05nq5EyDPunFngQc= Received: by 10.142.213.17 with SMTP id l17mr4618439wfg.206.1312375177173; Wed, 03 Aug 2011 05:39:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from linlap.wavecable.com (76-14-154-236.rk.wavecable.com [76.14.154.236]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p12sm512505wfh.12.2011.08.03.05.39.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 03 Aug 2011 05:39:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 05:39:28 -0700 From: Steve Holmes To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110803123928.GC21755@linlap.wavecable.com> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4E3929F1.5010706@the-brannons.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4E3929F1.5010706@the-brannons.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] copy/cut/paste X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 12:39:49 -0000 I recall a similar discussion about the notification of cut/paste operations with a windows screen reader and it really amounted to being merely the echoing of the keystroke being pressed; the screen reader could not actually tel if the said operation was successful or not. I think Orca would face the same restrictions. Short of echoing every control key operation, one could probably add a limitted key echo for these specific keys and speak meaningful labels rather than the generic keystroke. On Wed, Aug 03, 2011 at 05:58:57AM -0500, Deedra Waters wrote: > Orca doesn't announce when you do any of these functions, it just > says when you hit the control+blah wouldn't it be better if it > sayscut or copy or paste etc? > > fyi, i'm using orca 3.0.4 so if this is in the new version, i apologize;p > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From chaltain@gmail.com Wed Aug 3 12:51:37 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50B517500AF for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 12:51:37 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9XMlIfvlrkWl for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 12:51:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53F7B750086 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 12:51:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyf3 with SMTP id 3so658210gyf.27 for ; Wed, 03 Aug 2011 05:51:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=6ywcz595W3Getgh9nmIykIy46OQgBaelBbEVJDnX+ao=; b=v/iIbMMo2sbAjw+2/qsHRL3ETdOiZdqgFJAte56u8xblKLTjbEWOG5yTCFRmXhX9hJ PQ9KiuHiFjHcG484tBge3wHWpnsLTFfBUb6UwMKtlS10kEWh/3gy4p8lfxSmWkOcbdN0 Q4m/IyrM/bamdCUChFgU/31+PFZm2VVsUAAiA= Received: by 10.101.176.21 with SMTP id d21mr4449690anp.143.1312375884255; Wed, 03 Aug 2011 05:51:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.113] (cpe-173-174-56-115.austin.res.rr.com [173.174.56.115]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j16sm626631ank.23.2011.08.03.05.51.22 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 03 Aug 2011 05:51:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E394448.8060707@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 07:51:20 -0500 From: Christopher Chaltain User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110617 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4E3929F1.5010706@the-brannons.com> <20110803123928.GC21755@linlap.wavecable.com> In-Reply-To: <20110803123928.GC21755@linlap.wavecable.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] copy/cut/paste X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 12:51:37 -0000 I don't know if it's a Vinux unique key, but for me Orca+r tells me what's in the clipboard, so if after cutting some text, I'm not sure it was successful or not, I just use Orca+r to double check. I thought there was a discussion on this list earlier about adding this to Orca, and which key binding to use, but I may be getting my topics mixed up. On 03/08/11 07:39, Steve Holmes wrote: > I recall a similar discussion about the notification of cut/paste > operations with a windows screen reader and it really amounted to > being merely the echoing of the keystroke being pressed; the screen > reader could not actually tel if the said operation was successful or > not. I think Orca would face the same restrictions. Short of echoing > every control key operation, one could probably add a limitted key > echo for these specific keys and speak meaningful labels rather than > the generic keystroke. > > On Wed, Aug 03, 2011 at 05:58:57AM -0500, Deedra Waters wrote: >> Orca doesn't announce when you do any of these functions, it just >> says when you hit the control+blah wouldn't it be better if it >> sayscut or copy or paste etc? >> >> fyi, i'm using orca 3.0.4 so if this is in the new version, i apologize;p >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain@gmail.com From chaltain@gmail.com Wed Aug 3 12:56:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 585DD750081 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 12:56:17 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3FDxUA93YDhv for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 12:56:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 469C0750086 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 12:56:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywm39 with SMTP id 39so653284ywm.27 for ; Wed, 03 Aug 2011 05:56:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=nQWtFYh8mrlwBsJz32GcQ1IYMahaRjTtJos7W4sodDA=; b=rEAREhnZOLIjwNz4JjUep3NZCJkwlRM+7EpcYcW11GAuc5/x0PLrtPL6a3cj6s3Pco 0OvI/hbKG1i2NkHtif+aSZsDpdAaei40yYU2yqMZkVYzLwsDg0QBk5iw7ZjeNjDZn4Jl 0E5lx0KaBhiz3e4B0aNk/+Wx0NZKaU2FjEQV8= Received: by 10.91.47.25 with SMTP id z25mr2896529agj.150.1312376163134; Wed, 03 Aug 2011 05:56:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.113] (cpe-173-174-56-115.austin.res.rr.com [173.174.56.115]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c13sm627213ank.34.2011.08.03.05.56.02 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 03 Aug 2011 05:56:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E394561.1070604@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 07:56:01 -0500 From: Christopher Chaltain User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110617 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Upgrading Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 12:56:17 -0000 I'm also running Ubuntu 10.10 with Gnome 2, but I've upgraded Orca to Orca 3.1.4. I think it's officially called Orca 3.1.4 xDesktop. I'm actually running Vinux 3.1, and I upgraded Orca by enabling the Vinux test repository and upgrading Orca. On 03/08/11 04:11, Vincent Le Goff wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I'm running a Ubuntu 10.10 session with Gnome 2. My Orca version is > 2.32.0. I just saw that this version is not really up to date... not > at all would be a better way to put it. > > This would be great to update this Orca version. But I read that I > needed Gnome 3 in order to run the last Orca versions. > > Well, maybe I'm wrong. I'm a pretty new user on Linux and I still miss > a lot of stuffs. > > My question is : do I need to have Gnome 3 for running the latest > version of Orca ? Do I need to upgrade my actual Ubuntu version to > 11.04 in order to have Gnome 3 installed ? And how could I, as simply > as could be, do these things ? > > Thanks for your answers. Please excuse my English, still making a lot > of mistakes! > > Vincent > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain@gmail.com From webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl Wed Aug 3 14:25:40 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A33FD75010F for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 14:25:40 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.717 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.717 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.716, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bQl4RZqVh1ut for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 14:25:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpo05.poczta.onet.pl (smtpo05.poczta.onet.pl [213.180.142.136]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 424D1750006 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 14:25:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [193.200.46.16] (unknown [193.200.46.16]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl) by smtp.poczta.onet.pl (Onet) with ESMTPSA id 719C52010574E for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 16:25:24 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=poczta.onet.pl; s=2011; t=1312381526; bh=3euDdK94FlNBtWZxT+SvGHyTt+0pCZCK6zPzY5pJGhU=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=BKRbUebPimaSWelm0qOqyQA2iUeRpFNAIPWZ4+BrMWVobHUiVqTemLIUns9zQmBIH 4Q8gDY1o4VUmlTV6Eq21FpvtsqfDNv4sdhWVTeayRexojPrIn4t8VpZFtJSJvrOjg3 SI/CALiA5kHJjb9BZInBsC6pcF7K92Wf63mxJ+LE= Message-ID: <4E395A52.5020201@poczta.onet.pl> Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 16:25:22 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?TWljaGHFgiBaZWdhbg==?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110617 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] copy/paste from a terminal X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 14:25:40 -0000 Hey. How to select and/or copy the output text of a terminal? I need it usually to copy and paste hashes of passwords for the irc server that are generated by the console program. From chaltain@gmail.com Wed Aug 3 16:08:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE8D17500F9 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 16:08:23 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IDlaHWms6j+k for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 16:08:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1B3B7500CC for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 16:08:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyf3 with SMTP id 3so879372gyf.27 for ; Wed, 03 Aug 2011 09:08:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=OicbrLLwmZr4W2LtxON1PvLykyPYRwOdTIRK1JI8v9w=; b=mStUaqc5rQENQPJRykgbMlNm/Aix6W4uIuDqVg7CCvMiv24m9D/IhdUhLGmgEJq2Az TLNWC0ms9xcbHmd6ktJcc0HztsbV0mwyx/8xPrKfisIwmU5CF7y6YO7wten14q0F1DBL Uxb24z82/Jp2BvtILDmMFGzKFIplVTI+ljrmM= Received: by 10.101.47.1 with SMTP id z1mr1142787anj.135.1312387686647; Wed, 03 Aug 2011 09:08:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.113] (cpe-173-174-56-115.austin.res.rr.com [173.174.56.115]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v20sm746438ani.15.2011.08.03.09.08.05 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 03 Aug 2011 09:08:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E397265.9030100@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 11:08:05 -0500 From: Christopher Chaltain User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110617 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4E395A52.5020201@poczta.onet.pl> In-Reply-To: <4E395A52.5020201@poczta.onet.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] copy/paste from a terminal X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 16:08:24 -0000 If you're talking about the Gnome terminal, you can use F10 to go into the menu bar and Edit -> Select all to highlight everything in the terminal session and then either Edit -> Copy or control+shift+c to copy everything into the clipboard. You could then paste everything into something like gedit and then just grab the text you're looking for. There may be an easier way to get just the text you're looking for, maybe from Orca's flat review, but if not, this will get you what you need. On 03/08/11 09:25, MichaÅ‚ Zegan wrote: > Hey. > How to select and/or copy the output text of a terminal? > I need it usually to copy and paste hashes of passwords for the irc > server that are generated by the console program. > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain@gmail.com From deedra@the-brannons.com Wed Aug 3 16:13:30 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC8797500F9 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 16:13:29 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kIbXEouXI-pm for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 16:13:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hurricane.the-brannons.com (cbrannon.xen.prgmr.com [64.62.188.119]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54A337500CC for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 16:13:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2001:0:53aa:64c:10e2:2bb4:9c4e:ff4] (unknown [IPv6:2001:0:53aa:64c:10e2:2bb4:9c4e:ff4]) by hurricane.the-brannons.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AF4FA73B99 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 11:15:28 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4E39739F.2040207@the-brannons.com> Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 11:13:19 -0500 From: Deedra Waters User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110628 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20110803122215.GA21755@linlap.wavecable.com> In-Reply-To: <20110803122215.GA21755@linlap.wavecable.com> X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <20110803122215.GA21755@linlap.wavecable.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Fwd: Re: Reading Line by Line in Firefox X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 16:13:30 -0000 Forgot that replies go to poster not list... -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [orca-list] Reading Line by Line in Firefox Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 05:22:15 -0700 From: Steve Holmes To: Deedra Waters Could you post this reply to the list? I want the whole list to see any replies to this. We might get more attention paid to this if we keep it on list. thanks. Note, the reply-to defaults to the original poster - not the list. On Tue, Aug 02, 2011 at 06:29:44AM -0500, Deedra Waters wrote: > I think i've seen something similar but i'm not quite positive. What > I have noticed is that reading in firefox and thunderbird both > randomly go silent and i have to restart orca. Sometimes it goes as > far as having to restart ifrefox, but that's rare. > > I'm using orca/gnome3/firefox/thunderbird all from arch's repos. > > On 08/02/2011 05:22 AM, Steve Holmes wrote: > >Allow me to describe the situation here and I wonder if others are > >experiencing anything similar. > >' > >1. Go to one or more pages with Firefox 5 and generally knock around > >in there, surfing from one page to another. > > > >2. At some point, pressing up and down arrows go silent but arrowing > >left or right will still speak a character at a time. Also, other > >structural navigation keys go silent too. > > > >The only fix for me is to restart Orca. As soon as Orca restarts, all > >proper navigation works again. I've had this happen several times in > >a given gnome session. I'm using recent git pull of Orca Master and > >gnome 3 plus Firefox 5 from Arch Linux Repos. > > > >Can anyone else duplicate these problems? > >_______________________________________________ > >orca-list mailing list > >orca-list@gnome.org > >http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > >The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > >The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > >Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > >Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > >Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > From albert.e.sten_clanton@verizon.net Wed Aug 3 17:07:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 888E77500F9 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 17:07:28 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.009 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.716, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_WS_SURBL=1.608] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ciq-Jd8D3NLl for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 17:07:26 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 3628 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at menubar.gnome.org; Wed, 03 Aug 2011 17:07:26 UTC Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACAA87500CC for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 17:07:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.5.100] ([unknown] [96.233.31.218]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0LPD009EB0QP60C0@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 03 Aug 2011 11:06:26 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <4E397200.90800@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 12:06:24 -0400 From: Al Sten-Clanton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Orca and Live Journal X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 17:07:28 -0000 Does anybody on this list have a Live Journal account (www.livejournal.com)? If so, have you experienced the problem I'm about to describe and maybe even solved it? The problem is this. When I'm on my "friends page" in LJ, recent versions of Orca will not read the usernames of the friends' entries if I arrow down or use the continuous reading feature. I can read the username character by character, but that is all. In fact, if I'm reading continuously, Orca will just stop at the username for the next entry and I'll have to arrow sideways to get the username and then arrow down to read the entry. There does not seem to be a problem reading the texts of the entries themselves, including usernames in them. It is only at the top of the entry, when you're supposed to find out who's it is. This problem seems to have begun with the 2.9 Orca versions. Right now, I'm using version 3.1.3-xdesktop with Vinux. One weird aspect of this is that today I copied an entry into the clipboard (indeed, apparently a lot more than that) and Orca *did* read the username when I used Orca key + r to read what was in the clipboard. However, I doubt this is a useful way to read LJ, since commenting to entries would be quite a pain, I'd think. I wish I could just point to my "friends page" so that anybody who knows something could check this out, but this stuff is of course protected. Thanks in advance for any help with this. Al From mj@mjw.se Wed Aug 3 17:59:54 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEB9475012C for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 17:59:53 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Spam-Score: 3.001 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=3.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_MOSTLY=0.428, MPART_ALT_DIFF=0.79, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.982] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CeU8Fy6gucAE for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 17:59:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mjw.se (host-88-80-29-25.cust.prq.se [88.80.29.25]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 45A137500CC for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 17:59:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mj ([85.226.22.164]) by mjw.se ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 19:58:13 +0200 From: "mattias" To: Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 19:59:41 +0200 Message-ID: <001101cc5207$1e980630$a416e255@mj> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01CC5217.E220D630" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3664 Importance: Normal Subject: [orca-list] my last test X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 17:59:54 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01CC5217.E220D630 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01CC5217.E220D630 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Meddelande
 
------=_NextPart_000_0012_01CC5217.E220D630-- From chmiel@deep.cz Wed Aug 3 18:12:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 376437500CC for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 18:12:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id snhQ4dlrUAFh for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 18:12:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-out4.iol.cz (smtp-out4.iol.cz [194.228.2.92]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E35CB7501B8 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 18:12:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from antivir6.iol.cz (unknown [192.168.30.215]) by smtp-out4.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 250DF5980D3 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 18:09:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (antivir6.iol.cz [127.0.0.1]) by antivir6.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08BA3720062 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 20:09:28 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at iol.cz Received: from antivir6.iol.cz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (antivir6.iol.cz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10224) with LMTP id ZlpcV8Sevmfv for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 20:09:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from port1.iol.cz (unknown [192.168.30.91]) by antivir6.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF835720036 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 20:09:27 +0200 (CEST) X-SBRS: None X-SBRS-none: None X-RECVLIST: MTA-OUT-IOL X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AggQAHyNOU5asFO7/2dsb2JhbAAMN4VAkwqSDEA9FhgDAgECARscASAIAhfIaoZCBJJ7kGY Received: from 187.83.broadband9.iol.cz (HELO [10.0.0.2]) ([90.176.83.187]) by port1.iol.cz with ESMTP; 03 Aug 2011 20:09:27 +0200 Message-ID: <4E398ECF.2000309@deep.cz> Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 20:09:19 +0200 From: "Mgr. Janusz Chmiel" Organization: Prodeep o.s User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110706 Firefox/5.0 SeaMonkey/2.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] I AM recommending You The SeaMonkey application as amail client and WEB browser X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 18:12:58 -0000 Dear users and developers of Orca, I ave found out, that SeaMonkey is ammazinly accessible GTK based application. Te perfect is, that this application can be used as a WEB browser, poverful HTML editor and WEB browser. The browser is fully compatible with The Gecko rendering engine. I have tested it with Orca and this application is working ammazingly. Useful hodkeys can be used to recall The Mail client, HTML editor or WEB browser. Eventhough SeaMonkey is using older release of Gecko engine, than The version included in Firefox version 5.0, i have found out, that this older Gecko engine can be used for displaing many kind of Web pages. Seamonkey latest awailable version is very fast and there is also Windows version of this program. Orca structural navigation keys are working perfectly while using WEB browser included in SeaMonkey. So if somebody of us is searching for reliable Internet communication solution, I AM strongly recommend You The SeaMonkey program. It is very stable and fast and every sub task will run in The one process memory area. So You do not have to run several binary modules for working with Yours E-mail folders, for editing HTML content ETC. HTML editor is very accessible and visually impaired users can make their own WEB pages. -- Mgr. Janusz Chmiel From chmiel@deep.cz Wed Aug 3 18:26:35 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 830DF750129 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 18:26:35 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09-Ap0FWkU6O for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 18:26:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-out3.iol.cz (smtp-out3.iol.cz [194.228.2.91]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1921275012C for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 18:26:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from antivir5.iol.cz (unknown [192.168.30.212]) by smtp-out3.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98B8ABC8161 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 18:26:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (antivir5.iol.cz [127.0.0.1]) by antivir5.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88FBD1E805B for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 20:26:19 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at iol.cz Received: from antivir5.iol.cz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (antivir5.iol.cz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10224) with LMTP id JyKZG6U1xemC for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 20:26:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from port8.iol.cz (unknown [192.168.30.98]) by antivir5.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E5F41E8031 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 20:26:19 +0200 (CEST) X-SBRS: None X-SBRS-none: None X-RECVLIST: MTA-OUT-IOL X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgcQAPeROU5asFO7/2dsb2JhbAAMN4VAkwqSDEA9FhgDAgECARs9CALJCIZCBJJ7kGY Received: from 187.83.broadband9.iol.cz (HELO [10.0.0.2]) ([90.176.83.187]) by port8.iol.cz with ESMTP; 03 Aug 2011 20:26:19 +0200 Message-ID: <4E3992C3.9070802@deep.cz> Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 20:26:11 +0200 From: "Mgr. Janusz Chmiel" Organization: Prodeep o.s User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110706 Firefox/5.0 SeaMonkey/2.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Which distro is best for testing latest Orca unstable builds? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 18:26:35 -0000 Dear developers of Orca, Which distro would You recommend for testing The latest blleding edge builds of Orca? I have found out, that Ubuntu latest development version is for now unusable even for Orca testing, programmers are making somethink complex with Pulseaudio sound server and Orca and speech-dispatcher speech server cooperation have been broken at all at The moment. I have even found out Archlinux live CD, but it is containg XFCE desktop environment without Orca included. So which distribution do You personaly use for testing latest Orca builds? May be that it is Ubuntu development release, but YOu are not using speech at all or You are triing to use Gnomespeech services. Thank You very much for Yours answer. I would like to debug Orca builds with You. -- Mgr. Janusz Chmiel From halim.sahin@t-online.de Wed Aug 3 18:26:36 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 983A3750129 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 18:26:36 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zPdl0mukGw4y for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 18:26:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from doozer.poeml.de (doozer.poeml.de [83.133.126.38]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57F547501B8 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 18:26:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from p5b222366.dip.t-dialin.net ([91.34.35.102] helo=gentoo.local) by doozer.poeml.de with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qog97-0000EZ-JW for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 03 Aug 2011 20:26:21 +0200 Received: by gentoo.local (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 74A19F8A92; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 20:26:10 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 20:26:10 +0200 From: Halim Sahin To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110803182610.GA2749@gentoo.local> References: <001101cc5207$1e980630$a416e255@mj> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <001101cc5207$1e980630$a416e255@mj> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] my last test X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 18:26:36 -0000 could you please stop this? -- Halim Sahin E-Mail: halim.sahin (at) t-online.de From chmiel@deep.cz Wed Aug 3 18:32:45 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 323327501CD for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 18:32:45 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KptglndbRygp for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 18:32:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-out3.iol.cz (smtp-out3.iol.cz [194.228.2.91]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B8B1750129 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 18:32:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from antivir5.iol.cz (unknown [192.168.30.212]) by smtp-out3.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0B9ABC82FD for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 18:32:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (antivir5.iol.cz [127.0.0.1]) by antivir5.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88C2E1E805D for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 20:32:33 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at iol.cz Received: from antivir5.iol.cz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (antivir5.iol.cz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10224) with LMTP id 2IFf9DGpBXqp for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 20:32:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from port9.iol.cz (unknown [192.168.30.99]) by antivir5.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 635831E805B for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 20:32:33 +0200 (CEST) X-SBRS: None X-SBRS-none: None X-RECVLIST: MTA-OUT-IOL X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgcQACWTOU5asFO7/2dsb2JhbAAMNoVAkwqSDEA9FhgDAgECARs9CALJFIZCBJJ7kGY Received: from 187.83.broadband9.iol.cz (HELO [10.0.0.2]) ([90.176.83.187]) by port9.iol.cz with ESMTP; 03 Aug 2011 20:32:33 +0200 Message-ID: <4E399439.4090900@deep.cz> Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 20:32:25 +0200 From: "Mgr. Janusz Chmiel" Organization: Prodeep o.s User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110706 Firefox/5.0 SeaMonkey/2.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Openindiana is ammazing live distro with Orca support X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 18:32:45 -0000 Dear users, This distribution would be usable for all users, who are have more than 512 MB of RAM awailable. I have tested Openindiana live DVD and i have found out, that The Orca responsiveness is very fast even while using included Firefox WEB browser. Developers of Openindiana distro have included special acceleration for Firefox and PUlseaudio sound server is not used. When i have tested Openindiana distribution, it was several months ago, Packaging system did not worked, distribution could not be upgraded after finishing The installation. All administration applications excepts updater worked excellently. No at-spiregistrid crashes have been occurred. The onlyone disadvantage of this distro is, that YOu can not use it with less than 1 GB of RAM. Coredevelopers have made necessary modiffications so Brltty daemon is now usable with USB braille devices. So if somebody would want to try new LInux distribution with Gnome included, You can do this. -- Mgr. Janusz Chmiel From mj@mjw.se Wed Aug 3 18:39:21 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 757F9750129 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 18:39:21 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.918 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.918 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.982] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Nqk+-3kKQKQa for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 18:39:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mjw.se (host-88-80-29-25.cust.prq.se [88.80.29.25]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 433917500CC for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 18:39:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mj ([85.226.22.164]) by mjw.se ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 20:37:39 +0200 From: "mattias" To: Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 20:39:07 +0200 Message-ID: <000b01cc520c$a144af20$a416e255@mj> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: <4E399439.4090900@deep.cz> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3664 Importance: Normal Subject: Re: [orca-list] Openindiana is ammazing live distro with Orca support X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 18:39:21 -0000 I tryed opensolaris 2009 to buggy! But have you link to openindiana? -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr=E5n: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] F=F6r Mgr. Janusz Chmiel Skickat: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 8:32 PM Till: orca-list@gnome.org =C4mne: [orca-list] Openindiana is ammazing live distro with Orca = support Dear users, This distribution would be usable for all users, who are have more=20 than 512 MB of RAM awailable. I have tested Openindiana live DVD and i=20 have found out, that The Orca responsiveness is very fast even while=20 using included Firefox WEB browser. Developers of Openindiana distro have included special acceleration for=20 Firefox and PUlseaudio sound server is not used. When i have tested Openindiana distribution, it was several months ago,=20 Packaging system did not worked, distribution could not be upgraded=20 after finishing The installation. All administration applications excepts updater worked excellently. No=20 at-spiregistrid crashes have been occurred. The onlyone disadvantage of this distro is, that YOu can not use it with less than 1 GB of RAM. Coredevelopers have made necessary modiffications so Brltty daemon is now usable with USB braille devices. So if somebody would want to try new LInux distribution with Gnome=20 included, You can do this. --=20 Mgr. Janusz Chmiel _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From chmiel@deep.cz Wed Aug 3 19:07:46 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7B677500C5 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 19:07:46 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 55jZKkIXiw5M for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 19:07:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-out4.iol.cz (smtp-out4.iol.cz [194.228.2.92]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 632A3750082 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 19:07:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from antivir6.iol.cz (unknown [192.168.30.215]) by smtp-out4.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B79D588141; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 19:07:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (antivir6.iol.cz [127.0.0.1]) by antivir6.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CBEE720051; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 21:07:34 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at iol.cz Received: from antivir6.iol.cz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (antivir6.iol.cz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10224) with LMTP id BhJC70-6tmSi; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 21:07:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from port2.iol.cz (unknown [192.168.30.92]) by antivir6.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A420720036; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 21:07:34 +0200 (CEST) X-SBRS: None X-SBRS-none: None X-RECVLIST: MTA-OUT-IOL X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvIBABKcOU5asFO7/2dsb2JhbAAMNoVAkkeSEQEBBTIBBUABEAshFggHCQMCAQIBGxkRBg0BBQICh2zBK4ZCBJJ7kGY Received: from 187.83.broadband9.iol.cz (HELO [10.0.0.2]) ([90.176.83.187]) by port2.iol.cz with ESMTP; 03 Aug 2011 21:07:33 +0200 Message-ID: <4E399C6D.5070905@deep.cz> Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 21:07:25 +0200 From: "Mgr. Janusz Chmiel" Organization: Prodeep o.s User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110706 Firefox/5.0 SeaMonkey/2.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mattias References: <000b01cc520c$a144af20$a416e255@mj> In-Reply-To: <000b01cc520c$a144af20$a416e255@mj> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Openindiana is ammazing live distro with Orca support X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 19:07:47 -0000 mattias napsal(a): > I tryed opensolaris 2009 to buggy! > But have you link to openindiana? > > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Från: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] > För Mgr. Janusz Chmiel > Skickat: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 8:32 PM > Till: orca-list@gnome.org > Ämne: [orca-list] Openindiana is ammazing live distro with Orca support > > > Dear users, > This distribution would be usable for all users, who are have more > than 512 MB of RAM awailable. I have tested Openindiana live DVD and i > have found out, that The Orca responsiveness is very fast even while > using included Firefox WEB browser. > Developers of Openindiana distro have included special acceleration for > Firefox and PUlseaudio sound server is not used. > When i have tested Openindiana distribution, it was several months ago, > Packaging system did not worked, distribution could not be upgraded > after finishing The installation. > All administration applications excepts updater worked excellently. No > at-spiregistrid crashes have been occurred. > The onlyone disadvantage of this distro is, that YOu can not use it with > > less than 1 GB of RAM. Coredevelopers have made necessary modiffications > > so Brltty daemon is now usable with USB braille devices. > So if somebody would want to try new LInux distribution with Gnome > included, You can do this. > Dear syr, Yes, i can offer You The direct link, but may be, that this development build will not work. http://dlc.openindiana.org/isos/148/oi-dev-148-x86.iso Please, use The same instructions for booting with Orca support like for Opensolaris. -- Mgr. Janusz Chmiel From trev.saunders@gmail.com Wed Aug 3 19:19:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33B26750129 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 19:19:28 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.761 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.761 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FREEMAIL_REPLY=1.929, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Vy7j-yaR4VKa for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 19:19:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gw0-f54.google.com (mail-gw0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 097DD7500C5 for ; Wed, 3 Aug 2011 19:19:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwb15 with SMTP id 15so710367gwb.27 for ; Wed, 03 Aug 2011 12:19:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=wRqLxZm0OO7wM5Rit8KPqp8QZy+bLNrQviD2vYqTRj4=; b=MfOfQmE4W4pOZvrK8b1xM1Ipx6FvpVTtitHarrWe+bKDmlXasMUhFXCvL7CfRKxbP8 snkjkfga0U314N/Fw7Vn9jjNfVjBJuuC2P09XkK4vdpQIlLixH1fSyKCA32EUrWGu3AV aWs9ima/oF1S6p09vwmPkUSMIFveR+s6t0qes= Received: by 10.142.169.15 with SMTP id r15mr614044wfe.318.1312399155618; Wed, 03 Aug 2011 12:19:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exception (corp-240.mv.mozilla.com [63.245.220.240]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d14sm714572wfh.1.2011.08.03.12.19.14 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 03 Aug 2011 12:19:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 12:19:12 -0700 From: Trevor Saunders To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110803191911.GA6075@exception> References: <20110802102200.GA6986@linlap.wavecable.com> <4E3871DE.6000701@gmail.com> <20110803123108.GB21755@linlap.wavecable.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="wac7ysb48OaltWcw" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110803123108.GB21755@linlap.wavecable.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Reading Line by Line in Firefox X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 19:19:28 -0000 --wac7ysb48OaltWcw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Aug 03, 2011 at 05:31:08AM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote: > Yeah, that's my observation exactly. It starts out good and then > later I get the originally reported behavior. The interesting part to > me is that restarting orca fixes it every time. I've seen this too, but it seems to have mostly gone away with recent nightly builds of firefox I *think* but I could very well be wrong. Unfortunitely I'm really not sure what causes this or really were to look for answers. Trev >=20 > On Tue, Aug 02, 2011 at 04:53:34PM -0500, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > > I've seen this as well. I'm running Ubuntu 10.10 (Vinux 3.1) 64-bit with > > Orca 3.1.3 and Firefox 5. I don't see it all of the time, and I don't > > see it on every web page, but I've definitely seen it multiple times. If > > I had to guess, it happens on more complicated web pages, like GMail, > > Google Voice, ..., and when I'm jumping around quite a bit. > >=20 > > On 02/08/11 05:22, Steve Holmes wrote: > > > Allow me to describe the situation here and I wonder if others are > > > experiencing anything similar. > > >=20 > > > 1. Go to one or more pages with Firefox 5 and generally knock around > > > in there, surfing from one page to another. > > >=20 > > > 2. At some point, pressing up and down arrows go silent but arrowing > > > left or right will still speak a character at a time. Also, other > > > structural navigation keys go silent too. > > >=20 > > > The only fix for me is to restart Orca. As soon as Orca restarts, all > > > proper navigation works again. I've had this happen several times in > > > a given gnome session. I'm using recent git pull of Orca Master and > > > gnome 3 plus Firefox 5 from Arch Linux Repos. > > >=20 > > > Can anyone else duplicate these problems? > > > _______________________________________________ > > > orca-list mailing list > > > orca-list@gnome.org > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > > > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/ni= ghtly/ats-2.html > > > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > > > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAsk= edQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > >=20 > >=20 > > --=20 > > Christopher (CJ) > > chaltain@gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > orca-list mailing list > > orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nigh= tly/ats-2.html > > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAsked= Questions/NetiquetteGuidelines > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightl= y/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQu= estions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp --wac7ysb48OaltWcw Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; 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b=B8VPJ5ccDh66zcEPoKS5Y1tc2zR/+0WmGiINE2MHwrAvc0iT9fVUAeI9uJkyEE1GaV GRrID41yuKLhO3Iq0lbVbSCB9epkjtJ2GAHnfN/CWfD6wMoYpFVyQ2rH/WJWY/g5DUrZ 4Cdg1xrnuhnOvun8XIXG/g3hy9BkSFk2wBOy0= Received: by 10.220.39.67 with SMTP id f3mr11036vce.86.1312410321736; Wed, 03 Aug 2011 15:25:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.5] (c-24-60-114-121.hsd1.ma.comcast.net [24.60.114.121]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fp6sm490951vcb.30.2011.08.03.15.25.19 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 03 Aug 2011 15:25:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E39CACC.3010708@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 18:25:16 -0400 From: Dave Hunt User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110617 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Open Indiana X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 22:25:36 -0000 I may want to have another look at this distro. When looking for instructions on how to get an accessible live session, I found only this page, dealing with Open Solaris 2009.6. How applicable is it to the latest build of Open Indiana? Please point me to a better set of instructions, if there is one. Thanks, Dave From chaltain@gmail.com Thu Aug 4 06:22:54 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAC57750092 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2011 06:22:54 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Nsb09hgmsdwY for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2011 06:22:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4E9A75004D for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2011 06:22:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywm39 with SMTP id 39so1381996ywm.27 for ; Wed, 03 Aug 2011 23:22:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=dq0hROCtR79guE7H7BWvvTCfy1Aw6YmJUUa32avm3xU=; b=ic8VX7+sGeKbwzl8q2k75rRFxwwyrhKn7PLk8wrEK8g0E93AgUwtNxYneIXXoyHrWr 65oiNznJqR5fdP4j7+wkfsX9THuk7iUpKHmEzdeK2xKTGLpsAEdkDKzHSZqXqwznt4vc Mezy7uuDDhPq3iX7f3JOd77LXZhIbOSDn/zkk= Received: by 10.150.75.5 with SMTP id x5mr1531582yba.420.1312438962609; Wed, 03 Aug 2011 23:22:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.113] (cpe-173-174-56-115.austin.res.rr.com [173.174.56.115]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i13sm1251748ank.20.2011.08.03.23.22.41 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 03 Aug 2011 23:22:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E3A3AB0.5080707@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 01:22:40 -0500 From: Christopher Chaltain User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110617 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Orca list References: <4E398ECF.2000309@deep.cz> In-Reply-To: <4E398ECF.2000309@deep.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] I AM recommending You The SeaMonkey application as amail client and WEB browser X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 06:22:55 -0000 My experiences with Seamonkey were very disappointing, at least for reading the web. I'm running Seamonkey 2.0.11 and Orca 3.1.3-xdesktop on Ubuntu 10.10 (Vinux 3.1). In Seamonkey, I used control+shift+s to bring up Google, typed in a search term and clicked on the search button. The resulting page took forever to be parsed by Orca, as it does in Firefox. Furthermore, the down arrow key and the structural navigation key for headers didn't work. Both were just stuck on the same line. The tab key did take me to subsequent links. This may be unique to my setup, but for me, Seamonkey is not a viable replacement for Firefox. On 03/08/11 13:09, Mgr. Janusz Chmiel wrote: > Dear users and developers of Orca, > I ave found out, that SeaMonkey is ammazinly accessible GTK based > application. Te perfect is, that this application can be used as a WEB > browser, poverful HTML editor and WEB browser. The browser is fully > compatible with The Gecko rendering engine. > I have tested it with Orca and this application is working ammazingly. > Useful hodkeys can be used to recall The Mail client, HTML editor or WEB > browser. Eventhough SeaMonkey is using older release of Gecko engine, > than The version included in Firefox version 5.0, i have found out, that > this older Gecko engine can be used for displaing many kind of Web pages. > Seamonkey latest awailable version is very fast and there is also > Windows version of this program. > Orca structural navigation keys are working perfectly while using WEB > browser included in SeaMonkey. > So if somebody of us is searching for reliable Internet communication > solution, I AM strongly recommend You The SeaMonkey program. It is very > stable and fast and every sub task will run in The one process memory area. > So You do not have to run several binary modules for working with Yours > E-mail folders, for editing HTML content ETC. > HTML editor is very accessible and visually impaired users can make > their own WEB pages. > -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain@gmail.com From vincent.legoff.srs@gmail.com Thu Aug 4 08:52:36 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A41E8750072 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2011 08:52:36 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.771 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.771 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FREEMAIL_REPLY=1.929, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g1xhQiBzLLCp for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2011 08:52:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com (mail-iy0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9FFD75004D for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2011 08:52:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iye7 with SMTP id 7so2472139iye.3 for ; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 01:52:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=OhwbNTmZoBMaaavMYt9PZnhiV/W3LTQRZlJnB4TTExE=; b=GMJDTM2DNzoSNbCjl5TDmydaXehFlOmgo8RfS/CAdZDgrxOam+aGO/o+wq5W+5B+5K FAqKXawcBLvNOcY+0skq5qJ+r20HAYJsl7T0Lljz6CjAFG1xulknCQVFDl4O0MIb3TeF EHc0SpZCwbvt53JcMMdzJwTSATTE2bo8pKyMY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.157.202 with SMTP id e10mr456996icx.520.1312447944840; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 01:52:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.43.133.72 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Aug 2011 01:52:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4E394561.1070604@gmail.com> References: <4E394561.1070604@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 10:52:24 +0200 Message-ID: From: Vincent Le Goff To: Christopher Chaltain Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Upgrading Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 08:52:36 -0000 Thanks for your answers. I don't use Vinux so maybe here's the difference. Anyway, I tried to build and install a few orca versions. For the time being, I didn't get any errors compiling (make; make install). But I don't have any obvious result, either. My orca link in /usr/local/bin still redirect to orca v 2.32.0. My running version is still 2.32.0, which is not surprising. Perhaps an error occured, that I didn't see, and the link had not been replaced because the new Orca version I tried to install wasn't steady. I really don't know. I plan to upgrade my Ubuntu to 11.04 Natty and use Gnome 3. I will have less problems by then, I guess. But I would like to update Orca without upgrading all my system :D , if possible, that is. Vincent 2011/8/3, Christopher Chaltain : > I'm also running Ubuntu 10.10 with Gnome 2, but I've upgraded Orca to > Orca 3.1.4. I think it's officially called Orca 3.1.4 xDesktop. I'm > actually running Vinux 3.1, and I upgraded Orca by enabling the Vinux > test repository and upgrading Orca. > > On 03/08/11 04:11, Vincent Le Goff wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> I'm running a Ubuntu 10.10 session with Gnome 2. My Orca version is >> 2.32.0. I just saw that this version is not really up to date... not >> at all would be a better way to put it. >> >> This would be great to update this Orca version. But I read that I >> needed Gnome 3 in order to run the last Orca versions. >> >> Well, maybe I'm wrong. I'm a pretty new user on Linux and I still miss >> a lot of stuffs. >> >> My question is : do I need to have Gnome 3 for running the latest >> version of Orca ? Do I need to upgrade my actual Ubuntu version to >> 11.04 in order to have Gnome 3 installed ? And how could I, as simply >> as could be, do these things ? >> >> Thanks for your answers. Please excuse my English, still making a lot >> of mistakes! >> >> Vincent >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at >> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Netiquette Guidelines are at >> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > > -- > Christopher (CJ) > chaltain@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > From hammera@pickup.hu Thu Aug 4 12:17:51 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1713750086 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2011 12:17:51 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.704 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.704 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.804] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LcK2CmI9qeOG for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2011 12:17:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 535D575004D for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2011 12:17:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (unknown [89.251.46.211]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id 6E862E82B4 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2011 14:00:09 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4E3A8DE2.9070505@pickup.hu> Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 14:17:38 +0200 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110617 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4E398ECF.2000309@deep.cz> <4E3A3AB0.5080707@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4E3A3AB0.5080707@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] I AM recommending You The SeaMonkey application as amail client and WEB browser X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 12:17:52 -0000 Hy Christopher, I looked little Seamonkey 2.0.11 with my Ubuntu Lucid system, I using Orca 3.1.5pre-xdesktop version. Try you following after you launched Seamonkey: 1. Press Orca Modifier+CTRL+SPACE key combination. 2. In Seamonkey page check the Grab focus on objects when navigating check box, the default state this check box is unchecked. I looked some headings containing pages, checking grab focus on object when navigating check box is resolve my machine the heading levels related issues. If this check box is unchecked, H and Shift+H heading level structural navigation command doesn't work right. Anybody confirming this? If I see right, the search possibility (CTRL+F keystroke) doesn't working right. If I begin writing search term and press ESCAPE key, the focus doesn't jump the founded result. I don't see visual for example the searched link focused or not, Orca where am I spokening the prewious focused link. Happening similar if I writing only the want searching content, but not press Escape key. For example, when I begin typing the search term, and if have founded result, Orca doesn't spokening the search result. This possibility working right with Firefox. I don't no this is Seamonkey or Orca script mapping related issue. I don't no why, but impossible activating Seamonkey main menu bar, F10 or ALT key doesn't activating the menu bar If I using for example the ALT+F (File menu) or ALT+E (Edit menu) mkey combination, required main menues are dropdowned right. Possible newest Seamonkey version this problem are already fixed, I not looked yet. Attila From hammera@pickup.hu Thu Aug 4 12:46:46 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0F617500AA for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2011 12:46:46 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.704 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.704 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.804] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CeVD1FygCsdr for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2011 12:46:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54A5375004D for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2011 12:46:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (unknown [89.251.46.211]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id F351EE8603 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2011 14:29:04 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4E3A94AA.6070003@pickup.hu> Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 14:46:34 +0200 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110617 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4E398ECF.2000309@deep.cz> <4E3A3AB0.5080707@gmail.com> <4E3A8DE2.9070505@pickup.hu> In-Reply-To: <4E3A8DE2.9070505@pickup.hu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] I AM recommending You The SeaMonkey application as amail client and WEB browser X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 12:46:47 -0000 Hy, I prewious wrote searching related issue is resolved already with Seamonkey 2.2 version. If I experiencing right, if this version are using, doesn't need checking the grab focus on object when navigating check box. Very interesting, for example in Oneiric are packaged only with 2.0.13 version. Unfortunately, the Seamonkey 2.2 version is producing backspace related bug, similar with Firefox4 and higher versions: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=619002 Attila From chaltain@gmail.com Thu Aug 4 14:11:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DAC97500AA for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2011 14:11:23 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6+i1gMpWOpSB for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2011 14:11:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6608750086 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2011 14:11:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxl31 with SMTP id 31so1683449yxl.27 for ; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 07:11:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=zAlejnP2IgDs2Coh+LAZNO6Cf3d48u+u5vi1eArgPMo=; b=V0m/syH3g/6b85ASqlQjNEWZe/jEFeeJ3EtCmqn4iAYDGB9WwojoRpyLq90rlm5gNl olCLg9HEPjnYDleBFW2/1a2tWM4rt1bQ83bWNCq8XtkCqrxQH4YD2TCje7Z/JPSNHAOz PDFPd9shyCnhixoKJPdzG8b6qdAfV8JyfFjYk= Received: by 10.236.180.7 with SMTP id i7mr902242yhm.277.1312467069820; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 07:11:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.132] (cpe-173-174-56-115.austin.res.rr.com [173.174.56.115]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f4sm1021997yhn.83.2011.08.04.07.11.07 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 04 Aug 2011 07:11:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E3AA87A.1090101@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 09:11:06 -0500 From: Christopher Chaltain User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110624 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4E394561.1070604@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Upgrading Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 14:11:23 -0000 I wonder if your new Orca is ending up in some place like /usr/bin instead of /usr/local/bin. Also, it's my understanding that Ubuntu 11.04 doesn't come with Gnome 3. It comes with Gnome 2 and unity. I guess you may be able to install Gnome 3 though. On 04/08/11 03:52, Vincent Le Goff wrote: > Thanks for your answers. > > I don't use Vinux so maybe here's the difference. Anyway, I tried to > build and install a few orca versions. For the time being, I didn't > get any errors compiling (make; make install). But I don't have any > obvious result, either. > > My orca link in /usr/local/bin still redirect to orca v 2.32.0. My > running version is still 2.32.0, which is not surprising. > > Perhaps an error occured, that I didn't see, and the link had not been > replaced because the new Orca version I tried to install wasn't > steady. I really don't know. > > I plan to upgrade my Ubuntu to 11.04 Natty and use Gnome 3. I will > have less problems by then, I guess. But I would like to update Orca > without upgrading all my system :D , if possible, that is. > > Vincent > > 2011/8/3, Christopher Chaltain: >> I'm also running Ubuntu 10.10 with Gnome 2, but I've upgraded Orca to >> Orca 3.1.4. I think it's officially called Orca 3.1.4 xDesktop. I'm >> actually running Vinux 3.1, and I upgraded Orca by enabling the Vinux >> test repository and upgrading Orca. >> >> On 03/08/11 04:11, Vincent Le Goff wrote: >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> I'm running a Ubuntu 10.10 session with Gnome 2. My Orca version is >>> 2.32.0. I just saw that this version is not really up to date... not >>> at all would be a better way to put it. >>> >>> This would be great to update this Orca version. But I read that I >>> needed Gnome 3 in order to run the last Orca versions. >>> >>> Well, maybe I'm wrong. I'm a pretty new user on Linux and I still miss >>> a lot of stuffs. >>> >>> My question is : do I need to have Gnome 3 for running the latest >>> version of Orca ? Do I need to upgrade my actual Ubuntu version to >>> 11.04 in order to have Gnome 3 installed ? And how could I, as simply >>> as could be, do these things ? >>> >>> Thanks for your answers. Please excuse my English, still making a lot >>> of mistakes! >>> >>> Vincent >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>> The manual is at >>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>> Netiquette Guidelines are at >>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >> >> >> -- >> Christopher (CJ) >> chaltain@gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at >> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Netiquette Guidelines are at >> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >> -- Christopher (CJ)< chaltain@gmail.com From mj@mjw.se Thu Aug 4 14:35:12 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DF16750086 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2011 14:35:12 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.918 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.918 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.982] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8wtiAnsF-KYn for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2011 14:35:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mjw.se (host-88-80-29-25.cust.prq.se [88.80.29.25]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1B8F575004D for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2011 14:35:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mj ([85.226.22.164]) by mjw.se ; Thu, 4 Aug 2011 16:33:30 +0200 From: "mattias" To: "'Halim Sahin'" , Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 16:34:55 +0200 Message-ID: <000001cc52b3$ae49af70$a416e255@mj> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: <20110803182610.GA2749@gentoo.local> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3664 Importance: Normal Subject: Re: [orca-list] my last test X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 14:35:12 -0000 Yes! -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr=E5n: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] F=F6r Halim Sahin Skickat: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 8:26 PM Till: orca-list@gnome.org =C4mne: Re: [orca-list] my last test could you please stop this? --=20 Halim Sahin E-Mail: =09 halim.sahin (at) t-online.de _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From vincent.legoff.srs@gmail.com Thu Aug 4 15:24:39 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8060750086 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2011 15:24:39 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.771 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.771 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FREEMAIL_REPLY=1.929, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uYpUO4x-ZfWo for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2011 15:24:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82EDF75004D for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2011 15:24:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyf3 with SMTP id 3so1779437gyf.27 for ; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 08:24:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=tf/gplqadvMdi/VCaVkRLYwRB9VXCgWWu3RUfjBV1js=; b=PCYSiiPbE80gcQX9Oyupp7MHlWMMXPxhlfqfJ4pr0sc8sww7GTdyj9b/eIqC8WpL4I s1mCcguSgaa3i5Rg/LYTJGz3EiKNRq60JwFhoKAirIIysiSXfrqzNl0psO2/uJoH/8iX BDqG8Lf1yYsuMVfB4tArDAm2RX5L1I9lxdN80= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.108.6 with SMTP id f6mr801290icp.118.1312471466687; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 08:24:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.43.133.72 with HTTP; Thu, 4 Aug 2011 08:24:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4E3AA87A.1090101@gmail.com> References: <4E394561.1070604@gmail.com> <4E3AA87A.1090101@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 17:24:26 +0200 Message-ID: From: Vincent Le Goff To: Christopher Chaltain Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Upgrading Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 15:24:39 -0000 I checked in /usr/bin. There is a link, all right, but it redirects to orca 2.32.0 too. I think you're right about Ubuntu 11.04. But I could easily (or so I hope) install Gnome 3 on it. On my actual version I think it's not possible... wtihout a lot of problems, anyway. Thanks for help Vincent 2011/8/4, Christopher Chaltain : > I wonder if your new Orca is ending up in some place like /usr/bin > instead of /usr/local/bin. > > Also, it's my understanding that Ubuntu 11.04 doesn't come with Gnome 3. > It comes with Gnome 2 and unity. I guess you may be able to install > Gnome 3 though. > > On 04/08/11 03:52, Vincent Le Goff wrote: >> Thanks for your answers. >> >> I don't use Vinux so maybe here's the difference. Anyway, I tried to >> build and install a few orca versions. For the time being, I didn't >> get any errors compiling (make; make install). But I don't have any >> obvious result, either. >> >> My orca link in /usr/local/bin still redirect to orca v 2.32.0. My >> running version is still 2.32.0, which is not surprising. >> >> Perhaps an error occured, that I didn't see, and the link had not been >> replaced because the new Orca version I tried to install wasn't >> steady. I really don't know. >> >> I plan to upgrade my Ubuntu to 11.04 Natty and use Gnome 3. I will >> have less problems by then, I guess. But I would like to update Orca >> without upgrading all my system :D , if possible, that is. >> >> Vincent >> >> 2011/8/3, Christopher Chaltain: >>> I'm also running Ubuntu 10.10 with Gnome 2, but I've upgraded Orca to >>> Orca 3.1.4. I think it's officially called Orca 3.1.4 xDesktop. I'm >>> actually running Vinux 3.1, and I upgraded Orca by enabling the Vinux >>> test repository and upgrading Orca. >>> >>> On 03/08/11 04:11, Vincent Le Goff wrote: >>>> Hi everyone, >>>> >>>> I'm running a Ubuntu 10.10 session with Gnome 2. My Orca version is >>>> 2.32.0. I just saw that this version is not really up to date... not >>>> at all would be a better way to put it. >>>> >>>> This would be great to update this Orca version. But I read that I >>>> needed Gnome 3 in order to run the last Orca versions. >>>> >>>> Well, maybe I'm wrong. I'm a pretty new user on Linux and I still miss >>>> a lot of stuffs. >>>> >>>> My question is : do I need to have Gnome 3 for running the latest >>>> version of Orca ? Do I need to upgrade my actual Ubuntu version to >>>> 11.04 in order to have Gnome 3 installed ? And how could I, as simply >>>> as could be, do these things ? >>>> >>>> Thanks for your answers. Please excuse my English, still making a lot >>>> of mistakes! >>>> >>>> Vincent >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> orca-list mailing list >>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>>> The manual is at >>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>>> Netiquette Guidelines are at >>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Christopher (CJ) >>> chaltain@gmail.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>> The manual is at >>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>> Netiquette Guidelines are at >>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >>> > > -- > Christopher (CJ)< > chaltain@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > From hackingkk@gmail.com Thu Aug 4 19:08:01 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Delivered-To: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B25F575008E for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2011 19:08:01 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZRBdyiw0EHFf for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2011 19:08:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pz0-f41.google.com (mail-pz0-f41.google.com [209.85.210.41]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBD2775007D for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2011 19:07:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk4 with SMTP id 4so810111pzk.0 for ; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 12:07:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=zI+vft+we4w+j7CP508MqcRXB/zHTYTr82y0uAP/Ywk=; b=Jho5MEfG7emC+jqtGjNJQPWwlIvJ5+jyazr8pamku4vJy2etLe6jWe8D6/bXTliJko tY29lYE6Bc5QhxZdVw7SwbQmS/57Vv/G90iw+Vf9NHcECp0z9d/KcpmOEUdNFV2LRzN7 mQtRxAI+iy7vdXjmQjlaBctmIjBfw7x4hT3Ig= Received: by 10.142.11.4 with SMTP id 4mr1113834wfk.365.1312484869602; Thu, 04 Aug 2011 12:07:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (triband-mum-59.183.30.135.mtnl.net.in [59.183.30.135]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d3sm2515150pbh.53.2011.08.04.12.07.47 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 04 Aug 2011 12:07:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E3AEE00.1010508@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2011 00:37:44 +0530 From: hackingKK User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110424 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] wich is the best combination for browsing the web? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 19:08:01 -0000 Hello all, So many versions of orca, so many gnome versions and firefox 4 + firefox5! Can some one make a small overview document about which is the right combination for prime time use? Should I use latest orca with firefox5? or ff4 still better? Has any thing been done so far on the backspace not speaking removed character? and if yes then in which version of ff and/ or orca? Happy hacking. Krishnakant. From jdashiel@shellworld.net Fri Aug 5 00:22:39 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85C2F750077 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2011 00:22:39 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.038 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.038 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.804, SARE_RECV_IP_069060096=1.666] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bW3Cw3Q+GNqd for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2011 00:22:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server1.shellworld.net (shellworld.net [69.60.117.94]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63AF6750091 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2011 00:22:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by server1.shellworld.net (Postfix, from userid 1024) id E53FD2284F; Thu, 4 Aug 2011 19:22:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server1.shellworld.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E34EB2280E; Thu, 4 Aug 2011 20:22:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 20:22:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Jude DaShiell To: Christopher Chaltain In-Reply-To: <4E3A3AB0.5080707@gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <4E398ECF.2000309@deep.cz> <4E3A3AB0.5080707@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: Orca list Subject: Re: [orca-list] I AM recommending You The SeaMonkey application as amail client and WEB browser X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2011 00:22:39 -0000 something similar happens in internet explorer 7 and above on windows xp and probably versions above xp. On Thu, 4 Aug 2011, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > My experiences with Seamonkey were very disappointing, at least for > reading the web. I'm running Seamonkey 2.0.11 and Orca 3.1.3-xdesktop on > Ubuntu 10.10 (Vinux 3.1). > > In Seamonkey, I used control+shift+s to bring up Google, typed in a > search term and clicked on the search button. The resulting page took > forever to be parsed by Orca, as it does in Firefox. > > Furthermore, the down arrow key and the structural navigation key for > headers didn't work. Both were just stuck on the same line. The tab key > did take me to subsequent links. > > This may be unique to my setup, but for me, Seamonkey is not a viable > replacement for Firefox. > > On 03/08/11 13:09, Mgr. Janusz Chmiel wrote: > > Dear users and developers of Orca, > > I ave found out, that SeaMonkey is ammazinly accessible GTK based > > application. Te perfect is, that this application can be used as a WEB > > browser, poverful HTML editor and WEB browser. The browser is fully > > compatible with The Gecko rendering engine. > > I have tested it with Orca and this application is working ammazingly. > > Useful hodkeys can be used to recall The Mail client, HTML editor or WEB > > browser. Eventhough SeaMonkey is using older release of Gecko engine, > > than The version included in Firefox version 5.0, i have found out, that > > this older Gecko engine can be used for displaing many kind of Web pages. > > Seamonkey latest awailable version is very fast and there is also > > Windows version of this program. > > Orca structural navigation keys are working perfectly while using WEB > > browser included in SeaMonkey. > > So if somebody of us is searching for reliable Internet communication > > solution, I AM strongly recommend You The SeaMonkey program. It is very > > stable and fast and every sub task will run in The one process memory area. > > So You do not have to run several binary modules for working with Yours > > E-mail folders, for editing HTML content ETC. > > HTML editor is very accessible and visually impaired users can make > > their own WEB pages. > > > > > From hammera@pickup.hu Fri Aug 5 05:55:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B654E750091 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2011 05:55:08 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.704 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.704 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.804] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2dzRY70aeNpU for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2011 05:55:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5CA675008C for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2011 05:54:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (unknown [89.251.46.211]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id A7A09E824C for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2011 07:37:23 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4E3B85AE.5050104@pickup.hu> Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2011 07:54:54 +0200 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110617 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Possible an Orca developer revieving my UI change related braille patches? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2011 05:55:08 -0000 Hy, Begin nearing the UI freeze time period, I think this date is August 27TH. I doed my openion some importanter braille related patches with need revieving, if want this functions be ready before UI freeze time period. 1. Contracted braille related patch with provide possibility to turn Orca present cursor highlighted word with computer braille format or contracted braille: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=651206 This patch percentage is good, if I begin going right direction this function implementation. Need resolving one traceback related problem if any developer tell me what can I mistake this patch. Only my patch producing a traceback error message if existing Orca user-settings.conf file not already have the required setting, Orca GUI preferences dialog is not presenting the screen. 2. Present braille with mnemonics informations related patch: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=651839 This patch percentage is good, if my implementation direction is good. Basic dialogue widgets and menues the mnemonics related informations are right presenting the braille display, similar with speak objects mnemonics preference. Possible both two patches need actualizing with master and orca-xdesktop branches, because perhaps UI files is different. Of course I welcome doing this tasks. Unfortunately, I think before UI freeze not have enough time to implementing presenting braille with position index values, enhancement request link is following: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=617647 Don't surprise, I begin doing this feature with some months ago, but I not attaching any patch, because my code is not actualized with now awailable Orca branches (master and orca-xdesktop). I think need scheduling this feature implementation with next development schedule, because the UI freeze time period is very near, if I known right date. :-):-) I absolute agree if have higher priority required tasks, for example actualizing Orca docs with master and orca-xdesktop branches. For example, in master branch need removing Orca help page the removed preferences documents (disable GKSU with keyboard setting documentation, magnifier related documentations, etc). If need, I try welcome helping this task, if I not need working this two linked functions this development cicle. Attila From hammera@pickup.hu Fri Aug 5 06:02:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B4747500D1 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2011 06:02:33 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.704 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.704 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.804] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4saWWYt7L-mE for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2011 06:02:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8BFD750091 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2011 06:02:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (unknown [89.251.46.211]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id C95F9E8425 for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2011 07:44:58 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4E3B8775.6050003@pickup.hu> Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2011 08:02:29 +0200 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110617 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] When final Orca 3.2 version is released, will be have final Orca 3.2-xdesktop stable version too? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2011 06:02:33 -0000 Hy, Now, Orca using two development branches, master and orca-xdesktop. Both two branches are containing latest developments and functions, of course except the GNOME3 related differences. When final Orca 3.2 release is done, will be have a final orca-3.2-xdesktop stable version this temporary time period too? What time period are supporting with orca-xdesktop branch? This is an important question, because for example with Ubuntu Lucid the support are end I think 2013 april. I don't no, future releasing Debian 7.0 (wheezy) will be what GNOME version are shipping. Attila From scottbb1973@gmail.com Fri Aug 5 23:53:25 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C673775011C for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2011 23:53:25 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.047 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.047 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DATE_IN_PAST_06_12=1.543, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id orDVL+VkoUeB for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2011 23:53:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gw0-f54.google.com (mail-gw0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 564B27500DB for ; Fri, 5 Aug 2011 23:53:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwb15 with SMTP id 15so2739052gwb.27 for ; Fri, 05 Aug 2011 16:53:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=T/DkVd3101cGP+eD1DNHjon3dwOwvQdhU7R7YQZHFdo=; b=WRlM77dCna35qUQW7Pajs8BKug1qotudn9e/ljDplN4s4EKK+Rrlrt6SQEXwfjPIJN vmDltwj8znPjKIKIVgVsy0HqVKQiKDdUWrBANoW9WXhQCaA1fcIT9kCeFt4wbaBKMryi 3TiWkV1M5IfmKRxFcJG+8kC88hyTQa6SU/ykA= Received: by 10.142.229.17 with SMTP id b17mr2596870wfh.443.1312588393937; Fri, 05 Aug 2011 16:53:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.11.50] ([174.33.124.70]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y12sm349402wfg.10.2011.08.05.16.53.07 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 05 Aug 2011 16:53:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E3C1F77.4030609@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2011 18:51:03 +0200 From: Scott Berry User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110617 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] problem with Orca stopping when Firefox is closed X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: scottbb1973@gmail.com List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2011 23:53:26 -0000 Hello there everyone, This has been a problem for a while nd it would be really coll to solve this one. When a Firefox page is brought up and then closed Orca stops speaking. In vinux with the special scripts you can get Orca going again with Control+Alt+O. But this will only work between 6 to eight times and then Orca almost freezes like and a reboot is in order. How should I file this as a new bug or is there a bug already open? -- Scott Berry E-mail Address: scottbb1973@gmail.com Repeater Book Admin for the following states: north and South Dakota, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa Computer Certs: MCP, A+ Certified From jason@jasonjgw.net Sat Aug 6 01:11:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E2F67500ED for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2011 01:11:59 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.551 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.551 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_BRBL_LASTEXT=1.449] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1AAbHixijpaI for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2011 01:11:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from jdc.jasonjgw.net (ppp198-218.static.internode.on.net [59.167.198.218]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BA947500DB for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2011 01:11:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by jdc.jasonjgw.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3C53B180B33C5; Sat, 6 Aug 2011 11:11:46 +1000 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=jasonjgw.net; s=mail; t=1312593106; bh=ERx/LjS8nzmN6R9tp7sqcbwk2GqCReotdFEdKUxh4wc=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:In-Reply-To; b=XcWHh4ucQrUIQ0VJLuQocit11XrE1jmioC/t0Wy2KZH+DKwzieD5ES5vRVKAFNleL fdzbeixab2GM+df54Nr+NF+t9+4XHY/rGaWkgeBvuj5219mXhJq9vIrbcMZP6e9j6l 0taQOhGww84s8M2Z8x5uyTqwrRk07ncUiqncpMGw= Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 11:11:46 +1000 From: Jason White To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110806011146.GA19444@jdc.jasonjgw.net> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4E3AEE00.1010508@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4E3AEE00.1010508@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] wich is the best combination for browsing the web? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 01:11:59 -0000 hackingKK wrote: > So many versions of orca, so many gnome versions and firefox 4 + firefox5! > Can some one make a small overview document about which is the right > combination for prime time use? > Should I use latest orca with firefox5? or ff4 still better? Whichever you choose, be sure that the version of Orca matches the version of Firefox. Running Orca 3.x with Firefox 4 or Firefox 5 is better than running Orca 2.x with those Firefox versions, as improvements were made in Orca to accommodate bug fixes in Firefox. > Has any thing been done so far on the backspace not speaking removed > character? Not as far as I know, but note that when characters are deleted with backspace, the braille output is updated properly, which suggests to me that it's an Orca issue with speech rather than a Firefox accessibility bug. I would personally choose Firefox 5 with Orca 3.x, but others may have a different opinion. From deedra@the-brannons.com Sat Aug 6 15:32:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32B2075010A for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2011 15:32:06 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zJwHT58178uF for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2011 15:32:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hurricane.the-brannons.com (cbrannon.xen.prgmr.com [64.62.188.119]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64EC37500D2 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2011 15:31:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.68] (99-177-240-11.lightspeed.hdvltn.sbcglobal.net [99.177.240.11]) by hurricane.the-brannons.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id ACC5073BAB for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2011 10:34:10 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4E3D5E6E.2080204@the-brannons.com> Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 10:31:58 -0500 From: Deedra Waters User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110628 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] playing media streams in firefox? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 15:32:06 -0000 Does anyone know how to do this? I've not figured this out, and seems it either doesn't like playing those streams or mplayer is tediusly picky which it can be.;p Are there other ways to play streams using firefox? From rkcole72984@gmail.com Sat Aug 6 16:26:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EB3E750132 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2011 16:26:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.59 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.59 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gPuo+JZRW9k3 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2011 16:26:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qy0-f175.google.com (mail-qy0-f175.google.com [209.85.216.175]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 549BD750024 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2011 16:26:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk4 with SMTP id 4so979376qyk.6 for ; Sat, 06 Aug 2011 09:26:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=bh78eR1DN45SNSXdW+4WzqLhb1YGM8yqpfo0LZlZRJ4=; b=wiw0cGQbXr+HjyTUj8lPYSNhhffI2iTHZU1lhq0gL29T5aZ+9BpdoaZHVXuQwkCXpo DxsMf4LtGR12Tro3bohlL6g24tuIDKjJ6+LI+5b0L3LE93hI6ty6S3kY5OxvqiCbZWxG Q3ktI/PYzMNRL5JmmHYxmrsgx7XiWD7SkRDmk= Received: by 10.142.173.12 with SMTP id v12mr3402475wfe.341.1312647991839; Sat, 06 Aug 2011 09:26:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.142] (c-76-20-104-251.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [76.20.104.251]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t7sm2448796wfl.14.2011.08.06.09.26.29 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 06 Aug 2011 09:26:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E3D6B34.4000005@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 09:26:28 -0700 From: Robert Cole User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110617 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4E3D5E6E.2080204@the-brannons.com> In-Reply-To: <4E3D5E6E.2080204@the-brannons.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] playing media streams in firefox? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 16:26:44 -0000 could you direct me to one of the streams which you are trying to play? Maybe I can help you with this. If it is a stream which requires Silverlight, however, I do not think ti is really possible to play Silverlight content in Linux. On 08/06/2011 08:31 AM, Deedra Waters wrote: > Does anyone know how to do this? I've not figured this out, and seems > it either doesn't like playing those streams or mplayer is tediusly > picky which it can be.;p Are there other ways to play streams using > firefox? From webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl Sat Aug 6 16:31:46 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57BB27500D2 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2011 16:31:46 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.784 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.784 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.783, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VRz+DDCZfYJr for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2011 16:31:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpo05.poczta.onet.pl (smtpo05.poczta.onet.pl [213.180.142.136]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5758750024 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2011 16:31:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [193.200.46.16] (unknown [193.200.46.16]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl) by smtp.poczta.onet.pl (Onet) with ESMTPSA id 47E5820133FE2; Sat, 6 Aug 2011 18:31:32 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=poczta.onet.pl; s=2011; t=1312648292; bh=eipmR7Nd4B8Q3l+bcRmN8299bZVOOFU+94TdN68AO14=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=A/UWFt9K22qWoiOXIWXyhY4hruJcyfsmqSdlKFaUVKfRBeTm3f+PbP7sMNSfHKa4i ZgR0ylMK9geZ2hEsNzBPLlYvokkXaN3LSN906z44ymsE9TC0zPy5dGTCT5qOxp/a7r YJCpI5rPUnCBCFgUgIoXOaluejT4kiGs9/K6jaSE= Message-ID: <4E3D6C62.8060403@poczta.onet.pl> Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 18:31:30 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?TWljaGHFgiBaZWdhbg==?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110617 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Cole References: <4E3D5E6E.2080204@the-brannons.com> <4E3D6B34.4000005@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4E3D6B34.4000005@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] playing media streams in firefox? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 16:31:46 -0000 I think it's possible if you install moonlight, but not sure about it's state, and it's out of date on ubuntu, for example, not sure about other distros. W dniu 06.08.2011 18:26, Robert Cole pisze: > could you direct me to one of the streams which you are trying to > play? Maybe I can help you with this. If it is a stream which requires > Silverlight, however, I do not think ti is really possible to play > Silverlight content in Linux. > > On 08/06/2011 08:31 AM, Deedra Waters wrote: >> Does anyone know how to do this? I've not figured this out, and seems >> it either doesn't like playing those streams or mplayer is tediusly >> picky which it can be.;p Are there other ways to play streams using >> firefox? > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > From rkcole72984@gmail.com Sat Aug 6 16:43:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA4F87500D2 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2011 16:43:53 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id USckn8hPmSqK for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2011 16:43:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pz0-f41.google.com (mail-pz0-f41.google.com [209.85.210.41]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3592A750024 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2011 16:43:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk4 with SMTP id 4so4135194pzk.0 for ; Sat, 06 Aug 2011 09:43:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=UVqTfmCGrKP+fuoHcMFlbRnPEXjhm3+U8HTmTjUrZZc=; b=PFGxwG4Ib+lGae/6lgIX9A/T2X+TonwT9gpTXJuikiTmUmrovREggjSAq4LnylvNXU wUJpRq/+pysSNhO79V3sA2UswizRlDIb8OxN87RL2vrp48AAI05xKN2q/FUcCHZqXReR 5+CZbVOYDCBhA75R84RRjhF+mGDW1BzyK7fR8= Received: by 10.142.152.23 with SMTP id z23mr3452703wfd.186.1312649020189; Sat, 06 Aug 2011 09:43:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.142] (c-76-20-104-251.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [76.20.104.251]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f20sm544626wfl.9.2011.08.06.09.43.38 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 06 Aug 2011 09:43:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E3D6F39.8020406@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 09:43:37 -0700 From: Robert Cole User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110617 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?UTF-8?B?TWljaGHFgiBaZWdhbg==?= References: <4E3D5E6E.2080204@the-brannons.com> <4E3D6B34.4000005@gmail.com> <4E3D6C62.8060403@poczta.onet.pl> In-Reply-To: <4E3D6C62.8060403@poczta.onet.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] playing media streams in firefox? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 16:43:53 -0000 Unfortunately, I have not had any success with Moonlight. I used the latest Moonlight 4 Preview, but it did not work for anything which I tried it on. On 08/06/2011 09:31 AM, MichaÅ‚ Zegan wrote: > I think it's possible if you install moonlight, but not sure about > it's state, and it's out of date on ubuntu, for example, not sure > about other distros. > W dniu 06.08.2011 18:26, Robert Cole pisze: >> could you direct me to one of the streams which you are trying to >> play? Maybe I can help you with this. If it is a stream which >> requires Silverlight, however, I do not think ti is really possible >> to play Silverlight content in Linux. >> >> On 08/06/2011 08:31 AM, Deedra Waters wrote: >>> Does anyone know how to do this? I've not figured this out, and >>> seems it either doesn't like playing those streams or mplayer is >>> tediusly picky which it can be.;p Are there other ways to play >>> streams using firefox? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at >> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Netiquette Guidelines are at >> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >> > From webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl Sat Aug 6 16:45:24 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3AA97500D2 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2011 16:45:23 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.784 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.784 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.783, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fD-+KAOJoXPW for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2011 16:45:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpo01.poczta.onet.pl (smtpo01.poczta.onet.pl [213.180.142.132]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58C5D750024 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2011 16:45:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [193.200.46.16] (unknown [193.200.46.16]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl) by smtp.poczta.onet.pl (Onet) with ESMTPSA id 6BBC720113F61; Sat, 6 Aug 2011 18:45:09 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=poczta.onet.pl; s=2011; t=1312649109; bh=l+sC6BZj1QF4rJ4jbuQEkgJ5gktGHniordNb0hP6g+E=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=mZghCtjky6TyybutAHwvlGS8LtzFi2HWrFBMDZkvT/+9VH/5xoaTiCCkMJrP/3ejB cekFnPGb8JosUCKwQVJkzK4LcJ8cJSupJ836SVobywMwtICnXygaqB8ldo5QyYjr7q jEI3qvbdfXYHp5jyG/baGNHgsV0qPF6e0z+JkLwg= Message-ID: <4E3D6F95.4070502@poczta.onet.pl> Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 18:45:09 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?TWljaGHFgiBaZWdhbg==?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110617 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Cole References: <4E3D5E6E.2080204@the-brannons.com> <4E3D6B34.4000005@gmail.com> <4E3D6C62.8060403@poczta.onet.pl> <4E3D6F39.8020406@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4E3D6F39.8020406@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] playing media streams in firefox? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 16:45:24 -0000 Are you sure it didn't work? Or maybe it was improperly set up? W dniu 06.08.2011 18:43, Robert Cole pisze: > Unfortunately, I have not had any success with Moonlight. I used the > latest Moonlight 4 Preview, but it did not work for anything which I > tried it on. > > On 08/06/2011 09:31 AM, MichaÅ‚ Zegan wrote: >> I think it's possible if you install moonlight, but not sure about >> it's state, and it's out of date on ubuntu, for example, not sure >> about other distros. >> W dniu 06.08.2011 18:26, Robert Cole pisze: >>> could you direct me to one of the streams which you are trying to >>> play? Maybe I can help you with this. If it is a stream which >>> requires Silverlight, however, I do not think ti is really possible >>> to play Silverlight content in Linux. >>> >>> On 08/06/2011 08:31 AM, Deedra Waters wrote: >>>> Does anyone know how to do this? I've not figured this out, and >>>> seems it either doesn't like playing those streams or mplayer is >>>> tediusly picky which it can be.;p Are there other ways to play >>>> streams using firefox? >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>> The manual is at >>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>> Netiquette Guidelines are at >>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>> >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >>> >> > > From deedra@the-brannons.com Sat Aug 6 16:56:03 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06B517500D2 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2011 16:56:03 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8zQEjsl1iu30 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2011 16:56:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hurricane.the-brannons.com (cbrannon.xen.prgmr.com [64.62.188.119]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AF20750024 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2011 16:55:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.68] (99-177-240-11.lightspeed.moblal.sbcglobal.net [99.177.240.11]) by hurricane.the-brannons.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7DC1D73BAB for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2011 11:58:06 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4E3D721A.5040802@the-brannons.com> Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 11:55:54 -0500 From: Deedra Waters User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110628 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4E3D5E6E.2080204@the-brannons.com> <4E3D6B34.4000005@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4E3D6B34.4000005@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] playing media streams in firefox? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 16:56:03 -0000 Try tunein.com I'm using this on my android and can play it's streams, was trying to use the website version which has listen links but can't figure out what to play them with, near as i can tell the streams differ between AAC mp3 and wma content.On 08/06/2011 11:26 AM, Robert Cole wrote: > could you direct me to one of the streams which you are trying to play? > Maybe I can help you with this. If it is a stream which requires > Silverlight, however, I do not think ti is really possible to play > Silverlight content in Linux. > > On 08/06/2011 08:31 AM, Deedra Waters wrote: >> Does anyone know how to do this? I've not figured this out, and seems >> it either doesn't like playing those streams or mplayer is tediusly >> picky which it can be.;p Are there other ways to play streams using >> firefox? > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From sonfire11@gmail.com Sat Aug 6 18:16:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99E737500D2 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2011 18:16:28 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J550rVSFoqTO for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2011 18:16:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com (mail-iy0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DFA3750024 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2011 18:16:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iye7 with SMTP id 7so5364066iye.3 for ; Sat, 06 Aug 2011 11:16:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer :thread-index:content-language; bh=iQJ5Pva3rEN3IaE5rWsyZEI28k8b0zF4GivWMtyRxAM=; b=Y25pXr0FDqBKU4YGatOT/NfYiuJ4ofNGPaBXJzIFqEXuOieAQllzyb50zd3VBeclX0 8N0Q9+YmckydOUcTQwnn638Q1IFD9fYcUaRInNsxOcSSNqNBdHjPQgIMUGh9otsGY3aH xwRExybKGo523V7bFelRjwyGwcbCYEbLxqbN4= Received: by 10.42.146.136 with SMTP id j8mr3683742icv.369.1312654576938; Sat, 06 Aug 2011 11:16:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from adminPC (97-83-31-8.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com [97.83.31.8]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ie4sm4904143icc.8.2011.08.06.11.16.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 06 Aug 2011 11:16:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andy B" To: Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 14:15:44 -0400 Message-ID: <000601cc5464$dcdaa080$968fe180$@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01CC5443.55C90080" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AcxUZMUT4UIe+C7kSZOxoMmGIJt6wg== Content-Language: en-us Subject: [orca-list] Ubuntu 11.10 and vmware player X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 18:16:28 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CC5443.55C90080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone used Ubuntu 11.10 with vmware player? 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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CC5443.55C90080-- From rkcole72984@gmail.com Sat Aug 6 18:17:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4426D7500D2 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2011 18:17:43 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.59 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.59 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d0i6NuLapuUr for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2011 18:17:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pz0-f41.google.com (mail-pz0-f41.google.com [209.85.210.41]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B40A1750024 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2011 18:17:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk4 with SMTP id 4so4233131pzk.0 for ; Sat, 06 Aug 2011 11:17:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=MRD79Y3gC7ny/qPIbejp4juj/8ubhnlKJXi5kJd3eAY=; b=UzbIwXG0wkZnf5uV5zcvnYGdvyJ1RdYkJJJPHtQ/9jBsDbDJXjAhG53TPCkTGOfR5K Za9lixbcY6NN0LxjseVibyvwdg8d9mSo1dDfDLgS1EttaN5JmUHEE+2sMSwiQiRiga4G tF1F9olRaf8c545nMo3f0DHlalPhwq3GTcD6s= Received: by 10.142.151.27 with SMTP id y27mr2569458wfd.229.1312654651032; Sat, 06 Aug 2011 11:17:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.142] (c-76-20-104-251.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [76.20.104.251]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y12sm819272wfg.22.2011.08.06.11.17.29 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 06 Aug 2011 11:17:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E3D8538.6050200@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 11:17:28 -0700 From: Robert Cole User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110617 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4E3D5E6E.2080204@the-brannons.com> <4E3D6B34.4000005@gmail.com> <4E3D721A.5040802@the-brannons.com> In-Reply-To: <4E3D721A.5040802@the-brannons.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] playing media streams in firefox? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 18:17:43 -0000 I just tried one of the links from tunein.com and it worked for me. I am using Firefox 5 in Linux MInt. On 08/06/2011 09:55 AM, Deedra Waters wrote: > Try tunein.com I'm using this on my android and can play it's streams, > was trying to use the website version which has listen links but can't > figure out what to play them with, near as i can tell the streams > differ between AAC mp3 and wma content.On 08/06/2011 11:26 AM, Robert > Cole wrote: >> could you direct me to one of the streams which you are trying to play? >> Maybe I can help you with this. If it is a stream which requires >> Silverlight, however, I do not think ti is really possible to play >> Silverlight content in Linux. >> >> On 08/06/2011 08:31 AM, Deedra Waters wrote: >>> Does anyone know how to do this? I've not figured this out, and seems >>> it either doesn't like playing those streams or mplayer is tediusly >>> picky which it can be.;p Are there other ways to play streams using >>> firefox? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at >> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Netiquette Guidelines are at >> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From nolan@thewordnerd.info Sat Aug 6 18:34:35 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C0D0750024 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2011 18:34:35 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NwdXnhkz+oD6 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2011 18:34:32 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 594 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at menubar.gnome.org; Sat, 06 Aug 2011 18:34:32 UTC Received: from thewordnerd.info (li53-161.members.linode.com [72.14.187.161]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DB8D7500D2 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2011 18:34:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.4] (cpe-72-179-53-110.austin.res.rr.com [72.179.53.110]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: nolan) by thewordnerd.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 46B49390012 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2011 18:24:25 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4E3D86D8.7020303@thewordnerd.info> Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 13:24:24 -0500 From: Nolan Darilek User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110627 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <000601cc5464$dcdaa080$968fe180$@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <000601cc5464$dcdaa080$968fe180$@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070408050501040601060407" Subject: Re: [orca-list] Ubuntu 11.10 and vmware player X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 18:34:35 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070408050501040601060407 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I actually tried this on 11.04 recently. The installer works fine, but VMWare Player doesn't seem to work well at all with Pulse. I always got warnings when launching VMs about sound not being available. I modified the script to run under padsp, but received errors that the PA libraries couldn't link--nothing more specific than that, unfortunately. So if someone has a way to run this under Pulse, do let me know. Google was no help. While this isn't strictly an accessibility issue, I figure most VMs will be inaccessible to us if we can't get sound running in them, and while the player itself may be quite accessible under Orca, I wouldn't want anyone else to waste their time if they actually expect it to make sound. On 08/06/2011 01:15 PM, Andy B wrote: > > Has anyone used Ubuntu 11.10 with vmware player? If so, how did the > vmware instant installer work? > > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp --------------070408050501040601060407 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I actually tried this on 11.04 recently. The installer works fine, but VMWare Player doesn't seem to work well at all with Pulse. I always got warnings when launching VMs about sound not being available. I modified the script to run under padsp, but received errors that the PA libraries couldn't link--nothing more specific than that, unfortunately.

So if someone has a way to run this under Pulse, do let me know. Google was no help. While this isn't strictly an accessibility issue, I figure most VMs will be inaccessible to us if we can't get sound running in them, and while the player itself may be quite accessible under Orca, I wouldn't want anyone else to waste their time if they actually expect it to make sound.


On 08/06/2011 01:15 PM, Andy B wrote:

Has anyone used Ubuntu 11.10 with vmware player? If so, how did the vmware instant installer work?



