From renger@carolina.rr.com Sat Apr 1 15:51:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAEB03B10F6 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 15:51:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29161-02 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 15:51:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from ms-smtp-02-eri0.southeast.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-lbl.southeast.rr.com [24.25.9.101]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79D423B2287 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 15:50:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from darkness.carolina.rr.com (cpe-071-068-068-168.carolina.res.rr.com [71.68.68.168]) by ms-smtp-02-eri0.southeast.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k31Koj2n003116 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2006 15:50:46 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060401102019.01d6b520@carolina.rr.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 15:50:37 -0500 To: Orca screen reader developers From: Ricky Enger Subject: Re: Orca and the volume control in FC5? In-Reply-To: <001601c654e1$beb16770$6901a8c0@thinkpad> References: <001601c654e1$beb16770$6901a8c0@thinkpad> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-58124421; boundary="=======AVGMAIL-442EE79E398E=======" X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.745 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.854, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.745 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2006 20:51:08 -0000 --=======AVGMAIL-442EE79E398E======= Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-58124421 Hi all,
I'm running FC5 and have also experienced this bizarre behavior with the volume control applet.  Luckily, Orca tracks Alsamixer in a terminal quite well, so that's a workable solution for the moment.  Still, I too would be curious to know whether this is an Orca tracking issue or something specific to the applet itself.  I'm wondering if anyone has encountered this in other distros, or if it's something unique to FC5?

Regards,

Ricky
   

At 11:39 AM 3/31/2006, you wrote:

Just wondering how many others have experienced issues with the volume control applet in FC5?  I can tab to the  appropriate sliders, but up and down arrowing on those sliders yields strange results.  It's almost as if pressing the up and down arrows is causing the focus to shift off of the sliders.  I'm not sure whether this is indeed the case, or whether Orca is just not tracking them properly.
 
If anyone can shed more light on what is going on, that would be great.
 
Thanks,
 
--al
 
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Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 3/31/2006 --=======AVGMAIL-442EE79E398E=======-- From buchal@ferda.buchal.name Sun Apr 2 12:31:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEEBB3B060F for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 12:31:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28155-02 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 12:31:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ferda.buchal.name (pha-84-242-65-75.karneval.cz [84.242.65.75]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0FCA63B05F4 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 12:31:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 24063 invoked by uid 1000); 2 Apr 2006 18:31:04 +0200 To: Orca screen reader developers Subject: Re: orca-setup, AttributeError From: Jan Buchal Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 18:27:14 +0200 In-Reply-To: <740982FA-7950-49FC-A7FE-90222CE624AD@sun.com> (Willie Walker's message of "Thu, 30 Mar 2006 11:07:21 -0500") Message-ID: <878xqoeye5.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> References: <87wtect8vw.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> <6A471F7A-1AD0-4812-A843-FF7253C07704@sun.com> <87psk481m4.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> <421DBF6A-9DBC-4394-9B08-2B5303C925E6@sun.com> <877j6c53rg.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> <740982FA-7950-49FC-A7FE-90222CE624AD@sun.com> Lines: 29 User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.447 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.447 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 16:31:10 -0000 >>>>> "WW" == Willie Walker writes: WW> Aha! Thanks. I've noticed some very bad things with the WW> gnome-speech interaction with the festival server on some Linux WW> distributions. It looks like the pipe/socket between the two WW> ends up going a little haywire, causing a bunch of notification WW> to be done for nothing. The result is usually that the CPU WW> throttles to 98% and you need to kill the festival server. WW> But...this may or may not be the thing you were running into. WW> While this problem is indeed important (any bug is usually at WW> the top of least one person's list), I unfortunately have to WW> prioritize things and I'm putting this one below work on OOo, WW> Firefox, Java, etc. Related to the gnome-speech/festival issue, WW> however, is that Orca should be able to recover from these kinds WW> of things gracefully because things can and will fail. We should WW> definitely get that kind of stuff resolved before v1.0. With latest version of debian package of Festival for amd64 works on my machine OK already. (festival 1.4.3-17.1) -- Jan Buchal Tel: (00420) 24 24 86 008 Mob: (00420) 608023021 From William.Walker@Sun.COM Sun Apr 2 13:01:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D3B33B0630 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 13:01:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29792-03 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 13:01:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B38AC3B0585 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 13:01:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-01.sun.com ([192.18.108.175]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k32H1VQj028460 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2006 11:01:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IX300M01SMEXA00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 02 Apr 2006 11:01:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.107] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IX300EZ6TYILC42@mail-amer.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 02 Apr 2006 11:01:31 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 13:01:31 -0400 From: Willie Walker Subject: Re: orca-setup, AttributeError In-reply-to: <878xqoeye5.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <87wtect8vw.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> <6A471F7A-1AD0-4812-A843-FF7253C07704@sun.com> <87psk481m4.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> <421DBF6A-9DBC-4394-9B08-2B5303C925E6@sun.com> <877j6c53rg.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> <740982FA-7950-49FC-A7FE-90222CE624AD@sun.com> <878xqoeye5.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.577 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.021, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.577 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2006 17:01:34 -0000 Hi Jan: I don't think the problem is whether festival itself works or not, it's the interaction between festival and gnome-speech, and also perhaps with gnome-speech on a 64-bit distribution. I've not had time to look into a fix for either of these problems. :-( Will > WW> Aha! Thanks. I've noticed some very bad things with the > WW> gnome-speech interaction with the festival server on some > Linux > WW> distributions. It looks like the pipe/socket between the two > WW> ends up going a little haywire, causing a bunch of > notification > WW> to be done for nothing. The result is usually that the CPU > WW> throttles to 98% and you need to kill the festival server. > WW> But...this may or may not be the thing you were running into. > > WW> While this problem is indeed important (any bug is usually at > WW> the top of least one person's list), I unfortunately have to > WW> prioritize things and I'm putting this one below work on OOo, > WW> Firefox, Java, etc. Related to the gnome-speech/festival > issue, > WW> however, is that Orca should be able to recover from these > kinds > WW> of things gracefully because things can and will fail. We > should > WW> definitely get that kind of stuff resolved before v1.0. > > With latest version of debian package of Festival for amd64 works > on my > machine OK already. (festival 1.4.3-17.1) > > > > -- > > Jan Buchal > Tel: (00420) 24 24 86 008 > Mob: (00420) 608023021 > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From William.Walker@Sun.COM Mon Apr 3 08:53:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 836D73B1AA7 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 08:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25696-10 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 08:53:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CAEC3B1ABC for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 08:52:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-02.sun.com ([192.18.108.176]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k33CqV8u008097 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 06:52:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IX500E01CYGS800@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 06:52:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.107] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IX500MV2D3IKVJ1@mail-amer.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 06:52:31 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 08:52:32 -0400 From: Willie Walker Subject: Re: orca-setup, AttributeError In-reply-to: Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: <4E86B5DD-F159-4CC4-A993-3F27C6FD702D@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <87wtect8vw.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> <6A471F7A-1AD0-4812-A843-FF7253C07704@sun.com> <87psk481m4.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> <421DBF6A-9DBC-4394-9B08-2B5303C925E6@sun.com> <877j6c53rg.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> <740982FA-7950-49FC-A7FE-90222CE624AD@sun.com> <878xqoeye5.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.577 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.021, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.577 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 12:53:42 -0000 Things are definitely looking better wrt Festival - I can get it working well on my Ubuntu Dapper Drake system w/o needing to modify anything in gnome-speech. I love those problems that seem to disappear if you ignore them long enough ;-). BTW, I spent some time getting Orca going with Ubuntu Dapper Drake Flight 6 on my Toshiba Tecra M2 laptop over the weekend. My loose notes are here: http://live.gnome.org/Orca/UbuntuDapperDrake The good news is that Festival works fine with it and I'm not seeing the same hangs and behavior that I was seeing before with the pipe/ socket to the Festival server. I'm also working on similar notes for Open Solaris (using FreeTTS as the synthesis driver). Do you have notes you took to get Orca going on your system? If so, it would be great to get them on the Orca WIKI to help others running down the same path as you. Thanks! Will On Apr 2, 2006, at 1:01 PM, Willie Walker wrote: > Hi Jan: > > I don't think the problem is whether festival itself works or not, > it's the interaction between festival and gnome-speech, and also > perhaps with gnome-speech on a 64-bit distribution. I've not had > time to look into a fix for either of these problems. :-( > > Will > >> WW> Aha! Thanks. I've noticed some very bad things with the >> WW> gnome-speech interaction with the festival server on some >> Linux >> WW> distributions. It looks like the pipe/socket between the two >> WW> ends up going a little haywire, causing a bunch of >> notification >> WW> to be done for nothing. The result is usually that the CPU >> WW> throttles to 98% and you need to kill the festival server. >> WW> But...this may or may not be the thing you were running into. >> >> WW> While this problem is indeed important (any bug is usually at >> WW> the top of least one person's list), I unfortunately have to >> WW> prioritize things and I'm putting this one below work on OOo, >> WW> Firefox, Java, etc. Related to the gnome-speech/festival >> issue, >> WW> however, is that Orca should be able to recover from these >> kinds >> WW> of things gracefully because things can and will fail. We >> should >> WW> definitely get that kind of stuff resolved before v1.0. >> >> With latest version of debian package of Festival for amd64 works >> on my >> machine OK already. (festival 1.4.3-17.1) >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Jan Buchal >> Tel: (00420) 24 24 86 008 >> Mob: (00420) 608023021 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Orca-list mailing list >> Orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > From buchal@ferda.buchal.name Mon Apr 3 09:21:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E81A3B1AD5 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 09:21:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28351-06 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 09:21:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ferda.buchal.name (pha-84-242-65-75.karneval.cz [84.242.65.75]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D8EF03B1AB3 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 09:21:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 8754 invoked by uid 1000); 3 Apr 2006 15:21:18 +0200 To: Orca screen reader developers Subject: Re: orca-setup, AttributeError From: Jan Buchal Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 15:11:59 +0200 In-Reply-To: <4E86B5DD-F159-4CC4-A993-3F27C6FD702D@sun.com> (Willie Walker's message of "Mon, 03 Apr 2006 08:52:32 -0400") Message-ID: <8764lq3isg.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> References: <87wtect8vw.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> <6A471F7A-1AD0-4812-A843-FF7253C07704@sun.com> <87psk481m4.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> <421DBF6A-9DBC-4394-9B08-2B5303C925E6@sun.com> <877j6c53rg.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> <740982FA-7950-49FC-A7FE-90222CE624AD@sun.com> <878xqoeye5.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> <4E86B5DD-F159-4CC4-A993-3F27C6FD702D@sun.com> Lines: 38 User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.448 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.016, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.448 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 13:21:26 -0000 >>>>> "WW" == Willie Walker writes: WW> Things are definitely looking better wrt Festival - I can get it WW> working well on my Ubuntu Dapper Drake system w/o needing to WW> modify anything in gnome-speech. I love those problems that seem WW> to disappear if you ignore them long enough ;-). that's fine. WW> BTW, I spent some time getting Orca going with Ubuntu Dapper WW> Drake Flight 6 on my Toshiba Tecra M2 laptop over the weekend. WW> My loose notes are here: WW> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/UbuntuDapperDrake WW> The good news is that Festival works fine with it and I'm not WW> seeing the same hangs and behavior that I was seeing before with WW> the pipe/ socket to the Festival server. WW> I'm also working on similar notes for Open Solaris (using WW> FreeTTS as the synthesis driver). Do you have notes you took to WW> get Orca going on your system? If so, it would be great to get WW> them on the Orca WIKI to help others running down the same path WW> as you. Yes, I would like write something but my English is realy not very well. :-) The other problem is with gnome accessibility now. Until will be not solved this problem I can not use orca. I posted my question with description to gnome-accessibility list. have you nice day -- Jan Buchal Tel: (00420) 24 24 86 008 Mob: (00420) 608023021 From William.Walker@Sun.COM Mon Apr 3 09:26:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24C613B253C for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 09:26:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28653-08 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 09:26:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F7863B2575 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 09:26:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-06.sun.com ([192.18.108.180]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k33DQBQj027548 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 07:26:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IX500001EBB3900@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 07:26:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.107] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IX5005TUENLR7K2@mail-amer.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 07:26:10 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 09:26:12 -0400 From: Willie Walker Subject: Re: orca-setup, AttributeError In-reply-to: <8764lq3isg.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: <71C9F71E-A10E-4B67-99A1-40A8D8BB85F2@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <87wtect8vw.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> <6A471F7A-1AD0-4812-A843-FF7253C07704@sun.com> <87psk481m4.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> <421DBF6A-9DBC-4394-9B08-2B5303C925E6@sun.com> <877j6c53rg.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> <740982FA-7950-49FC-A7FE-90222CE624AD@sun.com> <878xqoeye5.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> <4E86B5DD-F159-4CC4-A993-3F27C6FD702D@sun.com> <8764lq3isg.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.578 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.020, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.578 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 13:26:39 -0000 Hi Jan: With GNOME 2.14, hopefully everything is managed with the a11y setting in gconf and you should not need (I hope!) to set environment variables. The only exception might be that you need to set "GTK_MODULES=:gail:atk-bridge:", but I'm not sure you even need to do that anymore. As such, hopefully all you need to do is just run orca-setup - it will make the appropriate gconf setting on your behalf. Then, log out and log back in and things *should* work, I hope. Will On Apr 3, 2006, at 9:11 AM, Jan Buchal wrote: >>>>>> "WW" == Willie Walker writes: > > WW> Things are definitely looking better wrt Festival - I can > get it > WW> working well on my Ubuntu Dapper Drake system w/o needing to > WW> modify anything in gnome-speech. I love those problems that > seem > WW> to disappear if you ignore them long enough ;-). > that's fine. > > WW> BTW, I spent some time getting Orca going with Ubuntu Dapper > WW> Drake Flight 6 on my Toshiba Tecra M2 laptop over the weekend. > WW> My loose notes are here: > > WW> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/UbuntuDapperDrake > > WW> The good news is that Festival works fine with it and I'm not > WW> seeing the same hangs and behavior that I was seeing before > with > WW> the pipe/ socket to the Festival server. > > WW> I'm also working on similar notes for Open Solaris (using > WW> FreeTTS as the synthesis driver). Do you have notes you > took to > WW> get Orca going on your system? If so, it would be great to get > WW> them on the Orca WIKI to help others running down the same > path > WW> as you. > > Yes, I would like write something but my English is realy not very > well. > :-) The other problem is with gnome accessibility now. Until will > be not > solved this > problem I can not use orca. I posted my question with description to > gnome-accessibility list. > > have you nice day > > -- > > Jan Buchal > Tel: (00420) 24 24 86 008 > Mob: (00420) 608023021 > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From buchal@ferda.buchal.name Mon Apr 3 09:52:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C1F23B257F for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 09:52:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30802-07 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 09:52:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ferda.buchal.name (pha-84-242-65-75.karneval.cz [84.242.65.75]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A167D3B2567 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 09:52:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9981 invoked by uid 1000); 3 Apr 2006 15:52:14 +0200 To: Orca screen reader developers Subject: Re: orca-setup, AttributeError From: Jan Buchal Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 15:44:11 +0200 In-Reply-To: <71C9F71E-A10E-4B67-99A1-40A8D8BB85F2@sun.com> (Willie Walker's message of "Mon, 03 Apr 2006 09:26:12 -0400") Message-ID: <87fykuydsk.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> References: <87wtect8vw.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> <6A471F7A-1AD0-4812-A843-FF7253C07704@sun.com> <87psk481m4.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> <421DBF6A-9DBC-4394-9B08-2B5303C925E6@sun.com> <877j6c53rg.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> <740982FA-7950-49FC-A7FE-90222CE624AD@sun.com> <878xqoeye5.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> <4E86B5DD-F159-4CC4-A993-3F27C6FD702D@sun.com> <8764lq3isg.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> <71C9F71E-A10E-4B67-99A1-40A8D8BB85F2@sun.com> Lines: 28 User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.449 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.015, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.449 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 13:52:19 -0000 >>>>> "WW" == Willie Walker writes: WW> Hi Jan: With GNOME 2.14, hopefully everything is managed with WW> the a11y setting in gconf and you should not need (I hope!) to WW> set environment variables. The only exception might be that you WW> need to set "GTK_MODULES=:gail:atk-bridge:", but I'm not sure WW> you even need to do that anymore. It would be nice. WW> As such, hopefully all you need to do is just run orca-setup - WW> it will make the appropriate gconf setting on your behalf. Then, WW> log out and log back in and things *should* work, I hope. Yes but my problem with gnome now is probably in some bug I do not where in gnome, atspi?.... As I wrote ing gnome accessibility mailing list after accessibility feature settings don't work keyboard navigation and sometime gnome not start. Maybe I have wait for newest version of gnome session or something other. -- Jan Buchal Tel: (00420) 24 24 86 008 Mob: (00420) 608023021 From William.Walker@Sun.COM Mon Apr 3 09:58:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7F753B2430 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 09:58:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31169-07 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 09:58:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CED43B1AC8 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 09:58:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-01.sun.com ([192.18.108.175]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k33DwXuf029045 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 07:58:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IX500H01FUKSF00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 07:58:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.107] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IX500ETLG5KM4P3@mail-amer.sun.com>; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 07:58:33 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 09:58:35 -0400 From: Willie Walker Subject: Ubuntu Dapper Drake and Solaris Express installation notes for Orca on line Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: <27418EF5-04AA-4921-9C1B-79B16313C508@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.578 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.020, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.578 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 13:58:41 -0000 Hey All: Over the weekend, I played with getting Ubuntu Dapper Drake Flight 6 and the latest Solaris Express distributions installed and working with Orca. My rough notes are on the Orca WIKI, which you can reach from the Orca web page: The cool thing for me was that Solaris Express with Vermillion_08 (both available for community download) came with Orca and its supporting tools (BrlTTY, gnome-speech with FreeTTS) installed and working out of the box. Sun still needs to do some tidying to tie it all together, but getting Orca going on the Solaris platform was actually the simplest platform so far. In any case, I'm hoping others in the Orca community can help here by: 1) Helping review/edit/fix the current rough notes 2) Helping contribute similar notes for other Linux distributions 3) Helping improve the overall layout and ease of navigation of the Orca web page and WIKI Thanks and happy swimming, Will From William.Walker@Sun.COM Mon Apr 3 10:04:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33CFD3B2581 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 10:04:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31519-09 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 10:04:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C8B03B2555 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 10:04:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-04.sun.com ([192.18.108.178]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k33E4Muf003723 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 08:04:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IX500J01FZ46K00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 08:04:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.107] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IX5008RQGF42OJ3@mail-amer.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 08:04:22 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 10:04:19 -0400 From: Willie Walker Subject: Re: orca-setup, AttributeError In-reply-to: <87fykuydsk.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: <6995C3C7-6FC5-49CD-97D1-0D350907C942@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <87wtect8vw.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> <6A471F7A-1AD0-4812-A843-FF7253C07704@sun.com> <87psk481m4.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> <421DBF6A-9DBC-4394-9B08-2B5303C925E6@sun.com> <877j6c53rg.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> <740982FA-7950-49FC-A7FE-90222CE624AD@sun.com> <878xqoeye5.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> <4E86B5DD-F159-4CC4-A993-3F27C6FD702D@sun.com> <8764lq3isg.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> <71C9F71E-A10E-4B67-99A1-40A8D8BB85F2@sun.com> <87fykuydsk.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.578 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.020, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.578 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 14:04:26 -0000 > Yes but my problem with gnome now is probably in some bug I do not > where > in gnome, atspi?.... As I wrote ing gnome accessibility mailing list > after accessibility feature settings don't work keyboard navigation > and > sometime gnome not start. Maybe I have wait for newest version of > gnome > session or something other. Are you using GNOME 2.14? If not, I'd recommend upgrading to it since it will put us all on the same footing. If you are using GNOME 2.14, then I'm wondering if maybe some stale processes are hanging around. I'd look for any bonobo processes still hanging about, including anything that looks like a *-synthesis- driver. WRT to keyboard navigation not working, do you know if the desktop is completely hung or not, or can you still type in text areas and get around via the mouse? Will From wvdwalt@csir.co.za Mon Apr 3 10:15:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C72B63B25B4 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 10:15:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32113-07 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 10:15:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from apollo.csir.co.za (mx-4.csir.co.za [146.64.10.99]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03C2A3B2462 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 10:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([146.64.19.125]) by apollo.csir.co.za (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k33EF2EW019381 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 16:15:02 +0200 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k33ECNBa022715 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 16:12:23 +0200 Received: from localhost (wvdwalt@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id k33ECNPm022709 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 16:12:23 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: wvdwalt owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 16:12:23 +0200 (SAST) From: Willem van der Walt X-X-Sender: wvdwalt@localhost.localdomain To: Orca screen reader developers In-Reply-To: <27418EF5-04AA-4921-9C1B-79B16313C508@sun.com> Message-ID: References: <27418EF5-04AA-4921-9C1B-79B16313C508@sun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-CSIR-MailScanner-Information: Please contact sys-admin at csir dot co dot za for more information X-CSIR-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: wvdwalt@csir.co.za X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.232 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.233, BAYES_50=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.232 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Orca Latest firefox which does compile? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 14:15:35 -0000 Hi, I tried to get the latest firefox built from cvs without any luck. Is there a tar ball somewhere whidch is known to compile? TIA Willem -- This message is subject to the CSIR's copyright, terms and conditions and e-mail legal notice. Views expressed herein do not necessarily represent the views of the CSIR. CSIR E-mail Legal Notice http://mail.csir.co.za/CSIR_eMail_Legal_Notice.html CSIR Copyright, Terms and Conditions http://mail.csir.co.za/CSIR_Copyright.html For electronic copies of the CSIR Copyright, Terms and Conditions and the CSIR Legal Notice send a blank message with REQUEST LEGAL in the subject line to HelpDesk@csir.co.za. 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From buchal@ferda.buchal.name Mon Apr 3 10:49:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ED963B1AFB for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 10:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01987-04 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 10:49:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ferda.buchal.name (pha-84-242-65-75.karneval.cz [84.242.65.75]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 08C573B1968 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 10:49:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 12262 invoked by uid 1000); 3 Apr 2006 16:49:42 +0200 To: Orca screen reader developers Subject: Re: orca-setup, AttributeError From: Jan Buchal Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 16:32:38 +0200 In-Reply-To: <6995C3C7-6FC5-49CD-97D1-0D350907C942@sun.com> (Willie Walker's message of "Mon, 03 Apr 2006 10:04:19 -0400") Message-ID: <873bguviex.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> References: <87wtect8vw.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> <6A471F7A-1AD0-4812-A843-FF7253C07704@sun.com> <87psk481m4.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> <421DBF6A-9DBC-4394-9B08-2B5303C925E6@sun.com> <877j6c53rg.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> <740982FA-7950-49FC-A7FE-90222CE624AD@sun.com> <878xqoeye5.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> <4E86B5DD-F159-4CC4-A993-3F27C6FD702D@sun.com> <8764lq3isg.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> <71C9F71E-A10E-4B67-99A1-40A8D8BB85F2@sun.com> <87fykuydsk.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> <6995C3C7-6FC5-49CD-97D1-0D350907C942@sun.com> Lines: 33 User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.45 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.014, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.45 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 14:49:52 -0000 >>>>> "WW" == Willie Walker writes: >> Yes but my problem with gnome now is probably in some bug I do >> not where in gnome, atspi?.... As I wrote ing gnome accessibility >> mailing list after accessibility feature settings don't work >> keyboard navigation and sometime gnome not start. Maybe I have >> wait for newest version of gnome session or something other. WW> Are you using GNOME 2.14? If not, I'd recommend upgrading to it WW> since it will put us all on the same footing. No, 2.12 because it is the latest version in Debian amd64. WW> If you are using GNOME 2.14, then I'm wondering if maybe some WW> stale processes are hanging around. I'd look for any bonobo WW> processes still hanging about, including anything that looks WW> like a *-synthesis- driver. I can of course install form cvs but it is not easy. I am not sure which components are significant. gnome session? gnome desktop? WW> WRT to keyboard navigation not working, do you know if the WW> desktop is completely hung or not, or can you still type in text WW> areas and get around via the mouse? I don't understand very well now. My X with gnome session start and metacity too but some applications the firefox for example finish with segfault. If I switch the accessibility off then firefox works OK. -- Jan Buchal Tel: (00420) 24 24 86 008 Mob: (00420) 608023021 From Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM Mon Apr 3 11:03:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2A823B1B23 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 11:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03162-08 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 11:03:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D878F3B1B55 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 11:03:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-02.sun.com ([192.18.108.176]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k33F3kuf022911 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 09:03:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IX500K01J1IRR00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 09:03:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [129.146.91.14] by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IX500HRBJ69OC10@mail-amer.sun.com>; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 09:03:46 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 08:02:29 -0700 From: Rich Burridge Subject: Re: Orca and the volume control in FC5? In-reply-to: <7.0.0.16.0.20060401102019.01d6b520@carolina.rr.com> Sender: Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM To: Orca screen reader developers , renger@carolina.rr.com Message-id: <44313905.5020509@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <001601c654e1$beb16770$6901a8c0@thinkpad> <7.0.0.16.0.20060401102019.01d6b520@carolina.rr.com> User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060327) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.596 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.002, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.596 X-Spam-Level: Cc: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 15:03:50 -0000 Ricky Enger wrote: > Hi all, > I'm running FC5 and have also experienced this bizarre behavior with > the volume control applet. Luckily, Orca tracks Alsamixer in a > terminal quite well, so that's a workable solution for the moment. > Still, I too would be curious to know whether this is an Orca tracking > issue or something specific to the applet itself. I'm wondering if > anyone has encountered this in other distros, or if it's something > unique to FC5? I can give you another data point. Using Solaris x86 (Nevada build 34), with JDS/GNOME 2.14, and the latest Orca from CVS HEAD, I can happily Control-Alt-Tab to select the bottom panel, then keep Tab'ing to select the volume control. When it initially gets focus, I get the following debug output: ... BRAILLE LINE: 'gnome-panel Application Bottom Expanded Edge Panel Frame Bottom Expanded Edge Panel Panel Volume: 61% EmbeddedComponent' VISIBLE: 'Volume: 61% EmbeddedComponent', cursor=1 SPEECH OUTPUT: 'Bottom Expanded Edge Panel panel' SPEECH OUTPUT: 'Volume: 61% embedded component' ... I have key echo enabled in my ~/.orca/user-settings.py file (via orca-setup), and when I use the arrow keys it echoes "Down" and "Up" but there is no other spoken or brailled indication from Orca. The volume does successfully change though. No irratic behavior. This might be a good example for somebody interesting in starting to do Orca scripting. It would be nice for the current volume to be spoken/brailled after it's been set to a new value. If anyone is interested, I can help them get started on what needs to be done. > At 11:39 AM 3/31/2006, you wrote: > >> Just wondering how many others have experienced issues with the >> volume control applet in FC5? I can tab to the appropriate sliders, >> but up and down arrowing on those sliders yields strange results. >> It's almost as if pressing the up and down arrows is causing the >> focus to shift off of the sliders. I'm not sure whether this is >> indeed the case, or whether Orca is just not tracking them properly. >> >> If anyone can shed more light on what is going on, that would be great. >> >> Thanks, >> >> --al >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Orca-list mailing list >> Orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >> Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 3/31/2006 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 3/31/2006 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > From javier@tiflolinux.org Mon Apr 3 11:16:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 413723B24E9 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 11:16:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04049-04 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 11:16:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tiflolinux.org (139.red-82-158-40.user.auna.net [82.158.40.139]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D36393B24C1 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 11:16:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (uid 503) by tiflolinux.org with local; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 18:25:56 +0200 id 000F20BD.44314C94.000057FF Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 18:25:56 +0200 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fco=2E_Javier_Dorado_Mart=EDnez?=" To: Orca screen reader developers Subject: Re: Orca Latest firefox which does compile? Message-ID: <20060403162556.GB17611@tiflolinux.org> References: <27418EF5-04AA-4921-9C1B-79B16313C508@sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: Linux tiflolinux.org 2.4.20-8 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.10i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.386 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.132, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL=1.946] X-Spam-Score: -0.386 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 15:16:42 -0000 Hi to all Willem, you can try downloading a nightly build of firefox deerpark II look at ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/ firefox/nightly/latest-trunk/ Regards, Javier On Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 04:12:23PM +0200, Willem van der Walt wrote: > Hi, > I tried to get the latest firefox built from cvs without any luck. > Is there a tar ball somewhere whidch is known to compile? > TIA > Willem > > > > -- > This message is subject to the CSIR's copyright, terms and conditions and > e-mail legal notice. 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MailScanner thanks Transtec > Computers for their support. > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From William.Walker@Sun.COM Mon Apr 3 16:27:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC32F3B2671 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 16:27:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26147-09 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 16:27:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com (brmea-mail-1.Sun.COM [192.18.98.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4C0C3B1D19 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 16:27:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-05.sun.com ([192.18.108.179]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k33KRQSD007600 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 14:27:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IX500L01XWOG700@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 14:27:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IX50035MY5OQCW3@mail-amer.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 14:27:26 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 16:27:27 -0400 From: Willie Walker Subject: Re: orca-setup, AttributeError In-reply-to: <873bguviex.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.746.2) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <87wtect8vw.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> <6A471F7A-1AD0-4812-A843-FF7253C07704@sun.com> <87psk481m4.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> <421DBF6A-9DBC-4394-9B08-2B5303C925E6@sun.com> <877j6c53rg.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> <740982FA-7950-49FC-A7FE-90222CE624AD@sun.com> <878xqoeye5.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> <4E86B5DD-F159-4CC4-A993-3F27C6FD702D@sun.com> <8764lq3isg.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> <71C9F71E-A10E-4B67-99A1-40A8D8BB85F2@sun.com> <87fykuydsk.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> <6995C3C7-6FC5-49CD-97D1-0D350907C942@sun.com> <873bguviex.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.578 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.020, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.578 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 20:27:29 -0000 Hi Jan: One *can* make orca run on a GNOME 2.12 system, but what you'll basically doing is pulling in needed bits from GNOME 2.14. Since Orca is not at a 1.0 level yet, and since GNOME 2.14 bits are becoming more and more easily available (e.g., Fedora Core 5 and Ubuntu Dapper Drake), the path of least resistance here would be to just go to GNOME 2.14. Will On Apr 3, 2006, at 10:32 AM, Jan Buchal wrote: >>>>>> "WW" == Willie Walker writes: > >>> Yes but my problem with gnome now is probably in some bug I do >>> not where in gnome, atspi?.... As I wrote ing gnome accessibility >>> mailing list after accessibility feature settings don't work >>> keyboard navigation and sometime gnome not start. Maybe I have >>> wait for newest version of gnome session or something other. > > WW> Are you using GNOME 2.14? If not, I'd recommend upgrading > to it > WW> since it will put us all on the same footing. > No, 2.12 because it is the latest version in Debian amd64. > > WW> If you are using GNOME 2.14, then I'm wondering if maybe some > WW> stale processes are hanging around. I'd look for any bonobo > WW> processes still hanging about, including anything that looks > WW> like a *-synthesis- driver. > I can of course install form cvs but it is not easy. I am not sure > which > components are significant. gnome session? gnome desktop? > > WW> WRT to keyboard navigation not working, do you know if the > WW> desktop is completely hung or not, or can you still type in > text > WW> areas and get around via the mouse? > > I don't understand very well now. My X with gnome session start and > metacity too but some applications the firefox for example finish with > segfault. If I switch the accessibility off then firefox works OK. > > -- > > Jan Buchal > Tel: (00420) 24 24 86 008 > Mob: (00420) 608023021 > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From churst31@verizon.net Mon Apr 3 16:41:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80B723B1D7E for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 16:41:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26899-09 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 16:41:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B71183B1BFE for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 16:41:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from avlap2468 ([72.78.37.40]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IX500G38YTKC265@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 15:41:45 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 16:39:08 -0700 From: "Cody" Subject: tarting orca To: "Orca screen reader developers" Message-id: <004401c65777$cdea7fe0$2b01a8c0@avlap2468> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0041_01C6573D.20F0A060" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.851 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.058, BAYES_50=0.001, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: 0.851 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 20:41:46 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C6573D.20F0A060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi I have opened a terminal and typed orca-setup I get a prompt asking me which voice I want. I can't quite understand = the 2 options, so I select one, then i am asked for speak echo = charactors, I say Y for yes, after this I get no speech, what is going = wrong? I have managed to get this far. I still can't get out of a = terminal window, is there another type of setup I need to do? thanx a lot cody ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C6573D.20F0A060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hi
  I have opened a terminal and=20 typed
 
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I get a prompt asking me which voice I = want. I=20 can't quite understand the 2 options, so I select one, then i am asked = for speak=20 echo charactors, I say Y for yes, after this I get no speech, what is = going=20 wrong? I have managed to get this far. I still can't get out of a = terminal=20 window, is there another type of setup I need to do?
 
thanx a lot
cody
------=_NextPart_000_0041_01C6573D.20F0A060-- From Michael.Pedersen@Sun.COM Mon Apr 3 16:45:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15EFD3B273D for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 16:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27279-07 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 16:45:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nwkea-mail-5.sun.com (nwkea-mail-5.sun.com [192.18.42.27]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 920803B1D7E for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 16:45:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phys-mpk-2 ([129.146.11.82]) by nwkea-mail-5.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k33Kj2xZ006406 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 13:45:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com by mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.24 (built Dec 19 2003)) id <0IX500I01YXBPR@mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> (original mail from Michael.Pedersen@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 13:45:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toshiba (vpn-129-150-26-205.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.150.26.205]) by mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.24 (built Dec 19 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IX500MNBYYXZJ@mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 13:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 13:44:57 -0700 From: Mike Pedersen Subject: RE: tarting orca In-reply-to: <004401c65777$cdea7fe0$2b01a8c0@avlap2468> To: "'Orca screen reader developers'" Message-id: <0IX500MNCYYXZJ@mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_yZFV14aLrQN0nW69p89DPw)" Thread-index: AcZXXw99UuCR6neURce30dhRc4rqiQAAB6/Q X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.534 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.796, BAYES_20=-0.74, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.534 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 20:45:05 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_yZFV14aLrQN0nW69p89DPw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hello Cody, I have opened a terminal and typed orca-setup I get a prompt asking me which voice I want. I can't quite understand the 2 options, so I select one, then i am asked for speak echo charactors, I say Y for yes, after this I get no speech, what is going wrong? I have managed to get this far. I still can't get out of a terminal window, is there another type of setup I need to do? After you finish orca-setup you will not have speech until you type orca. What happens if you type orca in the terminal prompt? Mike --Boundary_(ID_yZFV14aLrQN0nW69p89DPw) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE
Hello Cody,=20  
   I have opened a termin= al and=20 typed
 
orca-setup
 
I get a prompt asking me which voi= ce I want. I=20 can't quite understand the 2 options, so I select one, then i am as= ked for=20 speak echo charactors, I say Y for yes, after this I get no speech,= what is=20 going wrong? I have managed to get this far. I still can't get out = of a=20 terminal window, is there another type of setup I need to do?
 
A= fter you finish=20 orca-setup you will not have speech until you type orca.  What= happens if=20 you type orca in the terminal prompt?
Mike
--Boundary_(ID_yZFV14aLrQN0nW69p89DPw)-- From alpuzz@gmail.com Mon Apr 3 16:48:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ACC13B246D for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 16:48:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27467-07 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 16:48:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.237]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39B403B272C for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2006 16:48:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 58so730835wri for ; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 13:48:15 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=Fx1BCpoW/U71F+W92jm19IV6hhaNb7s61yNYTMg/eraFiGOq7o7g7ybfF32L5iOHW5BfGzRGMhbhmaCvzSt1WGFuRkJHYYAl5Lg1ffN/itMrJTrdcT6TmYFqqHe04qFB/4zbS9MDvz5EiyVmHhX3KhOD/DQa0vtETm1MU6ThLxk= Received: by 10.54.103.11 with SMTP id a11mr3379881wrc; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 13:48:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thinkpad ( [68.41.20.163]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 7sm2334341wrl.2006.04.03.13.48.15; Mon, 03 Apr 2006 13:48:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001501c6575f$ed4acdd0$6901a8c0@thinkpad> From: "Al Puzzuoli" To: "Orca screen reader developers" References: <004401c65777$cdea7fe0$2b01a8c0@avlap2468> Subject: Re: tarting orca Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2006 16:48:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01C6573E.65569600" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.424 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.314, BAYES_05=-1.11, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.424 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2006 20:48:18 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C6573E.65569600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Cody, After you make your selections in orca-setup, you should actually be = ready to go. orca-setup does its thing and then exits, so at that = point, you won't get any further speech until you actually run the orca = command. When you're at the gnome desktop, press alt+f2 to bring up the run = dialog, type orca and press enter. At that point, you should start getting speech. If this is not the = case, Please let us know. Good luck and best regards, --Al ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Cody=20 To: Orca screen reader developers=20 Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 7:39 PM Subject: tarting orca hi I have opened a terminal and typed orca-setup I get a prompt asking me which voice I want. I can't quite understand = the 2 options, so I select one, then i am asked for speak echo = charactors, I say Y for yes, after this I get no speech, what is going = wrong? I have managed to get this far. I still can't get out of a = terminal window, is there another type of setup I need to do? thanx a lot cody -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- _______________________________________________ Orca-list mailing list Orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C6573E.65569600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Cody,
 
After you make your selections = in orca-setup,=20 you should actually be ready to = go. =20 orca-setup  does its thing and then exits, so at that point, you = won't get=20 any further speech until you actually run the orca = command.
When you're at=20 the gnome desktop, press alt+f2  to bring up the run dialog, type = orca and=20 press enter.
 
At that point, you should start getting speech.  If this is = not the=20 case, Please let us know.
 
Good luck and best regards,
 
--Al
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Cody=20
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 = 7:39=20 PM
Subject: tarting orca

hi
  I have opened a terminal and=20 typed
 
orca-setup
 
I get a prompt asking me which voice = I want. I=20 can't quite understand the 2 options, so I select one, then i am asked = for=20 speak echo charactors, I say Y for yes, after this I get no speech, = what is=20 going wrong? I have managed to get this far. I still can't get out of = a=20 terminal window, is there another type of setup I need to = do?
 
thanx a lot
cody

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------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C6573E.65569600-- From FDMA@once.es Tue Apr 4 02:25:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C40703B27A5 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 02:25:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25240-06 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 02:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx.once.es (mx.once.es [217.149.152.66]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7FF63B0A56 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 02:25:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omail01.once.org (unknown [172.24.1.51]) by mx.once.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id E949B32D9 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 08:25:48 +0200 (MEST) Received: by OMAIL01.once.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 08:25:24 +0200 Message-ID: <178EEBC4C5E55548A84E8B18F52AF80010C3B19E@omailcl.once.org> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Dorado_Mart=EDnez=2C_Francisco_Javier=22?= To: Orca screen reader developers Subject: RE: tarting orca Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 08:25:24 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C657B0.8EDBD4F0" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.949 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.649, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.949 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 06:25:33 -0000 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C657B0.8EDBD4F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi, I get a prompt asking me which voice I want. I can't quite understand the 2 options, so I select one, then i am asked for speak echo charactors, I say Y for yes, after The first choice is to use the emacspeak speech services, so you have to select the second one, to use the gnome-speech services. Then run orca Regards, Javier -----Mensaje original----- De: Mike Pedersen [mailto:Michael.Pedersen@Sun.COM] Enviado el: lunes, 03 de abril de 2006 22:45 Para: 'Orca screen reader developers' Asunto: RE: tarting orca Hello Cody, I have opened a terminal and typed orca-setup I get a prompt asking me which voice I want. I can't quite understand the 2 options, so I select one, then i am asked for speak echo charactors, I say Y for yes, after this I get no speech, what is going wrong? I have managed to get this far. I still can't get out of a terminal window, is there another type of setup I need to do? After you finish orca-setup you will not have speech until you type orca. What happens if you type orca in the terminal prompt? Mike ------_=_NextPart_001_01C657B0.8EDBD4F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Mensaje
Hi,
 
I get a prompt asking me which voice I want. I can't quite understand the 2 options, so I select one, then i am asked for speak echo charactors, I say Y for yes, after
 
The first choice is to use the emacspeak speech services, so you have to select the second one, to use the gnome-speech services. Then run orca
 
Regards,
Javier
 
-----Mensaje original-----
De: Mike Pedersen [mailto:Michael.Pedersen@Sun.COM]
Enviado el: lunes, 03 de abril de 2006 22:45
Para: 'Orca screen reader developers'
Asunto: RE: tarting orca

Hello Cody,  
   I have opened a terminal and typed
 
orca-setup
 
I get a prompt asking me which voice I want. I can't quite understand the 2 options, so I select one, then i am asked for speak echo charactors, I say Y for yes, after this I get no speech, what is going wrong? I have managed to get this far. I still can't get out of a terminal window, is there another type of setup I need to do?
 
After you finish orca-setup you will not have speech until you type orca.  What happens if you type orca in the terminal prompt?
Mike
------_=_NextPart_001_01C657B0.8EDBD4F0-- From FDMA@once.es Tue Apr 4 07:53:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41C4B3B0D07 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 07:53:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11639-08 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 07:53:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx.once.es (mx.once.es [217.149.152.66]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4FEE3B1C5B for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 07:53:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omail01.once.org (unknown [172.24.1.51]) by mx.once.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A0AB32E1 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 13:54:06 +0200 (MEST) Received: by OMAIL01.once.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 13:53:42 +0200 Message-ID: <178EEBC4C5E55548A84E8B18F52AF80010C3B93A@omailcl.once.org> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Dorado_Mart=EDnez=2C_Francisco_Javier=22?= To: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: I18n working in Orca? Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2006 13:53:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.382 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.217, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.382 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 11:53:48 -0000 Hi folks I am trying to make i18n work in Orca, I have correct the locale LANGUAGE=es_ES_UTF8, and the orca.mo is generated in compile/installation step. But when I run Orca it plays in english instead of spanish. >From python I have tried from orca_i18n import _ And then _("Welcome to Orca") for example, and it returns the same string. I have tried with other strings and the same occured. Any help would be appreciated Thanks Regards, Javier From buchal@ferda.buchal.name Tue Apr 4 08:32:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C578E3B1AA4 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 08:32:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14752-04 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 08:32:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ferda.buchal.name (pha-84-242-65-75.karneval.cz [84.242.65.75]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2C5403B1F2A for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 08:32:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9331 invoked by uid 1000); 4 Apr 2006 14:32:46 +0200 To: Orca screen reader developers Subject: Re: orca-setup, AttributeError From: Jan Buchal Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 14:23:19 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Willie Walker's message of "Mon, 03 Apr 2006 16:27:27 -0400") Message-ID: <87slotedhk.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> References: <87wtect8vw.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> <6A471F7A-1AD0-4812-A843-FF7253C07704@sun.com> <87psk481m4.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> <421DBF6A-9DBC-4394-9B08-2B5303C925E6@sun.com> <877j6c53rg.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> <740982FA-7950-49FC-A7FE-90222CE624AD@sun.com> <878xqoeye5.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> <4E86B5DD-F159-4CC4-A993-3F27C6FD702D@sun.com> <8764lq3isg.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> <71C9F71E-A10E-4B67-99A1-40A8D8BB85F2@sun.com> <87fykuydsk.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> <6995C3C7-6FC5-49CD-97D1-0D350907C942@sun.com> <873bguviex.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> Lines: 28 User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.45 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.014, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.45 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 12:32:51 -0000 >>>>> "WW" == Willie Walker writes: WW> Hi Jan: One *can* make orca run on a GNOME 2.12 system, but what WW> you'll basically doing is pulling in needed bits from GNOME WW> 2.14. Since Orca is not at a 1.0 level yet, and since GNOME 2.14 WW> bits are becoming more and more easily available (e.g., Fedora WW> Core 5 and Ubuntu Dapper Drake), the path of least resistance WW> here would be to just go to GNOME 2.14. Good news. It seems that gnome 2.14 comes in Debian unstable form amd64 already. I hope that through several next days come other gnome packages too. I can of course install 32bits in chroot for example but I wanted deeply to try the 64bits platform. I think this platform will be most often used. What not works today can tomorrow. :-) Have you nice day. -- Jan Buchal Tel: (00420) 24 24 86 008 Mob: (00420) 608023021 From churst31@verizon.net Tue Apr 4 23:30:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A4AA3B0A63 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 23:30:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31427-09 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 23:30:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E36733B0A2A for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 23:30:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 4jdbtg639263d6 ([72.78.37.221]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IX8000WLCE9NJ59@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 22:30:10 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 20:30:09 -0700 From: "C-DOG" Subject: Re: tarting orca To: "Orca screen reader developers" Message-id: <001801c65861$3e3b3f20$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C65826.91547270" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <178EEBC4C5E55548A84E8B18F52AF80010C3B19E@omailcl.once.org> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.458 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.233, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -0.458 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 03:30:16 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C65826.91547270 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mensajethank you a lot. I will keep that in mind. Cody ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Dorado Mart=EDnez, Francisco Javier"=20 To: Orca screen reader developers=20 Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 11:25 PM Subject: RE: tarting orca Hi, I get a prompt asking me which voice I want. I can't quite understand = the 2 options, so I select one, then i am asked for speak echo = charactors, I say Y for yes, after=20 The first choice is to use the emacspeak speech services, so you have = to select the second one, to use the gnome-speech services. Then run = orca=20 Regards, Javier -----Mensaje original----- De: Mike Pedersen [mailto:Michael.Pedersen@Sun.COM]=20 Enviado el: lunes, 03 de abril de 2006 22:45 Para: 'Orca screen reader developers' Asunto: RE: tarting orca Hello Cody, =20 I have opened a terminal and typed orca-setup I get a prompt asking me which voice I want. I can't quite = understand the 2 options, so I select one, then i am asked for speak = echo charactors, I say Y for yes, after this I get no speech, what is = going wrong? I have managed to get this far. I still can't get out of a = terminal window, is there another type of setup I need to do? After you finish orca-setup you will not have speech until you = type orca. What happens if you type orca in the terminal prompt? Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- _______________________________________________ Orca-list mailing list Orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C65826.91547270 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mensaje
thank you a lot. I will keep that in=20 mind.
 
Cody
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 "Dorado = Mart=EDnez, Francisco=20 Javier"
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 = 11:25=20 PM
Subject: RE: tarting orca

Hi,
 
I = get a prompt=20 asking me which voice I want. I can't quite understand the 2 options, = so I=20 select one, then i am asked for speak echo charactors, I say Y for = yes, after=20
 
The = first choice=20 is to use the emacspeak speech services, so you have to select the = second one,=20 to use the gnome-speech services. Then run orca
 
Regards,
Javier
 
-----Mensaje original-----
De: Mike Pedersen=20 [mailto:Michael.Pedersen@Sun.COM]
Enviado el: lunes, 03 = de abril=20 de 2006 22:45
Para: 'Orca screen reader=20 developers'
Asunto: RE: tarting orca

Hello Cody,=20  
   I have opened a = terminal and=20 typed
 
orca-setup
 
I get a prompt asking me which = voice I want.=20 I can't quite understand the 2 options, so I select one, then i am = asked=20 for speak echo charactors, I say Y for yes, after this I get no = speech,=20 what is going wrong? I have managed to get this far. I still can't = get out=20 of a terminal window, is there another type of setup I need to=20 do?
 
After you=20 finish orca-setup you will not have speech until you type = orca.  What=20 happens if you type orca in the terminal = prompt?
Mike

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------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C65826.91547270-- From churst31@verizon.net Tue Apr 4 23:36:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43F693B06FF for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 23:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32114-01 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 23:36:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7CEE3B0C8F for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 23:36:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 4jdbtg639263d6 ([72.78.37.221]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IX8007W5CP81LJ3@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 22:36:45 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 20:36:44 -0700 From: "C-DOG" Subject: Re: tarting orca To: "Orca screen reader developers" Message-id: <002f01c65862$29b4ec80$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01C65827.7CBD7E00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <004401c65777$cdea7fe0$2b01a8c0@avlap2468> <001501c6575f$ed4acdd0$6901a8c0@thinkpad> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.558 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.133, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -0.558 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 03:36:47 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C65827.7CBD7E00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi al, I did the orca setup, selected 2, then Y for yes key echo, then closed = the terminal after it said setup was finished, then hit alt f2 typed = orca, bottom gnome pannel crashed, and got no speech. I'm not sure what = is going on here. I do however get speech while setup is running. Cody ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Al Puzzuoli=20 To: Orca screen reader developers=20 Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 1:48 PM Subject: Re: tarting orca Hi Cody, After you make your selections in orca-setup, you should actually be = ready to go. orca-setup does its thing and then exits, so at that = point, you won't get any further speech until you actually run the orca = command. When you're at the gnome desktop, press alt+f2 to bring up the run = dialog, type orca and press enter. At that point, you should start getting speech. If this is not the = case, Please let us know. Good luck and best regards, --Al ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Cody=20 To: Orca screen reader developers=20 Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 7:39 PM Subject: tarting orca hi I have opened a terminal and typed orca-setup I get a prompt asking me which voice I want. I can't quite = understand the 2 options, so I select one, then i am asked for speak = echo charactors, I say Y for yes, after this I get no speech, what is = going wrong? I have managed to get this far. I still can't get out of a = terminal window, is there another type of setup I need to do? thanx a lot cody -------------------------------------------------------------------------= --- _______________________________________________ Orca-list mailing list Orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- _______________________________________________ Orca-list mailing list Orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C65827.7CBD7E00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hi al,
  I did the orca setup, selected = 2, then Y for=20 yes key echo, then closed the terminal after it said setup was finished, = then=20 hit alt f2 typed orca, bottom gnome pannel crashed, and got no speech. = I'm not=20 sure what is going on here. I do however get speech while setup is=20 running.
 
Cody
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Al = Puzzuoli=20
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 = 1:48=20 PM
Subject: Re: tarting orca

Hi Cody,
 
After you make your selections=20 in orca-setup, you should = actually be=20 ready to go.  orca-setup  does its thing and then exits, so = at that=20 point, you won't get any further speech until you actually run the = orca=20 command.
When you're=20 at the gnome desktop, press alt+f2  to bring up the run dialog, = type orca=20 and press enter.
 
At that point, you should start getting speech.  If this is = not the=20 case, Please let us know.
 
Good luck and best regards,
 
--Al
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Cody=20
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 = 7:39=20 PM
Subject: tarting orca

hi
  I have opened a terminal and = typed
 
orca-setup
 
I get a prompt asking me which = voice I want. I=20 can't quite understand the 2 options, so I select one, then i am = asked for=20 speak echo charactors, I say Y for yes, after this I get no speech, = what is=20 going wrong? I have managed to get this far. I still can't get out = of a=20 terminal window, is there another type of setup I need to = do?
 
thanx a lot
cody

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------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C65827.7CBD7E00-- From churst31@verizon.net Tue Apr 4 23:38:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C3E93B0C8F for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 23:38:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31996-09 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 23:38:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 457323B0C7F for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2006 23:38:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 4jdbtg639263d6 ([72.78.37.221]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IX8007R2CRU1VJ3@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 04 Apr 2006 22:38:18 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 20:38:18 -0700 From: "C-DOG" Subject: Re: tarting orca To: "Orca screen reader developers" Message-id: <004c01c65862$617e3c20$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0049_01C65827.B4ACF340" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <0IX500MNCYYXZJ@mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.638 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.053, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -0.638 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 03:38:20 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C65827.B4ACF340 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable actually I can get through the setup, if I type orca in the terminal = then it will say welcome to orca. this does not happen in the run = dialogue in the gui of gnome it just crashes the pannel.cody ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mike Pedersen=20 To: 'Orca screen reader developers'=20 Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 1:44 PM Subject: RE: tarting orca Hello Cody, =20 I have opened a terminal and typed orca-setup I get a prompt asking me which voice I want. I can't quite = understand the 2 options, so I select one, then i am asked for speak = echo charactors, I say Y for yes, after this I get no speech, what is = going wrong? I have managed to get this far. I still can't get out of a = terminal window, is there another type of setup I need to do? After you finish orca-setup you will not have speech until you type = orca. What happens if you type orca in the terminal prompt? Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- _______________________________________________ Orca-list mailing list Orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C65827.B4ACF340 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
actually I can get through the setup, = if I type=20 orca in the terminal then it will say welcome to orca. this does not = happen in=20 the run dialogue in the gui of gnome it just crashes the=20 pannel.cody
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Mike=20 Pedersen
Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 = 1:44=20 PM
Subject: RE: tarting orca

Hello Cody,=20  
   I have opened a = terminal and=20 typed
 
orca-setup
 
I get a prompt asking me which = voice I want. I=20 can't quite understand the 2 options, so I select one, then i am = asked for=20 speak echo charactors, I say Y for yes, after this I get no speech, = what is=20 going wrong? I have managed to get this far. I still can't get out = of a=20 terminal window, is there another type of setup I need to = do?
 