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--------------070408050501040601060407-- From steve.holmes88@gmail.com Sat Aug 6 18:49:01 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68FD77500AD for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2011 18:49:01 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.661 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.661 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FREEMAIL_REPLY=1.929, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 86vf96V8dSkw for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2011 18:48:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pz0-f41.google.com (mail-pz0-f41.google.com [209.85.210.41]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D19F2750024 for ; Sat, 6 Aug 2011 18:48:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk4 with SMTP id 4so4261227pzk.0 for ; Sat, 06 Aug 2011 11:48:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; bh=kasRRKWe9StlDo6stBwLEXZn1rpGSESxJFAxFKAFhVc=; b=f5lmJrstdfzsGLFO2/G9zM4GIvyQ5l2no+2xxC5TPLpFvqu8ZuIxI8PaIQZSs1j8Yi nf4lYOm13oz2uzC3K9UVRqYcjv2p22XybD177PH+kISmbrmbgAw32i2R+hejinC3DscX xXDKptChAy600OqHLiN55+xPH2ywpfmO2aZis= Received: by 10.142.248.36 with SMTP id v36mr822213wfh.414.1312656527503; Sat, 06 Aug 2011 11:48:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from linlap.wavecable.com (76-14-154-236.rk.wavecable.com [76.14.154.236]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k3sm4405113pbj.93.2011.08.06.11.48.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 06 Aug 2011 11:48:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 11:48:32 -0700 From: Steve Holmes To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110806184832.GA4380@linlap.wavecable.com> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4E3C1F77.4030609@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4E3C1F77.4030609@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] problem with Orca stopping when Firefox is closed X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 18:49:01 -0000 Can't say I've experienced anything like that. I've been able to start and stop Firefox freely any number of times without Orca quitting. I've had to restart Orca numerous times but that relates to different problems. I'm using gnome 3 on a current Arch Linux system using Orca from git master. On Fri, Aug 05, 2011 at 06:51:03PM +0200, Scott Berry wrote: > Hello there everyone, > > This has been a problem for a while nd it would be really coll to > solve this one. When a Firefox page is brought up and then closed > Orca stops speaking. In vinux with the special scripts you can get > Orca going again with Control+Alt+O. But this will only work > between 6 to eight times and then Orca almost freezes like and a > reboot is in order. How should I file this as a new bug or is there > a bug already open? > > > -- > Scott Berry > E-mail Address: scottbb1973@gmail.com > Repeater Book Admin for the following states: north and South > Dakota, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa > Computer Certs: MCP, A+ Certified > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From halim.sahin@t-online.de Sun Aug 7 08:22:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2289075009F for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 08:22:59 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.633 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.633 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.811, TW_VM=0.077, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 47AauFa9U+Z9 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 08:22:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailout04.t-online.de (mailout04.t-online.de [194.25.134.18]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B77BA75005B for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 08:22:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fwd00.aul.t-online.de (fwd00.aul.t-online.de ) by mailout04.t-online.de with smtp id 1Qpyd9-0005mx-4q; Sun, 07 Aug 2011 10:22:43 +0200 Received: from gentoo.local (SfW1S8ZS8hESxXlezVD8loT1HSkfvvqzhwmmJlB-SHxtl+L9LyjKrONLIwItnW8gLE@[91.34.31.76]) by fwd00.t-online.de with esmtp id 1Qpyd7-1L2Ugy0; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 10:22:41 +0200 Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 10:22:33 +0200 From: Halim Sahin To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110807082233.GA12169@gentoo.local> References: <000601cc5464$dcdaa080$968fe180$@gmail.com> <4E3D86D8.7020303@thewordnerd.info> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4E3D86D8.7020303@thewordnerd.info> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-ID: SfW1S8ZS8hESxXlezVD8loT1HSkfvvqzhwmmJlB-SHxtl+L9LyjKrONLIwItnW8gLE X-TOI-MSGID: 9c289177-73a5-47f3-99ea-d68a1813b5df Subject: Re: [orca-list] Ubuntu 11.10 and vmware player X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 08:22:59 -0000 Hi Nolan, Other vms can use pulse directly like kvm and virtualbox. But kvm needs virtualisation support with in your cpu. For vmplayer try the folowing: 1. cp /etc/pulse/default.pa ~/.pulse 2. edit ~/.pulse/default.pa and load the alsa module manualy by removing the '#' from the line: #load-module module-alsa-sink 3. aditionaly add load-module module-alsa-sink device=dmix After reboot, pulse shouldn't block the audio hardware by using alsa's mix plugin. Now you can start vmplayer using aoss which redirects oss sound to alsa. HTH. Halim From chmiel@deep.cz Sun Aug 7 08:38:37 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A99A875005B for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 08:38:37 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xA7iYdFxNEWS for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 08:38:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-out3.iol.cz (smtp-out3.iol.cz [194.228.2.91]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8DB875002C for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 08:38:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from antivir5.iol.cz (unknown [192.168.30.212]) by smtp-out3.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F7DDBC9C17 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 08:38:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (antivir5.iol.cz [127.0.0.1]) by antivir5.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EA071E805B for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 10:38:24 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at iol.cz Received: from antivir5.iol.cz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (antivir5.iol.cz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10224) with LMTP id Ia4ywYmfYi+I for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 10:38:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from port1.iol.cz (unknown [192.168.30.91]) by antivir5.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 048521E8031 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 10:38:24 +0200 (CEST) X-SBRS: None X-SBRS-none: None X-RECVLIST: MTA-OUT-IOL X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AnsOABdOPk5asFO7/2dsb2JhbAAMNoVAkx+RfUA9FgQUAwIBAgEbPQgCwVOGRgSTApBq Received: from 187.83.broadband9.iol.cz (HELO [10.0.0.2]) ([90.176.83.187]) by port1.iol.cz with ESMTP; 07 Aug 2011 10:38:23 +0200 Message-ID: <4E3E4EF6.1010304@deep.cz> Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 10:38:14 +0200 From: "Mgr. Janusz Chmiel" Organization: Prodeep o.s User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110706 Firefox/5.0 SeaMonkey/2.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Orca included with Ubuntu Naty narval does not support live regions annoucement by using Orca modifier+function keys X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 08:38:37 -0000 Dear core developers of Orca, I would like to valuably varn You, that Orca included in Ubuntu Naty Narval does'nt support The live regions announcement activated by pressing Orca modifier key+function keys. So user can not repeat himself The informaztion contained in The some of The live regions. Live regions are being announcing automatically correctly, but function Orca modifier+function keys is not working at all. While using Firefox included with Ubuntu Naty Narval. Orca 2.32.1 is supporting this feature. MR Jason White tried to show me The chatroom which is supporting ARIA live regions, but this chatroom is showing me only pass1, pass2 words aftertriing to access The demo of this chat room. So if anybody of us knows about free even chat room accessible after registration, which can support Aria live regions, please let me know.-- Mgr. Janusz Chmiel ARIA live regions are for example fully supported on The following Czech TV WEB site. www.ct24.cz Orca is able to automatically announce The live regions. ANd i think, that this WEB site is using ARIA live regions. I would like to know, how many live regions can one WEB page use, if there is some limit, for example, 10 live regions is The limit. May be, that become The time to think about developing chatroom, which would support ARIA live regions. So The message of every user can have assigned one live regions. But if there is limit 10 live regions for example, my dream can not become true. From luchyanus@gmail.com Sun Aug 7 13:41:32 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63BC8750096 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 13:41:32 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HA60NPss8SDC for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 13:41:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67C21750089 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 13:41:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk28 with SMTP id 28so340628gxk.27 for ; Sun, 07 Aug 2011 06:41:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=G7ESl2uE51EZyhOZ49u/Sn8ami1A5OGAr97xxiu3RQY=; b=xUc2P9wAi6lBbcoeeS4fehchN1zhLVRu9LR4hi/161joGo6a7YprYq8tsqpu6LD/Ie /Y0NkxYkjPvv5DJUbH7mS5IDiGvMN7cFLU3H1GMuiqssiYFsH3YT9vpQVdObo09aBShF yl4kCwi0Z/0dwk4FvENRnhxE5WEm+1kXkB5fg= Received: by 10.91.5.24 with SMTP id h24mr3543415agi.204.1312724480407; Sun, 07 Aug 2011 06:41:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.202.81.8] (189001136239.usr.predialnet.com.br [189.1.136.239]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o11sm1770939anh.49.2011.08.07.06.41.18 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 07 Aug 2011 06:41:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E3E95FC.80804@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 10:41:16 -0300 From: Luciano de Souza User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.14) Gecko/20110223 Thunderbird/3.1.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Radios, Youtube and blogs X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 13:41:32 -0000 Hi all, I have been using Orca for a year. I don't know the Orca's age, but it's obvious the hard work of developers. From that time to Orca 2.91.92, the version I use, the improvements are really wonderful. Ubuntu has replaced Windows in my daily activities. However, as far as I use it, more and more needs come up. Yes, the first step is the usage, but the second is sofisticate this usage. In this message, I ask about some tasks that I could not do so easily as in Windows: 1. Listening radios Radios are everywhere in Internet, but it's not easy to find them, to connect them and navigate in their websites. In Windows, I had Tapinradio. I could find radios for coutries, styles and other tags. Only a few commands were needed to listen, record, schedule tasks on radios of a large database. Having arrived at Linux world, I tried Stream Tuner. I was able to listen only pre-selected radios. I couldn't find radios by contry and I really could'nt do listen anything I wanted. Was someone more successful than me? Does someone know another friendly desktop application for this purpose? 2. Downloading Youtube videos By means of Youtube, I have been learning more of playing guitar. In Windows, I downloaded videos by a desktop tool and convert them to mp3. Having saved them in a movable device, I could listen some llessons more confortably. using Linux and Orca, how to download and convert Youtube videos to mp3? 3. Updating blogs Of course, I can do it by browser interface, but if there is a desktop application to do it for Google or Hotmail blogs, it would be certainly more confortable. The navigation in internet with Orca is not so confortable yet. Wehn a link is found, a delay occurs; we can't press ctrl+arrows to navigate among blocks of links and, in my computer, even though not so often as previously, but Orca is still crashing in web tasks. Desktop applications are more confortable than web applications in the sense that custom keystrokes are available and desktop is more confortable almost by definition. Therefore, I ask: are there desktop tools to update blogs? Regards, Luciano From chmiel@deep.cz Sun Aug 7 13:57:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB579750096 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 13:57:10 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8qfGFZ1KJ35j for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 13:57:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-out4.iol.cz (smtp-out4.iol.cz [194.228.2.92]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D39875005F for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 13:56:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from antivir6.iol.cz (unknown [192.168.30.215]) by smtp-out4.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8F6ECE6174; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 13:56:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (antivir6.iol.cz [127.0.0.1]) by antivir6.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94423720051; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 15:56:56 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at iol.cz Received: from antivir6.iol.cz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (antivir6.iol.cz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10224) with LMTP id rzBrMz+8xlmK; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 15:56:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from port6.iol.cz (unknown [192.168.30.96]) by antivir6.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 667B8720036; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 15:56:56 +0200 (CEST) X-SBRS: None X-SBRS-none: None X-RECVLIST: MTA-OUT-IOL X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlkLADCYPk5asFO7/2dsb2JhbAAMNoVApF4BAQEBAgEBAQE1NQEKAQULCyEWDwkDAgECARUGHAENBg0BBQICF4dSBLkIhkYEkwKJb4Z7 Received: from 187.83.broadband9.iol.cz (HELO [10.0.0.2]) ([90.176.83.187]) by port6.iol.cz with ESMTP; 07 Aug 2011 15:56:56 +0200 Message-ID: <4E3E99A0.2000701@deep.cz> Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 15:56:48 +0200 From: "Mgr. Janusz Chmiel" Organization: Prodeep o.s User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110706 Firefox/5.0 SeaMonkey/2.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Luciano de Souza References: <4E3E95FC.80804@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4E3E95FC.80804@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Radios, Youtube and blogs X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 13:57:10 -0000 Luciano de Souza napsal(a): > Hi all, > > I have been using Orca for a year. I don't know the Orca's age, but > it's obvious the hard work of developers. From that time to Orca > 2.91.92, the version I use, the improvements are really wonderful. > > Ubuntu has replaced Windows in my daily activities. However, as far as > I use it, more and more needs come up. Yes, the first step is the > usage, but the second is sofisticate this usage. In this message, I > ask about some tasks that I could not do so easily as in Windows: > > 1. Listening radios > Radios are everywhere in Internet, but it's not easy to find them, to > connect them and navigate in their websites. In Windows, I had > Tapinradio. I could find radios for coutries, styles and other tags. > Only a few commands were needed to listen, record, schedule tasks on > radios of a large database. > Having arrived at Linux world, I tried Stream Tuner. I was able to > listen only pre-selected radios. I couldn't find radios by contry and > I really could'nt do listen anything I wanted. > Was someone more successful than me? Does someone know another > friendly desktop application for this purpose? > > 2. Downloading Youtube videos > By means of Youtube, I have been learning more of playing guitar. In > Windows, I downloaded videos by a desktop tool and convert them to > mp3. Having saved them in a movable device, I could listen some > llessons more confortably. > using Linux and Orca, how to download and convert Youtube videos to mp3? > > 3. Updating blogs > Of course, I can do it by browser interface, but if there is a desktop > application to do it for Google or Hotmail blogs, it would be > certainly more confortable. > The navigation in internet with Orca is not so confortable yet. Wehn a > link is found, a delay occurs; we can't press ctrl+arrows to navigate > among blocks of links and, in my computer, even though not so often > as previously, but Orca is still crashing in web tasks. Desktop > applications are more confortable than web applications in the sense > that custom keystrokes are available and desktop is more confortable > almost by definition. > Therefore, I ask: are there desktop tools to update blogs? > > > Regards, > > Luciano > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > Dear syr, I can offer You The solution for listening Internet Radios. I unfortunately do not know about GTK based accessible Internet radio player/recorder application similar to TApin Radio for Windows. But i can offer You The WEB site with many Internet radios, sure, not so many like in Tapin Radio. http://www.listenlive.eu/ You will need The Gnome-mplayer installed. In some cases also Totem Movie player. I have found out, that Best support for plaiing multimedia streamed by using Internet is build in Debian live Gnome, latest stable release. The time between connection To The server and time, when playback starts is very short. From tamara.8024@comcast.net Sun Aug 7 15:55:03 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D4F375005F for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 15:55:03 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.811, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oCIMsi8lwbSb for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 15:55:01 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 303 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at menubar.gnome.org; Sun, 07 Aug 2011 15:55:00 UTC Received: from qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.24]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E19A875000B for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 15:54:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta20.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.87]) by qmta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id HToC1h0051smiN4A2TpkNP; Sun, 07 Aug 2011 15:49:44 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.18] ([76.115.112.13]) by omta20.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id HTpk1h00y0HPrVG8gTplGu; Sun, 07 Aug 2011 15:49:45 +0000 From: Tami Kinney To: orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <4E3E99A0.2000701@deep.cz> References: <4E3E95FC.80804@gmail.com> <4E3E99A0.2000701@deep.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 08:49:45 -0700 Message-ID: <1312732185.2268.8.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Audiobooks X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 15:55:03 -0000 Hi, all, I'm an Orca newbie running Ubuntu 11.04. My prior Unix/Linux experience is so long ago, I might as well be a Linux newbie, but I'm having fun getting back into it and discovering all the cool new stuff while I"m getting up to speed with Orca. I'm spending a lot of time learning how to problem-solve myself while reading about what the rest of you are doing. Meanwhile, I want to take time out to read my audiobooks, but I like to listen to them at a higher speed... I'm using Banshee for playing music files, but I haven't found a plug in to allow me to increase play speed. There seem to be a couple of programs for Linux to do that, but I can't tell yet which ones would work with Orca. Is anyone else using a media player that will enable them to increase the playback speed for audiobooks with Orca? Any information will be appreciated. Tami From steve.holmes88@gmail.com Sun Aug 7 16:04:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF5FC75005F for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 16:04:00 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.59 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.59 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fdh0mdN6Oeit for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 16:03:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pz0-f41.google.com (mail-pz0-f41.google.com [209.85.210.41]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11EDF75000B for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 16:03:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk4 with SMTP id 4so1016086pzk.0 for ; Sun, 07 Aug 2011 09:03:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; bh=QQz0mPkBAe21Aa6AgZBsXD+bx8XAViQho6w/PhDcXRc=; b=emcW+R3LzG9iJAz49iAx+QCZR05DWqIKICsAvOV7But+88PtuCUU9yDE4JOWth5YMk v8p42hndwV5k3tDn4nyfHAPRnyzKaguWeLcV8RXgWqRqKMRFL9y/qAl6BLC2tdMsOBSU +a234T9Vw2VNRtJOvvl41nujqwx0LhuNr/L/8= Received: by 10.142.247.34 with SMTP id u34mr4796145wfh.427.1312733028040; Sun, 07 Aug 2011 09:03:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from linlap.wavecable.com (76-14-154-236.rk.wavecable.com [76.14.154.236]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v1sm3433215pbg.95.2011.08.07.09.03.47 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 07 Aug 2011 09:03:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 09:03:33 -0700 From: Steve Holmes To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110807160333.GA12634@linlap.wavecable.com> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4E3E95FC.80804@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4E3E95FC.80804@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Radios, Youtube and blogs X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 16:04:01 -0000 I'll at least try and address item #2 below. There is a package called youtube-dl which will do just that; it is a command line tool that you can run from the shell and you pass the youtube video's address and it will download the program and create an MP3 of the file. For blogging, I have used an emacs mode to help with reading and writing to most any blog. I haven't used it for some while now so forget some of the more important details. If you are really interested, let me know privately as this isn't an Orca thing but I could look into it further and give you details if you want. On Sun, Aug 07, 2011 at 10:41:16AM -0300, Luciano de Souza wrote: > Hi all, > > I have been using Orca for a year. I don't know the Orca's age, but > it's obvious the hard work of developers. From that time to Orca > 2.91.92, the version I use, the improvements are really wonderful. > > Ubuntu has replaced Windows in my daily activities. However, as far > as I use it, more and more needs come up. Yes, the first step is the > usage, but the second is sofisticate this usage. In this message, I > ask about some tasks that I could not do so easily as in Windows: > > 1. Listening radios > Radios are everywhere in Internet, but it's not easy to find them, > to connect them and navigate in their websites. In Windows, I had > Tapinradio. I could find radios for coutries, styles and other tags. > Only a few commands were needed to listen, record, schedule tasks on > radios of a large database. > Having arrived at Linux world, I tried Stream Tuner. I was able to > listen only pre-selected radios. I couldn't find radios by contry > and I really could'nt do listen anything I wanted. > Was someone more successful than me? Does someone know another > friendly desktop application for this purpose? > > 2. Downloading Youtube videos > By means of Youtube, I have been learning more of playing guitar. In > Windows, I downloaded videos by a desktop tool and convert them to > mp3. Having saved them in a movable device, I could listen some > llessons more confortably. > using Linux and Orca, how to download and convert Youtube videos to mp3? > > 3. Updating blogs > Of course, I can do it by browser interface, but if there is a > desktop application to do it for Google or Hotmail blogs, it would > be certainly more confortable. > The navigation in internet with Orca is not so confortable yet. Wehn > a link is found, a delay occurs; we can't press ctrl+arrows to > navigate among blocks of links and, in my computer, even though not > so often as previously, but Orca is still crashing in web tasks. > Desktop applications are more confortable than web applications in > the sense that custom keystrokes are available and desktop is more > confortable almost by definition. > Therefore, I ask: are there desktop tools to update blogs? > > > Regards, > > Luciano > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From thomasward1978@gmail.com Sun Aug 7 17:20:49 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31D6875000B for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 17:20:49 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HQR9fAWUmReN for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 17:20:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com (mail-iy0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13CBB75000A for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 17:20:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iye7 with SMTP id 7so7185622iye.3 for ; Sun, 07 Aug 2011 10:20:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=tZoJUmhaJQL0lLhmGkpXbeKCn0sN99a2YjPTWmp/lPI=; b=nW5AzHNpW6Ry4mESxWqYIGqDa4uK7ell7sZJmpP/PyRfLbS32BlsooSuXE2vcmrgIu g1miCEcVHYsGJUyJWS4WJNlk65B59o9Gwd7fs2WijxHszH3H38jSlAD1dizT3Uwt/MWa 5Tf4WUffNuG7/hz1tTvwe2gs33WlmaaToZeHI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.155.66 with SMTP id t2mr5312454icw.137.1312737635875; Sun, 07 Aug 2011 10:20:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.39.194 with HTTP; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 10:20:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1312732185.2268.8.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> References: <4E3E95FC.80804@gmail.com> <4E3E99A0.2000701@deep.cz> <1312732185.2268.8.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 13:20:35 -0400 Message-ID: From: Thomas Ward To: orca-list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Audiobooks X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 17:20:49 -0000 Hi Tami, Well, I don't know about a media player per say, but you can certainly open the mp3, ogg, or whatever format you are using in Audacity and then go to the effects menu and change the speed or use the speech compressor option, and resave the book at your favorite speed. To install Audacity, if you haven't already done so, is do "sudo apt-get install audacity" from the terminal and apt-get will fetch Audacity and install it. Also you might want to install lame as well if you are working with mp3s. HTH On 8/7/11, Tami Kinney wrote: > Hi, all, > > I'm an Orca newbie running Ubuntu 11.04. My prior Unix/Linux experience > is so long ago, I might as well be a Linux newbie, but I'm having fun > getting back into it and discovering all the cool new stuff while I"m > getting up to speed with Orca. I'm spending a lot of time learning how > to problem-solve myself while reading about what the rest of you are > doing. > > Meanwhile, I want to take time out to read my audiobooks, but I like to > listen to them at a higher speed... I'm using Banshee for playing music > files, but I haven't found a plug in to allow me to increase play speed. > There seem to be a couple of programs for Linux to do that, but I can't > tell yet which ones would work with Orca. > > Is anyone else using a media player that will enable them to increase > the playback speed for audiobooks with Orca? Any information will be > appreciated. > > Tami > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > From guyster104@att.net Sun Aug 7 17:25:40 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1531C75000B for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 17:25:40 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.801 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.801 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EZRvh+DSPTWc for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 17:25:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm25-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm25-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.213.156]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 042CA75000A for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 17:25:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.212.153] by nm25.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2011 17:25:28 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.50] by tm10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2011 17:25:28 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp103.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2011 17:25:28 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1312737928; bh=FrEICu0aDURpCQfzsCrUw0nwtu8lxY3bPOgtZtqSdqQ=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=ucdDF3hdjdAucSISKrNrs9UevnX2O0CZvTl1ydjK51Ikyews9usCpumYo+QRmCfnfLJAyFEzvOC4g1TVawh/9FsRLcl+IvaFy5sdX5ylvwh/uGzSoE9kt6yz45TDxhWanwF0RBQ5wL0GaTd5J0yVd01qcivXhWChNZc8evsnO2g= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 202224.55216.bm@smtp103.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 95U0UkoVM1khfhEZ4ZWvKrru8X0OpYsqCvqPEqPTqVICqTu ndyTi4DrxkMv3F5WY85B7LNexysyUxYr2_cBoFRtgrCxuYjMyATVuYLyYFL4 FbWvdy7pzb0RcV3xlom6AGzFoAdYLzXmVzVnQE5wKJhDrWjWsFQLLW55aqti YmmmsBX0AGkVCormyr94RPGFes0oEMOZbS.fL1kd2ELnYci12YywcQSlGl16 0DQgAAwiNMpQoAHaiKVe.8e7zcZukurYI_nn3gM1xB8KTJqS_eUXKFA6f1Kh Y3fL67ewcKOaPjCyUAEauiNUzJFUHtRrFnSYn35_3nAaDlI_2D6yUUADMO_U _2JsU1iUo5awLv3jLGksgAG4uKc37chNCN8dP_hKokuK1aiQ- X-Yahoo-SMTP: tZeW1wWswBBWD7GBMvzI5Q0mBhWAmnxdydQa7OxIGQ-- Received: from [192.168.1.4] (guyster104@72.241.162.115 with plain) by smtp103.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 07 Aug 2011 10:25:28 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <4E3ECA87.4040500@att.net> Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 13:25:27 -0400 From: Guy Schlosser User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0.1pre) Gecko/20110411 Thunderbird/3.3a4pre MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Orca list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] test X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 17:25:40 -0000 Please disregard, just a test to see if my E-mail is working. Haven't received anything from list in quite a while. Thanks, Guy From covici@ccs.covici.com Sun Aug 7 18:05:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 455767501A1 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 18:05:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6omM8g1Uf9i4 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 18:05:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail0101.smtp25.com (mail0101.smtp25.com [67.228.8.101]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54117750146 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 18:05:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ccs.covici.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ccs.covici.com (8.14.5/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p77I5N3u025894; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 14:05:26 -0400 To: Tami Kinney In-reply-to: <1312732185.2268.8.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> References: <4E3E95FC.80804@gmail.com> <4E3E99A0.2000701@deep.cz> <1312732185.2268.8.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> Comments: In-reply-to Tami Kinney message dated "Sun, 07 Aug 2011 08:49:45 -0700." X-Mailer: MH-E 8.2; nmh 1.3; GNU Emacs 23.3.1 Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 14:05:23 -0400 Message-ID: <25893.1312740323@ccs.covici.com> From: covici@ccs.covici.com X-SpamH-Filter: y-out0.smtp25.com-p77I5R3C023192 Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Audiobooks X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 18:05:48 -0000 mplayer will do it, although it changes the pitch. Tami Kinney wrote: > Hi, all, > > I'm an Orca newbie running Ubuntu 11.04. My prior Unix/Linux experience > is so long ago, I might as well be a Linux newbie, but I'm having fun > getting back into it and discovering all the cool new stuff while I"m > getting up to speed with Orca. I'm spending a lot of time learning how > to problem-solve myself while reading about what the rest of you are > doing. > > Meanwhile, I want to take time out to read my audiobooks, but I like to > listen to them at a higher speed... I'm using Banshee for playing music > files, but I haven't found a plug in to allow me to increase play speed. > There seem to be a couple of programs for Linux to do that, but I can't > tell yet which ones would work with Orca. > > Is anyone else using a media player that will enable them to increase > the playback speed for audiobooks with Orca? Any information will be > appreciated. > > Tami > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici covici@ccs.covici.com From tamara.8024@comcast.net Sun Aug 7 19:24:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCC5075005F for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 19:24:13 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.811, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sP+h4vC9roTq for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 19:24:11 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 303 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at menubar.gnome.org; Sun, 07 Aug 2011 19:24:10 UTC Received: from qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.211]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC2FE75000B for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 19:24:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.19]) by qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id HXFd1h0060QkzPwABXJuBc; Sun, 07 Aug 2011 19:18:54 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.18] ([76.115.112.13]) by omta02.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id HXJt1h00g0HPrVG8NXJtzv; Sun, 07 Aug 2011 19:18:53 +0000 From: Tami Kinney To: orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: References: <4E3E95FC.80804@gmail.com> <4E3E99A0.2000701@deep.cz> <1312732185.2268.8.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 12:18:55 -0700 Message-ID: <1312744735.2601.0.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Audiobooks X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 19:24:14 -0000 Thanks! I'd seen Audacity but wasn't sure... Now I've got it and have an exciting new toy to play with. /smile/ On Sun, 2011-08-07 at 13:20 -0400, Thomas Ward wrote: > Hi Tami, > > Well, I don't know about a media player per say, but you can certainly > open the mp3, ogg, or whatever format you are using in Audacity and > then go to the effects menu and change the speed or use the speech > compressor option, and resave the book at your favorite speed. > > To install Audacity, if you haven't already done so, is do > "sudo apt-get install audacity" > from the terminal and apt-get will fetch Audacity and install it. > Also you might want to install lame as well if you are working with > mp3s. > > HTH > > > On 8/7/11, Tami Kinney wrote: > > Hi, all, > > > > I'm an Orca newbie running Ubuntu 11.04. My prior Unix/Linux experience > > is so long ago, I might as well be a Linux newbie, but I'm having fun > > getting back into it and discovering all the cool new stuff while I"m > > getting up to speed with Orca. I'm spending a lot of time learning how > > to problem-solve myself while reading about what the rest of you are > > doing. > > > > Meanwhile, I want to take time out to read my audiobooks, but I like to > > listen to them at a higher speed... I'm using Banshee for playing music > > files, but I haven't found a plug in to allow me to increase play speed. > > There seem to be a couple of programs for Linux to do that, but I can't > > tell yet which ones would work with Orca. > > > > Is anyone else using a media player that will enable them to increase > > the playback speed for audiobooks with Orca? Any information will be > > appreciated. > > > > Tami > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > orca-list mailing list > > orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > > The manual is at > > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > > Netiquette Guidelines are at > > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From rkcole72984@gmail.com Sun Aug 7 19:47:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2191275005F for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 19:47:05 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.589 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.589 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JrQH7wwYw1o6 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 19:47:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pz0-f41.google.com (mail-pz0-f41.google.com [209.85.210.41]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB2A275000B for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 19:46:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk4 with SMTP id 4so1231900pzk.0 for ; Sun, 07 Aug 2011 12:46:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type; bh=Giedmj0a0HSFHsRbvzqOO8nG2NDcHbidY9jyCXPKjU0=; b=jERXP2KwWe9YhLez9kbIF7OfSf9eWGmtd1x3Ucp4+qoLMMbOZad/k7LHJJiNaolfPk 5n3iIcMvdVbVDiyQTmu2+b+Dd8uRY18f9vc5PsLT0zuKnA/NQ4JW68Bfvxy1UdnibzWJ /MdM/Pz3RNqcroyaZIZiER8wsAsLjQNFrfwZU= Received: by 10.143.62.18 with SMTP id p18mr5098722wfk.244.1312746409427; Sun, 07 Aug 2011 12:46:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.142] (c-76-20-104-251.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [76.20.104.251]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i2sm2370493wfd.20.2011.08.07.12.46.47 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 07 Aug 2011 12:46:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E3EEBA6.8090707@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 12:46:46 -0700 From: Robert Cole User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110617 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4E3E95FC.80804@gmail.com> <4E3E99A0.2000701@deep.cz> <1312732185.2268.8.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> <1312744735.2601.0.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> In-Reply-To: <1312744735.2601.0.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040209050902060304020001" Subject: Re: [orca-list] Audiobooks X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 19:47:05 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040209050902060304020001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If I remember correctly, I believe that there is a plugin for Audacious (a lightweight audio player) which allows for speeding up of an audio file. When I get some time, I'll have to check it out a little more in-depth and let you know. On 08/07/2011 12:18 PM, Tami Kinney wrote: > Thanks! I'd seen Audacity but wasn't sure... Now I've got it and have an > exciting new toy to play with./smile/ > > On Sun, 2011-08-07 at 13:20 -0400, Thomas Ward wrote: >> > Hi Tami, >> > >> > Well, I don't know about a media player per say, but you can certainly >> > open the mp3, ogg, or whatever format you are using in Audacity and >> > then go to the effects menu and change the speed or use the speech >> > compressor option, and resave the book at your favorite speed. >> > >> > To install Audacity, if you haven't already done so, is do >> > "sudo apt-get install audacity" >> > from the terminal and apt-get will fetch Audacity and install it. >> > Also you might want to install lame as well if you are working with >> > mp3s. >> > >> > HTH >> > >> > >> > On 8/7/11, Tami Kinney wrote: >>> > > Hi, all, >>> > > >>> > > I'm an Orca newbie running Ubuntu 11.04. My prior Unix/Linux experience >>> > > is so long ago, I might as well be a Linux newbie, but I'm having fun >>> > > getting back into it and discovering all the cool new stuff while I"m >>> > > getting up to speed with Orca. I'm spending a lot of time learning how >>> > > to problem-solve myself while reading about what the rest of you are >>> > > doing. >>> > > >>> > > Meanwhile, I want to take time out to read my audiobooks, but I like to >>> > > listen to them at a higher speed... I'm using Banshee for playing music >>> > > files, but I haven't found a plug in to allow me to increase play speed. >>> > > There seem to be a couple of programs for Linux to do that, but I can't >>> > > tell yet which ones would work with Orca. >>> > > >>> > > Is anyone else using a media player that will enable them to increase >>> > > the playback speed for audiobooks with Orca? Any information will be >>> > > appreciated. >>> > > >>> > > Tami >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > orca-list mailing list >>> > > orca-list@gnome.org >>> > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> > > Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>> > > The manual is at >>> > > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>> > > The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>> > > Netiquette Guidelines are at >>> > > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>> > > Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org >>> > > Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >>> > > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > orca-list mailing list >> > orca-list@gnome.org >> > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> > Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> > The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> > The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> > Netiquette Guidelines are athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> > Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org >> > Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp --------------040209050902060304020001 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If I remember correctly, I believe that there is a plugin for Audacious (a lightweight audio player) which allows for speeding up of an audio file. When I get some time, I'll have to check it out a little more in-depth and let you know.

On 08/07/2011 12:18 PM, Tami Kinney wrote: 
Thanks! I'd seen Audacity but wasn't sure... Now I've got it and have an
exciting new toy to play with. /smile/ 

On Sun, 2011-08-07 at 13:20 -0400, Thomas Ward wrote: 

> Hi Tami,
> 
> Well, I don't know about a media player per say, but you can certainly
> open the mp3, ogg, or whatever format you are using in Audacity and
> then go to the effects menu and change the speed or use the speech
> compressor option, and resave the book at your favorite speed.
> 
> To install Audacity, if you haven't already done so, is do
> "sudo apt-get install audacity"
>  from the terminal and apt-get will fetch Audacity and install it.
> Also you might want to install lame as well if you are working with
> mp3s.
> 
> HTH
> 
> 
> On 8/7/11, Tami Kinney <tamara.8024@comcast.net> wrote:

> > Hi, all,
> >
> > I'm an Orca newbie running Ubuntu 11.04. My prior Unix/Linux experience
> > is so long ago, I might as well be a Linux newbie, but I'm having fun
> > getting back into it and discovering all the cool new stuff while I"m
> > getting up to speed with Orca. I'm spending a lot of time learning how
> > to problem-solve myself while reading about what the rest of you are
> > doing.
> >
> > Meanwhile, I want to take time out to read my audiobooks, but I like to
> > listen to them at a higher speed... I'm using Banshee for playing music
> > files, but I haven't found a plug in to allow me to increase play speed.
> > There seem to be a couple of programs for Linux to do that, but I can't
> > tell yet which ones would work with Orca.
> >
> > Is anyone else using a media player that will enable them to increase
> > the playback speed for audiobooks with Orca? Any information will be
> > appreciated.
> >
> > Tami
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > orca-list mailing list
> > orca-list@gnome.org
> > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> > The manual is at
> > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> > Netiquette Guidelines are at
> > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines
> > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
> >

> _______________________________________________
> orca-list mailing list
> orca-list@gnome.org
> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines
> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list@gnome.org
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

--------------040209050902060304020001-- From linuxx64.bashsh@gmail.com Sun Aug 7 19:48:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC04275005F for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 19:48:10 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.689 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.689 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4sW6AJTW95P6 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 19:48:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com (mail-iy0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD23E75000B for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 19:47:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iye7 with SMTP id 7so7391352iye.3 for ; Sun, 07 Aug 2011 12:47:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type; bh=CzKIaGhGRuDKE2XqrVEFZUPGb3qYoPFH/gSSHJox8dI=; b=LyQPaDyRM0gqF569i/EqiKQyaaHvkr4A/fKPVCLj3+TqyhqFHTt5KRYQ9yvUWP8MII iRUQY/DM8F3f/v3RtB0cC8W6+Aim+yMudKDHT5AkBb/GMdtGWX6ZAj2j9eeFqI63S6cf aqlFGEyfjR8xr18fVXLnyNrrsA+RgKvmIx+4w= Received: by 10.42.139.2 with SMTP id e2mr4442723icu.237.1312746476966; Sun, 07 Aug 2011 12:47:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.68] (99-53-108-47.lightspeed.ypslmi.sbcglobal.net [99.53.108.47]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n18sm1976898ibg.18.2011.08.07.12.47.55 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 07 Aug 2011 12:47:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E3EEC0F.8040305@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 15:48:31 -0400 From: "Alex H." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4E3E95FC.80804@gmail.com> <4E3E99A0.2000701@deep.cz> <1312732185.2268.8.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> <1312744735.2601.0.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> <4E3EEBA6.8090707@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4E3EEBA6.8090707@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010502000006090206060808" Subject: Re: [orca-list] Audiobooks X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 19:48:11 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010502000006090206060808 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is VLC accessible to Orca? That has functions to speed/slow audio. alex On 8/7/2011 3:46 PM, Robert Cole wrote: > If I remember correctly, I believe that there is a plugin for > Audacious (a lightweight audio player) which allows for speeding up of > an audio file. When I get some time, I'll have to check it out a > little more in-depth and let you know. > > On 08/07/2011 12:18 PM, Tami Kinney wrote: >> Thanks! I'd seen Audacity but wasn't sure... Now I've got it and have an >> exciting new toy to play with.//smile// >> >> On Sun, 2011-08-07 at 13:20 -0400, Thomas Ward wrote: >>> > Hi Tami, >>> > >>> > Well, I don't know about a media player per say, but you can certainly >>> > open the mp3, ogg, or whatever format you are using in Audacity and >>> > then go to the effects menu and change the speed or use the speech >>> > compressor option, and resave the book at your favorite speed. >>> > >>> > To install Audacity, if you haven't already done so, is do >>> > "sudo apt-get install audacity" >>> > from the terminal and apt-get will fetch Audacity and install it. >>> > Also you might want to install lame as well if you are working with >>> > mp3s. >>> > >>> > HTH >>> > >>> > >>> > On 8/7/11, Tami Kinney wrote: >>>> > > Hi, all, >>>> > > >>>> > > I'm an Orca newbie running Ubuntu 11.04. My prior Unix/Linux experience >>>> > > is so long ago, I might as well be a Linux newbie, but I'm having fun >>>> > > getting back into it and discovering all the cool new stuff while I"m >>>> > > getting up to speed with Orca. I'm spending a lot of time learning how >>>> > > to problem-solve myself while reading about what the rest of you are >>>> > > doing. >>>> > > >>>> > > Meanwhile, I want to take time out to read my audiobooks, but I like to >>>> > > listen to them at a higher speed... I'm using Banshee for playing music >>>> > > files, but I haven't found a plug in to allow me to increase play speed. >>>> > > There seem to be a couple of programs for Linux to do that, but I can't >>>> > > tell yet which ones would work with Orca. >>>> > > >>>> > > Is anyone else using a media player that will enable them to increase >>>> > > the playback speed for audiobooks with Orca? Any information will be >>>> > > appreciated. >>>> > > >>>> > > Tami >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > _______________________________________________ >>>> > > orca-list mailing list >>>> > > orca-list@gnome.org >>>> > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> > > Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>>> > > The manual is at >>>> > > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>>> > > The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>>> > > Netiquette Guidelines are at >>>> > > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>>> > > Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>> > > Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >>>> > > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > orca-list mailing list >>> > orca-list@gnome.org >>> > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> > Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>> > The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>> > The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>> > Netiquette Guidelines are athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>> > Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org >>> > Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Netiquette Guidelines are athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp -- Sent via Thunderbird. --------------010502000006090206060808 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is VLC accessible to Orca? That has functions to speed/slow audio.

alex

On 8/7/2011 3:46 PM, Robert Cole wrote:
If I remember correctly, I believe that there is a plugin for Audacious (a lightweight audio player) which allows for speeding up of an audio file. When I get some time, I'll have to check it out a little more in-depth and let you know.

On 08/07/2011 12:18 PM, Tami Kinney wrote: 
Thanks! I'd seen Audacity but wasn't sure... Now I've got it and have an
exciting new toy to play with. /smile/ 

On Sun, 2011-08-07 at 13:20 -0400, Thomas Ward wrote: 

> Hi Tami,
> 
> Well, I don't know about a media player per say, but you can certainly
> open the mp3, ogg, or whatever format you are using in Audacity and
> then go to the effects menu and change the speed or use the speech
> compressor option, and resave the book at your favorite speed.
> 
> To install Audacity, if you haven't already done so, is do
> "sudo apt-get install audacity"
>  from the terminal and apt-get will fetch Audacity and install it.
> Also you might want to install lame as well if you are working with
> mp3s.
> 
> HTH
> 
> 
> On 8/7/11, Tami Kinney <tamara.8024@comcast.net> wrote:

> > Hi, all,
> >
> > I'm an Orca newbie running Ubuntu 11.04. My prior Unix/Linux experience
> > is so long ago, I might as well be a Linux newbie, but I'm having fun
> > getting back into it and discovering all the cool new stuff while I"m
> > getting up to speed with Orca. I'm spending a lot of time learning how
> > to problem-solve myself while reading about what the rest of you are
> > doing.
> >
> > Meanwhile, I want to take time out to read my audiobooks, but I like to
> > listen to them at a higher speed... I'm using Banshee for playing music
> > files, but I haven't found a plug in to allow me to increase play speed.
> > There seem to be a couple of programs for Linux to do that, but I can't
> > tell yet which ones would work with Orca.
> >
> > Is anyone else using a media player that will enable them to increase
> > the playback speed for audiobooks with Orca? Any information will be
> > appreciated.
> >
> > Tami
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > orca-list mailing list
> > orca-list@gnome.org
> > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> > The manual is at
> > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> > Netiquette Guidelines are at
> > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines
> > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
> >

> _______________________________________________
> orca-list mailing list
> orca-list@gnome.org
> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines
> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list@gnome.org
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp



_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list@gnome.org
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp


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--------------010502000006090206060808-- From rkcole72984@gmail.com Sun Aug 7 19:50:39 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB8F275005F for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 19:50:39 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.589 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.589 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gOeyp84ljMFb for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 19:50:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pz0-f41.google.com (mail-pz0-f41.google.com [209.85.210.41]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D13CA75000B for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 19:50:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk4 with SMTP id 4so1235117pzk.0 for ; Sun, 07 Aug 2011 12:50:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type; bh=X3/RvSnagA2moQ+YNKcOFYbPfXICa8olDQidW8EB6pE=; b=hkuD3JM3BqOwwVBa7nKm55jMM58CUbPd0gmoyOM36+QlEZ4XHyQ+KwMWHiuQHFhpD4 mbkE1ZsQwOhd5H/+EIbIStEvnk9ot3sczpBq6lNPYlz1HAXGaOTaSHxEMXpM0ZkR1AiT oKtaFn/2n1VUJudGtHkplNZBF5p7hWo4M6glQ= Received: by 10.143.16.21 with SMTP id t21mr3590374wfi.273.1312746627419; Sun, 07 Aug 2011 12:50:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.142] (c-76-20-104-251.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [76.20.104.251]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d14sm3174121wfh.13.2011.08.07.12.50.26 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 07 Aug 2011 12:50:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E3EEC81.1030007@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 12:50:25 -0700 From: Robert Cole User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110617 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4E3E95FC.80804@gmail.com> <4E3E99A0.2000701@deep.cz> <1312732185.2268.8.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> <1312744735.2601.0.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> <4E3EEBA6.8090707@gmail.com> <4E3EEC0F.8040305@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4E3EEC0F.8040305@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040402000506070403020903" Subject: Re: [orca-list] Audiobooks X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 19:50:40 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040402000506070403020903 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am unsure as to whether or not VLC is accessible to Orca (or Audacious for that matter), but VLC definitely does a great job at increasing the speed of both audio and video files. I don't know why VLC slipped my mind concerning the task at hand. On 08/07/2011 12:48 PM, Alex H. wrote: > Is VLC accessible to Orca? That has functions to speed/slow audio. > > alex > > On 8/7/2011 3:46 PM, Robert Cole wrote: >> If I remember correctly, I believe that there is a plugin for >> Audacious (a lightweight audio player) which allows for speeding up >> of an audio file. When I get some time, I'll have to check it out a >> little more in-depth and let you know. >> >> On 08/07/2011 12:18 PM, Tami Kinney wrote: >>> Thanks! I'd seen Audacity but wasn't sure... Now I've got it and have an >>> exciting new toy to play with.//smile// >>> >>> On Sun, 2011-08-07 at 13:20 -0400, Thomas Ward wrote: >>>> > Hi Tami, >>>> > >>>> > Well, I don't know about a media player per say, but you can certainly >>>> > open the mp3, ogg, or whatever format you are using in Audacity and >>>> > then go to the effects menu and change the speed or use the speech >>>> > compressor option, and resave the book at your favorite speed. >>>> > >>>> > To install Audacity, if you haven't already done so, is do >>>> > "sudo apt-get install audacity" >>>> > from the terminal and apt-get will fetch Audacity and install it. >>>> > Also you might want to install lame as well if you are working with >>>> > mp3s. >>>> > >>>> > HTH >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On 8/7/11, Tami Kinney wrote: >>>>> > > Hi, all, >>>>> > > >>>>> > > I'm an Orca newbie running Ubuntu 11.04. My prior Unix/Linux experience >>>>> > > is so long ago, I might as well be a Linux newbie, but I'm having fun >>>>> > > getting back into it and discovering all the cool new stuff while I"m >>>>> > > getting up to speed with Orca. I'm spending a lot of time learning how >>>>> > > to problem-solve myself while reading about what the rest of you are >>>>> > > doing. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > Meanwhile, I want to take time out to read my audiobooks, but I like to >>>>> > > listen to them at a higher speed... I'm using Banshee for playing music >>>>> > > files, but I haven't found a plug in to allow me to increase play speed. >>>>> > > There seem to be a couple of programs for Linux to do that, but I can't >>>>> > > tell yet which ones would work with Orca. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > Is anyone else using a media player that will enable them to increase >>>>> > > the playback speed for audiobooks with Orca? Any information will be >>>>> > > appreciated. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > Tami >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > > orca-list mailing list >>>>> > > orca-list@gnome.org >>>>> > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>> > > Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>>>> > > The manual is at >>>>> > > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>>>> > > The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>>>> > > Netiquette Guidelines are at >>>>> > > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>>>> > > Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>>> > > Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >>>>> > > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > orca-list mailing list >>>> > orca-list@gnome.org >>>> > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> > Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>>> > The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>>> > The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>>> > Netiquette Guidelines are athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>>> > Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>> > Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>> The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>> Netiquette Guidelines are athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org >>> Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Netiquette Guidelines are athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > > -- > Sent via Thunderbird. > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp --------------040402000506070403020903 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am unsure as to whether or not VLC is accessible to Orca (or Audacious for that matter), but VLC definitely does a great job at increasing the speed of both audio and video files. I don't know why VLC slipped my mind concerning the task at hand.

On 08/07/2011 12:48 PM, Alex H. wrote:
Is VLC accessible to Orca? That has functions to speed/slow audio.

alex

On 8/7/2011 3:46 PM, Robert Cole wrote:
If I remember correctly, I believe that there is a plugin for Audacious (a lightweight audio player) which allows for speeding up of an audio file. When I get some time, I'll have to check it out a little more in-depth and let you know.

On 08/07/2011 12:18 PM, Tami Kinney wrote: 
Thanks! I'd seen Audacity but wasn't sure... Now I've got it and have an
exciting new toy to play with. /smile/ 

On Sun, 2011-08-07 at 13:20 -0400, Thomas Ward wrote: 

> Hi Tami,
> 
> Well, I don't know about a media player per say, but you can certainly
> open the mp3, ogg, or whatever format you are using in Audacity and
> then go to the effects menu and change the speed or use the speech
> compressor option, and resave the book at your favorite speed.
> 
> To install Audacity, if you haven't already done so, is do
> "sudo apt-get install audacity"
>  from the terminal and apt-get will fetch Audacity and install it.
> Also you might want to install lame as well if you are working with
> mp3s.
> 
> HTH
> 
> 
> On 8/7/11, Tami Kinney <tamara.8024@comcast.net> wrote:

> > Hi, all,
> >
> > I'm an Orca newbie running Ubuntu 11.04. My prior Unix/Linux experience
> > is so long ago, I might as well be a Linux newbie, but I'm having fun
> > getting back into it and discovering all the cool new stuff while I"m
> > getting up to speed with Orca. I'm spending a lot of time learning how
> > to problem-solve myself while reading about what the rest of you are
> > doing.
> >
> > Meanwhile, I want to take time out to read my audiobooks, but I like to
> > listen to them at a higher speed... I'm using Banshee for playing music
> > files, but I haven't found a plug in to allow me to increase play speed.
> > There seem to be a couple of programs for Linux to do that, but I can't
> > tell yet which ones would work with Orca.
> >
> > Is anyone else using a media player that will enable them to increase
> > the playback speed for audiobooks with Orca? Any information will be
> > appreciated.
> >
> > Tami
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > orca-list mailing list
> > orca-list@gnome.org
> > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> > The manual is at
> > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> > Netiquette Guidelines are at
> > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines
> > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
> >

> _______________________________________________
> orca-list mailing list
> orca-list@gnome.org
> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines
> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list@gnome.org
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp



_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list@gnome.org
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp


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orca-list@gnome.org
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

--------------040402000506070403020903-- From rkcole72984@gmail.com Sun Aug 7 20:00:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1126F75000B for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 20:00:02 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.589 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.589 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wo2yQA1nSgmt for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 19:59:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pz0-f41.google.com (mail-pz0-f41.google.com [209.85.210.41]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDCEF75006B for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 19:59:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk4 with SMTP id 4so1243841pzk.0 for ; Sun, 07 Aug 2011 12:59:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type; bh=gP6+YHbXipowGmyDchDxzqG0W9PzFs0Nw7t5IFidef8=; b=DoIpyZ1Yn2d4f/7UxU+fx1n48Hj0aQiFYBnINH+A4P9F7JWVZ4ZWL/1FEKdMkEErAa BRV9H4KDHMg7RTTJ4EX3xO8+oVAmxL3I7cZu3Suj+4u0zLDdMuVsbgrq3Fw7veriiJm/ lr/St4UvBG+tMKWVVctTJTq8N/cClRvtkUYD0= Received: by 10.143.90.14 with SMTP id s14mr4979898wfl.138.1312747186936; Sun, 07 Aug 2011 12:59:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.142] (c-76-20-104-251.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [76.20.104.251]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i5sm2248790wff.18.2011.08.07.12.59.45 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 07 Aug 2011 12:59:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E3EEEAE.1060007@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 12:59:42 -0700 From: Robert Cole User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110617 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4E3E95FC.80804@gmail.com> <4E3E99A0.2000701@deep.cz> <1312732185.2268.8.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> <1312744735.2601.0.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> <4E3EEBA6.8090707@gmail.com> <4E3EEC0F.8040305@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4E3EEC0F.8040305@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------030008060401010600060501" Subject: Re: [orca-list] Audiobooks X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 20:00:02 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030008060401010600060501 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just tested VLC. Orca did not read out any of the menus to me, but there was an option to increase the playback speed of an audio file while maintaining the audio quality. Unfortuantely I did nto see any shortcut keys to do this, which would make things much easier. On 08/07/2011 12:48 PM, Alex H. wrote: > Is VLC accessible to Orca? That has functions to speed/slow audio. > > alex > > On 8/7/2011 3:46 PM, Robert Cole wrote: >> If I remember correctly, I believe that there is a plugin for >> Audacious (a lightweight audio player) which allows for speeding up >> of an audio file. When I get some time, I'll have to check it out a >> little more in-depth and let you know. >> >> On 08/07/2011 12:18 PM, Tami Kinney wrote: >>> Thanks! I'd seen Audacity but wasn't sure... Now I've got it and have an >>> exciting new toy to play with.//smile// >>> >>> On Sun, 2011-08-07 at 13:20 -0400, Thomas Ward wrote: >>>> > Hi Tami, >>>> > >>>> > Well, I don't know about a media player per say, but you can certainly >>>> > open the mp3, ogg, or whatever format you are using in Audacity and >>>> > then go to the effects menu and change the speed or use the speech >>>> > compressor option, and resave the book at your favorite speed. >>>> > >>>> > To install Audacity, if you haven't already done so, is do >>>> > "sudo apt-get install audacity" >>>> > from the terminal and apt-get will fetch Audacity and install it. >>>> > Also you might want to install lame as well if you are working with >>>> > mp3s. >>>> > >>>> > HTH >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On 8/7/11, Tami Kinney wrote: >>>>> > > Hi, all, >>>>> > > >>>>> > > I'm an Orca newbie running Ubuntu 11.04. My prior Unix/Linux experience >>>>> > > is so long ago, I might as well be a Linux newbie, but I'm having fun >>>>> > > getting back into it and discovering all the cool new stuff while I"m >>>>> > > getting up to speed with Orca. I'm spending a lot of time learning how >>>>> > > to problem-solve myself while reading about what the rest of you are >>>>> > > doing. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > Meanwhile, I want to take time out to read my audiobooks, but I like to >>>>> > > listen to them at a higher speed... I'm using Banshee for playing music >>>>> > > files, but I haven't found a plug in to allow me to increase play speed. >>>>> > > There seem to be a couple of programs for Linux to do that, but I can't >>>>> > > tell yet which ones would work with Orca. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > Is anyone else using a media player that will enable them to increase >>>>> > > the playback speed for audiobooks with Orca? Any information will be >>>>> > > appreciated. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > Tami >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > > orca-list mailing list >>>>> > > orca-list@gnome.org >>>>> > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>> > > Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>>>> > > The manual is at >>>>> > > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>>>> > > The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>>>> > > Netiquette Guidelines are at >>>>> > > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>>>> > > Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>>> > > Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >>>>> > > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > orca-list mailing list >>>> > orca-list@gnome.org >>>> > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> > Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>>> > The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>>> > The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>>> > Netiquette Guidelines are athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>>> > Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>> > Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>> The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>> Netiquette Guidelines are athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org >>> Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Netiquette Guidelines are athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > > -- > Sent via Thunderbird. > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp --------------030008060401010600060501 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just tested VLC. Orca did not read out any of the menus to me, but there was an option to increase the playback speed of an audio file while maintaining the audio quality. Unfortuantely I did nto see any shortcut keys to do this, which would make things much easier.

On 08/07/2011 12:48 PM, Alex H. wrote:
Is VLC accessible to Orca? That has functions to speed/slow audio.

alex

On 8/7/2011 3:46 PM, Robert Cole wrote:
If I remember correctly, I believe that there is a plugin for Audacious (a lightweight audio player) which allows for speeding up of an audio file. When I get some time, I'll have to check it out a little more in-depth and let you know.

On 08/07/2011 12:18 PM, Tami Kinney wrote: 
Thanks! I'd seen Audacity but wasn't sure... Now I've got it and have an
exciting new toy to play with. /smile/ 

On Sun, 2011-08-07 at 13:20 -0400, Thomas Ward wrote: 

> Hi Tami,
> 
> Well, I don't know about a media player per say, but you can certainly
> open the mp3, ogg, or whatever format you are using in Audacity and
> then go to the effects menu and change the speed or use the speech
> compressor option, and resave the book at your favorite speed.
> 
> To install Audacity, if you haven't already done so, is do
> "sudo apt-get install audacity"
>  from the terminal and apt-get will fetch Audacity and install it.
> Also you might want to install lame as well if you are working with
> mp3s.
> 
> HTH
> 
> 
> On 8/7/11, Tami Kinney <tamara.8024@comcast.net> wrote:

> > Hi, all,
> >
> > I'm an Orca newbie running Ubuntu 11.04. My prior Unix/Linux experience
> > is so long ago, I might as well be a Linux newbie, but I'm having fun
> > getting back into it and discovering all the cool new stuff while I"m
> > getting up to speed with Orca. I'm spending a lot of time learning how
> > to problem-solve myself while reading about what the rest of you are
> > doing.
> >
> > Meanwhile, I want to take time out to read my audiobooks, but I like to
> > listen to them at a higher speed... I'm using Banshee for playing music
> > files, but I haven't found a plug in to allow me to increase play speed.
> > There seem to be a couple of programs for Linux to do that, but I can't
> > tell yet which ones would work with Orca.
> >
> > Is anyone else using a media player that will enable them to increase
> > the playback speed for audiobooks with Orca? Any information will be
> > appreciated.
> >
> > Tami
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > orca-list mailing list
> > orca-list@gnome.org
> > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> > The manual is at
> > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> > Netiquette Guidelines are at
> > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines
> > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
> >

> _______________________________________________
> orca-list mailing list
> orca-list@gnome.org
> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines
> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list@gnome.org
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp



_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list@gnome.org
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp


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_______________________________________________
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orca-list@gnome.org
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

--------------030008060401010600060501-- From rkcole72984@gmail.com Sun Aug 7 22:08:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B5BD75006B for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 22:08:14 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.589 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.589 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aDqzwBtfY6Gd for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 22:08:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pz0-f41.google.com (mail-pz0-f41.google.com [209.85.210.41]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF70375000B for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 22:08:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk4 with SMTP id 4so1367993pzk.0 for ; Sun, 07 Aug 2011 15:08:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type; bh=MYHsUZb3yd4n7YPHLvL5K+qNETukz8oahjTY+RaFjaw=; b=A9/DcLflvIcbLTQnF3vlPb/SpkIjuJh5XauAsjgWztBexLWtXsPNuh9LYnIDHsRjqi jwO5r+fs7PUFmaljz7ldB+dWtUlSwJTVWygV1Wc42XjNdTN2hKWuGBsGDSE6Y0L4kcGu bkjvozoVq+nW+n8FkKSz21/IODG7LBU0U4L70= Received: by 10.142.133.7 with SMTP id g7mr4627906wfd.117.1312754880534; Sun, 07 Aug 2011 15:08:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.142] (c-76-20-104-251.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [76.20.104.251]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d14sm3233813wfh.13.2011.08.07.15.07.58 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 07 Aug 2011 15:07:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E3F0CBD.9000602@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 15:07:57 -0700 From: Robert Cole User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110617 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4E3E95FC.80804@gmail.com> <4E3E99A0.2000701@deep.cz> <1312732185.2268.8.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> <1312744735.2601.0.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> <4E3EEBA6.8090707@gmail.com> <4E3EEC0F.8040305@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4E3EEC0F.8040305@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040205040202060607060106" Subject: Re: [orca-list] Audiobooks X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 22:08:14 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040205040202060607060106 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am sorry. I forgot to add that the option with which to increase the playback speed of a file in VLC is found under Playback, Faster (fine). You can actually create shortcut keys to speed up and slow down playback if you go to the Tools menu, open the Preferences window, and then you will find a button to the left labeled "Hotkeys". Through this page you can set shortcut keys for many different things. Although this can be quite customizable and efficient, it does not at all negate the fact that the menus were not read out loud. This could be different for other users, though. I am using Orca in Linux Mint 11. Nevertheless, it seems that VLC would be a very viable option for the task at hand. On 08/07/2011 12:48 PM, Alex H. wrote: > Is VLC accessible to Orca? That has functions to speed/slow audio. > > alex > > On 8/7/2011 3:46 PM, Robert Cole wrote: >> If I remember correctly, I believe that there is a plugin for >> Audacious (a lightweight audio player) which allows for speeding up >> of an audio file. When I get some time, I'll have to check it out a >> little more in-depth and let you know. >> >> On 08/07/2011 12:18 PM, Tami Kinney wrote: >>> Thanks! I'd seen Audacity but wasn't sure... Now I've got it and have an >>> exciting new toy to play with.//smile// >>> >>> On Sun, 2011-08-07 at 13:20 -0400, Thomas Ward wrote: >>>> > Hi Tami, >>>> > >>>> > Well, I don't know about a media player per say, but you can certainly >>>> > open the mp3, ogg, or whatever format you are using in Audacity and >>>> > then go to the effects menu and change the speed or use the speech >>>> > compressor option, and resave the book at your favorite speed. >>>> > >>>> > To install Audacity, if you haven't already done so, is do >>>> > "sudo apt-get install audacity" >>>> > from the terminal and apt-get will fetch Audacity and install it. >>>> > Also you might want to install lame as well if you are working with >>>> > mp3s. >>>> > >>>> > HTH >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On 8/7/11, Tami Kinney wrote: >>>>> > > Hi, all, >>>>> > > >>>>> > > I'm an Orca newbie running Ubuntu 11.04. My prior Unix/Linux experience >>>>> > > is so long ago, I might as well be a Linux newbie, but I'm having fun >>>>> > > getting back into it and discovering all the cool new stuff while I"m >>>>> > > getting up to speed with Orca. I'm spending a lot of time learning how >>>>> > > to problem-solve myself while reading about what the rest of you are >>>>> > > doing. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > Meanwhile, I want to take time out to read my audiobooks, but I like to >>>>> > > listen to them at a higher speed... I'm using Banshee for playing music >>>>> > > files, but I haven't found a plug in to allow me to increase play speed. >>>>> > > There seem to be a couple of programs for Linux to do that, but I can't >>>>> > > tell yet which ones would work with Orca. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > Is anyone else using a media player that will enable them to increase >>>>> > > the playback speed for audiobooks with Orca? Any information will be >>>>> > > appreciated. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > Tami >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > > orca-list mailing list >>>>> > > orca-list@gnome.org >>>>> > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>> > > Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>>>> > > The manual is at >>>>> > > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>>>> > > The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>>>> > > Netiquette Guidelines are at >>>>> > > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>>>> > > Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>>> > > Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >>>>> > > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > orca-list mailing list >>>> > orca-list@gnome.org >>>> > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> > Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>>> > The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>>> > The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>>> > Netiquette Guidelines are athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>>> > Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>> > Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>> The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>> Netiquette Guidelines are athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org >>> Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Netiquette Guidelines are athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > > -- > Sent via Thunderbird. > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp --------------040205040202060607060106 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am sorry. I forgot to add that the option with which to increase the playback speed of a file in VLC is found under Playback, Faster (fine). You can actually create shortcut keys to speed up and slow down playback if you go to the Tools menu, open the Preferences window, and then you will find a button to the left labeled "Hotkeys". Through this page you can set shortcut keys for many different things.

Although this can be quite customizable and efficient, it does not at all negate the fact that the menus were not read out loud. This could be different for other users, though. I am using Orca in Linux Mint 11.

Nevertheless, it seems that VLC would be a very viable option for the task at hand.



On 08/07/2011 12:48 PM, Alex H. wrote:
Is VLC accessible to Orca? That has functions to speed/slow audio.

alex

On 8/7/2011 3:46 PM, Robert Cole wrote:
If I remember correctly, I believe that there is a plugin for Audacious (a lightweight audio player) which allows for speeding up of an audio file. When I get some time, I'll have to check it out a little more in-depth and let you know.

On 08/07/2011 12:18 PM, Tami Kinney wrote: 
Thanks! I'd seen Audacity but wasn't sure... Now I've got it and have an
exciting new toy to play with. /smile/ 

On Sun, 2011-08-07 at 13:20 -0400, Thomas Ward wrote: 

> Hi Tami,
> 
> Well, I don't know about a media player per say, but you can certainly
> open the mp3, ogg, or whatever format you are using in Audacity and
> then go to the effects menu and change the speed or use the speech
> compressor option, and resave the book at your favorite speed.
> 
> To install Audacity, if you haven't already done so, is do
> "sudo apt-get install audacity"
>  from the terminal and apt-get will fetch Audacity and install it.
> Also you might want to install lame as well if you are working with
> mp3s.
> 
> HTH
> 
> 
> On 8/7/11, Tami Kinney <tamara.8024@comcast.net> wrote:

> > Hi, all,
> >
> > I'm an Orca newbie running Ubuntu 11.04. My prior Unix/Linux experience
> > is so long ago, I might as well be a Linux newbie, but I'm having fun
> > getting back into it and discovering all the cool new stuff while I"m
> > getting up to speed with Orca. I'm spending a lot of time learning how
> > to problem-solve myself while reading about what the rest of you are
> > doing.
> >
> > Meanwhile, I want to take time out to read my audiobooks, but I like to
> > listen to them at a higher speed... I'm using Banshee for playing music
> > files, but I haven't found a plug in to allow me to increase play speed.
> > There seem to be a couple of programs for Linux to do that, but I can't
> > tell yet which ones would work with Orca.
> >
> > Is anyone else using a media player that will enable them to increase
> > the playback speed for audiobooks with Orca? Any information will be
> > appreciated.
> >
> > Tami
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > orca-list mailing list
> > orca-list@gnome.org
> > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> > The manual is at
> > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> > Netiquette Guidelines are at
> > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines
> > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
> >

> _______________________________________________
> orca-list mailing list
> orca-list@gnome.org
> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines
> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list@gnome.org
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp



_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list@gnome.org
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp


--
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_______________________________________________
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orca-list@gnome.org
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