After you finish=20 orca-setup you will not have speech until you type orca.  What = happens=20 if you type orca in the terminal prompt?
Mike

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------=_NextPart_000_0049_01C65827.B4ACF340-- From juanh@cox.net Wed Apr 5 03:25:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A00023B09D5; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 03:25:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09550-01; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 03:25:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fed1rmmtao12.cox.net (fed1rmmtao12.cox.net [68.230.241.27]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44A403B2AAD; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 03:25:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eric ([68.8.54.153]) by fed1rmmtao12.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20060405072507.XLFB17437.fed1rmmtao12.cox.net@eric>; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 03:25:07 -0400 From: "Juan Hernandez" To: Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 00:25:06 -0700 Message-ID: <000601c65882$103920d0$0700a8c0@eric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C65847.63DA48D0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Thread-Index: AcZYgg/ellVlaHrWSAS1lWLad3i/zg== X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.566 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.344, BAYES_50=0.001, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] X-Spam-Score: 0.566 X-Spam-Level: Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Orca ibm tts X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 07:25:09 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C65847.63DA48D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit where can I purchase the ibmtts voices so I can use with speakup and orca? Thanks ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C65847.63DA48D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
where = can I purchase=20 the ibmtts voices so I can use with speakup and = orca?
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C65847.63DA48D0-- From FDMA@once.es Wed Apr 5 07:13:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 302203B2B1A for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 07:13:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22995-01 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 07:13:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx.once.es (mx.once.es [217.149.152.66]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 418383B0C6D for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 07:13:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omail01.once.org (unknown [172.24.1.51]) by mx.once.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B6AC3208 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 13:13:44 +0200 (MEST) Received: by OMAIL01.once.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 13:13:20 +0200 Message-ID: <178EEBC4C5E55548A84E8B18F52AF80010D1F5CC@omailcl.once.org> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Dorado_Mart=EDnez=2C_Francisco_Javier=22?= To: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Start to scripting Orca Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 13:13:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.469 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.130, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.469 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 11:13:23 -0000 Hi to everyone I want to begin writing some code for Orca. I intent to create a showTimeAndDate script that will say and braille the current time and date. I have a question: Where should I put this script? I think into orca.py or perhaps util.py Please Any help Thanks Javier From William.Walker@Sun.COM Wed Apr 5 08:02:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8C3A3B2BB9 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 08:02:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26340-01 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 08:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D4B23B2B9D for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 08:01:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-05.sun.com ([192.18.108.179]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k35C13Fu011415 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 06:01:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IX800A01Y0O3E00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 06:01:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IX900DJI01ROZ54@mail-amer.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 06:01:03 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 08:00:59 -0400 From: Willie Walker Subject: Re: Start to scripting Orca In-reply-to: <178EEBC4C5E55548A84E8B18F52AF80010D1F5CC@omailcl.once.org> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: <1144238460.30115.8.camel@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT References: <178EEBC4C5E55548A84E8B18F52AF80010D1F5CC@omailcl.once.org> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.579 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.019, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.579 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 12:02:32 -0000 Hi Javier: Rather than providing custom global keystrokes for Orca, such as a keystroke to speak/braille the time, scripts are generally intended to provide specific output behavior for an application. Scripts can, of course, also provide custom keystrokes to control Orca and to interact with the application, but we generally want to rely upon the built-in keyboard navigation of the desktop and applications. As such, if you want to begin writing scripts, the better thing to would be to pick an application you really want better access to and start writing a script for that. But, if you really want a global keystroke for telling the time, then you can add something like the following to your ~/.orca/user-settings.py. This particular example sets up Insert+t to say "Hello World." # Set up custom keybindings. # import orca.braille import orca.input_event import orca.keybindings import orca.orca import orca.speech from orca.orca_i18n import _ def sayHello(script, inputEvent=None): message = _("Hello World") # Say/braille something. # orca.speech.speak(message) orca.braille.displayMessage(message) # Consume the event so it will not go to an application. # return True sayHelloHandler = orca.input_event.InputEventHandler( sayHello, _("Says hello to this fine world.")) myKeyBindings = orca.keybindings.KeyBindings() myKeyBindings.add(orca.keybindings.KeyBinding( "t", 1 << orca.orca.MODIFIER_ORCA, 1 << orca.orca.MODIFIER_ORCA, sayHelloHandler)) keyBindingsMap = {} keyBindingsMap["default"] = myKeyBindings Hope this helps, Will On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 13:13 +0200, "Dorado Martínez, Francisco Javier" wrote: > Hi to everyone > > I want to begin writing some code for Orca. > I intent to create a showTimeAndDate script that will say and braille the > current time and date. > I have a question: > Where should I put this script? I think into orca.py or perhaps util.py > > Please Any help > > Thanks > > Javier > > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From William.Walker@Sun.COM Wed Apr 5 08:17:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C2903B2B6A for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 08:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27697-06 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 08:17:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12A093B0EFC for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 08:17:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-06.sun.com ([192.18.108.180]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k35CGxSa005506 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 06:16:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IX900J010Q20700@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 06:16:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IX900JJZ0SAQ442@mail-amer.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 06:16:59 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 08:16:55 -0400 From: Willie Walker Subject: Re: Start to scripting Orca In-reply-to: <1144238460.30115.8.camel@localhost> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: <1144239415.30115.11.camel@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT References: <178EEBC4C5E55548A84E8B18F52AF80010D1F5CC@omailcl.once.org> <1144238460.30115.8.camel@localhost> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.579 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.019, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.579 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 12:17:03 -0000 PS - Questions like these are always welcome! They help determine things that people want to do, and we can use them as fodder for the FAQ. I just added this example to the FAQ on the WIKI: http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions Thanks! Will On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 08:00 -0400, Willie Walker wrote: > Hi Javier: > > Rather than providing custom global keystrokes for Orca, such as a > keystroke to speak/braille the time, scripts are generally intended to > provide specific output behavior for an application. Scripts can, of > course, also provide custom keystrokes to control Orca and to interact > with the application, but we generally want to rely upon the built-in > keyboard navigation of the desktop and applications. > > As such, if you want to begin writing scripts, the better thing to would > be to pick an application you really want better access to and start > writing a script for that. But, if you really want a global keystroke > for telling the time, then you can add something like the following to > your ~/.orca/user-settings.py. This particular example sets up Insert+t > to say "Hello World." > > # Set up custom keybindings. > # > import orca.braille > import orca.input_event > import orca.keybindings > import orca.orca > import orca.speech > > from orca.orca_i18n import _ > > def sayHello(script, inputEvent=None): > > message = _("Hello World") > > # Say/braille something. > # > orca.speech.speak(message) > orca.braille.displayMessage(message) > > # Consume the event so it will not go to an application. > # > return True > > sayHelloHandler = orca.input_event.InputEventHandler( > sayHello, > _("Says hello to this fine world.")) > > myKeyBindings = orca.keybindings.KeyBindings() > myKeyBindings.add(orca.keybindings.KeyBinding( > "t", > 1 << orca.orca.MODIFIER_ORCA, > 1 << orca.orca.MODIFIER_ORCA, > sayHelloHandler)) > > keyBindingsMap = {} > keyBindingsMap["default"] = myKeyBindings > > Hope this helps, > > Will > > On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 13:13 +0200, "Dorado Martínez, Francisco Javier" > wrote: > > Hi to everyone > > > > I want to begin writing some code for Orca. > > I intent to create a showTimeAndDate script that will say and braille the > > current time and date. > > I have a question: > > Where should I put this script? I think into orca.py or perhaps util.py > > > > Please Any help > > > > Thanks > > > > Javier > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Orca-list mailing list > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From wvdwalt@csir.co.za Wed Apr 5 09:09:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0588A3B2BD8 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 09:09:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31363-09 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 09:09:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from apollo.csir.co.za (apollo.csir.co.za [146.64.10.99]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2C193B2BDA for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 09:09:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([146.64.19.125]) by apollo.csir.co.za (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k35D967X012255 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 15:09:06 +0200 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k35D7auM017995 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 15:07:36 +0200 Received: from localhost (wvdwalt@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id k35D7aa0017988 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 15:07:36 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: wvdwalt owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2006 15:07:36 +0200 (SAST) From: Willem van der Walt X-X-Sender: wvdwalt@localhost.localdomain To: Orca screen reader developers Subject: Re: Start to scripting Orca In-Reply-To: <1144239415.30115.11.camel@localhost> Message-ID: References: <178EEBC4C5E55548A84E8B18F52AF80010D1F5CC@omailcl.once.org> <1144238460.30115.8.camel@localhost> <1144239415.30115.11.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-CSIR-MailScanner-Information: Please contact sys-admin at csir dot co dot za for more information X-CSIR-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: wvdwalt@csir.co.za X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.495 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.104, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.495 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 13:09:33 -0000 I have gone through the presentation you have made at Csun regarding scripting and found it quite informative. I have just now tried to use planner, a project management tool. It sounds like it should be usable with some scripting. The problem is that I am new to gnome and orca of course. What is happening is that the thing says "toggel button pressed" or not pressed when arrowing up and down. Above the line, a description occurs according to the 7 key on the numpad. As I understand it, one can now write a script to automaticly speak the description together with the status of the button. Is this correct and is there an example script which might already handle this situation? Can one copy an existing script to the name of a new application to have orca call it when the new application is opened? IE. can one copy xyz.py to planner.py, put it in the correct place and try it? TIA, Willem ps. Where does user questions for orca go? -- This message is subject to the CSIR's copyright, terms and conditions and e-mail legal notice. 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From William.Walker@Sun.COM Wed Apr 5 09:14:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EC193B0EA3 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 09:14:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31569-08 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 09:14:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 862F33B09C8 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 09:14:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-05.sun.com ([192.18.108.179]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k35DEWJK014878 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 07:14:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IX900H012WMIP00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 07:14:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IX900L123G7FHD4@mail-amer.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 07:14:31 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 09:14:29 -0400 From: Willie Walker Subject: Re: tarting orca In-reply-to: <004c01c65862$617e3c20$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: <1144242869.30115.17.camel@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <0IX500MNCYYXZJ@mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> <004c01c65862$617e3c20$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.541 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.020, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_GT=0.077, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.541 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 13:14:35 -0000 Hi Cody: This looks like it might be related to a GTK+ crasher: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326362 The main culprit that makes it happen seems to be the run dialog. If you can avoid doing that until the crasher is fixed by the gtk folks, then things might go better for you. Hope this helps, Will On Tue, 2006-04-04 at 20:38 -0700, C-DOG wrote: > actually I can get through the setup, if I type orca in the terminal > then it will say welcome to orca. this does not happen in the run > dialogue in the gui of gnome it just crashes the pannel.cody > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike Pedersen > To: 'Orca screen reader developers' > Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 1:44 PM > Subject: RE: tarting orca > > > > Hello Cody, > I have opened a terminal and typed > > orca-setup > > I get a prompt asking me which voice I want. I can't > quite understand the 2 options, so I select one, then > i am asked for speak echo charactors, I say Y for yes, > after this I get no speech, what is going wrong? I > have managed to get this far. I still can't get out of > a terminal window, is there another type of setup I > need to do? > > After you finish orca-setup you will not have speech > until you type orca. What happens if you type orca in > the terminal prompt? > Mike > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM Wed Apr 5 10:14:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4B3A3B2C39 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 10:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03123-06 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 10:14:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4140F3B2C35 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 10:14:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-01.sun.com ([192.18.108.175]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k35EENJK028115 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 08:14:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IX900A015SF5500@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 08:14:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [129.146.91.14] by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IX900MYZ67Y3R20@mail-amer.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 08:14:23 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 07:13:03 -0700 From: Rich Burridge Subject: Re: Orca and the volume control in FC5? In-reply-to: <1144151667.8173.17.camel@localhost> Sender: Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-id: <4433D06F.8040909@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <001601c654e1$beb16770$6901a8c0@thinkpad> <7.0.0.16.0.20060401102019.01d6b520@carolina.rr.com> <44313905.5020509@sun.com> <4431BEB2.4050002@sun.com> <4431D0BD.2030406@sun.com> <4431D957.40903@sun.com> <1144151667.8173.17.camel@localhost> User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060327) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.596 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.002, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.596 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 14:14:25 -0000 I think I might now have seen the volume control problem that Al and Ricky reported. I did the following with the mouse. I'm not sure what the equivalent keyboard sequence to cause the same result. I had the volume control slider visible on the screen. Accidentally leaving it visible, I gave focus to a gnome-terminal window. Orca spewed out loads of the following messages: ... BRAILLE LINE: 'gnome-panel Application Bottom Expanded Edge Panel Frame Bottom Expanded Edge Panel Panel Volume: 56% EmbeddedComponent Window 56 Slider' VISIBLE: '56 Slider', cursor=1 SPEECH OUTPUT: '56' BRAILLE LINE: 'gnome-panel Application Bottom Expanded Edge Panel Frame Bottom Expanded Edge Panel Panel Volume: 56% EmbeddedComponent Window 56 Slider' VISIBLE: '56 Slider', cursor=1 SPEECH OUTPUT: '56' BRAILLE LINE: 'gnome-panel Application Bottom Expanded Edge Panel Frame Bottom Expanded Edge Panel Panel Volume: 56% EmbeddedComponent Window 56 Slider' VISIBLE: '56 Slider', cursor=1 SPEECH OUTPUT: '56' BRAILLE LINE: 'gnome-panel Application Bottom Expanded Edge Panel Frame Bottom Expanded Edge Panel Panel Volume: 56% EmbeddedComponent Window 56 Slider' VISIBLE: '56 Slider', cursor=1 SPEECH OUTPUT: '56' ... There's something bogus going on there. I've opened bug #337371 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=337371 to track it. From Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM Wed Apr 5 11:28:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D0053B0EEB for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 11:28:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08119-06 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 11:28:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C30B3B08C8 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 11:28:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-04.sun.com ([192.18.108.178]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k35FShFu008305 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 09:28:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IX9004019FWXI00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 09:28:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [129.146.91.14] by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IX9001KL9NTA030@mail-amer.sun.com>; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 09:28:42 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 08:27:23 -0700 From: Rich Burridge Subject: Re: Start to scripting Orca In-reply-to: Sender: Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM To: Orca screen reader developers , wvdwalt@csir.co.za Message-id: <4433E1DB.5080003@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_rtOVl/cG7pEb2kBcruDRww)" References: <178EEBC4C5E55548A84E8B18F52AF80010D1F5CC@omailcl.once.org> <1144238460.30115.8.camel@localhost> <1144239415.30115.11.camel@localhost> User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060327) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.596 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.002, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.596 X-Spam-Level: Cc: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 15:28:55 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_rtOVl/cG7pEb2kBcruDRww) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Willem van der Walt wrote: > I have just now tried to use planner, a project management tool. It > sounds like it should be usable with some scripting. Yes. > The problem is that I am new to gnome and orca of course. What is > happening is that the thing says "toggel button pressed" or not > pressed when arrowing up and down. I see/hear this too. Visually there is a column of toggle buttons with graphical images down the left side of the main planner window. They have text below them: Gantt Chart Tasks Resources Resource Usage Unfortunately that text is not currently available to Orca to read. Now if I look at the component hierarchy with at-poke, I can see that that panel on the left is filled with a load of fillers each containing a toggle button and a label. This will be enough to allow us to get to the text describing each toggle button. > Above the line, a description occurs according to the 7 key on the > numpad. As I understand it, one can now write a script to > automaticly speak the description together with the status of the button. Unfortunately it's not going to be as simple as that. The person(s) that wrote planner should have used a LABEL_FOR relationship to associated the label with the toggle button. I've filed bug #337382 (http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=337382) against planner on this. Having said that, we can easily workaround this with an Orca script for planner. > Is this correct and is there an example script which might already > handle this situation? Not exactly, but there are one that would make a good starting point. Evolution has similar code in it. For something like this, I would start with that. More on this below. > Can one copy an existing script to the name of a new application to > have orca call it when the new application is opened? Yes. To do a proper job (i.e. so that others can take advantage of this work), one would need to create a new script in the .../orca/src/orca/scripts directory called planner.py It could start off as a copy of one of the other scripts in that directory. You would also need to modify the Makefile.am file in that directory, to make sure that the new script name was added to the orca_python_PYTHON definition. This means that it would automatically get installed in a location where Python can find it. So here's what needs to be done to get this to work. I'll create an initial planner.py script with the following in it. class Script(default.Script): def __init__(self, app): default.Script.__init__(self, app) Note that the real planner.py will have a load of extra things in it like the initial copyright message, plus comments, debug messages and import lines, but in order to try to keep it simple, I'll leave that out here. Now what we are interested in is when the focus is on one of those four toggle buttons. To do this from within the planner.py script, we need to subclass the onFocus() method. When that method is called, we check the hierarchy of the component that currently has focus to see if it matches what we want. To find out what we want, I would have previously run Planner with Orca and hit Insert-F7 when the focus was at one of the toggle buttons in Planner. Doing that I determined that the component hierarchy I needed to be looking for is: toggle button filler filler panel panel filler filler frame application I only need to use enough of these to make it unique. Also, if it's a focus event for planner but it isn't this kind, then we just want to pass it off to the parent class. This gives the following code: def onFocus(self, event): rolesList = [rolenames.ROLE_TOGGLE_BUTTON, \ rolenames.ROLE_FILLER, \ rolenames.ROLE_FILLER, \ rolenames.ROLE_PANEL, \ rolenames.ROLE_PANEL] if util.isDesiredFocusedItem(event.source, rolesList): ... handle this focus event ... return default.Script.onFocus(self, event) Now we need to fill in the ".. handle this focus event ..." part. What we want to do is use the filler component that is the parent of the toggle button that current has focus. It's other child will be the label that describes this toggle button. We want to get a handle to that, extract the label and speak it. Here's the code that does that: filler = event.source.parent allLabels = atspi.findByRole(filler, rolenames.ROLE_LABEL) speech.speak(allLabels[0].name) return We just use allLabels[0] because we know that there is only going to be one label found. I've checked in the full version of this script in CVS HEAD for Orca. I've also attached it to this message. If you place this in the installed location for your Orca scripts, then it should work for you. Or just check out the very latest version of Orca from CVS HEAD and configure, build and install it. As you navigate Planner with Orca, I expect you to find other places where it's not providing enough information. Hopefully we'll be able to file bugs against Planner so that they properly fix up these problems. We should also hopefully be able to provide script workarounds to improve the usability as well. > ps. Where does user questions for orca go? This is a great place to ask questions like this. The mailing list is archived. We can now point people back to this email. --Boundary_(ID_rtOVl/cG7pEb2kBcruDRww) Content-type: text/x-python; name=planner.py Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline; filename=planner.py # Orca # # Copyright 2005 Sun Microsystems Inc. # # This library is free software; you can redistribute it and/or # modify it under the terms of the GNU Library General Public # License as published by the Free Software Foundation; either # version 2 of the License, or (at your option) any later version. # # This library is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, # but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of # MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU # Library General Public License for more details. # # You should have received a copy of the GNU Library General Public # License along with this library; if not, write to the # Free Software Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, # Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA. import orca.debug as debug import orca.default as default import orca.atspi as atspi import orca.rolenames as rolenames import orca.orca as orca import orca.braille as braille import orca.speech as speech import orca.settings as settings import orca.util as util from orca.orca_i18n import _ # for gettext support ######################################################################## # # # The planner script class. # # # ######################################################################## class Script(default.Script): def __init__(self, app): """Creates a new script for the given application. Arguments: - app: the application to create a script for. """ default.Script.__init__(self, app) def walkComponentHierarchy(self, obj): """Debug routine to print out the hierarchy of components for the given object. Arguments: - obj: the component to start from """ print "<<<<---- Component Hierachy ---->>>>" print "START: Obj:", obj.name, obj.role parent = obj while parent: if parent != obj: if not parent.parent: print "TOP: Parent:", parent.name, parent.role else: print "Parent:", parent.name, parent.role parent = parent.parent print "<<<<============================>>>>" # This method tries to detect and handle the following cases: # 1) Main window: one of the four graphic toggle buttons. def onFocus(self, event): """Called whenever an object gets focus. Arguments: - event: the Event """ brailleGen = self.brailleGenerator speechGen = self.speechGenerator debug.printObjectEvent(debug.LEVEL_FINEST, event, event.source.toString()) # self.walkComponentHierarchy(event.source) # 1) Main window: one of the four graphic toggle buttons. # # If the focus is on one of the four graphic toggle buttons on # the left side of the main window, then get the label associated # with it, and speak it. rolesList = [rolenames.ROLE_TOGGLE_BUTTON, \ rolenames.ROLE_FILLER, \ rolenames.ROLE_FILLER, \ rolenames.ROLE_PANEL, \ rolenames.ROLE_PANEL] if util.isDesiredFocusedItem(event.source, rolesList): debug.println(debug.LEVEL_FINEST, "planner.onFocus - main window: " \ + "one of the four graphic toggle buttons.") filler = event.source.parent allLabels = atspi.findByRole(filler, rolenames.ROLE_LABEL) speech.speak(allLabels[0].name) return # For everything else, pass the focus event onto the parent class # to be handled in the default way. default.Script.onFocus(self, event) --Boundary_(ID_rtOVl/cG7pEb2kBcruDRww)-- From churst31@verizon.net Wed Apr 5 15:14:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1ADE3B1224 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 15:14:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21419-09 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 15:14:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF6233B106D for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 15:14:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 4jdbtg639263d6 ([72.78.119.34]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IX90004TK1JXSJ9@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 14:12:56 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 12:12:56 -0700 From: "C-DOG" Subject: Re: tarting orca To: "Orca screen reader developers" Message-id: <009801c658e4$f2f2e430$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <0IX500MNCYYXZJ@mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> <004c01c65862$617e3c20$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> <1144242869.30115.17.camel@localhost> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.667 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.052, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -0.667 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 19:14:26 -0000 hi will, but what is a way to avoid this? I mean, running orca from the terminal probably wont' do the same thing will it? I have tried starting orca from the gnome terminal and minimising the terminal, and using it but get no speech. cody ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willie Walker" To: "Orca screen reader developers" Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 6:14 AM Subject: Re: tarting orca > Hi Cody: > > This looks like it might be related to a GTK+ crasher: > > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326362 > > The main culprit that makes it happen seems to be the run dialog. If > you can avoid doing that until the crasher is fixed by the gtk folks, > then things might go better for you. > > Hope this helps, > > Will > > On Tue, 2006-04-04 at 20:38 -0700, C-DOG wrote: >> actually I can get through the setup, if I type orca in the terminal >> then it will say welcome to orca. this does not happen in the run >> dialogue in the gui of gnome it just crashes the pannel.cody >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Mike Pedersen >> To: 'Orca screen reader developers' >> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 1:44 PM >> Subject: RE: tarting orca >> >> >> >> Hello Cody, >> I have opened a terminal and typed >> >> orca-setup >> >> I get a prompt asking me which voice I want. I can't >> quite understand the 2 options, so I select one, then >> i am asked for speak echo charactors, I say Y for yes, >> after this I get no speech, what is going wrong? I >> have managed to get this far. I still can't get out of >> a terminal window, is there another type of setup I >> need to do? >> >> After you finish orca-setup you will not have speech >> until you type orca. What happens if you type orca in >> the terminal prompt? >> Mike >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Orca-list mailing list >> Orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> _______________________________________________ >> Orca-list mailing list >> Orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From William.Walker@Sun.COM Wed Apr 5 16:09:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 830383B027B for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:09:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24655-04 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:09:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8633B3B0922 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 16:09:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-03.sun.com ([192.18.108.177]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k35K9oFu025057 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 14:09:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IX900201M8WNB00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 14:09:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IX9001MKMOD4KB4@mail-amer.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 14:09:49 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 16:09:48 -0400 From: Willie Walker Subject: Re: tarting orca In-reply-to: <009801c658e4$f2f2e430$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: <1144267789.11676.23.camel@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_pl2qpEx0gadYEWNSzqf3xQ)" References: <0IX500MNCYYXZJ@mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> <004c01c65862$617e3c20$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> <1144242869.30115.17.camel@localhost> <009801c658e4$f2f2e430$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.54 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.019, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_GT=0.077, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.54 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 20:09:55 -0000 --Boundary_(ID_pl2qpEx0gadYEWNSzqf3xQ) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi Cody: There could be several problems happening here. If speech isn't working, you might need to debug that first. Here's a fast pass I made on the WIKI for debugging speech (please let me know of changes you think would be helpful to make it clearer - I wrote it at night when I was kind of tired): http://live.gnome.org/Orca/GnomeSpeech If the goal is to start Orca when you log in, however, you have a couple of options. One is to tell your Linux distribution to not bring the graphical login up when it boots. The method for doing this unfortunately varies by distribution. With this option, you can add orca to your ~/.xinitrc file and then start the graphical desktop using xinit. Another option is to bring up the System->Preferences->Sessions application (also known as gnome-session-properties from the command line) and add orca as a startup program. In either case, you might actually want to point to a script that starts orca - that way you can do some pre-run cleanup of stuff if needed (e.g., kill synthesis drivers that might be hung and such). Attached is a script that does some of this pre-run cleanup. I'm not really advocating its use too widely, though, because Orca should not rely upon this kind of thing for proper behavior. Instead, it should be able to gracefully recover from bad things as much as possible or at least give you an informative message about what's causing it pain. But, it should at least be able to help you get going. Will On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 12:12 -0700, C-DOG wrote: > hi will, > but what is a way to avoid this? I mean, running orca from the terminal > probably wont' do the same thing will it? I have tried starting orca from > the gnome terminal and minimising the terminal, and using it but get no > speech. > > cody > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Willie Walker" > To: "Orca screen reader developers" > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 6:14 AM > Subject: Re: tarting orca > > > > Hi Cody: > > > > This looks like it might be related to a GTK+ crasher: > > > > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326362 > > > > The main culprit that makes it happen seems to be the run dialog. If > > you can avoid doing that until the crasher is fixed by the gtk folks, > > then things might go better for you. > > > > Hope this helps, > > > > Will > > > > On Tue, 2006-04-04 at 20:38 -0700, C-DOG wrote: > >> actually I can get through the setup, if I type orca in the terminal > >> then it will say welcome to orca. this does not happen in the run > >> dialogue in the gui of gnome it just crashes the pannel.cody > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Mike Pedersen > >> To: 'Orca screen reader developers' > >> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 1:44 PM > >> Subject: RE: tarting orca > >> > >> > >> > >> Hello Cody, > >> I have opened a terminal and typed > >> > >> orca-setup > >> > >> I get a prompt asking me which voice I want. I can't > >> quite understand the 2 options, so I select one, then > >> i am asked for speak echo charactors, I say Y for yes, > >> after this I get no speech, what is going wrong? I > >> have managed to get this far. I still can't get out of > >> a terminal window, is there another type of setup I > >> need to do? > >> > >> After you finish orca-setup you will not have speech > >> until you type orca. What happens if you type orca in > >> the terminal prompt? > >> Mike > >> > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Orca-list mailing list > >> Orca-list@gnome.org > >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Orca-list mailing list > >> Orca-list@gnome.org > >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Orca-list mailing list > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list --Boundary_(ID_pl2qpEx0gadYEWNSzqf3xQ) Content-type: application/x-shellscript; name=start-orca Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: attachment; filename=start-orca #!/bin/bash # Orca # # Copyright 2006 Sun Microsystems Inc. # # This library is free software; you can redistribute it and/or # modify it under the terms of the GNU Library General Public # License as published by the Free Software Foundation; either # version 2 of the License, or (at your option) any later version. # # This library is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, # but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of # MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU # Library General Public License for more details. # # You should have received a copy of the GNU Library General Public # License along with this library; if not, write to the # Free Software Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, # Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA. # Kill any existing Orca and gnome-speech synthesis processes running # before we start a new version of Orca. # First, find the user's id - we'll restrict our killing to this user only. # userid=`/usr/xpg4/bin/id -u` # Next, find all the pids that we care about and kill them. # pids=`ps -efo pid,uid,args | grep $userid | egrep "orca|synthesis-driver" | grep -v grep | grep -v start-orca | awk -e '{ print $1 }'` if test "x$pids" != "x" then kill -9 $pids fi # Finally, start Orca # orca --Boundary_(ID_pl2qpEx0gadYEWNSzqf3xQ)-- From churst31@verizon.net Wed Apr 5 20:10:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06F0F3B11A9 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 20:10:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03667-05 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 20:10:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0229C3B07E3 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2006 20:10:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 4jdbtg639263d6 ([72.78.60.39]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IX900648XSN88NB@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 05 Apr 2006 19:10:00 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2006 17:10:00 -0700 From: "C-DOG" Subject: Re: tarting orca To: "Orca screen reader developers" Message-id: <00ca01c6590e$728bb310$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <0IX500MNCYYXZJ@mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> <004c01c65862$617e3c20$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> <1144242869.30115.17.camel@localhost> <009801c658e4$f2f2e430$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> <1144267789.11676.23.camel@localhost> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.72 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.105, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -0.72 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 00:10:05 -0000 hi willie! I got speech working, its amazing. a lot better then crappy old gnopernicus, more responsive, and itsworks with evolution mazingly. I do have one question... how can I navigate in a IM window in gaim?? thanks a million c ody ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willie Walker" To: "Orca screen reader developers" Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:09 PM Subject: Re: tarting orca > Hi Cody: > > There could be several problems happening here. If speech isn't > working, you might need to debug that first. Here's a fast pass I made > on the WIKI for debugging speech (please let me know of changes you > think would be helpful to make it clearer - I wrote it at night when I > was kind of tired): > > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/GnomeSpeech > > If the goal is to start Orca when you log in, however, you have a couple > of options. One is to tell your Linux distribution to not bring the > graphical login up when it boots. The method for doing this > unfortunately varies by distribution. With this option, you can add > orca to your ~/.xinitrc file and then start the graphical desktop using > xinit. > > Another option is to bring up the System->Preferences->Sessions > application (also known as gnome-session-properties from the command > line) and add orca as a startup program. > > In either case, you might actually want to point to a script that starts > orca - that way you can do some pre-run cleanup of stuff if needed > (e.g., kill synthesis drivers that might be hung and such). Attached > is a script that does some of this pre-run cleanup. I'm not really > advocating its use too widely, though, because Orca should not rely upon > this kind of thing for proper behavior. Instead, it should be able to > gracefully recover from bad things as much as possible or at least give > you an informative message about what's causing it pain. But, it should > at least be able to help you get going. > > Will > > On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 12:12 -0700, C-DOG wrote: >> hi will, >> but what is a way to avoid this? I mean, running orca from the terminal >> probably wont' do the same thing will it? I have tried starting orca from >> the gnome terminal and minimising the terminal, and using it but get no >> speech. >> >> cody >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Willie Walker" >> To: "Orca screen reader developers" >> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 6:14 AM >> Subject: Re: tarting orca >> >> >> > Hi Cody: >> > >> > This looks like it might be related to a GTK+ crasher: >> > >> > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326362 >> > >> > The main culprit that makes it happen seems to be the run dialog. If >> > you can avoid doing that until the crasher is fixed by the gtk folks, >> > then things might go better for you. >> > >> > Hope this helps, >> > >> > Will >> > >> > On Tue, 2006-04-04 at 20:38 -0700, C-DOG wrote: >> >> actually I can get through the setup, if I type orca in the terminal >> >> then it will say welcome to orca. this does not happen in the run >> >> dialogue in the gui of gnome it just crashes the pannel.cody >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: Mike Pedersen >> >> To: 'Orca screen reader developers' >> >> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 1:44 PM >> >> Subject: RE: tarting orca >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Hello Cody, >> >> I have opened a terminal and typed >> >> >> >> orca-setup >> >> >> >> I get a prompt asking me which voice I want. I can't >> >> quite understand the 2 options, so I select one, then >> >> i am asked for speak echo charactors, I say Y for yes, >> >> after this I get no speech, what is going wrong? I >> >> have managed to get this far. I still can't get out of >> >> a terminal window, is there another type of setup I >> >> need to do? >> >> >> >> After you finish orca-setup you will not have speech >> >> until you type orca. What happens if you type orca in >> >> the terminal prompt? >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Orca-list mailing list >> >> Orca-list@gnome.org >> >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Orca-list mailing list >> >> Orca-list@gnome.org >> >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Orca-list mailing list >> > Orca-list@gnome.org >> > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Orca-list mailing list >> Orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > From FDMA@once.es Thu Apr 6 07:01:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00FC83B2E8A for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 07:01:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01547-08 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 07:01:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx.once.es (mx.once.es [217.149.152.66]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B30EC3B1583 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 07:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omail01.once.org (unknown [172.24.1.51]) by mx.once.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95F7035E2 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 13:01:52 +0200 (MEST) Received: by OMAIL01.once.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 13:01:27 +0200 Message-ID: <178EEBC4C5E55548A84E8B18F52AF80010E0656A@omailcl.once.org> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Dorado_Mart=EDnez=2C_Francisco_Javier=22?= To: Orca screen reader developers Subject: RE: Start to scripting Orca Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 13:01:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.506 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.093, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.506 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 11:01:33 -0000 Hi to all=20 I am going to help with planner and learn some scripting quote a piece = of code: =20 filler =3D event.source.parent allLabels =3D atspi.findByRole(filler, = rolenames.ROLE_LABEL) speech.speak(allLabels[0].name) default.onFocus(event, event.source) #We need to do default after label spoken too is this correct? Then else also do the default.=20 return Then before or after speak label, would be good to braille it. I don't = know exactly how to manage the brailleGenerator. I think firstly we need to get the regions for the current object? CurrentRegion =3D brailleGen.getBrailleRegions(event.source) and then = add the label to the currentRegion?=20 Any help Regards, Javier -----Mensaje original----- De: Rich Burridge [mailto:Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM]=20 Enviado el: mi=E9rcoles, 05 de abril de 2006 17:27 Para: Orca screen reader developers; wvdwalt@csir.co.za Asunto: Re: Start to scripting Orca Willem van der Walt wrote: > I have just now tried to use planner, a project management tool. It > sounds like it should be usable with some scripting. Yes. > The problem is that I am new to gnome and orca of course. What is > happening is that the thing says "toggel button pressed" or not=20 > pressed when arrowing up and down. =20 I see/hear this too. Visually there is a column of toggle buttons with graphical images down the left side of the main planner window. They = have text below them: Gantt Chart Tasks Resources Resource Usage Unfortunately that text is not currently available to Orca to read. Now if I look at the component hierarchy with at-poke, I can see that = that panel on the left is filled with a load of fillers each containing a = toggle button and a label. This will be enough to allow us to get to the text describing each toggle button. > Above the line, a description occurs according to the 7 key on the > numpad. As I understand it, one can now write a script to=20 > automaticly speak the description together with the status of the = button. Unfortunately it's not going to be as simple as that. The person(s) = that wrote planner should have used a LABEL_FOR relationship to associated = the label with the toggle button. I've filed bug #337382 (http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D337382) against planner on = this. Having said that, we can easily workaround this with an Orca script for planner. > Is this correct and is there an example script which might already > handle this situation? Not exactly, but there are one that would make a good starting point.=20 Evolution has similar code in it. For something like this, I would start with=20 that. More on this below. > Can one copy an existing script to the name of a new application to > have orca call it when the new application is opened? Yes. To do a proper job (i.e. so that others can take advantage of this = work), one would need to create a new script in the .../orca/src/orca/scripts=20 directory called planner.py It could start off as a copy of one of the other=20 scripts in that directory. You would also need to modify the Makefile.am file in = that directory, to make sure that the new script name was added to the orca_python_PYTHON definition. This means that it would automatically = get installed in a location where Python can find it. So here's what needs to be done to get this to work. I'll create an = initial planner.py script with the following in it. class Script(default.Script): def __init__(self, app): default.Script.__init__(self, app) Note that the real planner.py will have a load of extra things in it = like the initial copyright message, plus comments, debug messages and import lines, but in order to try to keep it simple, I'll leave that=20 out here. Now what we are interested in is when the focus is on one of those four toggle buttons. To do this from within the planner.py script, we need = to=20 subclass the onFocus() method. When that method is called, we check the = hierarchy of the component that currently has focus to see if it matches what we = want. To find out what we want, I would have previously run Planner with Orca = and hit Insert-F7 when the focus was at one of the toggle buttons in=20 Planner. Doing that I determined that the component hierarchy I needed to be looking=20 for is: toggle button filler filler panel panel filler filler frame application I only need to use enough of these to make it unique. Also, if it's a focus event for planner but it isn't this kind, then we = just want to pass it off to the parent class. This gives the following code: def onFocus(self, event): rolesList =3D [rolenames.ROLE_TOGGLE_BUTTON, \ rolenames.ROLE_FILLER, \ rolenames.ROLE_FILLER, \ rolenames.ROLE_PANEL, \ rolenames.ROLE_PANEL] if util.isDesiredFocusedItem(event.source, rolesList): ... handle this focus event ... return default.Script.onFocus(self, event) Now we need to fill in the ".. handle this focus event ..." part. What we want to do is use the filler component that is the parent of = the toggle button that current has focus. It's other child will be the = label that describes this toggle button. We want to get a handle to that, = extract the label and speak it. Here's the code that does that: filler =3D event.source.parent allLabels =3D atspi.findByRole(filler, = rolenames.ROLE_LABEL) speech.speak(allLabels[0].name) return We just use allLabels[0] because we know that there is only going to be = one label found. I've checked in the full version of this script in CVS HEAD for Orca. = I've also attached it to this message. If you place this in the installed location for your Orca scripts, then it should work for you. Or just = check out the very latest version of Orca from CVS HEAD and configure, build = and install it. As you navigate Planner with Orca, I expect you to find other places = where it's not providing enough information. Hopefully we'll be able to file = bugs against Planner so that they properly fix up these problems. We should = also hopefully be able to provide script workarounds to improve the = usability as well. > ps. Where does user questions for orca go? This is a great place to ask questions like this. The mailing list is=20 archived. We can now point people back to this email. From William.Walker@Sun.COM Thu Apr 6 07:15:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 334773B2EAB for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 07:15:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02382-07 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 07:15:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com (brmea-mail-1.Sun.COM [192.18.98.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42B013B15E4 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 07:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-05.sun.com ([192.18.108.179]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k36BFFGp006177 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 05:15:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IXA00301SBIMN00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 05:15:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.104] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IXA00DUPSLDOZC4@mail-amer.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 05:15:15 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 07:15:11 -0400 From: Willie Walker Subject: Re: tarting orca In-reply-to: <00ca01c6590e$728bb310$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: <7E2267B5-2198-42A9-B6CB-01E9F2730C88@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 References: <0IX500MNCYYXZJ@mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> <004c01c65862$617e3c20$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> <1144242869.30115.17.camel@localhost> <009801c658e4$f2f2e430$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> <1144267789.11676.23.camel@localhost> <00ca01c6590e$728bb310$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.54 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.019, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_GT=0.077, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.54 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 11:15:26 -0000 Cody: Glad to hear you got speech working. I'm not sure I'd feel comfortable with someone calling Gnopernicus crappy and old (I've met the team and they are a good bunch of folks), but I'm glad you finally had some good success with Orca! Can you share your experiences with what was going wrong? Was it a hung speech driver that you needed to kill, or was there something else you needed to do? Will On Apr 5, 2006, at 8:10 PM, C-DOG wrote: > hi willie! > I got speech working, its amazing. a lot better then crappy old > gnopernicus, more responsive, and itsworks with evolution mazingly. > I do have one question... > how can I navigate in a IM window in gaim?? thanks a million > c > ody > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willie Walker" > > To: "Orca screen reader developers" > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:09 PM > Subject: Re: tarting orca > > >> Hi Cody: >> >> There could be several problems happening here. If speech isn't >> working, you might need to debug that first. Here's a fast pass I >> made >> on the WIKI for debugging speech (please let me know of changes you >> think would be helpful to make it clearer - I wrote it at night >> when I >> was kind of tired): >> >> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/GnomeSpeech >> >> If the goal is to start Orca when you log in, however, you have a >> couple >> of options. One is to tell your Linux distribution to not bring the >> graphical login up when it boots. The method for doing this >> unfortunately varies by distribution. With this option, you can add >> orca to your ~/.xinitrc file and then start the graphical desktop >> using >> xinit. >> >> Another option is to bring up the System->Preferences->Sessions >> application (also known as gnome-session-properties from the command >> line) and add orca as a startup program. >> >> In either case, you might actually want to point to a script that >> starts >> orca - that way you can do some pre-run cleanup of stuff if needed >> (e.g., kill synthesis drivers that might be hung and such). >> Attached >> is a script that does some of this pre-run cleanup. I'm not really >> advocating its use too widely, though, because Orca should not >> rely upon >> this kind of thing for proper behavior. Instead, it should be >> able to >> gracefully recover from bad things as much as possible or at least >> give >> you an informative message about what's causing it pain. But, it >> should >> at least be able to help you get going. >> >> Will >> >> On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 12:12 -0700, C-DOG wrote: >>> hi will, >>> but what is a way to avoid this? I mean, running orca from the >>> terminal >>> probably wont' do the same thing will it? I have tried starting >>> orca from >>> the gnome terminal and minimising the terminal, and using it but >>> get no >>> speech. >>> >>> cody >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willie Walker" >>> >>> To: "Orca screen reader developers" >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 6:14 AM >>> Subject: Re: tarting orca >>> >>> >>> > Hi Cody: >>> > >>> > This looks like it might be related to a GTK+ crasher: >>> > >>> > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326362 >>> > >>> > The main culprit that makes it happen seems to be the run >>> dialog. If >>> > you can avoid doing that until the crasher is fixed by the gtk >>> folks, >>> > then things might go better for you. >>> > >>> > Hope this helps, >>> > >>> > Will >>> > >>> > On Tue, 2006-04-04 at 20:38 -0700, C-DOG wrote: >>> >> actually I can get through the setup, if I type orca in the >>> terminal >>> >> then it will say welcome to orca. this does not happen in the run >>> >> dialogue in the gui of gnome it just crashes the pannel.cody >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Mike >>> Pedersen >>> >> To: 'Orca screen reader developers' >>> >> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 1:44 PM >>> >> Subject: RE: tarting orca >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Hello Cody, >>> >> I have opened a terminal and typed >>> >> >>> >> orca-setup >>> >> >>> >> I get a prompt asking me which voice I want. I >>> can't >>> >> quite understand the 2 options, so I select >>> one, then >>> >> i am asked for speak echo charactors, I say Y >>> for yes, >>> >> after this I get no speech, what is going >>> wrong? I >>> >> have managed to get this far. I still can't >>> get out of >>> >> a terminal window, is there another type of >>> setup I >>> >> need to do? >>> >> >>> >> After you finish orca-setup you will not have >>> speech >>> >> until you type orca. What happens if you type >>> orca in >>> >> the terminal prompt? >>> >> Mike >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> Orca-list mailing list >>> >> Orca-list@gnome.org >>> >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> Orca-list mailing list >>> >> Orca-list@gnome.org >>> >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Orca-list mailing list >>> > Orca-list@gnome.org >>> > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Orca-list mailing list >>> Orca-list@gnome.org >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > > >> _______________________________________________ >> Orca-list mailing list >> Orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From wvdwalt@csir.co.za Thu Apr 6 07:19:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3529F3B0CBE for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 07:19:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03027-01 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 07:19:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from apollo.csir.co.za (apollo.csir.co.za [146.64.10.99]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F9343B0B03 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 07:19:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([146.64.19.125]) by apollo.csir.co.za (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k36BJFPa017538; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 13:19:15 +0200 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k36BHiAV013528; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 13:17:44 +0200 Received: from localhost (wvdwalt@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id k36BHisC013511; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 13:17:44 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: wvdwalt owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 13:17:44 +0200 (SAST) From: Willem van der Walt X-X-Sender: wvdwalt@localhost.localdomain To: Rich Burridge Subject: Re: Start to scripting Orca In-Reply-To: <4433E1DB.5080003@sun.com> Message-ID: References: <178EEBC4C5E55548A84E8B18F52AF80010D1F5CC@omailcl.once.org> <1144238460.30115.8.camel@localhost> <1144239415.30115.11.camel@localhost> <4433E1DB.5080003@sun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-CSIR-MailScanner-Information: Please contact sys-admin at csir dot co dot za for more information X-CSIR-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: wvdwalt@csir.co.za X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.508 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.091, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.508 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Orca screen reader developers X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 11:19:53 -0000 Hi, Thanks for the detailed answer and the script. I grabbed Orca from CVS. The make install did not put the new planner.py script into its place, but when copied there it worked. I am still rather lost in the program though. I think I have successfully added a resource, but will first have to check if it is actually added as a resource in the saved project file. Planner uses xml to store the data in, so it is easy to check. I cannot seem to get to the text entry fields for entering tasks. Does the no focus message mean that Orca is lost as well? Thanks again for all the trouble you took so far. Regards, Willem On Wed, 5 Apr 2006, Rich Burridge wrote: > Willem van der Walt wrote: >> I have just now tried to use planner, a project management tool. It sounds >> like it should be usable with some scripting. > > Yes. > >> The problem is that I am new to gnome and orca of course. What is >> happening is that the thing says "toggel button pressed" or not pressed >> when arrowing up and down. > > I see/hear this too. Visually there is a column of toggle buttons with > graphical images down the left side of the main planner window. > They have text below them: > > Gantt Chart > Tasks > Resources > Resource Usage > > Unfortunately that text is not currently available to Orca to read. > > Now if I look at the component hierarchy with at-poke, I can see > that that panel on the left is filled with a load of fillers each containing > a toggle button and a label. This will be enough to allow us to get to the > text describing each toggle button. > >> Above the line, a description occurs according to the 7 key on the numpad. >> As I understand it, one can now write a script to automaticly speak the >> description together with the status of the button. > > Unfortunately it's not going to be as simple as that. The person(s) > that wrote planner should have used a LABEL_FOR relationship > to associated the label with the toggle button. I've filed bug #337382 > (http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=337382) against planner on this. > > Having said that, we can easily workaround this with an Orca script for > planner. > >> Is this correct and is there an example script which might already handle >> this situation? > > Not exactly, but there are one that would make a good starting point. > Evolution > has similar code in it. For something like this, I would start with that. > More on this below. > >> Can one copy an existing script to the name of a new application to have >> orca call it when the new application is opened? > > Yes. To do a proper job (i.e. so that others can take advantage of this > work), > one would need to create a new script in the .../orca/src/orca/scripts > directory > called planner.py It could start off as a copy of one of the other scripts > in > that directory. You would also need to modify the Makefile.am file in that > directory, to make sure that the new script name was added to the > orca_python_PYTHON definition. This means that it would automatically > get installed in a location where Python can find it. > > So here's what needs to be done to get this to work. I'll create an initial > planner.py script with the following in it. > > class Script(default.Script): > > def __init__(self, app): > > default.Script.__init__(self, app) > > Note that the real planner.py will have a load of extra things in it > like the initial copyright message, plus comments, debug messages > and import lines, but in order to try to keep it simple, I'll leave that out > here. > > Now what we are interested in is when the focus is on one of those four > toggle buttons. To do this from within the planner.py script, we need to > subclass > the onFocus() method. When that method is called, we check the hierarchy of > the component that currently has focus to see if it matches what we want. > To find out what we want, I would have previously run Planner with Orca and > hit Insert-F7 when the focus was at one of the toggle buttons in Planner. > Doing > that I determined that the component hierarchy I needed to be looking for is: > > toggle button > filler > filler > panel > panel > filler > filler > frame > application > > I only need to use enough of these to make it unique. > > Also, if it's a focus event for planner but it isn't this kind, then we just > want to pass > it off to the parent class. > > This gives the following code: > > def onFocus(self, event): > > rolesList = [rolenames.ROLE_TOGGLE_BUTTON, \ > rolenames.ROLE_FILLER, \ > rolenames.ROLE_FILLER, \ > rolenames.ROLE_PANEL, \ > rolenames.ROLE_PANEL] > if util.isDesiredFocusedItem(event.source, rolesList): > ... handle this focus event ... > return > > default.Script.onFocus(self, event) > > > Now we need to fill in the ".. handle this focus event ..." part. > > What we want to do is use the filler component that is the parent of the > toggle button that current has focus. It's other child will be the label > that describes this toggle button. We want to get a handle to that, > extract the label and speak it. Here's the code that does that: > > filler = event.source.parent > allLabels = atspi.findByRole(filler, rolenames.ROLE_LABEL) > speech.speak(allLabels[0].name) > return > > We just use allLabels[0] because we know that there is only going to be one > label found. > > I've checked in the full version of this script in CVS HEAD for Orca. > I've also attached it to this message. If you place this in the installed > location for your Orca scripts, then it should work for you. Or just > check out the very latest version of Orca from CVS HEAD and > configure, build and install it. > > As you navigate Planner with Orca, I expect you to find other places > where it's not providing enough information. Hopefully we'll be able > to file bugs against Planner so that they properly fix up these problems. > We should also hopefully be able to provide script workarounds to > improve the usability as well. > >> ps. Where does user questions for orca go? > > This is a great place to ask questions like this. The mailing list is > archived. > We can now point people back to this email. > > -- This message is subject to the CSIR's copyright, terms and conditions and e-mail legal notice. Views expressed herein do not necessarily represent the views of the CSIR. CSIR E-mail Legal Notice http://mail.csir.co.za/CSIR_eMail_Legal_Notice.html CSIR Copyright, Terms and Conditions http://mail.csir.co.za/CSIR_Copyright.html For electronic copies of the CSIR Copyright, Terms and Conditions and the CSIR Legal Notice send a blank message with REQUEST LEGAL in the subject line to HelpDesk@csir.co.za. This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. 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From FDMA@once.es Thu Apr 6 07:40:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47C173B1523 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 07:40:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04289-06 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 07:39:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx.once.es (mx.once.es [217.149.152.66]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51D093B1623 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 07:39:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omail01.once.org (unknown [172.24.1.51]) by mx.once.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90D9735C1 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 13:40:21 +0200 (MEST) Received: by OMAIL01.once.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 13:39:56 +0200 Message-ID: <178EEBC4C5E55548A84E8B18F52AF80010E066F2@omailcl.once.org> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Dorado_Mart=EDnez=2C_Francisco_Javier=22?= To: Orca screen reader developers Subject: RE: Start to scripting Orca Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 13:39:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.527 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.072, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.527 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 11:40:00 -0000 Hi to all Willem you have to firstly activate whatever toggle button you want, tasks, resources, etc Then to add and entry you have to go to the toolbar by tabbing the application and look for a "insert task" button so a new task is inserted before you press it. Then you can go to the table showing the new task information, and press spacebar over the columns you want to modify. In the toolbar also there's another unlabeled toggle button that if you press shows a popup menu to add, remove or whatever action on the selected item. Hope this clarify Regards, Javier. -----Mensaje original----- De: Willem van der Walt [mailto:wvdwalt@csir.co.za] Enviado el: jueves, 06 de abril de 2006 13:18 Para: Rich Burridge CC: Orca screen reader developers Asunto: Re: Start to scripting Orca Hi, Thanks for the detailed answer and the script. I grabbed Orca from CVS. The make install did not put the new planner.py script into its place, but when copied there it worked. I am still rather lost in the program though. I think I have successfully added a resource, but will first have to check if it is actually added as a resource in the saved project file. Planner uses xml to store the data in, so it is easy to check. I cannot seem to get to the text entry fields for entering tasks. Does the no focus message mean that Orca is lost as well? Thanks again for all the trouble you took so far. Regards, Willem On Wed, 5 Apr 2006, Rich Burridge wrote: > Willem van der Walt wrote: >> I have just now tried to use planner, a project management tool. It >> sounds >> like it should be usable with some scripting. > > Yes. > >> The problem is that I am new to gnome and orca of course. What is >> happening is that the thing says "toggel button pressed" or not pressed >> when arrowing up and down. > > I see/hear this too. Visually there is a column of toggle buttons with > graphical images down the left side of the main planner window. They > have text below them: > > Gantt Chart > Tasks > Resources > Resource Usage > > Unfortunately that text is not currently available to Orca to read. > > Now if I look at the component hierarchy with at-poke, I can see that > that panel on the left is filled with a load of fillers each > containing a toggle button and a label. This will be enough to allow > us to get to the text describing each toggle button. > >> Above the line, a description occurs according to the 7 key on the >> numpad. >> As I understand it, one can now write a script to automaticly speak the >> description together with the status of the button. > > Unfortunately it's not going to be as simple as that. The person(s) > that wrote planner should have used a LABEL_FOR relationship to > associated the label with the toggle button. I've filed bug #337382 > (http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=337382) against planner on > this. > > Having said that, we can easily workaround this with an Orca script > for planner. > >> Is this correct and is there an example script which might already >> handle >> this situation? > > Not exactly, but there are one that would make a good starting point. > Evolution > has similar code in it. For something like this, I would start with that. > More on this below. > >> Can one copy an existing script to the name of a new application to >> have >> orca call it when the new application is opened? > > Yes. To do a proper job (i.e. so that others can take advantage of > this > work), > one would need to create a new script in the .../orca/src/orca/scripts > directory > called planner.py It could start off as a copy of one of the other scripts > in > that directory. You would also need to modify the Makefile.am file in that > directory, to make sure that the new script name was added to the > orca_python_PYTHON definition. This means that it would automatically > get installed in a location where Python can find it. > > So here's what needs to be done to get this to work. I'll create an > initial planner.py script with the following in it. > > class Script(default.Script): > > def __init__(self, app): > > default.Script.__init__(self, app) > > Note that the real planner.py will have a load of extra things in it > like the initial copyright message, plus comments, debug messages and > import lines, but in order to try to keep it simple, I'll leave that > out here. > > Now what we are interested in is when the focus is on one of those > four toggle buttons. To do this from within the planner.py script, we > need to subclass the onFocus() method. When that method is called, we > check the hierarchy of the component that currently has focus to see > if it matches what we want. To find out what we want, I would have > previously run Planner with Orca and hit Insert-F7 when the focus was > at one of the toggle buttons in Planner. Doing > that I determined that the component hierarchy I needed to be looking for is: > > toggle button > filler > filler > panel > panel > filler > filler > frame > application > > I only need to use enough of these to make it unique. > > Also, if it's a focus event for planner but it isn't this kind, then > we just > want to pass > it off to the parent class. > > This gives the following code: > > def onFocus(self, event): > > rolesList = [rolenames.ROLE_TOGGLE_BUTTON, \ > rolenames.ROLE_FILLER, \ > rolenames.ROLE_FILLER, \ > rolenames.ROLE_PANEL, \ > rolenames.ROLE_PANEL] > if util.isDesiredFocusedItem(event.source, rolesList): > ... handle this focus event ... > return > > default.Script.onFocus(self, event) > > > Now we need to fill in the ".. handle this focus event ..." part. > > What we want to do is use the filler component that is the parent of > the toggle button that current has focus. It's other child will be the > label that describes this toggle button. We want to get a handle to > that, extract the label and speak it. Here's the code that does that: > > filler = event.source.parent > allLabels = atspi.findByRole(filler, rolenames.ROLE_LABEL) > speech.speak(allLabels[0].name) > return > > We just use allLabels[0] because we know that there is only going to > be one label found. > > I've checked in the full version of this script in CVS HEAD for Orca. > I've also attached it to this message. If you place this in the > installed location for your Orca scripts, then it should work for you. > Or just check out the very latest version of Orca from CVS HEAD and > configure, build and install it. > > As you navigate Planner with Orca, I expect you to find other places > where it's not providing enough information. Hopefully we'll be able > to file bugs against Planner so that they properly fix up these > problems. We should also hopefully be able to provide script > workarounds to improve the usability as well. > >> ps. Where does user questions for orca go? > > This is a great place to ask questions like this. The mailing list is > archived. > We can now point people back to this email. > > -- This message is subject to the CSIR's copyright, terms and conditions and e-mail legal notice. Views expressed herein do not necessarily represent the views of the CSIR. CSIR E-mail Legal Notice http://mail.csir.co.za/CSIR_eMail_Legal_Notice.html CSIR Copyright, Terms and Conditions http://mail.csir.co.za/CSIR_Copyright.html For electronic copies of the CSIR Copyright, Terms and Conditions and the CSIR Legal Notice send a blank message with REQUEST LEGAL in the subject line to HelpDesk@csir.co.za. This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. MailScanner thanks Transtec Computers for their support. _______________________________________________ Orca-list mailing list Orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From William.Walker@Sun.COM Thu Apr 6 07:44:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E15FA3B1D22 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 07:44:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04550-06 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 07:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A5D13B122F for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 07:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-03.sun.com ([192.18.108.177]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k36BiEFu022187 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 05:44:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IXA00801RR3Q400@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 05:44:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.104] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IXA001BKTXP4KE4@mail-amer.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 05:44:14 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 07:44:12 -0400 From: Willie Walker Subject: Navigating GAIM (was Re: tarting orca) In-reply-to: <00ca01c6590e$728bb310$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: <8A0DC8C4-C7AB-4A4B-9821-89B524C710FE@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 References: <0IX500MNCYYXZJ@mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> <004c01c65862$617e3c20$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> <1144242869.30115.17.camel@localhost> <009801c658e4$f2f2e430$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> <1144267789.11676.23.camel@localhost> <00ca01c6590e$728bb310$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.54 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.019, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_GT=0.077, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.54 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 11:44:19 -0000 Hi Cody: The IM window in GAIM is primarily two things: the chat area where the conversation occurs and the text area where you type. There's other stuff in there, however, such as a toolbar for smiley faces and a horizontal rule. The script for GAIM will speak/braille the text and chat areas automatically when they update, but you can use Orca's "flat review" keys to explore the window if you need to. To do so, use the keypad keys: 7 - 8 - 9 read previous, read current, read next line 4 - 5 - 6 read previous, read current, read next word 1 - 2 - 3 read previous, read current, read next character You can also use the Orca modifier key (the "Insert" key) in combination of some of the keys. To do some exploring into what keys will do what, press "Insert+F1". This will take Orca into "Learn Mode." In learn mode, you can press various keys and key combinations and Orca will tell you what they will do. To exit learn mode, press the "Escape" key. Hope this helps! Will On Apr 5, 2006, at 8:10 PM, C-DOG wrote: > hi willie! > I got speech working, its amazing. a lot better then crappy old > gnopernicus, more responsive, and itsworks with evolution mazingly. > I do have one question... > how can I navigate in a IM window in gaim?? thanks a million > c > ody > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willie Walker" > > To: "Orca screen reader developers" > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:09 PM > Subject: Re: tarting orca > > >> Hi Cody: >> >> There could be several problems happening here. If speech isn't >> working, you might need to debug that first. Here's a fast pass I >> made >> on the WIKI for debugging speech (please let me know of changes you >> think would be helpful to make it clearer - I wrote it at night >> when I >> was kind of tired): >> >> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/GnomeSpeech >> >> If the goal is to start Orca when you log in, however, you have a >> couple >> of options. One is to tell your Linux distribution to not bring the >> graphical login up when it boots. The method for doing this >> unfortunately varies by distribution. With this option, you can add >> orca to your ~/.xinitrc file and then start the graphical desktop >> using >> xinit. >> >> Another option is to bring up the System->Preferences->Sessions >> application (also known as gnome-session-properties from the command >> line) and add orca as a startup program. >> >> In either case, you might actually want to point to a script that >> starts >> orca - that way you can do some pre-run cleanup of stuff if needed >> (e.g., kill synthesis drivers that might be hung and such). >> Attached >> is a script that does some of this pre-run cleanup. I'm not really >> advocating its use too widely, though, because Orca should not >> rely upon >> this kind of thing for proper behavior. Instead, it should be >> able to >> gracefully recover from bad things as much as possible or at least >> give >> you an informative message about what's causing it pain. But, it >> should >> at least be able to help you get going. >> >> Will >> >> On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 12:12 -0700, C-DOG wrote: >>> hi will, >>> but what is a way to avoid this? I mean, running orca from the >>> terminal >>> probably wont' do the same thing will it? I have tried starting >>> orca from >>> the gnome terminal and minimising the terminal, and using it but >>> get no >>> speech. >>> >>> cody >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willie Walker" >>> >>> To: "Orca screen reader developers" >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 6:14 AM >>> Subject: Re: tarting orca >>> >>> >>> > Hi Cody: >>> > >>> > This looks like it might be related to a GTK+ crasher: >>> > >>> > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326362 >>> > >>> > The main culprit that makes it happen seems to be the run >>> dialog. If >>> > you can avoid doing that until the crasher is fixed by the gtk >>> folks, >>> > then things might go better for you. >>> > >>> > Hope this helps, >>> > >>> > Will >>> > >>> > On Tue, 2006-04-04 at 20:38 -0700, C-DOG wrote: >>> >> actually I can get through the setup, if I type orca in the >>> terminal >>> >> then it will say welcome to orca. this does not happen in the run >>> >> dialogue in the gui of gnome it just crashes the pannel.cody >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Mike >>> Pedersen >>> >> To: 'Orca screen reader developers' >>> >> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 1:44 PM >>> >> Subject: RE: tarting orca >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Hello Cody, >>> >> I have opened a terminal and typed >>> >> >>> >> orca-setup >>> >> >>> >> I get a prompt asking me which voice I want. I >>> can't >>> >> quite understand the 2 options, so I select >>> one, then >>> >> i am asked for speak echo charactors, I say Y >>> for yes, >>> >> after this I get no speech, what is going >>> wrong? I >>> >> have managed to get this far. I still can't >>> get out of >>> >> a terminal window, is there another type of >>> setup I >>> >> need to do? >>> >> >>> >> After you finish orca-setup you will not have >>> speech >>> >> until you type orca. What happens if you type >>> orca in >>> >> the terminal prompt? >>> >> Mike >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> Orca-list mailing list >>> >> Orca-list@gnome.org >>> >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> Orca-list mailing list >>> >> Orca-list@gnome.org >>> >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Orca-list mailing list >>> > Orca-list@gnome.org >>> > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Orca-list mailing list >>> Orca-list@gnome.org >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > > >> _______________________________________________ >> Orca-list mailing list >> Orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From William.Walker@Sun.COM Thu Apr 6 08:15:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34B313B2E73 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:15:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07469-06 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:15:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 164A03B1CE2 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:15:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-01.sun.com ([192.18.108.175]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k36CFhFu013550 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 06:15:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IXA00801V0PA100@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 06:15:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.104] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IXA00ESVVDZM3V2@mail-amer.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 06:15:36 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 08:15:30 -0400 From: Willie Walker Subject: Re: Start to scripting Orca In-reply-to: Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.749.3) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <178EEBC4C5E55548A84E8B18F52AF80010D1F5CC@omailcl.once.org> <1144238460.30115.8.camel@localhost> <1144239415.30115.11.camel@localhost> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.578 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.020, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.578 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 12:15:50 -0000 > ps. Where does user questions for orca go? Since we are still in the early adoption phase of Orca, I think this list is fine. Thanks for asking, Will From wvdwalt@csir.co.za Thu Apr 6 08:25:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 402D13B2EED for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:25:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08230-04 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from apollo.csir.co.za (mx-4.csir.co.za [146.64.10.99]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D8883B2E81 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:25:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([146.64.19.125]) by apollo.csir.co.za (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k36CPGac011723 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 14:25:16 +0200 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k36CNjDg027430 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 14:23:45 +0200 Received: from localhost (wvdwalt@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id k36CNjst027419 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 14:23:45 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: wvdwalt owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 14:23:45 +0200 (SAST) From: Willem van der Walt X-X-Sender: wvdwalt@localhost.localdomain To: Orca screen reader developers Subject: RE: Start to scripting Orca In-Reply-To: <178EEBC4C5E55548A84E8B18F52AF80010E066F2@omailcl.once.org> Message-ID: References: <178EEBC4C5E55548A84E8B18F52AF80010E066F2@omailcl.once.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="8323328-815368825-1144326225=:20160" X-CSIR-MailScanner-Information: Please contact sys-admin at csir dot co dot za for more information X-CSIR-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: wvdwalt@csir.co.za X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.518 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.081, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.518 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 12:25:38 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --8323328-815368825-1144326225=:20160 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Hi, Thanks, it did help. It would be very helpfull if you could go through the adding of a task,=20 resource, etc. with key strokes. I am now stuck at assigning a resource=20 to the task. The other task things was text entry fields, but this one, I= =20 suppose give a list of already entered resources. I do not get that list. I have checked in the saved file and the one resource which I have added=20 before is there. Thanks so far. Regards, Willem On Thu, 6 Apr 2006, "Dorado Mart=EDnez, Francisco Javier" wrote: > Hi to all > > Willem you have to firstly activate whatever toggle button you want, task= s, > resources, etc > Then to add and entry you have to go to the toolbar by tabbing the > application and look for a "insert task" button so a new task is inserted > before you press it. > Then you can go to the table showing the new task information, and press > spacebar over the columns you want to modify. In the toolbar also there's > another unlabeled toggle button that if you press shows a popup menu to a= dd, > remove or whatever action on the selected item. > > Hope this clarify > > Regards, > > Javier. > > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: Willem van der Walt [mailto:wvdwalt@csir.co.za] > Enviado el: jueves, 06 de abril de 2006 13:18 > Para: Rich Burridge > CC: Orca screen reader developers > Asunto: Re: Start to scripting Orca > > > Hi, > Thanks for the detailed answer > and the script. > I grabbed Orca from CVS. The make install did not put the new planner.py > script into its place, but when copied there it worked. > I am still rather lost in the program though. I think I have successfully > added a resource, but will first have to check if it is actually added as > a resource in the saved project file. Planner uses xml to store the data > in, so it is easy to check. > I cannot seem to get to the text entry fields for entering tasks. Does the > no focus message mean that Orca is lost as well? Thanks again for all the > trouble you took so far. Regards, Willem > > > On Wed, 5 Apr 2006, Rich Burridge wrote: > >> Willem van der Walt wrote: >>> I have just now tried to use planner, a project management tool. It >>> sounds >>> like it should be usable with some scripting. >> >> Yes. >> >>> The problem is that I am new to gnome and orca of course. What is >>> happening is that the thing says "toggel button pressed" or not pressed >>> when arrowing up and down. >> >> I see/hear this too. Visually there is a column of toggle buttons with >> graphical images down the left side of the main planner window. They >> have text below them: >> >> Gantt Chart >> Tasks >> Resources >> Resource Usage >> >> Unfortunately that text is not currently available to Orca to read. >> >> Now if I look at the component hierarchy with at-poke, I can see that >> that panel on the left is filled with a load of fillers each >> containing a toggle button and a label. This will be enough to allow >> us to get to the text describing each toggle button. >> >>> Above the line, a description occurs according to the 7 key on the >>> numpad. >>> As I understand it, one can now write a script to automaticly speak the >>> description together with the status of the button. >> >> Unfortunately it's not going to be as simple as that. The person(s) >> that wrote planner should have used a LABEL_FOR relationship to >> associated the label with the toggle button. I've filed bug #337382 >> (http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D337382) against planner on >> this. >> >> Having said that, we can easily workaround this with an Orca script >> for planner. >> >>> Is this correct and is there an example script which might already >>> handle >>> this situation? >> >> Not exactly, but there are one that would make a good starting point. >> Evolution >> has similar code in it. For something like this, I would start with that. >> More on this below. >> >>> Can one copy an existing script to the name of a new application to >>> have >>> orca call it when the new application is opened? >> >> Yes. To do a proper job (i.e. so that others can take advantage of >> this >> work), >> one would need to create a new script in the .../orca/src/orca/scripts >> directory >> called planner.py It could start off as a copy of one of the other > scripts >> in >> that directory. You would also need to modify the Makefile.am file in th= at >> directory, to make sure that the new script name was added to the >> orca_python_PYTHON definition. This means that it would automatically >> get installed in a location where Python can find it. >> >> So here's what needs to be done to get this to work. I'll create an >> initial planner.py script with the following in it. >> >> class Script(default.Script): >> >> def __init__(self, app): >> >> default.Script.__init__(self, app) >> >> Note that the real planner.py will have a load of extra things in it >> like the initial copyright message, plus comments, debug messages and >> import lines, but in order to try to keep it simple, I'll leave that >> out here. >> >> Now what we are interested in is when the focus is on one of those >> four toggle buttons. To do this from within the planner.py script, we >> need to subclass the onFocus() method. When that method is called, we >> check the hierarchy of the component that currently has focus to see >> if it matches what we want. To find out what we want, I would have >> previously run Planner with Orca and hit Insert-F7 when the focus was >> at one of the toggle buttons in Planner. Doing >> that I determined that the component hierarchy I needed to be looking for > is: >> >> toggle button >> filler >> filler >> panel >> panel >> filler >> filler >> frame >> application >> >> I only need to use enough of these to make it unique. >> >> Also, if it's a focus event for planner but it isn't this kind, then >> we just >> want to pass >> it off to the parent class. >> >> This gives the following code: >> >> def onFocus(self, event): >> >> rolesList =3D [rolenames.ROLE_TOGGLE_BUTTON, \ >> rolenames.ROLE_FILLER, \ >> rolenames.ROLE_FILLER, \ >> rolenames.ROLE_PANEL, \ >> rolenames.ROLE_PANEL] >> if util.isDesiredFocusedItem(event.source, rolesList): >> ... handle this focus event ... >> return >> >> default.Script.onFocus(self, event) >> >> >> Now we need to fill in the ".. handle this focus event ..." part. >> >> What we want to do is use the filler component that is the parent of >> the toggle button that current has focus. It's other child will be the >> label that describes this toggle button. We want to get a handle to >> that, extract the label and speak it. Here's the code that does that: >> >> filler =3D event.source.parent >> allLabels =3D atspi.findByRole(filler, rolenames.ROLE_LABEL) >> speech.speak(allLabels[0].name) >> return >> >> We just use allLabels[0] because we know that there is only going to >> be one label found. >> >> I've checked in the full version of this script in CVS HEAD for Orca. >> I've also attached it to this message. If you place this in the >> installed location for your Orca scripts, then it should work for you. >> Or just check out the very latest version of Orca from CVS HEAD and >> configure, build and install it. >> >> As you navigate Planner with Orca, I expect you to find other places >> where it's not providing enough information. Hopefully we'll be able >> to file bugs against Planner so that they properly fix up these >> problems. We should also hopefully be able to provide script >> workarounds to improve the usability as well. >> >>> ps. Where does user questions for orca go? >> >> This is a great place to ask questions like this. The mailing list is >> archived. >> We can now point people back to this email. >> >> > > --=20 > This message is subject to the CSIR's copyright, terms and conditions and > e-mail legal notice. Views expressed herein do not necessarily represent = the > views of the CSIR. > > CSIR E-mail Legal Notice http://mail.csir.co.za/CSIR_eMail_Legal_Notice.h= tml > > > CSIR Copyright, Terms and Conditions > http://mail.csir.co.za/CSIR_Copyright.html > > For electronic copies of the CSIR Copyright, Terms and Conditions and the > CSIR Legal Notice send a blank message with REQUEST LEGAL in the subject > line to HelpDesk@csir.co.za. > > > This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by > MailScanner, > and is believed to be clean. 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MailScanner thanks Transtec Computers for the= ir support. --8323328-815368825-1144326225=:20160-- From Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM Thu Apr 6 10:04:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 823813B219C for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 10:04:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14825-10 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 10:04:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F65D3B1295 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 10:04:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-05.sun.com ([192.18.108.179]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k36E4LJK029312 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:04:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IXB00I0100U1V00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 08:04:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [129.146.91.14] by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IXB00AXV0F8GO20@mail-amer.sun.com>; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 08:04:21 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 07:02:59 -0700 From: Rich Burridge Subject: Re: Start to scripting Orca In-reply-to: <178EEBC4C5E55548A84E8B18F52AF80010E0656A@omailcl.once.org> Sender: Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM To: Orca screen reader developers , FDMA@once.es, mike Pedersen Message-id: <44351F93.106@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <178EEBC4C5E55548A84E8B18F52AF80010E0656A@omailcl.once.org> User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060327) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.596 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.002, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.596 X-Spam-Level: Cc: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 14:04:26 -0000 Hi Javier, > I am going to help with planner and learn some scripting quote a piece of > code: > > > filler = event.source.parent > allLabels = atspi.findByRole(filler, rolenames.ROLE_LABEL) > speech.speak(allLabels[0].name) > default.onFocus(event, event.source) #We need to do default > after label spoken too is this correct? > Then else also do the default. > return > Or more simply, just remove the return and drop through and do the default action for a focus event for this component (the toggle button). This is the approach that Mike (Pedersen) has been suggesting for other similar problems. In other words, the extra information is just spoken but not brailled. I'll check that change into CVS HEAD later this morning. Thanks. > Then before or after speak label, would be good to braille it. I don't know > exactly how to manage the brailleGenerator. > I think firstly we need to get the regions for the current object? > CurrentRegion = brailleGen.getBrailleRegions(event.source) and then add the > label to the currentRegion? > I'll leave it to Mike to say whether we should braille this extra information as well as just speak it. If we were going to do that, it would be something like: filler = event.source.parent allLabels = atspi.findByRole(filler, rolenames.ROLE_LABEL) utterance = allLabels[0].name speech.speak(utterance) brailleRegions = brailleGen.getBrailleRegions(event.source) brailleRegions.append(braille.Region(utterance)) braille.displayRegions(brailleRegions) return I haven't tested this, so it might need tweaking. Mike, which would you prefer for our default planner.py script? Javier, note that you can always have your own personal copy of this script in your ~/.orca/orca_scripts/ directory. If you put it in there, don't forget to create an empty __init__.py file in the same directory so that it'll correctly get picked up. From Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM Thu Apr 6 10:07:44 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36DEB3B1259 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 10:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15319-04 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 10:07:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DA173B0888 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 10:07:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-03.sun.com ([192.18.108.177]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k36E7bJK001979 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 08:07:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IXB00N010I92P00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 08:07:37 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [129.146.91.14] by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IXB00EU00KOPQ20@mail-amer.sun.com>; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 08:07:37 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 07:06:15 -0700 From: Rich Burridge Subject: Re: Start to scripting Orca In-reply-to: Sender: Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM To: Willem van der Walt Message-id: <44352057.505@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <178EEBC4C5E55548A84E8B18F52AF80010D1F5CC@omailcl.once.org> <1144238460.30115.8.camel@localhost> <1144239415.30115.11.camel@localhost> <4433E1DB.5080003@sun.com> User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060327) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.596 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.002, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.596 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Orca screen reader developers X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 14:07:44 -0000 Hi Willem, > I grabbed Orca from CVS. The make install did not put the new > planner.py script into its place, but when copied there it worked. In this case, doing a "make install" isn't enough. You have to do the whole autogen.sh run again, so that a new Makefile.in and Makefile can be generated from the changed Makefile.am file. > I am still rather lost in the program though. I think I have > successfully added a resource, but will first have to check if it is > actually added as a resource in the saved project file. Planner uses > xml to store the data in, so it is easy to check. > I cannot seem to get to the text entry fields for entering tasks. Hopefully Javier has answered this one for you. From Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM Thu Apr 6 11:37:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07F553B01A8 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 11:37:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21266-04 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 11:37:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5D233B0421 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 11:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-04.sun.com ([192.18.108.178]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k36FaxSa026200 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 09:36:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IXB000014C1BW00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 09:36:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [129.146.91.14] by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IXB002DC4PLCZ30@mail-amer.sun.com>; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 09:36:59 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 08:35:36 -0700 From: Rich Burridge Subject: Re: Start to scripting Orca In-reply-to: <44351F93.106@sun.com> Sender: Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM To: Rich Burridge Message-id: <44353548.5000409@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <178EEBC4C5E55548A84E8B18F52AF80010E0656A@omailcl.once.org> <44351F93.106@sun.com> User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060327) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.596 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.002, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.596 X-Spam-Level: Cc: mike Pedersen , Orca screen reader developers X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 15:37:03 -0000 Rich Burridge wrote: > Javier, note that you can always have your own personal copy > of this script in your ~/.orca/orca_scripts/ directory. If you put it > in there, don't forget to create an empty __init__.py file in the same > directory so that it'll correctly get picked up. That should of course been "orca-scripts" directory not "orca_scripts". From javier@tiflolinux.org Thu Apr 6 14:48:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCD1E3B0D15 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 14:48:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00701-08 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 14:48:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tiflolinux.org (unknown [82.158.40.139]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A32693B16D3 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 14:48:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (uid 503) by tiflolinux.org with local; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 21:57:30 +0200 id 000F6B7D.443572AA.00002747 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 21:57:30 +0200 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fco=2E_Javier_Dorado_Mart=EDnez?=" To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20060406195730.GA10024@tiflolinux.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Operating-System: Linux tiflolinux.org 2.4.20-8 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.10i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.481 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.172, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL=1.946] X-Spam-Score: -0.481 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Orca rolenames too long for braille? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 18:48:16 -0000 Hi folks About saving extra space on our maximum 80 character braille display, I have noted that now the role is shown as same speech and braille. For example "button" it's spoken and the same is written into the braille display. One suggest would be to abbreviate the rolenames for braille presentation. button = btn, checkbox = chk, etc. About display or not display extra information I would let to the different verbosity levels would be it possible? For example, in the planner application if verbosity level is set to maximum then speak the labels and not braille tehm, etc. There are users that cannot ear the speech but can read braille. Hope this help Regards, Javier From Michael.Pedersen@Sun.COM Thu Apr 6 14:55:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 334023B157C for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 14:55:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00967-09 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 14:55:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FF113B1758 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 14:55:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phys-mpk-2 ([129.146.11.82]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k36ItTZe013692 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 12:55:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com by mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.24 (built Dec 19 2003)) id <0IXB00001DIZDC@mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> (original mail from Michael.Pedersen@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 11:55:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toshiba (vpn-129-150-20-253.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.150.20.253]) by mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.24 (built Dec 19 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IXB002ITDWB2W@mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 11:55:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 11:55:23 -0700 From: Mike Pedersen Subject: RE: Orca rolenames too long for braille? In-reply-to: <20060406195730.GA10024@tiflolinux.org> To: "'Orca screen reader developers'" Message-id: <0IXB002IVDWB2W@mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcZZqtnMnG2mNel3To+L/K4EZV1cJAAACRUw X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.515 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.776, BAYES_20=-0.74, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.515 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 18:55:34 -0000 Hi Javier > About saving extra space on our maximum 80 character braille > display, I have noted that now the role is shown as same > speech and braille. For example "button" it's spoken and the > same is written into the braille display. > One suggest would be to abbreviate the rolenames for braille > presentation. button = btn, checkbox = chk, etc. We are planning to add braille verbosity levels to handle this. If the community feels that abbreviations are generally a better idea I'm opened to making them the default. > About display or not display extra information I would let to > the different verbosity levels would be it possible? > For example, in the planner application if verbosity level is > set to maximum then speak the labels and not braille tehm, etc. > There are users that cannot ear the speech but can read braille. Can you please elaborate on this one I'm not sure I understand what you mean here. Thanks for the feedback Mike From Michael.Pedersen@Sun.COM Thu Apr 6 15:17:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 717683B1D75 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:17:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02366-03 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:17:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com (brmea-mail-1.Sun.COM [192.18.98.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A9F13B1BFB for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:17:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phys-mpk-2 ([129.146.11.82]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k36JHL3d014455 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 13:17:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com by mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.24 (built Dec 19 2003)) id <0IXB00I01ENHSZ@mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> (original mail from Michael.Pedersen@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 12:17:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toshiba (vpn-129-150-20-253.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.150.20.253]) by mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.24 (built Dec 19 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IXB00LFFEWW9B@mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com>; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 12:17:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 12:17:20 -0700 From: Mike Pedersen Subject: RE: Start to scripting Orca In-reply-to: <44351F93.106@sun.com> To: "'Orca screen reader developers'" , FDMA@once.es Message-id: <0IXB00LFJEWX9B@mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcZZgxqwYCFf5NY5Qp6acbEtISwYsgAKzbcA X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.431 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.167, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.431 X-Spam-Level: Cc: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 19:17:25 -0000 Hello, > > Then before or after speak label, would be good to braille > it. I don't > > know exactly how to manage the brailleGenerator. > > I think firstly we need to get the regions for the current object? > > CurrentRegion = brailleGen.getBrailleRegions(event.source) and then > > add the label to the currentRegion? > > > I'll leave it to Mike to say whether we should braille this > extra information as well as just speak it. If we were going > to do that, it would be something like: By default, we want the label for a control displayed but not other static text information. This is to optimize the use of the braille line. I haven't taken a look at this app yet but will do so in the next couple days. Mike From frankiec@djernes.org Thu Apr 6 15:21:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE7323B1B5B for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:21:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02529-06 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:21:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from djernes.org (dls.djernes.org [70.85.31.113]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C66F3B1D4A for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:21:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (uid 1001) by djernes.org with local; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 14:21:21 -0500 id 00095BC9.44356A31.00006DD0 Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:21:21 -0400 From: "Frank J. Carmickle" To: Orca screen reader developers Message-ID: <20060406192121.GA24556@false> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060126 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.857 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.744, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.857 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Orca what went wrong? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: frank@carmickle.com, Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 19:21:23 -0000 Hi Willie and all I have been trying to get orca to run for the last 3 days. I keep updating cvs thinking that I may just have checked at a time with bugs. I seem to get the same kind of errors over and over again. Test-speech works fine. Here's the output of orca-setup. Looks like it is a problem with my python setup? Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/speech.py", line 49, in getSpeechServerFactories ['']) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/gnomespeechfactory.py", line 36, in ? atspi.ORBit.load_typelib('GNOME_Speech') RuntimeError: could not load typelib Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/speech.py", line 85, in init ['']) File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/gnomespeechfactory.py", line 36, in ? atspi.ORBit.load_typelib('GNOME_Speech') RuntimeError: could not load typelib Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/local/bin/orca-setup", line 282, in ? useSpeech = setupSpeech() File "/usr/local/bin/orca-setup", line 130, in setupSpeech speech.init() File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/speech.py", line 95, in init __speechserver = factory.SpeechServer.getSpeechServer() AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'SpeechServer' My setup is debian unstable with very recent updates. Thanks for the help. --Frank From alpuzz@gmail.com Thu Apr 6 15:25:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89F753B30C8 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:25:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02860-04 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.237]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47F1E3B2E87 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 55so263107wri for ; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 12:25:48 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=NQISY4fMWzx0BoPo5RNPwPHTsWXUu83sR6LLWMAJ/2xHzUEIMYglmxVHIjDJeLvOtUOdlRlEbUCKuboL2oUZOXw69yiiDmcR1yvDc9XbiCIViv7SzrLHkcJw2adQkAwJVKEP1KPGuvk1WmJlCX9yFiYiY0O17OIh1bEJ/Mp93dY= Received: by 10.54.145.20 with SMTP id s20mr1352888wrd; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 12:25:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thinkpad ( [68.41.20.163]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 45sm98936wri.2006.04.06.12.25.47; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 12:25:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001501c659af$e72e7c10$6901a8c0@thinkpad> From: "Al Puzzuoli" To: "Orca screen reader developers" References: <0IX500MNCYYXZJ@mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com><004c01c65862$617e3c20$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6><1144242869.30115.17.camel@localhost><009801c658e4$f2f2e430$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6><1144267789.11676.23.camel@localhost><00ca01c6590e$728bb310$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> <8A0DC8C4-C7AB-4A4B-9821-89B524C710FE@sun.com> Subject: Re: Navigating GAIM (was Re: tarting orca) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:25:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.371 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.406, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.558, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -1.371 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 19:25:53 -0000 For anyone interested, I just fleshed out the GAIM item in the wiki. It can be viewed at the following URL: http://live.gnome.org/Orca/GAIM --Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willie Walker" To: "Orca screen reader developers" Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 7:44 AM Subject: Navigating GAIM (was Re: tarting orca) > Hi Cody: > > The IM window in GAIM is primarily two things: the chat area where the > conversation occurs and the text area where you type. There's other > stuff in there, however, such as a toolbar for smiley faces and a > horizontal rule. The script for GAIM will speak/braille the text and > chat areas automatically when they update, but you can use Orca's "flat > review" keys to explore the window if you need to. To do so, use the > keypad keys: > > 7 - 8 - 9 read previous, read current, read next line > 4 - 5 - 6 read previous, read current, read next word > 1 - 2 - 3 read previous, read current, read next character > > You can also use the Orca modifier key (the "Insert" key) in combination > of some of the keys. To do some exploring into what keys will do what, > press "Insert+F1". This will take Orca into "Learn Mode." In learn > mode, you can press various keys and key combinations and Orca will tell > you what they will do. To exit learn mode, press the "Escape" key. > > Hope this helps! > > Will > > On Apr 5, 2006, at 8:10 PM, C-DOG wrote: > >> hi willie! >> I got speech working, its amazing. a lot better then crappy old >> gnopernicus, more responsive, and itsworks with evolution mazingly. I do >> have one question... >> how can I navigate in a IM window in gaim?? thanks a million >> c >> ody >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willie Walker" >> >> To: "Orca screen reader developers" >> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:09 PM >> Subject: Re: tarting orca >> >> >>> Hi Cody: >>> >>> There could be several problems happening here. If speech isn't >>> working, you might need to debug that first. Here's a fast pass I made >>> on the WIKI for debugging speech (please let me know of changes you >>> think would be helpful to make it clearer - I wrote it at night when I >>> was kind of tired): >>> >>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/GnomeSpeech >>> >>> If the goal is to start Orca when you log in, however, you have a >>> couple >>> of options. One is to tell your Linux distribution to not bring the >>> graphical login up when it boots. The method for doing this >>> unfortunately varies by distribution. With this option, you can add >>> orca to your ~/.xinitrc file and then start the graphical desktop using >>> xinit. >>> >>> Another option is to bring up the System->Preferences->Sessions >>> application (also known as gnome-session-properties from the command >>> line) and add orca as a startup program. >>> >>> In either case, you might actually want to point to a script that >>> starts >>> orca - that way you can do some pre-run cleanup of stuff if needed >>> (e.g., kill synthesis drivers that might be hung and such). Attached >>> is a script that does some of this pre-run cleanup. I'm not really >>> advocating its use too widely, though, because Orca should not rely >>> upon >>> this kind of thing for proper behavior. Instead, it should be able to >>> gracefully recover from bad things as much as possible or at least give >>> you an informative message about what's causing it pain. But, it >>> should >>> at least be able to help you get going. >>> >>> Will >>> >>> On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 12:12 -0700, C-DOG wrote: >>>> hi will, >>>> but what is a way to avoid this? I mean, running orca from the >>>> terminal >>>> probably wont' do the same thing will it? I have tried starting orca >>>> from >>>> the gnome terminal and minimising the terminal, and using it but get >>>> no >>>> speech. >>>> >>>> cody >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willie Walker" >>>> >>>> To: "Orca screen reader developers" >>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 6:14 AM >>>> Subject: Re: tarting orca >>>> >>>> >>>> > Hi Cody: >>>> > >>>> > This looks like it might be related to a GTK+ crasher: >>>> > >>>> > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326362 >>>> > >>>> > The main culprit that makes it happen seems to be the run >>>> dialog. If >>>> > you can avoid doing that until the crasher is fixed by the gtk >>>> folks, >>>> > then things might go better for you. >>>> > >>>> > Hope this helps, >>>> > >>>> > Will >>>> > >>>> > On Tue, 2006-04-04 at 20:38 -0700, C-DOG wrote: >>>> >> actually I can get through the setup, if I type orca in the >>>> terminal >>>> >> then it will say welcome to orca. this does not happen in the run >>>> >> dialogue in the gui of gnome it just crashes the pannel.cody >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Mike >>>> Pedersen >>>> >> To: 'Orca screen reader developers' >>>> >> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 1:44 PM >>>> >> Subject: RE: tarting orca >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> Hello Cody, >>>> >> I have opened a terminal and typed >>>> >> >>>> >> orca-setup >>>> >> >>>> >> I get a prompt asking me which voice I want. I >>>> can't >>>> >> quite understand the 2 options, so I select >>>> one, then >>>> >> i am asked for speak echo charactors, I say Y >>>> for yes, >>>> >> after this I get no speech, what is going >>>> wrong? I >>>> >> have managed to get this far. I still can't >>>> get out of >>>> >> a terminal window, is there another type of >>>> setup I >>>> >> need to do? >>>> >> >>>> >> After you finish orca-setup you will not have >>>> speech >>>> >> until you type orca. What happens if you type >>>> orca in >>>> >> the terminal prompt? >>>> >> Mike >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> Orca-list mailing list >>>> >> Orca-list@gnome.org >>>> >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> Orca-list mailing list >>>> >> Orca-list@gnome.org >>>> >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > Orca-list mailing list >>>> > Orca-list@gnome.org >>>> > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Orca-list mailing list >>>> Orca-list@gnome.org >>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ---------- >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Orca-list mailing list >>> Orca-list@gnome.org >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Orca-list mailing list >> Orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From Michael.Pedersen@Sun.COM Thu Apr 6 15:50:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27E3F3B1702 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04558-02 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ACB13B16DE for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phys-mpk-2 ([129.146.11.82]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k36JnZZu021108 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 13:50:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com by mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.24 (built Dec 19 2003)) id <0IXB00I01GA1QZ@mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> (original mail from Michael.Pedersen@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 12:50:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toshiba (vpn-129-150-22-44.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.150.22.44]) by mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.24 (built Dec 19 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IXB00LGOGFN9B@mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com>; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 12:50:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 12:50:11 -0700 From: Mike Pedersen Subject: RE: Orca what went wrong? In-reply-to: <20060406192121.GA24556@false> To: frank@carmickle.com, "'Orca screen reader developers'" Message-id: <0IXB00LGPGFN9B@mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcZZsG8eXBGwuzCATeGU7CXTK3XpswAArTLg X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.455 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.143, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.455 X-Spam-Level: Cc: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 19:50:18 -0000 Hi, you might try your autogen with --prefix=/usr and see if that solves the problem. Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org > [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] On Behalf Of Frank J. Carmickle > Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 12:21 PM > To: Orca screen reader developers > Subject: Orca what went wrong? > > Hi Willie and all > > I have been trying to get orca to run for the last 3 days. I > keep updating cvs thinking that I may just have checked at a > time with bugs. I seem to get the same kind of errors over > and over again. Test-speech works fine. Here's the output > of orca-setup. Looks like it is a problem with my python setup? > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File > "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/speech.py", line > 49, in getSpeechServerFactories > ['']) > File > "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/gnomespeechfactor > y.py", line 36, in ? > atspi.ORBit.load_typelib('GNOME_Speech') > RuntimeError: could not load typelib > Traceback (most recent call last): > File > "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/speech.py", line > 85, in init ['']) > File > "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/gnomespeechfactor > y.py", line 36, in ? > atspi.ORBit.load_typelib('GNOME_Speech') > RuntimeError: could not load typelib > > > > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/bin/orca-setup", line 282, in ? > useSpeech = setupSpeech() > File "/usr/local/bin/orca-setup", line 130, in setupSpeech > speech.init() > File > "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/speech.py", line > 95, in init __speechserver = factory.SpeechServer.getSpeechServer() > AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'SpeechServer' > > My setup is debian unstable with very recent updates. > > Thanks for the help. > --Frank > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > From churst31@verizon.net Thu Apr 6 15:51:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9609E3B16FD for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:51:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04645-02 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:51:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 337C23B16C2 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:51:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.46] ([72.78.33.118]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IXB00209GI3K7P1@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for orca-list@gnome.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 14:51:41 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 10:51:34 -0400 From: Cody Hurst Subject: Re: Navigating GAIM (was Re: tarting orca) In-reply-to: <001501c659af$e72e7c10$6901a8c0@thinkpad> To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: <1144335094.2642.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 (2.6.0-1) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <0IX500MNCYYXZJ@mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> <004c01c65862$617e3c20$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> <1144242869.30115.17.camel@localhost> <009801c658e4$f2f2e430$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> <1144267789.11676.23.camel@localhost> <00ca01c6590e$728bb310$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> <8A0DC8C4-C7AB-4A4B-9821-89B524C710FE@sun.com> <001501c659af$e72e7c10$6901a8c0@thinkpad> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.48 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.565, BAYES_00=-2.599, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06=0.478, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -1.48 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 19:51:47 -0000 hi, That link you posted tells me that the page doesn't even exist yet? ??????????? its asking me to create a template?? cody On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 15:25 -0400, Al Puzzuoli wrote: > For anyone interested, I just fleshed out the GAIM item in the wiki. It > can be viewed at the following URL: > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/GAIM > > --Al > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Willie Walker" > To: "Orca screen reader developers" > Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 7:44 AM > Subject: Navigating GAIM (was Re: tarting orca) > > > > Hi Cody: > > > > The IM window in GAIM is primarily two things: the chat area where the > > conversation occurs and the text area where you type. There's other > > stuff in there, however, such as a toolbar for smiley faces and a > > horizontal rule. The script for GAIM will speak/braille the text and > > chat areas automatically when they update, but you can use Orca's "flat > > review" keys to explore the window if you need to. To do so, use the > > keypad keys: > > > > 7 - 8 - 9 read previous, read current, read next line > > 4 - 5 - 6 read previous, read current, read next word > > 1 - 2 - 3 read previous, read current, read next character > > > > You can also use the Orca modifier key (the "Insert" key) in combination > > of some of the keys. To do some exploring into what keys will do what, > > press "Insert+F1". This will take Orca into "Learn Mode." In learn > > mode, you can press various keys and key combinations and Orca will tell > > you what they will do. To exit learn mode, press the "Escape" key. > > > > Hope this helps! > > > > Will > > > > On Apr 5, 2006, at 8:10 PM, C-DOG wrote: > > > >> hi willie! > >> I got speech working, its amazing. a lot better then crappy old > >> gnopernicus, more responsive, and itsworks with evolution mazingly. I do > >> have one question... > >> how can I navigate in a IM window in gaim?? thanks a million > >> c > >> ody > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willie Walker" > >> > >> To: "Orca screen reader developers" > >> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:09 PM > >> Subject: Re: tarting orca > >> > >> > >>> Hi Cody: > >>> > >>> There could be several problems happening here. If speech isn't > >>> working, you might need to debug that first. Here's a fast pass I made > >>> on the WIKI for debugging speech (please let me know of changes you > >>> think would be helpful to make it clearer - I wrote it at night when I > >>> was kind of tired): > >>> > >>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/GnomeSpeech > >>> > >>> If the goal is to start Orca when you log in, however, you have a > >>> couple > >>> of options. One is to tell your Linux distribution to not bring the > >>> graphical login up when it boots. The method for doing this > >>> unfortunately varies by distribution. With this option, you can add > >>> orca to your ~/.xinitrc file and then start the graphical desktop using > >>> xinit. > >>> > >>> Another option is to bring up the System->Preferences->Sessions > >>> application (also known as gnome-session-properties from the command > >>> line) and add orca as a startup program. > >>> > >>> In either case, you might actually want to point to a script that > >>> starts > >>> orca - that way you can do some pre-run cleanup of stuff if needed > >>> (e.g., kill synthesis drivers that might be hung and such). Attached > >>> is a script that does some of this pre-run cleanup. I'm not really > >>> advocating its use too widely, though, because Orca should not rely > >>> upon > >>> this kind of thing for proper behavior. Instead, it should be able to > >>> gracefully recover from bad things as much as possible or at least give > >>> you an informative message about what's causing it pain. But, it > >>> should > >>> at least be able to help you get going. > >>> > >>> Will > >>> > >>> On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 12:12 -0700, C-DOG wrote: > >>>> hi will, > >>>> but what is a way to avoid this? I mean, running orca from the > >>>> terminal > >>>> probably wont' do the same thing will it? I have tried starting orca > >>>> from > >>>> the gnome terminal and minimising the terminal, and using it but get > >>>> no > >>>> speech. > >>>> > >>>> cody > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willie Walker" > >>>> > >>>> To: "Orca screen reader developers" > >>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 6:14 AM > >>>> Subject: Re: tarting orca > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Hi Cody: > >>>> > > >>>> > This looks like it might be related to a GTK+ crasher: > >>>> > > >>>> > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326362 > >>>> > > >>>> > The main culprit that makes it happen seems to be the run > >>>> dialog. If > >>>> > you can avoid doing that until the crasher is fixed by the gtk > >>>> folks, > >>>> > then things might go better for you. > >>>> > > >>>> > Hope this helps, > >>>> > > >>>> > Will > >>>> > > >>>> > On Tue, 2006-04-04 at 20:38 -0700, C-DOG wrote: > >>>> >> actually I can get through the setup, if I type orca in the > >>>> terminal > >>>> >> then it will say welcome to orca. this does not happen in the run > >>>> >> dialogue in the gui of gnome it just crashes the pannel.cody > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Mike > >>>> Pedersen > >>>> >> To: 'Orca screen reader developers' > >>>> >> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 1:44 PM > >>>> >> Subject: RE: tarting orca > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> Hello Cody, > >>>> >> I have opened a terminal and typed > >>>> >> > >>>> >> orca-setup > >>>> >> > >>>> >> I get a prompt asking me which voice I want. I > >>>> can't > >>>> >> quite understand the 2 options, so I select > >>>> one, then > >>>> >> i am asked for speak echo charactors, I say Y > >>>> for yes, > >>>> >> after this I get no speech, what is going > >>>> wrong? I > >>>> >> have managed to get this far. I still can't > >>>> get out of > >>>> >> a terminal window, is there another type of > >>>> setup I > >>>> >> need to do? > >>>> >> > >>>> >> After you finish orca-setup you will not have > >>>> speech > >>>> >> until you type orca. What happens if you type > >>>> orca in > >>>> >> the terminal prompt? > >>>> >> Mike > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> ______________________________________________________________ > >>>> >> > >>>> >> _______________________________________________ > >>>> >> Orca-list mailing list > >>>> >> Orca-list@gnome.org > >>>> >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >>>> >> _______________________________________________ > >>>> >> Orca-list mailing list > >>>> >> Orca-list@gnome.org > >>>> >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >>>> > > >>>> > _______________________________________________ > >>>> > Orca-list mailing list > >>>> > Orca-list@gnome.org > >>>> > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Orca-list mailing list > >>>> Orca-list@gnome.org > >>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >>> > >> > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> ---------- > >> > >> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Orca-list mailing list > >>> Orca-list@gnome.org > >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Orca-list mailing list > >> Orca-list@gnome.org > >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Orca-list mailing list > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From churst31@verizon.net Thu Apr 6 15:57:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B0123B1BB0 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:57:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04793-10 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:57:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEC583B16C2 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:57:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.46] ([72.78.33.118]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IXB00DEEGSAE5XG@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for orca-list@gnome.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 14:57:47 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 10:57:40 -0400 From: Cody Hurst Subject: Re: Navigating GAIM (was Re: tarting orca) In-reply-to: <8A0DC8C4-C7AB-4A4B-9821-89B524C710FE@sun.com> To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: <1144335465.2642.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 (2.6.0-1) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <0IX500MNCYYXZJ@mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> <004c01c65862$617e3c20$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> <1144242869.30115.17.camel@localhost> <009801c658e4$f2f2e430$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> <1144267789.11676.23.camel@localhost> <00ca01c6590e$728bb310$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> <8A0DC8C4-C7AB-4A4B-9821-89B524C710FE@sun.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.565 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.428, BAYES_00=-2.599, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06=0.478, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -0.565 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 19:57:49 -0000 hi will, Maybe think about creating a script that will allow me to press something like control and any number on the number line to hear previous messages, if I missed one???? Thanks for the help. CodyOn Thu, 2006-04-06 at 07:44 -0400, Willie Walker wrote: > Hi Cody: > > The IM window in GAIM is primarily two things: the chat area where > the conversation occurs and the text area where you type. There's > other stuff in there, however, such as a toolbar for smiley faces and > a horizontal rule. The script for GAIM will speak/braille the text > and chat areas automatically when they update, but you can use Orca's > "flat review" keys to explore the window if you need to. To do so, > use the keypad keys: > > 7 - 8 - 9 read previous, read current, read next line > 4 - 5 - 6 read previous, read current, read next word > 1 - 2 - 3 read previous, read current, read next character > > You can also use the Orca modifier key (the "Insert" key) in > combination of some of the keys. To do some exploring into what keys > will do what, press "Insert+F1". This will take Orca into "Learn > Mode." In learn mode, you can press various keys and key > combinations and Orca will tell you what they will do. To exit learn > mode, press the "Escape" key. > > Hope this helps! > > Will > > On Apr 5, 2006, at 8:10 PM, C-DOG wrote: > > > hi willie! > > I got speech working, its amazing. a lot better then crappy old > > gnopernicus, more responsive, and itsworks with evolution mazingly. > > I do have one question... > > how can I navigate in a IM window in gaim?? thanks a million > > c > > ody > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willie Walker" > > > > To: "Orca screen reader developers" > > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:09 PM > > Subject: Re: tarting orca > > > > > >> Hi Cody: > >> > >> There could be several problems happening here. If speech isn't > >> working, you might need to debug that first. Here's a fast pass I > >> made > >> on the WIKI for debugging speech (please let me know of changes you > >> think would be helpful to make it clearer - I wrote it at night > >> when I > >> was kind of tired): > >> > >> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/GnomeSpeech > >> > >> If the goal is to start Orca when you log in, however, you have a > >> couple > >> of options. One is to tell your Linux distribution to not bring the > >> graphical login up when it boots. The method for doing this > >> unfortunately varies by distribution. With this option, you can add > >> orca to your ~/.xinitrc file and then start the graphical desktop > >> using > >> xinit. > >> > >> Another option is to bring up the System->Preferences->Sessions > >> application (also known as gnome-session-properties from the command > >> line) and add orca as a startup program. > >> > >> In either case, you might actually want to point to a script that > >> starts > >> orca - that way you can do some pre-run cleanup of stuff if needed > >> (e.g., kill synthesis drivers that might be hung and such). > >> Attached > >> is a script that does some of this pre-run cleanup. I'm not really > >> advocating its use too widely, though, because Orca should not > >> rely upon > >> this kind of thing for proper behavior. Instead, it should be > >> able to > >> gracefully recover from bad things as much as possible or at least > >> give > >> you an informative message about what's causing it pain. But, it > >> should > >> at least be able to help you get going. > >> > >> Will > >> > >> On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 12:12 -0700, C-DOG wrote: > >>> hi will, > >>> but what is a way to avoid this? I mean, running orca from the > >>> terminal > >>> probably wont' do the same thing will it? I have tried starting > >>> orca from > >>> the gnome terminal and minimising the terminal, and using it but > >>> get no > >>> speech. > >>> > >>> cody > >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willie Walker" > >>> > >>> To: "Orca screen reader developers" > >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 6:14 AM > >>> Subject: Re: tarting orca > >>> > >>> > >>> > Hi Cody: > >>> > > >>> > This looks like it might be related to a GTK+ crasher: > >>> > > >>> > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326362 > >>> > > >>> > The main culprit that makes it happen seems to be the run > >>> dialog. If > >>> > you can avoid doing that until the crasher is fixed by the gtk > >>> folks, > >>> > then things might go better for you. > >>> > > >>> > Hope this helps, > >>> > > >>> > Will > >>> > > >>> > On Tue, 2006-04-04 at 20:38 -0700, C-DOG wrote: > >>> >> actually I can get through the setup, if I type orca in the > >>> terminal > >>> >> then it will say welcome to orca. this does not happen in the run > >>> >> dialogue in the gui of gnome it just crashes the pannel.cody > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Mike > >>> Pedersen > >>> >> To: 'Orca screen reader developers' > >>> >> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 1:44 PM > >>> >> Subject: RE: tarting orca > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> Hello Cody, > >>> >> I have opened a terminal and typed > >>> >> > >>> >> orca-setup > >>> >> > >>> >> I get a prompt asking me which voice I want. I > >>> can't > >>> >> quite understand the 2 options, so I select > >>> one, then > >>> >> i am asked for speak echo charactors, I say Y > >>> for yes, > >>> >> after this I get no speech, what is going > >>> wrong? I > >>> >> have managed to get this far. I still can't > >>> get out of > >>> >> a terminal window, is there another type of > >>> setup I > >>> >> need to do? > >>> >> > >>> >> After you finish orca-setup you will not have > >>> speech > >>> >> until you type orca. What happens if you type > >>> orca in > >>> >> the terminal prompt? > >>> >> Mike > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> ______________________________________________________________ > >>> >> > >>> >> _______________________________________________ > >>> >> Orca-list mailing list > >>> >> Orca-list@gnome.org > >>> >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >>> >> _______________________________________________ > >>> >> Orca-list mailing list > >>> >> Orca-list@gnome.org > >>> >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >>> > > >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> > Orca-list mailing list > >>> > Orca-list@gnome.org > >>> > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Orca-list mailing list > >>> Orca-list@gnome.org > >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >> > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---------- > > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Orca-list mailing list > >> Orca-list@gnome.org > >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Orca-list mailing list > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From churst31@verizon.net Thu Apr 6 16:13:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 793203B1DDE for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 16:13:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05792-01 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 16:13:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net (vms040pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.40]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BFB53B1F78 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 16:13:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.46] ([72.78.33.118]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IXB002Q8HHLK5Y1@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for orca-list@gnome.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 15:13:01 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 11:12:58 -0400 From: Cody Hurst Subject: Re: tarting orca In-reply-to: <7E2267B5-2198-42A9-B6CB-01E9F2730C88@sun.com> To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: <1144336378.2642.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 (2.6.0-1) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <0IX500MNCYYXZJ@mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> <004c01c65862$617e3c20$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> <1144242869.30115.17.camel@localhost> <009801c658e4$f2f2e430$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> <1144267789.11676.23.camel@localhost> <00ca01c6590e$728bb310$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> <7E2267B5-2198-42A9-B6CB-01E9F2730C88@sun.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.584 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.447, BAYES_00=-2.599, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06=0.478, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -0.584 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 20:13:03 -0000 hi will, Oh no doubt the gnopernicus team is a great crew and it must be painful work making something like this, but I have compared the 2 and have found far more comfortability with orca believe it or not! I use the term loosly hopefully you didn't take it the wrong way ... In both gnopernicus and orca, there are some delays in speech in some programs, for example, when I have focus with orca on the desktop, then press alt control tab to switch to m task bar, it'll take about 5 seconds or so for a response. This is teh same case with gnopernicus... Also, in orca, when hitting escape out of a email message to go back to the inbox view, it takes a while for the focus to be regained... other then this, I see nothing but good and high spirits. I seriously think that the comment that I read about orca not truly being ready for a home user yet is a little under estimated. Orca has out performed gnopernicus in my opinion, and I love it and personally think that a home user would be ready for it and might I add its quicker at responding then gnopernicus. One thing about orca that does need improvement on is FireFox. This support is much better then gnopernicus's support for firefox, and I can actually read the links. I might also suggest that when browsing the web, links be spoken as something like this for example click here for link downloads now. instead of this click here for downloads now. I say this because no one will ever be able to tell what is a link and what isn't. I think that the way it looks, we can make orca interact with FF just like jaws will in windows. Just be able to arrow threw the website and be able to detect everything. Orca is deffiniately ready for integration with gnome later on. keep up the great work. btw...I am looking around the net for key commands I can use with orca, like the layer system in gnopernicus. might check out that new orca site that was mentioned... On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 07:15 -0400, Willie Walker wrote: > Cody: > > Glad to hear you got speech working. I'm not sure I'd feel > comfortable with someone calling Gnopernicus crappy and old (I've met > the team and they are a good bunch of folks), but I'm glad you > finally had some good success with Orca! > > Can you share your experiences with what was going wrong? Was it a > hung speech driver that you needed to kill, or was there something > else you needed to do? > > Will > > On Apr 5, 2006, at 8:10 PM, C-DOG wrote: > > > hi willie! > > I got speech working, its amazing. a lot better then crappy old > > gnopernicus, more responsive, and itsworks with evolution mazingly. > > I do have one question... > > how can I navigate in a IM window in gaim?? thanks a million > > c > > ody > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willie Walker" > > > > To: "Orca screen reader developers" > > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:09 PM > > Subject: Re: tarting orca > > > > > >> Hi Cody: > >> > >> There could be several problems happening here. If speech isn't > >> working, you might need to debug that first. Here's a fast pass I > >> made > >> on the WIKI for debugging speech (please let me know of changes you > >> think would be helpful to make it clearer - I wrote it at night > >> when I > >> was kind of tired): > >> > >> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/GnomeSpeech > >> > >> If the goal is to start Orca when you log in, however, you have a > >> couple > >> of options. One is to tell your Linux distribution to not bring the > >> graphical login up when it boots. The method for doing this > >> unfortunately varies by distribution. With this option, you can add > >> orca to your ~/.xinitrc file and then start the graphical desktop > >> using > >> xinit. > >> > >> Another option is to bring up the System->Preferences->Sessions > >> application (also known as gnome-session-properties from the command > >> line) and add orca as a startup program. > >> > >> In either case, you might actually want to point to a script that > >> starts > >> orca - that way you can do some pre-run cleanup of stuff if needed > >> (e.g., kill synthesis drivers that might be hung and such). > >> Attached > >> is a script that does some of this pre-run cleanup. I'm not really > >> advocating its use too widely, though, because Orca should not > >> rely upon > >> this kind of thing for proper behavior. Instead, it should be > >> able to > >> gracefully recover from bad things as much as possible or at least > >> give > >> you an informative message about what's causing it pain. But, it > >> should > >> at least be able to help you get going. > >> > >> Will > >> > >> On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 12:12 -0700, C-DOG wrote: > >>> hi will, > >>> but what is a way to avoid this? I mean, running orca from the > >>> terminal > >>> probably wont' do the same thing will it? I have tried starting > >>> orca from > >>> the gnome terminal and minimising the terminal, and using it but > >>> get no > >>> speech. > >>> > >>> cody > >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willie Walker" > >>> > >>> To: "Orca screen reader developers" > >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 6:14 AM > >>> Subject: Re: tarting orca > >>> > >>> > >>> > Hi Cody: > >>> > > >>> > This looks like it might be related to a GTK+ crasher: > >>> > > >>> > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326362 > >>> > > >>> > The main culprit that makes it happen seems to be the run > >>> dialog. If > >>> > you can avoid doing that until the crasher is fixed by the gtk > >>> folks, > >>> > then things might go better for you. > >>> > > >>> > Hope this helps, > >>> > > >>> > Will > >>> > > >>> > On Tue, 2006-04-04 at 20:38 -0700, C-DOG wrote: > >>> >> actually I can get through the setup, if I type orca in the > >>> terminal > >>> >> then it will say welcome to orca. this does not happen in the run > >>> >> dialogue in the gui of gnome it just crashes the pannel.cody > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Mike > >>> Pedersen > >>> >> To: 'Orca screen reader developers' > >>> >> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 1:44 PM > >>> >> Subject: RE: tarting orca > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> Hello Cody, > >>> >> I have opened a terminal and typed > >>> >> > >>> >> orca-setup > >>> >> > >>> >> I get a prompt asking me which voice I want. I > >>> can't > >>> >> quite understand the 2 options, so I select > >>> one, then > >>> >> i am asked for speak echo charactors, I say Y > >>> for yes, > >>> >> after this I get no speech, what is going > >>> wrong? I > >>> >> have managed to get this far. I still can't > >>> get out of > >>> >> a terminal window, is there another type of > >>> setup I > >>> >> need to do? > >>> >> > >>> >> After you finish orca-setup you will not have > >>> speech > >>> >> until you type orca. What happens if you type > >>> orca in > >>> >> the terminal prompt? > >>> >> Mike > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> ______________________________________________________________ > >>> >> > >>> >> _______________________________________________ > >>> >> Orca-list mailing list > >>> >> Orca-list@gnome.org > >>> >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >>> >> _______________________________________________ > >>> >> Orca-list mailing list > >>> >> Orca-list@gnome.org > >>> >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >>> > > >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> > Orca-list mailing list > >>> > Orca-list@gnome.org > >>> > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Orca-list mailing list > >>> Orca-list@gnome.org > >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >> > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---------- > > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Orca-list mailing list > >> Orca-list@gnome.org > >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Orca-list mailing list > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From alpuzz@gmail.com Thu Apr 6 16:26:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2C1B3B092D for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 16:26:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06561-06 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 16:26:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.239]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1109B3B167A for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 16:26:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i6so228931wra for ; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 13:26:48 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=oVl0if8EJND54NpT5qJbNfsOGWc2A8DIJy/gJkamjMwMJtf+n613NS9dQcNma+ZX8OTecx9482QpHSNHp+0zFhFtAKv/Mo/Tq9n6R09A+sPtQLWLfmBRg3bElZwYRsryG9ghZsk0uy1DcGwz4rnifv+gF6Lw8CvfcK6DIJhcviY= Received: by 10.54.98.19 with SMTP id v19mr11457wrb; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 13:25:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thinkpad ( [68.41.20.163]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 29sm194958wrl.2006.04.06.13.26.39; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 13:26:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001501c659b8$68feee70$6901a8c0@thinkpad> From: "Al Puzzuoli" To: "Orca screen reader developers" References: <0IX500MNCYYXZJ@mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com><004c01c65862$617e3c20$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6><1144242869.30115.17.camel@localhost><009801c658e4$f2f2e430$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6><1144267789.11676.23.camel@localhost><00ca01c6590e$728bb310$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6><8A0DC8C4-C7AB-4A4B-9821-89B524C710FE@sun.com><001501c659af$e72e7c10$6901a8c0@thinkpad> <1144335094.2642.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Subject: Re: Navigating GAIM (was Re: tarting orca) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2006 16:26:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.341 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.376, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.558, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -1.341 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 20:26:51 -0000 Hi Cody, Are you clicking on the link and launching it from within the email, or are you entering it into a web browser by hand? If you're entering it by hand, please insure that you pay attention to case as the URL is not all lower case. Thanks, --Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cody Hurst" To: "Orca screen reader developers" Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 10:51 AM Subject: Re: Navigating GAIM (was Re: tarting orca) > hi, > That link you posted tells me that the page doesn't even exist > yet? ??????????? its asking me to create a template?? > > cody > > On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 15:25 -0400, Al Puzzuoli wrote: >> For anyone interested, I just fleshed out the GAIM item in the wiki. >> It >> can be viewed at the following URL: >> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/GAIM >> >> --Al >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Willie Walker" >> To: "Orca screen reader developers" >> Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 7:44 AM >> Subject: Navigating GAIM (was Re: tarting orca) >> >> >> > Hi Cody: >> > >> > The IM window in GAIM is primarily two things: the chat area where the >> > conversation occurs and the text area where you type. There's other >> > stuff in there, however, such as a toolbar for smiley faces and a >> > horizontal rule. The script for GAIM will speak/braille the text and >> > chat areas automatically when they update, but you can use Orca's >> > "flat >> > review" keys to explore the window if you need to. To do so, use the >> > keypad keys: >> > >> > 7 - 8 - 9 read previous, read current, read next line >> > 4 - 5 - 6 read previous, read current, read next word >> > 1 - 2 - 3 read previous, read current, read next character >> > >> > You can also use the Orca modifier key (the "Insert" key) in >> > combination >> > of some of the keys. To do some exploring into what keys will do >> > what, >> > press "Insert+F1". This will take Orca into "Learn Mode." In learn >> > mode, you can press various keys and key combinations and Orca will >> > tell >> > you what they will do. To exit learn mode, press the "Escape" key. >> > >> > Hope this helps! >> > >> > Will >> > >> > On Apr 5, 2006, at 8:10 PM, C-DOG wrote: >> > >> >> hi willie! >> >> I got speech working, its amazing. a lot better then crappy old >> >> gnopernicus, more responsive, and itsworks with evolution mazingly. I >> >> do >> >> have one question... >> >> how can I navigate in a IM window in gaim?? thanks a million >> >> c >> >> ody >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willie Walker" >> >> >> >> To: "Orca screen reader developers" >> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:09 PM >> >> Subject: Re: tarting orca >> >> >> >> >> >>> Hi Cody: >> >>> >> >>> There could be several problems happening here. If speech isn't >> >>> working, you might need to debug that first. Here's a fast pass I >> >>> made >> >>> on the WIKI for debugging speech (please let me know of changes you >> >>> think would be helpful to make it clearer - I wrote it at night when >> >>> I >> >>> was kind of tired): >> >>> >> >>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/GnomeSpeech >> >>> >> >>> If the goal is to start Orca when you log in, however, you have a >> >>> couple >> >>> of options. One is to tell your Linux distribution to not bring the >> >>> graphical login up when it boots. The method for doing this >> >>> unfortunately varies by distribution. With this option, you can add >> >>> orca to your ~/.xinitrc file and then start the graphical desktop >> >>> using >> >>> xinit. >> >>> >> >>> Another option is to bring up the System->Preferences->Sessions >> >>> application (also known as gnome-session-properties from the command >> >>> line) and add orca as a startup program. >> >>> >> >>> In either case, you might actually want to point to a script that >> >>> starts >> >>> orca - that way you can do some pre-run cleanup of stuff if needed >> >>> (e.g., kill synthesis drivers that might be hung and such). >> >>> Attached >> >>> is a script that does some of this pre-run cleanup. I'm not really >> >>> advocating its use too widely, though, because Orca should not rely >> >>> upon >> >>> this kind of thing for proper behavior. Instead, it should be able >> >>> to >> >>> gracefully recover from bad things as much as possible or at least >> >>> give >> >>> you an informative message about what's causing it pain. But, it >> >>> should >> >>> at least be able to help you get going. >> >>> >> >>> Will >> >>> >> >>> On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 12:12 -0700, C-DOG wrote: >> >>>> hi will, >> >>>> but what is a way to avoid this? I mean, running orca from the >> >>>> terminal >> >>>> probably wont' do the same thing will it? I have tried starting >> >>>> orca >> >>>> from >> >>>> the gnome terminal and minimising the terminal, and using it but >> >>>> get >> >>>> no >> >>>> speech. >> >>>> >> >>>> cody >> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willie Walker" >> >>>> >> >>>> To: "Orca screen reader developers" >> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 6:14 AM >> >>>> Subject: Re: tarting orca >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> > Hi Cody: >> >>>> > >> >>>> > This looks like it might be related to a GTK+ crasher: >> >>>> > >> >>>> > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326362 >> >>>> > >> >>>> > The main culprit that makes it happen seems to be the run >> >>>> dialog. If >> >>>> > you can avoid doing that until the crasher is fixed by the gtk >> >>>> folks, >> >>>> > then things might go better for you. >> >>>> > >> >>>> > Hope this helps, >> >>>> > >> >>>> > Will >> >>>> > >> >>>> > On Tue, 2006-04-04 at 20:38 -0700, C-DOG wrote: >> >>>> >> actually I can get through the setup, if I type orca in the >> >>>> terminal >> >>>> >> then it will say welcome to orca. this does not happen in the run >> >>>> >> dialogue in the gui of gnome it just crashes the pannel.cody >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Mike >> >>>> Pedersen >> >>>> >> To: 'Orca screen reader developers' >> >>>> >> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 1:44 PM >> >>>> >> Subject: RE: tarting orca >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> Hello Cody, >> >>>> >> I have opened a terminal and typed >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> orca-setup >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> I get a prompt asking me which voice I want. I >> >>>> can't >> >>>> >> quite understand the 2 options, so I select >> >>>> one, then >> >>>> >> i am asked for speak echo charactors, I say Y >> >>>> for yes, >> >>>> >> after this I get no speech, what is going >> >>>> wrong? I >> >>>> >> have managed to get this far. I still can't >> >>>> get out of >> >>>> >> a terminal window, is there another type of >> >>>> setup I >> >>>> >> need to do? >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> After you finish orca-setup you will not have >> >>>> speech >> >>>> >> until you type orca. What happens if you type >> >>>> orca in >> >>>> >> the terminal prompt? >> >>>> >> Mike >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> >> Orca-list mailing list >> >>>> >> Orca-list@gnome.org >> >>>> >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> >> Orca-list mailing list >> >>>> >> Orca-list@gnome.org >> >>>> >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> >>>> > >> >>>> > _______________________________________________ >> >>>> > Orca-list mailing list >> >>>> > Orca-list@gnome.org >> >>>> > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> Orca-list mailing list >> >>>> Orca-list@gnome.org >> >>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> ---------- >> >> >> >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Orca-list mailing list >> >>> Orca-list@gnome.org >> >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Orca-list mailing list >> >> Orca-list@gnome.org >> >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Orca-list mailing list >> > Orca-list@gnome.org >> > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Orca-list mailing list >> Orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From renger@carolina.rr.com Thu Apr 6 16:38:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBF683B2E87 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 16:38:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07286-01 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 16:38:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ms-smtp-04-eri0.southeast.rr.com (ms-smtp-04-lbl.southeast.rr.com [24.25.9.103]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8FAD3B17DD for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 16:38:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darkness.carolina.rr.com (cpe-071-068-068-168.carolina.res.rr.com [71.68.68.168]) by ms-smtp-04-eri0.southeast.rr.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k36KbwEh015641 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 16:37:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060406163743.037264f0@carolina.rr.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 16:37:57 -0400 To: Orca screen reader developers From: Ricky Enger Subject: Re: Navigating GAIM (was Re: tarting orca) In-Reply-To: <001501c659af$e72e7c10$6901a8c0@thinkpad> References: <0IX500MNCYYXZJ@mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> <004c01c65862$617e3c20$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> <1144242869.30115.17.camel@localhost> <009801c658e4$f2f2e430$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> <1144267789.11676.23.camel@localhost> <00ca01c6590e$728bb310$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> <8A0DC8C4-C7AB-4A4B-9821-89B524C710FE@sun.com> <001501c659af$e72e7c10$6901a8c0@thinkpad> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.83 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.427, BAYES_05=-1.11, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -0.83 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 20:38:05 -0000 Hi all, While on the subject of GAIM, I'm experiencing a minor issue that I'm curious to see if anyone else has encountered. I've added three accounts which show up in the combo box of the login frame. I can activate the combo box, choose the account I want, and return to the login frame. At this point, no matter which account I've chosen, Orca reports that the first account in the list has been selected. In reality, the account I actually chose is highlighted and I'm able to log in with no problem. Again, just wondering if this is common or a strange issue specific to my setup. Thanks, Ricky From William.Walker@Sun.COM Thu Apr 6 17:06:02 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C25383B167C for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 17:05:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08226-07 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 17:05:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com (brmea-mail-1.Sun.COM [192.18.98.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D49FE3B009A for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 17:05:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-03.sun.com ([192.18.108.177]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k36L5p3d029318 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:05:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IXB00E01J6CFD00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 15:05:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IXB001EOJXQ56L3@mail-amer.