--------------040205040202060607060106-- From tamara.8024@comcast.net Sun Aug 7 23:30:37 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B76787500B0 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 23:30:37 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.811, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Dfl4OwZG-0d5 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 23:30:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.64]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA03575006B for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 23:30:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.92]) by qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id HbRP1h0041zF43QA7bWMvw; Sun, 07 Aug 2011 23:30:21 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.18] ([76.115.112.13]) by omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id HbWH1h00y0HPrVG8kbWHuU; Sun, 07 Aug 2011 23:30:18 +0000 From: Tami Kinney To: orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <4E3EEC81.1030007@gmail.com> References: <4E3E95FC.80804@gmail.com> <4E3E99A0.2000701@deep.cz> <1312732185.2268.8.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> <1312744735.2601.0.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> <4E3EEBA6.8090707@gmail.com> <4E3EEC0F.8040305@gmail.com> <4E3EEC81.1030007@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 16:30:22 -0700 Message-ID: <1312759822.3844.36.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Audiobooks X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 23:30:37 -0000 Well, I just checked out VLC, and my computer stopped talking to me. /smile/ Audacious does appear to be semi-accessible as I play around getting familiar with it. Since I'm not familiar, I can't say anything definitive. Tami On Sun, 2011-08-07 at 12:50 -0700, Robert Cole wrote: > I am unsure as to whether or not VLC is accessible to Orca (or Audacious > for that matter), but VLC definitely does a great job at increasing the > speed of both audio and video files. I don't know why VLC slipped my > mind concerning the task at hand. > > On 08/07/2011 12:48 PM, Alex H. wrote: > > Is VLC accessible to Orca? That has functions to speed/slow audio. > > > > alex > > > > On 8/7/2011 3:46 PM, Robert Cole wrote: > >> If I remember correctly, I believe that there is a plugin for > >> Audacious (a lightweight audio player) which allows for speeding up > >> of an audio file. When I get some time, I'll have to check it out a > >> little more in-depth and let you know. > >> > >> On 08/07/2011 12:18 PM, Tami Kinney wrote: > >>> Thanks! I'd seen Audacity but wasn't sure... Now I've got it and have an > >>> exciting new toy to play with.//smile// > >>> > >>> On Sun, 2011-08-07 at 13:20 -0400, Thomas Ward wrote: > >>>> > Hi Tami, > >>>> > > >>>> > Well, I don't know about a media player per say, but you can certainly > >>>> > open the mp3, ogg, or whatever format you are using in Audacity and > >>>> > then go to the effects menu and change the speed or use the speech > >>>> > compressor option, and resave the book at your favorite speed. > >>>> > > >>>> > To install Audacity, if you haven't already done so, is do > >>>> > "sudo apt-get install audacity" > >>>> > from the terminal and apt-get will fetch Audacity and install it. > >>>> > Also you might want to install lame as well if you are working with > >>>> > mp3s. > >>>> > > >>>> > HTH > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > On 8/7/11, Tami Kinney wrote: > >>>>> > > Hi, all, > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > I'm an Orca newbie running Ubuntu 11.04. My prior Unix/Linux experience > >>>>> > > is so long ago, I might as well be a Linux newbie, but I'm having fun > >>>>> > > getting back into it and discovering all the cool new stuff while I"m > >>>>> > > getting up to speed with Orca. I'm spending a lot of time learning how > >>>>> > > to problem-solve myself while reading about what the rest of you are > >>>>> > > doing. > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > Meanwhile, I want to take time out to read my audiobooks, but I like to > >>>>> > > listen to them at a higher speed... I'm using Banshee for playing music > >>>>> > > files, but I haven't found a plug in to allow me to increase play speed. > >>>>> > > There seem to be a couple of programs for Linux to do that, but I can't > >>>>> > > tell yet which ones would work with Orca. > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > Is anyone else using a media player that will enable them to increase > >>>>> > > the playback speed for audiobooks with Orca? Any information will be > >>>>> > > appreciated. > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > Tami > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > _______________________________________________ > >>>>> > > orca-list mailing list > >>>>> > > orca-list@gnome.org > >>>>> > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >>>>> > > Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > >>>>> > > The manual is at > >>>>> > > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > >>>>> > > The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > >>>>> > > Netiquette Guidelines are at > >>>>> > > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > >>>>> > > Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org > >>>>> > > Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > >>>>> > > > >>>> > _______________________________________________ > >>>> > orca-list mailing list > >>>> > orca-list@gnome.org > >>>> > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >>>> > Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > >>>> > The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > >>>> > The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > >>>> > Netiquette Guidelines are athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > >>>> > Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org > >>>> > Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> orca-list mailing list > >>> orca-list@gnome.org > >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > >>> The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > >>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > >>> Netiquette Guidelines are athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > >>> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org > >>> Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> orca-list mailing list > >> orca-list@gnome.org > >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > >> The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > >> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > >> Netiquette Guidelines are athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > >> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org > >> Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > > > > > -- > > Sent via Thunderbird. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > orca-list mailing list > > orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From tamara.8024@comcast.net Sun Aug 7 23:33:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13DEB7500B0 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 23:33:15 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.811, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KqopleiCIcBv for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 23:33:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.48]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 894A375006B for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 23:33:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.27]) by qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id HbRl1h0040b6N64A5bYybC; Sun, 07 Aug 2011 23:32:58 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.18] ([76.115.112.13]) by omta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id HbYx1h00g0HPrVG8PbYx42; Sun, 07 Aug 2011 23:32:57 +0000 From: Tami Kinney To: orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <4E3F0CBD.9000602@gmail.com> References: <4E3E95FC.80804@gmail.com> <4E3E99A0.2000701@deep.cz> <1312732185.2268.8.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> <1312744735.2601.0.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> <4E3EEBA6.8090707@gmail.com> <4E3EEC0F.8040305@gmail.com> <4E3F0CBD.9000602@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 16:32:59 -0700 Message-ID: <1312759979.3844.38.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Audiobooks X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 23:33:15 -0000 Good information. I'll keep VLC around in case I want to use when/if the accessibility gap is fixed or I decide it's worth having my sighted roommates help me set up hot keys and memorize them. Tami On Sun, 2011-08-07 at 15:07 -0700, Robert Cole wrote: > I am sorry. I forgot to add that the option with which to increase the > playback speed of a file in VLC is found under Playback, Faster (fine). > You can actually create shortcut keys to speed up and slow down playback > if you go to the Tools menu, open the Preferences window, and then you > will find a button to the left labeled "Hotkeys". Through this page you > can set shortcut keys for many different things. > > Although this can be quite customizable and efficient, it does not at > all negate the fact that the menus were not read out loud. This could be > different for other users, though. I am using Orca in Linux Mint 11. > > Nevertheless, it seems that VLC would be a very viable option for the > task at hand. > > > > On 08/07/2011 12:48 PM, Alex H. wrote: > > Is VLC accessible to Orca? That has functions to speed/slow audio. > > > > alex > > > > On 8/7/2011 3:46 PM, Robert Cole wrote: > >> If I remember correctly, I believe that there is a plugin for > >> Audacious (a lightweight audio player) which allows for speeding up > >> of an audio file. When I get some time, I'll have to check it out a > >> little more in-depth and let you know. > >> > >> On 08/07/2011 12:18 PM, Tami Kinney wrote: > >>> Thanks! I'd seen Audacity but wasn't sure... Now I've got it and have an > >>> exciting new toy to play with.//smile// > >>> > >>> On Sun, 2011-08-07 at 13:20 -0400, Thomas Ward wrote: > >>>> > Hi Tami, > >>>> > > >>>> > Well, I don't know about a media player per say, but you can certainly > >>>> > open the mp3, ogg, or whatever format you are using in Audacity and > >>>> > then go to the effects menu and change the speed or use the speech > >>>> > compressor option, and resave the book at your favorite speed. > >>>> > > >>>> > To install Audacity, if you haven't already done so, is do > >>>> > "sudo apt-get install audacity" > >>>> > from the terminal and apt-get will fetch Audacity and install it. > >>>> > Also you might want to install lame as well if you are working with > >>>> > mp3s. > >>>> > > >>>> > HTH > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > On 8/7/11, Tami Kinney wrote: > >>>>> > > Hi, all, > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > I'm an Orca newbie running Ubuntu 11.04. My prior Unix/Linux experience > >>>>> > > is so long ago, I might as well be a Linux newbie, but I'm having fun > >>>>> > > getting back into it and discovering all the cool new stuff while I"m > >>>>> > > getting up to speed with Orca. I'm spending a lot of time learning how > >>>>> > > to problem-solve myself while reading about what the rest of you are > >>>>> > > doing. > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > Meanwhile, I want to take time out to read my audiobooks, but I like to > >>>>> > > listen to them at a higher speed... I'm using Banshee for playing music > >>>>> > > files, but I haven't found a plug in to allow me to increase play speed. > >>>>> > > There seem to be a couple of programs for Linux to do that, but I can't > >>>>> > > tell yet which ones would work with Orca. > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > Is anyone else using a media player that will enable them to increase > >>>>> > > the playback speed for audiobooks with Orca? Any information will be > >>>>> > > appreciated. > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > Tami > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > _______________________________________________ > >>>>> > > orca-list mailing list > >>>>> > > orca-list@gnome.org > >>>>> > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >>>>> > > Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > >>>>> > > The manual is at > >>>>> > > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > >>>>> > > The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > >>>>> > > Netiquette Guidelines are at > >>>>> > > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > >>>>> > > Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org > >>>>> > > Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > >>>>> > > > >>>> > _______________________________________________ > >>>> > orca-list mailing list > >>>> > orca-list@gnome.org > >>>> > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >>>> > Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > >>>> > The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > >>>> > The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > >>>> > Netiquette Guidelines are athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > >>>> > Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org > >>>> > Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> orca-list mailing list > >>> orca-list@gnome.org > >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > >>> The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > >>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > >>> Netiquette Guidelines are athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > >>> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org > >>> Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> orca-list mailing list > >> orca-list@gnome.org > >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > >> The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > >> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > >> Netiquette Guidelines are athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > >> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org > >> Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > > > > > -- > > Sent via Thunderbird. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > orca-list mailing list > > orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From mwhapples@aim.com Sun Aug 7 23:48:31 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 637E47500B0 for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 23:48:31 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.81 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.81 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VbiJ7m8rb1Rd for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 23:48:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from imr-da04.mx.aol.com (imr-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.146]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A31A75006B for ; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 23:48:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mtaout-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.65]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p77Nm7qJ008674; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 19:48:07 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.67] (mwhapples.plus.com [80.229.137.216]) by mtaout-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPA id 1A023E0000DC; Sun, 7 Aug 2011 19:48:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Whapples Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 00:48:05 +0100 Message-Id: <0108B6F3-CC11-44D2-B764-7E111EB5D88C@aim.com> To: luchyanus@gmail.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1244.3) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1244.3) x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:396612960:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29414e3f24362014 X-AOL-IP: 80.229.137.216 Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: [orca-list] Orca and blog software X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 23:48:31 -0000 Hello Luciano, I believe your questions regarding radio software and youtube may have = had responses. On the topic of blogs, as you have not had a response = regarding that, may be the following will be useful. I know of two pieces of software which I think work with orca. One is = drivel the other is gnome-blog. I don't know how well they work with all = types of blogs and whether there are some tasks orca may struggle with, = however I have used drivel for writing a blogger.com/blogspot blog and = it was certainly usable. Michael Whapples= From rkcole72984@gmail.com Mon Aug 8 02:35:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D60017500C1 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 02:35:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.59 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.59 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BXSNf27LVIMj for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 02:35:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com (mail-iy0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30C1B750080 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 02:35:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iye7 with SMTP id 7so7991536iye.3 for ; Sun, 07 Aug 2011 19:35:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=BMbyx8yUfWZkImGdk+ewoc1Pjt5NYKrgFOescVy7fds=; b=BdnuC6RPAhJbkLmzcqSl2U9MdC0bIB7aJ7/o7a7zEolYlgYsXuqvi+rHRIRb9fwybF ISR8Hbc+Lpv0pIsAlN0n8MN6+Ba77vnD2K4xU0uReYcfaMLIkvqOJHaHsgizoByZnrjl c9Bvi8ndWbNeGjQ4xbUuaO6al/bpv4gRQ5nsc= Received: by 10.231.111.167 with SMTP id s39mr4782522ibp.65.1312770931146; Sun, 07 Aug 2011 19:35:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.142] (c-76-20-104-251.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [76.20.104.251]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v16sm3870039ibe.17.2011.08.07.19.35.28 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 07 Aug 2011 19:35:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E3F4B6E.5060909@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 19:35:26 -0700 From: Robert Cole User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110617 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4E3E95FC.80804@gmail.com> <4E3E99A0.2000701@deep.cz> <1312732185.2268.8.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> <1312744735.2601.0.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> <4E3EEBA6.8090707@gmail.com> <4E3EEC0F.8040305@gmail.com> <4E3F0CBD.9000602@gmail.com> <1312759979.3844.38.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> In-Reply-To: <1312759979.3844.38.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Audiobooks X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 02:35:45 -0000 Hello again, Tami. I did a small bit more testing with VLC. Orca will not read the menus for me in VLC, but if I open a file using CTRL+O, the Open File window will appear; Orca does read the contents of this window for me. There are hotkeys which have been preset for speeding up and slowing down playback speed. Please note that when I say "standard keyboard" in the following statements, I mean a standard U.S. English QWERTY keyboard layout. I am not at all familiar with other keyboard styles, so I apologize for that; if you live in the United States, you very likely have a standard QWERTY keyboard. 1. To speed up the playback of a file, just press the closing bracket key ("]"), which is the second key to the right of the "P" key on a standard keyboard. 2. To slow down playback of a file, just press the opening bracket key ("["), which is the first key to the right of the "P" key on a standard keyboard. 3. To return to the normal playback rate (the original playback rate) of a file, just press the equal-sign key ("="), which is the second key to the right of the "0" key at the top (the "number row") of a standard keyboard. I hope that this helps, and that you can get to enjoy listening to your audiobooks soon! If I can be of any further help, please let me know. Take care. On 08/07/2011 04:32 PM, Tami Kinney wrote: > Good information. I'll keep VLC around in case I want to use when/if the > accessibility gap is fixed or I decide it's worth having my sighted > roommates help me set up hot keys and memorize them. > > Tami > > On Sun, 2011-08-07 at 15:07 -0700, Robert Cole wrote: >> I am sorry. I forgot to add that the option with which to increase the >> playback speed of a file in VLC is found under Playback, Faster (fine). >> You can actually create shortcut keys to speed up and slow down playback >> if you go to the Tools menu, open the Preferences window, and then you >> will find a button to the left labeled "Hotkeys". Through this page you >> can set shortcut keys for many different things. >> >> Although this can be quite customizable and efficient, it does not at >> all negate the fact that the menus were not read out loud. This could be >> different for other users, though. I am using Orca in Linux Mint 11. >> >> Nevertheless, it seems that VLC would be a very viable option for the >> task at hand. >> >> >> >> On 08/07/2011 12:48 PM, Alex H. wrote: >>> Is VLC accessible to Orca? That has functions to speed/slow audio. >>> >>> alex >>> >>> On 8/7/2011 3:46 PM, Robert Cole wrote: >>>> If I remember correctly, I believe that there is a plugin for >>>> Audacious (a lightweight audio player) which allows for speeding up >>>> of an audio file. When I get some time, I'll have to check it out a >>>> little more in-depth and let you know. >>>> >>>> On 08/07/2011 12:18 PM, Tami Kinney wrote: >>>>> Thanks! I'd seen Audacity but wasn't sure... Now I've got it and have an >>>>> exciting new toy to play with.//smile// >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, 2011-08-07 at 13:20 -0400, Thomas Ward wrote: >>>>>>> Hi Tami, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Well, I don't know about a media player per say, but you can certainly >>>>>>> open the mp3, ogg, or whatever format you are using in Audacity and >>>>>>> then go to the effects menu and change the speed or use the speech >>>>>>> compressor option, and resave the book at your favorite speed. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To install Audacity, if you haven't already done so, is do >>>>>>> "sudo apt-get install audacity" >>>>>>> from the terminal and apt-get will fetch Audacity and install it. >>>>>>> Also you might want to install lame as well if you are working with >>>>>>> mp3s. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> HTH >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 8/7/11, Tami Kinney wrote: >>>>>>>> > Hi, all, >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > I'm an Orca newbie running Ubuntu 11.04. My prior Unix/Linux experience >>>>>>>> > is so long ago, I might as well be a Linux newbie, but I'm having fun >>>>>>>> > getting back into it and discovering all the cool new stuff while I"m >>>>>>>> > getting up to speed with Orca. I'm spending a lot of time learning how >>>>>>>> > to problem-solve myself while reading about what the rest of you are >>>>>>>> > doing. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Meanwhile, I want to take time out to read my audiobooks, but I like to >>>>>>>> > listen to them at a higher speed... I'm using Banshee for playing music >>>>>>>> > files, but I haven't found a plug in to allow me to increase play speed. >>>>>>>> > There seem to be a couple of programs for Linux to do that, but I can't >>>>>>>> > tell yet which ones would work with Orca. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Is anyone else using a media player that will enable them to increase >>>>>>>> > the playback speed for audiobooks with Orca? Any information will be >>>>>>>> > appreciated. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Tami >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> > orca-list mailing list >>>>>>>> > orca-list@gnome.org >>>>>>>> > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>>>>> > Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>>>>>>> > The manual is at >>>>>>>> > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>>>>>>> > The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>>>>>>> > Netiquette Guidelines are at >>>>>>>> > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>>>>>>> > Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>>>>>> > Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>>>>>> The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>>>>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>>>>>> Netiquette Guidelines are athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>>>>> Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>>>> The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>>>> Netiquette Guidelines are athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>>>> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>>> Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> orca-list mailing list >>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>>> The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>>> Netiquette Guidelines are athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>>> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>> Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >>> >>> -- >>> Sent via Thunderbird. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>> The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>> Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From ethanak@polip.com Mon Aug 8 05:27:45 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 671B2750088 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 05:27:45 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oBYZ+BCCSVSz for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 05:27:42 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 1002 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at menubar.gnome.org; Mon, 08 Aug 2011 05:27:42 UTC Received: from alenka.setia.pl (alenka.setia.pl [91.198.94.200]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 456AF750080 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 05:27:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=mail.setia.pl) by alenka.setia.pl with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QqI7s-00054A-2W for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 08 Aug 2011 07:11:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 06:11:43 +0100 From: "Bohdan R. Rau" To: In-Reply-To: <1312732185.2268.8.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> References: <4E3E95FC.80804@gmail.com> <4E3E99A0.2000701@deep.cz> <1312732185.2268.8.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> Message-ID: <30eb1083fe6d933db6613affe9b8d181@mail.setia.pl> X-Sender: ethanak@polip.com User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/0.5.1 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Audiobooks X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 05:27:45 -0000 On Sun, 07 Aug 2011 08:49:45 -0700, Tami Kinney wrote: > Is anyone else using a media player that will enable them to increase > the playback speed for audiobooks with Orca? Some time ago I wrote small program which can change speed/pitch and shorten pauses in audiobooks. It's converter, not player, but you can use internal audio to correct parameters. It's simple command line program, so should be fully accessible. See http://audina.polip.com/ ethanak -- http://milena.polip.com/ - Pa pa, Ivonko! From cerha@brailcom.org Mon Aug 8 07:58:39 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EF027500DF for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 07:58:39 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t+HtLhaMXptS for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 07:58:36 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 672 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at menubar.gnome.org; Mon, 08 Aug 2011 07:58:36 UTC Received: from mx5.cbsmail.cz (mx5.cbsmail.cz [81.25.16.234]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3630C750089 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 07:58:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx5.cbsmail.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77BEC8EA30EC7 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 09:47:13 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cbsmail.cz Received: from mx5.cbsmail.cz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx5.cbsmail.cz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nkDLxZ8p9tjo for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 09:47:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.0.0.8] (unknown [10.26.0.40]) by mx5.cbsmail.cz (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8E2DB8EA30EEF for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 09:47:12 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4E3F9361.1030807@brailcom.org> Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 09:42:25 +0200 From: Tomas Cerha Organization: Brailcom, o.p.s. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.16) Gecko/20110303 Icedove/3.0.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4E3ECA87.4040500@att.net> In-Reply-To: <4E3ECA87.4040500@att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] How to avoid sending test e-mails (was Re: test) X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 07:58:39 -0000 On 7.8.2011 19:25, Guy Schlosser wrote: > Please disregard, just a test to see if my E-mail is working. Haven't > received anything from list in quite a while. Hello Guy, and everyone else who is using the mailing list for testing their e-mail. I'd just like to recommend a simpler and more polite method. Check the mailing list archive at http://mail.gnome.org/archives/orca-list/ and compare it to your inbox. You will see immediately whether you are missing any recent posts or not. If you really want to receive a message to your inbox, you can re-subscribe at http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list. The list will notify you that you are already subscribed which should serve your purpose as any other message from the list, but this message will go only to you and you will avoid spamming other list members. Please notice my friendly tone . Hope Mattias has also read it . Best regards, Tomas From steve.holmes88@gmail.com Mon Aug 8 11:02:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C7AF750184 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 11:02:06 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.59 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.59 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Nx6KsrFlY8cC for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 11:02:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com (mail-iy0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D041C750110 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 11:01:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iye7 with SMTP id 7so8956498iye.3 for ; Mon, 08 Aug 2011 04:01:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; bh=AG6fO0OuO0pwS5SCJnG5I7DNViDGUVbqQ4PMZ/hZo6s=; b=Gd3HCg8B8FBSXvVGNFHVH9uOEjxSUflk8PAydHsyHGsaAFEgYGBpTqaHwEJUr5oMd8 dQZ9RuoT23/gA+TeL81myLr58bpXPBYXEdxPx7X0SND2RD0eBAqM0g5yECuJ9efbiRYm fuQmzn7830qKFSFwMhXn73ffJJ8aYuthmaH2Y= Received: by 10.42.76.1 with SMTP id c1mr5444136ick.428.1312801311953; Mon, 08 Aug 2011 04:01:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from linlap.wavecable.com (76-14-154-236.rk.wavecable.com [76.14.154.236]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u1sm5464505icj.16.2011.08.08.04.01.50 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 08 Aug 2011 04:01:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 04:01:35 -0700 From: Steve Holmes To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110808110135.GA19780@linlap.wavecable.com> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4E3ECA87.4040500@att.net> <4E3F9361.1030807@brailcom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4E3F9361.1030807@brailcom.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] How to avoid sending test e-mails (was Re: test) X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 11:02:08 -0000 On Mon, Aug 08, 2011 at 09:42:25AM +0200, Tomas Cerha wrote: > Hello Guy, > > and everyone else who is using the mailing list for testing their > e-mail. I'd just like to recommend a simpler and more polite > method. Check the mailing list archive at > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/orca-list/ and compare it to your > inbox. You will see immediately whether you are missing any recent > posts or not. If you really want to receive a message to your > inbox, you can re-subscribe at > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list. The list will > notify you that you are already subscribed which should serve your > purpose as any other message from the list, but this message will go > only to you and you will avoid spamming other list members. Another trick would be to write something meaningful to the list that could provoke further discussion like asking a question that warrents an answer. then it is seemless and not some boaring test message. But the resubscribe message is a good idea though; that way, no trafic goes to the rest of the list members. From webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl Mon Aug 8 12:14:01 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B909A750195 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 12:14:01 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.813 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.813 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.812, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uiAUNmctW7Mf for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 12:13:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpo15.poczta.onet.pl (smtpo15.poczta.onet.pl [213.180.142.146]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1787975006A for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 12:13:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [193.200.46.16] (unknown [193.200.46.16]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl) by smtp.poczta.onet.pl (Onet) with ESMTPSA id 4354C2014FBB4 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 14:13:46 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=poczta.onet.pl; s=2011; t=1312805626; bh=B1cIkv7v6t3nbyzKkcLWhS/d+UonJ/p/6bktY8phKaY=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=NmFMcmW2DnpJ2YUEMtjFxiA9Y487qpox8xcKCsWAl0nYaX7MqIH9ZTgv3qhDA6dJn ReQr1AVf1gQeXwyTCYJrbJTs2U4nG0aQF5UuOSezaGmmN/v51C7VX1uqHKZ+jsnYrF PXaWXTDWeMJx7WJLUgeMREaKHNBuISvBY8E/nHgk= Message-ID: <4E3FD2F9.9050706@poczta.onet.pl> Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 14:13:45 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?TWljaGHFgiBaZWdhbg==?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110617 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4E3E95FC.80804@gmail.com> <4E3E99A0.2000701@deep.cz> <1312732185.2268.8.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> <1312744735.2601.0.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> <4E3EEBA6.8090707@gmail.com> <4E3EEC0F.8040305@gmail.com> <4E3F0CBD.9000602@gmail.com> <1312759979.3844.38.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> In-Reply-To: <1312759979.3844.38.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Audiobooks X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 12:14:02 -0000 Hey. I think vlc is written in qt, that's, at this time, the same as "completely inaccessible". There is a bridge from qt to gnome accessibility technologies being developed, I think it will be included in the new ubuntu in october, but it for the mean time, vlc is not accessible. W dniu 08.08.2011 01:32, Tami Kinney pisze: > Good information. I'll keep VLC around in case I want to use when/if the > accessibility gap is fixed or I decide it's worth having my sighted > roommates help me set up hot keys and memorize them. > > Tami > > On Sun, 2011-08-07 at 15:07 -0700, Robert Cole wrote: >> I am sorry. I forgot to add that the option with which to increase the >> playback speed of a file in VLC is found under Playback, Faster (fine). >> You can actually create shortcut keys to speed up and slow down playback >> if you go to the Tools menu, open the Preferences window, and then you >> will find a button to the left labeled "Hotkeys". Through this page you >> can set shortcut keys for many different things. >> >> Although this can be quite customizable and efficient, it does not at >> all negate the fact that the menus were not read out loud. This could be >> different for other users, though. I am using Orca in Linux Mint 11. >> >> Nevertheless, it seems that VLC would be a very viable option for the >> task at hand. >> >> >> >> On 08/07/2011 12:48 PM, Alex H. wrote: >>> Is VLC accessible to Orca? That has functions to speed/slow audio. >>> >>> alex >>> >>> On 8/7/2011 3:46 PM, Robert Cole wrote: >>>> If I remember correctly, I believe that there is a plugin for >>>> Audacious (a lightweight audio player) which allows for speeding up >>>> of an audio file. When I get some time, I'll have to check it out a >>>> little more in-depth and let you know. >>>> >>>> On 08/07/2011 12:18 PM, Tami Kinney wrote: >>>>> Thanks! I'd seen Audacity but wasn't sure... Now I've got it and have an >>>>> exciting new toy to play with.//smile// >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, 2011-08-07 at 13:20 -0400, Thomas Ward wrote: >>>>>>> Hi Tami, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Well, I don't know about a media player per say, but you can certainly >>>>>>> open the mp3, ogg, or whatever format you are using in Audacity and >>>>>>> then go to the effects menu and change the speed or use the speech >>>>>>> compressor option, and resave the book at your favorite speed. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To install Audacity, if you haven't already done so, is do >>>>>>> "sudo apt-get install audacity" >>>>>>> from the terminal and apt-get will fetch Audacity and install it. >>>>>>> Also you might want to install lame as well if you are working with >>>>>>> mp3s. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> HTH >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 8/7/11, Tami Kinney wrote: >>>>>>>> > Hi, all, >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > I'm an Orca newbie running Ubuntu 11.04. My prior Unix/Linux experience >>>>>>>> > is so long ago, I might as well be a Linux newbie, but I'm having fun >>>>>>>> > getting back into it and discovering all the cool new stuff while I"m >>>>>>>> > getting up to speed with Orca. I'm spending a lot of time learning how >>>>>>>> > to problem-solve myself while reading about what the rest of you are >>>>>>>> > doing. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Meanwhile, I want to take time out to read my audiobooks, but I like to >>>>>>>> > listen to them at a higher speed... I'm using Banshee for playing music >>>>>>>> > files, but I haven't found a plug in to allow me to increase play speed. >>>>>>>> > There seem to be a couple of programs for Linux to do that, but I can't >>>>>>>> > tell yet which ones would work with Orca. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Is anyone else using a media player that will enable them to increase >>>>>>>> > the playback speed for audiobooks with Orca? Any information will be >>>>>>>> > appreciated. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Tami >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> > orca-list mailing list >>>>>>>> > orca-list@gnome.org >>>>>>>> > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>>>>> > Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>>>>>>> > The manual is at >>>>>>>> > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>>>>>>> > The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>>>>>>> > Netiquette Guidelines are at >>>>>>>> > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>>>>>>> > Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>>>>>> > Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>>>>>> The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>>>>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>>>>>> Netiquette Guidelines are athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>>>>> Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>>>> The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>>>> Netiquette Guidelines are athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>>>> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>>> Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> orca-list mailing list >>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>>> The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>>> Netiquette Guidelines are athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>>> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>> Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >>> >>> -- >>> Sent via Thunderbird. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>> The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>> Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > From vincent.legoff.srs@gmail.com Mon Aug 8 13:10:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34ECF75012B for ; 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Mon, 08 Aug 2011 06:10:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.220.4 with HTTP; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 06:10:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 15:10:01 +0200 Message-ID: From: Vincent Le Goff To: orca-list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: [orca-list] Librairies supported by Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 13:10:13 -0000 Hi everyone, Orca devlopers and users I just read a message talking about Qt. I made tests with Tk / TCL lately and Orca can't read the window... well, with my current version, thhat is. When I checked on the Orca web page, I saw that it offered an accessibility for Gnome-like applications (I don't remember the name of the library, by now). I just wonder if, in the future, other librairies will be (or could be) supported. Thanks for your answers, Enjoy your Monday, as a Monday could be enjoyable. Vincent From linuxx64.bashsh@gmail.com Mon Aug 8 13:31:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D20D675012B for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 13:31:59 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ItQw5PNJtH9O for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 13:31:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gw0-f54.google.com (mail-gw0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AEFD75006A for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 13:31:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwb15 with SMTP id 15so3772605gwb.27 for ; Mon, 08 Aug 2011 06:31:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/ZnobSF2Qb8Yb/jrDur4qLBdQZ43ieouQl+MfkkjXbQ=; b=ukvTMsiF0b9eEuhlQQOAz8SzfLrT6JSMr/51mXcvbYqRtmoieYIHtO6Nwg/HrtChvO yLrbj7IsNsL9Rkdw845P4tW+GC9r7zFoHxGQo0+DDsCC2cN7hLwdUmKVZAk0qLy7kssi jSvP5CvvsOasOa74jmoEOXp4udPhHQRq9XbMs= Received: by 10.42.154.199 with SMTP id r7mr5574639icw.277.1312810307358; Mon, 08 Aug 2011 06:31:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.68] (99-53-108-47.lightspeed.ypslmi.sbcglobal.net [99.53.108.47]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fr11sm4245226ibb.29.2011.08.08.06.31.40 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 08 Aug 2011 06:31:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E3FE560.8060603@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 09:32:16 -0400 From: "Alex H." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Librairies supported by Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 13:32:00 -0000 hi, GTK is the one Orca has supported from the get-go. QT is in the works right now and an ATK bridge is being written to make QT accessible to Orca. HTH, alex On 8/8/2011 9:10 AM, Vincent Le Goff wrote: > Hi everyone, Orca devlopers and users > > I just read a message talking about Qt. I made tests with Tk / TCL > lately and Orca can't read the window... well, with my current > version, thhat is. > > When I checked on the Orca web page, I saw that it offered an > accessibility for Gnome-like applications (I don't remember the name > of the library, by now). > > I just wonder if, in the future, other librairies will be (or could > be) supported. > > Thanks for your answers, > > Enjoy your Monday, as a Monday could be enjoyable. > > Vincent > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp -- Sent via Thunderbird. From deedra@the-brannons.com Mon Aug 8 13:37:31 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33E55750184 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 13:37:31 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xa6E0d7Od2Pw for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 13:37:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hurricane.the-brannons.com (cbrannon.xen.prgmr.com [64.62.188.119]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 546D575012B for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 13:37:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2001:0:53aa:64c:3cfc:1933:9c4e:ff4] (unknown [IPv6:2001:0:53aa:64c:3cfc:1933:9c4e:ff4]) by hurricane.the-brannons.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7806F73C54 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 08:37:05 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4E3FE69B.6000603@the-brannons.com> Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 08:37:31 -0500 From: Deedra Waters User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110628 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] sorry to ask this a second time but... X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 13:37:31 -0000 n' I hate to ask this again because someone told me this once but i lost the message... What is the keystroke commands that vinux issues to the machine to force orca and speech dispatcher to restart? I know it kills speech dispatcher and restarts orca, what i need are the commands used. now that i'm more familiar with gnome/orca i need to duplicate the same set of keystrokes. I seem to have to force orca to restart quite often so i'm thinking i'll just bind it all to a keystroke the way vinux has it. From chmiel@deep.cz Mon Aug 8 13:57:24 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 630CA7501C4 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 13:57:24 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9qTWEaHarj0R for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 13:57:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-out4.iol.cz (smtp-out4.iol.cz [194.228.2.92]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1908875006A for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 13:57:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from antivir6.iol.cz (unknown [192.168.30.215]) by smtp-out4.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26952CE4315; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 13:57:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (antivir6.iol.cz [127.0.0.1]) by antivir6.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id C498E72005A; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 15:57:08 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at iol.cz Received: from antivir6.iol.cz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (antivir6.iol.cz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10224) with LMTP id wtduJFVHzH6D; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 15:57:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from port5.iol.cz (unknown [192.168.30.95]) by antivir6.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90495720051; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 15:57:08 +0200 (CEST) X-SBRS: None X-SBRS-none: None X-RECVLIST: MTA-OUT-IOL X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkILAA/qP05asFO7/2dsb2JhbAAMNoVApDQBAQEDAQEBNTYKARAsFg8JAwIBAgEVBioGDQEFAgKHbb44hkYEkwKJb4Z7 Received: from 187.83.broadband9.iol.cz (HELO [10.0.0.2]) ([90.176.83.187]) by port5.iol.cz with ESMTP; 08 Aug 2011 15:57:07 +0200 Message-ID: <4E3FEB2A.2090907@deep.cz> Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 15:56:58 +0200 From: "Mgr. Janusz Chmiel" Organization: Prodeep o.s User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110706 Firefox/5.0 SeaMonkey/2.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Deedra Waters References: <4E3FE69B.6000603@the-brannons.com> In-Reply-To: <4E3FE69B.6000603@the-brannons.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: [orca-list] Voiceman and Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 13:57:24 -0000 Deedra Waters napsal(a): > n' I hate to ask this again because someone told me this once but i > lost the message... > > What is the keystroke commands that vinux issues to the machine to > force orca and speech dispatcher to restart? > > I know it kills speech dispatcher and restarts orca, what i need are > the commands used. now that i'm more familiar with gnome/orca i need > to duplicate the same set of keystrokes. I seem to have to force orca > to restart quite often so i'm thinking i'll just bind it all to a > keystroke the way vinux has it. > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > Dear users and developers, May be, that somebody of us know about this speech server, but if no, i would like to introduce The new speech server Voiceman. The server is also written in C language like Speech-dispatcher, Speech-dispatcher developers would analyse The voiceman source code to find out, if many code have been copied from speech-dispatcher source code or no. Voiceman can use Alsa, Pulse audio and even there is some attempt to integrate direct Orca support. The main issue for me is, how to find The location of Orca customization script. It is really not easy task. Voiceman can be downloaded from The sourceforge.net and there are also instructions to compile this speech server. Voiceman is used in ALT Linux Homeros as A speech server. I have tried The live CD in The console mode and it seems to me, that this speech server would be stable. Here are simple steps in The strange form, but developers off Bash scripts will understand it very well. # wget ftp://ftp.altlinux.org/pub/people/msp/voiceman/1.5.0/voiceman-1.5.0.tar.gz ????? ????? ?????????? ? ??????? ??????, ??????????? ??? ?????????? VoiceMan: # sudo aptitude -y install libao-dev g++ ????????? ??????? ????????? ???????? ????? 6,5 ??. [???????]?????? ????? ??????????? ???????? ??????? ?????????? ??????????? ??????????? ????? ? ??????? ? ?????????? ??????????: # tar xf voiceman-1.5.0.tar.gz # cd voiceman-1.5.0 ?????????? ???????? ??????? ????? ???? ????????? ?????????? ?????????: # ./configure # make # sudo make install ? ?????? ???????? ??????????, ???????? ????????????????? ???????: # voicemand --say "test" ???? ????? ??? ????????, ??? ?????? ??? ???????????. [???????]??????????? ?????????????? ???????? voiceman ? ??????????? ??? ? Orca ??? ?????????????? ? Orca?????? ???? ??????? "?????????" ?????????? ???????? emacspeak: # sudo mkdir /opt/servers ? ????? /opt/servers/.servers?????? ???? ???????? ?????? "voiceman" ? ?????? ??????? ? ????? ?????: # echo voiceman > /opt/servers/.servers ?????????????? ? Orca?????? ????????? ?????? /opt/servers/voiceman?????????? ??????????: #!/bin/sh if [ -z "$EMACSPEAK_DIR" ]; then export VOICEMAN_EMACSPEAK_PITCH_SHIFT=20 export VOICEMAN_EMACSPEAK_RATE_FRACTION=10 fi exec /usr/local/bin/voiceman-emacspeak "$@" ??? ????? ??????? ?????? ???? ????????? ???????? ???????: sudo chmod 755 /opt/servers/voiceman ??? ??????????????? ??????? VoiceMan??? ?????? ??????? ?????????? ? ???? /etc/rc.local???????? ????????? ??????: /usr/local/bin/voicemand -d ??? ?????? ???? ???????? ?? ?????? "exit 0", ????? ??????????? ?? ?????. ??? ???????? ?????????? ?????????????? ? ??????? ???????? ????????? ????? Orca?????????? ??????? ???? orca-customizations.py?????????? ??????????: import orca.espeechfactory orca.espeechfactory.SpeechServer.location = '/opt/servers/' orca.espeechfactory._codeTable['voiceman'] = 'dectalk' orca.settings.speechServerFactory = 'orca.espeechfactory' orca.settings.speechServerInfo = ['voiceman','voiceman'] ???? ???????????? ??????? Ubuntu?????? 10.4??? ????, ?? ???? orca-customizations.py?????? ????????????? ? ?????????? ~/.orca, ??? "~" ?????????? ???????? ?????????? ????????????. ??? ??????????? ?????? Ubuntu???? ???? ?????? ????????????? ? ?????????? ~/.local/share/orca. ??? ??????? ? ???????????????? ????? /usr/local/etc/voiceman.conf, ??????????? ????? ??????? ????? ? /usr/local/bin, ????? ???????? ? ????? ????????? ????. ??? ?????? ????? ????????? ? ??????? voiceman-trim, ??????? ?????? ??????????? ??? /usr/local/bin/voiceman-trim. ????? ??????????? ???????? ? ???????????? ??????? Orca?????? ???????? ??? ?????? ???????? ??????? VoiceMan. ?? ?????? ????????? ? ????? /usr/local/etc/voiceman.conf?????? ??? ??????????? ??? ?????? ? ?????? ????????? ?????? ????. May be, that somebody of us will have The success and will make Orca compatible with this speech server. From kd7cyu@yahoo.com Mon Aug 8 17:02:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA7637501E5 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 17:02:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.642 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.642 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD=1.63, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5F3Ie8FLbYCV for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 17:02:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sh77.surpasshosting.com (sh77.surpasshosting.com [72.29.75.145]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B822C7501E0 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 17:02:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 67-132-104-130.dia.static.qwest.net ([67.132.104.130]:1564 helo=ats131.apptechsys.com) by sh77.surpasshosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QqTDk-0003uW-Hf for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 08 Aug 2011 13:02:32 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 10:02:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Masterson X-X-Sender: tom@tom-Linux-E6320 To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sh77.surpasshosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - yahoo.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: [orca-list] Connecting to a wireless network X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 17:02:45 -0000 I have Ubuntu 11.04 using classic (gnome). How do I connect to a wireless network using orca? Tom From tamara.8024@comcast.net Mon Aug 8 17:04:30 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 877077501E5 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 17:04:30 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.602 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.602 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.812, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zX2aqiEEBR4C for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 17:04:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25FB27501E0 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 17:04:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.52]) by qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Hsz81h00117UAYkA3t4B9l; Mon, 08 Aug 2011 17:04:11 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.18] ([76.115.112.13]) by omta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Ht4B1h00M0HPrVG8Zt4BfS; Mon, 08 Aug 2011 17:04:11 +0000 From: Tami Kinney To: orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <4E3F4B6E.5060909@gmail.com> References: <4E3E95FC.80804@gmail.com> <4E3E99A0.2000701@deep.cz> <1312732185.2268.8.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> <1312744735.2601.0.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> <4E3EEBA6.8090707@gmail.com> <4E3EEC0F.8040305@gmail.com> <4E3F0CBD.9000602@gmail.com> <1312759979.3844.38.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> <4E3F4B6E.5060909@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 10:04:12 -0700 Message-ID: <1312823052.2286.68.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Audiobooks X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 17:04:30 -0000 Yes, that does help! Thank you. I managed to spend my Sunday free time playing with Audacity and trying out different audio extractors that I got one disc of the book onto my driver where I wanted it and then didnt have time to listen to the book. /lol/ But I'm taking notes o I can start contributing ways and means when others ask. VLC does look very interesting, so I will try out your suggestions when I have the time to play again. /smile/ I do have future work-related reasons for learning more about working with audio files, so it's all good. Tami didn't Sun, 2011-08-07 at 19:35 -0700, Robert Cole wrote: > Hello again, Tami. > > I did a small bit more testing with VLC. Orca will not read the menus > for me in VLC, but if I open a file using CTRL+O, the Open File window > will appear; Orca does read the contents of this window for me. > > There are hotkeys which have been preset for speeding up and slowing > down playback speed. > > Please note that when I say "standard keyboard" in the following > statements, I mean a standard U.S. English QWERTY keyboard layout. I am > not at all familiar with other keyboard styles, so I apologize for that; > if you live in the United States, you very likely have a standard QWERTY > keyboard. > > 1. To speed up the playback of a file, just press the closing bracket > key ("]"), which is the second key to the right of the "P" key on a > standard keyboard. > > 2. To slow down playback of a file, just press the opening bracket key > ("["), which is the first key to the right of the "P" key on a standard > keyboard. > > 3. To return to the normal playback rate (the original playback rate) of > a file, just press the equal-sign key ("="), which is the second key to > the right of the "0" key at the top (the "number row") of a standard > keyboard. > > I hope that this helps, and that you can get to enjoy listening to your > audiobooks soon! > > If I can be of any further help, please let me know. > > Take care. > > On 08/07/2011 04:32 PM, Tami Kinney wrote: > > Good information. I'll keep VLC around in case I want to use when/if the > > accessibility gap is fixed or I decide it's worth having my sighted > > roommates help me set up hot keys and memorize them. > > > > Tami > > > > On Sun, 2011-08-07 at 15:07 -0700, Robert Cole wrote: > >> I am sorry. I forgot to add that the option with which to increase the > >> playback speed of a file in VLC is found under Playback, Faster (fine). > >> You can actually create shortcut keys to speed up and slow down playback > >> if you go to the Tools menu, open the Preferences window, and then you > >> will find a button to the left labeled "Hotkeys". Through this page you > >> can set shortcut keys for many different things. > >> > >> Although this can be quite customizable and efficient, it does not at > >> all negate the fact that the menus were not read out loud. This could be > >> different for other users, though. I am using Orca in Linux Mint 11. > >> > >> Nevertheless, it seems that VLC would be a very viable option for the > >> task at hand. > >> > >> > >> > >> On 08/07/2011 12:48 PM, Alex H. wrote: > >>> Is VLC accessible to Orca? That has functions to speed/slow audio. > >>> > >>> alex > >>> > >>> On 8/7/2011 3:46 PM, Robert Cole wrote: > >>>> If I remember correctly, I believe that there is a plugin for > >>>> Audacious (a lightweight audio player) which allows for speeding up > >>>> of an audio file. When I get some time, I'll have to check it out a > >>>> little more in-depth and let you know. > >>>> > >>>> On 08/07/2011 12:18 PM, Tami Kinney wrote: > >>>>> Thanks! I'd seen Audacity but wasn't sure... Now I've got it and have an > >>>>> exciting new toy to play with.//smile// > >>>>> > >>>>> On Sun, 2011-08-07 at 13:20 -0400, Thomas Ward wrote: > >>>>>>> Hi Tami, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Well, I don't know about a media player per say, but you can certainly > >>>>>>> open the mp3, ogg, or whatever format you are using in Audacity and > >>>>>>> then go to the effects menu and change the speed or use the speech > >>>>>>> compressor option, and resave the book at your favorite speed. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> To install Audacity, if you haven't already done so, is do > >>>>>>> "sudo apt-get install audacity" > >>>>>>> from the terminal and apt-get will fetch Audacity and install it. > >>>>>>> Also you might want to install lame as well if you are working with > >>>>>>> mp3s. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> HTH > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 8/7/11, Tami Kinney wrote: > >>>>>>>> > Hi, all, > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > I'm an Orca newbie running Ubuntu 11.04. My prior Unix/Linux experience > >>>>>>>> > is so long ago, I might as well be a Linux newbie, but I'm having fun > >>>>>>>> > getting back into it and discovering all the cool new stuff while I"m > >>>>>>>> > getting up to speed with Orca. I'm spending a lot of time learning how > >>>>>>>> > to problem-solve myself while reading about what the rest of you are > >>>>>>>> > doing. > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > Meanwhile, I want to take time out to read my audiobooks, but I like to > >>>>>>>> > listen to them at a higher speed... I'm using Banshee for playing music > >>>>>>>> > files, but I haven't found a plug in to allow me to increase play speed. > >>>>>>>> > There seem to be a couple of programs for Linux to do that, but I can't > >>>>>>>> > tell yet which ones would work with Orca. > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > Is anyone else using a media player that will enable them to increase > >>>>>>>> > the playback speed for audiobooks with Orca? Any information will be > >>>>>>>> > appreciated. > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > Tami > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>>> > _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>>> > orca-list mailing list > >>>>>>>> > orca-list@gnome.org > >>>>>>>> > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >>>>>>>> > Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > >>>>>>>> > The manual is at > >>>>>>>> > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > >>>>>>>> > The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > >>>>>>>> > Netiquette Guidelines are at > >>>>>>>> > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > >>>>>>>> > Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org > >>>>>>>> > Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > >>>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> orca-list mailing list > >>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org > >>>>>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > >>>>>>> The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > >>>>>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > >>>>>>> Netiquette Guidelines are athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > >>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org > >>>>>>> Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> orca-list mailing list > >>>>> orca-list@gnome.org > >>>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > >>>>> The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > >>>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > >>>>> Netiquette Guidelines are athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > >>>>> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org > >>>>> Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> orca-list mailing list > >>>> orca-list@gnome.org > >>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > >>>> The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > >>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > >>>> Netiquette Guidelines are athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > >>>> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org > >>>> Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Sent via Thunderbird. > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> orca-list mailing list > >>> orca-list@gnome.org > >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > >>> The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > >>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > >>> Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > >>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > >> _______________________________________________ > >> orca-list mailing list > >> orca-list@gnome.org > >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > >> The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > >> Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > _______________________________________________ > > orca-list mailing list > > orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl Mon Aug 8 17:04:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FE127501E0 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 17:04:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.813 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.813 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, 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You'll have two menubars. One is the standard menubar, another one is the indicator, there is the menu for connections. W dniu 08.08.2011 19:02, Tom Masterson pisze: > I have Ubuntu 11.04 using classic (gnome). How do I connect to a > wireless network using orca? > > Tom > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > From linuxx64.bashsh@gmail.com Mon Aug 8 17:05:04 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5373D75022D for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 17:05:04 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ISGQrTp8Yvol for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 17:05:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gw0-f54.google.com (mail-gw0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B0F17501E0 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 17:04:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwb15 with SMTP id 15so4001962gwb.27 for ; Mon, 08 Aug 2011 10:04:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Nez/VRlxZMf3TGE6TAi7P1XXjaDnRkHdXGnbE9yf13o=; b=MGx1VZSHcVZa/d9H690Odea0JmaS9moFaFuGLwPSdzwEnkMPvpIlSeOE/yKSkknUuF HhphvYdjGhcg2/P4gWI8fSfdul8N9Oo1l1K2s0/p1OySSndveIu6hiIyaK/K+yhS15hU 1p2wJdw3u/MrHRW2CE1gqAygFWEY3B4owCzco= Received: by 10.42.115.131 with SMTP id k3mr707382icq.511.1312823091355; Mon, 08 Aug 2011 10:04:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.68] (99-53-108-47.lightspeed.ypslmi.sbcglobal.net [99.53.108.47]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e8sm242842ibd.3.2011.08.08.10.04.49 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 08 Aug 2011 10:04:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E401755.40509@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 13:05:25 -0400 From: "Alex H." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Connecting to a wireless network X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 17:05:04 -0000 hit ctrl-alt-tab to the top panel, and tab around to the icons until you hear orca say "icon," then tap alt-f1 to see the tooltip is. If it's about networks, hit enter and you should be picking from a menu of networks. AIf that's not the right icon, just keeping tabbing til you get to the right icon. alex On 8/8/2011 1:02 PM, Tom Masterson wrote: > I have Ubuntu 11.04 using classic (gnome). How do I connect to a > wireless network using orca? > > Tom > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp -- Sent via Thunderbird. From tamara.8024@comcast.net Mon Aug 8 17:38:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CAF3750201 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 17:38:09 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.602 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.602 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.812, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eYyAjx23pvNP for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 17:38:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.228]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F25D7501E5 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 17:37:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.88]) by qmta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Hsyn1h0011u4NiLAFtdt9M; Mon, 08 Aug 2011 17:37:53 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.18] ([76.115.112.13]) by omta21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Htdq1h00k0HPrVG8htdr43; Mon, 08 Aug 2011 17:37:51 +0000 From: Tami Kinney To: orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 10:37:53 -0700 Message-ID: <1312825073.2286.78.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Connecting to a wireless network X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 17:38:09 -0000 Tom, If you're using the standard desktop US qwerty keyboard -- or, I believe the equivalent laptop keyboard -- hit F10 to access the menu bar. You can then use the arrow keys to move to the notification area to find the right icon. Mine doesn't announce which notification, icon is the one for networking, it just says "image," so I have to arrow down to read the first menu item for a given image to make sure I'm in the right menu for, say, sound or networking. Once you find the icon for networking, then you can arrow through the menu items, which will include wireless networks available to you, and you can find the network you want to connect to. I found this process a bit confusing at first, and still have to fumble around in it before I get the right connection. Once it's done, you're good to go, though and can set the network you want as your default connection. At the bottom of the menu you reach through the notification area, there are options to edit networks and a few other things. Sorry I can't be more specific. I'm a relative newbie, too, so still haven't quite figured out a quicker way without vague fumbling. /smile/ I do need to muck around with my router later on today or tomorrow, so if I learn anything new and useful, I will let you know. Good luck! Tami On Mon, 2011-08-08 at 10:02 -0700, Tom Masterson wrote: > I have Ubuntu 11.04 using classic (gnome). How do I connect to a wireless > network using orca? > > Tom > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From chmiel@deep.cz Mon Aug 8 17:51:52 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A57A750201 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 17:51:52 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id w-WSVuEjczFp for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 17:51:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-out4.iol.cz (smtp-out4.iol.cz [194.228.2.92]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C28FD7501E5 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 17:51:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from antivir6.iol.cz (unknown [192.168.30.215]) by smtp-out4.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 761D3CE40C1; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 17:51:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (antivir6.iol.cz [127.0.0.1]) by antivir6.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62A6D720051; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 19:51:38 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at iol.cz Received: from antivir6.iol.cz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (antivir6.iol.cz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10224) with LMTP id NKmF1JDWMvU3; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 19:51:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from port9.iol.cz (unknown [192.168.30.99]) by antivir6.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39280720036; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 19:51:38 +0200 (CEST) X-SBRS: None X-SBRS-none: None X-RECVLIST: MTA-OUT-IOL X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Al8LAGghQE5asFO7/2dsb2JhbAAMN4VApB0BAQEBAwEBATU2CgEQGQoJFg8JAwIBAgEVBioGDQEFAgKHbb4KhkcEkwKJb4Z7 Received: from 187.83.broadband9.iol.cz (HELO [10.0.0.2]) ([90.176.83.187]) by port9.iol.cz with ESMTP; 08 Aug 2011 19:51:37 +0200 Message-ID: <4E402221.8050005@deep.cz> Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 19:51:29 +0200 From: "Mgr. Janusz Chmiel" Organization: Prodeep o.s User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110706 Firefox/5.0 SeaMonkey/2.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tami Kinney References: <1312825073.2286.78.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> In-Reply-To: <1312825073.2286.78.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: [orca-list] ADRIANE Knoppix 6.7.0 have been released X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 17:51:52 -0000 Tami Kinney napsal(a): > Tom, > > If you're using the standard desktop US qwerty keyboard -- or, I believe > the equivalent laptop keyboard -- hit F10 to access the menu bar. You > can then use the arrow keys to move to the notification area to find the > right icon. Mine doesn't announce which notification, icon is the one > for networking, it just says "image," so I have to arrow down to read > the first menu item for a given image to make sure I'm in the right menu > for, say, sound or networking. Once you find the icon for networking, > then you can arrow through the menu items, which will include wireless > networks available to you, and you can find the network you want to > connect to. I found this process a bit confusing at first, and still > have to fumble around in it before I get the right connection. Once it's > done, you're good to go, though and can set the network you want as your > default connection. At the bottom of the menu you reach through the > notification area, there are options to edit networks and a few other > things. > > Sorry I can't be more specific. I'm a relative newbie, too, so still > haven't quite figured out a quicker way without vague fumbling. /smile/ > I do need to muck around with my router later on today or tomorrow, so > if I learn anything new and useful, I will let you know. > > Good luck! > > Tami > > On Mon, 2011-08-08 at 10:02 -0700, Tom Masterson wrote: >> I have Ubuntu 11.04 using classic (gnome). How do I connect to a wireless >> network using orca? >> >> Tom >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > Dear users, I would like to inform You, that MR Klaus Knopper have been released new Knoppix version. I would like to recommend You to download Knoppix DVD, because You can run Gnome with Orca fully functioning. -- Mgr. Janusz Chmiel From chaltain@gmail.com Mon Aug 8 18:57:50 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE53075022D for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 18:57:50 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fGyOYj98MX21 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 18:57:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E67B750201 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 18:57:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk28 with SMTP id 28so1201781gxk.27 for ; Mon, 08 Aug 2011 11:57:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Cs6qx00X5NEBsExZvQAR0xV3+Mz9vlvy3oartXFymY8=; b=O5i6Tre5NLHcTGAnkLBOKKiPx7ri/6TqlhXVWLp7BrmPkMPXOlrVQOb30kRtQRLl/e 7P00QNSlmnhsBgHhRpNu1FMQAbPf5SfUjUMGJbwwZt8Ne6g6Zg8hn2/IDHGuXTD3Wgff CLlStZMBAK1MsP6/ZpsbmzaF7c2eiBDKknpOE= Received: by 10.100.52.18 with SMTP id z18mr4737990anz.136.1312829857672; Mon, 08 Aug 2011 11:57:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.113] (cpe-173-174-56-115.austin.res.rr.com [173.174.56.115]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c5sm1562973anh.1.2011.08.08.11.57.36 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 08 Aug 2011 11:57:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E4031A0.7050400@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 13:57:36 -0500 From: Christopher Chaltain User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110516 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <1312825073.2286.78.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> <4E402221.8050005@deep.cz> In-Reply-To: <4E402221.8050005@deep.cz> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Wireless networks [was "Re: ADRIANE Knoppix 6.7.0 have been released"] X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 18:57:51 -0000 I don't understand the instructions below. What application are you in when you hit F10? I'm running vinux 3.2.1, which is based on Ubuntu 11.04 and uses the Gnome Classic desktop, and if I want to access a wireless network,I do the following: First, I press control+alt+tab until I hear something like "bottom expanded edge panel". I then use the tab or shift+tab keys until I get to "NM Applet Icon". At this point, I press the space bar to open the menu and then down arrow until I hear the network I'm interested in. Once I hear the network I want to connect to, I just hit the enter key. On 08/08/11 12:51, Mgr. Janusz Chmiel wrote: > Tami Kinney napsal(a): >> Tom, >> >> If you're using the standard desktop US qwerty keyboard -- or, I believe >> the equivalent laptop keyboard -- hit F10 to access the menu bar. You >> can then use the arrow keys to move to the notification area to find the >> right icon. Mine doesn't announce which notification, icon is the one >> for networking, it just says "image," so I have to arrow down to read >> the first menu item for a given image to make sure I'm in the right menu >> for, say, sound or networking. Once you find the icon for networking, >> then you can arrow through the menu items, which will include wireless >> networks available to you, and you can find the network you want to >> connect to. I found this process a bit confusing at first, and still >> have to fumble around in it before I get the right connection. Once it's >> done, you're good to go, though and can set the network you want as your >> default connection. At the bottom of the menu you reach through the >> notification area, there are options to edit networks and a few other >> things. >> >> Sorry I can't be more specific. I'm a relative newbie, too, so still >> haven't quite figured out a quicker way without vague fumbling. /smile/ >> I do need to muck around with my router later on today or tomorrow, so >> if I learn anything new and useful, I will let you know. >> >> Good luck! >> >> Tami >> >> On Mon, 2011-08-08 at 10:02 -0700, Tom Masterson wrote: >>> I have Ubuntu 11.04 using classic (gnome). How do I connect to a >>> wireless >>> network using orca? >>> >>> Tom >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>> The manual is at >>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>> Netiquette Guidelines are at >>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>> >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at >> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Netiquette Guidelines are at >> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >> > Dear users, > I would like to inform You, that MR Klaus Knopper have been released > new Knoppix version. I would like to recommend You to download Knoppix > DVD, because You can run Gnome with Orca fully functioning. > > -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain@gmail.com From kd7cyu@yahoo.com Mon Aug 8 19:44:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6450750245 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 19:44:33 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Spam-Score: 2.561 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=2.561 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD=1.63, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FREEMAIL_REPLY=1.929, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ti+ihrU5rLQC for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 19:44:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sh77.surpasshosting.com (sh77.surpasshosting.com [72.29.75.145]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47943750239 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 19:44:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 67-132-104-130.dia.static.qwest.net ([67.132.104.130]:1788 helo=ats131.apptechsys.com) by sh77.surpasshosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QqVkK-00037Z-QB; Mon, 08 Aug 2011 15:44:21 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 12:44:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Masterson X-X-Sender: tom@tom-Linux-E6320 To: Christopher Chaltain In-Reply-To: <4E4031A0.7050400@gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <1312825073.2286.78.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> <4E402221.8050005@deep.cz> <4E4031A0.7050400@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sh77.surpasshosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - yahoo.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Wireless networks [was "Re: ADRIANE Knoppix 6.7.0 have been released"] X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 19:44:33 -0000 Now all I have to do is figure out where my computer got screwed up because ctrl-alt-tab doesn't do anything. Tom On Mon, 8 Aug 2011, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > I don't understand the instructions below. What application are you in > when you hit F10? > > I'm running vinux 3.2.1, which is based on Ubuntu 11.04 and uses the > Gnome Classic desktop, and if I want to access a wireless network,I do > the following: > > First, I press control+alt+tab until I hear something like "bottom > expanded edge panel". I then use the tab or shift+tab keys until I get > to "NM Applet Icon". At this point, I press the space bar to open the > menu and then down arrow until I hear the network I'm interested in. > Once I hear the network I want to connect to, I just hit the enter key. > > On 08/08/11 12:51, Mgr. Janusz Chmiel wrote: >> Tami Kinney napsal(a): >>> Tom, >>> >>> If you're using the standard desktop US qwerty keyboard -- or, I believe >>> the equivalent laptop keyboard -- hit F10 to access the menu bar. You >>> can then use the arrow keys to move to the notification area to find the >>> right icon. Mine doesn't announce which notification, icon is the one >>> for networking, it just says "image," so I have to arrow down to read >>> the first menu item for a given image to make sure I'm in the right menu >>> for, say, sound or networking. Once you find the icon for networking, >>> then you can arrow through the menu items, which will include wireless >>> networks available to you, and you can find the network you want to >>> connect to. I found this process a bit confusing at first, and still >>> have to fumble around in it before I get the right connection. Once it's >>> done, you're good to go, though and can set the network you want as your >>> default connection. At the bottom of the menu you reach through the >>> notification area, there are options to edit networks and a few other >>> things. >>> >>> Sorry I can't be more specific. I'm a relative newbie, too, so still >>> haven't quite figured out a quicker way without vague fumbling. /smile/ >>> I do need to muck around with my router later on today or tomorrow, so >>> if I learn anything new and useful, I will let you know. >>> >>> Good luck! >>> >>> Tami >>> >>> On Mon, 2011-08-08 at 10:02 -0700, Tom Masterson wrote: >>>> I have Ubuntu 11.04 using classic (gnome). How do I connect to a >>>> wireless >>>> network using orca? >>>> >>>> Tom >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> orca-list mailing list >>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>>> The manual is at >>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>>> Netiquette Guidelines are at >>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>>> >>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>> The manual is at >>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>> Netiquette Guidelines are at >>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >>> >> Dear users, >> I would like to inform You, that MR Klaus Knopper have been released >> new Knoppix version. I would like to recommend You to download Knoppix >> DVD, because You can run Gnome with Orca fully functioning. >> >> > > > -- > Christopher (CJ) > chaltain@gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > From chaltain@gmail.com Mon Aug 8 22:18:49 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8A3C75022D for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 22:18:49 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mogxhcOMWLOj for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 22:18:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gw0-f54.google.com (mail-gw0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5D97750201 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 22:18:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwb15 with SMTP id 15so4264988gwb.27 for ; Mon, 08 Aug 2011 15:18:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=fZfUyUln84qju0sTduwvEVc2thkD5EeBCbGKrWvF0G0=; b=o+zBKn8m7Ct3sMBI/GvYtIXG8IG57POftpc9uCtJnhBF2yWER48nAuYf9nxlc4qwYp w0JOa/gQDRN+hXKwLi4uBbmK1I1d5LEWC721Zx/t59BsFIO+CCvxmwuzQAVm1ZMyP08n 4kOjr8sgpJ9VUVZB2361cZyuZ8+VYyL+xyQrE= Received: by 10.101.168.5 with SMTP id v5mr5023944ano.14.1312841915879; Mon, 08 Aug 2011 15:18:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.113] (cpe-173-174-56-115.austin.res.rr.com [173.174.56.115]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l14sm574780anl.34.2011.08.08.15.18.35 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 08 Aug 2011 15:18:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E4060BA.80500@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 17:18:34 -0500 From: Christopher Chaltain User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110516 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <1312825073.2286.78.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> <4E402221.8050005@deep.cz> <4E4031A0.7050400@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Wireless networks [was "Re: ADRIANE Knoppix 6.7.0 have been released"] X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 22:18:50 -0000 Could it be that you don't have any panels to jump between with control+alt+tab? Like I said, I'm running vinux, and I think tony configures the desktop to include this bottom panel. I'm not sure what the stock Ubuntu distribution comes with. On 08/08/11 14:44, Tom Masterson wrote: > Now all I have to do is figure out where my computer got screwed up > because ctrl-alt-tab doesn't do anything. > > Tom > > > On Mon, 8 Aug 2011, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > >> I don't understand the instructions below. What application are you in >> when you hit F10? >> >> I'm running vinux 3.2.1, which is based on Ubuntu 11.04 and uses the >> Gnome Classic desktop, and if I want to access a wireless network,I do >> the following: >> >> First, I press control+alt+tab until I hear something like "bottom >> expanded edge panel". I then use the tab or shift+tab keys until I get >> to "NM Applet Icon". At this point, I press the space bar to open the >> menu and then down arrow until I hear the network I'm interested in. >> Once I hear the network I want to connect to, I just hit the enter key. >> >> On 08/08/11 12:51, Mgr. Janusz Chmiel wrote: >>> Tami Kinney napsal(a): >>>> Tom, >>>> >>>> If you're using the standard desktop US qwerty keyboard -- or, I >>>> believe >>>> the equivalent laptop keyboard -- hit F10 to access the menu bar. You >>>> can then use the arrow keys to move to the notification area to >>>> find the >>>> right icon. Mine doesn't announce which notification, icon is the one >>>> for networking, it just says "image," so I have to arrow down to read >>>> the first menu item for a given image to make sure I'm in the right >>>> menu >>>> for, say, sound or networking. Once you find the icon for networking, >>>> then you can arrow through the menu items, which will include wireless >>>> networks available to you, and you can find the network you want to >>>> connect to. I found this process a bit confusing at first, and still >>>> have to fumble around in it before I get the right connection. Once >>>> it's >>>> done, you're good to go, though and can set the network you want as >>>> your >>>> default connection. At the bottom of the menu you reach through the >>>> notification area, there are options to edit networks and a few other >>>> things. >>>> >>>> Sorry I can't be more specific. I'm a relative newbie, too, so still >>>> haven't quite figured out a quicker way without vague fumbling. >>>> /smile/ >>>> I do need to muck around with my router later on today or tomorrow, so >>>> if I learn anything new and useful, I will let you know. >>>> >>>> Good luck! >>>> >>>> Tami >>>> >>>> On Mon, 2011-08-08 at 10:02 -0700, Tom Masterson wrote: >>>>> I have Ubuntu 11.04 using classic (gnome). How do I connect to a >>>>> wireless >>>>> network using orca? >>>>> >>>>> Tom >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>>>> The manual is at >>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>>>> Netiquette Guidelines are at >>>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> orca-list mailing list >>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>>> The manual is at >>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>>> Netiquette Guidelines are at >>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>>> >>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >>>> >>> Dear users, >>> I would like to inform You, that MR Klaus Knopper have been released >>> new Knoppix version. I would like to recommend You to download Knoppix >>> DVD, because You can run Gnome with Orca fully functioning. >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Christopher (CJ) >> chaltain@gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at >> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Netiquette Guidelines are at >> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >> -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain@gmail.com From themuso@ubuntu.com Tue Aug 9 01:44:07 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D1F075029B for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 01:44:07 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IRJ4M03udsPM for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 01:44:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nschwqsrv02p.mx.bigpond.com (nschwqsrv02p.mx.bigpond.com [61.9.189.234]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54663750273 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 01:43:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nschwotgx04p.mx.bigpond.com ([58.160.38.86]) by nschwmtas06p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20110808231522.IKLV18547.nschwmtas06p.mx.bigpond.com@nschwotgx04p.mx.bigpond.com> for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 23:15:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([58.160.38.86]) by nschwotgx04p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20110808231522.LXKT1687.nschwotgx04p.mx.bigpond.com@localhost> for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 23:15:22 +0000 Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 09:15:21 +1000 From: Luke Yelavich To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110808231521.GA3685@strigy.yelavich.home> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-SIH-MSG-ID: qRw7F9L/TAD0zmZ50TCxOw4nyF2wq3gv8ZoaRdJiqQQbRFjLv9GjHJSzAuYW0Z7uxDxPPBuANGMic67kXI7r Subject: Re: [orca-list] Connecting to a wireless network X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 01:44:07 -0000 On Tue, Aug 09, 2011 at 03:02:24AM EST, Tom Masterson wrote: > I have Ubuntu 11.04 using classic (gnome). How do I connect to a > wireless network using orca? Press Windows key + M. You will land on a menu that is for messaging. Press left arrow until you hear something related to networkng. ou should then be in the network manager menu. Arrow down that menu to find the network you want to connect to. I hope to have sed menus much more clearly indicated by Ubuntu 12.04, the next LTS. Luke From chaltain@gmail.com Tue Aug 9 08:07:47 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49C057502DB for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 08:07:47 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NOsecWNskJit for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 08:07:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gw0-f54.google.com (mail-gw0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 819137502D5 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 08:07:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwb15 with SMTP id 15so4523041gwb.27 for ; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 01:07:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=MzuQCFl+fZmiVu1uoBhKHjK9qcX0S5NI6WHAy6AmUcE=; b=o5m94JtQtDZCBwhQz41yrQeNb6pwykkeG9nwmDhFbWQ24o/VAGc2rujwj2eyY3zO/y r2pywCNKKtody6KHv8fTHfVFiIQ562QyqRD1IQKmlJW5O7nZIl4ZZEbqM46q9T420Db/ Sn998E9VMaBOh+l2QJImriQedHZS2DPhifL2U= Received: by 10.91.58.14 with SMTP id l14mr5495807agk.144.1312877255524; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 01:07:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.113] (cpe-173-174-56-115.austin.res.rr.com [173.174.56.115]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v20sm5523780ani.41.2011.08.09.01.07.34 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 09 Aug 2011 01:07:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E40EAC5.8020101@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 03:07:33 -0500 From: Christopher Chaltain User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110516 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20110808231521.GA3685@strigy.yelavich.home> In-Reply-To: <20110808231521.GA3685@strigy.yelavich.home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Connecting to a wireless network X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 08:07:47 -0000 On 08/08/11 18:15, Luke Yelavich wrote: > On Tue, Aug 09, 2011 at 03:02:24AM EST, Tom Masterson wrote: >> I have Ubuntu 11.04 using classic (gnome). How do I connect to a >> wireless network using orca? > Press Windows key + M. You will land on a menu that is for messaging. Press left arrow until you hear something related to networkng. ou should then be in the network manager menu. Arrow down that menu to find the network you want to connect to. > > I hope to have sed menus much more clearly indicated by Ubuntu 12.04, the next LTS. > > Luke Where do I have to be for Windows+m to take me to this messaging menu? When I press Windows+m at the desktop, I just hear "text m". I'm running vinux 3.2.1 (Ubuntu 11.04) with the Gnome Classic desktop, which is what I think the original poster is running. Is this Windows+m a Unity key stroke by any chance? -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain@gmail.com From hackingkk@gmail.com Tue Aug 9 08:21:47 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Delivered-To: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B558475022F for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 08:21:47 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FgGqcC28uWfP for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 08:21:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pz0-f41.google.com (mail-pz0-f41.google.com [209.85.210.41]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 022F37500E4 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 08:21:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk4 with SMTP id 4so4011112pzk.0 for ; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 01:21:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=kas/MGSFO8qdJi+YtgiJtUoEGow7ygxyrjhFqlkYxro=; b=Rq+twnBBhab/CvI/tkC/AxO1eMgWTXoElZ6+TGG5jJr3hgvUJZOhc/YBu7WUObzOJb GBQjSdXk+Hf9GR+HMpyc7On9LUfQPScgqi27p8g3zvIVJRLFJPl3+JGG+dqSE9F9MBWb dQL7OAEsZGmezYHJV3n6SLpCtjXgNonzh4CVg= Received: by 10.142.250.35 with SMTP id x35mr912430wfh.94.1312878095978; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 01:21:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [106.76.117.210] ([106.76.117.210]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f8sm1347201pbk.54.2011.08.09.01.21.32 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 09 Aug 2011 01:21:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E40EDFE.7000401@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 13:51:18 +0530 From: hackingKK User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110424 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] orca does not announce selected cells in calc X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 08:21:47 -0000 Hello all, I am using orca 3.1.4 xdesktop and libre office. I found that when I try to select cells using shift right arrow for setting a range for merging, orca does not announce the selected cells. I use libre office 3.3 So could some one tell me if this is a known bug or is there a work around or a patch? I am pretty well used to using calc, but if i were to teach this to an average blind person or let's say make tutorials, this is not a good thing. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. From chaltain@gmail.com Tue Aug 9 08:39:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ORCA-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: ORCA-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA72C7502FD for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 08:39:23 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ORuoVBHxQfjZ for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 08:39:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gw0-f54.google.com (mail-gw0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E0C77502D4 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 08:39:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwb15 with SMTP id 15so4537782gwb.27 for ; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 01:39:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=hzlHPEQKVb9tzj2hRcayUPdRGCJmsDdGV1SKiC2ZxDo=; b=EGyafy8e3WQFdu+/JN81wpOOO0Xg8JKg1ufpSRe3cG9oEBF1oT0C/vFn87uGFK+5nQ SAZhzHfHac1X3ckD8RLn1GSqxtk4z/b1Qx6pyVVnvG+obO3C+xuR3aWs0nW6DRH5Vmj2 HlpGE9zJiuZvxvl2RXe+pF84gY0MHP+Wv/zMw= Received: by 10.147.10.3 with SMTP id n3mr5524915yai.2.1312879151683; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 01:39:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.113] (cpe-173-174-56-115.austin.res.rr.com [173.174.56.115]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c5sm2042191anh.1.2011.08.09.01.39.10 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 09 Aug 2011 01:39:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E40F22E.7000207@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 03:39:10 -0500 From: Christopher Chaltain User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110516 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ORCA-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Moving to the next word in flat review with the laptop keyboard layout X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 08:39:24 -0000 I'm running Vinux 3.2.1 (Ubuntu 11.04, Orca 3.1.2-xdesktop and the Classic Gnome desktop), and in the laptop keyboard bindings, the function to move to the next word in flat review is mapped to numpad-6. It is not mapped to Orca+l. I had to change this manually. I reported this on the Vinux mailing list, but it didn't seem to be an artifact with Vinux. Has anyone else seen this problem? Any chance it's been fixed in a newer version of Orca? -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain@gmail.com From hammera@pickup.hu Tue Aug 9 09:53:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0805B750288 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 09:53:56 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.711 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.711 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.811] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8guQ4lcoKLWN for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 09:53:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EE0B750081 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 09:53:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (unknown [89.251.46.211]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id DB4DBE86FC for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 11:35:59 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4E4103A6.4030904@pickup.hu> Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 11:53:42 +0200 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110617 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4E40F22E.7000207@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4E40F22E.7000207@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Moving to the next word in flat review with the laptop keyboard layout X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 09:53:56 -0000 Hy Christopher, This problem is not Orca specific problem I think, perhaps your Orca configuration file with packaged in Vinux is containing wrong keybinding this command. My original Ubuntu 10.04.3 system this keystroke works right, I using Orca 3.1.5pre-xdesktop with laptop layout. I checked in orca source code with src/orca/laptop_keyboardmap.py file, the code is full right: ("l", defaultModifierMask, ORCA_MODIFIER_MASK, "reviewNextItemHandler"), Attila From webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl Tue Aug 9 10:31:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65BB27500D7 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 10:31:10 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.812 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.812 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.811, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kJqeWCnwiqez for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 10:31:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpo05.poczta.onet.pl (smtpo05.poczta.onet.pl [213.180.142.136]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 604E37500CC for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 10:30:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [193.200.46.16] (unknown [193.200.46.16]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl) by smtp.poczta.onet.pl (Onet) with ESMTPSA id 69B79200B6DB0 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 12:30:56 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=poczta.onet.pl; s=2011; t=1312885856; bh=UAkHAIq4r5g9WVMB1d0UozXFSLXjghEybdLS9sl+6Go=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=gVhkS5T0IuzMBeO0dT3Ou+qvFCkOV7hbhdpW/3fiPMuFlKpwno0Aq14v1fraVrIfQ ZmllF8SNlfiTDcruDdVadufwcJ7J6u+Ahh+SFA9PFiuQiQJ+6LNxHwXsMgARgCGzQM DprAzEimCNj3FmcDhtArnVdgPH1GLJnwqf3KFbBE= Message-ID: <4E410C60.8030107@poczta.onet.pl> Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 12:30:56 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?TWljaGHFgiBaZWdhbg==?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110617 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20110808231521.GA3685@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E40EAC5.8020101@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4E40EAC5.8020101@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Connecting to a wireless network X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 10:31:10 -0000 Try going to the session menu by pressing win+s, maybe? Other instructions are the same. W dniu 09.08.2011 10:07, Christopher Chaltain pisze: > On 08/08/11 18:15, Luke Yelavich wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 09, 2011 at 03:02:24AM EST, Tom Masterson wrote: >>> I have Ubuntu 11.04 using classic (gnome). How do I connect to a >>> wireless network using orca? >> Press Windows key + M. You will land on a menu that is for messaging. Press left arrow until you hear something related to networkng. ou should then be in the network manager menu. Arrow down that menu to find the network you want to connect to. >> >> I hope to have sed menus much more clearly indicated by Ubuntu 12.04, the next LTS. >> >> Luke > Where do I have to be for Windows+m to take me to this messaging menu? > When I press Windows+m at the desktop, I just hear "text m". I'm running > vinux 3.2.1 (Ubuntu 11.04) with the Gnome Classic desktop, which is what > I think the original poster is running. > > Is this Windows+m a Unity key stroke by any chance? > From kd7cyu@yahoo.com Tue Aug 9 13:31:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7955C7500CD for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 13:31:59 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.632 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.632 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD=1.63, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lpGJwk8wu6RP for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 13:31:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sh77.surpasshosting.com (sh77.surpasshosting.com [72.29.75.145]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1938D7500AF for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 13:31:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-76-121-69-115.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([76.121.69.115]:33611 helo=tom-laptop.local) by sh77.surpasshosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QqmPI-0007l5-AW; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 09:31:44 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 06:31:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Masterson X-X-Sender: kd7cyu@tom-laptop To: Luke Yelavich In-Reply-To: <20110808231521.GA3685@strigy.yelavich.home> Message-ID: References: <20110808231521.GA3685@strigy.yelavich.home> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sh77.surpasshosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - yahoo.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Connecting to a wireless network X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 13:31:59 -0000 Thanks Luke that seems to work. On a slightly unrelated note where can I go to keep abreast of accessibility progress with unity? Tom On Tue, 9 Aug 2011, Luke Yelavich wrote: > On Tue, Aug 09, 2011 at 03:02:24AM EST, Tom Masterson wrote: >> I have Ubuntu 11.04 using classic (gnome). How do I connect to a >> wireless network using orca? > > Press Windows key + M. You will land on a menu that is for messaging. Press left arrow until you hear something related to networkng. ou should then be in the network manager menu. Arrow down that menu to find the network you want to connect to. > > I hope to have sed menus much more clearly indicated by Ubuntu 12.04, the next LTS. > > Luke > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > From chaltain@gmail.com Tue Aug 9 14:26:21 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69264750006 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 14:26:21 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yjF7qpeuCYcP for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 14:26:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 916BD750070 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 14:26:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk28 with SMTP id 28so39797gxk.27 for ; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 07:26:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=1sECIbaOeezp7kTSgX65aPOSG4Hco5A48JvqNeXQfBo=; b=ZhON2dSH24MFXSWBai3OhWhCbG6we9IzGnHxmnqUwsIeBtMdl+J2hxV6gndbTp7Tb4 oQIQ/P1C/GQwE23QtHxKd0VirrMk1DmRtYQ6Oge25CYcl0zQ92dNdnfStyXNaRRhxslt nbkDNVmWHhn9Im6KFyp4Q3q0oe2RVT7lLEUQ4= Received: by 10.236.136.130 with SMTP id w2mr2678808yhi.192.1312899967887; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 07:26:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.113] (cpe-173-174-56-115.austin.res.rr.com [173.174.56.115]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n45sm179767yhm.82.2011.08.09.07.26.06 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 09 Aug 2011 07:26:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E41437E.3070705@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 09:26:06 -0500 From: Christopher Chaltain User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110516 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20110808231521.GA3685@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E40EAC5.8020101@gmail.com> <4E410C60.8030107@poczta.onet.pl> In-Reply-To: <4E410C60.8030107@poczta.onet.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Connecting to a wireless network X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 14:26:21 -0000 Hmm, Windows+s doesn't do anything for me either. I wonder what I'm doing wrong. Again, I'm running Vinux 3.2.1, Ubuntu 11.04, Orca 3.1.2-xdesktop and Gnome 2. I've tried these keys on my desktop, inside an application, like thunderbird, and from the bottom edge panel. On 09/08/11 05:30, Michał Zegan wrote: > Try going to the session menu by pressing win+s, maybe? > Other instructions are the same. > W dniu 09.08.2011 10:07, Christopher Chaltain pisze: >> On 08/08/11 18:15, Luke Yelavich wrote: >>> On Tue, Aug 09, 2011 at 03:02:24AM EST, Tom Masterson wrote: >>>> I have Ubuntu 11.04 using classic (gnome). How do I connect to a >>>> wireless network using orca? >>> Press Windows key + M. You will land on a menu that is for >>> messaging. Press left arrow until you hear something related to >>> networkng. ou should then be in the network manager menu. Arrow down >>> that menu to find the network you want to connect to. >>> >>> I hope to have sed menus much more clearly indicated by Ubuntu >>> 12.04, the next LTS. >>> >>> Luke >> Where do I have to be for Windows+m to take me to this messaging menu? >> When I press Windows+m at the desktop, I just hear "text m". I'm running >> vinux 3.2.1 (Ubuntu 11.04) with the Gnome Classic desktop, which is what >> I think the original poster is running. >> >> Is this Windows+m a Unity key stroke by any chance? >> > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain@gmail.com From kd7cyu@yahoo.com Tue Aug 9 14:50:01 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59E8D7500CC for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 14:50:01 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.632 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.632 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD=1.63, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K1NndD01xCw9 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 14:49:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sh77.surpasshosting.com (sh77.surpasshosting.com [72.29.75.145]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CE2675007E for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 14:49:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 67-132-104-130.dia.static.qwest.net ([67.132.104.130]:2865 helo=ats131.apptechsys.com) by sh77.surpasshosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qqnco-0002wg-Gs; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 10:49:46 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 07:49:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Masterson X-X-Sender: tom@tom-Linux-E6320 To: Tom Masterson In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20110808231521.GA3685@strigy.yelavich.home> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sh77.surpasshosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - yahoo.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Connecting to a wireless network X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 14:50:01 -0000 Hmmm very interesting. I have two different computers running Ubuntu 11.04. On one the windows-m or windows-s work on the other it does not. The one that it works on was an upgrade from previous versions of Ubuntu and the one it does not work on is a new install. Any ideas what may be the difference that would cause it not to work on a new install? Tom On Tue, 9 Aug 2011, Tom Masterson wrote: > Thanks Luke that seems to work. > > On a slightly unrelated note where can I go to keep abreast of accessibility > progress with unity? > > Tom > > On Tue, 9 Aug 2011, Luke Yelavich wrote: > >> On Tue, Aug 09, 2011 at 03:02:24AM EST, Tom Masterson wrote: >>> I have Ubuntu 11.04 using classic (gnome). How do I connect to a >>> wireless network using orca? >> >> Press Windows key + M. You will land on a menu that is for messaging. Press >> left arrow until you hear something related to networkng. ou should then be >> in the network manager menu. Arrow down that menu to find the network you >> want to connect to. >> >> I hope to have sed menus much more clearly indicated by Ubuntu 12.04, the >> next LTS. >> >> Luke >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at >> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Netiquette Guidelines are at >> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >> > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > From chaltain@gmail.com Tue Aug 9 14:56:42 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A30E7500AF for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 14:56:42 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uBGXaohTofN6 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 14:56:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yi0-f54.google.com (mail-yi0-f54.google.com [209.85.218.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDCB175007E for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 14:56:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yib19 with SMTP id 19so75368yib.27 for ; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 07:56:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=lKzWuMClVmI3LQ765XGeqaxkYBakhJp2hBtBK4dKuq0=; b=ZfGtrcADE//k5P/78c1aYWaJUUDYNUbj5x4e5QZrfB2xdNuXdd1k1FNG5XoHWVH0yN 1sUGJRYucrT7mTYCNMcscOSjPP+Nwev69CO4H79ednv0WEsB/u1jIkjx8uwgTdGtm2qo IqvxBTypcsYHP2G3T3nFIKGJ+g61DbPcNGewo= Received: by 10.101.144.18 with SMTP id w18mr2139190ann.133.1312901789974; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 07:56:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.113] (cpe-173-174-56-115.austin.res.rr.com [173.174.56.115]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k20sm1283and.31.2011.08.09.07.56.28 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 09 Aug 2011 07:56:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E414A9B.3030506@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 09:56:27 -0500 From: Christopher Chaltain User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110516 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20110808231521.GA3685@strigy.yelavich.home> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Connecting to a wireless network X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 14:56:42 -0000 Ah, interesting, this is a new install. On 09/08/11 09:49, Tom Masterson wrote: > Hmmm very interesting. I have two different computers running Ubuntu > 11.04. On one the windows-m or windows-s work on the other it does > not. The one that it works on was an upgrade from previous versions of > Ubuntu and the one it does not work on is a new install. > > Any ideas what may be the difference that would cause it not to work > on a new install? > > Tom > > On Tue, 9 Aug 2011, Tom Masterson wrote: > >> Thanks Luke that seems to work. >> >> On a slightly unrelated note where can I go to keep abreast of >> accessibility progress with unity? >> >> Tom >> >> On Tue, 9 Aug 2011, Luke Yelavich wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Aug 09, 2011 at 03:02:24AM EST, Tom Masterson wrote: >>>> I have Ubuntu 11.04 using classic (gnome). How do I connect to a >>>> wireless network using orca? >>> >>> Press Windows key + M. You will land on a menu that is for >>> messaging. Press left arrow until you hear something related to >>> networkng. ou should then be in the network manager menu. Arrow down >>> that menu to find the network you want to connect to. >>> >>> I hope to have sed menus much more clearly indicated by Ubuntu >>> 12.04, the next LTS. >>> >>> Luke >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>> The manual is at >>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>> Netiquette Guidelines are at >>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>> >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at >> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Netiquette Guidelines are at >> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >> > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain@gmail.com From steve.holmes88@gmail.com Tue Aug 9 18:22:40 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Delivered-To: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20414750079 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 18:22:40 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.59 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.59 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WnjjQkYbqDOM for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 18:22:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pz0-f41.google.com (mail-pz0-f41.google.com [209.85.210.41]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDCFC75009F for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 18:22:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk4 with SMTP id 4so405195pzk.0 for ; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 11:22:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=lqREPGRNXWEc59amLTspXqqmVIlnHwpCgOdeDeoAfe4=; b=ni/EyuoBWDRZL+UJT80yXcwTdjtHLMgck6mMdu+c0lVairDvDU300IVFa841HxT6jM 44wd/RF/VvBm5kSXHkTKzH/jQ1A+24NzqM3TN6vi0EWSLr1AwfTYoeOWayIAv0mLxzVS iVBnvc0wGr2EKZIiUxC72wLJ8cb9Cr/svSAVQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.245.21 with SMTP id s21mr6688723wfh.11.1312914148231; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 11:22:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.48.168 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 11:22:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4E40EDFE.7000401@gmail.com> References: <4E40EDFE.7000401@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 11:22:28 -0700 Message-ID: From: Steve Holmes To: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: [orca-list] orca does not announce selected cells in calc X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 18:22:40 -0000 This is an old bug and I haven't ever heard Orca announce selected cells in any of the Open Office or Libreoffice Calc programs. I agree, this is an important item. On 8/9/11, hackingKK wrote: > Hello all, > I am using orca 3.1.4 xdesktop and libre office. > I found that when I try to select cells using shift right arrow for > setting a range for merging, orca does not announce the selected cells. > > I use libre office 3.3 > So could some one tell me if this is a known bug or is there a work > around or a patch? > I am pretty well used to using calc, but if i were to teach this to an > average blind person or let's say make tutorials, this is not a good thing. > > Happy hacking. > Krishnakant. > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > From hackingkk@gmail.com Tue Aug 9 18:57:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Delivered-To: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5497075009F for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 18:57:33 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zLMFCIFoyCON for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 18:57:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A8E075007E for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 18:57:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxl31 with SMTP id 31so325486yxl.27 for ; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 11:57:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=dBSkw2xgvxnLM3T3PnwLU5hLv+dpDUhXODUJg1GpcPQ=; b=Q1dqGIu5Bjs2ZsHu8GwPW6wYlR8Y//jxZJ0Xs2bXjqq0d6bcpGkemGuD8TVoNSOaYX V6DBzPVF+dEEVMa4xv4QF7KwFv881qy74+gZ+w0lQezH37cLs2wAasnMVPW3PNdrt786 fnRu7V0oJ4q3xTXQr/Utjwk1FTLvV9I/vMsw8= Received: by 10.143.13.10 with SMTP id q10mr7133399wfi.64.1312916240863; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 11:57:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (triband-mum-59.183.46.85.mtnl.net.in [59.183.46.85]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f8sm175324pbk.86.2011.08.09.11.57.17 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 09 Aug 2011 11:57:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E418306.1010402@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 00:27:10 +0530 From: hackingKK User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110424 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Holmes References: <4E40EDFE.7000401@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] orca does not announce selected cells in calc X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 18:57:33 -0000 Well, I see these days more than 80% of discussion and hacking happening around firefox, thunderbird or any thing to do with media, core desktop or web. I feel this is very good and its rather critical too, but if some attention goes to things like calc, it will result in better experience and this is critical too. It might lead to a lot of jobs and contracts such as data entry becoming available to blind people in countries like India. This is just my 2 sents. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 09/08/11 23:52, Steve Holmes wrote: > This is an old bug and I haven't ever heard Orca announce selected > cells in any of the Open Office or Libreoffice Calc programs. I > agree, this is an important item. > > On 8/9/11, hackingKK wrote: >> Hello all, >> I am using orca 3.1.4 xdesktop and libre office. >> I found that when I try to select cells using shift right arrow for >> setting a range for merging, orca does not announce the selected cells. >> >> I use libre office 3.3 >> So could some one tell me if this is a known bug or is there a work >> around or a patch? >> I am pretty well used to using calc, but if i were to teach this to an >> average blind person or let's say make tutorials, this is not a good thing. >> >> Happy hacking. >> Krishnakant. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at >> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Netiquette Guidelines are at >> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >> > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > From kd7cyu@yahoo.com Tue Aug 9 20:02:34 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F18D975017D for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 20:02:33 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.642 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.642 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD=1.63, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P9Gwd2xmlTVx for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 20:02:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sh77.surpasshosting.com (sh77.surpasshosting.com [72.29.75.145]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1850475009F for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 20:02:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 67-132-104-130.dia.static.qwest.net ([67.132.104.130]:2607 helo=ats131.apptechsys.com) by sh77.surpasshosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QqsVJ-0007II-FK for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 16:02:21 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 13:02:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Masterson X-X-Sender: tom@tom-Linux-E6320 To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sh77.surpasshosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - yahoo.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: [orca-list] Another odity X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 20:02:34 -0000 I am seeing an odity under buntu 11.04 using Gnome Classic and a new installation. It does not trap the orca key be it capslock or insert (in fact I think this is true on my upgraded version as well). In fact if I have assigned something like previous notification message to orca+n (which it shows on my laptop as orca+capslock+n) and I then press capslock+n it just types the N or n depending on current state of caps. This is with the version of orca that comes with Ubuntu 11.04. Any idea why this is happening? Tom From chaltain@gmail.com Tue Aug 9 20:49:54 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40EE375007E for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 20:49:54 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 48ScDMzx3y-b for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 20:49:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B22D750079 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 20:49:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyd10 with SMTP id 10so418209gyd.27 for ; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 13:49:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=esFlKvFDNGXimxgp6XCBaMTSeP7b362PIpy7lVaaLiU=; b=wNW+O7kUEQfvLX5Y3cJ/v3Ui7aYVHFf6RgPUvwQ5RAKfljoVxzuGKua1o8Pbeb9ac3 MytGZ3qN4ZGaeHpLE/bV2NIknu5zQ83Gbu5AoglOcHSpxp2PMA7nO2CU0WTagp04WnN8 3EGQLDdY4ow9tNbRQq6M7LxJ5tKOq4C5EiEQY= Received: by 10.101.148.13 with SMTP id a13mr6308428ano.36.1312922981354; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 13:49:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.113] (cpe-173-174-56-115.austin.res.rr.com [173.174.56.115]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o11sm237865anh.23.2011.08.09.13.49.40 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 09 Aug 2011 13:49:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E419D64.3030206@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 15:49:40 -0500 From: Christopher Chaltain User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110516 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Another odity X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 20:49:54 -0000 Are you setting this up in the keybindings page of Orca's preferences? Is the Orca modifier set to caps+lock? Are you checking the modifier tick box in the far right hand column of the key bindings table? If you're doing this then you should see Orca+caps-lock+n in the key bindings table when you press Orca+n in the key bindings column. Note that somewhere along the way, the caps-lock key is captured by Orca as well as being passed through to the application. therefore, Orca+n may read your previous message, but it'll also toggle caps-lock. On 09/08/11 15:02, Tom Masterson wrote: > I am seeing an odity under buntu 11.04 using Gnome Classic and a new > installation. It does not trap the orca key be it capslock or insert > (in fact I think this is true on my upgraded version as well). In > fact if I have assigned something like previous notification message > to orca+n (which it shows on my laptop as orca+capslock+n) and I then > press capslock+n it just types the N or n depending on current state > of caps. This is with the version of orca that comes with Ubuntu 11.04. > > Any idea why this is happening? > > Tom > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain@gmail.com From kd7cyu@yahoo.com Tue Aug 9 20:58:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4709D75008E for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 20:58:06 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Spam-Score: 2.561 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=2.561 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD=1.63, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FREEMAIL_REPLY=1.929, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D68qbiojjKWj for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 20:58:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sh77.surpasshosting.com (sh77.surpasshosting.com [72.29.75.145]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F83B750079 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 20:57:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 67-132-104-130.dia.static.qwest.net ([67.132.104.130]:1261 helo=ats131.apptechsys.com) by sh77.surpasshosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QqtMy-00018p-ND; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 16:57:49 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 13:57:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Masterson X-X-Sender: tom@tom-Linux-E6320 To: Christopher Chaltain In-Reply-To: <4E419D64.3030206@gmail.com> Message-ID: References: <4E419D64.3030206@gmail.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sh77.surpasshosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - yahoo.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Another odity X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 20:58:06 -0000 Yes it is being set up correctly in the key bindings table and is even preserved there as changed the next time I look (including after a reboot) so it is recognized by orca as set but it is not working correctly (and yes it is being passed through to Gnome which is also true of the insert key). Tom On Tue, 9 Aug 2011, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > Are you setting this up in the keybindings page of Orca's preferences? > Is the Orca modifier set to caps+lock? Are you checking the modifier > tick box in the far right hand column of the key bindings table? If > you're doing this then you should see Orca+caps-lock+n in the key > bindings table when you press Orca+n in the key bindings column. > > Note that somewhere along the way, the caps-lock key is captured by Orca > as well as being passed through to the application. therefore, Orca+n > may read your previous message, but it'll also toggle caps-lock. > > On 09/08/11 15:02, Tom Masterson wrote: >> I am seeing an odity under buntu 11.04 using Gnome Classic and a new >> installation. It does not trap the orca key be it capslock or insert >> (in fact I think this is true on my upgraded version as well). In >> fact if I have assigned something like previous notification message >> to orca+n (which it shows on my laptop as orca+capslock+n) and I then >> press capslock+n it just types the N or n depending on current state >> of caps. This is with the version of orca that comes with Ubuntu 11.04. >> >> Any idea why this is happening? >> >> Tom >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at >> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Netiquette Guidelines are at >> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > > -- > Christopher (CJ) > chaltain@gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > From chaltain@gmail.com Tue Aug 9 21:56:24 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4648475007E for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 21:56:24 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g4PD-IU2hnWI for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 21:56:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84CFC750079 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 21:56:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyd10 with SMTP id 10so468662gyd.27 for ; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 14:56:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=jYa7nDu9GURzyOIdOTVZC/hE8uPxdgXo7HlUnA9m54k=; b=wx1yJ4ey+8V1YUsE4TdzWJfy+NB6BvgBKGU3tHSNOLWZpNUvhECr1jdNDHAf3SNQNw 309kOoVD/J9sbCiliqlH7DH+/IsIHxGoIYRKUz1wGQoydKIM6O0DNP6FowJeTwKMkLlw zkwWbNKMG9QtqF3BrN/r7YE1UWj6FgT/mliHE= Received: by 10.101.42.13 with SMTP id u13mr3784760anj.114.1312926971298; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 14:56:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.113] (cpe-173-174-56-115.austin.res.rr.com [173.174.56.115]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j3sm282069anm.21.2011.08.09.14.56.10 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 09 Aug 2011 14:56:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E41ACF9.9010200@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 16:56:09 -0500 From: Christopher Chaltain User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110516 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4E419D64.3030206@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Another odity X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 21:56:24 -0000 What are you seeing in the key bindings table. I did this recently because I had to map the function move to next word in flat review to Orca+l in the laptop keyboard layout. Here's what I did: First, I switched to laptop keyboard layout and saved my Orca settings. Next I went back into Orca preferences and went over to the key bindings page. On this page, the Orca modifier now said caps-lock. I then found the function move to next word in flat review in the key bindings table. I arrowed over to the right hand column and made sure the modifier tick box was ticked. I then arrowed back to the key binding column and pressed enter. I hit the key Orca+l and pressed enter again to save it. It now said Orca+caps-lock+l in the key bindings column. I save everything, and it worked. Ah, knowing that the insert key also gets passed through makes some sense. I was trying the desktop keyboard layout, and I was getting some strange results when using the pass through function. I now see that that strange behavior could have been explained by the insert key being passed through to the application. It also makes sense that the same reason Orca can't keep the caps-lock key from being passed through to the application would also apply to the insert key. On 09/08/11 15:57, Tom Masterson wrote:Yes it is being set up correctly in the key bindings table and is even preserved there as changed the next time I look (including after a reboot) so it is recognized by orca as set but it is not working correctly (and yes it is being passed through to Gnome which is also true of the insert key). > > Tom > > On Tue, 9 Aug 2011, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > >> Are you setting this up in the keybindings page of Orca's preferences? >> Is the Orca modifier set to caps+lock? Are you checking the modifier >> tick box in the far right hand column of the key bindings table? If >> you're doing this then you should see Orca+caps-lock+n in the key >> bindings table when you press Orca+n in the key bindings column. >> >> Note that somewhere along the way, the caps-lock key is captured by Orca >> as well as being passed through to the application. therefore, Orca+n >> may read your previous message, but it'll also toggle caps-lock. >> >> On 09/08/11 15:02, Tom Masterson wrote: >>> I am seeing an odity under buntu 11.04 using Gnome Classic and a new >>> installation. It does not trap the orca key be it capslock or insert >>> (in fact I think this is true on my upgraded version as well). In >>> fact if I have assigned something like previous notification message >>> to orca+n (which it shows on my laptop as orca+capslock+n) and I then >>> press capslock+n it just types the N or n depending on current state >>> of caps. This is with the version of orca that comes with Ubuntu 11.04. >>> >>> Any idea why this is happening? >>> >>> Tom >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>> The manual is at >>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>> Netiquette Guidelines are at >>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>> >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >> >> >> -- >> Christopher (CJ) >> chaltain@gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at >> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Netiquette Guidelines are at >> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >> -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain@gmail.com From themuso@ubuntu.com Wed Aug 10 01:41:12 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCD237500AF for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 01:41:12 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8aDQazN3EAvN for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 01:41:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nskntqsrv02p.mx.bigpond.com (nskntqsrv02p.mx.bigpond.com [61.9.168.234]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3FB275008E for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 01:41:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com ([58.160.38.86]) by nskntmtas03p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20110809224204.SJWW2063.nskntmtas03p.mx.bigpond.com@nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com> for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 22:42:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([58.160.38.86]) by nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20110809224203.MVSA23205.nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@localhost> for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2011 22:42:03 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 08:42:03 +1000 From: Luke Yelavich To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110809224203.GA4629@strigy.yelavich.home> References: <20110808231521.GA3685@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E40EAC5.8020101@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4E40EAC5.8020101@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-SIH-MSG-ID: qho3GMT+XAr2x24vj2/sYg0llgbtpWEu6YETXdN6qhIGREDT3YSLU7vmJLNRyJ7k1jRINBCFOnEiY63lZw== Subject: Re: [orca-list] Connecting to a wireless network X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 01:41:12 -0000 On Tue, Aug 09, 2011 at 06:07:33PM EST, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > Where do I have to be for Windows+m to take me to this messaging menu? > When I press Windows+m at the desktop, I just hear "text m". I'm running > vinux 3.2.1 (Ubuntu 11.04) with the Gnome Classic desktop, which is what > I think the original poster is running. > > Is this Windows+m a Unity key stroke by any chance? No its not a unity keystroke. The reason why it doesn't work for you is because Vinux doesn't use the indicators on the panel. You need to add the indicator applets to your panel for this keystroke to work. Luke From chaltain@gmail.com Wed Aug 10 04:01:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30B6675009F for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 04:01:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ac-2uH+pHWmt for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 04:01:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4962B75008E for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 04:01:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyd10 with SMTP id 10so644491gyd.27 for ; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 21:01:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=rPSbW0thn9YroxO70/jW/Pracb60daZDR4MWfNF5h64=; b=dfFlKfdIsIA0XEkBabz54KEEmN6YNdeDwXUaLwhxHxO3yrYJm/8LW2NRJB/pypQNgc CuttNA7kKhp/jgDCQmrQmLJ/P4nWvgFTKYf/Re/bUD11UAk7PwrSgca4bH0kVJDYI3HE yjAmlSU5NxgZxyoncN1CWJokRzOdKrI0ZFEZ4= Received: by 10.101.84.12 with SMTP id m12mr5417645anl.62.1312948871529; Tue, 09 Aug 2011 21:01:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.113] (cpe-173-174-56-115.austin.res.rr.com [173.174.56.115]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l2sm502230anm.24.2011.08.09.21.01.10 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 09 Aug 2011 21:01:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E420285.8080305@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 23:01:09 -0500 From: Christopher Chaltain User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110516 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org, vinux-support@googlegroups.com References: <20110808231521.GA3685@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E40EAC5.8020101@gmail.com> <20110809224203.GA4629@strigy.yelavich.home> In-Reply-To: <20110809224203.GA4629@strigy.yelavich.home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Connecting to a wireless network X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 04:01:16 -0000 On 09/08/11 17:42, Luke Yelavich wrote: > On Tue, Aug 09, 2011 at 06:07:33PM EST, Christopher Chaltain wrote: >> Where do I have to be for Windows+m to take me to this messaging menu? >> When I press Windows+m at the desktop, I just hear "text m". I'm running >> vinux 3.2.1 (Ubuntu 11.04) with the Gnome Classic desktop, which is what >> I think the original poster is running. >> >> Is this Windows+m a Unity key stroke by any chance? > > No its not a unity keystroke. The reason why it doesn't work for you is because Vinux doesn't use the indicators on the panel. You need to add the indicator applets to your panel for this keystroke to work. > > Luke Ah, thanks Luke! I found https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ApplicationIndicators which gives a good description of these indicators. I also saw several pages with links to useful indicators. Do I just need to install the indicator for the application I'm interested in (Tomboy, Ubuntu One, Glipper, ...) and they'll show up and I'll be able to access them with Windows+s and/or Windows+m? Any idea why Vinux doesn't include any of these? I'll also send this message over to the Vinux support list. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain@gmail.com From themuso@ubuntu.com Wed Aug 10 04:33:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DB507500BF for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 04:33:23 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RSTIuT9Hao6a for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 04:33:20 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 21065 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at menubar.gnome.org; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 04:33:19 UTC Received: from nskntmtas06p.mx.bigpond.com (nskntmtas06p.mx.bigpond.com [61.9.168.152]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EE527500AF for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 04:33:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nskntotgx04p.mx.bigpond.com ([58.160.38.86]) by nskntmtas06p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20110810043307.LQXQ28461.nskntmtas06p.mx.bigpond.com@nskntotgx04p.mx.bigpond.com> for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 04:33:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([58.160.38.86]) by nskntotgx04p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20110810043307.JGZT1840.nskntotgx04p.mx.bigpond.com@localhost> for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 04:33:07 +0000 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 14:33:06 +1000 From: Luke Yelavich To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110810043306.GA29827@strigy.yelavich.home> References: <20110808231521.GA3685@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E40EAC5.8020101@gmail.com> <20110809224203.GA4629@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E420285.8080305@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4E420285.8080305@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-SIH-MSG-ID: ohs3GdH4TAD0zmZ50TCxOw4nyF2wq3gv8ZoaRdJiqQQbRFjLv9G5Fp6zAuYW0Y/mxD5IPBmGNGEnc67kXI7r Subject: Re: [orca-list] Connecting to a wireless network X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 04:33:23 -0000 On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 02:01:09PM EST, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > Ah, thanks Luke! I found > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ApplicationIndicators > which gives a good description of these indicators. I also saw several > pages with links to useful indicators. Do I just need to install the > indicator for the application I'm interested in (Tomboy, Ubuntu One, > Glipper, ...) and they'll show up and I'll be able to access them with > Windows+s and/or Windows+m? Any idea why Vinux doesn't include any of > these? I'll also send this message over to the Vinux support list. I'd need to check to be sure, but I think Vinux does come with indicators for network, sound, tomboy etc, but since the panel layout has been changed, you do not have the applets that host the indicators on your panel anywhere. You need to go to the panel, and add "Indicator Applet", and "Indicator Applet Session" to your panel as new applets. The names I gave for them may not be exactly correct, but if you search for indicator applet in the add panel window, they should come up in the resluts, and you need only press enter to add them to your panel. hth Luke From rkcole72984@gmail.com Mon Aug 8 19:02:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C55FC75022D for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 19:02:00 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.589 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.589 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Dm92rCQO1ntT for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 19:01:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62C54750201 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2011 19:01:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxl31 with SMTP id 31so4375902yxl.27 for ; Mon, 08 Aug 2011 12:01:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type; bh=lqmHWU2Ta8OiShkoP8sucIVZkdyWaGbQYMVdnUSnjes=; b=dw5OSVvVc3KS00ISBH9bKJScRZm/h+4b29WyLRTXkhwv2lYib3NyhDYaNlxu0E9lDK +FDrWVqmG7kgvwc0rb2k2Z82355aTXelU6VipAF8zAOM+gEt6AGD5DltOJd5n5VnTq8Q 1u9MFDdXD5CT9v22ROGT1g6Ej2Z0sqETPBC/Q= Received: by 10.42.177.6 with SMTP id bg6mr6076557icb.471.1312830104430; Mon, 08 Aug 2011 12:01:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.142] (c-76-20-104-251.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [76.20.104.251]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g21sm1333030ibl.58.2011.08.08.12.01.42 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 08 Aug 2011 12:01:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E403295.1080400@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 12:01:41 -0700 From: Robert Cole User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110617 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4E3E95FC.80804@gmail.com> <4E3E99A0.2000701@deep.cz> <1312732185.2268.8.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> <1312744735.2601.0.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> <4E3EEBA6.8090707@gmail.com> <4E3EEC0F.8040305@gmail.com> <4E3F0CBD.9000602@gmail.com> <1312759979.3844.38.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> <4E3F4B6E.5060909@gmail.com> <1312823052.2286.68.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> In-Reply-To: <1312823052.2286.68.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080508040004020905000909" X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 16:31:36 +0000 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Audiobooks X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 19:02:01 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080508040004020905000909 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please let me know how it all turns out for you. I have been looking for employment for years, but many employers do not like the fact that I am blind. So I try to spend my time helping people with different issues related to computers and operating systems. Pelase let me know if VLC helps you. The audio playback speed si a great feature, and it works for videos, too. On 08/08/2011 10:04 AM, Tami Kinney wrote: > Yes, that does help! Thank you. I managed to spend my Sunday free time > playing with Audacity and trying out different audio extractors that I > got one disc of the book onto my driver where I wanted it and then didnt > have time to listen to the book./lol/ But I'm taking notes o I can > start contributing ways and means when others ask. VLC does look very > interesting, so I will try out your suggestions when I have the time to > play again./smile/ I do have future work-related reasons for learning > more about working with audio files, so it's all good. > > Tami > > didn't Sun, 2011-08-07 at 19:35 -0700, Robert Cole wrote: >> > Hello again, Tami. >> > >> > I did a small bit more testing with VLC. Orca will not read the menus >> > for me in VLC, but if I open a file using CTRL+O, the Open File window >> > will appear; Orca does read the contents of this window for me. >> > >> > There are hotkeys which have been preset for speeding up and slowing >> > down playback speed. >> > >> > Please note that when I say "standard keyboard" in the following >> > statements, I mean a standard U.S. English QWERTY keyboard layout. I am >> > not at all familiar with other keyboard styles, so I apologize for that; >> > if you live in the United States, you very likely have a standard QWERTY >> > keyboard. >> > >> > 1. To speed up the playback of a file, just press the closing bracket >> > key ("]"), which is the second key to the right of the "P" key on a >> > standard keyboard. >> > >> > 2. To slow down playback of a file, just press the opening bracket key >> > ("["), which is the first key to the right of the "P" key on a standard >> > keyboard. >> > >> > 3. To return to the normal playback rate (the original playback rate) of >> > a file, just press the equal-sign key ("="), which is the second key to >> > the right of the "0" key at the top (the "number row") of a standard >> > keyboard. >> > >> > I hope that this helps, and that you can get to enjoy listening to your >> > audiobooks soon! >> > >> > If I can be of any further help, please let me know. >> > >> > Take care. >> > >> > On 08/07/2011 04:32 PM, Tami Kinney wrote: >>> > > Good information. I'll keep VLC around in case I want to use when/if the >>> > > accessibility gap is fixed or I decide it's worth having my sighted >>> > > roommates help me set up hot keys and memorize them. >>> > > >>> > > Tami >>> > > >>> > > On Sun, 2011-08-07 at 15:07 -0700, Robert Cole wrote: >>>> > >> I am sorry. I forgot to add that the option with which to increase the >>>> > >> playback speed of a file in VLC is found under Playback, Faster (fine). >>>> > >> You can actually create shortcut keys to speed up and slow down playback >>>> > >> if you go to the Tools menu, open the Preferences window, and then you >>>> > >> will find a button to the left labeled "Hotkeys". Through this page you >>>> > >> can set shortcut keys for many different things. >>>> > >> >>>> > >> Although this can be quite customizable and efficient, it does not at >>>> > >> all negate the fact that the menus were not read out loud. This could be >>>> > >> different for other users, though. I am using Orca in Linux Mint 11. >>>> > >> >>>> > >> Nevertheless, it seems that VLC would be a very viable option for the >>>> > >> task at hand. >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> On 08/07/2011 12:48 PM, Alex H. wrote: >>>>> > >>> Is VLC accessible to Orca? That has functions to speed/slow audio. >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> alex >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> On 8/7/2011 3:46 PM, Robert Cole wrote: >>>>>> > >>>> If I remember correctly, I believe that there is a plugin for >>>>>> > >>>> Audacious (a lightweight audio player) which allows for speeding up >>>>>> > >>>> of an audio file. When I get some time, I'll have to check it out a >>>>>> > >>>> little more in-depth and let you know. >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> On 08/07/2011 12:18 PM, Tami Kinney wrote: >>>>>>> > >>>>> Thanks! I'd seen Audacity but wasn't sure... Now I've got it and have an >>>>>>> > >>>>> exciting new toy to play with.//smile// >>>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>>> > >>>>> On Sun, 2011-08-07 at 13:20 -0400, Thomas Ward wrote: >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hi Tami, >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Well, I don't know about a media player per say, but you can certainly >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> open the mp3, ogg, or whatever format you are using in Audacity and >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> then go to the effects menu and change the speed or use the speech >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> compressor option, and resave the book at your favorite speed. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> To install Audacity, if you haven't already done so, is do >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> "sudo apt-get install audacity" >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> from the terminal and apt-get will fetch Audacity and install it. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Also you might want to install lame as well if you are working with >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> mp3s. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> HTH >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 8/7/11, Tami Kinney wrote: >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Hi, all, >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > I'm an Orca newbie running Ubuntu 11.04. My prior Unix/Linux experience >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > is so long ago, I might as well be a Linux newbie, but I'm having fun >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > getting back into it and discovering all the cool new stuff while I"m >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > getting up to speed with Orca. I'm spending a lot of time learning how >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > to problem-solve myself while reading about what the rest of you are >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > doing. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Meanwhile, I want to take time out to read my audiobooks, but I like to >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > listen to them at a higher speed... I'm using Banshee for playing music >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > files, but I haven't found a plug in to allow me to increase play speed. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > There seem to be a couple of programs for Linux to do that, but I can't >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > tell yet which ones would work with Orca. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Is anyone else using a media player that will enable them to increase >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > the playback speed for audiobooks with Orca? Any information will be >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > appreciated. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Tami >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > orca-list mailing list >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > orca-list@gnome.org >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > The manual is at >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Netiquette Guidelines are at >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Netiquette Guidelines are athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >>>>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> > >>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>>>> > >>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>>>> > >>>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>>>> > >>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>>>>>> > >>>>> The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>>>>>> > >>>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>>>>>> > >>>>> Netiquette Guidelines are athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>>>>>> > >>>>> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>>>>> > >>>>> Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >>>>>> > >>>> >>>>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> > >>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>>> > >>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>>> > >>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>>> > >>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>>>>> > >>>> The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>>>>> > >>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>>>>> > >>>> Netiquette Guidelines are athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>>>>> > >>>> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>>>> > >>>> Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> -- >>>>> > >>> Sent via Thunderbird. >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> >>>>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> > >>> orca-list mailing list >>>>> > >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>> > >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>> > >>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>>>> > >>> The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>>>> > >>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>>>> > >>> Netiquette Guidelines are athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>>>> > >>> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>>> > >>> Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >>>> > >> _______________________________________________ >>>> > >> orca-list mailing list >>>> > >> orca-list@gnome.org >>>> > >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> > >> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>>> > >> The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>>> > >> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>>> > >> Netiquette Guidelines are athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>>> > >> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>> > >> Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > orca-list mailing list >>> > > orca-list@gnome.org >>> > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> > > Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>> > > The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>> > > The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>> > > Netiquette Guidelines are athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>> > > Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org >>> > > Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > orca-list mailing list >> > orca-list@gnome.org >> > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> > Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> > The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> > The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> > Netiquette Guidelines are athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> > Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org >> > Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp --------------080508040004020905000909 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please let me know how it all turns out for you. I have been looking for employment for years, but many employers do not like the fact that I am blind. So I try to spend my time helping people with different issues related to computers and operating systems.

Pelase let me know if VLC helps you. The audio playback speed si a great feature, and it works for videos, too.

On 08/08/2011 10:04 AM, Tami Kinney wrote: 
Yes, that does help! Thank you. I managed to spend my Sunday free time
playing with Audacity and trying out different audio extractors that I
got one disc of the book onto my driver where I wanted it and then didnt
have time to listen to the book. /lol/ But I'm taking notes o I can
start contributing ways and means when others ask. VLC does look very
interesting, so I will try out your suggestions when I have the time to
play again. /smile/ I do have future work-related reasons for learning
more about working with audio files, so it's all good.

Tami

didn't Sun, 2011-08-07 at 19:35 -0700, Robert Cole wrote: 

> Hello again, Tami.
> 
> I did a small bit more testing with VLC. Orca will not read the menus 
> for me in VLC, but if I open a file using CTRL+O, the Open File window 
> will appear; Orca does read the contents of this window for me.
> 
> There are hotkeys which have been preset for speeding up and slowing 
> down playback speed.
> 
> Please note that when I say "standard keyboard" in the following 
> statements, I mean a standard U.S. English QWERTY keyboard layout. I am 
> not at all familiar with other keyboard styles, so I apologize for that; 
> if you live in the United States, you very likely have a standard QWERTY 
> keyboard.
> 
> 1. To speed up the playback of a file, just press the closing bracket 
> key ("]"), which is the second key to the right of the "P" key on a 
> standard keyboard.
> 
> 2. To slow down playback of a file, just press the opening bracket key 
> ("["), which is the first key to the right of the "P" key on a standard 
> keyboard.
> 
> 3. To return to the normal playback rate (the original playback rate) of 
> a file, just press the equal-sign key ("="), which is the second key to 
> the right of the "0" key at the top (the "number row") of a standard 
> keyboard.
> 
> I hope that this helps, and that you can get to enjoy listening to your 
> audiobooks soon!
> 
> If I can be of any further help, please let me know.
> 
> Take care.
> 
> On 08/07/2011 04:32 PM, Tami Kinney wrote:

> > Good information. I'll keep VLC around in case I want to use when/if the
> > accessibility gap is fixed or I decide it's worth having my sighted
> > roommates help me set up hot keys and memorize them.
> >
> > Tami
> >
> > On Sun, 2011-08-07 at 15:07 -0700, Robert Cole wrote:

> >> I am sorry. I forgot to add that the option with which to increase the
> >> playback speed of a file in VLC is found under Playback, Faster (fine).
> >> You can actually create shortcut keys to speed up and slow down playback
> >> if you go to the Tools menu, open the Preferences window, and then you
> >> will find a button to the left labeled "Hotkeys". Through this page you
> >> can set shortcut keys for many different things.
> >>
> >> Although this can be quite customizable and efficient, it does not at
> >> all negate the fact that the menus were not read out loud. This could be
> >> different for other users, though. I am using Orca in Linux Mint 11.
> >>
> >> Nevertheless, it seems that VLC would be a very viable option for the
> >> task at hand.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 08/07/2011 12:48 PM, Alex H. wrote:

> >>> Is VLC accessible to Orca? That has functions to speed/slow audio.
> >>>
> >>> alex
> >>>
> >>> On 8/7/2011 3:46 PM, Robert Cole wrote:

> >>>> If I remember correctly, I believe that there is a plugin for
> >>>> Audacious (a lightweight audio player) which allows for speeding up
> >>>> of an audio file. When I get some time, I'll have to check it out a
> >>>> little more in-depth and let you know.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 08/07/2011 12:18 PM, Tami Kinney wrote:

> >>>>> Thanks! I'd seen Audacity but wasn't sure... Now I've got it and have an
> >>>>> exciting new toy to play with.//smile//
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sun, 2011-08-07 at 13:20 -0400, Thomas Ward wrote:

> >>>>>>>   Hi Tami,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>   Well, I don't know about a media player per say, but you can certainly
> >>>>>>>   open the mp3, ogg, or whatever format you are using in Audacity and
> >>>>>>>   then go to the effects menu and change the speed or use the speech
> >>>>>>>   compressor option, and resave the book at your favorite speed.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>   To install Audacity, if you haven't already done so, is do
> >>>>>>>   "sudo apt-get install audacity"
> >>>>>>>     from the terminal and apt-get will fetch Audacity and install it.
> >>>>>>>   Also you might want to install lame as well if you are working with
> >>>>>>>   mp3s.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>   HTH
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>   On 8/7/11, Tami Kinney<tamara.8024@comcast.net>   <mailto:tamara.8024@comcast.net>   wrote:

> >>>>>>>>   >   Hi, all,
> >>>>>>>>   >
> >>>>>>>>   >   I'm an Orca newbie running Ubuntu 11.04. My prior Unix/Linux experience
> >>>>>>>>   >   is so long ago, I might as well be a Linux newbie, but I'm having fun
> >>>>>>>>   >   getting back into it and discovering all the cool new stuff while I"m
> >>>>>>>>   >   getting up to speed with Orca. I'm spending a lot of time learning how
> >>>>>>>>   >   to problem-solve myself while reading about what the rest of you are
> >>>>>>>>   >   doing.
> >>>>>>>>   >
> >>>>>>>>   >   Meanwhile, I want to take time out to read my audiobooks, but I like to
> >>>>>>>>   >   listen to them at a higher speed... I'm using Banshee for playing music
> >>>>>>>>   >   files, but I haven't found a plug in to allow me to increase play speed.
> >>>>>>>>   >   There seem to be a couple of programs for Linux to do that, but I can't
> >>>>>>>>   >   tell yet which ones would work with Orca.
> >>>>>>>>   >
> >>>>>>>>   >   Is anyone else using a media player that will enable them to increase
> >>>>>>>>   >   the playback speed for audiobooks with Orca? Any information will be
> >>>>>>>>   >   appreciated.
> >>>>>>>>   >
> >>>>>>>>   >   Tami
> >>>>>>>>   >
> >>>>>>>>   >
> >>>>>>>>   >   _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>>>   >   orca-list mailing list
> >>>>>>>>   >   orca-list@gnome.org<mailto:orca-list@gnome.org>
> >>>>>>>>   >   http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> >>>>>>>>   >   Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information on Orca.
> >>>>>>>>   >   The manual is at
> >>>>>>>>   >   http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> >>>>>>>>   >   The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> >>>>>>>>   >   Netiquette Guidelines are at
> >>>>>>>>   >   http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines
> >>>>>>>>   >   Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org
> >>>>>>>>   >   Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
> >>>>>>>>   >

> >>>>>>>   _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>>   orca-list mailing list
> >>>>>>>   orca-list@gnome.org<mailto:orca-list@gnome.org>
> >>>>>>>   http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> >>>>>>>   Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information on Orca.
> >>>>>>>   The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> >>>>>>>   The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> >>>>>>>   Netiquette Guidelines are athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines
> >>>>>>>   Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org
> >>>>>>>   Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> orca-list mailing list
> >>>>> orca-list@gnome.org<mailto:orca-list@gnome.org>
> >>>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> >>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information on Orca.
> >>>>> The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> >>>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> >>>>> Netiquette Guidelines are athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines
> >>>>> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org
> >>>>> Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> orca-list mailing list
> >>>> orca-list@gnome.org
> >>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> >>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information on Orca.
> >>>> The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> >>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> >>>> Netiquette Guidelines are athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines
> >>>> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org
> >>>> Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

> >>>
> >>> -- 
> >>> Sent via Thunderbird.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> orca-list mailing list
> >>> orca-list@gnome.org
> >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> >>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> >>> The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> >>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> >>> Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines
> >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> >>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

> >> _______________________________________________
> >> orca-list mailing list
> >> orca-list@gnome.org
> >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> >> The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> >> Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines
> >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

> > _______________________________________________
> > orca-list mailing list
> > orca-list@gnome.org
> > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines
> > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

> 
> _______________________________________________
> orca-list mailing list
> orca-list@gnome.org
> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines
> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list@gnome.org
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

--------------080508040004020905000909-- From chaltain@gmail.com Wed Aug 10 16:55:51 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 956AB750203 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 16:55:51 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fSPlTz1o8WOo for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 16:55:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gw0-f54.google.com (mail-gw0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26CE77500DE for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 16:55:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwb15 with SMTP id 15so1188039gwb.27 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 09:55:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=28BajIL6JCdXBJWMSW9sjri8eKlVJMZL9O4F02TCbP0=; b=lUY+olAblUR0OK4wFDEct+PFlfaRzcIFASYFI9rR2s+k2/LnQIKmnjI5ZDu8StbnIn vUpH1Prbm9SQejEV9akVLLmzrvgQiixefUjd/4vMB2at8r2mOqz6iqo4ga85/Stejo5N ZUauyacCe/fmmftTDbxmW3jxBj02gT1KmGf/M= Received: by 10.101.115.19 with SMTP id s19mr7350474anm.89.1312995338965; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 09:55:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.113] (cpe-173-174-56-115.austin.res.rr.com [173.174.56.115]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l2sm921161anm.50.2011.08.10.09.55.38 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 10 Aug 2011 09:55:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E42B809.8000400@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 11:55:37 -0500 From: Christopher Chaltain User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110516 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org, vinux-support@googlegroups.com References: <20110808231521.GA3685@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E40EAC5.8020101@gmail.com> <20110809224203.GA4629@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E420285.8080305@gmail.com> <20110810043306.GA29827@strigy.yelavich.home> In-Reply-To: <20110810043306.GA29827@strigy.yelavich.home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Indicators [was "Re: Connecting to a wireless network"] X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 16:55:51 -0000 On 09/08/11 23:33, Luke Yelavich wrote: > On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 02:01:09PM EST, Christopher Chaltain wrote: >> Ah, thanks Luke! I found >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopExperienceTeam/ApplicationIndicators >> which gives a good description of these indicators. I also saw several >> pages with links to useful indicators. Do I just need to install the >> indicator for the application I'm interested in (Tomboy, Ubuntu One, >> Glipper, ...) and they'll show up and I'll be able to access them with >> Windows+s and/or Windows+m? Any idea why Vinux doesn't include any of >> these? I'll also send this message over to the Vinux support list. > > I'd need to check to be sure, but I think Vinux does come with indicators for network, sound, tomboy etc, but since the panel layout has been changed, you do not have the applets that host the indicators on your panel anywhere. You need to go to the panel, and add "Indicator Applet", and "Indicator Applet Session" to your panel as new applets. The names I gave for them may not be exactly correct, but if you search for indicator applet in the add panel window, they should come up in the resluts, and you need only press enter to add them to your panel. > > hth > > Luke Again, thanks Luke! I added the indicator applet (note that I used control+F10 in the bottom edge panel to bring up the menu where I could add applets) and now I'm playing with the different indicators. BTW, sometimes I can't get out of the indicator applet and get back to my desktop. Is there a sure fire way to jump from the indicator applet to the desktop or somewhere else on the system? -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain@gmail.com From themuso@ubuntu.com Wed Aug 10 21:09:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE0677500C5 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 21:09:43 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 77zNyvjO-eYV for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 21:09:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 165249 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at menubar.gnome.org; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 21:09:41 UTC Received: from nschwmtas04p.mx.bigpond.com (nschwmtas04p.mx.bigpond.com [61.9.189.146]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55FE675002B for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 21:09:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com ([58.160.38.86]) by nschwmtas04p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20110810210930.PGEM14357.nschwmtas04p.mx.bigpond.com@nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com> for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 21:09:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([58.160.38.86]) by nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20110810210930.SKM8126.nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@localhost> for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 21:09:30 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 07:09:29 +1000 From: Luke Yelavich To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110810210929.GA3368@strigy.yelavich.home> References: <20110808231521.GA3685@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E40EAC5.8020101@gmail.com> <20110809224203.GA4629@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E420285.8080305@gmail.com> <20110810043306.GA29827@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E42B809.8000400@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4E42B809.8000400@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-SIH-MSG-ID: qBs3EtP7TAD0zmZ50TCxOw4nyF2wq3gv8ZoaRdJiqQQbRFjLv9G5Fp6zAuYW0Y/mxDxNPBqMNGIgc67kXI7r Subject: Re: [orca-list] Indicators [was "Re: Connecting to a wireless network"] X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 21:09:43 -0000 On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 02:55:37AM EST, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > Again, thanks Luke! I added the indicator applet (note that I used > control+F10 in the bottom edge panel to bring up the menu where I could > add applets) and now I'm playing with the different indicators. BTW, > sometimes I can't get out of the indicator applet and get back to my > desktop. Is there a sure fire way to jump from the indicator applet to > the desktop or somewhere else on the system? As long as you use Windows key M to jump to the applet, you should be able to escape out easily enough with the escape key. If you navigate to the indicator applet on the panel manually, there are focus issues when you try to move focus away from the indicator applet. Luke From kd7cyu@yahoo.com Wed Aug 10 21:40:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A96F7500C5 for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 21:40:14 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.632 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.632 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD=1.63, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lGDtM3eQsJtu for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 21:40:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sh77.surpasshosting.com (sh77.surpasshosting.com [72.29.75.145]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E5C775002B for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 21:40:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from 67-132-104-130.dia.static.qwest.net ([67.132.104.130]:2693 helo=ats131.apptechsys.com) by sh77.surpasshosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QrGVN-0004bo-7T; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 17:40:01 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 14:39:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Masterson X-X-Sender: tom@tom-Linux-E6320 To: Luke Yelavich In-Reply-To: <20110810210929.GA3368@strigy.yelavich.home> Message-ID: References: <20110808231521.GA3685@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E40EAC5.8020101@gmail.com> <20110809224203.GA4629@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E420285.8080305@gmail.com> <20110810043306.GA29827@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E42B809.8000400@gmail.com> <20110810210929.GA3368@strigy.yelavich.home> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sh77.surpasshosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - yahoo.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Indicators [was "Re: Connecting to a wireless network"] X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 21:40:14 -0000 Does anyone have any idea why on my computer with the new install of Ubuntu 11.04 windows-m does not work nor does using ctrl-alt-tab to switch panels. I am told that the other panels are there although I don't know how I can prove t. Is there a way to see if panels are there and indicators are on them? I know they are installed on the machine. I am using "classic GNOME". Tom On Thu, 11 Aug 2011, Luke Yelavich wrote: > On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 02:55:37AM EST, Christopher Chaltain wrote: >> Again, thanks Luke! I added the indicator applet (note that I used >> control+F10 in the bottom edge panel to bring up the menu where I could >> add applets) and now I'm playing with the different indicators. BTW, >> sometimes I can't get out of the indicator applet and get back to my >> desktop. Is there a sure fire way to jump from the indicator applet to >> the desktop or somewhere else on the system? > > As long as you use Windows key M to jump to the applet, you should be able to escape out easily enough with the escape key. If you navigate to the indicator applet on the panel manually, there are focus issues when you try to move focus away from the indicator applet. > > Luke > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > From luke.yelavich@canonical.com Thu Aug 11 02:03:30 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFBDB7500DB for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2011 02:03:30 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mptTQUqDCRkv for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2011 02:03:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nskntqsrv03p.mx.bigpond.com (nskntqsrv03p.mx.bigpond.com [61.9.168.237]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A8B475009E for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2011 02:03:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nskntotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com ([58.160.38.86]) by nskntmtas03p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20110810224821.VKBS2063.nskntmtas03p.mx.bigpond.com@nskntotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com> for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 22:48:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([58.160.38.86]) by nskntotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com with ESMTP id <20110810224821.OAAN17136.nskntotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@localhost> for ; Wed, 10 Aug 2011 22:48:21 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 08:48:21 +1000 From: Luke Yelavich To: Orca screen reader developers Message-ID: <20110810224821.GA29420@strigy.yelavich.home> References: <20110808231521.GA3685@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E40EAC5.8020101@gmail.com> <20110809224203.GA4629@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E420285.8080305@gmail.com> <20110810043306.GA29827@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E42B809.8000400@gmail.com> <20110810210929.GA3368@strigy.yelavich.home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-SIH-MSG-ID: oxwyEtD7TAD0zmZ50TCxOw4nyF2wq3gv8ZoaRdJiqQQbRFjLv9G5Fp6zAuYW0Y/mxDxOPB6NNGMhc67kXI7r Subject: Re: [orca-list] Indicators [was "Re: Connecting to a wireless network"] X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 02:03:31 -0000 On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 07:39:49AM EST, Tom Masterson wrote: > Does anyone have any idea why on my computer with the new install of > Ubuntu 11.04 windows-m does not work nor does using ctrl-alt-tab to > switch panels. I am told that the other panels are there although I > don't know how I can prove t. Is there a way to see if panels are > there and indicators are on them? I know they are installed on the > machine. I am using "classic GNOME". Are you running compiz by any chance? If so, there is a chance compiz may have stolen Windows M. Compiz is also not set up to allow you to switch between panels. The best solution is to run metacity, and the easiest way to change that is to change your login session to Ubuntu no effects at login time. As I said in an earlier mail, also make sure you have the indicator applets on your panel as well. Luke From hackingkk@gmail.com Thu Aug 11 09:12:45 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3625675002B for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2011 09:12:45 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nFKVVmSmpmpd for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2011 09:12:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yi0-f54.google.com (mail-yi0-f54.google.com [209.85.218.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 468AC75008C for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2011 09:12:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yib19 with SMTP id 19so1766209yib.27 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2011 02:12:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=NESSYhOtjGQPV4zv4yTgtpDj/EdUVMtG5oiaIahzwbY=; b=X1i5k/gznyZqLhlw4En23yKOsDLxeCMUg9qUQEqn62pRS1fRf0m4fFWGzZa/K9YGd5 3mY7tHRho4tDaBngGbdw/RJ9+z22NTLsbxGdsP2aWLxsXh7fTmyDYnOiHpZWVEDK5VX8 I5p6JPTuo8eOglMp7ZTucqQW93BC/RChLVOEw= Received: by 10.142.233.11 with SMTP id f11mr7326297wfh.123.1313053952149; Thu, 11 Aug 2011 02:12:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [1.39.27.217] ([1.39.27.217]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s9sm1574720pbk.82.2011.08.11.02.12.28 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 11 Aug 2011 02:12:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E439CF4.4020000@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 14:42:20 +0530 From: hackingKK User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110424 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Luke Yelavich References: <20110808231521.GA3685@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E40EAC5.8020101@gmail.com> <20110809224203.GA4629@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E420285.8080305@gmail.com> <20110810043306.GA29827@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E42B809.8000400@gmail.com> <20110810210929.GA3368@strigy.yelavich.home> <20110810224821.GA29420@strigy.yelavich.home> In-Reply-To: <20110810224821.GA29420@strigy.yelavich.home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Orca screen reader developers Subject: Re: [orca-list] Indicators [was "Re: Connecting to a wireless network"] X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 09:12:45 -0000 Also see to it that in appearence under preferences, The visual effects are set to none. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 11/08/11 04:18, Luke Yelavich wrote: > On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 07:39:49AM EST, Tom Masterson wrote: >> Does anyone have any idea why on my computer with the new install of >> Ubuntu 11.04 windows-m does not work nor does using ctrl-alt-tab to >> switch panels. I am told that the other panels are there although I >> don't know how I can prove t. Is there a way to see if panels are >> there and indicators are on them? I know they are installed on the >> machine. I am using "classic GNOME". > Are you running compiz by any chance? If so, there is a chance compiz may have stolen Windows M. Compiz is also not set up to allow you to switch between panels. The best solution is to run metacity, and the easiest way to change that is to change your login session to Ubuntu no effects at login time. > > As I said in an earlier mail, also make sure you have the indicator applets on your panel as well. > > Luke > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > From kd7cyu@yahoo.com Fri Aug 12 02:23:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E01B075002F for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 02:23:40 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.632 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.632 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD=1.63, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rnqqXB6czJOW for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 02:23:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sh77.surpasshosting.com (sh77.surpasshosting.com [72.29.75.145]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D18075001A for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 02:23:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-76-121-69-115.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([76.121.69.115]:33332 helo=tom-laptop.local) by sh77.surpasshosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QrhPD-00032N-NH; Thu, 11 Aug 2011 22:23:27 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 19:23:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Masterson X-X-Sender: kd7cyu@tom-laptop To: Luke Yelavich In-Reply-To: <20110810224821.GA29420@strigy.yelavich.home> Message-ID: References: <20110808231521.GA3685@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E40EAC5.8020101@gmail.com> <20110809224203.GA4629@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E420285.8080305@gmail.com> <20110810043306.GA29827@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E42B809.8000400@gmail.com> <20110810210929.GA3368@strigy.yelavich.home> <20110810224821.GA29420@strigy.yelavich.home> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sh77.surpasshosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - yahoo.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: Orca screen reader developers Subject: Re: [orca-list] Indicators [was "Re: Connecting to a wireless network"] X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 02:23:41 -0000 Yes that computer is using or appears to be using compiz. Changing login to Ubuntu Classic (No effects) did not change it. If I try "metacity --replace" it appears to lock up Gnome. The only reason I have for thinking it is running compiz is that if I run gnome-wm to try to reset the default desktop manager I get a compiz error. So that leads to two questions: 1. How do I tell for sure which manager it is using? 2. How do I change manager if changing the login settings does not work? Tom On Thu, 11 Aug 2011, Luke Yelavich wrote: > On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 07:39:49AM EST, Tom Masterson wrote: >> Does anyone have any idea why on my computer with the new install of >> Ubuntu 11.04 windows-m does not work nor does using ctrl-alt-tab to >> switch panels. I am told that the other panels are there although I >> don't know how I can prove t. Is there a way to see if panels are >> there and indicators are on them? I know they are installed on the >> machine. I am using "classic GNOME". > > Are you running compiz by any chance? If so, there is a chance compiz may have stolen Windows M. Compiz is also not set up to allow you to switch between panels. The best solution is to run metacity, and the easiest way to change that is to change your login session to Ubuntu no effects at login time. > > As I said in an earlier mail, also make sure you have the indicator applets on your panel as well. > > Luke > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > From jason@jasonjgw.net Fri Aug 12 02:47:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B9127501DC for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 02:47:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.55 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, KHOP_DYNAMIC=0.001, RCVD_IN_BRBL_LASTEXT=1.449] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aCuGwiA8Iqiq for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 02:47:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from jdc.jasonjgw.net (ppp198-218.static.internode.on.net [59.167.198.218]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7ACF750279 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 02:47:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by jdc.jasonjgw.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9931B18105549; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 12:47:30 +1000 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=jasonjgw.net; s=mail; t=1313117250; bh=CdMvLxNkGxxxFCR7YnK/2oQDNIIMyNYJCUoskCj0ofA=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:In-Reply-To; b=fOQEgIATwnGa5YuafuS9N29ne6yK3nfqRY+F3ajP1uzTbHNnGbUyM+4NRXDSfKBEF 8c6+1AnQ+op2sRCxUNzXWDf4taXgnKe4vLzW5B3o4C7ULrf8K3OQHDuc53jVHJMynJ V9eQsdvanKqwMR+EeSWbxaQVe2pW7C6mnVDyDtOI= Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 12:47:30 +1000 From: Jason White To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110812024730.GA18116@jdc.jasonjgw.net> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20110808231521.GA3685@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E40EAC5.8020101@gmail.com> <20110809224203.GA4629@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E420285.8080305@gmail.com> <20110810043306.GA29827@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E42B809.8000400@gmail.com> <20110810210929.GA3368@strigy.yelavich.home> <20110810224821.GA29420@strigy.yelavich.home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Indicators [was "Re: Connecting to a wireless network"] X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 02:47:44 -0000 Tom Masterson wrote: > So that leads to two questions: > > 1. How do I tell for sure which manager it is using? Have you investigated this with the ps command? > > 2. How do I change manager if changing the login settings does not work? You could try removing the package, I suppose, but that might not lead to the desired result depending on how your distribution handles window managers and how the package dependencies are set up. You could also search the Web; there should be instructions for your distribution on how to change window managers. From steve.holmes88@gmail.com Fri Aug 12 05:14:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6388F750062 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 05:14:15 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IMeZQl7HgHto for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 05:14:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com (mail-iy0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17B4D750024 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 05:14:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iye7 with SMTP id 7so2501946iye.3 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2011 22:14:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:user-agent; bh=P9+HLxSllKFv2oONlHLLhXTzXpJURU+zDh9HIghYp3s=; b=g1CWYN96jun9RJA+4v9+QIXjuZzUQZcgrfLYHqBTpm+0rH/EVIWc92zOQB69Lqq4ZE 3Ds6w/P7pBl+B7bf9dx6ld8lRRJdAmlPMnPgwM0Gnxpjq2U9J+JWzGg0js/q6vXlJ7iz 9PXZrd4PAMR2QwQa8Ag0gUXO5+WOJOunifnpg= Received: by 10.42.151.133 with SMTP id e5mr525442icw.208.1313126042468; Thu, 11 Aug 2011 22:14:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from linlap.wavecable.com (76-14-154-236.rk.wavecable.com [76.14.154.236]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id eq6sm1772968ibb.12.2011.08.11.22.13.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 11 Aug 2011 22:14:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 22:13:38 -0700 From: Steve Holmes To: Orca E-mail List Message-ID: <20110812051338.GA9257@linlap.wavecable.com> Mail-Followup-To: Orca E-mail List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: [orca-list] Import Files in Calc X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 05:14:15 -0000 Quick question here; How do you import files into a Calc spreadsheet? I can't find any Import function any place. What I'm doing is trying to import a tab delimitted text file into a simple table. This is a pretty much no brainer with MS Excel and I thought OOo Calc or Libreoffice calc would have a similar capability but I don't see it. Any ideas? From chaltain@gmail.com Fri Aug 12 11:22:51 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07A7E750103 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 11:22:51 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sJ4CAivKCGdD for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 11:22:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19ED1750069 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 11:22:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyd10 with SMTP id 10so2771700gyd.27 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 04:22:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=8qmSVW8fyvl50kzTD/TAaAhkF4lCETrdZ7JCz0R0oCc=; b=GNuekJRDwaXbKg1IVAK2Lib6J5H6nrHHqHMDTl2b/hhwjJ7FgiEloTQwCmVfUmLf/e MnfDitdbR6q8Pmj9fUWMLhKoxsBexlkEAo1/9JXP/ZsmeEfbWtkU26KbC31PTR9QO4/N RuD0eAJHk1j4llwu0ffLHGWUb1aBr17u6WZbc= Received: by 10.91.51.8 with SMTP id d8mr810406agk.69.1313148157999; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 04:22:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.113] (cpe-173-174-56-115.austin.res.rr.com [173.174.56.115]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s15sm2366398ank.19.2011.08.12.04.22.36 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 12 Aug 2011 04:22:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E450CFC.5080704@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 06:22:36 -0500 From: Christopher Chaltain User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110516 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Orca E-mail List References: <20110812051338.GA9257@linlap.wavecable.com> In-Reply-To: <20110812051338.GA9257@linlap.wavecable.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Import Files in Calc X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 11:22:51 -0000 I haven't used it myself, but wouldn't Insert -> Sheet from file ... be what you're looking for? On 12/08/11 00:13, Steve Holmes wrote: > Quick question here; How do you import files into a Calc spreadsheet? > > I can't find any Import function any place. What I'm doing is trying > to import a tab delimitted text file into a simple table. This is a > pretty much no brainer with MS Excel and I thought OOo Calc or > Libreoffice calc would have a similar capability but I don't see it. > > Any ideas? > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain@gmail.com From leenagour@gmail.com Fri Aug 12 12:13:22 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D03F37501A4; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 12:13:22 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PMsh9iX8ZVuR; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 12:13:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ww0-f46.google.com (mail-ww0-f46.google.com [74.125.82.46]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC071750101; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 12:13:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwf27 with SMTP id 27so2000818wwf.27 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 05:13:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=azkZ8jIkZr0lOCFYUgVwK2CDmtFV/HQIxRCxLNGqbFE=; b=EkCYQOnFvZjW9kt4Hw55ulTvnCoM0ofFqNT75Zq87KJrv69Pm60hp+AEyS+mP4HEGB 1jC6wzdOQSkA6YMq3knjM1b6xGYLAioURxvv/CRLOSf8iVDhgdl841dejk9lhhD83CA2 vAGG1RVRDvOdSn7Xd3RX61rPHMDH7Cv0TcRu0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.90.8 with SMTP id d8mr2921976wef.25.1313151189658; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 05:13:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.132.39 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 05:13:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 17:43:09 +0530 Message-ID: From: leena chourey To: orca-list@gnome.org, gnome-accessibility-list , nautilus-list@gnome.org, poppler@lists.freedesktop.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d778be322c8104aa4dd672 Subject: [orca-list] National Workshop on 26 & 27Aug2011 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 12:13:23 -0000 --0016e6d778be322c8104aa4dd672 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hello members, For Information: 1. 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--0016e6d778be322c8104aa4dd672-- From webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl Fri Aug 12 14:17:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDE057500D6 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 14:17:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.813 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.813 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.812, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VNWB4l7t4b7w for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 14:17:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpo09.poczta.onet.pl (smtpo09.poczta.onet.pl [213.180.142.140]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F6967500CF for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 14:17:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [193.200.46.16] (unknown [193.200.46.16]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl) by smtp.poczta.onet.pl (Onet) with ESMTPSA id C5140200B5A80 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 16:17:02 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=poczta.onet.pl; s=2011; t=1313158622; bh=oHC1Uu1UWBqFe0s6M8bVDYJu4jUVbU5EwfW57F2L/78=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=KdU4qx6xh+haCAnlkQgJcOjsdpbGjb7F/uvFHs5zQOeF64t1+80CBGWd+gg/Hu6Pm YJk09nca79z3/CxCSQk8jF0n7A9knV6aCAZa6d2Q625BQUft4QxKm88UOjPw4gsFt1 DpyVFnAgpQFfkIdxBy9+UIOfFqmwWdbZh65WwMDg= Message-ID: <4E4535DB.4060900@poczta.onet.pl> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 16:16:59 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?TWljaGHFgiBaZWdhbg==?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110617 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] pdf X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 14:17:17 -0000 Hey. How can you read pdf files in an accessible way in ubuntu 11.04? From znvyyvfgf@gmail.com Fri Aug 12 15:26:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EFB4750113 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 15:26:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OIPNHQ06poDK for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 15:26:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com (mail-iy0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A959D7500D6 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 15:26:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iye7 with SMTP id 7so3609465iye.3 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 08:26:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=Nxz1v9YKPO90Jxgh8GJSBXEAyB+YG+F3TykGnY1aTiA=; b=TyWvVhou6lv7JzaROFQFs8t3jpERrRDu5mz2+CkgcpCDzPGCBVNMtMQLHdxeBAYUMM NX4TwfNdEWmVwbQLJ/24GyaEXvh98jgBnJI/9fmWI7OgVOn9T/lE9VXsVtWN6bZ95QPT 3FJEJbwFwg3/aogVonQp9GYJf9aiuqeN1iabI= Received: by 10.42.189.138 with SMTP id de10mr1147814icb.399.1313162788889; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 08:26:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (c-76-127-93-92.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [76.127.93.92]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y14sm2382025ibf.11.2011.08.12.08.26.26 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 12 Aug 2011 08:26:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 08:30:37 -0700 From: Frost To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110812153037.GA12701@rivensight.dyndns.org> References: <20110808231521.GA3685@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E40EAC5.8020101@gmail.com> <20110809224203.GA4629@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E420285.8080305@gmail.com> <20110810043306.GA29827@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E42B809.8000400@gmail.com> <20110810210929.GA3368@strigy.yelavich.home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110810210929.GA3368@strigy.yelavich.home> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Indicators [was "Re: Connecting to a wireless network"] X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 15:26:41 -0000 Hello all, Sure would be nice if some of these accessibility functions could be added to the LSB the way the filesystem is. We have Alt+F2 and type orca, Mickeysoft has Windows+U...dunno what Apple has. Because it sure as hell be nice to press a certain keystroke and get the accessible installation, plus it sure would save a hell of a lot of posts on, "How do I install Ubuntu, or GRML, or Arch, or Debian, etc., etc., etc. Universal Access isn't very universal at all with no standards from one distribution to another, let alone from one operating system to another. When are we going to make universal Access universal? When will we be able to press a key, no matter which LSB compliant distro and get an accessible installation, or have a screen reader/magnifier start up? When are we going to stop monkeying around with the trivial crap and actually do something intelligent for ourselves? When are we handicapped going to become part of the Linux Standards Base? Michael From kyle4jesus@gmail.com Fri Aug 12 16:15:11 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B641750068 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 16:15:11 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0SZu4tgp63IM for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 16:15:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F1B8750101 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 16:15:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyd10 with SMTP id 10so3030712gyd.27 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 09:14:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:reply-to:to:subject:date:message-id:x-mailer:mime-version :content-language:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Eq/Jtp00DL6/4Zlf0MtcYyP5+PT4urB6VhCfKdBTH3Q=; b=biGIZDZqbsQ/rP4Kp3S+IHbd/mRzSePH6WnHy7TVpkF6FDnM0KEtaV+c48FpupgDLg vPO5QobuPDq3sV8UnXSkMnBWeLNb4SKeuxdegOqNdIir6+9kgaSaz+PYPf9CTlqfJU8J a9epsvw06otvZWCTJfcuXimmzujg7Sg7wZOmo= Received: by 10.151.131.16 with SMTP id i16mr1939808ybn.141.1313165699470; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 09:14:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [26.224.183.54] (m862c36d0.tmodns.net [208.54.44.134]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 16sm4023091ybm.18.2011.08.12.09.14.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 12 Aug 2011 09:14:58 -0700 (PDT) From: kyle4jesus@gmail.com To: orca-list@gnome.org Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 12:14:52 -0500 Message-ID: <6qC8x7PvdrWN.wLXhvwrK@smtp.gmail.com> X-Mailer: EPOC Email Version 2.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: i-default Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [orca-list] pdf X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: kyle4jesus@gmail.com List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 16:15:11 -0000 The best way I've found to read a PDF file is to convert it to plain text = using pdftotext, which I believe is in the popler-utils package. = Unfortunately, there seems to be nothing that works correctly with Orca to = read the file without converting it. ~Kyle From linuxx64.bashsh@gmail.com Fri Aug 12 16:24:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C91F6750101 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 16:24:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yL3no-oiwACz for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 16:24:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com (mail-iy0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9160750068 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 16:24:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iye7 with SMTP id 7so3705594iye.3 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 09:24:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=oVGcDZkQiIu33mAn08Z8NN87yGu3E5RvIyuvNBwSaO4=; b=Aq6NgszlThB7iLYnINkTe28xNv7p2qZx7kiDCGwuX1cLEhTU+GxEGAbtbsmaEm8FNA OLMju+R4Nti8yl6CcXHGc/tdI6Efn6oKmhG+aR5aD5cpz6T6zQC0C4l5zTvvAeo7r3Qh fHTtvAQS6/Hw+YlCHlLtCfb40Z3y40TRjZnls= Received: by 10.231.117.132 with SMTP id r4mr2150936ibq.71.1313166272979; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 09:24:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.68] (99-53-108-47.lightspeed.ypslmi.sbcglobal.net [99.53.108.47]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fu7sm2407511ibb.53.2011.08.12.09.24.31 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 12 Aug 2011 09:24:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E4553E5.7000708@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 12:25:09 -0400 From: "Alex H." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <6qC8x7PvdrWN.wLXhvwrK@smtp.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <6qC8x7PvdrWN.wLXhvwrK@smtp.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] pdf X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 16:24:45 -0000 So the original question is, is there any plan to make a non-crappy PDF reader that's accessible? I do the convert to TXT or HTML thing, but that's just another step or two that I really shouldn't have to do. It wastes time and these days, PDF's are everywhere! Alex On 8/12/2011 1:14 PM, kyle4jesus@gmail.com wrote: > The best way I've found to read a PDF file is to convert it to plain text using pdftotext, which I believe is in the popler-utils package. Unfortunately, there seems to be nothing that works correctly with Orca to read the file without converting it. > ~Kyle > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp -- Sent via Thunderbird. From webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl Fri Aug 12 16:27:37 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B026750113 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 16:27:37 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.813 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.813 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.812, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9CZL3ucZTVvP for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 16:27:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpo05.poczta.onet.pl (smtpo05.poczta.onet.pl [213.180.142.136]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AF1A750068 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 16:27:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [193.200.46.16] (unknown [193.200.46.16]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl) by smtp.poczta.onet.pl (Onet) with ESMTPSA id 8DA9A200F3948 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 18:27:23 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=poczta.onet.pl; s=2011; t=1313166443; bh=PGlFVHomb3AOdUbOjF+Lk79iW7VRc8rHZ1HO8l0h+GI=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Nsg8QAhdjAs1GOHnaAw58+HpaMjBQ+er/iDKQ44p1RHOcY7fvnrnpxpaIEoesHYF8 zW+rzjh6wu7WBmfbtO7pHRSwbY5hO4M6JUgZ2M0LUV3PHpxLThj8iCf/Bxx9UZIahR I0nUDsMkPgTaztCFNbiGZ4H6NbRjMt2BhUKbtcuM= Message-ID: <4E45546B.2000005@poczta.onet.pl> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 18:27:23 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?TWljaGHFgiBaZWdhbg==?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110617 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <6qC8x7PvdrWN.wLXhvwrK@smtp.gmail.com> <4E4553E5.7000708@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4E4553E5.7000708@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] pdf X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 16:27:37 -0000 I heart evince3 is accessible so let's wait for ubuntu 11.10. W dniu 12.08.2011 18:25, Alex H. pisze: > So the original question is, is there any plan to make a non-crappy > PDF reader that's accessible? I do the convert to TXT or HTML thing, > but that's just another step or two that I really shouldn't have to > do. It wastes time and these days, PDF's are everywhere! > > Alex > > On 8/12/2011 1:14 PM, kyle4jesus@gmail.com wrote: >> The best way I've found to read a PDF file is to convert it to plain >> text using pdftotext, which I believe is in the popler-utils package. >> Unfortunately, there seems to be nothing that works correctly with >> Orca to read the file without converting it. >> ~Kyle >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at >> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Netiquette Guidelines are at >> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > From kyle4jesus@gmail.com Fri Aug 12 16:40:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3CC1750101 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 16:40:43 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t-Dy1qEr2+x4 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 16:40:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40B95750068 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 16:40:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxl31 with SMTP id 31so3029431yxl.27 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 09:40:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:reply-to:to:subject:date:message-id:x-mailer:mime-version :content-language:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=kOpe+07LbMXNY3pf4twehPIncVTVNMGENHAg+qbdNQI=; b=W1JbS6yr+fK5cPCmag/77Sq5xv8Cl/m8aSiOGeFeRpC1YovwZC0QqSD1i2aeihliS0 QCRcQNeZtYfJg3XIJ1fLhxelLNwU3WgeMBBC/uaGLEynjA6CMXgxxB5nIlhYDzusfxd+ BRc37h5XNInA+0e+MRRxl5e8K8SkhENkRp/Jg= Received: by 10.236.180.200 with SMTP id j48mr3613573yhm.84.1313167232386; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 09:40:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [26.227.83.188] (m882c36d0.tmodns.net [208.54.44.136]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z28sm3038207yhn.21.2011.08.12.09.40.27 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 12 Aug 2011 09:40:31 -0700 (PDT) From: kyle4jesus@gmail.com To: orca-list@gnome.org Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 12:40:22 -0500 Message-ID: <0l8mCQVKdnDH.JKkZHt3s@smtp.gmail.com> X-Mailer: EPOC Email Version 2.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: i-default Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [orca-list] pdf X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: kyle4jesus@gmail.com List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 16:40:44 -0000 I've been hearing about Evince accessibility for about 2 years. I'm not = holding my breath, although it will be nice to have. On the other hand, = i've never been all that thrilled about Adobe products and file formats = anyway, but that's just my opinion, and far too many people disagree with = me about that. :) ~Kyle From chaltain@gmail.com Fri Aug 12 17:44:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9335B75007F for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 17:44:33 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B9sbMvnDzuvo for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 17:44:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 155EE75007D for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 17:44:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyd10 with SMTP id 10so3124403gyd.27 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 10:44:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Oual3iuqLxzbTibFzoBjayGjYSBkTWReNBVEb+r7o2s=; b=uCj15UHSUa3f+3lr2Jmuzx4VYObSR6QuIFqxuFuCXGjrIDKtHriJKSCy2qEB7QBmaK emQrkQObltcGq3/MxFR6LwDL4++2Tn4affjIEFq745BV23No4Z+As4pkqM98p1+K5kPm n/c43ZUDiQTNpyAv+XWwBUrAmg3O0+oQwup0w= Received: by 10.91.50.11 with SMTP id c11mr1220065agk.141.1313171061199; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 10:44:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.113] (cpe-173-174-56-115.austin.res.rr.com [173.174.56.115]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c5sm2606525anh.1.2011.08.12.10.44.20 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 12 Aug 2011 10:44:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E456674.4080703@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 12:44:20 -0500 From: Christopher Chaltain User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110516 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20110808231521.GA3685@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E40EAC5.8020101@gmail.com> <20110809224203.GA4629@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E420285.8080305@gmail.com> <20110810043306.GA29827@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E42B809.8000400@gmail.com> <20110810210929.GA3368@strigy.yelavich.home> <20110812153037.GA12701@rivensight.dyndns.org> In-Reply-To: <20110812153037.GA12701@rivensight.dyndns.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Universal access [was "Re: Indicators [was "Re: Connecting to a wireless network"]"] X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 17:44:33 -0000 All laudable goals, but let's not lose sight of the gains we've also made. I switched from Windows to Linux a few months ago, thanks to the vinux distribution. I tried doing this several times over the last decade, but I wasn't successful until just now. I think this says a lot about how far the state of Linux accessibility has come. Universal access across distributions and operating systems is a laudable goal, but how realistic is it really? Is this a situation where we'd just be tilting at windmills? I mean if everyone could agree then we wouldn't have so many distributions and operating systems in the first place. Finally, I don't consider these questions to be trivial. I have a job right now that requires I have access to Linux, I can access wireless networks, I can use IRC, I can read email and so on. I need answers to these questions now if I'm going to keep my job. I can't wait for these questions to be answered or these issues to be addressed until after we have universal access across distributions and operating systems. I just can't wait that long. On 12/08/11 10:30, Frost wrote: > Hello all, > > Sure would be nice if some of these accessibility functions > could be added to the LSB the way the filesystem is. We have Alt+F2 and > type orca, Mickeysoft has Windows+U...dunno what Apple has. Because it > sure as hell be nice to press a certain keystroke and get the accessible > installation, plus it sure would save a hell of a lot of posts on, "How > do I install Ubuntu, or GRML, or Arch, or Debian, etc., etc., etc. > Universal Access isn't very universal at all with no standards from one > distribution to another, let alone from one operating system to another. > > When are we going to make universal Access universal? When will > we be able to press a key, no matter which LSB compliant distro and get > an accessible installation, or have a screen reader/magnifier start up? > When are we going to stop monkeying around with the trivial crap and > actually do something intelligent for ourselves? When are we > handicapped going to become part of the Linux Standards Base? > > Michael > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain@gmail.com From linuxx64.bashsh@gmail.com Fri Aug 12 18:08:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50FA7750075 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 18:08:57 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eofFex5Qdzhe for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 18:08:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2A1975006D for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 18:08:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qwc9 with SMTP id 9so2961616qwc.27 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 11:08:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+GKb8K9Iotxc6YH+ytrsLAAm7LVObaGhB98YhgOSFR8=; b=ABvJzMw7UknM+/ZdnD8lkEAy4EzJu0almaRTqPZhZ5ZFas5R1CFXAbOz/aWiF5v5sR BPaTtFiWb73OVLh5LZ420N0bEVBEtym5SpInpXsYZnrCSKr4XBtIr6FdQDGkVuzGg/rO JQKb1rDkgjMt+hMOLs0WqNdMg86RXcPRZqrbQ= Received: by 10.224.218.132 with SMTP id hq4mr875431qab.192.1313172521690; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 11:08:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.68] (99-53-108-47.lightspeed.ypslmi.sbcglobal.net [99.53.108.47]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fq5sm1669833qab.7.2011.08.12.11.08.40 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 12 Aug 2011 11:08:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E456C4C.9080300@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 14:09:16 -0400 From: "Alex H." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20110808231521.GA3685@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E40EAC5.8020101@gmail.com> <20110809224203.GA4629@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E420285.8080305@gmail.com> <20110810043306.GA29827@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E42B809.8000400@gmail.com> <20110810210929.GA3368@strigy.yelavich.home> <20110812153037.GA12701@rivensight.dyndns.org> <4E456674.4080703@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4E456674.4080703@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Universal access [was "Re: Indicators [was "Re: Connecting to a wireless network"]"] X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 18:08:57 -0000 Hi, On 8/12/2011 1:44 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > All laudable goals, but let's not lose sight of the gains we've also > made. I switched from Windows to Linux a few months ago, thanks to the > vinux distribution. I tried doing this several times over the last > decade, but I wasn't successful until just now. I think this says a lot > about how far the state of Linux accessibility has come. > Agree. I'm not using Linux as my main OS, but it has certainly become less annoying to use as of late. Before, I was die-hard CLI. Now I can actually use the GNOME environment without cringing at how laggy Orca is in Firefox and huge lists of files. Obviously there's room for improvement (e.g, Orca performance in Firefox can still use a big boost and accuracy check, as well as general responsiveness is not as good as the Windows counterparts with NVDA). That being said, things are a bit better and will hopefully improve steadily. > Universal access across distributions and operating systems is a > laudable goal, but how realistic is it really? Is this a situation where > we'd just be tilting at windmills? I mean if everyone could agree then > we wouldn't have so many distributions and operating systems in the > first place. > This is Linux's biggest fault. On one hand, you have 200+ distributions to pick from, and probably only 10-15 of those are actually accessible without having major issues. And that's probably a bit too positive. I don't just mean they stuck Orca in and left it at that, I mean actually having a snappy, well-put together OS that isn't going to need a boatload of configuring for the nooby. For noobs and Linux, Ubuntu and/or Vinux is really their only GUI option where they can use various Windows apps natively under Linux and gradually move into the Linux world. People will probably say we should all use Arch, but not everybody can just pick up a Linux book and start configuring their Arch system to their heart's content. As far as consoles go, Speakup is the solution, or Emacspeak, it's the GUI in all its flavors that really puts us blind and other disabled people on the brink of falling behind the pack. > Finally, I don't consider these questions to be trivial. I have a job > right now that requires I have access to Linux, I can access wireless > networks, I can use IRC, I can read email and so on. I need answers to > these questions now if I'm going to keep my job. I can't wait for these > questions to be answered or these issues to be addressed until after we > have universal access across distributions and operating systems. I just > can't wait that long. > Yes indeed. Universal access? What does this actually even mean? To me, it means not just the visually impaired user of technology, but the deaf and physically handicapped. Speech recognition under Linux is lacking or so I've heard, and there's probably other areas where Linux doesn't even scratch the surface of what needs to be done for other disabled individuals to effectively use their machines. Having universsal access will probably never happen. Nobody really likes getting involved in the nitty-gritty, and all the really awesome coders are finding big buck jobs and using Windows, or at the most, Linux as a server for websites etc. People need to start coming to major conclusions if we want something to get done on a more global/distrowide level. I'm on some other a11y Linux lists for various distros, and all they seem to do is bitch and moan about needing to make plans, and then argue amongst themselves about how to target accessibility in their distro, which leads to lots of quoted messages and arguments about the argument that started the initial argument about arguing about accessibility and usability, which in turn brings in another longwinded string of stuff hardly related to accessibility in the first place. In short, instead of coding, they're all just trying to figure out how to implement a11y and the result is almost no progress, at least in my eyes. Why don't people just start coding and experimenting rather than checking with the big elitists if it's OK? The community will decide in the end if their efforts are good or not. Now, to back up my whinefest, I'm actually learning Python. It's been slow going, as I have a real life, but I'm going to eventually try helping instead of blowing hot air. Oh, and yeah, a unified hotkey on any Linux distro to bring up accessibility options would be welcome. Now we'd just need to get the actual access there. Fluxbox, IseWM, and other obscure windowmanagers, anyone? Oh, what about Puppy Linux? Still not accessible. Why? It's too hard. Boo hoo! Alex > On 12/08/11 10:30, Frost wrote: >> Hello all, >> >> Sure would be nice if some of these accessibility functions >> could be added to the LSB the way the filesystem is. We have Alt+F2 and >> type orca, Mickeysoft has Windows+U...dunno what Apple has. Because it >> sure as hell be nice to press a certain keystroke and get the accessible >> installation, plus it sure would save a hell of a lot of posts on, "How >> do I install Ubuntu, or GRML, or Arch, or Debian, etc., etc., etc. >> Universal Access isn't very universal at all with no standards from one >> distribution to another, let alone from one operating system to another. >> >> When are we going to make universal Access universal? When will >> we be able to press a key, no matter which LSB compliant distro and get >> an accessible installation, or have a screen reader/magnifier start up? >> When are we going to stop monkeying around with the trivial crap and >> actually do something intelligent for ourselves? When are we >> handicapped going to become part of the Linux Standards Base? >> >> Michael >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > -- Sent via Thunderbird. From rkcole72984@gmail.com Fri Aug 12 18:46:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D74A75007F for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 18:46:15 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.59 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.59 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TV+qrzEShie2 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 18:46:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0D0975006D for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 18:46:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk28 with SMTP id 28so3188899gxk.27 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 11:46:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=oGD5aqo3MyRe+kN5p7/u4i1W/p6RgkspwoMLtppxL/g=; b=gNl3PhiazhWedrZnJIfpmqzQOFFsSs9qI9aixetnCt25/gBHydJnCH/S4Pv1N11GJd PpjIylzJy7HrNI2d8f1efDxyWxgkiY7Yy1ttjQ2G/Wm6K91UPnU0/j7kKoOSD3ESjUQb EojG0LDvfAjeywplgulPAj2ygyXVzQfLHi6GA= Received: by 10.42.130.68 with SMTP id u4mr1335272ics.464.1313174761060; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 11:46:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.142] (c-76-20-104-251.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [76.20.104.251]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 3sm2471833ibm.61.2011.08.12.11.45.58 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 12 Aug 2011 11:45:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E4574E5.5070907@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 11:45:57 -0700 From: Robert Cole User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110617 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20110808231521.GA3685@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E40EAC5.8020101@gmail.com> <20110809224203.GA4629@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E420285.8080305@gmail.com> <20110810043306.GA29827@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E42B809.8000400@gmail.com> <20110810210929.GA3368@strigy.yelavich.home> <20110812153037.GA12701@rivensight.dyndns.org> <4E456674.4080703@gmail.com> <4E456C4C.9080300@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4E456C4C.9080300@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Universal access [was "Re: Indicators [was "Re: Connecting to a wireless network"]"] X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 18:46:15 -0000 I know that this is slightly off-topic, and I apologize for it, but what resources are you using to learn Python, Alex? I have a book which I ordered online for beginning Python, but I was curious as to what you are using? Thank you. On 08/12/2011 11:09 AM, Alex H. wrote: > Hi, > > On 8/12/2011 1:44 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: >> All laudable goals, but let's not lose sight of the gains we've also >> made. I switched from Windows to Linux a few months ago, thanks to the >> vinux distribution. I tried doing this several times over the last >> decade, but I wasn't successful until just now. I think this says a lot >> about how far the state of Linux accessibility has come. >> > Agree. I'm not using Linux as my main OS, but it has certainly become > less annoying to use as of late. Before, I was die-hard CLI. Now I can > actually use the GNOME environment without cringing at how laggy Orca > is in Firefox and huge lists of files. Obviously there's room for > improvement (e.g, Orca performance in Firefox can still use a big > boost and accuracy check, as well as general responsiveness is not as > good as the Windows counterparts with NVDA). That being said, things > are a bit better and will hopefully improve steadily. > >> Universal access across distributions and operating systems is a >> laudable goal, but how realistic is it really? Is this a situation where >> we'd just be tilting at windmills? I mean if everyone could agree then >> we wouldn't have so many distributions and operating systems in the >> first place. >> > This is Linux's biggest fault. On one hand, you have 200+ > distributions to pick from, and probably only 10-15 of those are > actually accessible without having major issues. And that's probably a > bit too positive. I don't just mean they stuck Orca in and left it at > that, I mean actually having a snappy, well-put together OS that isn't > going to need a boatload of configuring for the nooby. For noobs and > Linux, Ubuntu and/or Vinux is really their only GUI option where they > can use various Windows apps natively under Linux and gradually move > into the Linux world. People will probably say we should all use Arch, > but not everybody can just pick up a Linux book and start configuring > their Arch system to their heart's content. As far as consoles go, > Speakup is the solution, or Emacspeak, it's the GUI in all its flavors > that really puts us blind and other disabled people on the brink of > falling behind the pack. > >> Finally, I don't consider these questions to be trivial. I have a job >> right now that requires I have access to Linux, I can access wireless >> networks, I can use IRC, I can read email and so on. I need answers to >> these questions now if I'm going to keep my job. I can't wait for these >> questions to be answered or these issues to be addressed until after we >> have universal access across distributions and operating systems. I just >> can't wait that long. >> > Yes indeed. Universal access? What does this actually even mean? To > me, it means not just the visually impaired user of technology, but > the deaf and physically handicapped. Speech recognition under Linux is > lacking or so I've heard, and there's probably other areas where Linux > doesn't even scratch the surface of what needs to be done for other > disabled individuals to effectively use their machines. Having > universsal access will probably never happen. Nobody really likes > getting involved in the nitty-gritty, and all the really awesome > coders are finding big buck jobs and using Windows, or at the most, > Linux as a server for websites etc. > > People need to start coming to major conclusions if we want something > to get done on a more global/distrowide level. I'm on some other a11y > Linux lists for various distros, and all they seem to do is bitch and > moan about needing to make plans, and then argue amongst themselves > about how to target accessibility in their distro, which leads to lots > of quoted messages and arguments about the argument that started the > initial argument about arguing about accessibility and usability, > which in turn brings in another longwinded string of stuff hardly > related to accessibility in the first place. In short, instead of > coding, they're all just trying to figure out how to implement a11y > and the result is almost no progress, at least in my eyes. Why don't > people just start coding and experimenting rather than checking with > the big elitists if it's OK? The community will decide in the end if > their efforts are good or not. > > Now, to back up my whinefest, I'm actually learning Python. It's been > slow going, as I have a real life, but I'm going to eventually try > helping instead of blowing hot air. > > Oh, and yeah, a unified hotkey on any Linux distro to bring up > accessibility options would be welcome. Now we'd just need to get the > actual access there. Fluxbox, IseWM, and other obscure windowmanagers, > anyone? Oh, what about Puppy Linux? Still not accessible. Why? It's > too hard. Boo hoo! > > Alex >> On 12/08/11 10:30, Frost wrote: >>> Hello all, >>> >>> Sure would be nice if some of these accessibility functions >>> could be added to the LSB the way the filesystem is. We have Alt+F2 >>> and >>> type orca, Mickeysoft has Windows+U...dunno what Apple has. Because it >>> sure as hell be nice to press a certain keystroke and get the >>> accessible >>> installation, plus it sure would save a hell of a lot of posts on, "How >>> do I install Ubuntu, or GRML, or Arch, or Debian, etc., etc., etc. >>> Universal Access isn't very universal at all with no standards from one >>> distribution to another, let alone from one operating system to >>> another. >>> >>> When are we going to make universal Access universal? When will >>> we be able to press a key, no matter which LSB compliant distro and get >>> an accessible installation, or have a screen reader/magnifier start up? >>> When are we going to stop monkeying around with the trivial crap and >>> actually do something intelligent for ourselves? When are we >>> handicapped going to become part of the Linux Standards Base? >>> >>> Michael >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>> The manual is at >>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>> Netiquette Guidelines are at >>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>> >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >> > > From linuxx64.bashsh@gmail.com Fri Aug 12 18:53:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED095750075 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 18:53:42 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HLqsezceizdg for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 18:53:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1C1975006D for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 18:53:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws18 with SMTP id 18so5038745vws.27 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 11:53:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=CS7QXmvMYgsWJIMFdKqRHHBJp1e0LbLjtvaiBFPTjxM=; b=jywGQS6ufKDWPob4Lk5lQTJSW0/ZhJgWcrb8n3Tm3SpjCP/T5vGQktEeCRC25luMmI qw5gdNDchY8YdGRUFck431Z6HWls4nMPyGzc0rt13HJKJpXWYL0WwEWafbUwBNj2VrIM 59gNTTp8DUiAdiugqD/f8n92vSIT1KJ80IXBk= Received: by 10.52.30.47 with SMTP id p15mr1225554vdh.130.1313175207327; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 11:53:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.68] (99-53-108-47.lightspeed.ypslmi.sbcglobal.net [99.53.108.47]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z9sm1428198vco.38.2011.08.12.11.53.25 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 12 Aug 2011 11:53:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E4576CA.3060107@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 14:54:02 -0400 From: "Alex H." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20110808231521.GA3685@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E40EAC5.8020101@gmail.com> <20110809224203.GA4629@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E420285.8080305@gmail.com> <20110810043306.GA29827@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E42B809.8000400@gmail.com> <20110810210929.GA3368@strigy.yelavich.home> <20110812153037.GA12701@rivensight.dyndns.org> <4E456674.4080703@gmail.com> <4E456C4C.9080300@gmail.com> <4E4574E5.5070907@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4E4574E5.5070907@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Universal access [was "Re: Indicators [was "Re: Connecting to a wireless network"]"] X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 18:53:43 -0000 Hi, It's sort of little of this little of that, the Python Tutorial at python.org is a good read, but it does go into planet Esoterica as you go and it takes quite a while to really get what is going on. Also, http://www.sthurlow.com/python/ is a beginner's point of view on Python. It starts out stupidly simple but at least it's harder to get lost that way. I hit the wall when it comes to actually....using it. Sure it's good to be able to write abstract tidbits of code to make math easier on yourself, but what about doing something useful? This is where the resources are lacking. Alex On 8/12/2011 2:45 PM, Robert Cole wrote: > I know that this is slightly off-topic, and I apologize for it, but > what resources are you using to learn Python, Alex? I have a book > which I ordered online for beginning Python, but I was curious as to > what you are using? Thank you. > > On 08/12/2011 11:09 AM, Alex H. wrote: >> Hi, >> >> On 8/12/2011 1:44 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: >>> All laudable goals, but let's not lose sight of the gains we've also >>> made. I switched from Windows to Linux a few months ago, thanks to the >>> vinux distribution. I tried doing this several times over the last >>> decade, but I wasn't successful until just now. I think this says a lot >>> about how far the state of Linux accessibility has come. >>> >> Agree. I'm not using Linux as my main OS, but it has certainly become >> less annoying to use as of late. Before, I was die-hard CLI. Now I >> can actually use the GNOME environment without cringing at how laggy >> Orca is in Firefox and huge lists of files. Obviously there's room >> for improvement (e.g, Orca performance in Firefox can still use a big >> boost and accuracy check, as well as general responsiveness is not as >> good as the Windows counterparts with NVDA). That being said, things >> are a bit better and will hopefully improve steadily. >> >>> Universal access across distributions and operating systems is a >>> laudable goal, but how realistic is it really? Is this a situation >>> where >>> we'd just be tilting at windmills? I mean if everyone could agree then >>> we wouldn't have so many distributions and operating systems in the >>> first place. >>> >> This is Linux's biggest fault. On one hand, you have 200+ >> distributions to pick from, and probably only 10-15 of those are >> actually accessible without having major issues. And that's probably >> a bit too positive. I don't just mean they stuck Orca in and left it >> at that, I mean actually having a snappy, well-put together OS that >> isn't going to need a boatload of configuring for the nooby. For >> noobs and Linux, Ubuntu and/or Vinux is really their only GUI option >> where they can use various Windows apps natively under Linux and >> gradually move into the Linux world. People will probably say we >> should all use Arch, but not everybody can just pick up a Linux book >> and start configuring their Arch system to their heart's content. As >> far as consoles go, Speakup is the solution, or Emacspeak, it's the >> GUI in all its flavors that really puts us blind and other disabled >> people on the brink of falling behind the pack. >> >>> Finally, I don't consider these questions to be trivial. I have a job >>> right now that requires I have access to Linux, I can access wireless >>> networks, I can use IRC, I can read email and so on. I need answers to >>> these questions now if I'm going to keep my job. I can't wait for these >>> questions to be answered or these issues to be addressed until after we >>> have universal access across distributions and operating systems. I >>> just >>> can't wait that long. >>> >> Yes indeed. Universal access? What does this actually even mean? To >> me, it means not just the visually impaired user of technology, but >> the deaf and physically handicapped. Speech recognition under Linux >> is lacking or so I've heard, and there's probably other areas where >> Linux doesn't even scratch the surface of what needs to be done for >> other disabled individuals to effectively use their machines. Having >> universsal access will probably never happen. Nobody really likes >> getting involved in the nitty-gritty, and all the really awesome >> coders are finding big buck jobs and using Windows, or at the most, >> Linux as a server for websites etc. >> >> People need to start coming to major conclusions if we want something >> to get done on a more global/distrowide level. I'm on some other >> a11y Linux lists for various distros, and all they seem to do is >> bitch and moan about needing to make plans, and then argue amongst >> themselves about how to target accessibility in their distro, which >> leads to lots of quoted messages and arguments about the argument >> that started the initial argument about arguing about accessibility >> and usability, which in turn brings in another longwinded string of >> stuff hardly related to accessibility in the first place. In short, >> instead of coding, they're all just trying to figure out how to >> implement a11y and the result is almost no progress, at least in my >> eyes. Why don't people just start coding and experimenting rather >> than checking with the big elitists if it's OK? The community will >> decide in the end if their efforts are good or not. >> >> Now, to back up my whinefest, I'm actually learning Python. It's been >> slow going, as I have a real life, but I'm going to eventually try >> helping instead of blowing hot air. >> >> Oh, and yeah, a unified hotkey on any Linux distro to bring up >> accessibility options would be welcome. Now we'd just need to get the >> actual access there. Fluxbox, IseWM, and other obscure >> windowmanagers, anyone? Oh, what about Puppy Linux? Still not >> accessible. Why? It's too hard. Boo hoo! >> >> Alex >>> On 12/08/11 10:30, Frost wrote: >>>> Hello all, >>>> >>>> Sure would be nice if some of these accessibility functions >>>> could be added to the LSB the way the filesystem is. We have >>>> Alt+F2 and >>>> type orca, Mickeysoft has Windows+U...dunno what Apple has. >>>> Because it >>>> sure as hell be nice to press a certain keystroke and get the >>>> accessible >>>> installation, plus it sure would save a hell of a lot of posts on, >>>> "How >>>> do I install Ubuntu, or GRML, or Arch, or Debian, etc., etc., etc. >>>> Universal Access isn't very universal at all with no standards from >>>> one >>>> distribution to another, let alone from one operating system to >>>> another. >>>> >>>> When are we going to make universal Access universal? When will >>>> we be able to press a key, no matter which LSB compliant distro and >>>> get >>>> an accessible installation, or have a screen reader/magnifier start >>>> up? >>>> When are we going to stop monkeying around with the trivial crap and >>>> actually do something intelligent for ourselves? When are we >>>> handicapped going to become part of the Linux Standards Base? >>>> >>>> Michael >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> orca-list mailing list >>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>>> The manual is at >>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>>> Netiquette Guidelines are at >>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>>> >>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >>> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp -- Sent via Thunderbird. From rkcole72984@gmail.com Fri Aug 12 19:13:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5F5C7500E0 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 19:13:23 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.589 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.589 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gYR-UsHm-ZG2 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 19:13:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6917475007F for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 19:13:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywo32 with SMTP id 32so1756953ywo.27 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 12:13:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type; bh=nmY4f1EnmLHzb98B2aXTSS06a4PKD5ApPda6rL81JuA=; b=ku70Hln/IleQCR00hZAtJXdxEGyFB/y1oBiBx0XTdp5l14OEMbTDEGrg8TmDyycEqM Y7w1MQjHPKZswC0dfXzAmgK+V59T5NdkFJi8l4QESTGt+gVLKpPSmyhtZzfJVhl9D9DU CdftBGIFeAqpWsJOQqQj37TNx9XzgC9Wo6F7w= Received: by 10.101.170.11 with SMTP id x11mr1275400ano.145.1313176387545; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 12:13:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.142] (c-76-20-104-251.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [76.20.104.251]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k20sm2662795and.31.2011.08.12.12.13.06 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 12 Aug 2011 12:13:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E457B41.8050603@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 12:13:05 -0700 From: Robert Cole User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110617 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20110808231521.GA3685@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E40EAC5.8020101@gmail.com> <20110809224203.GA4629@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E420285.8080305@gmail.com> <20110810043306.GA29827@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E42B809.8000400@gmail.com> <20110810210929.GA3368@strigy.yelavich.home> <20110812153037.GA12701@rivensight.dyndns.org> <4E456674.4080703@gmail.com> <4E456C4C.9080300@gmail.com> <4E4574E5.5070907@gmail.com> <4E4576CA.3060107@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4E4576CA.3060107@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020203060309020504010007" Subject: Re: [orca-list] Universal access [was "Re: Indicators [was "Re: Connecting to a wireless network"]"] X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 19:13:23 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020203060309020504010007 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree with you there. I took a class in which Python was the main language taught, but the problem is that all I learned to do was to create a program which takes in a birthday and gives a person a personality characteristic about himself/herself according to some formulas. Unfortunately, I have taken classes in C++ as well, but it was basically the same--creating programs which use minimal skills, and basically do something very, very simple like printing diamond shapes made of asterisks on the screen. I read these posts on the Orca list as well as the Ubuntu Accessibility list, and I just feel awful because I hardly know a thing. I have a little bit of vision which allows me to use the eZoom plugin in Compiz, but I don't think that it is going to last, and I definitely do not plan on switching back to Windows. I just wish that there was some way that I could help, so long as I would have the time to do so. In any case, thanks for the links. On 08/12/2011 11:54 AM, Alex H. wrote: > Hi, > > It's sort of little of this little of that, the Python Tutorial at > python.org is a good read, but it does go into planet Esoterica as you > go and it takes quite a while to really get what is going on. Also, > http://www.sthurlow.com/python/ is a beginner's point of view on > Python. It starts out stupidly simple but at least it's harder to get > lost that way. > > I hit the wall when it comes to actually....using it. Sure it's good > to be able to write abstract tidbits of code to make math easier on > yourself, but what about doing something useful? This is where the > resources are lacking. > > Alex > > On 8/12/2011 2:45 PM, Robert Cole wrote: >> I know that this is slightly off-topic, and I apologize for it, but >> what resources are you using to learn Python, Alex? I have a book >> which I ordered online for beginning Python, but I was curious as to >> what you are using? Thank you. >> >> On 08/12/2011 11:09 AM, Alex H. wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> On 8/12/2011 1:44 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: >>>> All laudable goals, but let's not lose sight of the gains we've also >>>> made. I switched from Windows to Linux a few months ago, thanks to the >>>> vinux distribution. I tried doing this several times over the last >>>> decade, but I wasn't successful until just now. I think this says a >>>> lot >>>> about how far the state of Linux accessibility has come. >>>> >>> Agree. I'm not using Linux as my main OS, but it has certainly >>> become less annoying to use as of late. Before, I was die-hard CLI. >>> Now I can actually use the GNOME environment without cringing at how >>> laggy Orca is in Firefox and huge lists of files. Obviously there's >>> room for improvement (e.g, Orca performance in Firefox can still use >>> a big boost and accuracy check, as well as general responsiveness is >>> not as good as the Windows counterparts with NVDA). That being said, >>> things are a bit better and will hopefully improve steadily. >>> >>>> Universal access across distributions and operating systems is a >>>> laudable goal, but how realistic is it really? Is this a situation >>>> where >>>> we'd just be tilting at windmills? I mean if everyone could agree then >>>> we wouldn't have so many distributions and operating systems in the >>>> first place. >>>> >>> This is Linux's biggest fault. On one hand, you have 200+ >>> distributions to pick from, and probably only 10-15 of those are >>> actually accessible without having major issues. And that's probably >>> a bit too positive. I don't just mean they stuck Orca in and left it >>> at that, I mean actually having a snappy, well-put together OS that >>> isn't going to need a boatload of configuring for the nooby. For >>> noobs and Linux, Ubuntu and/or Vinux is really their only GUI option >>> where they can use various Windows apps natively under Linux and >>> gradually move into the Linux world. People will probably say we >>> should all use Arch, but not everybody can just pick up a Linux book >>> and start configuring their Arch system to their heart's content. As >>> far as consoles go, Speakup is the solution, or Emacspeak, it's the >>> GUI in all its flavors that really puts us blind and other disabled >>> people on the brink of falling behind the pack. >>> >>>> Finally, I don't consider these questions to be trivial. I have a job >>>> right now that requires I have access to Linux, I can access wireless >>>> networks, I can use IRC, I can read email and so on. I need answers to >>>> these questions now if I'm going to keep my job. I can't wait for >>>> these >>>> questions to be answered or these issues to be addressed until >>>> after we >>>> have universal access across distributions and operating systems. I >>>> just >>>> can't wait that long. >>>> >>> Yes indeed. Universal access? What does this actually even mean? To >>> me, it means not just the visually impaired user of technology, but >>> the deaf and physically handicapped. Speech recognition under Linux >>> is lacking or so I've heard, and there's probably other areas where >>> Linux doesn't even scratch the surface of what needs to be done for >>> other disabled individuals to effectively use their machines. Having >>> universsal access will probably never happen. Nobody really likes >>> getting involved in the nitty-gritty, and all the really awesome >>> coders are finding big buck jobs and using Windows, or at the most, >>> Linux as a server for websites etc. >>> >>> People need to start coming to major conclusions if we want >>> something to get done on a more global/distrowide level. I'm on >>> some other a11y Linux lists for various distros, and all they seem >>> to do is bitch and moan about needing to make plans, and then argue >>> amongst themselves about how to target accessibility in their >>> distro, which leads to lots of quoted messages and arguments about >>> the argument that started the initial argument about arguing about >>> accessibility and usability, which in turn brings in another >>> longwinded string of stuff hardly related to accessibility in the >>> first place. In short, instead of coding, they're all just trying to >>> figure out how to implement a11y and the result is almost no >>> progress, at least in my eyes. Why don't people just start coding >>> and experimenting rather than checking with the big elitists if it's >>> OK? The community will decide in the end if their efforts are good >>> or not. >>> >>> Now, to back up my whinefest, I'm actually learning Python. It's >>> been slow going, as I have a real life, but I'm going to eventually >>> try helping instead of blowing hot air. >>> >>> Oh, and yeah, a unified hotkey on any Linux distro to bring up >>> accessibility options would be welcome. Now we'd just need to get >>> the actual access there. Fluxbox, IseWM, and other obscure >>> windowmanagers, anyone? Oh, what about Puppy Linux? Still not >>> accessible. Why? It's too hard. Boo hoo! >>> >>> Alex >>>> On 12/08/11 10:30, Frost wrote: >>>>> Hello all, >>>>> >>>>> Sure would be nice if some of these accessibility functions >>>>> could be added to the LSB the way the filesystem is. We have >>>>> Alt+F2 and >>>>> type orca, Mickeysoft has Windows+U...dunno what Apple has. >>>>> Because it >>>>> sure as hell be nice to press a certain keystroke and get the >>>>> accessible >>>>> installation, plus it sure would save a hell of a lot of posts on, >>>>> "How >>>>> do I install Ubuntu, or GRML, or Arch, or Debian, etc., etc., etc. >>>>> Universal Access isn't very universal at all with no standards >>>>> from one >>>>> distribution to another, let alone from one operating system to >>>>> another. >>>>> >>>>> When are we going to make universal Access universal? When will >>>>> we be able to press a key, no matter which LSB compliant distro >>>>> and get >>>>> an accessible installation, or have a screen reader/magnifier >>>>> start up? >>>>> When are we going to stop monkeying around with the trivial crap and >>>>> actually do something intelligent for ourselves? When are we >>>>> handicapped going to become part of the Linux Standards Base? >>>>> >>>>> Michael >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>>>> The manual is at >>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>>>> Netiquette Guidelines are at >>>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>>>> >>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >>>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at >> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Netiquette Guidelines are at >> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > > -- > Sent via Thunderbird. > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp --------------020203060309020504010007 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree with you there. I took a class in which Python was the main language taught, but the problem is that all I learned to do was to create a program which takes in a birthday and gives a person a personality characteristic about himself/herself according to some formulas. Unfortunately, I have taken classes in C++ as well, but it was basically the same--creating programs which use minimal skills, and basically do something very, very simple like printing diamond shapes made of asterisks on the screen.

I read these posts on the Orca list as well as the Ubuntu Accessibility list, and I just feel awful because I hardly know a thing. I have a little bit of vision which allows me to use the eZoom plugin in Compiz, but I don't think that it is going to last, and I definitely do not plan on switching back to Windows. I just wish that there was some way that I could help, so long as I would have the time to do so.

In any case, thanks for the links.

On 08/12/2011 11:54 AM, Alex H. wrote:
Hi,

It's sort of little of this little of that, the Python Tutorial at python.org is a good read, but it does go into planet Esoterica as you go and it takes quite a while to really get what is going on. Also, http://www.sthurlow.com/python/ is a beginner's point of view on Python. It starts out stupidly simple but at least it's harder to get lost that way.

I hit the wall when it comes to actually....using it. Sure it's good to be able to write abstract tidbits of code to make math easier on yourself, but what about doing something useful? This is where the resources are lacking.

Alex

On 8/12/2011 2:45 PM, Robert Cole wrote:
I know that this is slightly off-topic, and I apologize for it, but what resources are you using to learn Python, Alex? I have a book which I ordered online for beginning Python, but I was curious as to what you are using? Thank you.

On 08/12/2011 11:09 AM, Alex H. wrote:
Hi,

On 8/12/2011 1:44 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
All laudable goals, but let's not lose sight of the gains we've also
made. I switched from Windows to Linux a few months ago, thanks to the
vinux distribution. I tried doing this several times over the last
decade, but I wasn't successful until just now. I think this says a lot
about how far the state of Linux accessibility has come.

Agree. I'm not using Linux as my main OS, but it has certainly become less annoying to use as of late. Before, I was die-hard CLI. Now I can actually use the GNOME environment without cringing at how laggy Orca is in Firefox and huge lists of files. Obviously there's room for improvement (e.g, Orca performance in Firefox can still use a big boost and accuracy check, as well as general responsiveness is not as good as the Windows counterparts with NVDA). That being said, things are a bit better and will hopefully improve steadily.

Universal access across distributions and operating systems is a
laudable goal, but how realistic is it really? Is this a situation where
we'd just be tilting at windmills? I mean if everyone could agree then
we wouldn't have so many distributions and operating systems in the
first place.

This is Linux's biggest fault. On one hand, you have 200+ distributions to pick from, and probably only 10-15 of those are actually accessible without having major issues. And that's probably a bit too positive. I don't just mean they stuck Orca in and left it at that, I mean actually having a snappy, well-put together OS that isn't going to need a boatload of configuring for the nooby. For noobs and Linux, Ubuntu and/or Vinux is really their only GUI option where they can use various Windows apps natively under Linux and gradually move into the Linux world. People will probably say we should all use Arch, but not everybody can just pick up a Linux book and start configuring their Arch system to their heart's content. As far as consoles go, Speakup is the solution, or Emacspeak, it's the GUI in all its flavors that really puts us blind and other disabled people on the brink of falling behind the pack.

Finally, I don't consider these questions to be trivial. I have a job
right now that requires I have access to Linux, I can access wireless
networks, I can use IRC, I can read email and so on. I need answers to
these questions now if I'm going to keep my job. I can't wait for these
questions to be answered or these issues to be addressed until after we
have universal access across distributions and operating systems. I just
can't wait that long.

Yes indeed. Universal access? What does this actually even mean? To me, it means not just the visually impaired user of technology, but the deaf and physically handicapped. Speech recognition under Linux is lacking or so I've heard, and there's probably other areas where Linux doesn't even scratch the surface of what needs to be done for other disabled individuals to effectively use their machines. Having universsal access will probably never happen. Nobody really likes getting involved in the nitty-gritty, and all the really awesome coders are finding big buck jobs and using Windows, or at the most, Linux as a server for websites etc.

People need to start coming to major conclusions if we want something to get done on a more global/distrowide level.  I'm on some other a11y Linux lists for various distros, and all they seem to do is bitch and moan about needing to make plans, and then argue amongst themselves about how to target accessibility in their distro, which leads to lots of quoted messages and arguments about the argument that started the initial argument about arguing about accessibility and usability, which in turn brings in another longwinded string of stuff hardly related to accessibility in the first place. In short, instead of coding, they're all just trying to figure out how to implement a11y and the result is almost no progress, at least in my eyes. Why don't people just start coding and experimenting rather than checking with the big elitists if it's OK? The community will decide in the end if their efforts are good or not.

Now, to back up my whinefest, I'm actually learning Python. It's been slow going, as I have a real life, but I'm going to eventually try helping instead of blowing hot air.

Oh, and yeah, a unified hotkey on any Linux distro to bring up accessibility options would be welcome. Now we'd just need to get the actual access there. Fluxbox, IseWM, and other obscure windowmanagers, anyone? Oh, what about Puppy Linux? Still not accessible. Why? It's too hard. Boo hoo!

Alex
On 12/08/11 10:30, Frost wrote:
    Hello all,

    Sure would be nice if some of these accessibility functions
could be added to the LSB the way the filesystem is.  We have Alt+F2 and
type orca, Mickeysoft has Windows+U...dunno what Apple has.  Because it
sure as hell be nice to press a certain keystroke and get the accessible
installation, plus it sure would save a hell of a lot of posts on, "How
do I install Ubuntu, or GRML, or Arch, or Debian, etc., etc., etc.
Universal Access isn't very universal at all with no standards from one
distribution to another, let alone from one operating system to another.

    When are we going to make universal Access universal?  When will
we be able to press a key, no matter which LSB compliant distro and get
an accessible installation, or have a screen reader/magnifier start up?
When are we going to stop monkeying around with the trivial crap and
actually do something intelligent for ourselves?  When are we
handicapped going to become part of the Linux Standards Base?

                Michael

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The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
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The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
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User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20110808231521.GA3685@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E40EAC5.8020101@gmail.com> <20110809224203.GA4629@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E420285.8080305@gmail.com> <20110810043306.GA29827@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E42B809.8000400@gmail.com> <20110810210929.GA3368@strigy.yelavich.home> <20110812153037.GA12701@rivensight.dyndns.org> <4E456674.4080703@gmail.com> <4E456C4C.9080300@gmail.com> <4E4574E5.5070907@gmail.com> <4E4576CA.3060107@gmail.com> <4E457B41.8050603@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4E457B41.8050603@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000803000203010001010002" Subject: Re: [orca-list] Universal access [was "Re: Indicators [was "Re: Connecting to a wireless network"]"] X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 19:33:19 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000803000203010001010002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What we really need is some tutorials/rough guidelines on how to import/use wxWidgets and other GUI based libs, but then again, who's going to do this/find it necessary? If you want to talk more about this kinda stuff, just email me off-list so we don't tick off the mods. Alex On 8/12/2011 3:13 PM, Robert Cole wrote: > I agree with you there. I took a class in which Python was the main > language taught, but the problem is that all I learned to do was to > create a program which takes in a birthday and gives a person a > personality characteristic about himself/herself according to some > formulas. Unfortunately, I have taken classes in C++ as well, but it > was basically the same--creating programs which use minimal skills, > and basically do something very, very simple like printing diamond > shapes made of asterisks on the screen. > > I read these posts on the Orca list as well as the Ubuntu > Accessibility list, and I just feel awful because I hardly know a > thing. I have a little bit of vision which allows me to use the eZoom > plugin in Compiz, but I don't think that it is going to last, and I > definitely do not plan on switching back to Windows. I just wish that > there was some way that I could help, so long as I would have the time > to do so. > > In any case, thanks for the links. > > On 08/12/2011 11:54 AM, Alex H. wrote: >> Hi, >> >> It's sort of little of this little of that, the Python Tutorial at >> python.org is a good read, but it does go into planet Esoterica as >> you go and it takes quite a while to really get what is going on. >> Also, http://www.sthurlow.com/python/ is a beginner's point of view >> on Python. It starts out stupidly simple but at least it's harder to >> get lost that way. >> >> I hit the wall when it comes to actually....using it. Sure it's good >> to be able to write abstract tidbits of code to make math easier on >> yourself, but what about doing something useful? This is where the >> resources are lacking. >> >> Alex >> >> On 8/12/2011 2:45 PM, Robert Cole wrote: >>> I know that this is slightly off-topic, and I apologize for it, but >>> what resources are you using to learn Python, Alex? I have a book >>> which I ordered online for beginning Python, but I was curious as to >>> what you are using? Thank you. >>> >>> On 08/12/2011 11:09 AM, Alex H. wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> On 8/12/2011 1:44 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: >>>>> All laudable goals, but let's not lose sight of the gains we've also >>>>> made. I switched from Windows to Linux a few months ago, thanks to >>>>> the >>>>> vinux distribution. I tried doing this several times over the last >>>>> decade, but I wasn't successful until just now. I think this says >>>>> a lot >>>>> about how far the state of Linux accessibility has come. >>>>> >>>> Agree. I'm not using Linux as my main OS, but it has certainly >>>> become less annoying to use as of late. Before, I was die-hard CLI. >>>> Now I can actually use the GNOME environment without cringing at >>>> how laggy Orca is in Firefox and huge lists of files. Obviously >>>> there's room for improvement (e.g, Orca performance in Firefox can >>>> still use a big boost and accuracy check, as well as general >>>> responsiveness is not as good as the Windows counterparts with >>>> NVDA). That being said, things are a bit better and will hopefully >>>> improve steadily. >>>> >>>>> Universal access across distributions and operating systems is a >>>>> laudable goal, but how realistic is it really? Is this a situation >>>>> where >>>>> we'd just be tilting at windmills? I mean if everyone could agree >>>>> then >>>>> we wouldn't have so many distributions and operating systems in the >>>>> first place. >>>>> >>>> This is Linux's biggest fault. On one hand, you have 200+ >>>> distributions to pick from, and probably only 10-15 of those are >>>> actually accessible without having major issues. And that's >>>> probably a bit too positive. I don't just mean they stuck Orca in >>>> and left it at that, I mean actually having a snappy, well-put >>>> together OS that isn't going to need a boatload of configuring for >>>> the nooby. For noobs and Linux, Ubuntu and/or Vinux is really their >>>> only GUI option where they can use various Windows apps natively >>>> under Linux and gradually move into the Linux world. People will >>>> probably say we should all use Arch, but not everybody can just >>>> pick up a Linux book and start configuring their Arch system to >>>> their heart's content. As far as consoles go, Speakup is the >>>> solution, or Emacspeak, it's the GUI in all its flavors that really >>>> puts us blind and other disabled people on the brink of falling >>>> behind the pack. >>>> >>>>> Finally, I don't consider these questions to be trivial. I have a job >>>>> right now that requires I have access to Linux, I can access wireless >>>>> networks, I can use IRC, I can read email and so on. I need >>>>> answers to >>>>> these questions now if I'm going to keep my job. I can't wait for >>>>> these >>>>> questions to be answered or these issues to be addressed until >>>>> after we >>>>> have universal access across distributions and operating systems. >>>>> I just >>>>> can't wait that long. >>>>> >>>> Yes indeed. Universal access? What does this actually even mean? To >>>> me, it means not just the visually impaired user of technology, but >>>> the deaf and physically handicapped. Speech recognition under Linux >>>> is lacking or so I've heard, and there's probably other areas where >>>> Linux doesn't even scratch the surface of what needs to be done for >>>> other disabled individuals to effectively use their machines. >>>> Having universsal access will probably never happen. Nobody really >>>> likes getting involved in the nitty-gritty, and all the really >>>> awesome coders are finding big buck jobs and using Windows, or at >>>> the most, Linux as a server for websites etc. >>>> >>>> People need to start coming to major conclusions if we want >>>> something to get done on a more global/distrowide level. I'm on >>>> some other a11y Linux lists for various distros, and all they seem >>>> to do is bitch and moan about needing to make plans, and then argue >>>> amongst themselves about how to target accessibility in their >>>> distro, which leads to lots of quoted messages and arguments about >>>> the argument that started the initial argument about arguing about >>>> accessibility and usability, which in turn brings in another >>>> longwinded string of stuff hardly related to accessibility in the >>>> first place. In short, instead of coding, they're all just trying >>>> to figure out how to implement a11y and the result is almost no >>>> progress, at least in my eyes. Why don't people just start coding >>>> and experimenting rather than checking with the big elitists if >>>> it's OK? The community will decide in the end if their efforts are >>>> good or not. >>>> >>>> Now, to back up my whinefest, I'm actually learning Python. It's >>>> been slow going, as I have a real life, but I'm going to eventually >>>> try helping instead of blowing hot air. >>>> >>>> Oh, and yeah, a unified hotkey on any Linux distro to bring up >>>> accessibility options would be welcome. Now we'd just need to get >>>> the actual access there. Fluxbox, IseWM, and other obscure >>>> windowmanagers, anyone? Oh, what about Puppy Linux? Still not >>>> accessible. Why? It's too hard. Boo hoo! >>>> >>>> Alex >>>>> On 12/08/11 10:30, Frost wrote: >>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>> >>>>>> Sure would be nice if some of these accessibility functions >>>>>> could be added to the LSB the way the filesystem is. We have >>>>>> Alt+F2 and >>>>>> type orca, Mickeysoft has Windows+U...dunno what Apple has. >>>>>> Because it >>>>>> sure as hell be nice to press a certain keystroke and get the >>>>>> accessible >>>>>> installation, plus it sure would save a hell of a lot of posts >>>>>> on, "How >>>>>> do I install Ubuntu, or GRML, or Arch, or Debian, etc., etc., etc. >>>>>> Universal Access isn't very universal at all with no standards >>>>>> from one >>>>>> distribution to another, let alone from one operating system to >>>>>> another. >>>>>> >>>>>> When are we going to make universal Access universal? When will >>>>>> we be able to press a key, no matter which LSB compliant distro >>>>>> and get >>>>>> an accessible installation, or have a screen reader/magnifier >>>>>> start up? >>>>>> When are we going to stop monkeying around with the trivial crap and >>>>>> actually do something intelligent for ourselves? When are we >>>>>> handicapped going to become part of the Linux Standards Base? >>>>>> >>>>>> Michael >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>>>>> The manual is at >>>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>>>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>>>>> Netiquette Guidelines are at >>>>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>>>>> >>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>>>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>> The manual is at >>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>> Netiquette Guidelines are at >>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>> >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >> >> >> -- >> Sent via Thunderbird. >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at >> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Netiquette Guidelines are at >> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp -- Sent via Thunderbird. --------------000803000203010001010002 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What we really need is some tutorials/rough guidelines on how to import/use wxWidgets and other GUI based libs, but then again, who's going to do this/find it necessary?

If you want to talk more about this kinda stuff, just email me off-list so we don't tick off the mods.

Alex

On 8/12/2011 3:13 PM, Robert Cole wrote:
I agree with you there. I took a class in which Python was the main language taught, but the problem is that all I learned to do was to create a program which takes in a birthday and gives a person a personality characteristic about himself/herself according to some formulas. Unfortunately, I have taken classes in C++ as well, but it was basically the same--creating programs which use minimal skills, and basically do something very, very simple like printing diamond shapes made of asterisks on the screen.

I read these posts on the Orca list as well as the Ubuntu Accessibility list, and I just feel awful because I hardly know a thing. I have a little bit of vision which allows me to use the eZoom plugin in Compiz, but I don't think that it is going to last, and I definitely do not plan on switching back to Windows. I just wish that there was some way that I could help, so long as I would have the time to do so.

In any case, thanks for the links.

On 08/12/2011 11:54 AM, Alex H. wrote:
Hi,

It's sort of little of this little of that, the Python Tutorial at python.org is a good read, but it does go into planet Esoterica as you go and it takes quite a while to really get what is going on. Also, http://www.sthurlow.com/python/ is a beginner's point of view on Python. It starts out stupidly simple but at least it's harder to get lost that way.

I hit the wall when it comes to actually....using it. Sure it's good to be able to write abstract tidbits of code to make math easier on yourself, but what about doing something useful? This is where the resources are lacking.

Alex

On 8/12/2011 2:45 PM, Robert Cole wrote:
I know that this is slightly off-topic, and I apologize for it, but what resources are you using to learn Python, Alex? I have a book which I ordered online for beginning Python, but I was curious as to what you are using? Thank you.

On 08/12/2011 11:09 AM, Alex H. wrote:
Hi,

On 8/12/2011 1:44 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
All laudable goals, but let's not lose sight of the gains we've also
made. I switched from Windows to Linux a few months ago, thanks to the
vinux distribution. I tried doing this several times over the last
decade, but I wasn't successful until just now. I think this says a lot
about how far the state of Linux accessibility has come.

Agree. I'm not using Linux as my main OS, but it has certainly become less annoying to use as of late. Before, I was die-hard CLI. Now I can actually use the GNOME environment without cringing at how laggy Orca is in Firefox and huge lists of files. Obviously there's room for improvement (e.g, Orca performance in Firefox can still use a big boost and accuracy check, as well as general responsiveness is not as good as the Windows counterparts with NVDA). That being said, things are a bit better and will hopefully improve steadily.

Universal access across distributions and operating systems is a
laudable goal, but how realistic is it really? Is this a situation where
we'd just be tilting at windmills? I mean if everyone could agree then
we wouldn't have so many distributions and operating systems in the
first place.

This is Linux's biggest fault. On one hand, you have 200+ distributions to pick from, and probably only 10-15 of those are actually accessible without having major issues. And that's probably a bit too positive. I don't just mean they stuck Orca in and left it at that, I mean actually having a snappy, well-put together OS that isn't going to need a boatload of configuring for the nooby. For noobs and Linux, Ubuntu and/or Vinux is really their only GUI option where they can use various Windows apps natively under Linux and gradually move into the Linux world. People will probably say we should all use Arch, but not everybody can just pick up a Linux book and start configuring their Arch system to their heart's content. As far as consoles go, Speakup is the solution, or Emacspeak, it's the GUI in all its flavors that really puts us blind and other disabled people on the brink of falling behind the pack.

Finally, I don't consider these questions to be trivial. I have a job
right now that requires I have access to Linux, I can access wireless
networks, I can use IRC, I can read email and so on. I need answers to
these questions now if I'm going to keep my job. I can't wait for these
questions to be answered or these issues to be addressed until after we
have universal access across distributions and operating systems. I just
can't wait that long.

Yes indeed. Universal access? What does this actually even mean? To me, it means not just the visually impaired user of technology, but the deaf and physically handicapped. Speech recognition under Linux is lacking or so I've heard, and there's probably other areas where Linux doesn't even scratch the surface of what needs to be done for other disabled individuals to effectively use their machines. Having universsal access will probably never happen. Nobody really likes getting involved in the nitty-gritty, and all the really awesome coders are finding big buck jobs and using Windows, or at the most, Linux as a server for websites etc.

People need to start coming to major conclusions if we want something to get done on a more global/distrowide level.  I'm on some other a11y Linux lists for various distros, and all they seem to do is bitch and moan about needing to make plans, and then argue amongst themselves about how to target accessibility in their distro, which leads to lots of quoted messages and arguments about the argument that started the initial argument about arguing about accessibility and usability, which in turn brings in another longwinded string of stuff hardly related to accessibility in the first place. In short, instead of coding, they're all just trying to figure out how to implement a11y and the result is almost no progress, at least in my eyes. Why don't people just start coding and experimenting rather than checking with the big elitists if it's OK? The community will decide in the end if their efforts are good or not.

Now, to back up my whinefest, I'm actually learning Python. It's been slow going, as I have a real life, but I'm going to eventually try helping instead of blowing hot air.

Oh, and yeah, a unified hotkey on any Linux distro to bring up accessibility options would be welcome. Now we'd just need to get the actual access there. Fluxbox, IseWM, and other obscure windowmanagers, anyone? Oh, what about Puppy Linux? Still not accessible. Why? It's too hard. Boo hoo!

Alex
On 12/08/11 10:30, Frost wrote:
    Hello all,

    Sure would be nice if some of these accessibility functions
could be added to the LSB the way the filesystem is.  We have Alt+F2 and
type orca, Mickeysoft has Windows+U...dunno what Apple has.  Because it
sure as hell be nice to press a certain keystroke and get the accessible
installation, plus it sure would save a hell of a lot of posts on, "How
do I install Ubuntu, or GRML, or Arch, or Debian, etc., etc., etc.
Universal Access isn't very universal at all with no standards from one
distribution to another, let alone from one operating system to another.

    When are we going to make universal Access universal?  When will
we be able to press a key, no matter which LSB compliant distro and get
an accessible installation, or have a screen reader/magnifier start up?
When are we going to stop monkeying around with the trivial crap and
actually do something intelligent for ourselves?  When are we
handicapped going to become part of the Linux Standards Base?

                Michael

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orca-list@gnome.org
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The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines
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The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines
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Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines
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--------------000803000203010001010002-- From hackingkk@gmail.com Fri Aug 12 19:37:50 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B49175000A for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 19:37:50 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IF15rty11y2O for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 19:37:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EEF87500E5 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 19:37:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywo32 with SMTP id 32so1779300ywo.27 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 12:37:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=xyOdRiC3UepL6XDgKTFu/21j06/NT7sTxOwv+vyj/l4=; b=D10xG0a4ioWJuz2lI5uhCntmCGXl/MuktJLwQ5B6IGRhITQDheG0UMvzDwuTk+OJeE o7Gu3mTLCYCxJxiU18EqnQONIsyos1a3+v1lq5AQvL0MWyOH8AtLzpM4kOyAs1ywRsGi 53+4ZM0z2gY2iACSmZzamQ8RTYizRsM46GiRg= Received: by 10.42.18.137 with SMTP id x9mr1325234ica.482.1313177856157; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 12:37:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (triband-mum-59.183.56.219.mtnl.net.in [59.183.56.219]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v16sm2498674ibf.42.2011.08.12.12.37.33 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 12 Aug 2011 12:37:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E4580F5.6010407@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 01:07:25 +0530 From: hackingKK User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110424 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Alex H." References: <6qC8x7PvdrWN.wLXhvwrK@smtp.gmail.com> <4E4553E5.7000708@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4E4553E5.7000708@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] pdf X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 19:37:50 -0000 Let's see what GNUPDF does when it comes out. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 12/08/11 21:55, Alex H. wrote: > So the original question is, is there any plan to make a non-crappy > PDF reader that's accessible? I do the convert to TXT or HTML thing, > but that's just another step or two that I really shouldn't have to > do. It wastes time and these days, PDF's are everywhere! > > Alex > > On 8/12/2011 1:14 PM, kyle4jesus@gmail.com wrote: >> The best way I've found to read a PDF file is to convert it to plain >> text using pdftotext, which I believe is in the popler-utils package. >> Unfortunately, there seems to be nothing that works correctly with >> Orca to read the file without converting it. >> ~Kyle >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at >> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Netiquette Guidelines are at >> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > From kd7cyu@yahoo.com Fri Aug 12 23:14:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66FDD75000A for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 23:14:15 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.632 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.632 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD=1.63, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1ksLQyrrg7pz for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 23:14:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sh77.surpasshosting.com (sh77.surpasshosting.com [72.29.75.145]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD52E75005F for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 23:14:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-76-121-69-115.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([76.121.69.115]:32782 helo=tom-laptop.local) by sh77.surpasshosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qs0vR-000753-74; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 19:14:01 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 16:13:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Masterson X-X-Sender: kd7cyu@tom-laptop To: Jason White In-Reply-To: <20110812024730.GA18116@jdc.jasonjgw.net> Message-ID: References: <20110808231521.GA3685@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E40EAC5.8020101@gmail.com> <20110809224203.GA4629@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E420285.8080305@gmail.com> <20110810043306.GA29827@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E42B809.8000400@gmail.com> <20110810210929.GA3368@strigy.yelavich.home> <20110810224821.GA29420@strigy.yelavich.home> <20110812024730.GA18116@jdc.jasonjgw.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sh77.surpasshosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - yahoo.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Indicators [was "Re: Connecting to a wireless network"] X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 23:14:15 -0000 Thanks for reminding me that metacity or compiz would show up in ps. I use ps all the time just not for looking for that. :) I had already read the stuff on the web on how to change managers in Ubuntu it just did not look like it had worked. Now I have used ps and found that both my computers are running metacity. on one the windows-m sequence works on the other it does not. Still not sure where to look for the difference that is causing that behavior. Tom On Fri, 12 Aug 2011, Jason White wrote: > Tom Masterson wrote: > >> So that leads to two questions: >> >> 1. How do I tell for sure which manager it is using? > > Have you investigated this with the ps command? >> >> 2. How do I change manager if changing the login settings does not work? > > You could try removing the package, I suppose, but that might not lead to the > desired result depending on how your distribution handles window managers and > how the package dependencies are set up. > > You could also search the Web; there should be instructions for your > distribution on how to change window managers. > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > From jason@jasonjgw.net Fri Aug 12 23:36:03 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49A9575005F for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 23:36:03 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.55 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, KHOP_DYNAMIC=0.001, RCVD_IN_BRBL_LASTEXT=1.449] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8kOVB64kw7jQ for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 23:36:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from jdc.jasonjgw.net (ppp198-218.static.internode.on.net [59.167.198.218]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3406875000A for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 23:35:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by jdc.jasonjgw.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id EDBD31802EB6A; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 09:35:49 +1000 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=jasonjgw.net; s=mail; t=1313192149; bh=uA0YHs/fiosNWJyRwX1nluqWJCuTmRuh91k2Ct0poUg=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:In-Reply-To; b=FykYsIqOOqti5KUE46uAH3e/DH16OwBRGdjjCf8B7UDSVqHe5ZMUR7ZJnibZDspwY aIvvXeiLdVj9OFNGRem4YYrAy4rZlClua/PsTSDXD2yhyqMJ0+yjNN91AEIAve0Jw2 pBvbV/75NeKfaZdYy7cPnBca+8DDxQds8QufrmEQ= Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 09:35:49 +1000 From: Jason White To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110812233549.GA6235@jdc.jasonjgw.net> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <0l8mCQVKdnDH.JKkZHt3s@smtp.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <0l8mCQVKdnDH.JKkZHt3s@smtp.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] pdf X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 23:36:03 -0000 kyle4jesus@gmail.com wrote: > I've been hearing about Evince accessibility for about 2 years. I'm not > holding my breath, although it will be nice to have. Mozilla are working on a PDF renderer written entirely in Javascript. It would be a good project for someone to extend this to add support for tagged PDF and to provide the option of an accessible version of the document. git clone git://github.com/andreasgal/pdf.js.git It runs inside a browser - no plug-in required, of course, and it's still in early development. From znvyyvfgf@gmail.com Sat Aug 13 02:05:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFC5F75000B for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 02:05:00 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nD7SvMCgOyov for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 02:04:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B098975000A for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 02:04:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyd10 with SMTP id 10so3467676gyd.27 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 19:04:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=krx0NOFUDaeUstpCleAjPXq+1DAfKO/lDsCY2IP713o=; b=ci+yD6Ho91ZePPPoAc1p8JvFTBnsR47O7ZkvTZ5TyalqnnzlBb+4CHiFACSL2R/Vvm 5NMaPJYyr9CDS9LZFuoTDXxZJdSR4ijzZmlbuqP/m/9wXMnFzHS8NE2f/5OyTuHxqr9v 6shAxwGUxcM92jAKR+uqA30zWXNsi/kjqWgVg= Received: by 10.91.133.3 with SMTP id k3mr1677699agn.44.1313201088765; Fri, 12 Aug 2011 19:04:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (c-76-127-93-92.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [76.127.93.92]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j45sm718827yhe.64.2011.08.12.19.04.47 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 12 Aug 2011 19:04:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 19:09:04 -0700 From: Frost To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110813020904.GA32496@rivensight.dyndns.org> References: <20110808231521.GA3685@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E40EAC5.8020101@gmail.com> <20110809224203.GA4629@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E420285.8080305@gmail.com> <20110810043306.GA29827@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E42B809.8000400@gmail.com> <20110810210929.GA3368@strigy.yelavich.home> <20110812153037.GA12701@rivensight.dyndns.org> <4E456674.4080703@gmail.com> <4E456C4C.9080300@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4E456C4C.9080300@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Universal access [was "Re: Indicators [was "Re: Connecting to a wireless network"]"] X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 02:05:00 -0000 On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 02:09:16PM -0400, Alex H. wrote: > This is Linux's biggest fault. On one hand, you have 200+ > distributions to pick from, and probably only 10-15 of those are > actually accessible without having major issues. Which was why I suggested putting guidelines in the Linux Standards Base, which most distributions follow. If we can decide on where binaries are kept, where man pages are stored, and what the /etc directory is for, then we should be able to decide what key combination(s) start accessibility functions, and how to boot up an accessible linux installation, and which keystrokes will unmute/raise/lower the sound volume. It's either establishing standards we want to see, or keep having to answer the same questions again and again, when all the commercial operating systems are "so much better." We're actually ahead of the game where Microsoft is concerned. It may have Narrator, but you can't access the web with it to get a better screen reader. At least some form of accessibility comes with most of the popular linux distributions now. Michael From deedra@the-brannons.com Sat Aug 13 21:01:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5CEB75012B for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 21:01:28 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aB7IxcyFFx6f for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 21:01:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hurricane.the-brannons.com (cbrannon.xen.prgmr.com [64.62.188.119]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AC0A75006A for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 21:01:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.68] (99-177-240-11.lightspeed.moblal.sbcglobal.net [99.177.240.11]) by hurricane.the-brannons.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E80BDA35C1 for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 16:01:09 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4E46E62A.8080805@the-brannons.com> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 16:01:30 -0500 From: Deedra Waters User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110628 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] thunderbird and the lightning addon X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 21:01:29 -0000 Do any of you know if this calendar addon is accessible? Trying to figure out how to install the thing and the install button is greyed, and i dont see how to install it even if it's listed any help please? From deedra@the-brannons.com Sat Aug 13 21:31:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C38A2750264 for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 21:31:05 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RmRajcAc5Z+s for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 21:31:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hurricane.the-brannons.com (cbrannon.xen.prgmr.com [64.62.188.119]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68363750241 for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 21:30:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.68] (99-177-240-11.lightspeed.moblal.sbcglobal.net [99.177.240.11]) by hurricane.the-brannons.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 76DFFA35CA for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 16:30:47 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4E46ED1C.4080005@the-brannons.com> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 16:31:08 -0500 From: Deedra Waters User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110628 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] thunderbird lightning calendar thing, round 2 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 21:31:06 -0000 Ok, so i figured out the install thing seems that even though the button was greyed, it let me install it.... (weird) but anyway, does anyone know where this calendar is put? Is it a thunderbird thing or can i make it use the google calendar so it will sync with my android phone? From cmb1589@gmail.com Sat Aug 13 21:45:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DA96750239 for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 21:45:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.589 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.589 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1kb4TviSUxRE for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 21:45:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ww0-f46.google.com (mail-ww0-f46.google.com [74.125.82.46]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99C0F7501E0 for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 21:45:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwf27 with SMTP id 27so2548139wwf.27 for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 14:45:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type; bh=tMOpH3beMBTgq6k/NRlbGSrTCszh3fVaE6d4olG4bRA=; b=i/O7IV4QLHSEvq+rDnSaAgFcBO93pWAyDYZ0U5rjuAQyPo3b0RXWlKlb7lA//VSKl8 /v5YdXkpkh9VkQe1+IZYG0xDfOfYu3hZHOV1QhSdWlUX66aTpbE5DwHPDa4zAH6iuNXT 3RU4Y2zXHdbG9U4yQVz3MwlI3lUnB9PQB9jLM= Received: by 10.227.163.79 with SMTP id z15mr2069861wbx.86.1313271901629; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 14:45:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.4] (5ad2999d.bb.sky.com [90.210.153.157]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fh17sm933799wbb.54.2011.08.13.14.45.01 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 13 Aug 2011 14:45:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E46F05C.5090009@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:45:00 +0100 From: "C. M. Blake" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110516 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070704010101070006060506" Subject: [orca-list] Changing Pronunciation for punctuation? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: cmb1589@gmail.com List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 21:45:16 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070704010101070006060506 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I'm a fairly new Orca user. I'm running VInux 3.2.1, with Orca 3.1.2-xdesktop. I'm looking to change the way some punctuation is spoken so that it helps my efficiency using Orca with web development and programming. For example. For full stop to be read as 'dot' which I think it does already, ! to be read as 'bang' # to be read as hash only and not number < to be read as 'less' and > to be read as 'greater'. Is there any special characters I need to denote in the pronunciation table to define I wish to change the way a symbol is spoken? All advice appreciated. Regards, Craig -- *C. M. Blake *Web Project Manager Twitter: cbspace Skype: cbspace Website: http://www.cbspace.co.uk For screen reader users, cbspace is spelled c,b,s,p,a,c,e. --------------070704010101070006060506 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello,

I'm a fairly new Orca user.

I'm running VInux 3.2.1, with Orca 3.1.2-xdesktop.

I'm looking to change the way some punctuation is spoken so that it helps my efficiency using Orca with web development and programming.

For example.
For full stop to be read as 'dot' which I think it does already,
! to be read as 'bang'
# to be read as hash only and not number
< to be read as 'less'
and > to be read as 'greater'.

Is there any special characters I need to denote in the pronunciation table to define I wish to change the way a symbol is spoken?

All advice appreciated.
Regards,
Craig

--
C. M. Blake
Web Project Manager
Twitter: cbspace
Skype: cbspace
Website: http://www.cbspace.co.uk
For screen reader users, cbspace is spelled c,b,s,p,a,c,e.
--------------070704010101070006060506-- From rkcole72984@gmail.com Sat Aug 13 22:48:39 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79DD4750241 for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:48:39 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.589 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.589 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B8pEnwYPPg8t for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:48:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2574A7501E0 for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:48:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk28 with SMTP id 28so3891788gxk.27 for ; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 15:48:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type; bh=CAJj3Nop7NrGDdakucFcy6fYbEjwEJSD0tfVhDExWPc=; b=l0sn463JxWN1p+nEWFKvnxvFgl+4T31aylgFe+TdtYY11A4HZcvEPIfKtvh/1SMLQe mOYfOIdSWf1+o6ZvtB7Nk3FCkZg3xi/BRvswsAhTUDEWqhZwonoXZpq/EabmTRfGkXPe pHNEp5YkaysaGAM8188aQolzFNYUFXmO7KIq8= Received: by 10.101.121.2 with SMTP id y2mr2531479anm.113.1313275706108; Sat, 13 Aug 2011 15:48:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.143] (c-76-20-104-251.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [76.20.104.251]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm3760140and.51.2011.08.13.15.48.24 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 13 Aug 2011 15:48:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E46FF37.1090408@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 15:48:23 -0700 From: Robert Cole User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110617 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4E46ED1C.4080005@the-brannons.com> In-Reply-To: <4E46ED1C.4080005@the-brannons.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070806010903080902070405" Subject: Re: [orca-list] thunderbird lightning calendar thing, round 2 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:48:39 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070806010903080902070405 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello. It appears that if you you use Ubuntu you can install Lightning either via the Software Center or from a terminal by using the command: sudo apt-get install xul-ext-lightning Once it is installed, you will have a new menu in Thunderbird titled Events and Tasks (accessible by pressing ALT+N). Also (at least on my system), you will have a calendar pane which exists to the far right of your Thunderbird window. To open up a new tab which ist a dedicated calendar page, you can press CTRL+SHIFT+C. It appears that there is another Thunderbird extension which is basically a supplement to Lightning; this extension allows bidirectional syncing of your Google calendar, so you can manipulate it from Thunderbird. The extension is called Provider for Google Calendar, and you can find it here: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/provider-for-google-calendar/ I cannot write instructions right now on how to do this, but if you need, I can do it for you a little later. I hope that this helps you some. /Take care. On 08/13/2011 02:31 PM, Deedra Waters wrote: > Ok, so i figured out the install thing seems that even though the > button was greyed, it let me install it.... (weird) but anyway, does > anyone know where this calendar is put? Is it a thunderbird thing or > can i make it use the google calendar so it will sync with my android > phone? > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp --------------070806010903080902070405 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello.