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 15:05:51 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 17:05:49 -0400 From: Willie Walker Subject: RE: Orca rolenames too long for braille? In-reply-to: <0IXB002IVDWB2W@mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: <1144357549.6950.24.camel@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <0IXB002IVDWB2W@mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.578 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.020, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.578 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 21:06:02 -0000 Hi: If you want to experiment with the current abbreviated rolenames for braille, you can add the following line to your ~/.orca/user-settings.py file: brailleRolenameStyle=0 Hope this helps, and like Mike, I'm interested in hearing the community's preferences here. Thanks! Will On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 11:55 -0700, Mike Pedersen wrote: > Hi Javier > > > About saving extra space on our maximum 80 character braille > > display, I have noted that now the role is shown as same > > speech and braille. For example "button" it's spoken and the > > same is written into the braille display. > > One suggest would be to abbreviate the rolenames for braille > > presentation. button = btn, checkbox = chk, etc. > We are planning to add braille verbosity levels to handle this. If the > community feels that abbreviations are generally a better idea I'm opened to > making them the default. > > About display or not display extra information I would let to > > the different verbosity levels would be it possible? > > For example, in the planner application if verbosity level is > > set to maximum then speak the labels and not braille tehm, etc. > > There are users that cannot ear the speech but can read braille. > Can you please elaborate on this one I'm not sure I understand what you mean > here. > Thanks for the feedback > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From William.Walker@Sun.COM Thu Apr 6 17:18:32 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FADA3B1765 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 17:18:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09275-04 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 17:18:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 202713B167A for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 17:18:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-06.sun.com ([192.18.108.180]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k36LITZe022904 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:18:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IXB00001K4XXW00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 15:18:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IXB0075TKISM874@mail-amer.sun.com>; Thu, 06 Apr 2006 15:18:29 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 17:18:27 -0400 From: Willie Walker Subject: Re: Orca what went wrong? In-reply-to: <20060406192121.GA24556@false> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: frank@carmickle.com, Orca screen reader developers Message-id: <1144358307.6950.36.camel@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <20060406192121.GA24556@false> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.579 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.019, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.579 X-Spam-Level: Cc: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2006 21:18:32 -0000 Hi Frank: This looks like gnome-speech isn't very happy or that the ORBit stuff for gnome-speech isn't being found by Python. Try typing the following commands in the python shell (just type 'python' at the command line and press return): import bonobo import ORBit ORBit.load_typelib("GNOME_Speech") These commands shouldn't give you any errors. If it does, let me know. My guess is that you built/put gnome-speech in /usr/local, which also put the gnome-speech ORBit stuff in /usr/local/lib/orbit-2.0/, which probably cannot be found by PyORBit. If this is the case, I'm not sure of the magic incantations or environment variables to set to tell PyORBit to find things in places besides /usr/lib/orbit-2.0/, and the only advice I can give is to try to rebuild/install both gnome-speech and orca using "--prefix=/usr". Hope this helps, Will On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 15:21 -0400, Frank J. Carmickle wrote: > Hi Willie and all > > I have been trying to get orca to run for the last 3 days. I keep updating cvs thinking that I may just have checked at a time with bugs. I seem to get the same kind of errors over and over again. Test-speech works fine. Here's the output of orca-setup. Looks like it is a problem with my python setup? > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/speech.py", line 49, in getSpeechServerFactories > ['']) > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/gnomespeechfactory.py", line 36, in ? > atspi.ORBit.load_typelib('GNOME_Speech') > RuntimeError: could not load typelib > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/speech.py", line 85, in init ['']) > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/gnomespeechfactory.py", line 36, in ? > atspi.ORBit.load_typelib('GNOME_Speech') > RuntimeError: could not load typelib > > > > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/local/bin/orca-setup", line 282, in ? > useSpeech = setupSpeech() > File "/usr/local/bin/orca-setup", line 130, in setupSpeech > speech.init() > File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/orca/speech.py", line 95, in init __speechserver = factory.SpeechServer.getSpeechServer() > AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'SpeechServer' > > My setup is debian unstable with very recent updates. > > Thanks for the help. > --Frank > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From buchal@ferda.buchal.name Fri Apr 7 00:54:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA3403B00E1 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 00:54:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30062-04 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 00:54:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ferda.buchal.name (pha-84-242-65-75.karneval.cz [84.242.65.75]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C223E3B0138 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 00:54:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 11281 invoked by uid 1000); 7 Apr 2006 06:54:28 +0200 To: frank@carmickle.com Subject: Re: Orca what went wrong? From: Jan Buchal Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 06:51:28 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20060406192121.GA24556@false> (Frank J. Carmickle's message of "Thu, 6 Apr 2006 15:21:21 -0400") Message-ID: <8764lmhttb.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> References: <20060406192121.GA24556@false> Lines: 19 User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.446 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.018, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.446 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Orca screen reader developers X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 04:54:40 -0000 >>>>> "FJC" == Frank J Carmickle writes: FJC> Hi Willie and all I have been trying to get orca to run for the FJC> last 3 days. I keep updating cvs thinking that I may just have FJC> checked at a time with bugs. I seem to get the same kind of FJC> errors over and over again. Test-speech works fine. Here's the FJC> output of orca-setup. Looks like it is a problem with my python FJC> setup? I think that problem is with PATH. You can try ./configure --prefix=/usr before make orca. Unfortunately is not possible install orca in /usr/local, I don't know why. -- Jan Buchal Tel: (00420) 24 24 86 008 Mob: (00420) 608023021 From FDMA@once.es Fri Apr 7 03:17:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D691B3B01EA for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 03:17:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03391-10 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 03:17:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx.once.es (mx.once.es [217.149.152.66]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B65C53B00FB for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 03:17:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omail01.once.org (unknown [172.24.1.51]) by mx.once.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2683335E for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 09:18:20 +0200 (MEST) Received: by OMAIL01.once.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 09:17:53 +0200 Message-ID: <178EEBC4C5E55548A84E8B18F52AF80010E06D04@omailcl.once.org> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Dorado_Mart=EDnez=2C_Francisco_Javier=22?= To: Orca screen reader developers Subject: RE: Orca rolenames too long for braille? Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 09:17:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.54 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.059, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.54 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 07:17:58 -0000 Hi to all Mike, I meant that information for locus of focus has to be spoken and brailled the same.. If focus is on a toggle button with an associated label, the label and the role (toggle button) I think has to be spoken and brailled. I understood Rich that this extra information would be speak and not brailled, and in this case a person that can only read braille will not access this extra information. My question would be now What is extra information? Thank you very much, now I set the brailleRoleStyle and the roles are well presented btn, cbo, chk.... Good! Regards, Javier. -----Mensaje original----- De: Mike Pedersen [mailto:Michael.Pedersen@Sun.COM] Enviado el: jueves, 06 de abril de 2006 20:55 Para: 'Orca screen reader developers' Asunto: RE: Orca rolenames too long for braille? Hi Javier > About saving extra space on our maximum 80 character braille > display, I have noted that now the role is shown as same > speech and braille. For example "button" it's spoken and the > same is written into the braille display. > One suggest would be to abbreviate the rolenames for braille > presentation. button = btn, checkbox = chk, etc. We are planning to add braille verbosity levels to handle this. If the community feels that abbreviations are generally a better idea I'm opened to making them the default. > About display or not display extra information I would let to > the different verbosity levels would be it possible? > For example, in the planner application if verbosity level is > set to maximum then speak the labels and not braille tehm, etc. > There are users that cannot ear the speech but can read braille. Can you please elaborate on this one I'm not sure I understand what you mean here. Thanks for the feedback Mike _______________________________________________ Orca-list mailing list Orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From FDMA@once.es Fri Apr 7 04:21:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6C783B028D for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 04:21:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07603-03 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 04:21:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx.once.es (mx.once.es [217.149.152.66]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AA5D3B0257 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 04:21:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omail01.once.org (unknown [172.24.1.51]) by mx.once.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAB2E301A for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:22:15 +0200 (MEST) Received: by OMAIL01.once.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:21:48 +0200 Message-ID: <178EEBC4C5E55548A84E8B18F52AF80010E06E55@omailcl.once.org> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Dorado_Mart=EDnez=2C_Francisco_Javier=22?= To: Orca screen reader developers Subject: RE: Start to scripting Orca Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:21:48 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.549 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.050, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.549 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 08:21:55 -0000 Hi all Willem, here is step by step: 1. Open planner. 2. To add a task press the tasks toggle button. 3. go to the table where the tasks are by tabbing. 4. Press control + i (a new task will be created). 5. In the task table left and right arrow to fill up the task = information (name, weeks, start date, end date... Etc). You have to press spacebar = on the differents fields to edit. 6. To add a resource activate the resources toggle button. 7. go to resources table by tabbing. 8. Press control + i to insert a resource 9. Right and left arrow to fill the information spacebar on the fields. 10. To assign a task a resource go back to tasks toggle button 11. Go to the table where the taks are=20 12. On a task display the poppup menu by pressing shift + f10 13. Down arrow until "assign a resource" 14. Here is the problem.... A new dialog appears to select resources, by tabbing you arrives to a splitPane with a unknown role on it that represent the resources and = ATSPI can not obtain information. I think this is a custom component that = needs to implement ATK so a new bug has to be filed for planner. Perhaps I don't = know enough information to file this, Rich Can you file it?=20 Thanks Regards, Javier =20 =20 -----Mensaje original----- De: Willem van der Walt [mailto:wvdwalt@csir.co.za]=20 Enviado el: jueves, 06 de abril de 2006 14:24 Para: Orca screen reader developers Asunto: RE: Start to scripting Orca Hi, Thanks, it did help. It would be very helpfull if you could go through the adding of a task, = resource, etc. with key strokes. I am now stuck at assigning a = resource=20 to the task. The other task things was text entry fields, but this one, = I=20 suppose give a list of already entered resources. I do not get that = list. I have checked in the saved file and the one resource which I have added=20 before is there. Thanks so far. Regards, Willem On Thu, 6 Apr 2006, "Dorado Mart=EDnez, Francisco Javier" wrote: > Hi to all > > Willem you have to firstly activate whatever toggle button you want,=20 > tasks, resources, etc Then to add and entry you have to go to the=20 > toolbar by tabbing the application and look for a "insert task" = button=20 > so a new task is inserted before you press it. > Then you can go to the table showing the new task information, and = press > spacebar over the columns you want to modify. In the toolbar also = there's > another unlabeled toggle button that if you press shows a popup menu = to add, > remove or whatever action on the selected item. > > Hope this clarify > > Regards, > > Javier. > > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: Willem van der Walt [mailto:wvdwalt@csir.co.za] > Enviado el: jueves, 06 de abril de 2006 13:18 > Para: Rich Burridge > CC: Orca screen reader developers > Asunto: Re: Start to scripting Orca > > > Hi, > Thanks for the detailed answer > and the script. > I grabbed Orca from CVS. The make install did not put the new=20 > planner.py script into its place, but when copied there it worked. I=20 > am still rather lost in the program though. I think I have=20 > successfully added a resource, but will first have to check if it is=20 > actually added as a resource in the saved project file. Planner uses = > xml to store the data in, so it is easy to check. I cannot seem to = get=20 > to the text entry fields for entering tasks. Does the no focus = message=20 > mean that Orca is lost as well? Thanks again for all the trouble you = > took so far. Regards, Willem > > > On Wed, 5 Apr 2006, Rich Burridge wrote: > >> Willem van der Walt wrote: >>> I have just now tried to use planner, a project management tool. = It=20 >>> sounds like it should be usable with some scripting. >> >> Yes. >> >>> The problem is that I am new to gnome and orca of course. What is=20 >>> happening is that the thing says "toggel button pressed" or not=20 >>> pressed when arrowing up and down. >> >> I see/hear this too. Visually there is a column of toggle buttons=20 >> with graphical images down the left side of the main planner window. = >> They have text below them: >> >> Gantt Chart >> Tasks >> Resources >> Resource Usage >> >> Unfortunately that text is not currently available to Orca to read. >> >> Now if I look at the component hierarchy with at-poke, I can see = that=20 >> that panel on the left is filled with a load of fillers each=20 >> containing a toggle button and a label. This will be enough to allow = >> us to get to the text describing each toggle button. >> >>> Above the line, a description occurs according to the 7 key on the=20 >>> numpad. As I understand it, one can now write a script to=20 >>> automaticly speak the description together with the status of the=20 >>> button. >> >> Unfortunately it's not going to be as simple as that. The person(s)=20 >> that wrote planner should have used a LABEL_FOR relationship to=20 >> associated the label with the toggle button. I've filed bug #337382 >> (http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D337382) against planner = on=20 >> this. >> >> Having said that, we can easily workaround this with an Orca script=20 >> for planner. >> >>> Is this correct and is there an example script which might already=20 >>> handle this situation? >> >> Not exactly, but there are one that would make a good starting = point.=20 >> Evolution has similar code in it. For something like this, I would=20 >> start with that. More on this below. >> >>> Can one copy an existing script to the name of a new application=20 >>> to have orca call it when the new application is opened? >> >> Yes. To do a proper job (i.e. so that others can take advantage of=20 >> this work), >> one would need to create a new script in the = .../orca/src/orca/scripts >> directory >> called planner.py It could start off as a copy of one of the other > scripts >> in >> that directory. You would also need to modify the Makefile.am file = in=20 >> that directory, to make sure that the new script name was added to=20 >> the orca_python_PYTHON definition. This means that it would=20 >> automatically get installed in a location where Python can find it. >> >> So here's what needs to be done to get this to work. I'll create an=20 >> initial planner.py script with the following in it. >> >> class Script(default.Script): >> >> def __init__(self, app): >> >> default.Script.__init__(self, app) >> >> Note that the real planner.py will have a load of extra things in it = >> like the initial copyright message, plus comments, debug messages = and=20 >> import lines, but in order to try to keep it simple, I'll leave that = >> out here. >> >> Now what we are interested in is when the focus is on one of those=20 >> four toggle buttons. To do this from within the planner.py script, = we=20 >> need to subclass the onFocus() method. When that method is called, = we=20 >> check the hierarchy of the component that currently has focus to see = >> if it matches what we want. To find out what we want, I would have=20 >> previously run Planner with Orca and hit Insert-F7 when the focus = was=20 >> at one of the toggle buttons in Planner. Doing that I determined = that=20 >> the component hierarchy I needed to be looking for > is: >> >> toggle button >> filler >> filler >> panel >> panel >> filler >> filler >> frame >> application >> >> I only need to use enough of these to make it unique. >> >> Also, if it's a focus event for planner but it isn't this kind, then = >> we just want to pass >> it off to the parent class. >> >> This gives the following code: >> >> def onFocus(self, event): >> >> rolesList =3D [rolenames.ROLE_TOGGLE_BUTTON, \ >> rolenames.ROLE_FILLER, \ >> rolenames.ROLE_FILLER, \ >> rolenames.ROLE_PANEL, \ >> rolenames.ROLE_PANEL] >> if util.isDesiredFocusedItem(event.source, rolesList): >> ... handle this focus event ... >> return >> >> default.Script.onFocus(self, event) >> >> >> Now we need to fill in the ".. handle this focus event ..." part. >> >> What we want to do is use the filler component that is the parent of = >> the toggle button that current has focus. It's other child will be=20 >> the label that describes this toggle button. We want to get a handle = >> to that, extract the label and speak it. Here's the code that does=20 >> that: >> >> filler =3D event.source.parent >> allLabels =3D atspi.findByRole(filler, = rolenames.ROLE_LABEL) >> speech.speak(allLabels[0].name) >> return >> >> We just use allLabels[0] because we know that there is only going to = >> be one label found. >> >> I've checked in the full version of this script in CVS HEAD for = Orca.=20 >> I've also attached it to this message. If you place this in the=20 >> installed location for your Orca scripts, then it should work for=20 >> you. Or just check out the very latest version of Orca from CVS HEAD = >> and configure, build and install it. >> >> As you navigate Planner with Orca, I expect you to find other places = >> where it's not providing enough information. Hopefully we'll be able = >> to file bugs against Planner so that they properly fix up these=20 >> problems. We should also hopefully be able to provide script=20 >> workarounds to improve the usability as well. >> >>> ps. Where does user questions for orca go? >> >> This is a great place to ask questions like this. The mailing list = is=20 >> archived. We can now point people back to this email. >> >> > > -- > This message is subject to the CSIR's copyright, terms and conditions = and > e-mail legal notice. 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From FDMA@once.es Fri Apr 7 04:41:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA5843B028F for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 04:41:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08613-08 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 04:41:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx.once.es (mx.once.es [217.149.152.66]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 678863B027C for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 04:41:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omail01.once.org (unknown [172.24.1.51]) by mx.once.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD3343141 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:42:06 +0200 (MEST) Received: by OMAIL01.once.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:41:39 +0200 Message-ID: <178EEBC4C5E55548A84E8B18F52AF80010E06EDC@omailcl.once.org> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Dorado_Mart=EDnez=2C_Francisco_Javier=22?= To: orca-list@gnome.org Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:41:39 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.556 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.043, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.556 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Orca An user setting for saying time and date. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 08:41:46 -0000 Hi all Thanks Willie, I made my personal keystroke, this is great Altough a more friendly way would be better I think this will come in the future.... So this is my user-settings.py keystroke if someone is interested I share it: Import time import orca.braille import orca.input_event import orca.keybindings import orca.orca import orca.speech from orca_i18n import _ #Here I make the process def sayTime (script, inputEvent=None): timedateString = time.strftime(_("It's") + " " + "%H" + " " + _("and") + " " + "%M" + ". " +_("today") + " " + _("is") + "%A, %d %m %Y",time.localtime()) orca.speech.speak(timedateString) timedateString = strftime("%H:%M %a %d/%m/%Y",time.localtime()) orca.braille.displayMessage(timedateString) return True sayTimeHandler=orca.input_event.InputEventHandler(sayTime,"Speaks and brailles time and date.") mykeybindings=orca.keybindings.KeyBindings() mykeybindings.add(orca.keybindings.KeyBinding("F10",1 << orca.orca.MODIFIER_ORCA, 1 << orca.orca.MODIFIER_ORCA,sayTimeHandler)) keyBindingsMap = {} keyBindingsMap["default"] = mykeybindings #end Regards, Javier From wvdwalt@csir.co.za Fri Apr 7 04:56:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C2903B024A for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 04:56:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08890-09 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 04:55:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from apollo.csir.co.za (mx-4.csir.co.za [146.64.10.99]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C567D3B0255 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 04:55:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([146.64.19.125]) by apollo.csir.co.za (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k378tVLt026516 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:55:31 +0200 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k378rxIg022767 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:53:59 +0200 Received: from localhost (wvdwalt@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id k378rxdc022761 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:53:59 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: wvdwalt owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:53:59 +0200 (SAST) From: Willem van der Walt X-X-Sender: wvdwalt@localhost.localdomain To: Orca screen reader developers Subject: RE: Start to scripting Orca In-Reply-To: <178EEBC4C5E55548A84E8B18F52AF80010E06E55@omailcl.once.org> Message-ID: References: <178EEBC4C5E55548A84E8B18F52AF80010E06E55@omailcl.once.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="8323328-908074040-1144400039=:19370" X-CSIR-MailScanner-Information: Please contact sys-admin at csir dot co dot za for more information X-CSIR-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: wvdwalt@csir.co.za X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.526 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.073, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.526 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 08:56:00 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --8323328-908074040-1144400039=:19370 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Thanks a lot this will help a lot. I have succeded in assigning a resource to the task by going to resource=20 usage and adding it there, but it was more luck than skill. Regards, Willem On Fri, 7 Apr 2006, "Dorado Mart=EDnez, Francisco Javier" wrote: > Hi all > > Willem, here is step by step: > > 1. Open planner. > 2. To add a task press the tasks toggle button. > 3. go to the table where the tasks are by tabbing. > 4. Press control + i (a new task will be created). > 5. In the task table left and right arrow to fill up the task information > (name, weeks, start date, end date... Etc). You have to press spacebar on > the differents fields to edit. > 6. To add a resource activate the resources toggle button. > 7. go to resources table by tabbing. > 8. Press control + i to insert a resource > 9. Right and left arrow to fill the information spacebar on the fields. > 10. To assign a task a resource go back to tasks toggle button > 11. Go to the table where the taks are > 12. On a task display the poppup menu by pressing shift + f10 > 13. Down arrow until "assign a resource" > 14. Here is the problem.... > > A new dialog appears to select resources, by tabbing you arrives to a > splitPane with a unknown role on it that represent the resources and ATS= PI > can not obtain information. I think this is a custom component that needs= to > implement ATK so a new bug has to be filed for planner. Perhaps I don't k= now > enough information to file this, Rich Can you file it? > > Thanks > > Regards, > > Javier > > > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: Willem van der Walt [mailto:wvdwalt@csir.co.za] > Enviado el: jueves, 06 de abril de 2006 14:24 > Para: Orca screen reader developers > Asunto: RE: Start to scripting Orca > > > > Hi, > Thanks, it did help. > It would be very helpfull if you could go through the adding of a task, > resource, etc. with key strokes. I am now stuck at assigning a resource > to the task. The other task things was text entry fields, but this one, I > suppose give a list of already entered resources. I do not get that list.= I > have checked in the saved file and the one resource which I have added > before is there. > Thanks so far. > Regards, Willem > > On Thu, 6 Apr 2006, "Dorado Mart=EDnez, Francisco Javier" wrote: > >> Hi to all >> >> Willem you have to firstly activate whatever toggle button you want, >> tasks, resources, etc Then to add and entry you have to go to the >> toolbar by tabbing the application and look for a "insert task" button >> so a new task is inserted before you press it. >> Then you can go to the table showing the new task information, and press >> spacebar over the columns you want to modify. In the toolbar also there's >> another unlabeled toggle button that if you press shows a popup menu to > add, >> remove or whatever action on the selected item. >> >> Hope this clarify >> >> Regards, >> >> Javier. >> >> >> -----Mensaje original----- >> De: Willem van der Walt [mailto:wvdwalt@csir.co.za] >> Enviado el: jueves, 06 de abril de 2006 13:18 >> Para: Rich Burridge >> CC: Orca screen reader developers >> Asunto: Re: Start to scripting Orca >> >> >> Hi, >> Thanks for the detailed answer >> and the script. >> I grabbed Orca from CVS. The make install did not put the new >> planner.py script into its place, but when copied there it worked. I >> am still rather lost in the program though. I think I have >> successfully added a resource, but will first have to check if it is >> actually added as a resource in the saved project file. Planner uses >> xml to store the data in, so it is easy to check. I cannot seem to get >> to the text entry fields for entering tasks. Does the no focus message >> mean that Orca is lost as well? Thanks again for all the trouble you >> took so far. Regards, Willem >> >> >> On Wed, 5 Apr 2006, Rich Burridge wrote: >> >>> Willem van der Walt wrote: >>>> I have just now tried to use planner, a project management tool. It >>>> sounds like it should be usable with some scripting. >>> >>> Yes. >>> >>>> The problem is that I am new to gnome and orca of course. What is >>>> happening is that the thing says "toggel button pressed" or not >>>> pressed when arrowing up and down. >>> >>> I see/hear this too. Visually there is a column of toggle buttons >>> with graphical images down the left side of the main planner window. >>> They have text below them: >>> >>> Gantt Chart >>> Tasks >>> Resources >>> Resource Usage >>> >>> Unfortunately that text is not currently available to Orca to read. >>> >>> Now if I look at the component hierarchy with at-poke, I can see that >>> that panel on the left is filled with a load of fillers each >>> containing a toggle button and a label. This will be enough to allow >>> us to get to the text describing each toggle button. >>> >>>> Above the line, a description occurs according to the 7 key on the >>>> numpad. As I understand it, one can now write a script to >>>> automaticly speak the description together with the status of the >>>> button. >>> >>> Unfortunately it's not going to be as simple as that. The person(s) >>> that wrote planner should have used a LABEL_FOR relationship to >>> associated the label with the toggle button. I've filed bug #337382 >>> (http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D337382) against planner on >>> this. >>> >>> Having said that, we can easily workaround this with an Orca script >>> for planner. >>> >>>> Is this correct and is there an example script which might already >>>> handle this situation? >>> >>> Not exactly, but there are one that would make a good starting point. >>> Evolution has similar code in it. For something like this, I would >>> start with that. More on this below. >>> >>>> Can one copy an existing script to the name of a new application >>>> to have orca call it when the new application is opened? >>> >>> Yes. To do a proper job (i.e. so that others can take advantage of >>> this work), >>> one would need to create a new script in the .../orca/src/orca/scripts >>> directory >>> called planner.py It could start off as a copy of one of the other >> scripts >>> in >>> that directory. You would also need to modify the Makefile.am file in >>> that directory, to make sure that the new script name was added to >>> the orca_python_PYTHON definition. This means that it would >>> automatically get installed in a location where Python can find it. >>> >>> So here's what needs to be done to get this to work. I'll create an >>> initial planner.py script with the following in it. >>> >>> class Script(default.Script): >>> >>> def __init__(self, app): >>> >>> default.Script.__init__(self, app) >>> >>> Note that the real planner.py will have a load of extra things in it >>> like the initial copyright message, plus comments, debug messages and >>> import lines, but in order to try to keep it simple, I'll leave that >>> out here. >>> >>> Now what we are interested in is when the focus is on one of those >>> four toggle buttons. To do this from within the planner.py script, we >>> need to subclass the onFocus() method. When that method is called, we >>> check the hierarchy of the component that currently has focus to see >>> if it matches what we want. To find out what we want, I would have >>> previously run Planner with Orca and hit Insert-F7 when the focus was >>> at one of the toggle buttons in Planner. Doing that I determined that >>> the component hierarchy I needed to be looking for >> is: >>> >>> toggle button >>> filler >>> filler >>> panel >>> panel >>> filler >>> filler >>> frame >>> application >>> >>> I only need to use enough of these to make it unique. >>> >>> Also, if it's a focus event for planner but it isn't this kind, then >>> we just want to pass >>> it off to the parent class. >>> >>> This gives the following code: >>> >>> def onFocus(self, event): >>> >>> rolesList =3D [rolenames.ROLE_TOGGLE_BUTTON, \ >>> rolenames.ROLE_FILLER, \ >>> rolenames.ROLE_FILLER, \ >>> rolenames.ROLE_PANEL, \ >>> rolenames.ROLE_PANEL] >>> if util.isDesiredFocusedItem(event.source, rolesList): >>> ... handle this focus event ... >>> return >>> >>> default.Script.onFocus(self, event) >>> >>> >>> Now we need to fill in the ".. handle this focus event ..." part. >>> >>> What we want to do is use the filler component that is the parent of >>> the toggle button that current has focus. It's other child will be >>> the label that describes this toggle button. We want to get a handle >>> to that, extract the label and speak it. Here's the code that does >>> that: >>> >>> filler =3D event.source.parent >>> allLabels =3D atspi.findByRole(filler, rolenames.ROLE_LABEL) >>> speech.speak(allLabels[0].name) >>> return >>> >>> We just use allLabels[0] because we know that there is only going to >>> be one label found. >>> >>> I've checked in the full version of this script in CVS HEAD for Orca. >>> I've also attached it to this message. If you place this in the >>> installed location for your Orca scripts, then it should work for >>> you. Or just check out the very latest version of Orca from CVS HEAD >>> and configure, build and install it. >>> >>> As you navigate Planner with Orca, I expect you to find other places >>> where it's not providing enough information. Hopefully we'll be able >>> to file bugs against Planner so that they properly fix up these >>> problems. 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MailScanner thanks Transtec Computers for the= ir support. --8323328-908074040-1144400039=:19370-- From William.Walker@Sun.COM Fri Apr 7 08:37:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8DA33B0344 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 08:37:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23633-01 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 08:37:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com (brmea-mail-1.Sun.COM [192.18.98.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B8353B02F8 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 08:37:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-03.sun.com ([192.18.108.177]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k37CbJ3d016664 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 06:37:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IXC00601PCLK200@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 06:37:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IXC003IBR26XSW4@mail-amer.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 06:37:19 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 08:37:16 -0400 From: Willie Walker Subject: Re: Orca what went wrong? In-reply-to: <8764lmhttb.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: <1144413436.6950.57.camel@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <20060406192121.GA24556@false> <8764lmhttb.fsf@ferda.brailcom.xx> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.579 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.019, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.579 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:37:23 -0000 Hi All: It is indeed possible to install/use Orca from places other than /usr. For more information on what you need to do (basically set PYTHONPATH), please refer to the "Do I have to install into /usr?" question of the FAQ: http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions I think the underlying problem here is that the moon and the stars needs to be aligned for gnome-speech and PyORBit to play well with each other. I'm guessing there probably is some environment variable that needs to be set (LD_LIBRARY_PATH?), but I've never really figured this out. There are people far more passionate about not using --prefix=/usr than I am - I'm wondering if they may be able to help out here? Will On Fri, 2006-04-07 at 06:51 +0200, Jan Buchal wrote: > >>>>> "FJC" == Frank J Carmickle writes: > > FJC> Hi Willie and all I have been trying to get orca to run for the > FJC> last 3 days. I keep updating cvs thinking that I may just have > FJC> checked at a time with bugs. I seem to get the same kind of > FJC> errors over and over again. Test-speech works fine. Here's the > FJC> output of orca-setup. Looks like it is a problem with my python > FJC> setup? > I think that problem is with PATH. You can try ./configure --prefix=/usr > before make orca. Unfortunately is not possible install orca in > /usr/local, I don't know why. > > From Michael.Pedersen@Sun.COM Fri Apr 7 09:23:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 139D43B0394 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 09:23:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27294-05 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 09:22:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com (brmea-mail-1.Sun.COM [192.18.98.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF99C3B32BD for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 09:22:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phys-mpk-2 ([129.146.11.82]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k37DMv3d012969 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 07:22:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com by mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.24 (built Dec 19 2003)) id <0IXC00801T626H@mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> (original mail from Michael.Pedersen@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 06:22:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toshiba (vpn-129-150-21-150.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.150.21.150]) by mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.24 (built Dec 19 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IXC00EUIT683X@mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 06:22:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 06:22:57 -0700 From: Mike Pedersen Subject: RE: Orca rolenames too long for braille? In-reply-to: <178EEBC4C5E55548A84E8B18F52AF80010E06D04@omailcl.once.org> To: "'Orca screen reader developers'" Message-id: <0IXC00EUJT683X@mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcZaE28DJ6dQ2tSxSWqbIkCWvp1i3gAMon3Q X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.473 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.125, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.473 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:23:01 -0000 Hi, > Mike, I meant that information for locus of focus has to be > spoken and brailled the same.. If focus is on a toggle button > with an associated label, the label and the role (toggle > button) I think has to be spoken and brailled. Will explained to me what this control looks like and I agree with what you are saying needs to be on the braille display. > I understood Rich that this extra information would be speak > and not brailled, and in this case a person that can only > read braille will not access this extra information. > My question would be now > What is extra information? The extra information I was referring to is information such as static text. Mike From Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM Fri Apr 7 11:35:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51E213B04E7 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 11:35:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04700-08 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 11:35:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 223043B04D9 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 11:35:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-02.sun.com ([192.18.108.176]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k37FZFmU024991 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 09:35:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IXC00G01Z8BMV00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 09:35:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [129.146.91.236] by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IXC00KGRZAQAM20@mail-amer.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 09:35:14 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 08:33:51 -0700 From: Rich Burridge Subject: Orca Flag Day. Sender: Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-id: <4436865F.9030307@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060327) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.596 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.002, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.596 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 15:35:18 -0000 If you are checking out the latest Orca from CVS HEAD, then I've just checked in some changes that will affect you, and you will need to re-run orca-setup before you re-run orca. These changes are listed below. The main reasons for doing them are: * Prepare for better key echo which will be (hopefully) coming in the next week or so. Note that currently the "echo by word" and "echo by character" functionality is not fully implemented. * Make it easier to automatically create the infrastructure to allow users to just put their own Orca application scripts under their .orca directory (under ~/.orca/orca-scripts/ to be exact), should they so desire. * Allow users to have their own custom Orca Python code, that won't get destroyed if you re-run orca-setup (such as Javier's recent sayTime() routine). You should now put this code in a file called "orca-customizations.py" under your ~/.orca directory. * Setup the display of the visual braille monitor (useful to sighted people to see what would be happening on the braille display - if present). Please let me know if you find any problems with these changes. Thanks. -- * src/orca/orca-setup.in Several changes to the orca-setup script: - Removed the "Use key echo?" question and associated orca.settings.USE_KEY_ECHO setting. - Replaced it with: "Echo by word, character, both or none? Enter w, c, b or n: " which will set two settings to True or False: orca.settings.USE_ECHO_BY_WORD orca.settings.USE_ECHO_BY_CHAR depending upon the users answer. - Added in another question: "Use Braille Monitor? Enter y or n: ". The Braille Monitor is a visual representation of what is being brailled by Orca. - Automatically create a "orca-scripts" directory under the users .orca directory, if it doesn't already exist. - Automatically create an empty __init__.py file in the orca-scripts directory, if it doesn't already exist. This will enable the user to put their own specific applications scripts in the orca-scripts directory, and Orca will pick them up. - Added a section of code that will generate the following lines at the end of the user's user-settings.py file: try: __import__("orca-customizations") except ImportError: pass What this means is that Orca will now look for a file called "orca-customizations.py" in the user's .orca directory. This file should contain any custom Orca Python code that the user wants. Having it in a separate file from user-settings.py means it won't get blown away when you rerun orca-setup From Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM Fri Apr 7 12:24:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 051133B33DB for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:24:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08218-08 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:24:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 131C43B335C for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:24:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-05.sun.com ([192.18.108.179]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k37GONZe002993 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:24:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IXD004010TWD000@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:24:21 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [129.146.91.236] by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IXD00K6V1KKH140@mail-amer.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:24:21 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 09:22:58 -0700 From: Rich Burridge Subject: Re: Orca rolenames too long for braille? In-reply-to: <0IXC00EUJT683X@mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> Sender: Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM To: Orca screen reader developers , mike.pedersen@Sun.COM, willie Walker Message-id: <443691E2.60809@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_t6RNc+1C8V3J9cXLgdCIrg)" References: <0IXC00EUJT683X@mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060327) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.596 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.002, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.596 X-Spam-Level: Cc: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:24:28 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_t6RNc+1C8V3J9cXLgdCIrg) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Mike Pedersen wrote: > Will explained to me what this control looks like and I agree with what you > are saying needs to be on the braille display. > Okay. I've checked back the change to planner.py that hopefully does this. New version of the script is also attached here. I expected the brailleGen.getBrailleRegions() and braille.displayRegions() to be a matching pair. In other words, I could take what brailleGen.getBrailleRegions() gave me and immediately feed it to braille.displayRegions() , and I'd get back what I started with. This appears not to be the case. I had to do: brailleRegions = brailleGen.getBrailleRegions(event.source) brailleRegions[0] = brailleRegions[0][0] brailleRegions.append(braille.Region(utterance)) braille.displayRegions(brailleRegions) Will, is there something that should be changed here? --Boundary_(ID_t6RNc+1C8V3J9cXLgdCIrg) Content-type: text/x-python; name=planner.py Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: inline; filename=planner.py # Orca # # Copyright 2005 Sun Microsystems Inc. # # This library is free software; you can redistribute it and/or # modify it under the terms of the GNU Library General Public # License as published by the Free Software Foundation; either # version 2 of the License, or (at your option) any later version. # # This library is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, # but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of # MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU # Library General Public License for more details. # # You should have received a copy of the GNU Library General Public # License along with this library; if not, write to the # Free Software Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, # Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA. import orca.debug as debug import orca.default as default import orca.atspi as atspi import orca.rolenames as rolenames import orca.orca as orca import orca.braille as braille import orca.speech as speech import orca.settings as settings import orca.util as util from orca.orca_i18n import _ # for gettext support ######################################################################## # # # The planner script class. # # # ######################################################################## class Script(default.Script): def __init__(self, app): """Creates a new script for the given application. Arguments: - app: the application to create a script for. """ default.Script.__init__(self, app) # This method tries to detect and handle the following cases: # 1) Main window: one of the four graphic toggle buttons. def onFocus(self, event): """Called whenever an object gets focus. Arguments: - event: the Event """ brailleGen = self.brailleGenerator speechGen = self.speechGenerator debug.printObjectEvent(debug.LEVEL_FINEST, event, event.source.toString()) # atspi.printAncestry(event.source) # 1) Main window: one of the four graphic toggle buttons. # # If the focus is on one of the four graphic toggle buttons on # the left side of the main window, then get the label associated # with it, and speak it. We then do the default action for this # focus event, followed by added the label to the braille display. rolesList = [rolenames.ROLE_TOGGLE_BUTTON, \ rolenames.ROLE_FILLER, \ rolenames.ROLE_FILLER, \ rolenames.ROLE_PANEL, \ rolenames.ROLE_PANEL] if util.isDesiredFocusedItem(event.source, rolesList): debug.println(debug.LEVEL_FINEST, "planner.onFocus - main window: " \ + "one of the four graphic toggle buttons.") filler = event.source.parent allLabels = atspi.findByRole(filler, rolenames.ROLE_LABEL) utterance = allLabels[0].name speech.speak(utterance) default.Script.onFocus(self, event) brailleRegions = brailleGen.getBrailleRegions(event.source) brailleRegions[0] = brailleRegions[0][0] brailleRegions.append(braille.Region(utterance)) braille.displayRegions(brailleRegions) return # For everything else, pass the focus event onto the parent class # to be handled in the default way. default.Script.onFocus(self, event) --Boundary_(ID_t6RNc+1C8V3J9cXLgdCIrg)-- From alpuzz@gmail.com Fri Apr 7 12:38:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F3203B0597 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:38:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09317-04 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:38:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.195]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 444B53B0557 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:38:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id h30so399067wxd for ; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 09:38:51 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=CsEATnOpfbsREp5OOt5k9JMkrmSBjEgSqC0yi9gt40nuVU+cO5I7/pS7Itlh44mDOvDqpwzijqk/o8qM7ZNYLXZmUtG2xfSWYvUcgIyDGcl+HHFHKP78Rq0B8IwsmKcu2EItE2JUzH8L251HHOqspSPE5riX3aPDdVsA4s97N8o= Received: by 10.70.46.12 with SMTP id t12mr2706124wxt; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 09:38:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thinkpad ( [68.41.20.163]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id i12sm1042413wxd.2006.04.07.09.38.51; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 09:38:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001c01c65a61$bf14d960$6901a8c0@thinkpad> From: "Al Puzzuoli" To: "Orca screen reader developers" References: <4436865F.9030307@sun.com> Subject: Re: Orca Flag Day. Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:38:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.133 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.467, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.133 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:38:54 -0000 Hi Rich, is the "none" key echo setting supposed to be implemented at present? I've rerun orca-setup, and set echo to none, but I'm still getting character echo in applications such as gedit and gnome-terminal. I even created a new user account, and ran orca-setup under that acount so as to work with a completely clean .orca directory with the same result. --Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Burridge" To: Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 11:33 AM Subject: Orca Flag Day. > > If you are checking out the latest Orca from CVS HEAD, then I've just > checked in some changes that will affect you, and you will need to > re-run orca-setup before you re-run orca. > > These changes are listed below. The main reasons for doing them are: > > * Prepare for better key echo which will be (hopefully) coming in the > next week or so. Note that currently the "echo by word" and "echo by > character" functionality is not fully implemented. > > * Make it easier to automatically create the infrastructure to allow > users to just put their own Orca application scripts under their > .orca directory (under ~/.orca/orca-scripts/ to be exact), should they so > desire. > > * Allow users to have their own custom Orca Python code, that won't get > destroyed if you re-run orca-setup (such as Javier's recent sayTime() > routine). You should now put this code in a file called > "orca-customizations.py" under your ~/.orca directory. > > * Setup the display of the visual braille monitor (useful to sighted > people > to see what would be happening on the braille display - if present). > > Please let me know if you find any problems with these changes. > > Thanks. > > -- > > * src/orca/orca-setup.in > Several changes to the orca-setup script: > - Removed the "Use key echo?" question and associated > orca.settings.USE_KEY_ECHO setting. > - Replaced it with: > "Echo by word, character, both or none? Enter w, c, b or n: " > which will set two settings to True or False: > orca.settings.USE_ECHO_BY_WORD > orca.settings.USE_ECHO_BY_CHAR > depending upon the users answer. > - Added in another question: "Use Braille Monitor? Enter y or n: > ". > The Braille Monitor is a visual representation of what is being > brailled by Orca. > - Automatically create a "orca-scripts" directory under the > users .orca directory, if it doesn't already exist. > - Automatically create an empty __init__.py file in the > orca-scripts directory, if it doesn't already exist. > This will enable the user to put their own specific > applications scripts in the orca-scripts directory, > and Orca will pick them up. > - Added a section of code that will generate the following lines > at the end of the user's user-settings.py file: > > try: > __import__("orca-customizations") > except ImportError: > pass > > What this means is that Orca will now look for a file > called "orca-customizations.py" in the user's .orca directory. > This file should contain any custom Orca Python code that the > user wants. Having it in a separate file from user-settings.py > means it won't get blown away when you rerun orca-setup > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM Fri Apr 7 12:49:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30F8B3B05D2 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:49:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10073-07 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:49:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03E413B05D3 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:49:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-04.sun.com ([192.18.108.178]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k37GniJO018357 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 10:49:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IXD00E012JH3000@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:49:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [129.146.91.236] by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IXD004032QWZQ40@mail-amer.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:49:44 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 09:48:22 -0700 From: Rich Burridge Subject: Re: Start to scripting Orca In-reply-to: <178EEBC4C5E55548A84E8B18F52AF80010E06E55@omailcl.once.org> Sender: Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: <443697D6.3010009@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT References: <178EEBC4C5E55548A84E8B18F52AF80010E06E55@omailcl.once.org> User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060327) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.596 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.002, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001, UPPERCASE_25_50=0] X-Spam-Score: -2.596 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 16:49:54 -0000 Dorado Martínez, Francisco Javier wrote: > ... > 10. To assign a task a resource go back to tasks toggle button > 11. Go to the table where the taks are > 12. On a task display the poppup menu by pressing shift + f10 > 13. Down arrow until "assign a resource" > 14. Here is the problem.... > > A new dialog appears to select resources, by tabbing you arrives to a > splitPane with a unknown role on it that represent the resources and ATSPI > can not obtain information. I think this is a custom component that needs to > implement ATK so a new bug has to be filed for planner. It doesn't appear to be a custom component. Here's the hierarchy at that point: +-name='planner' role='application' state='' +-name='Edit task properties' role='dialog' state='ACTIVE ENABLED RESIZABLE SENSITIVE SHOWING VISIBLE' +-name=None role='filler' state='ENABLED SENSITIVE SHOWING VERTICAL VISIBLE' +-name=None role='page tab list' state='ENABLED FOCUSABLE SENSITIVE SHOWING VISIBLE' +-name='Resources' role='page tab' state='ENABLED MULTI_LINE SELECTABLE SELECTED SENSITIVE SHOWING VISIBLE' +-name=None role='scroll pane' state='ENABLED FOCUSABLE SENSITIVE SHOWING VISIBLE' +-name=None role='table' state='ENABLED FOCUSABLE FOCUSED SENSITIVE SHOWING VISIBLE MANAGES_DESCENDANTS' So we are in a table. There are three columns: Name Assigned Units The entry we are at has nothing in the Name table cell. There is a checkbox in the Assigned table cell (not checked), and the value of Units is 0. If a check the checkbox, Units goes to 100. Before I file a bug again planner, I'd like to understand better why Orca isn't speaking the table cells here. I've filed an Orca bug against Orca (#337659) on this for now. From Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM Fri Apr 7 13:11:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88BD33B0790 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:11:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11336-10 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:11:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 608533B2152 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:11:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-05.sun.com ([192.18.108.179]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k37HBqZe011395 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 11:11:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IXD00B0133WF600@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 11:11:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [129.146.91.236] by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IXD00KLU3RSH140@mail-amer.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 11:11:52 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:10:30 -0700 From: Rich Burridge Subject: Re: planner Edit Task Properties dialog (was: Start to scripting Orca) Sender: Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-id: <44369D06.2090002@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060327) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.596 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.002, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001, UPPERCASE_25_50=0] X-Spam-Score: -2.596 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 17:11:55 -0000 Actually, I take it back. It looks like you are right Javier. There is some kind of custom component here, and it's accessible component hierarchy is broken. If I do a Control-Insert-F7 when the focus is on one of those "table cell" entries, I get: ... +-name='Resources' role='page tab' state='ENABLED MULTI_LINE SELECTABLE SELECTED SENSITIVE SHOWING VISIBLE' +-name=None role='scroll pane' state='ENABLED FOCUSABLE SENSITIVE SHOWING VISIBLE' (*)name=None role='table' state='ENABLED FOCUSABLE FOCUSED SENSITIVE SHOWING VISIBLE MANAGES_DESCENDANTS' WARNING CHILD IS NONE!!! WARNING CHILD IS NONE!!! WARNING CHILD IS NONE!!! ... I'll update the bug I filed, and recategorize it to planner. Thanks for reporting this. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Start to scripting Orca Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 09:48:22 -0700 From: Rich Burridge Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers To: Orca screen reader developers References: <178EEBC4C5E55548A84E8B18F52AF80010E06E55@omailcl.once.org> Dorado Martínez, Francisco Javier wrote: > ... > 10. To assign a task a resource go back to tasks toggle button > 11. Go to the table where the taks are > 12. On a task display the poppup menu by pressing shift + f10 > 13. Down arrow until "assign a resource" > 14. Here is the problem.... > > A new dialog appears to select resources, by tabbing you arrives to a > splitPane with a unknown role on it that represent the resources and ATSPI > can not obtain information. I think this is a custom component that needs to > implement ATK so a new bug has to be filed for planner. It doesn't appear to be a custom component. Here's the hierarchy at that point: +-name='planner' role='application' state='' +-name='Edit task properties' role='dialog' state='ACTIVE ENABLED RESIZABLE SENSITIVE SHOWING VISIBLE' +-name=None role='filler' state='ENABLED SENSITIVE SHOWING VERTICAL VISIBLE' +-name=None role='page tab list' state='ENABLED FOCUSABLE SENSITIVE SHOWING VISIBLE' +-name='Resources' role='page tab' state='ENABLED MULTI_LINE SELECTABLE SELECTED SENSITIVE SHOWING VISIBLE' +-name=None role='scroll pane' state='ENABLED FOCUSABLE SENSITIVE SHOWING VISIBLE' +-name=None role='table' state='ENABLED FOCUSABLE FOCUSED SENSITIVE SHOWING VISIBLE MANAGES_DESCENDANTS' So we are in a table. There are three columns: Name Assigned Units The entry we are at has nothing in the Name table cell. There is a checkbox in the Assigned table cell (not checked), and the value of Units is 0. If a check the checkbox, Units goes to 100. Before I file a bug again planner, I'd like to understand better why Orca isn't speaking the table cells here. I've filed an Orca bug against Orca (#337659) on this for now. _______________________________________________ Orca-list mailing list Orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM Fri Apr 7 13:18:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8011A3B0613 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:18:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11615-09 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:18:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9FA63B209D for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:18:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-04.sun.com ([192.18.108.178]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k37HIEZe016220 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 11:18:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IXD00H013S1X600@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 11:18:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [129.146.91.236] by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IXD0048F42DZQ40@mail-amer.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 11:18:14 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:16:51 -0700 From: Rich Burridge Subject: Re: Orca Flag Day. In-reply-to: <001c01c65a61$bf14d960$6901a8c0@thinkpad> Sender: Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: <44369E83.6000103@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <4436865F.9030307@sun.com> <001c01c65a61$bf14d960$6901a8c0@thinkpad> User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060327) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.596 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.002, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.596 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 17:18:18 -0000 Al Puzzuoli wrote: > is the "none" key echo setting supposed to be implemented at present? > I've rerun orca-setup, and set echo to none, but I'm still getting > character echo in applications such as gedit and gnome-terminal. No. This still needs to be fixed too. It will be a change to the onTextInserted() method in default.py. I might even get to it today. From William.Walker@Sun.COM Fri Apr 7 13:35:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37D0D3B182C for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12832-02 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:35:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C3C33B05FD for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:35:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-01.sun.com ([192.18.108.175]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k37HZHZe028126 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 11:35:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IXD00E014RDXJ00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 11:35:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IXD00EKA4USM373@mail-amer.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 11:35:17 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:35:14 -0400 From: Willie Walker Subject: Re: Orca Flag Day. In-reply-to: <4436865F.9030307@sun.com> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: <1144431315.11580.26.camel@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <4436865F.9030307@sun.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.579 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.019, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.579 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 17:35:20 -0000 Here's the contents of an example ~/.orca/orca-customizations.py. Note that it explicitly modifies the keybindings map of the settings.py module. Hope this helps, Will PS - As you can tell, we are refining the end user customization stuff as we go. I expect it to remain in flux for a while until we actually get the Customization GUI in place. # Set up custom keybindings. # import orca.braille import orca.input_event import orca.keybindings import orca.orca import orca.settings import orca.speech from orca.orca_i18n import _ def sayHello(script, inputEvent=None): message = _("Hello World") # Say/braille something. # orca.speech.speak(message) orca.braille.displayMessage(message) # Consume the event so it will not go to an application. # return True sayHelloHandler = orca.input_event.InputEventHandler( sayHello, _("Says hello to this fine world.")) myKeyBindings = orca.keybindings.KeyBindings() myKeyBindings.add(orca.keybindings.KeyBinding( "t", 1 << orca.orca.MODIFIER_ORCA, 1 << orca.orca.MODIFIER_ORCA, sayHelloHandler)) orca.settings.keyBindingsMap = {} orca.settings.keyBindingsMap["default"] = myKeyBindings On Fri, 2006-04-07 at 08:33 -0700, Rich Burridge wrote: > If you are checking out the latest Orca from CVS HEAD, then I've just > checked in some changes that will affect you, and you will need to > re-run orca-setup before you re-run orca. > > These changes are listed below. The main reasons for doing them are: > > * Prepare for better key echo which will be (hopefully) coming in the > next week or so. Note that currently the "echo by word" and "echo by > character" functionality is not fully implemented. > > * Make it easier to automatically create the infrastructure to allow > users to just put their own Orca application scripts under their > .orca directory (under ~/.orca/orca-scripts/ to be exact), should they so > desire. > > * Allow users to have their own custom Orca Python code, that won't get > destroyed if you re-run orca-setup (such as Javier's recent sayTime() > routine). You should now put this code in a file called > "orca-customizations.py" under your ~/.orca directory. > > * Setup the display of the visual braille monitor (useful to sighted people > to see what would be happening on the braille display - if present). > > Please let me know if you find any problems with these changes. > > Thanks. > > -- > > * src/orca/orca-setup.in > Several changes to the orca-setup script: > - Removed the "Use key echo?" question and associated > orca.settings.USE_KEY_ECHO setting. > - Replaced it with: > "Echo by word, character, both or none? Enter w, c, b or n: " > which will set two settings to True or False: > orca.settings.USE_ECHO_BY_WORD > orca.settings.USE_ECHO_BY_CHAR > depending upon the users answer. > - Added in another question: "Use Braille Monitor? Enter y or > n: ". > The Braille Monitor is a visual representation of what is being > brailled by Orca. > - Automatically create a "orca-scripts" directory under the > users .orca directory, if it doesn't already exist. > - Automatically create an empty __init__.py file in the > orca-scripts directory, if it doesn't already exist. > This will enable the user to put their own specific > applications scripts in the orca-scripts directory, > and Orca will pick them up. > - Added a section of code that will generate the following lines > at the end of the user's user-settings.py file: > > try: > __import__("orca-customizations") > except ImportError: > pass > > What this means is that Orca will now look for a file > called "orca-customizations.py" in the user's .orca directory. > This file should contain any custom Orca Python code that the > user wants. Having it in a separate file from user-settings.py > means it won't get blown away when you rerun orca-setup > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM Fri Apr 7 14:19:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 982BD3B07B2 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 14:19:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16494-03 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 14:18:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A161F3B063E for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 14:18:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-03.sun.com ([192.18.108.177]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k37IIwZe000118 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 12:18:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IXD00C016CP7600@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:18:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [129.146.91.236] by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IXD00GAF6VK3F40@mail-amer.sun.com>; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:18:57 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 11:17:34 -0700 From: Rich Burridge Subject: [Fwd: Re: Orca Flag Day.] Sender: Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM To: orca-list@gnome.org, alpuzz@gmail.com Message-id: <4436ACBE.7050806@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060327) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.596 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.002, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.596 X-Spam-Level: Cc: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 18:19:03 -0000 Al, I've just checked a small change into Orca CVS HEAD so that if you have "echo by character" and "echo by word" both set to False, then keys will not be echoed when you type them in in gedit or gnome-terminal. Having said that, the key echo revamp is an on-going process. There is still a lot of other changes that need to be made. For example, hitting Backspace and Delete won't do the right thing at the moment. I'm doing these changes in small steps. Hopefully Backspace/Delete echoing will improve early next week. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Orca Flag Day. Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:16:51 -0700 From: Rich Burridge To: Orca screen reader developers References: <4436865F.9030307@sun.com> <001c01c65a61$bf14d960$6901a8c0@thinkpad> Al Puzzuoli wrote: > is the "none" key echo setting supposed to be implemented at present? > I've rerun orca-setup, and set echo to none, but I'm still getting > character echo in applications such as gedit and gnome-terminal. No. This still needs to be fixed too. It will be a change to the onTextInserted() method in default.py. I might even get to it today. From Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM Fri Apr 7 15:09:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E993A3B346B for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:09:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19395-04 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:09:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8C3E3B3464 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 15:09:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-02.sun.com ([192.18.108.176]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k37J9tJO029176 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2006 13:09:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IXD006018YA6700@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:09:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [129.146.91.236] by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IXD00KMX98IAM40@mail-amer.sun.com>; Fri, 07 Apr 2006 13:09:55 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 12:08:30 -0700 From: Rich Burridge Subject: Re: Orca Flag Day. Sender: Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM To: orca-list@gnome.org, alpuzz@gmail.com Message-id: <4436B8AE.1060602@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060327) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.596 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.002, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.596 X-Spam-Level: Cc: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 19:09:59 -0000 It's always a bad sign when you start replying to your own email. Mike (Pedersen) kindly pointed out that this change has the adverse side-effect of not letting you know when text other than that generated by typing, is inserted into a editable text area (applications such as gedit and gnome-terminal). Sorry about that. I've commented out this change for now and updated Orca CVS HEAD (again). I need to work out how to determine whether the last "object:text-changed:insert" event was the result of a key press event. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Fwd: Re: Orca Flag Day.] Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 11:17:34 -0700 From: Rich Burridge To: orca-list@gnome.org, alpuzz@gmail.com Al, I've just checked a small change into Orca CVS HEAD so that if you have "echo by character" and "echo by word" both set to False, then keys will not be echoed when you type them in in gedit or gnome-terminal. Having said that, the key echo revamp is an on-going process. There is still a lot of other changes that need to be made. For example, hitting Backspace and Delete won't do the right thing at the moment. I'm doing these changes in small steps. Hopefully Backspace/Delete echoing will improve early next week. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Orca Flag Day. Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2006 10:16:51 -0700 From: Rich Burridge To: Orca screen reader developers References: <4436865F.9030307@sun.com> <001c01c65a61$bf14d960$6901a8c0@thinkpad> Al Puzzuoli wrote: > is the "none" key echo setting supposed to be implemented at present? > I've rerun orca-setup, and set echo to none, but I'm still getting > character echo in applications such as gedit and gnome-terminal. No. This still needs to be fixed too. It will be a change to the onTextInserted() method in default.py. I might even get to it today. From William.Walker@Sun.COM Sat Apr 8 08:43:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2C3C3B180C for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 08:43:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02643-02 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 08:43:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EFDF3B17F3 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 08:43:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-05.sun.com ([192.18.108.179]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k38ChtZe003230 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2006 06:43:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IXE00301K1ZWE00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 06:43:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IXE003IHM16QBD4@mail-amer.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Sat, 08 Apr 2006 06:43:54 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 08:43:53 -0400 From: Willie Walker Subject: Re: Orca rolenames too long for braille? In-reply-to: <443691E2.60809@sun.com> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: <1144500233.13834.31.camel@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <0IXC00EUJT683X@mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> <443691E2.60809@sun.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.579 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.019, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.579 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2006 12:43:57 -0000 Hey Rich: The lack of symmetry in the API is definitely an annoyance. I created/fixed a bug for this: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=337704 The overall impact is that end users should see no difference, but script writers will. Luckily, the impact was isolated to just the Evolution and StarOffice scripts. Thanks! Will On Fri, 2006-04-07 at 09:22 -0700, Rich Burridge wrote: > Mike Pedersen wrote: > > Will explained to me what this control looks like and I agree with what you > > are saying needs to be on the braille display. > > > > Okay. I've checked back the change to planner.py that hopefully does this. > New version of the script is also attached here. > > I expected the brailleGen.getBrailleRegions() and > braille.displayRegions() to be a > matching pair. In other words, I could take what > brailleGen.getBrailleRegions() > gave me and immediately feed it to braille.displayRegions() , and I'd > get back what > I started with. > > This appears not to be the case. I had to do: > > brailleRegions = brailleGen.getBrailleRegions(event.source) > brailleRegions[0] = brailleRegions[0][0] > brailleRegions.append(braille.Region(utterance)) > braille.displayRegions(brailleRegions) > > Will, is there something that should be changed here? > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From themuso@themuso.com Sun Apr 9 04:32:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9DBC3B0853 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 04:32:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02728-02 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 04:32:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vscan03.westnet.com.au (vscan03.westnet.com.au [203.10.1.142]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1CF73B0745 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 04:32:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED1E7B60609 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 16:33:34 +0800 (WST) Received: from vscan03.westnet.com.au ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (vscan03.westnet.com.au [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13144-01 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 16:32:40 +0800 (WST) Received: from linden.yelavich.home (dsl-202-173-132-131.nsw.westnet.com.au [202.173.132.131]) by vscan03.westnet.com.au (Postfix) with SMTP id 8A8E0B6078A for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 16:32:39 +0800 (WST) Received: (nullmailer pid 30277 invoked by uid 1000); Sun, 09 Apr 2006 08:31:48 -0000 Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 18:31:48 +1000 To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20060409083148.GA30238@linden.yelavich.home> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="oyUTqETQ0mS9luUI" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 From: Luke Yelavich X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.455 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.009, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.455 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Orca Keybindings and modifiers. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 08:32:46 -0000 --oyUTqETQ0mS9luUI Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all Before I start moving the keybindings system to a more user customizable=20 setup, I have been playing with different keybindings for laptop use.=20 One thing I have found is that if I modify the modifier from insert to=20 caps lock, and capslock is the only modifier, the modifier key to orca=20 seems to stay pressed. For example, if I press capslock plus right arrow=20 to increase speech rate, and I press either left or right arrow, the=20 speech rate keeps adjusting, as if I was still holding down capslock,=20 even though I am not. Pressing capslock again doesn't help. Do I have to modify anything else to make sure the modifier seems to be=20 depressed as it should be? Thanks in advance. --=20 Luke Yelavich GPG key: 0xD06320CE=20 (http://www.themuso.com/themuso-gpg-key.txt) Email & MSN: themuso@themuso.com ICQ: 18444344 --oyUTqETQ0mS9luUI Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEOMZ0jVefwtBjIM4RAlrUAJ0Ut6E55q9laQ6DEpX25y0OMzvU6ACg4JL5 5ZsmKccnsc+oNiNKThwm938= =+rmy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --oyUTqETQ0mS9luUI-- From William.Walker@Sun.COM Sun Apr 9 05:07:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84F593B1B2C for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 05:07:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04433-06 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 05:07:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DC303B1B19 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 05:07:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-03.sun.com ([192.18.108.177]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k3997KJO005618 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 03:07:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IXG00B016O7HM00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 03:07:19 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IXG003S16O6XSZ4@mail-amer.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 03:07:19 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 05:07:16 -0400 From: Willie Walker Subject: Re: Orca Keybindings and modifiers. In-reply-to: <20060409083148.GA30238@linden.yelavich.home> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: <1144573636.13834.63.camel@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_QUV+nEId4N9c8LgHWhwfeg)" References: <20060409083148.GA30238@linden.yelavich.home> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.58 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.018, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.58 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 09:07:23 -0000 --Boundary_(ID_QUV+nEId4N9c8LgHWhwfeg) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi Luke: We played around with the Caps_Lock key as the Orca modifier key and had trouble with it. The primary problem was that we could not consume the event before the X server did. As a result, we could indeed key off the keycode for the Caps_Lock key, but we could not prevent the Caps_Lock from going on or off. The resulting behavior was that you could quickly end up in a situation where your Orca keystrokes were causing Caps_Lock to alternately toggle on and off. >From my work with XKB, I also remember Caps_Lock being just a plain old problematic key for a variety of reasons, and I'd recommend staying away from it. Will PS - attached is a patch to turn the Caps_Lock key into the Orca modifier. It "works," but suffers from the problem where the Caps_Lock modifier is tweaked whenever you touch the key. On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 18:31 +1000, Luke Yelavich wrote: > Hi all > Before I start moving the keybindings system to a more user customizable > setup, I have been playing with different keybindings for laptop use. > One thing I have found is that if I modify the modifier from insert to > caps lock, and capslock is the only modifier, the modifier key to orca > seems to stay pressed. For example, if I press capslock plus right arrow > to increase speech rate, and I press either left or right arrow, the > speech rate keeps adjusting, as if I was still holding down capslock, > even though I am not. Pressing capslock again doesn't help. > > Do I have to modify anything else to make sure the modifier seems to be > depressed as it should be? > > Thanks in advance. > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list --Boundary_(ID_QUV+nEId4N9c8LgHWhwfeg) Content-type: text/x-patch; charset=utf-8; name=caps_lock.patch Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-disposition: attachment; filename=caps_lock.patch Index: orca.py =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/orca/src/orca/orca.py,v retrieving revision 1.92 diff -p -u -r1.92 orca.py --- orca.py 7 Apr 2006 15:21:50 -0000 1.92 +++ orca.py 9 Apr 2006 09:04:02 -0000 @@ -45,7 +45,7 @@ from orca_i18n import _ # for # lastInputEvent = None -# A new modifier to use (currently bound to the "Insert" key) to represent +# A new modifier to use (currently bound to the "Caps_Lock" key) to represent # special Orca key sequences. # MODIFIER_ORCA = 8 @@ -502,11 +502,9 @@ def exitLearnMode(script=None, inputEven # _keybindings = None -# True if the insert key is currently pressed. We will use the insert -# key as a modifier for Orca, and it will be presented as the "insert" -# modifier string. +# True if the orca modifier key is currently pressed. # -_insertPressed = False +_orcaModifierPressed = False # List of special keys. Used by _specialKey(). # @@ -599,7 +597,7 @@ def _processKeyboardEvent(event): """ global lastInputEvent - global _insertPressed + global _orcaModifierPressed event_string = event.event_string @@ -618,16 +616,16 @@ def _processKeyboardEvent(event): _keyEcho(event) - # We treat the Insert key as a modifier - so just swallow it and + # We treat the Caps_Lock key as a modifier - so just swallow it and # set our internal state. # - if (event_string == "Insert") or (event_string == "KP_Insert"): - _insertPressed = True + if event_string == "Caps_Lock": + _orcaModifierPressed = True return True - elif event.type == atspi.Accessibility.KEY_RELEASED_EVENT \ - and ((event_string == "Insert") or (event_string == "KP_Insert")): - _insertPressed = False + elif (event.type == atspi.Accessibility.KEY_RELEASED_EVENT) \ + and (event_string == "Caps_Lock"): + _orcaModifierPressed = False return True # Orca gets first stab at the event. Then, the presenter gets @@ -636,7 +634,7 @@ def _processKeyboardEvent(event): # scripts to override fundamental Orca key bindings.]]] # keyboardEvent = KeyboardEvent(event) - if _insertPressed: + if _orcaModifierPressed: keyboardEvent.modifiers |= (1 << MODIFIER_ORCA) consumed = False --Boundary_(ID_QUV+nEId4N9c8LgHWhwfeg)-- From javier@tiflolinux.org Sun Apr 9 12:08:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED36C3B1D1F for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 12:08:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26890-07 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 12:08:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tiflolinux.org (unknown [82.158.40.139]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7881F3B1C65 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 12:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (uid 503) by tiflolinux.org with local; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 19:17:50 +0200 id 0009E49B.443941BE.00001255 Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2006 19:17:50 +0200 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fco=2E_Javier_Dorado_Mart=EDnez?=" To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20060409171750.GB18795@tiflolinux.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Operating-System: Linux tiflolinux.org 2.4.20-8 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.10i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.511 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.142, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL=1.946] X-Spam-Score: -0.511 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Orca Missing description in planner's toggle button X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 16:08:40 -0000 Hi to all Exploring Planner, in the toolbar there's a toggle button with no description or label associated. A sighted folk told me that this toggle button has an arrow indicating thereis more options in the toolbar by pressing it. Exactly, if you press it, shows a popup menu with more options. But there's not label around. What's appropiate in this case? Regards, Javier From William.Walker@Sun.COM Sun Apr 9 19:41:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAFC63B20CD for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 19:41:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20135-01 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 19:41:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A16F3B0BB4 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 19:41:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.108.184]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k39NfZJO001290 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 17:41:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IXH00I01AXR0O00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 17:41:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IXH0088OB5ARL6Y@mail-amer.