It appears that if you you use Ubuntu you can install Lightning  either via the Software Center or from a terminal by using the command:

sudo apt-get install xul-ext-lightning

Once it is installed, you will have a new menu in Thunderbird titled Events and Tasks (accessible by pressing ALT+N).

Also (at least on my system), you will have a calendar pane which exists to the far right of your Thunderbird window. To open up a new tab which ist a dedicated calendar page, you can press CTRL+SHIFT+C.

It appears that there is another Thunderbird extension which is basically a supplement to Lightning; this extension allows bidirectional syncing of your Google calendar, so you can manipulate it from Thunderbird. The extension is called Provider for Google Calendar, and you can find it here:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/provider-for-google-calendar/

I cannot write instructions right now on how to do this, but if you need, I can do it for you a little later.

I hope that this helps you some.

/Take care.



On 08/13/2011 02:31 PM, Deedra Waters wrote:
Ok, so i figured out the install thing seems that even though the button was greyed, it let me install it.... (weird) but anyway, does anyone know where this calendar is put? Is it a thunderbird thing or can i make it use the google calendar so it will sync with my android phone?

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--------------070806010903080902070405-- From aerospace1028@hotmail.com Sun Aug 14 15:44:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34452750070 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 15:44:05 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.87 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.87 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.071, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZeTDiRbzODUM for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 15:44:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from blu0-omc2-s23.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s23.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.98]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BE08750006 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 15:43:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BLU163-W37 ([65.55.111.72]) by blu0-omc2-s23.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sun, 14 Aug 2011 08:43:51 -0700 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_9a24316c-b252-4d0c-a3fd-91207813eb13_" X-Originating-IP: [69.161.127.165] From: To: Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:43:51 -0400 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Aug 2011 15:43:51.0290 (UTC) FILETIME=[F70795A0:01CC5A98] Subject: Re: [orca-list] Changing Pronunciation for punctuation? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 15:44:05 -0000 --_9a24316c-b252-4d0c-a3fd-91207813eb13_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm not sure it can be done through the pronunciation page. This behavior = used to be controlled through an orca scrypt file.=20 =20 Check if you have a file ~/.local/share/orca/orca-customizations.py if it d= oesn't exist you can creat it.=20 There used to be some information on the orca wiki about the orca-customiza= tion.py file. You'd probably want to try something like the following:=20 =20 =20 try:=20 import orca.speech # contains speech routines for orca.=20 except ImportError:=20 print "sorry=2C speech could not be loaded."=20 try:=20 import orca.braille # contains orca routines for braille.=20 except ImportError:=20 print "sorry=2C braille could not be loaded."=20 # attempt to add customized speach.=20 try:=20 import orca.chnames # contains the structure linking symbols to their nam= es.=20 except ImportError:=20 print "sorry=2C chnames could not be loaded."=20 else:=20 try:=20 # redefine ! to "bang."=20 orca.chnames.chnames['!'] =3D "bang"=20 except:=20 message =3D "sorry. could not set custom speach for the bang symbol (!= )."=20 try:=20 orca.speech.speak(message)=20 orca.braille.displayMessage(message)=20 except:=20 print message=20 try:=20 # define # as "hash."=20 orca.chnames.chnames['#'] =3D "hash"=20 except:=20 message =3D "sorry. could not set custom speach for the hash symbol (#= )."=20 try:=20 orca.speech.speak(message)=20 orca.braille.displayMessage(message)=20 except:=20 print message=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 I coppied the relevent sections from my own orca-customizations.py file and= swapped in a couple of the examples you wanted. If you get syntax errors= =2C =20 double check the chnames.py file (I can't remember the exact path right now= =3B if you can't find it on your own=2C post back and I=2C or someone else = can take =20 a gander for the path.). If chnames doesn't work=2C I'm not sure what the = new procedure is=2C but I'd be interested.=20 =20 Hope this helps:-)=20 =20 >Message: 3=20 >Date: Sat=2C 13 Aug 2011 22:45:00 +0100=20 >From: "C. M. Blake" =20 >To: orca-list@gnome.org=20 >Subject: [orca-list] Changing Pronunciation for punctuation?=20 >Message-ID: <4E46F05C.5090009@gmail.com>=20 >Content-Type: text/plain=3B charset=3D"iso-8859-1"=3B Format=3D"flowed"=20 > =20 >Hello=2C=20 > =20 >I'm a fairly new Orca user.=20 > =20 >I'm running VInux 3.2.1=2C with Orca 3.1.2-xdesktop.=20 > =20 >I'm looking to change the way some punctuation is spoken so that it =20 >helps my efficiency using Orca with web development and programming.=20 > =20 >For example.=20 >For full stop to be read as 'dot' which I think it does already=2C=20 >! to be read as 'bang'=20 ># to be read as hash only and not number=20 >< to be read as 'less'=20 >and > to be read as 'greater'.=20 > =20 >Is there any special characters I need to denote in the pronunciation =20 >table to define I wish to change the way a symbol is spoken? = --_9a24316c-b252-4d0c-a3fd-91207813eb13_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm not sure it can be done through the pronunciation page. =3B This be= havior used to be controlled through an orca scrypt file.
 =3B
C= heck if you have a file ~/.local/share/orca/orca-customizations.py if it do= esn't exist you can creat it.
There used to be some information on the = orca wiki about the orca-customization.py file. =3B You'd probably want= to try something like the following:
 =3B
 =3B
try:
=  =3B import orca.speech # contains speech routines for orca.
except= ImportError:
 =3B print "sorry=2C speech could not be loaded." try:
 =3B import orca.braille # contains orca routines for braille= .
except ImportError:
 =3B print "sorry=2C braille could not be= loaded."
# attempt to add customized speach.
try:
 =3B imp= ort orca.chnames # contains the structure linking symbols to their names. <= br>except ImportError:
 =3B print "sorry=2C chnames could not be lo= aded."
else:
 =3B try:
# redefine ! to "bang."
 =3B=  =3B =3B orca.chnames.chnames['!'] =3D "bang"
 =3B except: =
 =3B =3B =3B message =3D "sorry. =3B could not set cust= om speach for the bang symbol (!)."
 =3B =3B =3B try:
&= nbsp=3B =3B =3B =3B =3B orca.speech.speak(message)
&nbs= p=3B =3B =3B =3B =3B orca.braille.displayMessage(message) <= br> =3B =3B =3B except:
 =3B =3B =3B =3B&nb= sp=3B print message
 =3B try:
# define # as "hash."
 = =3B =3B =3B orca.chnames.chnames['#'] =3D "hash"
 =3B excep= t:
 =3B =3B =3B message =3D "sorry. =3B could not set c= ustom speach for the hash symbol (#)."
 =3B =3B =3B try:  =3B =3B =3B =3B =3B orca.speech.speak(message)
&= nbsp=3B =3B =3B =3B =3B orca.braille.displayMessage(message= )
 =3B =3B =3B except:
 =3B =3B =3B =3B=  =3B print message
 =3B
 =3B
 =3B
 =3B
= I coppied the relevent sections from my own orca-customizations.py file and= swapped in a couple of the examples you wanted. =3B If you get syntax = errors=2C  =3B
double check the chnames.py file (I can't remember th= e exact path right now=3B if you can't find it on your own=2C post back and= I=2C or someone else can take  =3B
a gander for the path.). =3B= If chnames doesn't work=2C I'm not sure what the new procedure is=2C but I= 'd be interested.
 =3B
Hope this helps:-)
 =3B
>=3B= Message: 3
>=3BDate: Sat=2C 13 Aug 2011 22:45:00 +0100
>=3BFrom= : "C. M. Blake" <=3Bcmb1589@gmail.com>=3B
>=3BTo: orca-list@gnome= .org
>=3BSubject: [orca-list] Changing Pronunciation for punctuation?=
>=3BMessage-ID: <=3B4E46F05C.5090009@gmail.com>=3B
>=3BCon= tent-Type: text/plain=3B charset=3D"iso-8859-1"=3B Format=3D"flowed"
&g= t=3B  =3B
>=3BHello=2C
>=3B  =3B
>=3BI'm a fairly n= ew Orca user.
>=3B  =3B
>=3BI'm running VInux 3.2.1=2C with = Orca 3.1.2-xdesktop.
>=3B  =3B
>=3BI'm looking to change the= way some punctuation is spoken so that it  =3B
>=3Bhelps my effic= iency using Orca with web development and programming.
>=3B  =3B<= br>>=3BFor example.
>=3BFor full stop to be read as 'dot' which I t= hink it does already=2C
>=3B! to be read as 'bang'
>=3B# to be = read as hash only and not number
>=3B<=3B to be read as 'less'
= >=3Band >=3B to be read as 'greater'.
>=3B  =3B
>=3BIs t= here any special characters I need to denote in the pronunciation  =3B<= br>>=3Btable to define I wish to change the way a symbol is spoken? =
= --_9a24316c-b252-4d0c-a3fd-91207813eb13_-- From kd7cyu@yahoo.com Sun Aug 14 17:50:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6095B750070 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 17:50:13 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.632 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.632 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD=1.63, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3CV7mVAVKN3M for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 17:50:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from sh77.surpasshosting.com (sh77.surpasshosting.com [72.29.75.145]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EACD750006 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 17:50:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-76-121-69-115.hsd1.wa.comcast.net ([76.121.69.115]:33507 helo=tom-laptop.local) by sh77.surpasshosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qseoz-00031w-Ha; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 13:50:01 -0400 Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:49:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Masterson X-X-Sender: kd7cyu@tom-laptop To: orca-list@gnome.org, "News and discussion for NVDA (NonVisual Desktop Access), a free and open source screen reader for Microsoft Windows" Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (DEB 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sh77.surpasshosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - yahoo.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: Subject: [orca-list] Accessibility of chromium X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 17:50:13 -0000 What is the current state of accessibility of Chromium Web Browser in both windows and linux? Tom From linuxx64.bashsh@gmail.com Sun Aug 14 17:56:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BCC0750070 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 17:56:43 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id M4oTYRn5WGkL for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 17:56:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gw0-f54.google.com (mail-gw0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F0D4750006 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 17:56:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwb15 with SMTP id 15so2369886gwb.27 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:56:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=bn9qWDLc5O++d0lxBOXZJJkc1R+7+RYJQy2lbiBsfqE=; b=iyCD1SjRBCKt5KXI0oCJEB7lfnD0i9m4dv1IkN0SC68Rcb0f2g8DcLT25b0Mht9p06 ms3p/q1OUmDibTFik+c4LSxtZRvo9nRkBn15Hkwcakf6xVeVOVOOhR5WksUyhI2QWZnS gCnzaMJHeDjCKTgXKlirLEVmfOLRl7wEdFGlI= Received: by 10.91.144.7 with SMTP id w7mr3165315agn.48.1313344591291; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:56:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.68] (99-53-108-47.lightspeed.ypslmi.sbcglobal.net [99.53.108.47]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u3sm1287727ani.49.2011.08.14.10.56.30 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 14 Aug 2011 10:56:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E480C75.1040407@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 13:57:09 -0400 From: "Alex H." User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessibility of chromium X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 17:56:43 -0000 On Windows, Chromium is doing a lot better than it used to be. Almost everything seems to be working fine. With Linux, no such luck. Alex On 8/14/2011 1:49 PM, Tom Masterson wrote: > What is the current state of accessibility of Chromium Web Browser in > both windows and linux? > > Tom > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp -- Sent via Thunderbird. From dusek@brailcom.org Sun Aug 14 18:33:55 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68B05750070 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 18:33:55 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FhEaVx2OSfp1 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 18:33:52 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 922 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at menubar.gnome.org; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 18:33:51 UTC Received: from brailcom.org (brailcom.cesnet.cz [195.113.161.15]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2116750006 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 18:33:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ip-94-113-113-118.net.upcbroadband.cz ([94.113.113.118] helo=pioneer.butterfly.xx) by brailcom.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QsfGJ-00018x-O1; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 20:18:16 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Boris_Du=B9ek?= In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 20:18:09 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5CA3CBE4-16B7-4484-825E-D0CD6BB31564@brailcom.org> References: To: Tom Masterson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: "News and discussion for NVDA \(NonVisual Desktop Access\), a free and open source screen reader for Microsoft Windows" , orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessibility of chromium X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 18:33:55 -0000 14.8.2011 v 19:49, Tom Masterson: > What is the current state of accessibility of Chromium Web Browser in = both windows and linux? See this comment on Chromium's bug tracker regarding to how a Chromium = dev feels about supporting accessibility on Windows, Mac OS X and Linux: https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=3D24585#c5 The comment is a over a year old, but from what I have noticed, it is = still the approach Chromium follows. If my understanding is correct, the = reason why Chromium needs to implement all the platform-specific = accessibility over and over again even though WebKit already contains it = is because "chromium" is a separate WebKit port alongside "win", "mac" = and "gtk" ports, so it needs to reimplement platform-specific graphics = drawing, accessibility, networking and other things (just like each of = the others ports do). It cannot just pick the platform-specific work = already done in "win", "mac" and "gtk" WebKit ports, since "chromium" = itself is a separate WebKit port. Best regards, Boris= From hackingkk@gmail.com Sun Aug 14 18:34:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B040750081 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 18:34:38 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9LLsOkhzO2Wt for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 18:34:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pz0-f41.google.com (mail-pz0-f41.google.com [209.85.210.41]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C718750006 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 18:34:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk4 with SMTP id 4so2200586pzk.0 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:34:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=EvyTMCpv/qBXnwTruT8sy0g9dnm9U7qdO63hrM6fTtw=; b=Y1Rl1RBLnKzINfLv96XpVoI8WiHvn5XlGV1+oUHr2HcTEE9z4ZqcvSM9/NyAXoNn4Z P4+YswtMsQp8gD5tTaruI/2afPOu9ONXhhhTmGXmTxhx08QBnmNoFO1vZKu7QnXSd3yM d+nFZIE3kkcUV6Msgwot37D0a54a8YUzjvfoQ= Received: by 10.142.44.3 with SMTP id r3mr1432722wfr.437.1313346865740; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:34:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (triband-mum-59.183.13.14.mtnl.net.in [59.183.13.14]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f8sm3206416pbk.22.2011.08.14.11.34.23 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:34:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E481529.90901@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 00:04:17 +0530 From: hackingKK User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110424 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Alex H." References: <4E480C75.1040407@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4E480C75.1040407@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessibility of chromium X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 18:34:38 -0000 I guess there is such a lot to be done on firefox itself that we must first have at least one free web browser totally accessible in all ways. I think epiphony is coming up nicely as well. So let's first see how far we get with firefox, and I am sure things will soon be great. happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 14/08/11 23:27, Alex H. wrote: > On Windows, Chromium is doing a lot better than it used to be. Almost > everything seems to be working fine. With Linux, no such luck. > > Alex > On 8/14/2011 1:49 PM, Tom Masterson wrote: >> What is the current state of accessibility of Chromium Web Browser in >> both windows and linux? >> >> Tom >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at >> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Netiquette Guidelines are at >> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > From tamara.8024@comcast.net Sun Aug 14 22:28:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08946750081 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 22:28:06 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.932 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.932 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FREEMAIL_REPLY=1.929, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.071, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s-awFuJSgaXD for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 22:28:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.80]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6EF7750070 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 22:27:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.28]) by qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id LNSK1h0040cQ2SLA8NTq6J; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 22:27:50 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([76.115.114.82]) by omta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id LNTq1h00H1mjrCC8WNTqk1; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 22:27:51 +0000 From: Tami Kinney To: orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <4E4031A0.7050400@gmail.com> References: <1312825073.2286.78.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> <4E402221.8050005@deep.cz> <4E4031A0.7050400@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 15:27:52 -0700 Message-ID: <1313360872.2340.6.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Wireless networks [was "Re: ADRIANE Knoppix 6.7.0 have been released"] X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 22:28:06 -0000 Interesting. And I apologize for the confusion. I'm using Ubuntu 11.04 but without vinux, for now anyway. Sometimes Orca will tell me the current desktop environment is Unity; others it will tell me that it is classic gnome. The behavior of the keyboard commands, though, seems to be the same. To me, and I'm still pretty newbie, so that may not mean much. Anyway, I tried using Control + ALT + TAB and got nothing. I tried tabbing through the icons, and again got nothing. I need to use F10 to get to the same place, then use the arrow keys to move between the menu offerings and the icons for networking and so forth. I wonder if it's vinux that makes the difference? Or if when Orca announces that the desktop environment is classic gnome, that's a mistake somehow... There are some things I don't like that much about Unity for using it with Orca, so I will be looking for alternatives like vinux, once I know what I'm doing and am caught up on my work. /smile/ Tami On Mon, 2011-08-08 at 13:57 -0500, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > I don't understand the instructions below. What application are you in > when you hit F10? > > I'm running vinux 3.2.1, which is based on Ubuntu 11.04 and uses the > Gnome Classic desktop, and if I want to access a wireless network,I do > the following: > > First, I press control+alt+tab until I hear something like "bottom > expanded edge panel". I then use the tab or shift+tab keys until I get > to "NM Applet Icon". At this point, I press the space bar to open the > menu and then down arrow until I hear the network I'm interested in. > Once I hear the network I want to connect to, I just hit the enter key. > > On 08/08/11 12:51, Mgr. Janusz Chmiel wrote: > > Tami Kinney napsal(a): > >> Tom, > >> > >> If you're using the standard desktop US qwerty keyboard -- or, I believe > >> the equivalent laptop keyboard -- hit F10 to access the menu bar. You > >> can then use the arrow keys to move to the notification area to find the > >> right icon. Mine doesn't announce which notification, icon is the one > >> for networking, it just says "image," so I have to arrow down to read > >> the first menu item for a given image to make sure I'm in the right menu > >> for, say, sound or networking. Once you find the icon for networking, > >> then you can arrow through the menu items, which will include wireless > >> networks available to you, and you can find the network you want to > >> connect to. I found this process a bit confusing at first, and still > >> have to fumble around in it before I get the right connection. Once it's > >> done, you're good to go, though and can set the network you want as your > >> default connection. At the bottom of the menu you reach through the > >> notification area, there are options to edit networks and a few other > >> things. > >> > >> Sorry I can't be more specific. I'm a relative newbie, too, so still > >> haven't quite figured out a quicker way without vague fumbling. /smile/ > >> I do need to muck around with my router later on today or tomorrow, so > >> if I learn anything new and useful, I will let you know. > >> > >> Good luck! > >> > >> Tami > >> > >> On Mon, 2011-08-08 at 10:02 -0700, Tom Masterson wrote: > >>> I have Ubuntu 11.04 using classic (gnome). How do I connect to a > >>> wireless > >>> network using orca? > >>> > >>> Tom > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> orca-list mailing list > >>> orca-list@gnome.org > >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > >>> The manual is at > >>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > >>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > >>> Netiquette Guidelines are at > >>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > >>> > >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > >>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > >> _______________________________________________ > >> orca-list mailing list > >> orca-list@gnome.org > >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > >> The manual is at > >> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > >> Netiquette Guidelines are at > >> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > >> > > Dear users, > > I would like to inform You, that MR Klaus Knopper have been released > > new Knoppix version. I would like to recommend You to download Knoppix > > DVD, because You can run Gnome with Orca fully functioning. > > > > > > > -- > Christopher (CJ) > chaltain@gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From tamara.8024@comcast.net Sun Aug 14 22:40:51 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BBF2750081 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 22:40:51 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.861 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.861 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.071, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MAsAabag0akD for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 22:40:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.96]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A6D7750006 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 22:40:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.71]) by qmta09.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id LNKH1h0021Y3wxoA9Ngb2g; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 22:40:35 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([76.115.114.82]) by omta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id LNgM1h00H1mjrCC8bNgMNY; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 22:40:21 +0000 From: Tami Kinney To: orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: References: <20110808231521.GA3685@strigy.yelavich.home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 15:40:37 -0700 Message-ID: <1313361637.2556.1.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Connecting to a wireless network X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 22:40:51 -0000 So I'm using a new install, too... The other keystroke combinations do different things entirely or nothing at all when I try them... F10 does get me to the system menus, though. I'm on a laptop computer, but using a wireless desktop keyboard, so that's how I configured Orca. Don't know if that makes a difference or not. Tami On Tue, 2011-08-09 at 07:49 -0700, Tom Masterson wrote: > Hmmm very interesting. I have two different computers running Ubuntu > 11.04. On one the windows-m or windows-s work on the other it does not. > The one that it works on was an upgrade from previous versions of Ubuntu > and the one it does not work on is a new install. > > Any ideas what may be the difference that would cause it not to work on a > new install? > > Tom > > On Tue, 9 Aug 2011, Tom Masterson wrote: > > > Thanks Luke that seems to work. > > > > On a slightly unrelated note where can I go to keep abreast of accessibility > > progress with unity? > > > > Tom > > > > On Tue, 9 Aug 2011, Luke Yelavich wrote: > > > >> On Tue, Aug 09, 2011 at 03:02:24AM EST, Tom Masterson wrote: > >>> I have Ubuntu 11.04 using classic (gnome). How do I connect to a > >>> wireless network using orca? > >> > >> Press Windows key + M. You will land on a menu that is for messaging. Press > >> left arrow until you hear something related to networkng. ou should then be > >> in the network manager menu. Arrow down that menu to find the network you > >> want to connect to. > >> > >> I hope to have sed menus much more clearly indicated by Ubuntu 12.04, the > >> next LTS. > >> > >> Luke > >> _______________________________________________ > >> orca-list mailing list > >> orca-list@gnome.org > >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > >> The manual is at > >> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > >> Netiquette Guidelines are at > >> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > orca-list mailing list > > orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > > The manual is at > > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > > Netiquette Guidelines are at > > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From jason@jasonjgw.net Sun Aug 14 22:53:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F149E750088 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 22:53:25 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.692 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.692 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, KHOP_DYNAMIC=1.243, RCVD_IN_BRBL_LASTEXT=1.449] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l9EuQhmAzE2E for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 22:53:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from jdc.jasonjgw.net (ppp198-218.static.internode.on.net [59.167.198.218]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E80D1750006 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 22:53:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by jdc.jasonjgw.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9455218108A8D; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 08:53:12 +1000 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=jasonjgw.net; s=mail; t=1313362392; bh=AwVJbe/tIgBoVJ8msJGmUIFOwU7erPhPuId49n34yfU=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:In-Reply-To; b=sqejyFpuyVl/HxAHaQ67YZ8gXzYJScktMfZqsEG5PqkwzmbWAVG6+g22Py8HCCBS1 ULnHb7Uiway40j53R69I+Duj+b0qBwW3l+xiTZpJGr658YMOj8ng6asZN7jbW4Bufs aStn7dCyHRVdQmYx8wWpnCaIi9QtPIVA6XkFiU8s= Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 08:53:12 +1000 From: Jason White To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110814225312.GA5718@jdc.jasonjgw.net> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <5CA3CBE4-16B7-4484-825E-D0CD6BB31564@brailcom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <5CA3CBE4-16B7-4484-825E-D0CD6BB31564@brailcom.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessibility of chromium X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 22:53:26 -0000 Boris Dušek wrote: > 14.8.2011 v 19:49, Tom Masterson: > > > What is the current state of accessibility of Chromium Web Browser in both windows and linux? > > See this comment on Chromium's bug tracker regarding to how a Chromium dev feels about supporting accessibility on Windows, Mac OS X and Linux: > > https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=24585#c5 There is now ChromeVox, however, a speech extension written entirely in Javascript. With some effort, I am sure this can be made to work well under Linux. From tamara.8024@comcast.net Sun Aug 14 23:07:22 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9E00750088 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 23:07:22 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.861 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.861 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.071, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uNu+ySkb2SMX for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 23:07:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.243]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD0FB750070 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 23:07:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.92]) by qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id LNyv1h0031zF43QADP75Pj; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 23:07:05 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([76.115.114.82]) by omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id LP6L1h0031mjrCC8kP6L3w; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 23:06:21 +0000 From: Tami Kinney To: orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <4E457B41.8050603@gmail.com> References: <20110808231521.GA3685@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E40EAC5.8020101@gmail.com> <20110809224203.GA4629@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E420285.8080305@gmail.com> <20110810043306.GA29827@strigy.yelavich.home> <4E42B809.8000400@gmail.com> <20110810210929.GA3368@strigy.yelavich.home> <20110812153037.GA12701@rivensight.dyndns.org> <4E456674.4080703@gmail.com> <4E456C4C.9080300@gmail.com> <4E4574E5.5070907@gmail.com> <4E4576CA.3060107@gmail.com> <4E457B41.8050603@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 16:07:06 -0700 Message-ID: <1313363226.2556.4.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Universal access [was "Re: Indicators [was "Re: Connecting to a wireless network"]"] X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 23:07:22 -0000 It's great to hear that others are in the same position. Well, except for the frustrations with trying to get past the basics so we can contribute to the next generations of improvements. Do either of you -- or anyone -- use Orca with only speech for programming? I've been losing vision for quite a while now and am happy to say good-bye to the headaches from supplementing audio with my eyes, but... I'm wondering how people get past the confusing pronunciation of code or even directories and paths? Practicing when I have time, but it makes me crazy. Tami On Fri, 2011-08-12 at 12:13 -0700, Robert Cole wrote: > I agree with you there. I took a class in which Python was the main > language taught, but the problem is that all I learned to do was to > create a program which takes in a birthday and gives a person a > personality characteristic about himself/herself according to some > formulas. Unfortunately, I have taken classes in C++ as well, but it was > basically the same--creating programs which use minimal skills, and > basically do something very, very simple like printing diamond shapes > made of asterisks on the screen. > > I read these posts on the Orca list as well as the Ubuntu Accessibility > list, and I just feel awful because I hardly know a thing. I have a > little bit of vision which allows me to use the eZoom plugin in Compiz, > but I don't think that it is going to last, and I definitely do not plan > on switching back to Windows. I just wish that there was some way that I > could help, so long as I would have the time to do so. > > In any case, thanks for the links. > > On 08/12/2011 11:54 AM, Alex H. wrote: > > Hi, > > > > It's sort of little of this little of that, the Python Tutorial at > > python.org is a good read, but it does go into planet Esoterica as you > > go and it takes quite a while to really get what is going on. Also, > > http://www.sthurlow.com/python/ is a beginner's point of view on > > Python. It starts out stupidly simple but at least it's harder to get > > lost that way. > > > > I hit the wall when it comes to actually....using it. Sure it's good > > to be able to write abstract tidbits of code to make math easier on > > yourself, but what about doing something useful? This is where the > > resources are lacking. > > > > Alex > > > > On 8/12/2011 2:45 PM, Robert Cole wrote: > >> I know that this is slightly off-topic, and I apologize for it, but > >> what resources are you using to learn Python, Alex? I have a book > >> which I ordered online for beginning Python, but I was curious as to > >> what you are using? Thank you. > >> > >> On 08/12/2011 11:09 AM, Alex H. wrote: > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> On 8/12/2011 1:44 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > >>>> All laudable goals, but let's not lose sight of the gains we've also > >>>> made. I switched from Windows to Linux a few months ago, thanks to the > >>>> vinux distribution. I tried doing this several times over the last > >>>> decade, but I wasn't successful until just now. I think this says a > >>>> lot > >>>> about how far the state of Linux accessibility has come. > >>>> > >>> Agree. I'm not using Linux as my main OS, but it has certainly > >>> become less annoying to use as of late. Before, I was die-hard CLI. > >>> Now I can actually use the GNOME environment without cringing at how > >>> laggy Orca is in Firefox and huge lists of files. Obviously there's > >>> room for improvement (e.g, Orca performance in Firefox can still use > >>> a big boost and accuracy check, as well as general responsiveness is > >>> not as good as the Windows counterparts with NVDA). That being said, > >>> things are a bit better and will hopefully improve steadily. > >>> > >>>> Universal access across distributions and operating systems is a > >>>> laudable goal, but how realistic is it really? Is this a situation > >>>> where > >>>> we'd just be tilting at windmills? I mean if everyone could agree then > >>>> we wouldn't have so many distributions and operating systems in the > >>>> first place. > >>>> > >>> This is Linux's biggest fault. On one hand, you have 200+ > >>> distributions to pick from, and probably only 10-15 of those are > >>> actually accessible without having major issues. And that's probably > >>> a bit too positive. I don't just mean they stuck Orca in and left it > >>> at that, I mean actually having a snappy, well-put together OS that > >>> isn't going to need a boatload of configuring for the nooby. For > >>> noobs and Linux, Ubuntu and/or Vinux is really their only GUI option > >>> where they can use various Windows apps natively under Linux and > >>> gradually move into the Linux world. People will probably say we > >>> should all use Arch, but not everybody can just pick up a Linux book > >>> and start configuring their Arch system to their heart's content. As > >>> far as consoles go, Speakup is the solution, or Emacspeak, it's the > >>> GUI in all its flavors that really puts us blind and other disabled > >>> people on the brink of falling behind the pack. > >>> > >>>> Finally, I don't consider these questions to be trivial. I have a job > >>>> right now that requires I have access to Linux, I can access wireless > >>>> networks, I can use IRC, I can read email and so on. I need answers to > >>>> these questions now if I'm going to keep my job. I can't wait for > >>>> these > >>>> questions to be answered or these issues to be addressed until > >>>> after we > >>>> have universal access across distributions and operating systems. I > >>>> just > >>>> can't wait that long. > >>>> > >>> Yes indeed. Universal access? What does this actually even mean? To > >>> me, it means not just the visually impaired user of technology, but > >>> the deaf and physically handicapped. Speech recognition under Linux > >>> is lacking or so I've heard, and there's probably other areas where > >>> Linux doesn't even scratch the surface of what needs to be done for > >>> other disabled individuals to effectively use their machines. Having > >>> universsal access will probably never happen. Nobody really likes > >>> getting involved in the nitty-gritty, and all the really awesome > >>> coders are finding big buck jobs and using Windows, or at the most, > >>> Linux as a server for websites etc. > >>> > >>> People need to start coming to major conclusions if we want > >>> something to get done on a more global/distrowide level. I'm on > >>> some other a11y Linux lists for various distros, and all they seem > >>> to do is bitch and moan about needing to make plans, and then argue > >>> amongst themselves about how to target accessibility in their > >>> distro, which leads to lots of quoted messages and arguments about > >>> the argument that started the initial argument about arguing about > >>> accessibility and usability, which in turn brings in another > >>> longwinded string of stuff hardly related to accessibility in the > >>> first place. In short, instead of coding, they're all just trying to > >>> figure out how to implement a11y and the result is almost no > >>> progress, at least in my eyes. Why don't people just start coding > >>> and experimenting rather than checking with the big elitists if it's > >>> OK? The community will decide in the end if their efforts are good > >>> or not. > >>> > >>> Now, to back up my whinefest, I'm actually learning Python. It's > >>> been slow going, as I have a real life, but I'm going to eventually > >>> try helping instead of blowing hot air. > >>> > >>> Oh, and yeah, a unified hotkey on any Linux distro to bring up > >>> accessibility options would be welcome. Now we'd just need to get > >>> the actual access there. Fluxbox, IseWM, and other obscure > >>> windowmanagers, anyone? Oh, what about Puppy Linux? Still not > >>> accessible. Why? It's too hard. Boo hoo! > >>> > >>> Alex > >>>> On 12/08/11 10:30, Frost wrote: > >>>>> Hello all, > >>>>> > >>>>> Sure would be nice if some of these accessibility functions > >>>>> could be added to the LSB the way the filesystem is. We have > >>>>> Alt+F2 and > >>>>> type orca, Mickeysoft has Windows+U...dunno what Apple has. > >>>>> Because it > >>>>> sure as hell be nice to press a certain keystroke and get the > >>>>> accessible > >>>>> installation, plus it sure would save a hell of a lot of posts on, > >>>>> "How > >>>>> do I install Ubuntu, or GRML, or Arch, or Debian, etc., etc., etc. > >>>>> Universal Access isn't very universal at all with no standards > >>>>> from one > >>>>> distribution to another, let alone from one operating system to > >>>>> another. > >>>>> > >>>>> When are we going to make universal Access universal? When will > >>>>> we be able to press a key, no matter which LSB compliant distro > >>>>> and get > >>>>> an accessible installation, or have a screen reader/magnifier > >>>>> start up? > >>>>> When are we going to stop monkeying around with the trivial crap and > >>>>> actually do something intelligent for ourselves? When are we > >>>>> handicapped going to become part of the Linux Standards Base? > >>>>> > >>>>> Michael > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> orca-list mailing list > >>>>> orca-list@gnome.org > >>>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >>>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > >>>>> The manual is at > >>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > >>>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > >>>>> Netiquette Guidelines are at > >>>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > >>>>> > >>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > >>>>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> orca-list mailing list > >> orca-list@gnome.org > >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > >> The manual is at > >> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > >> Netiquette Guidelines are at > >> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > > > > > -- > > Sent via Thunderbird. > > _______________________________________________ > > orca-list mailing list > > orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > > The manual is at > > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > > Netiquette Guidelines are at > > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From mj@mjw.se Mon Aug 15 00:04:42 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F902750070 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 00:04:42 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.894 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.894 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.071, TW_DR=0.077] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X+VIZtbx0EFq for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 00:04:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mjw.se (mjw.se [88.80.26.59]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DA17750006 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 00:04:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [85.226.23.63] ([85.226.23.63]) by mjw.se (IceWarp 10.2.1 (2010-11-29) RHEL5) with ASMTP id XYS00126 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 20:04:26 -0400 From: mattias To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 02:04:27 +0200 Message-ID: <1313366667.6420.3.camel@mj> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.30.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] bluetooth headphone X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 00:04:42 -0000 i just get my senheiser mm400 (spelling) work perfect with debian 6.0 all work fine but not a game soundrts and gnome-speech bad! From cmb1589@gmail.com Mon Aug 15 02:49:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FEB8750070 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 02:49:38 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ROm-JUd6vTM9 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 02:49:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6592B750006 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 02:49:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyh15 with SMTP id 15so2154974wyh.27 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 19:49:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:reply-to:to:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version :x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; bh=CYVMF3xXKn2lGL1NL0VrFrJgUPc+uFv7jIzB9FsZ/YA=; b=ALaBRrODLNzmAFW4qJ9qcEfXChIiEEZ9CHmokFnOro+ddt8O4MumCsfR9ugNlZODQr EhrQabEJjtieWYIV+jnPM2mBMtjINwuAMIw7Ajg3KW8MFwj0skq3c3t6D0dOSy3phN1F 9T4pbqBZF8y88AeIACaYQYSrQK/zzYIbDkJDg= Received: by 10.227.120.199 with SMTP id e7mr714055wbr.63.1313376565833; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 19:49:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.4] (5ad2999d.bb.sky.com [90.210.153.157]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 8sm4211480wbx.34.2011.08.14.19.49.25 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 14 Aug 2011 19:49:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Blake To: orca-list Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 03:49:23 +0100 Message-ID: <1313376563.3154.5.camel@ubuntu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Alternative to Ubuntu? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: cmb1589@gmail.com List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 02:49:38 -0000 Hello all, I'm pretty fed up of the way Ubuntu is in 11.04, even on the classic Gnome. I'm looking for a distribution of Linux that is accessible by Orca but also isn't so graphically mind-bogglingly stupid. Pretty sick of Ubuntu and Windows for their graphics, and at least Apple make a good go at making their operating system accessible. Sigh. Any help please? How about Fedora? Wouldn't mind going Red Hat since I'm into web development. Regards, Craig -- C. M. Blake Web Project Manager Twitter: cbspace Skype: cbspace MSN: cb@cbspace.co.uk Web: cbspace.co.uk For screen reader users, cbspace is spelt c,b,s,p,a,c,e. From jason@jasonjgw.net Mon Aug 15 03:10:03 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95AB9750070 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 03:10:03 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.692 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.692 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, KHOP_DYNAMIC=1.243, RCVD_IN_BRBL_LASTEXT=1.449] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qbJVKQhNHs2W for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 03:10:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from jdc.jasonjgw.net (ppp198-218.static.internode.on.net [59.167.198.218]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99A7E750006 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 03:09:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by jdc.jasonjgw.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1EBA01805C33A; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:09:50 +1000 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=jasonjgw.net; s=mail; t=1313377790; bh=iijFiXulmHsMLmhx95SiHdXvylRHq76J0hj2eg39vNA=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:In-Reply-To; b=po3VbEes2lK4HDd5kJBPxM/jhYbKvEttG1oDawNWxiprnxkx5x60y6gSH9KCsGmD5 hP5veyk0bmEb2uTox8ePqTKzTW1BU7rSE9JupPCfTBcEI33abFpHEsbJXo/vX5WobM 4hsCEOYzG2hR+GIAwkUAOTPbLllVefiy45EFnS10= Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:09:50 +1000 From: Jason White To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110815030950.GA8904@jdc.jasonjgw.net> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <1313376563.3154.5.camel@ubuntu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1313376563.3154.5.camel@ubuntu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Alternative to Ubuntu? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 03:10:03 -0000 Craig Blake wrote: > Any help please? How about Fedora? Wouldn't mind going Red Hat since I'm > into web development. There are people who use it with (among other tools) Orca, some of whom subscribe to this mailing list. Other distributions mentioned frequently are Debian (my personal choice) and Arch Linux. OpenSuse isn't mentioned as often, but Suse developers have contributed to accessibility, which may or may not be indicative of how accessible their distribution is by default. Remember, it's Linux: you can modify it, install and remove packages, configure software etc., until it does what you want. The choice of distribution is really a question of which one gives you the shortest path to where you want to go. They all have different policies and priorities. In my experience, it's mostly beginners or near beginners who go distribution shopping; experienced users tend to settle on one or two that they like and customize the configuration according to their preferences, switching only when there is a significant gain to be made. From kyle4jesus@gmail.com Mon Aug 15 03:13:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37509750070 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 03:13:56 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.919 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.919 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=0.77, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ofnXyjO5KNPP for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 03:13:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DDD9750006 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 03:13:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk28 with SMTP id 28so4292789gxk.27 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 20:13:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:reply-to:to:subject:date:message-id:x-mailer:mime-version :content-language:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=DgthqelqLTUHB8kpEPIzRkNixwoXLwti2Z8SoxV96Z0=; b=wJV89WitIQyZIyWKUu3V3N/Kok8LwD2Ej7seSA829/t+ITm9P0zTShozSCXx/vpmb+ 7QEcmjXOenWN8zP40qahB2Z4ECc10W7gA4YRTlpML3eBphFfyupu+TnzY6+A1UywvJQ6 TQxkDO347lTzwriarTAcvpfeQLhSVGD0xTEaw= Received: by 10.236.178.9 with SMTP id e9mr10257326yhm.185.1313378023203; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 20:13:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [26.225.105.156] (mcf2c36d0.tmodns.net [208.54.44.207]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f4sm4591633yhn.41.2011.08.14.20.13.39 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 14 Aug 2011 20:13:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "Kyle" To: orca-list@gnome.org Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 23:13:36 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: EPOC Email Version 2.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: i-default Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [orca-list] Alternative to Ubuntu? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Kyle List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 03:13:56 -0000 I like Arch Linux. Http://www.archlinux.Org There is a talking installer available from the wiki. It starts with a = minimal text console installation, and you can then install any packages = you like, including GNOME. It's nearly the most customizable distro = available, and you never have to install anything you don't want just = because it's what the distro developers think most people want. This is = nothing against Ubuntu. I definitely believe there's a place for it. I just = wanted better flexibility, so I tried Arch, and I'm not looking back. ~Kyle Sent from my Wishdroid! :) From cmb1589@gmail.com Mon Aug 15 04:25:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DECE750079 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 04:25:38 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nAneBYryXHQj for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 04:25:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ww0-f46.google.com (mail-ww0-f46.google.com [74.125.82.46]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ACA2750006 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 04:25:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwf27 with SMTP id 27so2945775wwf.27 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 21:25:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:reply-to:to:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date :message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; bh=JfpHGkUFfcOdsiCXDxWQhIFDYmV7782do/ZqB8O98CQ=; b=ARzFdTqbfZ5k5mLP/TsASC0Py6BNGynivBPRta9DHGXDVVm/EKSP3tNXG2+9eSWG+j VQ6k0hopNn9QGMPkxBV8Al/T6dxVRf0Xw//Wl2VmNfU+HAZ+XexHW4l78zPMPSUK5mue CqcB2a3/ICLLDpvs//bB0xhZv4rCAm/RkR9Lg= Received: by 10.227.195.8 with SMTP id ea8mr3157252wbb.91.1313382324580; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 21:25:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.4] (5ad2999d.bb.sky.com [90.210.153.157]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ek1sm1658757wbb.45.2011.08.14.21.25.24 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 14 Aug 2011 21:25:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Blake To: orca-list In-Reply-To: <4E4899DA.8040206@frontiernet.net> References: <1313376563.3154.5.camel@ubuntu> <4E4899DA.8040206@frontiernet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 05:25:21 +0100 Message-ID: <1313382321.3677.50.camel@ubuntu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Alternative to Ubuntu? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: cmb1589@gmail.com List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 04:25:38 -0000 Jason, Thanks, I agree on the type of person who shops for distribution. I'd put myself as an experienced person, but looking for 1 or 2 different distributions to finally sit comfortably in, and whether Orca works well in them. And I've been running Ubuntu and Vinux which are practically the same but one modded for VI for almost 2 years now. Well overall in my search Debian has popped out more so than others. Any idea about Fedora or CentOS - the Red Hat side? and if there's anything more you could tell me about Debian, from the Orca point of view and experience? Thanks Craig On Mon, 2011-08-15 at 00:00 -0400, Herzog wrote: > so i like vinux...wil herzog > > On 8/14/2011 10:49 PM, Craig Blake wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > I'm pretty fed up of the way Ubuntu is in 11.04, even on the classic > > Gnome. > > > > I'm looking for a distribution of Linux that is accessible by Orca but > > also isn't so graphically mind-bogglingly stupid. > > > > Pretty sick of Ubuntu and Windows for their graphics, and at least Apple > > make a good go at making their operating system accessible. Sigh. > > > > Any help please? How about Fedora? Wouldn't mind going Red Hat since I'm > > into web development. > > > > Regards, > > Craig > > > > > > -- C. M. Blake Web Project Manager Twitter: cbspace Skype: cbspace > > MSN: cb@cbspace.co.uk Web: cbspace.co.uk For screen reader users, > > cbspace is spelt c,b,s,p,a,c,e. > > _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing list > > orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The > > manual is at > > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > > Netiquette Guidelines are at > > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out > > how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp ----- No virus > > found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1391 > > / Virus Database: 1520/3834 - Release Date: 08/14/11 From jason@jasonjgw.net Mon Aug 15 04:41:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63097750079 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 04:41:56 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.692 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.692 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, KHOP_DYNAMIC=1.243, RCVD_IN_BRBL_LASTEXT=1.449] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c9hseztKuyQ0 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 04:41:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from jdc.jasonjgw.net (ppp198-218.static.internode.on.net [59.167.198.218]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 679AD750006 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 04:41:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by jdc.jasonjgw.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 408A418108A90; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 14:41:43 +1000 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=jasonjgw.net; s=mail; t=1313383303; bh=PQmqsbgJNlxQsJ86Gn6oT9NUUZBDoKbA6N/MeRS+1+I=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:In-Reply-To; b=XvtvRxElsWkrWG0+mkcONLV5hFhe+cLvIVK8M8pZgD53oeMVgM6OAuKfWW7dxWQWt pJnCHZhsgr/UXPcZv3Gm3/ucqT/vnYxTDM/pwHux10/7gIofPObXpbkyyANnaPX36p vEKcB8/8S0OcvvIztIk5ox7htiMGdqy/qI4wghpI= Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 14:41:43 +1000 From: Jason White To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110815044143.GA11184@jdc.jasonjgw.net> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <1313376563.3154.5.camel@ubuntu> <4E4899DA.8040206@frontiernet.net> <1313382321.3677.50.camel@ubuntu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1313382321.3677.50.camel@ubuntu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Alternative to Ubuntu? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 04:41:56 -0000 Craig Blake wrote: > Well overall in my search Debian has popped out more so than others. > > Any idea about Fedora or CentOS - the Red Hat side? and if there's > anything more you could tell me about Debian, from the Orca point of > view and experience? Fedora moved to Gnome 3 as of their latest release, including AT-SPI 2, if I recall correctly. I don't run Fedora; I'm only basing this on what I've read elsewhere. Thus if you want to delay the move to Gnome 3, you would choose Fedora 14. I run Debian on both my desktop and laptop systems. I would suggest running either the testing or unstable distributions of Debian to keep up with software upgrades, including Orca upgrades. Debian Experimental has Orca 3.0.4, which I expect will move into the Unstable and thereafter the testing distribution at some point. Packages for AT-SPI 2 are under development and already available in experimental for people who want to participate in finding and fixing bugs. I installed the version of Orca currently in experimental, which has been reliable so far. However, I do 99% of my work from the Linux console (i.e., the shell, Emacs, console-based tools etc.), so I don't use Orca frequently - it's mostly there to provide Web access. From cmb1589@gmail.com Mon Aug 15 04:47:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38F38750079 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 04:47:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Fe9EZ-OxDO1L for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 04:47:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ww0-f46.google.com (mail-ww0-f46.google.com [74.125.82.46]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA6D2750006 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 04:47:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwf27 with SMTP id 27so2950281wwf.27 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 21:47:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:reply-to:to:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date :message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; bh=n/+OeTtk6ObuzYxk2dlsq3RV0L7JoTPYzJYKh4wVwdQ=; b=upq29Ldeohgv/WC9wEormuCgxWla5zF9K0JjrsauLLzJq93C/tZOs4SkfvZmE1dZ1z I4uikbS2EPWaaHiL/M+TUm4o5XgCJQCecH0h1q12osNdBp13cF6/fFl52kliMQhukuHz L/VPx5NC5ndgVd0//qaEEGNP0gME0xMocIVXQ= Received: by 10.216.60.8 with SMTP id t8mr1777278wec.57.1313383651063; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 21:47:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.4] (5ad2999d.bb.sky.com [90.210.153.157]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a43sm3394309wed.4.2011.08.14.21.47.30 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 14 Aug 2011 21:47:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Blake To: orca-list In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 05:47:27 +0100 Message-ID: <1313383647.3677.59.camel@ubuntu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Alternative to Ubuntu? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: cmb1589@gmail.com List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 04:47:44 -0000 Kyle, Nice to hear you're on Arch, and from your description an so long as they put espeakup up or whatever for the installation that would be great. I am looking for a lightweight, but robust, and would be good for web development, server administration, and programming too. I've marked Fedora, Debian and I might just mark Arch down too. How's things with Orca in Arch, assuming you use it as a screen reader and not it's magnifier? End of the day, after a few more suggestion, if any more come through, I can also virtual machine these and test out what I think will be great for me. Thanks to all, Craig -- C. M. Blake Web Project Manager Twitter: cbspace Skype: cbspace MSN: cb@cbspace.co.uk Web: cbspace.co.uk For screen reader users, cbspace is spelt c,b,s,p,a,c,e. On Sun, 2011-08-14 at 23:13 -0500, Kyle wrote: > I like Arch Linux. > Http://www.archlinux.Org > There is a talking installer available from the wiki. It starts with a minimal text console installation, and you can then install any packages you like, including GNOME. It's nearly the most customizable distro available, and you never have to install anything you don't want just because it's what the distro developers think most people want. This is nothing against Ubuntu. I definitely believe there's a place for it. I just wanted better flexibility, so I tried Arch, and I'm not looking back. > ~Kyle > Sent from my Wishdroid! :) > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From kyle4jesus@gmail.com Mon Aug 15 05:23:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 855DE75007E for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 05:23:38 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xlnkvCIpDg0K for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 05:23:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9905E750079 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 05:23:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywo32 with SMTP id 32so2848046ywo.27 for ; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 22:23:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:reply-to:to:subject:date:message-id:x-mailer:mime-version :content-language:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=E8WnYzT1/3PeIUdHBQD7felIG+gdkbn3+hAtikbwe3s=; b=QQcMVI+T24MMLpKQM+4f+DN3mWzcy/SJnO80ikWnUUG5NP8W2X3hr109fT7xKnPKsd yHuojJt89pA+379H3LBGIETJIf52PSsFhBygz/Qq9vstGyIPDNuwZwlNo5WsGRr732dC 4eJruCRJEDYMFhkHbZf6Q2Sfe+QgTnKUkiUoU= Received: by 10.236.184.169 with SMTP id s29mr10975715yhm.62.1313385806799; Sun, 14 Aug 2011 22:23:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [26.224.201.224] (m9e2c36d0.tmodns.net [208.54.44.158]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f4sm3433274yhn.55.2011.08.14.22.23.22 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 14 Aug 2011 22:23:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "Kyle" To: orca-list@gnome.org Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 01:23:18 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: EPOC Email Version 2.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: i-default Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [orca-list] Alternative to Ubuntu? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Kyle List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 05:23:38 -0000 The talking installer for Arch does come with Speakup. Installation, = although it is rather involved, because you're basically starting from = scratch, is fairly straightforward, and there's a very nice audio tutorial = on the wiki page for the talking installer to get you started. Sorry I = don't have the direct link to the image or its wiki page handy at the = moment. Perhaps someone else here can send it to you, as it is a modified = installer rather than the official image available from the download = page. As for Orca, I am using it as a screen reader rather than as a magnifier. = Arch has all the latest versions of GNOME and Orca available for = installation. Other than a few rather minor annoyances that still need to = be worked out with at-spi2 and Orca, it runs fairly well here. And don't = worry, there's no Unity on Arch, although if you really want it, it's = probably available in the Arch User Repository somewhere. :) ~Kyle Sent from my Wishdroid! :) From j.orcauser@googlemail.com Mon Aug 15 19:50:01 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C12317500F9 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 19:50:01 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p9J4YKx-0H1V for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 19:49:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ww0-f46.google.com (mail-ww0-f46.google.com [74.125.82.46]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1BEF750130 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 19:49:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwf27 with SMTP id 27so3388408wwf.27 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 12:49:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:x-operating-system:user-agent; bh=PECJfBzi7LB059DmWeZSo2KsbNxynj0faJNDEObcSM8=; b=h0B0M4/uo2OZpZKXaWV8/lspm+UI8DAfzDr2WpHuEEeNCjndweUrWxP9AzB074IS62 78LWNLa4+RFKWod5lP2pYX2wNLzQsuX9S94JePULk4lp6nChDtYeNcqZ794QQJHposGm 9cFKgcuQTrbWdlkaw557pafDL1BqnwUsFiUGM= Received: by 10.227.201.129 with SMTP id fa1mr504350wbb.75.1313437788642; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 12:49:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Jupiter (138-38-227-227.resnet.bath.ac.uk [138.38.227.227]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fd4sm4811719wbb.30.2011.08.15.12.49.46 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 15 Aug 2011 12:49:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:49:39 +0100 From: Jon To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110815194939.GA16134@Jupiter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Operating-System: Linux User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: [orca-list] scope of this list X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Jon List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 19:50:02 -0000 Dear all, A general note, I feel that the orca list has been diluted recently to include a lot of topics that belong on several other lists. I don't know if you feel the same. I know that it would be good to have one point of contact, but this means that we all have to see unrelated posts and that we get less productive. Please remember: * the orca list, is for discussing orca related problems, and how a particular problem should be solved if we have alternatives. * general linux discussions and accessibility of each distro may be discussed on the blinux list * vinux related questions should be on the vinux mailing list * ubuntu/unity problems may be best discusssed on the ubuntu accessibility mailing list. Do people feel the same/any other views? Thank you From nolan@thewordnerd.info Mon Aug 15 19:56:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C154A7500F9 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 19:56:53 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v8kRThXPO4sQ for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 19:56:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from thewordnerd.info (li53-161.members.linode.com [72.14.187.161]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2443775004D for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 19:56:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.5] (cpe-72-179-53-110.austin.res.rr.com [72.179.53.110]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: nolan) by thewordnerd.info (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3346B390012 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 19:56:42 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <4E4979F7.4070307@thewordnerd.info> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 14:56:39 -0500 From: Nolan Darilek User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110627 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20110815194939.GA16134@Jupiter> In-Reply-To: <20110815194939.GA16134@Jupiter> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] scope of this list X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 19:56:54 -0000 On 08/15/2011 02:49 PM, Jon wrote: > Do people feel the same/any other views? > > Absolutely. I've brought this up many times previously, and generally people agree, but nothing gets done. I was thinking that I might just leave the list this time. I get that it seems nice to help people, and to answer off-topic questions. However, think of what would happen if *everyone* on *every list* did that. If my Scala list is spammed with Ruby questions, my ATX Hackerspace group gets postings on San Francisco events, and my Android list gets overwhelmed by questions from iPhone users, then what's the point of mailing lists? For every one person who says "I can't get my wireless to work. I use Orca. I'll send that to the Orca list!" hundreds of us spend time deleting. And just where do we draw the line in that case? At the moment I'm learning about internet marketing. I use Orca. Should I start posting questions about advertising and affiliate marketing here because I happen to use Orca while doing these things? From thomasward1978@gmail.com Mon Aug 15 20:09:12 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 565D67500F9 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:09:12 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xIx67PMObD6Z for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:09:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com (mail-iy0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FBEC75004D for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:09:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iye7 with SMTP id 7so10616776iye.3 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:08:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=v5/QYT7T/Tzwo31TnARAYOeM/Ls4NtgRQGzJsuxtvD0=; b=FSuSGpLpwRVaEfFfSKpBmLgSbFsDCeKm96cerZXirUeta2h6VntIZ+T6UQiB+P63h1 OXyntuTwHews+Vj4Hl9k56K80Tf8ICBe7QU4dtdc8DSeHoUREfpXjRu+TUUgSTagC64J Qm7uCrbBx98PWPiegYboe0VB+MyWiBsnv4P8Y= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.52.16 with SMTP id f16mr6066847ibg.31.1313438939829; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:08:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.39.194 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:08:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20110815194939.GA16134@Jupiter> References: <20110815194939.GA16134@Jupiter> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 16:08:59 -0400 Message-ID: From: Thomas Ward To: Jon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] scope of this list X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:09:12 -0000 Hi John, Personally I disagree with you. I know it seems logical to talk about Ubuntu on the Ubuntu access list, Vinux on the Vinux mailing list, general Linux access on blinux, etc however what most of us need is a single point of contact where information can be shared with one another without having to subscribe to 15 different mailing lists just to try and get all of our questions answered. I myself am not a linux newby, but if I were I wouldn't have a clue where to start unless someone compiled a list of ask questions x on list x, ask questions y on list y, and ask questions belonging to z on z list. That's just too confusing. So if the Orca list isn't the proper forum or list for this then perhaps we need to start up or point users to the proper list. Cheers! On 8/15/11, Jon wrote: > Dear all, > > A general note, > I feel that the orca list has been diluted recently to include a lot of > topics > that belong on several other lists. I don't know if you feel the same. > > I know that it would be good to have one point of contact, but this > means that we all have to see unrelated posts and that we get less > productive. > > > Please remember: > * the orca list, is for discussing orca related problems, and how a > particular problem should be solved if we have alternatives. > * general linux discussions and accessibility of each distro may be > discussed on the blinux list > * vinux related questions should be on the vinux mailing list > * ubuntu/unity problems may be best discusssed on the ubuntu > accessibility mailing list. > > Do people feel the same/any other views? > > Thank you > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > From cmb1589@gmail.com Mon Aug 15 20:09:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0001675004D for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:09:32 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AY0RDmscYkm8 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:09:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8A4475013F for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:09:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyh15 with SMTP id 15so3066933wyh.27 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:09:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:reply-to:to:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date :message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; bh=b2RvcW5xJ1BIrgNtEju4Wp4l+gsL9OlPMRVwnzAR5sA=; b=cWqxkRJReBHqnyt+Y4SnaCpGVqk/wGg3wsF7wD2nvmadLwHGW4bNCgs9L8m8UeXaS7 fklDSnYP52bjTz+PaGVzlVfr1kiCGkF9V47LAxOuLDf7pPHfe6iPlcXiMZ9z+mJojbTg TpFyHDsWuLAwN8oJ7KtO2aN5v0G3vY4nlVQFM= Received: by 10.216.24.30 with SMTP id w30mr2355347wew.68.1313438958607; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:09:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.4] (5ad2999d.bb.sky.com [90.210.153.157]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i51sm3394948wed.19.2011.08.15.13.09.17 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:09:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Blake To: orca-list In-Reply-To: <20110815194939.GA16134@Jupiter> References: <20110815194939.GA16134@Jupiter> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:09:16 +0100 Message-ID: <1313438956.6793.11.camel@ubuntu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] scope of this list X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: cmb1589@gmail.com List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:09:33 -0000 Jon, Since I'm a new user to the list, I haven't seen the scope, and it's good to seee somebody bring this up. Admittedly, I have gone off topic with my "alternatives to ubuntu" post. And, though I didn't know of the blinux list, I see that now I should of directed that there. So my apologies for that. Though, I was trying to get advice from an Orca point of view. Also, I don't know if I've introduced myself to the list, so if that is a thing the orca-list like, then I'll follow this up with an introduction. Also, could you provide email links to these other lists? I'm already a member of the Vinux support list, but in general for everybody else, it would be good for reference. Also, is this list a good place to make suggestions for features for Orca? I'd imagine it is, if so, there are issues I'm having with Orca, at least, in terms of features I'd like. Regards, and apologies again for my off-topic posts. Craig -- C. M. Blake Web Project Manager Twitter: cbspace Skype: cbspace MSN: cb@cbspace.co.uk Web: cbspace.co.uk For screen reader users, cbspace is spelt c,b,s,p,a,c,e. On Mon, 2011-08-15 at 20:49 +0100, Jon wrote: > Dear all, > > A general note, > I feel that the orca list has been diluted recently to include a lot of topics > that belong on several other lists. I don't know if you feel the same. > > I know that it would be good to have one point of contact, but this > means that we all have to see unrelated posts and that we get less > productive. > > > Please remember: > * the orca list, is for discussing orca related problems, and how a > particular problem should be solved if we have alternatives. > * general linux discussions and accessibility of each distro may be > discussed on the blinux list > * vinux related questions should be on the vinux mailing list > * ubuntu/unity problems may be best discusssed on the ubuntu > accessibility mailing list. > > Do people feel the same/any other views? > > Thank you > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From dmazzoni@google.com Mon Aug 15 20:10:32 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE6307500F9 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:10:31 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.29 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.29 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.988, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Su+P6kp2KSuV for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:10:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-out.google.com (smtp-out.google.com [216.239.44.51]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D8E975004D for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:10:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wpaz5.hot.corp.google.com (wpaz5.hot.corp.google.com [172.24.198.69]) by smtp-out.google.com with ESMTP id p7FKAJFB008983 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:10:19 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=beta; t=1313439019; bh=Ld4u4qvX9mAUK3MwP1/rvhKJ5L4=; h=MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Content-Type; b=X3WRPQm6jZPydUCXf/ssO20GT06KQW4vvaCpHWoJfJ+njmX+JoCRJloGwosh9lU6m 37tJ7mECNcFIDDbMmESqA== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=beta; d=google.com; c=nofws; q=dns; h=dkim-signature:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to: content-type:x-system-of-record; b=VXnvCx8KeLztxMQKhydDCjrlR0Ltw1hbr+OhEBpbHk7tk5vGscAYFJzZ2N1rBR4fj RiAq2Cp828q/jmw8n6RHw== Received: from yxm8 (yxm8.prod.google.com [10.190.4.8]) by wpaz5.hot.corp.google.com with ESMTP id p7FK9jcr028765 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:10:18 -0700 Received: by yxm8 with SMTP id 8so3170481yxm.9 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:10:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=beta; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=YG2dVKTOq4OZK4c9x38KPLrUtgZ/QCi9ru3m/fCgecs=; b=SJUU3lcD5ItsJ/Fnb99XA2AcD+6OM7XoG36RfIjn6vVTDnpG2PBd3XTUI+b7J1P0FD oZ3SV16nH5kdpeUrNDjg== Received: by 10.151.82.19 with SMTP id j19mr5453997ybl.177.1313439018329; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:10:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.82.19 with SMTP id j19mr5453990ybl.177.1313439018189; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:10:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.43.11 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:10:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:10:18 -0700 Message-ID: From: Dominic Mazzoni To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-System-Of-Record: true Subject: [orca-list] Accessibility of Chromium / Google Chrome X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:10:32 -0000 Hello, I'm one of the developers of Chrome accessibility support at Google. I know that there's been some interest in making Chrome accessible with Orca on Linux, so I decided to join this list to talk about it some more. To answer some questions from previous posts, yes, Chrome does use GTK+, so making the user interface accessible will be relatively easy. Unfortunately, Chrome does not use the GTK+ port of Webkit, and there are technical reasons why it's not possible for us to use that code directly, so we'd have to rewrite most of that code. My question is, are there any Orca / GTK+ developers on this list who would be interested in working on this with us? Based on my experience making Chrome accessible on Windows and Mac, making a web browser accessible is very tricky and complicated, and almost impossible without some help from someone who's really familiar with the screen reader's source code. Ideally I'd like to find someone who'd be willing to compile Chromium from source and then help test patches that make it accessible and help debug things when Orca doesn't behave as expected. - Dominic From chaltain@gmail.com Mon Aug 15 20:12:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5994F75016A for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:12:23 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zDhZLzF4crBl for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:12:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B003B75004D for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:12:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxl31 with SMTP id 31so4813641yxl.27 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:12:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=OVtEdSL4Mk3N96OgL/EMSphwS/5fSNVEoYKQ/AJ4f1Y=; b=CzcZuYgJHhib2zfSMULrOICWsLkmKTOIw2qE+UePFL7AInFgnWssBU++ErlQn+MeVE /cvykeGYexqVIs1rBQVp+o1imdDgSC0VfjWkM1Tk+713rLwK9O3q5Qi7Sch88xdrOCZW 1TYJXmjkChIvaLay9WAFRBIz3lal/Wo6m+ovE= Received: by 10.236.116.168 with SMTP id g28mr12940581yhh.63.1313439130912; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:12:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.113] (cpe-173-174-56-115.austin.res.rr.com [173.174.56.115]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z29sm1092678yhn.2.2011.08.15.13.12.10 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:12:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E497D99.7060902@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 15:12:09 -0500 From: Christopher Chaltain User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110516 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20110815194939.GA16134@Jupiter> <4E4979F7.4070307@thewordnerd.info> In-Reply-To: <4E4979F7.4070307@thewordnerd.info> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] scope of this list X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:12:23 -0000 First, let me say that I'll go along with whatever the list or the moderators decide. In general, I prefer well moderated lists myself, but I suspect I'm guilty of straying off topic on this list. I agree with this in theory, but it would be good to know some examples of some off topic posts. I don't find this to be a very high traffic list. Also, the screen reader is such an important part of the system for a blind person, it could be hard to draw that line on when an issue is off topic. For these reasons, I think we should try to keep things on topic, but we should also be pretty liberal in what we consider on topic for this list. On a related point, good subject lines would help me manage the traffic on this and all lists. I'm not sure if it's just me, but coming up with good subject lines and changing them when the discussion changes seems to be a dying art. On 15/08/11 14:56, Nolan Darilek wrote: > On 08/15/2011 02:49 PM, Jon wrote: >> Do people feel the same/any other views? >> >> > > Absolutely. I've brought this up many times previously, and generally > people agree, but nothing gets done. I was thinking that I might just > leave the list this time. > > I get that it seems nice to help people, and to answer off-topic > questions. However, think of what would happen if *everyone* on *every > list* did that. If my Scala list is spammed with Ruby questions, my ATX > Hackerspace group gets postings on San Francisco events, and my Android > list gets overwhelmed by questions from iPhone users, then what's the > point of mailing lists? For every one person who says "I can't get my > wireless to work. I use Orca. I'll send that to the Orca list!" hundreds > of us spend time deleting. And just where do we draw the line in that > case? At the moment I'm learning about internet marketing. I use Orca. > Should I start posting questions about advertising and affiliate > marketing here because I happen to use Orca while doing these things? > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain@gmail.com From kyle4jesus@gmail.com Mon Aug 15 20:18:24 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E84D75008E for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:18:24 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.689 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.689 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vNWmD9W8tHUs for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:18:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80DA375004D for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:18:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk28 with SMTP id 28so4894099gxk.27 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:18:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:reply-to:to:subject:date:message-id:x-mailer:mime-version :content-language:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=aus1ejzYGwfI7ZGXIxxFfQrCfRWcxuu0IurPKmh0m3U=; b=txm1JXR+KC+WKEA+emJWGrfNFOfUGWhwstKIut+/QitB+HW+LkYC+iOUUxZ0b4Ke0p PhKEvn6vVeShNU5P4OAl5j/WIii0Fr5Tm2+lS8qjjivIpI+ynALMH3mfOUSKEhbvOkwq syPFhGS3BDdAudD+TDaQqLO8JMSaYC4sQONbM= Received: by 10.150.254.18 with SMTP id b18mr5236501ybi.373.1313439491619; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:18:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [26.226.1.245] (mc02c36d0.tmodns.net [208.54.44.192]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m3sm2003929ybg.26.2011.08.15.13.18.08 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:18:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "Kyle" To: orca-list@gnome.org Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 16:18:06 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: EPOC Email Version 2.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: i-default Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessibility of Chromium / Google Chrome X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Kyle List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:18:24 -0000 Count me. In! I'm not a developer, but if compiling from source isn't too = tricky, I've been dying to bang around on this thing, so I'll definitely be = interested in applying and testing any accessibility patches. ~Kyle Sent from my Wishdroid! :) ________________ Reply Header ________________ Subject: [orca-list] Accessibility of Chromium / Google Chrome Author: "Dominic Mazzoni" Date: August 15th 2011 15:10 Hello, I'm one of the developers of Chrome accessibility support at Google. = I know that there's been some interest in making Chrome accessible with Orca on Linux, so I decided to join this list to talk about it some more. To answer some questions from previous posts, yes, Chrome does use GTK+, so making the user interface accessible will be relatively = easy. Unfortunately, Chrome does not use the GTK+ port of Webkit, and there are technical reasons why it's not possible for us to use that code directly, so we'd have to rewrite most of that code. My question is, are there any Orca / GTK+ developers on this list who would be interested in working on this with us? Based on my = experience making Chrome accessible on Windows and Mac, making a web browser accessible is very tricky and complicated, and almost impossible without some help from someone who's really familiar with the screen reader's source code. Ideally I'd like to find someone who'd be willing to compile Chromium from source and then help test patches that make it accessible and help debug things when Orca doesn't = behave as expected. - Dominic _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual is at = http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions Netiquette Guidelines are at = http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From cmb1589@gmail.com Mon Aug 15 20:29:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB83B7500F9 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:29:09 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id a0bwIms76fGo for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:29:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1A5975008E for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:28:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyh15 with SMTP id 15so3086554wyh.27 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:28:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:reply-to:to:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date :message-id:mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; bh=114OCixFB5b50Jpavngk0U5m+k6NooqSroepQDbiOvM=; b=Nz5f0uSeYOVpTn/V4ld54B9lrZ2Swr42iYG7wIx+zktwQYLfiRPtMvGsG/BKnVjwWX slzI91XYXNacXJu3LNE1ZNksZ+j2TRl02zc8KTG6lKgRfDwfoW5iiKm9uFYPc3BNWSqK 1n31GPs9RZ+rbLvojbWZ4eU2QWJOZrY3Aafm4= Received: by 10.227.160.140 with SMTP id n12mr3701107wbx.69.1313440136543; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:28:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.4] (5ad2999d.bb.sky.com [90.210.153.157]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fm9sm4841151wbb.10.2011.08.15.13.28.55 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:28:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Craig Blake To: orca-list In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:28:54 +0100 Message-ID: <1313440134.6793.19.camel@ubuntu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessibility of Chromium / Google Chrome X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: cmb1589@gmail.com List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:29:09 -0000 Dominic, Firstly I know you are looking for developers in particular, but since I use the magnifier part of Orca, I'd like to get involved somehow, since I've experienced problems graphically. I can imagine that would have something to do with GTK+ more than Orca or WebKit. I'm also interested in development. since I'm a web developer (though only limited to HTML, CSS and a small bit of PHP) I'd like to eventually get technically involved in the development of accessibility with many applications and products on Linux, let alone Chrome. If there is any way I could be of assistance in testing, I'd be happy to help. Regards, Craig -- C. M. Blake Web Project Manager Twitter: cbspace Skype: cbspace MSN: cb@cbspace.co.uk Web: cbspace.co.uk For screen reader users, cbspace is spelt c,b,s,p,a,c,e. On Mon, 2011-08-15 at 13:10 -0700, Dominic Mazzoni wrote: > Hello, > > I'm one of the developers of Chrome accessibility support at Google. I > know that there's been some interest in making Chrome accessible with > Orca on Linux, so I decided to join this list to talk about it some > more. > > To answer some questions from previous posts, yes, Chrome does use > GTK+, so making the user interface accessible will be relatively easy. > Unfortunately, Chrome does not use the GTK+ port of Webkit, and there > are technical reasons why it's not possible for us to use that code > directly, so we'd have to rewrite most of that code. > > My question is, are there any Orca / GTK+ developers on this list who > would be interested in working on this with us? Based on my experience > making Chrome accessible on Windows and Mac, making a web browser > accessible is very tricky and complicated, and almost impossible > without some help from someone who's really familiar with the screen > reader's source code. Ideally I'd like to find someone who'd be > willing to compile Chromium from source and then help test patches > that make it accessible and help debug things when Orca doesn't behave > as expected. > > - Dominic > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From GlennErvin@cableone.net Mon Aug 15 20:42:46 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D046275016A for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:42:46 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.189 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.189 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.988, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VDEIpc3PE3BO for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:42:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from s1.cableone.net (s1.cableone.net [24.116.0.227]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BF277500F9 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:42:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from your9f1aaab2d8 (unverified [24.116.90.149]) by s1.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service s1) with ESMTP id 43069558-1872270 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:42:35 -0700 Message-ID: <7980BE25829040B4BEB1C5842CF78CEF@your9f1aaab2d8> From: "Glenn" To: Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 15:42:34 -0500 Organization: Home MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Vpipe: Scanner said ok (av_avast) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 0, First 75, in=54, out=0, spam=0 ip=24.116.90.149 X-Originating-IP: 24.116.90.149 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Subject: [orca-list] scope of this lis X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Glenn List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:42:47 -0000 Hi, In a perfect world, we would all only address Orca related questions to the list for Orca. Although it is ultimately the choice of the moderator of the list; but since it was asked, I think that we all need a place to turn to when things aren't going as expected in a new or unfamiliar operating system. And if this list were inundated with Orca questions alone, then I think it would make sense to try to hold the list to Only Orca questions. But if we want to promote Orca and Ubuntu, we should offer, along with real assistance, information to joining a better list, in case the person with the question would like to join another group, but I believe it is not to the best interest of Orca to not help folks who need help in general as well. Glenn From stormdragon2976@gmail.com Mon Aug 15 21:03:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DA5475008E for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:03:10 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j4CCEZ+3RenR for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:03:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAD6875004D for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:02:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk28 with SMTP id 28so4925584gxk.27 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 14:02:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id :mime-version:x-mailer; bh=NEH3lKUz2q+5lDt3GQR8FjE0wd8ZlQou/ZSXItm8AqM=; b=GnWyTPwsIK5rTV6xklcuQlsh0AB+a9mboGvyxghQY9WAGdW0l2e1KOGEb1ZUk1oY0c GwXg6P6UGmz24zFk2u8BgonG3SkT1JrRtaw0EWBdGCcLNakblI8z4J/znMqGNMPjGEIe EKYhuTsVLgpVZC440RniNngWb/huf8Lb/E4Bg= Received: by 10.236.173.226 with SMTP id v62mr13408361yhl.105.1313442176783; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 14:02:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.105] ([137.118.186.73]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q25sm5322082yhm.20.2011.08.15.14.02.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 15 Aug 2011 14:02:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Storm Dragon To: Orca-list In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-bM7T69WET/ZPP+2F88iW" Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 17:02:51 -0400 Message-ID: <1313442171.4460.12.camel@alicia-laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.3 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessibility of Chromium / Google Chrome X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:03:10 -0000 --=-bM7T69WET/ZPP+2F88iW Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I am willing to help test patches. I am currently using Vinux 3.0 which is based on Ubuntu 10.04 Lucid. another idea may be to subscribe to the Vinux support list and see if someone won't add the patched versions to the testing repositories so that you can get a lot of testers who can install it through ordinary, sudo apt-get install ... methods. thanks Storm -- Vinux Publicity Coordinator: http://www.vinuxproject.org/ Registered Linux user number 508465: http://counter.li.org/ My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon: http://www.stormdragon.us/ How many Internet mail list subscribers does it take to change a lightbulb? http://goo.gl/eO4PJ My last.fm profile: http://www.last.fm/user/stormdragon2976 "Have you ever been alone at night, thought you heard footsteps behind, and turned around and no one's there? And as you quicken up your pace you'll find it hard to look again because you're sure that someone's there." Iron Maiden On Mon, 2011-08-15 at 16:18 -0500, Kyle wrote: > Count me. In! I'm not a developer, but if compiling from source isn't too tricky, I've been dying to bang around on this thing, so I'll definitely be interested in applying and testing any accessibility patches. > ~Kyle > Sent from my Wishdroid! :) > > ________________ Reply Header ________________ > Subject: [orca-list] Accessibility of Chromium / Google Chrome > Author: "Dominic Mazzoni" > Date: August 15th 2011 15:10 > > Hello, > > I'm one of the developers of Chrome accessibility support at Google. I > know that there's been some interest in making Chrome accessible with > Orca on Linux, so I decided to join this list to talk about it some > more. > > To answer some questions from previous posts, yes, Chrome does use > GTK+, so making the user interface accessible will be relatively easy. > Unfortunately, Chrome does not use the GTK+ port of Webkit, and there > are technical reasons why it's not possible for us to use that code > directly, so we'd have to rewrite most of that code. > > My question is, are there any Orca / GTK+ developers on this list who > would be interested in working on this with us? Based on my experience > making Chrome accessible on Windows and Mac, making a web browser > accessible is very tricky and complicated, and almost impossible > without some help from someone who's really familiar with the screen > reader's source code. Ideally I'd like to find someone who'd be > willing to compile Chromium from source and then help test patches > that make it accessible and help debug things when Orca doesn't behave > as expected. > > - Dominic > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp --=-bM7T69WET/ZPP+2F88iW Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi,
I am willing to help test patches. I am currently using Vinux 3.0 which is based on Ubuntu 10.04 Lucid. another idea may be to subscribe to the Vinux support list and see if someone won't add the patched versions to the testing repositories so that you can get a lot of testers who can install it through ordinary, sudo apt-get install ... methods.
thanks
Storm
-- 
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How many Internet mail list subscribers does it take to change a lightbulb? http://goo.gl/eO4PJ
My last.fm profile: http://www.last.fm/user/stormdragon2976
"Have you ever been alone at night, thought you heard footsteps behind, and turned around and no one's there? And as you quicken up your pace you'll find it hard to look again because you're sure that someone's there."
Iron Maiden


On Mon, 2011-08-15 at 16:18 -0500, Kyle wrote: 
Count me. In! I'm not a developer, but if compiling from source isn't too tricky, I've been dying to bang around on this thing, so I'll definitely be interested in applying and testing any accessibility patches.
~Kyle
Sent from my Wishdroid! :)

________________ Reply Header ________________
Subject:	[orca-list] Accessibility of Chromium / Google Chrome
Author:	"Dominic Mazzoni" <dmazzoni@google.com>
Date:		August 15th 2011 15:10

Hello,

I'm one of the developers of Chrome accessibility support at Google. I
know that there's been some interest in making Chrome accessible with
Orca on Linux, so I decided to join this list to talk about it some
more.

To answer some questions from previous posts, yes, Chrome does use
GTK+, so making the user interface accessible will be relatively easy.
Unfortunately, Chrome does not use the GTK+ port of Webkit, and there
are technical reasons why it's not possible for us to use that code
directly, so we'd have to rewrite most of that code.

My question is, are there any Orca / GTK+ developers on this list who
would be interested in working on this with us? Based on my experience
making Chrome accessible on Windows and Mac, making a web browser
accessible is very tricky and complicated, and almost impossible
without some help from someone who's really familiar with the screen
reader's source code. Ideally I'd like to find someone who'd be
willing to compile Chromium from source and then help test patches
that make it accessible and help debug things when Orca doesn't behave
as expected.

- Dominic
_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list@gnome.org
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list@gnome.org
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
--=-bM7T69WET/ZPP+2F88iW-- From mobeeniqbal@gmail.com Mon Aug 15 21:06:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A5F375004D for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:06:05 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CFa7UkbRJv0I for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:06:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9671575008E for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:05:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyh15 with SMTP id 15so3119091wyh.27 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 14:05:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=TLDdl83i1dKuxS7SDsC2MTBbCqouZ1h6Bsdra0Wr31U=; b=GR9RA+s+zXlNB6PYXAmciPEKMugtg6YH/b/Pldg7AxHd5v87sfItHUVLGh57CQqbka PS9zRPS3dQ0Y/UNr1JOPR8SBlUcdUNX4RPe0jNijZnm62AkP/aS4q2r3Jjs/v4wLwj++ 8hiXDVOd90+H6cJ8IBv4VCchNs0H5Z3GHsXmw= Received: by 10.227.39.83 with SMTP id f19mr739628wbe.112.1313442350932; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 14:05:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (87-194-103-68.bethere.co.uk [87.194.103.68]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fm9sm4860283wbb.27.2011.08.15.14.05.49 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 15 Aug 2011 14:05:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E498A2B.2050101@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 22:05:47 +0100 From: Mobeen Iqbal User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Glenn , Orca-list@gnome.org References: <7980BE25829040B4BEB1C5842CF78CEF@your9f1aaab2d8> In-Reply-To: <7980BE25829040B4BEB1C5842CF78CEF@your9f1aaab2d8> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] scope of this lis X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:06:05 -0000 Hi All. I agree with Glenn on this point. I'm a moderator over on the vinux support and development lists. while we try to keep things vinux related, sometimes users will discuss windows related accessibility with linux in mind because some of them want to switch, or find an alternative to the windows software they love so much. the same applies to mac. we've also had people discussing android. we could take 2 approaches to the problem. moderate the list and complain that our blood pressure is rizing as moderators trying to moderate out the crap, then ban people like they do on the jaws list. or simply let users discuss topics as long as they don't get out of hand and too off topic, and as long as subjects are relevant. the latter is the logical approach and users feel welcome and encouraged to use gnu/linux, even if they're not using vinux. I agree that on lists such as the orca list and jaws list, moderators do have to take a stand when it comes to keeping things more on topic, but sometimes its simpler just to let people ask their questions and if they can't obtain the answer from the orca list, to send them elsewhere. on the jaws list, they just ban you if you go slightly off topic and that puts a fair few users off. My point is that new users can very easily feel intimidated and can be put off by someone sounding negative if unintentionally. I think you guys are doing a great job, keep up the excellent work and i'd like to thank the mods for not banning people when things get a little OT. a forum you may wish to recommend to people is at: http://www.vitektalk.com/ All the best, Mo. On 15/08/2011 21:42, Glenn wrote: > Hi, > In a perfect world, we would all only address Orca related questions to the > list for Orca. > Although it is ultimately the choice of the moderator of the list; but since > it was asked, I think that we all need a place to turn to when things aren't > going as expected in a new or unfamiliar operating system. > And if this list were inundated with Orca questions alone, then I think it > would make sense to try to hold the list to Only Orca questions. > But if we want to promote Orca and Ubuntu, we should offer, along with real > assistance, information to joining a better list, in case the person with > the question would like to join another group, but I believe it is not to > the best interest of Orca to not help folks who need help in general as > well. > Glenn > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From mj@mjw.se Mon Aug 15 21:45:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 955747500F9 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:45:09 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.449 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.988, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.439] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8WkdTe5YDPlG for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:45:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mjw.se (mjw.se [88.80.26.59]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3125975004D for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:44:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mj ([85.226.23.63]) by mjw.se (IceWarp 10.2.1 (2010-11-29) RHEL5) with ASMTP id YTH00154; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 15:44:54 -0400 Message-ID: <010201cc5b94$91a5c770$3f17e255@mj> From: "mattias" To: , "orca-list" References: <20110815194939.GA16134@Jupiter> <1313438956.6793.11.camel@ubuntu> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 23:44:52 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3664 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3664 Subject: Re: [orca-list] scope of this list X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:45:09 -0000 but blinux list are not so active ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Blake" To: "orca-list" Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 10:09 PM Subject: Re: [orca-list] scope of this list > Jon, > > Since I'm a new user to the list, I haven't seen the scope, and it's > good to seee somebody bring this up. > > Admittedly, I have gone off topic with my "alternatives to ubuntu" post. > And, though I didn't know of the blinux list, I see that now I should of > directed that there. So my apologies for that. Though, I was trying to > get advice from an Orca point of view. > > Also, I don't know if I've introduced myself to the list, so if that is > a thing the orca-list like, then I'll follow this up with an > introduction. > > Also, could you provide email links to these other lists? I'm already a > member of the Vinux support list, but in general for everybody else, it > would be good for reference. > > Also, is this list a good place to make suggestions for features for > Orca? I'd imagine it is, if so, there are issues I'm having with Orca, > at least, in terms of features I'd like. > > Regards, and apologies again for my off-topic posts. > > Craig > > > -- > C. M. Blake > Web Project Manager > Twitter: cbspace > Skype: cbspace > MSN: cb@cbspace.co.uk > Web: cbspace.co.uk > For screen reader users, cbspace is spelt c,b,s,p,a,c,e. > > > On Mon, 2011-08-15 at 20:49 +0100, Jon wrote: >> Dear all, >> >> A general note, >> I feel that the orca list has been diluted recently to include a lot of >> topics >> that belong on several other lists. I don't know if you feel the same. >> >> I know that it would be good to have one point of contact, but this >> means that we all have to see unrelated posts and that we get less >> productive. >> >> >> Please remember: >> * the orca list, is for discussing orca related problems, and how a >> particular problem should be solved if we have alternatives. >> * general linux discussions and accessibility of each distro may be >> discussed on the blinux list >> * vinux related questions should be on the vinux mailing list >> * ubuntu/unity problems may be best discusssed on the ubuntu >> accessibility mailing list. >> >> Do people feel the same/any other views? >> >> Thank you >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at >> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Netiquette Guidelines are at >> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From j.orcauser@googlemail.com Mon Aug 15 22:16:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1147B7500F9 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 22:16:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hlrUSlIgkWFT for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 22:16:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8E8275004D for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 22:16:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyh15 with SMTP id 15so3174409wyh.27 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 15:16:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:x-operating-system :user-agent; bh=tpoSXA9KKG8xlilk8yWhNilX5ey0u6lH5YgLE5Jsp80=; b=aHKReICpv0xDcugQyhUX7oXTvMsCRACBKl6MKgsTVCwZZjCNEBZSy78uy68eTpdqYC lmxRzyZQXnnMOLFQS+Ae7DjPcbM7GO2O/qGZtRnqAwGgzAq7uiZ111pQBi2jjblKToON C+iZYfQfFt5gAk/FeiM059XznOMIpZfuIZ3xs= Received: by 10.227.37.23 with SMTP id v23mr3761746wbd.94.1313446603866; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 15:16:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Jupiter (138-38-227-227.resnet.bath.ac.uk [138.38.227.227]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fr7sm4894747wbb.56.2011.08.15.15.16.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 15 Aug 2011 15:16:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 23:16:34 +0100 From: Jon To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110815221634.GA16595@Jupiter> References: <20110815194939.GA16134@Jupiter> <4E4979F7.4070307@thewordnerd.info> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4E4979F7.4070307@thewordnerd.info> X-Operating-System: Linux User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] scope of this list X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Jon List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 22:16:58 -0000 Thanks for your replies, @ThomasWard, yes you are saying that you want a single point of contact, and what some people feel is that maybe the blinux list should be used for this purpose, and if more specialist advise is required then one should ask the question/report the problem on the specific list. The point is not to deny helping each other, but to have this help targeted, as well as having space for feature discussions and improvement suggestions. Most of us are subscribed to these various mailing lists, but when I go to the blinux list I am happy and have the time to help, and when i read the orca list i want to see if someone has reported a problem that i've come across, or if i wish to discuss a particular feature. I know for certain that I am not the only person that do this. It is just a little bit of a colture difference for people that come from windows, and its another small thing that we all had to learn at some point. The idea is not to be negative or unhelpful, but to be constructive and guide people to the right channels. @CraigBlake, I can't remember if the various email lists are linked to from the orca wiki, I will look and update if they are not there already. Yes, discussion of features/improvements are very much ontopic for this list. If your idea is very clear and you don't wish to discuss it with other users first, then you can open a bugzilla ticket with your feature request/improvement with a detailed description. Sometimes we reach a consensis then a ticket is opened. If the suggestions are unrelated, then one email per suggestion with a good subject please :) @Nolan, it would be a shame if all of us old orca list members unsubscribed, it is better if we try to work together to remind each other when we go off topic, otherwise you would not be the only one to unsubscribe, and our orca would be the worse off. @ChristopherChaltain, liberal is good, but having to delete over 100 messages for the last few weeks unrelated to orca or orca specific features is not ideal. If you want a comparison just look at the archive of the last two months, and the same two months from two years ago, and look at the ratio between related/unrelated messages. Your point of having good clear subject lines is very valuable, most these things are mensioned in the orca list guidelines linked to at the bottom of each orca list email: http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines It is excellent that we are getting more users and every single one is welcome. @mattias, the blinux list would be more active if more people asked questions there. Thanks. On Mon 15/08/11,14:56, Nolan Darilek wrote: > On 08/15/2011 02:49 PM, Jon wrote: > >Do people feel the same/any other views? > > > > > > Absolutely. I've brought this up many times previously, and > generally people agree, but nothing gets done. I was thinking that I > might just leave the list this time. > > I get that it seems nice to help people, and to answer off-topic > questions. However, think of what would happen if *everyone* on > *every list* did that. If my Scala list is spammed with Ruby > questions, my ATX Hackerspace group gets postings on San Francisco > events, and my Android list gets overwhelmed by questions from > iPhone users, then what's the point of mailing lists? For every one > person who says "I can't get my wireless to work. I use Orca. I'll > send that to the Orca list!" hundreds of us spend time deleting. And > just where do we draw the line in that case? At the moment I'm > learning about internet marketing. I use Orca. Should I start > posting questions about advertising and affiliate marketing here > because I happen to use Orca while doing these things? > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From joanmarie.diggs@gmail.com Mon Aug 15 22:28:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15E8F7500F9; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 22:28:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mKoKVXFSDzuN; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 22:28:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFC3D75004D; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 22:28:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vxh11 with SMTP id 11so7914173vxh.27 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 15:28:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:subject:from:to:cc:date:content-type:x-mailer :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:mime-version; bh=UeX3h7wJFaWmjg2QsJf0t5ttucP4Ob9XoIs1pbBCNcc=; b=DYQlw7VSUF2u77ba/aQsyAnS3cpegcSX2D7+7yTNBxzvS5u3rNoPQzYkf9EjNsMKVH JREU4ADehO8gUUPsLBYM/1C/90bPvkKpcsLhwquL6tkwfUJx8OifzJRCrnmgbyyPlwBg fY4XBqpa2+pGt2ASr33RB6beUJlmfkO5ib8vo= Received: by 10.52.23.44 with SMTP id j12mr3889718vdf.218.1313447311100; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 15:28:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.35.108] (c-98-217-239-60.hsd1.nh.comcast.net [98.217.239.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id dq1sm3634058vdb.37.2011.08.15.15.28.29 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 15 Aug 2011 15:28:30 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Joanmarie Diggs From: Joanmarie Diggs To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:28:28 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.1.4 (3.1.4-1.fc16) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <1313447310.28601.1.camel@blockhead.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: [orca-list] Announcing Orca v3.1.5 and v3.1.5-xdesktop X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 22:28:44 -0000 =============== * What is Orca? =============== Orca is a free, open source, flexible, and extensible screen reader that provides access to the graphical desktop via user-customizable combinations of speech, braille, and/or magnification. You can read more about Orca at http://live.gnome.org/Orca. ========================================== * Which Version Should I Use? ========================================== If you are using GNOME 3: * Orca v3.1.5 is the latest unstable version of Orca. * Orca v3.0.4 is the latest stable version of Orca. If you are NOT using GNOME 3: * Orca-xdesktop v.3.1.5 is an alternative unstable version of Orca, the goal of which is to provide the latest fixes and features without requiring users to upgrade to the latest version of GNOME. This version is likely to not work as expected in GNOME 3.x. =================================== * What's Changed? =================================== * Fix for bug 639535 - KeyError: 'profile' traceback; Orca won't launch * Fix for bug 654923 - Add Unity to OnlyShowIn value for autostart desktop file (3.1.5 only) * Fix for bug 656305 - Improve autotools config (3.1.5 only) * Fix for bug 654114 - Map "clutter" to "CALLY" toolkit script * Enhanced Orca's traceit tool (3.1.5 only) New and updated translations (THANKS EVERYONE!!!): bg Bulgarian Alexander Shopov es Spanish Daniel Mustieles fr French Bruno Brouard gl Galician Fran Diéguez hu Hungarian Attila Hammer, Gabor Kelemen pl Polish Piotr Drąg sv Swedish Daniel Nylander ====================== * Where can I get it ? ====================== Orca 3.1.5: * http://download.gnome.org/sources/orca/3.1/orca-3.1.5.tar.xz * http://download.gnome.org/sources/orca/3.1/orca-3.1.5.tar.bz2 Orca 3.1.5-xdesktop: * http://download.gnome.org/sources/orca/3.1/orca-3.1.5-xdesktop.tar.gz Enjoy! The Orca Team From albert.e.sten_clanton@verizon.net Mon Aug 15 23:09:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 186ED75016A for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 23:09:05 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.889 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.889 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.988, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DPDovUWI+ZNY for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 23:09:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8EFE7500F9 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 23:08:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ownercb76d9f6c ([unknown] [96.233.31.218]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0LPZ003UQSA2ZPD3@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:08:27 -0500 (CDT) From: "Albert Sten-Clanton" To: "'Jon'" , References: <20110815194939.GA16134@Jupiter> <4E4979F7.4070307@thewordnerd.info> <20110815221634.GA16595@Jupiter> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 19:08:12 -0400 Message-id: <354EB9C7E5574066B9395CB149D5D929@ownercb76d9f6c> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 In-reply-to: <20110815221634.GA16595@Jupiter> Thread-index: AcxbmRSPGhRpyL8GQ9mXBmfUAWKA6gABQ5ew Subject: Re: [orca-list] scope of this list X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 23:09:05 -0000 Greetings! If John's messages here prompt a revival of the Blinux list, I'm sure that will be a good thing. I sometimes have questions that would be better for that presumably generic list on Linux and the blind than for this or any other more specialized list. When I last looked at the list, though, it was unused, and you can't seek wisdom at a place where there are no wiseguys to offer it. I don't think I've been far off the topic in my questions on this list. There have been times, though, where I wasn't sure where my question belonged. If I used only Vinux or Debian or Arch, I'd add that list to my small repertoir, and would have one more place to go with questions. I think I'd have to delete well over a hundred messages if I were on all or even most of the lists people have mentioned in this thread, though, so the inconvenience is much less when dealing with both on-topic and off-topic Orca list messages that I don't need to look at. In short, on topic is of course desirable. Accurate subject lines are especially desirable. Still, I won't cry a river if (though maybe an occasional stream) if I have to delete messages that probably should be somewhere else. Of course, I also won't cry if the moderators find a gentle way to reduce the number of such messages. Al -----Original Message----- From: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] On Behalf Of Jon Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 6:17 PM To: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] scope of this list Thanks for your replies, @ThomasWard, yes you are saying that you want a single point of contact, and what some people feel is that maybe the blinux list should be used for this purpose, and if more specialist advise is required then one should ask the question/report the problem on the specific list. The point is not to deny helping each other, but to have this help targeted, as well as having space for feature discussions and improvement suggestions. Most of us are subscribed to these various mailing lists, but when I go to the blinux list I am happy and have the time to help, and when i read the orca list i want to see if someone has reported a problem that i've come across, or if i wish to discuss a particular feature. I know for certain that I am not the only person that do this. It is just a little bit of a colture difference for people that come from windows, and its another small thing that we all had to learn at some point. The idea is not to be negative or unhelpful, but to be constructive and guide people to the right channels. @CraigBlake, I can't remember if the various email lists are linked to from the orca wiki, I will look and update if they are not there already. Yes, discussion of features/improvements are very much ontopic for this list. If your idea is very clear and you don't wish to discuss it with other users first, then you can open a bugzilla ticket with your feature request/improvement with a detailed description. Sometimes we reach a consensis then a ticket is opened. If the suggestions are unrelated, then one email per suggestion with a good subject please :) @Nolan, it would be a shame if all of us old orca list members unsubscribed, it is better if we try to work together to remind each other when we go off topic, otherwise you would not be the only one to unsubscribe, and our orca would be the worse off. @ChristopherChaltain, liberal is good, but having to delete over 100 messages for the last few weeks unrelated to orca or orca specific features is not ideal. If you want a comparison just look at the archive of the last two months, and the same two months from two years ago, and look at the ratio between related/unrelated messages. Your point of having good clear subject lines is very valuable, most these things are mensioned in the orca list guidelines linked to at the bottom of each orca list email: http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines It is excellent that we are getting more users and every single one is welcome. @mattias, the blinux list would be more active if more people asked questions there. Thanks. On Mon 15/08/11,14:56, Nolan Darilek wrote: > On 08/15/2011 02:49 PM, Jon wrote: > >Do people feel the same/any other views? > > > > > > Absolutely. I've brought this up many times previously, and generally > people agree, but nothing gets done. I was thinking that I might just > leave the list this time. > > I get that it seems nice to help people, and to answer off-topic > questions. However, think of what would happen if *everyone* on *every > list* did that. If my Scala list is spammed with Ruby questions, my > ATX Hackerspace group gets postings on San Francisco events, and my > Android list gets overwhelmed by questions from iPhone users, then > what's the point of mailing lists? For every one person who says "I > can't get my wireless to work. I use Orca. I'll send that to the Orca > list!" hundreds of us spend time deleting. And just where do we draw > the line in that case? At the moment I'm learning about internet > marketing. I use Orca. Should I start posting questions about > advertising and affiliate marketing here because I happen to use Orca > while doing these things? > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelin > es Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out > how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From suserocks@bryen.com Mon Aug 15 23:24:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CA4E7501A5 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 23:24:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3uLuKjPwdRR5 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 23:24:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B078C7500F9 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 23:24:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyd10 with SMTP id 10so5001087gyd.27 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 16:24:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.181.4 with SMTP id k4mr4853777yhm.229.1313450674922; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 16:24:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.15.134] ([184.78.118.99]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f4sm4612831yhn.69.2011.08.15.16.24.33 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 15 Aug 2011 16:24:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "Bryen M. Yunashko" To: orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <354EB9C7E5574066B9395CB149D5D929@ownercb76d9f6c> References: <20110815194939.GA16134@Jupiter> <4E4979F7.4070307@thewordnerd.info> <20110815221634.GA16595@Jupiter> <354EB9C7E5574066B9395CB149D5D929@ownercb76d9f6c> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:22:09 -0500 Message-ID: <1313450529.17738.551.camel@linux-vpc2.site> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.30.1.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] scope of this list X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: suserocks@bryen.com List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 23:24:48 -0000 Since the gist of what I'm seeing here being discussed is that people don't know where to turn to, I have two suggestions: 1. Be courteous. When someone poses a question or starts a thread that that is off-topic, simply inform them with kind words a suggestion about a more appropriate list for their particular topic. 2. Set up a wiki page (if one doesn't exist somewhere) listing the suggested alternative lists (or forums) to go to. And include that link in the auto-sig of this mailing list. This not only benefits keeping this list clean and on-topic, but also we do a public service by helping to bring awareness of other important lists that have been neglected. Bryen M Yunashko On Mon, 2011-08-15 at 19:08 -0400, Albert Sten-Clanton wrote: > Greetings! > > If John's messages here prompt a revival of the Blinux list, I'm sure that > will be a good thing. I sometimes have questions that would be better for > that presumably generic list on Linux and the blind than for this or any > other more specialized list. When I last looked at the list, though, it was > unused, and you can't seek wisdom at a place where there are no wiseguys to > offer it. > > I don't think I've been far off the topic in my questions on this list. > There have been times, though, where I wasn't sure where my question > belonged. If I used only Vinux or Debian or Arch, I'd add that list to my > small repertoir, and would have one more place to go with questions. I > think I'd have to delete well over a hundred messages if I were on all or > even most of the lists people have mentioned in this thread, though, so the > inconvenience is much less when dealing with both on-topic and off-topic > Orca list messages that I don't need to look at. > > In short, on topic is of course desirable. Accurate subject lines are > especially desirable. Still, I won't cry a river if (though maybe an > occasional stream) if I have to delete messages that probably should be > somewhere else. Of course, I also won't cry if the moderators find a gentle > way to reduce the number of such messages. > > Al > > -----Original Message----- > From: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] On > Behalf Of Jon > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 6:17 PM > To: orca-list@gnome.org > Subject: Re: [orca-list] scope of this list > > Thanks for your replies, > > @ThomasWard, yes you are saying that you want a single point of contact, and > what some people feel is that maybe the blinux list should be used for this > purpose, and if more specialist advise is required then one should ask the > question/report the problem on the specific list. > The point is not to deny helping each other, but to have this help targeted, > as well as having space for feature discussions and improvement suggestions. > Most of us are subscribed to these various mailing lists, but when I go to > the blinux list I am happy and have the time to help, and when i read the > orca list i want to see if someone has reported a problem that i've come > across, or if i wish to discuss a particular feature. > I know for certain that I am not the only person that do this. It is just a > little bit of a colture difference for people that come from windows, and > its another small thing that we all had to learn at some point. The idea is > not to be negative or unhelpful, but to be constructive and guide people to > the right channels. > > > @CraigBlake, I can't remember if the various email lists are linked to from > the orca wiki, I will look and update if they are not there already. > Yes, discussion of features/improvements are very much ontopic for this > list. If your idea is very clear and you don't wish to discuss it with other > users first, then you can open a bugzilla ticket with your feature > request/improvement with a detailed description. Sometimes we reach a > consensis then a ticket is opened. > If the suggestions are unrelated, then one email per suggestion with a good > subject please :) > > @Nolan, it would be a shame if all of us old orca list members unsubscribed, > it is better if we try to work together to remind each other when we go off > topic, otherwise you would not be the only one to unsubscribe, and our orca > would be the worse off. > > @ChristopherChaltain, liberal is good, but having to delete over 100 > messages for the last few weeks unrelated to orca or orca specific features > is not ideal. If you want a comparison just look at the archive of the last > two months, and the same two months from two years ago, and look at the > ratio between related/unrelated messages. > Your point of having good clear subject lines is very valuable, most these > things are mensioned in the orca list guidelines linked to at the bottom of > each orca list email: > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > It is excellent that we are getting more users and every single one is > welcome. > > @mattias, the blinux list would be more active if more people asked > questions there. > > Thanks. > > On Mon 15/08/11,14:56, Nolan Darilek wrote: > > On 08/15/2011 02:49 PM, Jon wrote: > > >Do people feel the same/any other views? > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely. I've brought this up many times previously, and generally > > people agree, but nothing gets done. I was thinking that I might just > > leave the list this time. > > > > I get that it seems nice to help people, and to answer off-topic > > questions. However, think of what would happen if *everyone* on *every > > list* did that. If my Scala list is spammed with Ruby questions, my > > ATX Hackerspace group gets postings on San Francisco events, and my > > Android list gets overwhelmed by questions from iPhone users, then > > what's the point of mailing lists? For every one person who says "I > > can't get my wireless to work. I use Orca. I'll send that to the Orca > > list!" hundreds of us spend time deleting. And just where do we draw > > the line in that case? At the moment I'm learning about internet > > marketing. I use Orca. Should I start posting questions about > > advertising and affiliate marketing here because I happen to use Orca > > while doing these things? > > _______________________________________________ > > orca-list mailing list > > orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > > The manual is at > > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > > Netiquette Guidelines are at > > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelin > > es Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out > > how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to > help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From chaltain@gmail.com Mon Aug 15 23:28:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFA4C75013F for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 23:28:29 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GL0p6I83cDLE for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 23:28:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gw0-f54.google.com (mail-gw0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 813407500F9 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 23:28:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwb15 with SMTP id 15so3232021gwb.27 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 16:28:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=lxJMAtZzFlIDXle1veDSyBW2FSCnkfTSf0TiJZ8hiDs=; b=tnNB/pNRF+weoHQH5FmiRpP4YSGaiUMqq15YGH8QbkiufhsnFtFVLWjYKjjpWwqnDK 8KzO0DAbRTcfhGot4Vaja2zihJBGGZLZevw98rWgP2Kd6hHfm04oWaAgn/HX40iLAyCo uB9dzU/Xz0w6e/4NNcT1k9kDJCM/0HiAiXin8= Received: by 10.236.9.72 with SMTP id 48mr14101284yhs.173.1313450895494; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 16:28:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.113] (cpe-173-174-56-115.austin.res.rr.com [173.174.56.115]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b24sm234670yhm.53.2011.08.15.16.28.14 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 15 Aug 2011 16:28:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E49AB8E.2060905@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:28:14 -0500 From: Christopher Chaltain User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110516 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20110815194939.GA16134@Jupiter> <4E4979F7.4070307@thewordnerd.info> <20110815221634.GA16595@Jupiter> <354EB9C7E5574066B9395CB149D5D929@ownercb76d9f6c> In-Reply-To: <354EB9C7E5574066B9395CB149D5D929@ownercb76d9f6c> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] scope of this list X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 23:28:30 -0000 I agree with Al, although I may be more willing to join multiple lists and put up with the additional traffic. I agree we should find a gentle way to keep people on topic. By "liberal" I didn't mean anything goes, I just meant that we need to have a broad concept of what it means to be Orca related. Orca is just such an intrinsic part of the system for a blind person, it may not be clear to the user if they're seeing something related to Orca or something else in the system or application. I'm just afraid that if we try to adhere to closely to one persons concept of what is and is not on topic for Orca that we could create more traffic--in arguing about what is and is not on topic--than we would eliminate. I guess I'm saying that we should err on the side of a question being on topic if it's close, and put our emphasis in redirecting posts that are clearly off topic. Unfortunately, any moderation is going to frustrate some users. I know on the JAWS list there are people who are adamant that they can ask any question they want about their PC, Windows or any application, because after all, they use JAWS to use their PC! On 15/08/11 18:08, Albert Sten-Clanton wrote: > Greetings! > > If John's messages here prompt a revival of the Blinux list, I'm sure that > will be a good thing. I sometimes have questions that would be better for > that presumably generic list on Linux and the blind than for this or any > other more specialized list. When I last looked at the list, though, it was > unused, and you can't seek wisdom at a place where there are no wiseguys to > offer it. > > I don't think I've been far off the topic in my questions on this list. > There have been times, though, where I wasn't sure where my question > belonged. If I used only Vinux or Debian or Arch, I'd add that list to my > small repertoir, and would have one more place to go with questions. I > think I'd have to delete well over a hundred messages if I were on all or > even most of the lists people have mentioned in this thread, though, so the > inconvenience is much less when dealing with both on-topic and off-topic > Orca list messages that I don't need to look at. > > In short, on topic is of course desirable. Accurate subject lines are > especially desirable. Still, I won't cry a river if (though maybe an > occasional stream) if I have to delete messages that probably should be > somewhere else. Of course, I also won't cry if the moderators find a gentle > way to reduce the number of such messages. > > Al > > -----Original Message----- > From: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] On > Behalf Of Jon > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 6:17 PM > To: orca-list@gnome.org > Subject: Re: [orca-list] scope of this list > > Thanks for your replies, > > @ThomasWard, yes you are saying that you want a single point of contact, and > what some people feel is that maybe the blinux list should be used for this > purpose, and if more specialist advise is required then one should ask the > question/report the problem on the specific list. > The point is not to deny helping each other, but to have this help targeted, > as well as having space for feature discussions and improvement suggestions. > Most of us are subscribed to these various mailing lists, but when I go to > the blinux list I am happy and have the time to help, and when i read the > orca list i want to see if someone has reported a problem that i've come > across, or if i wish to discuss a particular feature. > I know for certain that I am not the only person that do this. It is just a > little bit of a colture difference for people that come from windows, and > its another small thing that we all had to learn at some point. The idea is > not to be negative or unhelpful, but to be constructive and guide people to > the right channels. > > > @CraigBlake, I can't remember if the various email lists are linked to from > the orca wiki, I will look and update if they are not there already. > Yes, discussion of features/improvements are very much ontopic for this > list. If your idea is very clear and you don't wish to discuss it with other > users first, then you can open a bugzilla ticket with your feature > request/improvement with a detailed description. Sometimes we reach a > consensis then a ticket is opened. > If the suggestions are unrelated, then one email per suggestion with a good > subject please :) > > @Nolan, it would be a shame if all of us old orca list members unsubscribed, > it is better if we try to work together to remind each other when we go off > topic, otherwise you would not be the only one to unsubscribe, and our orca > would be the worse off. > > @ChristopherChaltain, liberal is good, but having to delete over 100 > messages for the last few weeks unrelated to orca or orca specific features > is not ideal. If you want a comparison just look at the archive of the last > two months, and the same two months from two years ago, and look at the > ratio between related/unrelated messages. > Your point of having good clear subject lines is very valuable, most these > things are mensioned in the orca list guidelines linked to at the bottom of > each orca list email: > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > It is excellent that we are getting more users and every single one is > welcome. > > @mattias, the blinux list would be more active if more people asked > questions there. > > Thanks. > > On Mon 15/08/11,14:56, Nolan Darilek wrote: >> On 08/15/2011 02:49 PM, Jon wrote: >>> Do people feel the same/any other views? >>> >>> >> >> Absolutely. I've brought this up many times previously, and generally >> people agree, but nothing gets done. I was thinking that I might just >> leave the list this time. >> >> I get that it seems nice to help people, and to answer off-topic >> questions. However, think of what would happen if *everyone* on *every >> list* did that. If my Scala list is spammed with Ruby questions, my >> ATX Hackerspace group gets postings on San Francisco events, and my >> Android list gets overwhelmed by questions from iPhone users, then >> what's the point of mailing lists? For every one person who says "I >> can't get my wireless to work. I use Orca. I'll send that to the Orca >> list!" hundreds of us spend time deleting. And just where do we draw >> the line in that case? At the moment I'm learning about internet >> marketing. I use Orca. Should I start posting questions about >> advertising and affiliate marketing here because I happen to use Orca >> while doing these things? >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at >> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Netiquette Guidelines are at >> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelin >> es Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out >> how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to > help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain@gmail.com From thomasward1978@gmail.com Tue Aug 16 00:04:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E8CE750432 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 00:04:10 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GhIYdHf3mDnb for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 00:04:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com (mail-iy0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D1657501D3 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 00:03:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iye7 with SMTP id 7so11006766iye.3 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 17:03:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=IUGAPKfJKOdrW9+EFM17+rTQEKWLP6/xrjLJU94qy/U=; b=CYX6yu416vh/H4Bz9nwIoURWbr1UOL1S+cuJ6nZgMHec5nL3XyQmPmNQQ46HRXOnTh hNsx55N7bCt0yboW0nm0YgkibxYxqu9drWkc9vKfw2nYwh8O3LpGw49yGt1lyvko3NeL hWlNMbwup1WDyURwAw1aDOuyW/nOUhz5mPbPg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.52.16 with SMTP id f16mr6649171ibg.31.1313453038459; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 17:03:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.39.194 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 17:03:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <354EB9C7E5574066B9395CB149D5D929@ownercb76d9f6c> References: <20110815194939.GA16134@Jupiter> <4E4979F7.4070307@thewordnerd.info> <20110815221634.GA16595@Jupiter> <354EB9C7E5574066B9395CB149D5D929@ownercb76d9f6c> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:03:58 -0400 Message-ID: From: Thomas Ward To: orca-list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: [orca-list] scope of this list X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 00:04:10 -0000 Hi Al and all, That was my experience as well. Its all fine to recommend someone checkout the blinux list, but the last time I checked it the blinux list was pretty much dead. I can see recommending that list if it gets revived, once again becomes active, but the last time I was there it seemed to me to be very unused and forgotten about. That's why I joined say the Orca list because there is an active community talking about Linux access and applications on a fairly frequent basis. Cheers! On 8/15/11, Albert Sten-Clanton wrote: > Greetings! > > If John's messages here prompt a revival of the Blinux list, I'm sure that > will be a good thing. I sometimes have questions that would be better for > that presumably generic list on Linux and the blind than for this or any > other more specialized list. When I last looked at the list, though, it was > unused, and you can't seek wisdom at a place where there are no wiseguys to > offer it. > > I don't think I've been far off the topic in my questions on this list. > There have been times, though, where I wasn't sure where my question > belonged. If I used only Vinux or Debian or Arch, I'd add that list to my > small repertoir, and would have one more place to go with questions. I > think I'd have to delete well over a hundred messages if I were on all or > even most of the lists people have mentioned in this thread, though, so the > inconvenience is much less when dealing with both on-topic and off-topic > Orca list messages that I don't need to look at. > > In short, on topic is of course desirable. Accurate subject lines are > especially desirable. Still, I won't cry a river if (though maybe an > occasional stream) if I have to delete messages that probably should be > somewhere else. Of course, I also won't cry if the moderators find a gentle > way to reduce the number of such messages. > > Al From joanmarie.diggs@gmail.com Tue Aug 16 00:04:25 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CD5D750499 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 00:04:25 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UUd2J399ET4B for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 00:04:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 818CC7501D3 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 00:04:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vxh11 with SMTP id 11so7990165vxh.27 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 17:04:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:subject:from:to:cc:date:in-reply-to:references:content-type :x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:mime-version; bh=XrIi0//W3omIELiuyDLHel/n8WLc4sH+vewa1adwOVc=; b=UGF2XqDIhMNykLeaAJYnGQ8kYBDdQaSY9dSxeeFKU7qQ1Wl46vuOA09vTe5ipGB2iJ pCAkRbuIqC9OBMy0RgfgdSG+O2/o4t1/Rxa3JJ9ZJUjE+/fIATbaEXfzMnrBKCZcxtSk 9gSjnQ0lRKgPOM6s1dRu23CvWW2QWORoLTmf4= Received: by 10.52.72.16 with SMTP id z16mr155244vdu.395.1313453053494; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 17:04:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.35.108] (c-98-217-239-60.hsd1.nh.comcast.net [98.217.239.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ca9sm3686158vdc.15.2011.08.15.17.04.12 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 15 Aug 2011 17:04:12 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Joanmarie Diggs From: Joanmarie Diggs To: Christopher Chaltain Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:04:11 -0400 In-Reply-To: <4E49AB8E.2060905@gmail.com> References: <20110815194939.GA16134@Jupiter> <4E4979F7.4070307@thewordnerd.info> <20110815221634.GA16595@Jupiter> <354EB9C7E5574066B9395CB149D5D929@ownercb76d9f6c> <4E49AB8E.2060905@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.1.4 (3.1.4-1.fc16) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1313453052.28601.27.camel@blockhead.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] scope of this list X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 00:04:25 -0000 Hey Gang. On Mon, 2011-08-15 at 18:28 -0500, Christopher Chaltain wrote: [...] > way to keep people on topic. By "liberal" I didn't mean anything goes, I > just meant that we need to have a broad concept of what it means to be > Orca related. I agree. > Orca is just such an intrinsic part of the system for a > blind person, it may not be clear to the user if they're seeing > something related to Orca or something else in the system or > application. I think this is a reasonable assumption. And I think that it is not unreasonable to classify things as "on topic" if they specifically pertain to using upstream Orca with upstream tools. The latter being definitely GNOME, and possibly KDE/Qt -- depending on what that community wishes to do. > I'm just afraid that if we try to adhere to closely to one > persons concept of what is and is not on topic for Orca that we could > create more traffic--in arguing about what is and is not on topic--than > we would eliminate. You mean like we are heading towards now. > I guess I'm saying that we should err on the side of > a question being on topic if it's close, and put our emphasis in > redirecting posts that are clearly off topic. Agreed. > Unfortunately, any moderation is going to frustrate some users. And this is why I've tried to avoid doing so. And not counting all those 'test' messages which -- should they persist in the future -- I am indeed tempted to moderate, I personally do not think the list has gotten that flooded or that out of control. I personally like having a more open and relaxed community in which we all constructively discuss free and open accessibility solutions for users who are blind. One in which our guiding principles are common sense and respect for others rather than netiquette documents. Take care. --joanie (Orca project lead and module co-maintainer) From stormdragon2976@gmail.com Tue Aug 16 00:52:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0D8C75004D for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 00:52:15 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vjNWlzxyLvuy for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 00:52:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E55AC750021 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 00:52:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk28 with SMTP id 28so5046105gxk.27 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 17:52:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id :mime-version:x-mailer; bh=pdkRUHGW34Djy8HkL0/FnI97YO/4SN0PTG6b/vNb29M=; b=Dzt2rmj7MfOuXcEQEFnysu66Bb+oD8dV9vDaX8BwCll/rXSZZSIIBYD24bF63HdeO9 6EKexmWnUph2k8vwOyWZM5BR5TvB7qIXsMVGmCb7a6dXBbWTbx6GZFjBWTYRjqcg/5KX lU24+vsozmk4VJBNMfrBaJ1o9Tch9v1HrBi3o= Received: by 10.236.175.99 with SMTP id y63mr14581040yhl.53.1313455921084; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 17:52:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.105] ([137.118.186.73]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a29sm187408yhj.31.2011.08.15.17.51.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 15 Aug 2011 17:52:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Storm Dragon To: Orca-list In-Reply-To: <354EB9C7E5574066B9395CB149D5D929@ownercb76d9f6c> References: <20110815194939.GA16134@Jupiter> <4E4979F7.4070307@thewordnerd.info> <20110815221634.GA16595@Jupiter> <354EB9C7E5574066B9395CB149D5D929@ownercb76d9f6c> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-xLKGyowUy8+UD/yGgi14" Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:51:55 -0400 Message-ID: <1313455915.4460.30.camel@alicia-laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.3 Subject: Re: [orca-list] scope of this list X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 00:52:16 -0000 --=-xLKGyowUy8+UD/yGgi14 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, There's always the accessiblelinux list I started a while back, it has a few subscribers but not enough to make it a very useful info resource yet. It is extremely low traffic at the moment. You can subscribe by visiting: http://www.freelists.org/list/accessiblelinux I suppose a link could be put on the Wiki for anyone with questions that aren't Orca related . thanks Storm -- Vinux Publicity Coordinator: http://www.vinuxproject.org/ Registered Linux user number 508465: http://counter.li.org/ My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon: http://www.stormdragon.us/ How many Internet mail list subscribers does it take to change a lightbulb? http://goo.gl/eO4PJ Need a safe and easy way to backup and share files? Try Dropbox: http://db.tt/jeY50HR "gimme gimme shock treatment! I wanna wanna shock treatment!" Ramones On Mon, 2011-08-15 at 19:08 -0400, Albert Sten-Clanton wrote: > Greetings! > > If John's messages here prompt a revival of the Blinux list, I'm sure that > will be a good thing. I sometimes have questions that would be better for > that presumably generic list on Linux and the blind than for this or any > other more specialized list. When I last looked at the list, though, it was > unused, and you can't seek wisdom at a place where there are no wiseguys to > offer it. > > I don't think I've been far off the topic in my questions on this list. > There have been times, though, where I wasn't sure where my question > belonged. If I used only Vinux or Debian or Arch, I'd add that list to my > small repertoir, and would have one more place to go with questions. I > think I'd have to delete well over a hundred messages if I were on all or > even most of the lists people have mentioned in this thread, though, so the > inconvenience is much less when dealing with both on-topic and off-topic > Orca list messages that I don't need to look at. > > In short, on topic is of course desirable. Accurate subject lines are > especially desirable. Still, I won't cry a river if (though maybe an > occasional stream) if I have to delete messages that probably should be > somewhere else. Of course, I also won't cry if the moderators find a gentle > way to reduce the number of such messages. > > Al > > -----Original Message----- > From: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] On > Behalf Of Jon > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 6:17 PM > To: orca-list@gnome.org > Subject: Re: [orca-list] scope of this list > > Thanks for your replies, > > @ThomasWard, yes you are saying that you want a single point of contact, and > what some people feel is that maybe the blinux list should be used for this > purpose, and if more specialist advise is required then one should ask the > question/report the problem on the specific list. > The point is not to deny helping each other, but to have this help targeted, > as well as having space for feature discussions and improvement suggestions. > Most of us are subscribed to these various mailing lists, but when I go to > the blinux list I am happy and have the time to help, and when i read the > orca list i want to see if someone has reported a problem that i've come > across, or if i wish to discuss a particular feature. > I know for certain that I am not the only person that do this. It is just a > little bit of a colture difference for people that come from windows, and > its another small thing that we all had to learn at some point. The idea is > not to be negative or unhelpful, but to be constructive and guide people to > the right channels. > > > @CraigBlake, I can't remember if the various email lists are linked to from > the orca wiki, I will look and update if they are not there already. > Yes, discussion of features/improvements are very much ontopic for this > list. If your idea is very clear and you don't wish to discuss it with other > users first, then you can open a bugzilla ticket with your feature > request/improvement with a detailed description. Sometimes we reach a > consensis then a ticket is opened. > If the suggestions are unrelated, then one email per suggestion with a good > subject please :) > > @Nolan, it would be a shame if all of us old orca list members unsubscribed, > it is better if we try to work together to remind each other when we go off > topic, otherwise you would not be the only one to unsubscribe, and our orca > would be the worse off. > > @ChristopherChaltain, liberal is good, but having to delete over 100 > messages for the last few weeks unrelated to orca or orca specific features > is not ideal. If you want a comparison just look at the archive of the last > two months, and the same two months from two years ago, and look at the > ratio between related/unrelated messages. > Your point of having good clear subject lines is very valuable, most these > things are mensioned in the orca list guidelines linked to at the bottom of > each orca list email: > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > It is excellent that we are getting more users and every single one is > welcome. > > @mattias, the blinux list would be more active if more people asked > questions there. > > Thanks. > > On Mon 15/08/11,14:56, Nolan Darilek wrote: > > On 08/15/2011 02:49 PM, Jon wrote: > > >Do people feel the same/any other views? > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely. I've brought this up many times previously, and generally > > people agree, but nothing gets done. I was thinking that I might just > > leave the list this time. > > > > I get that it seems nice to help people, and to answer off-topic > > questions. However, think of what would happen if *everyone* on *every > > list* did that. If my Scala list is spammed with Ruby questions, my > > ATX Hackerspace group gets postings on San Francisco events, and my > > Android list gets overwhelmed by questions from iPhone users, then > > what's the point of mailing lists? For every one person who says "I > > can't get my wireless to work. I use Orca. I'll send that to the Orca > > list!" hundreds of us spend time deleting. And just where do we draw > > the line in that case? At the moment I'm learning about internet > > marketing. I use Orca. Should I start posting questions about > > advertising and affiliate marketing here because I happen to use Orca > > while doing these things? > > _______________________________________________ > > orca-list mailing list > > orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > > The manual is at > > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > > Netiquette Guidelines are at > > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelin > > es Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out > > how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to > help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp --=-xLKGyowUy8+UD/yGgi14 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi,
There's always the accessiblelinux list I started a while back, it has a few subscribers but not enough to make it a very useful info resource yet. It is extremely low traffic at the moment. You can subscribe by visiting:
http://www.freelists.org/list/accessiblelinux
I suppose a link could be put on the Wiki for anyone with questions that aren't Orca related .
thanks
Storm
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On Mon, 2011-08-15 at 19:08 -0400, Albert Sten-Clanton wrote: 
Greetings!

If John's messages here prompt a revival of the Blinux list, I'm sure that
will be a good thing.  I sometimes have questions that would be better for
that presumably generic list on Linux and the blind than for this or any
other more specialized list.  When I last looked at the list, though, it was
unused, and you can't seek wisdom at a place where there are no wiseguys to
offer it.  

I don't think I've been far off the topic in my questions on this list.
There have been times, though, where I wasn't sure where my question
belonged.  If I used only Vinux or Debian or Arch, I'd add that list to my
small repertoir, and would have one more place to go with questions.  I
think I'd have to delete well over a hundred messages if I were on all or
even most of the lists people have mentioned in this thread, though, so the
inconvenience is much less when dealing with both on-topic and off-topic
Orca list messages that I don't need to look at.

In short, on topic is of course desirable.  Accurate subject lines are
especially desirable.  Still, I won't cry a river if (though maybe an
occasional stream) if I have to delete messages that probably should be
somewhere else.  Of course, I also won't cry if the moderators find a gentle
way to reduce the number of such messages.

Al 

-----Original Message-----
From: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] On
Behalf Of Jon
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 6:17 PM
To: orca-list@gnome.org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] scope of this list

Thanks for your replies,

@ThomasWard, yes you are saying that you want a single point of contact, and
what some people feel is that maybe the blinux list should be used for this
purpose, and if more specialist advise is required then one should ask the
question/report the problem on the specific list.
The point is not to deny helping each other, but to have this help targeted,
as well as having space for feature discussions and improvement suggestions.
Most of us are subscribed to these various mailing lists, but when I go to
the blinux list I am happy and have the time to help, and when i read the
orca list i want to see if someone has reported a problem that i've come
across, or if i wish to discuss a particular feature.
I know for certain that I am not the only person that do this. It is just a
little bit of a colture difference for people that come from windows, and
its another small thing that we all had to learn at some point. The idea is
not to be negative or unhelpful, but to be constructive and guide people to
the right channels.


@CraigBlake, I can't remember if the various email lists are linked to from
the orca wiki, I will look and update if they are not there already.
Yes, discussion of features/improvements are very much ontopic for this
list. If your idea is very clear and you don't wish to discuss it with other
users first, then you can open a bugzilla ticket with your feature
request/improvement with a detailed description. Sometimes we reach a
consensis then a ticket is opened.
If the suggestions are unrelated, then one email per suggestion with a good
subject please :)

@Nolan, it would be a shame if all of us old orca list members unsubscribed,
it is better if we try to work together to remind each other when we go off
topic, otherwise you would not be the only one to unsubscribe, and our orca
would be the worse off.

@ChristopherChaltain, liberal is good, but having to delete over 100
messages for the last few weeks unrelated to orca or orca specific features
is not ideal. If you want a comparison just look at the archive of the last
two months, and the same two months from two years ago, and look at the
ratio between related/unrelated messages.
Your point of having good clear subject lines is very valuable, most these
things are mensioned in the orca list guidelines linked to at the bottom of
each orca list email: 
http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines
It is excellent that we are getting more users and every single one is
welcome.

@mattias, the blinux list would be more active if more people asked
questions there.

Thanks.

On Mon 15/08/11,14:56, Nolan Darilek wrote:
> On 08/15/2011 02:49 PM, Jon wrote:
> >Do people feel the same/any other views?
> >
> >
> 
> Absolutely. I've brought this up many times previously, and generally 
> people agree, but nothing gets done. I was thinking that I might just 
> leave the list this time.
> 
> I get that it seems nice to help people, and to answer off-topic 
> questions. However, think of what would happen if *everyone* on *every 
> list* did that. If my Scala list is spammed with Ruby questions, my 
> ATX Hackerspace group gets postings on San Francisco events, and my 
> Android list gets overwhelmed by questions from iPhone users, then 
> what's the point of mailing lists? For every one person who says "I 
> can't get my wireless to work. I use Orca. I'll send that to the Orca 
> list!" hundreds of us spend time deleting. And just where do we draw 
> the line in that case? At the moment I'm learning about internet 
> marketing. I use Orca. Should I start posting questions about 
> advertising and affiliate marketing here because I happen to use Orca 
> while doing these things?
> _______________________________________________
> orca-list mailing list
> orca-list@gnome.org
> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> The manual is at 
> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> Netiquette Guidelines are at 
> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelin
> es Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out 
> how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
_______________________________________________
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orca-list@gnome.org
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at
http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Netiquette Guidelines are at
http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to
help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list@gnome.org
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
--=-xLKGyowUy8+UD/yGgi14-- From linuxx64.bashsh@gmail.com Tue Aug 16 01:07:31 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@Gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@Gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05918750130 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 01:07:31 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IaJNjQ-RgZCe for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 01:07:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yi0-f54.google.com (mail-yi0-f54.google.com [209.85.218.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69A9B75004D for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 01:07:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yib19 with SMTP id 19so5029857yib.27 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:07:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=NEfXK2OJ7Dirku9Sfuv+wz+9hl9HqKixhfK2xXtNZas=; b=a8uoK8wJpWjPPJpcNb+npq95lQUwMR9TwoJLRjIvhPpEznDhJshajZyGIC6FxkHr0U WK5fY4m7YjHFWG2DFJhqZiJUZu6EO4I2cIHVo8HNjdSx0xF3v50YxiPK8WI8BLGTLa+S BfaJDgXF1e6pLHEwMacPvxciym4bWydIKrCuw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.22.131 with SMTP id t3mr14764761yht.111.1313456836091; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:07:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.109.36 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:07:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1313442171.4460.12.camel@alicia-laptop> References: <1313442171.4460.12.camel@alicia-laptop> Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:07:15 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Alex H." To: orca-list@Gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessibility of Chromium / Google Chrome X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 01:07:31 -0000 Hi, I am not too familiar compiling source, but can test dev builds. I am particularly interested in some sort of testing repo like Storm suggested. A lot of people know how Orca works but wouldn't want to deal with the technical know-how to get it up and running. Cheers! Alex On 8/15/11, Storm Dragon wrote: > Hi, > I am willing to help test patches. I am currently using Vinux 3.0 which > is based on Ubuntu 10.04 Lucid. another idea may be to subscribe to the > Vinux support list and see if someone won't add the patched versions to > the testing repositories so that you can get a lot of testers who can > install it through ordinary, sudo apt-get install ... methods. > thanks > Storm > -- > Vinux Publicity Coordinator: http://www.vinuxproject.org/ > Registered Linux user number 508465: http://counter.li.org/ > My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon: http://www.stormdragon.us/ > How many Internet mail list subscribers does it take to change a lightbulb? > http://goo.gl/eO4PJ > My last.fm profile: http://www.last.fm/user/stormdragon2976 > "Have you ever been alone at night, thought you heard footsteps behind, and > turned around and no one's there? And as you quicken up your pace you'll > find it hard to look again because you're sure that someone's there." > Iron Maiden > > > > On Mon, 2011-08-15 at 16:18 -0500, Kyle wrote: > >> Count me. In! I'm not a developer, but if compiling from source isn't too >> tricky, I've been dying to bang around on this thing, so I'll definitely >> be interested in applying and testing any accessibility patches. >> ~Kyle >> Sent from my Wishdroid! :) >> >> ________________ Reply Header ________________ >> Subject: [orca-list] Accessibility of Chromium / Google Chrome >> Author: "Dominic Mazzoni" >> Date: August 15th 2011 15:10 >> >> Hello, >> >> I'm one of the developers of Chrome accessibility support at Google. I >> know that there's been some interest in making Chrome accessible with >> Orca on Linux, so I decided to join this list to talk about it some >> more. >> >> To answer some questions from previous posts, yes, Chrome does use >> GTK+, so making the user interface accessible will be relatively easy. >> Unfortunately, Chrome does not use the GTK+ port of Webkit, and there >> are technical reasons why it's not possible for us to use that code >> directly, so we'd have to rewrite most of that code. >> >> My question is, are there any Orca / GTK+ developers on this list who >> would be interested in working on this with us? Based on my experience >> making Chrome accessible on Windows and Mac, making a web browser >> accessible is very tricky and complicated, and almost impossible >> without some help from someone who's really familiar with the screen >> reader's source code. Ideally I'd like to find someone who'd be >> willing to compile Chromium from source and then help test patches >> that make it accessible and help debug things when Orca doesn't behave >> as expected. >> >> - Dominic >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at >> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Netiquette Guidelines are at >> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at >> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Netiquette Guidelines are at >> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > From jason@jasonjgw.net Tue Aug 16 01:26:49 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 458067500F9 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 01:26:49 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.472 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.472 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, KHOP_DYNAMIC=1.023, RCVD_IN_BRBL_LASTEXT=1.449] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FfriEp6-eD1i for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 01:26:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from jdc.jasonjgw.net (ppp198-218.static.internode.on.net [59.167.198.218]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED1B075004D for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 01:26:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by jdc.jasonjgw.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 71117181090BF; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 11:26:36 +1000 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=jasonjgw.net; s=mail; t=1313457996; bh=iRTQkhOsp+pxT9+oK0+Wx6LnS9HqOTydwHvaPN3Vz2o=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:In-Reply-To; b=yiTVPG9oFIt13qVaA7EWSPzBeIzdlJmo4b9uObMJ8so9f0jlLp0GC/6OiF0xJOYya x/bRyChJIAQhc78Rjf0yDVODBLSSekuClfCYJ8a3WfvZ1duiZlGscWcLmBN7XPENNZ sc6ncHjguJq6pk9L9CvVSHQC2u9FgJRkltkkDVsc= Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 11:26:36 +1000 From: Jason White To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110816012636.GA6849@jdc.jasonjgw.net> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessibility of Chromium / Google Chrome X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 01:26:49 -0000 Dominic Mazzoni wrote: > Ideally I'd like to find someone who'd be > willing to compile Chromium from source and then help test patches > that make it accessible and help debug things when Orca doesn't behave > as expected. I am interested in this effort, and I would also like to get ChromeVox working. The problem with the latter is that I don't know how to obtain useful debugging information, given that the Chrome/Chromium user interface isn't accessible under Linux when ChromeVox isn't successfully running. One question to which I don't have an answer is whether the Debian package of Chromium includes the accessibility and TTS extensions needed by ChromeVox, but I can pursue this inquiry further if nobody else is already doing so. I am also in a position to compile software from source code and to apply patches, given build instructions. If anyone is already building Debian packages then I can obviously download those instead of duplicating effort. I know just enough C++ to be able to understand the syntax and read code, but not enough to program well in it. From joanmarie.diggs@gmail.com Tue Aug 16 01:54:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78B287500F9 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 01:54:17 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D8Elbe9lB5AY for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 01:54:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF1E375004D for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 01:54:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vxh11 with SMTP id 11so8078166vxh.27 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:54:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=S2o4DC6YKGnwUiSRNA3jcOplV7gj2ulR3V0GGMXTLa4=; b=vS1OXc5BY6lVzVafXr8lPpLb8kJCnD0agRCXthdePlR/TY48lbEYiHI5RRYHKD/njB /T+tikpeRfHPJ4mkgbHZxzXNMz0CI9WqadaRma04IVHtN4FYqcjzUyuWvK2NFF09TGSd 65gMfypWSAM9muSQ1cvk53/a/g18Nt2SxI77o= Received: by 10.52.96.1 with SMTP id do1mr2075179vdb.355.1313459645032; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:54:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: joanmarie.diggs@gmail.com Received: by 10.52.107.98 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:53:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Joanmarie Diggs Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:53:45 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: sNnazf8oZsrFUHvFVFEa9S9Wd0I Message-ID: To: Dominic Mazzoni Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessibility of Chromium / Google Chrome X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 01:54:17 -0000 Hi Dominic. On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 16:10, Dominic Mazzoni wrote: > Hello, > > I'm one of the developers of Chrome accessibility support at Google. I > know that there's been some interest in making Chrome accessible with > Orca on Linux, so I decided to join this list to talk about it some > more. Awesome! Welcome and thank you for doing so. > My question is, are there any Orca / GTK+ developers on this list who > would be interested in working on this with us? Gosh yes. Count me in. > Ideally I'd like to find someone who'd be > willing to compile Chromium from source and then help test patches > that make it accessible and help debug things when Orca doesn't behave > as expected. I'd be happy to. Take care. --joanie From dmazzoni@google.com Tue Aug 16 04:47:21 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7481D750130 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 04:47:21 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.29 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.29 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.988, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ss1sp-o4rfVh for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 04:47:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-out.google.com (smtp-out.google.com [74.125.121.67]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 594A97500DB for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 04:47:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wpaz9.hot.corp.google.com (wpaz9.hot.corp.google.com [172.24.198.73]) by smtp-out.google.com with ESMTP id p7G4l8Wb005814 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:47:08 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=beta; t=1313470028; bh=G9di4T5v4SKKq8VKyP2ZAkOiTak=; h=MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Date:Message-ID:Subject:From: To:Cc:Content-Type; b=nzYfTIipOAS4mGfc+Hv+jZ3p96RkpUtkgTG8Z49/oYJ0gR0FD81u8L7t72GcAOK5N u9AOuSESvG2SFqhbehpWA== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=beta; d=google.com; c=nofws; q=dns; h=dkim-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date: message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-system-of-record; b=SIUtvSq3G7KG58SSNBSGJymf3gO6lb/se528TQTR0sjgXasNGfU7/51forvgjnS80 6oMJPplqPsVIm1ZPxtaTA== Received: from iyf40 (iyf40.prod.google.com [10.241.50.104]) by wpaz9.hot.corp.google.com with ESMTP id p7G4kZZ0008123 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:47:07 -0700 Received: by iyf40 with SMTP id 40so10619834iyf.5 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:47:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=beta; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=MZ41UJNIhNVhcUIAXiEZW3GRiaxqHUHerK+Vcn5ssJc=; b=D1KFG5ToWwoDgOabbhEpx8LcGVdOzLflzhvooDPaUdz9RmLJmwfh2whaH/+TLLcnse 455Y20V96AZqSgafrySQ== Received: by 10.42.145.10 with SMTP id d10mr5510221icv.177.1313470027032; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:47:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.145.10 with SMTP id d10mr5510215icv.177.1313470026841; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:47:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.14.11 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:47:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:47:06 -0700 Message-ID: From: Dominic Mazzoni To: Joanmarie Diggs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-System-Of-Record: true Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessibility of Chromium / Google Chrome X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 04:47:21 -0000 Thanks to everyone for the great response. It sounds like there's a lot of interest. I'll try to get some initial infrastructure in place to get Chromium to expose its web contents using ATK - which may take me some time - and then Joanie, maybe I'll reach out to you off-list to get some help setting it up properly so that Orca actually reads it as a web page. Best, - Dominic From jason@jasonjgw.net Tue Aug 16 06:23:07 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ORCA-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: ORCA-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 186CB750024 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 06:23:07 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.472 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.472 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, KHOP_DYNAMIC=1.023, RCVD_IN_BRBL_LASTEXT=1.449] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7v6ev962JXhc for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 06:23:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from jdc.jasonjgw.net (ppp198-218.static.internode.on.net [59.167.198.218]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2A84750021 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 06:22:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by jdc.jasonjgw.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 965C7180638D7; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 16:22:54 +1000 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=jasonjgw.net; s=mail; t=1313475774; bh=v6csedzSrT58+KATatLtWxpjpOlcOcoTvO5p47e4cFc=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=3RXJ3fimmsBYAHwbkqOua8FB5Q7NlbcCw/fh47NAOuFdLj3RYz218rwTT2HxiHi84 WDmZ/5HOiSK6bUd/KZnJj362ewOXyPjwA0b7aadY+rWFzx0QDUVML7JNQl58lo+K4H /GGKCL3Qv9dYvK/uiv7KaX+8S114N/yR/ah/Zyf8= Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 16:22:54 +1000 From: Jason White To: ORCA-list Message-ID: <20110816062254.GA23553@jdc.jasonjgw.net> Mail-Followup-To: ORCA-list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: [orca-list] Firefox 6 (with Aria improvements) X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 06:23:07 -0000 In the release notes of Firefox 6: https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Firefox_6_for_developers it is mentioned that several Aria bugs were fixed. See the above reference for the details. The change in the behaviour of textarea fields is also notable, as this may affect Orca users. Firefox 6 is in Debian Unstable already (I'm downloading it now) and it may be released soon in other distributions that have a rolling updated policy. From mwhapples@aim.com Tue Aug 16 10:27:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCD3A75008C for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 10:27:53 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.89 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.89 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EG4rVX6a1ZcI for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 10:27:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (imr-ma05.mx.aol.com [64.12.100.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77E7575002B for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 10:27:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mtaout-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.197]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p7GARZWS027979 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 06:27:35 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.73] (mwhapples.plus.com [80.229.137.216]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-db05.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 13541E00008F for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 06:27:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4E4A460E.8060807@aim.com> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 11:27:26 +0100 From: Michael Whapples User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110813 Thunderbird/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20110815194939.GA16134@Jupiter> In-Reply-To: <20110815194939.GA16134@Jupiter> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:465985344:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33c54e4a4616612d X-AOL-IP: 80.229.137.216 Subject: Re: [orca-list] scope of this list X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 10:27:54 -0000 Hello, I guess much of what I have to say has probably already been said, however I will give my view so as to help in show what the weighting of views might be. While the idea of keeping list to there topics and try and do that tightly might sound desirable, I think it isn't helpful and may actually be negative. Firstly it isn't always clear as to what is on and off topic for a list. OK, some criteria has been laid out, however even that has grey areas. Where might such a question as "The distribution I use (distribution X) has served me well, I find that now there integration of gnome accessibility has become poorer and so distribution X is poor to use. What distributions might people suggest me to try and use which will give me a good experience of using gnome with orca? Please keep in mind that I have come from distribution X and I like how that distribution works for system administration (IE. its package manager, etc)." Well it might belong on the orca-list as I want to know about the experience of using Orca, but I feel under what has been said may be it should be on the blinux list as I am really asking about the accessibility of distributions. Another approach might say, well you really should be going to the lists/forums of distribution X and trying to get them to fix the accessibility issues. Also may be other distribution X users might be able to point you towards other distributions which have similar tools for system administration. I guess yet another approach might be to say, have in mind some distributions you are interested in (IE. for this case those which are similar to distribution X) and then go round those distribution lists asking how well accessibility works on those distributions. So for a very simple looking question we have potentially four approaches of where to go. This leads to my second point, with so many options for where might be appropriate to ask, should on topic rules be too strict then this may lead to someone being too concerned for being told "clear off this is not the list for that" that they may just decide to not ask the question at all. Should people feel unable to ask questions they need to know the answer to, either they will be very unproductive or they may decide to give up on Linux and Orca as they cannot get what they need to do done. Even more technical questions which may seem more Orca specific may actually not turn out to really be an Orca issue. An example is that on my archlinux system libreoffice seems to be inaccessible with Orca. This might be an LibreOffice issue, it might be an Orca issue, it might be something to do with at-spi or it may even be an ArchLinux specific issue. Other than the second case, I guess under what you say report the issue here could be off topic. I feel Orca is too connected with other parts of the system to be properly separated from them at times, therefore there are times when you will have to live with some overlap. Finally, although I am saying we should be accepting of the scope being broader than Orca and just Orca, we should all try and use some common sense when posting. May be asking questions like: Is this something of interest to Orca users (eg. there was a post about voiceman, while not about Orca it was something which I might have been interested in, so I would still consider relevant), might Orca users/developers be the best people to assist with this or are there better people to ask. OK, I did say finally on the last paragraph, but this just occurred to me, may be the best response those of us in the know can do if there is a clearly off topic posting is to try and educate the person on where to go. Politely point out that this is the Orca list, people here use Orca but probably will use a variety of distributions and so will not be an expert in that specific matter and suggest that they may find experts in the matter on another list (name the list). Michael Whapples On -10/01/37 20:59, Jon wrote: > Dear all, > > A general note, > I feel that the orca list has been diluted recently to include a lot of topics > that belong on several other lists. I don't know if you feel the same. > > I know that it would be good to have one point of contact, but this > means that we all have to see unrelated posts and that we get less > productive. > > > Please remember: > * the orca list, is for discussing orca related problems, and how a > particular problem should be solved if we have alternatives. > * general linux discussions and accessibility of each distro may be > discussed on the blinux list > * vinux related questions should be on the vinux mailing list > * ubuntu/unity problems may be best discusssed on the ubuntu > accessibility mailing list. > > Do people feel the same/any other views? > > Thank you > > From msanchez@igalia.com Tue Aug 16 10:58:25 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D932B75013E for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 10:58:25 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.744 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.744 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779, TW_GT=0.077] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CBoDZIAYgQuC for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 10:58:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp4.mundo-r.com (smtp4.mundo-r.com [212.51.32.151]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 025BF7500F0 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 10:58:13 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AggUAKpMSk5bdWOb/2dsb2JhbABBmSSIM1aGeYFAAQEEAVYiBgsLGAkWDwkDAgECAScQAQ0TCAEBFodWArpbhkcEkxKQdw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.67,379,1309730400"; d="scan'208";a="403852603" Received: from 155.99.117.91.static.mundo-r.com (HELO fanzine.igalia.com) ([91.117.99.155]) by smtp4.mundo-r.com with ESMTP; 16 Aug 2011 12:58:11 +0200 Received: from maestria.local.igalia.com ([192.168.10.14] helo=mail.igalia.com) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtps (Cipher TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim) id 1QtHLX-0000dv-8l for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 12:58:11 +0200 Received: from ip191.dynamic.igalia.com ([192.168.10.191]) by mail.igalia.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1QtHLX-0002Zn-1R for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 12:58:11 +0200 Message-ID: <4E4A4D42.7040102@igalia.com> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 12:58:10 +0200 From: Mario Sanchez Prada User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:5.0) Gecko/20110707 Thunderbird/5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.2.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessibility of Chromium / Google Chrome X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 10:58:26 -0000 Hi, As one of the developers working in a11y support in the WKGTK port, I'm very happy about this (very good) piece of news :-) On 08/15/2011 10:10 PM, Dominic Mazzoni wrote: > [...] > Unfortunately, Chrome does not use the GTK+ port of Webkit, and there > are technical reasons why it's not possible for us to use that code > directly, so we'd have to rewrite most of that code. Just out of curiosity, I'd like to know (as far as it's possible) some details about why it was not possible. I imagine using the same source code base of WK (that is, the chromium port) for all the versions of chrome could be easier than using each WK port for each version of chrome, but maybe I'm wrong. Anyway, as I said, just wondering :-) > My question is, are there any Orca / GTK+ developers on this list who > would be interested in working on this with us? Based on my experience > making Chrome accessible on Windows and Mac, making a web browser > accessible is very tricky and complicated and almost impossible > without some help from someone who's really familiar with the screen > reader's source code. I cannot agree more :-) > Ideally I'd like to find someone who'd be willing to compile Chromium > from source and then help test patches that make it accessible and help > debug things when Orca doesn't behave as expected. I know how to build WK (at least the gtk port) and also the chromium browser on my Linux machine (ideally a release build, dynamically linked -otherwise I usually find problems), as well as ORCA and the ATK/AT-SPI needs, so I think I could help on this too, whenever time permits :-) Hope this helps. Thanks, Mario From vilmar@informal.com.br Tue Aug 16 14:03:35 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95E3975013A for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:03:35 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NLsPohqHQ3hY for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:03:32 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 1093 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at menubar.gnome.org; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:03:32 UTC Received: from relay03.email.alog.com.br (relay03.email.alog.com.br [200.219.210.26]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06FA7750093 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:03:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.2.14.68] (unknown [200.152.34.2]) (Authenticated sender: vilmar@informal.com.br) by relay03.email.alog.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTPA id A688C380437F for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 10:45:07 -0300 (BRT) Message-ID: <4E4A7459.5050503@informal.com.br> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 10:44:57 -0300 From: =?UTF-8?B?Sm9zw6kgVmlsbWFyIEVzdMOhY2lvIGRlIFNvdXph?= Organization: Informal Informatica User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110617 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessibility of Chromium / Google Chrome X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: vilmar@informal.com.br List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:03:36 -0000 HI. I think that I can help in someway. At least compiling and testing. On 08/15/2011 05:10 PM, Dominic Mazzoni wrote: > Hello, > > I'm one of the developers of Chrome accessibility support at Google. I > know that there's been some interest in making Chrome accessible with > Orca on Linux, so I decided to join this list to talk about it some > more. > > To answer some questions from previous posts, yes, Chrome does use > GTK+, so making the user interface accessible will be relatively easy. > Unfortunately, Chrome does not use the GTK+ port of Webkit, and there > are technical reasons why it's not possible for us to use that code > directly, so we'd have to rewrite most of that code. > > My question is, are there any Orca / GTK+ developers on this list who > would be interested in working on this with us? Based on my experience > making Chrome accessible on Windows and Mac, making a web browser > accessible is very tricky and complicated, and almost impossible > without some help from someone who's really familiar with the screen > reader's source code. Ideally I'd like to find someone who'd be > willing to compile Chromium from source and then help test patches > that make it accessible and help debug things when Orca doesn't behave > as expected. > > - Dominic > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > From dmazzoni@google.com Mon Aug 15 14:37:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4092B75008E for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 14:37:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.213 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.213 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.988, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_NV=0.077] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ixzhnde9Vn02 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 14:37:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-out.google.com (smtp-out.google.com [74.125.121.67]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E597750081 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 14:37:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wpaz17.hot.corp.google.com (wpaz17.hot.corp.google.com [172.24.198.81]) by smtp-out.google.com with ESMTP id p7FEbifB031329 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 07:37:44 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=beta; t=1313419065; bh=EGVBiNwLym82fqNXylBT4dH2TuA=; h=MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Date:Message-ID:Subject:From: To:Cc:Content-Type; b=EpjuFhEViRNcDNPI/rLcqCHNsIpITF396pp6I7uK8ROcmJ8shGwM5CdB8UzQ//5iA f9JzKHw5hAUgAOdDDA/LQ== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=beta; d=google.com; c=nofws; q=dns; h=dkim-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date: message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-system-of-record; b=jWfDgJIxS9mjI5J7DlHx4Pcwij86ijvBpWlOFpMjFNFECo04IyBG87JtO0dfGoHCE wjYMDUh3HKQTBjEQoLtMA== Received: from iyk2 (iyk2.prod.google.com [10.241.51.130]) by wpaz17.hot.corp.google.com with ESMTP id p7FEbgcS001338 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 07:37:43 -0700 Received: by iyk2 with SMTP id 2so7548631iyk.32 for ; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 07:37:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=beta; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=nPPuVDrCJOFM8sumvyUE+lkTuyZHxpb69uXx4wXMrWA=; b=RCrM1+dzjBAJzxJ5K5gIZLcTNffY9S10+4WhAzhcnXSn9Tgu3PsCGmp0tCO562XHeG snH5lgBwuxyZcuA2ldOA== Received: by 10.231.57.37 with SMTP id a37mr5219186ibh.69.1313419062722; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 07:37:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.57.37 with SMTP id a37mr5219179ibh.69.1313419062520; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 07:37:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.14.11 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Aug 2011 07:37:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 07:37:42 -0700 Message-ID: From: Dominic Mazzoni To: NVDA screen reader development Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-System-Of-Record: true X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:45:04 +0000 Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] [NVDA-dev] Accessibility of chromium X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 14:37:58 -0000 Tom, I'm one of the Chromium developers at Google. On Windows, Chromium accessibility is improving in each new version - I'd highly recommend you check out the dev channel to see more recent improvements. Most recently we added support for multiline text editing and tables with rowspan or colspan. Support for combo boxes is coming shortly, and after that I think all of the user interface elements will be done, all that's left will be fixing bugs. If you'd like to send more feedback, we created a chromium-accessibility group for discussion. Anyone on this nvda list is welcome to join. http://groups.google.com/a/chromium.org/group/chromium-accessibility As for Linux, many of us use ChromeVox - an extension that makes Chrome self-voicing. This is what we're using for Chrome OS accessibility, and it works on desktop Linux as well. http://code.google.com/p/google-axs-chrome/ We don't have plans to support Linux screen readers now, but if there's enough interest and if there's support from the authors of Linux screen readers, that would be a possibility. If you know anyone who works on Orca or other Linux screen reader software who is interested in working with us, feel free to put them in contact with me. - Dominic On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Tom Masterson wrote: > What is the current state of accessibility of Chromium Web Browser in both > windows and linux? > > Tom > > _______________________________________________ > NVDA-dev mailing list > NVDA-dev@lists.nvaccess.org > http://lists.nvaccess.org/listinfo/nvda-dev > From dmazzoni@google.com Tue Aug 16 14:46:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF392750387 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:46:28 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.298 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.298 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.073, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 49KFSRO7b+OR for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:46:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-out.google.com (smtp-out.google.com [216.239.44.51]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCC6B7500C2 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:46:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hpaq2.eem.corp.google.com (hpaq2.eem.corp.google.com [172.25.149.2]) by smtp-out.google.com with ESMTP id p7GEkGpn011233 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 07:46:16 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=beta; t=1313505976; bh=WAmQmMqRuhc9rCTgXQ/YojJoI08=; h=MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:References:Date:Message-ID:Subject:From: To:Cc:Content-Type; b=pP4Sg6a6VT/bvtgWhXiCyAhr2VeHj+atwE5FwE2/wvYMx5xlN13nIA1x4ehDQqt7p QBn1q0WDM4Ka9KEopmMdA== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=beta; d=google.com; c=nofws; q=dns; h=dkim-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date: message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-system-of-record; b=DoA5tcVFPv7UYT/44mj9SnCLwgwlML0uV/bslGhEh6TrPAMj0EjA7tf0IM1L2woBC PRP6RstHe21QM9laMnmjw== Received: from iye16 (iye16.prod.google.com [10.241.50.16]) by hpaq2.eem.corp.google.com with ESMTP id p7GEkDFI012465 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 07:46:14 -0700 Received: by iye16 with SMTP id 16so9722053iye.1 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 07:46:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=beta; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=n5DkzVu8BOKjDzMYrPa2scihutQEPcQnoFIdlUZom+Y=; b=scibtiYAVo2JI7tB6LZtGgtHe0228BNGA9OrZhsn2SnaOxCIMCtSyfUOwyDPwGFetR rI6ZmvfAk5t4WAd8q7qQ== Received: by 10.42.156.137 with SMTP id z9mr188169icw.110.1313505973632; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 07:46:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.156.137 with SMTP id z9mr188164icw.110.1313505973351; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 07:46:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.38.13 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 07:46:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4E4A4D42.7040102@igalia.com> References: <4E4A4D42.7040102@igalia.com> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 07:46:13 -0700 Message-ID: From: Dominic Mazzoni To: Mario Sanchez Prada Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-System-Of-Record: true Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessibility of Chromium / Google Chrome X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:46:29 -0000 On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 3:58 AM, Mario Sanchez Prada wrote: >> Unfortunately, Chrome does not use the GTK+ port of Webkit, and there >> are technical reasons why it's not possible for us to use that code >> directly, so we'd have to rewrite most of that code. > > Just out of curiosity, I'd like to know (as far as it's possible) some > details about why it was not possible. For security, Chromium creates a separate renderer process for each tab you have open. These processes each run their own instance of WebKit but they're completely sandboxed so they can't access the operating system - they just receive events from Chromium's main process and send back bitmaps and other metadata. So Chromium's renderer processes don't use a platform-specific port of WebKit, they use a special Chromium port, that shuttles the rendered webpage, including accessibility data, back to the main process securely. It sounds cumbersome but it's actually very fast and efficient, and the total isolation means that it's very hard for a bug in the code running in one tab to result in a security vulnerability. > I know how to build WK (at least the gtk port) and also the chromium > browser on my Linux machine (ideally a release build, dynamically linked > -otherwise I usually find problems), as well as ORCA and the ATK/AT-SPI > needs, so I think I could help on this too, whenever time permits :-) That's great! I'm glad to see there are so many people on this list who will be able to try things out at the source level, that should make it a lot easier. - Dominic From znvyyvfgf@gmail.com Tue Aug 16 18:19:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B682750085 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 18:19:28 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4fpwYsC1mkzF for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 18:19:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 559277500C2 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 18:19:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws18 with SMTP id 18so271912vws.27 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 11:19:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=zBe6X8WLeeK9t+7y4+6J/4QlG5oS0uxF6vZAYQsyrZk=; b=VF9CyF2mKKa0gR/fZEM8+E+DYBugtjrsYxiHC3iM6UcXqpg8L+DFcJOLGgbdnBTTGl u0H1GgMSg7ieafyBWtYU1mSySVPBUjELGvAbGTKsY83ljfxlqBowvXn5RJfkhkb6wg9+ 6Ns/bVd0jbRkSgVpmHJRG9VeWrnEU/r+c1qnI= Received: by 10.52.77.5 with SMTP id o5mr60500vdw.83.1313518756173; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 11:19:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (c-76-127-93-92.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [76.127.93.92]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id er5sm353144vdb.26.2011.08.16.11.19.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 16 Aug 2011 11:19:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 11:24:20 -0700 From: Frost To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110816182420.GA19037@rivensight.dyndns.org> References: <1313376563.3154.5.camel@ubuntu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1313376563.3154.5.camel@ubuntu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Alternative to Ubuntu? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 18:19:28 -0000 On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 03:49:23AM +0100, Craig Blake wrote: > I'm looking for a distribution of Linux that is accessible by Orca but > also isn't so graphically mind-bogglingly stupid. Well, Debian Squeeze is pretty accessible, but like with most things, it leaves something to be desired in the documentation department. I'm always hunting off-site for help where things like SpeakUp and things are concerned. The console works great, once you find the documentation on the web on how to start the stewpid thing, and Orca seems to work pretty well, though I don't use the GUI much. edbrowse hasn't seen an update in 4 years, because it needs a couple extra includes in the sourcecode for it to work with Debian, but all in all, I very rarely boot up Windows any more.. Michael From znvyyvfgf@gmail.com Tue Aug 16 18:31:50 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 803577500C2 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 18:31:50 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dFw165GtkTRp for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 18:31:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0016750093 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 18:31:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws18 with SMTP id 18so289557vws.27 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 11:31:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=WbLZEA6psyU1h6G2xAv8w0J3GK42w0j8G1sXMyLYKU0=; b=cpYs1XqXjnpjNsAW0+1qzszJWoUuUlzK9szMFCjew0KN4y8rUhv6cqmojtGkjDBl+L qG22y2NEJE7wAavB2IA5NRQnjyYCulb3xO231Fxv4K0gWNNhw/f04OJcZq0jAxnC+lHd 9W407AnkA6WqzXcAxaIVlU3Zx5WzayAa6JVU0= Received: by 10.52.94.109 with SMTP id db13mr31634vdb.366.1313519498980; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 11:31:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (c-76-127-93-92.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [76.127.93.92]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ca9sm370567vdc.3.2011.08.16.11.31.37 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 16 Aug 2011 11:31:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 11:36:43 -0700 From: Frost To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110816183643.GB19037@rivensight.dyndns.org> References: <20110815194939.GA16134@Jupiter> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110815194939.GA16134@Jupiter> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: [orca-list] scope of this list X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 18:31:50 -0000 On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 08:49:39PM +0100, Jon wrote: > I know that it would be good to have one point of contact, but this > means that we all have to see unrelated posts and that we get less > productive. I think it's less productive to subscribe to 40 different mailing lists and wading through some 500 posts per day. What a waste of time, scrolling through everything, looking for anything useful/important/relevant. Lots easier to just google it and ditch the mailing list altogether, because you can't discuss anything here without someone complaining about it and wasting even more bandwidth. Michael From thomasward1978@gmail.com Tue Aug 16 20:24:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C1A6750215 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 20:24:17 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wpMc3l-qObqe for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 20:24:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com (mail-iy0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DD487501AD for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 20:24:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-iy0-f172.google.com with SMTP id 7so482071iye.3 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 13:24:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=oj9BWE+13SS79ISu87pvNr2OtpvMaszPUO/L/Uyccvg=; b=FvMgPRxwHCPuCHFs1FNDkn2uXZZ4r0MM5ZUmtIOmOeI8uOtjXOR1QdN+zH8Obuk5Za D5fo6SsyHi2nOwQTxmfix7evPlnW7S9qYSwG/UviSb/fVEiND+oal8DuwXxrify+9AEh uawpJyaUCYOleQME76GWayymnn+m0eCq1q3TY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.67.142 with SMTP id r14mr254674ibi.44.1313526254991; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 13:24:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.39.194 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 13:24:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1313376563.3154.5.camel@ubuntu> References: <1313376563.3154.5.camel@ubuntu> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 16:24:14 -0400 Message-ID: From: Thomas Ward To: orca-list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Alternative to Ubuntu? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 20:24:17 -0000 Hi, You might try Vinux. That's agreat distribution. Its based on Ubuntu, but several things have been updated or changed to be more accessible out of the box. Either that or you can try Debian I've had decent success with Debian in the past. Cheers! On 8/14/11, Craig Blake wrote: > Hello all, > > I'm pretty fed up of the way Ubuntu is in 11.04, even on the classic > Gnome. > > I'm looking for a distribution of Linux that is accessible by Orca but > also isn't so graphically mind-bogglingly stupid. > > Pretty sick of Ubuntu and Windows for their graphics, and at least Apple > make a good go at making their operating system accessible. Sigh. > > Any help please? How about Fedora? Wouldn't mind going Red Hat since I'm > into web development. > > Regards, > Craig From jason@jasonjgw.net Wed Aug 17 03:40:49 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Delivered-To: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC97D75002F for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 03:40:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.217 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.217 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, KHOP_DYNAMIC=0.768, RCVD_IN_BRBL_LASTEXT=1.449] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id itiOz8fxQg+L for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 03:40:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from jdc.jasonjgw.net (ppp198-218.static.internode.on.net [59.167.198.218]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEAB375001A for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 03:40:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by jdc.jasonjgw.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7677518073060; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 13:40:35 +1000 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=jasonjgw.net; s=mail; t=1313552435; bh=MXLtWgq3+dXMgPtceJXeZQ6/P8GF6z3OxUmjnMSbLis=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=bLC0ZaP7C+1fh6nEcSK76eW1hPITedMP4sXGsQuiNL6bp9rZSA+fQefwH3/TS5y4L +fbgrYh3xq/48Q+K7amyUU9jrCOq6u8BTd2+jIita46ITvjzbgzcIueMT5s5VGgWmU O+ELxjDmGtiTmjVPHWbsLxGwInvsaqpSCrosMeTM= Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 13:40:35 +1000 From: Jason White To: ORCA-LIST Message-ID: <20110817034035.GA18323@jdc.jasonjgw.net> Mail-Followup-To: ORCA-LIST MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: [orca-list] Handling of Speech-Dispatcher in Gnome sessions X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 03:40:49 -0000 I don't know whether this is an Orca issue or completely internal to speech-dispatcher. Steps to reproduce: 1. From a console, start a Gnome session with startx. 2. Ensure that Orca, with Speech-dispatcher, is run, e.g., by having it configured to start by default. 3. Log out of Gnome, terminating the session. On my system, there is a speech-dispatcher process still running under my user id at this point. 4. Run startx again so that another Gnome session is commenced and Orca is started. At this point there is no speech output. The braille output, however, is fine, so we know that Orca is working as it should be. The work-around is to kill the speech-dispatcher process after logging out of Gnome, i.e., with killall speech-dispatcher. I'm running Orca 3.0.4 with Speech-dispatcher 0.7.1, which is still the latest release, under Debian. Can others reproduce this? Where would you like it reported? From steve.holmes88@gmail.com Wed Aug 17 04:00:55 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A8C575002F for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 04:00:55 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.59 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.59 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1RS1eQrqSx5W for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 04:00:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com (mail-iy0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3E6175001A for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 04:00:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iye7 with SMTP id 7so1210270iye.3 for ; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 21:00:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=dqlJWOIBtZ25+rSqgY3W6GwYBNcJ/vubLxrES5DgH9w=; b=NnzG+38NC7jibIDrfZtlObxBfQS+0P53i9LXgoDKB6v4Y+KLAk4Vx2Tvzy6DKi9+0i bk40GJhzfpdKYTIZPuBlHCVU47HPq1FRsuiQuXHQsi4zLZUK9311BerAG/JrCFFU6Z4k p/3JHOkxmTJQdycq9CZGcVvpxvruMCB1yMrP0= Received: by 10.231.75.99 with SMTP id x35mr1111328ibj.50.1313553642920; Tue, 16 Aug 2011 21:00:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.147] (76-14-154-236.rk.wavecable.com [76.14.154.236]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e8sm240437ibd.20.2011.08.16.21.00.41 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 16 Aug 2011 21:00:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E4B3CD2.1060801@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 21:00:18 -0700 From: Steve Holmes User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110816 Thunderbird/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20110816062254.GA23553@jdc.jasonjgw.net> In-Reply-To: <20110816062254.GA23553@jdc.jasonjgw.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Firefox 6 (with Aria improvements) X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 04:00:55 -0000 Arch Linux just rolled out both Firefox and Thunderbird 6.0 today and one big observation to me is that links and the tab key work properly now. All the time I was in my gmail accounts and the web interface there of, I could always hit tab and the proper link was tabbed to every time. the edit boxes still don't work for me however. I can type in them but nothing is echoed by Orca; that part seems to be unchanged to me. On 08/15/2011 11:22 PM, Jason White wrote: > In the release notes of Firefox 6: > https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Firefox_6_for_developers > it is mentioned that several Aria bugs were fixed. See the above reference for > the details. > > The change in the behaviour of textarea fields is also notable, as this may > affect Orca users. > > Firefox 6 is in Debian Unstable already (I'm downloading it now) and it may > be released soon in other distributions that have a rolling updated policy. > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From jason@jasonjgw.net Wed Aug 17 04:35:19 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78BDA75001A for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 04:35:19 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.217 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.217 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, KHOP_DYNAMIC=0.768, RCVD_IN_BRBL_LASTEXT=1.449] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PA2jn2YbwbCd for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 04:35:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from jdc.jasonjgw.net (ppp198-218.static.internode.on.net [59.167.198.218]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 255FD750145 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 04:35:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by jdc.jasonjgw.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 521341805C2CD; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 14:35:04 +1000 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=jasonjgw.net; s=mail; t=1313555704; bh=QDdTlnC7lySUgtkTXudT60c6eLw4kTagI/HL6SaUxNQ=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:In-Reply-To; b=K2+HLv9B4kUSDi63UhMd7SMaxQgXw5RWdysMatbefq3JMDybTpxFPlhUtSQco2mPC I8VlKPVRi33Z+7t4kCfnLs/mlEy6l4s41bE1MkI4d218jD1fD2ayCn08RcRWQPKWz7 5lXsv6+tFL7X3eCCYhpbNkdGjKAJHdO/thBB3Ro8= Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 14:35:04 +1000 From: Jason White To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110817043504.GA19069@jdc.jasonjgw.net> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20110816062254.GA23553@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <4E4B3CD2.1060801@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4E4B3CD2.1060801@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Firefox 6 (with Aria improvements) X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 04:35:19 -0000 Steve Holmes wrote: > and one big observation to me is that links and the tab key work > properly now. All the time I was in my gmail accounts and the web > interface there of, I could always hit tab and the proper link was > tabbed to every time. Mozilla bug 546068 is still open however - maybe a change was made somewhere that inadvertently improved this situation. >the edit boxes still don't work for me > however. I can type in them but nothing is echoed by Orca; that > part seems to be unchanged to me. That's unchanged for me as well, noting that the braille output works and has always worked. For people who are primarily using speech, I'm sure this is a real problem. In general, I find that with Orca it is best to leave the speech running, because unfortunately the braille interface isn't as good as it should be. For example, while browsing a Javascript-intensive Web site earlier today, a script inserted some text into a document which was announced immediately by the speech, but the braille display was not updated. I can imagine circumstances in which someone might want this behaviour, but I'm sure it isn't intended. Another serius problem is that one has to use the keyboard to move the caret and interact with user interface controls, whereas it should be possible to do this entirely from the controls of the braille display. On the positive side, there are circumstances in which the braille gives better results than speech currently does, as in the above Mozilla bug. From babaranthro@yahoo.ca Wed Aug 17 07:54:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 941EC7500F6 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 07:54:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.703 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.703 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MmTf5Y3U3gVo for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 07:54:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm27-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm27-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.232]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1B09075008E for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 07:54:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.91.69] by nm27.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2011 07:54:45 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.22] by tm9.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2011 07:54:45 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1022.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2011 07:54:45 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 628906.81818.bm@omp1022.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 7622 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2011 07:54:44 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.ca; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=Z88o9lyejkWltBvEnDEm6witUBYeV2nSxL9oz7HZqXIk8PJCdhuYItenafRztKAWqXftae7gV2Rkl0tDjumbeNCVos1tEqPr4JgPwmkzSjsfxG9YkiQ77SrsdngI98zfHMyHdDa9Gn7Wak44p6ycSy6B7yQJJMogZH5M74hegZs= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.ca; s=s1024; t=1313567684; bh=orzJepU77XRhkrdEjOqZt5OlcsCCrw3Lxn4leoFDvMg=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE; b=v4boQGvLTi1nQPyuNFBr2o2igsezIPgITNNTd8IX3AgHwHT17dWYNLRveLbR0vQeZUMBL10Yn4DlMq6RixI5upVmrtqW1UyZiMdubBwv8b0ZjTnvYUbjebVNZmKXHOBkloOhThz8aLLDSbWwVy77mG3KuJG/gkfew+qqhUqxvm0= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: qtYLNV4VM1lPZUJlfyUX746trjooQM4vgrgccvjUPk4zOCR 1eLIMjzXdMMxjGYXkQQIkCIBIDiiSe_EfPuUGMk3Gp7nIxJf548T3aWje.t2 2fQnjmFNEyx7rodmVL9GlRUHKoetBOWcc8Y_VH_RFfejYxvteOc5h5UdhFBJ Wgf.YMA9pCfJcLCrC5maAdtvt4Wf2b8Skx1qsSa4gc0GWsCHUiO2vvGjt8.0 lOp_r4ljgwvx.zPnTkPYpR5v2E.Wt4Qf3MOOdGKhMSGd13dmA0274_B9QmXD mrV7DojXOIXyUq1OxKn7iMsiBpAYzwyfSqvB22c1fq47vfAjBamVwXW_OBAN 9xPUaGRnumS0JAe1dKFKK.qOWX.EU_.Kx_KHoCKyPQmN6AVeTTwJfBIkcVTU wvCZwcl6Uj9bK4RFqHJjyXPSgwnPESr9Xj5rOnQ-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: 7HYWEWyswBACdIcqEnKCjttCS26rsM5H Received: from muhammadc9ab56 (babaranthro@203.99.180.94 with login) by smtp136.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2011 00:54:43 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <8D6CB3E53BE542DEB22359ABF14FC1C7@muhammadc9ab56> From: "Muhammad Babar Shahzad" To: Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 13:54:34 +0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005F_01CC5CE5.324D61A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 Subject: [orca-list] no Battery Status X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 07:54:58 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01CC5CE5.324D61A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear All, I recently upgraded orca2.30 to 3.1.2-xdesktop but now it does not tell = me battery status any help? 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Dear All,
I recently upgraded orca2.30 to = 3.1.2-xdesktop but=20 now it does not tell me battery status any help?
Thanks
------=_NextPart_000_005F_01CC5CE5.324D61A0-- From jason@jasonjgw.net Wed Aug 17 07:57:52 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC9927501AD for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 07:57:52 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.217 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.217 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, KHOP_DYNAMIC=0.768, RCVD_IN_BRBL_LASTEXT=1.449] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sgWKSOczDOxW for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 07:57:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from jdc.jasonjgw.net (ppp198-218.static.internode.on.net [59.167.198.218]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AF1C7501EE for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 07:57:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by jdc.jasonjgw.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 26FE6180B5438; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 17:57:41 +1000 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=jasonjgw.net; s=mail; t=1313567861; bh=/dgwXPsEnDygEfIKdH56n+LZs4cZ52JT3FhPjmmndjQ=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:In-Reply-To; b=WJG2tS/tCIBtTM+PCC9SE3MRQSIX0YKg8tL0Erm0h24gW9bWTj1wewoRPh6e1QSC/ EZ61+fCGxB1N/hbULuMCqxC2icDwLLEvgLjdGrYdL/vnGlTk5pUYZQOEai96/keBVn JpYVP3ORbWa5MUPzwBo+HtTFk+qC0CjduyQKxrBY= Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 17:57:41 +1000 From: Jason White To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110817075741.GA22666@jdc.jasonjgw.net> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <8D6CB3E53BE542DEB22359ABF14FC1C7@muhammadc9ab56> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <8D6CB3E53BE542DEB22359ABF14FC1C7@muhammadc9ab56> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] no Battery Status X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 07:57:53 -0000 Muhammad Babar Shahzad wrote: > I recently upgraded orca2.30 to 3.1.2-xdesktop but now it does not tell me battery status any help? This doesn't solve the Orca problem, but you can always obtain battery status by running acpitool. From covici@ccs.covici.com Wed Aug 17 12:53:47 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Delivered-To: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B919675005B for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 12:53:47 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fURjgoWRZixz for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 12:53:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail0101.smtp25.com (mail0101.smtp25.com [67.228.8.101]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4FDB75002C for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 12:53:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ccs.covici.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ccs.covici.com (8.14.5/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p7HCrPDr008349 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 08:53:28 -0400 To: ORCA-LIST In-reply-to: <20110817034035.GA18323@jdc.jasonjgw.net> References: <20110817034035.GA18323@jdc.jasonjgw.net> Comments: In-reply-to Jason White message dated "Wed, 17 Aug 2011 13:40:35 +1000." X-Mailer: MH-E 8.2; nmh 1.3; GNU Emacs 23.3.1 Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 08:53:25 -0400 Message-ID: <8348.1313585605@ccs.covici.com> From: covici@ccs.covici.com X-SpamH-Filter: y-out0.smtp25.com-p7HCrSfj000613 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Handling of Speech-Dispatcher in Gnome sessions X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 12:53:47 -0000 I have a system wide speech-dispatcher and don't see this -- I wonder if that makes the difference. I also don't use pulse audio at all. Jason White wrote: > I don't know whether this is an Orca issue or completely internal to > speech-dispatcher. > > Steps to reproduce: > > 1. From a console, start a Gnome session with startx. > > 2. Ensure that Orca, with Speech-dispatcher, is run, e.g., by having it > configured to start by default. > > 3. Log out of Gnome, terminating the session. > > On my system, there is a speech-dispatcher process still running under my user > id at this point. > > 4. Run startx again so that another Gnome session is commenced and Orca is > started. At this point there is no speech output. The braille output, however, > is fine, so we know that Orca is working as it should be. > > The work-around is to kill the speech-dispatcher process after logging out of > Gnome, i.e., with killall speech-dispatcher. > > I'm running Orca 3.0.4 with Speech-dispatcher 0.7.1, which is still the latest > release, under Debian. > > Can others reproduce this? Where would you like it reported? > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici covici@ccs.covici.com From trev.saunders@gmail.com Wed Aug 17 13:01:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88A8D75005B for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 13:01:23 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3fAXToQBGG9O for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 13:01:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAA1E75002C for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 13:01:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyd10 with SMTP id 10so1008058gyd.27 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 06:01:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=TDWYE/MbSGRs/COGAQRoOsEwilqwMU6HLmBvq+LwnQA=; b=Aph3bsBnhjIuZ5+Q3M9HZRFhIXcpVLy4JstwIcdCSuynUyGJnuyJ3ooG4NlWKVBNoc /a+hK37PWOtkFwpaPZCZ5Wls4nvnh8kT3zcWW4X9bg+WpHoSTlt6YuVAWLFww5HODxVi hk2G6GGyKmRQ812rhf0E+d/K3L0nt+/LHRNJM= Received: by 10.42.171.69 with SMTP id i5mr925511icz.156.1313586070823; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 06:01:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from exception (corp-240.mv.mozilla.com [63.245.220.240]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q1sm420855icu.10.2011.08.17.06.01.09 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 17 Aug 2011 06:01:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 06:01:06 -0700 From: Trevor Saunders To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110817130106.GA17132@exception> References: <20110817034035.GA18323@jdc.jasonjgw.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="1yeeQ81UyVL57Vl7" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110817034035.GA18323@jdc.jasonjgw.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Handling of Speech-Dispatcher in Gnome sessions X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 13:01:23 -0000 --1yeeQ81UyVL57Vl7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, the speechd list might be better, but here is fine for now I think. It sounds like for some reason the python speechd bindings can't open the servers socket, though I'm not really sure why. Could you capture the output of orca the second time you start X hopefully the speechd python lib will throw an exception somewhere. Trev On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 01:40:35PM +1000, Jason White wrote: > I don't know whether this is an Orca issue or completely internal to > speech-dispatcher. >=20 > Steps to reproduce: >=20 > 1. From a console, start a Gnome session with startx. >=20 > 2. Ensure that Orca, with Speech-dispatcher, is run, e.g., by having it > configured to start by default. >=20 > 3. Log out of Gnome, terminating the session. >=20 > On my system, there is a speech-dispatcher process still running under my= user > id at this point. >=20 > 4. Run startx again so that another Gnome session is commenced and Orca is > started. At this point there is no speech output. The braille output, how= ever, > is fine, so we know that Orca is working as it should be. >=20 > The work-around is to kill the speech-dispatcher process after logging ou= t of > Gnome, i.e., with killall speech-dispatcher. >=20 > I'm running Orca 3.0.4 with Speech-dispatcher 0.7.1, which is still the l= atest > release, under Debian. >=20 > Can others reproduce this? Where would you like it reported? >=20 > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightl= y/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQu= estions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp --1yeeQ81UyVL57Vl7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJOS7uSAAoJEBfSn9LueXXXNxsP/A/D6azYhP202h8zvukA5Z+L rl0nHioGn2slcSvzrWFr2nyqvEDKyrBc4jw8elx40qTPqc2QqGBW9wEMmfptRXAQ xsybG0+zO/HvqNViMsHoRXgLe+TWDj26Ab29OhxBMLgB1OiTm3XXeHb5O746KzL3 oi4S99uLelNCavv/W+mKI0kDjswilE/9fP8YxSsvpXTymek1rJIy82tVhDjGON6B QJY9Zc94n3wiOEcLtd8/Ib/HlngfmoUtRoRQFalL0yLnESnIkzPj0rmKki6HjvtO 65LmjL4pBPahlTB/psF/7wmPnMog2FQMdiTihMX1fYGa6k2qswwTA7KEqZP8k+SO tktTHEGB0tA3xNL/YsBFQyBo5mwmeitXikfOrx+6FjZXuBQQx0U7L+S3eWrxnvne PzZQjriR62nZGXub/bbri9vsg4yDjQMiFbjTSn/eXbhS94yiRkgfb/K57D5wutVY TUDgp2mil/YZy5WIkCWV8xPL+OFJiW+FUGxDDnqqzq0jSba9bmwIsW1MYQOnjwVX DqAeDCThDuv4SoAQE46twntgkaSUCRtodMnqcPS6rk73WRmrwMWPC/VPzpF1SAhK 5lR8fonBFU1A2XTZzw4W+eHPn/TD/O+/O6/GI58okarWdWG6F+j4D3Z+WE9rYkFa 0wO1wRbRRajIOVoknf6F =HL9Z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --1yeeQ81UyVL57Vl7-- From 40493raywonder@gmail.com Wed Aug 17 14:05:06 2011 Return-Path: <40493raywonder@gmail.com> X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E1F57501EF for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 14:05:06 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.962 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.962 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS=0.738, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id F8TvHJfA24OV for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 14:05:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50BB27501DC for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 14:04:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywo32 with SMTP id 32so1094198ywo.27 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 07:04:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=VblIoXZShY0fvbd6pg4yQt1PQ5dEEHXk9d4MxD5VGIQ=; b=jLcPJkpk9nNHYh0ix8hxKrwzuqhJCoJIGyBcX8tgYy9lImJcKkAa6uhAZvWXfL52xU oViotwtGpj2FtSO9XPl6IfMMu6mytEjeWvJCSyXnS3/+FOJVi4z5Z/xlUy1lfbpVDa5c 9y40zLqIdHC7BqAZC6unncc7O/Ik+El/NJXG8= Received: by 10.101.212.12 with SMTP id o12mr1134668anq.31.1313589891495; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 07:04:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.106] (adsl-68-95-49-223.dsl.wacotx.swbell.net [68.95.49.223]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l2sm947635anm.50.2011.08.17.07.04.50 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 17 Aug 2011 07:04:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E4BCA50.4010004@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 09:04:00 -0500 From: Dominique <40493raywonder@gmail.com> Organization: Raywonder Entertainment User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kyle References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Alternative to Ubuntu? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 14:05:06 -0000 Does Arch Linux go like Vinux? Meaning, can you use the regulare keyboard with out having ot type commands? Will this installer allow you to install ona second partition? I want to install, but don't want to use it as my main opperating system. On 8/14/2011 11:13 PM, Kyle wrote: > I like Arch Linux. > Http://www.archlinux.Org > There is a talking installer available from the wiki. It starts with a minimal text console installation, and you can then install any packages you like, including GNOME. It's nearly the most customizable distro available, and you never have to install anything you don't want just because it's what the distro developers think most people want. This is nothing against Ubuntu. I definitely believe there's a place for it. I just wanted better flexibility, so I tried Arch, and I'm not looking back. > ~Kyle > Sent from my Wishdroid! :) > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > -- Dominique AKA Raywonder. website: http://www.muztechcommunity.com Support Helpdesk URL: http://www.muztechcommunity.com/tickets From chaltain@gmail.com Wed Aug 17 14:07:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74B7C750382 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 14:07:08 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lDKKRBh6m3TO for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 14:07:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1F4D750339 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 14:06:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk28 with SMTP id 28so1094790gxk.27 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 07:06:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=wv7B3tyg08r0oA4SpmxDK7wPC9M3EKvbE/HI8EJdHik=; b=UxCUOd2nrd4ys/jPzdNTlRa3uIWKloR4vBqMsIBJVnUxHPzsWUqJOUXYgUyzz9LP58 4lPU3VR56xZYYn/cxpyLssyq8vU/phYXJWav+m5G1A2NnUlgvfxr8NA/WBFbtEZjQk46 b9qX/kEU7hWIRrFH9OWtZGsb5HAC33GkKdw+E= Received: by 10.101.62.3 with SMTP id p3mr1092136ank.29.1313590016969; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 07:06:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.113] (cpe-173-174-56-115.austin.res.rr.com [173.174.56.115]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e4sm956527anb.15.2011.08.17.07.06.56 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 17 Aug 2011 07:06:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E4BCAFF.70503@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 09:06:55 -0500 From: Christopher Chaltain User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110516 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20110816062254.GA23553@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <4E4B3CD2.1060801@gmail.com> <20110817043504.GA19069@jdc.jasonjgw.net> In-Reply-To: <20110817043504.GA19069@jdc.jasonjgw.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Firefox 6 (with Aria improvements) X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 14:07:08 -0000 On 16/08/11 23:35, Jason White wrote: > Steve Holmes wrote: >> the edit boxes still don't work for me >> however. I can type in them but nothing is echoed by Orca; that >> part seems to be unchanged to me. > > That's unchanged for me as well, noting that the braille output works and has > always worked. For people who are primarily using speech, I'm sure this is a > real problem. Interesting, but I've never seen this problem. Right now I'm running Orca 3.1.2-xdesktop with Firefox 5, and I don't have any problems in edit fields on the web. The only problem I have close to that is not hearing characters echoed when I backspace over them. Is there some other aspect of this problem? -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain@gmail.com From deedra@the-brannons.com Wed Aug 17 14:20:11 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBDA27500CE for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 14:20:11 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QMaOmcQoxupq for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 14:20:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hurricane.the-brannons.com (cbrannon.xen.prgmr.com [64.62.188.119]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B15175008E for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 14:20:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.68] (99-177-240-11.lightspeed.hdvltn.sbcglobal.net [99.177.240.11]) by hurricane.the-brannons.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6998DA35CD for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 09:19:59 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4E4BCE1B.20008@the-brannons.com> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 09:20:11 -0500 From: Deedra Waters User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110816 Thunderbird/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20110816062254.GA23553@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <4E4B3CD2.1060801@gmail.com> <20110817043504.GA19069@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <4E4BCAFF.70503@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4E4BCAFF.70503@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Firefox 6 (with Aria improvements) X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 14:20:12 -0000 Hopefully tabbing through links and fields in thunderrd will behave a little nicer with the upgrade though orca claims it's inaccessible, or so it says when i alt tab through stuff, though it still reads etc. On 08/17/2011 09:06 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > On 16/08/11 23:35, Jason White wrote: >> Steve Holmes wrote: >>> the edit boxes still don't work for me >>> however. I can type in them but nothing is echoed by Orca; that >>> part seems to be unchanged to me. >> >> That's unchanged for me as well, noting that the braille output works and has >> always worked. For people who are primarily using speech, I'm sure this is a >> real problem. > > Interesting, but I've never seen this problem. Right now I'm running > Orca 3.1.2-xdesktop with Firefox 5, and I don't have any problems in > edit fields on the web. The only problem I have close to that is not > hearing characters echoed when I backspace over them. Is there some > other aspect of this problem? > From kyle4jesus@gmail.com Wed Aug 17 15:14:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E9B07500F2 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 15:14:23 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.689 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.689 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id m1U7ICnwh4e0 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 15:14:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yi0-f54.google.com (mail-yi0-f54.google.com [209.85.218.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6D8675008E for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 15:14:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yib19 with SMTP id 19so1184534yib.27 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 08:14:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:reply-to:to:subject:date:message-id:x-mailer:mime-version :content-language:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=pVlwNbKFA6hrix1jn5nT8aqlYHbZwohSo/iJ0e4mBaE=; b=xm4os6HwhaO45uylFlz+JvaLcWizVUteToF++J8/mRdMKAfwyIaqOx8y9RDGfiVbM+ bbFX+do6cZmx7qopdndTQv8KfMBTTCpdk2B65teWKjsLT+XP3ewXpLYN9MKKqRzvukUp Orbf0Jgm5ItI76hZUrBw7W89iNGWPxpyBZ9NM= Received: by 10.236.73.233 with SMTP id v69mr3774646yhd.242.1313594051004; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 08:14:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [26.227.83.12] (mf22c36d0.tmodns.net [208.54.44.242]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r28sm1323734yhm.38.2011.08.17.08.14.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 17 Aug 2011 08:14:09 -0700 (PDT) From: "Kyle" To: orca-list@gnome.org Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 11:14:02 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: EPOC Email Version 2.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: i-default Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [orca-list] Alternative to Ubuntu? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Kyle List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 15:14:23 -0000 According to Dominique: Does Arch Linux go like Vinux? Meaning, can you use the regulare keyboard with out having ot type = commands? Arch starts with the command shell by default. So you will need to type = commands to get it up and running. But you can install GNOME as soon as you = get the OS installed. It won't have all the extra key shortcuts that Vinux = has, but I have found it to be quite useful. Will this installer allow you to install ona second partition? I want to install, but don't want to use it as my main opperating = system. You can install it any way you like. It will even boot from a flash drive. = Partitioning won't be a problem, although it doesn't look like the = installer and partitioner you'll find on Vinux. Arch is designed to be as = minimal as possible by default for maximum customizability. ~Kyle Sent from my Wishdroid! :) From thomasward1978@gmail.com Wed Aug 17 15:33:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBC32750114 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 15:33:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ukdciAlROWsF for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 15:33:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC49D7500FF for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 15:33:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywo32 with SMTP id 32so1210135ywo.27 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 08:33:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=TumJszsdg7VFUEN8fstDprvggRytNGCtnLBR6KTyks4=; b=RXc0O0siiY32FitwXbmFd0mt+tdk3xkDEZ2rAuFoMETmQZhrKxvqNrnzily2W+I4Tc OZ/hBI/GbBETOVWaZdhsweFxzyQymT0wlpiZ4sLwWj7K9ibTauWYRWYHiaivOr4G+xaA bApRO3PUkLwnq4ZBwomTOtfVlkc6kDIVz6y2w= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.155.66 with SMTP id t2mr1146009icw.137.1313595210155; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 08:33:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.39.194 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 08:33:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1313376563.3154.5.camel@ubuntu> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 11:33:29 -0400 Message-ID: From: Thomas Ward To: orca-list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Alternative to Ubuntu? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 15:33:42 -0000 Hi, When you mean Red Hat are you talking about Red Hat Enterprise, the server side software, or are you perhaps talking about Fedora which is the all purpose clone of Red Hat favored by PC and home users. If we are talking Fedora its pretty much as accessible as any other Linux distro once you get it installed. I haven't looked at Fedora for a while now, but I believe Bill Acker still runs a Speakup modified version that has some accessibility improvements like Speakup support compiled into the kernel by default etc. Cheers! On 8/16/11, Alex Midence wrote: > Hmm, very interesting. Is anyone using RedHat itself in a production > environment? How well does Orca do with it? I've been looking at LPI > certification and I've also found a few programs out there that > certify you in RedHat Linux. How much tweaking do you have to do to > get it accessible with Orca? > > Alex M From deedra@the-brannons.com Wed Aug 17 21:24:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B81B575007D for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 21:24:09 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ncg3jpApA4kN for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 21:24:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hurricane.the-brannons.com (cbrannon.xen.prgmr.com [64.62.188.119]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8410F750068 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 21:23:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.68] (99-177-240-11.lightspeed.hdvltn.sbcglobal.net [99.177.240.11]) by hurricane.the-brannons.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E2992A35CD for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 16:23:57 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4E4C3179.8040309@the-brannons.com> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 16:24:09 -0500 From: Deedra Waters User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110816 Thunderbird/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] new thunderbird X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 21:24:09 -0000 Hmm, so when i control+w out of a message for some reason it seems to drop me to the "loading" page or what ever this is but either way it's the welcome screen. I generally have to arrow back to the inbox page Feature or bug? No idea From chaltain@gmail.com Wed Aug 17 22:16:19 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07A1D750068 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 22:16:19 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tVJfTX4GVTjM for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 22:16:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E84B17500A4 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 22:16:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk28 with SMTP id 28so1589258gxk.27 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 15:16:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=yqj5bUkKCSnWweobEdf+fLx3cDbPwPGBv630MPffwSY=; b=vU1d2OMSfVefNNXVo0hhxWJjGaVqjEOZnZsZ/sDp6Mgrfax2QemogTU2SiNaTHA0j2 amL+MRKeI/UIlYrexppswzGNg+X137v8ABd44wi71b8GOCwgbbhR/b+DLflOZ88dzqVa u9QOjL5BmTHXIw75V0tMw0QXRzt1jw9NItZhc= Received: by 10.101.131.4 with SMTP id i4mr1639133ann.61.1313619364245; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 15:16:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.113] (cpe-173-174-56-115.austin.res.rr.com [173.174.56.115]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h15sm1266709ank.13.2011.08.17.15.16.02 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 17 Aug 2011 15:16:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E4C3DA1.3030103@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 17:16:01 -0500 From: Christopher Chaltain User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110516 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4E4C3179.8040309@the-brannons.com> In-Reply-To: <4E4C3179.8040309@the-brannons.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] new thunderbird X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 22:16:19 -0000 Unfortunately, I don't use Thunderbird in this fashion, but I think you can get the behavior you're looking for. I'd play around with the options in Edit -> Preferences -> Advanced -> Reading and Display. In particular, I'd experiment with "Open window in" and "Close window on delete". On 17/08/11 16:24, Deedra Waters wrote: > Hmm, so when i control+w out of a message for some reason it seems to > drop me to the "loading" page or what ever this is but either way it's > the welcome screen. I generally have to arrow back to the inbox page > Feature or bug? No idea > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain@gmail.com From rickfunes@yahoo.com Wed Aug 17 22:34:42 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5922B75033D for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 22:34:42 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.126 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.126 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.137, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32fLGf-BicRl for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 22:34:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm30.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm30.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [98.139.212.189]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 02947750279 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 22:34:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.212.151] by nm30.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2011 22:34:29 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.212] by tm8.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2011 22:34:29 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1021.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2011 22:34:29 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 768439.26137.bm@omp1021.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 99216 invoked from network); 17 Aug 2011 22:34:29 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=b5kDtMwlmZsTpAsDqN89fzmn8JxaVcsYkLYFvFzWCUQI82IaaEC4NGggQ+UrANYQd30/VTYQG9uQb47d7XSCaG7jwpykL1D+bZQCL4itTkgS95zmhvwijW1zkbyLDRuPTQFA9Yg+GsiADkHhBAVmS75d/1S/fUBtW2/oy0FDDR0= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1313620469; bh=YoywHtqebdpVr2+5zeIfCiwJfBUc+E9ZAJFiWUdF64k=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=k0qvBkaLmdL7o02QMP3DAp3fyp+JMcSHnPlbPd9lgxfp/k5dcPjzBRMM/wrOEt3iDrGSItZ/sgqvArN+xw2WtmAmLWFc1i88jvUq8cIS8HedXXmZdWReZXaTWXwB4qJRzfCLxhfCPKBK6zZDo54PFIeA42m2XB+SyswhlTnV2ME= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: dp2SgxIVM1ljeHAniGpJclHAhXwea9fhfiwcWa3xmSQ47nB N.wKL8gWYaATprhCMDmNzX1VNfMXlTWG_pEpketEQ9h_jkCgCO30xkfnuhMs bkZletcI1nsHefsq.rrtowWbkA2uvab_Answ_A0.D3jyFFPzVRBl0OrUx_by Zs0XKNtIAdBW6P0uNXaWVM6WeW.JgJlvKgUZJvchUxbaBIoUNUYqCh46pjr9 BwLRTJamTJRf9uqJsoPI9VnIWdw6Og_XLqSmz0DfHgISN0AOEbfztt0FIDM9 4but8eXzSCyzF6ugfaKFfjbDJ.F0WPPEZFjcsd2Uf4bHX3mHQZHQY2x4qnaP dmPyIwkCwuLFDNfJ_e39kHQ_OTInYhXe0Hdw264K2R6yLOZ.K7NxTW2AUPzS zC2zZ4tJZG67ODI7aEUDwySCLaLVihWzfwa8u2iF3YrCEITVc3lTv8BwNDJ6 yTXdP9EbYb.BOrg-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: ZchkVoeswBB3Ar.3OdyTafwDf65gRw-- Received: from [192.168.1.100] (rickfunes@76.90.206.87 with plain) by smtp114.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2011 15:34:29 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <4E4C41F4.9010406@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 15:34:28 -0700 From: Richard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4E4C3179.8040309@the-brannons.com> <4E4C3DA1.3030103@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4E4C3DA1.3030103@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] new thunderbird X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 22:34:42 -0000 Hi, I know on my copy of Thunderbird on Windows the checkbox to disable the homepage is under tools, options and general. The same option should be in Linux under edit, preferences and general, though I may be mistaken. On 8/17/2011 15:16, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > Unfortunately, I don't use Thunderbird in this fashion, but I think you > can get the behavior you're looking for. I'd play around with the > options in Edit -> Preferences -> Advanced -> Reading and Display. In > particular, I'd experiment with "Open window in" and "Close window on > delete". > > On 17/08/11 16:24, Deedra Waters wrote: >> Hmm, so when i control+w out of a message for some reason it seems to >> drop me to the "loading" page or what ever this is but either way it's >> the welcome screen. I generally have to arrow back to the inbox page >> Feature or bug? No idea >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at >> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Netiquette Guidelines are at >> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > From GlennErvin@cableone.net Thu Aug 18 04:35:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F38497500DA for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 04:35:09 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.338 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.338 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.137, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id seBhvDDQlWa0 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 04:35:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from s8.cableone.net (s8.cableone.net [24.116.0.234]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8941750068 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 04:34:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from your9f1aaab2d8 (unverified [24.116.90.149]) by s8.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service s8) with ESMTP id 45090471-1872270 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 21:34:57 -0700 Message-ID: <3F6DDBBC002A47788E09956014402B83@your9f1aaab2d8> From: "Glenn" To: Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 23:34:56 -0500 Organization: Home MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Vpipe: Scanner said ok (av_avast) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 4, First 78, in=57, out=0, spam=0 ip=24.116.90.149 X-Originating-IP: 24.116.90.149 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Subject: [orca-list] Unity and Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Glenn List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 04:35:10 -0000 Hi, I installed Ubuntu 11.04 which has unity. I hate windows 7 and like windows XP. Now I feel like I'm using windows 7. Is there a way to get rid of Unity in Ubuntu and go back to the menus like I had in 10.10? I otherwise may go back to 10.10, unless there is enough of a reason to stay in 11.04. I am really annoyed at all this. I believe in "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". Glenn From rkcole72984@gmail.com Thu Aug 18 05:26:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0F357500DA for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 05:26:18 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.589 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.589 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tVXMQYiAUL2m for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 05:26:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2357975007D for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 05:26:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyd10 with SMTP id 10so1786250gyd.27 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 22:26:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type; bh=HOHH58mWwUPKmM99CHJtmpM5FkIdWU28vMpnDyv+mtU=; b=Wl3Hva7iAttfuklc6T5dcgvGQ2U978SO7mujvpge/ifBaKhtc7iMKNth0LegfWCfKW +Uwh80alhDDq+NF2cU+eCCZ74MqOdAH0gfOGnXiHe6oVQw86i8IpOgPUSOS0CYyUnz+s pdYsoIwO1J/fgylnjWWLa5TWsXnUu+aH1t5yU= Received: by 10.42.150.68 with SMTP id z4mr340275icv.23.1313645165929; Wed, 17 Aug 2011 22:26:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.107] (c-76-20-104-251.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [76.20.104.251]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id v16sm777761ibe.51.2011.08.17.22.26.04 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 17 Aug 2011 22:26:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E4CA26B.1060607@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 22:26:03 -0700 From: Robert Cole User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110617 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <3F6DDBBC002A47788E09956014402B83@your9f1aaab2d8> In-Reply-To: <3F6DDBBC002A47788E09956014402B83@your9f1aaab2d8> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040701000006010506040903" Subject: Re: [orca-list] Unity and Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 05:26:19 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040701000006010506040903 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello. You can switch back to the GNOME desktop by following these steps (I am sorry, but I do not know how well Orca works with these steps as I use a screen magnifier via Compiz for access): 1. Log out of your current Unity desktop. 2. At the login screen, select your user name (do not login yet, though. 3. A menu will appear at the bottom of the screen which contains options for desktop environments. If you select "Ubuntu Classic" this will log you in to the classic GNOME desktop which you are used to. I was not too fond of Unity, either; it did not play well with the Compiz Enhanced Zoom Desktop (eZoom) plugin which I use for screen magnification. I am sorry that I cannot be of much help in doing this strictly with the keyboard. On 08/17/2011 09:34 PM, Glenn wrote: > Hi, > I installed Ubuntu 11.04 which has unity. > I hate windows 7 and like windows XP. > Now I feel like I'm using windows 7. > Is there a way to get rid of Unity in Ubuntu and go back to the menus like I > had in 10.10? > I otherwise may go back to 10.10, unless there is enough of a reason to stay > in 11.04. > I am really annoyed at all this. > I believe in "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". > > Glenn > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp --------------040701000006010506040903 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello.