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 17:41:35 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 19:41:28 -0400 From: Willie Walker Subject: Re: Navigating GAIM (was Re: tarting orca) In-reply-to: <1144335465.2642.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: <1144626088.15738.43.camel@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <0IX500MNCYYXZJ@mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> <004c01c65862$617e3c20$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> <1144242869.30115.17.camel@localhost> <009801c658e4$f2f2e430$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> <1144267789.11676.23.camel@localhost> <00ca01c6590e$728bb310$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> <8A0DC8C4-C7AB-4A4B-9821-89B524C710FE@sun.com> <1144335465.2642.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.541 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.020, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_GT=0.077, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.541 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 23:41:45 -0000 Hi Cody: This is an interesting idea. Let's flesh it out some more. Would the idea be to use the Orca modifier key (currently "Insert") in conjunction with a number (0 thru 9) and interpret that number as "the last nth message displayed"? That is, Insert+0 would repeat the very last message that came in, Insert+1 would repeat the next to last, and so on. Will On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 10:57 -0400, Cody Hurst wrote: > hi will, > Maybe think about creating a script that will allow me to press > something like control and any number on the number line to hear > previous messages, if I missed one???? Thanks for the help. > > CodyOn Thu, 2006-04-06 at 07:44 -0400, Willie Walker wrote: > > Hi Cody: > > > > The IM window in GAIM is primarily two things: the chat area where > > the conversation occurs and the text area where you type. There's > > other stuff in there, however, such as a toolbar for smiley faces and > > a horizontal rule. The script for GAIM will speak/braille the text > > and chat areas automatically when they update, but you can use Orca's > > "flat review" keys to explore the window if you need to. To do so, > > use the keypad keys: > > > > 7 - 8 - 9 read previous, read current, read next line > > 4 - 5 - 6 read previous, read current, read next word > > 1 - 2 - 3 read previous, read current, read next character > > > > You can also use the Orca modifier key (the "Insert" key) in > > combination of some of the keys. To do some exploring into what keys > > will do what, press "Insert+F1". This will take Orca into "Learn > > Mode." In learn mode, you can press various keys and key > > combinations and Orca will tell you what they will do. To exit learn > > mode, press the "Escape" key. > > > > Hope this helps! > > > > Will > > > > On Apr 5, 2006, at 8:10 PM, C-DOG wrote: > > > > > hi willie! > > > I got speech working, its amazing. a lot better then crappy old > > > gnopernicus, more responsive, and itsworks with evolution mazingly. > > > I do have one question... > > > how can I navigate in a IM window in gaim?? thanks a million > > > c > > > ody > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willie Walker" > > > > > > To: "Orca screen reader developers" > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:09 PM > > > Subject: Re: tarting orca > > > > > > > > >> Hi Cody: > > >> > > >> There could be several problems happening here. If speech isn't > > >> working, you might need to debug that first. Here's a fast pass I > > >> made > > >> on the WIKI for debugging speech (please let me know of changes you > > >> think would be helpful to make it clearer - I wrote it at night > > >> when I > > >> was kind of tired): > > >> > > >> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/GnomeSpeech > > >> > > >> If the goal is to start Orca when you log in, however, you have a > > >> couple > > >> of options. One is to tell your Linux distribution to not bring the > > >> graphical login up when it boots. The method for doing this > > >> unfortunately varies by distribution. With this option, you can add > > >> orca to your ~/.xinitrc file and then start the graphical desktop > > >> using > > >> xinit. > > >> > > >> Another option is to bring up the System->Preferences->Sessions > > >> application (also known as gnome-session-properties from the command > > >> line) and add orca as a startup program. > > >> > > >> In either case, you might actually want to point to a script that > > >> starts > > >> orca - that way you can do some pre-run cleanup of stuff if needed > > >> (e.g., kill synthesis drivers that might be hung and such). > > >> Attached > > >> is a script that does some of this pre-run cleanup. I'm not really > > >> advocating its use too widely, though, because Orca should not > > >> rely upon > > >> this kind of thing for proper behavior. Instead, it should be > > >> able to > > >> gracefully recover from bad things as much as possible or at least > > >> give > > >> you an informative message about what's causing it pain. But, it > > >> should > > >> at least be able to help you get going. > > >> > > >> Will > > >> > > >> On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 12:12 -0700, C-DOG wrote: > > >>> hi will, > > >>> but what is a way to avoid this? I mean, running orca from the > > >>> terminal > > >>> probably wont' do the same thing will it? I have tried starting > > >>> orca from > > >>> the gnome terminal and minimising the terminal, and using it but > > >>> get no > > >>> speech. > > >>> > > >>> cody > > >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willie Walker" > > >>> > > >>> To: "Orca screen reader developers" > > >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 6:14 AM > > >>> Subject: Re: tarting orca > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Hi Cody: > > >>> > > > >>> > This looks like it might be related to a GTK+ crasher: > > >>> > > > >>> > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326362 > > >>> > > > >>> > The main culprit that makes it happen seems to be the run > > >>> dialog. If > > >>> > you can avoid doing that until the crasher is fixed by the gtk > > >>> folks, > > >>> > then things might go better for you. > > >>> > > > >>> > Hope this helps, > > >>> > > > >>> > Will > > >>> > > > >>> > On Tue, 2006-04-04 at 20:38 -0700, C-DOG wrote: > > >>> >> actually I can get through the setup, if I type orca in the > > >>> terminal > > >>> >> then it will say welcome to orca. this does not happen in the run > > >>> >> dialogue in the gui of gnome it just crashes the pannel.cody > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Mike > > >>> Pedersen > > >>> >> To: 'Orca screen reader developers' > > >>> >> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 1:44 PM > > >>> >> Subject: RE: tarting orca > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> Hello Cody, > > >>> >> I have opened a terminal and typed > > >>> >> > > >>> >> orca-setup > > >>> >> > > >>> >> I get a prompt asking me which voice I want. I > > >>> can't > > >>> >> quite understand the 2 options, so I select > > >>> one, then > > >>> >> i am asked for speak echo charactors, I say Y > > >>> for yes, > > >>> >> after this I get no speech, what is going > > >>> wrong? I > > >>> >> have managed to get this far. I still can't > > >>> get out of > > >>> >> a terminal window, is there another type of > > >>> setup I > > >>> >> need to do? > > >>> >> > > >>> >> After you finish orca-setup you will not have > > >>> speech > > >>> >> until you type orca. What happens if you type > > >>> orca in > > >>> >> the terminal prompt? > > >>> >> Mike > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> ______________________________________________________________ > > >>> >> > > >>> >> _______________________________________________ > > >>> >> Orca-list mailing list > > >>> >> Orca-list@gnome.org > > >>> >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > >>> >> _______________________________________________ > > >>> >> Orca-list mailing list > > >>> >> Orca-list@gnome.org > > >>> >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > >>> > > > >>> > _______________________________________________ > > >>> > Orca-list mailing list > > >>> > Orca-list@gnome.org > > >>> > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> Orca-list mailing list > > >>> Orca-list@gnome.org > > >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > >> > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ---------- > > > > > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Orca-list mailing list > > >> Orca-list@gnome.org > > >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Orca-list mailing list > > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Orca-list mailing list > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From William.Walker@Sun.COM Sun Apr 9 19:51:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FD893B0B64 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 19:51:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20586-05 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 19:51:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 891DA3B0897 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 19:51:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-06.sun.com ([192.18.108.180]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k39NpmmU023829 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 17:51:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IXH00B01ASVQ000@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 17:51:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IXH00JTRBMB8WL6@mail-amer.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 17:51:48 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 19:51:46 -0400 From: Willie Walker Subject: Orca's readiness (was Re: tarting orca) In-reply-to: <1144336378.2642.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: <1144626707.15738.55.camel@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <0IX500MNCYYXZJ@mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> <004c01c65862$617e3c20$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> <1144242869.30115.17.camel@localhost> <009801c658e4$f2f2e430$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> <1144267789.11676.23.camel@localhost> <00ca01c6590e$728bb310$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> <7E2267B5-2198-42A9-B6CB-01E9F2730C88@sun.com> <1144336378.2642.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.58 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.018, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.58 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 23:51:51 -0000 Hi Cody: Thanks again for the kind comments. > In both gnopernicus and orca, there are some delays in speech in some > programs, for example, when I have focus with orca on the desktop, then > press alt control tab to switch to m task bar, it'll take about 5 > seconds or so for a response. This is teh same case with gnopernicus... My guess is that Orca is getting a flood of events from Evolution and it's trying to keep up. We might be able to do some optimization here. > Also, in orca, when hitting escape out of a email message to go back > to the inbox view, it takes a while for the focus to be regained... I'm not sure what you are referring to here - where are you when you hit escape and what is the expected result? > other then this, I see nothing but good and high spirits. I seriously > think that the comment that I read about orca not truly being ready for > a home user yet is a little under estimated. Well...I tend to be very conservative in my statement of calling something ready. I really do not like the notion of overselling things and prefer to be more up front about what works, what doesn't, and when we plan to get to what. > One thing about orca that does need > improvement on is FireFox. Firefox is going to be a struggle for a while. We've recently collaborated with IBM to design improvements to the AT-SPI implementation for Firefox, but these will probably not see the light of day until Firefox 3. We're working on some 'creative' solutions for Firefox 2, which will probably be the first release that has any semblance of usable support. In addition, as we progress with Firefox, we will definitely solicit people's input. Thanks again! Will From Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM Sun Apr 9 20:42:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76C143B20EF for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 20:42:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22831-02 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 20:42:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A0BF3B20CD for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 20:41:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-06.sun.com ([192.18.108.180]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k3A0fjJO009884 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 18:41:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IXH00C01DASQG00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 18:41:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([71.131.180.143]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IXH00JWIDXL8WL6@mail-amer.sun.com>; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 18:41:45 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 17:41:50 -0700 From: Rich Burridge Subject: Re: Orca Missing description in planner's toggle button In-reply-to: <20060409171750.GB18795@tiflolinux.org> Sender: Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM To: Orca screen reader developers , mike.pedersen@sbcglobal.net, javier@tiflolinux.org Message-id: <4439A9CE.7050808@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <20060409171750.GB18795@tiflolinux.org> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: Cc: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 00:42:48 -0000 Hi Javier, >Exploring Planner, in the toolbar there's a toggle button with no description or label associated. A sighted folk told me that this toggle button has an arrow indicating thereis more options in the toolbar by pressing it. >Exactly, if you press it, shows a popup menu with more options. >But there's not label around. >What's appropiate in this case? > > Will and I briefly looked at this on Friday when we were discussing the funny "table cells" on that broken planner dialog. I believe this is called a Ribbon in GUI terms. The wider you have the planner window, the more of them you see as graphical button in a single strip of "ribbon". The rest of the items are put in a popup menu (single line text entries) which you can bring up by clicking on the arrow button to the right of the ribbon Planner should have some accessible name/description for this component. I'll file a bug on Monday. We can easily work around this in the Orca planner.py script. Mike, what would you like to see spoken/brailled here? From Michael.Pedersen@Sun.COM Sun Apr 9 21:27:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C1233B0A17 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 21:27:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24253-06 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 21:27:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D94313B0860 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 21:27:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phys-mpk-2 ([129.146.11.82]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k3A1R4mU026567 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2006 19:27:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com by mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.24 (built Dec 19 2003)) id <0IXH00A01FRD04@mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> (original mail from Michael.Pedersen@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 18:27:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toshiba (vpn-129-150-21-127.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.150.21.127]) by mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.24 (built Dec 19 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IXH00J6AG13XN@mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com>; Sun, 09 Apr 2006 18:27:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 18:27:03 -0700 From: Mike Pedersen Subject: RE: Orca Missing description in planner's toggle button In-reply-to: <4439A9CE.7050808@sun.com> To: "'Orca screen reader developers'" , mike.pedersen@sbcglobal.net, javier@tiflolinux.org Message-id: <0IXH00J6BG13XN@mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcZcOFPFRyBydMeITJ2HJ1B7/p9hpQABTcUg X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.487 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.111, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.487 X-Spam-Level: Cc: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 01:27:06 -0000 Hi Rich, > I believe this is called a Ribbon in GUI terms. The wider you > have the planner window, the more of them you see as > graphical button in a single strip of "ribbon". > The rest of the items are put in a popup menu (single line > text entries) which you can bring up by clicking on the arrow > button to the right of the ribbon > > Planner should have some accessible name/description for this > component. > I'll file a bug on Monday. > > We can easily work around this in the Orca planner.py script. > Mike, what would you like to see spoken/brailled here? It sounds like we will see this situation in more places than just the planner. Can you give me more applications where we will see this behavior? I'd like to come up with a generic answer if possible. Thanks Mike From churst31@verizon.net Mon Apr 10 03:14:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F16B3B219A for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 03:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06188-01 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 03:14:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1426B3B0713 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 03:14:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.46] ([72.78.38.169]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IXH008ZZW3IO8C9@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 02:14:07 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 22:13:52 -0400 From: Cody Hurst Subject: Re: Navigating GAIM (was Re: tarting orca) In-reply-to: <1144626088.15738.43.camel@localhost> To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: <1144635235.2841.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 (2.6.0-1) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <0IX500MNCYYXZJ@mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> <004c01c65862$617e3c20$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> <1144242869.30115.17.camel@localhost> <009801c658e4$f2f2e430$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> <1144267789.11676.23.camel@localhost> <00ca01c6590e$728bb310$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> <8A0DC8C4-C7AB-4A4B-9821-89B524C710FE@sun.com> <1144335465.2642.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1144626088.15738.43.camel@localhost> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.463, BAYES_00=-2.599, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06=0.478, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -0.6 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 07:14:09 -0000 hi will, As well as using the insert key for doing the gaim diea, but applying the insert key to different commands around gnome as well would be a good idea for instance, insert plus O while focused on the desktop would bring up the Orca window, I know there isn't one, but a future idea... Insert plus down arrow while reading an email or text file, it'll read from current possition of caret to the end of the file... These are justa couple of ideas that might be implamented...I hope these can be ok to work with... Cody \On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 19:41 -0400, Willie Walker wrote: > Hi Cody: > > This is an interesting idea. Let's flesh it out some more. Would the > idea be to use the Orca modifier key (currently "Insert") in conjunction > with a number (0 thru 9) and interpret that number as "the last nth > message displayed"? That is, Insert+0 would repeat the very last > message that came in, Insert+1 would repeat the next to last, and so on. > > Will > > On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 10:57 -0400, Cody Hurst wrote: > > hi will, > > Maybe think about creating a script that will allow me to press > > something like control and any number on the number line to hear > > previous messages, if I missed one???? Thanks for the help. > > > > CodyOn Thu, 2006-04-06 at 07:44 -0400, Willie Walker wrote: > > > Hi Cody: > > > > > > The IM window in GAIM is primarily two things: the chat area where > > > the conversation occurs and the text area where you type. There's > > > other stuff in there, however, such as a toolbar for smiley faces and > > > a horizontal rule. The script for GAIM will speak/braille the text > > > and chat areas automatically when they update, but you can use Orca's > > > "flat review" keys to explore the window if you need to. To do so, > > > use the keypad keys: > > > > > > 7 - 8 - 9 read previous, read current, read next line > > > 4 - 5 - 6 read previous, read current, read next word > > > 1 - 2 - 3 read previous, read current, read next character > > > > > > You can also use the Orca modifier key (the "Insert" key) in > > > combination of some of the keys. To do some exploring into what keys > > > will do what, press "Insert+F1". This will take Orca into "Learn > > > Mode." In learn mode, you can press various keys and key > > > combinations and Orca will tell you what they will do. To exit learn > > > mode, press the "Escape" key. > > > > > > Hope this helps! > > > > > > Will > > > > > > On Apr 5, 2006, at 8:10 PM, C-DOG wrote: > > > > > > > hi willie! > > > > I got speech working, its amazing. a lot better then crappy old > > > > gnopernicus, more responsive, and itsworks with evolution mazingly. > > > > I do have one question... > > > > how can I navigate in a IM window in gaim?? thanks a million > > > > c > > > > ody > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willie Walker" > > > > > > > > To: "Orca screen reader developers" > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:09 PM > > > > Subject: Re: tarting orca > > > > > > > > > > > >> Hi Cody: > > > >> > > > >> There could be several problems happening here. If speech isn't > > > >> working, you might need to debug that first. Here's a fast pass I > > > >> made > > > >> on the WIKI for debugging speech (please let me know of changes you > > > >> think would be helpful to make it clearer - I wrote it at night > > > >> when I > > > >> was kind of tired): > > > >> > > > >> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/GnomeSpeech > > > >> > > > >> If the goal is to start Orca when you log in, however, you have a > > > >> couple > > > >> of options. One is to tell your Linux distribution to not bring the > > > >> graphical login up when it boots. The method for doing this > > > >> unfortunately varies by distribution. With this option, you can add > > > >> orca to your ~/.xinitrc file and then start the graphical desktop > > > >> using > > > >> xinit. > > > >> > > > >> Another option is to bring up the System->Preferences->Sessions > > > >> application (also known as gnome-session-properties from the command > > > >> line) and add orca as a startup program. > > > >> > > > >> In either case, you might actually want to point to a script that > > > >> starts > > > >> orca - that way you can do some pre-run cleanup of stuff if needed > > > >> (e.g., kill synthesis drivers that might be hung and such). > > > >> Attached > > > >> is a script that does some of this pre-run cleanup. I'm not really > > > >> advocating its use too widely, though, because Orca should not > > > >> rely upon > > > >> this kind of thing for proper behavior. Instead, it should be > > > >> able to > > > >> gracefully recover from bad things as much as possible or at least > > > >> give > > > >> you an informative message about what's causing it pain. But, it > > > >> should > > > >> at least be able to help you get going. > > > >> > > > >> Will > > > >> > > > >> On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 12:12 -0700, C-DOG wrote: > > > >>> hi will, > > > >>> but what is a way to avoid this? I mean, running orca from the > > > >>> terminal > > > >>> probably wont' do the same thing will it? I have tried starting > > > >>> orca from > > > >>> the gnome terminal and minimising the terminal, and using it but > > > >>> get no > > > >>> speech. > > > >>> > > > >>> cody > > > >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willie Walker" > > > >>> > > > >>> To: "Orca screen reader developers" > > > >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 6:14 AM > > > >>> Subject: Re: tarting orca > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > Hi Cody: > > > >>> > > > > >>> > This looks like it might be related to a GTK+ crasher: > > > >>> > > > > >>> > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326362 > > > >>> > > > > >>> > The main culprit that makes it happen seems to be the run > > > >>> dialog. If > > > >>> > you can avoid doing that until the crasher is fixed by the gtk > > > >>> folks, > > > >>> > then things might go better for you. > > > >>> > > > > >>> > Hope this helps, > > > >>> > > > > >>> > Will > > > >>> > > > > >>> > On Tue, 2006-04-04 at 20:38 -0700, C-DOG wrote: > > > >>> >> actually I can get through the setup, if I type orca in the > > > >>> terminal > > > >>> >> then it will say welcome to orca. this does not happen in the run > > > >>> >> dialogue in the gui of gnome it just crashes the pannel.cody > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Mike > > > >>> Pedersen > > > >>> >> To: 'Orca screen reader developers' > > > >>> >> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 1:44 PM > > > >>> >> Subject: RE: tarting orca > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> Hello Cody, > > > >>> >> I have opened a terminal and typed > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> orca-setup > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> I get a prompt asking me which voice I want. I > > > >>> can't > > > >>> >> quite understand the 2 options, so I select > > > >>> one, then > > > >>> >> i am asked for speak echo charactors, I say Y > > > >>> for yes, > > > >>> >> after this I get no speech, what is going > > > >>> wrong? I > > > >>> >> have managed to get this far. I still can't > > > >>> get out of > > > >>> >> a terminal window, is there another type of > > > >>> setup I > > > >>> >> need to do? > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> After you finish orca-setup you will not have > > > >>> speech > > > >>> >> until you type orca. What happens if you type > > > >>> orca in > > > >>> >> the terminal prompt? > > > >>> >> Mike > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> ______________________________________________________________ > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> _______________________________________________ > > > >>> >> Orca-list mailing list > > > >>> >> Orca-list@gnome.org > > > >>> >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > >>> >> _______________________________________________ > > > >>> >> Orca-list mailing list > > > >>> >> Orca-list@gnome.org > > > >>> >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > >>> > > > > >>> > _______________________________________________ > > > >>> > Orca-list mailing list > > > >>> > Orca-list@gnome.org > > > >>> > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > >>> > > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>> Orca-list mailing list > > > >>> Orca-list@gnome.org > > > >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ---------- > > > > > > > > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> Orca-list mailing list > > > >> Orca-list@gnome.org > > > >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Orca-list mailing list > > > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Orca-list mailing list > > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Orca-list mailing list > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From churst31@verizon.net Mon Apr 10 03:22:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 028623B2205 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 03:22:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06574-09 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 03:22:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25DC03B1AF9 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 03:22:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.46] ([72.78.38.169]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IXH008ETWHDO2G9@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 02:22:27 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2006 22:22:13 -0400 From: Cody Hurst Subject: Re: Orca's readiness (was Re: tarting orca) In-reply-to: <1144626707.15738.55.camel@localhost> To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: <1144635735.2841.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 (2.6.0-1) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <0IX500MNCYYXZJ@mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> <004c01c65862$617e3c20$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> <1144242869.30115.17.camel@localhost> <009801c658e4$f2f2e430$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> <1144267789.11676.23.camel@localhost> <00ca01c6590e$728bb310$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> <7E2267B5-2198-42A9-B6CB-01E9F2730C88@sun.com> <1144336378.2642.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1144626707.15738.55.camel@localhost> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.653 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.439, BAYES_00=-2.599, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06=0.478, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -0.653 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 07:22:29 -0000 hi will, Thanks for taking all suggestions, I will probably be sending a lot of them... As far as my speech delay goes in evolution, when I have an email message opened, in another window, as is the result after hitting enter on the message in the list when highlighted, I then hit escape to close it if I dont' want it, when i hit escape it it will take a while to get focus back into the main evolution window in the message list. I hope this was a little clear... As far as ff goes, take as much time as needed. Its looking good so far as I said. I will say it is a little bit useable with ff and I do use it when I can. Cody On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 19:51 -0400, Willie Walker wrote: > Hi Cody: > > Thanks again for the kind comments. > > > In both gnopernicus and orca, there are some delays in speech in some > > programs, for example, when I have focus with orca on the desktop, then > > press alt control tab to switch to m task bar, it'll take about 5 > > seconds or so for a response. This is teh same case with gnopernicus... > > My guess is that Orca is getting a flood of events from Evolution and > it's trying to keep up. We might be able to do some optimization here. > > > Also, in orca, when hitting escape out of a email message to go back > > to the inbox view, it takes a while for the focus to be regained... > > I'm not sure what you are referring to here - where are you when you hit > escape and what is the expected result? > > > other then this, I see nothing but good and high spirits. I seriously > > think that the comment that I read about orca not truly being ready for > > a home user yet is a little under estimated. > > Well...I tend to be very conservative in my statement of calling > something ready. I really do not like the notion of overselling things > and prefer to be more up front about what works, what doesn't, and when > we plan to get to what. > > > One thing about orca that does need > > improvement on is FireFox. > > Firefox is going to be a struggle for a while. We've recently > collaborated with IBM to design improvements to the AT-SPI > implementation for Firefox, but these will probably not see the light of > day until Firefox 3. We're working on some 'creative' solutions for > Firefox 2, which will probably be the first release that has any > semblance of usable support. In addition, as we progress with Firefox, > we will definitely solicit people's input. > > Thanks again! > > Will > > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From William.Walker@Sun.COM Mon Apr 10 08:34:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 176773B2446 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:34:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26004-02 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:34:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDD693B2440 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:34:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-04.sun.com ([192.18.108.178]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k3ACYjmU006930 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 06:34:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IXI00J01AWUWV00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 06:34:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IXI00BLTAXWWOP5@mail-amer.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 06:34:45 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:34:40 -0400 From: Willie Walker Subject: Evolution slowness (was Re: Orca's readiness (was Re: tarting orca)) In-reply-to: <1144635735.2841.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: <1144672480.26795.3.camel@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <0IX500MNCYYXZJ@mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> <004c01c65862$617e3c20$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> <1144242869.30115.17.camel@localhost> <009801c658e4$f2f2e430$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> <1144267789.11676.23.camel@localhost> <00ca01c6590e$728bb310$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> <7E2267B5-2198-42A9-B6CB-01E9F2730C88@sun.com> <1144336378.2642.19.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1144626707.15738.55.camel@localhost> <1144635735.2841.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.58 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.018, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.58 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:34:48 -0000 Hi Cody: Evolution is generally a bit sluggish, but there is definitely something going on that's making Orca even more sluggish in this case. I'm not quite sure what's going on, but it might be related to a couple of things: 1) Orca tries to automatically speak/braille "unbound" text when the focus changes from window to window. This can involve digging deep into the object hierarchy. The main driver for this is popup dialogs, so we might be able to limit some of this searching. 2) Evolution is indeed sending Orca a small storm of events when a window pops up and goes away. We might be able to come up with some heuristic for determining which events Orca can ignore. In the meantime, rather than popping up a new window to read an e-mail message, you can tab to it from the message summary list. The key here is to make sure you've pressed F7 to enable caret browsing. Orca will be a bit snappier this way, but the total clock time to read a message might be about the same since you're going to need to tab around a bit. Will On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 22:22 -0400, Cody Hurst wrote: > hi will, > Thanks for taking all suggestions, I will probably be sending a lot of > them... > > As far as my speech delay goes in evolution, when I have an email > message opened, in another window, as is the result after hitting enter > on the message in the list when highlighted, I then hit escape to close > it if I dont' want it, when i hit escape it it will take a while to get > focus back into the main evolution window in the message list. I hope > this was a little clear... > > As far as ff goes, take as much time as needed. Its looking good so > far as I said. I will say it is a little bit useable with ff and I do > use it when I can. > > Cody > > > > On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 19:51 -0400, Willie Walker wrote: > > Hi Cody: > > > > Thanks again for the kind comments. > > > > > In both gnopernicus and orca, there are some delays in speech in some > > > programs, for example, when I have focus with orca on the desktop, then > > > press alt control tab to switch to m task bar, it'll take about 5 > > > seconds or so for a response. This is teh same case with gnopernicus... > > > > My guess is that Orca is getting a flood of events from Evolution and > > it's trying to keep up. We might be able to do some optimization here. > > > > > Also, in orca, when hitting escape out of a email message to go back > > > to the inbox view, it takes a while for the focus to be regained... > > > > I'm not sure what you are referring to here - where are you when you hit > > escape and what is the expected result? > > > > > other then this, I see nothing but good and high spirits. I seriously > > > think that the comment that I read about orca not truly being ready for > > > a home user yet is a little under estimated. > > > > Well...I tend to be very conservative in my statement of calling > > something ready. I really do not like the notion of overselling things > > and prefer to be more up front about what works, what doesn't, and when > > we plan to get to what. > > > > > One thing about orca that does need > > > improvement on is FireFox. > > > > Firefox is going to be a struggle for a while. We've recently > > collaborated with IBM to design improvements to the AT-SPI > > implementation for Firefox, but these will probably not see the light of > > day until Firefox 3. We're working on some 'creative' solutions for > > Firefox 2, which will probably be the first release that has any > > semblance of usable support. In addition, as we progress with Firefox, > > we will definitely solicit people's input. > > > > Thanks again! > > > > Will > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Orca-list mailing list > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From William.Walker@Sun.COM Mon Apr 10 08:41:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F34A3B243D for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:41:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26319-05 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:41:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com (brmea-mail-1.Sun.COM [192.18.98.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 354DB3B244C for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:41:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-02.sun.com ([192.18.108.176]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k3ACfC3d000129 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 06:41:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IXI00501AU4B900@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 06:41:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IXI00MGAB8NKW13@mail-amer.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 06:41:12 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:41:07 -0400 From: Willie Walker Subject: Re: Navigating GAIM (was Re: tarting orca) In-reply-to: <1144635235.2841.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: <1144672867.26795.10.camel@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <0IX500MNCYYXZJ@mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> <004c01c65862$617e3c20$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> <1144242869.30115.17.camel@localhost> <009801c658e4$f2f2e430$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> <1144267789.11676.23.camel@localhost> <00ca01c6590e$728bb310$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> <8A0DC8C4-C7AB-4A4B-9821-89B524C710FE@sun.com> <1144335465.2642.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1144626088.15738.43.camel@localhost> <1144635235.2841.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.541 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.020, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_GT=0.077, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.541 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 12:41:15 -0000 Hi Cody: Great ideas. We have plans for a Configuration GUI, and Insert+O seems like a good thing to bring it up. :-) We also have specs for reading from the current caret position to the end of the file, and it's bound to KP_+. It's currently implemented rather poorly (works best only with GEdit) and needs some more smarts to deal better with the way more sophisticated applications arrange their text object model. We'll get there one step at a time. Will On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 22:13 -0400, Cody Hurst wrote: > hi will, > As well as using the insert key for doing the gaim diea, but applying > the insert key to different commands around gnome as well would be a > good idea for instance, > > insert plus O while focused on the desktop would bring up the Orca > window, I know there isn't one, but a future idea... > > Insert plus down arrow while reading an email or text file, it'll read > from current possition of caret to the end of the file... > > These are justa couple of ideas that might be implamented...I hope > these can be ok to work with... > > Cody > > \On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 19:41 -0400, Willie Walker wrote: > > Hi Cody: > > > > This is an interesting idea. Let's flesh it out some more. Would the > > idea be to use the Orca modifier key (currently "Insert") in conjunction > > with a number (0 thru 9) and interpret that number as "the last nth > > message displayed"? That is, Insert+0 would repeat the very last > > message that came in, Insert+1 would repeat the next to last, and so on. > > > > Will > > > > On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 10:57 -0400, Cody Hurst wrote: > > > hi will, > > > Maybe think about creating a script that will allow me to press > > > something like control and any number on the number line to hear > > > previous messages, if I missed one???? Thanks for the help. > > > > > > CodyOn Thu, 2006-04-06 at 07:44 -0400, Willie Walker wrote: > > > > Hi Cody: > > > > > > > > The IM window in GAIM is primarily two things: the chat area where > > > > the conversation occurs and the text area where you type. There's > > > > other stuff in there, however, such as a toolbar for smiley faces and > > > > a horizontal rule. The script for GAIM will speak/braille the text > > > > and chat areas automatically when they update, but you can use Orca's > > > > "flat review" keys to explore the window if you need to. To do so, > > > > use the keypad keys: > > > > > > > > 7 - 8 - 9 read previous, read current, read next line > > > > 4 - 5 - 6 read previous, read current, read next word > > > > 1 - 2 - 3 read previous, read current, read next character > > > > > > > > You can also use the Orca modifier key (the "Insert" key) in > > > > combination of some of the keys. To do some exploring into what keys > > > > will do what, press "Insert+F1". This will take Orca into "Learn > > > > Mode." In learn mode, you can press various keys and key > > > > combinations and Orca will tell you what they will do. To exit learn > > > > mode, press the "Escape" key. > > > > > > > > Hope this helps! > > > > > > > > Will > > > > > > > > On Apr 5, 2006, at 8:10 PM, C-DOG wrote: > > > > > > > > > hi willie! > > > > > I got speech working, its amazing. a lot better then crappy old > > > > > gnopernicus, more responsive, and itsworks with evolution mazingly. > > > > > I do have one question... > > > > > how can I navigate in a IM window in gaim?? thanks a million > > > > > c > > > > > ody > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willie Walker" > > > > > > > > > > To: "Orca screen reader developers" > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:09 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: tarting orca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Hi Cody: > > > > >> > > > > >> There could be several problems happening here. If speech isn't > > > > >> working, you might need to debug that first. Here's a fast pass I > > > > >> made > > > > >> on the WIKI for debugging speech (please let me know of changes you > > > > >> think would be helpful to make it clearer - I wrote it at night > > > > >> when I > > > > >> was kind of tired): > > > > >> > > > > >> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/GnomeSpeech > > > > >> > > > > >> If the goal is to start Orca when you log in, however, you have a > > > > >> couple > > > > >> of options. One is to tell your Linux distribution to not bring the > > > > >> graphical login up when it boots. The method for doing this > > > > >> unfortunately varies by distribution. With this option, you can add > > > > >> orca to your ~/.xinitrc file and then start the graphical desktop > > > > >> using > > > > >> xinit. > > > > >> > > > > >> Another option is to bring up the System->Preferences->Sessions > > > > >> application (also known as gnome-session-properties from the command > > > > >> line) and add orca as a startup program. > > > > >> > > > > >> In either case, you might actually want to point to a script that > > > > >> starts > > > > >> orca - that way you can do some pre-run cleanup of stuff if needed > > > > >> (e.g., kill synthesis drivers that might be hung and such). > > > > >> Attached > > > > >> is a script that does some of this pre-run cleanup. I'm not really > > > > >> advocating its use too widely, though, because Orca should not > > > > >> rely upon > > > > >> this kind of thing for proper behavior. Instead, it should be > > > > >> able to > > > > >> gracefully recover from bad things as much as possible or at least > > > > >> give > > > > >> you an informative message about what's causing it pain. But, it > > > > >> should > > > > >> at least be able to help you get going. > > > > >> > > > > >> Will > > > > >> > > > > >> On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 12:12 -0700, C-DOG wrote: > > > > >>> hi will, > > > > >>> but what is a way to avoid this? I mean, running orca from the > > > > >>> terminal > > > > >>> probably wont' do the same thing will it? I have tried starting > > > > >>> orca from > > > > >>> the gnome terminal and minimising the terminal, and using it but > > > > >>> get no > > > > >>> speech. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> cody > > > > >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willie Walker" > > > > >>> > > > > >>> To: "Orca screen reader developers" > > > > >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 6:14 AM > > > > >>> Subject: Re: tarting orca > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > Hi Cody: > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > This looks like it might be related to a GTK+ crasher: > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326362 > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > The main culprit that makes it happen seems to be the run > > > > >>> dialog. If > > > > >>> > you can avoid doing that until the crasher is fixed by the gtk > > > > >>> folks, > > > > >>> > then things might go better for you. > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > Hope this helps, > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > Will > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > On Tue, 2006-04-04 at 20:38 -0700, C-DOG wrote: > > > > >>> >> actually I can get through the setup, if I type orca in the > > > > >>> terminal > > > > >>> >> then it will say welcome to orca. this does not happen in the run > > > > >>> >> dialogue in the gui of gnome it just crashes the pannel.cody > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Mike > > > > >>> Pedersen > > > > >>> >> To: 'Orca screen reader developers' > > > > >>> >> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 1:44 PM > > > > >>> >> Subject: RE: tarting orca > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> Hello Cody, > > > > >>> >> I have opened a terminal and typed > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> orca-setup > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> I get a prompt asking me which voice I want. I > > > > >>> can't > > > > >>> >> quite understand the 2 options, so I select > > > > >>> one, then > > > > >>> >> i am asked for speak echo charactors, I say Y > > > > >>> for yes, > > > > >>> >> after this I get no speech, what is going > > > > >>> wrong? I > > > > >>> >> have managed to get this far. I still can't > > > > >>> get out of > > > > >>> >> a terminal window, is there another type of > > > > >>> setup I > > > > >>> >> need to do? > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> After you finish orca-setup you will not have > > > > >>> speech > > > > >>> >> until you type orca. What happens if you type > > > > >>> orca in > > > > >>> >> the terminal prompt? > > > > >>> >> Mike > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> ______________________________________________________________ > > > > >>> >> > > > > >>> >> _______________________________________________ > > > > >>> >> Orca-list mailing list > > > > >>> >> Orca-list@gnome.org > > > > >>> >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > > >>> >> _______________________________________________ > > > > >>> >> Orca-list mailing list > > > > >>> >> Orca-list@gnome.org > > > > >>> >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > _______________________________________________ > > > > >>> > Orca-list mailing list > > > > >>> > Orca-list@gnome.org > > > > >>> > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > > >>> > > > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > > > >>> Orca-list mailing list > > > > >>> Orca-list@gnome.org > > > > >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > ---------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > >> Orca-list mailing list > > > > >> Orca-list@gnome.org > > > > >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Orca-list mailing list > > > > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Orca-list mailing list > > > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Orca-list mailing list > > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Orca-list mailing list > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM Mon Apr 10 10:59:15 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DAB03B0A75 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:59:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03424-08 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:59:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C00923B0701 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:59:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-06.sun.com ([192.18.108.180]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k3AExBZe005371 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:59:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IXI00H01HEEFC00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:59:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [129.146.91.236] by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IXI00EJFHMMST10@mail-amer.sun.com>; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:59:11 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 07:57:45 -0700 From: Rich Burridge Subject: Re: Orca Missing description in planner's toggle button In-reply-to: <0IXH00J6BG13XN@mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> Sender: Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: <443A7269.9070609@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <0IXH00J6BG13XN@mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060327) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.596 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.002, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.596 X-Spam-Level: Cc: mike.pedersen@sbcglobal.net X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 14:59:15 -0000 Mike Pedersen wrote: >> I believe this is called a Ribbon in GUI terms. The wider you >> have the planner window, the more of them you see as >> graphical button in a single strip of "ribbon". >> The rest of the items are put in a popup menu (single line >> text entries) which you can bring up by clicking on the arrow >> button to the right of the ribbon >> >> Planner should have some accessible name/description for this >> component. >> I'll file a bug on Monday. >> >> We can easily work around this in the Orca planner.py script. >> Mike, what would you like to see spoken/brailled here? >> > It sounds like we will see this situation in more places than just the > planner. Can you give me more applications where we will see this behavior? > I'd like to come up with a generic answer if possible. > I've not seen this in any other GNOME GUI. I understand Windows Vista is going to use it in a big way though. I suggest we take the approach we've used before, of just doing something in the specific script (planner.py in this case), until we come across another instance of it. Then we can generalize it and move it up to default.py. As Will pointed out, we should be focused on the higher priority items that we still need to do (like proper keyboard echo), so once you have the phrase you'd like spoken/brailled there, I'd like to just work with one of the Orca community members (Javier maybe?), to generate a change to make this work. I'll then be happy to check it over and commit it when it's looking good. Thanks. > Thanks > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > From javier@tiflolinux.org Mon Apr 10 13:11:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 537283B26D4 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:11:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13349-09 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:11:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tiflolinux.org (unknown [82.158.40.139]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5A6B3B26D0 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:11:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (uid 503) by tiflolinux.org with local; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:19:47 +0200 id 000E9F2E.443AA1C3.0000256E Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:19:47 +0200 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fco=2E_Javier_Dorado_Mart=EDnez?=" To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20060410181947.GA8995@tiflolinux.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Operating-System: Linux tiflolinux.org 2.4.20-8 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.10i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.532 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.121, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL=1.946] X-Spam-Score: -0.532 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Orca would be nice to disable speech? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:11:37 -0000 Hi to all At this moment I am working with the terminal, checking out the latest Evolution sources from CVS. I have the problem of having too much output by speech and I have to control to shut up the speech. I have thought about the possibility with a keystroke to enable / disable speech output. This is very nice also when you are compiling a program, or just updating the packages with apt-get, etc. I am only interested in the final output to check if everything it's OK or there are errors. What do you think about this? Thanks, Javier From William.Walker@Sun.COM Mon Apr 10 13:14:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84D8B3B2693 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:14:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13574-04 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:14:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com (brmea-mail-1.Sun.COM [192.18.98.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2B733B2689 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:14:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.108.183]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k3AHEE3d000039 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:14:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IXI00I01NVJW600@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:14:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IXI00EJRNVPSLTV@mail-amer.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:14:14 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:14:12 -0400 From: Willie Walker Subject: Re: Orca would be nice to disable speech? In-reply-to: <20060410181947.GA8995@tiflolinux.org> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: <1144689252.1595.14.camel@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT References: <20060410181947.GA8995@tiflolinux.org> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.58 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.018, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.58 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:14:17 -0000 This is a great idea - can you please log it as an RFE so we don't forget about it? http://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=orca Thanks! Will On Mon, 2006-04-10 at 20:19 +0200, Fco. Javier Dorado Martínez wrote: > Hi to all > > At this moment I am working with the terminal, checking out the latest Evolution sources from CVS. > I have the problem of having too much output by speech and I have to control to shut up the speech. > I have thought about the possibility with a keystroke to enable / disable speech output. This is very nice also when you are compiling a program, or just updating the packages with apt-get, etc. I am only interested in the final output to check if everything it's OK or there are errors. > > What do you think about this? > > Thanks, > > Javier > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From Michael.Pedersen@Sun.COM Mon Apr 10 13:16:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 450263B26E7 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13812-05 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:16:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nwkea-mail-2.sun.com (nwkea-mail-2.sun.com [192.18.42.14]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B1DF3B26E8 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:16:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phys-mpk-2 ([129.146.11.82]) by nwkea-mail-2.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k3AHGOO0024956 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:16:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com by mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.24 (built Dec 19 2003)) id <0IXI00G01NKSRE@mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> (original mail from Michael.Pedersen@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:16:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toshiba (vpn-129-150-22-227.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.150.22.227]) by mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.24 (built Dec 19 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IXI00F2DNZC9T@mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:16:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:16:23 -0700 From: Mike Pedersen Subject: RE: Orca would be nice to disable speech? In-reply-to: <20060410181947.GA8995@tiflolinux.org> To: "'Orca screen reader developers'" Message-id: <0IXI00F2FNZC9T@mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcZcwd82QmWMJ2OvSCKTq4w68ybEXQAAGLsg X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.569 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.830, BAYES_20=-0.74, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.569 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 17:16:31 -0000 Hi Javier > At this moment I am working with the terminal, checking out > the latest Evolution sources from CVS. > I have the problem of having too much output by speech and I > have to control to shut up the speech. > I have thought about the possibility with a keystroke to > enable / disable speech output. This is very nice also when > you are compiling a program, or just updating the packages > with apt-get, etc. I am only interested in the final output > to check if everything it's OK or there are errors. > > What do you think about this? We have talked about this and it will be happening as others including my self would ind this quite useful. Mike From wvdwalt@csir.co.za Tue Apr 11 03:16:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFA773B147F for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 03:16:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29921-01 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 03:16:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from apollo.csir.co.za (mx-4.csir.co.za [146.64.10.99]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A97213B29A1 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 03:15:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([146.64.19.125]) by apollo.csir.co.za (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k3B7FMBk016911 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 09:15:22 +0200 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3B7DiVu026977 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 09:13:44 +0200 Received: from localhost (wvdwalt@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id k3B7Dh25026959 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 09:13:44 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: wvdwalt owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 09:13:43 +0200 (SAST) From: Willem van der Walt X-X-Sender: wvdwalt@localhost.localdomain To: Orca screen reader developers Subject: Re: Orca would be nice to disable speech? 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The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --8323328-961266476-1144739623=:18046 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE If one cannot stop the thing from speaking by moving to another window or= =20 some thing, yes, then we require a way to temporary silence the speech. Regards, Willem On Mon, 10 Apr 2006, Fco. Javier Dorado Mart=EDnez wrote: > Hi to all > > At this moment I am working with the terminal, checking out the latest Ev= olution sources from CVS. > I have the problem of having too much output by speech and I have to cont= rol to shut up the speech. > I have thought about the possibility with a keystroke to enable / disable= speech output. 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MailScanner thanks Transtec Computers for the= ir support. --8323328-961266476-1144739623=:18046-- From FDMA@once.es Tue Apr 11 04:03:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B23C23B13A0 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 04:03:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32258-01 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 04:03:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx.once.es (mx.once.es [217.149.152.66]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 631DB3B1331 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 04:03:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omail01.once.org (unknown [172.24.1.51]) by mx.once.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65C8731AE for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:03:44 +0200 (MEST) Received: by OMAIL01.once.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:03:12 +0200 Message-ID: <178EEBC4C5E55548A84E8B18F52AF80010FB2FEB@omailcl.once.org> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Dorado_Mart=EDnez=2C_Francisco_Javier=22?= To: Orca screen reader developers Subject: RE: Orca Missing description in planner's toggle button Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:03:13 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.561 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.038, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.561 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:03:23 -0000 -----Mensaje original----- De: Rich Burridge [mailto:Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM] Enviado el: lunes, 10 de abril de 2006 16:58 Para: Orca screen reader developers CC: mike.pedersen@sbcglobal.net Asunto: Re: Orca Missing description in planner's toggle button Mike Pedersen wrote: >> I believe this is called a Ribbon in GUI terms. The wider you >> have the planner window, the more of them you see as >> graphical button in a single strip of "ribbon". >> The rest of the items are put in a popup menu (single line >> text entries) which you can bring up by clicking on the arrow >> button to the right of the ribbon I didn't know this, every day you learn something new :-) (smile) >> >> Planner should have some accessible name/description for this >> component. >> I'll file a bug on Monday. I think so, the good would be a description for this, gedit has a similar ribbon for opening files, near to open's button, but is described and named suitable. In this case is to display the files opened recently, and Orca says "open a recently used file". >> >> We can easily work around this in the Orca planner.py script. Mike, >> what would you like to see spoken/brailled here? >> Could be "display more options" or "show the rest of the elements" .... ?? > It sounds like we will see this situation in more places than just the > planner. Can you give me more applications where we will see this > behavior? I'd like to come up with a generic answer if possible. Well, my sighted friend told me some examples, in Gedit if you resize the application's window so that no enough space to display the complete toolbar a ribbon appears and a toggle button with no description and you press it to show a menu with the other options not visible. This behavior cannot be reproducible in all applications, We have tried in bluefish or gtranslator and you cannot change the window's size, so the toolbar keeps with all options. But another good example is the sound recorder application, if you reduce the application's window size, in the toolbar appears a new toggle button with a ribbon in the same way as gedit and planner. > I've not seen this in any other GNOME GUI. I understand Windows Vista is going to use it in a big way though. I don't know why in Windows, is supposed We are going to have all the "vista" (in spanish vista = ability to see) lol. >I suggest we take the approach we've used before, of just doing >something in >the specific script (planner.py in this case), until we come across >another instance >of it. Then we can generalize it and move it up to default.py. >I don't know a good way to move this to default, cause I don't know >if another toggle button's to do another things will be present in >toolbars. I have thought a solution if role is toggle button and if >its parent is a toolbar then add a description if it doesn't have one >yet. ?? >As Will pointed out, we should be focused on the higher priority >items that we still need to do (like proper keyboard echo), so once > you have the phrase you'd like spoken/brailled there, I'd like to >just work with one of the Orca community members (Javier maybe?), to >generate a change to make this work. I'll then be happy to check it >over and commit it when it's looking good. I am learning now, and if possible I would be happy to make these changes with your help. Thanks. > Thanks > Mike > Regards, Javier From FDMA@once.es Tue Apr 11 04:17:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DC7D3B29E9 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 04:17:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00735-03 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 04:17:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx.once.es (mx.once.es [217.149.152.66]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F9F83B1E19 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 04:17:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omail01.once.org (unknown [172.24.1.51]) by mx.once.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id C11E93217 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:17:56 +0200 (MEST) Received: by OMAIL01.once.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:17:25 +0200 Message-ID: <178EEBC4C5E55548A84E8B18F52AF80010FB3028@omailcl.once.org> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Dorado_Mart=EDnez=2C_Francisco_Javier=22?= To: Orca screen reader developers Subject: RE: Orca would be nice to disable speech? Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:17:25 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.565 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.034, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.565 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:17:29 -0000 > -----Mensaje original----- > De: Willem van der Walt [mailto:wvdwalt@csir.co.za]=20 > Enviado el: martes, 11 de abril de 2006 9:14 > Para: Orca screen reader developers > Asunto: Re: Orca would be nice to disable speech? >=20 >=20 > If one cannot stop the thing from speaking by moving to=20 > another window or=20 > some thing, yes, then we require a way to temporary silence=20 > the speech. Regards, Willem Or simply if you want to use the soundcard, to listen audio. Even if you want to sleep without hearing your speech synthesizer :-) (smile). I changed window while I was getting the sources from CVS, but in a = program compilation the process is more quickly, better to have possibility to silence speech. Even more would be useful in terminal to press a key, = the synths stop and when no more output is produced the speech comes again available automatically. I have seen this in some MS-DOS screen = readers.=20 Regards, Javier >=20 >=20 > On Mon, 10 Apr 2006, Fco. Javier Dorado Mart=EDnez wrote: >=20 > > Hi to all > > > > At this moment I am working with the terminal, checking out=20 > the latest=20 > > Evolution sources from CVS. I have the problem of having too much=20 > > output by speech and I have to control to shut up the=20 > speech. I have=20 > > thought about the possibility with a keystroke to enable / disable=20 > > speech output. This is very nice also when you are compiling a=20 > > program, or just updating the packages with apt-get, etc. I am only = > > interested in the final output to check if everything it's=20 > OK or there=20 > > are errors. > > > > What do you think about this? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Javier > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Orca-list mailing list > > Orca-list@gnome.org = http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > --=20 > This message is subject to the CSIR's copyright, terms and=20 > conditions and e-mail legal notice. 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MailScanner thanks Transtec=20 > Computers for their support. >=20 >=20 From William.Walker@Sun.COM Tue Apr 11 07:19:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A04633B2AFE for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 07:19:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10318-04 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 07:19:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F8313B2AF8 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 07:19:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-06.sun.com ([192.18.108.180]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k3BBJVmU000240 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 05:19:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IXK0020110X4M00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 05:19:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IXK0007Q24GR950@mail-amer.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 05:19:31 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 07:19:27 -0400 From: Willie Walker Subject: RE: Orca Missing description in planner's toggle button In-reply-to: <178EEBC4C5E55548A84E8B18F52AF80010FB2FEB@omailcl.once.org> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: <1144754367.15818.89.camel@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <178EEBC4C5E55548A84E8B18F52AF80010FB2FEB@omailcl.once.org> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.581 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.581 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:19:35 -0000 > I think so, the good would be a description for this, gedit has a similar > ribbon for opening files, near to open's button, but is described and named > suitable. In this case is to display the files opened recently, and Orca > says "open a recently used file". > >> > >> We can easily work around this in the Orca planner.py script. Mike, > >> what would you like to see spoken/brailled here? > >> > Could be "display more options" or "show the rest of the elements" .... ?? We could add some logic to Orca to detect an unnamed toggle button at the end of a toolbar and force the name to "display more options." At the same time, I'd opt to log a bug against the application developers to make sure these graphics-only buttons have an accessible name set appropriately. A lot of what we do in Orca is a two-pronged approach: provide workarounds in Orca scripts to accommodate odd behavior in applications, but also log bugs against the applications to fix it at the source. The trick often becomes creating a solution in Orca that works with both the bad and good behaviors. In any case, if someone wants to give it a shot, I'd first try by doing something localized to the planner script, get it to work, and then maybe push it upwards. The logic might be as follows: Provide a new SpeechGenerator as is done in the gedit script. This will subclass the "global" SpeechGenerator and will override the _getSpeechForToggleButton method. In this method, do the logic to check for a toggle button with no name in a toolbar. If this happens, don't use the calls to _getSpeechForLabelAndRole, but build up the utterance manually using _("Display more options") as the label. It's also important to document why this is being done (e.g., "We're doing this to accommodate those nasty triangular shaped buttons in toolbars that have no labels but are used to present the user with more options."). You'll also need to do something similar for the BrailleGenerator. Will From William.Walker@Sun.COM Tue Apr 11 07:23:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA0D63B2B09 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 07:23:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10511-02 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 07:23:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36BD23B2B07 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 07:23:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-06.sun.com ([192.18.108.180]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k3BBN8Ze004102 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 05:23:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IXK0020110X4M00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 05:23:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IXK0008P2AKR950@mail-amer.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 05:23:08 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 07:23:07 -0400 From: Willie Walker Subject: Re: Orca would be nice to disable speech? In-reply-to: Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: <1144754587.15818.94.camel@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT References: <20060410181947.GA8995@tiflolinux.org> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.581 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.581 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:23:11 -0000 Orca does not restrict unfocused windows from speaking, and relies upon the script to be a polite citizen and speak only when needed. So...it looks like a silence option would be very useful. If there were a keystroke to toggle speech on and off, does anyone have a strong preference for what this keystroke should be? Will On Tue, 2006-04-11 at 09:13 +0200, Willem van der Walt wrote: > If one cannot stop the thing from speaking by moving to another window or > some thing, yes, then we require a way to temporary silence the speech. > Regards, Willem > > > On Mon, 10 Apr 2006, Fco. Javier Dorado Martínez wrote: > > > Hi to all > > > > At this moment I am working with the terminal, checking out the latest Evolution sources from CVS. > > I have the problem of having too much output by speech and I have to control to shut up the speech. > > I have thought about the possibility with a keystroke to enable / disable speech output. This is very nice also when you are compiling a program, or just updating the packages with apt-get, etc. I am only interested in the final output to check if everything it's OK or there are errors. > > > > What do you think about this? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Javier > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Orca-list mailing list > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From FDMA@once.es Tue Apr 11 07:38:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4A143B2B16 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 07:38:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11010-03 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 07:38:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx.once.es (mx.once.es [217.149.152.66]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94E6B3B2AFD for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 07:38:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omail01.once.org (unknown [172.24.1.51]) by mx.once.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB6D933AC for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:39:00 +0200 (MEST) Received: by OMAIL01.once.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:38:30 +0200 Message-ID: <178EEBC4C5E55548A84E8B18F52AF80010FB33DE@omailcl.once.org> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Dorado_Mart=EDnez=2C_Francisco_Javier=22?= To: Orca screen reader developers Subject: RE: Orca would be nice to disable speech? Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:38:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.568 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.031, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.568 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:38:34 -0000 Hi to all=20 I think insert + q (quiet) cause insert + s now is reinitialization. But I like insert + s (speech on/off). Does it possible to use more modifiers? Insert + control + s for example or with shift. Regards, Javier =20 > -----Mensaje original----- > De: Willie Walker [mailto:William.Walker@Sun.COM]=20 > Enviado el: martes, 11 de abril de 2006 13:23 > Para: Orca screen reader developers > Asunto: Re: Orca would be nice to disable speech? >=20 >=20 > Orca does not restrict unfocused windows from speaking, and=20 > relies upon the script to be a polite citizen and speak only=20 > when needed. So...it looks like a silence option would be=20 > very useful. If there were a keystroke to toggle speech on=20 > and off, does anyone have a strong preference for what this=20 > keystroke should be? >=20 > Will >=20 > On Tue, 2006-04-11 at 09:13 +0200, Willem van der Walt wrote: > > If one cannot stop the thing from speaking by moving to=20 > another window=20 > > or > > some thing, yes, then we require a way to temporary silence=20 > the speech. > > Regards, Willem > >=20 > >=20 > > On Mon, 10 Apr 2006, Fco. Javier Dorado Mart=EDnez wrote: > >=20 > > > Hi to all > > > > > > At this moment I am working with the terminal, checking out the=20 > > > latest Evolution sources from CVS. I have the problem of=20 > having too=20 > > > much output by speech and I have to control to shut up=20 > the speech. I=20 > > > have thought about the possibility with a keystroke to enable /=20 > > > disable speech output. This is very nice also when you=20 > are compiling=20 > > > a program, or just updating the packages with apt-get, etc. I am=20 > > > only interested in the final output to check if=20 > everything it's OK=20 > > > or there are errors. > > > > > > What do you think about this? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Javier > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Orca-list mailing list > > > Orca-list@gnome.org=20 > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-> list > > > > >=20 > _______________________________________________ > >=20 > Orca-list mailing list > > Orca-list@gnome.org = http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >=20 From William.Walker@Sun.COM Tue Apr 11 08:02:24 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E9133B2B3D for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:02:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12804-07 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:02:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65F5B3B2B50 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:01:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-02.sun.com ([192.18.108.176]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k3BC1AJO027803 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:01:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IXK009012QW2100@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:01:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IXK000U141XWP34@mail-amer.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:01:10 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:01:08 -0400 From: Willie Walker Subject: RE: Orca would be nice to disable speech? In-reply-to: <178EEBC4C5E55548A84E8B18F52AF80010FB33DE@omailcl.once.org> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: <1144756869.10064.1.camel@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT References: <178EEBC4C5E55548A84E8B18F52AF80010FB33DE@omailcl.once.org> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.582 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.016, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.582 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:02:24 -0000 We can easily move the reinitialization stuff somewhere else, and it is also possible to use more modifiers. Perhaps Insert+s for on/off and Ctrl+Insert+s for reinitialization? Will On Tue, 2006-04-11 at 13:38 +0200, "Dorado Martínez, Francisco Javier" wrote: > Hi to all > > I think insert + q (quiet) cause insert + s now is reinitialization. > But I like insert + s (speech on/off). Does it possible to use more > modifiers? Insert + control + s for example or with shift. > > > Regards, > > Javier > > > > -----Mensaje original----- > > De: Willie Walker [mailto:William.Walker@Sun.COM] > > Enviado el: martes, 11 de abril de 2006 13:23 > > Para: Orca screen reader developers > > Asunto: Re: Orca would be nice to disable speech? > > > > > > Orca does not restrict unfocused windows from speaking, and > > relies upon the script to be a polite citizen and speak only > > when needed. So...it looks like a silence option would be > > very useful. If there were a keystroke to toggle speech on > > and off, does anyone have a strong preference for what this > > keystroke should be? > > > > Will > > > > On Tue, 2006-04-11 at 09:13 +0200, Willem van der Walt wrote: > > > If one cannot stop the thing from speaking by moving to > > another window > > > or > > > some thing, yes, then we require a way to temporary silence > > the speech. > > > Regards, Willem > > > > > > > > > On Mon, 10 Apr 2006, Fco. Javier Dorado Martínez wrote: > > > > > > > Hi to all > > > > > > > > At this moment I am working with the terminal, checking out the > > > > latest Evolution sources from CVS. I have the problem of > > having too > > > > much output by speech and I have to control to shut up > > the speech. I > > > > have thought about the possibility with a keystroke to enable / > > > > disable speech output. This is very nice also when you > > are compiling > > > > a program, or just updating the packages with apt-get, etc. I am > > > > only interested in the final output to check if > > everything it's OK > > > > or there are errors. > > > > > > > > What do you think about this? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Javier > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Orca-list mailing list > > > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-> list > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Orca-list mailing list > > > Orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Orca-list mailing list > > Orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From alpuzz@gmail.com Tue Apr 11 09:29:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C120B3B1BB3 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 09:29:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18795-01 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 09:29:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.230]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97ABE3B163F for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 09:29:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i6so1069872wra for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:29:34 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=R0mLTc//J6xrhOyrgFYs1wy2nPyU5INa5HMxDYMdZzIFqLJ9KuT4MVbdz4GJKuSHaKK723qG3QfYahayz7JLarswOtThFqt0Ks18B9PK6T8J5EDCN8FC1FvkdiexCnNfk8Do6LIST0xQI8BVr//wx+Ha5+bASgUjUTYEiej6Jak= Received: by 10.54.156.14 with SMTP id d14mr1803948wre; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:29:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thinkpad ( [68.41.20.163]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 10sm2101061wrl.2006.04.11.06.29.33; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 06:29:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001b01c65d6b$f8a785d0$6901a8c0@thinkpad> From: "Al Puzzuoli" To: "Orca List" Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 09:29:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C65D4A.70EC8670" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.795 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.930, BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_50_60=0.134, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -0.795 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Orca Issues with system-config-kickstart? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:29:38 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C65D4A.70EC8670 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I'm experiencing some weirdness with system-config-kickstart in both = Ubuntu, as well as FC5. In Ubuntu, I can run the program, and orca = initially has major focus issues; However, once I can finally get orca = to focus on the configurator window, things read reasonably well. In FC5, orca just reports that the program is inaccessible; but, I = distinctly remember using the Fedora version of system-config-kickstart = with Orca a few months back, so not sure what has changed. Just wondering whether others are seeing similar issues? Thanks, --Al ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C65D4A.70EC8670 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,
 
I'm experiencing some weirdness with=20 system-config-kickstart in both Ubuntu, as well as FC5.  In Ubuntu, = I can=20 run the program, and orca initially has major focus issues; However, = once I can=20 finally get orca to focus on the configurator window, things read = reasonably=20 well.
In FC5, orca just reports that the = program is=20 inaccessible; but, I distinctly remember using the Fedora version of=20 system-config-kickstart with Orca a few months back, so not sure what = has=20 changed.
 
 
Just wondering whether others are = seeing similar=20 issues?
 
Thanks,
 
--Al
 
------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C65D4A.70EC8670-- From Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM Tue Apr 11 11:51:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 643123B2D09 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:51:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28647-09 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:50:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17A133B2CFD for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:50:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-06.sun.com ([192.18.108.180]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k3BFovJO019312 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 09:50:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IXK00C01EFQKH00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 09:50:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [129.146.91.109] by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IXK0004DEOWRA30@mail-amer.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 09:50:57 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:49:30 -0700 From: Rich Burridge Subject: Re: Orca Missing description in planner's toggle button In-reply-to: <1144754367.15818.89.camel@localhost> Sender: Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: <443BD00A.9060407@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <178EEBC4C5E55548A84E8B18F52AF80010FB2FEB@omailcl.once.org> <1144754367.15818.89.camel@localhost> User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060327) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.596 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.002, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.596 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 15:51:01 -0000 Willie Walker wrote: > We could add some logic to Orca to detect an unnamed toggle button at > the end of a toolbar and force the name to "display more options." At > the same time, I'd opt to log a bug against the application developers > to make sure these graphics-only buttons have an accessible name set > appropriately. > I've filed two bugs on this: Bug #338094 against planner for the original problem. Bug #338097 against Orca, to try to provide an initial workaround for this in the planner.py script. I've captured Will's comments, on how to go about doing this, in that bug too. From Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM Tue Apr 11 13:25:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F54B3B0643 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03376-02 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:25:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 525773B14A2 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:25:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-02.sun.com ([192.18.108.176]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k3BHPOJO004542 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:25:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IXK00301IJZ3M00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:25:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [129.146.91.109] by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IXK00KIAJ2BMR30@mail-amer.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 11 Apr 2006 11:25:24 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:23:57 -0700 From: Rich Burridge Subject: Another Orca Flag Day. Sender: Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: <443BE62D.3020008@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060327) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.596 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.002, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.596 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:25:34 -0000 For those of you checking out Orca from CVS HEAD, it's another flag day that will require you to re-run orca-setup. I've made various changes to try to put a better infra-structure in place for key echo and echoing by word (for text and terminal components). The full list of changes I've made are given at the end of this message. To quote the "Key and Word Echo Requirements" spec. that we are currently putting together: "Key echo applies to the entire keyboard and is for echoing keys as they are pressed. The keys are broken into the following groups that the user can optionally enable for echoing: o Alphanumeric and punctuation keys o Modifier keys: CTRL, ALT, Shift, Insert, and "Fn" on laptops. o Locking keys: Caps Lock, Num Lock, Scroll Lock, etc. o Function keys: The keys at the top of the keyboard. o Action keys: space, enter, escape, tab, backspace, delete, arrow keys, page up, page down, etc. When a key from any enabled group is pressed, the key will be spoken." When you run orca-setup now, after selecting your speech engine and voice, you will get a sequence of questions that will be one of the following (depending upon whether you want key echo enabled): With key echo enabled: ... Enable echo by word? Enter y or n: Enable key echo? Enter y or n: y Enable alphanumeric and punctuation keys? Enter y or n: Enable modifier keys? Enter y or n: Enable locking keys? Enter y or n: Enable function keys? Enter y or n: Enable action keys? Enter y or n: Enable Braille Monitor? Enter y or n: ... With key echo disabled: ... Enable echo by word? Enter y or n: Enable key echo? Enter y or n: n Enable Braille Monitor? Enter y or n: ... Notice you don't get asked the extra five questions with regards to the different key types, if you say you don't want key echo. Each will automatically be set to False (disabled). These setting are written to your ~/.orca/user-settings.py file Note that echoing by word is not currently implemented. Note also that there might be some tweaks needed to get key echoing doing everything exactly the way we want it. Hopefully these will be easy to find and fix now the big change to the Orca code has been done. If you find any problems, please report them to the list. I'll be out on vacation on Thursday (for a week), so if you find problems before then, I'll try to deal with them, otherwise Will has kindly offered to help for the week after that. -- Changes made: * src/orca/settings.py src/orca/orca.py src/orca/default.py src/orca/orca-setup.in Changes to the way key echo work per the key and word echo requirements spec. Key echo applies to the entire keyboard and is for echoing keys as they are pressed. The keys are broken into the following groups that the user can optionally enable for echoing: o Alphanumeric and punctuation keys o Modifier keys: CTRL, ALT, Shift, Insert, and "Fn" on laptops. o Locking keys: Caps Lock, Num Lock, Scroll Lock, etc. o Function keys: The keys at the top of the keyboard. o Action keys: space, enter, escape, tab, backspace, delete, arrow keys, page up, page down, etc. When a key from any enabled group is pressed, the key will be spoken. The onTextInserted() method only speaks the text associated with the "object:text-change:insert" event if key echoing and echoing of printable characters are both enabled. The orca-setup.in script has been adjusted to ask various questions to allow the user to setup whether these types of keys will be echoed or not. * src/orca/settings.py src/orca/braille.py src/orca/focus_tracking_presenter.py src/orca/orca.py src/orca/orca-setup.in Refactoring of use to enable for various settings to be consistent in style with the names for the new keyboard enabling types. The orca-setup.in script has been adjusted to use these new names. From alpuzz@gmail.com Thu Apr 13 23:18:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A0D63B368A for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 23:18:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24886-03 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 23:18:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.192]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E32C23B128B for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 23:18:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id h30so1751570wxd for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:18:38 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=ZQoaOcQdHJJtxQx1TAs6PxXMegcHoyI1G2XLlGpsCcbp0ctLSy74P6mex1aUXXgmdpHAtpKO9PGJOeTzdWf/hSatE+pG7izC0Ns463xitZ7lRolfDvR0bBdmg/M+0hIwJGYLp+CxCeIRpQlBG06KsYEOimTWwhrH8X+95aTtOUQ= Received: by 10.70.7.11 with SMTP id 11mr1500423wxg; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:18:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thinkpad ( [68.41.20.163]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id h8sm416724wxd.2006.04.13.20.18.36; Thu, 13 Apr 2006 20:18:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002201c65f72$1e416330$6901a8c0@thinkpad> From: "Al Puzzuoli" To: "Orca List" , "Devel" , "Gnome accessibility" Subject: Making Orca the default screen reader? Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 23:18:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.846 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.846, BAYES_50=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -0.846 X-Spam-Level: Cc: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 03:18:44 -0000 Hi all, Just wondering what would need to happen in order to get Orca officially added as part of the desktop, and to ultimately have it become the default screen reader for the gnome environment? I understand that gnome 2.14 was just released, and that Orca itself is still in prerelease status, so, this obviously wouldn't be a decision that would be made over night. however, I believe this should be given strong consideration for a number of reasons: Orca is scriptible. The advantages of that fact alone are quite apparent. Although the program is still in its infancy, look at the level of accessibility it has already provided to popular desktop applications, such as Evolution, GAIM, and star office, just to name a few. Once the community begins scripting applications in earnest, the possibilities will be exciting to say the least. It functions well out of the box, and there is virtually no learning curve. Most applications that feature a standard UI just work. The contents of dialogs are for the most part read automatically, and if need be, flat review mode provides a very intuitive means by which to explore applications in greater detail. Over all, I think most of us who have used the program thus far would agree that it already offers the most comfortable UI, as well as significantly more power and flexibility than the alternatives. Again, I'm not sure how this process works, but if the input of the user community carries any weight, then I definitely count myself as someone who would like to see this happen. --Al From William.Walker@Sun.COM Fri Apr 14 09:10:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EF873B1C41 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 09:10:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22683-06 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 09:10:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 152863B1C3F for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 09:10:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-03.sun.com ([192.18.108.177]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k3EDAamU028222 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 07:10:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IXP00J01QY95A00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 07:10:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.105] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IXP001NHR9N4X44@mail-amer.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 07:10:35 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 09:10:33 -0400 From: Willie Walker Subject: Re: Another Orca Flag Day. In-reply-to: <443BE62D.3020008@sun.com> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: <1145020233.16179.130.camel@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <443BE62D.3020008@sun.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.582 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.016, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.582 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:10:39 -0000 > For those of you checking out Orca from CVS HEAD, it's another > flag day that will require you to re-run orca-setup. I've done yet another. This one gets rid of the confusing two-tier user settings. The previous model used to first look to the user-settings.py module for settings, and then fallback to the settings.py module. This was rather confusing, especially if a script would attempt to temporarily override a setting and not see it take effect because there was an overriding setting in user-settings.py. We actually ran into this problem this week; the head scratching followed by the "AHA!" moment led to this change. :-) The new model is that user-settings.py directly sets properties in settings.py, eliminating the two tier approach. In addition, the current model is that all other modules that use settings will lazily check a setting each time it is used. As part of this change, the orca.py module now has a _loadUserSettings method that will either import or reload the user-settings.py module. The previous model also had default values sprinkled throughout the orca modules as well as in settings.py. Default values are now maintained only in settings.py, simplifying things even further. A side impact of this change is that users can modify their user-settings.py module and dynamically reload it without needing to restart Orca. This "reload" function is currently bound temporarily to Insert+ctrl+s. Will From churst31@verizon.net Fri Apr 14 09:16:00 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C25B3B1CA2 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 09:15:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23269-04 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 09:15:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3472D3B193B for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 09:15:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 4jdbtg639263d6 ([72.78.45.102]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IXP00A02RHHTJS2@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 08:15:18 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 09:15:13 -0700 From: "C-DOG" Subject: orca 2 issues To: "Orca screen reader developers" Message-id: <000c01c65fde$9cc80350$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C65FA3.EFB40C20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.394 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.515, BAYES_50=0.001, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: 0.394 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:16:00 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C65FA3.EFB40C20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi all, I am noticing 2 problems. 1. When in gaim and inside an IM window with another person, I was told = that orca will automatically read incoming messages. I don't see this = happening. What should I do 2. Not sure if this is a bug or problem, but certainly an issue. I can = not tell when the caps lock is on or off. Orca needs to announce this, = or speak with a higher pitch if it was accidentally hit. Thanx for considering these 2 things... cody ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C65FA3.EFB40C20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hi all,
  I am noticing 2 = problems.
 
1. When in gaim and inside an IM window = with=20 another person, I was told that orca will automatically read incoming = messages.=20 I don't see this happening. What should I do
 
2. Not sure if this  is a bug or = problem, but=20 certainly an issue. I can not tell when the caps lock is on or off. Orca = needs=20 to announce this, or speak with a higher pitch if it was accidentally=20 hit.
 
  Thanx for considering these 2=20 things...
 