You can switch back to the GNOME desktop by following these steps (I am sorry, but I do not know how well Orca works with these steps as I use a screen magnifier via Compiz for access):

1. Log out of your current Unity desktop.

2. At the login screen, select your user name (do not login yet, though.

3. A menu will appear at the bottom of the screen which contains options for desktop environments. If you select "Ubuntu Classic" this will log you in to the classic GNOME desktop which you are used to.

I was not too fond of Unity, either; it did not play well with the Compiz Enhanced Zoom Desktop (eZoom) plugin which I use for screen magnification.

I am sorry that I cannot be of much help in doing this strictly with the keyboard.

On 08/17/2011 09:34 PM, Glenn wrote: 
Hi,
I installed Ubuntu 11.04 which has unity.
I hate windows 7 and like windows XP.
Now I feel like I'm using windows 7.
Is there a way to get rid of Unity in Ubuntu and go back to the menus like I 
had in 10.10?
I otherwise may go back to 10.10, unless there is enough of a reason to stay 
in 11.04.
I am really annoyed at all this.
I believe in "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".

Glenn

_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list@gnome.org
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

--------------040701000006010506040903-- From chaltain@gmail.com Thu Aug 18 14:37:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AACC07501A1 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 14:37:29 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OggrkhO5RSAB for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 14:37:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yi0-f54.google.com (mail-yi0-f54.google.com [209.85.218.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56DFF7514D0 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 12:55:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yib19 with SMTP id 19so2059168yib.27 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 05:54:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=IqzbC5e7/ZnO9NWESsBBqtK6hYvzp6GgJIsgjFQPP38=; b=vpyNq2rSci7o68OLBsK10L2Rwqp/AiNpmYnOpp6srV9v7p5S0mVKFCPgYJwZdRGn4R 34lZWgm9Pmo/d78U3osNaIU+Tkhqf2JzjIuRUu4hE5hCno44utCWPPiiRg+08dGNUF+a avZ2rXSZ5jP8EKf+6TxK1JMpBJNYmWdwFcGgU= Received: by 10.236.180.38 with SMTP id i26mr3843174yhm.7.1313672097372; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 05:54:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.113] (cpe-173-174-56-115.austin.res.rr.com [173.174.56.115]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c63sm887758yhe.32.2011.08.18.05.54.56 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 18 Aug 2011 05:54:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E4D0B9F.2070607@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 07:54:55 -0500 From: Christopher Chaltain User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110516 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <3F6DDBBC002A47788E09956014402B83@your9f1aaab2d8> <4E4CA26B.1060607@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4E4CA26B.1060607@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Unity and Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 14:37:30 -0000 The Vinux 3.2.1 distribution is based on 11.04 and runs Gnome 2 or Classic Gnome as it's default desktop. I'm just pointing this out as another option. BTW, I agree with the sentiment that if it isn't broken don't fix it, but I also think it's naive to think that computers, operating systems and applications aren't going to change over time and incorporate new features. After all, nothing in DOS 3.3 was broken, but I'm glad I'm not still running DOS on a PC with 640K of RAM and a 40M hard drive. There are a lot of good features in Windows 7 over Windows XP and that includes accessibility. Unity is new and has some accessibility short comings at the moment, but I look forward to the day when Unity rocks and I'm running Unity on my desktop, laptop, tablet, cell phone and so on! Finally, you could still be running Windows XP. You'll stop getting support for it, and it won't be updated, but it'll still run, and if it isn't broken, why do you need updates anyway? ;-) The security attacks against it will probably also fall off as Windows 7 takes over from XP in the market place. You could also still be running the LTS Ubuntu 10.04. It'll be supported for something like 5 years. Neither 10.10 or 11.04 are LTS releases. On 18/08/11 00:26, Robert Cole wrote: > Hello. > > You can switch back to the GNOME desktop by following these steps (I am > sorry, but I do not know how well Orca works with these steps as I use a > screen magnifier via Compiz for access): > > 1. Log out of your current Unity desktop. > > 2. At the login screen, select your user name (do not login yet, though. > > 3. A menu will appear at the bottom of the screen which contains options > for desktop environments. If you select "Ubuntu Classic" this will log > you in to the classic GNOME desktop which you are used to. > > I was not too fond of Unity, either; it did not play well with the > Compiz Enhanced Zoom Desktop (eZoom) plugin which I use for screen > magnification. > > I am sorry that I cannot be of much help in doing this strictly with the > keyboard. > > On 08/17/2011 09:34 PM, Glenn wrote: >> Hi, >> I installed Ubuntu 11.04 which has unity. >> I hate windows 7 and like windows XP. >> Now I feel like I'm using windows 7. >> Is there a way to get rid of Unity in Ubuntu and go back to the menus like I >> had in 10.10? >> I otherwise may go back to 10.10, unless there is enough of a reason to stay >> in 11.04. >> I am really annoyed at all this. >> I believe in "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". >> >> Glenn >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain@gmail.com From guyster104@att.net Thu Aug 18 21:41:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0018275010C for ; 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18 Aug 2011 14:41:03 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <4E4D86EE.3020009@att.net> Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 17:41:02 -0400 From: Guy Schlosser User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:2.0.1pre) Gecko/20110411 Thunderbird/3.3a4pre MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Orca list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] anybody out there? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 21:41:16 -0000 I haven't got anything from this list in a long time. Anybody still out there? Thanks, Guy From linuxx64.bashsh@gmail.com Thu Aug 18 22:52:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1844E7500DF for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 22:52:33 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kn40JSMmwca1 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 22:52:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 057BD75010C for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 22:52:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxn22 with SMTP id 22so1312192yxn.27 for ; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 15:52:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=6m81fCeBDfukS4M3UoB5nn8K3rd1KANyi/Y7DWzIfUw=; b=ptSu0W6mJtcT6Jr728MSkwux1jWCoc6VDklTJ2qkVK/Xk3KFfivPyJ0aPZnUZlDiS3 Q/VZj6G50biE7u8ss+8L0FDaO59cSK75h+s2ztRyIn/OS+IajrfVOCu4mz1lWUl25jhu /ZWnWMfFQhRtCyO0TCJ/QqWykqCHdsALimhqk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.136.167 with SMTP id w27mr1803325yhi.102.1313707940965; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 15:52:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.109.36 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Aug 2011 15:52:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4E4D86EE.3020009@att.net> References: <4E4D86EE.3020009@att.net> Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 18:52:20 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Alex H." To: Guy Schlosser Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Orca list Subject: Re: [orca-list] anybody out there? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 22:52:33 -0000 Yep, we're here. On 8/18/11, Guy Schlosser wrote: > I haven't got anything from this list in a long time. Anybody still out > there? > > Thanks, > > > Guy > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > From guyster104@att.net Fri Aug 19 15:41:45 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A855A7501E0 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 15:41:45 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.01 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gr591os2PmBL for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 15:41:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm21.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm21.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.222]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2B288750072 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 15:41:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [66.94.237.201] by nm21.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2011 15:41:34 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.106] by tm12.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2011 15:41:34 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1011.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2011 15:41:34 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 694221.30461.bm@omp1011.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 80691 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2011 15:41:34 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1313768494; bh=ar3ZHLFXhiAm+WqfW9qduOrk5vQR9vEC2IEE6I3X+yI=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=JML4aYxbDC8MGb6FclerW0nzGArouVsm1HqiSTwLmV3hyTrpzkVpaRTi2EO0PXoSMGcIhLRiTNPgmt1nTc9DdOUfX8LBXnUmDlChgg9RweO4kuOzFkbek3IZiWSBFjQ7CC1lJmB/v+Q9C0AVhreWrmCZehR2bHeeOaRMAPGAxWM= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: g2.HjRYVM1kxCrh1P2gwuWfhi2sPXCjnC3az5Z.JtF2O3Lo FrE1_YbkyTXkopj3t2iw_zMG6mS9ZoWQY90BV7gA6mQa9ZxpTTWtK7yIa34i BcFrh7M7AIVOuiEupscFH7ExyOKD0Gd_yvGCEQK9OsLhMd51hioNOfNRqGpz VXVsQRENwr30eaZODDM8YNmonA1zinOAVcz4w7GC7wWe9G6GmgjDuVf._5xB SinZBLP8EkjgVfpmiyXob5Tw9lWHS_sDO3TWgAA3yAgXTZMpKp5_AF.e3rMV FqwMzzZWsZQZ.qsmUy7Wnup40nNZIMiabrZ2vX5x3.7ApHeUjDowxf09Xd4q v_j82ThxXwoDMnQPxMtaldmI8xD3Ho8.Z5w3Qh17IIUkl79_q X-Yahoo-SMTP: tZeW1wWswBBWD7GBMvzI5Q0mBhWAmnxdydQa7OxIGQ-- Received: from [192.168.1.4] (guyster104@72.241.162.115 with plain) by smtp102.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2011 08:41:34 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <4E4E842D.608@att.net> Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 11:41:33 -0400 From: Guy Schlosser User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org, ubuntu-accessibility@ubuntu.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] getting orca started unity 3d X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 15:41:45 -0000 Hi all, I have a question concerning Oneiric and Orca. What is the best way to get it started? I installed Oneiric last night as an upgrade from Natty, luckily on a box I use for testing, and on reboot, I saw that orca wasn't installed. I installed it, and still can't get it talking. I've tried the alt+f2, then type in orca approach, but no go. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks in advance for the help. Guy From guyster104@att.net Fri Aug 19 15:45:39 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E684750092 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 15:45:39 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.889 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.889 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cFLxcVT5zKEs for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 15:45:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm15.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm15.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.142]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D5811750072 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 15:45:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.44.98] by nm15.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2011 15:45:28 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.72] by tm3.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2011 15:45:28 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1009.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2011 15:45:28 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 6414.25574.bm@omp1009.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 22177 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2011 15:45:27 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1313768727; bh=DvdtS+3apTODyidaytkpRPo7Sa+C7Mevj4amcG2Xhus=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=vtWWzQSPA43aVgp1QAwaDC6Zys1e00pqWwCve7vuQ/BYx6ojFLdLjYYMMLg+shtMoh3u6ObnwQ1/T6IkD3kSGTWw8XrOcqd4piKx5X5nZmKBWtbMYsLICsCXYnffZh4MYaR+wiZQvKRVJGAzM/lPG7EcwfS8Fs1Z+Be4m1csm9E= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: sHoj6DgVM1mGr0OdL5DuyitFuAeMJSL5rAWVH7vPPi5F13G I9BeIjeUFMBoyliR4gWXIIKB2eC5Poi.bt8DrC9489nwzkQRtLvJtQZiUcuL yKFhNejPOjNIwFX4hZ6pX0fvDZptJFKZ.FW_gc23v9XyrFujxFUgi9A3FupC ctY0h8CVg1Ywun_Zj11NX_aGgoJRDiKs4FXUuGDYc1YTWYTOn7mN2p3wqtj1 v9JdbGLT198axmLyKD9S2VafVSK_pRnrcRtESazkqOFhHUE_E4zlblyGIaZa Jnhk346gEeH_HgsRvdEY6MpcadMhB25vnBtQp.DD67LjlUI0zjJ7NxwOXvoL YFh_bEr4EsipzhrzcVrB2jQ..7maMiaMCiFX8hrTnojQPxIo9 X-Yahoo-SMTP: tZeW1wWswBBWD7GBMvzI5Q0mBhWAmnxdydQa7OxIGQ-- Received: from [192.168.1.4] (guyster104@72.241.162.115 with plain) by smtp105.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2011 08:45:27 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <4E4E8514.7080808@att.net> Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 11:45:24 -0400 From: Guy Schlosser User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com, orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] getting orca started unity 3d X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 15:45:39 -0000 Hi all, I have a question concerning Oneiric and Orca. What is the best way to get it started? I installed Oneiric last night as an upgrade from Natty, luckily on a box I use for testing, and on reboot, I saw that orca wasn't installed. I installed it, and still can't get it talking. I've tried the alt+f2, then type in orca approach, but no go. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks in advance for the help. Guy From hackingkk@gmail.com Fri Aug 19 18:52:52 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AE427502BB for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 18:52:52 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p6tX92GPFp3r for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 18:52:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pz0-f41.google.com (mail-pz0-f41.google.com [209.85.210.41]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA5767502B5 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 18:52:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk4 with SMTP id 4so5870376pzk.0 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 11:52:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=YZXqn+P8ktoEJhYh5gEFnfufs7IM/kzepVSoWmh/uSY=; b=pAc11Sd8OLfSIq+4BVo4kw2PAkjRbBxeLLhNpzbbKuVOjPJpFeQYIAnCPI+V6WzDsQ ZM+ZgMeQdSb4lmc6aUkt9ILoIqvvaFYMjRFGT8sWooykA6PQ09XY4P8qUpCE67KbEEsO l48WfIid5tgxmw/wTuYgMCJj8ChN2ahfXpHvs= Received: by 10.142.136.5 with SMTP id j5mr47770wfd.18.1313779959573; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 11:52:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (triband-mum-59.183.42.225.mtnl.net.in [59.183.42.225]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u1sm510357pbp.39.2011.08.19.11.52.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 19 Aug 2011 11:52:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E4EB0F0.5060309@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 00:22:32 +0530 From: hackingKK User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110424 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Alex H." References: <4E4D86EE.3020009@att.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Orca list Subject: Re: [orca-list] anybody out there? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 18:52:52 -0000 Perhaps all orca hackers have got too busy fixing bugs so mails are coming sparcely. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 19/08/11 04:22, Alex H. wrote: > Yep, we're here. > > > > On 8/18/11, Guy Schlosser wrote: >> I haven't got anything from this list in a long time. Anybody still out >> there? >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> Guy >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at >> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Netiquette Guidelines are at >> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >> > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > From mk.seventhson@gmail.com Fri Aug 19 18:57:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54194750359 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 18:57:29 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K-ErKav3FDC8 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 18:57:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yi0-f54.google.com (mail-yi0-f54.google.com [209.85.218.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 228687502BB for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 18:57:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yib19 with SMTP id 19so3618831yib.27 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 11:57:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=weNAi1PhqU6iD+WVPIiVJyy3v71N6ZKDtejB/9Md90s=; b=OXIQx6+hAKtEELgGLfd7g6Objj/hoALM3gMNhwl2r9nWqyt+gDOg20QARxp7arwoEZ Y+M69L2JV/rb5DmTIU0U018Blj1W0rxZh7ierLpIod1S2xUd1mqQz6AQ2GtGk9fx3xP1 EIy7iiR3QKWrukqo1ZQF1Hoxk1wfnLq84tV7U= Received: by 10.91.84.2 with SMTP id m2mr113586agl.53.1313780236269; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 11:57:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.144] (pc-64-187-46-190.cm.vtr.net [190.46.187.64]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g17sm2868296ank.36.2011.08.19.11.57.14 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 19 Aug 2011 11:57:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E4EB20D.2010804@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 14:57:17 -0400 From: mk360 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; es-ES; rv:1.9.2.20) Gecko/20110804 Thunderbird/3.1.12 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hackingKK References: <4E4D86EE.3020009@att.net> <4E4EB0F0.5060309@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4E4EB0F0.5060309@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Orca list Subject: Re: [orca-list] anybody out there? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 18:57:29 -0000 However, the list is relatively active, I receive at least one message per day. El 19-08-2011 14:52, hackingKK escribió: > Perhaps all orca hackers have got too busy fixing bugs so mails are > coming sparcely. > Happy hacking. > Krishnakant. > > On 19/08/11 04:22, Alex H. wrote: >> Yep, we're here. >> >> >> >> On 8/18/11, Guy Schlosser wrote: >>> I haven't got anything from this list in a long time. Anybody still >>> out >>> there? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> >>> Guy >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>> The manual is at >>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>> Netiquette Guidelines are at >>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>> >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at >> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Netiquette Guidelines are at >> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >> > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From guyster104@att.net Sat Aug 20 01:11:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB0B47500B9 for ; 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19 Aug 2011 18:10:57 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <4E4F099F.8010107@att.net> Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 21:10:55 -0400 From: Guy Schlosser User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] starting orca in Ubuntu 11.10 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 01:11:10 -0000 Hi all, I wrote earlier concerning getting orca started on an Oneiric install, upgraded from Natty. I had a sighted person look when I started Orca from terminal, and there was an error message that said "cannot connect to accessibility bus...Is AT-SPI launcher running?" That indeed tells me why I can't start Orca, but why isn't at-spi firing? Is there something that possibly didn't get migrated in the conversion between gconf and gsettings? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks much in advance. Guy From steve.holmes88@gmail.com Sat Aug 20 03:18:25 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 825A97500E6 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 03:18:25 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.59 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.59 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P4OofpCGFO9E for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 03:18:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pz0-f41.google.com (mail-pz0-f41.google.com [209.85.210.41]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 197BB750086 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 03:18:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk4 with SMTP id 4so6492311pzk.0 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 20:18:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; bh=rI6tP+u3ypl/t7iH34ieWL3VMSb7veqSblZ6bCEDaWg=; b=ij5l/L+16+qEGxsz33ww4blhVXcM9h42kipPFSNuKqUWzbOk3vhVIFyAz3BvCg0BzJ wCdB/iJRv/OYym4ce35w83yVZUaiTayYKMMJa5O77YIFYT6kx2rOQCRDysNoGIMM0jJV 54+qLSW6KOzwY3UJHL/Sqj1RhNPzgo04KmS8o= Received: by 10.142.51.4 with SMTP id y4mr72136wfy.107.1313810293395; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 20:18:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from linlap.wavecable.com (76-14-154-236.rk.wavecable.com [76.14.154.236]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f8sm2841981pbk.86.2011.08.19.20.18.11 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 19 Aug 2011 20:18:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 20:17:46 -0700 From: Steve Holmes To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110820031746.GA25797@linlap.wavecable.com> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20110816062254.GA23553@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <4E4B3CD2.1060801@gmail.com> <20110817043504.GA19069@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <4E4BCAFF.70503@gmail.com> <4E4BCE1B.20008@the-brannons.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4E4BCE1B.20008@the-brannons.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Firefox 6 (with Aria improvements) X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 03:18:25 -0000 On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 09:20:11AM -0500, Deedra Waters wrote: > Hopefully tabbing through links and fields in thunderrd will behave > a little nicer with the upgrade though orca claims it's > inaccessible, or so it says when i alt tab through stuff, though it > still reads etc. I haven't tabbed through any HTML messages in thunderbird but Firefox, like I said before, tabbs beautifully now. From coffeekingms@gmail.com Sat Aug 20 04:35:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93DC375012C for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 04:35:53 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bGZOvbR5EJRT for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 04:35:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3869750072 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 04:35:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyd10 with SMTP id 10so3960458gyd.27 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 21:35:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=YLJJPFfjCzd7qLyTsdMEEe/mnxI9PrI8s05/rt89v4A=; b=CYHguRVceAeh5LqFuMeQPxVE+5KNPKTWCOcIeH5XyGuHkp+cz7EfVECAlKM//0RL7N ZoIL9kiiZplQjqRhrBcYZpc6WxjagzG2jkqSMlohQS2W36CFjrrj4tBaogL+uJfw6Lgy yWmJIwE7yeb3cJjvkXghdB3LP+WbiEcm/Truc= Received: by 10.90.248.15 with SMTP id v15mr103095agh.113.1313814941897; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 21:35:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.10.1.113] ([173.219.27.244]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm3213156and.25.2011.08.19.21.35.41 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 19 Aug 2011 21:35:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E4F399D.8070509@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 23:35:41 -0500 From: kendell clark User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110812 Thunderbird/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] introduction X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 04:35:53 -0000 hi all: I'm new to this list and orca. I'm currently trying out vinux as a possible replacement to windows, but am definitely a newbie at linux in general. If I ask questions that appear to be obvious please be patient with me, I'm not experienced with linux beyond sudo apt-get xxx. i'll google whenever possible, but help from other people is definitely appreciated. Thanks to all Kendell clark From GlennErvin@cableone.net Sat Aug 20 06:06:37 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 877907501C6 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 06:06:37 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Spam-Score: 2.148 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=2.148 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, DATE_IN_FUTURE_12_24=3.199, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.049, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QjDdzR4nuJP1 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 06:06:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from s5.cableone.net (s5.cableone.net [24.116.0.231]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F52F75012C for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 06:06:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from your9f1aaab2d8 (unverified [24.116.90.149]) by s5.cableone.net (CableOne SMTP Service s5) with ESMTP id 44666939-1872270 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 23:06:24 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Glenn" To: Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 01:06:24 -0500 Organization: Home MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-Vpipe: Scanner said ok (av_avast) X-IP-stats: Incoming Last 1, First 80, in=62, out=0, spam=0 ip=24.116.90.149 X-Originating-IP: 24.116.90.149 X-Abuse-Info: Send abuse complaints to abuse@cableone.net Subject: [orca-list] using Vinux X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Glenn List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 06:06:37 -0000 Hi, I am trying Vinux, since I could not get the Ubuntu 11.04 to work like 10.10. I am using the latest Vinux for USB, where it unzips onto a USB or SD card. I found also that the right control + alt functions don't work. For example, I have to do left control + left alt + T for terminal, and left F1 for the menus. Also, I cannot get voxin installed, This is the Voxin 0.36 and it seems to be missing a package and can't find what it needs on the Debian site when I run the voxin-installer.sh file. This is all frustrating, as I would like the latest package of Ubuntu, but I would like it to be like it was in 10.10. I used sighted help with the Ubuntu and did the log-out and classic display thing, and it was still not quite right. I had hopes of using Vinux, but if Voxin won't work, I'll have to ditch it, as I cannot deal with the voice of eSpeak. I hope someone has some ideas, as I feel that Linux is becoming less of an option for me. Glenn From kyle4jesus@gmail.com Sat Aug 20 06:37:52 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C04E87501C6 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 06:37:52 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.613 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.613 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_BT=0.077, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QgH6TPEQRUJL for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 06:37:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC37575012C for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 06:37:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywo32 with SMTP id 32so3970409ywo.27 for ; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 23:37:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:reply-to:to:subject:date:message-id:x-mailer:mime-version :content-language:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=x5X5Idelx6Ig12VeKEMAXCnLD0z7D9bWMjQycRW+NbU=; b=AILobvL2kw/K7D5HkpzWsjQ7L/Zyeg/QlEsppPTdy1+QYZoxI+F2fXs/Vpx3wVueU1 uQFqBhY6dB5pol3dGMT0/Bna5mHbidMvgT7FVx3YpHi4jXgOBIEHzO4uziQTvR7D9DcL t31/P1XJGllXdUgKscdtU6J1QeyOXvVAC3htk= Received: by 10.236.195.73 with SMTP id o49mr1190583yhn.23.1313822258245; Fri, 19 Aug 2011 23:37:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [26.224.203.169] (mff2c36d0.tmodns.net [208.54.44.255]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id b24sm2012117yhm.11.2011.08.19.23.37.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 19 Aug 2011 23:37:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "Kyle" To: orca-list@gnome.org Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 02:37:29 -0500 Message-ID: <7hRPqywRhZbY.sd38MLgL@smtp.gmail.com> X-Mailer: EPOC Email Version 2.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: i-default Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [orca-list] using Vinux X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Kyle List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 06:37:53 -0000 If you don't like the way eSpeak sounds, perhaps you will find SVOX pico = more to your liking. You will want to install libttspico0-utils I believe = it's called. As I recall, the latest speech-dispatcher should work with it = out of the box, but if not, you can install PicoSpeaker from http://picospeaker.Tk and I can set you up with a working speech-dispatcher configuration. This = is the setup I'm using on my desktop, and it's working pretty well. Also, as PicoSpeaker is my project, do send any feedback or bug reports to = the email address on the Help and Support section of the website. Once you = get SVox Pico up and running, I'm sure you'll find it to be much better = sounding, not to mention much better maintained, than Voxin, and all its = other various names. ~Kyle Sent from my Wishdroid! :) From chaltain@gmail.com Sat Aug 20 12:37:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ORCA-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: ORCA-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92CEE75010F for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 12:37:15 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.613 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.613 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_DP=0.077, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7ph+SSUXput7 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 12:37:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6A407500D1 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 12:37:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywo32 with SMTP id 32so4136762ywo.27 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 05:37:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/ANkNgcbj5I3wsYmAc/gjGpJJsL88uJBUhRc/mWdlos=; b=gebGzEUbjzx6SBiiuaJbjy4f5jX3qkFZ3TEeZH+18Ao0Zh9+P1Dis0q1J9pcuMmdic qOiI421cTS2wzLJkutCBMisXReQ3w0SGfZWkoLWRVketABlPjXNNoAhRNUqGsEct1ljD Imy/R5HyItU1SbCpbmk9MaWaujy7/TRQWIWEs= Received: by 10.90.41.31 with SMTP id o31mr433638ago.21.1313843821041; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 05:37:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.113] (cpe-173-174-56-115.austin.res.rr.com [173.174.56.115]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h25sm3493001anm.30.2011.08.20.05.36.59 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 20 Aug 2011 05:37:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E4FAA6B.3030903@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 07:36:59 -0500 From: Christopher Chaltain User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110516 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ORCA-list@gnome.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] using Vinux X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 12:37:15 -0000 Neither of these questions directly relate to Orca, so I'd suggest taking them to the vinux support list. That list gets quite a bit of volume, but it's great for a vinux user or anyone new to Linux. You need Voxin 0.37 for Vinux 3.2.1. Follow the link you got when you purchased Voxin, and you should end up with Voxin 0.37. I use Voxin myself, but there are some advantages to using eSpeak, so I'd suggest trying it from time to time to get used to the voice. For example, I use Voxin on my laptop, but I use eSpeak on my netbook. The problem with the right alt key is because Vinux comes up using the UK keyboard. I assume you're in the US. Here are the instructions from the vinux manual found on your desktop to change your default language and keyboard setting: Changing the Timezone, Language and Keyboard Layout After Installation After installation you may want to change the timezone, language and keyboard layout. The easiest way to change the time zone is to open a terminal (Ctrl+Alt+T) then type: sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata - this will open a simple text-based interface. Use the Up and Down keys to select the continent you are on and press Enter. Then press the first letter of city you want and then use the Up and Down keys to select it and press Enter. To change the language open the main menu and select System > Administration > Language Support. You will hear an error message saying that Language Support is not installed completely - you can ignore this for now and press Alt+R. Now tab to the Install/Remove Languages button and press Enter. Now press Tab to get to the language list, press the first two letters of the language you want and then use the Up and Down arrows to find it. When you have the right language selected press enter then Tab twice to get to the components options. Here you can select to install translations, spellchecking and writing aids, input methods and extra fonts (if available) by selecting the item and pressing the Space bar to check the box. Then tab twice to the Apply Changes button and press Enter. The language you selected will now be downloaded and installed. However to change the language you will need to log out of the system (by pressing Ctrl+Alt+Backspace) and change the language at the login screen. To do this press Enter on your user name and then Ctrl+Alt+Tab to get to the panel, then press Tab twice to get to the language combobox. Then press the Down key to bring up the list of available languages. Use the Up and Down keys to select the language you want and press Enter. You can then enter your password and press enter to log back in. The easiest way to choose a new keyboard layout is also at the login screen. Follow the instructions above to get to the panel, press Tab three times (or just once if you have just selected the language) and use the Down key to bring up a list of keyboard layouts. You can press the first letter of the layout you want and use the Up and Down keys to find the one you want. Then press Enter, put in your password and press Enter again to log back in. On 21/08/11 01:06, Glenn wrote: > Hi, > I am trying Vinux, since I could not get the Ubuntu 11.04 to work like > 10.10. I am using the latest Vinux for USB, where it unzips onto a USB or > SD card. I found also that the right control + alt functions don't work. > For example, I have to do left control + left alt + T for terminal, and left > F1 for the menus. Also, I cannot get voxin installed, This is the Voxin > 0.36 and it seems to be missing a package and can't find what it needs on > the Debian site when I run the voxin-installer.sh file. > This is all frustrating, as I would like the latest package of Ubuntu, but I > would like it to be like it was in 10.10. > I used sighted help with the Ubuntu and did the log-out and classic display > thing, and it was still not quite right. > I had hopes of using Vinux, but if Voxin won't work, I'll have to ditch it, > as I cannot deal with the voice of eSpeak. > I hope someone has some ideas, as I feel that Linux is becoming less of an > option for me. > Glenn > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain@gmail.com From tamara.8024@comcast.net Sat Aug 20 15:03:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBE0175009F for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 15:03:28 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.838 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.838 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.048, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EbM2DhrXTtsW for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 15:03:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.80]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0681750081 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 15:03:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta23.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.90]) by qmta08.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id NeoF1h0021wfjNsA8f3CeU; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 15:03:12 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.59.130.75]) by omta23.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Nf3M1h0151dkw7b8jf3Ndy; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 15:03:23 +0000 From: Tami Kinney To: orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20110815194939.GA16134@Jupiter> References: <20110815194939.GA16134@Jupiter> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 08:03:12 -0700 Message-ID: <1313852592.2239.2.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] scope of this list X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 15:03:29 -0000 Well, as a newbie to Orca and new return after too many years to Linux, I am learning much from the discussions even when they're over my head. Especially when they discuss distros with Orca and accessibility. I'm also a newbie to this list and other resources for Linux and accessibility with Linux, so feel free to weigh my opinion accordingly. /smile/ Tami On Mon, 2011-08-15 at 20:49 +0100, Jon wrote: > Dear all, > > A general note, > I feel that the orca list has been diluted recently to include a lot of topics > that belong on several other lists. I don't know if you feel the same. > > I know that it would be good to have one point of contact, but this > means that we all have to see unrelated posts and that we get less > productive. > > > Please remember: > * the orca list, is for discussing orca related problems, and how a > particular problem should be solved if we have alternatives. > * general linux discussions and accessibility of each distro may be > discussed on the blinux list > * vinux related questions should be on the vinux mailing list > * ubuntu/unity problems may be best discusssed on the ubuntu > accessibility mailing list. > > Do people feel the same/any other views? > > Thank you > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From thomasward1978@gmail.com Sat Aug 20 15:59:54 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ORCA-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: ORCA-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE715750081 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 15:59:54 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.523 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.523 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_DP=0.077] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3Cf--rmHmGEo for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 15:59:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com (mail-iy0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0D77750070 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 15:59:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iye7 with SMTP id 7so8366399iye.3 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 08:59:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=vsSHJ7V23b2CLe697tyUovyEXwlXRUhvXzZY+m2kiOM=; b=R6pgs6oHz/por/Y+U0Yke9+p6uj7PVr3ADdg0bmAWnypd8bbkUVZndHGPGj3ir7AMO 6d1mOqdH+PqIw5R9Nb6VpzwHXAb/OpPLqmIikzvil6kvPYOQLsLO+LtNLLqUCkJo5+PY KFMFBHzTNZJEIZV7AQ+se3t2MKrjoqRG9XDZ0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.24.66 with SMTP id u2mr1499782ibb.11.1313855981999; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 08:59:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.1.213 with HTTP; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 08:59:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4E4FAA6B.3030903@gmail.com> References: <4E4FAA6B.3030903@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:59:41 -0400 Message-ID: From: Thomas Ward To: Christopher Chaltain Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: ORCA-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] using Vinux X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 15:59:55 -0000 Hi, What do you do if you lost your original e-mail with the download link? Does that mean you have to purchase a new license for Voxin? I purchased Voxin quite some time ago, but unfortunately the machine that the e-mail was saved on got whiped out and I no longer have the download link to download updates. Was wondering if there was a fair way to get that information without having to purchase all the Voxin voices again. Cheers! On 8/20/11, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > Neither of these questions directly relate to Orca, so I'd suggest > taking them to the vinux support list. That list gets quite a bit of > volume, but it's great for a vinux user or anyone new to Linux. > > You need Voxin 0.37 for Vinux 3.2.1. Follow the link you got when you > purchased Voxin, and you should end up with Voxin 0.37. I use Voxin > myself, but there are some advantages to using eSpeak, so I'd suggest > trying it from time to time to get used to the voice. For example, I use > Voxin on my laptop, but I use eSpeak on my netbook. > > The problem with the right alt key is because Vinux comes up using the > UK keyboard. I assume you're in the US. > > Here are the instructions from the vinux manual found on your desktop to > change your default language and keyboard setting: > > Changing the Timezone, Language and Keyboard Layout After Installation > > After installation you may want to change the timezone, language and > keyboard layout. The easiest way to change the time zone is to open a > terminal (Ctrl+Alt+T) then type: sudo dpkg-reconfigure tzdata - this > will open a simple text-based interface. Use the Up and Down keys to > select the continent you are on and press Enter. Then press the first > letter of city you want and then use the Up and Down keys to select it > and press Enter. To change the language open the main menu and select > System > Administration > Language Support. You will hear an error > message saying that Language Support is not installed completely - you > can ignore this for now and press Alt+R. Now tab to the Install/Remove > Languages button and press Enter. Now press Tab to get to the language > list, press the first two letters of the language you want and then use > the Up and Down arrows to find it. When you have the right language > selected press enter then Tab twice to get to the components options. > Here you can select to install translations, spellchecking and writing > aids, input methods and extra fonts (if available) by selecting the item > and pressing the Space bar to check the box. Then tab twice to the Apply > Changes button and press Enter. The language you selected will now be > downloaded and installed. However to change the language you will need > to log out of the system (by pressing Ctrl+Alt+Backspace) and change the > language at the login screen. To do this press Enter on your user name > and then Ctrl+Alt+Tab to get to the panel, then press Tab twice to get > to the language combobox. Then press the Down key to bring up the list > of available languages. Use the Up and Down keys to select the language > you want and press Enter. You can then enter your password and press > enter to log back in. The easiest way to choose a new keyboard layout is > also at the login screen. Follow the instructions above to get to the > panel, press Tab three times (or just once if you have just selected the > language) and use the Down key to bring up a list of keyboard layouts. > You can press the first letter of the layout you want and use the Up and > Down keys to find the one you want. Then press Enter, put in your > password and press Enter again to log back in. From tamara.8024@comcast.net Sat Aug 20 16:02:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BD79750081 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 16:02:17 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.838 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.838 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.048, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nYLx96sx7iB2 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 16:02:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E60B750070 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 16:02:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.11]) by qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Ng201h0010EPchoA1g22NG; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 16:02:02 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.59.130.75]) by omta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Ng281h00K1dkw7b8Mg29qc; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 16:02:10 +0000 From: Tami Kinney To: orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 09:02:01 -0700 Message-ID: <1313856121.2239.4.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Using Gnome Terminal with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 16:02:17 -0000 Hi, Where can I find a good reference on using the Gnome Terminal with Orca. For instance, keystrokes to read output to the terminal, especially when it is longer than the displayed screen. Thanks! Tami From tamara.8024@comcast.net Sat Aug 20 16:05:15 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F76B750081 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 16:05:15 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.838 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.838 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.048, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iSY6PPb8bIwe for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 16:05:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.227]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D33C750070 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 16:05:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.71]) by qmta12.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id NfzT1h0031Y3wxoACg4zkj; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 16:04:59 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.59.130.75]) by omta15.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Ng4a1h00i1dkw7b8bg4a33; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 16:04:35 +0000 From: Tami Kinney To: orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 09:05:00 -0700 Message-ID: <1313856300.2239.7.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Using Festival of mBrola with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 16:05:15 -0000 Currently, I am using Orca with speech dispatcher and eSpeak, using the deafault voice. I tried to add Festival and mBrola, then had to undo all of that because Orca was not working at all. Which could have been me. Is this more of a speech dispatcher question, or is it Orca-related? Thanks in advance Tami From mj@mjw.se Sat Aug 20 16:50:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1054750081 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 16:50:02 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.479 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.479 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.982, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.439] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1UPi2nt70bXg for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 16:50:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mjw.se (host-88-80-29-25.cust.prq.se [88.80.29.25]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1A3B750070 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 16:49:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mj (c-e316e255.457-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se [85.226.22.227]) by mjw.se (vPostMaster) with ESMTP id E273C1DBE for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 18:49:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003201cc5f59$2c58d8d0$0202fea9@mj> From: "mattias" To: References: <1313856300.2239.7.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 18:49:45 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3664 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3664 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Using Festival of mBrola with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 16:50:02 -0000 stupid i can use festival and mbrola with no problems ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tami Kinney" To: Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 6:05 PM Subject: [orca-list] Using Festival of mBrola with Orca > Currently, I am using Orca with speech dispatcher and eSpeak, using the > deafault voice. I tried to add Festival and mBrola, then had to undo all > of that because Orca was not working at all. Which could have been me. > > Is this more of a speech dispatcher question, or is it Orca-related? > > Thanks in advance > > Tami > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > From mj@mjw.se Sat Aug 20 16:56:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7931E75009F for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 16:56:10 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.479 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.479 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.982, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.439] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZzG2mb9T123n for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 16:56:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mjw.se (host-88-80-29-25.cust.prq.se [88.80.29.25]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60E83750081 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 16:56:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mj (c-e316e255.457-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se [85.226.22.227]) by mjw.se (vPostMaster) with ESMTP id 656501B5F for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 18:55:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003601cc5f5a$08023700$0202fea9@mj> From: "mattias" To: References: <1313856300.2239.7.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 18:55:54 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3664 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3664 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Using Festival of mBrola with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 16:56:10 -0000 you say orca not work when you add e.g festival or can you start orca or not? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tami Kinney" To: Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 6:05 PM Subject: [orca-list] Using Festival of mBrola with Orca > Currently, I am using Orca with speech dispatcher and eSpeak, using the > deafault voice. I tried to add Festival and mBrola, then had to undo all > of that because Orca was not working at all. Which could have been me. > > Is this more of a speech dispatcher question, or is it Orca-related? > > Thanks in advance > > Tami > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > From hackingkk@gmail.com Sat Aug 20 18:51:55 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Delivered-To: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0101075009F for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 18:51:55 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0JttdYJs92wF for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 18:51:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pz0-f41.google.com (mail-pz0-f41.google.com [209.85.210.41]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90676750081 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 18:51:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk4 with SMTP id 4so7357272pzk.0 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:51:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Xuk44xXOBxzgklGNnqNt/I+lcjGRmVunu7TCHj9xAKU=; b=UMMXyyykCYDlzGsI6NDsSKiHFAUOvXmqDM6Ar+DmtN1nlqObg6DdHOz9Ae9rMDxx3h mptcfzdf5amKNpm1CFI2bHOFo5bigvPzt9SUIexF4j9N7mo+vlfMq941IXG/IYRvwj+G /K8uwoCTNMThWoJWwDwQiTiqo2H8T4P4bhKAY= Received: by 10.142.241.13 with SMTP id o13mr511348wfh.351.1313866302769; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:51:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (triband-mum-59.183.43.140.mtnl.net.in [59.183.43.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f20sm1999412wfl.9.2011.08.20.11.51.40 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:51:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E500239.5080209@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 00:21:37 +0530 From: hackingKK User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110424 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: The Vinux Support Forum Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Subject: [orca-list] is any one working on libre office accessibility actively? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 18:51:55 -0000 Hello all, I see that ever since open office was forked into libre office, there has not been much talk on current development of accessibility with orca? is there some document which has any updates? Is any one working on presentation, there are also some issues with spreadsheet as well. Can some one give some update? Happy hacking. Krishnakant. From tamara.8024@comcast.net Sat Aug 20 23:32:24 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4976A750114 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 23:32:24 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.838 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.838 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.048, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xf-5Oh74ld00 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 23:32:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.48]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 254B9750069 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 23:32:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.73]) by qmta05.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id NnWz1h0011afHeLA5nY8ol; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 23:32:08 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.59.130.75]) by omta17.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id NnZK1h00f1dkw7b8dnZL7Z; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 23:33:20 +0000 From: Tami Kinney To: orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <003601cc5f5a$08023700$0202fea9@mj> References: <1313856300.2239.7.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> <003601cc5f5a$08023700$0202fea9@mj> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 16:32:09 -0700 Message-ID: <1313883129.2309.1.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Using Festival of mBrola with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 23:32:24 -0000 I just tried again and restarted the computer. Orca started fine, but I find no mention of Festival in the Orca settings. I am exploring to find out how it all works together. Tami On Sat, 2011-08-20 at 18:55 +0200, mattias wrote: > you say orca not work when you add e.g festival > or can you start orca or not? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tami Kinney" > To: > Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 6:05 PM > Subject: [orca-list] Using Festival of mBrola with Orca > > > > Currently, I am using Orca with speech dispatcher and eSpeak, using the > > deafault voice. I tried to add Festival and mBrola, then had to undo all > > of that because Orca was not working at all. Which could have been me. > > > > Is this more of a speech dispatcher question, or is it Orca-related? > > > > Thanks in advance > > > > Tami > > > > _______________________________________________ > > orca-list mailing list > > orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > > The manual is at > > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > > Netiquette Guidelines are at > > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From mj@mjw.se Sat Aug 20 23:39:51 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29224750116 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 23:39:51 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.479 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.479 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.982, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.439] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PoJPXiTDFP4y for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 23:39:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mjw.se (host-88-80-29-25.cust.prq.se [88.80.29.25]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3C67750069 for ; Sat, 20 Aug 2011 23:39:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mj (c-3717e255.457-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se [85.226.23.55]) by mjw.se (vPostMaster) with ESMTP id 3B4B4B41 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 01:39:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005d01cc5f92$6b9543b0$3717e255@mj> From: "mattias" To: References: <1313856300.2239.7.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance><003601cc5f5a$08023700$0202fea9@mj> <1313883129.2309.1.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 01:39:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3664 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3664 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Using Festival of mBrola with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 23:39:51 -0000 if you running debian or ubuntu: apt-get install speech-dispatcher-festival apt-get install festival-freebosft-utils or what the package are called not remember after that you must start festival serve from the run dialog in gnome: festival --server it worked for me ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tami Kinney" To: Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 1:32 AM Subject: Re: [orca-list] Using Festival of mBrola with Orca >I just tried again and restarted the computer. Orca started fine, but I > find no mention of Festival in the Orca settings. I am exploring to find > out how it all works together. > > Tami > > On Sat, 2011-08-20 at 18:55 +0200, mattias wrote: >> you say orca not work when you add e.g festival >> or can you start orca or not? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tami Kinney" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 6:05 PM >> Subject: [orca-list] Using Festival of mBrola with Orca >> >> >> > Currently, I am using Orca with speech dispatcher and eSpeak, using the >> > deafault voice. I tried to add Festival and mBrola, then had to undo >> > all >> > of that because Orca was not working at all. Which could have been me. >> > >> > Is this more of a speech dispatcher question, or is it Orca-related? >> > >> > Thanks in advance >> > >> > Tami >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > orca-list mailing list >> > orca-list@gnome.org >> > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> > The manual is at >> > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> > Netiquette Guidelines are at >> > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at >> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Netiquette Guidelines are at >> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > From jason@jasonjgw.net Sun Aug 21 03:08:32 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92E16750069 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 03:08:32 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.355 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.355 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, KHOP_DYNAMIC=0.906, RCVD_IN_BRBL_LASTEXT=1.449] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kmYtBCp5HFwV for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 03:08:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from jdc.jasonjgw.net (ppp198-218.static.internode.on.net [59.167.198.218]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E47075004D for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 03:08:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by jdc.jasonjgw.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5BD34180E06F8; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 13:08:18 +1000 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=jasonjgw.net; s=mail; t=1313896098; bh=+Eyckn9KcMWfPlcXuedHboLgnPdlvFpCw1vs6sWVnPY=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:In-Reply-To; b=IPFtS07ZJl2+FhT0mOG+7J1U/YogKdWV4f2Kd8zkX7W0L49uCz2quCHk3er8liEdE osenuDfvpZeDMPbwBz5K3uFTXCzEVlDez1uptmSaUqdma6w1MI1tRKs+8Q3x+ZfHe3 mksxrZc58tErPeR7P8+GyUh0E13g25gqECt9xf5M= Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 13:08:18 +1000 From: Jason White To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110821030818.GA10790@jdc.jasonjgw.net> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20110817034035.GA18323@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <20110817130106.GA17132@exception> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20110817130106.GA17132@exception> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Handling of Speech-Dispatcher in Gnome sessions X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 03:08:32 -0000 Trevor Saunders wrote: > Hi, > > the speechd list might be better, but here is fine for now I think. I'll gladly submit a bug report if necessary. > It sounds like for some reason the python speechd bindings can't open > the servers socket, though I'm not really sure why. Could you > capture the output of orca the second time you start X hopefully the > speechd python lib will throw an exception somewhere. What's the correct procedure for enabling logging now that Orca has moved to Gsettings for its configuration? Sorry if this is documented somewhere that ought to be obvious... From dusek@brailcom.org Sun Aug 21 07:16:07 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BB6A750006 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 07:16:07 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Gh4E1D6YzWQG for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 07:16:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from brailcom.org (brailcom.cesnet.cz [195.113.161.15]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAAC5750009 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 07:15:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ip-94-113-113-118.net.upcbroadband.cz ([94.113.113.118] helo=pioneer.butterfly.xx) by brailcom.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qv2G9-0008I6-F6 for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 09:15:53 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) From: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Boris_Du=B9ek?= In-Reply-To: <1313883129.2309.1.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 09:15:48 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <1313856300.2239.7.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> <003601cc5f5a$08023700$0202fea9@mj> <1313883129.2309.1.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> To: orca-list X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Using Festival of mBrola with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 07:16:07 -0000 21.8.2011 v 1:32, Tami Kinney: > I just tried again and restarted the computer. Orca started fine, but = I > find no mention of Festival in the Orca settings. I am exploring to = find > out how it all works together. Setting up festival with speech-dispatcher is a bit more involved than = just installing the festival package. You can find instructions on how = to do it on Ubuntu (and probably Debian) at our Accessibility Guide = here: http://live.freebsoft.org/ubuntu-festival You also must make sure the AddModule "festival" ... line in = /etc/speech-dispatcher/speechd.conf is uncommented.= From webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl Sun Aug 21 12:15:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A8167500C7 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 12:15:13 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.947 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.947 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.946, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id una0OaoJazj8 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 12:15:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpo15.poczta.onet.pl (smtpo15.poczta.onet.pl [213.180.142.146]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A8F7750091 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 12:15:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [193.200.46.16] (unknown [193.200.46.16]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl) by smtp.poczta.onet.pl (Onet) with ESMTPSA id 8BEFB2008E0E8 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 14:14:58 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=poczta.onet.pl; s=2011; t=1313928898; bh=lfrAVbBByefgjgEni0RxvyTmiQ+KfDgPl6RqevdrdsQ=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=T/FA1jPZQ0OfgEd0vSjVQGxWoqqVRMntKlMNqMlVi0p+jJdJtoe4r3SO9elCDKInY Cb3QUYBOGzZMUYKgBxO8FGjrHCkWC7Px+bD+BbbsKFpy7pCYSJpG4i4Rf+kUQ3JnZB HVN6cJPsj4ccTIGEPT5M7D1pQqG699GfYuCRSpiQ= Message-ID: <4E50F6C2.2080907@poczta.onet.pl> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 14:14:58 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?TWljaGHFgiBaZWdhbg==?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110617 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <1313856121.2239.4.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> In-Reply-To: <1313856121.2239.4.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Using Gnome Terminal with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 12:15:13 -0000 Actually, you just use flat review, if the output is larger than the screen, you scroll it up and down. shift+page up scrolls it up, shift+page down scrolls it down, and there's a setting that says that pressing any key automatically scrolls back to the end. W dniu 20.08.2011 18:02, Tami Kinney pisze: > Hi, > > Where can I find a good reference on using the Gnome Terminal with Orca. > For instance, keystrokes to read output to the terminal, especially when > it is longer than the displayed screen. > > Thanks! > > Tami > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > From stormdragon2976@gmail.com Sun Aug 21 13:56:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E37657500ED for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 13:56:23 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d+MLOxiUtNYz for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 13:56:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C35675008C for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 13:56:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxn22 with SMTP id 22so3515016yxn.27 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 06:56:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id :mime-version:x-mailer; bh=1Mt3BEIAVT6E0GPQWblOhXVJULRbm4PJAwxybIfyMoY=; b=fImExbYWFfTySA+pTBO9Q7d69XpDfOTTUWEoYKCAJ8hz8sRSISMS4XhKdSpJon9/zG usqxoXlET6HgeD/B6r3fRP6752Ta8YmjjsWpvHuV2N1erFagBQuCZd2ILslptPurdDRq K3/hRjLLKq01vGLxRwGmtMTTCpgzIffxkGC0s= Received: by 10.236.182.7 with SMTP id n7mr7697977yhm.69.1313934964360; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 06:56:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.105] ([137.118.186.73]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f48sm3678031yhh.28.2011.08.21.06.56.02 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 21 Aug 2011 06:56:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Storm Dragon To: Orca-list In-Reply-To: <4E50F6C2.2080907@poczta.onet.pl> References: <1313856121.2239.4.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> <4E50F6C2.2080907@poczta.onet.pl> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-KirHOeAIyoHmVcJulyr4" Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 09:55:59 -0400 Message-ID: <1313934959.2705.6.camel@alicia-laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.3 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Using Gnome Terminal with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 13:56:24 -0000 --=-KirHOeAIyoHmVcJulyr4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, The one problem with gnome-terminal is there's no way to select text to copy from that application. It used to work using flat review, but something happened, I can't remember what, and it no longer works. The way I get around this is by using screen. My .screenrc file is set up so that I can press control+b after copying something to screen's internal buffer and it will then place it in the clipboard so I can paste it into whatever I need. If you are interested in this setup there's more info at: http://stormdragon.us/?p=118 HTH Storm -- Vinux Publicity Coordinator: http://www.vinuxproject.org/ Registered Linux user number 508465: http://counter.li.org/ My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon: http://www.stormdragon.us/ How many Internet mail list subscribers does it take to change a lightbulb? http://goo.gl/eO4PJ My last.fm profile: http://www.last.fm/user/stormdragon2976 "And the blood drains down like devil's rain, We'll bathe tonight." The Misfits On Sun, 2011-08-21 at 14:14 +0200, MichaÅ‚ Zegan wrote: > Actually, you just use flat review, if the output is larger than the > screen, you scroll it up and down. > shift+page up scrolls it up, shift+page down scrolls it down, and > there's a setting that says that pressing any key automatically scrolls > back to the end. > W dniu 20.08.2011 18:02, Tami Kinney pisze: > > Hi, > > > > Where can I find a good reference on using the Gnome Terminal with Orca. > > For instance, keystrokes to read output to the terminal, especially when > > it is longer than the displayed screen. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Tami > > > > _______________________________________________ > > orca-list mailing list > > orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp --=-KirHOeAIyoHmVcJulyr4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi,
The one problem with gnome-terminal is there's no way to select text to copy from that application. It used to work using flat review, but something happened, I can't remember what, and it no longer works. The way I get around this is by using screen. My .screenrc file is set up so that I can press control+b after copying something to screen's internal buffer and it will then place it in the clipboard so I can paste it into whatever I need. If you are interested in this setup there's more info at:
http://stormdragon.us/?p=118
HTH
Storm
-- 
Vinux Publicity Coordinator: http://www.vinuxproject.org/
Registered Linux user number 508465: http://counter.li.org/
My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon: http://www.stormdragon.us/
How many Internet mail list subscribers does it take to change a lightbulb? http://goo.gl/eO4PJ
My last.fm profile: http://www.last.fm/user/stormdragon2976
"And the blood drains down like devil's rain, We'll bathe tonight."
The Misfits


On Sun, 2011-08-21 at 14:14 +0200, Michał Zegan wrote: 
Actually, you just use flat review, if the output is larger than the 
screen, you scroll it up and down.
shift+page up scrolls it up, shift+page down scrolls it down, and 
there's a setting that says that pressing any key automatically scrolls 
back to the end.
W dniu 20.08.2011 18:02, Tami Kinney pisze:
> Hi,
>
> Where can I find a good reference on using the Gnome Terminal with Orca.
> For instance, keystrokes to read output to the terminal, especially when
> it is longer than the displayed screen.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Tami
>
> _______________________________________________
> orca-list mailing list
> orca-list@gnome.org
> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines
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The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
--=-KirHOeAIyoHmVcJulyr4-- From chaltain@gmail.com Sun Aug 21 15:24:47 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12AB475004D for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 15:24:47 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6RbtP2Gh7Cgr for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 15:24:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gw0-f54.google.com (mail-gw0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FAEE750009 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 15:24:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwb15 with SMTP id 15so4187253gwb.27 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 08:24:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=YSyiTTCxGS3/zg9KD8PxJ7G2A/Sm5ZVUNNgIkl7mVWA=; b=Kb1LwnKQQnLTG2LPe2zFsngUfHdXHjsWhlyVupAY0r++vnulvifBm89KZQFdOt8v1r F9b62WJVIJcmcTjsPP28kPgMHfj1dxvwKt6jGI41kFsyB1nrtIZcWixLsa6usdf+0wFQ Ak8DgmHYZFlD3jETIGyd/6gp4cphL4CU59DQs= Received: by 10.236.9.101 with SMTP id 65mr8338663yhs.11.1313940273687; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 08:24:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.113] (cpe-173-174-56-115.austin.res.rr.com [173.174.56.115]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w1sm3564163yhi.9.2011.08.21.08.24.32 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 21 Aug 2011 08:24:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E512330.8040902@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 10:24:32 -0500 From: Christopher Chaltain User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110516 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Orca-list References: <1313856121.2239.4.camel@Tami-Pangolin-Performance> <4E50F6C2.2080907@poczta.onet.pl> <1313934959.2705.6.camel@alicia-laptop> In-Reply-To: <1313934959.2705.6.camel@alicia-laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Using Gnome Terminal with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 15:24:47 -0000 Ah, this sounds more elegant than my solution, but I usually just use Edit -> Select All followed by either Edit -> Copy or just control+shift+c. This copies everything in the terminal to the clipboard. I can then paste it into gedit to pluck out the text I'm interested in. Obviously another solution would be to redirect the output of a command to a file. I'm now off to read Storm's web page. On 21/08/11 08:55, Storm Dragon wrote: > Hi, > The one problem with gnome-terminal is there's no way to select text to > copy from that application. It used to work using flat review, but > something happened, I can't remember what, and it no longer works. The > way I get around this is by using screen. My .screenrc file is set up so > that I can press control+b after copying something to screen's internal > buffer and it will then place it in the clipboard so I can paste it into > whatever I need. If you are interested in this setup there's more info at: > http://stormdragon.us/?p=118 > HTH > Storm > -- > > Vinux Publicity Coordinator: http://www.vinuxproject.org/ > Registered Linux user number 508465: http://counter.li.org/ > My blog, Thoughts of a Dragon: http://www.stormdragon.us/ > How many Internet mail list subscribers does it take to change a lightbulb? http://goo.gl/eO4PJ > My last.fm profile: http://www.last.fm/user/stormdragon2976 > "And the blood drains down like devil's rain, We'll bathe tonight." > The Misfits > > > > On Sun, 2011-08-21 at 14:14 +0200, Michał Zegan wrote: >> Actually, you just use flat review, if the output is larger than the >> screen, you scroll it up and down. >> shift+page up scrolls it up, shift+page down scrolls it down, and >> there's a setting that says that pressing any key automatically scrolls >> back to the end. >> W dniu 20.08.2011 18:02, Tami Kinney pisze: >> > Hi, >> > >> > Where can I find a good reference on using the Gnome Terminal with Orca. >> > For instance, keystrokes to read output to the terminal, especially when >> > it is longer than the displayed screen. >> > >> > Thanks! >> > >> > Tami >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > orca-list mailing list >> > orca-list@gnome.org >> > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain@gmail.com From hackingkk@gmail.com Sun Aug 21 16:55:34 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE88F75004D for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 16:55:34 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aMCk0RBnyYcK for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 16:55:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pz0-f41.google.com (mail-pz0-f41.google.com [209.85.210.41]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9314750009 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 16:55:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk4 with SMTP id 4so8303972pzk.0 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 09:55:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=VUhqfAomLL6lldvtCrMFKKAmbGceWhjKDFgyZyW84/0=; b=dXimDuT+q0eqOT8ZVumD5hbPktq5Nd1x0joSQXDjFyB8E503REFB+f40D+g/B54Z6J cLygzSk9ukRJZRmVcvzd33zUJsbwGqqKLgVq9ZHseaWbhC8eUyu3gxNDQfn8JTyd7/4m b1fRHQGm9B0ZnWaXf9aQoZcXAF+dRc9Ruy+AE= Received: by 10.142.203.17 with SMTP id a17mr1146461wfg.376.1313945721774; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 09:55:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (triband-mum-59.183.56.159.mtnl.net.in [59.183.56.159]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id jg5sm3751622pbc.72.2011.08.21.09.55.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 21 Aug 2011 09:55:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E51386F.7060607@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 22:25:11 +0530 From: hackingKK User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110424 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Glenn References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] using Vinux X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 16:55:35 -0000 I wonder if the right alt or control not working due to uk keyboard layout? Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 21/08/11 11:36, Glenn wrote: > Hi, > I am trying Vinux, since I could not get the Ubuntu 11.04 to work like > 10.10. I am using the latest Vinux for USB, where it unzips onto a USB or > SD card. I found also that the right control + alt functions don't work. > For example, I have to do left control + left alt + T for terminal, and left > F1 for the menus. Also, I cannot get voxin installed, This is the Voxin > 0.36 and it seems to be missing a package and can't find what it needs on > the Debian site when I run the voxin-installer.sh file. > This is all frustrating, as I would like the latest package of Ubuntu, but I > would like it to be like it was in 10.10. > I used sighted help with the Ubuntu and did the log-out and classic display > thing, and it was still not quite right. > I had hopes of using Vinux, but if Voxin won't work, I'll have to ditch it, > as I cannot deal with the voice of eSpeak. > I hope someone has some ideas, as I feel that Linux is becoming less of an > option for me. > Glenn > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > From ka1cey@gmail.com Sun Aug 21 19:41:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E5CF750085 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 19:41:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ohFGLQ4qzKtq for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 19:41:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pz0-f41.google.com (mail-pz0-f41.google.com [209.85.210.41]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3DA175004D for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 19:41:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk4 with SMTP id 4so8441572pzk.0 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 12:41:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=Gymt8fDNmCs6VPmgF0XFpFLma8l7DesjANRpBDVMRj8=; b=IPUYXPIOqyfw63LPyWLKh/fcQgqDZtPNey8KCD4lPfGz7haaYU5cxbZ29WR4mCFZ+b dzBOFvj5+fghJisB42q1Gxnd/746rPtky5JSggpEDJDkp8YFPthyN7QspUvR5bEWfl/6 aDzvFcA8pMjWRLfSHqGbrf6wRpXrgNvmCBlKg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.214.9 with SMTP id m9mr1186498wfg.177.1313955705789; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 12:41:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.49.1 with HTTP; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 12:41:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4E51386F.7060607@gmail.com> References: <4E51386F.7060607@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 15:41:45 -0400 Message-ID: From: Dave Hunt To: hackingKK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Glenn , orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] using Vinux X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 19:41:58 -0000 I suspect the UK keyboard layout here. On one of my Vinux installs, I remember having to do something to the right alt key in the keyboard preferences for Gnome. Had to tell prefs applet that some other key was '3rd-level', thereby making 'right-alt' available. I haven't had to do this in subsequent installs, though. Strange, Dave H. I tweet as wx1gdave On 8/21/11, hackingKK wrote: > I wonder if the right alt or control not working due to uk keyboard layout? > Happy hacking. > Krishnakant. > On 21/08/11 11:36, Glenn wrote: >> Hi, >> I am trying Vinux, since I could not get the Ubuntu 11.04 to work like >> 10.10. I am using the latest Vinux for USB, where it unzips onto a USB or >> SD card. I found also that the right control + alt functions don't work. >> For example, I have to do left control + left alt + T for terminal, and >> left >> F1 for the menus. Also, I cannot get voxin installed, This is the Voxin >> 0.36 and it seems to be missing a package and can't find what it needs on >> the Debian site when I run the voxin-installer.sh file. >> This is all frustrating, as I would like the latest package of Ubuntu, but >> I >> would like it to be like it was in 10.10. >> I used sighted help with the Ubuntu and did the log-out and classic >> display >> thing, and it was still not quite right. >> I had hopes of using Vinux, but if Voxin won't work, I'll have to ditch >> it, >> as I cannot deal with the voice of eSpeak. >> I hope someone has some ideas, as I feel that Linux is becoming less of an >> option for me. >> Glenn >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at >> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Netiquette Guidelines are at >> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >> > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > From jdashiel@shellworld.net Sun Aug 21 21:33:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08657750009 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 21:33:59 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.18 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.18 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.946, SARE_RECV_IP_069060096=1.666] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SUkhu4ZqU6kf for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 21:33:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server1.shellworld.net (shellworld.net [69.60.117.94]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF485750065 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 21:33:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by server1.shellworld.net (Postfix, from userid 1024) id DDB2D22A57; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 16:33:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server1.shellworld.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB03522A4E; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 17:33:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 17:33:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Jude DaShiell To: Dave Hunt In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <4E51386F.7060607@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Cc: orca-list@gnome.org, Glenn Subject: Re: [orca-list] using Vinux X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 21:33:59 -0000 The fact anyone is having this problem with vinux makes it a bug. Debian asks an installer which language country and keyboard and adjusts accordingly. What's with Vinux?On Sun, 21 Aug 2011, Dave Hunt wrote: > I suspect the UK keyboard layout here. On one of my Vinux installs, I > remember having to do something to the right alt key in the keyboard > preferences for Gnome. Had to tell prefs applet that some other key > was '3rd-level', thereby making 'right-alt' available. I haven't had > to do this in subsequent installs, though. > > > Strange, > > > Dave H. > > > I tweet as wx1gdave > > > > > On 8/21/11, hackingKK wrote: > > I wonder if the right alt or control not working due to uk keyboard layout? > > Happy hacking. > > Krishnakant. > > On 21/08/11 11:36, Glenn wrote: > >> Hi, > >> I am trying Vinux, since I could not get the Ubuntu 11.04 to work like > >> 10.10. I am using the latest Vinux for USB, where it unzips onto a USB or > >> SD card. I found also that the right control + alt functions don't work. > >> For example, I have to do left control + left alt + T for terminal, and > >> left > >> F1 for the menus. Also, I cannot get voxin installed, This is the Voxin > >> 0.36 and it seems to be missing a package and can't find what it needs on > >> the Debian site when I run the voxin-installer.sh file. > >> This is all frustrating, as I would like the latest package of Ubuntu, but > >> I > >> would like it to be like it was in 10.10. > >> I used sighted help with the Ubuntu and did the log-out and classic > >> display > >> thing, and it was still not quite right. > >> I had hopes of using Vinux, but if Voxin won't work, I'll have to ditch > >> it, > >> as I cannot deal with the voice of eSpeak. > >> I hope someone has some ideas, as I feel that Linux is becoming less of an > >> option for me. > >> Glenn > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> orca-list mailing list > >> orca-list@gnome.org > >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > >> The manual is at > >> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > >> Netiquette Guidelines are at > >> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > orca-list mailing list > > orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > > The manual is at > > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > > Netiquette Guidelines are at > > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > Jude "I love the Pope, I love seeing him in his Pope-Mobile, his three feet of bullet proof plexi-glass. That's faith in action folks! You know he's got God on his side." ~ Bill Hicks From rickfunes@yahoo.com Sun Aug 21 21:38:24 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C813F750065 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 21:38:24 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.935 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.935 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.946, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OwfGGP8Dfelf for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 21:38:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm30.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm30.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.100]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E2AE1750009 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 21:38:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.91.66] by nm30.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2011 21:38:12 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.199] by tm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2011 21:38:12 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2011 21:38:12 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1313962692; bh=D9ZI6fSnhgf+AZUXV4ga5YIcUhvgvxfTMc6NwZv6Zcw=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=cMd530AiugydGKtZILjc2hrNZcBs3zdR6sI5aeXATAcpW35dOxM7ICRbSumCo3rAvWpBpVdNtvbEyLnxsdEbHwhDuJOxcmDlzrGIuJNjJI8DJVpkYMgNIxTnTWJyJP2BrGFG5ChPU+pQ5zTZo08bqWJ9zIQwt4YSeSXuVAmhbEA= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 16480.60505.bm@smtp210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: T0ShCQ8VM1npiE56vl30WCvBvWb4k7BU.hFrGnAjtao_mKj XvDSI4kvNNdbcDw7zcttlZh38vAOIlLY8K7NPAXZl3DaR7TS5EQCWWY_U..V Tods.VStjWVm4wOcvjVlJUWpoEA_A8BUZGqLr_aCSjZFGyJKIf6GlqR24krU o0h5XzKJWbJU0kiwjxw.SQ63rd4XJd2rrGQli.IBImPrq1XAP9ZvRV2Rtu2y .xKk32a5P7jg_blx79iQuPAzo3YPTpbSjwSAmAHa8eLpXZXkzu5mAIRIvVIM G7jHniIHvHzgAl2ntyo_iHOvOrUMaRlGCI5MZc0N.DzasXgvWlbrzGycXZIk TDCAmK8y_RV62sadFWfnJoSNQ7hNebZWog1bcylvUP9ts0WJRWri_Kj_XfF6 nxjw2N.Uy0CZOu_9LYdrArY0OpDmZN1AJH5MnpH3skroX2c8JNB0wiHEDEoA 3zyYIRGApRowMBdFduq6Oqq0PTF3BRhcX0gYZkht6uEAN1plhqMXWGuI.WoN rv7fduNBFpiCK X-Yahoo-SMTP: ZchkVoeswBB3Ar.3OdyTafwDf65gRw-- Received: from [192.168.1.100] (rickfunes@76.90.206.87 with plain) by smtp210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2011 14:38:10 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <4E517AC1.7050008@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 14:38:09 -0700 From: Richard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.20) Gecko/20110804 Thunderbird/3.1.12 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4E51386F.7060607@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] using Vinux X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 21:38:25 -0000 I've installed Vinux more than once. In one of the steps of the installer I believe it asks what keyboard layout you want. Though it is set as UK, it can also be switched to US. Which is what I do. This is for Vinux 3.0 based off of Ubuntu 10.04.3 LTS. That should apply to 3.1and 3.2 as well, I believe. On 8/21/2011 14:33, Jude DaShiell wrote: > The fact anyone is having this problem with vinux makes it a bug. Debian > asks an installer which language country and keyboard and adjusts > accordingly. What's with Vinux?On Sun, 21 Aug 2011, Dave Hunt wrote: > >> I suspect the UK keyboard layout here. On one of my Vinux installs, I >> remember having to do something to the right alt key in the keyboard >> preferences for Gnome. Had to tell prefs applet that some other key >> was '3rd-level', thereby making 'right-alt' available. I haven't had >> to do this in subsequent installs, though. >> >> >> Strange, >> >> >> Dave H. >> >> >> I tweet as wx1gdave >> >> >> >> >> On 8/21/11, hackingKK wrote: >>> I wonder if the right alt or control not working due to uk keyboard layout? >>> Happy hacking. >>> Krishnakant. >>> On 21/08/11 11:36, Glenn wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> I am trying Vinux, since I could not get the Ubuntu 11.04 to work like >>>> 10.10. I am using the latest Vinux for USB, where it unzips onto a USB or >>>> SD card. I found also that the right control + alt functions don't work. >>>> For example, I have to do left control + left alt + T for terminal, and >>>> left >>>> F1 for the menus. Also, I cannot get voxin installed, This is the Voxin >>>> 0.36 and it seems to be missing a package and can't find what it needs on >>>> the Debian site when I run the voxin-installer.sh file. >>>> This is all frustrating, as I would like the latest package of Ubuntu, but >>>> I >>>> would like it to be like it was in 10.10. >>>> I used sighted help with the Ubuntu and did the log-out and classic >>>> display >>>> thing, and it was still not quite right. >>>> I had hopes of using Vinux, but if Voxin won't work, I'll have to ditch >>>> it, >>>> as I cannot deal with the voice of eSpeak. >>>> I hope someone has some ideas, as I feel that Linux is becoming less of an >>>> option for me. >>>> Glenn >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> orca-list mailing list >>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>>> The manual is at >>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>>> Netiquette Guidelines are at >>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>> The manual is at >>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>> Netiquette Guidelines are at >>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >> >> > > Jude > "I love the Pope, I love seeing him in his Pope-Mobile, his three feet > of bullet proof plexi-glass. That's faith in action folks! You know he's > got God on his side." > ~ Bill Hicks > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > From chaltain@gmail.com Sun Aug 21 22:31:22 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ORCA-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: ORCA-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CAA275004D for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 22:31:22 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id F962RtNNYHxC for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 22:31:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gw0-f54.google.com (mail-gw0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED25B750009 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 22:31:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwb15 with SMTP id 15so4326066gwb.27 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 15:31:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=yRPBi+ieoyYlHVUG74xY3wk8NKBj56UshwOX9IbA75k=; b=Gun3b2MgV45g7MrlOPvOML0L3qU2XCpDD4LRfWdDXMAiPQuzqV7Rt5Dkl1xdcR2fWF slr8Xk0BedmnYUDitEOQfsAuhJBPbQVPjwmb61T6eIW2Pm3c9pjhcbbXcoXfqoPTdLzR /MhENRBsWioQNoXzLbxrLWcOvZLVqoTSe0bJU= Received: by 10.91.162.37 with SMTP id p37mr1622456ago.202.1313965868849; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 15:31:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.113] (cpe-173-174-56-115.austin.res.rr.com [173.174.56.115]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l13sm4674412anj.16.2011.08.21.15.31.07 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 21 Aug 2011 15:31:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E51872B.3040108@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 17:31:07 -0500 From: Christopher Chaltain User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110516 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ORCA-list@gnome.org References: <4E51386F.7060607@gmail.com> <4E517AC1.7050008@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <4E517AC1.7050008@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] using Vinux X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 22:31:22 -0000 If you look at the original post, glenn is running the USB version of Vinux, and he's unzipping an image directly on to a USB stick. There's no install involved here, and the default in this USB image is to use the UK keyboard. This isn't a bug in Vinux. On 21/08/11 16:38, Richard wrote: > I've installed Vinux more than once. In one of the steps of the > installer I believe it asks what keyboard layout you want. Though it is > set as UK, it can also be switched to US. Which is what I do. This is > for Vinux 3.0 based off of Ubuntu 10.04.3 LTS. That should apply to > 3.1and 3.2 as well, I believe. > > On 8/21/2011 14:33, Jude DaShiell wrote: >> The fact anyone is having this problem with vinux makes it a bug. Debian >> asks an installer which language country and keyboard and adjusts >> accordingly. What's with Vinux?On Sun, 21 Aug 2011, Dave Hunt wrote: >> >>> I suspect the UK keyboard layout here. On one of my Vinux installs, I >>> remember having to do something to the right alt key in the keyboard >>> preferences for Gnome. Had to tell prefs applet that some other key >>> was '3rd-level', thereby making 'right-alt' available. I haven't had >>> to do this in subsequent installs, though. >>> >>> >>> Strange, >>> >>> >>> Dave H. >>> >>> I tweet as wx1gdave >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 8/21/11, hackingKK wrote: >>>> I wonder if the right alt or control not working due to uk keyboard >>>> layout? >>>> Happy hacking. >>>> Krishnakant. >>>> On 21/08/11 11:36, Glenn wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> I am trying Vinux, since I could not get the Ubuntu 11.04 to work like >>>>> 10.10. I am using the latest Vinux for USB, where it unzips onto a >>>>> USB or >>>>> SD card. I found also that the right control + alt functions don't >>>>> work. >>>>> For example, I have to do left control + left alt + T for terminal, >>>>> and >>>>> left >>>>> F1 for the menus. Also, I cannot get voxin installed, This is the >>>>> Voxin >>>>> 0.36 and it seems to be missing a package and can't find what it >>>>> needs on >>>>> the Debian site when I run the voxin-installer.sh file. >>>>> This is all frustrating, as I would like the latest package of >>>>> Ubuntu, but >>>>> I >>>>> would like it to be like it was in 10.10. >>>>> I used sighted help with the Ubuntu and did the log-out and classic >>>>> display >>>>> thing, and it was still not quite right. >>>>> I had hopes of using Vinux, but if Voxin won't work, I'll have to >>>>> ditch >>>>> it, >>>>> as I cannot deal with the voice of eSpeak. >>>>> I hope someone has some ideas, as I feel that Linux is becoming >>>>> less of an >>>>> option for me. >>>>> Glenn >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>>>> The manual is at >>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>>>> Netiquette Guidelines are at >>>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>>>> >>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> orca-list mailing list >>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>>> The manual is at >>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>>> Netiquette Guidelines are at >>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>>> >>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>> The manual is at >>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>> Netiquette Guidelines are at >>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >>> >>> >> >> Jude >> "I love the Pope, I love seeing him in his Pope-Mobile, his three feet >> of bullet proof plexi-glass. That's faith in action folks! You know he's >> got God on his side." >> ~ Bill Hicks >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at >> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Netiquette Guidelines are at >> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >> > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain@gmail.com From rickfunes@yahoo.com Sun Aug 21 22:45:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6F37750072 for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 22:45:56 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.935 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.935 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.946, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DmMN8IcpqzGI for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 22:45:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm18-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm18-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.178]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9F42775004D for ; Sun, 21 Aug 2011 22:45:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.138.90.56] by nm18.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2011 22:45:43 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.40] by tm9.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2011 22:45:43 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp108.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Aug 2011 22:45:43 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1313966743; bh=8vrGyZSTvBuy2Mu9cPMJ3rZjDA+czY4bOQOKG81Xwhw=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=nWoyopSpOlcvQfhnqTHVVqyB+nfxdA6WVD3rV7FJSDB8wAOJeRQ5gUL8j7cgNEr1ecFiVjsWfKW2iMJsobrx9hqGS9+uM9YDlPPDZ04g51zvmuFsjgM1UuV0FFbxwZkJf6JTDiUKX33mFTaUr1ZVPRJdVrMhkKGkU/0sB5uT1JE= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 557109.37009.bm@smtp108.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 68EcTfcVM1mXDDGzfnrsA.mTdOJFuO92qiGA3Na.xgGscr4 UGkRoTghIV7zLqrcjWCsczWvwfqb7BPSz_bJzesFjsmoSXiLf0igHQIKq7oS Guu5rcNc9FulWUM.H2OoLU1b9XQzd7v4O64qgaTdR3wShp6EUlaGiWbQxmR2 kOR4TKEn2kiMkPemQXt3hW4DFJ1yvOZNeA289ZhR4flt5JxmCJKPr2cOaW_n Kmf0EQbSiQQjfW9USCM1LE0oBVZbnDaC_oJBRvm9yknetfk_YAZS6Izd2Qwt kCcX8du0qDbV.1zlLsoVSRuLWWBzdxi0Y_mXyFm2nABi1FXFiwt0XLXL7KLk CJY2FJQzIYnIKdUilljL33t11VRr4IYUKrbql0J2ga9GI3tPeacEvcESj3Gm _yDIa3C7tbSzUBsPRNC5PgFeZCPPu6sPQ9F1SEPSSpV4ePDaMGLm0WI62Skd KilP4l_q_LF.dO4NyhCavZKzNZRba357ed1sEL21eyJ92rHNM82jIuiaZFJ2 gbD99BUGy_R0Z X-Yahoo-SMTP: ZchkVoeswBB3Ar.3OdyTafwDf65gRw-- Received: from [192.168.1.100] (rickfunes@76.90.206.87 with plain) by smtp108.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 2011 15:45:43 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <4E518A96.2010605@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 15:45:42 -0700 From: Richard User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.20) Gecko/20110804 Thunderbird/3.1.12 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4E51386F.7060607@gmail.com> <4E517AC1.7050008@yahoo.com> <4E51872B.3040108@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4E51872B.3040108@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] using Vinux X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 22:45:57 -0000 O, I think I missed that part of that post when I had read it. My mistake. On 8/21/2011 15:31, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > If you look at the original post, glenn is running the USB version of > Vinux, and he's unzipping an image directly on to a USB stick. There's > no install involved here, and the default in this USB image is to use > the UK keyboard. This isn't a bug in Vinux. > > On 21/08/11 16:38, Richard wrote: >> I've installed Vinux more than once. In one of the steps of the >> installer I believe it asks what keyboard layout you want. Though it is >> set as UK, it can also be switched to US. Which is what I do. This is >> for Vinux 3.0 based off of Ubuntu 10.04.3 LTS. That should apply to >> 3.1and 3.2 as well, I believe. >> >> On 8/21/2011 14:33, Jude DaShiell wrote: >>> The fact anyone is having this problem with vinux makes it a bug. Debian >>> asks an installer which language country and keyboard and adjusts >>> accordingly. What's with Vinux?On Sun, 21 Aug 2011, Dave Hunt wrote: >>> >>>> I suspect the UK keyboard layout here. On one of my Vinux installs, I >>>> remember having to do something to the right alt key in the keyboard >>>> preferences for Gnome. Had to tell prefs applet that some other key >>>> was '3rd-level', thereby making 'right-alt' available. I haven't had >>>> to do this in subsequent installs, though. >>>> >>>> >>>> Strange, >>>> >>>> >>>> Dave H. > >>>> >>>> I tweet as wx1gdave >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 8/21/11, hackingKK wrote: >>>>> I wonder if the right alt or control not working due to uk keyboard >>>>> layout? >>>>> Happy hacking. >>>>> Krishnakant. >>>>> On 21/08/11 11:36, Glenn wrote: >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> I am trying Vinux, since I could not get the Ubuntu 11.04 to work like >>>>>> 10.10. I am using the latest Vinux for USB, where it unzips onto a >>>>>> USB or >>>>>> SD card. I found also that the right control + alt functions don't >>>>>> work. >>>>>> For example, I have to do left control + left alt + T for terminal, >>>>>> and >>>>>> left >>>>>> F1 for the menus. Also, I cannot get voxin installed, This is the >>>>>> Voxin >>>>>> 0.36 and it seems to be missing a package and can't find what it >>>>>> needs on >>>>>> the Debian site when I run the voxin-installer.sh file. >>>>>> This is all frustrating, as I would like the latest package of >>>>>> Ubuntu, but >>>>>> I >>>>>> would like it to be like it was in 10.10. >>>>>> I used sighted help with the Ubuntu and did the log-out and classic >>>>>> display >>>>>> thing, and it was still not quite right. >>>>>> I had hopes of using Vinux, but if Voxin won't work, I'll have to >>>>>> ditch >>>>>> it, >>>>>> as I cannot deal with the voice of eSpeak. >>>>>> I hope someone has some ideas, as I feel that Linux is becoming >>>>>> less of an >>>>>> option for me. >>>>>> Glenn >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>>>>> The manual is at >>>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>>>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>>>>> Netiquette Guidelines are at >>>>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>>>>> >>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>>>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>>>> The manual is at >>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>>>> Netiquette Guidelines are at >>>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>>>> >>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> orca-list mailing list >>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>>> The manual is at >>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>>> Netiquette Guidelines are at >>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >>>> >>>> >>> >>> Jude >>> "I love the Pope, I love seeing him in his Pope-Mobile, his three feet >>> of bullet proof plexi-glass. That's faith in action folks! You know he's >>> got God on his side." >>> ~ Bill Hicks >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>> The manual is at >>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>> Netiquette Guidelines are at >>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at >> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Netiquette Guidelines are at >> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > From jason@jasonjgw.net Tue Aug 23 01:36:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53EEA750101 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 01:36:02 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.179 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.179 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, KHOP_DYNAMIC=0.73, RCVD_IN_BRBL_LASTEXT=1.449] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OABC0vZDmkgp for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 01:36:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from jdc.jasonjgw.net (ppp198-218.static.internode.on.net [59.167.198.218]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 201E27500DC for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 01:35:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by jdc.jasonjgw.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9D58A180638D7; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 11:35:49 +1000 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=jasonjgw.net; s=mail; t=1314063349; bh=5L738Wpatj3SwJDEdIGvOLL3mrmUqoMLKzin4SmKxBk=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:In-Reply-To; b=0RNshCaULrys9AIJXXanbS9FSLKInFdwb7q07H3KBoUW6oyty8W91DZPOpDSibpsg wQWB7yMf1y+KkI8UGFNSBXQb4H+Eh5BIEf3hyEhbm+zAAK/6U7m+IAlT/umhZOIo5a 3N4tTafCu4qa0O+1222hsUArKcIHRL1o2jlePPZM= Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 11:35:49 +1000 From: Jason White To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110823013549.GA10418@jdc.jasonjgw.net> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <4E500239.5080209@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4E500239.5080209@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] is any one working on libre office accessibility actively? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 01:36:02 -0000 hackingKK wrote: > I see that ever since open office was forked into libre office, > there has not been much talk on current development of accessibility > with orca? > is there some document which has any updates? There is a mailing list for LibreOffice accessibility which has been active recently. From sath.linux@gmail.com Tue Aug 23 03:05:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DD3A750101 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 03:05:05 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.76 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.76 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FREEMAIL_REPLY=1.929, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9XmzHZaYxMp1 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 03:05:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87A80750077 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 03:04:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkat8 with SMTP id t8so7905086bka.27 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 20:04:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Ot13K4qbg8j3se82fgvnKPIVJGrcaAot855rKSpdGbk=; b=Bl6qRmEDKbpDg2FZPwgC91P0+qziGIkWqcUOAHwA+KyzHjUO9ydGcqkgxfvIIz2Hiv qJHUq1iX7+kqRCqSOBucLCqLSx7gnjvtf+kiB9JrDTWsCdiUa+FEGiCjCEtPV1K+d2YF spT8YgzBqouLzC543mnoIOsahdfz76NLjpRSM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.13.154 with SMTP id c26mr1246855bka.235.1314068690128; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 20:04:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.26.136 with HTTP; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 20:04:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 23:04:50 -0400 Message-ID: From: sathayn linux To: vinux-support@googlegroups.com, orca-list@gnome.org, keralavision@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151761c9747c517204ab23751b Subject: [orca-list] Easy-ocr-3.0 Released X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 03:05:05 -0000 --00151761c9747c517204ab23751b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 *Dear list,* We are most happy to release easy-ocr-3.0 with advanced options. Now we have included folder option so that any body can use any operating system or any scanning program to create images and then use easy-ocr to convert the image into text we have also addressed the problem in installing and uninstalling and necessary changes are made also now easy-ocr will function in the 64bit system. and lot of new features are added. easy-ocr is made as user friendly as possible and we request your suggestions to make it more friendly please go through the user guide given below *Download from here http://code.google.com/p/easy-ocr/* Special features easy-ocr 3.0. 1. the most important feature of this release is the from folder option. now we can use any scanning programme or any operating system to produce the images and use easy-ocr to convert it in to text. 2. auto rotation is made possible and is strengthened to a higher level for all 24 languages given at the end. 3. programme is made more powerful by avoiding the temp file and now the file in the document will be read aloud. 4. now one can and append to an old file. if one use the already existing file, it will not be replaced but will be appended. 5the problem with uninstalling easy-ocr has been addressed and one can uninstall the programme without harming the o.p.t file. 6. this time we have done away with the second engine in order to facilitate future development. 7. for the sake of portability, we have not assigned any shortcuts. however, assigning shortcuts will make the programme very easy to use. *User guide.* 1. setting the scanner.One can use easy-ocr in two ways. first one is to scan and produce text from the programme itself and second one is to produce the text from the folder containing image. in order to start scanning using the programme, please follow the steps given below. 1. setting the scanner. go to other menu and select settings and enter. then the scanner will be detected and you will have to set the duration between the repeated scanning, resolution, brightness or threshold, language.once you have completed the settings, the values you have entered will be read aloud. 2. now go to easy-ocr(or other) menu and select either scan or scan with full auto rotation. in the scan mode, the programme will ask for the file name. after entering the filename select OK and then you have to select the rotation mode. if you are sure of the angle in witch you have kept the book , select the manual mode and check the degree of rotation. if you are not sure of the angle, please select the automatic mode and scanning will be done in order to determine the rotation needed. then the rotation selected will be kept and you have to start from the first page itself.be careful not to change the angle kept in the beginning. after each scanning, the page number will be announced and after hearing one, you can press add button and start reading along with scanning. if you are totally unaware of the angle in witch the papers are kept, you can select full auto rotation mode. here also after hearing one, you can start reading by pressing add button. the text produced by these two modes will be saved in documents unless you change the directory. if you are in need of continuing the file, you can select the same file and the text will be appended to the old one. *from folder.* now one can convert images saved in the folders in to text by using the folder option.if you are not in a position to use the easy-ocr, you can use any scanning programme to produce the images. this option will support png, jpeg, jpg, tiff, tif, pnm, pdf formats. select the folder option and enter. now you will have to select the folder, format of the image,rotation mode, saving folder.etc. if you are sure of the angle in witch the images are kept you can select manual mode, and if you are not sure of the angle, you can select automatic mode. in the automatic mode,all the images will be converted, as in the angle of the first image. in the full auto rotation mode, we are not to be concerned of the angles. *audio conversion.* there is facility for converting text in to wav files. just enter the audio conversion mode and select the folder containing the text to be converted and give the values in the window shone. stop scan. one can stop all scanning process by entering the stop scan. *Easy-ocr support 24 languages.* These include English, Bulgarian, Croatian, Czech, Danish, Dutch, Estonian, French, German, Hungarian, Italian, Latvian, Lithuanian, Polish, Portuguese, Romanian, Russian, mixed Russian-English, Spanish, Swedish, Serbian, Slovenian, Turkish, and Ukrainian. EASY-OCR is made as user friendly as possible. you can make it more friendly through your suggestions. please contact the following emails. sath.linux@gmail.com and nalin4linux77@gmail.com *Home page http://code.google.com/p/easy-ocr/* *Please send suggestion and problems to nalin4linux77@gmail.com* --00151761c9747c517204ab23751b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear list,

We are most happy to release easy-ocr-3.0 with adv= anced options. Now we have included folder option so that any body can use = any operating system or any scanning program to create images and then use = easy-ocr to convert the image into text we have also addressed the problem = in installing and uninstalling and necessary changes are made also=A0 now e= asy-ocr will function in the 64bit=A0 system. and lot of new features are a= dded. easy-ocr is made as user friendly as possible and we request your sug= gestions to make it more friendly please go through the user guide given be= low

Download from here ht= tp://code.google.com/p/easy-ocr/

Special features easy-ocr 3= .0.
1. the most important feature of this release is the from folder opt= ion. now we can use any scanning programme or any operating system to produ= ce the images and use easy-ocr to convert it in to text.
2. auto rotation is made possible and is strengthened=A0 to a higher level = for all 24 languages given at the end.
3. programme is made more powerfu= l by avoiding the temp file and now the file in the document will be read a= loud.
4. now one can and append to an old file. if one use the already existing f= ile, it will not be replaced but will be appended.
5the problem with uni= nstalling easy-ocr has been addressed and one can uninstall the programme w= ithout harming the o.p.t file.
6. this time we have done away with the second engine in order to facilitat= e future development.
7. for the sake of portability, we have not assign= ed any shortcuts. however, assigning shortcuts will make the programme very= easy to use.



User guide.

1. setting the scanner.One can use ea= sy-ocr in two ways. first one is to scan and produce text from the programm= e itself and second one is to produce the text from the folder containing i= mage.
in order to start scanning using the programme, please follow the steps giv= en below.
1. setting the scanner. go to other menu and select settings a= nd enter. then the scanner will be detected and you will have to set the du= ration between the repeated scanning, resolution, brightness or threshold, = language.once you have completed the settings, the values you have entered = will be read aloud.
2. now go to easy-ocr(or other) menu and select either scan or scan with fu= ll auto rotation.
in the scan mode, the programme will ask for the file = name. after entering the filename select OK and then you have to select the= rotation mode. if you are sure of the angle in witch you have kept the boo= k , select the manual mode and check the degree of rotation.
if you are not sure of the angle, please select the automatic mode and scan= ning will be done in order to determine the rotation needed. then the rotat= ion selected will be kept and you have to start from the first page itself.be careful not to change the angle kept in= the beginning.
after each scanning, the page number will be announced and after hearing on= e, you can press add button and start reading along with scanning.
if yo= u are totally unaware of the angle in witch the papers are kept, you can se= lect full auto rotation mode. here also after hearing one, you can start re= ading by pressing add button.
the text produced by these two modes will be saved in documents unless you = change the directory.
if you are in need of continuing the file, you ca= n select the same file and the text will be appended to the old one.
=A0

from folder.

now one can convert images saved in t= he folders in to text by using the folder option.if you are not in a positi= on to use the easy-ocr, you can use any scanning programme to produce the i= mages.
this option will support png, jpeg, jpg, tiff, tif, pnm, pdf formats. selec= t the folder option and enter. now you will have to select the folder, form= at of the image,rotation mode, saving folder.etc.
if you are sure of the= angle in witch the images are kept you can select manual mode, and if you = are not sure of the angle, you can select automatic mode. in the automatic = mode,all the images will be converted, as in the angle of the first image.<= br> in the full auto rotation mode, we are not to be concerned of the angles.=A0
audio conversion.

there is facility for converting t= ext in to wav files.
just enter the audio conversion mode and select the= folder containing the text to be converted and give the values in the wind= ow shone.
stop scan.
one can stop all scanning process by entering the stop scan.<= br>

Easy-ocr support 24 languages.

These include Engli= sh, Bulgarian, Croatian, Czech, Danish, Dutch, Estonian, French, German, Hu= ngarian, Italian, Latvian, Lithuanian, Polish, Portuguese, Romanian, Russia= n, mixed Russian-English, Spanish, Swedish, Serbian, Slovenian, Turkish, an= d Ukrainian.


EASY-OCR is made as user friendly as possible. you can make it more= friendly through your suggestions. please contact the following emails. sath.linux@gmail.com and nalin4linux77@gmail.com

Home page http://code= .google.com/p/easy-ocr/

Please send suggestion and proble= ms to nalin4linux77@gmail.com
--00151761c9747c517204ab23751b-- From webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl Tue Aug 23 20:49:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6F6475006B for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 20:49:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.506 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.506 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.505, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2d3M5bR3kVY0 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 20:49:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpo09.poczta.onet.pl (smtpo09.poczta.onet.pl [213.180.142.140]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CAB275000A for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 20:49:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [193.200.46.16] (unknown [193.200.46.16]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl) by smtp.poczta.onet.pl (Onet) with ESMTPSA id 4BC4C2015846D for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 22:49:44 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=poczta.onet.pl; s=2011; t=1314132584; bh=n/Crpl1lyDl1/MyAPev6Ro8g8kyrrcAn5RdMalrROv8=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=V3qlcuAli2J3z9gqhl6wA6VIDp/lrTbPFI+VgNTHzLyjpfoYRwlAAD7gDiPB8xad9 eMFbn37z9VFH3zJQTzBoalpHc3RFHotpfgGDo93eOE4DoSVx28296hnjKGDlsb7cs+ 5uAAKh9HWUjBfc+zsUq0OXMbRK3FIGqc9EWqorHQ= Message-ID: <4E541267.50008@poczta.onet.pl> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 22:49:43 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?TWljaGHFgiBaZWdhbg==?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110617 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] java applets X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 20:49:58 -0000 Hey, I have the java atk wrapper installed. There are some bugs but applications work. But what about applets? How to make the flat review go through the applet, and how to navigate to the applet when my focus is outside? From steve.holmes88@gmail.com Wed Aug 24 14:15:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55080750477 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 14:15:18 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PGeVG7q18q8Y for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 14:15:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yi0-f54.google.com (mail-yi0-f54.google.com [209.85.218.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98177751343 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 12:14:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yib19 with SMTP id 19so1178381yib.27 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 05:14:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:user-agent; bh=uYCATrm8HAhKZYru1M+wP61uzhKq1nio0K1YwpXmhrk=; b=kpVtQGW2F8dNZ0JTiEQRm8lEBMvNirdjVc9KYi7Q1/RLKosKwYFbyLoOTOhkkTpajO ZETz59efpe5SVCB0HhXPqAy2GmDyEV8hUEGa8GoR3aqyC+ZleVRODRXgk018AVK5S4lH y+f0O8puffa/M/KXZcy2Yk8af8bUx5b1BNc1k= Received: by 10.91.211.3 with SMTP id n3mr4790609agq.67.1314188087985; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 05:14:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from linlap.wavecable.com (76-14-154-236.rk.wavecable.com [76.14.154.236]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f48sm1518585yhh.70.2011.08.24.05.14.45 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 24 Aug 2011 05:14:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 05:14:18 -0700 From: Steve Holmes To: Orca E-mail List Message-ID: <20110824121418.GA6976@linlap.wavecable.com> Mail-Followup-To: Orca E-mail List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: [orca-list] Renaming Files in GNOME 3 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 14:15:20 -0000 I've been noticing a problem lately where I cannot rename files from Nautilus in gnome 3. At this point, I can't tell for sure if Orca just isn't focusing on a hidden dialog or if the rename function is just plain broken. What happens about 98% of the time is pressing F2 or choosing rename from the application context menu just brings back up the main list or icon view in Nautilus. I only got the rename function to work once last night but none other. Has anyone else had this problem? I'm using Arch Linux, GNOME 3, git version of Orca from about two days ago. From paskal_unic@ymail.com Wed Aug 24 14:17:30 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4856D7504D5 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 14:17:30 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.989 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.989 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l01VUyj-aFdN for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 14:17:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm17-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm17-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.91.212]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D29D5751077 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 11:54:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.91.65] by nm17.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2011 11:54:15 -0000 Received: from [208.71.42.196] by tm5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2011 11:54:15 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp207.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2011 11:54:15 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ymail.com; s=s1024; t=1314186855; bh=yiQ2NFraeVpTLQ74zmltLmi/iGyHtOB1CNQaL1T7NuQ=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=L/Q8fvROgerJYRfZGjoykyUR0cCMuQTMKfaMnq7tEu6NKx3tFTIF3uy8GDzyNSAHHvCzhaj0aGn92d2fKuBE0xRtoY5dRWDZRH7dKz2KRZBLvkIsNpnCIleip8F/TPl3+Da/CcoXf1jt5b4euIkdgdEnkD3lEDj6x+FK+w2LWnc= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 80471.36720.bm@smtp207.mail.gq1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: bCI8FeMVM1lmHpUuTMBB_Gbr_WOgluqVNK23ZowkN7WbtJc hCydWlfNqRoNm_nsqIp5tz7.9Tkj7zw2F7MUN39t._2T0lIpKW_v0U.nn1B0 scsyq.tHdpCPtWTDO9x6BVoVCv2ADjvJMPfS1A2ivPdIMsxrrHhcfnnprEnm .Cf5qare.tthaKpcU10ZoC0_gaN5XzJ8W8ChSm4WMfaL2pMRWJxD43Hr5QMG EaghOfXpLCQ4FmTaGXskehSYK3Ye4ZNLpakzHMisJqW9uDV3_iaCTZX.XDI2 f0CWSyFBTUx.xTySZX8I_RpSeEVYkXyM7pjGJkJeJrUEBc2JakH1ZQinkdwE 3OV.LlZJQgqwG6f1Gznm9IHe1TUXWERb5QX6LNpqVEC7mYTswKk8QL8BzHbO 4Ci3.kXuCSZQJjF1jUqiTgKkag3xa5DH67luDQi45z603vW.OK81qwrHe X-Yahoo-SMTP: 102RXDqswBDIO8M1orzt94PS5TK14OY6.eG4clzTydThOg-- Received: from [10.1.55.17] (paskal_unic@130.225.231.97 with plain) by smtp207.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 2011 04:54:14 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <4E54E665.40607@ymail.com> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:54:13 +0200 From: Paskal User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110617 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20110812051338.GA9257@linlap.wavecable.com> <4E450CFC.5080704@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4E450CFC.5080704@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Import Files in Calc X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 14:17:31 -0000 Open the text file with LibreOffice. The import dialog will come up automatically. Then choose Tab als delimiter and hit ok. That's it. On 12/08/11 13:22, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > I haven't used it myself, but wouldn't Insert -> Sheet from file ... be > what you're looking for? > > On 12/08/11 00:13, Steve Holmes wrote: >> Quick question here; How do you import files into a Calc spreadsheet? >> >> I can't find any Import function any place. What I'm doing is trying >> to import a tab delimitted text file into a simple table. This is a >> pretty much no brainer with MS Excel and I thought OOo Calc or >> Libreoffice calc would have a similar capability but I don't see it. >> >> Any ideas? >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > From paskal_unic@ymail.com Wed Aug 24 14:24:37 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D962075025A for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 14:24:37 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id she5vGjVip7x for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 14:24:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm16-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com (nm16-vm0.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com [98.138.91.49]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6C65B75086C for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 10:05:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.138.90.52] by nm16.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2011 10:05:14 -0000 Received: from [98.138.87.7] by tm5.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2011 10:05:14 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1007.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Aug 2011 10:05:14 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 623443.42837.bm@omp1007.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 28371 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Aug 2011 10:05:14 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ymail.com; s=s1024; t=1314180314; bh=QGmdvaqyrOuhddHiMFQuvDK7A7u/CgHwIEcnS5WCuEE=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Rg03uN/nQhbkHyFlPzUy/YiBZTSDXM58OBjZ5CUL/bOj/4C9hstmSduEvzIOE9+/gVQ9JxSztYdl+6mry3BeJivcI6Fh2ueZ9uviqrSTWJsej8i8AyegIdooc2HZojaajjuCJrSBO0ZVs2kkgJG9BT7XdR9BoZ3BowmSmr4EEXQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=ymail.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=zm5Wnbfw4PrLsNR2aH1iizKimzF+lSwndCxDJDhdunT2QVtfSHjYKQbjXgKS0vCMnTAZxhz7knCm2Gi3GGgOKDDQswFIMqLuQ8oxjJBL5+tpb+XBxtOSxZ59YyBZ99LUdeEkj2kE3CEBlLgaNALDmMQ6LaKvI1apgJ9WIWqttdg=; X-YMail-OSG: P7lyugcVM1mKyX_VcI1iZdMLbDUe3tzvjPNLdbKcuOu5PWs MG4I2Qp9QiyIIyVbJ0IwVnAa1ERb5tq1YsyHWWB5Q57.IJxrSOi3RWf63k2z r84t1MGVzWnR1az10.iyV4995f3wQlkn7qnvxasoimyzY0HwaFW00EESPJ_T qmRLExaC4RUjPt94S0AbpxNQ8jrGPasR3l7C1fP6KH5lOT3hcRVoRP8WOuMZ 55rz4lcJwRsTebFS3cd28y.QfhR1okUG0eUne5QAWnxkIgk0mmcopiY2sHG6 j4sh49_dNy.g.dF24aP6Dn6aoV5w1TBujPaKVOcrRwsF4pmc1oBhd8S.QRUl AszHZXT1RzymfVZl.jPNLeTw_aUj8ab8TNR1z7Hwju7XIjuuImNKjegVdeUo jL4DnxO5Q8S_YxRq_.L6h_JGa.4s892fJ2qyUL4WxFqmkiISZLylOdoVF6Vp .zfwWIiB.w1g- Received: from [130.225.231.97] by web121006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 03:05:14 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.113.315625 References: <4E500239.5080209@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1314180314.23379.YahooMailNeo@web121006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 03:05:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Paskal Uni-c To: hackingKK , The Vinux Support Forum In-Reply-To: <4E500239.5080209@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-808735527-1314180314=:23379" Cc: "ORCA-LIST@gnome.org" Subject: Re: [orca-list] is any one working on libre office accessibility actively? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Paskal Uni-c List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 14:24:38 -0000 --0-808735527-1314180314=:23379 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Krishnakant, hi folks I've been testing LibreOffices accessability for about 2 weeks now as a summer traineeship for an institute for blind people in Denmark. We tested version 3.3.3. Build: 301. Writer is accessible for at least the basic stuff and we did also test spreadsheet. No problems there. We didn't touch presentation. We gave some feedback to the Vinux group and with their help will try to spread the feedback to the right places. If you are working on LibreOffice accessablility I would be very happy to give you my notes! It is my last week here and I want to make shure our work is off use to the community. Cheers Paskal ________________________________ From: hackingKK To: The Vinux Support Forum Cc: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 8:51 PM Subject: [orca-list] is any one working on libre office accessibility actively? Hello all, I see that ever since open office was forked into libre office, there has not been much talk on current development of accessibility with orca? is there some document which has any updates? Is any one working on presentation, there are also some issues with spreadsheet as well. Can some one give some update? Happy hacking. Krishnakant. _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp --0-808735527-1314180314=:23379 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Hi Krishnakant, hi folks

I've been testing LibreOffices accessability for about 2 weeks now as a summer traineeship for an institute for blind people in Denmark. We tested version 3.3.3. Build: 301.
Writer is accessible for at least the basic stuff and we did also test spreadsheet. No problems there. We didn't touch presentation.

We gave some feedback to the Vinux group and with their help will try to spread the feedback to the right places.
If you are working on LibreOffice accessablility I would be very happy to give you my notes! It is my last week here and I want to make shure our work is off use to the community.

Cheers Paskal

From: hackingKK <hackingkk@gmail.com>
To: The Vinux Support Forum <vinux-support@googlegroups.com>
Cc: ORCA-LIST@gnome.org
Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 8:51 PM
Subject: [orca-list] is any one working on libre office accessibility actively?

Hello all,
I see that ever since open office was forked into libre office, there has not been much talk on current development of accessibility with orca?
is there some document which has any updates?
Is any one working on presentation, there are also some issues with spreadsheet as well.
Can some one give some update?
Happy hacking.
Krishnakant.

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--0-808735527-1314180314=:23379-- From david@explorechange.net Thu Aug 25 02:23:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3AC875017E for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 02:23:27 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MmGq1-ABKAcl for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 02:23:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gw0-f68.google.com (mail-gw0-f68.google.com [74.125.83.68]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A9C2750088 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 02:23:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwj19 with SMTP id 19so168754gwj.3 for ; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 19:23:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.193.5 with SMTP id q5mr5515929anf.36.1314238996193; Wed, 24 Aug 2011 19:23:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.206] ([117.241.58.178]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n14sm123816ani.12.2011.08.24.19.23.13 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 24 Aug 2011 19:23:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E55B20E.6070506@explorechange.net> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 07:53:10 +0530 From: David Sexton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110812 Thunderbird/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Remote access to gnome with orca and/or speech dispatcher? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 02:23:28 -0000 Hi, Is there an accessible way to control and receive feedback to offer something like remote assistance? Right now I mostly use ssh to troubleshoot client troubles, but having access to gnome would be better in many situations. Here's how I offer remote assistance over the internet currently using a shell account on an internet server 1. have the client create a reverse ssh tunnel to the internet server: ssh -R 2020:localhost:22 user@internetHost 2. then I log into the internet host box 3. then log into the client machine ssh user@localhost -p 2020 and there I'm in without worrying about IP addresses and port forwarding through routers David From steve.holmes88@gmail.com Thu Aug 25 12:30:36 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92EAE7501C9 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 12:30:36 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.59 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.59 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2c9-1cUIKk3l for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 12:30:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F2817500E3 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 12:30:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywo32 with SMTP id 32so2502641ywo.27 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 05:30:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; bh=Mq04CCfQx3LJwHxlvyLWT0uyR1aM+pONhO3ufr26MlY=; b=C6qq7Lzr3N2JVumPQCIrS/b2TAHGE+wsPS/0niO2gBx2sFk+V+QW+mUlk+qn+ASLfu kM6Kf3awJgBHtarNC8q84UDizQwviX9JS/mDskaqSzCxJozMUpoBk8iJrpwRx/DiEauo 0tvdkPHDCG/TinJ62nGET9cnR1FUNhdRkUMOc= Received: by 10.231.41.147 with SMTP id o19mr12763097ibe.82.1314275423724; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 05:30:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from linlap.wavecable.com (76-14-154-236.rk.wavecable.com [76.14.154.236]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j4sm589789icx.15.2011.08.25.05.30.21 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 25 Aug 2011 05:30:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 05:29:54 -0700 From: Steve Holmes To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110825122954.GA13832@linlap.wavecable.com> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20110812051338.GA9257@linlap.wavecable.com> <4E450CFC.5080704@gmail.com> <4E54E665.40607@ymail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4E54E665.40607@ymail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Import Files in Calc X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 12:30:36 -0000 Thanks; I'l have to try that approach. I did ultimately insert the file into new sheet but this side might be more efficient. Actually, I thought I had tried this and noticed the file being opened into Writer instead. I'll definitely look into this further. On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 01:54:13PM +0200, Paskal wrote: > Open the text file with LibreOffice. The import dialog will come up > automatically. Then choose Tab als delimiter and hit ok. > > That's it. > > On 12/08/11 13:22, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > >I haven't used it myself, but wouldn't Insert -> Sheet from file ... be > >what you're looking for? > > > >On 12/08/11 00:13, Steve Holmes wrote: > >>Quick question here; How do you import files into a Calc spreadsheet? > >> > >>I can't find any Import function any place. What I'm doing is trying > >>to import a tab delimitted text file into a simple table. This is a > >>pretty much no brainer with MS Excel and I thought OOo Calc or > >>Libreoffice calc would have a similar capability but I don't see it. > >> > >>Any ideas? > >>_______________________________________________ > >>orca-list mailing list > >>orca-list@gnome.org > >>http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >>Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > >>The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > >>The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > >>Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > >>Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > >>Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From albert.e.sten_clanton@verizon.net Thu Aug 25 14:11:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B57767502C5 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:11:57 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.403 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.403 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.502, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ryWlLNzF1aIW for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:11:56 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 3619 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at menubar.gnome.org; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:11:55 UTC Received: from vms173019pub.verizon.net (vms173019pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.19]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6D3875029B for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:11:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ownercb76d9f6c ([unknown] [96.233.31.218]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0LQH00EBPJAREQ80@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for orca-list@gnome.org; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 08:11:16 -0500 (CDT) From: "Albert Sten-Clanton" To: "'Steve Holmes'" , References: <20110812051338.GA9257@linlap.wavecable.com> <4E450CFC.5080704@gmail.com> <4E54E665.40607@ymail.com> <20110825122954.GA13832@linlap.wavecable.com> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 09:11:13 -0400 Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: <20110825122954.GA13832@linlap.wavecable.com> Thread-index: AcxjItMuvd5lnQS1RV+SFbgBdX1MYQABNcUg X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 Subject: [orca-list] Arch, Pulseaudio, and Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:11:58 -0000 Greetings! After using Debian and Vinux for a time, I've reinstalled Arch. I've installed gnome and related software, but haven't yet tried to run the GUI. I know I can retrieve the information on using Orca without Pulseaudio getting in the way. If it's workable, though, I'd like to use Pulseaudio instead of kicking it out of the way. Has anybody done this decently with Arch yet? If so, are there any instructions available? Thanks! Al From kyle4jesus@gmail.com Thu Aug 25 14:43:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32399750275 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:43:18 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.689 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.689 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8jUqHd5krNx2 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:43:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2AAF75025B for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:43:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yxn22 with SMTP id 22so2667816yxn.27 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 07:43:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:reply-to:to:subject:date:message-id:x-mailer:mime-version :content-language:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=MEV87ou6jZE4f4djADqsjWlfltEkndAtVuyYGXGzKCo=; b=opq8g+5K7cRigkkghtldcP4Xq1aJZanSjakdMOUTwYmMxG1hxxikDEZEhsVST6ufaP JqZYspRJK1vk1eeGRhs7MFtoymeDcgHWfJqx4zaT8r/c3yPeYB9tnOFz2L9lyOzuK4xu LhYybJ4SLV/gcNNYPF/aWrgcaXMpkM3BCcTSE= Received: by 10.91.121.1 with SMTP id y1mr6528416agm.29.1314283386038; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 07:43:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [26.227.7.235] (mfb2c36d0.tmodns.net [208.54.44.251]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l2sm581132anm.24.2011.08.25.07.43.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 25 Aug 2011 07:43:04 -0700 (PDT) From: "Kyle" To: orca-list@gnome.org Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 10:42:57 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: EPOC Email Version 2.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: i-default Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [orca-list] Arch, Pulseaudio, and Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: Kyle List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:43:18 -0000 GNOME 3.0 requires Pulseaudio, so I don't think there's any longer a way to = run GNOME/Orca without it. As for making it work, I have it working here, = and I don't recall having to do anything special to set it up, although = some people have suggested removing /etc/asound.conf. ~Kyle Sent from my Wishdroid! :) From Sebastien.Hinderer@ens-lyon.org Thu Aug 25 19:54:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC6637503F7 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 19:54:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W+Z3FsU96pmu for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 19:54:15 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 477 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at menubar.gnome.org; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 19:54:14 UTC Received: from toccata.ens-lyon.org (toccata.ens-lyon.fr [140.77.166.68]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCDB9750374 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 19:54:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by toccata.ens-lyon.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 958F9840AB for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 21:46:06 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at toccata.ens-lyon.org Received: from toccata.ens-lyon.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (toccata.ens-lyon.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xFY4e0eIxFlO for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 21:46:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pema.homeunix.org (138.38.170.95.dynamic.sat.abo.nordnet.fr [95.170.38.138]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by toccata.ens-lyon.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B6B0D840A6 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 21:46:04 +0200 (CEST) Received: from seb by pema.homeunix.org with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Qwfs9-0003CA-E4 for orca-list@gnome.org; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 21:45:53 +0200 Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 21:45:53 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=E9bastien?= Hinderer To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110825194553.GA12258@pema> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [orca-list] Accessibility of Java applications X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 19:54:16 -0000 Dear all, I'd like to use an app written in Java. At the moment, once I have run it, if I Alt-tab to its window, I can read its name followed by "inaccessible" which is the french for "not accessible". I have installed libaccess-bridge-java-jni and libaccess-bridge-java packages. Is there something else I'm suposed to install ? How to figure out by examining the source code of the application whether it is supposed to be accessible or not ? Also: I noticed that gnome's terminal has become "inaccessible", too ! This is quite surprising because that was working some time ago. So if anybody has a hint on this I'd really appreciate to hear about it. Thanks much, Sébastien. From joanmarie.diggs@gmail.com Thu Aug 25 20:28:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 227C07501D5 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 20:28:43 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KUtCYtdmxkRh for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 20:28:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08DEC7501AE for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 20:28:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vxh11 with SMTP id 11so3641583vxh.27 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 13:28:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:subject:from:to:cc:date:content-type:x-mailer :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:mime-version; bh=M9HjutXo1n2og8G2BzpTcgjhJ2sncXooOl3w/8Uq8AE=; b=yD3MQVH+4C8VwnT4/D/k2VYdbUmHQ5CLJIeHGFyyZG2NjrfWo5D7op42wQlrONh9Nb FXgwY/RN/lDKsBQ4FlEnCDXvWBTUH2iwBi4peZ9GfGve2TTUSPYCxhfmkZbAwv9a9SKd dOg3DKxVJ0aJMu3kVNOz5X/r64Itng4CD7UPM= Received: by 10.52.109.165 with SMTP id ht5mr208731vdb.524.1314304111063; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 13:28:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.35.108] (c-98-217-239-60.hsd1.nh.comcast.net [98.217.239.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id df8sm631184vdc.13.2011.08.25.13.28.29 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 25 Aug 2011 13:28:30 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Joanmarie Diggs From: Joanmarie Diggs To: orca-list@gnome.org Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 16:28:29 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.0.2 (3.0.2-3.fc15) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1314304110.11988.7.camel@blockhead.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: Alejandro Leiva Subject: [orca-list] Firefox performance patch which needs testing X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 20:28:43 -0000 Hey all. While I've been busily working on GNOME's introspection port, Victor Ramirez has created a patch which should hopefully address the significant delay you see in Orca when it is attempting to put together a line of content. https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=599361 The patch looks simple enough, but it would be great to have some testing to be sure there are no unexpected side effects. Right now, I need to continue focusing on the introspection port or else Orca won't work at all in GNOME 3.2. So if you guys could give Victor's patch some heavy testing and let me know the results, we can see about getting this in Monday's releases. Thanks in advance guys! And thank you Victor for hunting this down!! --joanie From vilmar@informal.com.br Thu Aug 25 21:32:51 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08E55750286 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 21:32:51 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KZWip-JF6ZKK for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 21:32:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay01-alog.email.alog.com.br (relay01-alog.email.alog.com.br [200.219.210.130]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B7167501E4 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 21:32:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay01-alog.email.alog.com.br (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay01-alog.email.alog.com.br (Relay01-alog) with ESMTP id EB61B200A0A4 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 18:29:51 -0300 (BRT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] (unknown [187.15.168.79]) (Authenticated sender: vilmar@informal.com.br) by relay01-alog.email.alog.com.br (Relay01-alog) with ESMTPA id 83AC3200A09D for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 18:29:51 -0300 (BRT) Message-ID: <4E56BF74.9070904@informal.com.br> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 18:32:36 -0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Vilmar_Est=E1cio_de_Souza?= Organization: Informal Informatica User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110812 Thunderbird/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <1314304110.11988.7.camel@blockhead.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <1314304110.11988.7.camel@blockhead.localdomain> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.2.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AV: Alog Antivirus OK Subject: Re: [orca-list] Firefox performance patch which needs testing X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: vilmar@informal.com.br List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 21:32:51 -0000 Hi. Seems that the patch fix the delay. However I am experiencing some delay when I type some text and press the tab key. After press the tab key part of the chars typed are spoken before orca announce the next field. On 08/25/2011 05:28 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > Hey all. > > While I've been busily working on GNOME's introspection port, Victor > Ramirez has created a patch which should hopefully address the > significant delay you see in Orca when it is attempting to put together > a line of content. https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=599361 > > The patch looks simple enough, but it would be great to have some > testing to be sure there are no unexpected side effects. Right now, I > need to continue focusing on the introspection port or else Orca won't > work at all in GNOME 3.2. So if you guys could give Victor's patch some > heavy testing and let me know the results, we can see about getting this > in Monday's releases. > > Thanks in advance guys! And thank you Victor for hunting this down!! > --joanie > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > From webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl Thu Aug 25 21:43:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6279C7500D7 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 21:43:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.503 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.503 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.502, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p0ozPj4qig+R for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 21:43:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpo09.poczta.onet.pl (smtpo09.poczta.onet.pl [213.180.142.140]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E9C8750167 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 21:43:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [193.200.46.16] (unknown [193.200.46.16]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl) by smtp.poczta.onet.pl (Onet) with ESMTPSA id E7A4C200B7069 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 23:43:01 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=poczta.onet.pl; s=2011; t=1314308582; bh=dwulnGGt7lk2V/S1xqLdWKvCiTC69KuCi5r0j+TdroU=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Lgb2rDdngkzjKwRQzo36HtLvxxn+M9o6BVADdg2K8meaTinq1r8GUAZCCGENCD07G 8P/ei344RR6d/r9o31duSU7uWGAh68Gdqjn7y9C0oCkwR+r4erkZylo6wsOKoRMsbY Bcy01ls7Y4pojIEUysTQvrr4P2/8pIuY5F4qWNBM= Message-ID: <4E56C1E5.3060005@poczta.onet.pl> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 23:43:01 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?TWljaGHFgiBaZWdhbg==?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110617 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20110825194553.GA12258@pema> In-Reply-To: <20110825194553.GA12258@pema> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessibility of Java applications X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 21:43:16 -0000 The java access bridge is deprecated. You will unfortunately need to download java-atk-wrapper and manually compile it, but when you'll done it, it'll work pretty good. Even if you'll have problems, you'll be able to use and navigate through java apps. W dniu 25.08.2011 21:45, Sébastien Hinderer pisze: > Dear all, > > I'd like to use an app written in Java. At the moment, once I have run > it, if I Alt-tab to its window, I can read its name followed by > "inaccessible" which is the french for "not accessible". > I have installed libaccess-bridge-java-jni and libaccess-bridge-java > packages. Is there something else I'm suposed to install ? > How to figure out by examining the source code of the application > whether it is supposed to be accessible or not ? > > Also: I noticed that gnome's terminal has become "inaccessible", too ! > This is quite surprising because that was working some time ago. > So if anybody has a hint on this I'd really appreciate to hear about it. > > Thanks much, > Sébastien. > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > From vramirez@emergya.com Thu Aug 25 21:54:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DE377501E4 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 21:54:38 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SB1yHN69Ba88 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 21:54:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gw0-f54.google.com (mail-gw0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF7267500D7 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 21:54:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwb15 with SMTP id 15so3205556gwb.27 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:54:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.61.4 with SMTP id j4mr1485699yba.217.1314309264037; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:54:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.145.2 with HTTP; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:54:23 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4E56BF74.9070904@informal.com.br> References: <1314304110.11988.7.camel@blockhead.localdomain> <4E56BF74.9070904@informal.com.br> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 23:54:23 +0200 Message-ID: From: Victor Ramirez To: vilmar@informal.com.br Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd4a75cced68604ab5b78d5 Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Firefox performance patch which needs testing X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 21:54:38 -0000 --000e0cd4a75cced68604ab5b78d5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2011/8/25 Jos=E9 Vilmar Est=E1cio de Souza > Hi. > > Seems that the patch fix the delay. However I am experiencing some delay > when I type some text and press the tab key. > After press the tab key part of the chars typed are spoken before orca > announce the next field. > > > Hi, I seen this problem, but if you don't use the patch, when you type some text and press tab key, the problem is the same. > > > On 08/25/2011 05:28 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > > Hey all. > > > > While I've been busily working on GNOME's introspection port, Victor > > Ramirez has created a patch which should hopefully address the > > significant delay you see in Orca when it is attempting to put together > > a line of content. https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D599361 > > > > The patch looks simple enough, but it would be great to have some > > testing to be sure there are no unexpected side effects. Right now, I > > need to continue focusing on the introspection port or else Orca won't > > work at all in GNOME 3.2. So if you guys could give Victor's patch some > > heavy testing and let me know the results, we can see about getting thi= s > > in Monday's releases. > > > > Thanks in advance guys! And thank you Victor for hunting this down!! > > --joanie > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > orca-list mailing list > > orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > > Netiquette Guidelines are at > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > --000e0cd4a75cced68604ab5b78d5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

2011/8/25 Jos=E9 Vilmar Est=E1cio de Sou= za <vilmar@i= nformal.com.br>
Hi.

Seems that the patch fix the delay. However I am experiencing some delay when I type some text and press the tab key.
After press the tab key part of the chars typed are spoken before orca
announce the next field.



Hi,

I seen this problem, but = if you don't use the patch,
when you type some text and press tab k= ey, the problem is the same.

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On 08/25/2011 05:28 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> Hey all.
>
> While I've been busily working on GNOME's introspection port, = Victor
> Ramirez has created a patch which should hopefully address the
> significant delay you see in Orca when it is attempting to put togethe= r
> a line of content. https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id= =3D599361
>
> The patch looks simple enough, but it would be great to have some
> testing to be sure there are no unexpected side effects. Right now, I<= br> > need to continue focusing on the introspection port or else Orca won&#= 39;t
> work at all in GNOME 3.2. So if you guys could give Victor's patch= some
> heavy testing and let me know the results, we can see about getting th= is
> in Monday's releases.
>
> Thanks in advance guys! And thank you Victor for hunting this down!! > --joanie
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> orca-list mailing list
> orca-list@gnome.org
> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> Visit http://= live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/user= s/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestio= ns
> Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.g= nome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines
> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>
_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list@gnome.org
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.= gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gno= me-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.= org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

--000e0cd4a75cced68604ab5b78d5-- From guyster104@att.net Fri Aug 26 00:05:47 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFDF7750275 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 00:05:47 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Mzu88Qr6tZXH for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 00:05:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm28.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (nm28.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.94.237.93]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3620A750096 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 00:05:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [66.94.237.201] by nm28.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2011 00:05:34 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.115] by tm12.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2011 00:05:34 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1020.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2011 00:05:34 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 306580.62378.bm@omp1020.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 21545 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2011 00:05:34 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1314317134; bh=8ZKhkqZNH1GFnOB6vb+XtOMNlBx2i0szSqkj+2BLJZ4=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=5WpKxmDfMdrAK0GFVsQXrPgFrpm5Q4d/parYswzMj4wtag7YiSgSSOkLhAl5ccr4XATgS7OdjvbNSZitwA9FDt7wmG/SyUhbZn4N7d0NvQ8Hj8mjJKn60zcOK8jMu51h3jEs/R6S6bYBsHh/nj660d6bqZVWhM+56WQNtOmXayE= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: ZFSbq1gVM1nU1LVoa2pR3_U81yC8PHWRx5yYvVuh.ZSu_T5 aCSUnl2.ntWKHfBiN1SoK9vjFelyOG9XPGEEe5edM1PPQGaQch5DmgAieZIB idRGThM9x_Gncgp2c2vaLZTfcgrqia9A27a4jLOr53ruURD7lHbbHYkxqR3u y70nF4S6AW._tOjTKOLFLm5R1Phh5r9VxXCL.1G7hRUaXrV10uk8EGCo4nOu kIm7SCgteZu6jVKfaXLODxlI656LF4qV0DZcxZCykvvLBCRvOYg0zJgE0tTQ kWAkN96wE2mzmZuoPIqG1GD4Vo4DmP_uTdcPIMWKRqiP8JiJDjeI4qM9EnOP fWAfvNU7mG.ozdfa5BxMOSgEKm3rmIwVqYLQwWGDszaOM0Wk8K8l8AveeWz8 pPHB4i4WkiotByukwrLPMIDpjx8V_MgaktZXohBz90qdSag1FdrA- X-Yahoo-SMTP: tZeW1wWswBBWD7GBMvzI5Q0mBhWAmnxdydQa7OxIGQ-- Received: from [192.168.1.5] (guyster104@72.241.162.115 with plain) by smtp110.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2011 17:05:34 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <4E56E34C.3050708@att.net> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 20:05:32 -0400 From: Guy Schlosser User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.20) Gecko/20110804 Thunderbird/3.1.12 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joanmarie Diggs References: <1314304110.11988.7.camel@blockhead.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <1314304110.11988.7.camel@blockhead.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Alejandro Leiva , orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Firefox performance patch which needs testing X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 00:05:47 -0000 Just out of curiosity, is the intraspection port you're working on any part of the reason why orca isn't reading anything to me in Oneiric? I'm interested to hear feedback from other users about success or lack there of, in order to find out whether I have something funky going on possibly on my side. Thankfully the laptop I have it on is a spare, specificly for testing. Thanks in advance for any ideas. Guy On 8/25/2011 4:28 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > Hey all. > > While I've been busily working on GNOME's introspection port, Victor > Ramirez has created a patch which should hopefully address the > significant delay you see in Orca when it is attempting to put together > a line of content. https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=599361 > > The patch looks simple enough, but it would be great to have some > testing to be sure there are no unexpected side effects. Right now, I > need to continue focusing on the introspection port or else Orca won't > work at all in GNOME 3.2. So if you guys could give Victor's patch some > heavy testing and let me know the results, we can see about getting this > in Monday's releases. > > Thanks in advance guys! And thank you Victor for hunting this down!! > --joanie > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > From joanmarie.diggs@gmail.com Fri Aug 26 01:20:32 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D7AF7502E3 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 01:20:32 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.446 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.446 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077, TW_YG=0.077] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VkQDVCYz-m5k for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 01:20:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C53D37502BF for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 01:20:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws18 with SMTP id 18so4500775vws.27 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 18:20:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:subject:from:to:cc:date:in-reply-to:references:content-type :x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:mime-version; bh=qQpL1kyB3rV8MUwTnR1ss6LXJKZ1L/kExR6K5qZtfYc=; b=crL76ZMsiCopAPubS6T0YPuRGJtc5l7GsGWgOyh8iGK2jTAX/AhUIgUvhSakE7p6+4 xre5BIaT0nxzDSrzr1sY73vht+4y28hJfD+NQrBxDJuhv5u1ADnQgVx0eZRCuXEwvoYw +lPVacgqB9ck86KNiVZc5S5GsC2l4O9+tc4jw= Received: by 10.52.94.207 with SMTP id de15mr499783vdb.293.1314321620830; Thu, 25 Aug 2011 18:20:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.35.108] (c-98-217-239-60.hsd1.nh.comcast.net [98.217.239.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m6sm804148vdw.3.2011.08.25.18.20.18 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 25 Aug 2011 18:20:19 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Joanmarie Diggs From: Joanmarie Diggs To: Guy Schlosser Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 21:20:18 -0400 In-Reply-To: <4E56E34C.3050708@att.net> References: <1314304110.11988.7.camel@blockhead.localdomain> <4E56E34C.3050708@att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.0.2 (3.0.2-3.fc15) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1314321619.11988.37.camel@blockhead.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: Alejandro Leiva , orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Firefox performance patch which needs testing X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 01:20:32 -0000 Hi Guy. > Just out of curiosity, is the intraspection port you're working on any > part of the reason why orca isn't reading anything to me in Oneiric? My guess would be: No. The work to convert Orca away from pygtk over to pygi (gi being gobject-introspection) hasn't been committed to master yet. I'm still working on it. Take care. --joanie From hammera@pickup.hu Fri Aug 26 04:32:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71799750403 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 04:32:28 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.402 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.402 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.502] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZkwU+gFVtfnI for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 04:32:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EA7275029B for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 04:32:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (unknown [89.251.46.211]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id E5485E81CA for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 06:17:50 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4E5721CE.1050208@pickup.hu> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 06:32:14 +0200 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110617 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <1314304110.11988.7.camel@blockhead.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <1314304110.11988.7.camel@blockhead.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Firefox performance patch which needs testing X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 04:32:28 -0000 Hy, I see gig performance increasing for example with Bugzilla login page, when I write my username, press TAB key and write my password. I see one issue for braille related: When I type a character with edit field, the braille display two second later presenting the new character. When I press BACKSPACE key, two second later spokening Orca with the deleted character, and two second later removing the braille display the deleted character. Only this page producing this issue, for example in www.google.com have only one second delay when braille display follow up the character changes. Anybody confirming this issues? Need the verification test, because my working system is little old installation. Attila From vramirez@emergya.com Fri Aug 26 09:20:52 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E67627504E8 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 09:20:51 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.933 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.933 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SARE_HTML_USL_OBFU=1.666] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Vp1C2e2dt2iP for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 09:20:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gw0-f54.google.com (mail-gw0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A67547501D4 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 09:20:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwb15 with SMTP id 15so3942426gwb.27 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 02:20:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.169.1 with SMTP id r1mr1454922ybe.103.1314350439826; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 02:20:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.145.2 with HTTP; Fri, 26 Aug 2011 02:20:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4E5721CE.1050208@pickup.hu> References: <1314304110.11988.7.camel@blockhead.localdomain> <4E5721CE.1050208@pickup.hu> Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 11:20:39 +0200 Message-ID: From: Victor Ramirez To: Hammer Attila Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd4c15013875104ab650f89 Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Firefox performance patch which needs testing X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 09:20:52 -0000 --000e0cd4c15013875104ab650f89 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 2011/8/26 Hammer Attila > Hy, > > I see gig performance increasing for example with Bugzilla login page, when > I write my username, press TAB key and write my password. > I see one issue for braille related: > When I type a character with edit field, the braille display two second > later presenting the new character. > When I press BACKSPACE key, two second later spokening Orca with the > deleted character, and two second later removing the braille display the > deleted character. > Only this page producing this issue, for example in www.google.com have > only one second delay when braille display follow up the character changes. > Anybody confirming this issues? > Need the verification test, because my working system is little old > installation. > > Attila > > Hi, When I type characters within edit field, the braille monitor gets the same delay with or without patch. I've checked this in orca version 3.1.90pre and 3.0.0. This patch fix another similar problem, you can check it in https://bugzilla.gnome.org too. Follow the next step: 1. Write some text in the edit field. 2. Remove the text in the edit field. 3. Press tab or shift+tab. 4. The speech of the selected object (link or button) is delayed about 4 seconds. > ______________________________**_________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/**listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/**users/gnome-access-guide/** > nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/**FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/** > FrequentlyAskedQuestions/**NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/**HowCanIHelp > --000e0cd4c15013875104ab650f89 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

2011/8/26 Hammer Attila <hammera@pickup.hu>=
Hy,

I see gig performance increasing for example with Bugzilla login page, when= I write my username, press TAB key and write my password.
I see one issue for braille related:
When I type a character with edit field, the braille display two second lat= er presenting the new character.
When I press BACKSPACE key, two second later spokening Orca with the delete= d character, and two second later removing the braille display the deleted = character.
Only this page producing this issue, for example in www.google.com have only one second delay = when braille display follow up the character changes.
Anybody confirming this issues?
Need the verification test, because my working system is little old install= ation.

Attila


Hi,

W= hen I type characters within edit field, the braille monitor gets the same = delay with or without patch.=A0

I've checked t= his in orca version 3.1.90pre and 3.0.0.=A0

This patch fix another similar problem, you can check i= t in https://bugzilla.gnome.org = too.=A0

Follow the next step:=A0
1. Writ= e some text in the edit field.
2. Remove the text in the edit field.=A0
3. Press tab or shi= ft+tab.
4.=A0The speech of the selected object (link or button) i= s delayed about 4 seconds.
=A0=A0
=A0

--000e0cd4c15013875104ab650f89-- From Sebastien.Hinderer@ens-lyon.org Sun Aug 28 08:30:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB9BD750113 for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 08:30:29 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yJVdK8Y6J3mB for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 08:30:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from toccata.ens-lyon.org (toccata.ens-lyon.fr [140.77.166.68]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF1127500C9 for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 08:30:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by toccata.ens-lyon.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F29B840D3 for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 10:30:17 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at toccata.ens-lyon.org Received: from toccata.ens-lyon.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (toccata.ens-lyon.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19k1Ky-rElyL for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 10:30:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pema.homeunix.org (AStrasbourg-156-1-119-156.w90-6.abo.wanadoo.fr [90.6.22.156]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by toccata.ens-lyon.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E2B3B840BF for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 10:30:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from seb by pema.homeunix.org with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Qxakx-0006D6-Uv for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 10:30:15 +0200 Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 10:30:15 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=E9bastien?= Hinderer To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110828083015.GA23833@pema> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20110825194553.GA12258@pema> <4E56C1E5.3060005@poczta.onet.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <4E56C1E5.3060005@poczta.onet.pl> Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessibility of Java applications X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 08:30:29 -0000 Hello Michał, Thans so much for your helpful response ! I downloaded java-atk-wrapper from GIT and tried to install it but I am having difficulties with its dependencies. ./autogen.sh says: No package 'gdk-2.0' found No package 'gconf-2.0' found I was not able to find the corresponding Debian packages, so I don't know whether thismeans these packages do not exist or not. If they exist, do I have to give autogen.sh options so that they can be located ? Thanks much for any help, Sébastien. From webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl Sun Aug 28 10:43:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 752C77500C9 for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 10:43:33 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.351 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.351 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.504, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077, TW_KG=0.077] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nlmAAj-50f9h for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 10:43:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpo05.poczta.onet.pl (smtpo05.poczta.onet.pl [213.180.142.136]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15D3875007D for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 10:43:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [193.200.46.16] (unknown [193.200.46.16]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl) by smtp.poczta.onet.pl (Onet) with ESMTPSA id 5995E200B616A for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 12:43:19 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=poczta.onet.pl; s=2011; t=1314528199; bh=H158MjUTNMr6nh32UjOwagiT9B0r62ACLGHuXDXbGi0=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=cKQyPM0EJ+JOEsbVDgmBqUZFmCtSXMZw2MGIEfb/ChFij7/7jU6t8dwQmQVgEz6VB 2rcfeugy1DlO+Te9UjJ1gLQg8Osi1Gz3fqAkXjPAxQXnKkhX3Bah97rw8VI4b/wP+w seyEd309Y5b47vic7KTKbRDqchtSIBfMZhVihH14= Message-ID: <4E5A1BC6.5050006@poczta.onet.pl> Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 12:43:18 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?TWljaGHFgiBaZWdhbg==?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.20) Gecko/20110805 Thunderbird/3.1.12 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20110825194553.GA12258@pema> <4E56C1E5.3060005@poczta.onet.pl> <20110828083015.GA23833@pema> In-Reply-To: <20110828083015.GA23833@pema> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessibility of Java applications X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 10:43:33 -0000 Search for those, you need to, for example, install the gtk development files, not sure how they are actually named. I am very sure that they are in the package manager, but under different names. Autogen.sh does not complain about the inexistant debian packages, but about the inexistant pkgconfig files and those are different. W dniu 28.08.2011 10:30, Sébastien Hinderer pisze: > Hello Michał, > > Thans so much for your helpful response ! > > I downloaded java-atk-wrapper from GIT and tried to install it but I am > having difficulties with its dependencies. > ./autogen.sh says: > No package 'gdk-2.0' found > No package 'gconf-2.0' found > I was not able to find the corresponding Debian packages, so I don't > know whether thismeans these packages do not exist or not. If they > exist, do I have to give autogen.sh options so that they can be located > ? > > Thanks much for any help, > Sébastien. > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From Sebastien.Hinderer@ens-lyon.org Sun Aug 28 13:43:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE7E07500C9 for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 13:43:33 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.823 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.823 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, TW_GT=0.077] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j-98GQXlGIX2 for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 13:43:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from toccata.ens-lyon.org (toccata.ens-lyon.fr [140.77.166.68]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA80875007D for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 13:43:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by toccata.ens-lyon.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23A15840D2 for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 15:43:19 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at toccata.ens-lyon.org Received: from toccata.ens-lyon.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (toccata.ens-lyon.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Wmz7NFL6EZS5 for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 15:43:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pema.homeunix.org (AStrasbourg-156-1-119-156.w90-6.abo.wanadoo.fr [90.6.22.156]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by toccata.ens-lyon.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id ABB94840D1 for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 15:43:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from seb by pema.homeunix.org with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Qxfdt-000650-Tq for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 15:43:17 +0200 Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 15:43:17 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=E9bastien?= Hinderer To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110828134317.GA23025@pema> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20110825194553.GA12258@pema> <4E56C1E5.3060005@poczta.onet.pl> <20110828083015.GA23833@pema> <4E5A1BC6.5050006@poczta.onet.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <4E5A1BC6.5050006@poczta.onet.pl> Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessibility of Java applications X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 13:43:33 -0000 Michał Zegan (2011/08/28 12:43 +0200): > Search for those, you need to, for example, install the gtk > development files, not sure how they are actually named. Ah the -dev files ! I constantly forget about them, thanks ! For reference, the packages, I had to install are: libgtk2.0-dev and libgconf2-dev Thanks so much for the useful hint ! Best wishes, Sébastien. From Sebastien.Hinderer@ens-lyon.org Sun Aug 28 14:11:01 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 796BC7500C9 for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 14:11:01 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.404 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.404 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.504] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5KY21ibyWiR6 for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 14:10:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from toccata.ens-lyon.org (toccata.ens-lyon.org [140.77.166.68]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 705AA75007D for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 14:10:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by toccata.ens-lyon.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12AFA840D3 for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 16:10:48 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at toccata.ens-lyon.org Received: from toccata.ens-lyon.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (toccata.ens-lyon.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YsutJx0i9Zoo for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 16:10:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pema.homeunix.org (AStrasbourg-156-1-119-156.w90-6.abo.wanadoo.fr [90.6.22.156]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by toccata.ens-lyon.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C9C34840D1 for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 16:10:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from seb by pema.homeunix.org with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Qxg4V-00073k-0F for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 16:10:47 +0200 Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 16:10:46 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=E9bastien?= Hinderer To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110828141046.GA27108@pema> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20110825194553.GA12258@pema> <4E56C1E5.3060005@poczta.onet.pl> <20110828083015.GA23833@pema> <4E5A1BC6.5050006@poczta.onet.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <4E5A1BC6.5050006@poczta.onet.pl> Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessibility of Java applications X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 14:11:01 -0000 Hello again Micha◈ and all, so after having installed java-atk-wrapper and fixed my LD_LIBRARY_PATH, when I try to run a java application I get the following error: (:25726): Bonobo-WARNING **: Bonobo must be initialized before use And then it seems the window of the tool opens, but it is as unaccessible as before. Were you saying I need to recompile the application, too ? Is there something else I may try ? Thanks, Sébastien From webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl Sun Aug 28 18:00:36 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D6DF7500FF for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 18:00:36 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.505 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.505 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.504, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VCfe38u4xPSi for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 18:00:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtpo09.poczta.onet.pl (smtpo09.poczta.onet.pl [213.180.142.140]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC5A7750068 for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 18:00:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [193.200.46.16] (unknown [193.200.46.16]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: webczat_200@poczta.onet.pl) by smtp.poczta.onet.pl (Onet) with ESMTPSA id 634AC200AF6A9 for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 20:00:22 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=poczta.onet.pl; s=2011; t=1314554422; bh=r8wWWUR0r+g0bxDsf6hnT8htjBFz7Q1dTCcsUn81VU8=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=RF5yWKPxPY0XnFOdpuJ9Xff7jtJR8VlGe0VKW0QFdpQukWYTnriJkhglT19GvIaay w4IEZrpeFTl/4to+s2BOKD3SNUcnmTgq8KVAVROJo0aLLXawgaH3xvhCG+nC39TvkI udjBUwY+pS3bS+X3hqfLhOeI0gtrnKxeGvN0WMp4= Message-ID: <4E5A8234.8000606@poczta.onet.pl> Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 20:00:20 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?TWljaGHFgiBaZWdhbg==?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.20) Gecko/20110805 Thunderbird/3.1.12 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20110825194553.GA12258@pema> <4E56C1E5.3060005@poczta.onet.pl> <20110828083015.GA23833@pema> <4E5A1BC6.5050006@poczta.onet.pl> <20110828141046.GA27108@pema> In-Reply-To: <20110828141046.GA27108@pema> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessibility of Java applications X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 18:00:36 -0000 Actually, if you've compiled and installed it, check if your java installation has the file java-atk-wrapper.jar in the jre/lib/ext directory, and accessibility.properties in the jre/lib. W dniu 28.08.2011 16:10, Sébastien Hinderer pisze: > Hello again Micha◈ and all, > > so after having installed java-atk-wrapper and fixed my LD_LIBRARY_PATH, > when I try to run a java application I get the following error: > > (:25726): Bonobo-WARNING **: Bonobo must be initialized before > use > > And then it seems the window of the tool opens, but it is as > unaccessible as before. > Were you saying I need to recompile the application, too ? > Is there something else I may try ? > > Thanks, > Sébastien > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From Sebastien.Hinderer@ens-lyon.org Sun Aug 28 18:25:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83DD8750068 for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 18:25:02 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ojTEEEu3dGNy for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 18:25:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from toccata.ens-lyon.org (toccata.ens-lyon.fr [140.77.166.68]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EF98750107 for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 18:24:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by toccata.ens-lyon.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A74F8408F for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 20:24:49 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at toccata.ens-lyon.org Received: from toccata.ens-lyon.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (toccata.ens-lyon.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WYxGULw8Xl3O for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 20:24:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pema.homeunix.org (AStrasbourg-156-1-119-156.w90-6.abo.wanadoo.fr [90.6.22.156]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by toccata.ens-lyon.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0990884063 for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 20:24:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from seb by pema.homeunix.org with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Qxk2K-0000L7-5L for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 20:24:48 +0200 Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 20:24:48 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sh=E9rab?= To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110828182448.GA1202@pema> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20110825194553.GA12258@pema> <4E56C1E5.3060005@poczta.onet.pl> <20110828083015.GA23833@pema> <4E5A1BC6.5050006@poczta.onet.pl> <20110828141046.GA27108@pema> <4E5A8234.8000606@poczta.onet.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <4E5A8234.8000606@poczta.onet.pl> Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessibility of Java applications X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 18:25:02 -0000 Hello Michał, thanks so much for your prompt response. > Actually, if you've compiled and installed it, check if your java > installation has the file java-atk-wrapper.jar in the jre/lib/ext > directory, Yes, there is a /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.26/jre/lib/ext/java-atk-wrapper.jar file that belongs root.root and is readable by all. > and accessibility.properties in the jre/lib. Yes, that one is there, too. In addition to comments, it contains this line: assistive_technologies=org.GNOME.Accessibility.AtkWrapper and has same owner, group and permissions than the jar file. Sébastien. From mj@mjw.se Sun Aug 28 21:16:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7936C750080 for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 21:16:23 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.783 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.783 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.982] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0wsNjA0kqwCC for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 21:16:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mjw.se (host-88-80-29-25.cust.prq.se [88.80.29.25]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD3B675000B for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 21:16:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 5377 invoked by uid 89); 28 Aug 2011 21:16:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mj) (mj@mjw.se@192.168.122.1) by mail.mjw.se with ESMTPA; 28 Aug 2011 21:16:36 -0000 From: "mattias" To: Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 23:16:07 +0200 Message-ID: <001401cc65c7$b412ccd0$157aa8c0@mj> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01CC65D8.779B9CD0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3664 Importance: Normal Cc: brltty@mielke.cc Subject: [orca-list] archlinux X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 21:16:23 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01CC65D8.779B9CD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i plan to maybe migrate from debian to arch but i can't find brlapi and python-brlapi ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01CC65D8.779B9CD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Meddelande
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------=_NextPart_000_0015_01CC65D8.779B9CD0-- From kyle4jesus@gmail.com Mon Aug 29 03:12:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55F5C7501C1 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 03:12:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2OHKgs2Lgk3t for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 03:12:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0BCC7500C6 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 03:12:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywo32 with SMTP id 32so6420516ywo.27 for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 20:12:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=WpOllAXfd1NiIRzxIOQwi5iDFc0hjPJfdbQcsCY6huI=; b=JCuT8qiXxgiM7vt+WIoVd/HjDWjNlgHX3PMtPz+2Ad2zlYeos34NJmoR4FO+HdmEta HJwFjUDcTa5RfQJNG1QITPN4222VXkLLk9Mlef9baugMVnldQlTttVS0aLCkYlb1FveY nLZUKphEWfZ4SraIcPLeppO0JnpeB47B0vTz0= Received: by 10.91.50.16 with SMTP id c16mr3315436agk.76.1314587566522; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 20:12:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.3] ([71.23.64.127]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z4sm2742193ana.3.2011.08.28.20.12.44 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 28 Aug 2011 20:12:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E5B042C.4040902@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 23:14:52 -0400 From: Kyle User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:6.0) Gecko/20110816 Thunderbird/6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <001401cc65c7$b412ccd0$157aa8c0@mj> In-Reply-To: <001401cc65c7$b412ccd0$157aa8c0@mj> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] archlinux X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 03:12:58 -0000 If I'm reading my system files correctly, brlapi is part of the brltty package, so once you get brltty installed, everything should work correctly. Someone jump in if I have missed something. ~Kyle From hackingkk@gmail.com Mon Aug 29 06:29:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B17CF750144 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 06:29:57 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aymj4eEcVsa4 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 06:29:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pz0-f41.google.com (mail-pz0-f41.google.com [209.85.210.41]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA26B7500E5 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 06:29:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk4 with SMTP id 4so8550453pzk.0 for ; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 23:29:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=I5yKMNOeTXL8XK1P3ran0XH5m6ukMx/aBowucbBjUGg=; b=P3ZwqAKjUvlM32xurEu3KdoLyIhXqoFzeODguIJVhxDT2LI8NKMQsLPKOhR04zosQq hHxy+oyoQw/TpEIYJuqrPCfNc19mQwsOTGWaYqM1hcZ0Msa8B9fvnM2u6BRcuovz3FoB FgrJHV4TAIYIRGw97MpeahzuzYi0ZHh+xw3II= Received: by 10.142.222.5 with SMTP id u5mr2312649wfg.126.1314599385032; Sun, 28 Aug 2011 23:29:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (triband-mum-59.183.58.172.mtnl.net.in [59.183.58.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id w18sm2557461wfg.21.2011.08.28.23.29.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 28 Aug 2011 23:29:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E5B31D4.1030302@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 11:59:40 +0530 From: hackingKK User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110424 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20110825194553.GA12258@pema> <4E56C1E5.3060005@poczta.onet.pl> <20110828083015.GA23833@pema> <4E5A1BC6.5050006@poczta.onet.pl> <20110828141046.GA27108@pema> <4E5A8234.8000606@poczta.onet.pl> <20110828182448.GA1202@pema> In-Reply-To: <20110828182448.GA1202@pema> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessibility of Java applications X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 06:29:57 -0000 The classpath is very important. If you are using openjdk then it is some thing like /usr/lib/java/java-6-openjdk/jre/ext I might be slightly off the track but I am sure its there and not /usr/share/java where lot of jar files are found. This is a confusing pitfall. happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 28/08/11 23:54, Shérab wrote: > Hello Michał, thanks so much for your prompt response. > >> Actually, if you've compiled and installed it, check if your java >> installation has the file java-atk-wrapper.jar in the jre/lib/ext >> directory, > Yes, there is a > /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.26/jre/lib/ext/java-atk-wrapper.jar > file that belongs root.root and is readable by all. > >> and accessibility.properties in the jre/lib. > Yes, that one is there, too. > In addition to comments, it contains this line: > assistive_technologies=org.GNOME.Accessibility.AtkWrapper > and has same owner, group and permissions than the jar file. > > Sébastien. > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From joanmarie.diggs@gmail.com Mon Aug 29 22:41:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D8417500E1 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 22:41:14 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FR4X7x6ftsJs for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 22:41:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E2EA750092 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 22:41:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vxh11 with SMTP id 11so8236165vxh.27 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 15:41:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:subject:from:to:date:content-type:x-mailer :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:mime-version; bh=vrnxBiFklVrZQhvMuTEekQBPb5U2c3kzxALdSyXUprQ=; b=FizWULItZ270k/SYnD5hj4OA/AwWlIqtbANTaIrP8NwT1uB+JquvY2O5C2f4HDxBbE mUaRxPXAVLC57sF/rW1ZLnzJclXPa7zDnmOgB1qAL/jFuvzI0E+ddpE3+20WZSYShvfz SvxxIMvJUGSma5aTBQ1gJYFWFp9Fu0AMbRmg8= Received: by 10.52.23.176 with SMTP id n16mr864626vdf.268.1314657662523; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 15:41:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.35.106] (c-98-217-239-60.hsd1.nh.comcast.net [98.217.239.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cg6sm3302673vdc.41.2011.08.29.15.41.00 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 29 Aug 2011 15:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Joanmarie Diggs From: Joanmarie Diggs To: "orca-list@gnome.org" Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 18:40:59 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.0.2 (3.0.2-3.fc15) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1314657660.8619.4.camel@blockhead.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [orca-list] Flag Day Announcement coming soon X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 22:41:14 -0000 Hey guys. So the short version of the story is that master has just gone all kinds of unstable -- plus has new dependencies -- due to the introspection work, Gtk+ deprecations, etc. There are a number of known Orca bugs which have resulted and which I'm still working on. There are also bugs you'll see in Orca which are actually Gtk+ or pygobject or who knows what else. I promise to write up all of this for you later tonight or tomorrow after some more work and the release. In the meantime, stay away from master -- at least until you know what you are getting into. Sorry and thanks guys! The good news is that with lots of testing and debugging and bug reporting, we should have a great Orca release for GNOME 3.2! Take care. --joanie From steve.holmes88@gmail.com Tue Aug 30 02:59:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FFCA750092 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 02:59:29 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.59 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.59 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j9mL4ynA1-Rm for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 02:59:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gw0-f54.google.com (mail-gw0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA5A4750088 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 02:59:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gwb15 with SMTP id 15so7717490gwb.27 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 19:59:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=hh54yISjdpdG6rp/JSleTd8r7hqZSfMcd4IUHnoJY90=; b=n+8gC0VN+Q9pP8Xye4BXVVzUqs/3WhEa9obAP+oJCzyTGIxyWe0Q5F5umiO/TxykyO Lf4wjvUm5qIB6ldRnq2+hjU+t+4Cl4TufGf57MZ3FFu06UH17+KK7HJDxAe0ujSbiERe jWpxUupGxzErfWJZzikqfJMiesIXe0bmrsDA8= Received: by 10.42.75.8 with SMTP id y8mr2956077icj.67.1314673156771; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 19:59:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from linlap.wavecable.com (76-14-154-236.rk.wavecable.com [76.14.154.236]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p4sm6140801icj.5.2011.08.29.19.59.14 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 29 Aug 2011 19:59:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 19:58:41 -0700 From: Steve Holmes To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110830025841.GA5763@linlap.wavecable.com> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20110825194553.GA12258@pema> <4E56C1E5.3060005@poczta.onet.pl> <20110828083015.GA23833@pema> <4E5A1BC6.5050006@poczta.onet.pl> <20110828141046.GA27108@pema> <4E5A8234.8000606@poczta.onet.pl> <20110828182448.GA1202@pema> <4E5B31D4.1030302@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <4E5B31D4.1030302@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessibility of Java applications X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 02:59:29 -0000 After reading this thread, it sounds like to me, that java ATK wrapper is requiring the old gnome setup (2.0 stuff and bonovo). I thought with gnome 3 that bonovo was depricated; oh and gconf too. So, does java ATK wrapper need some updating to be good with gnome 3? On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 11:59:40AM +0530, hackingKK wrote: > The classpath is very important. > If you are using openjdk then it is some thing like > /usr/lib/java/java-6-openjdk/jre/ext > I might be slightly off the track but I am sure its there and not > /usr/share/java where lot of jar files are found. > This is a confusing pitfall. > happy hacking. > Krishnakant. > > On 28/08/11 23:54, Shérab wrote: > >Hello Michał, thanks so much for your prompt response. > > > >>Actually, if you've compiled and installed it, check if your java > >>installation has the file java-atk-wrapper.jar in the jre/lib/ext > >>directory, > >Yes, there is a > >/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.26/jre/lib/ext/java-atk-wrapper.jar > >file that belongs root.root and is readable by all. > > > >>and accessibility.properties in the jre/lib. > >Yes, that one is there, too. > >In addition to comments, it contains this line: > >assistive_technologies=org.GNOME.Accessibility.AtkWrapper > >and has same owner, group and permissions than the jar file. > > > >Sébastien. > >_______________________________________________ > >orca-list mailing list > >orca-list@gnome.org > >http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > >The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > >The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > >Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > >Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > >Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From joanmarie.diggs@gmail.com Tue Aug 30 03:11:39 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA338750092; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 03:11:39 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.523 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.523 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_XU=0.077] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Uf8na-BuRzCs; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 03:11:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AD7B750088; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 03:11:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vxh11 with SMTP id 11so8451878vxh.27 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 20:11:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:subject:from:to:cc:date:content-type:x-mailer :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:mime-version; bh=mwAcscbw2I5cNddYr50jNoeuEZtSt+zbt4tGq4mniug=; b=lZCR6S6dsAs1heon7zrReACPITTs8MV/4usTCDrahdK39X/uUTjeO5CrnWMpOSJi+J J9TIU5EVuN1jue108QQjQXQAy9t4nA5UkqlTrWN8m69+QbEn337KCdghLzuW90xHqoQ7 062qPn00eR5J2GLvsTbMl7GV65KSuJ+jegV2M= Received: by 10.52.96.65 with SMTP id dq1mr885053vdb.52.1314673884930; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 20:11:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.35.106] (c-98-217-239-60.hsd1.nh.comcast.net [98.217.239.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cg6sm3434835vdc.29.2011.08.29.20.11.23 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 29 Aug 2011 20:11:24 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Joanmarie Diggs From: Joanmarie Diggs To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 23:11:22 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.0.2 (3.0.2-3.fc15) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <1314673883.32745.3.camel@blockhead.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: [orca-list] Announcing Orca v3.1.90 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 03:11:40 -0000 =============== * What is Orca? =============== Orca is a free, open source, flexible, and extensible screen reader that provides access to the graphical desktop via user-customizable combinations of speech, braille, and/or magnification. You can read more about Orca at http://live.gnome.org/Orca. =================================== * What's Changed? =================================== General * Fix for bug 626254 - Migrate from PyGTK to PyGObject introspection- based bindings * Fix for bug 652485 - Remove deprecated (or soon-to-be deprecated) GtkBox, GtkTable, etc. and use GtkGrid instead. * Fix for bug 657646 - Default stopSpeechOnActiveDescendantChanged() should not be so restrictive * Fix for bug 657579 - Orca should not present tooltips shown as a result of mouse hovering unless the 'present tooltips' setting is enabled Gecko * Fix for bug 599361 - Significant delay building up the contents of certain lines in Firefox * Fix for bug 650904 - Work around AT-SPI2 caching issues with Thunderbird New and updated translations (THANKS EVERYONE!!!): ca Catalan Gil Forcada de German Mario Blättermann es Spanish Gonzalo Sanhueza, Jorge González id Indonesian Andika Triwidada nb Norwegian bokmål Kjartan Maraas sr Serbian Miroslav Nikolić ug Uyghur Abduxukur Abdurixit, Sahran ====================== * Where can I get it ? ====================== Orca 3.1.90: * http://download.gnome.org/sources/orca/3.1/orca-3.1.90.tar.xz * http://download.gnome.org/sources/orca/3.1/orca-3.1.90.tar.bz2 Enjoy! The Orca Team From steve.holmes88@gmail.com Tue Aug 30 03:31:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 825EF7501CF for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 03:31:06 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.59 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.59 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id F5nPoFRh4jpQ for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 03:31:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AA9A750088 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 03:30:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iadx2 with SMTP id x2so1847909iad.27 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 20:30:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; bh=gPfOYRXQk16qeYMkdKFJCSUERmfgTZCzcEGUDL9M/GY=; b=kvJs6pT5t70Dhulj5KPevEflvqykYurhnFR9/lwo6URw+f5+cssqVtWEHo52MrPR0z rH27SgC4tsSW5hyESZflEhJJ9t1d94elJ5UKA7TxGmFbjZOO26YXNp8yQV5oR2kM+Heg YHeM7otB36t4x3J1PpZgQuEWUQWE5ESyU0oBM= Received: by 10.231.4.3 with SMTP id 3mr12184497ibp.72.1314675053005; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 20:30:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from linlap.wavecable.com (76-14-154-236.rk.wavecable.com [76.14.154.236]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a9sm2934502ibi.9.2011.08.29.20.30.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 29 Aug 2011 20:30:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 20:30:18 -0700 From: Steve Holmes To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20110830033018.GB5763@linlap.wavecable.com> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <1314657660.8619.4.camel@blockhead.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1314657660.8619.4.camel@blockhead.localdomain> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Flag Day Announcement coming soon X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 03:31:07 -0000 Hey Joanie, When we get closer to a more stable master, could you provide a current list of known dependencies? I ask this on behalf of us package maintainers . Thanks for your continued hard work on this stuf. On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 06:40:59PM -0400, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > Hey guys. > > So the short version of the story is that master has just gone all kinds > of unstable -- plus has new dependencies -- due to the introspection > work, Gtk+ deprecations, etc. There are a number of known Orca bugs > which have resulted and which I'm still working on. There are also bugs > you'll see in Orca which are actually Gtk+ or pygobject or who knows > what else. I promise to write up all of this for you later tonight or > tomorrow after some more work and the release. In the meantime, stay > away from master -- at least until you know what you are getting into. > > > Sorry and thanks guys! The good news is that with lots of testing and > debugging and bug reporting, we should have a great Orca release for > GNOME 3.2! > > Take care. > --joanie > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From hackingkk@gmail.com Tue Aug 30 09:29:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15D3C75017E for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 09:29:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.69 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.69 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IehAdA1N-Zez for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 09:29:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pz0-f41.google.com (mail-pz0-f41.google.com [209.85.210.41]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58FCE7500CC for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 09:29:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk4 with SMTP id 4so10826971pzk.0 for ; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 02:29:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ni5Jfmp0yZrBpfDcrvxY1yiydiN8WIGDZDrHq+BIoGI=; b=PGcLzuOBKPW14h5HQk8hUKBRIWmL2wUwI2FHqnrm5C0K9GEYxkgzNGpMtWPMi+iOYV e7lWoGoFM9Z2hxIgHPn7czmDW74eePfWTztvJDmEmg7BJVgMwQZ8fc8GrIaY/+cnWT2r HdVs/cplyBofc29fnH8t4WMQ9nbvX19syzfDs= Received: by 10.142.204.6 with SMTP id b6mr2964273wfg.1.1314696575511; Tue, 30 Aug 2011 02:29:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [42.104.238.86] ([42.104.238.86]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z12sm2603500wfn.11.2011.08.30.02.29.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 30 Aug 2011 02:29:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4E5CAD77.8000501@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 14:59:27 +0530 From: hackingKK User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110424 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20110825194553.GA12258@pema> <4E56C1E5.3060005@poczta.onet.pl> <20110828083015.GA23833@pema> <4E5A1BC6.5050006@poczta.onet.pl> <20110828141046.GA27108@pema> <4E5A8234.8000606@poczta.onet.pl> <20110828182448.GA1202@pema> <4E5B31D4.1030302@gmail.com> <20110830025841.GA5763@linlap.wavecable.com> In-Reply-To: <20110830025841.GA5763@linlap.wavecable.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessibility of Java applications X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 09:29:48 -0000 Indeed, I guessed some thing was wrong, But I get bonobo based errors when I try to run swing based apps. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 30/08/11 08:28, Steve Holmes wrote: > After reading this thread, it sounds like to me, that java ATK wrapper > is requiring the old gnome setup (2.0 stuff and bonovo). I thought > with gnome 3 that bonovo was depricated; oh and gconf too. So, does > java ATK wrapper need some updating to be good with gnome 3? > > On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 11:59:40AM +0530, hackingKK wrote: >> The classpath is very important. >> If you are using openjdk then it is some thing like >> /usr/lib/java/java-6-openjdk/jre/ext >> I might be slightly off the track but I am sure its there and not >> /usr/share/java where lot of jar files are found. >> This is a confusing pitfall. >> happy hacking. >> Krishnakant. >> >> On 28/08/11 23:54, Shérab wrote: >>> Hello Michał, thanks so much for your prompt response. >>> >>>> Actually, if you've compiled and installed it, check if your java >>>> installation has the file java-atk-wrapper.jar in the jre/lib/ext >>>> directory, >>> Yes, there is a >>> /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.26/jre/lib/ext/java-atk-wrapper.jar >>> file that belongs root.root and is readable by all. >>> >>>> and accessibility.properties in the jre/lib. >>> Yes, that one is there, too. >>> In addition to comments, it contains this line: >>> assistive_technologies=org.GNOME.Accessibility.AtkWrapper >>> and has same owner, group and permissions than the jar file. >>> >>> Sébastien. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> orca-list mailing list >>> orca-list@gnome.org >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>> The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>> Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Netiquette Guidelines are at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions/NetiquetteGuidelines > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From joanmarie.diggs@gmail.com Wed Aug 31 09:24:30 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24F7F7502A1 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2011 09:24:30 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qXBLCcc4cbGS for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2011 09:24:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qy0-f175.google.com (mail-qy0-f175.google.com [209.85.216.175]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED88D750295 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2011 09:24:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qyk4 with SMTP id 4so3401751qyk.6 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2011 02:24:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:subject:from:to:date:content-type:x-mailer :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:mime-version; bh=jvsuedlvxGIkL3HI/RHOgik6ioIhYveBQZmrbnY1OAY=; b=tfMewDA661/PQAeGrk9xpBMYRjIxizM7OsK0D1/yu/3/Sjgg+iwA1WcQFUVpCk12C5 kq+w30bNjpU25LuCi2NU7Nm8Akiz0btnsSmJ49D0jG4J1P1hTL+5DH4VeGzE+KMqnIPD Y4tBQugLpGwBJqQW7BPmhDjiCns0QWCIcdUig= Received: by 10.224.97.130 with SMTP id l2mr114178qan.301.1314782656717; Wed, 31 Aug 2011 02:24:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.35.106] (c-98-217-239-60.hsd1.nh.comcast.net. [98.217.239.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fq5sm1329127qab.7.2011.08.31.02.24.15 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 31 Aug 2011 02:24:15 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Joanmarie Diggs From: Joanmarie Diggs To: orca-list@gnome.org Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 05:24:14 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.0.2 (3.0.2-3.fc15) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1314782655.2073.36.camel@blockhead.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [orca-list] A bit more about the 3.1.90 release: General Issues and Direction X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 09:24:30 -0000 Hey all. Regarding the 3.1.90 release, there have been a number of questions both public and private, along with a number of things I would like to tell you. Rather than send one uber-mail, I'm going to break these up so that different people can read the message(s) which apply to their needs. * The Gtk+ deprecation work (i.e. using GtkGrid instead of GtkTable, GtkHBox, GtkVBox, and GtkBox is all about making Orca's GUI components (e.g. Orca's Preferences dialog) compliant with GNOME's expectations. It has nothing whatsoever to do with how Orca presents those objects when it encounters them (i.e. Orca will still work as expected with "old" Gtk+ apps. * The reason we went from a .5 version to a .90 version is because that is what GNOME did and does. Often there's a .6 before the .90, but this time the release team chose not to do that. And no, I do not know why GNOME doesn't have a .7 or a .8 but does have a .91 and .92. But that is neither here nor there: The Orca team does its best to follow GNOME rules and conventions, whatever those rules and conventions happen to be. * Information on when any given version of the officially-shipping Orca (i.e.*not* the orca-xdesktop branch) will be released can be found on the GNOME schedule for that release. The current schedule is located at https://live.gnome.org/ThreePointOne#Schedule. * Regarding releases for the orca-xdesktop branch: The reason I did not do the parallel orca-xdesktop release the other day was in part due to sheer exhaustion resulting from having to pull multiple "all-nighters" to get the introspection and GUI work "good enough to merge" in time for the 3.1.90 official release. If I had failed to get the introspection work done in time, Orca would no longer function in GNOME due to changes made in pygobject. Because the orca-xdesktop version is not official GNOME, I can release it whenever I feel like and do not have any obligation to adhere to the aforementioned schedule. As a result, my plans are to continue to commit features and fixes which apply to that version. If you pull that branch you'll find that fixes which are not specific to GNOME 3 are still going in. I'll probably do another release of that branch with the .91 release of the official branch. * As for the future of the orca-xdesktop branch and the gui-changes and so forth: Once I get fully caught up on the bugs and other issues in the official branch (i.e. the introspection fallout), I need to bring the xdesktop version back into sync with the official version. For instance, the official version now has a 'voices' page to make the 'speech' page of the preferences dialog less insanely full of options. However, the orca xdesktop version cannot depend on Gtk+ 3, use GtkGrid, etc., etc. So my choices seem to be: Re-do the GUI again, but using Gtk+ 2 or resume work on making Orca compatible with all toolkits (i.e. Gtk+ 2, Gtk+ 3, Qt, and ). Doing the latter is what I'm leaning towards. From a technical point of view, I had started that work in collaboration with Ale so we're already on our way to having it completed. From a practical point of view, I need to get us back to having one stable branch and on unstable branch. Having multiple branches is way too much work for everyone: For me of course. But also for the translators and anyone wanting to contribute fixes and features. Plus, I would really (really, really, really) like to see Orca become the screen reader of KDE and XFCE and any other graphical desktop environment for *nix. And that, of course, means toolkit independence must be implemented. So... I think that's everything I needed to say on the "general direction" front. I still need to write up a list of notes for distros and a list of bugs. That should be coming before too long, so stay tuned! Thanks guys! Take care. --joanie From joanmarie.diggs@gmail.com Wed Aug 31 10:37:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 709307502A1 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2011 10:37:38 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2-EANO8ITs9S for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2011 10:37:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BB9E750295 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2011 10:37:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vxh11 with SMTP id 11so563154vxh.27 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2011 03:37:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:subject:from:to:date:content-type:x-mailer :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:mime-version; bh=0O5iAYPrV/4MwtFF7OyZAP4Xs8FkO4CIbSSk1qaa0EA=; b=i3pDJ7exsoIFExJI1wcuTUhzidFKWmEnVwpcfMkyFnTOEtvIfC16WdGlI5FO/SBSGN ZWCv9SX1awFPinOpuZYfvTXl/gUIIQpKD9Fq8XTFLCcqjWuMfgdWpKEoezO8zEhPf/Ba LNkRIzJSN7wEpVzLkz8ZsUlUsAdIecv+Xlzds= Received: by 10.220.87.20 with SMTP id u20mr60821vcl.35.1314787042928; Wed, 31 Aug 2011 03:37:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.35.106] (c-98-217-239-60.hsd1.nh.comcast.net [98.217.239.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r11sm3047350vcv.33.2011.08.31.03.37.21 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 31 Aug 2011 03:37:22 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Joanmarie Diggs From: Joanmarie Diggs To: orca-list@gnome.org Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 06:37:21 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.0.2 (3.0.2-3.fc15) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1314787042.2073.74.camel@blockhead.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [orca-list] A bit more about the 3.1.90 release: Dependencies for Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 10:37:38 -0000 Hey all. Here is part 2 of the series of 3.1.90 notes. In response to Steve's question: > When we get closer to a more stable master, could you provide a > current list of known dependencies? I ask this on behalf of us package > maintainers . While we're not yet "closer to a more stable master," I wanted to answer this now. Up until recently, it was fairly simple to keep Orca largely independent of hard, version-specific dependencies. For instance, Orca from master should have worked with either AT-SPI1 or AT-SPI2. And as long as you had a version of python and a version of Gtk+ 2 from the past few years, Orca should have been fine. Of course, having the latest stable versions is better due to features and bug fixes, but Orca would still largely do the right thing either way. Those days are, for the moment, over. As I've stated elsewhere, recent changes outside of Orca turned Orca's introspection conversion from "something we really should finish and commit" to "something we must finish and commit or else Orca will no longer function as soon as GNOME 3.1.90 is released." Converting to introspection has, as a side effect, an associated need to use Gtk+ 3. Furthermore, the act of implementing the introspection work resulted in the discovery of bugs outside of Orca whose fixes are not just "nice to have," but "needed so that using Orca doesn't crash or hang." In order to ensure that we have the environment we think we have in order to maximize the likelihood of things working as expected, I have started adding dependencies as build requirements in configure.ac. At the moment these new dependencies are: * at-spi2 version 2.1.90 or later * Gtk+ 3 version 3.1.14 or later * pygobject version 2.90.3 or later (see note at the end) My plan is to keep bumping those minimum versions until they become stable (defined here from the practical, "works as expected" standpoint and not simply "part of the stable GNOME release."). Once they do become stable, I shall only bump as needed. In other words, I fully expect to one day be back to the situation we were in namely: As long as you are within a year or two of the current releases, Orca from master should work. But that day is not today, and it's likely not going to be tomorrow either. In addition, as you likely have already concluded, should I discover there is another dependency out there that Orca must have in order to function, it will get added to configure.ac. So Steve, that's the long answer to your question. The short answer, as you no doubt have figured out by now is: Try to build Orca and see. But I will try to get into the habit of including the minimum versions in the release notes when those versions change. Sorry for failing to do that the other day! Lastly, it was brought to my attention by the release team this morning that the pygobject maintainer did not do a 2.90.3 release yet. I'm afraid pygobject 2.90.3 is required due to fixes which are necessary in order for Orca to work. As a result, the release team and I are going to follow up with that module maintainer to request he roll a tarball. In the meantime, pygobject from master claims to be 2.90.3 and is what I have been using. Thanks guys! Take care. --joanie From joanmarie.diggs@gmail.com Wed Aug 31 11:43:37 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C2BD750374 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2011 11:43:37 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yb3WGXQar72A for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2011 11:43:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3C6A750367 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2011 11:43:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vxh11 with SMTP id 11so624062vxh.27 for ; Wed, 31 Aug 2011 04:43:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:subject:from:to:date:in-reply-to:references:content-type :x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:mime-version; bh=zIq9rb5im5FqqRBIWj8ZNEHixNLBlhlnxTgzhhEwn2E=; b=d1nJ3m6aw+4Qog7fOcUGAJtNP7XrfqXfHBQL54ssnDTF+kPkejSXaAfRJSp6riOE/j 9r3IbQ9dk67fC3QS1oI/vDtRRCauVBafxANyBtyotaCgpmm3qWkP3KE7rdvgA5r6PMFJ AoFp0KV5dq6ldED2sAWTCN4L2xeW0QPM1PThE= Received: by 10.52.24.225 with SMTP id x1mr228625vdf.522.1314791004741; Wed, 31 Aug 2011 04:43:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.35.106] (c-98-217-239-60.hsd1.nh.comcast.net [98.217.239.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id em6sm4244439vdb.46.2011.08.31.04.43.23 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 31 Aug 2011 04:43:23 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Joanmarie Diggs From: Joanmarie Diggs To: orca-list@gnome.org Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 07:43:22 -0400 In-Reply-To: <1314787042.2073.74.camel@blockhead.localdomain> References: <1314787042.2073.74.camel@blockhead.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.0.2 (3.0.2-3.fc15) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1314791003.2073.79.camel@blockhead.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [orca-list] A bit more about the 3.1.90 release: Dependencies for Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 11:43:37 -0000 BTW, one additional note for distros and package maintainers: If your distro is shipping pygobject 2.90.2 or later (and possibly 2.90.1 or later), there's an excellent chance that Orca without introspection will likely and regularly hang the desktop. Again, as best as I can tell, this is an all-or-nothing situation.... --joanie