cody
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C65FA3.EFB40C20-- From William.Walker@Sun.COM Fri Apr 14 10:00:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CDD63B1CAD for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:00:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25636-01 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:00:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com (brmea-mail-1.Sun.COM [192.18.98.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F3B83B1C5F for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:00:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-01.sun.com ([192.18.108.175]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k3EE0U3d007968 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 08:00:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IXP00001TIGNQ00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 08:00:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.105] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IXP00BCKTKUVUP6@mail-amer.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 08:00:30 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:00:25 -0400 From: Willie Walker Subject: Determining the state of locking modifiers (was Re: orca 2 issues) In-reply-to: <000c01c65fde$9cc80350$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: <1145023225.16179.152.camel@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <000c01c65fde$9cc80350$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.582 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.016, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.582 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:00:33 -0000 Hey Cody: (Answering your issues one at a time and re-writing the subject lines to help others that might look through the archives in the future). > 2. Not sure if this is a bug or problem, but certainly an issue. I > can not tell when the caps lock is on or off. Orca needs to announce > this, or speak with a higher pitch if it was accidentally hit. We're working on a way to do this, but we may need to elaborate on our algorithm for determining if locking keys are locked. As an alternative, Dave Mielke has created an application called "locktones," which I think might be a much better solution because it covers both the graphical desktop and character cell consoles: http://mielke.cc/packages/locktones.html Hope this helps, Will From William.Walker@Sun.COM Fri Apr 14 10:02:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E94AE3B1C5F for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:02:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25507-07 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:02:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B9DB3B1C9D for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:02:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-04.sun.com ([192.18.108.178]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k3EE25mU021662 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 08:02:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IXP00701TI8VY00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 08:02:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.105] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IXP007OVTNGXV43@mail-amer.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 08:02:05 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:01:56 -0400 From: Willie Walker Subject: GAIM not automatically reading messages (was Re: orca 2 issues) In-reply-to: <000c01c65fde$9cc80350$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: <1145023317.16179.156.camel@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <000c01c65fde$9cc80350$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.582 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.016, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.582 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:02:08 -0000 Hey Cody: (Answering your issues one at a time and re-writing the subject lines to help others that might look through the archives in the future). > 1. When in gaim and inside an IM window with another person, I was > told that orca will automatically read incoming messages. I don't see > this happening. What should I do It should be doing this. There is a known issue where if you are typing at the same time a message is coming in, your typing will interrupt the message. This may or may not be what you are running into. Can you describe more about what you are doing? Will From churst31@verizon.net Fri Apr 14 13:09:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52E0A3B1D33 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:09:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04839-02 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:08:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 646573B0BAE for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:08:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.46] ([72.78.45.102]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IXQ00M6Z2AHV8U0@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 12:08:42 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 08:08:23 -0400 From: Cody Hurst Subject: Re: Navigating GAIM (was Re: tarting orca) In-reply-to: <1144672867.26795.10.camel@localhost> To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: <1145016507.3700.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 (2.6.0-1) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <0IX500MNCYYXZJ@mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> <004c01c65862$617e3c20$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> <1144242869.30115.17.camel@localhost> <009801c658e4$f2f2e430$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> <1144267789.11676.23.camel@localhost> <00ca01c6590e$728bb310$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> <8A0DC8C4-C7AB-4A4B-9821-89B524C710FE@sun.com> <1144335465.2642.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1144626088.15738.43.camel@localhost> <1144635235.2841.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1144672867.26795.10.camel@localhost> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.603 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.466, BAYES_00=-2.599, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06=0.478, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -0.603 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:09:01 -0000 hi will, yep, I got you. I'm so used to jaws for windows, and am slowly switching over to linux, now doing nearly all work on linux accept skype and a few other windows based aps that aren't yet accessible in linux, such as skype. Thats pretty much about it. I could probably give you a layout of good key funtions that will help a user feel mroe at home with orca. I some how feel funny about doing so because of the fact that it resembles jaws too much. I'm still digging to find another eloquence speech driver. so far I have found nothing but payable sdk's which isn't exactly what I want. i guess not everything is free, right? I also have another question about key assignments. I'm not sure if it has anything to do with orca, but I have my gnome desktop setup where I only have one task bar, and one main menu. I want to be able to press the windows logo key, and just as it does in windows, bring up the gnome main menu. is thsi possible. as of now that key is useless and has no perpose. Cody On Mon, 2006-04-10 at 08:41 -0400, Willie Walker wrote: > Hi Cody: > > Great ideas. We have plans for a Configuration GUI, and Insert+O seems > like a good thing to bring it up. :-) > > We also have specs for reading from the current caret position to the > end of the file, and it's bound to KP_+. It's currently implemented > rather poorly (works best only with GEdit) and needs some more smarts to > deal better with the way more sophisticated applications arrange their > text object model. We'll get there one step at a time. > > Will > > On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 22:13 -0400, Cody Hurst wrote: > > hi will, > > As well as using the insert key for doing the gaim diea, but applying > > the insert key to different commands around gnome as well would be a > > good idea for instance, > > > > insert plus O while focused on the desktop would bring up the Orca > > window, I know there isn't one, but a future idea... > > > > Insert plus down arrow while reading an email or text file, it'll read > > from current possition of caret to the end of the file... > > > > These are justa couple of ideas that might be implamented...I hope > > these can be ok to work with... > > > > Cody > > > > \On Sun, 2006-04-09 at 19:41 -0400, Willie Walker wrote: > > > Hi Cody: > > > > > > This is an interesting idea. Let's flesh it out some more. Would the > > > idea be to use the Orca modifier key (currently "Insert") in conjunction > > > with a number (0 thru 9) and interpret that number as "the last nth > > > message displayed"? That is, Insert+0 would repeat the very last > > > message that came in, Insert+1 would repeat the next to last, and so on. > > > > > > Will > > > > > > On Thu, 2006-04-06 at 10:57 -0400, Cody Hurst wrote: > > > > hi will, > > > > Maybe think about creating a script that will allow me to press > > > > something like control and any number on the number line to hear > > > > previous messages, if I missed one???? Thanks for the help. > > > > > > > > CodyOn Thu, 2006-04-06 at 07:44 -0400, Willie Walker wrote: > > > > > Hi Cody: > > > > > > > > > > The IM window in GAIM is primarily two things: the chat area where > > > > > the conversation occurs and the text area where you type. There's > > > > > other stuff in there, however, such as a toolbar for smiley faces and > > > > > a horizontal rule. The script for GAIM will speak/braille the text > > > > > and chat areas automatically when they update, but you can use Orca's > > > > > "flat review" keys to explore the window if you need to. To do so, > > > > > use the keypad keys: > > > > > > > > > > 7 - 8 - 9 read previous, read current, read next line > > > > > 4 - 5 - 6 read previous, read current, read next word > > > > > 1 - 2 - 3 read previous, read current, read next character > > > > > > > > > > You can also use the Orca modifier key (the "Insert" key) in > > > > > combination of some of the keys. To do some exploring into what keys > > > > > will do what, press "Insert+F1". This will take Orca into "Learn > > > > > Mode." In learn mode, you can press various keys and key > > > > > combinations and Orca will tell you what they will do. To exit learn > > > > > mode, press the "Escape" key. > > > > > > > > > > Hope this helps! > > > > > > > > > > Will > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 5, 2006, at 8:10 PM, C-DOG wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > hi willie! > > > > > > I got speech working, its amazing. a lot better then crappy old > > > > > > gnopernicus, more responsive, and itsworks with evolution mazingly. > > > > > > I do have one question... > > > > > > how can I navigate in a IM window in gaim?? thanks a million > > > > > > c > > > > > > ody > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willie Walker" > > > > > > > > > > > > To: "Orca screen reader developers" > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:09 PM > > > > > > Subject: Re: tarting orca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Hi Cody: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> There could be several problems happening here. If speech isn't > > > > > >> working, you might need to debug that first. Here's a fast pass I > > > > > >> made > > > > > >> on the WIKI for debugging speech (please let me know of changes you > > > > > >> think would be helpful to make it clearer - I wrote it at night > > > > > >> when I > > > > > >> was kind of tired): > > > > > >> > > > > > >> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/GnomeSpeech > > > > > >> > > > > > >> If the goal is to start Orca when you log in, however, you have a > > > > > >> couple > > > > > >> of options. One is to tell your Linux distribution to not bring the > > > > > >> graphical login up when it boots. The method for doing this > > > > > >> unfortunately varies by distribution. With this option, you can add > > > > > >> orca to your ~/.xinitrc file and then start the graphical desktop > > > > > >> using > > > > > >> xinit. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Another option is to bring up the System->Preferences->Sessions > > > > > >> application (also known as gnome-session-properties from the command > > > > > >> line) and add orca as a startup program. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> In either case, you might actually want to point to a script that > > > > > >> starts > > > > > >> orca - that way you can do some pre-run cleanup of stuff if needed > > > > > >> (e.g., kill synthesis drivers that might be hung and such). > > > > > >> Attached > > > > > >> is a script that does some of this pre-run cleanup. I'm not really > > > > > >> advocating its use too widely, though, because Orca should not > > > > > >> rely upon > > > > > >> this kind of thing for proper behavior. Instead, it should be > > > > > >> able to > > > > > >> gracefully recover from bad things as much as possible or at least > > > > > >> give > > > > > >> you an informative message about what's causing it pain. But, it > > > > > >> should > > > > > >> at least be able to help you get going. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Will > > > > > >> > > > > > >> On Wed, 2006-04-05 at 12:12 -0700, C-DOG wrote: > > > > > >>> hi will, > > > > > >>> but what is a way to avoid this? I mean, running orca from the > > > > > >>> terminal > > > > > >>> probably wont' do the same thing will it? I have tried starting > > > > > >>> orca from > > > > > >>> the gnome terminal and minimising the terminal, and using it but > > > > > >>> get no > > > > > >>> speech. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> cody > > > > > >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willie Walker" > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> To: "Orca screen reader developers" > > > > > >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 6:14 AM > > > > > >>> Subject: Re: tarting orca > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > Hi Cody: > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > This looks like it might be related to a GTK+ crasher: > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=326362 > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > The main culprit that makes it happen seems to be the run > > > > > >>> dialog. If > > > > > >>> > you can avoid doing that until the crasher is fixed by the gtk > > > > > >>> folks, > > > > > >>> > then things might go better for you. > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > Hope this helps, > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > Will > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > On Tue, 2006-04-04 at 20:38 -0700, C-DOG wrote: > > > > > >>> >> actually I can get through the setup, if I type orca in the > > > > > >>> terminal > > > > > >>> >> then it will say welcome to orca. this does not happen in the run > > > > > >>> >> dialogue in the gui of gnome it just crashes the pannel.cody > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Mike > > > > > >>> Pedersen > > > > > >>> >> To: 'Orca screen reader developers' > > > > > >>> >> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 1:44 PM > > > > > >>> >> Subject: RE: tarting orca > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> >> Hello Cody, > > > > > >>> >> I have opened a terminal and typed > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> >> orca-setup > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> >> I get a prompt asking me which voice I want. I > > > > > >>> can't > > > > > >>> >> quite understand the 2 options, so I select > > > > > >>> one, then > > > > > >>> >> i am asked for speak echo charactors, I say Y > > > > > >>> for yes, > > > > > >>> >> after this I get no speech, what is going > > > > > >>> wrong? I > > > > > >>> >> have managed to get this far. I still can't > > > > > >>> get out of > > > > > >>> >> a terminal window, is there another type of > > > > > >>> setup I > > > > > >>> >> need to do? > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> >> After you finish orca-setup you will not have > > > > > >>> speech > > > > > >>> >> until you type orca. What happens if you type > > > > > >>> orca in > > > > > >>> >> the terminal prompt? > > > > > >>> >> Mike > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> ______________________________________________________________ > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > >>> >> _______________________________________________ > > > > > >>> >> Orca-list mailing list > > > > > >>> >> Orca-list@gnome.org > > > > > >>> >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > > > >>> >> _______________________________________________ > > > > > >>> >> Orca-list mailing list > > > > > >>> >> Orca-list@gnome.org > > > > > >>> >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> > _______________________________________________ > > > > > >>> > Orca-list mailing list > > > > > >>> > Orca-list@gnome.org > > > > > >>> > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > > > > >>> Orca-list mailing list > > > > > >>> Orca-list@gnome.org > > > > > >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > ---------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > > >> Orca-list mailing list > > > > > >> Orca-list@gnome.org > > > > > >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Orca-list mailing list > > > > > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > > > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Orca-list mailing list > > > > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Orca-list mailing list > > > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Orca-list mailing list > > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Orca-list mailing list > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From churst31@verizon.net Fri Apr 14 13:13:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 904613B12B0 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:13:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04852-05 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:13:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08DE53B0C12 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:13:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.46] ([72.78.45.102]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IXQ0048Y2HTQ8E2@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 12:13:06 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 08:12:52 -0400 From: Cody Hurst Subject: Re: GAIM not automatically reading messages (was Re: orca 2 issues) In-reply-to: <1145023317.16179.156.camel@localhost> To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: <1145016776.3700.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 (2.6.0-1) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <000c01c65fde$9cc80350$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> <1145023317.16179.156.camel@localhost> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.653 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.439, BAYES_00=-2.599, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06=0.478, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -0.653 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:13:10 -0000 hi will, Sure, first of all, I might just be sitting here, no typing or anything and a message will come in and nothing is said, I have to try clicking my mouse wheel into the upper text area to read the text...I also don't even hear my own text messages being spoken when submitted intot he upper read only text box... Cody On Fri, 2006-04-14 at 10:01 -0400, Willie Walker wrote: > Hey Cody: > > (Answering your issues one at a time and re-writing the subject lines to > help others that might look through the archives in the future). > > > 1. When in gaim and inside an IM window with another person, I was > > told that orca will automatically read incoming messages. I don't see > > this happening. What should I do > > It should be doing this. There is a known issue where if you are typing > at the same time a message is coming in, your typing will interrupt the > message. This may or may not be what you are running into. Can you > describe more about what you are doing? > > Will > > > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From churst31@verizon.net Fri Apr 14 13:16:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22A143B1836 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:16:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05198-05 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:16:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 609543B0EF6 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:16:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.46] ([72.78.45.102]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IXQ009UM2N1E8P8@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 12:16:13 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 08:16:02 -0400 From: Cody Hurst Subject: Re: Determining the state of locking modifiers (was Re: orca 2 issues) In-reply-to: <1145023225.16179.152.camel@localhost> To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: <1145016966.3700.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 (2.6.0-1) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <000c01c65fde$9cc80350$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> <1145023225.16179.152.camel@localhost> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.666 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.452, BAYES_00=-2.599, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06=0.478, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -0.666 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:16:27 -0000 hi will, I will certainly go take a look at it and get back to you if i find anything, but what exactly does it do. is it a patch for orca? cody On Fri, 2006-04-14 at 10:00 -0400, Willie Walker wrote: > Hey Cody: > > (Answering your issues one at a time and re-writing the subject lines to > help others that might look through the archives in the future). > > > 2. Not sure if this is a bug or problem, but certainly an issue. I > > can not tell when the caps lock is on or off. Orca needs to announce > > this, or speak with a higher pitch if it was accidentally hit. > > We're working on a way to do this, but we may need to elaborate on our > algorithm for determining if locking keys are locked. As an > alternative, Dave Mielke has created an application called "locktones," > which I think might be a much better solution because it covers both the > graphical desktop and character cell consoles: > > http://mielke.cc/packages/locktones.html > > Hope this helps, > > Will > > > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From Michael.Pedersen@Sun.COM Fri Apr 14 13:21:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E16E3B1DB8 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05452-04 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:21:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A95FB3B1D93 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:21:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phys-mpk-2 ([129.146.11.82]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k3EHL5JO015805 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:21:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com by mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.24 (built Dec 19 2003)) id <0IXQ00H012RM77@mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> (original mail from Michael.Pedersen@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:21:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toshiba (vpn-129-150-26-192.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.150.26.192]) by mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.24 (built Dec 19 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IXQ003LT2V33H@mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:21:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:21:03 -0700 From: Mike Pedersen Subject: RE: Navigating GAIM (was Re: tarting orca) In-reply-to: <1145016507.3700.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> To: "'Orca screen reader developers'" Message-id: <0IXQ003LW2V33H@mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcZf5ix66OU/smkhTV+dmVQwN2eghgAAHOWw X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.486 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.112, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.486 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:21:08 -0000 Hello Cody, > I could probably give you a layout of good key functions that > will help a user feel more at home with orca. I some how feel > funny about doing so because of the fact that it resembles > jaws too much. When coming up with the keypad layout for orca I've really tried to come up with a simple and intuitive layout that requires as few presses of key combinations as possible. If you have questions as to why things are a certain way or suggestions on how to improve things please send them to the list. I'm still digging to find another eloquence > speech driver. so far I have found nothing but payable sdk's > which isn't exactly what I want. i guess not everything is > free, right? I'm afraid you'll probably end up wanting a commercial TTS engine such as software dectalk. > I also have another question about key assignments. I'm not > sure if it has anything to do with orca, but I have my gnome > desktop setup where I only have one task bar, and one main > menu. I want to be able to press the windows logo key, and > just as it does in windows, bring up the gnome main menu. is > this possible. as of now that key is useless and has no purpose. I was sort of thinking of using the windows key as a second orca modifier because I thought it might be an easier key for many laptops but I haven't thought this through to much yet. Any thoughts? Thanks for all the positive feedback. Mike From churst31@verizon.net Fri Apr 14 13:33:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BD553B0802 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:33:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06594-08 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:33:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C99A3B0737 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:33:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.46] ([72.78.45.102]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IXQ00AYK3G3WJC5@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 12:33:40 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 08:33:30 -0400 From: Cody Hurst Subject: RE: Navigating GAIM (was Re: tarting orca) In-reply-to: <0IXQ003LW2V33H@mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: <1145018010.3700.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 (2.6.0-1) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit References: <0IXQ003LW2V33H@mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.601 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.541, BAYES_00=-2.599, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06=0.478, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_AQ=0.077, TW_QN=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -0.601 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:33:42 -0000 hi mike, Well, I think I saw Will here say the insert key was gonig to be the orca main function key..., but if you wanted, we could split the difference probably and have say the left windows logo key work with orca aqnd the right logo key perform some other action, say with orca. I will say this however...have the layer system like gnopernicus has, not a good idea at all! This is why having a nice comfortable GUI is better in my opinion, then assigning outside key shortcuts can add to it. I think the insert key will serve as the ideal key, but this is just me. As i said, I am not sure if we can separate between the 2 win logo keys and have one do one thing and the other another thing, if this is possible or not... if you wanted a nice short and sweet 2 the point summary, here it goes: insert+O - brings up main orca window, reserved for later use insert+page up - increase speech rate insert+page down - slow speech rate insert+home - make speech higher insert+end - decrease speech pitch Cody On Fri, 2006-04-14 at 10:21 -0700, Mike Pedersen wrote: > Hello Cody, > > I could probably give you a layout of good key functions that > > will help a user feel more at home with orca. I some how feel > > funny about doing so because of the fact that it resembles > > jaws too much. > When coming up with the keypad layout for orca I've really tried to come up > with a simple and intuitive layout that requires as few presses of key > combinations as possible. If you have questions as to why things are a > certain way or suggestions on how to improve things please send them to the > list. > I'm still digging to find another eloquence > > speech driver. so far I have found nothing but payable sdk's > > which isn't exactly what I want. i guess not everything is > > free, right? > I'm afraid you'll probably end up wanting a commercial TTS engine such as > software dectalk. > > I also have another question about key assignments. I'm not > > sure if it has anything to do with orca, but I have my gnome > > desktop setup where I only have one task bar, and one main > > menu. I want to be able to press the windows logo key, and > > just as it does in windows, bring up the gnome main menu. is > > this possible. as of now that key is useless and has no purpose. > I was sort of thinking of using the windows key as a second orca modifier > because I thought it might be an easier key for many laptops but I haven't > thought this through to much yet. Any thoughts? > Thanks for all the positive feedback. > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From Michael.Pedersen@Sun.COM Fri Apr 14 13:55:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AAD53B1E08 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:55:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07582-05 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:55:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4977E3B1DB4 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:55:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phys-mpk-2 ([129.146.11.82]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k3EHt6Ze014884 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 11:55:06 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com by mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.24 (built Dec 19 2003)) id <0IXQ00C013V31O@mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> (original mail from Michael.Pedersen@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:55:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from toshiba (vpn-129-150-26-192.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.150.26.192]) by mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.24 (built Dec 19 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IXQ00JSH4ER5Z@mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:54:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 10:54:27 -0700 From: Mike Pedersen Subject: RE: Navigating GAIM (was Re: tarting orca) In-reply-to: <1145018010.3700.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> To: "'Orca screen reader developers'" Message-id: <0IXQ00JSI4ER5Z@mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcZf6Z4IzyV5Q1VfQTOKMfqqbtFG6AAAd/Qg X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.418 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.026, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_AQ=0.077, TW_QN=0.077, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.418 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 17:55:08 -0000 Hi Cody, > Well, I think I saw Will here say the insert key was going > to be the orca main function key..., This is true. I was only thinking of the windows key as a secondary key for laptop users. but if you wanted, we > could split the difference probably and have say the left > windows logo key work with orca aqnd the right logo key > perform some other action, say with orca. If you wanted the windows key to do a desktop function such as open the application launch menu this would have to be taken up with the greater gnome community as it is outside the scope of orca. > > if you wanted a nice short and sweet 2 the point summary, here it > goes: > > insert+O - brings up main orca window, reserved for later use > > insert+page up - increase speech rate > > insert+page down - slow speech rate > > insert+home - make speech higher > > insert+end - decrease speech pitch We currently have insert+left/right decrease and increase rate. I was thinking of insert+up/down as raise and lower pitch. I don't like the use of page up and down or home and end because they can be a problem for laptop users. Mike From William.Walker@Sun.COM Fri Apr 14 14:08:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 792913B06C7 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:08:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08200-05 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:08:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F25D3B37BC for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:08:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-05.sun.com ([192.18.108.179]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k3EI8YZe023457 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 12:08:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IXQ002014O76D00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 12:08:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.105] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IXQ003R8529PXY4@mail-amer.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 12:08:33 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:08:26 -0400 From: Willie Walker Subject: Re: Determining the state of locking modifiers (was Re: orca 2 issues) In-reply-to: <1145016966.3700.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: <1145038106.16179.158.camel@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <000c01c65fde$9cc80350$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> <1145023225.16179.152.camel@localhost> <1145016966.3700.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.583 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.015, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.583 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:08:52 -0000 Hey Cody: Locktones is a completely separate package that runs as a background process. Here's a snippet from the web page below: "The intent of this package is to provide blind computer users with an easy way to passively determine the current states of the various keyboard locks (caps, insert, num, scroll). It runs as a background process which periodically checks the locks, and uses the PC speaker to generate sequences of tones which indicate either a change in their states (see the --toggle option) or their current states (see the --active option)." Hope this clarifies things, Will On Fri, 2006-04-14 at 08:16 -0400, Cody Hurst wrote: > hi will, > > I will certainly go take a look at it and get back to you if i find > anything, but what exactly does it do. is it a patch for orca? > > cody > On Fri, 2006-04-14 at 10:00 -0400, Willie Walker wrote: > > Hey Cody: > > > > (Answering your issues one at a time and re-writing the subject lines to > > help others that might look through the archives in the future). > > > > > 2. Not sure if this is a bug or problem, but certainly an issue. I > > > can not tell when the caps lock is on or off. Orca needs to announce > > > this, or speak with a higher pitch if it was accidentally hit. > > > > We're working on a way to do this, but we may need to elaborate on our > > algorithm for determining if locking keys are locked. As an > > alternative, Dave Mielke has created an application called "locktones," > > which I think might be a much better solution because it covers both the > > graphical desktop and character cell consoles: > > > > http://mielke.cc/packages/locktones.html > > > > Hope this helps, > > > > Will > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Orca-list mailing list > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From churst31@verizon.net Fri Apr 14 15:25:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EFA43B1E37 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:25:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12524-08 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:25:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net (vms048pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.48]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 679613B07AF for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:25:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 4jdbtg639263d6 ([72.78.45.102]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IXQ00J538N06H70@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:25:48 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:25:43 -0700 From: "C-DOG" Subject: Re: Navigating GAIM (was Re: tarting orca) To: "Orca screen reader developers" Message-id: <000b01c66012$5ec5d8a0$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <0IXQ00JSI4ER5Z@mpk-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.847 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.309, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_AQ=0.077, TW_QN=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -0.847 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 19:25:53 -0000 hi mike, yeah thats true, I have forgotten that laptops can be a royal pain in the toosh. I haven't come up with any other workable key commands but when I do I will surely bring them to you. I also wasn't refering the windows logo key to be universal to everybody, but just for my perpose. Since I only have 1 main menu, I jsut want to press one key to get to it and for my perposes only I wanted the logo key to do that trick and just didn't know if there was a way to assign that key some how. cody ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Pedersen" To: "'Orca screen reader developers'" Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 10:54 AM Subject: RE: Navigating GAIM (was Re: tarting orca) > Hi Cody, >> Well, I think I saw Will here say the insert key was going >> to be the orca main function key..., > This is true. I was only thinking of the windows key as a secondary key > for > laptop users. > but if you wanted, we >> could split the difference probably and have say the left >> windows logo key work with orca aqnd the right logo key >> perform some other action, say with orca. > If you wanted the windows key to do a desktop function such as open the > application launch menu this would have to be taken up with the greater > gnome community as it is outside the scope of orca. >> >> if you wanted a nice short and sweet 2 the point summary, here it >> goes: >> >> insert+O - brings up main orca window, reserved for later use >> >> insert+page up - increase speech rate >> >> insert+page down - slow speech rate >> >> insert+home - make speech higher >> >> insert+end - decrease speech pitch > We currently have insert+left/right decrease and increase rate. I was > thinking of insert+up/down as raise and lower pitch. I don't like the use > of page up and down or home and end because they can be a problem for > laptop > users. > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From churst31@verizon.net Fri Apr 14 15:27:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 251A93B1E37 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:27:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12585-05 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:27:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F0F43B1A2A for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:27:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 4jdbtg639263d6 ([72.78.45.102]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IXQ00LLA8PD58U5@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:27:14 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 15:27:09 -0700 From: "C-DOG" Subject: Re: Determining the state of locking modifiers (was Re: orca 2 issues) To: "Orca screen reader developers" Message-id: <001101c66012$91b9ab60$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <000c01c65fde$9cc80350$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> <1145023225.16179.152.camel@localhost> <1145016966.3700.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1145038106.16179.158.camel@localhost> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.941 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.249, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -0.941 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 19:27:18 -0000 hi will, yep, thats exactly what I wanted to know I haven't visited the site yet...but will get it compile it and run it. cody ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willie Walker" To: "Orca screen reader developers" Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 11:08 AM Subject: Re: Determining the state of locking modifiers (was Re: orca 2 issues) > Hey Cody: > > Locktones is a completely separate package that runs as a background > process. Here's a snippet from the web page below: > > "The intent of this package is to provide blind computer users with an > easy way to passively determine the current states of the various > keyboard locks (caps, insert, num, scroll). It runs as a background > process which periodically checks the locks, and uses the PC speaker to > generate sequences of tones which indicate either a change in their > states (see the --toggle option) or their current states (see the > --active option)." > > Hope this clarifies things, > > Will > > On Fri, 2006-04-14 at 08:16 -0400, Cody Hurst wrote: >> hi will, >> >> I will certainly go take a look at it and get back to you if i find >> anything, but what exactly does it do. is it a patch for orca? >> >> cody >> On Fri, 2006-04-14 at 10:00 -0400, Willie Walker wrote: >> > Hey Cody: >> > >> > (Answering your issues one at a time and re-writing the subject lines >> > to >> > help others that might look through the archives in the future). >> > >> > > 2. Not sure if this is a bug or problem, but certainly an issue. I >> > > can not tell when the caps lock is on or off. Orca needs to announce >> > > this, or speak with a higher pitch if it was accidentally hit. >> > >> > We're working on a way to do this, but we may need to elaborate on our >> > algorithm for determining if locking keys are locked. As an >> > alternative, Dave Mielke has created an application called "locktones," >> > which I think might be a much better solution because it covers both >> > the >> > graphical desktop and character cell consoles: >> > >> > http://mielke.cc/packages/locktones.html >> > >> > Hope this helps, >> > >> > Will >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Orca-list mailing list >> > Orca-list@gnome.org >> > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Orca-list mailing list >> Orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From William.Walker@Sun.COM Fri Apr 14 18:27:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1C603B0B15 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:27:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21520-03 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:27:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com (brmea-mail-1.Sun.COM [192.18.98.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76DAC3B08BE for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:27:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-06.sun.com ([192.18.108.180]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k3EMR23d013407 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:27:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IXQ00M01GCDY800@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:27:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.105] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IXQ00LEEH12WBA0@mail-amer.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 14 Apr 2006 16:27:02 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 18:26:59 -0400 From: Willie Walker Subject: Orca is being very repetitive... Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-id: <1145053620.16179.189.camel@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.583 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.015, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.583 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2006 22:27:06 -0000 Hi: We recently noticed a problem with Orca where it is sometimes saying way too much, repeating the same information several times. This is by no means anything we find acceptable. I want to let folks on this list know that we are making it a priority to look into the problem and get a fix into GNOME CVS HEAD soon. Will From churst31@verizon.net Sat Apr 15 15:39:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 965F53B101D for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:39:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15929-03 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:39:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C34CE3B0DD6 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:39:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 4jdbtg639263d6 ([72.78.51.86]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IXS00LPB3WZ4RS8@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for orca-list@gnome.org; Sat, 15 Apr 2006 14:39:00 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 15:38:55 -0700 From: "C-DOG" Subject: Re: Orca is being very repetitive... To: "Orca screen reader developers" Message-id: <002601c660dd$6164e940$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <1145053620.16179.189.camel@localhost> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.959 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.267, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -0.959 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2006 19:39:05 -0000 hi will, Yes I have seen this as well, and I have been meaning to make a comment to the list. Sometimes when opening a terminal window I'll hear: terminal. terminal. terminal. terminal. terminal. yikes how many terminals? Also, when opening a session in gaim this happens as well. but hey, better speak too much then nothing, right? Cody ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willie Walker" To: Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 3:26 PM Subject: Orca is being very repetitive... > Hi: > > We recently noticed a problem with Orca where it is sometimes saying way > too much, repeating the same information several times. This is by no > means anything we find acceptable. I want to let folks on this list know > that we are making it a priority to look into the problem and get a fix > into GNOME CVS HEAD soon. > > Will > > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From William.Walker@Sun.COM Sun Apr 16 09:31:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 571D03B1448 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 09:31:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09977-01 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 09:31:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B81443B1373 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 09:31:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.108.183]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k3GDV4JO008958 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 07:31:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IXT00701HBWFB00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 07:31:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.105] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IXT00E8HHJSSYZG@mail-amer.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 07:31:04 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 09:31:02 -0400 From: Willie Walker Subject: Re: Orca is being very repetitive... In-reply-to: <002601c660dd$6164e940$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: <1145194263.8351.9.camel@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <1145053620.16179.189.camel@localhost> <002601c660dd$6164e940$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.583 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.015, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.583 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:31:07 -0000 Hi All: I made some progress on this over the weekend which seesm to get rid of the dumb "terminal terminal terminal terminal terminal terminal" nonsense: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=338686 There is still some work to do when it comes to tabbed panes: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=338687 Mike and I are mulling over an option at the moment. Will On Sat, 2006-04-15 at 15:38 -0700, C-DOG wrote: > hi will, > > Yes I have seen this as well, and I have been meaning to make a comment to > the list. Sometimes when opening a terminal window I'll hear: terminal. > terminal. terminal. terminal. terminal. yikes how many terminals? Also, when > opening a session in gaim this happens as well. but hey, better speak too > much then nothing, right? > > Cody > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Willie Walker" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 14, 2006 3:26 PM > Subject: Orca is being very repetitive... > > > > Hi: > > > > We recently noticed a problem with Orca where it is sometimes saying way > > too much, repeating the same information several times. This is by no > > means anything we find acceptable. I want to let folks on this list know > > that we are making it a priority to look into the problem and get a fix > > into GNOME CVS HEAD soon. > > > > Will > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Orca-list mailing list > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From William.Walker@Sun.COM Sun Apr 16 09:44:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF99D3B15D9 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 09:44:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10381-03 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 09:44:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 779813B159F for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 09:44:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.108.183]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k3GDiemU021913 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 07:44:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IXT00801HTPHV00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 07:44:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.105] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IXT00EXJI6FSUA0@mail-amer.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 07:44:40 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 09:44:38 -0400 From: Willie Walker Subject: Re: GAIM not automatically reading messages (was Re: orca 2 issues) In-reply-to: <1145016776.3700.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: <1145195078.8351.20.camel@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <000c01c65fde$9cc80350$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> <1145023317.16179.156.camel@localhost> <1145016776.3700.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.583 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.015, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.583 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:44:43 -0000 Hi Cody: This is very odd behavior and I haven't noticed it. We should try to both use GAIM to meet at the #orca channel in irc.gnome.org at some time and try to resolve this in a more real-time fashion. Will On Fri, 2006-04-14 at 08:12 -0400, Cody Hurst wrote: > hi will, > > Sure, first of all, I might just be sitting here, no typing or > anything and a message will come in and nothing is said, I have to try > clicking my mouse wheel into the upper text area to read the text...I > also don't even hear my own text messages being spoken when submitted > intot he upper read only text box... > > Cody > > On Fri, 2006-04-14 at 10:01 -0400, Willie Walker wrote: > > Hey Cody: > > > > (Answering your issues one at a time and re-writing the subject lines to > > help others that might look through the archives in the future). > > > > > 1. When in gaim and inside an IM window with another person, I was > > > told that orca will automatically read incoming messages. I don't see > > > this happening. What should I do > > > > It should be doing this. There is a known issue where if you are typing > > at the same time a message is coming in, your typing will interrupt the > > message. This may or may not be what you are running into. Can you > > describe more about what you are doing? > > > > Will > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Orca-list mailing list > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From William.Walker@Sun.COM Sun Apr 16 10:21:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96C1D3B1FD7 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 10:21:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12342-01 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 10:21:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3A843B1E49 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 10:21:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-04.sun.com ([192.18.108.178]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k3GELNJO003782 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 08:21:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IXT00E01JU10U00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 08:21:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.105] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IXT00BZGJVMWOD6@mail-amer.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 08:21:23 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 10:21:21 -0400 From: Willie Walker Subject: Re: I18n working in Orca? In-reply-to: <178EEBC4C5E55548A84E8B18F52AF80010C3B93A@omailcl.once.org> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: <1145197281.8351.29.camel@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT References: <178EEBC4C5E55548A84E8B18F52AF80010C3B93A@omailcl.once.org> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.584 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.014, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.584 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:21:35 -0000 Hi Javier: Thanks much for testing this and bringing it up. orca_i18n didn't seem to be following the proper Python gettext procedure. I opened/fixed/tested/closed this bug: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=338690 Thanks again and Bienvenido a Orca, Will On Tue, 2006-04-04 at 13:53 +0200, "Dorado Martínez, Francisco Javier" wrote: > Hi folks > > I am trying to make i18n work in Orca, I have correct the locale > LANGUAGE=es_ES_UTF8, and the orca.mo is generated in compile/installation > step. > But when I run Orca it plays in english instead of spanish. > >From python I have tried from orca_i18n import _ > And then _("Welcome to Orca") for example, and it returns the same string. I > have tried with other strings and the same occured. > > Any help would be appreciated > > Thanks > > Regards, > > Javier > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM Sun Apr 16 10:55:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 171713B203A for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 10:55:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13815-09 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 10:55:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39F063B1FF7 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 10:55:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.108.184]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k3GEt2mU021203 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 08:55:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IXT00401L0L8Z00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 08:55:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([71.131.180.143]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IXT0081BLFPRNIV@mail-amer.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 08:55:02 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 07:53:03 -0700 From: Rich Burridge Subject: Re: GAIM not automatically reading messages (was Re: orca 2 issues) In-reply-to: <1145195078.8351.20.camel@localhost> Sender: Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: <44425A4F.1090107@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <000c01c65fde$9cc80350$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> <1145023317.16179.156.camel@localhost> <1145016776.3700.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1145195078.8351.20.camel@localhost> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 14:55:07 -0000 Cody, >This is very odd behavior and I haven't noticed it. We should try to >both use GAIM to meet at the #orca channel in irc.gnome.org at some time >and try to resolve this in a more real-time fashion. > > There is one thing it could be, depending upon where and when you got the version of Orca you are using. From about last Tuesday afternoon to last Wednesday morning (U.S. Pacific time), there was a version of Orca in CVS HEAD that didn't properly speak messages that appeared a Gaim chat window. It also didn't echo results of issuing commands in a terminal window. It was fixed on Wednesday morning. Cody, if you are getting Orca from CVS HEAD and you see both these problems, trying checking out a new version and try again. If not, then I'll let you work with Will on IRC to try to fix the problem. This brings up the issue of knowing exactly what version of Orca everybody is using. The approach I've taken with this in gcalctool (the GNOME calculator), is to *always* increment the last digit in the version number string in the configure.in file for *every* single change that I check in. The middle digit is incremented for every tarball release I make. The initial digit is incremented for major changes to the application. The version number is easily available to the user in the Help->About dialog and that helps me track down exactly which version they are using, even if they are getting it from CVS HEAD. I propose we do something similar with Orca. As we don't have a GUI, I propose that a key sequence (Insert-? maybe) automatically speak/braille the version number, so that users can include that in their problem reports. >On Fri, 2006-04-14 at 08:12 -0400, Cody Hurst wrote: > > >>hi will, >> >> Sure, first of all, I might just be sitting here, no typing or >>anything and a message will come in and nothing is said, I have to try >>clicking my mouse wheel into the upper text area to read the text...I >>also don't even hear my own text messages being spoken when submitted >>intot he upper read only text box... >> >>Cody >> >>On Fri, 2006-04-14 at 10:01 -0400, Willie Walker wrote: >> >> >>>Hey Cody: >>> >>>(Answering your issues one at a time and re-writing the subject lines to >>>help others that might look through the archives in the future). >>> >>> >>> >>>>1. When in gaim and inside an IM window with another person, I was >>>>told that orca will automatically read incoming messages. I don't see >>>>this happening. What should I do >>>> >>>> >>>It should be doing this. There is a known issue where if you are typing >>>at the same time a message is coming in, your typing will interrupt the >>>message. This may or may not be what you are running into. Can you >>>describe more about what you are doing? >>> >>>Will >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Orca-list mailing list >>>Orca-list@gnome.org >>>http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> >>> >>_______________________________________________ >>Orca-list mailing list >>Orca-list@gnome.org >>http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Orca-list mailing list >Orca-list@gnome.org >http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > From churst31@verizon.net Sun Apr 16 13:07:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAFA53B15C4 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:07:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20206-03 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:07:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05FF43B14A8 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:07:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 4jdbtg639263d6 ([72.78.129.81]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IXT00JBVRKJK6P3@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 12:07:32 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:07:27 -0700 From: "C-DOG" Subject: Re: GAIM not automatically reading messages (was Re: orca 2 issues) To: "Orca screen reader developers" Message-id: <003301c66191$63056d10$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <000c01c65fde$9cc80350$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> <1145023317.16179.156.camel@localhost> <1145016776.3700.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1145195078.8351.20.camel@localhost> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.977 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.285, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -0.977 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 17:07:38 -0000 hi will, is confused, do I need to install IRC? Cody ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willie Walker" To: "Orca screen reader developers" Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 6:44 AM Subject: Re: GAIM not automatically reading messages (was Re: orca 2 issues) > Hi Cody: > > This is very odd behavior and I haven't noticed it. We should try to > both use GAIM to meet at the #orca channel in irc.gnome.org at some time > and try to resolve this in a more real-time fashion. > > Will > > On Fri, 2006-04-14 at 08:12 -0400, Cody Hurst wrote: >> hi will, >> >> Sure, first of all, I might just be sitting here, no typing or >> anything and a message will come in and nothing is said, I have to try >> clicking my mouse wheel into the upper text area to read the text...I >> also don't even hear my own text messages being spoken when submitted >> intot he upper read only text box... >> >> Cody >> >> On Fri, 2006-04-14 at 10:01 -0400, Willie Walker wrote: >> > Hey Cody: >> > >> > (Answering your issues one at a time and re-writing the subject lines >> > to >> > help others that might look through the archives in the future). >> > >> > > 1. When in gaim and inside an IM window with another person, I was >> > > told that orca will automatically read incoming messages. I don't see >> > > this happening. What should I do >> > >> > It should be doing this. There is a known issue where if you are >> > typing >> > at the same time a message is coming in, your typing will interrupt the >> > message. This may or may not be what you are running into. Can you >> > describe more about what you are doing? >> > >> > Will >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Orca-list mailing list >> > Orca-list@gnome.org >> > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Orca-list mailing list >> Orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From churst31@verizon.net Sun Apr 16 13:09:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F21D23B1492 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:09:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20158-08 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:09:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9CB63B1342 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:09:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 4jdbtg639263d6 ([72.78.129.81]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IXT00BNTRN64YL0@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 16 Apr 2006 12:09:07 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 13:09:03 -0700 From: "C-DOG" Subject: Re: GAIM not automatically reading messages (was Re: orca 2 issues) To: "Orca screen reader developers" Message-id: <004301c66191$9bf191d0$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <000c01c65fde$9cc80350$2f01a8c0@4jdbtg639263d6> <1145023317.16179.156.camel@localhost> <1145016776.3700.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1145195078.8351.20.camel@localhost> <44425A4F.1090107@sun.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.992 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.300, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -0.992 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 17:09:11 -0000 hi, that was about when I installed it I think if I remember correctluy. Cody ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Burridge" To: "Orca screen reader developers" Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2006 7:53 AM Subject: Re: GAIM not automatically reading messages (was Re: orca 2 issues) > Cody, > >>This is very odd behavior and I haven't noticed it. We should try to >>both use GAIM to meet at the #orca channel in irc.gnome.org at some time >>and try to resolve this in a more real-time fashion. >> > > There is one thing it could be, depending upon where and when you got the > version of Orca you are using. From about last Tuesday afternoon to last > Wednesday morning (U.S. Pacific time), there was a version of Orca in > CVS HEAD that didn't properly speak messages that appeared a Gaim > chat window. It also didn't echo results of issuing commands in a terminal > window. It was fixed on Wednesday morning. Cody, if you are getting > Orca from CVS HEAD and you see both these problems, trying checking > out a new version and try again. If not, then I'll let you work with Will > on > IRC to try to fix the problem. > > This brings up the issue of knowing exactly what version of Orca everybody > is > using. The approach I've taken with this in gcalctool (the GNOME > calculator), > is to *always* increment the last digit in the version number string in > the > configure.in file for *every* single change that I check in. The middle > digit is > incremented for every tarball release I make. The initial digit is > incremented > for major changes to the application. The version number is easily > available > to the user in the Help->About dialog and that helps me track down exactly > which version they are using, even if they are getting it from CVS HEAD. > > I propose we do something similar with Orca. As we don't have a GUI, I > propose that a key sequence (Insert-? maybe) automatically speak/braille > the version number, so that users can include that in their problem > reports. > > >>On Fri, 2006-04-14 at 08:12 -0400, Cody Hurst wrote: >> >>>hi will, >>> >>> Sure, first of all, I might just be sitting here, no typing or >>>anything and a message will come in and nothing is said, I have to try >>>clicking my mouse wheel into the upper text area to read the text...I >>>also don't even hear my own text messages being spoken when submitted >>>intot he upper read only text box... >>> >>>Cody >>> >>>On Fri, 2006-04-14 at 10:01 -0400, Willie Walker wrote: >>> >>>>Hey Cody: >>>> >>>>(Answering your issues one at a time and re-writing the subject lines to >>>>help others that might look through the archives in the future). >>>> >>>> >>>>>1. When in gaim and inside an IM window with another person, I was >>>>>told that orca will automatically read incoming messages. I don't see >>>>>this happening. What should I do >>>>> >>>>It should be doing this. There is a known issue where if you are typing >>>>at the same time a message is coming in, your typing will interrupt the >>>>message. This may or may not be what you are running into. Can you >>>>describe more about what you are doing? >>>> >>>>Will >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Orca-list mailing list >>>>Orca-list@gnome.org >>>>http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Orca-list mailing list >>>Orca-list@gnome.org >>>http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Orca-list mailing list >>Orca-list@gnome.org >>http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From alpuzz@gmail.com Mon Apr 17 09:13:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F5693B2515 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 09:13:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10441-08 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 09:13:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.206]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED0F93B031B for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 09:13:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id h30so380000wxd for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 06:13:31 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=L7x1ELED3Tlqc9aZGJfox/SK6VlnAvuA4fOcczvn4EwbbwAkvcCqQ1I6R2rLf6X4OKQrgUzTHUPvnw9/pw6UOvxU6iFbjcvaKGdAVBnPP0Kmsfb9oHTJTwEId9i5affNiGFQTBVu1ar3lS2LFn/LAbZStoI3MRIjR9WPNMvsiDY= Received: by 10.70.6.12 with SMTP id 12mr732939wxf; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 06:13:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thinkpad ( [68.41.20.163]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id h17sm41704wxd.2006.04.17.06.13.30; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 06:13:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000a01c66220$b8735700$6901a8c0@thinkpad> From: "Al Puzzuoli" To: "Orca List" Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 09:13:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C661FF.30CE0280" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.652 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.149, BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_40_50=0.496, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -0.652 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Orca Default Gain setting too low? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:13:33 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C661FF.30CE0280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Will, I just checked out the build where you implemented the speech settings = into user-settings.py. Everything seems to be working; However at least = with viavoice, my experience was that the default gain was too low, and = until I edited the setting, speech was almost inaudible. I don't know = how this setting works across synths, or whether there will actually be = an "ideal" default for it, but when in doubt, I would suggest making it = higher rather than lower. For me, a gain value of 9 put the volume = about where it used to be before this change was made. --Al ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C661FF.30CE0280 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Will,
 
I just checked out the build where you = implemented=20 the speech settings into user-settings.py.  Everything seems to be = working;=20 However at least with viavoice, my experience was that the default gain = was too=20 low, and until I edited the setting, speech was almost inaudible.  = I don't=20 know how this setting works across synths, or whether there will = actually be an=20 "ideal" default for it, but when in doubt, I would suggest making it = higher=20 rather than lower.  For me, a gain value of 9 put the volume about = where it=20 used to be before this change was made.
 
--Al
   
------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C661FF.30CE0280-- From William.Walker@Sun.COM Mon Apr 17 09:30:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 966F93B039A for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 09:30:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11505-06 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 09:30:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 027043B02BF for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 09:30:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-02.sun.com ([192.18.108.176]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k3HDUOJO002880 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 07:30:25 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IXV00901C6BOV00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 07:30:24 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IXV00M59C6OKVX1@mail-amer.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 17 Apr 2006 07:30:24 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 09:30:23 -0400 From: Willie Walker Subject: Re: Orca Default Gain setting too low? In-reply-to: <000a01c66220$b8735700$6901a8c0@thinkpad> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: <1145280623.5120.17.camel@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <000a01c66220$b8735700$6901a8c0@thinkpad> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.584 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.014, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.584 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 13:30:27 -0000 Hey Al: Sounds good. I'll put it in there as a 9. I'd prefer to put nothing in there at all and let the engine default to its own level. It's there, however, so people can more easily set it for now. When the Configuration GUI is ultimately done, however, we should revisit everything placed in the settings file. Thanks! Will On Mon, 2006-04-17 at 09:13 -0400, Al Puzzuoli wrote: > Hi Will, > > I just checked out the build where you implemented the speech settings > into user-settings.py. Everything seems to be working; However at > least with viavoice, my experience was that the default gain was too > low, and until I edited the setting, speech was almost inaudible. I > don't know how this setting works across synths, or whether there will > actually be an "ideal" default for it, but when in doubt, I would > suggest making it higher rather than lower. For me, a gain value of 9 > put the volume about where it used to be before this change was made. > > --Al > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From William.Walker@Sun.COM Wed Apr 19 08:56:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B5AD3B1BCA for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:56:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07448-10 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:56:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E116A3B1BBA for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:56:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-01.sun.com ([192.18.108.175]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k3JCuKZe006288 for ; 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Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA4C43B2FF5 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:54:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-06.sun.com ([192.18.108.180]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k3JCsiJO009748 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 06:54:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IXY00101ZG6OD00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for desktop-devel-list@gnome.org; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 06:54:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.105] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IXY00LECZV7WBP1@mail-amer.sun.com> for desktop-devel-list@gnome.org; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 06:54:44 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 08:54:39 -0400 From: Willie Walker Subject: Re: Proposal to add Orca to GNOME 2.16 In-reply-to: <1144787604.2407.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> Sender: desktop-devel-list-bounces@gnome.org To: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org Errors-to: desktop-devel-list-bounces@gnome.org Message-id: <1145451279.14897.87.camel@localhost> X-Envelope-from: William.Walker@Sun.COM X-Envelope-to: orca-list@gnome.org MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: list X-BeenThere: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org Delivered-to: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org X-PMX-Version: 5.1.2.240295 X-Original-To: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org References: <1144699176.1595.35.camel@localhost> <2cb10c440604101310t149e9f41y6477003873f11a70@mail.gmail.com> <1144704825.15818.18.camel@localhost> <58d389c20604101511k165c683dmccbd58db128f7dfe@mail.gmail.com> <1144772264.3921.124.camel@cacharro.xalalinux.org> <1144787604.2407.73.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Help: List-Id: GNOME Desktop Development List Original-recipient: rfc822;william.walker@sun.com Hi All: I'd like to thank everyone for their responses to this proposal. The discussion has been quite informative. Now that the initial discussion has died down, I'd like to summarize what I think are the main points and then work to reach a decision. 1. People generally think it is the right thing to do. The growing Orca user community is finding good access with Orca as it is and feel that Orca is the right thing to focus on. 2. The "Highlander" principle is a concern, meaning that there is question about whether or not both Gnopernicus and Orca can be options. I describe this as a "concern" because there seem to be mixed feelings about whether the opinions in this area should be strictly adhered to for this case. I propose that both ship. With this, users will be able to choose the one that works for them. Note that the choice is often based upon whether the user can actually use the system or not. This is much different than the choice of whether one happens to like one e-mail application or content viewer better than the other. 3. The current gap of the Configuration GUI is an issue. Orca configuration currently is done via a command line setup script, although Orca has also been designed to run w/o requiring setup. Post setup configuration is managed by hand editing a settings module. We realize the 1990's clunkiness of this, and we definitely plan resolve this with a real GUI. The main issue is getting the manpower and we welcome help from the community to do it in a timely manner. I still need to point out the irony of requiring a screen reader to configure your screen reader. ;-) I propose that we recognize that the Configuration GUI is a much needed thing, but we realize that the users have other accessible options for configuring Orca. As such, the lack of the GUI is a very small notch below show stopper status for GNOME 2.16, and is a must have for GNOME 2.18. 4. How users start Orca is a question. The general use case for a screen reader is that it will automatically be started when the desktop starts. The "System->Preferences->Assistive Technology Support" dialog is the common thing used to set this up. This dialog currently enforces the Highlander principle, allowing only Gnopernicus to be started. It seems as though improvements to the automatic starting of applications for the GNOME Desktop in general, however, may provide a means to obsolete this dialog. Alternatively, this dialog could be modified to provide the user with a choice of which screen reader to use. I'm not sure what to propose here. 5. There was some question about Orca dependencies on things that are not a part of the GNOME desktop (e.g., GNOME Python, PyOrbit, etc.), but this was deemed acceptable via general GNOME policy if I understood correctly. Thoughts? Thanks again! Will _______________________________________________ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list --Boundary_(ID_nGhvPZvM9mPIBa9UGfuvzA)-- From alpuzz@gmail.com Wed Apr 19 12:14:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F16353B0177 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:14:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20358-04 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:14:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.193]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 916A13B0364 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:14:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id h30so1018024wxd for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:14:25 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=leZm9l4b67Njq838nefDZ/z1fus0KW8c2PQzvE6EpG/E5Lmt0F3QIg7fJThgghF+BqsXg0e5OhADKF5+KY4KEIxWi/ZLgRsR/EUzAswLyGr1AvFQbTOP5f6rfVfeaav2jVZW6o2SboO5xA/34WB+LuiIx2FvC62ApUf4TiLAFpg= Received: by 10.70.24.2 with SMTP id 2mr197071wxx; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:14:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thinkpad ( [68.41.20.163]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id i14sm45324wxd.2006.04.19.09.14.24; Wed, 19 Apr 2006 09:14:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <034401c663cc$519e87e0$6901a8c0@thinkpad> From: "Al Puzzuoli" To: "Ubuntu Accessibility Mailing List" , "Orca List" , "Gnome accessibility" Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 12:14:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.986 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.800, BAYES_40=-0.185, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -0.986 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Subject: Orca Accessing gui based administration tools in Ubuntu. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:14:28 -0000 Hi all, Those of you using Ubuntu with a screen reader may have noticed the issues inherent in gaining access to any of the gui based administration tools that require the use of sudo. This issue will currently impact users of any gnome screen reader, but one workaround is described on the Orca wiki at the following URL: http://live.gnome.org/Orca/UbuntuDapperDrake#head-4b3ef3321c5a686d75bc99e60ce1b6060f39dee8 Hopefully, this will be of some use to folks, and any thoughts, comments or further contributions to this wiki item will be appreciated. --Al From juanh@cox.net Fri Apr 21 06:00:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFE943B1DCF for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 06:00:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24282-04 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 06:00:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fed1rmmtao04.cox.net (fed1rmmtao04.cox.net [68.230.241.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD1783B1DD0 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 06:00:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eric ([68.8.54.153]) by fed1rmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060421100030.UTWF16517.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@eric> for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 06:00:30 -0400 From: "Juan Hernandez" To: Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 03:00:25 -0700 Message-ID: <004201c6652a$69725450$0700a8c0@eric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcZlKmlMxHsxrdqvSg+k/ge7afEP6Q== X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.241 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.482, BAYES_40=-0.185, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708] X-Spam-Score: 0.241 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Orca Ibmtts viavoice X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:00:32 -0000 How do I get orca to use ibmtts viavoice? thanks From William.Walker@Sun.COM Fri Apr 21 07:46:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E9243B1EEC for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 07:46:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01136-01 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 07:46:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB4B03B1F17 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 07:46:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-01.sun.com ([192.18.108.175]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k3LBk48x025227 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 05:46:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IY200G01JT22G00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 05:46:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.105] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IY200EP0M0RL884@mail-amer.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 05:46:04 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 07:45:59 -0400 From: Willie Walker Subject: Re: Orca Ibmtts viavoice In-reply-to: <004201c6652a$69725450$0700a8c0@eric> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: <1145619959.16587.171.camel@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <004201c6652a$69725450$0700a8c0@eric> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.584 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.014, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.584 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:46:20 -0000 Hi Juan: You should be able to do this in three meta steps: o Obtain/install IBMTTS from IBM o Build gnome-speech, enabling the IBMTTS driver o Run orca-setup and choose the IBMTTS driver Hope this helps, and the same instructions apply if you want to use the Fonix DECtalk voices, Will On Fri, 2006-04-21 at 03:00 -0700, Juan Hernandez wrote: > How do I get orca to use ibmtts viavoice? > > thanks > > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From alpuzz@gmail.com Fri Apr 21 08:40:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3FA93B1F66 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:40:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06023-01 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:40:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xproxy.gmail.com (xproxy.gmail.com [66.249.82.194]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8FA03B1F6E for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:40:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id h30so334426wxd for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 05:40:39 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:from:to:references:subject:date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=C/5S18XOn44HRHk/5RLc6O/UI0rUxbPe1kos9F0YSie5z3E9EdfsiWK6T8kIte+APbcDkThlDtriNokLbXpE+zgKnBZJ/wUh0aMaoDPjoPFuKvKZ/OnpJYgRmwv7DbmOVBlsyDSDRWDDeqb3kLK1DARdfl97wKB4W+uIS5pQZZw= Received: by 10.70.63.4 with SMTP id l4mr76301wxa; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 05:40:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thinkpad ( [68.41.20.163]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id h9sm4586wxd.2006.04.21.05.40.37; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 05:40:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002c01c66540$c9786220$6901a8c0@thinkpad> From: "Al Puzzuoli" To: "Orca screen reader developers" References: <004201c6652a$69725450$0700a8c0@eric> Subject: Re: Orca Ibmtts viavoice Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 08:40:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.268 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.332, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.268 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:40:41 -0000 hello Juan, Which Linux distribution are you using? I've had good look with ViaVoice, now known as TTSynth on fedora, but my experience has been that with other distros, especially non rpm based ones, your mileage may vary. --Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Juan Hernandez" To: Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 6:00 AM Subject: Orca Ibmtts viavoice > How do I get orca to use ibmtts viavoice? > > thanks > > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From juanh@cox.net Fri Apr 21 13:51:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A96B53B2082 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:51:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25534-10 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:51:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fed1rmmtao04.cox.net (fed1rmmtao04.cox.net [68.230.241.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03B993B2157 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:51:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eric ([68.8.54.153]) by fed1rmmtao04.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060421175143.CRUI16517.fed1rmmtao04.cox.net@eric> for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 13:51:43 -0400 From: "Juan Hernandez" To: "'Orca screen reader developers'" Subject: RE: Orca Ibmtts viavoice Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:51:39 -0700 Message-ID: <007301c6656c$3ddf8550$0700a8c0@eric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <002c01c66540$c9786220$6901a8c0@thinkpad> Thread-Index: AcZlQNHe/MGolX8TQg62dAqUzB86YwAK2ecg X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.981 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.290, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708] X-Spam-Score: -0.981 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:51:47 -0000 Fedora core 5. thanks -----Original Message----- From: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] On Behalf Of Al Puzzuoli Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 4:41 AM To: Orca screen reader developers Subject: Re: Orca Ibmtts viavoice hello Juan, Which Linux distribution are you using? I've had good look with ViaVoice, now known as TTSynth on fedora, but my experience has been that with other distros, especially non rpm based ones, your mileage may vary. --Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Juan Hernandez" To: Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 6:00 AM Subject: Orca Ibmtts viavoice > How do I get orca to use ibmtts viavoice? > > thanks > > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list _______________________________________________ Orca-list mailing list Orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From juanh@cox.net Fri Apr 21 14:29:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4DE13B05B3 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:29:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28009-04 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:29:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fed1rmmtao10.cox.net (fed1rmmtao10.cox.net [68.230.241.29]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5E5B3B0371 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:29:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eric ([68.8.54.153]) by fed1rmmtao10.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060421182859.DHXC17757.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@eric> for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:28:59 -0400 From: "Juan Hernandez" To: "'Orca screen reader developers'" Subject: RE: Orca Ibmtts viavoice Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:28:55 -0700 Message-ID: <007401c66571$72fa3d70$0700a8c0@eric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <1145619959.16587.171.camel@localhost> Thread-Index: AcZlOThgr0vm0XmMS+a0soZth4LhrQAOBeCw X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.024 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.333, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708] X-Spam-Score: -1.024 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:29:05 -0000 One other thing, I noticed when building gnome-speech, that there was java support, is this for accessability? If it is, how do I get it to recognize my java access bridge? thanks -----Original Message----- From: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] On Behalf Of Willie Walker Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 3:46 AM To: Orca screen reader developers Subject: Re: Orca Ibmtts viavoice Hi Juan: You should be able to do this in three meta steps: o Obtain/install IBMTTS from IBM o Build gnome-speech, enabling the IBMTTS driver o Run orca-setup and choose the IBMTTS driver Hope this helps, and the same instructions apply if you want to use the Fonix DECtalk voices, Will On Fri, 2006-04-21 at 03:00 -0700, Juan Hernandez wrote: > How do I get orca to use ibmtts viavoice? > > thanks > > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list _______________________________________________ Orca-list mailing list Orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From William.Walker@Sun.COM Fri Apr 21 17:43:38 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3F153B16CD for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:43:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05479-10 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:43:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30B4F3B156D for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:43:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-05.sun.com ([192.18.108.179]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k3LLha8x029121 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:43:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IY300101D8LRU00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:43:36 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.105] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IY3003RJDONQC55@mail-amer.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:43:36 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 17:43:34 -0400 From: Willie Walker Subject: RE: Orca Ibmtts viavoice In-reply-to: <007401c66571$72fa3d70$0700a8c0@eric> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: <1145655815.5505.13.camel@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <007401c66571$72fa3d70$0700a8c0@eric> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.584 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.014, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.584 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 21:43:38 -0000 Hi Juan: With respect to gnome-speech, the Java support is needed to build the gnome-speech driver for FreeTTS. If you don't a a need for this, the the gnome-speech build should work fine without the Java access bridge. Will On Fri, 2006-04-21 at 11:28 -0700, Juan Hernandez wrote: > One other thing, I noticed when building gnome-speech, that there was java > support, is this for accessability? If it is, how do I get it to recognize > my java access bridge? > > thanks > -----Original Message----- > From: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] On > Behalf Of Willie Walker > Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 3:46 AM > To: Orca screen reader developers > Subject: Re: Orca Ibmtts viavoice > > Hi Juan: > > You should be able to do this in three meta steps: > > o Obtain/install IBMTTS from IBM > o Build gnome-speech, enabling the IBMTTS driver > o Run orca-setup and choose the IBMTTS driver > > Hope this helps, and the same instructions apply if you want to use the > Fonix DECtalk voices, > > Will > > On Fri, 2006-04-21 at 03:00 -0700, Juan Hernandez wrote: > > How do I get orca to use ibmtts viavoice? > > > > thanks > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Orca-list mailing list > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From juanh@cox.net Fri Apr 21 18:04:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A96593B229C for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:04:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06312-10 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:04:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fed1rmmtao02.cox.net (fed1rmmtao02.cox.net [68.230.241.37]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F9963B2276 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:04:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eric ([68.8.54.153]) by fed1rmmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060421220409.GGBE14494.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@eric> for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:04:09 -0400 From: "Juan Hernandez" To: "'Orca screen reader developers'" Subject: RE: Orca Ibmtts viavoice Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 15:04:03 -0700 Message-ID: <008101c6658f$80cf5d40$0700a8c0@eric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <1145655815.5505.13.camel@localhost> Thread-Index: AcZljKoVYNVzGcIWTBCcWavcyhiNAAAAq+aA X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.058 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.367, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708] X-Spam-Score: -1.058 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 22:04:28 -0000 Great, thanks. I got orca up and running. My first impressions are, I really like this much more than gnopernicus. One queston, does orca have a controlpannel to be ab le to change settings? If yes how do I access it? Also, is there a guide on the commands for orca? Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] On Behalf Of Willie Walker Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 1:44 PM To: Orca screen reader developers Subject: RE: Orca Ibmtts viavoice Hi Juan: With respect to gnome-speech, the Java support is needed to build the gnome-speech driver for FreeTTS. If you don't a a need for this, the the gnome-speech build should work fine without the Java access bridge. Will On Fri, 2006-04-21 at 11:28 -0700, Juan Hernandez wrote: > One other thing, I noticed when building gnome-speech, that there was > java support, is this for accessability? If it is, how do I get it to > recognize my java access bridge? > > thanks > -----Original Message----- > From: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] > On Behalf Of Willie Walker > Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 3:46 AM > To: Orca screen reader developers > Subject: Re: Orca Ibmtts viavoice > > Hi Juan: > > You should be able to do this in three meta steps: > > o Obtain/install IBMTTS from IBM > o Build gnome-speech, enabling the IBMTTS driver > o Run orca-setup and choose the IBMTTS driver > > Hope this helps, and the same instructions apply if you want to use > the Fonix DECtalk voices, > > Will > > On Fri, 2006-04-21 at 03:00 -0700, Juan Hernandez wrote: > > How do I get orca to use ibmtts viavoice? > > > > thanks > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Orca-list mailing list > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list _______________________________________________ Orca-list mailing list Orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From William.Walker@Sun.COM Fri Apr 21 18:50:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D24763B16D0 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:50:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07942-10 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:50:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C25C3B129C for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:50:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-01.sun.com ([192.18.108.175]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k3LMoq8x001781 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:50:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IY300L01G5UCM00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:50:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.105] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IY300FPHGSRVR76@mail-amer.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:50:52 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 18:50:50 -0400 From: Willie Walker Subject: RE: Orca Ibmtts viavoice In-reply-to: <008101c6658f$80cf5d40$0700a8c0@eric> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: <1145659850.5505.54.camel@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <008101c6658f$80cf5d40$0700a8c0@eric> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.584 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.014, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.584 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 22:50:57 -0000 Hi Juan: Thanks for the kind words. The configuration GUI for Orca is not complete yet. We hope to get *something* available soon. For now, you need to hand edit ~/.orca/user-settings.py. In general, we're trying to keep the specific interface and keystrokes for Orca to a minimum. That is, we don't want to have to require users to learn a whole bunch of special Orca keystrokes in order to be able to use the machine. Instead, Orca will follow your keyboard focus around the display and present things to you. But, we do realize the need to do some exploring and some control of Orca using the keyboard. For this, we've generally taken over the numeric keypad and have also chosen to use the "Insert" key as the Orca modifier. If you want to explore around the keyboard, you can enter Orca's learn mode by pressing Insert+F1. When you enter learn mode, Orca will consume all keyboard events and will tell you what action the key combination you've pressed will do. To exit learn mode, press the escape key. You can also visit the Orca web site and WIKI for more information: http://www.gnome.org/projects/orca Hope this helps, Will On Fri, 2006-04-21 at 15:04 -0700, Juan Hernandez wrote: > Great, thanks. I got orca up and running. > > My first impressions are, I really like this much more than gnopernicus. > One queston, does orca have a controlpannel to be ab le to change settings? > If yes how do I access it? > > Also, is there a guide on the commands for orca? > > Thanks. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] On > Behalf Of Willie Walker > Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 1:44 PM > To: Orca screen reader developers > Subject: RE: Orca Ibmtts viavoice > > Hi Juan: > > With respect to gnome-speech, the Java support is needed to build the > gnome-speech driver for FreeTTS. If you don't a a need for this, the the > gnome-speech build should work fine without the Java access bridge. > > Will > > On Fri, 2006-04-21 at 11:28 -0700, Juan Hernandez wrote: > > One other thing, I noticed when building gnome-speech, that there was > > java support, is this for accessability? If it is, how do I get it to > > recognize my java access bridge? > > > > thanks > > -----Original Message----- > > From: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] > > On Behalf Of Willie Walker > > Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 3:46 AM > > To: Orca screen reader developers > > Subject: Re: Orca Ibmtts viavoice > > > > Hi Juan: > > > > You should be able to do this in three meta steps: > > > > o Obtain/install IBMTTS from IBM > > o Build gnome-speech, enabling the IBMTTS driver > > o Run orca-setup and choose the IBMTTS driver > > > > Hope this helps, and the same instructions apply if you want to use > > the Fonix DECtalk voices, > > > > Will > > > > On Fri, 2006-04-21 at 03:00 -0700, Juan Hernandez wrote: > > > How do I get orca to use ibmtts viavoice? > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Orca-list mailing list > > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Orca-list mailing list > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Orca-list mailing list > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From juanh@cox.net Sat Apr 22 02:09:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0D673B2300 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 02:09:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28303-01 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 02:09:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fed1rmmtao05.cox.net (fed1rmmtao05.cox.net [68.230.241.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 981753B22FE for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 02:09:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eric ([68.8.54.153]) by fed1rmmtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060422060927.FNGL24255.fed1rmmtao05.cox.net@eric> for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 02:09:27 -0400 From: "Juan Hernandez" To: "'Orca screen reader developers'" Subject: RE: Orca Ibmtts viavoice Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 23:09:23 -0700 Message-ID: <000901c665d3$4d360ad0$0700a8c0@eric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <1145659850.5505.54.camel@localhost> Thread-Index: AcZllhDrBZtwL525QVO6Z/QFucK9NwAPOrgg X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.087 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.396, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708] X-Spam-Score: -1.087 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 06:09:30 -0000 Thanks for the help. I have a few more questions. First, I see that alt+f1 goes to the applications menu, where I can access various apps, but how can I access like the control pannel, and how do I shutdown the gnome-session? I remember that when using gnopernicus I could easly do this, but I don't know if I hit a certain key, or something else. Thanks -----Original Message----- From: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] On Behalf Of Willie Walker Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 2:51 PM To: Orca screen reader developers Subject: RE: Orca Ibmtts viavoice Hi Juan: Thanks for the kind words. The configuration GUI for Orca is not complete yet. We hope to get *something* available soon. For now, you need to hand edit ~/.orca/user-settings.py. In general, we're trying to keep the specific interface and keystrokes for Orca to a minimum. That is, we don't want to have to require users to learn a whole bunch of special Orca keystrokes in order to be able to use the machine. Instead, Orca will follow your keyboard focus around the display and present things to you. But, we do realize the need to do some exploring and some control of Orca using the keyboard. For this, we've generally taken over the numeric keypad and have also chosen to use the "Insert" key as the Orca modifier. If you want to explore around the keyboard, you can enter Orca's learn mode by pressing Insert+F1. When you enter learn mode, Orca will consume all keyboard events and will tell you what action the key combination you've pressed will do. To exit learn mode, press the escape key. You can also visit the Orca web site and WIKI for more information: http://www.gnome.org/projects/orca Hope this helps, Will On Fri, 2006-04-21 at 15:04 -0700, Juan Hernandez wrote: > Great, thanks. I got orca up and running. > > My first impressions are, I really like this much more than gnopernicus. > One queston, does orca have a controlpannel to be ab le to change settings? > If yes how do I access it? > > Also, is there a guide on the commands for orca? > > Thanks. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] > On Behalf Of Willie Walker > Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 1:44 PM > To: Orca screen reader developers > Subject: RE: Orca Ibmtts viavoice > > Hi Juan: > > With respect to gnome-speech, the Java support is needed to build the > gnome-speech driver for FreeTTS. If you don't a a need for this, the > the gnome-speech build should work fine without the Java access bridge. > > Will > > On Fri, 2006-04-21 at 11:28 -0700, Juan Hernandez wrote: > > One other thing, I noticed when building gnome-speech, that there > > was java support, is this for accessability? If it is, how do I get > > it to recognize my java access bridge? > > > > thanks > > -----Original Message----- > > From: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org > > [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] > > On Behalf Of Willie Walker > > Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 3:46 AM > > To: Orca screen reader developers > > Subject: Re: Orca Ibmtts viavoice > > > > Hi Juan: > > > > You should be able to do this in three meta steps: > > > > o Obtain/install IBMTTS from IBM > > o Build gnome-speech, enabling the IBMTTS driver > > o Run orca-setup and choose the IBMTTS driver > > > > Hope this helps, and the same instructions apply if you want to use > > the Fonix DECtalk voices, > > > > Will > > > > On Fri, 2006-04-21 at 03:00 -0700, Juan Hernandez wrote: > > > How do I get orca to use ibmtts viavoice? > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Orca-list mailing list > > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Orca-list mailing list > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Orca-list mailing list > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list _______________________________________________ Orca-list mailing list Orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From Peter.Korn@Sun.COM Sat Apr 22 02:21:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E1563B0127 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 02:21:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28756-08 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 02:21:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95E723B232C for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 02:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phys-d3-ha21sca-1 ([129.145.155.163]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k3M6L78x022905 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 00:21:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.ha21sca-mail1.sfbay.sun.com by ha21sca-mail1.sfbay.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.24 (built Dec 19 2003)) id <0IY40000115VBC@ha21sca-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> (original mail from Peter.Korn@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 23:21:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [129.150.23.2] (vpn-129-150-23-2.SFBay.Sun.COM [129.150.23.2]) by ha21sca-mail1.sfbay.sun.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.24 (built Dec 19 2003)) with ESMTP id <0IY400EIV1N3D2@ha21sca-mail1.sfbay.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 21 Apr 2006 23:21:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 23:21:05 -0700 From: Peter Korn Subject: Re: Orca Ibmtts viavoice In-reply-to: <000901c665d3$4d360ad0$0700a8c0@eric> To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: <4449CB51.40800@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) References: <000901c665d3$4d360ad0$0700a8c0@eric> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.492 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.106, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.492 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 06:21:12 -0000 Hi Juan, Please see the GNOME Accessibility Guide for tons of info on keyboard commands for operating all things GNOME: http://www.gnome.org/learn/access-guide/2.14/ (and specifically see Chapter 3 "Using the Keyboard to Navigate the Desktop" at http://www.gnome.org/learn/access-guide/2.14/keynav-0.html ). There is no "global" key-combination to bring up the control panel - you either need to invoke it from the Run dialog (Alt+F2), or navigate to it through the menus (Alt+F1 - or Ctrl-ESC in some distros to get to the first menu). The moral equivalent of the task bar is either a top or bottom panel with things like an application menu in it (but also commonly lots of other goodies). Ctrl+Alt+TAB will cycle through all of the various panels and the desktop (where you can get to icons, the trash, etc.). Regards, Peter Korn Accessibility Architect, Sun Microsystems, Inc. > Thanks for the help. > > I have a few more questions. > > First, I see that alt+f1 goes to the applications menu, where I can access > various apps, but how can I access like the control pannel, and how do I > shutdown the gnome-session? > > I remember that when using gnopernicus I could easly do this, but I don't > know if I hit a certain key, or something else. > > Thanks > > > -----Original Message----- > From: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] On > Behalf Of Willie Walker > Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 2:51 PM > To: Orca screen reader developers > Subject: RE: Orca Ibmtts viavoice > > Hi Juan: > > Thanks for the kind words. The configuration GUI for Orca is not > complete yet. We hope to get *something* available soon. For now, you > need to hand edit ~/.orca/user-settings.py. > > In general, we're trying to keep the specific interface and keystrokes for > Orca to a minimum. That is, we don't want to have to require users to learn > a whole bunch of special Orca keystrokes in order to be able to use the > machine. Instead, Orca will follow your keyboard focus around the display > and present things to you. > > But, we do realize the need to do some exploring and some control of Orca > using the keyboard. For this, we've generally taken over the numeric keypad > and have also chosen to use the "Insert" key as the Orca modifier. If you > want to explore around the keyboard, you can enter Orca's learn mode by > pressing Insert+F1. When you enter learn mode, Orca will consume all > keyboard events and will tell you what action the key combination you've > pressed will do. To exit learn mode, press the escape key. > > You can also visit the Orca web site and WIKI for more information: > > http://www.gnome.org/projects/orca > > Hope this helps, > > Will > > > > On Fri, 2006-04-21 at 15:04 -0700, Juan Hernandez wrote: > >> Great, thanks. I got orca up and running. >> >> My first impressions are, I really like this much more than gnopernicus. >> One queston, does orca have a controlpannel to be ab le to change >> > settings? > >> If yes how do I access it? >> >> Also, is there a guide on the commands for orca? >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] >> On Behalf Of Willie Walker >> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 1:44 PM >> To: Orca screen reader developers >> Subject: RE: Orca Ibmtts viavoice >> >> Hi Juan: >> >> With respect to gnome-speech, the Java support is needed to build the >> gnome-speech driver for FreeTTS. If you don't a a need for this, the >> the gnome-speech build should work fine without the Java access bridge. >> >> Will >> >> On Fri, 2006-04-21 at 11:28 -0700, Juan Hernandez wrote: >> >>> One other thing, I noticed when building gnome-speech, that there >>> was java support, is this for accessability? If it is, how do I get >>> it to recognize my java access bridge? >>> >>> thanks >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org >>> [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] >>> On Behalf Of Willie Walker >>> Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 3:46 AM >>> To: Orca screen reader developers >>> Subject: Re: Orca Ibmtts viavoice >>> >>> Hi Juan: >>> >>> You should be able to do this in three meta steps: >>> >>> o Obtain/install IBMTTS from IBM >>> o Build gnome-speech, enabling the IBMTTS driver >>> o Run orca-setup and choose the IBMTTS driver >>> >>> Hope this helps, and the same instructions apply if you want to use >>> the Fonix DECtalk voices, >>> >>> Will >>> >>> On Fri, 2006-04-21 at 03:00 -0700, Juan Hernandez wrote: >>> >>>> How do I get orca to use ibmtts viavoice? >>>> >>>> thanks >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Orca-list mailing list >>>> Orca-list@gnome.org >>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Orca-list mailing list >>> Orca-list@gnome.org >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Orca-list mailing list >>> Orca-list@gnome.org >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Orca-list mailing list >> Orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Orca-list mailing list >> Orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > From juanh@cox.net Sat Apr 22 05:01:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE3953B23B6 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 05:01:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03524-06 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 05:01:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fed1rmmtao10.cox.net (fed1rmmtao10.cox.net [68.230.241.29]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31D4B3B23B3 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 05:01:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eric ([68.8.54.153]) by fed1rmmtao10.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060422090155.SKII17757.fed1rmmtao10.cox.net@eric> for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 05:01:55 -0400 From: "Juan Hernandez" To: "'Orca screen reader developers'" Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 02:01:51 -0700 Message-ID: <000d01c665eb$64e9c640$0700a8c0@eric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcZl62TNQCJ5w4h2QbuL6zTYz+EFog== X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.188 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.721, BAYES_50=0.001, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708] X-Spam-Score: 0.188 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Orca Sounds lin gnome X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:01:59 -0000 Hello, I read somewhere that there was a known problem where one could not have system sounds enabled in gnome. Is this true? Thanks From William.Walker@Sun.COM Sat Apr 22 08:03:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44AB13B24A7 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:03:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12324-06 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:03:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B82A3B24DD for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:02:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-03.sun.com ([192.18.108.177]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k3MC2V8x018477 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 06:02:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IY400E01H9LI000@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 06:02:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.105] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IY4001YPHG65DP5@mail-amer.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Sat, 22 Apr 2006 06:02:31 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 08:02:29 -0400 From: Willie Walker Subject: Re: Orca Sounds lin gnome In-reply-to: <000d01c665eb$64e9c640$0700a8c0@eric> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: <1145707350.5505.80.camel@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <000d01c665eb$64e9c640$0700a8c0@eric> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.585 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.013, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.585 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2006 12:03:35 -0000 Hi Juan: I believe depends upon the underlying audio support. The problem is that some systems do not support mixing of audio from multiple sources and instead only allow one thing to access the audio device at a time. This contention would cause problems when trying to do speech synthesis and sounds at the same time. Thus, on a system with this kind of problem, disabling system sounds helps reduce the contention. Hope this helps, Will On Sat, 2006-04-22 at 02:01 -0700, Juan Hernandez wrote: > Hello, > > I read somewhere that there was a known problem where one could not have > system sounds enabled in gnome. Is this true? > > Thanks > > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From vlists@online.de Sun Apr 23 07:02:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3AC63B0639 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 07:02:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31540-05 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 07:02:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.188]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC0693B04C5 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 07:02:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [84.163.19.41] (helo=[192.168.178.2]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwh2-1FXcMV2sEx-0005gw; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 13:02:43 +0200 Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 13:02:19 +0200 From: Vladyslav X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <115588519.20060423130219@online.de> To: orca-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:14d100770f6d5c41db123cd0081ac25c X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Orca Compiling Gnome Java access bridge X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Vladyslav Kutsenko , Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 11:02:47 -0000 Hello, I am having troubles compiling Java access bridge for Gnome. My environment: Debian testing + Gnome 2.14, JDK 1.5.0, Java access bridge 1.4.5. The configure script executes without errors, resulting in Makefile being created. make produces the following error message: --- snip --- ..... make[3]: Entering directory `/opt/java-access-bridge-1.4.5/impl/org/GNOME' Making all in Accessibility make[4]: Entering directory `/opt/java-access-bridge-1.4.5/impl/org/GNOME/Accessibility' CLASSPATH=../../../../idlgen:../../../../impl:../../../../bridge:../../../../util /usr/jdk/bin/javac AccessibleImpl.java AccessibleImpl.java:26: org.GNOME.Accessibility.AccessibleImpl is not abstract and does not override abstract method unimplemented() in org.GNOME.Accessibility.AccessibleOperations public class AccessibleImpl extends UnknownImpl implements AccessibleOperations { ^ ../../../../impl/org/GNOME/Accessibility/ComponentImpl.java:27: org.GNOME.Accessibility.ComponentImpl is not abstract and does not override abstract method getAlpha() in org.GNOME.Accessibility.ComponentOperations public class ComponentImpl extends org.GNOME.Bonobo.UnknownImpl implements ComponentOperations { ^ ../../../../impl/org/GNOME/Accessibility/TextImpl.java:28: org.GNOME.Accessibility.TextImpl is not abstract and does not override abstract method getAttributeValue(int,java.lang.String,org.omg.CORBA.IntHolder,org.omg.CORBA.IntHolder,org.omg.CORBA.BooleanHolder) in org.GNOME.Accessibility.TextOperations public class TextImpl extends UnknownImpl implements TextOperations { ^ ../../../../impl/org/GNOME/Accessibility/EditableTextImpl.java:29: org.GNOME.Accessibility.EditableTextImpl is not abstract and does not override abstract method getAttributeValue(int,java.lang.String,org.omg.CORBA.IntHolder,org.omg.CORBA.IntHolder,org.omg.CORBA.BooleanHolder) in org.GNOME.Accessibility.TextOperations public class EditableTextImpl extends TextImpl implements EditableTextOperations { ^ ../../../../impl/org/GNOME/Accessibility/ImageImpl.java:24: org.GNOME.Accessibility.ImageImpl is not abstract and does not override abstract method imageLocale() in org.GNOME.Accessibility.ImageOperations public class ImageImpl extends UnknownImpl implements ImageOperations { ^ Note: ../../../../impl/org/GNOME/Accessibility/StateSetImpl.java uses unchecked or unsafe operations. Note: Recompile with -Xlint:unchecked for details. 5 errors make[4]: *** [AccessibleImpl.class] Error 1 make[4]: Leaving directory `/opt/java-access-bridge-1.4.5/impl/org/GNOME/Accessibility' make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[3]: Leaving directory `/opt/java-access-bridge-1.4.5/impl/org/GNOME' make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/opt/java-access-bridge-1.4.5/impl/org' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/opt/java-access-bridge-1.4.5/impl' make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 ---- end of stdout and stderr Thank you in advance for your help. -- Regards Vladyslav From vlists@online.de Sun Apr 23 10:21:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA88E3B035F for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 10:21:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10212-04 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 10:21:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0D163B178D for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 10:21:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [84.163.19.41] (helo=[192.168.178.2]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwh2-1FXfSM2lcD-0005Ym; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 16:20:59 +0200 Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 16:20:50 +0200 From: Vladyslav X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <129361720.20060423162050@online.de> To: Vladyslav Kutsenko , Orca screen reader developers Subject: Re: Orca Compiling Gnome Java access bridge In-Reply-To: <115588519.20060423130219@online.de> References: <115588519.20060423130219@online.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:14d100770f6d5c41db123cd0081ac25c X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: Cc: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Vlad , Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 14:21:04 -0000 * Vladyslav wrote: > I am having troubles compiling Java access bridge for Gnome. My > environment: Debian testing + Gnome 2.14, JDK 1.5.0, Java access bridge > 1.4.5. [...] Sorry for asking this question without testing the newer version of the access bridge, 1.5.0. This version compiles without errors. -- Regards Vladyslav From renger@carolina.rr.com Sun Apr 23 10:36:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 372273B157E for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 10:36:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11293-02 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 10:36:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com (ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com [24.25.9.102]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 416003B14CE for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 10:36:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darkness.carolina.rr.com (cpe-071-068-068-168.carolina.res.rr.com [71.68.68.168]) by ms-smtp-03.southeast.rr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k3NEagMI016192 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 10:36:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <7.0.0.16.0.20060423100747.01cdf188@carolina.rr.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 10:36:35 -0400 To: orca-list@gnome.org From: Ricky Enger Subject: Strange behavior with Dec Express and Orca Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.173 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.881, BAYES_50=0.001, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -0.173 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 14:36:45 -0000 Hi all, First, apologies if this question would be better directed to the Emacspeak list, but anyway, here goes. I'm using the Emacspeak speech server for my Dec Express, and for the most part it works quite well with Orca. However, any time I encounter text enclosed in brackets, for example, [root@localhost~] the string is parsed as a command code for the Dec itself, rather than just being spoken as text. I've tested for the same behavior in Emacspeak, but it doesn't happen there. My knowledge of how the speech server interfaces with Orca is completely nonexistent, so not sure how to go about troubleshooting or fixing the problem. Any ideas or suggestions will be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Ricky From William.Walker@Sun.COM Sun Apr 23 15:41:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76A863B18AA; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:41:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27918-09; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:41:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5C8B3B1894; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:41:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-02.sun.com ([192.18.108.176]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k3NJf88x015670; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 13:41:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IY600H01PZ1B200@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 13:41:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.106] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IY600M15XCJKW04@mail-amer.sun.com>; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 13:41:08 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:41:06 -0400 From: Willie Walker Subject: Orca 0.2.3 Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: gnome-announce-list@gnome.org Message-id: <1145821267.21144.3.camel@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.585 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.013, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.585 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org, orca-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 19:41:11 -0000 ============== * What is it ? ============== Orca is a scriptable screen reader for the GNOME desktop for people with visual impairments. ================== * What's changed ? ================== ========== Orca 0.2.3 ========== * Many changes to the way settings are handled, including allowing them to be dynamically reloaded at run time. * Nascent support for configuration GUI (still needs work). * Nascent support for magnification (still needs work). * First pass at key and word echo (still needs work). * New support for ~/.orca/orca-customizations.py, a file that will not be overwritten, but will also be loaded if it exists. * Refactor of script.py to include methods for getKeyBindings, getBrailleBindings, getInputEventHandlers, and getListeners to make it easier for subclasses to override these things. * New settings.orcaModifierKeys setting to allow the user to specify which key(s) are to be used as the Orca modifier key. * New support to allow a script on a toolkit basis versus just being on a per app basis. * Fixed the way localized files were being found and used. * Reduced repetitive verbosity. * Updates to the requirements document. * Fixed metacity script to recognize apps started after Orca was started. * New script for planner. * Better handling of spell checking in StarOffice, Evolution, and GEdit. * More reliable synchronization of local Accessible cache. * Fixes for bugs 338687, 334294, 319643, 319789, 330631, 319651, 339690, 334893, 338240, 337857, 337704, 337709, 337489, 337322, 336648, 330487. ====================== * Where can I get it ? ====================== Source code: http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/orca/0.2/orca-0.2.3.tar.gz Enjoy. Will, Mike, Rich, and the Orca community From William.Walker@Sun.COM Sun Apr 23 15:59:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6C9E3B10EF for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:59:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28945-08 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:59:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A60273B1172 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:59:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-04.sun.com ([192.18.108.178]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k3NJx44d007325 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 13:59:05 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IY600F01XQDKW00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 13:59:04 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.106] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IY6005YQY6FNI26@mail-amer.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 13:59:04 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:59:02 -0400 From: Willie Walker Subject: Re: Strange behavior with Dec Express and Orca In-reply-to: <7.0.0.16.0.20060423100747.01cdf188@carolina.rr.com> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: <1145822343.21144.17.camel@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060423100747.01cdf188@carolina.rr.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.586 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.012, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.586 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 19:59:09 -0000 > I'm using the Emacspeak speech server for my Dec Express, and for the > most part it works quite well with Orca. Yeah! Thanks much to T.V. Raman for helping incorporate the Emacspeak speech server support into Orca. > However, any time I > encounter text enclosed in brackets, for example, [root@localhost~] > the string is parsed as a command code for the Dec itself, rather > than just being spoken as text. I've tested for the same behavior in > Emacspeak, but it doesn't happen there. I think DECtalk wants to interpret [blahblah] as a command because of the leading "[". I'm not sure how to tell it to *not* do this, but I suspect that is what is causing the problem. There's a way to tell DECtalk to not speak errors ("[:error ignore]"), but I'm not sure this is the right thing to do. BTW, there is some code in the gnome-speech handler for Orca that attempts to replace any "[" with "[ "; this seems to prevent DECtalk from interpreting it as a command, but it wreaks havoc with speaking things such as "make[1]". I suspect Raman's doing something smart inside emacspeak for this, but I'm not sure what it is (I'll drop him a line). In the meantime, if there's someone in the community who's more intimate with tips and tricks for the DECtalk inline command set (or maybe even the API) that could help with this problem, I'd love to hear from them. :-) Will From William.Walker@Sun.COM Sun Apr 23 18:28:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C520F3B1315; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 18:28:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03468-10; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 18:28:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 119EF3B1245; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 18:28:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-05.sun.com ([192.18.108.179]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k3NMSFaN001774; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 16:28:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IY700M014HTBI00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM); Sun, 23 Apr 2006 16:28:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.106] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IY7003LY532QC75@mail-amer.sun.com>; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 16:28:15 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 18:28:13 -0400 From: Willie Walker Subject: Re: Orca 0.2.3 In-reply-to: <20060423220830.GC1297@rednote.net> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Janina Sajka Message-id: <1145831294.21144.62.camel@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <1145821267.21144.3.camel@localhost> <20060423220830.GC1297@rednote.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.586 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.012, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.586 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org, orca-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 22:28:18 -0000 Hi Janina: Your comments are well taken and our thoughts are definitely in line with each other. I'm a firm believer that the user must be as independent as possible when it comes to installing, configuring, and using the system. It would be just plain dumb to write a Configuration GUI that is inaccessible -- please don't take the initial nascent support in 0.2.3 as any indication that we plan to ship an inaccessible Configuration GUI. It will undergo significant changes in the next few days, and you can be assured that Mike Pedersen will make sure the GUI is accessible and usable before we stop calling it "nascent." In addition, Orca already has a simple self-voicing console-based setup mechanism that we don't plan on getting rid of any time soon. Thanks! Will > This will only be useful if if gui accessibility is still working. If > the gui is broken so that orca isn't working for the use, no gui tool is > going to help the user get it back. > > Strongly suggest you build a console tool for orca setting first. Your > initial group of users, your initial group of champions, are all console > users with robust, reliable console accessibility at their fingertips. > Put the tools where they can be utilized. > > Requiring a working gui so you can configure the gui is like telling a > wheel chair user the courthouse is accessible once you get up that first > flight of stairs. From William.Walker@Sun.COM Sun Apr 23 19:55:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B9063B1A9B for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 19:55:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07788-03 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 19:55:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9C363B182B for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 19:55:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-01.sun.com ([192.18.108.175]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k3NNtpaN023471 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 17:55:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IY700D013BEZH00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 17:55:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.106] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IY700E94953M4O4@mail-amer.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 23 Apr 2006 17:55:51 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 19:55:49 -0400 From: Willie Walker Subject: Re: Strange behavior with Dec Express and Orca In-reply-to: <7.0.0.16.0.20060423100747.01cdf188@carolina.rr.com> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: <1145836550.12287.5.camel@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060423100747.01cdf188@carolina.rr.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.586 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.012, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.586 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2006 23:55:56 -0000 > I'm using the Emacspeak speech server for my Dec Express, and for the > most part it works quite well with Orca. However, any time I > encounter text enclosed in brackets, for example, [root@localhost~] > the string is parsed as a command code for the Dec itself, rather > than just being spoken as text. I've tested for the same behavior in > Emacspeak, but it doesn't happen there. Just to follow up: I sent an e-mail to Raman, and it turns out that emacspeak substitutes "left bracket" for "[". We can do something similar in Orca, and it probably should be something we incorporate with the verbalized punctuation logic. Will From juanh@cox.net Mon Apr 24 04:00:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8541F3B09D7 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 04:00:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27004-04 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 04:00:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fed1rmmtao02.cox.net (fed1rmmtao02.cox.net [68.230.241.37]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBA5B3B1AC2 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 04:00:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eric ([68.8.54.153]) by fed1rmmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060424080035.CIVH11766.fed1rmmtao02.cox.net@eric> for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 04:00:35 -0400 From: "Juan Hernandez" To: "'Orca screen reader developers'" Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 01:02:34 -0700 Message-ID: <00ca01c66775$71b48b90$0700a8c0@eric> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-index: AcZndXGCoh927OGHQRmPSfd3JV6oMA== X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.19 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.719, BAYES_50=0.001, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708] X-Spam-Score: 0.19 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Orca Few questions X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:00:39 -0000 I have been using orca a bit. I would like to know, when trying to access the menu bar in a application, is the only to access it alt+(letter of menu activator) ie: alt+f, in windows one can hit alt and use the left errows to move left-right, and up/down to open a menu. I want to know is the best way to navigate a menu bar is the flat review mode? Thanks From cerha@brailcom.org Mon Apr 24 04:02:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6CC33B1B03 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 04:02:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27004-10 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 04:02:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gate.brailcom.cz (xdsl-158-84.244.84.bluetone.cz [84.244.84.158]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 01DFB3B1AC3 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 04:02:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 13914 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2006 09:48:47 +0200 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.15.2?) (192.168.15.2) by ns.brailcom.xx with SMTP; 24 Apr 2006 09:48:47 +0200 Message-ID: <444C8600.3090809@brailcom.org> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:02:08 +0200 From: Tomas Cerha Organization: Brailcom, o.p.s. User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Orca 0.2.3 References: <1145821267.21144.3.camel@localhost> <20060423220830.GC1297@rednote.net> In-Reply-To: <20060423220830.GC1297@rednote.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.212 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.252, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.212 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org, orca-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:02:11 -0000 Janina Sajka napsal(a): > This will only be useful if if gui accessibility is still working. If > the gui is broken so that orca isn't working for the use, no gui tool is > going to help the user get it back. Hello, I believe the design of the Configuration infrastructure can be independent of the actual GUI. For example the solution proposed by Brailcom would allow to create a simple console-based or browser-based configuration frontend. In addition, the user still has the option of editing the configuration file, doesn't he? Best regards, Tomas. -- Brailcom, o.p.s. http://www.brailcom.org Free(b)soft project http://www.freebsoft.org Eurochance project http://eurochance.brailcom.org From wvdwalt@csir.co.za Mon Apr 24 04:42:45 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD59A3B15CC for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 04:42:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29580-07 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 04:42:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from apollo.csir.co.za (apollo.csir.co.za [146.64.10.99]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D833A3B208B for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 04:42:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([146.64.19.125]) by apollo.csir.co.za (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k3O8g7xg004002 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:42:07 +0200 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3O8eA91031599 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:40:10 +0200 Received: from localhost (wvdwalt@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id k3O8eAnL031587 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:40:10 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: wvdwalt owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:40:10 +0200 (SAST) From: Willem van der Walt X-X-Sender: wvdwalt@localhost.localdomain To: Orca screen reader developers Subject: Re: Strange behavior with Dec Express and Orca In-Reply-To: <1145836550.12287.5.camel@localhost> Message-ID: References: <7.0.0.16.0.20060423100747.01cdf188@carolina.rr.com> <1145836550.12287.5.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-CSIR-MailScanner-Information: Please contact sys-admin at csir dot co dot za for more information X-CSIR-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: wvdwalt@csir.co.za X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.548 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.051, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.548 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:42:46 -0000 Another approach might be to write a module in speech-dispatcher which works with an hw synth like the dectalk. One would have to make sure that this code flushes the buffer of the synth correctly, but would screen the top application like orca from having to do synthesizer specific things. Regards, Willem On Sun, 23 Apr 2006, Willie Walker wrote: >> I'm using the Emacspeak speech server for my Dec Express, and for the >> most part it works quite well with Orca. However, any time I >> encounter text enclosed in brackets, for example, [root@localhost~] >> the string is parsed as a command code for the Dec itself, rather >> than just being spoken as text. I've tested for the same behavior in >> Emacspeak, but it doesn't happen there. > > Just to follow up: > > I sent an e-mail to Raman, and it turns out that emacspeak substitutes > "left bracket" for "[". We can do something similar in Orca, and it > probably should be something we incorporate with the verbalized > punctuation logic. > > Will > > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > -- This message is subject to the CSIR's copyright, terms and conditions and e-mail legal notice. Views expressed herein do not necessarily represent the views of the CSIR. CSIR E-mail Legal Notice http://mail.csir.co.za/CSIR_eMail_Legal_Notice.html CSIR Copyright, Terms and Conditions http://mail.csir.co.za/CSIR_Copyright.html For electronic copies of the CSIR Copyright, Terms and Conditions and the CSIR Legal Notice send a blank message with REQUEST LEGAL in the subject line to HelpDesk@csir.co.za. This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. MailScanner thanks Transtec Computers for their support. From William.Walker@Sun.COM Mon Apr 24 07:51:39 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F4323B2B4A for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 07:51:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06822-10 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 07:51:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80DA53B2AE6 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 07:51:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-03.sun.com ([192.18.108.177]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k3OBpR4d004377 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 05:51:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IY8007015GDTK00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 05:51:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.106] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IY800BYJ69LNCS3@mail-amer.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 05:51:26 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 07:51:20 -0400 From: Willie Walker Subject: Navigating Menus (was Re: Orca Few questions) In-reply-to: <00ca01c66775$71b48b90$0700a8c0@eric> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: <1145879481.5143.9.camel@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <00ca01c66775$71b48b90$0700a8c0@eric> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.586 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.012, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.586 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:51:39 -0000 Hi Juan: F10 should pop up the first menu in the menu bar, and the arrow keys can be used to navigate between menus and menu items once you've done this. You can also press Escape to go back to where you were before pressing F10. With respect to flat review, Orca's been designed to follow the focus, giving you feedback when the focus changes or the things that have focus change. Flat review mode is sometimes viewed as an escape mode to give you information when the content on the screen is unorganized or you're dealing with a ill-behaved applicaton. As such, the goal is that you should hopefully not need flat review for much of your work. Will On Mon, 2006-04-24 at 01:02 -0700, Juan Hernandez wrote: > I have been using orca a bit. > > I would like to know, when trying to access the menu bar in a application, > is the only to access it alt+(letter of menu activator) ie: alt+f, in > windows one can hit alt and use the left errows to move left-right, and > up/down to open a menu. > > I want to know is the best way to navigate a menu bar is the flat review > mode? > > Thanks > > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From cerha@brailcom.org Mon Apr 24 09:30:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0246D3B2B83 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:30:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13822-03 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:30:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gate.brailcom.cz (xdsl-158-84.244.84.bluetone.cz [84.244.84.158]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A18A63B2A27 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:30:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15092 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2006 15:17:27 +0200 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.15.2?) (192.168.15.2) by ns.brailcom.xx with SMTP; 24 Apr 2006 15:17:27 +0200 Message-ID: <444CD30A.3020003@brailcom.org> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:30:50 +0200 From: Tomas Cerha Organization: Brailcom, o.p.s. User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Orca 0.2.3 References: <1145821267.21144.3.camel@localhost> <20060423220830.GC1297@rednote.net> <444C8600.3090809@brailcom.org> <20060424125747.GD1297@rednote.net> In-Reply-To: <20060424125747.GD1297@rednote.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.401 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.063, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.401 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org, orca-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:30:48 -0000 Janina Sajka wrote: > PS: This is also an opportunity for our f/oss environment to provide > greater accessibility than people have come to expect on platforms like > Windows and Macintosh. I believe those two environments rely on "gui > configuration tools," so I am not surprised people would talk about > wanting "gui configuration tools." But, it's the wrong approach. That's a good point. When a user says: "I want THIS", the greatest problem sometimes is to realize what THIS actually is... Best regards Tomas -- Brailcom, o.p.s. http://www.brailcom.org Free(b)soft project http://www.freebsoft.org Eurochance project http://eurochance.brailcom.org From wvdwalt@csir.co.za Mon Apr 24 09:35:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BD3B3B1A77 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:35:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14325-02 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:35:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from apollo.csir.co.za (mx-4.csir.co.za [146.64.10.99]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C9C73B0CD9 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:35:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([146.64.19.125]) by apollo.csir.co.za (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k3ODZ8Yn024572; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:35:08 +0200 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k3ODXChf006914; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:33:12 +0200 Received: from localhost (wvdwalt@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id k3ODXCBB006900; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:33:12 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: wvdwalt owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:33:12 +0200 (SAST) From: Willem van der Walt X-X-Sender: wvdwalt@localhost.localdomain To: Janina Sajka Subject: Re: Orca 0.2.3 In-Reply-To: <20060424125747.GD1297@rednote.net> Message-ID: References: <1145821267.21144.3.camel@localhost> <20060423220830.GC1297@rednote.net> <444C8600.3090809@brailcom.org> <20060424125747.GD1297@rednote.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-CSIR-MailScanner-Information: Please contact sys-admin at csir dot co dot za for more information X-CSIR-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: wvdwalt@csir.co.za X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.551 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.048, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.551 X-Spam-Level: Cc: orca-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:35:49 -0000 Hi, I think the need for a GUI configuration tool is set by some or other Gnome policy for inclusion into a standard Gnome release rather than by Willy. On Mon, 24 Apr 2006, Janina Sajka wrote: > Tomas Cerha writes: >> Janina Sajka napsal(a): >>> This will only be useful if if gui accessibility is still working. If >>> the gui is broken so that orca isn't working for the use, no gui tool is >>> going to help the user get it back. >> >> Hello, >> >> I believe the design of the Configuration infrastructure can be >> independent of the actual GUI. For example the solution proposed by >> Brailcom would allow to create a simple console-based or browser-based >> configuration frontend. In addition, the user still has the option of >> editing the configuration file, doesn't he? >> > > > Yes, absolutely. My central point is that configuration is most useful > if it can be performed apart from the environment being configured. I > like the browser suggestion very much for just this reason. > > So, my complaint with Willie's original point focused on three words > only, "gui configuration tool." The problem is simple, if the gui isn't > working for the user, no gui tool will help fix it. We need a tool > outside the gui environment. > > PS: This is also an opportunity for our f/oss environment to provide > greater accessibility than people have come to expect on platforms like > Windows and Macintosh. I believe those two environments rely on "gui > configuration tools," so I am not surprised people would talk about > wanting "gui configuration tools." But, it's the wrong approach. > > Janina > > >> Best regards, Tomas. >> >> -- >> Brailcom, o.p.s. http://www.brailcom.org >> Free(b)soft project http://www.freebsoft.org >> Eurochance project http://eurochance.brailcom.org >> _______________________________________________ >> gnome-accessibility-list mailing list >> gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > -- > > Janina Sajka Phone: +1.240.715.1272 > Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://CapitalAccessibility.Com > > Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and Canada--Go to http://ScreenlessPhone.Com to learn more. > > Chair, Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG) > janina@freestandards.org http://a11y.org > _______________________________________________ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > -- This message is subject to the CSIR's copyright, terms and conditions and e-mail legal notice. 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From William.Walker@Sun.COM Mon Apr 24 10:38:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0CE23B2C37; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:38:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18517-02; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:38:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ECA93B1BF6; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:38:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-01.sun.com ([192.18.108.175]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k3OEcdaN026563; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:38:39 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IY800E01DL7E600@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:38:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.106] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IY800EFQE0EM3I3@mail-amer.sun.com>; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:38:38 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:38:36 -0400 From: Willie Walker Subject: Re: Orca 0.2.3 In-reply-to: <20060424125747.GD1297@rednote.net> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Janina Sajka Message-id: <1145889517.5143.36.camel@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <1145821267.21144.3.camel@localhost> <20060423220830.GC1297@rednote.net> <444C8600.3090809@brailcom.org> <20060424125747.GD1297@rednote.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.586 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.012, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.586 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org, orca-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:38:48 -0000 Hi Janina: I think there may be some confusion here. > So, my complaint with Willie's original point focused on three words > only, "gui configuration tool." The problem is simple, if the gui isn't > working for the user, no gui tool will help fix it. We need a tool > outside the gui environment. The list you saw was a change log that only mentioned the *addition* of nascent support for a gui configuration tool. I apologize if it was taken as though this was going to be the only tool to be used to configure Orca. It is not the only tool: Orca has had a console-based tool since day one. In fact, I've always be one to point out the irony in needing a screen reader to configure your screen reader and I've been a strong proponent for the console-based tool. So...I think we are on the same page here. Thanks! Will From janina@opera.rednote.net Mon Apr 24 08:58:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30B433B2B43; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:58:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11431-05; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:58:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from opera.rednote.net (opera.rednote.net [70.84.142.212]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 494353B2B87; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:57:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from opera.rednote.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by opera.rednote.net (8.13.6/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k3OCvmAk028926; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:57:48 GMT Received: (from janina@localhost) by opera.rednote.net (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id k3OCvmQa028925; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:57:48 -0400 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:57:48 -0400 From: Janina Sajka To: Tomas Cerha Subject: Re: Orca 0.2.3 Message-ID: <20060424125747.GD1297@rednote.net> References: <1145821267.21144.3.camel@localhost> <20060423220830.GC1297@rednote.net> <444C8600.3090809@brailcom.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <444C8600.3090809@brailcom.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Operating-System: Linux opera.rednote.net 2.6.16-1.2096_FC5spksmp Organization: Capital Accessibility LLC (http://www.CapitalAccessibility.com) X-PGP-Key: http://www.CapitalAccessibility.com/JaninaSajka_gpg_key.html X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:45:06 -0400 Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org, orca-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 12:58:05 -0000 Tomas Cerha writes: > Janina Sajka napsal(a): > > This will only be useful if if gui accessibility is still working. If > > the gui is broken so that orca isn't working for the use, no gui tool is > > going to help the user get it back. > > Hello, > > I believe the design of the Configuration infrastructure can be > independent of the actual GUI. For example the solution proposed by > Brailcom would allow to create a simple console-based or browser-based > configuration frontend. In addition, the user still has the option of > editing the configuration file, doesn't he? > Yes, absolutely. My central point is that configuration is most useful if it can be performed apart from the environment being configured. I like the browser suggestion very much for just this reason. So, my complaint with Willie's original point focused on three words only, "gui configuration tool." The problem is simple, if the gui isn't working for the user, no gui tool will help fix it. We need a tool outside the gui environment. PS: This is also an opportunity for our f/oss environment to provide greater accessibility than people have come to expect on platforms like Windows and Macintosh. I believe those two environments rely on "gui configuration tools," so I am not surprised people would talk about wanting "gui configuration tools." But, it's the wrong approach. Janina > Best regards, Tomas. > > -- > Brailcom, o.p.s. http://www.brailcom.org > Free(b)soft project http://www.freebsoft.org > Eurochance project http://eurochance.brailcom.org > _______________________________________________ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list -- Janina Sajka Phone: +1.240.715.1272 Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://CapitalAccessibility.Com Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and Canada--Go to http://ScreenlessPhone.Com to learn more. Chair, Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG) janina@freestandards.org http://a11y.org From janina@opera.rednote.net Mon Apr 24 10:15:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E99123B2BB3; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:15:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17072-02; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:15:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from opera.rednote.net (opera.rednote.net [70.84.142.212]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55AAD3B2A27; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:15:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from opera.rednote.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by opera.rednote.net (8.13.6/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k3OEF6fv030231; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:15:06 GMT Received: (from janina@localhost) by opera.rednote.net (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id k3OEF6uv030230; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:15:06 -0400 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:15:06 -0400 From: Janina Sajka To: Thomas Ward Subject: Re: Orca 0.2.3 Message-ID: <20060424141506.GO9143@rednote.net> References: <1145821267.21144.3.camel@localhost> <20060423220830.GC1297@rednote.net> <444C8600.3090809@brailcom.org> <20060424125747.GD1297@rednote.net> <444CD43A.2020502@earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <444CD43A.2020502@earthlink.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Operating-System: Linux opera.rednote.net 2.6.16-1.2096_FC5spksmp Organization: Capital Accessibility LLC (http://www.CapitalAccessibility.com) X-PGP-Key: http://www.CapitalAccessibility.com/JaninaSajka_gpg_key.html X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:45:06 -0400 Cc: Janina Sajka , gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org, orca-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:15:22 -0000 I have no quarrel with meeting the expectations of users who might migrate to Linux from some other OS, as long as that doesn't require us dumbing our environment down. But, I have every quarrel with allowing their expectations to define what is, and is not meaningful and possible on our environment. I think we have a golden opportunity to raise the bar for accessibility over the next year or two, and I'm pushing for that. I want to see us deliver more accessibility than has been seen before by users of any OS. Seems to me the browser based configuration tool which Tomas Cerha mentioned makes the most sense. Works across allenvironments--even remotely, if someone can log in. PS: Don't forget who the first users are, and who will be providing all that tech support to all those hordes of converts your email contemplates. If existing Linux users are not well served, how are new, inexperienced users going to be well served? We need to expand our horizons,not limit them to the confines of old, outworn prejudices. Thomas Ward writes: > Janina Sajka wrote: > > I believe those two environments rely on "gui > configuration tools," so I am not surprised people would talk about > wanting "gui configuration tools." But, it's the wrong approach. > > Hello. I wouldn't go as far to say it is the wrong approach, but I do > believe it should not be the only means of configuration. There will be > those Windows converts who's major gripe with Linux and other gnu > operating systems is there is not enough gui configuration. There are > the console die-hards that absolutely want the power of the console. The > only medium between the two extremes is to provide both methods of > configuration. > We must remember a console die-hard can't convert a gui die-hard to a > console die-hard and the other way around. So providing both I feel is > the best solution here. > One last point Janina's point of view generally stems from the > contention if the gui isn't properly configured for access then the > console must be used. This is true. However, if the gui is working with > accessibility then there is nothing saying the gui screen reader like > Orca can't be used to do configurations in a gui environment, and gui > tools can be used. > > -- Janina Sajka Phone: +1.240.715.1272 Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://CapitalAccessibility.Com Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and Canada--Go to http://ScreenlessPhone.Com to learn more. Chair, Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG) janina@freestandards.org http://a11y.org From janina@opera.rednote.net Mon Apr 24 10:16:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A571D3B2BED for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:16:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17070-03 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:15:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from opera.rednote.net (opera.rednote.net [70.84.142.212]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81F613B2BB5 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:15:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from opera.rednote.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by opera.rednote.net (8.13.6/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k3OEFqLP030263; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:15:52 GMT Received: (from janina@localhost) by opera.rednote.net (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id k3OEFiNt030262; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:15:44 -0400 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:15:44 -0400 From: Janina Sajka To: Willem van der Walt Subject: Re: Orca 0.2.3 Message-ID: <20060424141544.GP9143@rednote.net> References: <1145821267.21144.3.camel@localhost> <20060423220830.GC1297@rednote.net> <444C8600.3090809@brailcom.org> <20060424125747.GD1297@rednote.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Operating-System: Linux opera.rednote.net 2.6.16-1.2096_FC5spksmp Organization: Capital Accessibility LLC (http://www.CapitalAccessibility.com) X-PGP-Key: http://www.CapitalAccessibility.com/JaninaSajka_gpg_key.html X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:45:06 -0400 Cc: Janina Sajka , orca-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:16:01 -0000 If so, Willem, then they need to learn something better, too. Willem van der Walt writes: > > Hi, > I think the need for a GUI configuration tool is set by some or other > Gnome policy for inclusion into a standard Gnome release rather than by > Willy. > On Mon, 24 Apr 2006, Janina Sajka wrote: > > >Tomas Cerha writes: > >>Janina Sajka napsal(a): > >>>This will only be useful if if gui accessibility is still working. If > >>>the gui is broken so that orca isn't working for the use, no gui tool is > >>>going to help the user get it back. > >> > >>Hello, > >> > >>I believe the design of the Configuration infrastructure can be > >>independent of the actual GUI. For example the solution proposed by > >>Brailcom would allow to create a simple console-based or browser-based > >>configuration frontend. In addition, the user still has the option of > >>editing the configuration file, doesn't he? > >> > > > > > >Yes, absolutely. My central point is that configuration is most useful > >if it can be performed apart from the environment being configured. I > >like the browser suggestion very much for just this reason. > > > >So, my complaint with Willie's original point focused on three words > >only, "gui configuration tool." The problem is simple, if the gui isn't > >working for the user, no gui tool will help fix it. We need a tool > >outside the gui environment. > > > >PS: This is also an opportunity for our f/oss environment to provide > >greater accessibility than people have come to expect on platforms like > >Windows and Macintosh. I believe those two environments rely on "gui > >configuration tools," so I am not surprised people would talk about > >wanting "gui configuration tools." But, it's the wrong approach. > > > >Janina > > > > > >>Best regards, Tomas. > >> > >>-- > >>Brailcom, o.p.s. http://www.brailcom.org > >>Free(b)soft project http://www.freebsoft.org > >>Eurochance project http://eurochance.brailcom.org > >>_______________________________________________ > >>gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > >>gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > >>http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > >-- > > > >Janina Sajka Phone: +1.240.715.1272 > >Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://CapitalAccessibility.Com > > > >Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and > >Canada--Go to http://ScreenlessPhone.Com to learn more. > > > >Chair, Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG) > >janina@freestandards.org http://a11y.org > >_______________________________________________ > >gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > >gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > >http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > > -- > This message is subject to the CSIR's copyright, terms and conditions and > e-mail legal notice. 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Chair, Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG) janina@freestandards.org http://a11y.org From tward1978@earthlink.net Mon Apr 24 09:36:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27B083B0CD9; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:36:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14317-05; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:36:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net (pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net [207.69.195.72]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13BFA3B2B19; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dialup-4.252.96.191.dial1.cincinnati1.level3.net ([4.252.96.191]) by pop-sarus.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FY1E7-0007nE-00; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:35:44 -0400 Message-ID: <444CD43A.2020502@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:35:54 -0400 From: Thomas Ward User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (Windows/20060308) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Janina Sajka Subject: Re: Orca 0.2.3 References: <1145821267.21144.3.camel@localhost> <20060423220830.GC1297@rednote.net> <444C8600.3090809@brailcom.org> <20060424125747.GD1297@rednote.net> In-Reply-To: <20060424125747.GD1297@rednote.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.399 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.399 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:45:26 -0400 Cc: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org, orca-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 13:36:04 -0000 Janina Sajka wrote: I believe those two environments rely on "gui configuration tools," so I am not surprised people would talk about wanting "gui configuration tools." But, it's the wrong approach. Hello. I wouldn't go as far to say it is the wrong approach, but I do believe it should not be the only means of configuration. There will be those Windows converts who's major gripe with Linux and other gnu operating systems is there is not enough gui configuration. There are the console die-hards that absolutely want the power of the console. The only medium between the two extremes is to provide both methods of configuration. We must remember a console die-hard can't convert a gui die-hard to a console die-hard and the other way around. So providing both I feel is the best solution here. One last point Janina's point of view generally stems from the contention if the gui isn't properly configured for access then the console must be used. This is true. However, if the gui is working with accessibility then there is nothing saying the gui screen reader like Orca can't be used to do configurations in a gui environment, and gui tools can be used. From henrik@ubuntu.com Mon Apr 24 10:48:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 847393B1C14; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:48:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19030-10; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:48:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.nildram.co.uk (smtp.nildram.co.uk [195.112.4.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67FB63B0A2D; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:48:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.0.0.10] (henrik.gotadsl.co.uk [82.133.122.11]) by smtp.nildram.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B8A4339639; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:47:56 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <444CE520.8020508@ubuntu.com> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:48:00 +0100 From: Henrik Nilsen Omma User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20060309) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-accessibility-list-bounces@gnome.org Subject: Re: Orca 0.2.3 References: <1145821267.21144.3.camel@localhost> <20060423220830.GC1297@rednote.net> <444C8600.3090809@brailcom.org> <20060424125747.GD1297@rednote.net> <444CD43A.2020502@earthlink.net> <20060424141506.GO9143@rednote.net> In-Reply-To: <20060424141506.GO9143@rednote.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.595 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.004, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.595 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 10:50:55 -0400 Cc: orca-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:48:03 -0000 Janina Sajka wrote: > Seems to me the browser based configuration tool which Tomas Cerha > mentioned makes the most sense. Works across allenvironments--even > remotely, if someone can log in. > I think all the points raised so far speak in favour of having a flexible configuration that can support several front-ends with a single, unified back-end (and preferable with support for several AT apps). Imagine this: 1. If you type 'orca-setup' at the command line, you get a text based setup util for orca, which will also give also give you easy access to configure the speech infrastructure, be it Speech Dispatcher or gnome-speech. gok-setup or ktts-setup would work the same way. 2. If you type at-setup you get the top level utility with menu choices for the different AT apps at the CLI, where one of the choices is 'Orca', which then takes you to exactly the same setup util as above. Another choice might be 'Keyboard settings' which would take you to the keyboard settings in CLI mode. 3. If you are using Orca in Gnome and press Ctrl-Alt-SomeKey you get the Orca GUI, which gives you exactly the same settings options as #1, but displayed with GTK widgets instead of text. As in #1 the settings for the speech output are in sibling config utilities so they are easy to access. 4. If you go to System -> Preferences -> Assistive Technology in Gnome you get exactly the same choices as in #2, but in GUI form. 5. If you access these settings from within KDE you get the Qt front-end, using the very same back-end. AFAIU the Orca team is now making the config code cleanly separated from the GUI, so this approach should be possible. It may sound complicated to provide all these different interfaces, but by sharing code between projects we also share the work load AND we and up with a more flexible and more tidy experience for the user. I'm currently writing up a design spec for this idea here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Specs/CommonATConfig and I've proposed it as a Google Summer of Code project: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GoogleSoC2006 The basic design spec should take shape over the next few weeks so this is a good time to float ideas. - Henrik From William.Walker@Sun.COM Mon Apr 24 11:08:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D05A73B2C61; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:08:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20457-05; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:08:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D23B3B2C90; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-05.sun.com ([192.18.108.179]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k3OF7n4d024910; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:07:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IY800401F8KFB00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:07:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.106] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IY8003PFFCZ0Y33@mail-amer.sun.com>; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:07:48 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:07:46 -0400 From: Willie Walker Subject: Re: Orca 0.2.3 In-reply-to: <444CE520.8020508@ubuntu.com> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: <1145891266.5143.54.camel@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <1145821267.21144.3.camel@localhost> <20060423220830.GC1297@rednote.net> <444C8600.3090809@brailcom.org> <20060424125747.GD1297@rednote.net> <444CD43A.2020502@earthlink.net> <20060424141506.GO9143@rednote.net> <444CE520.8020508@ubuntu.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.586 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.012, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.586 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-accessibility-list-bounces@gnome.org X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:08:17 -0000 > AFAIU the Orca team is now making the config code cleanly separated from > the GUI, so this approach should be possible. Yep! Plus, the cool thing is that community members such as Ubuntu are stepping up to help with getting this done. We hope to have a very clean model for release some time later this week. Thanks, Will From Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM Mon Apr 24 11:16:56 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B4B03B19B2; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:16:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21129-10; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:16:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 927563B1AD3; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 11:16:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-03.sun.com ([192.18.108.177]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k3OFGq4d000373; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:16:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IY800M01FCRQV00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM); Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:16:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [129.146.91.109] by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IY800G4BFS3ID20@mail-amer.sun.com>; Mon, 24 Apr 2006 09:16:52 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 08:15:18 -0700 From: Rich Burridge Subject: Re: Orca 0.2.3] Sender: Rich.Burridge@Sun.COM To: gnome-accessibility-list-bounces@gnome.org, orca-list@gnome.org Message-id: <444CEB86.90708@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060327) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.596 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.002, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.596 X-Spam-Level: Cc: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:16:56 -0000 Nice summary Henrik. Thanks. As I was the person who wrote the first version of the Orca Configuration GUI, let me tell you more. Firstly, this was initiated to meet the requirement of having a configuration GUI in order to get Orca (hopefully) included in GNOME 2.16. What we have now is not the end. It's just the beginning. I generated the GUI using Glade and it's picked up and displayed by the orca-setup Python script, if (and only if), you start it with the command line option "-gui". By default, orca-setup still works by asking you a series of questions written to stdout and reading stdin for the answers (i.e works in a terminal window or directly at the console without the need for a GUI environment). As I said, this is a first version of the GUI. Mike Pedersen will be helping make sure that the GUI is fully accessible to blind people, assuming they have there GUI environment configured correctly. For those who don't, they can simply continue to use the command line version. The configuration GUI is also going to be available directly from within Orca. If you start Orca with the --configure option, then you'll get the GUI. If you type a sequence such as Insert-s or Insert-c (we haven't decided yet), then Orca will dynamically bring up the configuration GUI, and allow you to change your settings, then immediately use your new ones. For those of you who like editing text files to set your configuration, you still can. All these settings are written to a file called user-settings.py in your .orca directory under your home directory. Feel free to go into this file and adjust them there. It is early days yet. We will be working closely with the blind community to make sure that their needs are being met. We appreciate your helpful thoughtful responses on this matter. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Orca 0.2.3 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 15:48:00 +0100 From: Henrik Nilsen Omma Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers To: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org CC: orca-list@gnome.org References: <1145821267.21144.3.camel@localhost> <20060423220830.GC1297@rednote.net> <444C8600.3090809@brailcom.org> <20060424125747.GD1297@rednote.net> <444CD43A.2020502@earthlink.net> <20060424141506.GO9143@rednote.net> Janina Sajka wrote: > Seems to me the browser based configuration tool which Tomas Cerha > mentioned makes the most sense. Works across allenvironments--even > remotely, if someone can log in. > I think all the points raised so far speak in favour of having a flexible configuration that can support several front-ends with a single, unified back-end (and preferable with support for several AT apps). Imagine this: 1. If you type 'orca-setup' at the command line, you get a text based setup util for orca, which will also give also give you easy access to configure the speech infrastructure, be it Speech Dispatcher or gnome-speech. gok-setup or ktts-setup would work the same way. 2. If you type at-setup you get the top level utility with menu choices for the different AT apps at the CLI, where one of the choices is 'Orca', which then takes you to exactly the same setup util as above. Another choice might be 'Keyboard settings' which would take you to the keyboard settings in CLI mode. 3. If you are using Orca in Gnome and press Ctrl-Alt-SomeKey you get the Orca GUI, which gives you exactly the same settings options as #1, but displayed with GTK widgets instead of text. As in #1 the settings for the speech output are in sibling config utilities so they are easy to access. 4. If you go to System -> Preferences -> Assistive Technology in Gnome you get exactly the same choices as in #2, but in GUI form. 5. If you access these settings from within KDE you get the Qt front-end, using the very same back-end. AFAIU the Orca team is now making the config code cleanly separated from the GUI, so this approach should be possible. It may sound complicated to provide all these different interfaces, but by sharing code between projects we also share the work load AND we and up with a more flexible and more tidy experience for the user. I'm currently writing up a design spec for this idea here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Specs/CommonATConfig and I've proposed it as a Google Summer of Code project: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GoogleSoC2006 The basic design spec should take shape over the next few weeks so this is a good time to float ideas. - Henrik _______________________________________________ Orca-list mailing list Orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From William.Walker@Sun.COM Tue Apr 25 16:06:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E62D3B0E8B for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:06:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26494-02 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:06:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6171B3B0EA6 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:06:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-02.sun.com ([192.18.108.176]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k3PK6s4d027820 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:06:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IYA00J01NH4NM00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:06:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.106] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IYA000ZYNVIWPR4@mail-amer.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 14:06:54 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 16:06:53 -0400 From: Willie Walker Subject: "orca-setup" being replaced by "orca --text-setup" Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-id: <1145995613.23845.20.camel@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.587 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.011, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.587 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 20:06:57 -0000 Hi All: We're busy refactoring away at the preferences setting mechanism for Orca. I just checked in some changes to GNOME CVS HEAD that replaces the separate "orca-setup" utility with a "--text-setup" command line option for the "orca" command. Before people get alarmed: WE ARE NOT GETTING RID OF THE TEXT BASED SETUP. Read on for more information... The new mechanisms for setting up Orca at this point in time (they may change slightly before the next release, so hang on to your hats), are to pass command line options to the "orca" command. These options are as follows: --text-setup: gives you the text-based preferences setup interface that you used to get with orca-setup. It does not require the desktop to be running and can be run from a virtual console. --gui-setup: gives you a GUI-based preferences setup interface, and is also available via Insert+s when Orca is running. This is still under construction and does not work yet, so don't try it yet. We'll send an e-mail when it's ready for a look (later this week). Note that you also still have the option of manually editing the preferences file in your favorite accessible editor. Will From janina@opera.rednote.net Tue Apr 25 17:58:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 586BB3B0C5D for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:58:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32248-04 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:58:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from opera.rednote.net (opera.rednote.net [70.84.142.212]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 935AF3B06CC for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:58:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from opera.rednote.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by opera.rednote.net (8.13.6/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k3PLwmbQ030575 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:58:48 GMT Received: (from janina@localhost) by opera.rednote.net (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id k3PLwlol030574 for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:58:47 -0400 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:58:47 -0400 From: Janina Sajka To: Orca screen reader developers Subject: Re: "orca-setup" being replaced by "orca --text-setup" Message-ID: <20060425215847.GI1297@rednote.net> References: <1145995613.23845.20.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1145995613.23845.20.camel@localhost> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-Operating-System: Linux opera.rednote.net 2.6.16-1.2096_FC5spksmp Organization: Capital Accessibility LLC (http://www.CapitalAccessibility.com) X-PGP-Key: http://www.CapitalAccessibility.com/JaninaSajka_gpg_key.html X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.59 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.010, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.59 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:58:50 -0000 Absolutely no alarm here. Willie Walker writes: > Hi All: > > We're busy refactoring away at the preferences setting mechanism for > Orca. I just checked in some changes to GNOME CVS HEAD that replaces > the separate "orca-setup" utility with a "--text-setup" command line > option for the "orca" command. Before people get alarmed: WE ARE NOT > GETTING RID OF THE TEXT BASED SETUP. Read on for more information... > > The new mechanisms for setting up Orca at this point in time (they may > change slightly before the next release, so hang on to your hats), are > to pass command line options to the "orca" command. These options are > as follows: > > --text-setup: gives you the text-based preferences setup interface that > you used to get with orca-setup. It does not require the desktop to be > running and can be run from a virtual console. > > --gui-setup: gives you a GUI-based preferences setup interface, and is > also available via Insert+s when Orca is running. This is still under > construction and does not work yet, so don't try it yet. We'll send an > e-mail when it's ready for a look (later this week). > > Note that you also still have the option of manually editing the > preferences file in your favorite accessible editor. > > Will > > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list -- Janina Sajka Phone: +1.240.715.1272 Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://CapitalAccessibility.Com Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and Canada--Go to http://ScreenlessPhone.Com to learn more. Chair, Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG) janina@freestandards.org http://a11y.org From FDMA@once.es Wed Apr 26 04:04:06 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E77003B1202 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 04:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29016-01 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 04:04:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx.once.es (mx.once.es [217.149.152.66]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE0603B123A for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 04:04:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from omail01.once.org (unknown [172.24.1.51]) by mx.once.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8709936DE for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:04:08 +0200 (MEST) Received: by OMAIL01.once.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:04:00 +0200 Message-ID: <178EEBC4C5E55548A84E8B18F52AF800115022D3@omailcl.once.org> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Dorado_Mart=EDnez=2C_Francisco_Javier=22?= To: orca-list@gnome.org Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:03:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.571 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.028, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.571 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Orca Settings and speech keybindings X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:04:06 -0000 Hi to all 2006-04-25 Willie Walker * src/orca/orca.py: use Insert+space instead of Insert+s for settings. Insert+s is reserved for the stop speaking functionality. What do you think to move insert + control + s (now reload settings) to insert + control + space? Regards, Javier. From William.Walker@Sun.COM Wed Apr 26 08:36:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CED23B13A4 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:36:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15205-03 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:36:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D94123B150C for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:36:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-01.sun.com ([192.18.108.175]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k3QCal4d011519 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 06:36:48 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IYB00E01WFNB700@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 06:36:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.106] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IYB00FTOXPBVRM6@mail-amer.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 06:36:47 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 08:36:45 -0400 From: Willie Walker Subject: Re: Orca Settings and speech keybindings In-reply-to: <178EEBC4C5E55548A84E8B18F52AF800115022D3@omailcl.once.org> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: <1146055005.23845.32.camel@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT References: <178EEBC4C5E55548A84E8B18F52AF800115022D3@omailcl.once.org> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.587 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.011, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.587 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 12:36:50 -0000 I did that as part of the check in, but forgot to note it in the change log. Sorry about that. Thanks for keeping me honest - I just updated the change log comments. Will On Wed, 2006-04-26 at 10:03 +0200, "Dorado Martínez, Francisco Javier" wrote: > Hi to all > > 2006-04-25 Willie Walker > > * src/orca/orca.py: use Insert+space instead of Insert+s for > settings. Insert+s is reserved for the stop speaking functionality. > > What do you think to move insert + control + s (now reload settings) to > insert + control + space? > > Regards, > > Javier. > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From bjsn@ozemail.com.au Wed Apr 26 21:07:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAF793B0074 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:07:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29508-06 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony2.iinet.net.au (ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony2.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.196]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D91713B16F9 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2006 21:07:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 203-206-126-247.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO [192.168.1.100]) ([203.206.126.247]) by mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony2.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 27 Apr 2006 09:07:20 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-IronPort-AV: i="4.04,159,1143993600"; d="scan'208"; a="452531001:sNHT12793708" Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 11:07:12 +1000 (EST) From: Jan and Bertil Smark Nilsson X-X-Sender: bertil@localhost.localdomain To: Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: orca setup Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: Cc: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 01:07:27 -0000 Greetings, I'm trying to install Orca 0.2.3 for the first time. I've replaced configure.in and orca.spec.in with the latest files from CVS in order to be able to run orca --text-setup in accordance with Will's message on April 25. However when I do that I get the message RuntimeError: could not open display If I run startx and then run orca-setup an .orca directory is created with an empty file called user-settings.py and a subdirectory called orca-scripts with a file named __init__.py. I'm running Fedora FC4 and configured Orca with prefix=/usr, sysconfdir=/etc and localstatedir=/var. Does anybody have any ideas as to what the problem might be? Regards, Bertil Smark Nilsson From William.Walker@Sun.COM Thu Apr 27 08:03:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 804A23B2055 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:03:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 00666-09 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:03:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30EAD3B206D for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:02:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fe-amer-05.sun.com ([192.18.108.179]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.12.10/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k3RC2U4d024111 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 06:02:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) id <0IYD00H01Q05FI00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 06:02:30 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.106] ([68.116.197.173]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPSA id <0IYD0035BQS60YI3@mail-amer.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 06:02:30 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:02:28 -0400 From: Willie Walker Subject: Re: orca setup In-reply-to: Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Orca screen reader developers Message-id: <1146139349.5186.21.camel@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.587 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.011, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.587 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:03:23 -0000 Hi: Orca 0.2.3 was released on 23-Apr and the message from 25-Apr was regarding GNOME CVS HEAD (i.e., something that hasn't been bundled in an 'official' release yet). We're hammering away at the configuration stuff this week and should be able to bundle a new release very soon. If you want the latest stuff, though, you can pull it from 'orca' module in the GNOME CVS repository (http://cvs.gnome.org). Will PS - Thanks for the details in your message! Information such as what you provided helps soooo much in being able to understand a problem better. On Thu, 2006-04-27 at 11:07 +1000, Jan and Bertil Smark Nilsson wrote: > Greetings, > > I'm trying to install Orca 0.2.3 for the first time. I've replaced > configure.in and orca.spec.in with the latest files from CVS in order to > be able to run > > orca --text-setup > > in accordance with Will's message on April 25. However when I do that I > get the message > > RuntimeError: could not open display > > If I run startx and then run orca-setup an .orca directory is created with > an empty file called user-settings.py and a subdirectory called > orca-scripts with a file named __init__.py. > > I'm running Fedora FC4 and configured Orca with prefix=/usr, > sysconfdir=/etc > and localstatedir=/var. > > Does anybody have any ideas as to what the problem might be? > > Regards, > > Bertil Smark Nilsson > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list From bjsn@ozemail.com.au Thu Apr 27 08:36:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 288043B01E8 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:36:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02873-07 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:36:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony1.iinet.net.au (ihug-mail.icp-qv1-irony1.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.195]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAB623B2030 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2006 08:36:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 203-206-126-247.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO [192.168.1.100]) ([203.206.126.247]) by mail-ihug.icp-qv1-irony1.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 27 Apr 2006 20:36:33 +0800 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-IronPort-AV: i="4.04,160,1143993600"; d="scan'208"; a="464313841:sNHT14087776" Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 22:36:24 +1000 (EST) From: Jan and Bertil Smark Nilsson X-X-Sender: bertil@localhost.localdomain To: Orca screen reader developers Subject: Re: orca setup In-Reply-To: <1146139349.5186.21.camel@localhost> Message-ID: References: <1146139349.5186.21.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Orca screen reader developers List-Id: Orca screen reader developers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2006 12:36:41 -0000 Thanks Will, I thought that I got the latest stuff from Gnome CVS, but maybe I needed more than the two files I mentioned. However, I look forward to the new release. Regards, Bertil On Thu, 27 Apr 2006, Willie Walker wrote: > Hi: > > Orca 0.2.3 was released on 23-Apr and the message from 25-Apr was > regarding GNOME CVS HEAD (i.e., something that hasn't been bundled in an > 'official' release yet). We're hammering away at the configuration > stuff this week and should be able to bundle a new release very soon. > If you want the latest stuff, though, you can pull it from 'orca' module > in the GNOME CVS repository (http://cvs.gnome.org). > > Will > > PS - Thanks for the details in your message! Information such as what > you provided helps soooo much in being able to understand a problem > better. > > On Thu, 2006-04-27 at 11:07 +1000, Jan and Bertil Smark Nilsson wrote: >> Greetings, >> >> I'm trying to install Orca 0.2.3 for the first time. I've replaced >> configure.in and orca.spec.in with the latest files from CVS in order to >> be able to run >> >> orca --text-setup >> >> in accordance with Will's message on April 25. However when I do that I >> get the message >> >> RuntimeError: could not open display >> >> If I run startx and then run orca-setup an .orca directory is created with >> an empty file called user-settings.py and a subdirectory called >> orca-scripts with a file named __init__.py. >> >> I'm running Fedora FC4 and configured Orca with prefix=/usr, >> sysconfdir=/etc >> and localstatedir=/var. >> >> Does anybody have any ideas as to what the problem might be? >> >> Regards, >> >> Bertil Smark Nilsson >> _______________________________________________ >> Orca-list mailing list >> Orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >