From chan331@hotmail.com Thu May 1 20:30:12 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from hotmail.com (dav16.sea2.hotmail.com [207.68.164.120]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17DC71859D for ; Thu, 1 May 2003 20:30:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 1 May 2003 17:30:11 -0700 Received: from 24.205.208.180 by dav16.sea2.hotmail.com with DAV; Fri, 02 May 2003 00:30:11 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.205.208.180] X-Originating-Email: [chan331@hotmail.com] From: "Chang Huang" To: Subject: Re: Problem to open Red hat 8 desktop icons Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 17:29:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C31007.38B7F020" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 May 2003 00:30:11.0383 (UTC) FILETIME=[FDD21C70:01C31041] Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C31007.38B7F020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ali: Thank you tell me that, but it still doesn't work after did those 6 = steps and restart. >On Thu, 2003-05-01 at 01:25, Chang Huang wrote: >> Hi all: >> I had this problem for a month. I did some install and uninstall = software=20 >> with my redhat 8 box. All the sudden, my icons on the desktop = wouldn't work=20 >> any more, every time I double click any one of them (Home, Start = Here,=20 >> Trash), a error massage display: "nautilus has no installed viewer = capable=20 >> of displaying "/home/usrname/.gnom-desktop/starthere.desktop". But if = I=20 >> restart and log in as root or other user, everything goes fine. = Please=20 >> someone help me to solve it! >Hello, >1) login as root >2) cd into your user homedir (not root) >3) rm -rf .nautilus >4) rm -rf .gnome-desktop >5) cd .gconf/apps >6) rm -rf nautilus >Backup important data first e.g. if you have documents or other private >stuff in the .gnome-desktop dir. >Last but not least, I'm not responsible for any damages. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C31007.38B7F020 Content-Type: text/html; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Ali:
Thank you tell me that, but it still = doesn't work=20 after did those 6 steps and restart.
 
 
>On Thu, 2003-05-01 at 01:25, Chang = Huang=20 wrote:
>> Hi all:
>> I had this problem for a month. I = did=20 some install and uninstall software
>> with my redhat 8 box. = All the=20 sudden, my icons on the desktop wouldn't work
>> any more, = every time=20 I double click any one of them (Home, Start Here,
>> Trash), a = error=20 massage display: "nautilus has no installed viewer capable
>> = of=20 displaying "/home/usrname/.gnom-desktop/starthere.desktop". But if I=20
>> restart and log in as root or other user, everything goes = fine.=20 Please
>> someone help me to solve it!
>Hello,
>1) = login=20 as root
>2) cd into your user homedir (not root)
>3) rm -rf=20 .nautilus
>4) rm -rf .gnome-desktop
>5) cd = .gconf/apps
>6) rm=20 -rf nautilus
>Backup important data first e.g. if you have = documents or=20 other private
>stuff in the .gnome-desktop dir.
>Last but = not least,=20 I'm not responsible for any damages.
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C31007.38B7F020-- From mjs@noisehavoc.org Thu May 1 21:39:44 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from chaos.noisehavoc.org (dsl093-167-154.sfo2.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.93.167.154]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F1DC18B6B for ; Thu, 1 May 2003 21:39:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mjs by chaos.noisehavoc.org with local (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 19BP2T-0007Uv-00; Thu, 01 May 2003 18:08:37 -0700 Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 18:08:37 -0700 From: Maciej Stachowiak To: Alexander Larsson Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Nautilus coding style change Message-ID: <20030501180836.A28732@noisehavoc.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from alexl@redhat.com on Wed, Apr 30, 2003 at 12:31:51PM -0400 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On 30Apr2003 12:31PM (-0400), Alexander Larsson wrote: > Dave and I have decided to finally remove the "all local variable > declarations have to go at the top of the function" rule from the Nautilus > coding-style guide. Both of us dislike this rule, and removing it doesn't > really cause any inconsistancies in the formating style of the codebase. > > I'm truely sorry for every patch submitter I've pestered about this > previously, but rest assured that your future patches may scope variables > however you want. > > In other words: ROCK ON! For what it's worth, the original reason for this rule was due to lack of C++-like ability to put a declaration anywhere, only in a block. This made things hard to refactor if you had a declaration at the start of an if block that got rearranged to not be conditional any more. Also, the practice of making a gratuitous block just to declare some morevariables was considered too ugly to use. However, with C99, the entire reason for the rule is obsolete. It should now be possible to put declarations anywehre, so putting them at the start of an if or while block should impose no special problems for others changing the code in the future. Regards, Maciej From jdub@perkypants.org Fri May 2 01:26:32 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-02.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.34]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DC9D318A87 for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 01:26:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9725 invoked from network); 2 May 2003 05:05:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO home.perkypants.org) (203.217.69.112) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 2 May 2003 05:05:49 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by home.perkypants.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B74D08C0EE for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 15:05:46 +1000 (EST) Received: from home.perkypants.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (katia [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12509-10 for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 15:05:46 +1000 (EST) Received: from lazarus.home (lazarus.home [192.168.10.10]) by home.perkypants.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61FFD8C0ED for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 15:05:46 +1000 (EST) Received: by lazarus.home (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D082112B730; Fri, 2 May 2003 15:05:46 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 15:05:46 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Nautilus coding style change Message-ID: <20030502050546.GW31770@lazarus> Mail-Followup-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org References: <20030501180836.A28732@noisehavoc.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030501180836.A28732@noisehavoc.org> Reply-By: Mon May 5 15:04:44 EST 2003 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Operating-System: Linux 2.4.21-pre5 i686 X-Uptime: 15:04:44 up 20 days, 20:34, 4 users, load average: 0.14, 0.06, 0.02 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030314-p1 (Debian) Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > However, with C99, the entire reason for the rule is obsolete. It should > now be possible to put declarations anywehre, so putting them at the start > of an if or while block should impose no special problems for others > changing the code in the future. To my knowledge, you can only do that with GCC 3.x, which might not be an altogether reasonable assumption on our part. We could say it's an absolute dependency, but do we want to? :-) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2004: Adelaide, Australia http://lca2004.linux.org.au/ "Think video. Think text flickering over your walls. Think games at work. Think anything where a staid, link-based browser is useless." "This person wrote for Ab Fab, right?" - Rich Welykochy From mjs@noisehavoc.org Fri May 2 03:00:54 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from chaos.noisehavoc.org (dsl093-167-154.sfo2.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.93.167.154]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB1B618371 for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 03:00:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mjs by chaos.noisehavoc.org with local (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 19BU3I-00081E-00; Thu, 01 May 2003 23:29:48 -0700 Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 23:29:48 -0700 From: Maciej Stachowiak To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Nautilus coding style change Message-ID: <20030501232948.B30548@noisehavoc.org> References: <20030501180836.A28732@noisehavoc.org> <20030502050546.GW31770@lazarus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20030502050546.GW31770@lazarus>; from jdub@perkypants.org on Fri, May 02, 2003 at 03:05:46PM +1000 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On 02May2003 03:05PM (+1000), Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > However, with C99, the entire reason for the rule is obsolete. It should > > now be possible to put declarations anywehre, so putting them at the start > > of an if or while block should impose no special problems for others > > changing the code in the future. > > To my knowledge, you can only do that with GCC 3.x, which might not be an > altogether reasonable assumption on our part. We could say it's an absolute > dependency, but do we want to? :-) Well, C99 is 4 years old now. At some point it's got to be OK to use it. For comparison, when the Linux kernel was originally released, C89 was 2 years old. Not that I care much, since I am not writing any Nautilus code these days. Regards, Maciej From Murray.Cumming@Comneon.com Fri May 2 03:07:29 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp1.infineon.com (smtp1.infineon.com [194.175.117.76]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CC2718C43 for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 03:07:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vihsx03a.vih.infineon.com (vih.ifx-mail3.com [172.31.163.97]) by smtp1.infineon.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h426w1Tm021849; Fri, 2 May 2003 08:58:02 +0200 (MEST) Received: by vihsx03a.vih.infineon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 2 May 2003 09:07:49 +0200 Message-ID: <258B0164D480D5118D900800062B3858FFABEB@vihsx09a.vih.infineon.com> From: Murray.Cumming@Comneon.com To: jdub@perkypants.org, nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: RE: Nautilus coding style change Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 09:07:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > From: Jeff Waugh [mailto:jdub@perkypants.org] > To my knowledge, you can only do that with GCC 3.x, which > might not be an > altogether reasonable assumption on our part. We could say > it's an absolute > dependency, but do we want to? :-) More importantly, it has to work with SUN's Forte compiler too. I guess it does, or someone would have complained already. Murray Cumming murrayc@usa.net www.murrayc.com From reinout@cs.vu.nl Fri May 2 10:25:08 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from sloep110.cs.vu.nl (sloep110.cs.vu.nl [130.37.24.70]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EEBD182DE for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 10:25:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sloep110.cs.vu.nl with esmtp (Smail #86) id m19BbTH-001fu3C; Fri, 2 May 2003 16:25 +0200 Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 16:25:06 +0200 (CEST) From: Reinout van Schouwen To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: question on nautilus message Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hello all, I have a question about this message: #: libnautilus-private/apps_nautilus_preferences.schemas.in.h:1 msgid "" "A list of captions below an icon in the icon view and the desktop. The " "actual number of captions shown depends on the zoom level. Possible values " "are: size, type, date_modified, date_changed, date_accessed, owner, group, " "permissions, octal_permissions and mime_type" - what is the difference between date_modified and date_changed, and does it need to be exposed to the user? - should these terms with underscores be translated or not? eagerly awaiting your reply, -- Reinout van Schouwen Artificial Intelligence student email: reinout@cs.vu.nl mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 MandrakeClub member From menthos@menthos.com Fri May 2 10:40:29 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.g.bonet.se (mail.g.bonet.se [212.181.52.4]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D84F183D8 for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 10:40:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from as2-4-1.for.hs.bonet.se (as2-4-1.for.hs.bonet.se [194.236.236.153]) by mail.g.bonet.se (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h42EeCxb009531; Fri, 2 May 2003 16:40:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from menthos@menthos.com) Subject: Re: question on nautilus message From: Christian Rose To: Reinout van Schouwen Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1051886427.20040.577.camel@stina.menthos.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-5) Date: 02 May 2003 16:40:28 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: fre 2003-05-02 klockan 16.25 skrev Reinout van Schouwen: > #: libnautilus-private/apps_nautilus_preferences.schemas.in.h:1 > msgid "" > "A list of captions below an icon in the icon view and the desktop. The " > "actual number of captions shown depends on the zoom level. Possible values " > "are: size, type, date_modified, date_changed, date_accessed, owner, group, " > "permissions, octal_permissions and mime_type" > > - what is the difference between date_modified and date_changed, and does > it need to be exposed to the user? > > - should these terms with underscores be translated or not? Most likely not. The above message is a schemas message and hence the mentioned values (the ones after the colon in this case) are likely literal values for a gconf key. You might want to report in bugzilla the fact that these values probably should be put inside quotes, to make sure they even more look like literal values and not something that should get translated or otherwise altered. Christian From mypersonal@sina.com Sat May 3 12:20:38 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from sina.com (unknown [202.106.187.156]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A6A8818400 for ; Sat, 3 May 2003 12:20:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 85366 invoked from network); 3 May 2003 16:07:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO zhangyun) (61.149.13.198) by 202.106.187.156 with SMTP; 3 May 2003 16:07:58 -0000 Message-ID: <001201c3118f$ebdbec40$961cfea9@zhangyun> From: "=?gb2312?B?1cXqwA==?=" To: Subject: We should add right mouse menu at tree sidebar Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 00:20:32 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C311D2.F9CF69B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C311D2.F9CF69B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 SGVsbG8sIGV2ZXJ5b25lLg0KDQpJIHRoaW5rIHdlIHNob3VsZCBhZGQgcmlnaHQgbW91c2UgbWVu dSBhdCB0cmVlIHNpZGViYXIgdG8gZG8gZ2VuZXJhbCBmaWxlIGZ1bmN0aW9ucyBzdWNoIGFzIGNv cHksIGN1dCwgcGFzdGUsIGV0Yy4sIGp1c3QgbGlrZSB0aGUgYmVoYXZpb3Igb2YgV2luZG93cyBF eHBsb3Jlci4gQmVjYXVzZSBpbiBtYW55IGNhc2VzLCBpdCBpcyB2ZXJ5IGNvbnZpbmVudCB0byBj b3B5IHRoZSB3aG9sZSBkaXJlY3RvcnkgZnJvbSB0cmVlIHNpZGViYXIuDQo= ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C311D2.F9CF69B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 PCFET0NUWVBFIEhUTUwgUFVCTElDICItLy9XM0MvL0RURCBIVE1MIDQuMCBUcmFuc2l0aW9uYWwv L0VOIj4NCjxIVE1MPjxIRUFEPg0KPE1FVEEgaHR0cC1lcXVpdj1Db250ZW50LVR5cGUgY29udGVu dD0idGV4dC9odG1sOyBjaGFyc2V0PWdiMjMxMiI+DQo8TUVUQSBjb250ZW50PSJNU0hUTUwgNi4w MC4yODAwLjExMDYiIG5hbWU9R0VORVJBVE9SPg0KPFNUWUxFPjwvU1RZTEU+DQo8L0hFQUQ+DQo8 Qk9EWSBiZ0NvbG9yPSNmZmZmZmY+DQo8RElWPjxGT05UIHNpemU9Mj5IZWxsbywgZXZlcnlvbmUu PC9GT05UPjwvRElWPg0KPERJVj48Rk9OVCBzaXplPTI+PC9GT05UPiZuYnNwOzwvRElWPg0KPERJ Vj48Rk9OVCBzaXplPTI+SSB0aGluayB3ZSBzaG91bGQgYWRkIHJpZ2h0IG1vdXNlIG1lbnUgYXQg dHJlZSBzaWRlYmFyIHRvIGRvIA0KZ2VuZXJhbCBmaWxlIGZ1bmN0aW9ucyBzdWNoIGFzIGNvcHks IGN1dCwgcGFzdGUsIGV0Yy4sIGp1c3QgbGlrZSB0aGUgYmVoYXZpb3Igb2YgDQpXaW5kb3dzIEV4 cGxvcmVyLiBCZWNhdXNlIGluIG1hbnkgY2FzZXMsIGl0IGlzIHZlcnkgY29udmluZW50IHRvIGNv cHkgdGhlIHdob2xlIA0KZGlyZWN0b3J5IGZyb20gdHJlZSBzaWRlYmFyLjwvRk9OVD48L0RJVj4N CjxESVY+Jm5ic3A7PC9ESVY+PC9CT0RZPjwvSFRNTD4NCg== ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C311D2.F9CF69B0-- From dave@ximian.com Sat May 3 19:24:08 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [141.154.95.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5C0918369 for ; Sat, 3 May 2003 19:24:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 12120 invoked from network); 3 May 2003 23:24:07 -0000 Received: from dmz.ximian.com (HELO squee.boston.ximian.com) (141.154.95.1) by peabody.ximian.com with RC4-MD5 encrypted SMTP; 3 May 2003 23:24:07 -0000 Subject: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus From: Dave Camp To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-fhTMBUq7Jqc6WHuXV2d3" Organization: Ximian, Inc. Message-Id: <1052004305.6747.97.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.2.99 (Preview Release) Date: 03 May 2003 19:25:05 -0400 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-fhTMBUq7Jqc6WHuXV2d3 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just checked in the following patch to add a Keep Aligned mode to the desktop in nautilus. When you switch to this mode, existing icons will snap to a grid. While in this mode, dropped icons will snap to grid locations automatically. I'd like people to build it and give it a whirl. Some notes on the behavior: * Aligned mode is on by default. * The grid is about half the size of a normal icon space in a normal icon view. This allows more freedom when placing icons, but means that icons won't always be in a strict grid. * Clean up by Name places icons on the grid whether you're in aligned mode or not. The end result is a nicer-looking clean up than before, but it is less compact. If you have compact layout turned on and aligned mode turned off, you'll get the old behavior (in keeping with the "compact mode is small and ugly" philosophy). Thanks, -dave --=-fhTMBUq7Jqc6WHuXV2d3 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=nautilus-snap-6.patch Content-Type: text/x-patch; name=nautilus-snap-6.patch; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Index: ChangeLog =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/ChangeLog,v retrieving revision 1.5795 diff -u -r1.5795 ChangeLog --- ChangeLog 3 May 2003 05:10:35 -0000 1.5795 +++ ChangeLog 3 May 2003 23:21:41 -0000 @@ -1,3 +1,37 @@ +2003-05-03 Dave Camp + + * libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-container.c: (icon_set_size), + (icon_toggle_selected), (snap_position), + (compare_icons_by_position), (placement_grid_new), + (placement_grid_free), (placement_grid_position_is_free), + (placement_grid_mark), (canvas_position_to_grid_position), + (placement_grid_mark_icon), (find_empty_location), (align_icons), + (lay_down_icons_tblr), (nautilus_icon_container_move_icon), + (destroy), (update_stretch_at_idle), (undo_stretching), + (nautilus_icon_container_unstretch), + (nautilus_icon_container_is_keep_aligned), (align_icons_callback), + (unschedule_align_icons), (schedule_align_icons), + (nautilus_icon_container_set_keep_aligned): + * libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-container.h: + * libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-dnd.c: (handle_local_move): + * libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-private.h: + * libnautilus-private/nautilus-metadata.h: + * src/file-manager/fm-desktop-icon-view.c: + (fm_desktop_icon_view_class_init), (real_supports_auto_layout), + (real_supports_keep_aligned): + * src/file-manager/fm-icon-view.c: + (fm_icon_view_supports_keep_aligned), (update_layout_menus), + (get_default_directory_keep_aligned), + (fm_icon_view_get_directory_keep_aligned), + (fm_icon_view_set_directory_keep_aligned), + (real_supports_keep_aligned), (fm_icon_view_begin_loading), + (keep_aligned_state_changed_callback), (fm_icon_view_merge_menus), + (fm_icon_view_reset_to_defaults), (fm_icon_view_class_init): + * src/file-manager/fm-icon-view.h: + * src/file-manager/nautilus-icon-view-ui.xml: + Implemented a "Keep Aligned" mode on the desktop, that snaps icons + to a grid. + 2003-05-03 Masahiro Sakai * configure.in: Call AC_LIBTOOL_WIN32_DLL which is necessary for Index: libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-container.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-container.c,v retrieving revision 1.339 diff -u -r1.339 nautilus-icon-container.c --- libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-container.c 23 Apr 2003 14:31:21 -0000 1.339 +++ libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-container.c 3 May 2003 23:21:42 -0000 @@ -101,9 +101,9 @@ #define STANDARD_ICON_GRID_WIDTH 155 /* Desktop layout mode defines */ -#define DESKTOP_PAD_HORIZONTAL 30 +#define DESKTOP_PAD_HORIZONTAL 10 #define DESKTOP_PAD_VERTICAL 10 -#define CELL_SIZE 20 +#define SNAP_SIZE 78 /* Value used to protect against icons being dragged outside of the desktop bounds */ #define DESKTOP_ICON_SAFETY_PAD 10 @@ -116,6 +116,14 @@ #define MINIMUM_EMBEDDED_TEXT_RECT_WIDTH 20 #define MINIMUM_EMBEDDED_TEXT_RECT_HEIGHT 20 +#define SNAP_HORIZONTAL(func,x) ((func ((double)((x) - DESKTOP_PAD_HORIZONTAL) / SNAP_SIZE) * SNAP_SIZE) + DESKTOP_PAD_HORIZONTAL) +#define SNAP_VERTICAL(func, y) ((func ((double)((y) - DESKTOP_PAD_VERTICAL) / SNAP_SIZE) * SNAP_SIZE) + DESKTOP_PAD_VERTICAL) + +#define SNAP_NEAREST_HORIZONTAL(x) SNAP_HORIZONTAL (eel_round, x) +#define SNAP_NEAREST_VERTICAL(y) SNAP_VERTICAL (eel_round, y) + +#define SNAP_CEIL_HORIZONTAL(x) SNAP_HORIZONTAL (ceil, x) +#define SNAP_CEIL_VERTICAL(y) SNAP_VERTICAL (ceil, y) enum { NAUTILUS_TYPESELECT_FLUSH_DELAY = 1000000 @@ -220,6 +228,15 @@ CLEARED, LAST_SIGNAL }; + +typedef struct { + int **icon_grid; + int *grid_memory; + int num_rows; + int num_columns; + gboolean tight; +} PlacementGrid; + static guint signals[LAST_SIGNAL]; /* Functions dealing with NautilusIcons. */ @@ -335,6 +352,7 @@ icon_set_size (NautilusIconContainer *container, NautilusIcon *icon, guint icon_size, + gboolean snap, gboolean update_position) { guint old_size; @@ -350,8 +368,8 @@ (container->details->zoom_level); nautilus_icon_container_move_icon (container, icon, icon->x, icon->y, - scale, scale, - FALSE, update_position); + scale, scale, FALSE, + snap, update_position); } static void @@ -398,6 +416,15 @@ if (icon == container->details->stretch_icon) { container->details->stretch_icon = NULL; nautilus_icon_canvas_item_set_show_stretch_handles (icon->item, FALSE); + /* snap the icon if necessary */ + if (container->details->keep_aligned) { + nautilus_icon_container_move_icon (container, + icon, + icon->x, icon->y, + icon->scale_x, icon->scale_y, + FALSE, TRUE, TRUE); + } + emit_stretch_ended (container, icon); } @@ -1004,150 +1031,313 @@ g_array_free (positions, TRUE); } -/* Search for available space at location */ -static gboolean -find_open_grid_space (NautilusIcon *icon, int **icon_grid, int num_rows, - int num_columns, int row, int column) -{ - int row_index, column_index; - int x1, x2, y1, y2; - double width, height; - int qwidth, qheight; - - /* Get icon dimensions */ - icon_get_bounding_box (icon, &x1, &y1, &x2, &y2); - - width = (x2 - x1) + DESKTOP_PAD_HORIZONTAL; - height = (y2 - y1) + DESKTOP_PAD_VERTICAL; - - /* Convert to grid coordinates */ - qwidth = ceil (width / CELL_SIZE); - qheight = ceil (height / CELL_SIZE); +static void +snap_position (NautilusIconContainer *container, + NautilusIcon *icon, + int *x, int *y) +{ + int center_x; + int baseline_y; + int icon_width; + int icon_height; + ArtDRect icon_position; + + if (*x < DESKTOP_PAD_HORIZONTAL) { + *x = DESKTOP_PAD_HORIZONTAL; + } - if ((row + qwidth > num_rows) || (column + qheight > num_columns)) { - return FALSE; + if (*y < DESKTOP_PAD_VERTICAL) { + *y = DESKTOP_PAD_VERTICAL; } - qwidth += row; - qheight += column; + icon_position = nautilus_icon_canvas_item_get_icon_rectangle (icon->item); + icon_width = icon_position.x1 - icon_position.x0; + icon_height = icon_position.y1 - icon_position.y0; - for (row_index = row; row_index < qwidth; row_index++) { - for (column_index = column; column_index < qheight; column_index++) { - if (icon_grid [row_index] [column_index] == 1) { - return FALSE; - } - } - } - return TRUE; + center_x = *x + icon_width / 2; + *x = SNAP_NEAREST_HORIZONTAL (center_x) - (icon_width / 2); + + /* Find the grid position vertically and place on the proper baseline */ + baseline_y = *y + icon_height; + baseline_y = SNAP_NEAREST_VERTICAL (baseline_y); + *y = baseline_y - (icon_position.y1 - icon_position.y0); +} + +static int +compare_icons_by_position (gconstpointer a, gconstpointer b) +{ + NautilusIcon *icon_a, *icon_b; + int x1, y1, x2, y2; + int center_a; + int center_b; + + icon_a = (NautilusIcon*)a; + icon_b = (NautilusIcon*)b; + + icon_get_bounding_box (icon_a, &x1, &y1, &x2, &y2); + center_a = x1 + (x2 - x1) / 2; + icon_get_bounding_box (icon_b, &x1, &y1, &x2, &y2); + center_b = x1 + (x2 - x1) / 2; + + return center_a == center_b ? + icon_a->y - icon_b->y : + center_a - center_b; } +static PlacementGrid * +placement_grid_new (NautilusIconContainer *container, gboolean tight) +{ + PlacementGrid *grid; + int width, height; + int num_columns; + int num_rows; + int i; + + /* Get container dimensions */ + width = GTK_WIDGET (container)->allocation.width / + EEL_CANVAS (container)->pixels_per_unit + - container->details->left_margin + - container->details->right_margin; + height = GTK_WIDGET (container)->allocation.height / + EEL_CANVAS (container)->pixels_per_unit + - container->details->top_margin + - container->details->bottom_margin; + + num_columns = width / SNAP_SIZE; + num_rows = height / SNAP_SIZE; + + if (num_columns == 0 || num_rows == 0) { + return NULL; + } + + grid = g_new0 (PlacementGrid, 1); + grid->tight = tight; + grid->num_columns = num_columns; + grid->num_rows = num_rows; + + grid->grid_memory = g_new0 (int, (num_rows * num_columns)); + grid->icon_grid = g_new0 (int *, num_columns); + + for (i = 0; i < num_columns; i++) { + grid->icon_grid[i] = grid->grid_memory + (i * num_rows); + } + + return grid; +} static void -get_best_empty_grid_location (NautilusIcon *icon, int **icon_grid, int num_rows, - int num_columns, int *x, int *y) +placement_grid_free (PlacementGrid *grid) { - gboolean found_space; - int row, column; + g_free (grid->icon_grid); + g_free (grid->grid_memory); + g_free (grid); +} + +static gboolean +placement_grid_position_is_free (PlacementGrid *grid, ArtIRect pos) +{ + int x, y; - g_assert (icon_grid != NULL); - g_assert (x != NULL); - g_assert (y != NULL); - - found_space = FALSE; - - /* Set up default fallback position */ - *x = num_columns * CELL_SIZE; - *y = num_rows * CELL_SIZE; - - /* Find best empty location */ - for (row = 0; row < num_rows; row++) { - for (column = 0; column < num_columns; column++) { - found_space = find_open_grid_space (icon, icon_grid, num_rows, - num_columns, row, column); - if (found_space) { - *x = row * CELL_SIZE; - *y = column * CELL_SIZE; - - /* Correct for padding */ - if (*x < DESKTOP_PAD_HORIZONTAL) { - *x = DESKTOP_PAD_HORIZONTAL; - } - if (*y < DESKTOP_PAD_VERTICAL) { - *y = DESKTOP_PAD_VERTICAL; - } - return; + g_return_val_if_fail (pos.x0 >= 0 && pos.x0 < grid->num_columns, TRUE); + g_return_val_if_fail (pos.y0 >= 0 && pos.y0 < grid->num_rows, TRUE); + g_return_val_if_fail (pos.x1 >= 0 && pos.x1 < grid->num_columns, TRUE); + g_return_val_if_fail (pos.y1 >= 0 && pos.y1 < grid->num_rows, TRUE); + + for (x = pos.x0; x <= pos.x1; x++) { + for (y = pos.y0; y <= pos.y1; y++) { + if (grid->icon_grid[x][y] != 0) { + return FALSE; } - } + } } + + return TRUE; } static void -mark_icon_location_in_grid (NautilusIcon *icon, int **icon_grid, int num_rows, int num_columns) +placement_grid_mark (PlacementGrid *grid, ArtIRect pos) { - int x1, x2, y1, y2; - double width, height; - int qx, qy, qwidth, qheight, qy_index; - int grid_width, grid_height; - - icon_get_bounding_box (icon, &x1, &y1, &x2, &y2); - - width = (x2 - x1) + DESKTOP_PAD_HORIZONTAL; - height = (y2 - y1) + DESKTOP_PAD_VERTICAL; - - /* Convert x and y to our quantized grid value */ - qx = icon->x / CELL_SIZE; - qy = icon->y / CELL_SIZE; - qwidth = ceil (width / CELL_SIZE); - qheight = ceil (height / CELL_SIZE); - - /* Check and correct for edge conditions */ - grid_width = num_rows; - grid_height = num_columns; + int x, y; - if ((qx + qwidth) > grid_width) { - qwidth = grid_width; - } else { - qwidth = qx + qwidth; + g_return_if_fail (pos.x0 >= 0 && pos.x0 < grid->num_columns); + g_return_if_fail (pos.y0 >= 0 && pos.y0 < grid->num_rows); + g_return_if_fail (pos.x1 >= 0 && pos.x1 < grid->num_columns); + g_return_if_fail (pos.y1 >= 0 && pos.y1 < grid->num_rows); + + for (x = pos.x0; x <= pos.x1; x++) { + for (y = pos.y0; y <= pos.y1; y++) { + grid->icon_grid[x][y] = 1; + } } - if ((qy + qheight) > grid_height) { - qheight = grid_height; +} + +static void +canvas_position_to_grid_position (PlacementGrid *grid, + ArtIRect canvas_position, + ArtIRect *grid_position) +{ + /* The first bit of this block will identify all intersections + * that the icon actually crosses. The second bit will mark + * any intersections that the icon is adjacent to. + * The first causes minimal moving around during a snap, but + * can end up with partially overlapping icons. The second one won't + * allow any overlapping, but can cause more movement to happen + * during a snap. */ + if (grid->tight) { + grid_position->x0 = ceil ((double)(canvas_position.x0 - DESKTOP_PAD_HORIZONTAL) / SNAP_SIZE); + grid_position->y0 = ceil ((double)(canvas_position.y0 - DESKTOP_PAD_VERTICAL) / SNAP_SIZE); + grid_position->x1 = floor ((double)(canvas_position.x1 - DESKTOP_PAD_HORIZONTAL) / SNAP_SIZE); + grid_position->y1 = floor ((double)(canvas_position.y1 - DESKTOP_PAD_VERTICAL) / SNAP_SIZE); } else { - qheight = qy + qheight; + grid_position->x0 = floor ((double)(canvas_position.x0 - DESKTOP_PAD_HORIZONTAL) / SNAP_SIZE); + grid_position->y0 = floor ((double)(canvas_position.y0 - DESKTOP_PAD_VERTICAL) / SNAP_SIZE); + grid_position->x1 = ceil ((double)(canvas_position.x1 - DESKTOP_PAD_HORIZONTAL) / SNAP_SIZE); + grid_position->y1 = ceil ((double)(canvas_position.y1 - DESKTOP_PAD_VERTICAL) / SNAP_SIZE); } + + grid_position->x0 = CLAMP (grid_position->x0, 0, grid->num_columns - 1); + grid_position->y0 = CLAMP (grid_position->y0, 0, grid->num_rows - 1); + grid_position->x1 = CLAMP (grid_position->x1, grid_position->x0, grid->num_columns - 1); + grid_position->y1 = CLAMP (grid_position->y1, grid_position->y0, grid->num_rows - 1); +} + +static void +placement_grid_mark_icon (PlacementGrid *grid, NautilusIcon *icon) +{ + ArtIRect icon_pos; + ArtIRect grid_pos; - /* Mark location */ - for (; qx < qwidth; qx++) { - for (qy_index = qy; qy_index < qheight; qy_index++) { - icon_grid [qx] [qy_index] = 1; + icon_get_bounding_box (icon, + &icon_pos.x0, &icon_pos.y0, + &icon_pos.x1, &icon_pos.y1); + canvas_position_to_grid_position (grid, + icon_pos, + &grid_pos); + placement_grid_mark (grid, grid_pos); +} + +static void +find_empty_location (NautilusIconContainer *container, + PlacementGrid *grid, + NautilusIcon *icon, + int start_x, + int start_y, + int *x, + int *y) +{ + double icon_width, icon_height; + int canvas_width; + int canvas_height; + ArtIRect icon_position; + ArtDRect pixbuf_rect; + gboolean collision; + + /* Get container dimensions */ + canvas_width = GTK_WIDGET (container)->allocation.width / + EEL_CANVAS (container)->pixels_per_unit + - container->details->left_margin + - container->details->right_margin; + canvas_height = GTK_WIDGET (container)->allocation.height / + EEL_CANVAS (container)->pixels_per_unit + - container->details->top_margin + - container->details->bottom_margin; + + icon_get_bounding_box (icon, + &icon_position.x0, &icon_position.y0, + &icon_position.x1, &icon_position.y1); + icon_width = icon_position.x1 - icon_position.x0; + icon_height = icon_position.y1 - icon_position.y0; + + pixbuf_rect = nautilus_icon_canvas_item_get_icon_rectangle (icon->item); + + /* Start the icon on a grid location */ + snap_position (container, icon, &start_x, &start_y); + + icon_position.x0 = start_x; + icon_position.y0 = start_y; + icon_position.x1 = icon_position.x0 + icon_width; + icon_position.y1 = icon_position.y0 + icon_height; + + do { + ArtIRect grid_position; + + collision = FALSE; + + canvas_position_to_grid_position (grid, + icon_position, + &grid_position); + + if (!placement_grid_position_is_free (grid, grid_position)) { + icon_position.y0 += SNAP_SIZE; + icon_position.y1 = icon_position.y0 + icon_width; + + if (icon_position.y1 + DESKTOP_PAD_VERTICAL > canvas_height) { + /* Move to the next column */ + icon_position.y0 = DESKTOP_PAD_VERTICAL + SNAP_SIZE - (pixbuf_rect.y1 - pixbuf_rect.y0); + while (icon_position.y0 < DESKTOP_PAD_VERTICAL) { + icon_position.y0 += SNAP_SIZE; + } + icon_position.y1 = icon_position.y0 + icon_width; + + icon_position.x0 += SNAP_SIZE; + icon_position.x1 = icon_position.x0 + icon_height; + } + + collision = TRUE; } - } + } while (collision && (icon_position.x1 < canvas_width)); + + *x = icon_position.x0; + *y = icon_position.y0; } -static void -mark_icon_locations_in_grid (GList *icon_list, int **icon_grid, int num_rows, int num_columns) +static void +align_icons (NautilusIconContainer *container) { - GList *p; - NautilusIcon *icon; + GList *unplaced_icons; + GList *l; + PlacementGrid *grid; + + unplaced_icons = g_list_copy (container->details->icons); - /* Mark filled grid locations */ - for (p = icon_list; p != NULL; p = p->next) { - icon = p->data; - mark_icon_location_in_grid (icon, icon_grid, num_rows, num_columns); + unplaced_icons = g_list_sort (unplaced_icons, + compare_icons_by_position); + + grid = placement_grid_new (container, TRUE); + + if (!grid) { + return; } + + for (l = unplaced_icons; l != NULL; l = l->next) { + NautilusIcon *icon; + int x, y; + + icon = l->data; + x = icon->x; + y = icon->y; + + find_empty_location (container, grid, + icon, x, y, &x, &y); + + icon_set_position (icon, x, y); + + placement_grid_mark_icon (grid, icon); + } + + g_list_free (unplaced_icons); + + placement_grid_free (grid); } static void lay_down_icons_tblr (NautilusIconContainer *container, GList *icons) { GList *p, *placed_icons, *unplaced_icons; - int index, total, new_length, placed; + int total, new_length, placed; NautilusIcon *icon; - int width, height, max_width, icon_width, icon_height; + int width, height, max_width, column_width, icon_width, icon_height; int x, y, x1, x2, y1, y2; - int *grid_memory; - int **icon_grid; - int num_rows, num_columns; - int row, column; ArtDRect icon_rect; /* Get container dimensions */ @@ -1168,6 +1358,7 @@ new_length = g_list_length (icons); placed = total - new_length; if (placed > 0) { + PlacementGrid *grid; /* Add only placed icons in list */ for (p = container->details->icons; p != NULL; p = p->next) { icon = p->data; @@ -1181,54 +1372,40 @@ } placed_icons = g_list_reverse (placed_icons); unplaced_icons = g_list_reverse (unplaced_icons); - - /* Allocate grid array */ - num_rows = width / CELL_SIZE; - num_columns = height / CELL_SIZE; - - /* Allocate array memory */ - grid_memory = malloc (num_rows * num_columns * sizeof (int *)); - g_assert (grid_memory); - - /* Allocate room for the pointers to the rows */ - icon_grid = malloc (num_rows * sizeof (int *)); - g_assert (icon_grid); - - /* Point to array pointers */ - for (index = 0; index < num_rows; index++) { - icon_grid[index] = grid_memory + (index * num_columns); - } - - /* Set all grid values to unfilled */ - for (row = 0; row < num_rows; row++) { - for (column = 0; column < num_columns; column++) { - icon_grid [row] [column] = 0; - } - } - - /* Mark filled grid locations */ - mark_icon_locations_in_grid (placed_icons, icon_grid, num_rows, num_columns); - /* Place unplaced icons in the best locations */ - for (p = unplaced_icons; p != NULL; p = p->next) { - icon = p->data; - get_best_empty_grid_location (icon, icon_grid, num_rows, num_columns, - &x, &y); + grid = placement_grid_new (container, FALSE); - icon_get_bounding_box (icon, &x1, &y1, &x2, &y2); - icon_width = x2 - x1; + if (grid) { + for (p = placed_icons; p != NULL; p = p->next) { + placement_grid_mark_icon + (grid, (NautilusIcon*)p->data); + } - icon_rect = nautilus_icon_canvas_item_get_icon_rectangle (icon->item); + /* Place unplaced icons in the best locations */ + for (p = unplaced_icons; p != NULL; p = p->next) { + icon = p->data; + + icon_rect = nautilus_icon_canvas_item_get_icon_rectangle (icon->item); + icon_get_bounding_box (icon, + &x1, &y1, &x2, &y2); + + /* Start the icon in the first column */ + x = DESKTOP_PAD_HORIZONTAL + SNAP_SIZE - ((x2 - x1) / 2); + y = DESKTOP_PAD_VERTICAL + SNAP_SIZE - (icon_rect.y1 - icon_rect.y0); + + find_empty_location (container, + grid, + icon, + x, y, + &x, &y); + + icon_set_position (icon, x, y); + placement_grid_mark_icon (grid, icon); + } - icon_set_position (icon, - x + (icon_width - (icon_rect.x1 - icon_rect.x0)) / 2, y); - /* Add newly placed icon to grid */ - mark_icon_location_in_grid (icon, icon_grid, num_rows, num_columns); + placement_grid_free (grid); } - - /* Clean up */ - free (icon_grid); - free (grid_memory); + g_list_free (placed_icons); g_list_free (unplaced_icons); } else { @@ -1236,18 +1413,32 @@ x = DESKTOP_PAD_HORIZONTAL; while (icons != NULL) { + int center_x; + int baseline; + gboolean should_snap; + + should_snap = !(container->details->tighter_layout && !container->details->keep_aligned); + y = DESKTOP_PAD_VERTICAL; - max_width = 0; + max_width = 0; + /* Calculate max width for column */ for (p = icons; p != NULL; p = p->next) { icon = p->data; - icon_get_bounding_box (icon, &x1, &y1, &x2, &y2); icon_width = x2 - x1; icon_height = y2 - y1; - + + if (should_snap) { + /* Snap the baseline to a grid position */ + icon_rect = nautilus_icon_canvas_item_get_icon_rectangle (icon->item); + baseline = y + (icon_rect.y1 - icon_rect.y0); + baseline = SNAP_CEIL_VERTICAL (baseline); + y = baseline - (icon_rect.y1 - icon_rect.y0); + } + /* Check and see if we need to move to a new column */ if (y != DESKTOP_PAD_VERTICAL && y > height - icon_height) { break; @@ -1261,6 +1452,15 @@ } y = DESKTOP_PAD_VERTICAL; + + center_x = x + max_width / 2; + column_width = max_width; + if (should_snap) { + /* Find the grid column to center on */ + center_x = SNAP_CEIL_HORIZONTAL (center_x); + column_width = (center_x - x) + (max_width / 2); + } + /* Lay out column */ for (p = icons; p != NULL; p = p->next) { icon = p->data; @@ -1269,15 +1469,21 @@ icon_height = y2 - y1; icon_rect = nautilus_icon_canvas_item_get_icon_rectangle (icon->item); + + if (should_snap) { + baseline = y + (icon_rect.y1 - icon_rect.y0); + baseline = SNAP_CEIL_VERTICAL (baseline); + y = baseline - (icon_rect.y1 - icon_rect.y0); + } /* Check and see if we need to move to a new column */ if (y != DESKTOP_PAD_VERTICAL && y > height - icon_height) { - x += max_width + DESKTOP_PAD_HORIZONTAL; + x += column_width + DESKTOP_PAD_HORIZONTAL; break; } icon_set_position (icon, - x + max_width / 2 - (icon_rect.x1 - icon_rect.x0) / 2, + center_x - (icon_rect.x1 - icon_rect.x0) / 2, y); y += icon_height + DESKTOP_PAD_VERTICAL; @@ -1493,6 +1699,7 @@ int x, int y, double scale_x, double scale_y, gboolean raise, + gboolean snap, gboolean update_position) { NautilusIconContainerDetails *details; @@ -1507,13 +1714,6 @@ end_renaming_mode (container, TRUE); } - if (!details->auto_layout) { - if (x != icon->x || y != icon->y) { - icon_set_position (icon, x, y); - emit_signal = update_position; - } - } - if (scale_x != icon->scale_x || scale_y != icon->scale_y) { icon->scale_x = scale_x; icon->scale_y = scale_y; @@ -1522,7 +1722,17 @@ redo_layout (container); emit_signal = TRUE; } + } + + if (!details->auto_layout) { + if (details->keep_aligned && snap) { + snap_position (container, icon, &x, &y); + } + if (x != icon->x || y != icon->y) { + icon_set_position (icon, x, y); + emit_signal = update_position; + } } if (emit_signal) { @@ -2598,6 +2808,12 @@ g_source_remove (container->details->stretch_idle_id); container->details->stretch_idle_id = 0; } + + if (container->details->align_idle_id != 0) { + g_source_remove (container->details->align_idle_id); + container->details->align_idle_id = 0; + } + nautilus_icon_container_flush_typeselect_state (container); @@ -2985,7 +3201,7 @@ &world_x, &world_y); icon_set_position (icon, world_x, world_y); - icon_set_size (container, icon, stretch_state.icon_size, FALSE); + icon_set_size (container, icon, stretch_state.icon_size, FALSE, FALSE); container->details->stretch_idle_id = 0; @@ -3062,6 +3278,7 @@ icon_set_size (container, stretched_icon, container->details->stretch_initial_size, + TRUE, TRUE); container->details->stretch_icon = NULL; @@ -5113,7 +5330,7 @@ nautilus_icon_container_move_icon (container, icon, icon->x, icon->y, 1.0, 1.0, - FALSE, TRUE); + FALSE, TRUE, TRUE); } } } @@ -5251,6 +5468,57 @@ } } +gboolean +nautilus_icon_container_is_keep_aligned (NautilusIconContainer *container) +{ + return container->details->keep_aligned; +} + +static gboolean +align_icons_callback (gpointer callback_data) +{ + NautilusIconContainer *container; + + container = NAUTILUS_ICON_CONTAINER (callback_data); + align_icons (container); + container->details->align_idle_id = 0; + + return FALSE; +} + +static void +unschedule_align_icons (NautilusIconContainer *container) +{ + if (container->details->align_idle_id != 0) { + g_source_remove (container->details->align_idle_id); + container->details->align_idle_id = 0; + } +} + +static void +schedule_align_icons (NautilusIconContainer *container) +{ + if (container->details->align_idle_id == 0 + && container->details->has_been_allocated) { + container->details->align_idle_id = g_idle_add + (align_icons_callback, container); + } +} + +void +nautilus_icon_container_set_keep_aligned (NautilusIconContainer *container, + gboolean keep_aligned) +{ + if (container->details->keep_aligned != keep_aligned) { + container->details->keep_aligned = keep_aligned; + + if (keep_aligned && !container->details->auto_layout) { + schedule_align_icons (container); + } else { + unschedule_align_icons (container); + } + } +} void nautilus_icon_container_set_layout_mode (NautilusIconContainer *container, Index: libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-container.h =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-container.h,v retrieving revision 1.78 diff -u -r1.78 nautilus-icon-container.h --- libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-container.h 7 Apr 2003 11:56:03 -0000 1.78 +++ libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-container.h 3 May 2003 23:21:42 -0000 @@ -205,6 +205,10 @@ gboolean nautilus_icon_container_is_tighter_layout (NautilusIconContainer *container); void nautilus_icon_container_set_tighter_layout (NautilusIconContainer *container, gboolean tighter_layout); + +gboolean nautilus_icon_container_is_keep_aligned (NautilusIconContainer *container); +void nautilus_icon_container_set_keep_aligned (NautilusIconContainer *container, + gboolean keep_aligned); void nautilus_icon_container_set_layout_mode (NautilusIconContainer *container, NautilusIconLayoutMode mode); void nautilus_icon_container_sort (NautilusIconContainer *container); Index: libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-dnd.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-dnd.c,v retrieving revision 1.130 diff -u -r1.130 nautilus-icon-dnd.c --- libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-dnd.c 23 Apr 2003 09:49:47 -0000 1.130 +++ libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-dnd.c 3 May 2003 23:21:43 -0000 @@ -811,7 +811,7 @@ (container, icon, world_x + item->icon_x, world_y + item->icon_y, icon->scale_x, icon->scale_y, - TRUE, TRUE); + TRUE, TRUE, TRUE); } moved_icons = g_list_prepend (moved_icons, icon); } Index: libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-private.h =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-private.h,v retrieving revision 1.71 diff -u -r1.71 nautilus-icon-private.h --- libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-private.h 27 Mar 2003 12:53:07 -0000 1.71 +++ libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-private.h 3 May 2003 23:21:43 -0000 @@ -177,6 +177,9 @@ /* Idle handler for stretch code */ guint stretch_idle_id; + /* Align idle id */ + guint align_idle_id; + /* DnD info. */ NautilusIconDndInfo *dnd_info; @@ -215,7 +218,10 @@ /* Layout mode */ NautilusIconLayoutMode layout_mode; - /* Set to TRUE after first allocation has been done */ + /* Should the container keep icons aligned to a grid */ + gboolean keep_aligned; + + /* Set to TRUE after first allocation has been done */ gboolean has_been_allocated; /* Is the container fixed or resizable */ @@ -252,6 +258,7 @@ double scale_x, double scale_y, gboolean raise, + gboolean snap, gboolean update_position); void nautilus_icon_container_select_list_unselect_others (NautilusIconContainer *container, GList *icons); Index: libnautilus-private/nautilus-metadata.h =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/libnautilus-private/nautilus-metadata.h,v retrieving revision 1.25 diff -u -r1.25 nautilus-metadata.h --- libnautilus-private/nautilus-metadata.h 19 Dec 2002 19:56:36 -0000 1.25 +++ libnautilus-private/nautilus-metadata.h 3 May 2003 23:21:43 -0000 @@ -53,6 +53,7 @@ #define NAUTILUS_METADATA_KEY_ICON_VIEW_TIGHTER_LAYOUT "icon_view_tighter_layout" #define NAUTILUS_METADATA_KEY_ICON_VIEW_SORT_BY "icon_view_sort_by" #define NAUTILUS_METADATA_KEY_ICON_VIEW_SORT_REVERSED "icon_view_sort_reversed" +#define NAUTILUS_METADATA_KEY_ICON_VIEW_KEEP_ALIGNED "icon_view_keep_aligned" #define NAUTILUS_METADATA_KEY_LIST_VIEW_ZOOM_LEVEL "list_view_zoom_level" #define NAUTILUS_METADATA_KEY_LIST_VIEW_SORT_COLUMN "list_view_sort_column" Index: src/file-manager/fm-desktop-icon-view.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/file-manager/fm-desktop-icon-view.c,v retrieving revision 1.202 diff -u -r1.202 fm-desktop-icon-view.c --- src/file-manager/fm-desktop-icon-view.c 23 Apr 2003 10:49:38 -0000 1.202 +++ src/file-manager/fm-desktop-icon-view.c 3 May 2003 23:21:43 -0000 @@ -121,6 +121,7 @@ FMDesktopIconView *icon_view); static void update_desktop_directory (UpdateType type); static gboolean real_supports_auto_layout (FMIconView *view); +static gboolean real_supports_keep_aligned (FMIconView *view); static void real_merge_menus (FMDirectoryView *view); static void real_update_menus (FMDirectoryView *view); static gboolean real_supports_zooming (FMDirectoryView *view); @@ -300,6 +301,7 @@ FM_DIRECTORY_VIEW_CLASS (class)->supports_zooming = real_supports_zooming; FM_ICON_VIEW_CLASS (class)->supports_auto_layout = real_supports_auto_layout; + FM_ICON_VIEW_CLASS (class)->supports_keep_aligned = real_supports_keep_aligned; } static void @@ -1470,6 +1472,12 @@ * fixed-size window. */ return FALSE; +} + +static gboolean +real_supports_keep_aligned (FMIconView *view) +{ + return TRUE; } static gboolean Index: src/file-manager/fm-icon-view.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/file-manager/fm-icon-view.c,v retrieving revision 1.278 diff -u -r1.278 fm-icon-view.c --- src/file-manager/fm-icon-view.c 7 Apr 2003 11:56:04 -0000 1.278 +++ src/file-manager/fm-icon-view.c 3 May 2003 23:21:43 -0000 @@ -98,10 +98,12 @@ #define COMMAND_TIGHTER_LAYOUT "/commands/Tighter Layout" #define COMMAND_SORT_REVERSED "/commands/Reversed Order" #define COMMAND_CLEAN_UP "/commands/Clean Up" +#define COMMAND_KEEP_ALIGNED "/commands/Keep Aligned" #define ID_MANUAL_LAYOUT "Manual Layout" #define ID_TIGHTER_LAYOUT "Tighter Layout" #define ID_SORT_REVERSED "Reversed Order" +#define ID_KEEP_ALIGNED "Keep Aligned" typedef struct { NautilusFileSortType sort_type; @@ -578,6 +580,16 @@ supports_auto_layout, (view)); } +static gboolean +fm_icon_view_supports_keep_aligned (FMIconView *view) +{ + g_return_val_if_fail (FM_IS_ICON_VIEW (view), FALSE); + + return EEL_CALL_METHOD_WITH_RETURN_VALUE + (FM_ICON_VIEW_CLASS, view, + supports_keep_aligned, (view)); +} + static void update_layout_menus (FMIconView *view) { @@ -617,6 +629,18 @@ nautilus_bonobo_set_sensitive (view->details->ui, COMMAND_CLEAN_UP, !is_auto_layout); + + nautilus_bonobo_set_hidden (view->details->ui, + COMMAND_KEEP_ALIGNED, + !fm_icon_view_supports_keep_aligned (view)); + + nautilus_bonobo_set_toggle_state + (view->details->ui, COMMAND_KEEP_ALIGNED, + nautilus_icon_container_is_keep_aligned (get_icon_container (view))); + + nautilus_bonobo_set_sensitive + (view->details->ui, COMMAND_KEEP_ALIGNED, !is_auto_layout); + bonobo_ui_component_thaw (view->details->ui, NULL); } @@ -753,6 +777,41 @@ sort_reversed); } +static gboolean +get_default_directory_keep_aligned (void) +{ + return TRUE; +} + +static gboolean +fm_icon_view_get_directory_keep_aligned (FMIconView *icon_view, + NautilusFile *file) +{ + if (!fm_icon_view_supports_keep_aligned (icon_view)) { + return FALSE; + } + + return nautilus_file_get_boolean_metadata + (file, + NAUTILUS_METADATA_KEY_ICON_VIEW_KEEP_ALIGNED, + get_default_directory_keep_aligned ()); +} + +static void +fm_icon_view_set_directory_keep_aligned (FMIconView *icon_view, + NautilusFile *file, + gboolean keep_aligned) +{ + if (!fm_icon_view_supports_keep_aligned (icon_view)) { + return; + } + + nautilus_file_set_boolean_metadata + (file, NAUTILUS_METADATA_KEY_ICON_VIEW_KEEP_ALIGNED, + get_default_directory_keep_aligned (), + keep_aligned); +} + /* maintainence of auto layout boolean */ static gboolean default_directory_manual_layout = FALSE; @@ -880,6 +939,14 @@ } static gboolean +real_supports_keep_aligned (FMIconView *view) +{ + g_return_val_if_fail (FM_IS_ICON_VIEW (view), FALSE); + + return FALSE; +} + +static gboolean set_sort_reversed (FMIconView *icon_view, gboolean new_value) { if (icon_view->details->sort_reversed == new_value) { @@ -1005,6 +1072,9 @@ /* Set the sort direction from the metadata. */ set_sort_reversed (icon_view, fm_icon_view_get_directory_sort_reversed (icon_view, file)); + nautilus_icon_container_set_keep_aligned + (get_icon_container (icon_view), + fm_icon_view_get_directory_keep_aligned (icon_view, file)); nautilus_icon_container_set_tighter_layout (get_icon_container (icon_view), fm_icon_view_get_directory_tighter_layout (icon_view, file)); @@ -1287,6 +1357,37 @@ } static void +keep_aligned_state_changed_callback (BonoboUIComponent *component, + const char *path, + Bonobo_UIComponent_EventType type, + const char *state, + gpointer user_data) +{ + FMIconView *icon_view; + NautilusFile *file; + gboolean keep_aligned; + + g_assert (strcmp (path, ID_KEEP_ALIGNED) == 0); + + icon_view = FM_ICON_VIEW (user_data); + + if (strcmp (state, "") == 0) { + /* State goes blank when component is removed; ignore this. */ + return; + } + + keep_aligned = strcmp (state, "1") == 0 ? TRUE : FALSE; + + file = fm_directory_view_get_directory_as_file (FM_DIRECTORY_VIEW (icon_view)); + fm_icon_view_set_directory_keep_aligned (icon_view, + file, + keep_aligned); + + nautilus_icon_container_set_keep_aligned (get_icon_container (icon_view), + keep_aligned); +} + +static void switch_to_manual_layout (FMIconView *icon_view) { if (!fm_icon_view_using_auto_layout (icon_view)) { @@ -1393,6 +1494,7 @@ bonobo_ui_component_add_listener (icon_view->details->ui, ID_TIGHTER_LAYOUT, tighter_layout_state_changed_callback, view); bonobo_ui_component_add_listener (icon_view->details->ui, ID_SORT_REVERSED, sort_reversed_state_changed_callback, view); + bonobo_ui_component_add_listener (icon_view->details->ui, ID_KEEP_ALIGNED, keep_aligned_state_changed_callback, view); icon_view->details->menus_ready = TRUE; bonobo_ui_component_freeze (icon_view->details->ui, NULL); @@ -1472,6 +1574,8 @@ set_sort_criterion (icon_view, get_sort_criterion_by_sort_type (get_default_sort_order ())); set_sort_reversed (icon_view, get_default_sort_in_reverse_order ()); + nautilus_icon_container_set_keep_aligned + (icon_container, get_default_directory_keep_aligned ()); nautilus_icon_container_set_tighter_layout (icon_container, get_default_directory_tighter_layout ()); @@ -2520,6 +2624,7 @@ klass->clean_up = fm_icon_view_real_clean_up; klass->supports_auto_layout = real_supports_auto_layout; + klass->supports_keep_aligned = real_supports_keep_aligned; klass->get_directory_auto_layout = fm_icon_view_real_get_directory_auto_layout; klass->get_directory_sort_by = fm_icon_view_real_get_directory_sort_by; klass->get_directory_sort_reversed = fm_icon_view_real_get_directory_sort_reversed; Index: src/file-manager/fm-icon-view.h =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/file-manager/fm-icon-view.h,v retrieving revision 1.12 diff -u -r1.12 fm-icon-view.h --- src/file-manager/fm-icon-view.h 4 Feb 2003 10:36:21 -0000 1.12 +++ src/file-manager/fm-icon-view.h 3 May 2003 23:21:43 -0000 @@ -84,6 +84,12 @@ */ gboolean (* supports_auto_layout) (FMIconView *view); + /* supports_auto_layout is a function pointer that subclasses may + * override to control whether snap-to-grid mode + * should be enabled. The default implementation returns FALSE. + */ + gboolean (* supports_keep_aligned) (FMIconView *view); + }; /* GObject support */ Index: src/file-manager/nautilus-icon-view-ui.xml =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/file-manager/nautilus-icon-view-ui.xml,v retrieving revision 1.23 diff -u -r1.23 nautilus-icon-view-ui.xml --- src/file-manager/nautilus-icon-view-ui.xml 5 Jul 2002 20:37:24 -0000 1.23 +++ src/file-manager/nautilus-icon-view-ui.xml 3 May 2003 23:21:44 -0000 @@ -24,6 +24,9 @@ + @@ -78,6 +81,9 @@ + @@ -108,6 +114,7 @@ id="Sort by Emblems"/> + @@ -115,7 +122,11 @@ id="Reversed Order" type="toggle"/> + + --=-fhTMBUq7Jqc6WHuXV2d3-- From aliakc@web.de Sat May 3 20:03:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp02.web.de [217.72.192.151]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DB5518106 for ; Sat, 3 May 2003 20:03:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [80.130.15.131] (helo=p50820F83.dip.t-dialin.net) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.97 #53) id 19C6yt-0000un-00 for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Sun, 04 May 2003 02:03:52 +0200 Subject: Re: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus From: Ali Akcaagac To: nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1052004305.6747.97.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> References: <1052004305.6747.97.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1052006608.27404.1.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 04 May 2003 02:03:28 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sun, 2003-05-04 at 01:25, Dave Camp wrote: > I just checked in the following patch to add a Keep Aligned mode to the > desktop in nautilus. When you switch to this mode, existing icons will > snap to a grid. While in this mode, dropped icons will snap to grid > locations automatically. I'd like people to build it and give it a > whirl. Wow, this was a pretty long requested feature. I haven't tested it yet but I wanted to thank you for taking the time creating it. Greets, Ali Akcaagac From jdub@perkypants.org Sun May 4 00:18:56 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-04.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.36]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 54A9D18162 for ; Sun, 4 May 2003 00:18:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14264 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 04:18:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO home.perkypants.org) (203.217.69.112) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 4 May 2003 04:18:49 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by home.perkypants.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 161AA8C0EE for ; Sun, 4 May 2003 14:18:52 +1000 (EST) Received: from home.perkypants.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (katia [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02426-02 for ; Sun, 4 May 2003 14:18:51 +1000 (EST) Received: from lazarus.home (lazarus.home [192.168.10.10]) by home.perkypants.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A89FA8C0ED for ; Sun, 4 May 2003 14:18:51 +1000 (EST) Received: by lazarus.home (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B60FE12B6A8; Sun, 4 May 2003 14:18:48 +1000 (EST) Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 14:18:48 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus Message-ID: <20030504041848.GF2836@lazarus> Mail-Followup-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org References: <1052004305.6747.97.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1052004305.6747.97.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Reply-By: Wed May 7 14:15:12 EST 2003 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Operating-System: Linux 2.4.21-rc1 i686 X-Uptime: 14:15:12 up 20:38, 4 users, load average: 0.30, 0.09, 0.03 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030314-p1 (Debian) Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > * Aligned mode is on by default. > > * The grid is about half the size of a normal icon space in a normal icon > view. This allows more freedom when placing icons, but means that icons > won't always be in a strict grid. (This is basically the same as the old Mac OS staggered mode, which is really cool. Much better use of space.) > * Clean up by Name places icons on the grid whether you're in aligned mode > or not. The end result is a nicer-looking clean up than before, but it is > less compact. I guarantee the next round of requests will be for "clean up without sorting"... ;-) > If you have compact layout turned on and aligned mode turned off, you'll > get the old behavior (in keeping with the "compact mode is small and ugly" > philosophy). I find that using non-compact mode wastes a heck of a lot of space. Why do you say compact mode is "small and ugly"? Could a compromise be found so we can remove these mostly silly modes? Thanks heaps for doing this, I've been using your testing patch from a few days ago, and it works really well. Can't wait for your 2.3 release. :-) - Jeff -- GU4DEC: June 16th-18th in Dublin, Ireland http://www.guadec.org/ Markets are what you sell bubbly health drinks, fluorescent blow up furniture and mobile phone ring melodies to. From gavrilus@tiscalinet.it Sun May 4 05:32:48 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from alfa.fastwebnet.it (unknown [213.140.2.42]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00311180EE for ; Sun, 4 May 2003 05:32:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [23.15.109.75] (23.15.109.75) by alfa.fastwebnet.it (6.7.016) id 3EAF5CEF00064E3E for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Sun, 4 May 2003 11:32:46 +0200 Subject: Re: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus From: Gavrila To: Nautilus List In-Reply-To: <20030504041848.GF2836@lazarus> References: <1052004305.6747.97.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> <20030504041848.GF2836@lazarus> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1052040766.523.0.camel@Kreuzberg> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.4 Date: 04 May 2003 11:32:46 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: How can I apply the patch? -- Gavrila Linux Registered User Linux Registered Machine Powered by Debian[SiD] From rees@netnam.vn Sun May 4 11:55:02 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from ns3.netnam.vn (unknown [203.162.7.80]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C7F618184 for ; Sun, 4 May 2003 11:55:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netnam.vn (ci75_254.netnam.vn [203.162.75.254] (may be forged)) by ns3.netnam.vn (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h44Fv8p26453; Sun, 4 May 2003 22:57:28 +0700 Message-ID: <3EB537F7.7090908@netnam.vn> Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 22:55:35 +0700 From: Darryl Rees User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gavrila Cc: Nautilus List Subject: Re: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus References: <1052004305.6747.97.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> <20030504041848.GF2836@lazarus> <1052040766.523.0.camel@Kreuzberg> In-Reply-To: <1052040766.523.0.camel@Kreuzberg> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Gavrila wrote: >How can I apply the patch? > > Build from CVS HEAD. The patch is already in there... Darryl. From ben@xsusio.com Sun May 4 12:16:02 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from ms-smtp-01.texas.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.texas.rr.com [24.93.36.229]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82EFA185FA for ; Sun, 4 May 2003 12:16:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xsusio.com (cs24162123-191.hot.rr.com [24.162.123.191]) by ms-smtp-01.texas.rr.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h44GG08b020670; Sun, 4 May 2003 11:16:01 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3EB53CC0.1060604@xsusio.com> Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 11:16:00 -0500 From: Ben Davis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030317 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Cc: Dave Camp Subject: Re: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus References: <1052004305.6747.97.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> In-Reply-To: <1052004305.6747.97.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is definately a long-awaited fix.. I can't beleive it's actually taken this long for something to happen :-). Before things become too concrete, here is my opinion on how things should be implemented: When you right click the desktop, instead of "clean up by name" how about simply "arrange icons" In a nautilus preferences menu there should be these options for arranging icons: * Auto arrange icons (snap-to-grid) [y/n] * Icon spacing [ pixel value, slidebar ] * sort by [type, name, etc] * do not show "Home" icon [y/n] * do not show "Trash" icon [y/n] * allow user to specify "fixed" icons, for instance, "home" icon stays at (x,x) position, "trash" icon stays at (x,x) position, "Documents icon stays at (x,x) position" I realize that GNOME has the tendancy to include as little customization options as possible. While this is a good approch, I think there are ways you can have a clean look without sacrificing options. What we need is to have multi-level preferences, at the least, a standard and advanced set of prefs, where the advanced preferences are initially hidden from the user. An even more advanced user should be given the option to tweak config files for all of those off-the-wall preferences. Using a layered approach to user preferences is a great way to cater to both novice and advanced computer users. If you cater only to novice users, then you lose the advanced ones to competition... That said, GNOME is doing a marvelous job, and it has unlimited potential. If done right, it could really help to entice computer users to start using open software for every-day computing. From dave@ximian.com Sun May 4 12:23:47 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [141.154.95.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21AC618588 for ; Sun, 4 May 2003 12:23:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 23438 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 16:23:43 -0000 Received: from dmz.ximian.com (HELO squee.boston.ximian.com) (141.154.95.1) by peabody.ximian.com with RC4-MD5 encrypted SMTP; 4 May 2003 16:23:43 -0000 Subject: Re: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus From: Dave Camp To: Jeff Waugh Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20030504041848.GF2836@lazarus> References: <1052004305.6747.97.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> <20030504041848.GF2836@lazarus> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Ximian, Inc. Message-Id: <1052065488.21798.126.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.2.99 (Preview Release) Date: 04 May 2003 12:24:48 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sun, 2003-05-04 at 00:18, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > * Clean up by Name places icons on the grid whether you're in aligned mode > > or not. The end result is a nicer-looking clean up than before, but it is > > less compact. > > I guarantee the next round of requests will be for "clean up without > sorting"... ;-) What do you mean exactly? Clean Up like the current Clean Up By Name, that puts everything in rows? Or something that snaps a non-gridded desktop to a grid? > > If you have compact layout turned on and aligned mode turned off, you'll > > get the old behavior (in keeping with the "compact mode is small and ugly" > > philosophy). > > I find that using non-compact mode wastes a heck of a lot of space. Why do > you say compact mode is "small and ugly"? Could a compromise be found so we > can remove these mostly silly modes? It might be possible to do something. The current width of a column in non-compact mode is 155 pixels. The max text width is 135, the max icon width is 96. As an experiment I dropped the max text width to 96, and the max column width to 116. This was still a nice grid (on a directory with some thumbnails and stuff). There are two problems with doing this: First, it's more likely that emblem attachments will make an icon too big to fit in a column. Since the max icon size is 96 (this usually happens with thumbnails), if you add emblems that don't fit all the way inside the icon you get too big for the column and you have to relayout. It might be possible to fix this by not taking emblems into account when doing layout. Second, the smaller the text gets horizontally, the larger it will get vertically. Changing that pixel size caused a few of my normal icons to wrap. Maybe it's worth it though. From dave@ximian.com Sun May 4 12:31:12 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [141.154.95.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDA07185E7 for ; Sun, 4 May 2003 12:31:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 23670 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 16:31:12 -0000 Received: from dmz.ximian.com (HELO squee.boston.ximian.com) (141.154.95.1) by peabody.ximian.com with RC4-MD5 encrypted SMTP; 4 May 2003 16:31:12 -0000 Subject: Re: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus From: Dave Camp To: Ben Davis Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <3EB53CC0.1060604@xsusio.com> References: <1052004305.6747.97.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> <3EB53CC0.1060604@xsusio.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Ximian, Inc. Message-Id: <1052065937.21798.133.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.2.99 (Preview Release) Date: 04 May 2003 12:32:17 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sun, 2003-05-04 at 12:16, Ben Davis wrote: > This is definately a long-awaited fix.. I can't beleive it's actually > taken this long for something to happen :-). > Before things become too concrete, here is my opinion on how things > should be implemented: > > When you right click the desktop, instead of "clean up by name" how > about simply "arrange icons" I'd like the usability people to comment on specific string changes. > In a nautilus preferences menu there should be these options for > arranging icons: > * Auto arrange icons (snap-to-grid) [y/n] I don't know if this needs to be a pref in the dialog, it's in the context menu for the desktop, and (for right now) it only affects the desktop. > * Icon spacing [ pixel value, slidebar ] If people need to tweak their icon spacing, we're doing something wrong (see the response I sent to jeff) > * sort by [type, name, etc] > * do not show "Home" icon [y/n] > * do not show "Trash" icon [y/n] I'm not sure how useful these would be to most people. > * allow user to specify "fixed" icons, for instance, "home" icon > stays at (x,x) position, > "trash" icon stays at (x,x) position, "Documents icon stays at > (x,x) position" Getting a good ui for this sort of thing seems tough. I think it would be kinda neat to have a desktop layout mode that put special icons in special places, but I haven't thought much about the best way to do that. > > I realize that GNOME has the tendancy to include as little customization > options as possible. While this is a good approch, I think there are > ways you can have a clean look without sacrificing options. What we > need is to have multi-level preferences, at the least, a standard and > advanced set of prefs, where the advanced preferences are initially > hidden from the user. An even more advanced user should be given the > option to tweak config files for all of those off-the-wall preferences. > Using a layered approach to user preferences is a great way to cater to > both novice and advanced computer users. If you cater only to novice > users, then you lose the advanced ones to competition... > This has been discussed over and over, and I don't want to start another discussion of it here. > That said, GNOME is doing a marvelous job, and it has unlimited > potential. If done right, it could really help to entice computer users > to start using open software for every-day computing. Thanks :) -dave From jdub@perkypants.org Sun May 4 12:35:23 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-07.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.39]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AD644182C6 for ; Sun, 4 May 2003 12:35:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2122 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 16:35:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO home.perkypants.org) (203.217.69.112) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 4 May 2003 16:35:12 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by home.perkypants.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22A308C0EE for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 02:35:10 +1000 (EST) Received: from home.perkypants.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (katia [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12190-04 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 02:35:09 +1000 (EST) Received: from lazarus.home (lazarus.home [192.168.10.10]) by home.perkypants.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B99868C0ED for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 02:35:09 +1000 (EST) Received: by lazarus.home (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DADE812B6A9; Mon, 5 May 2003 02:35:06 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 02:35:06 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus Message-ID: <20030504163506.GC2836@lazarus> Mail-Followup-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org References: <1052004305.6747.97.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> <20030504041848.GF2836@lazarus> <1052065488.21798.126.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1052065488.21798.126.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Reply-By: Thu May 8 02:31:55 EST 2003 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.4.21-rc1 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 02:31:55 up 1 day, 8:55, 3 users, load average: 1.56, 1.71, 1.02 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030314-p1 (Debian) Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > > I guarantee the next round of requests will be for "clean up without > > sorting"... ;-) > > What do you mean exactly? Clean Up like the current Clean Up By Name, > that puts everything in rows? Or something that snaps a non-gridded > desktop to a grid? The latter. > > I find that using non-compact mode wastes a heck of a lot of space. Why do > > you say compact mode is "small and ugly"? Could a compromise be found so we > > can remove these mostly silly modes? > > It might be possible to do something. > It might be possible to fix this by not taking emblems into > account when doing layout. That would probably not suck... Good idea. > Second, the smaller the text gets horizontally, the larger it will get > vertically. Changing that pixel size caused a few of my normal icons to > wrap. Maybe it's worth it though. In compact mode, almost all of my icon labels wrap, so it wouldn't bother me. ;-) Is that one of the things you think is ugly? - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2004: Adelaide, Australia http://lca2004.linux.org.au/ "One World, one Web, one Browser." - Microsoft promotion "Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fuhrer." - Adolf Hitler From menthos@gnome.org Sun May 4 12:40:52 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.g.bonet.se (mail.g.bonet.se [212.181.52.4]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37302180E3 for ; Sun, 4 May 2003 12:40:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from as2-4-1.for.hs.bonet.se (as2-4-1.for.hs.bonet.se [194.236.236.153]) by mail.g.bonet.se (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h44GeVxb028132; Sun, 4 May 2003 18:40:33 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from menthos@gnome.org) Subject: Re: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus From: Christian Rose To: Ben Davis Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <3EB53CC0.1060604@xsusio.com> References: <1052004305.6747.97.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> <3EB53CC0.1060604@xsusio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Organization: Message-Id: <1052066453.14991.135.camel@stina.menthos.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-5) Date: 04 May 2003 18:40:53 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: sön 2003-05-04 klockan 18.16 skrev Ben Davis: > > I realize that GNOME has the tendancy to include as little customization > options as possible. While this is a good approch, I think there are > ways you can have a clean look without sacrificing options. What we > need is to have multi-level preferences, at the least, a standard and > advanced set of prefs, where the advanced preferences are initially > hidden from the user. This is from what I can see basically a "user level" approach that you are suggesting. In fact, Nautilus had user levels at one time in the past, with more "advanced" preferences and behavior in the higher user levels. This approach turned out to have its own share of problems though, and you can find all the gory details in the archives of this and other lists (the usability one for example). It's a topic that has been brought up and explained countless times. Basically many users didn't understand how the choice of user levels affected the application, or even that it affected the application, or that the choice could be altered later. Also, many people tend to classify themselves wrongly (i.e. more or less of an expert than they really are) and some even are intimitated by having to classify themselves. So user levels caused possibly even greater problems than they were intended to solve, and were in the end also removed. > An even more advanced user should be given the > option to tweak config files for all of those off-the-wall preferences. GNOME already has that, with the choice of configuring documented gconf settings for more or less exotic behavior in many cases. > That said, GNOME is doing a marvelous job, and it has unlimited > potential. If done right, it could really help to entice computer users > to start using open software for every-day computing. :-) Christian From dave@ximian.com Sun May 4 12:54:15 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [141.154.95.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B999180E3 for ; Sun, 4 May 2003 12:54:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 24721 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 16:54:15 -0000 Received: from dmz.ximian.com (HELO squee.boston.ximian.com) (141.154.95.1) by peabody.ximian.com with RC4-MD5 encrypted SMTP; 4 May 2003 16:54:15 -0000 Subject: Re: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus From: Dave Camp To: Jeff Waugh Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20030504163506.GC2836@lazarus> References: <1052004305.6747.97.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> <20030504041848.GF2836@lazarus> <1052065488.21798.126.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> <20030504163506.GC2836@lazarus> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Ximian, Inc. Message-Id: <1052067319.21798.137.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.2.99 (Preview Release) Date: 04 May 2003 12:55:20 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sun, 2003-05-04 at 12:35, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > > I guarantee the next round of requests will be for "clean up without > > > sorting"... ;-) > > > > What do you mean exactly? Clean Up like the current Clean Up By Name, > > that puts everything in rows? Or something that snaps a non-gridded > > desktop to a grid? > > The latter. Switching to Keep Aligned mode should do this (although it's not perfect yet). > > Second, the smaller the text gets horizontally, the larger it will get > > vertically. Changing that pixel size caused a few of my normal icons to > > wrap. Maybe it's worth it though. > > In compact mode, almost all of my icon labels wrap, so it wouldn't bother > me. ;-) Is that one of the things you think is ugly? Yeah :). http://primates.ximian.com/~dave/screenshots/Screenshot-NautilusTighter.png shows the icon container with these changes. -dave From jdub@perkypants.org Sun May 4 13:00:19 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-05.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.37]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CC04E180E3 for ; Sun, 4 May 2003 13:00:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15510 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 17:00:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO home.perkypants.org) (203.217.69.112) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 4 May 2003 17:00:14 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by home.perkypants.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 554548C0EE for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 03:00:13 +1000 (EST) Received: from home.perkypants.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (katia [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25661-05 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 03:00:13 +1000 (EST) Received: from lazarus.home (lazarus.home [192.168.10.10]) by home.perkypants.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDA558C0ED for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 03:00:12 +1000 (EST) Received: by lazarus.home (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1D80C12B6A9; Mon, 5 May 2003 03:00:10 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 03:00:10 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus Message-ID: <20030504170010.GF2836@lazarus> Mail-Followup-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org References: <1052004305.6747.97.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> <20030504041848.GF2836@lazarus> <1052065488.21798.126.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> <20030504163506.GC2836@lazarus> <1052067319.21798.137.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1052067319.21798.137.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Reply-By: Thu May 8 02:58:19 EST 2003 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.4.21-rc1 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 02:58:19 up 1 day, 9:21, 4 users, load average: 0.26, 0.18, 0.30 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030314-p1 (Debian) Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > > > > I guarantee the next round of requests will be for "clean up without > > > > sorting"... ;-) > > > > > > What do you mean exactly? Clean Up like the current Clean Up By Name, > > > that puts everything in rows? Or something that snaps a non-gridded > > > desktop to a grid? > > > > The latter. > > Switching to Keep Aligned mode should do this (although it's not perfect > yet). But as an action, rather than as a... er... reaction. ;-) ie. "clean up", rather than "clean up by name" (which also sorts), as a menu action, not as something that happens when you move files around. > > In compact mode, almost all of my icon labels wrap, so it wouldn't bother > > me. ;-) Is that one of the things you think is ugly? > > Yeah :). > > http://primates.ximian.com/~dave/screenshots/Screenshot-NautilusTighter.png shows the icon container with these changes. Looks cool, and tempting for a compact mode crackhead like me. :-) - Jeff -- GU4DEC: June 16th-18th in Dublin, Ireland http://www.guadec.org/ "Everything I knew about TCP/IP I had downloaded the same day I started hacking the net code." - Alan Cox From rees@netnam.vn Sun May 4 13:38:50 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from ns3.netnam.vn (unknown [203.162.7.80]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2E3F181B8 for ; Sun, 4 May 2003 13:38:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netnam.vn (ci75_26.netnam.vn [203.162.75.26] (may be forged)) by ns3.netnam.vn (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h44HfAp28575; Mon, 5 May 2003 00:41:11 +0700 Message-ID: <3EB5502E.3040503@netnam.vn> Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 00:38:54 +0700 From: Darryl Rees User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Camp Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus References: <1052004305.6747.97.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> <20030504041848.GF2836@lazarus> <1052065488.21798.126.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> In-Reply-To: <1052065488.21798.126.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Dave Camp wrote: >Second, the smaller the text gets horizontally, the larger it will get >vertically. Changing that pixel size caused a few of my normal icons to >wrap. Maybe it's worth it though. > Praps it needs to resort to an ellipsis if it wraps to 10 lines or so... :-) Seriously, it looks bad when you have a stupidly long filename. Another thing you could do is use less 'nice' wrapping when the filename is extremely long (instead of trying to break on spaces and hyphens). Darryl. From rees@netnam.vn Sun May 4 13:47:39 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from ns3.netnam.vn (unknown [203.162.7.80]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2371E181B8 for ; Sun, 4 May 2003 13:47:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netnam.vn (ci75_203.netnam.vn [203.162.75.203] (may be forged)) by ns3.netnam.vn (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h44Ho5p28760 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 00:50:05 +0700 Message-ID: <3EB55245.1090700@netnam.vn> Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 00:47:49 +0700 From: Darryl Rees User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus References: <1052004305.6747.97.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> <20030504041848.GF2836@lazarus> <1052065488.21798.126.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> In-Reply-To: <1052065488.21798.126.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > > >First, it's more likely that emblem attachments will make an icon too >big to fit in a column. Since the max icon size is 96 (this usually >happens with thumbnails), if you add emblems that don't fit all the way >inside the icon you get too big for the column and you have to >relayout. It might be possible to fix this by not taking emblems into >account when doing layout. > > Thumbnails always look uncomfortably large wrt to standard icons to me (especially if they are thumbs for tall images). Darryl. From ben@xsusio.com Sun May 4 14:58:07 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from ms-smtp-02.texas.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.texas.rr.com [24.93.36.230]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E19841814F for ; Sun, 4 May 2003 14:58:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xsusio.com (cs24162123-191.hot.rr.com [24.162.123.191]) by ms-smtp-02.texas.rr.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h44Iw5nV023996; Sun, 4 May 2003 13:58:05 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3EB562BD.6040109@xsusio.com> Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 13:58:05 -0500 From: Ben Davis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030317 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Camp Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus References: <1052004305.6747.97.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> <3EB53CC0.1060604@xsusio.com> <1052065937.21798.133.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> In-Reply-To: <1052065937.21798.133.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > > >> * sort by [type, name, etc] >> * do not show "Home" icon [y/n] >> * do not show "Trash" icon [y/n] >> >> > >I'm not sure how useful these would be to most people. > > I've seen quite a few posts in other forums where people are wondering how they can remove the "home" and "trash" Icons, or possibly rename them.... Also I would love to be able to arrange my desktop icons by type rather than by name. Since icon appearance is determined by type, it's much easier to find one when they're sorted by type.. Are we ever going to have the ability to "clean up by ____" whether it be name, type, size, or whatever?? What about having a right-click option that says "Clean up by... " and have a sub-menu that lists all the options.. kind of like how windows does it (pls don't hurt me) :-) >> * allow user to specify "fixed" icons, for instance, "home" icon >>stays at (x,x) position, >> "trash" icon stays at (x,x) position, "Documents icon stays at >>(x,x) position" >> >> > >Getting a good ui for this sort of thing seems tough. I think it would >be kinda neat to have a desktop layout mode that put special icons in >special places, but I haven't thought much about the best way to do >that. > Actually, now that I think more about it, the best way to do this is to be able to right click an icon and check something that says "lock icon's position" so that if I do a clean up by name or type, it won't move that icon. What do you think about this? From aliakc@web.de Sun May 4 16:26:39 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp02.web.de [217.72.192.151]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DB9518360 for ; Sun, 4 May 2003 16:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [217.229.97.110] (helo=pD9E5616E.dip.t-dialin.net) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.97 #53) id 19CQ4C-0004sK-00 for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Sun, 04 May 2003 22:26:37 +0200 Subject: Re: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus From: Ali Akcaagac To: nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1052004305.6747.97.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> References: <1052004305.6747.97.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1052079973.5816.5.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 04 May 2003 22:26:13 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sun, 2003-05-04 at 01:25, Dave Camp wrote: > * The grid is about half the size of a normal icon space in a normal > icon view. This allows more freedom when placing icons, but means that > icons won't always be in a strict grid. Is it possible to increase the value a bit more ? The reason why I ask for this is because it often overlaps with horizontal Labels below the Icons. If I move the icons to the left leaving one complete Icon as space then the space is definately to much, but if I leave it the way it is then it sometimes overlap the Labels so it would be nice to have a better padding between the Icons. All in all this is a really nice improvement. greets, Ali Akcaagac From dunham@lambvindaloo.org Sat May 3 10:59:34 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from dunham.cse.msu.edu (wsip-24-234-141-99.lv.lv.cox.net [24.234.141.99]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F6D818168 for ; Sat, 3 May 2003 10:59:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.0.0.5] (notung.cse.msu.edu [10.0.0.5]) by dunham.cse.msu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94C21300BB for ; Sat, 3 May 2003 07:29:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: HOWTO: Postscript/PDF/xfig thumbnails without rebuilding nautilus From: Steve Dunham To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-wqhQXnIE5GYV9hrbVCWB" Organization: Message-Id: <1051973911.4681.27.camel@notung.cse.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.4 Date: 03 May 2003 07:58:31 -0700 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-wqhQXnIE5GYV9hrbVCWB Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Below is an example of how to add external thumbnailers via gconf entries. I searched google for a way to do pdf thumbnails in nautilus, but I only found patches for Nautilus itself. So I don't think this technique is widely known and thought someone else may find it useful. I used perl scripts, because nautilus passes URLs for the source filename, and I was too lazy to write shell code to decode them. Note that these are somewhat inefficient, being perl scripts, and they only work for local files. To install, place the scripts in /usr/lib/nautilus and then do: gconftool --install-schema-file ps-thumbnail.schema I believe you need to restart gconfd and nautilus afterwards. (This was done with gnome 2.2 on Debian.) Steve dunham@lambvindaloo.org --=-wqhQXnIE5GYV9hrbVCWB Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=ps-thumbnail.schemas Content-Type: text/plain; name=ps-thumbnail.schemas; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit /schemas/desktop/gnome/thumbnailers/application@pdf/enable /desktop/gnome/thumbnailers/application@pdf/enable ps-thumbnail bool true /schemas/desktop/gnome/thumbnailers/application@pdf/command /desktop/gnome/thumbnailers/application@pdf/command ps-thumbnail string /usr/lib/nautilus/mkpsthumb %u %o /schemas/desktop/gnome/thumbnailers/application@postscript/enable /desktop/gnome/thumbnailers/application@postscript/enable ps-thumbnail bool true /schemas/desktop/gnome/thumbnailers/application@postscript/command /desktop/gnome/thumbnailers/application@postscript/command ps-thumbnail string /usr/lib/nautilus/mkpsthumb %u %o /schemas/desktop/gnome/thumbnailers/image@x-xfig/enable /desktop/gnome/thumbnailers/image@x-xfig/enable ps-thumbnail bool true /schemas/desktop/gnome/thumbnailers/image@x-xfig/command /desktop/gnome/thumbnailers/image@x-xfig/command ps-thumbnail string /usr/lib/nautilus/mkfigthumb %u %o --=-wqhQXnIE5GYV9hrbVCWB Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=mkpsthumb Content-Type: text/x-perl; name=mkpsthumb; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit #!/usr/bin/perl use strict; use URI::URL; open STDOUT, ">/dev/null"; my $url = new URI::URL($ARGV[0]); system("gs", "-dNOPAUSE", "-dBATCH", "-dSAFER", "-sDEVICE=png256", "-sOutputFile=$ARGV[1]", "-dLastPage=1", $url->path); --=-wqhQXnIE5GYV9hrbVCWB Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=mkfigthumb Content-Type: text/x-perl; name=mkfigthumb; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit #!/usr/bin/perl use strict; use URI::URL; open STDOUT, ">/dev/null"; my $url = new URI::URL($ARGV[0]); system("fig2dev", "-L", "png", $url->path, "$ARGV[1]"); --=-wqhQXnIE5GYV9hrbVCWB-- From pah06@uow.edu.au Mon May 5 02:02:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from beru.its.uow.edu.au (beru.its.uow.edu.au [130.130.68.31]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32A3F181CE for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 02:02:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beru.its.uow.edu.au (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4562dkq027251 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 16:02:40 +1000 (EST) Received: from chac.its.uow.edu.au ([130.130.37.3]) by beru.its.uow.edu.au (MailMonitor for SMTP v1.2.2 ) ; Mon, 5 May 2003 16:02:37 +1000 (EST) Received: (from sendmail@localhost) by chac.its.uow.edu.au (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h4562aEt015704 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 16:02:36 +1000 (EST) Received: from 192.168.0.8 (ppp03-as53.uow.net.au[130.130.192.3]) by chac.its.uow.edu.au (UWSMTPD 1.1) with ESMTP id 3538554.15696; Monday, 05 May 2003 16:02:34 +1000 Subject: Re: HOWTO: Postscript/PDF/xfig thumbnails without rebuilding nautilus From: Peter Harvey To: nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1051973911.4681.27.camel@notung.cse.msu.edu> References: <1051973911.4681.27.camel@notung.cse.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: SITACS, University of Wollongong Message-Id: <1052114551.2138.3.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.3 Date: 05 May 2003 16:02:31 +1000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sun, 2003-05-04 at 00:58, Steve Dunham wrote: > Below is an example of how to add external thumbnailers via > gconf entries. I searched google for a way to do pdf thumbnails > in nautilus, but I only found patches for Nautilus itself. So > I don't think this technique is widely known and thought someone > else may find it useful. > > I used perl scripts, because nautilus passes URLs for the source > filename, and I was too lazy to write shell code to decode them. > > Note that these are somewhat inefficient, being perl scripts, > and they only work for local files. To install, place the > scripts in /usr/lib/nautilus and then do: > > gconftool --install-schema-file ps-thumbnail.schema > > I believe you need to restart gconfd and nautilus afterwards. > > (This was done with gnome 2.2 on Debian.) > > > Steve dunham@lambvindaloo.org Hi Steve, I've created some similar scripts for handling PDF, PS and Dia files in Nautilus. They're available at: http://www.dsl.uow.edu.au/~harvey/code/thumbnailer.tar.gz You can look at the files themselves at: http://www.dsl.uow.edu.au/~harvey/code/thumbnailer Looking at your mkpsthumb, I'd point out that -dLastPage=1 only works for PDF files. I found the best way to handle PostScript files was to redefine the PostScript \showpage command to say "output page, and quit". Also, extracting BoundingBox information can be a pain in the arse, but necessary for processing EPS files nicely. As for converting URLs to filenames - I agree. Nautilus is supposed to provide normal filenames if you use %i rather than %u in your schema, but last time I checked it was still proving URLs. You can look at my scripts for one way to extract a filename from the URL. Not sure which scripting system is faster for a simple task like this. I would think that Perl is safer to work in though. I had to go to some length to ensure I could handle all sorts of weird filenames. Speaking of which, don't rely on GhostScript to handle your filenames properly. I suggest using it as a filter because it can have all sorts of problems with filenames. I've never used xfig, but might add it to my collection of thumbnailers based on what you've written. See ya. (This was done with gnome 2.2 on Debian too. :) -- Peter Harvey SITACS, University of Wollongong From gemi@bluewin.ch Mon May 5 02:41:34 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from scriabin.tannenrauch.ch (dclient217-162-145-83.hispeed.ch [217.162.145.83]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E3C5183EC for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 02:41:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scriabin.tannenrauch.ch (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by scriabin.tannenrauch.ch (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h456fCqe032365 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 08:41:19 +0200 Received: (from gemi@localhost) by scriabin.tannenrauch.ch (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h456f4oM032361 for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Mon, 5 May 2003 08:41:04 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: scriabin.tannenrauch.ch: gemi set sender to gemi@bluewin.ch using -f Subject: Re: HOWTO: Postscript/PDF/xfig thumbnails without rebuilding nautilus From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=E9rard?= Milmeister To: nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1052114551.2138.3.camel@localhost> References: <1051973911.4681.27.camel@notung.cse.msu.edu> <1052114551.2138.3.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Organization: Universität Zürich Message-Id: <1052116864.32200.2.camel@scriabin.tannenrauch.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-5) Date: 05 May 2003 08:41:04 +0200 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Mon, 2003-05-05 at 08:02, Peter Harvey wrote: > On Sun, 2003-05-04 at 00:58, Steve Dunham wrote: > > Below is an example of how to add external thumbnailers via > > gconf entries. I searched google for a way to do pdf thumbnails > > in nautilus, but I only found patches for Nautilus itself. So > > I don't think this technique is widely known and thought someone > > else may find it useful. > >=20 > > I used perl scripts, because nautilus passes URLs for the source > > filename, and I was too lazy to write shell code to decode them. To add my two cents, I also had made something like this. I use ImageMagick to generate thumbnails: http://www.ifi.unizh.ch/staff/milmei/nautilus/ It works quite well here. Some pdf files however fail to get thumbnails generated. --=20 G=E9rard Milmeister Tannenrauchstrasse 35 8038 Z=FCrich gemi@bluewin.ch From pah06@uow.edu.au Mon May 5 02:55:28 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from beru.its.uow.edu.au (beru.its.uow.edu.au [130.130.68.31]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C392B181CE for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 02:55:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beru.its.uow.edu.au (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h456tPkq007289 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 16:55:25 +1000 (EST) Received: from inti.its.uow.edu.au ([130.130.37.4]) by beru.its.uow.edu.au (MailMonitor for SMTP v1.2.2 ) ; Mon, 5 May 2003 16:55:24 +1000 (EST) Received: (from sendmail@localhost) by inti.its.uow.edu.au (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h456tOtA000205 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 16:55:24 +1000 (EST) Received: from 192.168.0.8 (ppp03-as53.uow.net.au[130.130.192.3]) by inti.its.uow.edu.au (UWSMTPD 1.1) with ESMTP id 3541721.170; Monday, 05 May 2003 16:55:21 +1000 Subject: Re: HOWTO: Postscript/PDF/xfig thumbnails without rebuilding nautilus From: Peter Harvey To: Nautilus List In-Reply-To: <1052116864.32200.2.camel@scriabin.tannenrauch.ch> References: <1051973911.4681.27.camel@notung.cse.msu.edu> <1052114551.2138.3.camel@localhost> <1052116864.32200.2.camel@scriabin.tannenrauch.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Organization: SITACS, University of Wollongong Message-Id: <1052117717.2146.12.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.3 Date: 05 May 2003 16:55:18 +1000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Mon, 2003-05-05 at 16:41, Gérard Milmeister wrote: > On Mon, 2003-05-05 at 08:02, Peter Harvey wrote: > > On Sun, 2003-05-04 at 00:58, Steve Dunham wrote: > > > Below is an example of how to add external thumbnailers via > > > gconf entries. I searched google for a way to do pdf thumbnails > > > in nautilus, but I only found patches for Nautilus itself. So > > > I don't think this technique is widely known and thought someone > > > else may find it useful. > > > > > > I used perl scripts, because nautilus passes URLs for the source > > > filename, and I was too lazy to write shell code to decode them. > > To add my two cents, I also had made something like this. I use > ImageMagick to generate thumbnails: > > http://www.ifi.unizh.ch/staff/milmei/nautilus/ > > It works quite well here. Some pdf files however fail to get thumbnails > generated. Just noticed something in your scripts - the use of gconftool to get the correct size for thumbnails. I've been told (on this list) that we should be using %s in our schemas. That will be converted to the correct (according to whatever program wants the thumbnail) size. Default is 256. I think in older versions of Nautilus this didn't work, so my scripts default to 256 if the third argument isn't supplied. When you say that some thumbnails fail for some PDF documents, is it because ImageMagick can't handle that PDF? Or is it because the file was in the process of being written? There does seem to be a race-condition occurring when a file is being written and a thumbnailer fails to generate a thumbnail because of that. I haven't looked into it in too much detail yet. Obviously this will only happen to you if you're generating PDFs (eg. pdflatex). See ya. -- Peter Harvey SITACS, University of Wollongong From alexl@redhat.com Mon May 5 03:39:04 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C6E318350 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 03:39:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (alexl@localhost) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h457d2306620; Mon, 5 May 2003 03:39:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: devserv.devel.redhat.com: alexl owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 03:39:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Alexander Larsson X-X-Sender: alexl@devserv.devel.redhat.com To: Ali Akcaagac Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus In-Reply-To: <1052079973.5816.5.camel@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On 4 May 2003, Ali Akcaagac wrote: > On Sun, 2003-05-04 at 01:25, Dave Camp wrote: > > * The grid is about half the size of a normal icon space in a normal > > icon view. This allows more freedom when placing icons, but means that > > icons won't always be in a strict grid. > > Is it possible to increase the value a bit more ? The reason why I ask > for this is because it often overlaps with horizontal Labels below the > Icons. It needs to be an even divisor of the normal icon size, otherwise we'll get strange "bands" of empty space between icons. As an extreme example, consider if the grid size is 90% of the normal width, then an icon would have to use two grid rects (180%) and you'd get an 80% wide blank column next to the icons. > If I move the icons to the left leaving one complete Icon as space then > the space is definately to much, but if I leave it the way it is then it > sometimes overlap the Labels so it would be nice to have a better > padding between the Icons. Maybe making the grid smaller would help (1/3 normal icon size?), that way you can get smaller spacing, although you risk things not looking very snap-to-grid:y. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a war-weary Amish shaman whom everyone believes is mad. She's an orphaned mutant college professor from a secret island of warrior women. They fight crime! From alexl@redhat.com Mon May 5 03:45:31 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2AC018350 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 03:45:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (alexl@localhost) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h457jV707359 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 03:45:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: devserv.devel.redhat.com: alexl owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 03:45:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Alexander Larsson X-X-Sender: alexl@devserv.devel.redhat.com To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: How to submit patches Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: We've recently had some issues with patches floating around on the net, but not having them properly submitted and reviewed. In order to avoid things like this I added some text to the HACKING file about how to submit patches and get them reviewed. Here is the current contents of the HACKING file: Hacking on Nautilus ------------------- The Nautilus source tree is available from GNOME cvs (cvs.gnome.org) and in releases on the GNOME FTP site (http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/nautilus/). If you plan to hack on Nautilus, please make sure you work from the CVS version. The CVS version can be checked from the GNOME cvs server. See http://developer.gnome.org/tools/cvs.html for details on how to get started with GNOME CVS. If you want to contribute in development discussions, please send mail to the nautilus mailing list: . Archives and subscription information are available at http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/nautilus-list Submitting Patches ------------------ If you've been working on a change to Nautilus and want to propose it for inclusion, you have to generate a patch and submit it for review by the maintainers. Patches should be made with 'cvs diff -pu >patch' and should conform to Nautilus coding style as described in docs/style-guide.html. We are pretty strict about coding style, so please make sure you follow the style guide to avoid unnecessary work on both sides when reviewing the patch. The best way to submit a patch for review is to post it on the mailing list. That way everyone sees it and can take part in the following discussion about it. Sometimes people also attach patches to bugs in bugzilla (http://bugzilla.gnome.org, product 'nautilus'). If you do this, please send a mail to the list saying you did so, because it is very easy for the bugzilla email to get lost in all the bugzilla reports, and only the people CCd on the bug can partake in the discussion. The Nautilus maintainers do their best to review patches and help developers that want to work on something, however we are often swamped in work and can miss an email or just forget to answer it. Don't be afraid of reposting your patches after a while, or poking us about the status of them. Also, if you're planning to do large changes, please take them up for discussion on the list first. If you get feedback early it is much easier to integrate it into your work. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's an old-fashioned voodoo cyborg with acid for blood. She's a manipulative communist socialite fleeing from a Satanic cult. They fight crime! From Murray.Cumming@Comneon.com Mon May 5 07:50:49 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp1.infineon.com (smtp1.infineon.com [194.175.117.76]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 486C3185FE for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 07:50:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vihsx03a.vih.infineon.com (vih.ifx-mail3.com [172.31.163.97]) by smtp1.infineon.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h45BfJTm019227; Mon, 5 May 2003 13:41:19 +0200 (MEST) Received: by vihsx03a.vih.infineon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 5 May 2003 13:51:11 +0200 Message-ID: <258B0164D480D5118D900800062B3858FFAC6C@vihsx09a.vih.infineon.com> From: Murray.Cumming@Comneon.com To: ben@xsusio.com, dave@ximian.com Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: RE: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 13:50:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > From: Ben Davis [mailto:ben@xsusio.com] > Are we ever going to have the ability to "clean up by ____" > whether it > be name, type, size, or whatever?? Put it all in a folder and sort it. Nobody's desktop needs to get that complicated. Murray Cumming murrayc@usa.net www.murrayc.com From ben@xsusio.com Mon May 5 10:58:49 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from ms-smtp-02.texas.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.texas.rr.com [24.93.36.230]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27BC3183CA for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 10:58:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xsusio.com (cs24162123-191.hot.rr.com [24.162.123.191]) by ms-smtp-02.texas.rr.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h45EwjnV004443; Mon, 5 May 2003 09:58:45 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3EB67C25.1020001@xsusio.com> Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 09:58:45 -0500 From: Ben Davis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030317 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Murray.Cumming@Comneon.com Cc: dave@ximian.com, nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus References: <258B0164D480D5118D900800062B3858FFAC6C@vihsx09a.vih.infineon.com> In-Reply-To: <258B0164D480D5118D900800062B3858FFAC6C@vihsx09a.vih.infineon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Murray.Cumming@Comneon.com wrote: >>From: Ben Davis [mailto:ben@xsusio.com] >>Are we ever going to have the ability to "clean up by ____" >>whether it >>be name, type, size, or whatever?? >> >> > >Put it all in a folder and sort it. Nobody's desktop needs to get that >complicated. > Damn, I really hope you're not a Gnome developer or top decision maker, because it's exactly that kind of attitude that makes applications suck. Every user has unique needs and unique preferences, and while you can't meet them all, you certainly DON'T have to leave out a feature simply because you think your way of doing it is better. But if I must explain, then: I use my desktop as a temp or "unfiled" folder. Everything gets downloaded to my deskotp and dragged to my desktop when I don't have a place for it. Word documents, images, tarballs, whatever. When I want to clean up my desktop, and (for instance) I want to take all my word docs and file them away, i hate having to go through all the files when they're not sorted by type, it's much easier to be able to arrange them into groups and them deal with the files that way. Excuse me if that's not the way you think I should organize my desktop. It's the way I've always done things and I'm not likely to change my habits just because someone thinks I should do it their way. Saying "Nobody's desktop needs to get that complicated" is like saying "Nobody's ever going to use more than 128k.." or "Why would you need a gui? just use command line!".. I mean, why would the top selling desktop operating system use the exact same "arrange icons by..." method that I'm talking about?? They obviously found some good reason to allow users to do this. And any user switching from windows to linux will tell you the same. From alexl@redhat.com Mon May 5 11:13:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3367C186D3 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 11:13:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (alexl@localhost) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h45FDpr31303; Mon, 5 May 2003 11:13:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: devserv.devel.redhat.com: alexl owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 11:13:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Alexander Larsson X-X-Sender: alexl@devserv.devel.redhat.com To: Ali Akcaagac Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus In-Reply-To: <1052006608.27404.1.camel@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On 4 May 2003, Ali Akcaagac wrote: > On Sun, 2003-05-04 at 01:25, Dave Camp wrote: > > I just checked in the following patch to add a Keep Aligned mode to the > > desktop in nautilus. When you switch to this mode, existing icons will > > snap to a grid. While in this mode, dropped icons will snap to grid > > locations automatically. I'd like people to build it and give it a > > whirl. > > Wow, this was a pretty long requested feature. I haven't tested it yet > but I wanted to thank you for taking the time creating it. Thanks a lot for that, you seem to be among the few that appreciate it. Its seems to be pretty uncommon with people feeling gratitude these days. Most comments we got at gnomedesktop.org for implementing a much requested feature were big "fuck you"s, and that sort of thing makes working on free software pretty meaningless. Anyway, ignore me, I'm just burnt out and fucked over. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a one-legged flyboy master criminal possessed of the uncanny powers of an insect. She's a beautiful motormouth fairy princess with an incredible destiny. They fight crime! From jdub@perkypants.org Mon May 5 11:15:54 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-06.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.38]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 387D6186FD for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 11:15:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 11690 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 15:07:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO home.perkypants.org) (203.217.69.112) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 5 May 2003 15:07:30 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by home.perkypants.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14F878C106 for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 01:07:33 +1000 (EST) Received: from home.perkypants.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (katia [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28459-08 for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 01:07:32 +1000 (EST) Received: from lazarus.home (lazarus.home [192.168.10.10]) by home.perkypants.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAD6E8C102 for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 01:07:32 +1000 (EST) Received: by lazarus.home (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0991E12B6A9; Tue, 6 May 2003 01:07:30 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 01:07:30 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus Message-ID: <20030505150729.GT2836@lazarus> Mail-Followup-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org References: <258B0164D480D5118D900800062B3858FFAC6C@vihsx09a.vih.infineon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <258B0164D480D5118D900800062B3858FFAC6C@vihsx09a.vih.infineon.com> Reply-By: Fri May 9 01:04:49 EST 2003 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.4.21-rc1 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 01:04:49 up 2 days, 7:27, 4 users, load average: 0.05, 0.07, 0.02 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030314-p1 (Debian) Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > > From: Ben Davis [mailto:ben@xsusio.com] > > Are we ever going to have the ability to "clean up by ____" > > whether it > > be name, type, size, or whatever?? HEAD includes 'clean up by name', but others are most likely doable. Now that we have grid alignment, I'm missing an unsorted cleanup (but I've mentioned this to Dave already). One trouble we're facing is the desktop context menu... It's always getting bigger. Tough. > Put it all in a folder and sort it. Nobody's desktop needs to get that > complicated. Murray, that's a really unproductive, pointless and thoroughly inaccurate comment. - Jeff -- GU4DEC: June 16th-18th in Dublin, Ireland http://www.guadec.org/ "The only people still using Microsoft IIS are those who don't even know it's there." - Larry Ellison From Murray.Cumming@Comneon.com Mon May 5 11:19:00 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp1.infineon.com (smtp1.infineon.com [194.175.117.76]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D02518702 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 11:19:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vihsx03a.vih.infineon.com (vih.ifx-mail3.com [172.31.163.97]) by smtp1.infineon.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h45F9UTm014520; Mon, 5 May 2003 17:09:30 +0200 (MEST) Received: by vihsx03a.vih.infineon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 5 May 2003 17:19:23 +0200 Message-ID: <258B0164D480D5118D900800062B3858FFAC99@vihsx09a.vih.infineon.com> From: Murray.Cumming@Comneon.com To: alexl@redhat.com, aliakc@web.de Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: RE: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 17:18:58 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > From: Alexander Larsson [mailto:alexl@redhat.com] > Most comments we got at gnomedesktop.org for implementing a > much requested > feature were big "fuck you"s, and that sort of thing makes > working on free > software pretty meaningless. The internet is like that - it lets fools be heard too. You have to ignore some people because they are loony. It's normally clear to everyone when someone is being loony, so it's no big deal. We love you and appreciate you. Murray Cumming murrayc@usa.net www.murrayc.com From Murray.Cumming@Comneon.com Mon May 5 11:22:23 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp1.infineon.com (smtp1.infineon.com [194.175.117.76]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3583F18716 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 11:22:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vihsx03a.vih.infineon.com (vih.ifx-mail3.com [172.31.163.97]) by smtp1.infineon.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h45FCrTm015466; Mon, 5 May 2003 17:12:53 +0200 (MEST) Received: by vihsx03a.vih.infineon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 5 May 2003 17:22:45 +0200 Message-ID: <258B0164D480D5118D900800062B3858FFAC9A@vihsx09a.vih.infineon.com> From: Murray.Cumming@Comneon.com To: jdub@perkypants.org, nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: RE: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 17:22:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > From: Jeff Waugh [mailto:jdub@perkypants.org] > > Put it all in a folder and sort it. Nobody's desktop needs > to get that > > complicated. > > Murray, that's a really unproductive, pointless and > thoroughly inaccurate > comment. But I'm serious. I guess I was thinking about just the desktop, and it might be worthwhile to arrange an icon-view of a folder just as you can sort a list view. But even then, I do think you should switch to a list view when you want that much order. Does the Mac have an "Arrange-icons-by-sorting-by-anything" feature? It doesn't sound like it's needed by the vast majority of people, and not really needed by the minority either. Murray Cumming murrayc@usa.net www.murrayc.com From gemi@bluewin.ch Mon May 5 11:30:22 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from scriabin.tannenrauch.ch (dclient217-162-145-83.hispeed.ch [217.162.145.83]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 518631829F for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 11:30:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scriabin.tannenrauch.ch (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by scriabin.tannenrauch.ch (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h45FTpqe006441 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 17:29:58 +0200 Received: (from gemi@localhost) by scriabin.tannenrauch.ch (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h45FTbfQ006408 for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Mon, 5 May 2003 17:29:37 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: scriabin.tannenrauch.ch: gemi set sender to gemi@bluewin.ch using -f Subject: Re: HOWTO: Postscript/PDF/xfig thumbnails without rebuilding nautilus From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=E9rard?= Milmeister To: Nautilus List In-Reply-To: <1052117717.2146.12.camel@localhost> References: <1051973911.4681.27.camel@notung.cse.msu.edu> <1052114551.2138.3.camel@localhost> <1052116864.32200.2.camel@scriabin.tannenrauch.ch> <1052117717.2146.12.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Organization: Universität Zürich Message-Id: <1052148577.5710.4.camel@scriabin.tannenrauch.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-5) Date: 05 May 2003 17:29:37 +0200 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: >=20 > Just noticed something in your scripts - the use of gconftool to get the > correct size for thumbnails. I've been told (on this list) that we > should be using %s in our schemas. That will be converted to the correct > (according to whatever program wants the thumbnail) size. Default is > 256. Ah that's news to me. I googled for nautilus thumbnailer, but I have not found anything interesting. >=20 > I think in older versions of Nautilus this didn't work, so my scripts > default to 256 if the third argument isn't supplied. >=20 > When you say that some thumbnails fail for some PDF documents, is it > because ImageMagick can't handle that PDF? Or is it because the file was > in the process of being written? There does seem to be a race-condition > occurring when a file is being written and a thumbnailer fails to > generate a thumbnail because of that. I haven't looked into it in too > much detail yet. Obviously this will only happen to you if you're > generating PDFs (eg. pdflatex). Well, ImageMagick delegates to gs, and there are some PDFs that are not handled by gs. Ghostscript is generally pretty bad at PDFs, Xpdf is much better, but doesn't support latest standards. Otherwise I think ImageMagick is pretty good for these tasks, it also handles .dvi files. > See ya. >=20 > --=20 > Peter Harvey > SITACS, University of Wollongong --=20 G=E9rard Milmeister Tannenrauchstrasse 35 8038 Z=FCrich gemi@bluewin.ch From jdub@perkypants.org Mon May 5 11:31:57 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-02.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.34]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 345821851D for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 11:31:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 4228 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 15:25:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO home.perkypants.org) (203.217.69.112) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 5 May 2003 15:25:23 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by home.perkypants.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18A868C106; Tue, 6 May 2003 01:25:23 +1000 (EST) Received: from home.perkypants.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (katia [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15628-09; Tue, 6 May 2003 01:25:22 +1000 (EST) Received: from lazarus.home (lazarus.home [192.168.10.10]) by home.perkypants.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9B838C102; Tue, 6 May 2003 01:25:22 +1000 (EST) Received: by lazarus.home (Postfix, from userid 1000) id EE58312B6A9; Tue, 6 May 2003 01:25:19 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 01:25:19 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: Murray.Cumming@Comneon.com Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus Message-ID: <20030505152519.GU2836@lazarus> Mail-Followup-To: Murray.Cumming@Comneon.com, nautilus-list@gnome.org References: <258B0164D480D5118D900800062B3858FFAC9A@vihsx09a.vih.infineon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <258B0164D480D5118D900800062B3858FFAC9A@vihsx09a.vih.infineon.com> Reply-By: Fri May 9 01:22:56 EST 2003 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.4.21-rc1 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 01:22:56 up 2 days, 7:45, 4 users, load average: 0.13, 0.08, 0.02 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030314-p1 (Debian) Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > > From: Jeff Waugh [mailto:jdub@perkypants.org] > > > Put it all in a folder and sort it. Nobody's desktop needs to get that > > > complicated. > > > > Murray, that's a really unproductive, pointless and thoroughly > > inaccurate comment. > > But I'm serious. I guess I was thinking about just the desktop, and it > might be worthwhile to arrange an icon-view of a folder just as you can > sort a list view. But even then, I do think you should switch to a list > view when you want that much order. Perhaps you're misunderstanding the feature (which, by the way, already exists in Nautilus): It means tidying the contents of the desktop up, and sorting it by name. > Does the Mac have an "Arrange-icons-by-sorting-by-anything" feature? It > doesn't sound like it's needed by the vast majority of people, and not > really needed by the minority either. Absolutely. Both the Windows desktop and the MacOS Finder desktop have these features (as well as clean up without sorting). - Jeff -- GU4DEC: June 16th-18th in Dublin, Ireland http://www.guadec.org/ "Python amazes me for its concision. The current prototype is all of 900 lines of code, yet it contains a lexer, parser (recursive descent), core language interpreter, and parallelizing process spawner." - Raph Levien on Rebar From Murray.Cumming@Comneon.com Mon May 5 11:37:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp1.infineon.com (smtp1.infineon.com [194.175.117.76]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F09618715 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 11:37:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vihsx03a.vih.infineon.com (vih.ifx-mail3.com [172.31.163.97]) by smtp1.infineon.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h45FSATm018772; Mon, 5 May 2003 17:28:10 +0200 (MEST) Received: by vihsx03a.vih.infineon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 5 May 2003 17:38:02 +0200 Message-ID: <258B0164D480D5118D900800062B3858FFAC9C@vihsx09a.vih.infineon.com> From: Murray.Cumming@Comneon.com To: jdub@perkypants.org Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: RE: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 17:37:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > From: Jeff Waugh [mailto:jdub@perkypants.org] > Perhaps you're misunderstanding the feature (which, by the > way, already > exists in Nautilus): It means tidying the contents of the > desktop up, and > sorting it by name. Then I did understand the first time. I really don't know why anyone would want to arrange the icons on their desktop in order of file size, or file type, for instance. Fair enough, you want to. Murray Cumming murrayc@usa.net www.murrayc.com From hp@redhat.com Mon May 5 13:39:17 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7C23185DD for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 13:39:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from hp@localhost) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) id h45HdFF23989; Mon, 5 May 2003 13:39:15 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 13:39:15 -0400 From: Havoc Pennington To: Alexander Larsson Cc: Ali Akcaagac , nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus Message-ID: <20030505133915.G27541@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1052006608.27404.1.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Mon, May 05, 2003 at 11:13:50AM -0400, Alexander Larsson wrote: > Thanks a lot for that, you seem to be among the few that appreciate it. > > Its seems to be pretty uncommon with people feeling gratitude these days. > Most comments we got at gnomedesktop.org for implementing a much requested > feature were big "fuck you"s, and that sort of thing makes working on free > software pretty meaningless. You have to consider this: those same people are advocating a file manager where the author doesn't use whitespace in the code in order to make the source tarball smaller. ;-) Havoc From nautilus-list@lists.thewrittenword.com Mon May 5 13:57:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from spuckler.il.thewrittenword.com (mail2.thewrittenword.com [67.95.107.111]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4EAA18443 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 13:57:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spuckler.il.thewrittenword.com (localhost.il.thewrittenword.com [127.0.0.1]) by spuckler.il.thewrittenword.com (8.12.7p2/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h45HvrSN042960 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 12:57:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from china@localhost) by spuckler.il.thewrittenword.com (8.12.7p2/8.12.7) id h45Hvr8M042959 for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Mon, 5 May 2003 12:57:53 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 12:57:53 -0500 From: Albert Chin To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: No file icons showing up on Solaris 9/SPARC Message-ID: <20030505175753.GA41929@spuckler.il.thewrittenword.com> Reply-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I've compiled nautilus-2.2.3.1 for GNOME 2.2.1 on Solaris 9/SPARC with the Sun C compiler. When I start Nautilus, only one type of icon shows up: ftp://ftp.thewrittenword.com/outgoing/pub/nautilus.png This is quite different from nautilus-2.0.7 on GNOME 2.0.2 which appears to display ok. The necessary icons are in DATADIR + "/pixmaps/document-icons/". However, nautilus-find-icon-image.c doesn't exist in nautilus-2.2.3.1 anymore. What is responsible for looking up the icons in DATADIR + "/pixmaps/document-icons/"? -- albert chin (china@thewrittenword.com) From julo@altern.org Mon May 5 15:10:11 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mwinf0204.wanadoo.fr (smtp7.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.29]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3E5118577 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 15:10:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.228] (Mix-Toulouse-206-4-30.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.248.216.30]) by mwinf0204.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id B14AEA00008C; Mon, 5 May 2003 21:10:09 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus From: Julien Olivier To: Alexander Larsson Cc: Ali Akcaagac , nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1052161786.3732.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-4) Date: 05 May 2003 21:09:46 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > Its seems to be pretty uncommon with people feeling gratitude these days. > Most comments we got at gnomedesktop.org for implementing a much requested > feature were big "fuck you"s, and that sort of thing makes working on free > software pretty meaningless. > > Anyway, ignore me, I'm just burnt out and fucked over. I think that it's really great news ! Nautilus is getting better and better. But it's also true that Nautilus still has some big problems that can be very frustrating. I bet that's why some people are over-reacting and want to throw Nautilus to the trash... Just ignore them. You GTK/GNOME developers are great and I couldn't stop saying thank you to all of you (and I include all Free Software developers in this message). From danny.milo@gmx.net Mon May 5 15:18:54 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 14E471867F for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 15:18:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 4064 invoked by uid 65534); 5 May 2003 19:18:50 -0000 Received: from L0027P05.dipool.highway.telekom.at (EHLO pyramid.niea.at) (62.46.67.69) by mail.gmx.net (mp020-rz3) with SMTP; 05 May 2003 21:18:50 +0200 Subject: Patch: Mouse wheel on the zoom level widget ;) From: Danny To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1052160468.2537.1.camel@pyramid.niea.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.2 (Preview Release) Date: 05 May 2003 20:47:48 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi! :) I've done a small patch: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=109996 It allows changing the zoom level with the mouse wheel when the pointer is above the zoom level widget ;) Have fun ^^ Danny From nautilus-list@lists.thewrittenword.com Mon May 5 17:23:08 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from spuckler.il.thewrittenword.com (mail2.thewrittenword.com [67.95.107.111]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 895AF1826B for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 17:23:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spuckler.il.thewrittenword.com (localhost.il.thewrittenword.com [127.0.0.1]) by spuckler.il.thewrittenword.com (8.12.7p2/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h45LN8SN048383 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 16:23:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from china@localhost) by spuckler.il.thewrittenword.com (8.12.7p2/8.12.7) id h45LN8rt048382 for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Mon, 5 May 2003 16:23:08 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 16:23:08 -0500 From: Albert Chin To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: No file icons showing up on Solaris 9/SPARC Message-ID: <20030505212308.GB41929@spuckler.il.thewrittenword.com> Reply-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org References: <20030505175753.GA41929@spuckler.il.thewrittenword.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030505175753.GA41929@spuckler.il.thewrittenword.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Mon, May 05, 2003 at 12:57:53PM -0500, Albert Chin wrote: > I've compiled nautilus-2.2.3.1 for GNOME 2.2.1 on Solaris 9/SPARC with > the Sun C compiler. When I start Nautilus, only one type of icon shows > up: > ftp://ftp.thewrittenword.com/outgoing/pub/nautilus.png > > This is quite different from nautilus-2.0.7 on GNOME 2.0.2 which > appears to display ok. The necessary icons are in DATADIR + > "/pixmaps/document-icons/". However, nautilus-find-icon-image.c > doesn't exist in nautilus-2.2.3.1 anymore. What is responsible for > looking up the icons in DATADIR + "/pixmaps/document-icons/"? Ok, I installed gnome-icon-theme-1.0.2 and gnome-themes-2.2.1. This didn't solve the problem. It seems GNOME is looking for $prefix/share/icons/hicolor (KDE has this directory). If I symlink one of the icon themes in gnome-icon-theme-1.0.2 to $prefix/share/icons/hicolor, then I get icons in Nautilus. Is this how it's suppose to work? -- albert chin (china@thewrittenword.com) From josh@vitriolix.com Mon May 5 19:22:39 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.28]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F9CB18647 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 19:22:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vitriolix.com (adsl-66-120-160-249.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [66.120.160.249]) by mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h45NMXPi021428 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 18:22:38 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3EB6F23E.9010409@vitriolix.com> Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 16:22:38 -0700 From: Josh Steiner User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > > >Thanks a lot for that, you seem to be among the few that appreciate it. > >Its seems to be pretty uncommon with people feeling gratitude these days. >Most comments we got at gnomedesktop.org for implementing a much requested >feature were big "fuck you"s, and that sort of thing makes working on free >software pretty meaningless. > >Anyway, ignore me, I'm just burnt out and fucked over. > > > i hear that, it has got to get tiresome to have people who aparently have the emotional/intellectual capacity of a 9 year old loudly and publically slamming you no matter what you do. but remeber to read between the lines, in that long rambling thread on gd.o there are *2* people who are doing the vast majority of the agitating, and a dozen or so trying to keep the thread respecful and constructive. -josh -- ____________________________________________________ independent u.s. drum'n'bass -- http://vitriolix.com From chabotc@4-ice.com Mon May 5 21:42:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from chabotc.xs4all.nl (chabotc.xs4all.nl [80.126.34.141]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18B10182FA for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 21:42:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 4-ice.com (gandalf.chabotc.com [192.168.0.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by chabotc.xs4all.nl (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h461gZAh032544 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 6 May 2003 03:42:36 +0200 Message-ID: <3EB7130A.7020105@4-ice.com> Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 03:42:34 +0200 From: Chris Chabot Organization: 4-ice User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4b) Gecko/20030506 Thunderbird/0.1a X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alexander Larsson , nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090905050403080906060508" X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090905050403080906060508 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please accept my appreciation and thanks as well! I can understand that some people get confused and emotional over such things and fail to see the good some one does. They are used to high standards because of the high quality software they get to enjoy (in which you definatly have your part!). So when something else good happens, it's 'normal' and the only thing they recognise are the petty small things.. And some people love to shout that out.. In a warped way it is a huge compliment. If their average experiance was bad, they would praise this patch for 'not sucking' like the rest and that would take their focus. Not much of a comfort in these situations, but true non the less.. (remember the ultimate insult is 'not caring', and these people and a _lot_ of others care a lot!). Since i also talk to much about other things, and not the gratitude for the work you and so many others have done, i'd like to officially say: Thank you! -- Chris Alexander Larsson wrote: >On 4 May 2003, Ali Akcaagac wrote: > > > >>On Sun, 2003-05-04 at 01:25, Dave Camp wrote: >> >> >>>I just checked in the following patch to add a Keep Aligned mode to the >>>desktop in nautilus. When you switch to this mode, existing icons will >>>snap to a grid. While in this mode, dropped icons will snap to grid >>>locations automatically. I'd like people to build it and give it a >>>whirl. >>> >>> >>Wow, this was a pretty long requested feature. I haven't tested it yet >>but I wanted to thank you for taking the time creating it. >> >> > >Thanks a lot for that, you seem to be among the few that appreciate it. > >Its seems to be pretty uncommon with people feeling gratitude these days. >Most comments we got at gnomedesktop.org for implementing a much requested >feature were big "fuck you"s, and that sort of thing makes working on free >software pretty meaningless. > >Anyway, ignore me, I'm just burnt out and fucked over. > > > --------------090905050403080906060508 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please accept my appreciation and thanks as well!

I can understand that some people get confused and emotional over such things and fail to see the good some one does. They are used to high standards because of the high quality software they get to enjoy (in which you definatly have your part!). So when something else good happens, it's 'normal' and the only thing they recognise are the petty small things.. And some people love to shout that out..

In a warped way it is a huge compliment. If their average experiance was bad, they would praise this patch for 'not sucking' like the rest and that would take their focus. Not much of a comfort in these situations, but true non the less.. (remember the ultimate insult is 'not caring', and these people and a _lot_ of others care a lot!).

Since i also talk to much about other things, and not the gratitude for the work you and so many others have done, i'd like to officially say: Thank you!

    -- Chris

Alexander Larsson wrote:
On 4 May 2003, Ali Akcaagac wrote:

  
On Sun, 2003-05-04 at 01:25, Dave Camp wrote:
    
I just checked in the following patch to add a Keep Aligned mode to the
desktop in nautilus.  When you switch to this mode, existing icons will
snap to a grid.  While in this mode, dropped icons will snap to grid
locations automatically.  I'd like people to build it and give it a
whirl.
      
Wow, this was a pretty long requested feature. I haven't tested it yet
but I wanted to thank you for taking the time creating it.
    

Thanks a lot for that, you seem to be among the few that appreciate it. 

Its seems to be pretty uncommon with people feeling gratitude these days. 
Most comments we got at gnomedesktop.org for implementing a much requested 
feature were big "fuck you"s, and that sort of thing makes working on free 
software pretty meaningless. 

Anyway, ignore me, I'm just burnt out and fucked over.
--------------090905050403080906060508-- From kaas_10@hotmail.com Tue May 6 01:28:02 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from hotmail.com (f51.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.51]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 894AE18248 for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 01:28:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 5 May 2003 22:28:00 -0700 Received: from 212.127.139.246 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 06 May 2003 05:28:00 GMT X-Originating-IP: [212.127.139.246] X-Originating-Email: [kaas_10@hotmail.com] From: "r ve" To: alexl@redhat.com Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 07:28:00 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 May 2003 05:28:00.0430 (UTC) FILETIME=[42414CE0:01C31390] Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: >>Thanks a lot for that, you seem to be among the few that appreciate it. >> >>Its seems to be pretty uncommon with people feeling gratitude these days. >>Most comments we got at gnomedesktop.org for implementing a much requested >>feature were big "fuck you"s, and that sort of thing makes working on free >>software pretty meaningless. >> >>Anyway, ignore me, I'm just burnt out and fucked over. People are pretty much spoiled these days with all of this good software available for free. I think Nautilus still is one of the nicest file managers and this patch makes it even nicer. Believe me, there are much more people out there who appreciate additions like this one, including me. They just often tend to be very quit because they're already happy and have nothing (or at least not much) to complain about :) Thumbs up! I certainly appreciate it. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From george@gmsys.com Tue May 6 01:28:17 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from ve7frg.gmsys.com (h24-66-186-212.du.shawcable.net [24.66.186.212]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 756AC183F5 for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 01:28:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ve7frg.gmsys.com (ve7frg.gmsys.com [127.0.0.1]) by ve7frg.gmsys.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h465SClw004084; Mon, 5 May 2003 22:28:12 -0700 Received: (from george@localhost) by ve7frg.gmsys.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h465S9EP004082; Mon, 5 May 2003 22:28:09 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ve7frg.gmsys.com: george set sender to george@gmsys.com using -f Subject: Re: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus From: George Farris To: Chris Chabot Cc: Alexander Larsson , nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <3EB7130A.7020105@4-ice.com> References: <3EB7130A.7020105@4-ice.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Message-Id: <1052198889.3997.1.camel@ve7frg.gmsys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-4) Date: 05 May 2003 22:28:09 -0700 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Also remember that their are a huge number of us who very much appreciate the work everyone does but are silent. For all us silent types a big "Thank You". Cheers On Mon, 2003-05-05 at 18:42, Chris Chabot wrote: > Please accept my appreciation and thanks as well! > > I can understand that some people get confused and emotional over such > things and fail to see the good some one does. They are used to high > standards because of the high quality software they get to enjoy (in > which you definatly have your part!). So when something else good > happens, it's 'normal' and the only thing they recognise are the petty > small things.. And some people love to shout that out.. > > In a warped way it is a huge compliment. If their average experiance > was bad, they would praise this patch for 'not sucking' like the rest > and that would take their focus. Not much of a comfort in these > situations, but true non the less.. (remember the ultimate insult is > 'not caring', and these people and a _lot_ of others care a lot!). > > Since i also talk to much about other things, and not the gratitude > for the work you and so many others have done, i'd like to officially > say: Thank you! > > -- Chris > > Alexander Larsson wrote: > > On 4 May 2003, Ali Akcaagac wrote: > > > > > > > On Sun, 2003-05-04 at 01:25, Dave Camp wrote: > > > > > > > I just checked in the following patch to add a Keep Aligned mode to the > > > > desktop in nautilus. When you switch to this mode, existing icons will > > > > snap to a grid. While in this mode, dropped icons will snap to grid > > > > locations automatically. I'd like people to build it and give it a > > > > whirl. > > > > > > > > > > Wow, this was a pretty long requested feature. I haven't tested it yet > > > but I wanted to thank you for taking the time creating it. > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for that, you seem to be among the few that appreciate it. > > > > Its seems to be pretty uncommon with people feeling gratitude these days. > > Most comments we got at gnomedesktop.org for implementing a much requested > > feature were big "fuck you"s, and that sort of thing makes working on free > > software pretty meaningless. > > > > Anyway, ignore me, I'm just burnt out and fucked over. > > > > -- George Farris From alexl@redhat.com Tue May 6 04:06:23 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39CBB18818 for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 04:06:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (alexl@localhost) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h4686MB26503 for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 04:06:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: devserv.devel.redhat.com: alexl owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 04:06:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Alexander Larsson X-X-Sender: alexl@devserv.devel.redhat.com To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: No file icons showing up on Solaris 9/SPARC In-Reply-To: <20030505212308.GB41929@spuckler.il.thewrittenword.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Mon, 5 May 2003, Albert Chin wrote: > On Mon, May 05, 2003 at 12:57:53PM -0500, Albert Chin wrote: > > I've compiled nautilus-2.2.3.1 for GNOME 2.2.1 on Solaris 9/SPARC with > > the Sun C compiler. When I start Nautilus, only one type of icon shows > > up: > > ftp://ftp.thewrittenword.com/outgoing/pub/nautilus.png > > > > This is quite different from nautilus-2.0.7 on GNOME 2.0.2 which > > appears to display ok. The necessary icons are in DATADIR + > > "/pixmaps/document-icons/". However, nautilus-find-icon-image.c > > doesn't exist in nautilus-2.2.3.1 anymore. What is responsible for > > looking up the icons in DATADIR + "/pixmaps/document-icons/"? > > Ok, I installed gnome-icon-theme-1.0.2 and gnome-themes-2.2.1. This > didn't solve the problem. It seems GNOME is looking for > $prefix/share/icons/hicolor (KDE has this directory). If I symlink one > of the icon themes in gnome-icon-theme-1.0.2 to > $prefix/share/icons/hicolor, then I get icons in Nautilus. Is this how > it's suppose to work? No. gnome-icon-theme installs a theme called "gnome", and the default icon theme used is supposed to be "gnome". "hicolor" is just looked in for backwards and KDE compatibility. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a suave Jewish cowboy in drag. She's a cynical impetuous hooker operating on the wrong side of the law. They fight crime! From alexl@redhat.com Tue May 6 04:18:19 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A56DC1880B for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 04:18:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (alexl@localhost) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h468IH129071; Tue, 6 May 2003 04:18:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: devserv.devel.redhat.com: alexl owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 04:18:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Alexander Larsson X-X-Sender: alexl@devserv.devel.redhat.com To: Danny Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Patch: Mouse wheel on the zoom level widget ;) In-Reply-To: <1052160468.2537.1.camel@pyramid.niea.at> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On 5 May 2003, Danny wrote: > Hi! :) > > I've done a small patch: > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=109996 > > It allows changing the zoom level with the mouse wheel when the pointer > is above the zoom level widget ;) Thanks a lot. I commited this to cvs. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a jaded guerilla sorceror with a mysterious suitcase handcuffed to his arm. She's a radical French-Canadian hooker trying to make a difference in a man's world. They fight crime! From mazzoni.perseo@tiscalinet.it Tue May 6 05:57:14 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from eta.fastwebnet.it (unknown [213.140.2.50]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DA8218847 for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 05:57:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tiscalinet.it (37.0.232.41) by eta.fastwebnet.it (6.7.016) id 3EAF5CD200113013 for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Tue, 6 May 2003 11:57:12 +0200 Message-ID: <3EB786FF.6040603@tiscalinet.it> Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 11:57:19 +0200 From: Mazzoni Perseo User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030327 Debian/1.3-4 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Gnome2 panel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Great Job friends! nautilus is very speeding and evolving! I have only a doubt... not about nautilus but 'bout gnome panel on the top.... why I can't drag windows under it? I tried whit metacity.... and I can't... it's absurd! however this mail is a mail of gratitude to you all, developers! Special tnx to the path "keep aligned", very very usefull, I waited for it for months!!! ciao!! -- Perseo Mazzoni www.ProgFree.3000.it www.cs.unibo.it/~pmazzoni ICQ #175133495 From nautilus-list@lists.thewrittenword.com Tue May 6 07:10:49 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from spuckler.il.thewrittenword.com (mail2.thewrittenword.com [67.95.107.111]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16B0A18848 for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 07:10:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spuckler.il.thewrittenword.com (localhost.il.thewrittenword.com [127.0.0.1]) by spuckler.il.thewrittenword.com (8.12.7p2/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h46BAmSN062052 for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 06:10:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from china@localhost) by spuckler.il.thewrittenword.com (8.12.7p2/8.12.7) id h46BAmZl062051 for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Tue, 6 May 2003 06:10:48 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 06:10:48 -0500 From: Albert Chin To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: No file icons showing up on Solaris 9/SPARC Message-ID: <20030506111048.GA61861@spuckler.il.thewrittenword.com> Reply-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org References: <20030505212308.GB41929@spuckler.il.thewrittenword.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Tue, May 06, 2003 at 04:06:22AM -0400, Alexander Larsson wrote: > On Mon, 5 May 2003, Albert Chin wrote: > > > On Mon, May 05, 2003 at 12:57:53PM -0500, Albert Chin wrote: > > > I've compiled nautilus-2.2.3.1 for GNOME 2.2.1 on Solaris 9/SPARC with > > > the Sun C compiler. When I start Nautilus, only one type of icon shows > > > up: > > > ftp://ftp.thewrittenword.com/outgoing/pub/nautilus.png > > > > > > This is quite different from nautilus-2.0.7 on GNOME 2.0.2 which > > > appears to display ok. The necessary icons are in DATADIR + > > > "/pixmaps/document-icons/". However, nautilus-find-icon-image.c > > > doesn't exist in nautilus-2.2.3.1 anymore. What is responsible for > > > looking up the icons in DATADIR + "/pixmaps/document-icons/"? > > > > Ok, I installed gnome-icon-theme-1.0.2 and gnome-themes-2.2.1. This > > didn't solve the problem. It seems GNOME is looking for > > $prefix/share/icons/hicolor (KDE has this directory). If I symlink one > > of the icon themes in gnome-icon-theme-1.0.2 to > > $prefix/share/icons/hicolor, then I get icons in Nautilus. Is this how > > it's suppose to work? > > No. gnome-icon-theme installs a theme called "gnome", and the default icon > theme used is supposed to be "gnome". "hicolor" is just looked in for > backwards and KDE compatibility. Where is this default "gnome" theme specified? I had to apply the patch below to get the $prefix/share/icons/gnome theme recognized by default. It's no doubt wrong but I don't know what the correct solution is. -- albert chin (china@thewrittenword.com) -- snip snip --- libgnomeui/gnome-icon-theme.c.orig Mon May 5 16:46:59 2003 +++ libgnomeui/gnome-icon-theme.c Mon May 5 16:47:08 2003 @@ -268,7 +268,7 @@ icon_theme->priv = priv; priv->custom_theme = FALSE; - priv->current_theme = g_strdup ("hicolor"); + priv->current_theme = g_strdup ("gnome"); priv->search_path = g_new (char *, 5); @@ -637,7 +637,7 @@ insert_theme (icon_theme, priv->current_theme); /* Always look in the "default" icon theme */ - insert_theme (icon_theme, "hicolor"); + insert_theme (icon_theme, "gnome"); priv->themes = g_list_reverse (priv->themes); priv->unthemed_icons = g_hash_table_new_full (g_str_hash, g_str_equal, From bordoley@msu.edu Tue May 6 08:00:17 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from sys10.mail.msu.edu (sys10.mail.msu.edu [35.9.75.110]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53CA718858 for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 08:00:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bordoley by sys10.mail.msu.edu with local (Exim 4.10 #3) (authenticated as bordoley) id 19D17H-000H1z-00; Tue, 06 May 2003 08:00:15 -0400 References: In-Reply-To: From: "David Adam Bordoley" To: Alexander Larsson Cc: Danny , nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Patch: Mouse wheel on the zoom level widget ;) Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 08:00:15 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Alexander Larsson writes: > On 5 May 2003, Danny wrote: > >> Hi! :) >> >> I've done a small patch: >> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=109996 >> >> It allows changing the zoom level with the mouse wheel when the pointer >> is above the zoom level widget ;) > > Thanks a lot. I commited this to cvs. Not to come off as an unappreciative nag :) but are you guys still planning on replacing the zoom widget with a generic gtk style one. I know there have been a few patches floating around the list and in bugzilla to do this and the ally team would probably appreciate it :) dave From alexl@redhat.com Tue May 6 09:00:06 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50F5A188AA for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 09:00:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (alexl@localhost) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h46D05Q16539 for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 09:00:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: devserv.devel.redhat.com: alexl owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 09:00:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Alexander Larsson X-X-Sender: alexl@devserv.devel.redhat.com To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: No file icons showing up on Solaris 9/SPARC In-Reply-To: <20030506111048.GA61861@spuckler.il.thewrittenword.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Tue, 6 May 2003, Albert Chin wrote: > On Tue, May 06, 2003 at 04:06:22AM -0400, Alexander Larsson wrote: > > On Mon, 5 May 2003, Albert Chin wrote: > > > > > On Mon, May 05, 2003 at 12:57:53PM -0500, Albert Chin wrote: > > > > I've compiled nautilus-2.2.3.1 for GNOME 2.2.1 on Solaris 9/SPARC with > > > > the Sun C compiler. When I start Nautilus, only one type of icon shows > > > > up: > > > > ftp://ftp.thewrittenword.com/outgoing/pub/nautilus.png > > > > > > > > This is quite different from nautilus-2.0.7 on GNOME 2.0.2 which > > > > appears to display ok. The necessary icons are in DATADIR + > > > > "/pixmaps/document-icons/". However, nautilus-find-icon-image.c > > > > doesn't exist in nautilus-2.2.3.1 anymore. What is responsible for > > > > looking up the icons in DATADIR + "/pixmaps/document-icons/"? > > > > > > Ok, I installed gnome-icon-theme-1.0.2 and gnome-themes-2.2.1. This > > > didn't solve the problem. It seems GNOME is looking for > > > $prefix/share/icons/hicolor (KDE has this directory). If I symlink one > > > of the icon themes in gnome-icon-theme-1.0.2 to > > > $prefix/share/icons/hicolor, then I get icons in Nautilus. Is this how > > > it's suppose to work? > > > > No. gnome-icon-theme installs a theme called "gnome", and the default icon > > theme used is supposed to be "gnome". "hicolor" is just looked in for > > backwards and KDE compatibility. > > Where is this default "gnome" theme specified? I had to apply the > patch below to get the $prefix/share/icons/gnome theme recognized by > default. It's no doubt wrong but I don't know what the correct > solution is. The default is set in the schema file for the /desktop/gnome/interface/icon_theme gconf key. It's in the desktop_gnome_interface.schemas file in libgnome. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a deeply religious crooked shaman moving from town to town, helping folk in trouble. She's a virginal tomboy Hell's Angel from Mars. They fight crime! From alexl@redhat.com Tue May 6 09:00:50 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2113188AA for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 09:00:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (alexl@localhost) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h46D0jD16598; Tue, 6 May 2003 09:00:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: devserv.devel.redhat.com: alexl owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 09:00:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Alexander Larsson X-X-Sender: alexl@devserv.devel.redhat.com To: David Adam Bordoley Cc: Danny , Subject: Re: Patch: Mouse wheel on the zoom level widget ;) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Tue, 6 May 2003, David Adam Bordoley wrote: > Alexander Larsson writes: > > > On 5 May 2003, Danny wrote: > > > >> Hi! :) > >> > >> I've done a small patch: > >> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=109996 > >> > >> It allows changing the zoom level with the mouse wheel when the pointer > >> is above the zoom level widget ;) > > > > Thanks a lot. I commited this to cvs. > > Not to come off as an unappreciative nag :) but are you guys still planning > on replacing the zoom widget with a generic gtk style one. I know there have > been a few patches floating around the list and in bugzilla to do this and > the ally team would probably appreciate it :) Nag nag nag! :) Yeah. Thats the plan(tm). -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a jaded vegetarian messiah with a mysterious suitcase handcuffed to his arm. She's a transdimensional wisecracking research scientist trying to make a difference in a man's world. They fight crime! From ben@xsusio.com Tue May 6 11:34:26 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from ms-smtp-01.texas.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.texas.rr.com [24.93.36.229]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 532071834D; Tue, 6 May 2003 11:34:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xsusio.com (cs24162123-191.hot.rr.com [24.162.123.191]) by ms-smtp-01.texas.rr.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h46FYO8b020505; Tue, 6 May 2003 10:34:25 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3EB7D600.2020902@xsusio.com> Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 10:34:24 -0500 From: Ben Davis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030317 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nautilus-list@gnome.org, gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Show Desktop Button behavior Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: When I click the "Show Desktop" button, it minimizes all the windows, but if I open something on the desktop it re-shows all the windows. I'd expect it to leave the windows minimized until I'm finished doing what I'm doing on the desktop. Here's the behavior would I expect it to have (in pseudo-code) Click button { if (there are windows open) { minimize them all; "remember" which ones were minimized; } else { if (there are "remembered windows"); show the "remembered windows"; else do nothing; } } Does anyone else agree w/ me? If not, I would like to create my own patch for personal use. Can someone point me to the relevant source ? Thanks, Ben Davis From julo@altern.org Tue May 6 11:51:23 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mwinf0101.wanadoo.fr (smtp8.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.30]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FC5818963; Tue, 6 May 2003 11:51:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.228] (Mix-Toulouse-209-2-168.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.248.80.168]) by mwinf0101.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id D2650C000159; Tue, 6 May 2003 17:51:21 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Show Desktop Button behavior From: Julien Olivier To: Ben Davis Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org, gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <3EB7D600.2020902@xsusio.com> References: <3EB7D600.2020902@xsusio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Organization: Message-Id: <1052236259.2623.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-4) Date: 06 May 2003 17:50:59 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi I've already done a patch for that. It's on Bugzilla but I can't find it back... Bugzilla is really broken it seems... I'm still trying to find it. Le mar 06/05/2003 à 17:34, Ben Davis a écrit : > When I click the "Show Desktop" button, it minimizes all the windows, > but if I open something on the desktop it re-shows all the windows. I'd > expect it to leave the windows minimized until I'm finished doing what > I'm doing on the desktop. > > Here's the behavior would I expect it to have (in pseudo-code) > > Click button > { > if (there are windows open) { > minimize them all; > "remember" which ones were minimized; > } else { > if (there are "remembered windows"); > show the "remembered windows"; > else > do nothing; > } > } > > > Does anyone else agree w/ me? If not, I would like to create my own > patch for personal use. Can someone point me to the relevant source ? > > Thanks, > Ben Davis From calum.benson@sun.com Tue May 6 11:51:30 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (nwkea-mail-1.sun.com [192.18.42.13]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4960418745; Tue, 6 May 2003 11:51:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM ([129.156.220.69]) by nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (8.9.3p2+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA14068; Tue, 6 May 2003 08:51:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sr-edub03-03 (sr-edub03-03 [129.156.237.102]) by dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM (8.11.7+Sun/8.10.2/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id h46FpQh05359; Tue, 6 May 2003 16:51:27 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Show Desktop Button behavior From: Calum Benson To: Ben Davis Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org, gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <3EB7D600.2020902@xsusio.com> References: <3EB7D600.2020902@xsusio.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Sun Microsystems Ireland Ltd Message-Id: <1052236282.20920.19.camel@sr-edub03-03> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.1 Date: 06 May 2003 16:51:26 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Tue, 2003-05-06 at 16:34, Ben Davis wrote: > Does anyone else agree w/ me? There's a bug open about this which suggests 'yes' :) http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92335 Cheeri, Calum. -- CALUM BENSON, Usability Engineer Sun Microsystems Ireland mailto:calum.benson@sun.com GNOME Desktop Group http://ie.sun.com +353 1 819 9771 Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Sun Microsystems From julo@altern.org Tue May 6 12:01:49 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mwinf0302.wanadoo.fr (smtp6.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.28]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D66E18A11; Tue, 6 May 2003 12:01:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.228] (Mix-Toulouse-209-2-168.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.248.80.168]) by mwinf0302.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id AF7E3C0002AA; Tue, 6 May 2003 18:01:47 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Show Desktop Button behavior From: Julien Olivier To: Calum Benson Cc: Ben Davis , nautilus-list@gnome.org, gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1052236282.20920.19.camel@sr-edub03-03> References: <3EB7D600.2020902@xsusio.com> <1052236282.20920.19.camel@sr-edub03-03> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1052236885.2623.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-4) Date: 06 May 2003 18:01:25 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92335 That's the one I was looking for :) Thanks. From gardnerbiggs@houston.rr.com Tue May 6 13:27:03 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from ms-smtp-02.texas.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.texas.rr.com [24.93.36.230]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10678183D3 for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 13:27:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] (cs2417580-49.houston.rr.com [24.175.80.49]) by ms-smtp-02.texas.rr.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h46HR1nV019839 for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 12:27:02 -0500 (CDT) Subject: 2.3.1 Segfault on startup From: "J. Gardner Biggs" To: nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <3EB7D600.2020902@xsusio.com> References: <3EB7D600.2020902@xsusio.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1052242020.2847.1.camel@gort> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.2 (Preview Release) Date: 06 May 2003 12:27:01 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Upgraded eel and gnome-vfs to 2.3.1 before installing nautilus 2.3.1 Now it segfaults on startup. Am I missing some dep that the configure script misses? Stock RedHat 9.0 system, above installed to /usr/local. 2.2.3.1 worked great! From rees@netnam.vn Tue May 6 13:35:19 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from ns3.netnam.vn (unknown [203.162.7.80]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB7DF180F4 for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 13:35:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netnam.vn (ci75_90.netnam.vn [203.162.75.90] (may be forged)) by ns3.netnam.vn (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h46HbOp18356; Wed, 7 May 2003 00:37:24 +0700 Message-ID: <3EB7F26B.5000706@netnam.vn> Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 00:35:39 +0700 From: Darryl Rees User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Danny Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Patch: Mouse wheel on the zoom level widget ;) References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Alexander Larsson wrote: >On 5 May 2003, Danny wrote: > > > >>Hi! :) >> >>I've done a small patch: >>http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=109996 >> >>It allows changing the zoom level with the mouse wheel when the pointer >>is above the zoom level widget ;) >> >> > >Thanks a lot. I commited this to cvs. > > > Cooool baby cool! Just way f_ing cool. This nautilus thingy is really starting to kick serious arse. Darryl. From mazzoni.perseo@tiscalinet.it Tue May 6 15:25:48 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from eta.fastwebnet.it (unknown [213.140.2.50]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 847BA18846 for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 15:25:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tiscalinet.it (37.0.232.41) by eta.fastwebnet.it (6.7.016) id 3EAF5CD200128DD2 for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Tue, 6 May 2003 21:25:46 +0200 Message-ID: <3EB80C42.1010800@tiscalinet.it> Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 21:25:54 +0200 From: Mazzoni Perseo User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030327 Debian/1.3-4 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: raise opened windows when try to open new one Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hello boy... After so many time i'm using nautilus I think this can be a useful thing to do: If i opened my home dir and I minimized it, when I try to re-open my home dir, for example, nautilus could raise my old opened window.... I think this can be usefull because I find myself to re-open again and again windows opened and just minimized..... What do you think 'bout this idea? ciaooo! -- Perseo Mazzoni www.ProgFree.3000.it www.cs.unibo.it/~pmazzoni ICQ #175133495 From pborelli@katamail.com Tue May 6 16:50:30 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mid-2.inet.it (mid-2.inet.it [213.92.5.19]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD40C1875A for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 16:50:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [::ffff:213.255.92.1] by mid-2.inet.it via I-SMTP-4.4.2-442 id ::ffff:213.255.92.1+TdbT9ncPVSou; Tue, 06 May 2003 22:50:28 +0200 Subject: Re: raise opened windows when try to open new one From: paolo borelli To: nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <3EB80C42.1010800@tiscalinet.it> References: <3EB80C42.1010800@tiscalinet.it> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1052254353.7290.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.2.99 (Preview Release) Date: 06 May 2003 22:52:33 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Tue, 2003-05-06 at 21:25, Mazzoni Perseo wrote: > Hello boy... > > After so many time i'm using nautilus I think this can be a useful thing > to do: > > If i opened my home dir and I minimized it, when I try to re-open my > home dir, for example, nautilus could raise my old opened window.... > I think this can be usefull because I find myself to re-open again and > again windows opened and just minimized..... > > What do you think 'bout this idea? > I bought a book I like, I put it on my desk then I went to the bookshop and bought the same book... maybe someone should teach the bookseller to go into my home, check if I already have the book on my desk and act accordingly ;) The window list applet exist for a reason... beside what happens if _do_ want to open the same dir twice? ciao paolo From julo@altern.org Tue May 6 17:02:50 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mwinf0301.wanadoo.fr (smtp6.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.28]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7D3618277 for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 17:02:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.228] (Mix-Toulouse-209-4-243.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.250.118.243]) by mwinf0301.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 3555E400801; Tue, 6 May 2003 23:02:04 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: raise opened windows when try to open new one From: Julien Olivier To: paolo borelli Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1052254353.7290.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <3EB80C42.1010800@tiscalinet.it> <1052254353.7290.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1052254857.3342.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-4) Date: 06 May 2003 23:00:58 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > I bought a book I like, I put it on my desk then I went to the bookshop > and bought the same book... maybe someone should teach > the bookseller to go into my home, check if I already have the book on > my desk and act accordingly ;) > Well, if it was fast, secure and free, I would LOVE the bookseller to go check in my home if I don't already have the book ! I mean, what sounds impossible in real life is possible on computers. So let's do it ! > The window list applet exist for a reason... beside what happens if _do_ > want to open the same dir twice? The window list is here to help you find minimized apps. But if your forgot you opened your home directory, I don't see why you would have to ne "punished" for that (by having 2 home directories opened) if we can avoid that. The only problem could be if someone really wants to open ~/ twice. But, really, how could this be useful ? From gardnerbiggs@houston.rr.com Tue May 6 17:11:56 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from ms-smtp-02.texas.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.texas.rr.com [24.93.36.230]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 490521894B for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 17:11:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] (cs2417580-49.houston.rr.com [24.175.80.49]) by ms-smtp-02.texas.rr.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h46LBsnV015659 for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 16:11:55 -0500 (CDT) From: "J. Gardner Biggs" To: nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1052242020.2847.1.camel@gort> References: <3EB7D600.2020902@xsusio.com> <1052242020.2847.1.camel@gort> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1052255513.2242.3.camel@gort> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.2 (Preview Release) Date: 06 May 2003 16:11:53 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: (no subject) Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Tue, 2003-05-06 at 12:27, J. Gardner Biggs wrote: > Upgraded eel and gnome-vfs to 2.3.1 before installing nautilus 2.3.1 > > Now it segfaults on startup. Am I missing some dep that the configure > script misses? > > Stock RedHat 9.0 system, above installed to /usr/local. 2.2.3.1 worked > great! Ok, I have determined that my problem lies in that bonobo is looking to /usr/lib/bonobo/servers before /usr/local/lib/bonobo/servers, and that the older *.server files in /usr are creating the problems. So, now how do I get bonobo to look to /usr/local before /usr? In the past (nautilus-2.2.3.1 worked this way) I just added the following line to /etc/bonobo-activation/bonobo-activation-config.xml: /usr/local/lib/bonobo/servers Thanks for the help. From bordoley@msu.edu Tue May 6 18:45:50 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from sys02.mail.msu.edu (sys02.mail.msu.edu [35.9.75.102]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DE0818262 for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 18:45:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bordoley by sys02.mail.msu.edu with local (Exim 4.10 #3) (authenticated as bordoley) id 19DBC1-000HXf-00; Tue, 06 May 2003 18:45:49 -0400 References: <3EB80C42.1010800@tiscalinet.it> <1052254353.7290.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <1052254353.7290.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> From: "David Adam Bordoley" To: paolo borelli Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: raise opened windows when try to open new one Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 18:45:49 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: paolo borelli writes: > On Tue, 2003-05-06 at 21:25, Mazzoni Perseo wrote: >> Hello boy... >> >> After so many time i'm using nautilus I think this can be a useful thing >> to do: >> >> If i opened my home dir and I minimized it, when I try to re-open my >> home dir, for example, nautilus could raise my old opened window.... >> I think this can be usefull because I find myself to re-open again and >> again windows opened and just minimized..... >> >> What do you think 'bout this idea? >> > > I bought a book I like, I put it on my desk then I went to the bookshop > and bought the same book... maybe someone should teach > the bookseller to go into my home, check if I already have the book on > my desk and act accordingly ;) > > The window list applet exist for a reason... beside what happens if _do_ > want to open the same dir twice? > > ciao > paolo > Well if you use open in new window mode, the above described behavior is actually used. Basically he's asking for nautilus to treat folders a little bit more like objects, whether or not this works in the current nautilus ui, i'm not sure. dave From wleggette@gate.net Tue May 6 20:59:16 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EBA11898F for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 20:59:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from user-119bcg3.biz.mindspring.com ([66.149.178.3] helo=[192.168.0.1]) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19DDH9-0003EP-00 for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Tue, 06 May 2003 20:59:15 -0400 Subject: Re: raise opened windows when try to open new one From: Wesley Leggette To: nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1052254857.3342.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <3EB80C42.1010800@tiscalinet.it> <1052254353.7290.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1052254857.3342.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1052268555.23816.16.camel@cyr.kaylix.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.1- Date: 06 May 2003 19:49:15 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Tue, 2003-05-06 at 16:00, Julien Olivier wrote: > > I bought a book I like, I put it on my desk then I went to the bookshop > > and bought the same book... maybe someone should teach > > the bookseller to go into my home, check if I already have the book on > > my desk and act accordingly ;) > > > > Well, if it was fast, secure and free, I would LOVE the bookseller to go > check in my home if I don't already have the book ! I mean, what sounds > impossible in real life is possible on computers. So let's do it ! > > > The window list applet exist for a reason... beside what happens if _do_ > > want to open the same dir twice? > > The window list is here to help you find minimized apps. But if your > forgot you opened your home directory, I don't see why you would have to > ne "punished" for that (by having 2 home directories opened) if we can > avoid that. > > The only problem could be if someone really wants to open ~/ twice. But, > really, how could this be useful ? You're right. There was actually some discussion on this topic in a recent arstechnica article about the Macintosh Finder. The complaint was that the finder (and I suppose nautilus for that matter) should treat folders more like real life objects. The reasoning was that it helped develop muscle memory or something like that. I think this topic may have been mentioned on the usability list too. -- Wesley Leggette From gcgn-nautilus-list@m.gmane.org Wed May 7 02:23:49 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from main.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.224.249]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6166618850 for ; Wed, 7 May 2003 02:23:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19DIJF-00085T-00 for ; Wed, 07 May 2003 08:21:45 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from news by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19DIIN-00082q-00 for ; Wed, 07 May 2003 08:20:51 +0200 From: Michael Toomim Subject: Re: raise opened windows when try to open new one Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 23:22:13 -0700 Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: <3EB80C42.1010800@tiscalinet.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4a) Gecko/20030326 X-Accept-Language: en In-Reply-To: <3EB80C42.1010800@tiscalinet.it> Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Mazzoni Perseo wrote: > Hello boy... > > After so many time i'm using nautilus I think this can be a useful thing > to do: > > If i opened my home dir and I minimized it, when I try to re-open my > home dir, for example, nautilus could raise my old opened window.... > I think this can be usefull because I find myself to re-open again and > again windows opened and just minimized..... > > What do you think 'bout this idea? > > ciaooo! > I don't think this model works when you have multiple workspaces. What if you opened your home folder on a different workspace? When you open a new one, do you want it to switch to that workspace and focus the old window? I doubt it, as that would be really confusing, and would keep you from having access to your home folder on multiple workspaces at the same time. But it's inconsistent to allow new windows to be opened for folders ONLY if the existing windows are on other workspaces. Also, if you want to open two windows (one for ~/pictures and one for ~/work), it's natural to double-click twice on the home folder icon, and then browse to the new directories. I think it would be confusing if the second double-click didn't do anything. You'd have to give some sort of special user-feedback to make the user know why double-clicking again didn't do anything. From mazzoni.perseo@tiscalinet.it Wed May 7 03:40:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from eta.fastwebnet.it (unknown [213.140.2.50]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64B79189B7 for ; Wed, 7 May 2003 03:40:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tiscalinet.it (37.0.232.41) by eta.fastwebnet.it (6.7.016) id 3EAF5CD200133D25 for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Wed, 7 May 2003 09:40:51 +0200 Message-ID: <3EB8B88B.2040208@tiscalinet.it> Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 09:40:59 +0200 From: Mazzoni Perseo User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030327 Debian/1.3-4 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: raise opened windows when try to open new one References: <3EB80C42.1010800@tiscalinet.it> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Michael Toomim wrote: > Mazzoni Perseo wrote: > >> Hello boy... >> >> After so many time i'm using nautilus I think this can be a useful >> thing to do: >> >> If i opened my home dir and I minimized it, when I try to re-open my >> home dir, for example, nautilus could raise my old opened window.... >> I think this can be usefull because I find myself to re-open again >> and again windows opened and just minimized..... >> >> What do you think 'bout this idea? >> >> ciaooo! >> > > I don't think this model works when you have multiple workspaces. > > What if you opened your home folder on a different workspace? When > you open a new one, do you want it to switch to that workspace and > focus the old window? > > I doubt it, as that would be really confusing, and would keep you from > having access to your home folder on multiple workspaces at the same > time. But it's inconsistent to allow new windows to be opened for > folders ONLY if the existing windows are on other workspaces. > > Also, if you want to open two windows (one for ~/pictures and one for > ~/work), it's natural to double-click twice on the home folder icon, > and then browse to the new directories. I think it would be confusing > if the second double-click didn't do anything. You'd have to give > some sort of special user-feedback to make the user know why > double-clicking again didn't do anything. > > mmm.... if u double click your home, naut opens it. when you double click ~/pictures naut will open it in a new window. if you minimize home then double click it again naut will raise your old homedir, when you double click your ~/work, naut will open it in a new windows.... or not? I think a new "mode" is required, or however a new option that can be disabled, to leave the users the possibility to switch to the mode they prefer... -- Perseo Mazzoni www.ProgFree.3000.it www.cs.unibo.it/~pmazzoni ICQ #175133495 From gavrilus@tiscalinet.it Wed May 7 05:24:31 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from alfa.fastwebnet.it (unknown [213.140.2.42]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10B78181AE for ; Wed, 7 May 2003 05:24:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [23.15.109.75] (23.15.109.75) by alfa.fastwebnet.it (6.7.016) id 3EAF5CEF000E2A8A for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Wed, 7 May 2003 11:24:25 +0200 Subject: Re: raise opened windows when try to open new one From: Gavrila To: Nautilus List In-Reply-To: <3EB8B88B.2040208@tiscalinet.it> References: <3EB80C42.1010800@tiscalinet.it> <3EB8B88B.2040208@tiscalinet.it> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1052299464.576.4.camel@Kreuzberg> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.4 Date: 07 May 2003 11:24:25 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > >> Hello boy... > >> > >> After so many time i'm using nautilus I think this can be a useful > >> thing to do: > >> > >> If i opened my home dir and I minimized it, when I try to re-open > my > >> home dir, for example, nautilus could raise my old opened > window.... > >> I think this can be usefull because I find myself to re-open again > >> and again windows opened and just minimized..... > >> > >> What do you think 'bout this idea? > >> > >> ciaooo! > >> If I have to browse with nautilus in 2 different windows I always start clicking on home twice, so I think this idea could bother me a lot. Thmb down :) Ciao -- Gavrila Linux Registered User Linux Registered Machine Powered by Debian[SiD] From julo@altern.org Wed May 7 05:31:39 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mwinf0304.wanadoo.fr (smtp6.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.28]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E230181AE for ; Wed, 7 May 2003 05:31:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.228] (Mix-Toulouse-206-1-172.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.248.213.172]) by mwinf0304.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 6980BA803F9C; Wed, 7 May 2003 11:31:37 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: raise opened windows when try to open new one From: Julien Olivier To: Gavrila Cc: Nautilus List In-Reply-To: <1052299464.576.4.camel@Kreuzberg> References: <3EB80C42.1010800@tiscalinet.it> <3EB8B88B.2040208@tiscalinet.it> <1052299464.576.4.camel@Kreuzberg> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Organization: Message-Id: <1052299875.2663.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-4) Date: 07 May 2003 11:31:16 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Le mer 07/05/2003 à 11:24, Gavrila a écrit : > > >> Hello boy... > > >> > > >> After so many time i'm using nautilus I think this can be a useful > > >> thing to do: > > >> > > >> If i opened my home dir and I minimized it, when I try to re-open > > my > > >> home dir, for example, nautilus could raise my old opened > > window.... > > >> I think this can be usefull because I find myself to re-open again > > >> and again windows opened and just minimized..... > > >> > > >> What do you think 'bout this idea? > > >> > > >> ciaooo! > > >> > > If I have to browse with nautilus in 2 different windows I always start > clicking on home twice, so I think this idea could bother me a lot. Thmb > down :) > Maybe that should do that only if you have only 1 instance on HOME opened and that this instance is maximized. This way, if you open HOME once, then click on it again, it'll open a second window. But if you open HOME once, then minimize it, then open HOME again, it will unminimize the first HOME and bring it to the front (and, eventually bring it to the workspace you're on). If you click on HOME again, it will open a second HOME. If you have already opened 2 or more HOME folders and you have minimized all of them, clicking on HOME again will open a new one because it seems that you WANT to have more than 1 HOME window opened. Doesn't that sound perfect ? > Ciao > > -- > Gavrila > Linux Registered User > Linux Registered Machine > Powered by Debian[SiD] From julo@altern.org Wed May 7 05:36:55 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mwinf0203.wanadoo.fr (smtp7.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.29]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50C22181AE for ; Wed, 7 May 2003 05:36:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.228] (Mix-Toulouse-206-1-172.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.248.213.172]) by mwinf0203.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9EFE310001D4; Wed, 7 May 2003 11:36:53 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: raise opened windows when try to open new one From: Julien Olivier To: Gavrila Cc: Nautilus List In-Reply-To: <1052299875.2663.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <3EB80C42.1010800@tiscalinet.it> <3EB8B88B.2040208@tiscalinet.it> <1052299464.576.4.camel@Kreuzberg> <1052299875.2663.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1052300192.2663.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-4) Date: 07 May 2003 11:36:32 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > Maybe that should do that only if you have only 1 instance on HOME > opened and that this instance is maximized. > Sorry: s/maximized/minimized s/on HOME/of HOME From julo@altern.org Wed May 7 06:01:41 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mwinf0403.wanadoo.fr (smtp5.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.27]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34737184B4 for ; Wed, 7 May 2003 06:01:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.228] (Mix-Toulouse-206-1-172.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.248.213.172]) by mwinf0403.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 495585000215; Wed, 7 May 2003 12:01:37 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: raise opened windows when try to open new one From: Julien Olivier To: Mazzoni Perseo Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <3EB80C42.1010800@tiscalinet.it> References: <3EB80C42.1010800@tiscalinet.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Organization: Message-Id: <1052301676.2663.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-4) Date: 07 May 2003 12:01:16 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I've just filed a bug about that with my proposition. It's here: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=112475 Feel free to add your comments here. Le mar 06/05/2003 à 21:25, Mazzoni Perseo a écrit : > Hello boy... > > After so many time i'm using nautilus I think this can be a useful thing > to do: > > If i opened my home dir and I minimized it, when I try to re-open my > home dir, for example, nautilus could raise my old opened window.... > I think this can be usefull because I find myself to re-open again and > again windows opened and just minimized..... > > What do you think 'bout this idea? > > ciaooo! > > -- > Perseo Mazzoni > www.ProgFree.3000.it > www.cs.unibo.it/~pmazzoni > ICQ #175133495 > From michael@ximian.com Wed May 7 06:04:37 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [141.154.95.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2A6B184E8 for ; Wed, 7 May 2003 06:04:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 6053 invoked from network); 7 May 2003 10:04:36 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO michael.home) (michael@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 7 May 2003 10:04:36 -0000 Subject: Re: (no subject) From: Michael Meeks To: "J. Gardner Biggs" Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1052255513.2242.3.camel@gort> References: <3EB7D600.2020902@xsusio.com> <1052242020.2847.1.camel@gort> <1052255513.2242.3.camel@gort> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Ximian. Message-Id: <1052297965.9142.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (Preview Release) Date: 07 May 2003 09:59:25 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi J, On Tue, 2003-05-06 at 22:11, J. Gardner Biggs wrote: > Ok, I have determined that my problem lies in that bonobo is looking to > /usr/lib/bonobo/servers before /usr/local/lib/bonobo/servers, and that > the older *.server files in /usr are creating the problems. There are several ways to do this; If you're using Gnome 2.3.1 you can have a completely isolated and separate activation environment; just do: export TMPDIR=/opt/otherprefix/tmp export BONOBO_ACTIVATION_PATH=/opt/otherprefix Then (I believe) a new b-a-s will be started for that prefix. HTH, Michael. -- mmeeks@gnu.org <><, Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot From mazzoni.perseo@tiscalinet.it Wed May 7 06:16:57 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from eta.fastwebnet.it (unknown [213.140.2.50]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A3C118218 for ; Wed, 7 May 2003 06:16:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tiscalinet.it (37.0.232.41) by eta.fastwebnet.it (6.7.016) id 3EAF5CD20013A0A8 for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Wed, 7 May 2003 12:16:56 +0200 Message-ID: <3EB8DD20.6050307@tiscalinet.it> Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 12:17:04 +0200 From: Mazzoni Perseo User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030430 Debian/1.3-5 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Nautilus List Subject: Re: raise opened windows when try to open new one References: <3EB80C42.1010800@tiscalinet.it> <3EB8B88B.2040208@tiscalinet.it> <1052299464.576.4.camel@Kreuzberg> <1052299875.2663.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <1052299875.2663.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Julien Olivier wrote: >Le mer 07/05/2003 à 11:24, Gavrila a écrit : > > >>>>>Hello boy... >>>>> >>>>>After so many time i'm using nautilus I think this can be a useful >>>>>thing to do: >>>>> >>>>>If i opened my home dir and I minimized it, when I try to re-open >>>>> >>>>> >>>my >>> >>> >>>>>home dir, for example, nautilus could raise my old opened >>>>> >>>>> >>>window.... >>> >>> >>>>>I think this can be usefull because I find myself to re-open again >>>>>and again windows opened and just minimized..... >>>>> >>>>>What do you think 'bout this idea? >>>>> >>>>>ciaooo! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>If I have to browse with nautilus in 2 different windows I always start >>clicking on home twice, so I think this idea could bother me a lot. Thmb >>down :) >> >> >> > >Maybe that should do that only if you have only 1 instance on HOME >opened and that this instance is maximized. > >This way, if you open HOME once, then click on it again, it'll open a >second window. > >But if you open HOME once, then minimize it, then open HOME again, it >will unminimize the first HOME and bring it to the front (and, >eventually bring it to the workspace you're on). If you click on HOME >again, it will open a second HOME. > >If you have already opened 2 or more HOME folders and you have minimized >all of them, clicking on HOME again will open a new one because it seems >that you WANT to have more than 1 HOME window opened. > >Doesn't that sound perfect ? > this is a good idea in my opinion, it acts better than the option "open all the items in a new window" that nautilus already has... -- Perseo Mazzoni www.ProgFree.3000.it www.cs.unibo.it/~pmazzoni ICQ #175133495 From elle.uca@libero.it Wed May 7 06:40:11 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp3.libero.it (smtp3.libero.it [193.70.192.127]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8A051850A for ; Wed, 7 May 2003 06:40:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp-235-157.24-151.libero.it (151.24.157.235) by smtp3.libero.it (7.0.012) id 3EAD4AC5002F2163 for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Wed, 7 May 2003 12:40:10 +0200 Subject: A couple of troubles in schema files From: Luca Ferretti To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1052235088.19029.4.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2-3mdk Date: 07 May 2003 12:34:36 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I'm updating translation and I find: 1. Sometime, expecially in it's used "nautilus", sometime "Nautilus" (see /schemas/apps/nautilus/preferences/enable_delete and /schemas/apps/nautilus/preferences/window_always_new ) 2. for /schemas/apps/nautilus/preferences/background_color is wrong (use the background_filename one) Actually I've no time to make something, sorry. -- Think bigger My uncle From elle.uca@libero.it Wed May 7 06:42:10 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp2.libero.it (smtp2.libero.it [193.70.192.52]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2E3418577 for ; Wed, 7 May 2003 06:42:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp-235-157.24-151.libero.it (151.24.157.235) by smtp2.libero.it (7.0.012) id 3E9BEBC3007E956D; Wed, 7 May 2003 12:42:03 +0200 Subject: Re: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus From: Luca Ferretti To: Alexander Larsson Cc: Ali Akcaagac , nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1052303262.2241.12.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2-3mdk Date: 07 May 2003 12:35:55 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Il lun, 2003-05-05 alle 17:13, Alexander Larsson ha scritto: > On 4 May 2003, Ali Akcaagac wrote: > > Its seems to be pretty uncommon with people feeling gratitude these days. > Most comments we got at gnomedesktop.org for implementing a much requested > feature were big "fuck you"s, and that sort of thing makes working on free > software pretty meaningless. Yeah, I read it. A really very strange situation. I can understand something like "I dislike it, i want a better one", don't "fuck you, erase nautilus from GNOME": there are no relationship. BTW: IMHO items appears too muck sparse or too muck narrow (in vertical alignment bottom icon overlap top caption), so probably we need a more strict grip, to increase definition (well, it's how oscilloscopes work, dunno if it's the same for desktop grid ;-)) BTW part 2: add a separator between "Align" and "Sort by name" items? I mean: one is a menu-check other is a menu-command, if I'm right HIG said "don't mix them". > Anyway, ignore me, I'm just burnt out and fucked over. True, you are a loser! And, before I forget, fuck you and all people patching/working on Nautilus! :-) -- Think bigger My uncle From mazzoni.perseo@tiscalinet.it Wed May 7 03:54:29 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from eta.fastwebnet.it (unknown [213.140.2.50]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65D5A189B7 for ; Wed, 7 May 2003 03:54:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tiscalinet.it (37.0.232.41) by eta.fastwebnet.it (6.7.016) id 3EAF5CD20013456D for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Wed, 7 May 2003 09:54:27 +0200 Message-ID: <3EB8BBBB.7000008@tiscalinet.it> Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 09:54:35 +0200 From: Mazzoni Perseo User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030327 Debian/1.3-4 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: how about a color block under the icons-text? Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------040304010503060603040608" Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040304010503060603040608 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit With photo wallpapers on the desktop the readibility of icons text on the desktop is small... 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Organization: Sun Microsystems Ireland Ltd Message-Id: <1052317610.3782.1.camel@simcity> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.4.99 Date: 07 May 2003 15:26:54 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sat, 2003-05-03 at 17:20, 张昀 wrote: > Hello, everyone. > > I think we should add right mouse menu at tree sidebar to do general > file functions such as copy, cut, paste, etc. Great minds think alike... I recently opened a bug about this too :) http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug?id=110196 Cheeri, Calum. -- CALUM BENSON, Usability Engineer Sun Microsystems Ireland mailto:calum.benson@sun.com GNOME Desktop Group http://ie.sun.com +353 1 819 9771 Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Sun Microsystems From calum.benson@sun.com Wed May 7 10:45:23 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from kathmandu.sun.com (kathmandu.sun.com [192.18.98.36]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6973A18A4F for ; Wed, 7 May 2003 10:45:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM ([129.156.220.69]) by kathmandu.sun.com (8.9.3p2+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA02285; Wed, 7 May 2003 08:45:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from simcity (simcity [129.156.238.57]) by dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM (8.11.7+Sun/8.10.2/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id h47EjKh26648; Wed, 7 May 2003 15:45:20 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: how about a color block under the icons-text? From: Calum Benson To: Mazzoni Perseo Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <3EB8BBBB.7000008@tiscalinet.it> References: <3EB8BBBB.7000008@tiscalinet.it> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Sun Microsystems Ireland Ltd Message-Id: <1052318704.3782.9.camel@simcity> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.4.99 Date: 07 May 2003 15:45:20 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, 2003-05-07 at 08:54, Mazzoni Perseo wrote: > With photo wallpapers on the desktop the readibility of icons text on > the desktop is small... > I attach a mini screenshot of the area of my desktop I can't read and > the same part of the desktop highlighted.... You can fix this by adding "NautilusIconContainer::frame_text = 1" to your .gtkrc-2.0 file, IIRC... Cheeri, Calum. -- CALUM BENSON, Usability Engineer Sun Microsystems Ireland mailto:calum.benson@sun.com GNOME Desktop Group http://ie.sun.com +353 1 819 9771 Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Sun Microsystems From r.burton@180sw.com Wed May 7 11:02:44 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow053o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.96]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FC9A189C2 for ; Wed, 7 May 2003 11:02:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gallahad.180sw.com ([62.30.118.71]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Wed, 7 May 2003 16:05:35 +0100 Received: from carados.180sw.com (unknown [192.168.1.28]) by gallahad.180sw.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F711100ABC for ; Wed, 7 May 2003 16:06:47 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: how about a color block under the icons-text? From: Ross Burton To: nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1052318704.3782.9.camel@simcity> References: <3EB8BBBB.7000008@tiscalinet.it> <1052318704.3782.9.camel@simcity> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-v+MIEV/VXyybJ4elc16f" Organization: OneEighty Software Ltd. Message-Id: <1052320007.28372.9.camel@carados.180sw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (Preview Release) Date: 07 May 2003 16:06:47 +0100 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-v+MIEV/VXyybJ4elc16f Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2003-05-07 at 15:45, Calum Benson wrote: > You can fix this by adding "NautilusIconContainer::frame_text =3D 1" to > your .gtkrc-2.0 file, IIRC... This needs to be wrapped in a style. This works: style "nautilus-custom" { NautilusIconContainer::frame_text =3D 1 } class "NautilusIconContainer" style "nautilus-custom" Ross --=20 Ross Burton Software Engineer OneEighty Software Ltd Tel: +44 20 8680 8712 Cygnet House Fax: +44 20 8680 8453 12-14 Sydenham Road r.burton@180sw.com Croydon, Surrey CR9 2ET, UK http://www.180sw.com./ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Under the Regulation of Investigatory Powers (RIP) Act 2000 together with any and all Regulations in force pursuant to the Act OneEighty Software Ltd reserves the right to monitor any or all incoming or outgoing communications as provided for under the Act --=-v+MIEV/VXyybJ4elc16f Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQA+uSEH9jD8Pg92xmYRAsosAJ4n08Wk3zGT1m85DrqRXK3xYvzJzQCfW7b0 5tpOHTWKKWxZRp/NygIro20= =yeh8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-v+MIEV/VXyybJ4elc16f-- From pasupathi.duraisamy@wipro.com Thu May 8 06:28:38 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from wiprom2mx1.wipro.com (wiprom2mx1.wipro.com [203.197.164.41]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABDDF18276 for ; Thu, 8 May 2003 06:28:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m2vwall5.wipro.com (m2vwall5.wipro.com [10.115.50.5]) by wiprom2mx1.wipro.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id h48ASS102833 for ; Thu, 8 May 2003 15:58:28 +0530 (IST) Received: from chn-gdy-msg.wipro.com ([10.146.50.99]) by blr-m1-bh1.wipro.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 8 May 2003 15:58:23 +0530 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3154C.8D68B1DD" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: [PATCH] libnautilus.so link problem Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 15:58:23 +0530 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [PATCH] libnautilus.so link problem Thread-Index: AcMVTIy25Y8SEys8QFuhygX1cwMgnA== From: "Pasupathi Duraisamy" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2003 10:28:23.0553 (UTC) FILETIME=[8DB31F10:01C3154C] Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3154C.8D68B1DD Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_002_01C3154C.8D68B1DD" ------_=_NextPart_002_01C3154C.8D68B1DD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, libnautilus.so doesn't link to any of the dependent gnome libraries. 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I think it's very useful a "invert selection" item in edit menu of nautilus... what do you think? :-P -- Perseo Mazzoni www.ProgFree.3000.it www.cs.unibo.it/~pmazzoni ICQ #175133495 From jdub@perkypants.org Thu May 8 13:41:04 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-08.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.40]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6918618C27 for ; Thu, 8 May 2003 13:41:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15478 invoked from network); 8 May 2003 17:29:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO home.perkypants.org) (203.217.69.112) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 8 May 2003 17:29:09 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by home.perkypants.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D29A8C106; Fri, 9 May 2003 03:29:09 +1000 (EST) Received: from home.perkypants.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (katia [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03558-02; Fri, 9 May 2003 03:29:09 +1000 (EST) Received: from lazarus.home (lazarus.home [192.168.10.10]) by home.perkypants.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D02648C102; Fri, 9 May 2003 03:29:08 +1000 (EST) Received: by lazarus.home (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 766D812B6A8; Fri, 9 May 2003 03:29:06 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 03:29:06 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: Mazzoni Perseo Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: another required feature... Message-ID: <20030508172906.GS2836@lazarus> Mail-Followup-To: Mazzoni Perseo , nautilus-list@gnome.org References: <3EBA92F8.7050704@tiscalinet.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3EBA92F8.7050704@tiscalinet.it> Reply-By: Mon May 12 03:28:26 EST 2003 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.4.21-rc1 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 03:28:26 up 5 days, 9:50, 5 users, load average: 0.68, 1.49, 2.01 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030314-p1 (Debian) Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > I think it's very useful a "invert selection" item in edit menu of > nautilus... what do you think? :-P Worth a feature request in bugzilla, if it's not there already. Though I have no idea why you're sticking your tongue out at us. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2004: Adelaide, Australia http://lca2004.linux.org.au/ I used the word 'infrastructure' when describing her cooking style... and she didn't speak to me for a week. From calum.benson@sun.com Thu May 8 13:46:03 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (pheriche.sun.com [192.18.98.34]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39CF018C28 for ; Thu, 8 May 2003 13:46:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM ([129.156.220.69]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h48Hk1Ws008395 for ; Thu, 8 May 2003 11:46:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [129.156.238.57] (simcity [129.156.238.57]) by dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM (8.11.7+Sun/8.10.2/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id h48Hk0h12768 for ; Thu, 8 May 2003 18:46:01 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: another required feature... From: Calum Benson To: nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <3EBA92F8.7050704@tiscalinet.it> References: <3EBA92F8.7050704@tiscalinet.it> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Sun Microsystems Ireland Ltd Message-Id: <1052415959.5316.41.camel@simcity> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.4.99 Date: 08 May 2003 18:46:00 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 2003-05-08 at 18:25, Mazzoni Perseo wrote: > I think it's very useful a "invert selection" item in edit menu of > nautilus... what do you think? :-P I'd be happy enough to see it. But any time I've suggested it before (in Nautilus or anywhere else), somebody argues that it's just as easy to Select All then deselect the items you don't want, as it is to select the items you don't want, then Invert :) So it never gets in... Cheeri, Calum. -- CALUM BENSON, Usability Engineer Sun Microsystems Ireland mailto:calum.benson@sun.com GNOME Desktop Group http://ie.sun.com +353 1 819 9771 Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Sun Microsystems From mazzoni.perseo@tiscalinet.it Thu May 8 13:47:38 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from eta.fastwebnet.it (unknown [213.140.2.50]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00B1818C30 for ; Thu, 8 May 2003 13:47:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tiscalinet.it (37.0.232.41) by eta.fastwebnet.it (6.7.016) id 3EAF5CD20016E55F; Thu, 8 May 2003 19:47:33 +0200 Message-ID: <3EBA983F.8060802@tiscalinet.it> Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 19:47:43 +0200 From: Mazzoni Perseo User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030430 Debian/1.3-5 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeff Waugh Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: another required feature... References: <3EBA92F8.7050704@tiscalinet.it> <20030508172906.GS2836@lazarus> In-Reply-To: <20030508172906.GS2836@lazarus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > >>I think it's very useful a "invert selection" item in edit menu of >>nautilus... what do you think? :-P >> >> > >Worth a feature request in bugzilla, if it's not there already. Though I >have no idea why you're sticking your tongue out at us > 'cause I'm a clown -- Perseo Mazzoni www.ProgFree.3000.it www.cs.unibo.it/~pmazzoni ICQ #175133495 From jdub@perkypants.org Thu May 8 13:56:03 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-06.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.38]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3263E184BA for ; Thu, 8 May 2003 13:56:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 3401 invoked from network); 8 May 2003 17:51:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO home.perkypants.org) (203.217.69.112) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 8 May 2003 17:51:15 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by home.perkypants.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 301B78C106; Fri, 9 May 2003 03:51:15 +1000 (EST) Received: from home.perkypants.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (katia [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03558-03; Fri, 9 May 2003 03:51:14 +1000 (EST) Received: from lazarus.home (lazarus.home [192.168.10.10]) by home.perkypants.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44F3B8C102; Fri, 9 May 2003 03:51:11 +1000 (EST) Received: by lazarus.home (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8D52212B6A8; Fri, 9 May 2003 03:51:08 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 03:51:08 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: Mazzoni Perseo Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: another required feature... Message-ID: <20030508175108.GU2836@lazarus> Mail-Followup-To: Mazzoni Perseo , nautilus-list@gnome.org References: <3EBA92F8.7050704@tiscalinet.it> <20030508172906.GS2836@lazarus> <3EBA983F.8060802@tiscalinet.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3EBA983F.8060802@tiscalinet.it> Reply-By: Mon May 12 03:50:52 EST 2003 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.4.21-rc1 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 03:50:52 up 5 days, 10:12, 5 users, load average: 2.82, 2.94, 2.30 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030314-p1 (Debian) Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > >Worth a feature request in bugzilla, if it's not there already. Though I > >have no idea why you're sticking your tongue out at us > > > 'cause I'm a clown That's as good a reason as any! ;-) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2004: Adelaide, Australia http://lca2004.linux.org.au/ "The Vines are the latest pretenders to the thrown." - Vines review by liv4now.com From b.greiner@t-online.de Fri May 9 18:02:55 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mailout06.sul.t-online.com (mailout06.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.19]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A66A18E09 for ; Fri, 9 May 2003 18:02:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fwd11.sul.t-online.de by mailout06.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 19EFx8-0005Aq-04; Sat, 10 May 2003 00:02:54 +0200 Received: from he-man.he-man.dnsalias.org (320084892880-0001@[217.5.28.217]) by fwd11.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 19EFwx-1k21HkC; Sat, 10 May 2003 00:02:43 +0200 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=he-man ident=tempfile) by he-man.he-man.dnsalias.org with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 19EFyD-0003mn-09 for ; Sat, 10 May 2003 00:04:01 +0200 Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 15:03:38 +0100 From: b.greiner@t-online.de (Benjamin Greiner) To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: strange nautilus rename bug(?) Message-ID: <20021222140338.GA949@he-man.he-man.dnsalias.org> References: <200212211813.AQN66645@md1.ksolutions.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <200212211813.AQN66645@md1.ksolutions.it> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Sender: 320084892880-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sat, Dec 21, 2002 at 07:15:08PM +0100, paolo borelli wrote: > Hi, > I have encoutered a strange nautilus behaviour, and before filing a bug in bugzilla I decided to post here because I'm not sure if it's a bug or if it's my fault: > > when I try to rename a file and I hit the "Del" key to delete the old name before typing the new one the file gets moved to the trash. This happens only in the icon view. > The strange thing is that if I start nautilus from a terminal the thing doesn't happen! Paolo, this also happens in list view, just notice how the file *below* the erroneously deleted one receives the unedited name of the deleted one, making it appear as if the file edited wasn't deleted. I already filed a bug about it - it's 101203. Please add your observations there, as I don't use CVS. Benjamin -- > Wobei ich das Bindestrich Verschwinden auch für ein Un Ding halte. Die Binde Striche werden alle für die unnötigen Apostro'phe benötigt. (Alexander Nald in dafk) From b.greiner@t-online.de Fri May 9 18:03:34 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mailout11.sul.t-online.com (mailout11.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.85]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C564718E07 for ; Fri, 9 May 2003 18:03:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fwd02.sul.t-online.de by mailout11.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 19EFxm-0005hQ-02; Sat, 10 May 2003 00:03:34 +0200 Received: from he-man.he-man.dnsalias.org (320084892880-0001@[217.5.28.217]) by fwd02.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 19EFxf-2ItNhIC; Sat, 10 May 2003 00:03:27 +0200 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=he-man ident=tempfile) by he-man.he-man.dnsalias.org with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 19EFyC-0003mn-06 for ; Sat, 10 May 2003 00:04:00 +0200 Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 18:20:24 +0100 From: b.greiner@t-online.de (Benjamin Greiner) To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Proposal for bug 73937 / symlinks in nautilus Message-ID: <20030112172024.GA1555@he-man.he-man.dnsalias.org> References: <1042342202.2050.164.camel@localhost> <1042357443.1734.29.camel@gideon.rkunet.org> <1042377596.1107.5.camel@discomachinegun.prettypeople.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1042377596.1107.5.camel@discomachinegun.prettypeople.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Sender: 320084892880-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sun, Jan 12, 2003 at 01:19:56PM +0000, iain wrote: > søn, 2003-01-12 kl. 07:44 skrev Rolf Kulemann: > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Perhaps it would make sense to make an option in nautilus's preferences > > so users can choose the behavior. > > The useability team can propose what default option would make sense. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > That really sounds like the "Please unbreak me" option. > > My opinion is that we should do whatever "cd .." does, because that in > reality is what clicking the button really should be meaning. > > On bash I think it does it the way it works now. > /misc -> /mnt/misc > cd /misc > cd .. > pwd gives / Add to the problem this bug: that Nautilus behaves differently depending on whether you enter a directory symlink in the location bar or navigate to it through its parent's view. When you enter it, the symlink's name stays and Up takes you to the directory where the symlink is located, as a Unix user expects it. When navigating there, it resolves the symlink and Up brings you to the target's parent. I hesitate to file a bug because I don't know if this has been resolved as well with bug 73937. Benjamin From greg@virtualcellardoor.com Sun May 11 19:02:41 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp0.adl1.internode.on.net (smtp0.adl1.internode.on.net [203.16.214.194]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3949818748 for ; Sun, 11 May 2003 19:02:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internode.on.net (janus.adelaide.on.net [192.231.203.33]) by smtp0.adl1.internode.on.net (8.12.4/8.12.4) with SMTP id h4BN2csu017685 for ; Mon, 12 May 2003 08:32:39 +0930 (CST) From: "Greg" Reply-To: greg@virtualcellardoor.com To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 08:32:39 +0930 Subject: Additional items in tree view X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.8a, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <3ebed68f.d7c4.0@internode.on.net> X-User-Info: 150.101.246.44 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: sorry if this has been posted I did look through some archives but could not find it. Is there any way to add items(smb: network: burn: etc) to the root of the tree view? Much the same as M$ do in their explorer From alexl@redhat.com Mon May 12 03:46:06 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40E5018673 for ; Mon, 12 May 2003 03:46:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h4C7k0529148; Mon, 12 May 2003 03:46:00 -0400 Subject: Re: Additional items in tree view From: Alexander Larsson To: greg@virtualcellardoor.com Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <3ebed68f.d7c4.0@internode.on.net> References: <3ebed68f.d7c4.0@internode.on.net> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1052725558.4340.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 12 May 2003 09:45:59 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Mon, 2003-05-12 at 01:02, Greg wrote: > sorry if this has been posted I did look through some archives but could not > find it. > > Is there any way to add items(smb: network: burn: etc) to the root of the tree > view? Much the same as M$ do in their explorer Not at the moment. But someone was working on this. I'm currently a bit busy, but soon I'll take a look at his work. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a superhumanly strong pirate dog-catcher from the Mississippi delta. She's a warm-hearted hip-hop schoolgirl with only herself to blame. They fight crime! From alexl@redhat.com Mon May 12 03:47:59 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 152701868F for ; Mon, 12 May 2003 03:47:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h4C7ls529577; Mon, 12 May 2003 03:47:54 -0400 Subject: Re: [PATCH] libnautilus.so link problem From: Alexander Larsson To: Pasupathi Duraisamy Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1052725672.4340.54.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 12 May 2003 09:47:53 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 2003-05-08 at 12:28, Pasupathi Duraisamy wrote: > Hi, > libnautilus.so doesn't link to any of the dependent gnome libraries. > Herewith I am attaching a patch which fixes the above problem. Looks good to commit (with a ChangeLog entry). =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a globe-trotting devious dwarf on his last day in the job. She's a manipulative communist wrestler from a different time and place. They fight crime! From rosselli@ling.unipi.it Mon May 12 06:19:41 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from arno.humnet.unipi.it (arno.humnet.unipi.it [131.114.40.49]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C40318710 for ; Mon, 12 May 2003 06:19:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [81.211.190.243] (helo=ling.unipi.it) by arno.humnet.unipi.it with asmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19FAOY-0001Gl-OH for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Mon, 12 May 2003 12:18:59 +0200 Message-ID: <3EBF7550.8090607@ling.unipi.it> Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:20:00 +0200 From: Roberto Rosselli Del Turco User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4a) Gecko/20030313 X-Accept-Language: it, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nautilus Subject: Re: another required feature... References: <3EBA92F8.7050704@tiscalinet.it> <1052415959.5316.41.camel@simcity> In-Reply-To: <1052415959.5316.41.camel@simcity> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Calum Benson wrote: > On Thu, 2003-05-08 at 18:25, Mazzoni Perseo wrote: > >>I think it's very useful a "invert selection" item in edit menu of >>nautilus... what do you think? :-P > > > I'd be happy enough to see it. But any time I've suggested it before > (in Nautilus or anywhere else), somebody argues that it's just as easy > to Select All then deselect the items you don't want, as it is to select > the items you don't want, then Invert :) So it never gets in... There is at least one specific case in which "Invert selection" would be very convenient: when you have to copy half of file in dirA to dirB and the other half to dirC. Don't know if this is enough to justify it. Ciao -- Roberto Rosselli Del Turco e-mail: rosselli at cisi.unito.it Dipartimento di Scienze rosselli at ling.unipi.it del Linguaggio Then spoke the thunder DA Universita' di Torino Datta: what have we given? (TSE) Hige sceal the heardra, heorte the cenre, mod sceal the mare, the ure maegen litlath. (Maldon 312-3) From calum.benson@sun.com Mon May 12 06:44:15 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (pheriche.sun.com [192.18.98.34]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55B511826A for ; Mon, 12 May 2003 06:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM ([129.156.220.69]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4CAiEWs007145 for ; Mon, 12 May 2003 04:44:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from simcity (simcity [129.156.238.57]) by dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM (8.11.7+Sun/8.10.2/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id h4CAiDh29085 for ; Mon, 12 May 2003 11:44:13 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: another required feature... From: Calum Benson To: Nautilus In-Reply-To: <3EBF7550.8090607@ling.unipi.it> References: <3EBA92F8.7050704@tiscalinet.it> <1052415959.5316.41.camel@simcity> <3EBF7550.8090607@ling.unipi.it> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Sun Microsystems Ireland Ltd Message-Id: <1052736249.5316.100.camel@simcity> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.4.99 Date: 12 May 2003 11:44:13 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Mon, 2003-05-12 at 11:20, Roberto Rosselli Del Turco wrote: > There is at least one specific case in which "Invert selection" would be > very convenient: when you have to copy half of file in dirA to dirB and > the other half to dirC. Don't know if this is enough to justify it. Very true, I hadn't thought of that one... it would be pretty indispensable if you had to do that sort of thing very often, I would think. Cheeri, Calum. -- CALUM BENSON, Usability Engineer Sun Microsystems Ireland mailto:calum.benson@sun.com GNOME Desktop Group http://ie.sun.com +353 1 819 9771 Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Sun Microsystems From rees@netnam.vn Mon May 12 09:59:31 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp.netnam.vn (smtp.netnam.vn [203.162.7.93]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B85E18424 for ; Mon, 12 May 2003 09:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netnam.vn (ci75_151.netnam.vn [203.162.75.151] (may be forged)) by smtp.netnam.vn (8.11.7+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4D41LY01352 for ; Mon, 12 May 2003 21:01:21 -0700 (GMT) Message-ID: <3EBFA930.5020803@netnam.vn> Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 21:01:20 +0700 From: Darryl Rees User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Additional items in tree view References: <3ebed68f.d7c4.0@internode.on.net> <1052725558.4340.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <1052725558.4340.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I know everybody loves the idea of a multi-rooted tree... ...but wouldn't it be more usable (and easier to implement) to have a way of _selecting_ between different roots, rather than using a multi-rooted tree? For one thing, the list of folders in the tree sidepane is already so large as to necessitate a lot of scrolling, having a true multi-rooted tree is going to make that much worse. Seems like having the 'roots' listed at the top with an icon (or something like that), would be much quicker to navigate. Also, some people have talked about having virtual roots based from, say, the user's home directory. In a multi-rooted tree it seems like that might be confusing, compared to only viewing one single-rooted tree at once (Click the 'Entire disk' icon, see the entire disk. Click the 'Fred's folders' icon, see only your home directory - assuming your name is Fred. Click the 'Local network' icon, see all machines on the lan, etc). Darryl. Alexander Larsson wrote: >On Mon, 2003-05-12 at 01:02, Greg wrote: > > >>sorry if this has been posted I did look through some archives but could not >>find it. >> >>Is there any way to add items(smb: network: burn: etc) to the root of the tree >>view? Much the same as M$ do in their explorer >> >> > >Not at the moment. But someone was working on this. I'm currently a bit >busy, but soon I'll take a look at his work. > >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc > alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se >He's a superhumanly strong pirate dog-catcher from the Mississippi delta. >She's a warm-hearted hip-hop schoolgirl with only herself to blame. They fight >crime! > > > From alexl@redhat.com Thu May 15 14:24:39 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4F8A184EF; Thu, 15 May 2003 14:24:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h4FIOY531812; Thu, 15 May 2003 14:24:37 -0400 Subject: Major change in desktop handling From: Alexander Larsson To: Nautilus , "desktop-devel-list@gnome.org" , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 15 May 2003 20:24:33 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I just checked in a large change to the Nautilus desktop handling that I've been working on for a while. Its not totally finished yet, but it seems to work well enough to check in. NOTE NOTE NOTE: As part of this change the directory for the desktop was changed from ~/.gnome-desktop to ~/Desktop. I just wanted to say this first so nobody misses it. The way the desktop used to work was by creating, removing and updating desktop files. On startup all mountpoint desktop files were removed and the home and trash desktop files were updated or created. When stuff was mounted nautilus would create a new desktop file, and when it was unmounted it would be removed. And whenever the trash changed to full/empty the desktop file was rewritten with the new icon name. This has some problems: * All the code handling desktop files was doing synchronous I/O, potentially slowing things down. * If you ran several instances of nautilus with the same homedir you would get multiple copies of the mountpoint icons * On startup nautilus could remove desktop links that the user had created himself, believing it was an old mountpoint icon. * There was no way to get rid of the links, they were always recreated on startup. * If you used homedir-as-desktop the ugly desktop files got put in your homedir. * The code was doing really ugly nasty things. The new system works very differently. The desktop icons (trash, home and volume icons) are all in-memory objects. They are implemented like "virtual files" and put in the desktop view by some deep magic. This gets rid of all the problems of the old system, and allows a lot of nice things. Plus it should be faster. Since the old system stored files on the desktop that will be confusing in the new system we could get a compatibility problem. This problem is especially complicated since you can run both new and old gnome with the same homedir, so we would have to be both backwards and forwards compatible. Fortunately we have long planned to move to ~/Desktop as the desktop directory, so by doing this change at the same time we avoid a lot of problems. There are a couple of things left to do and a few open questions: * We need to do some sort of migration of the old desktop directory. I was thinking of looking for ~/.gnome-desktop/.migrated_dir, and if its not there put up a dialog explaining the migration, and add a link to the old desktop so that people can move whatever they want over. Any other ideas? * With the new system its easy to remove desktop icons. I've even wired up delete on home and trash to disable them in gconf. However, this means we have to add a GUI way to get them back. So, do we want to add preferences for this, or disable it and force people that don't want the icons to use gconf-tool? * Currently we don't have a start-here link on the new desktop. Should we add one? I'm not totally sold on the start-here icon, but its sort of useful (although badly named), and with the new system its much easier to enable/disable it if you don't want it. * KDE also uses ~/Desktop, and they put some special files in there. We need to examine how these interact with Nautilus and how we can avoid confusing the user with these files. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a scarfaced gay card sharp who hangs with the wrong crowd. She's a transdimensional communist doctor trying to make a difference in a man's world. They fight crime! From george@gmsys.com Thu May 15 14:38:03 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from ve7frg.gmsys.com (h24-66-186-212.du.shawcable.net [24.66.186.212]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D2E81826C for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 14:38:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ve7frg.gmsys.com (ve7frg.gmsys.com [127.0.0.1]) by ve7frg.gmsys.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h4FIc06F009715 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 11:38:01 -0700 Received: (from george@localhost) by ve7frg.gmsys.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h4FIc0dg009713 for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Thu, 15 May 2003 11:38:00 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ve7frg.gmsys.com: george set sender to george@gmsys.com using -f Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: George Farris To: Nautilus In-Reply-To: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Message-Id: <1053023879.1807.5.camel@ve7frg.gmsys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-4) Date: 15 May 2003 11:37:59 -0700 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 11:24, Alexander Larsson wrote: > * KDE also uses ~/Desktop, and they put some special files in there. We > need to examine how these interact with Nautilus and how we can avoid > confusing the user with these files. KDE also has a way to move ~/Desktop to ~/ which came in really handy for a colleague of mine who had his Win98 desktop stuff showing up in ~/Desktop. Yes I know that Samba can be configured around this but it's more difficult to change once people are up and running. Could there be a Gconf setting for this? If someone moves their KDE Desktop we might want to be able to track it. Is there any spec on freedesktop.org about this? -- George Farris From sisob@eircom.net Thu May 15 14:55:06 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mail1.mail.iol.ie (mail1.mail.iol.ie [194.125.2.192]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AD5B1818C; Thu, 15 May 2003 14:55:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [194.165.166.48] (helo=m-airlock048.esatclear.ie) by mail1.mail.iol.ie with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19GMwW-0006G9-00; Thu, 15 May 2003 18:55:00 +0100 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: MArk Finlay To: Alexander Larsson Cc: Nautilus , "desktop-devel-list@gnome.org" , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" In-Reply-To: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1053024906.2548.34.camel@dogbert> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 15 May 2003 19:55:07 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 19:24, Alexander Larsson wrote: > I just checked in a large change to the Nautilus desktop handling that > I've been working on for a while. Its not totally finished yet, but it > seems to work well enough to check in. Excellent! > * Currently we don't have a start-here link on the new desktop. Should > we add one? I'm not totally sold on the start-here icon, but its sort of > useful (although badly named), and with the new system its much easier > to enable/disable it if you don't want it. Please-god no. See http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83428 Start-here needs to be removed, and applications:// integrated better with gnome-panel. > > * KDE also uses ~/Desktop, and they put some special files in there. We > need to examine how these interact with Nautilus and how we can avoid > confusing the user with these files. Yeah, kde launchers and device files look nasty in nautilus... -- .--= [ MArk Finlay - sisob ] =--. [ Gnome User's Board : www.gnomesupport.org/forums ] [ Public Key: http://evolvedoo.sf.net/sisobatericomdotnet.asc ] From dave@ximian.com Thu May 15 15:02:15 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [141.154.95.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27E9E1818C for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 15:02:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 29116 invoked from network); 15 May 2003 19:02:14 -0000 Received: from dmz.ximian.com (HELO squee.boston.ximian.com) (141.154.95.1) by peabody.ximian.com with RC4-MD5 encrypted SMTP; 15 May 2003 19:02:14 -0000 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Dave Camp To: atai@atai.org Cc: Alexander Larsson , Nautilus , "desktop-devel-list@gnome.org" , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" In-Reply-To: <20030515183917.25726.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030515183917.25726.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Ximian, Inc. Message-Id: <1053025308.7835.9.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (Preview Release) Date: 15 May 2003 15:01:48 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: That's the point of this patch. Desktop is owned by the user, and displayed by nautilus. It is where users put their documents, downloads, etc. It needs to be user-visible. The patch puts the volume/home/trash links in memory to avoid touching a user-owned directory. -dave On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 14:39, Andy Tai wrote: > This seems to be a large step backwards. The folder > "Desktop" should belong to the user, not a program, or > a desktop environment. If KDE uses it, that should be > wrong to. > > ".desktop" seems to be more correct. > > > --- Alexander Larsson wrote: > > > As part of this change the directory for the desktop > > was changed from > > ~/.gnome-desktop to ~/Desktop > _______________________________________________ > gnome-hackers mailing list > gnome-hackers@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-hackers > From kb@bluehash.de Thu May 15 15:41:20 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from LX5053.heag.de (mail53.heag.de [193.25.234.53]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 582A3180E0 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 15:41:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LX5053.heag.de (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1989A1805090 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 21:41:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from main.davision.com (IP-213157026184.dialin.heagmedianet.de [213.157.26.184]) by mail.heag.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76CF71805085 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 21:41:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from main.davision.com (main.davision.com [192.168.0.1]) by main.davision.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3FFE1F1 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 21:41:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from main.davision.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (AvMailGate-2.0.1.9) id 06781-3DDE4CAB; Thu, 15 May 2003 21:41:17 +0200 Received: from [192.168.0.23] (IP-213157009165.dialin.heagmedianet.de [213.157.9.165]) by main.davision.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99F281F1 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 21:41:16 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: kb To: Nautilus In-Reply-To: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1053027672.15642.17.camel@monkey> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (Preview Release) Date: 15 May 2003 21:41:13 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir MailGate (version: 2.0.1.9; AVE: 6.19.0.3; VDF: 6.19.0.17; host: localhost) Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I don't write a lot to this list, but I read it very interested. > NOTE NOTE NOTE: > As part of this change the directory for the desktop was changed from > ~/.gnome-desktop to ~/Desktop. > I just wanted to say this first so nobody misses it. Please, NO. I can see my desktop, well... on my desktop. There is no need IMHO to clutter up my home with a visible directory. That should really be hidden in a .desktop directory. (Yep, I just read the reply to Andy Tai's post stating the same, but I have to raise my voice here.) karsten -- Hi, I'm a signature virus. Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread! From dave@ximian.com Thu May 15 15:47:23 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [141.154.95.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 792FE180E0 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 15:47:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 31263 invoked from network); 15 May 2003 19:47:23 -0000 Received: from dmz.ximian.com (HELO squee.boston.ximian.com) (141.154.95.1) by peabody.ximian.com with RC4-MD5 encrypted SMTP; 15 May 2003 19:47:23 -0000 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Dave Camp To: kb Cc: Nautilus In-Reply-To: <1053027672.15642.17.camel@monkey> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1053027672.15642.17.camel@monkey> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Ximian, Inc. Message-Id: <1053028016.7841.13.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (Preview Release) Date: 15 May 2003 15:46:56 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 15:41, kb wrote: > I can see my desktop, well... on my desktop. There is no need IMHO to > clutter up my home with a visible directory. That should really be > hidden in a .desktop directory. Users of the desktop often want to get to the desktop from outside nautilus, for example in file selectors or shells. The desktop is a place for a user to store files. The user shouldn't have to know what the name of a hidden directory is to get to their documents. -dave From josh@vitriolix.com Thu May 15 15:52:00 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.28]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7231E181E0 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 15:52:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vitriolix.com (adsl-66-120-160-249.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [66.120.160.249]) by mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h4FJptWf006906; Thu, 15 May 2003 14:51:56 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3EC3EFE4.3050100@vitriolix.com> Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 12:52:04 -0700 From: Josh Steiner User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Camp Cc: kb , Nautilus Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1053027672.15642.17.camel@monkey> <1053028016.7841.13.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> In-Reply-To: <1053028016.7841.13.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: i agree 100% absolutely totally. hiding such a common directory as the desktop does not make me happy... i applaud the change. Dave Camp wrote: >On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 15:41, kb wrote: > > >>I can see my desktop, well... on my desktop. There is no need IMHO to >>clutter up my home with a visible directory. That should really be >>hidden in a .desktop directory. >> >> > >Users of the desktop often want to get to the desktop from outside >nautilus, for example in file selectors or shells. > >The desktop is a place for a user to store files. The user shouldn't >have to know what the name of a hidden directory is to get to their >documents. > >-dave > > > -- ____________________________________________________ independent u.s. drum'n'bass -- http://vitriolix.com From shaunm@wolfram.com Thu May 15 16:24:33 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from wolfram.com (wri-dns0.wolfram.com [140.177.205.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B8DC180F0; Thu, 15 May 2003 16:24:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shaunmlx.wolfram.com (shaunmlx.wolfram.com [140.177.4.220]) by wolfram.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h4FKOTi10117; Thu, 15 May 2003 15:24:29 -0500 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Shaun McCance To: Alexander Larsson Cc: Nautilus , "desktop-devel-list@gnome.org" , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" In-Reply-To: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc. Message-Id: <1053026641.11547.4.camel@shaunmlx.wolfram.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 Date: 15 May 2003 14:24:01 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 13:24, Alexander Larsson wrote: > * KDE also uses ~/Desktop, and they put some special files in there. We > need to examine how these interact with Nautilus and how we can avoid > confusing the user with these files. Mac OS X also uses ~/Desktop, which could be an issue for anybody in an environment where /home is an NFS mount. I know there's not a whole lot we can do to inter-operate, as Apple probably isn't interested. But it would be nice to do something intelligent with any weird Apple stuff in ~/Desktop, even if it's just intelligently ignoring it. -- Shaun From hp@redhat.com Thu May 15 16:31:06 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC951182EC; Thu, 15 May 2003 16:31:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from hp@localhost) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) id h4FKV5L12172; Thu, 15 May 2003 16:31:05 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 16:31:04 -0400 From: Havoc Pennington To: Alexander Larsson Cc: Nautilus , "desktop-devel-list@gnome.org" , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling Message-ID: <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, So Alex - yesterday you complain about list traffic, today you triple-crosspost a thread about ~/Desktop vs. ~/.gnome-desktop vs. "desktop is your homedir" ;-) vote for ~/Desktop ! Havoc From pah06@uow.edu.au Thu May 15 16:33:46 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from beru.its.uow.edu.au (beru.its.uow.edu.au [130.130.68.31]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8249B182EC for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 16:33:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beru.its.uow.edu.au (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4FKXhkq028650 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 06:33:43 +1000 (EST) Received: from inti.its.uow.edu.au ([130.130.37.4]) by beru.its.uow.edu.au (MailMonitor for SMTP v1.2.2 ) ; Fri, 16 May 2003 06:33:42 +1000 (EST) Received: (from sendmail@localhost) by inti.its.uow.edu.au (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h4FKXgHI014174 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 06:33:42 +1000 (EST) Received: from samwise.dsl.uow.edu.au (samwise.dsl.uow.edu.au[130.130.66.26]) by inti.its.uow.edu.au (UWSMTPD 1.1) with ESMTP id 4454819.14168; Friday, 16 May 2003 06:33:39 +1000 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Peter Harvey To: Nautilus List In-Reply-To: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: SITACS, University of Wollongong Message-Id: <1053030817.847.92.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.3 Date: 16 May 2003 06:33:37 +1000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I agree that Desktop is better than .gnome-desktop. However, I'm using my home directory as my desktop right now and plan to in the future. I do this because it means I have consistency between files I access from my desktop and files I access from an xterm. (it also means that I keep my home directory a *lot* cleaner than I would otherwise). How will this patch affect those of us who use their home directory as their desktop? Personally I find KDE annoys me because it decides to throw a visible Desktop folder in my home directory. Will this be the same with Gnome? Will the option remain to not have a Desktop folder? Will applications (file requestors, file browsers, etc.) assume that Desktop is different from Home? -- Peter Harvey SITACS, University of Wollongong From sisob@eircom.net Thu May 15 16:48:51 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mail1.mail.iol.ie (mail1.mail.iol.ie [194.125.2.192]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2C6D180FE; Thu, 15 May 2003 16:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [194.165.166.48] (helo=m-airlock048.esatclear.ie) by mail1.mail.iol.ie with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19GOia-0007iL-00; Thu, 15 May 2003 20:48:44 +0100 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: MArk Finlay To: Havoc Pennington Cc: Alexander Larsson , Nautilus , "desktop-devel-list@gnome.org" , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" In-Reply-To: <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1053031731.19242.0.camel@dogbert> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 15 May 2003 21:48:52 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 21:31, Havoc Pennington wrote: > Hi, > > So Alex - yesterday you complain about list traffic, today you > triple-crosspost a thread about ~/Desktop vs. ~/.gnome-desktop > vs. "desktop is your homedir" ;-) > > vote for ~/Desktop ! Co[$HOME as desktop]ugh -- .--= [ MArk Finlay - sisob ] =--. [ Gnome User's Board : www.gnomesupport.org/forums ] [ Public Key: http://evolvedoo.sf.net/sisobatericomdotnet.asc ] From aes@gnome.org Thu May 15 18:50:31 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from parmenides.zen.co.uk (parmenides.zen.co.uk [212.23.8.69]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D21CA182E8 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 18:50:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 5075 invoked from network); 15 May 2003 22:50:29 -0000 Received: from protagoras.zen.co.uk (212.23.8.61) by parmenides.zen.co.uk with QMQP; 15 May 2003 22:50:29 -0000 Received: from dsl-212-23-23-154.zen.co.uk (HELO sobala.zen.co.uk) (212.23.23.154) by protagoras.zen.co.uk with SMTP; 15 May 2003 22:50:29 -0000 X-Zen-Trace: 212.23.23.154 Received: from [192.168.0.6] (tornado [192.168.0.6]) by sobala.zen.co.uk (8.11.6/8.9.3) with ESMTP id h4FMoRv03436; Thu, 15 May 2003 23:50:27 +0100 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Andrew Sobala To: Shaun McCance Cc: Alexander Larsson , Nautilus , "desktop-devel-list@gnome.org" , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" In-Reply-To: <1053026641.11547.4.camel@shaunmlx.wolfram.com> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1053026641.11547.4.camel@shaunmlx.wolfram.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1053039096.2412.2.camel@tornado> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (Preview Release) Date: 15 May 2003 23:51:36 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 20:24, Shaun McCance wrote: > On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 13:24, Alexander Larsson wrote: > > * KDE also uses ~/Desktop, and they put some special files in there. We > > need to examine how these interact with Nautilus and how we can avoid > > confusing the user with these files. > > Mac OS X also uses ~/Desktop, which could be an issue for anybody in an > environment where /home is an NFS mount. I know there's not a whole lot > we can do to inter-operate, as Apple probably isn't interested. But it > would be nice to do something intelligent with any weird Apple stuff in > ~/Desktop, even if it's just intelligently ignoring it. Interesting point. On my iMac, there's nothing weird in ~/Desktop apart from some dotfiles (which are hidden anyway). Does OS X write non-hidden weird stuff in there? -- Andrew Sobala "A freudian slip is when you say one thing but you mean your mother." -- unknown From jimmac@ximian.com Thu May 15 18:59:39 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [141.154.95.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0946E184F9 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 18:59:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 8117 invoked from network); 15 May 2003 22:59:37 -0000 Received: from peabody.ximian.com (HELO localhost) (141.154.95.10) by peabody.ximian.com with SMTP; 15 May 2003 22:59:37 -0000 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Jakub Steiner To: Havoc Pennington Cc: Alexander Larsson , Nautilus In-Reply-To: <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-uFEoiuDy+AOdKPMGb0Mb" Message-Id: <1053035423.24108.35.camel@aeneas.jimmac.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 15 May 2003 23:50:23 +0200 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-uFEoiuDy+AOdKPMGb0Mb Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable V ?, 15. 05. 2003 v 22:31, Havoc Pennington napsal: > Hi, >=20 > So Alex - yesterday you complain about list traffic, today you > triple-crosspost a thread about ~/Desktop vs. ~/.gnome-desktop > vs. "desktop is your homedir" ;-) I've been using my ~/ as the desktop for a while. However I welcome this new change to have a nice place like ~/Desktop. It will definitely make me switch to the default behaviour again. Rock on! --=20 Jakub Steiner --=-uFEoiuDy+AOdKPMGb0Mb Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Toto je =?iso-8859-2?Q?digit=E1ln=EC?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_podepsan=E1?= =?iso-8859-2?Q?_=E8=E1st?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_zpr=E1vy?= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQA+xAufJZ7hOQ7/NDkRAg9fAJ4ip6ZB5ZXGes8rY0JZ4poraEVZpwCcCIrH +rQaz1qQ0gqs7C9Y1jwZvMg= =VPlR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-uFEoiuDy+AOdKPMGb0Mb-- From sisob@eircom.net Thu May 15 19:11:09 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mail2.mail.iol.ie (mail2.mail.iol.ie [194.125.2.193]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7652185A0; Thu, 15 May 2003 19:11:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [194.165.166.91] (helo=m-airlock091.esatclear.ie) by mail2.mail.iol.ie with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19GRsQ-0005As-00; Fri, 16 May 2003 00:11:07 +0100 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: MArk Finlay To: Havoc Pennington Cc: Alexander Larsson , Nautilus , "desktop-devel-list@gnome.org" , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" In-Reply-To: <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1053038958.2492.31.camel@dogbert> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 16 May 2003 00:11:09 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Firstly, sorry for my rather unhelpful last mail, not to address this seriously. > So Alex - yesterday you complain about list traffic, today you > triple-crosspost a thread about ~/Desktop vs. ~/.gnome-desktop > vs. "desktop is your homedir" ;-) > > vote for ~/Desktop ! If were going to have this argument then I think that now is as good a time as any. One thing we don't want to do is to migrate to ~/Desktop and then to ~/ There are a lot of arguments for $HOME as desktop on bugzilla(94612 i think) and there are a lot of people on these lists who are, like me, convinced of it's benefits. I really don't see how anyone can concider the current situation ideal: You have a desktop that is stored in ~/Desktop, on which you have a launcher to get to $HOME (in essence the equivelent of pressing up in nautilus). Now you are looking at $HOME in which there is a Desktop folder. You click on this and are now looking at your desktop, but in a nautilus window. You are in essence going around in circles. To me this is confusing and bad usability: visually the home folder is on the desktop, ie. it is contained by the desktop, it does not contain the desktop. One thing that gnome really lacks atm is a good heirarchy. We have the desktop, the home dir, start-here:, network:, / etc... and none of them are linked in any sane way. Having the desktop in ~/Desktop really doesnt help. The alternative : $HOME as desktop. People who don't like change (ie. "put those damn buttons back the way they should be" ;) ) tend to say "but my home folder is so full of stuff, i don't want that stuff all over my desktop". But that is trash, these people would be very easily migrated: All you do is create a ~/Files directory and move ~/* into it. Now you have the functional equivlent of a "Home Folder" on the desktop except when you go to your files you are moving down the heirarchy instead of around it in circles. You've also managed to remove the need for the user to learn how the desktop and home folder interact, and instead let them get on with their work. For those of us who aren't afraid to change we can embrace this and use the default folders provided by gnome(in the future), and ones we create ourselves, to organise our files; I think it was Seth, and probably others, who talked about the benefits of software that encourages users to keep themselves organised. The home folder does the opposite of this. Everything gets thrown in there. Every file created, every file download, every e-mail attachment saved. It is perpetually a mess for 99.99% of linux users. But when all these files are coming on to your desktop you have to do something with them. This encourages users to organise consistenly. I can tell you - i really don't miss the days of the monthly sorting of the home folder. Now I have Music, Video, Documents, Projects, Patches, Photos, Images folders on my desktop and as things land on the desktop i sort them to the appropriate folder. So yeah, I really don't see how we can loose. Users who like to horde everything in one massive folder can do that if they like, but I don't think that many will choose to work that way once they've been introduced to $home as desktop. Why keep a users files one click away from them when they can be immediately on hand? Also, to me interpolability with kde isn't a huge issue as it takes about 10 seconds to configure kde to use ~/ as desktop. It's late, so I'm not going to waffle further - that can wait till tomorrow :) I will bid you adeu with the slogan for the Campaign for $HOME as desktop: "Unbreak the Desktop and Free your mind!" Hope some of this made sense.. Maybe someone more elequent will back me up. -- .--= [ MArk Finlay - sisob ] =--. [ Gnome User's Board : www.gnomesupport.org/forums ] [ Public Key: http://evolvedoo.sf.net/sisobatericomdotnet.asc ] From ben@xsusio.com Thu May 15 19:18:25 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from ms-smtp-01.texas.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.texas.rr.com [24.93.36.229]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1257C1892E; Thu, 15 May 2003 19:18:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xsusio.com (cs24162123-191.hot.rr.com [24.162.123.191]) by ms-smtp-01.texas.rr.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h4FNIN8b018851; Thu, 15 May 2003 18:18:24 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3EC4203F.5070809@xsusio.com> Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 18:18:23 -0500 From: Ben Davis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030317 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nautilus Cc: "desktop-devel-list@gnome.org" , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > > >As part of this change the directory for the desktop was changed from >~/.gnome-desktop to ~/Desktop. >I just wanted to say this first so nobody misses it. > This is funny, because I already have a symlink from ~/Desktop to ~/.gnome-desktop.. I personally think it's a good idea, but I also think that users should have the option of changing where their "Desktop" is actually located, instead of having it hard-coded in -- because for reasons we may not know or understand, there are users out there that need it to be changable.. At the very least make the option available in gconf... From mjs@noisehavoc.org Thu May 15 19:18:46 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from chaos.noisehavoc.org (dsl093-167-154.sfo2.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.93.167.154]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BD821892E; Thu, 15 May 2003 19:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mjs by chaos.noisehavoc.org with local (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 19GRTi-0003AR-00; Thu, 15 May 2003 15:45:34 -0700 Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 15:45:34 -0700 From: Maciej Stachowiak To: Shaun McCance Cc: Alexander Larsson , Nautilus , "desktop-devel-list@gnome.org" , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling Message-ID: <20030515154534.A12155@noisehavoc.org> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1053026641.11547.4.camel@shaunmlx.wolfram.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <1053026641.11547.4.camel@shaunmlx.wolfram.com>; from shaunm@wolfram.com on Thu, May 15, 2003 at 02:24:01PM -0500 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On 15May2003 02:24PM (-0500), Shaun McCance wrote: > On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 13:24, Alexander Larsson wrote: > > * KDE also uses ~/Desktop, and they put some special files in there. We > > need to examine how these interact with Nautilus and how we can avoid > > confusing the user with these files. > > Mac OS X also uses ~/Desktop, which could be an issue for anybody in an > environment where /home is an NFS mount. I know there's not a whole lot > we can do to inter-operate, as Apple probably isn't interested. But it > would be nice to do something intelligent with any weird Apple stuff in > ~/Desktop, even if it's just intelligently ignoring it. Mac OS X does not put any weird stuff in Desktop (well, besides the weird stuff it might put in any directory for resource forks and Finder metadata, but those are all dotfiles). Mounted volumes are all virtual in-memory objects, the way Alex has made it work in Nautilus. - Maciej From sinzui@cox.net Thu May 15 19:23:59 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from lakemtao01.cox.net (lakemtao01.cox.net [68.1.17.244]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E714818D9C for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 19:23:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([68.106.102.11]) by lakemtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030515232359.QAYW8337.lakemtao01.cox.net@[192.168.1.101]> for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 19:23:59 -0400 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Curtis Hovey Reply-To: sinzui@cox.net To: Nautilus-list Content-Type: text/plain Organization: i Message-Id: <1053041037.643.17.camel@autumn.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (Preview Release) Date: 15 May 2003 19:23:57 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 16:33, Peter Harvey wrote: > my home directory as my desktop right now and plan to in the future. I > do this because it means I have consistency between files I access from > my desktop and files I access from an xterm. (it also means that I keep > my home directory a *lot* cleaner than I would otherwise). > > How will this patch affect those of us who use their home directory as > their desktop? Personally I find KDE annoys me because it decides to > throw a visible Desktop folder in my home directory. Will this be the > same with Gnome? Will the option remain to not have a Desktop folder? > Will applications (file requestors, file browsers, etc.) assume that > Desktop is different from Home? Things are a lot simpler when $HOME is the desktop--it's obvious and it encourages me to keep organized. I really hate asking this: Will desktop_is_home_dir still be available in gconf? -- __C U R T I S C. H O V E Y____________________ sinzui@cox.net Guilty of stealing everything I am. From george@gmsys.com Thu May 15 19:25:01 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from ve7frg.gmsys.com (h24-66-186-212.du.shawcable.net [24.66.186.212]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57FF318D9C for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 19:25:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ve7frg.gmsys.com (ve7frg.gmsys.com [127.0.0.1]) by ve7frg.gmsys.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h4FNOx6F015377 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 16:24:59 -0700 Received: (from george@localhost) by ve7frg.gmsys.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h4FNOwkw015375 for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Thu, 15 May 2003 16:24:58 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ve7frg.gmsys.com: george set sender to george@gmsys.com using -f Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: George Farris To: Nautilus In-Reply-To: <1053038958.2492.31.camel@dogbert> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1053038958.2492.31.camel@dogbert> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Message-Id: <1053041098.14404.18.camel@ve7frg.gmsys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-4) Date: 15 May 2003 16:24:58 -0700 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 16:11, MArk Finlay wrote: > So yeah, I really don't see how we can loose. Users who like to horde > everything in one massive folder can do that if they like, but I don't > think that many will choose to work that way once they've been > introduced to $home as desktop. Why keep a users files one click away > from them when they can be immediately on hand? > > Also, to me interpolability with kde isn't a huge issue as it takes > about 10 seconds to configure kde to use ~/ as desktop. > > It's late, so I'm not going to waffle further - that can wait till > tomorrow :) I will bid you adeu with the slogan for the Campaign for > $HOME as desktop: "Unbreak the Desktop and Free your mind!" > > Well I like the idea of ~/Desktop instead of ~/.gnome-desktop. I do however use $HOME as my desktop and would be real pissed to see that go away. Other users I've introduced $HOME as desktop however don't always like it and so ~/Desktop works well for them. Everyone has complained about .gnome-desktop until I told them how to make a link to ~/Desktop and then they were happy. Note this is mostly because .gnome-desktop "appears" inaccessible from Nautilus unless dot files are turned on. > > -- > George Farris From aliakc@web.de Thu May 15 19:41:33 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp03.web.de [217.72.192.158]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 567E118595 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 19:41:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [217.82.108.237] (helo=pD9526CED.dip.t-dialin.net) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE 4.98 #232) id 19GSLs-0001wY-00 for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Fri, 16 May 2003 01:41:32 +0200 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Ali Akcaagac To: Nautilus In-Reply-To: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1053042076.25265.7.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 16 May 2003 01:41:16 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 20:24, Alexander Larsson wrote: > I just checked in a large change to the Nautilus desktop handling that > I've been working on for a while. Its not totally finished yet, but it > seems to work well enough to check in. > > NOTE NOTE NOTE: > As part of this change the directory for the desktop was changed from > ~/.gnome-desktop to ~/Desktop. > I just wanted to say this first so nobody misses it. Wow, these are a lot of great informations and changes. I was waiting for long this to happen. Thanks for the great work. The past weeks changes and this one seriously goes into the right direction. Thanks. From shaunm@wolfram.com Thu May 15 21:04:30 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mailhost.bcv1.ameritech.net (mailhost1-bcvloh.bcvloh.ameritech.net [66.73.20.42]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BAF4181A7; Thu, 15 May 2003 21:04:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornholio.housenet.net ([68.22.249.122]) by mailhost.bcv1.ameritech.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.17 201-229-119) with ESMTP id <20030516010429.OBIJ10287.mailhost.bcv1.ameritech.net@cornholio.housenet.net>; Thu, 15 May 2003 21:04:29 -0400 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Shaun McCance To: Maciej Stachowiak Cc: Alexander Larsson , Nautilus , "desktop-devel-list@gnome.org" , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" In-Reply-To: <20030515154534.A12155@noisehavoc.org> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1053026641.11547.4.camel@shaunmlx.wolfram.com> <20030515154534.A12155@noisehavoc.org> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc. Message-Id: <1053047104.3001.7.camel@cornholio> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 15 May 2003 20:05:04 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 17:45, Maciej Stachowiak wrote: > On 15May2003 02:24PM (-0500), Shaun McCance wrote: > > On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 13:24, Alexander Larsson wrote: > > > * KDE also uses ~/Desktop, and they put some special files in there. We > > > need to examine how these interact with Nautilus and how we can avoid > > > confusing the user with these files. > > > > Mac OS X also uses ~/Desktop, which could be an issue for anybody in an > > environment where /home is an NFS mount. I know there's not a whole lot > > we can do to inter-operate, as Apple probably isn't interested. But it > > would be nice to do something intelligent with any weird Apple stuff in > > ~/Desktop, even if it's just intelligently ignoring it. > > Mac OS X does not put any weird stuff in Desktop (well, besides the > weird stuff it might put in any directory for resource forks and > Finder metadata, but those are all dotfiles). > > Mounted volumes are all virtual in-memory objects, the way Alex has > made it work in Nautilus. Fair enough. Note that my comment was more along the lines of "There might be a problem here" rather than "There is a problem here". I just jumped over to a friend's Mac to look, and it seems you're quite right about what OS X puts on the desktop by default. However, plenty of people seem to put aliases on their desktop, and I don't have the slightest idea how those will behave in Nautilus. Frankly, I don't understand how aliases even work, which relegates this entire email to the status of uninformed rambling. -- Shaun From hp@redhat.com Thu May 15 22:05:46 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99DAC184C3; Thu, 15 May 2003 22:05:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from hp@localhost) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) id h4G25hp09495; Thu, 15 May 2003 22:05:43 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 22:05:43 -0400 From: Havoc Pennington To: MArk Finlay Cc: Alexander Larsson , Nautilus , "desktop-devel-list@gnome.org" , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling Message-ID: <20030515220543.A8728@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1053038958.2492.31.camel@dogbert> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <1053038958.2492.31.camel@dogbert> Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, May 16, 2003 at 12:11:09AM +0100, MArk Finlay wrote: > Firstly, sorry for my rather unhelpful last mail, > not to address this seriously. > > > So Alex - yesterday you complain about list traffic, today you > > triple-crosspost a thread about ~/Desktop vs. ~/.gnome-desktop > > vs. "desktop is your homedir" ;-) > > > > vote for ~/Desktop ! > > If were going to have this argument then I think that now is as > good a time as any. One thing we don't want to do is to migrate to > ~/Desktop and then to ~/ My point was kind of that we already had the argument a few times. ;-) Havoc From gkarabin@pobox.com Thu May 15 22:18:17 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from orngca-mls02.socal.rr.com (orngca-mls02.socal.rr.com [66.75.160.17]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A465718158 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 22:18:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pobox.com (66-74-203-205.san.rr.com [66.74.203.205]) by orngca-mls02.socal.rr.com (8.11.4/8.11.3) with ESMTP id h4G2F6L19841 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 19:15:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3EC44A62.8080302@pobox.com> Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 19:18:10 -0700 From: George J Karabin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4b) Gecko/20030507 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nautilus Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1053027672.15642.17.camel@monkey> <1053028016.7841.13.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> In-Reply-To: <1053028016.7841.13.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Is it reasonable to store the path of the desktop directory in gconf? Default to "Desktop", and those who don't like the visible directory can override it. Well behaved applications that need to know the name can look up the key. - George Dave Camp wrote: >On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 15:41, kb wrote: > > >>I can see my desktop, well... on my desktop. There is no need IMHO to >>clutter up my home with a visible directory. That should really be >>hidden in a .desktop directory. >> >> > >Users of the desktop often want to get to the desktop from outside >nautilus, for example in file selectors or shells. > >The desktop is a place for a user to store files. The user shouldn't >have to know what the name of a hidden directory is to get to their >documents. > >-dave > > > From rees@netnam.vn Thu May 15 23:09:55 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp.netnam.vn (smtp.netnam.vn [203.162.7.93]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7342B18AA4; Thu, 15 May 2003 23:09:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netnam.vn (ci75_245.netnam.vn [203.162.75.245] (may be forged)) by smtp.netnam.vn (8.11.7+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4GHBPY09595; Fri, 16 May 2003 10:11:29 -0700 (GMT) Message-ID: <3EC4572F.5080305@netnam.vn> Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 10:12:47 +0700 From: Darryl Rees User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Havoc Pennington Cc: Alexander Larsson , Nautilus , "desktop-devel-list@gnome.org" , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> In-Reply-To: <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Havoc Pennington wrote: >Hi, > >So Alex - yesterday you complain about list traffic, today you >triple-crosspost a thread about ~/Desktop vs. ~/.gnome-desktop >vs. "desktop is your homedir" ;-) > > vote for ~/Desktop ! > >Havoc >_______________________________________________ >gnome-hackers mailing list >gnome-hackers@gnome.org >http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-hackers > > > > Hear hear! $HOME - The simplest, orthogonal-est, non-reflexive-est, sensible-est solution :-). AFAI can see, Desktop has only one thing going for it - KDE interoperability. Has this been raised on xdg? (I've seen it mentioned in passing, but not as an issue in itself). Long. From rees@netnam.vn Thu May 15 23:23:49 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp.netnam.vn (smtp.netnam.vn [203.162.7.93]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69E0F1822C for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 23:23:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netnam.vn (ci75_116.netnam.vn [203.162.75.116] (may be forged)) by smtp.netnam.vn (8.11.7+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4GHPKY10988; Fri, 16 May 2003 10:25:21 -0700 (GMT) Message-ID: <3EC45A17.3030904@netnam.vn> Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 10:25:11 +0700 From: Darryl Rees User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Camp Cc: kb , Nautilus Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1053027672.15642.17.camel@monkey> <1053028016.7841.13.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> In-Reply-To: <1053028016.7841.13.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Dave Camp wrote: >On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 15:41, kb wrote: > > >>I can see my desktop, well... on my desktop. There is no need IMHO to >>clutter up my home with a visible directory. That should really be >>hidden in a .desktop directory. >> >> > >Users of the desktop often want to get to the desktop from outside >nautilus, for example in file selectors or shells. > >The desktop is a place for a user to store files. The user shouldn't >have to know what the name of a hidden directory is to get to their >documents. > >-dave > > > Not a problem if you use $HOME :-) (Also all apps/fileselectors - not just gnome/gtk ones - have a 'home' button. Having Desktop means adding another button.) Long. From hp@redhat.com Thu May 15 23:36:48 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7395E180E6; Thu, 15 May 2003 23:36:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from hp@localhost) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) id h4G3aZT22671; Thu, 15 May 2003 23:36:35 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 23:36:35 -0400 From: Havoc Pennington To: Darryl Rees Cc: Alexander Larsson , Nautilus , "desktop-devel-list@gnome.org" , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling Message-ID: <20030515233635.C8728@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3EC4572F.5080305@netnam.vn> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <3EC4572F.5080305@netnam.vn> Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, May 16, 2003 at 10:12:47AM +0700, Darryl Rees wrote: > AFAI can see, Desktop has only one thing going for it - KDE > interoperability. Has this been raised on xdg? (I've seen it > mentioned in passing, but not as an issue in itself). It has been raised in the past, yes. The solution I'd proposed was a thing called desktop-directory-utils. With Alex's "virtual icons" solution though that's no longer required. KDE has a configurable location for the desktop, including $HOME, so full interoperability there would really mean some spec for where to store that setting. I don't think we can go very far down the "shared config options" route without having a shared config system implementation. Or you end up with zillions of little dotfiles each with their own spec. Havoc From dave@ximian.com Fri May 16 00:33:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [141.154.95.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50C9B1823A for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 00:33:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 22877 invoked from network); 16 May 2003 04:33:53 -0000 Received: from dmz.ximian.com (HELO squee.boston.ximian.com) (141.154.95.1) by peabody.ximian.com with RC4-MD5 encrypted SMTP; 16 May 2003 04:33:53 -0000 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Dave Camp To: MArk Finlay Cc: Nautilus , "desktop-devel-list@gnome.org" , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" In-Reply-To: <1053038958.2492.31.camel@dogbert> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1053038958.2492.31.camel@dogbert> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Ximian, Inc. Message-Id: <1053059606.7835.25.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (Preview Release) Date: 16 May 2003 00:33:26 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Here's my objection to $HOME-as-the-desktop: Nautilus' desktop should be a user-managed space. System-managed files do not belong on the desktop, even if they are hidden. $HOME is the root of the user's writable filesystem. All files owned by the user must be placed somewhere in $HOME (except for special cases like tmp files) - there's just nowhere else to put them. So if you use $HOME as the desktop, you are forcing system-managed files to be on the desktop (even if they are hidden by default). This doesn't make any sense - if a user turns on 'Show Hidden Files', they don't want their desktop cluttered with a bunch of system-managed files. .gnome-desktop was a pain to use as a document directory, because file selectors defaulted to $HOME, and you couldn't get to ~/.gnome-desktop without knowing where to go and typing it in. Using ~/Desktop improves that. Making file selectors default to ~/Desktop will improve it further, in keeping with the idea of the desktop as a place for user-managed files. -dave On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 19:11, MArk Finlay wrote: > If were going to have this argument then I think that now is as > good a time as any. One thing we don't want to do is to migrate to > ~/Desktop and then to ~/ From pah06@uow.edu.au Fri May 16 00:59:56 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from ziz.its.uow.edu.au (ziz.its.uow.edu.au [130.130.68.16]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FFBA180EE for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 00:59:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ziz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ziz.its.uow.edu.au (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4G4xs5H004639 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 14:59:54 +1000 (EST) Received: from chac.its.uow.edu.au ([130.130.37.3]) by ziz.its.uow.edu.au (MailMonitor for SMTP v1.2.2 ) ; Fri, 16 May 2003 14:59:54 +1000 (EST) Received: (from sendmail@localhost) by chac.its.uow.edu.au (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h4G4xsw4014681 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 14:59:54 +1000 (EST) Received: from samwise.dsl.uow.edu.au (samwise.dsl.uow.edu.au[130.130.66.26]) by chac.its.uow.edu.au (UWSMTPD 1.1) with ESMTP id 4485193.14680; Friday, 16 May 2003 14:59:53 +1000 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Peter Harvey To: Nautilus List In-Reply-To: <1053059606.7835.25.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1053038958.2492.31.camel@dogbert> <1053059606.7835.25.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: SITACS, University of Wollongong Message-Id: <1053061191.848.127.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.3 Date: 16 May 2003 14:59:52 +1000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 14:33, Dave Camp wrote: > Here's my objection to $HOME-as-the-desktop: > > Nautilus' desktop should be a user-managed space. System-managed files > do not belong on the desktop, even if they are hidden. > > $HOME is the root of the user's writable filesystem. All files owned by > the user must be placed somewhere in $HOME (except for special cases > like tmp files) - there's just nowhere else to put them. > > So if you use $HOME as the desktop, you are forcing system-managed files > to be on the desktop (even if they are hidden by default). This doesn't > make any sense - if a user turns on 'Show Hidden Files', they don't want > their desktop cluttered with a bunch of system-managed files. > > .gnome-desktop was a pain to use as a document directory, because file > selectors defaulted to $HOME, and you couldn't get to ~/.gnome-desktop > without knowing where to go and typing it in. Using ~/Desktop improves > that. Making file selectors default to ~/Desktop will improve it > further, in keeping with the idea of the desktop as a place for > user-managed files. > > -dave I think I have quite a different interpretation of the situation. $HOME is my first point of access for my files that I want to use. However, the desktop is my first point of access when I want to manage my files. For example, after I have downloaded .tar.gz or .ps.gz (which obviously go into $HOME so that I can use them), I need to sort them (which is what I use Nautilus for). It seems only natural then that $HOME should be my desktop. I do agree that your desktop shouldn't contain heaps of hidden system files. But by the same thinking, when you begin a shell session you *probably* shouldn't be in a directory full of hidden system (and quite sensitive) files either. Although this will never happen, the system files we all have in our home directory probably belong in a separate directory altogether. Maybe $HOME/etc ? Anyway, many people will already have an existing directory structure which they use to organise their files, rooted at $HOME. Desktop thus should be $HOME because, in general, it's easier to sort files downward (into subdirectories) than upward (into parent) or sideways (into sibling directories). Assume I had a directory structured like this: /home/harvey/Desktop /home/harvey/Papers Assume that I then downloaded a file to my home directory. To move that file into Papers I either use bash (byebye Nautilus) or startup a Nautilus window, navigate to my home directory, and drag the file into the Papers directory. If I downloaded the file to /home/harvey/Desktop, the situation is just as bad, if not worse. But, if my Desktop was my home directory, the file I download is right in front of me, as is the target directory. The obvious alternative is to have a structure like this, putting all my directories on the new desktop: /home/harvey/Desktop /home/harvey/Desktop/Papers and have all downloads go to my desktop. However, if I apply this to all my data directories, then after starting bash I immediately have to "cd Desktop" to actually get to any of my files. Essentially, we'd be trying to deprecate all existing file tools (eg. bash) by decreeing that all a person's files must now be in the Desktop directory. For people who like a separate desktop directory, I agree that ~/Desktop is better than ~/.gnome-desktop. But I still believe ~ is better than ~/Desktop. -- Peter Harvey SITACS, University of Wollongong From fworsley@shaw.ca Fri May 16 01:46:38 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from pd4mo2so.prod.shaw.ca (shawidc-mo1.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE5381819D for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 01:46:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pd4mr2so.prod.shaw.ca (pd4mr2so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.213]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HEY00M9GTDJIE@l-daemon> for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Thu, 15 May 2003 23:46:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml2so.prod.shaw.ca (pn2ml2so-qfe0.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.121.146]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HEY00JM8TDJR2@l-daemon> for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Thu, 15 May 2003 23:46:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from falcon (h24-69-57-201.gv.shawcable.net [24.69.57.201]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HEY002EFTDI84@l-daemon> for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Thu, 15 May 2003 23:46:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from falcon ([127.0.0.1] helo=falcon.wox.org ident=www-data) by falcon with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 19GXyr-0004qG-00; Thu, 15 May 2003 22:42:09 -0700 Received: from 207.6.12.155 (SquirrelMail authenticated user fworsley) by falcon.wox.org with HTTP; Thu, 15 May 2003 22:42:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 22:42:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Worsley Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling In-reply-to: <1053061191.848.127.camel@localhost> To: Peter Harvey Cc: Nautilus List Message-id: <1502.207.6.12.155.1053063729.squirrel@falcon.wox.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.0 References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <"20030515163104.H1393 9"@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1053038958.2492.31.camel@dogbert> <"10530596 06.7835.25.camel"@squee.boston.ximian.com> <1053061191.848.127.camel@localhost> Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I also vote for $HOME as desktop. At first I thought that was a crazy idea, but after actually trying it there is just no way of going back. In the olden days when there only was the console your home dir was basically what people now think of as the desktop. A place where you put your files and work with your files. Why introduce a new concept of desktop (or home dir) now? For the sceptics, all I can suggest is that you actually try running with $HOME as your desktop. Originally I didn't believe it was a good idea until I tried it myself. Of course, this is kind of a holy war, so the best thing would be a configuration option to set whatever dir you want to your desktop dir. Just my 2 cents, - Frank PS: If you don't like seeing all the .desktop files in your home dir when you do an ls try this: alias ls='ls --ignore="*.desktop"' PPS: Thanks to Alex and co for applying my url_show patches. From dal.cero@iol.it Fri May 16 02:05:23 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from yattaweb.it (adsl203-148-208.mclink.it [213.203.148.208]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5E676183C0 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 02:05:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 24385 invoked from network); 16 May 2003 06:05:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jigen) (192.168.0.3) by 213.203.148.208 with SMTP; 16 May 2003 06:05:16 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 08:07:33 +0200 From: Massimiliano Dal Cero To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling Message-Id: <20030516080733.1080cb19.dal.cero@iol.it> Organization: YattaWEB X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.11 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Sorry, but : ln -s ~/.gnome-desktop ~/desktop is not correct ? I use this and is very OK. Bye YattA Massimiliano Dal Cero - Bologna - Italy From alexl@redhat.com Fri May 16 02:58:51 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2839A1810D; Fri, 16 May 2003 02:58:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h4G6wm521837; Fri, 16 May 2003 02:58:48 -0400 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Alexander Larsson To: Havoc Pennington Cc: Nautilus , "desktop-devel-list@gnome.org" , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" In-Reply-To: <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1053068327.30862.65.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 16 May 2003 08:58:48 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 22:31, Havoc Pennington wrote: > Hi, > > So Alex - yesterday you complain about list traffic, today you > triple-crosspost a thread about ~/Desktop vs. ~/.gnome-desktop > vs. "desktop is your homedir" ;-) > > vote for ~/Desktop ! I wanted to make sure nobody missed the announcement, but In retrospect I should have set reply-to to avoid the multiple replies. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's an all-American ninja rock star with a secret. She's a disco-crazy cigar-chomping lawyer who dreams of becoming Elvis. They fight crime! From snaggen@acc.umu.se Fri May 16 03:06:04 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from MOTHERII.simovits.com (unknown [195.22.81.34]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0EDA1810D for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 03:06:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xena.simovits.com ([192.168.1.16]) by MOTHERII.simovits.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 16 May 2003 09:09:53 +0200 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Mattias Eriksson To: Nautilus In-Reply-To: <1053059606.7835.25.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1053038958.2492.31.camel@dogbert> <1053059606.7835.25.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1053068989.26716.13.camel@gabrielle.simovits.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (Preview Release) Date: 16 May 2003 09:09:50 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 May 2003 07:09:53.0441 (UTC) FILETIME=[26064110:01C31B7A] Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: fre 2003-05-16 klockan 06.33 skrev Dave Camp: > Here's my objection to $HOME-as-the-desktop: > > Nautilus' desktop should be a user-managed space. System-managed files > do not belong on the desktop, even if they are hidden. I must say that I see your point and I agree that this is how it should be. The problem is that most applications doesn't handle system-manage files and user-manage files differently, most apps store the settings a dot-files in $HOME, but also suggetsts $HOME if a user want to save a file. This is the problem and why this discussion will never die ;) Use $HOME as a desktop improves the usability by letting saved stuff be placed on the desktop, and I doesn't have to use "cd" to get to my "pseudo home". The desktop-dir will however be cluttered with system-managed files, this is a trade-off I'm willing to make. If Nautilus had a way to hide ordinary files and dirs $HOME would make a good default. And if it was default applications like evolution would probably start to hide their files (I know some of the evolution guys are keep saying that they will make it happen, but I still se it there...). //Snaggen -- Mattias Eriksson From Padraig.Obriain@Sun.COM Fri May 16 03:28:05 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (nwkea-mail-1.sun.com [192.18.42.13]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AB461816E for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 03:28:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM ([129.156.220.69]) by nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4G7S2HN013214 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 00:28:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from anymachine (anymachine [129.156.238.95]) by dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM (8.11.7+Sun/8.10.2/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with SMTP id h4G7Ruh02481 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 08:27:57 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200305160727.h4G7Ruh02481@dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM> Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 08:27:57 +0100 (BST) From: "Padraig O'Briain" Reply-To: "Padraig O'Briain" Subject: Patches for nautilus bugs To: nautilus-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: kEXP/G4UEznfpG2xRZfYaw== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 @(#)CDE Version 1.5.3_06 SunOS 5.9 sun4u sparc Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I have appended patches to the bugs 79059 and 193348. I would appreciate if these patches were reviewed so they could be either accepted or rejected. Padraig From alexl@redhat.com Fri May 16 03:52:38 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C12B1821B for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 03:52:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h4G7qa528713; Fri, 16 May 2003 03:52:36 -0400 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Alexander Larsson To: sinzui@cox.net Cc: Nautilus In-Reply-To: <1053041037.643.17.camel@autumn.local> References: <1053041037.643.17.camel@autumn.local> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1053071554.30862.87.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 16 May 2003 09:52:35 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 01:23, Curtis Hovey wrote: > Will desktop_is_home_dir still be available in gconf? > Yes, but it is as "unsupported" as before. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a witless chivalrous vagrant who dotes on his loving old ma. She's a strong-willed antique-collecting barmaid with a birthmark shaped like Liberty's torch. They fight crime! From alexl@redhat.com Fri May 16 03:59:37 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 630901836C for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 03:59:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h4G7xX529880; Fri, 16 May 2003 03:59:33 -0400 Subject: Re: Patches for nautilus bugs From: Alexander Larsson To: "Padraig O'Briain" Cc: Nautilus In-Reply-To: <200305160727.h4G7Ruh02481@dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM> References: <200305160727.h4G7Ruh02481@dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1053071971.30862.90.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 16 May 2003 09:59:32 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 09:27, Padraig O'Briain wrote: > I have appended patches to the bugs 79059 and 193348. I would appreciate if > these patches were reviewed so they could be either accepted or rejected. I've been a bit busy with the desktop changes, so I haven't had time to look at bugzilla recently. Sorry about that. I commented on the first patch, but there seems to be no bug 193348. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a scarfaced misogynist vampire hunter searching for his wife's true killer. She's a manipulative tomboy widow married to the Mob. They fight crime! From rees@netnam.vn Fri May 16 04:04:29 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp.netnam.vn (smtp.netnam.vn [203.162.7.93]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2775718333; Fri, 16 May 2003 04:04:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netnam.vn (ci75_84.netnam.vn [203.162.75.84] (may be forged)) by smtp.netnam.vn (8.11.7+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4GM6NY11045; Fri, 16 May 2003 15:06:23 -0700 (GMT) Message-ID: <3EC49C28.9000306@netnam.vn> Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 15:07:04 +0700 From: Darryl Rees User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Nautilus , "desktop-devel-list@gnome.org" , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1053038958.2492.31.camel@dogbert> <1053059606.7835.25.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> In-Reply-To: <1053059606.7835.25.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Dave Camp wrote: >So if you use $HOME as the desktop, you are forcing system-managed files >to be on the desktop (even if they are hidden by default). This doesn't >make any sense - if a user turns on 'Show Hidden Files', they don't want >their desktop cluttered with a bunch of system-managed files. > > OK. But surely hidden files are meant to be hidden? If you want to have some of your hidden files 'visible' then you're introducing a whole wierd ontology of hiddenness. There must be a better way. OTOH, trying to rationalize a _semantic difference_ for ~ and ~/Desktop seems kind of artificial. They are both a 'HOME' directory in some sense. Just the fact that you need to put reflexive links between them should indicate something. >.gnome-desktop was a pain to use as a document directory, because file >selectors defaulted to $HOME, and you couldn't get to ~/.gnome-desktop >without knowing where to go and typing it in. Using ~/Desktop improves >that. Making file selectors default to ~/Desktop will improve it >further, in keeping with the idea of the desktop as a place for >user-managed files. > >-dave > The premises in this paragraph almost sounds like you're arguing for $HOME, but then you reached the wrong conclusion :-). OK, sorry I'm being a total dick. Seriously, how are the files in $HOME not user-managed? Are you saying that $HOME is for system files, ~/Desktop is for all user files? That just seems the wrong way around for me, and maybe that is the heart of the matter. I just feel $HOME as desktop makes the desktop metaphor conceptually simpler and cleaner, sorry to harp on. Also want to thank Alexander Larson for those latest patches - they seem like a really great step forward, regardless of this issue. Thanks Alex. Cheers, Long From Padraig.Obriain@sun.com Fri May 16 04:10:15 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C485D18333 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 04:10:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM ([129.156.220.69]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4G8ACsa009165; Fri, 16 May 2003 02:10:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anymachine (anymachine [129.156.238.95]) by dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM (8.11.7+Sun/8.10.2/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with SMTP id h4G8ABh12741; Fri, 16 May 2003 09:10:11 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200305160810.h4G8ABh12741@dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM> Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 09:10:11 +0100 (BST) From: "Padraig O'Briain" Reply-To: "Padraig O'Briain" Subject: Re: Patches for nautilus bugs To: Padraig.Obriain@sun.com, alexl@redhat.com Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: 0GCQhHqJVoGpNuE8D60dzQ== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 @(#)CDE Version 1.5.3_06 SunOS 5.9 sun4u sparc Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Sorry about the typo. It should be 103348. Padraig > Subject: Re: Patches for nautilus bugs > To: "Padraig O'Briain" > Cc: Nautilus > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 09:27, Padraig O'Briain wrote: > > I have appended patches to the bugs 79059 and 193348. I would appreciate if > > these patches were reviewed so they could be either accepted or rejected. > > I've been a bit busy with the desktop changes, so I haven't had time to > look at bugzilla recently. Sorry about that. > > I commented on the first patch, but there seems to be no bug 193348. > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc > alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se > He's a scarfaced misogynist vampire hunter searching for his wife's true > killer. She's a manipulative tomboy widow married to the Mob. They fight > crime! > From tigert@ximian.com Fri May 16 04:25:35 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [141.154.95.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF29218322 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 04:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 310 invoked from network); 16 May 2003 08:25:33 -0000 Received: from peabody.ximian.com (HELO localhost) (141.154.95.10) by peabody.ximian.com with SMTP; 16 May 2003 08:25:33 -0000 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Tuomas Kuosmanen To: Dave Camp Cc: MArk Finlay , Nautilus List , "desktop-devel-list@gnome.org" , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" In-Reply-To: <1053059606.7835.25.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1053038958.2492.31.camel@dogbert> <1053059606.7835.25.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1053073545.12516.148.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.4 Date: 16 May 2003 11:25:46 +0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 07:33, Dave Camp wrote: > Here's my objection to $HOME-as-the-desktop: [thoughtful reasoning zapped] I agree with Dave here. This might be a shock for a lot of people who remember me as one of the big "home-as-desktop" -guys. I still like the idea a lot, but as a general default setup this makes a ton of sense since it is just more familiar, and after all, not that painful either. I have done the symlink fun again and been using ~/Desktop for a few weeks now and it is pretty okay. Just being able to find the desktop dir in fileselectors removes most of the pain :) Things that would be nice to have still: * A desktop button in the file selector, as well as a Home button. We really do need a good file selector with bookmarks and gnome-vfs support. The gtk filesel is not that bad, but it just lacks everything but the very basic functionality. * Even more speed for Nautilus, this has improved dramatically and the slowness was one of the reasons I know that drove me to find solutions to find my files faster. But still, under moderate system load opening folders can get slow. I guess this is unavoidable too, but it still sucks to be the user at that point. So, I support what Alex and Dave proposed. When we get a good file open/save dialog it is even better, but I am not holding my breath this time.. I just hope it doesnt take another 5 years :) Tuomas -- Tuomas Kuosmanen | tigert@ximian.com | www.ximian.com From michael@ximian.com Fri May 16 05:19:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [141.154.95.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B90B918B66 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 05:19:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2700 invoked from network); 16 May 2003 09:19:53 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO michael.home) (michael@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 16 May 2003 09:19:53 -0000 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Michael Meeks To: Alex Larsson Cc: Nautilus In-Reply-To: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Ximian. Message-Id: <1053076465.11246.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 16 May 2003 10:14:25 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi Alex, On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 19:24, Alexander Larsson wrote: > The new system works very differently. The desktop icons (trash, home > and volume icons) are all in-memory objects. They are implemented like > "virtual files" and put in the desktop view by some deep magic. This is great work; however - for those who love to re-write everything; how easy is it going to be to cut and paste this into the new file selector code ;-( Or in other words; is the deep magic at the gnome-vfs level ? Good stuff though, Michael. -- mmeeks@gnu.org <><, Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot From dave@ximian.com Fri May 16 09:00:01 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [141.154.95.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F4FC18642 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 09:00:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 12450 invoked from network); 16 May 2003 13:00:00 -0000 Received: from dmz.ximian.com (HELO squee.boston.ximian.com) (141.154.95.1) by peabody.ximian.com with RC4-MD5 encrypted SMTP; 16 May 2003 13:00:00 -0000 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Dave Camp To: Darryl Rees Cc: Nautilus , "desktop-devel-list@gnome.org" , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" In-Reply-To: <3EC49C28.9000306@netnam.vn> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1053038958.2492.31.camel@dogbert> <1053059606.7835.25.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> <3EC49C28.9000306@netnam.vn> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Ximian, Inc. Message-Id: <1053089973.7842.35.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (Preview Release) Date: 16 May 2003 08:59:34 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 04:07, Darryl Rees wrote: > Seriously, how are the files in $HOME not user-managed? Are you saying > that $HOME is for system files, ~/Desktop is for all user files? That > just seems the wrong way around for me, and maybe that is the heart of > the matter. Take, for example, ~/.gconf. If you edit those yourself, you're probably in trouble. ~/.gnome2 doesn't contain documents created by the user. -dave From julo@altern.org Fri May 16 09:19:14 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mwinf0204.wanadoo.fr (smtp7.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.29]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0444218641; Fri, 16 May 2003 09:19:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.228] (unknown [193.248.214.182]) by mwinf0204.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0149EA0001A6; Fri, 16 May 2003 15:18:46 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Julien Olivier To: Havoc Pennington Cc: Alexander Larsson , Nautilus , "desktop-devel-list@gnome.org" , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" In-Reply-To: <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Organization: Message-Id: <1053090999.3001.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-4) Date: 16 May 2003 15:16:40 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Le jeu 15/05/2003 à 22:31, Havoc Pennington a écrit : > Hi, > > So Alex - yesterday you complain about list traffic, today you > triple-crosspost a thread about ~/Desktop vs. ~/.gnome-desktop > vs. "desktop is your homedir" ;-) > > vote for ~/Desktop ! > $HOME as desktop please :) > Havoc > _______________________________________________ > desktop-devel-list mailing list > desktop-devel-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list From abe@fettig.net Fri May 16 09:40:57 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mingus (twmaine-63-167-211-226.twmaine.com [63.167.211.226]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9019F18641; Fri, 16 May 2003 09:40:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mingus ([127.0.0.1] helo=localhost) by mingus with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 19GfUC-0000DH-00; Fri, 16 May 2003 09:43:00 -0400 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Abe Fettig To: Havoc Pennington Cc: Nautilus , "desktop-devel-list@gnome.org" , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" In-Reply-To: <20030515220543.A8728@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1053038958.2492.31.camel@dogbert> <20030515220543.A8728@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1053092578.798.7.camel@mingus> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.1 (Preview Release) Date: 16 May 2003 09:42:59 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 22:05, Havoc Pennington wrote: > On Fri, May 16, 2003 at 12:11:09AM +0100, MArk Finlay wrote: > > If were going to have this argument then I think that now is as > > good a time as any. One thing we don't want to do is to migrate to > > ~/Desktop and then to ~/ > > My point was kind of that we already had the argument a few times. ;-) I don't know if this will make any difference, but I just have to say it: Please DO SOME USABILITY TESTING on this!!! As in, pick a few users, with different experience and OS backgrounds, have them sit down and use Nautilus with home-as-desktop and ~/Desktop-as-desktop, and see how they like it. It would only take a few minutes with each user. Have them download a file, save it to disk, and then open it. Have them create a "Documents" directory, open Abiword, and save to the directory they created. And so forth. You're sure to find some interesting results that will let you make an educated decision on this. For the record, I've used home-as-desktop for the past year or so, and I love it. But I'm a software developer with years of experience using Linux as my everyday desktop OS, so I don't think my opinions necessarily reflect those of the average user. Abe From alexl@redhat.com Fri May 16 09:55:31 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A7CE18641 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 09:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h4GDtT511250; Fri, 16 May 2003 09:55:29 -0400 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Alexander Larsson To: Michael Meeks Cc: Nautilus In-Reply-To: <1053076465.11246.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1053076465.11246.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1053093327.11180.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 16 May 2003 15:55:28 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 11:14, Michael Meeks wrote: > Hi Alex, > > On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 19:24, Alexander Larsson wrote: > > The new system works very differently. The desktop icons (trash, home > > and volume icons) are all in-memory objects. They are implemented like > > "virtual files" and put in the desktop view by some deep magic. > > This is great work; however - for those who love to re-write > everything; how easy is it going to be to cut and paste this into the > new file selector code ;-( > > Or in other words; is the deep magic at the gnome-vfs level ? No. The deep magic is just in nautilus internals. It should be easy to do in a file selector though. The hard part is the volume monitor. At some time we should possibly move that down the stack, although with the horrible mess it is now I don't like that idea. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a bookish gay cowboy haunted by an iconic dead American confidante She's a brilliant blonde femme fatale who can talk to animals. They fight crime! From snaggen@acc.umu.se Fri May 16 09:57:02 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from MOTHERII.simovits.com (unknown [195.22.81.34]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48EDF18DF7 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 09:57:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xena.simovits.com ([192.168.1.16]) by MOTHERII.simovits.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 16 May 2003 16:00:55 +0200 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Mattias Eriksson To: Nautilus In-Reply-To: <1053092578.798.7.camel@mingus> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1053038958.2492.31.camel@dogbert> <20030515220543.A8728@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1053092578.798.7.camel@mingus> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1053093650.31490.15.camel@gabrielle.simovits.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (Preview Release) Date: 16 May 2003 16:00:51 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 May 2003 14:00:55.0595 (UTC) FILETIME=[91D04FB0:01C31BB3] Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: fre 2003-05-16 klockan 15.42 skrev Abe Fettig: > On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 22:05, Havoc Pennington wrote: > > On Fri, May 16, 2003 at 12:11:09AM +0100, MArk Finlay wrote: > > > If were going to have this argument then I think that now is as > > > good a time as any. One thing we don't want to do is to migrate to > > > ~/Desktop and then to ~/ > > > > My point was kind of that we already had the argument a few times. ;-) > > I don't know if this will make any difference, but I just have to say > it: > > Please DO SOME USABILITY TESTING on this!!! First I must say that the changes Alex has done is a great improvement, ~/Desktop is alot better than ~/.gnome-desktop (And I think we all agree on this). The discussion have however turned into the usual $HOME as desktop long threaded discussion with no end. And since we are never going to agree on this, I suggest the following: 1. File and fix bugs to impove $HOME as Desktop - It's not currently ready for primetime (You must be able to hide dirs, it is confusing that some dirs just appears). 2. When $HOME is ready for primetime, a usability testing should be done, as suggested by Abe. 3. Make a decition based on the usability testing and stand by it. One of the current problem is that there are no formal decission on this, so people pro $HOME as desktop (like me...) tend to take every chance to start a long thread about it... //Snaggen From julo@altern.org Fri May 16 09:58:43 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mwinf0601.wanadoo.fr (smtp3.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.25]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68BAC18E07; Fri, 16 May 2003 09:58:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.228] (unknown [193.248.214.182]) by mwinf0601.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 8E6893400149; Fri, 16 May 2003 15:58:41 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Julien Olivier To: Havoc Pennington Cc: MArk Finlay , Alexander Larsson , Nautilus , "desktop-devel-list@gnome.org" , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" In-Reply-To: <20030515220543.A8728@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1053038958.2492.31.camel@dogbert> <20030515220543.A8728@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Organization: Message-Id: <1053093416.3001.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-4) Date: 16 May 2003 15:56:56 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Le ven 16/05/2003 à 04:05, Havoc Pennington a écrit : > On Fri, May 16, 2003 at 12:11:09AM +0100, MArk Finlay wrote: > > Firstly, sorry for my rather unhelpful last mail, > > not to address this seriously. > > > > > So Alex - yesterday you complain about list traffic, today you > > > triple-crosspost a thread about ~/Desktop vs. ~/.gnome-desktop > > > vs. "desktop is your homedir" ;-) > > > > > > vote for ~/Desktop ! > > > > If were going to have this argument then I think that now is as > > good a time as any. One thing we don't want to do is to migrate to > > ~/Desktop and then to ~/ > > My point was kind of that we already had the argument a few times. ;-) > Well, once I asked why Nautilus used ~/.gnome-desktop instead of ~/Desktop and I was answered that this topic had been discussed again and again and that it had decided that it (~/.gnome-desktop) was obviously the best choice. So, sometimes, it's good to have arguments again and again as opinions can change with time. > Havoc > _______________________________________________ > desktop-devel-list mailing list > desktop-devel-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list From bordoley@msu.edu Fri May 16 10:03:07 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from sys09.mail.msu.edu (sys09.mail.msu.edu [35.9.75.109]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BFFE1863A; Fri, 16 May 2003 10:03:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bordoley by sys09.mail.msu.edu with local (Exim 4.10 #3) (authenticated as bordoley) id 19Gfnd-0002ef-00; Fri, 16 May 2003 10:03:05 -0400 References: <20030515183917.25726.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> <1053077608.2298.14.camel@scabbers.hallendal.net> In-Reply-To: <1053077608.2298.14.camel@scabbers.hallendal.net> From: "David Adam Bordoley" To: Mikael Hallendal Cc: atai@atai.org, Alexander Larsson , Nautilus , GNOME Desktop Devel , GNOME Hackers Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 10:03:05 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Mikael Hallendal writes: > tor 2003-05-15 klockan 20.39 skrev Andy Tai: >> This seems to be a large step backwards. The folder >> "Desktop" should belong to the user, not a program, or >> a desktop environment. If KDE uses it, that should be >> wrong to. > > This discussion has been held several times. I don't know if anything > was decided since I quit reading the threads. People will always have > different opinions about this issue. In the end, maintainer decides, if > you (or anyone else that chooses to make a long thread about this) > wanted to make the decision you should have played an active role in the > nautilus development. > > Love to Alex and Dave for taking this ungrateful job of maintaining the > module where nothing can be released without getting lots of flames > back. You do a great work, keep rocking!! > I want to second this sentiment. I personally disagree with the decision, but in the end it is the maintainers decision as to what will be implemented. The length of this thread is obscene. The maints have made a decision find something else to flame about please. dave From george@gmsys.com Fri May 16 11:55:31 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from ve7frg.gmsys.com (h24-66-186-212.du.shawcable.net [24.66.186.212]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D15EA18E3D for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 11:55:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ve7frg.gmsys.com (ve7frg.gmsys.com [127.0.0.1]) by ve7frg.gmsys.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h4GFtU6F018354 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 08:55:30 -0700 Received: (from george@localhost) by ve7frg.gmsys.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h4GFtTrS018352 for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Fri, 16 May 2003 08:55:29 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ve7frg.gmsys.com: george set sender to george@gmsys.com using -f Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: George Farris To: Nautilus In-Reply-To: <1053093650.31490.15.camel@gabrielle.simovits.com> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1053038958.2492.31.camel@dogbert> <20030515220543.A8728@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1053092578.798.7.camel@mingus> <1053093650.31490.15.camel@gabrielle.simovits.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Message-Id: <1053100528.18252.7.camel@ve7frg.gmsys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-4) Date: 16 May 2003 08:55:29 -0700 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 07:00, Mattias Eriksson wrote: > First I must say that the changes Alex has done is a great improvement, > ~/Desktop is alot better than ~/.gnome-desktop (And I think we all agree > on this). > > The discussion have however turned into the usual $HOME as desktop long > threaded discussion with no end. And since we are never going to agree > on this, I suggest the following: > > 1. File and fix bugs to impove $HOME as Desktop - It's not currently > ready for primetime (You must be able to hide dirs, it is confusing that > some dirs just appears). > > 2. When $HOME is ready for primetime, a usability testing should be > done, as suggested by Abe. > > 3. Make a decition based on the usability testing and stand by it. One > of the current problem is that there are no formal decission on this, so > people pro $HOME as desktop (like me...) tend to take every chance to > start a long thread about it... > > //Snaggen The one thing I get out of this whole thread is that people **want** to have a choice of where their desktop resides, $HOME or ~/Desktop or ~/.desktop or whatever. I see no reason why a simple GConf key can't solve this with a default to ~/Desktop. This allows us power users to still have $HOME as desktop. Could an explanation be given why a GConf key wouldn't work, after all just because we can't foresee a very necessary reason to change the desktop, doesn't mean it won't appear. -- George Farris From sisob@eircom.net Fri May 16 13:07:12 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mail1.mail.iol.ie (mail1.mail.iol.ie [194.125.2.192]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07BD218629; Fri, 16 May 2003 13:07:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [194.165.164.71] (helo=k-airlock071.esatclear.ie) by mail1.mail.iol.ie with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19Ghjd-0001DM-00; Fri, 16 May 2003 17:07:05 +0100 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: MArk Finlay To: Dave Camp Cc: Nautilus , "desktop-devel-list@gnome.org" , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" In-Reply-To: <1053059606.7835.25.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1053038958.2492.31.camel@dogbert> <1053059606.7835.25.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1053104779.2493.40.camel@dogbert> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 16 May 2003 18:07:15 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I agree that this argument is not likely to go anywhere so I'm going to try and make this my last post on the subject. On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 05:33, Dave Camp wrote: > Here's my objection to $HOME-as-the-desktop: > > Nautilus' desktop should be a user-managed space. System-managed files > do not belong on the desktop, even if they are hidden. To me this is a non-argument. If you cannot see the files then they are not going to hurt you in any way. > So if you use $HOME as the desktop, you are forcing system-managed files > to be on the desktop (even if they are hidden by default). This doesn't > make any sense - if a user turns on 'Show Hidden Files', they don't want > their desktop cluttered with a bunch of system-managed files. Well there is now way of seeing dotfiles on the desktop atm and I don't see why that would ever change. The only hidden files you would ever want to view on the desktop are files that are hidden by nautilus (if/when it gains that functionality). > .gnome-desktop was a pain to use as a document directory, because file > selectors defaulted to $HOME, and you couldn't get to ~/.gnome-desktop > without knowing where to go and typing it in. Using ~/Desktop improves > that. Making file selectors default to ~/Desktop will improve it > further, in keeping with the idea of the desktop as a place for > user-managed files. Yeah, but there are still going to be non-gnome files selectors and the command line. To me using ~/Desktop for user files seem like a workaround instead of a solution. Just because the file selector defaults to ~/Desktop does not negate the fact that we are presenting the user with both ~/Desktop and $HOME and some applications will use one and some will use the other. You say that $HOME should not be the desktop because it has has system-managed file in it? Why is this any different from the way we work now. We have an icon on the desktop that says "home folder", encouraging users to store their files there, along with the system-managed files. I don't see how this is any different from $HOME as desktop, or how it is an argument against it: either way we have a mix of system and user files, and no-one really minds. LAter -- .--= [ MArk Finlay - sisob ] =--. [ Gnome User's Board : www.gnomesupport.org/forums ] [ Public Key: http://evolvedoo.sf.net/sisobatericomdotnet.asc ] From atai@atai.org Thu May 15 14:39:19 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from web10506.mail.yahoo.com (web10506.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.156]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5D54418CF5 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 14:39:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20030515183917.25726.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.175.241.54] by web10506.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 May 2003 11:39:17 PDT X-RocketYMMF: lichengtai Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 11:39:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Tai Reply-To: atai@atai.org Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling To: Alexander Larsson , Nautilus , "desktop-devel-list@gnome.org" , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" In-Reply-To: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This seems to be a large step backwards. The folder "Desktop" should belong to the user, not a program, or a desktop environment. If KDE uses it, that should be wrong to. ".desktop" seems to be more correct. --- Alexander Larsson wrote: > As part of this change the directory for the desktop > was changed from > ~/.gnome-desktop to ~/Desktop From dmitry@taurussoft.org Fri May 16 04:36:44 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from pochta.mtw.ru (unknown [193.124.133.204]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3AE8182D7; Fri, 16 May 2003 04:36:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kitezh.hq.taurussoft.org (ts29-a243.Moscow.dial.rol.ru [212.46.252.243]) by pochta.mtw.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1BBF1E262E; Fri, 16 May 2003 12:32:47 +0400 (MSD) Received: from flame-in-night.hq.taurussoft.org (flame-in-night.hq.taurussoft.org [192.168.107.1]) by kitezh.hq.taurussoft.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 098F057A5C; Fri, 16 May 2003 12:36:36 +0400 (MSD) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by flame-in-night.hq.taurussoft.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C8B0281FD; Fri, 16 May 2003 12:38:06 +0400 (MSD) Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: "Dmitry G. Mastrukov" To: Alexander Larsson Cc: Nautilus , "desktop-devel-list@gnome.org" , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" In-Reply-To: <1053026641.11547.4.camel@shaunmlx.wolfram.com> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1053026641.11547.4.camel@shaunmlx.wolfram.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Message-Id: <1053074285.4939.15.camel@flame-in-night.hq.taurussoft.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 16 May 2003 12:38:06 +0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Ð’ ??, 15.05.2003, в 23:24, Shaun McCance пишет: > On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 13:24, Alexander Larsson wrote: > > * KDE also uses ~/Desktop, and they put some special files in there. We > > need to examine how these interact with Nautilus and how we can avoid > > confusing the user with these files. > > Mac OS X also uses ~/Desktop, which could be an issue for anybody in an > environment where /home is an NFS mount. I know there's not a whole lot > we can do to inter-operate, as Apple probably isn't interested. But it > would be nice to do something intelligent with any weird Apple stuff in > ~/Desktop, even if it's just intelligently ignoring it. > Windows uses "Desktop" dir too. Samba can be configured to store profiles in $HOME, so directory with Windows desktop will be ~/Desktop too. So it would be nice to recognize Windows stuff too. Regards, Dmitry From micke@codefactory.se Fri May 16 05:35:36 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from zzz.mikan.net (zzz.mikan.net [193.15.198.188]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B01C18BCA; Fri, 16 May 2003 05:35:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (as9-1-4.hn.g.bonet.se [217.215.47.49]) by zzz.mikan.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 847E612F1D; Fri, 16 May 2003 11:28:32 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Mikael Hallendal To: atai@atai.org Cc: Alexander Larsson , Nautilus , GNOME Desktop Devel , GNOME Hackers In-Reply-To: <20030515183917.25726.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030515183917.25726.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: CodeFactory AB Message-Id: <1053077608.2298.14.camel@scabbers.hallendal.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (1.3.3-2) (Preview Release) Date: 16 May 2003 11:33:29 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: tor 2003-05-15 klockan 20.39 skrev Andy Tai: > This seems to be a large step backwards. The folder > "Desktop" should belong to the user, not a program, or > a desktop environment. If KDE uses it, that should be > wrong to. This discussion has been held several times. I don't know if anything was decided since I quit reading the threads. People will always have different opinions about this issue. In the end, maintainer decides, if you (or anyone else that chooses to make a long thread about this) wanted to make the decision you should have played an active role in the nautilus development. Love to Alex and Dave for taking this ungrateful job of maintaining the module where nothing can be released without getting lots of flames back. You do a great work, keep rocking!! Regards, Mikael Hallendal -- Mikael Hallendal micke@codefactory.se CodeFactory AB http://www.codefactory.se/ Cell: +46 (0)709 718 918 From alan@redhat.com Fri May 16 12:49:25 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA06E18E50; Fri, 16 May 2003 12:49:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from alan@localhost) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) id h4GGnIL00566; Fri, 16 May 2003 12:49:18 -0400 From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <200305161649.h4GGnIL00566@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling To: bordoley@msu.edu (David Adam Bordoley) Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 12:49:18 -0400 (EDT) Cc: micke@codefactory.se (Mikael Hallendal), atai@atai.org, alexl@redhat.com (Alexander Larsson), nautilus-list@gnome.org (Nautilus), desktop-devel-list@gnome.org (GNOME Desktop Devel), gnome-hackers@gnome.org (GNOME Hackers) In-Reply-To: from "David Adam Bordoley" at Mai 16, 2003 10:03:05 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > I want to second this sentiment. I personally disagree with the decision, > but in the end it is the maintainers decision as to what will be > implemented. The length of this thread is obscene. The maints have made a > decision find something else to flame about please. No. The process works because there is review. Because people can point out technical problems and work through them. In this case there are important issues that have come up already - How to ensure the user isnt confused by the folder - What else might clash with it - How to internationalise it - a "desktop" dir means nothing in Chinese - What happens if I change language, do I change desktop along with some answers. If you wish to criticise the authors parentage thats quite different to reviewing the issues that need solving. From hadess@hadess.net Fri May 16 14:10:36 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A322183DD for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 14:10:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hadess.net ([81.99.181.176]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030516181034.MVKL2283.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@hadess.net> for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 19:10:34 +0100 Received: (nullmailer pid 24263 invoked by uid 1000); Fri, 16 May 2003 18:11:29 -0000 Subject: nautilus and mounts From: Bastien Nocera To: Nautilus List Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Message-Id: <1053108688.1705.53.camel@dozo.hadess.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.4 Date: 16 May 2003 19:11:29 +0100 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hello, We were talking with Owen about how to handle new mounts with magicdev. Right now, nautilus doesn't know if a mountable volume has to have a new nautilus window opened. Case 1) I'm inserting a Video DVD, magicdev knows it's a DVD, but not a video one, and needs to mount it to see if it's a video DVD, nautilus shouldn't show a new window because we're going to launch the Video DVD player. Case 2) We have an autorun on the CD. If we're going to autorun it, we probably don't want nautilus to launch a new window as well. So the 2 questions are (paraphrasing Owen on these ones) - how would an app best go about opening a nautilus window if nautilus is already running? - should we nuke the open-new-window code from nautilus and move it to magicdev? Cheers PS: CC: me on the replies please, I'm not on this list -- Bastien Nocera From mandreiana@rdslink.ro Fri May 16 14:26:50 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.rdslink.ro (mail.rdslink.ro [193.231.236.20]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E3F081816D for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 14:26:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 11817 invoked from network); 16 May 2003 18:30:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?81.196.83.211?) (81.196.83.211) by mail.rdslink.ro with SMTP; 16 May 2003 18:30:15 -0000 Subject: $HOME vs. ~/Desktop ( was Re: Major change in desktop handling ) From: Marius Andreiana To: nautilus In-Reply-To: <1053104779.2493.40.camel@dogbert> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1053038958.2492.31.camel@dogbert> <1053059606.7835.25.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> <1053104779.2493.40.camel@dogbert> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Organization: Galuna S.R.L. Message-Id: <1053109715.5383.15.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (1.3.3-2) (Preview Release) Date: 16 May 2003 21:28:36 +0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Very good arguments from Mark in favour of $HOME as desktop. I'd like to add it will also remove the big confusion between home and desktop ( gnome file selector, 'Home' icon on desktop which shows the Desktop directory ). Why not make gnome easier to use? This also clears the l10n problem - no folder 'Desktop' at all. Please look (again) at these screenshots: http://evolvedoo.sourceforge.net/abstract/mydesktop.png http://evolvedoo.sourceforge.net/abstract/fileselector.gif http://evolvedoo.sourceforge.net/abstract/file.png All applications now use $HOME as default to save files. You need only 1 double-click to go to the proper place ( Documents, Images... ), rather than going to Desktop/Documents. The biggest problem with $HOME as desktop are other *visible* files. Evolution is moving to .evolution ( that can be done in time for gnome 2.4 ). Other applications with hidden files in home are moving to ~/.etc/ . These are trivial changes. About KDE using ~/Desktop. Both kde and nautilus can be changed to use that or $HOME, but the default is important. Distributions will choose one or another and we'll see which is nicer. On Vi, 2003-05-16 at 20:07, MArk Finlay wrote: > I agree that this argument is not likely to go anywhere so I'm going to > try and make this my last post on the subject. > > On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 05:33, Dave Camp wrote: > > Here's my objection to $HOME-as-the-desktop: > > > > Nautilus' desktop should be a user-managed space. System-managed files > > do not belong on the desktop, even if they are hidden. > > To me this is a non-argument. If you cannot see the files then they are > not going to hurt you in any way. > > > So if you use $HOME as the desktop, you are forcing system-managed files > > to be on the desktop (even if they are hidden by default). This doesn't > > make any sense - if a user turns on 'Show Hidden Files', they don't want > > their desktop cluttered with a bunch of system-managed files. > > Well there is now way of seeing dotfiles on the desktop atm and I don't > see why that would ever change. The only hidden files you would ever > want to view on the desktop are files that are hidden by nautilus > (if/when it gains that functionality). > > > .gnome-desktop was a pain to use as a document directory, because file > > selectors defaulted to $HOME, and you couldn't get to ~/.gnome-desktop > > without knowing where to go and typing it in. Using ~/Desktop improves > > that. Making file selectors default to ~/Desktop will improve it > > further, in keeping with the idea of the desktop as a place for > > user-managed files. > > Yeah, but there are still going to be non-gnome files selectors and the > command line. To me using ~/Desktop for user files seem like a > workaround instead of a solution. Just because the file selector > defaults to ~/Desktop does not negate the fact that we are presenting > the user with both ~/Desktop and $HOME and some applications will use > one and some will use the other. > > You say that $HOME should not be the desktop because it has has > system-managed file in it? Why is this any different from the way we > work now. We have an icon on the desktop that says "home folder", > encouraging users to store their files there, along with the > system-managed files. I don't see how this is any different from $HOME > as desktop, or how it is an argument against it: either way we have a > mix of system and user files, and no-one really minds. > > LAter > > > -- > .--= [ MArk Finlay - sisob ] =--. > > [ Gnome User's Board : www.gnomesupport.org/forums ] > [ Public Key: http://evolvedoo.sf.net/sisobatericomdotnet.asc ] -- Marius Andreiana SoluÅ£ii informatice bazate pe Linux / Linux-based IT solutions www.galuna.ro From dave@ximian.com Fri May 16 14:35:00 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [141.154.95.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E20881869D for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 14:34:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 28697 invoked from network); 16 May 2003 18:34:56 -0000 Received: from dmz.ximian.com (HELO squee.boston.ximian.com) (141.154.95.1) by peabody.ximian.com with RC4-MD5 encrypted SMTP; 16 May 2003 18:34:56 -0000 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Dave Camp To: Alan Cox Cc: "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" , nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1053098752.7841.159.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> References: <200305161521.h4GFLTb07444@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1053098752.7841.159.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Ximian, Inc. Message-Id: <1053110069.7841.362.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (Preview Release) Date: 16 May 2003 14:34:29 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I just checked in a patch to show a desktop emblem on the desktop folder. You need the latest gnome-icon-theme and nautilus. -dave On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 11:25, Dave Camp wrote: > On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 11:21, Alan Cox wrote: > > > If you drag ~/Desktop on to the desktop, you will get a message telling > > > you that you can't move a file into itself. > > > > That is what I was afraid of. How do we make the user understand this > > directory is the desktop. No other directory produces that message so it > > is inconsistent. The two objects also look visually seperate. > > > > Its a problem I've seen with other software so thats why I raise it. > > (Could it have a clearer special icon ?) > > Tigert suggested putting a desktop emblem on ~/Desktop. That might help > with the association. The error message could possibly be more clear in > this case, too. > > -dave > > > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-hackers mailing list > gnome-hackers@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-hackers > From dave@ximian.com Fri May 16 14:46:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [141.154.95.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC0601869F for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 14:46:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 29202 invoked from network); 16 May 2003 18:46:37 -0000 Received: from dmz.ximian.com (HELO squee.boston.ximian.com) (141.154.95.1) by peabody.ximian.com with RC4-MD5 encrypted SMTP; 16 May 2003 18:46:37 -0000 Subject: Re: nautilus and mounts From: Dave Camp To: Bastien Nocera Cc: Nautilus List In-Reply-To: <1053108688.1705.53.camel@dozo.hadess.net> References: <1053108688.1705.53.camel@dozo.hadess.net> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Ximian, Inc. Message-Id: <1053110771.7835.388.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (Preview Release) Date: 16 May 2003 14:46:11 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 14:11, Bastien Nocera wrote: > So the 2 questions are (paraphrasing Owen on these ones) > - how would an app best go about opening a nautilus window if nautilus > is already running? Generally by running 'nautilus ' > > - should we nuke the open-new-window code from nautilus and move it to > magicdev? I'm not a big fan of windows opening when devices are mounted, so this wouldn't really bother me. I kinda think that nautilus windows shouldn't be opened unless the user interacts with nautilus, by clicking the device icon or whatever. -dave From otaylor@redhat.com Fri May 16 16:58:46 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFD531811C; Fri, 16 May 2003 16:58:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from landau.devel.redhat.com (landau.devel.redhat.com [172.16.56.103]) by lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.9.3) with ESMTP id h4GKwkK18451; Fri, 16 May 2003 16:58:46 -0400 Subject: $HOME as desktop From: Owen Taylor Reply-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org To: nautilus-list@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1053118716.32364.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-0) Date: 16 May 2003 16:58:36 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I really hesitate to jump in here, but I think it's worth stating clearly why $HOME as desktop isn't an option: - Upgrades: user upgrades to Red Hat 14.7. Suddenly, they have 531 files on their desktop, many of which don't fit on the screen. Unless they think to "clean up", some of these files may be lost forever because they are way off the screen. I think it's unreasonable to expect users to spend a day cleaning their home directory just because they switched to a new version of GNOME. - We don't control the other software the user runs, we don't control what software they run in the past; you may claim that everybody should change, but that isn't realistic; looking in my home directory. dcc - xchat is broken evolution - evolution is broken nsmail - Netscape 4 was broken several years ago GNUstep - wmaker was broken when I tried to reproduce a bug yesterday Mail - various traditionally unixy things are broken News - Gnus is broken Desktop - KDE is broken You get the picture. If we made $HOME the desktop we force the user to choose between having useless cruft on their desktop and not using other software. - Quality user experience depends on consistency; not just within GNOME, but for all apps. How are Mozilla, and OpenOffice.org, and the Java file selector, and ... going to get the behavior right if GNOME uses ~ and KDE uses Desktop/ ? Perhaps using $HOME is logically right, but practically speaking I can't see how it is even a possibility at all. We need to use ~/Desktop, and we need to spend our ingenuity in making that seem as consistent and robust as possible. Regards, Owen From yoann@prelude-ids.org Fri May 16 17:25:17 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from alph.dyndns.org (unknown [81.220.41.84]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 148AC186EC; Fri, 16 May 2003 17:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alph (alph [127.0.0.1]) by alph.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C510816911; Fri, 16 May 2003 23:25:17 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: $HOME as desktop From: Yoann Vandoorselaere To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Cc: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1053118716.32364.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1053118716.32364.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-gTv94wnCtPZ+4xfkbyPb" Message-Id: <1053120316.7981.59.camel@alph> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (Preview Release) Date: 16 May 2003 23:25:17 +0200 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-gTv94wnCtPZ+4xfkbyPb Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 22:58, Owen Taylor wrote: > I really hesitate to jump in here, but I think it's > worth stating clearly why $HOME as desktop isn't an=20 > option: >=20 > - Upgrades: user upgrades to Red Hat 14.7. Suddenly, > they have 531 files on their desktop, many of > which don't fit on the screen. Unless they think > to "clean up", some of these files may be lost > forever because they are way off the screen. >=20 > I think it's unreasonable to expect users to=20 > spend a day cleaning their home directory just > because they switched to a new version of GNOME. I'm not really sure what you mean here, but I assume you're talking about a program which would use $HOME as the default behaviour for downloading file. Why would theses files appear in their home directory ? People get used to behavior of the programs they use. People will get used to $HOME as the desktop. And then, when downloading , user will not choose to download it under $HOME. And even if they did, they would notice the increasing number of files showing up in their home directory, and would probably realize they did something wrong. > - We don't control the other software the user > runs, we don't control what software they run > in the past; you may claim that everybody > should change, but that isn't realistic; looking > in my home directory. >=20 > dcc - xchat is broken > evolution - evolution is broken > nsmail - Netscape 4 was broken several years ago > GNUstep - wmaker was broken when I tried to > reproduce a bug yesterday > Mail - various traditionally unixy things are broken > News - Gnus is broken > Desktop - KDE is broken >=20 > You get the picture. If we made $HOME the desktop =20 > we force the user to choose between having useless > cruft on their desktop and not using other software. Maybe the right answer would be to contact the authors of theses program, and to involve them in this discussion. Maybe things would go further that way. Maybe, if after this big discussion, most people agree that programs should not create folder in $HOME (at least if they are not hiden) - and even if some outside programers disagree - Users, by asking the programmers to comply to the standard (or to what the mass think), will make him change is mind. Anyway, I don't believe that the "Everybody is broken, so let's write something borked too" is the good attitude toward solving this problem. > - Quality user experience depends on consistency; > not just within GNOME, but for all apps. How=20 > are Mozilla, and OpenOffice.org, and the=20 > Java file selector, and ... going to get the > behavior right if GNOME uses ~ and KDE uses Desktop/ ? Did any KDE developers commented on this issue ? If not, wouldn't it be a good idea to start discussing the issue with them ? PS:=20 I'm a long time Nautilus user (well, and was involved in the development, a long time ago - until I got out of time).=20 I never tryed the $HOME as desktop configuration option until today. And I love it, and feel it much more "natural" than the current default behavior (be it .gnome-desktop or Desktop. Except that I'd tend to think Desktop is _even more_ broken). Anyway, just my 0.002 cents. =20 --=20 Yoann Vandoorselaere, http://www.prelude-ids.org "Programming is a race between programmers, who try and make more and=20 more idiot-proof software, and universe, which produces more and more=20 remarkable idiots. Until now, universe leads the race" -- R. Cook --=-gTv94wnCtPZ+4xfkbyPb Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQA+xVc84tfUv0C+vv8RAlLuAJ9Ss98QmqPJ5fKuuFeztbX7TfnV3QCgxt8I FJRiciLSzFRKuNv/VAO+M3o= =CrgC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-gTv94wnCtPZ+4xfkbyPb-- From otaylor@redhat.com Fri May 16 17:56:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F49018EAA; Fri, 16 May 2003 17:56:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from landau.devel.redhat.com (landau.devel.redhat.com [172.16.56.103]) by lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.9.3) with ESMTP id h4GLuKK24386; Fri, 16 May 2003 17:56:20 -0400 Subject: Re: $HOME as desktop From: Owen Taylor To: Yoann Vandoorselaere Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1053120316.7981.59.camel@alph> References: <1053118716.32364.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1053120316.7981.59.camel@alph> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1053122169.32364.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-0) Date: 16 May 2003 17:56:10 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 17:25, Yoann Vandoorselaere wrote: > On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 22:58, Owen Taylor wrote: > > I really hesitate to jump in here, but I think it's > > worth stating clearly why $HOME as desktop isn't an > > option: > > > > - Upgrades: user upgrades to Red Hat 14.7. Suddenly, > > they have 531 files on their desktop, many of > > which don't fit on the screen. Unless they think > > to "clean up", some of these files may be lost > > forever because they are way off the screen. > > > > I think it's unreasonable to expect users to > > spend a day cleaning their home directory just > > because they switched to a new version of GNOME. > > I'm not really sure what you mean here, but I assume you're talking > about a program which would use $HOME as the default behaviour for > downloading file. > > Why would theses files appear in their home directory ? People get used > to behavior of the programs they use. People will get used to $HOME as > the desktop. And then, when downloading here/>, user will not choose to download it under $HOME. > > And even if they did, they would notice the increasing number of files > showing up in their home directory, and would probably realize they did > something wrong. I'm saying, that Linux has somewhere on the order of a million people using it on the desktop currently. I'd be pretty sure that most of those people have a large number of files in their home directory. We have to have a plan to deal with those people upgrading to new versions of GNOME. > > - We don't control the other software the user > > runs, we don't control what software they run > > in the past; you may claim that everybody > > should change, but that isn't realistic; looking > > in my home directory. > > > > dcc - xchat is broken > > evolution - evolution is broken > > nsmail - Netscape 4 was broken several years ago > > GNUstep - wmaker was broken when I tried to > > reproduce a bug yesterday > > Mail - various traditionally unixy things are broken > > News - Gnus is broken > > Desktop - KDE is broken > > > > You get the picture. If we made $HOME the desktop > > we force the user to choose between having useless > > cruft on their desktop and not using other software. > > Maybe the right answer would be to contact the authors of theses > program, and to involve them in this discussion. Maybe things would go > further that way. > > Maybe, if after this big discussion, most people agree that programs > should not create folder in $HOME (at least if they are not hiden) - and > even if some outside programers disagree - Users, by asking the > programmers to comply to the standard (or to what the mass think), will > make him change is mind. > > Anyway, I don't believe that the "Everybody is broken, so let's write > something borked too" is the good attitude toward solving this problem. Hmm, using a subdirectory for the Desktop works well enough for everybody else (MacOS/Windows/KDE) that I think it is a *big* stretch to call it broken. What I'm saying is that using $HOME as the desktop is going to cause substantial migration pains for both users and developers for relatively minimal gains. And if there isn't *agreement* in the Linux/Unix desktop community on the subject, than we aren't talking minimal gains, we are talking substantial regressions. > > - Quality user experience depends on consistency; > > not just within GNOME, but for all apps. How > > are Mozilla, and OpenOffice.org, and the > > Java file selector, and ... going to get the > > behavior right if GNOME uses ~ and KDE uses Desktop/ ? > > Did any KDE developers commented on this issue ? If not, wouldn't it be > a good idea to start discussing the issue with them ? I'm not sure that expanding the scope of this discussion is going to be that useful of a step right now... but if you are interested, the first step would probably be to do some research and see if the topic has previously come up in the past. Regards, Owen From pah06@uow.edu.au Sat May 17 03:37:51 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from ziz.its.uow.edu.au (ziz.its.uow.edu.au [130.130.68.16]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19D8F1819E for ; Sat, 17 May 2003 03:37:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ziz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ziz.its.uow.edu.au (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4H7bn5H004919; Sat, 17 May 2003 17:37:49 +1000 (EST) Received: from inti.its.uow.edu.au ([130.130.37.4]) by ziz.its.uow.edu.au (MailMonitor for SMTP v1.2.2 ) ; Sat, 17 May 2003 17:37:49 +1000 (EST) Received: (from sendmail@localhost) by inti.its.uow.edu.au (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h4H7bmDn008674; Sat, 17 May 2003 17:37:48 +1000 (EST) Received: from 192.168.0.246 (ppp41-as53.uow.net.au[130.130.192.41]) by inti.its.uow.edu.au (UWSMTPD 1.1) with ESMTP id 4581062.8655; Saturday, 17 May 2003 17:37:42 +1000 Subject: Re: nautilus and mounts From: Peter Harvey To: Dave Camp Cc: Nautilus List In-Reply-To: <1053110771.7835.388.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> References: <1053108688.1705.53.camel@dozo.hadess.net> <1053110771.7835.388.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: SITACS, University of Wollongong Message-Id: <1053157058.848.143.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.3 Date: 17 May 2003 17:37:39 +1000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sat, 2003-05-17 at 04:46, Dave Camp wrote: > On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 14:11, Bastien Nocera wrote: > > So the 2 questions are (paraphrasing Owen on these ones) > > - how would an app best go about opening a nautilus window if nautilus > > is already running? > > Generally by running 'nautilus ' > Quick question - shouldn't that be "nautilus --no-desktop ". If nautilus hasn't been started yet (ie. hasn't been started by Gnome), shouldn't it avoid suddenly covering the desktop with a window? I use nautilus with a simple rootless Cygwin XFree86 environment. My X session consists of "metacity &" and "gnome-panel" and find that it's annoying that anytime I try to run nautilus it suddenly covers the "root" with a massive window. > > > > - should we nuke the open-new-window code from nautilus and move it to > > magicdev? > > I'm not a big fan of windows opening when devices are mounted, so this > wouldn't really bother me. I kinda think that nautilus windows > shouldn't be opened unless the user interacts with nautilus, by clicking > the device icon or whatever. > Personally, I agree. Having the icon appear on the desktop is a good enough indication to me that the volume has been mounted and is just a double-click away. On the other hand, if I'm working in a terminal and find that Nautilus suddenly popped up in front of me, it can be quite annoying to move from the keyboard to the mouse to close it. > -dave -- Peter Harvey SITACS, University of Wollongong From rees@netnam.vn Sat May 17 04:15:38 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp.netnam.vn (smtp.netnam.vn [203.162.7.93]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CAB91822B for ; Sat, 17 May 2003 04:15:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netnam.vn (ci75_83.netnam.vn [203.162.75.83] (may be forged)) by smtp.netnam.vn (8.11.7+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4HMHNY13780 for ; Sat, 17 May 2003 15:17:27 -0700 (GMT) Message-ID: <3EC5F06E.5080000@netnam.vn> Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 15:18:54 +0700 From: Darryl Rees User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: $HOME as desktop References: <1053118716.32364.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <1053118716.32364.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Owen Taylor wrote: > dcc - xchat is broken > evolution - evolution is broken > nsmail - Netscape 4 was broken several years ago > GNUstep - wmaker was broken when I tried to > reproduce a bug yesterday > Mail - various traditionally unixy things are broken > News - Gnus is broken > Desktop - KDE is broken > > You get the picture. If we made $HOME the desktop > we force the user to choose between having useless > cruft on their desktop and not using other software. > > You've been pretty exhaustive there and you've only come up with 7 examples, realistically its likely to be one or two for most long-term users. Evolution is changing. KDE is configurable. The argument seems to be it's alright to have a ton of crap in your home directory that you use from shell, but not on your desktop. It's shell centric view of the world. > - Quality user experience depends on consistency; > not just within GNOME, but for all apps. How > are Mozilla, and OpenOffice.org, and the > Java file selector, and ... going to get the > behavior right if GNOME uses ~ and KDE uses Desktop/ ? > > Mozilla, openoffice, java-file selector all use Home. They will have to add a Desktop in future if that's what we standardize on - giving a users a choice they don't really need to make. BTW, having supported a lot of MSWin users I know they 'lose' documents all the time, and accept it as part of working with computers. End-users feel they don't 'understand' where their files go, and where/what the desktop is. I just feel where going down the same path to some extent. >Perhaps using $HOME is logically right, but practically >speaking I can't see how it is even a possibility at >all. We need to use ~/Desktop, and we need to spend our >ingenuity in making that seem as consistent and robust >as possible. > >Regards, > Owen > > Sorry, I'm still convinced $HOME is a better long-term solution, even if ~/Desktop is the short-term path of least resistance. Regards, Long. From lindkvis@stud.ntnu.no Sat May 17 05:15:04 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from flaske.stud.ntnu.no (flaske.stud.ntnu.no [129.241.56.72]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8629418720 for ; Sat, 17 May 2003 05:15:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by flaske.stud.ntnu.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACF0BFFF78; Sat, 17 May 2003 11:15:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from tiger.stud.ntnu.no (tiger.stud.ntnu.no [129.241.56.180]) by flaske.stud.ntnu.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B574FFF49; Sat, 17 May 2003 11:15:03 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 11:15:03 +0200 (CEST) From: Gaute Lindkvist To: Darryl Rees Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: $HOME as desktop In-Reply-To: <3EC5F06E.5080000@netnam.vn> Message-ID: References: <1053118716.32364.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3EC5F06E.5080000@netnam.vn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I also hate to join this discussion but people here seem to assume that if $HOME is desktop, then people "will have to" keep it clean. This is totally untrue. I know loads of people, that have the messiest desktops imaginable on the Windows platform. If we made $HOME the desktop standard, these people will still have the messiest desktops available, but now they have trouble finding ALL of their files, and not just the relatively unimportant "launchers" that can be found on a menu anyway. This is made worse by: 1. The desktop has far less functionality than any normal Nautilus window, and having to open $HOME in a separate desktop window just to work with those files is counter-intuitive. It would also put us firmly and unmovably in the navigation metaphor, which I suspect is not really what some of the people arguing for $HOME wants. 2. The desktop has limited space. Yes, you all know what to do about that, you create sub-directories right? Well, a huge percentage of users just dump everything in one directory. I personally have a very fine directory structure carefully laid out, my girlfriend has Documents, Downloads, Images, but these are all empty, and all the files are in the $HOME-directory. Some people might just feel like they have to delete files to clean up the desktop. Gaute On Sat, 17 May 2003, Darryl Rees wrote: > Owen Taylor wrote: > > > dcc - xchat is broken > > evolution - evolution is broken > > nsmail - Netscape 4 was broken several years ago > > GNUstep - wmaker was broken when I tried to > > reproduce a bug yesterday > > Mail - various traditionally unixy things are broken > > News - Gnus is broken > > Desktop - KDE is broken > > > > You get the picture. If we made $HOME the desktop > > we force the user to choose between having useless > > cruft on their desktop and not using other software. > > > > > You've been pretty exhaustive there and you've only come up with 7 > examples, realistically its likely to be one or two for most long-term > users. Evolution is changing. KDE is configurable. > > The argument seems to be it's alright to have a ton of crap in your home > directory that you use from shell, but not on your desktop. It's shell > centric view of the world. > > > - Quality user experience depends on consistency; > > not just within GNOME, but for all apps. How > > are Mozilla, and OpenOffice.org, and the > > Java file selector, and ... going to get the > > behavior right if GNOME uses ~ and KDE uses Desktop/ ? > > > > > Mozilla, openoffice, java-file selector all use Home. They will have to > add a Desktop in future if that's what we standardize on - giving a > users a choice they don't really need to make. > > BTW, having supported a lot of MSWin users I know they 'lose' documents > all the time, and accept it as part of working with computers. > End-users feel they don't 'understand' where their files go, and > where/what the desktop is. I just feel where going down the same path to > some extent. > > >Perhaps using $HOME is logically right, but practically > >speaking I can't see how it is even a possibility at > >all. We need to use ~/Desktop, and we need to spend our > >ingenuity in making that seem as consistent and robust > >as possible. > > > >Regards, > > Owen > > > > > Sorry, I'm still convinced $HOME is a better long-term solution, even if > ~/Desktop is the short-term path of least resistance. > > Regards, > Long. > > -- > nautilus-list mailing list > nautilus-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/nautilus-list > From rees@netnam.vn Sat May 17 06:04:27 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp.netnam.vn (smtp.netnam.vn [203.162.7.93]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B1EE18738; Sat, 17 May 2003 06:04:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netnam.vn (ci75_63.netnam.vn [203.162.75.63] (may be forged)) by smtp.netnam.vn (8.11.7+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4I05hY23880; Sat, 17 May 2003 17:05:43 -0700 (GMT) Message-ID: <3EC609D8.7000208@netnam.vn> Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 17:07:20 +0700 From: Darryl Rees User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Cc: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: $HOME as desktop References: <1053118716.32364.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <1053118716.32364.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Owen Taylor wrote: >Perhaps using $HOME is logically right, but practically >speaking I can't see how it is even a possibility at >all. We need to use ~/Desktop, and we need to spend our >ingenuity in making that seem as consistent and robust >as possible. > >Regards, > Owen > OK, following that train of thought for the moment... If we use ~/Desktop there are lots of other issues that need to be decided on between Gnome/KDE/Others to get a consistent desktop. Maybe some/all of these have been discussed or resolved, I don't know. - Does "My Documents", "My Pictures", etc belong in $HOME or ~/Desktop? - Do file selectors include a Home as well as a Desktop selector? - Do file selectors default to home or desktop? - Does the file manager default to home or desktop? - Should there be a Home icon on the desktop? - Will Desktop be presented as the root of the Virtual filesystem as it is on windows? Windows has a Desktop which is considered a users' home directory. It is presented as the root object, "My Computer", "My Network Neighbourhood" etc are considered children of Desktop. There is other magic as well, eg. in Win9x to link "My Documents" in c:\ to the Desktop\My Documents. If going for ~/Desktop, I would assume that $HOME will become pretty much deprecated and invisible. ie. ~/Desktop, No, desktop, desktop, no, no idea. Regards, Long. From dave@ximian.com Sat May 17 10:53:48 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [141.154.95.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1899D18277 for ; Sat, 17 May 2003 10:53:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 17492 invoked from network); 17 May 2003 14:53:47 -0000 Received: from dmz.ximian.com (HELO squee.boston.ximian.com) (141.154.95.1) by peabody.ximian.com with RC4-MD5 encrypted SMTP; 17 May 2003 14:53:47 -0000 Subject: Re: nautilus and mounts From: Dave Camp To: Peter Harvey Cc: Nautilus List In-Reply-To: <1053157058.848.143.camel@localhost> References: <1053108688.1705.53.camel@dozo.hadess.net> <1053110771.7835.388.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> <1053157058.848.143.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Ximian, Inc. Message-Id: <1053183201.7842.494.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (Preview Release) Date: 17 May 2003 10:53:21 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sat, 2003-05-17 at 03:37, Peter Harvey wrote: > On Sat, 2003-05-17 at 04:46, Dave Camp wrote: > > On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 14:11, Bastien Nocera wrote: > > > So the 2 questions are (paraphrasing Owen on these ones) > > > - how would an app best go about opening a nautilus window if nautilus > > > is already running? > > > > Generally by running 'nautilus ' > > > > Quick question - shouldn't that be "nautilus --no-desktop ". Yeah, that makes sense. -dave From george@gmsys.com Sat May 17 12:22:08 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from ve7frg.gmsys.com (h24-66-186-212.du.shawcable.net [24.66.186.212]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E963184AE for ; Sat, 17 May 2003 12:22:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ve7frg.gmsys.com (ve7frg.gmsys.com [127.0.0.1]) by ve7frg.gmsys.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h4HGM66F000300 for ; Sat, 17 May 2003 09:22:07 -0700 Received: (from george@localhost) by ve7frg.gmsys.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h4HGM56r032766 for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Sat, 17 May 2003 09:22:05 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ve7frg.gmsys.com: george set sender to george@gmsys.com using -f Subject: Re: $HOME as desktop From: George Farris To: nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <3EC5F06E.5080000@netnam.vn> References: <1053118716.32364.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3EC5F06E.5080000@netnam.vn> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Message-Id: <1053188524.32620.2.camel@ve7frg.gmsys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-4) Date: 17 May 2003 09:22:04 -0700 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: It's interesting I tried moving back to using .gnome-desktop instead of $HOME and my goodness overall things seem to open quicker. Just right clicking and opening a terminal is easily seconds faster. Very interesting. > -- > George Farris From elle.uca@libero.it Sat May 17 16:07:36 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp0.libero.it (smtp0.libero.it [193.70.192.33]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87ACF18788; Sat, 17 May 2003 16:07:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp-149-173.24-151.libero.it (151.24.173.149) by smtp0.libero.it (7.0.012) id 3E94361200D5D521; Sat, 17 May 2003 22:07:34 +0200 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Luca Ferretti To: Dave Camp Cc: MArk Finlay , Nautilus , GNOME Desktop Hackers , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" In-Reply-To: <1053059606.7835.25.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1053038958.2492.31.camel@dogbert> <1053059606.7835.25.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1053075760.3649.24.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2-3mdk Date: 17 May 2003 22:01:22 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Il ven, 2003-05-16 alle 06:33, Dave Camp ha scritto: > Here's my objection to $HOME-as-the-desktop: > > Nautilus' desktop should be a user-managed space. System-managed files > do not belong on the desktop, even if they are hidden. > > $HOME is the root of the user's writable filesystem. All files owned by > the user must be placed somewhere in $HOME (except for special cases > like tmp files) - there's just nowhere else to put them. > > So if you use $HOME as the desktop, you are forcing system-managed files > to be on the desktop (even if they are hidden by default). This doesn't > make any sense - if a user turns on 'Show Hidden Files', they don't want > their desktop cluttered with a bunch of system-managed files. > mmhhh good point, but IHMO to have a Home icon on desktop and a Desktop folder in Home is a crack too. I mean: I'm sitting in front of computer [1], and anybody said me that I'm looking the desktop. On the desktop I've an Home icon and anybody said me that it's the place of my personal files. I open the Home and... I find a Desktop folder... what's appening... desktop in the home and home in the desktop... I feel a little anxious.... If I open the desktop in home, can I find the home again??? And the desktop again? And so on until... until.... hey I can't stop this! IHMO it's a non-logic way. The desktop is the desktop and you should access to it only from the desktop, don't from a file manager window[2]. If I've to change/add/remove something I don't need to open a window, I can do it directly from desktop. As user the desktop is a 'view of this computer', don't a folder in my home that I can display full screen (BTW: desktop background and ~/Desktop one should be the same... at least in a OO metaphor): I can have on it resources (personal files as Home icon or all files in ~, shared files as mounted devices, preferences, trash...) and stuff that I need/want find immediately. [1] yeah, turn on it, wait, make login, start GNOME before [2] note: I'm speaking about file manager, don't file selector!! -- Think bigger My uncle From kb@bluehash.de Sat May 17 17:55:10 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.medianet-world.de (unknown [213.157.0.162]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D4CA3181E1 for ; Sat, 17 May 2003 17:55:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 23332 invoked from network); 17 May 2003 21:55:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.23?) (213.157.9.165) by mail.medianet-world.de with SMTP; 17 May 2003 21:55:08 -0000 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: kb To: Luca Ferretti Cc: Dave Camp , MArk Finlay , Nautilus , GNOME Desktop Hackers , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" In-Reply-To: <1053075760.3649.24.camel@localhost> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1053038958.2492.31.camel@dogbert> <1053059606.7835.25.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> <1053075760.3649.24.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1053208506.3260.34.camel@monkey> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (Preview Release) Date: 17 May 2003 23:55:06 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > > So if you use $HOME as the desktop, you are forcing system-managed files > > to be on the desktop (even if they are hidden by default). This doesn't > > make any sense - if a user turns on 'Show Hidden Files', they don't want > > their desktop cluttered with a bunch of system-managed files. > > mmhhh good point, but IHMO to have a Home icon on desktop and a Desktop > folder in Home is a crack too. > > I mean: I'm sitting in front of computer [1], and anybody said me that > I'm looking the desktop. On the desktop I've an Home icon and anybody > said me that it's the place of my personal files. I open the Home and... > I find a Desktop folder... what's appening... desktop in the home and > home in the desktop... I feel a little anxious.... If I open the desktop > in home, can I find the home again??? And the desktop again? And so on > until... until.... hey I can't stop this! > > IHMO it's a non-logic way. The desktop is the desktop and you should > access to it only from the desktop, don't from a file manager window[2]. > If I've to change/add/remove something I don't need to open a window, I > can do it directly from desktop. > > As user the desktop is a 'view of this computer', don't a folder in my > home that I can display full screen (BTW: desktop background and > ~/Desktop one should be the same... at least in a OO metaphor): I can > have on it resources (personal files as Home icon or all files in ~, > shared files as mounted devices, preferences, trash...) and stuff that I > need/want find immediately. Good spoken. That's exactly, why I want my Desktop hidden in ~/.desktop directory. I have a Desktop where I have stuff to work with. Accessible from my Desktop is everything on my machine. I never got used to the Desktop "as a place for storing my files". I hated that from the very beginning and really rarely done that. And I will _never_ do that, when I'm forced to change to my "Desktop" when using the shell to access files. To me, the Desktop is an _abstract_ place managing the workplace right in front of me. ~/karsten -- Hi, I'm a signature virus. Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread! From snickell@stanford.edu Sat May 17 18:17:37 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (smtp2.Stanford.EDU [171.64.14.116]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B60A18307; Sat, 17 May 2003 18:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beauty.Stanford.EDU (beauty.Stanford.EDU [128.12.71.81]) by smtp2.Stanford.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4HMHXQN022789; Sat, 17 May 2003 15:17:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: $HOME as desktop From: Seth Nickell To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Cc: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1053118716.32364.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1053118716.32364.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1053209847.2015.55.camel@beauty.stanford.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-5) Date: 17 May 2003 15:17:27 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: My thinking on the issue is.... 1) From a clean slate, Desktop and Home should probably be the same thing. 2) As part of a coherent goal for GNOME's deep interaction structures it might be worth making $HOME be the desktop some day. but 3) I think the usability cost of the $HOME transition *in isolation* exceeds the benefits. Basically, I don't think its worth doing for its own sake at this point. -Seth On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 13:58, Owen Taylor wrote: > I really hesitate to jump in here, but I think it's > worth stating clearly why $HOME as desktop isn't an > option: > > - Upgrades: user upgrades to Red Hat 14.7. Suddenly, > they have 531 files on their desktop, many of > which don't fit on the screen. Unless they think > to "clean up", some of these files may be lost > forever because they are way off the screen. > > I think it's unreasonable to expect users to > spend a day cleaning their home directory just > because they switched to a new version of GNOME. > > - We don't control the other software the user > runs, we don't control what software they run > in the past; you may claim that everybody > should change, but that isn't realistic; looking > in my home directory. > > dcc - xchat is broken > evolution - evolution is broken > nsmail - Netscape 4 was broken several years ago > GNUstep - wmaker was broken when I tried to > reproduce a bug yesterday > Mail - various traditionally unixy things are broken > News - Gnus is broken > Desktop - KDE is broken > > You get the picture. If we made $HOME the desktop > we force the user to choose between having useless > cruft on their desktop and not using other software. > > - Quality user experience depends on consistency; > not just within GNOME, but for all apps. How > are Mozilla, and OpenOffice.org, and the > Java file selector, and ... going to get the > behavior right if GNOME uses ~ and KDE uses Desktop/ ? > > Perhaps using $HOME is logically right, but practically > speaking I can't see how it is even a possibility at > all. We need to use ~/Desktop, and we need to spend our > ingenuity in making that seem as consistent and robust > as possible. > > Regards, > Owen > From elle.uca@libero.it Sun May 18 05:17:22 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp3.libero.it (smtp3.libero.it [193.70.192.127]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A5EA18694 for ; Sun, 18 May 2003 05:17:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp-153-170.24-151.libero.it (151.24.170.153) by smtp3.libero.it (7.0.012) id 3EAD4AC500684EE0 for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Sun, 18 May 2003 11:17:21 +0200 Subject: Volume icons and file-selector [ was Major change in desktop handling] From: Luca Ferretti To: Nautilus In-Reply-To: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1053248845.2574.125.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2-3mdk Date: 18 May 2003 11:12:02 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Il gio, 2003-05-15 alle 20:24, Alexander Larsson ha scritto: > The new system works very differently. The desktop icons (trash, home > and volume icons) are all in-memory objects. They are implemented like > "virtual files" and put in the desktop view by some deep magic. This > gets rid of all the problems of the old system, and allows a lot of nice > things. Plus it should be faster. > Are there any abilities to put a link to mounted volume in ~/Desktop directory too? I mean: OK, desktop stuffs are in ~/Desktop directory (I don't agree, but it's ok), so if I want save a file from OpenOffice.org Writer to desktop I can choose the ~/Destkop directory in OOo selector. It's works, It's more simple then ~/.gnome-desktop. Second scenario: I want to save my document in floppy. I mount it using desktop popup menu and the floppy icon appears on desktop. Now I switch to OOo Writer, I choose save as, I see ~/Desktop in OOo file selector and I think "mmhh... floppy icon is on desktop, so if I choose ~/Desktop I can access to floppy"... no, wrong, sorry, you lose, game over. IMHO to have a ~/Desktop/floppy folder/link/whatever when floppy is mounted can help. I don't think it's a logic idea[1], but it's useful. [1] I think desktop is an abstract place, an user's view of computer, don't an ~ visible subfolder. IMHO file selectors should start from desktop too, choosing between home or mounted volumes. This is more logic. Can someone to put this idea somewhere in freedesktop.org and use it in GNOME, KDE, mozilla, OOo and so on? -- Think bigger My uncle From pah06@uow.edu.au Sun May 18 06:07:01 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from beru.its.uow.edu.au (beru.its.uow.edu.au [130.130.68.31]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB68918107 for ; Sun, 18 May 2003 06:07:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beru.its.uow.edu.au (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4IA6wkq016250 for ; Sun, 18 May 2003 20:06:58 +1000 (EST) Received: from inti.its.uow.edu.au ([130.130.37.4]) by beru.its.uow.edu.au (MailMonitor for SMTP v1.2.2 ) ; Sun, 18 May 2003 20:06:58 +1000 (EST) Received: (from sendmail@localhost) by inti.its.uow.edu.au (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h4IA6wFh013982 for ; Sun, 18 May 2003 20:06:58 +1000 (EST) Received: from 192.168.0.246 (ppp22-as53.uow.net.au[130.130.192.22]) by inti.its.uow.edu.au (UWSMTPD 1.1) with ESMTP id 4676416.13976; Sunday, 18 May 2003 20:06:56 +1000 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Peter Harvey To: Nautilus List In-Reply-To: <1053100528.18252.7.camel@ve7frg.gmsys.com> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1053038958.2492.31.camel@dogbert> <20030515220543.A8728@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1053092578.798.7.camel@mingus> <1053093650.31490.15.camel@gabrielle.simovits.com> <1053100528.18252.7.camel@ve7frg.gmsys.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: SITACS, University of Wollongong Message-Id: <1053252412.3604.14.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.3 Date: 18 May 2003 20:06:53 +1000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sat, 2003-05-17 at 01:55, George Farris wrote: > Could an explanation be given why a GConf key wouldn't work, after all > just because we can't foresee a very necessary reason to change the > desktop, doesn't mean it won't appear. > > -- > George Farris One problem I can see with a simple GConf key (and something I mentioned in another fork of this discussion) is that programs are going to require additional programming to handle the case with home-as-desktop. For example, if a user has home-as-desktop then file requesters should have a single button representing Home/Desktop. What should this button be called? "Home" to keep it consistent with UNIX, or "Desktop" to keep it consistent with GUI applications. I'm not an active programmer for anything on Gnome (yet :), so I can't offer more reasons than that. I can't see any really technical reasons for it being a problem. I would suggest that a function be added to some core GNOME lib to fetch the path of the desktop directory from GConf, or return null in the case where home is desktop. This would give a simple way for applications to decide whether to show special access functions for the desktop or not. Still, most of this is a question for the usability guys I think. -- Peter Harvey SITACS, University of Wollongong From dave@ximian.com Sun May 18 13:03:29 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [141.154.95.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3196182DD for ; Sun, 18 May 2003 13:03:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 20400 invoked from network); 18 May 2003 17:03:29 -0000 Received: from dmz.ximian.com (HELO squee.boston.ximian.com) (141.154.95.1) by peabody.ximian.com with RC4-MD5 encrypted SMTP; 18 May 2003 17:03:29 -0000 Subject: Re: desktop icon patch From: Dave Camp To: Alexander Larsson Cc: Nautilus In-Reply-To: <1053023420.30862.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1053023420.30862.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Ximian, Inc. Message-Id: <1053277383.24282.16.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 18 May 2003 13:03:03 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This part of the patch: if (vfs_uri == NULL) { - directory_vfs_uri = NULL; + if (eel_uri_is_desktop (uri) && + strcmp (uri, EEL_DESKTOP_URI) != 0) { + directory_uri = g_strdup (EEL_DESKTOP_URI); + } Broke if x-nautilus-desktop:/// was loaded rather than x-nautilus-desktop:. I just committed this patch: /* Make VFS version of directory URI. */ if (vfs_uri == NULL) { if (eel_uri_is_desktop (uri) && - strcmp (uri, EEL_DESKTOP_URI) != 0) { + !eel_uris_match (uri, EEL_DESKTOP_URI)) { directory_uri = g_strdup (EEL_DESKTOP_URI); } -dave On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 14:30, Alexander Larsson wrote: > Ok, here is the patch with all the desktop changes i talked about in the > last email. If anyone want to look for silly bugs in it, be my guest. > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc > alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se > He's a time-tossed guerilla farmboy for the 21st century. She's a high-kicking > winged mechanic married to the Mob. They fight crime! From alexl@redhat.com Mon May 19 04:33:02 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75D3F18143 for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 04:33:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h4J8Wr506663; Mon, 19 May 2003 04:32:54 -0400 Subject: Re: nautilus and mounts From: Alexander Larsson To: Dave Camp Cc: Bastien Nocera , Nautilus List In-Reply-To: <1053110771.7835.388.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> References: <1053108688.1705.53.camel@dozo.hadess.net> <1053110771.7835.388.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1053333172.11180.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 19 May 2003 10:32:53 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 20:46, Dave Camp wrote: > I'm not a big fan of windows opening when devices are mounted, so this > wouldn't really bother me. I kinda think that nautilus windows > shouldn't be opened unless the user interacts with nautilus, by clicking > the device icon or whatever. I agree. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a notorious gay card sharp on the run. She's a vivacious thirtysomething advertising executive who dreams of becoming Elvis. They fight crime! From alexl@redhat.com Mon May 19 04:40:09 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D7B7184FB for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 04:40:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h4J8e6507939; Mon, 19 May 2003 04:40:06 -0400 Subject: Re: Sharing the spinner with icon theme From: Alexander Larsson To: Marco Pesenti Gritti Cc: Nautilus In-Reply-To: <1053286099.900.36.camel@balurdi> References: <1053286099.900.36.camel@balurdi> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1053333605.11180.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 19 May 2003 10:40:06 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sun, 2003-05-18 at 21:28, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: > I'd like to know if it would be possible to share the spinner (throbber) > between nautilus and epiphany. > Using the gnome icon theme would seem like the right way to do it, with > the advantage to make it themable too. > Current implementation doesnt use a single animation though, but a set > of images. > Would make sense to change it to use an animated gif instead ? > Possible problems: > > - Legal problems. The GIF patents are expired, so I think this should > not be an issue. > - The quality of gifs is limited to 256 colors. I've been able to > convert the default spinner without apparent lose of quality though. > http://mpgritti.oltrelinux.com/spinner.gif > So it seem to be possible to build nice spinners also with only 256 > colors (and anyway, without using icon theme, they would not be themable > at all) > - The icon theme specification apparently doesnt support gif > "The image files must be one of the types: PNG, XPM, or SVG" > Is it intended ? Yes, this is intended, to allow implementations that don't have to implement old broken file formats. The way kde handles this is by having a large icon with all the frames on a grid. That would work fine for us too. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a fast talking playboy messiah from a doomed world. 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From r.burton@180sw.com Mon May 19 05:51:39 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow053o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.96]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0513188E5 for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 05:51:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gallahad.180sw.com ([62.30.118.71]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Mon, 19 May 2003 10:54:29 +0100 Received: from carados.180sw.com (unknown [192.168.1.28]) by gallahad.180sw.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2646CFF189; Mon, 19 May 2003 10:52:00 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Sharing the spinner with icon theme From: Ross Burton To: Marco Pesenti Gritti , Nautilus Cc: Alexander Larsson In-Reply-To: <1053333605.11180.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1053286099.900.36.camel@balurdi> <1053333605.11180.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-PwYyM03VoQ8XHzfd5t84" Organization: OneEighty Software Ltd. Message-Id: <1053338240.10902.4.camel@carados.180sw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-5) Date: 19 May 2003 10:57:20 +0100 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-PwYyM03VoQ8XHzfd5t84 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2003-05-19 at 09:40, Alexander Larsson wrote: > > Current implementation doesnt use a single animation though, but a set > > of images. > > Would make sense to change it to use an animated gif instead ? There is also MNG, the animated brother of PNG... Ross --=20 Ross Burton Software Engineer OneEighty Software Ltd Tel: +44 20 8680 8712 Cygnet House Fax: +44 20 8680 8453 12-14 Sydenham Road r.burton@180sw.com Croydon, Surrey CR9 2ET, UK http://www.180sw.com./ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Under the Regulation of Investigatory Powers (RIP) Act 2000 together with any and all Regulations in force pursuant to the Act OneEighty Software Ltd reserves the right to monitor any or all incoming or outgoing communications as provided for under the Act --=-PwYyM03VoQ8XHzfd5t84 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQA+yKp/9jD8Pg92xmYRAnUtAKCAS3TafIM/VrlZYqhtmf+mlZ57ZwCfcORu X7Ek75wHoRKHdcV4ZYvKjKM= =c5h+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-PwYyM03VoQ8XHzfd5t84-- From rene@seindal.dk Mon May 19 06:17:22 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from www.mtp.dk (alenius.mustusc.ku.dk [192.38.105.218]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99AE81881F for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 06:17:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by www.mtp.dk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0C72E2DE13; Mon, 19 May 2003 12:17:23 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 12:17:23 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9?= Seindal To: Nautilus Subject: Scrips and working directory Message-ID: <20030519101723.GG26674@seindal.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, I have just installed gnome2 (on Debian testing with packages from unstable), and I have noticed something that strikes me as slightly inexpedient. When I run a script from the nautilus script menu, it always runs in my home directory, not in the directory I am viewing. Wouldn't it be more natural if the program ran in the directory I am viewing? Also, the command line arguments to the script are just the filenames, without the path, so they are rather useless when the script might run in another directory. It's Gnome 2.2, nautilus 2.2.3.1-1 (debian package version). I have desktop == $HOME if that matters. -- René Seindal (rene@seindal.dk) http://sights.seindal.dk/ From dave@ximian.com Mon May 19 06:19:12 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [141.154.95.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 132431881F for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 06:19:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 32666 invoked from network); 19 May 2003 10:19:10 -0000 Received: from dmz.ximian.com (HELO squee.boston.ximian.com) (141.154.95.1) by peabody.ximian.com with RC4-MD5 encrypted SMTP; 19 May 2003 10:19:10 -0000 Subject: Re: Scrips and working directory From: Dave Camp To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9?= Seindal Cc: Nautilus In-Reply-To: <20030519101723.GG26674@seindal.dk> References: <20030519101723.GG26674@seindal.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Organization: Ximian, Inc. Message-Id: <1053339524.14547.0.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 19 May 2003 06:18:44 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is fixed in 2.2.4. -dave On Mon, 2003-05-19 at 06:17, René Seindal wrote: > Hi, > > I have just installed gnome2 (on Debian testing with packages from > unstable), and I have noticed something that strikes me as slightly > inexpedient. When I run a script from the nautilus script menu, it > always runs in my home directory, not in the directory I am viewing. > Wouldn't it be more natural if the program ran in the directory I am > viewing? > > Also, the command line arguments to the script are just the filenames, > without the path, so they are rather useless when the script might run > in another directory. > > It's Gnome 2.2, nautilus 2.2.3.1-1 (debian package version). > > I have desktop == $HOME if that matters. > > -- > René Seindal (rene@seindal.dk) http://sights.seindal.dk/ From alexl@redhat.com Mon May 19 06:31:46 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF31318535 for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 06:31:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h4JAVf527118; Mon, 19 May 2003 06:31:41 -0400 Subject: Re: Sharing the spinner with icon theme From: Alexander Larsson To: Ross Burton Cc: Marco Pesenti Gritti , Nautilus In-Reply-To: <1053338240.10902.4.camel@carados.180sw.com> References: <1053286099.900.36.camel@balurdi> <1053333605.11180.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1053338240.10902.4.camel@carados.180sw.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1053340300.11180.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 19 May 2003 12:31:41 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Mon, 2003-05-19 at 11:57, Ross Burton wrote: > On Mon, 2003-05-19 at 09:40, Alexander Larsson wrote: > > > Current implementation doesnt use a single animation though, but a set > > > of images. > > > Would make sense to change it to use an animated gif instead ? > > There is also MNG, the animated brother of PNG... Also known as the supermegabloated over-featured mega-format MNG. :) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a scarfaced small-town librarian with a robot buddy named Sparky. She's a plucky green-skinned opera singer with a flame-thrower. They fight crime! From calum.benson@sun.com Mon May 19 07:25:43 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 186461889D for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 07:25:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM ([129.156.220.69]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4JBPfsa011471 for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 05:25:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from simcity (simcity [129.156.238.57]) by dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM (8.11.7+Sun/8.10.2/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id h4JBPeh03253 for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 12:25:40 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: $HOME as desktop From: Calum Benson To: nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <3EC5F06E.5080000@netnam.vn> References: <1053118716.32364.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3EC5F06E.5080000@netnam.vn> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Sun Microsystems Ireland Ltd Message-Id: <1053343512.4649.41.camel@simcity> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.4.99 Date: 19 May 2003 12:25:39 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sat, 2003-05-17 at 09:18, Darryl Rees wrote: > BTW, having supported a lot of MSWin users I know they 'lose' documents > all the time, and accept it as part of working with computers. > End-users feel they don't 'understand' where their files go, and > where/what the desktop is. I feel their pain, I often lose documents on Windows too :) However, that's largely because the default place to save documents on Windows is the "My Documents" folder, not the "Desktop" folder... and some apps are pretty bullish about saving stuff there even if you saved it somewhere else the last time :/ On the Mac, the default place to save stuff is the Desktop folder, so when you save a document it instantly appears on your desktop. I don't know if that's part of the plan for migrating everyone to the ~/Desktop model, but I've never lost a document on the Mac yet... Cheeri, Calum. -- CALUM BENSON, Usability Engineer Sun Microsystems Ireland mailto:calum.benson@sun.com GNOME Desktop Group http://ie.sun.com +353 1 819 9771 Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Sun Microsystems From calum.benson@sun.com Mon May 19 07:34:14 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AA1E188D1 for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 07:34:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM ([129.156.220.69]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4JBYCsa015086 for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 05:34:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from simcity (simcity [129.156.238.57]) by dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM (8.11.7+Sun/8.10.2/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id h4JBYBh05232 for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 12:34:11 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Volume icons and file-selector [ was Major change in desktop handling] From: Calum Benson To: Nautilus In-Reply-To: <1053248845.2574.125.camel@localhost> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1053248845.2574.125.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Sun Microsystems Ireland Ltd Message-Id: <1053344022.4649.47.camel@simcity> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.4.99 Date: 19 May 2003 12:34:10 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sun, 2003-05-18 at 10:12, Luca Ferretti wrote: > Are there any abilities to put a link to mounted volume in ~/Desktop > directory too? This is certainly how it works on Windows, so anyone switching over from that will be somewhat confused (and/or annoyed) if they can't do this. (I've added links to all my drives on my Windows Desktop, since you're not given any by default-- and they all appear in my Desktop folder and work just like I'd expect them to.) Cheeri, Calum. -- CALUM BENSON, Usability Engineer Sun Microsystems Ireland mailto:calum.benson@sun.com GNOME Desktop Group http://ie.sun.com +353 1 819 9771 Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Sun Microsystems From hp@redhat.com Mon May 19 12:06:30 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DB6518A2B for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 12:06:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from hp@localhost) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) id h4JG6QG19507; Mon, 19 May 2003 12:06:26 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 12:06:26 -0400 From: Havoc Pennington To: Alexander Larsson Cc: Ross Burton , Marco Pesenti Gritti , Nautilus Subject: Re: Sharing the spinner with icon theme Message-ID: <20030519120626.B16744@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1053286099.900.36.camel@balurdi> <1053333605.11180.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1053338240.10902.4.camel@carados.180sw.com> <1053340300.11180.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <1053340300.11180.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Mon, May 19, 2003 at 12:31:41PM +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: > On Mon, 2003-05-19 at 11:57, Ross Burton wrote: > > On Mon, 2003-05-19 at 09:40, Alexander Larsson wrote: > > > > Current implementation doesnt use a single animation though, but a set > > > > of images. > > > > Would make sense to change it to use an animated gif instead ? > > > > There is also MNG, the animated brother of PNG... > > Also known as the supermegabloated over-featured mega-format MNG. :) > Not to mention that the libmng API isn't right and won't work for a gdk-pixbuf backend... Havoc From r.burton@180sw.com Mon May 19 12:12:15 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow058o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.98]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EA0E18A78 for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 12:12:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gallahad.180sw.com ([62.30.118.71]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Mon, 19 May 2003 17:12:15 +0100 Received: from carados.180sw.com (unknown [192.168.1.28]) by gallahad.180sw.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30164FFC14 for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 17:12:52 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Sharing the spinner with icon theme From: Ross Burton To: Nautilus In-Reply-To: <20030519120626.B16744@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1053286099.900.36.camel@balurdi> <1053333605.11180.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1053338240.10902.4.camel@carados.180sw.com> <1053340300.11180.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030519120626.B16744@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-yanJIF2B9uxYaMvfuUfh" Organization: OneEighty Software Ltd. Message-Id: <1053361092.14706.22.camel@carados.180sw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (Preview Release) Date: 19 May 2003 17:18:12 +0100 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-yanJIF2B9uxYaMvfuUfh Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2003-05-19 at 17:06, Havoc Pennington wrote: > > > There is also MNG, the animated brother of PNG... > > Also known as the supermegabloated over-featured mega-format MNG. :) > Not to mention that the libmng API isn't right and won't work for=20 > a gdk-pixbuf backend... Well, it was just an idea... :) Ross --=20 Ross Burton Software Engineer OneEighty Software Ltd Tel: +44 20 8680 8712 Cygnet House Fax: +44 20 8680 8453 12-14 Sydenham Road r.burton@180sw.com Croydon, Surrey CR9 2ET, UK http://www.180sw.com./ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Under the Regulation of Investigatory Powers (RIP) Act 2000 together with any and all Regulations in force pursuant to the Act OneEighty Software Ltd reserves the right to monitor any or all incoming or outgoing communications as provided for under the Act --=-yanJIF2B9uxYaMvfuUfh Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQA+yQPD9jD8Pg92xmYRAsQuAJ9K0nZHkiRzhT7z5RFtbdxjn+bBPACeOFcK lhZkI+3Cr1UKXyvWUeczdHk= =yC8N -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-yanJIF2B9uxYaMvfuUfh-- From alexl@redhat.com Thu May 15 14:30:24 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F2A71826C for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 14:30:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h4FIUL501131 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 14:30:22 -0400 Subject: desktop icon patch From: Alexander Larsson To: Nautilus Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-PwzCvansxjCM0d7lyMUQ" Message-Id: <1053023420.30862.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 15 May 2003 20:30:21 +0200 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-PwzCvansxjCM0d7lyMUQ Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok, here is the patch with all the desktop changes i talked about in the last email. If anyone want to look for silly bugs in it, be my guest. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a time-tossed guerilla farmboy for the 21st century. She's a high-kicking winged mechanic married to the Mob. They fight crime! --=-PwzCvansxjCM0d7lyMUQ Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=nautilus-desktop-icons.patch Content-Type: text/x-patch; name=nautilus-desktop-icons.patch; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Index: ChangeLog =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/ChangeLog,v retrieving revision 1.5805 diff -u -p -r1.5805 ChangeLog --- ChangeLog 14 May 2003 15:24:28 -0000 1.5805 +++ ChangeLog 15 May 2003 17:08:04 -0000 @@ -1,3 +1,126 @@ +2003-05-15 Alexander Larsson + + * libnautilus-private/Makefile.am: + Added new files. + + * libnautilus-private/apps_nautilus_preferences.schemas.in: + * libnautilus-private/nautilus-global-preferences.[ch]: + New prefs for home and trash links. + + * libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-directory.[ch]: + New files. Implements the NautilusDesktop object for the + virtual x-nautilus-desktop: uri. The directory merges the contents + of the directory with the real desktop directory. + + * libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-directory-file.[ch]: + New files. Implements the Nautilusfile corresponding to + NautilusDestkopDirectory. + + * libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-icon-file.[ch]: + New files. + Implement NautilusFile for a virtual file in a NautilusDesktopDirectory. + Gets all the actual file data from a NautilusDesktopLink. + + * libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-link-monitor.[ch]: + New files. + Keep track of home and trash visibility prefs and mounted volumes and + create/destroy corresponding NautilusDesktopLink object. + + * libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-link.[ch]: + New files. + Keeps track of all the real information in a desktop icon link. + These are home, trash and volume links at the moment. + + * libnautilus-private/nautilus-directory-async.c: + Indentation correction. + + * libnautilus-private/nautilus-directory.c: + (nautilus_directory_new): + Create NautilusDesktopDirectory objects for x-nautilus-desktop: uris + + * libnautilus-private/nautilus-dnd.c: (nautilus_drag_items_local): + Handle NULL GnomeVFSURIs. + (nautilus_drag_items_on_desktop): New function to check if items + are on the desktop. + (nautilus_drag_default_drop_action_for_icons): + Special case desktop uris. + (nautilus_drag_selection_includes_special_link): + Convert from old-style special links to current. + + * libnautilus-private/nautilus-dnd.h: + New function nautilus_drag_items_on_desktop. + + * libnautilus-private/nautilus-file-operations.c: + (is_special_link), (nautilus_file_operations_copy_move): + Convert from old-style special links to current. + (nautilus_file_operations_delete): + Special case desktop links + + * libnautilus-private/nautilus-file-utilities.[ch]: + (nautilus_get_desktop_directory): + (nautilus_get_gmc_desktop_directory): + Change desktop dir to ~/Desktop + (nautilus_get_desktop_directory_uri): + New function to return desktop dir as a uri. + + + * libnautilus-private/nautilus-file.c: + (nautilus_file_new_from_relative_uri), + (nautilus_file_get_internal): + Handle creation of desktop icon files. + (nautilus_file_can_rename), (rename_guts), + (nautilus_file_get_drop_target_uri): + Update for new special links. + (nautilus_file_is_in_desktop): + Update for new desktop dir. + (nautilus_file_get_uri): + Fix uris for self owned files. This changed due to + the new canonicalization rules for foo: + + + * libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-dnd.c: + (nautilus_icon_container_selection_items_local), + (handle_nonlocal_move): + Handle desktop uri. + + * src/Nautilus_shell.server.in: + icon view handles x-nautilus-desktop: uris + + * src/nautilus-application.c: (finish_startup): + Initialize the desktop link monitor + + * src/nautilus-desktop-window.c: + (nautilus_desktop_window_update_directory): + Show x-nautilus-desktop: + + * src/file-manager/fm-desktop-icon-view.c: + (fm_desktop_icon_view_finalize), (fm_desktop_icon_view_init), + (volume_ops_callback), (trash_link_is_selection), + (volume_link_is_selection), (volume_link_device_type), + (real_supports_zooming): + + * src/file-manager/fm-directory-view.c: + Remove lots of old support for desktop icon. + Reimplement some of it with the new desktop icon support. + + * src/file-manager/fm-directory-view.h: + New function fm_directory_view_get_backing_uri + + * src/file-manager/fm-icon-container.c: + (fm_icon_container_get_icon_text): + Don't show extra text for desktop icons + (get_sort_category): Update for new desktop icons + + * src/file-manager/fm-icon-view.c: (icon_view_handle_uri_list): + Use get_backing_uri() + + * src/file-manager/fm-properties-window.c: (get_target_file): + Use the new desktop icon support. + + * libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-container.c: + (lay_down_icons_tblr): + Don't loop forever if icon doesn't in the height of the container. + 2003-05-14 Gaute Lindkvist * libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-canvas-item.c Index: libnautilus-private/Makefile.am =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/libnautilus-private/Makefile.am,v retrieving revision 1.229 diff -u -p -r1.229 Makefile.am --- libnautilus-private/Makefile.am 3 May 2003 05:10:53 -0000 1.229 +++ libnautilus-private/Makefile.am 15 May 2003 17:08:04 -0000 @@ -56,6 +56,16 @@ libnautilus_private_la_SOURCES = \ nautilus-customization-data.h \ nautilus-default-file-icon.c \ nautilus-default-file-icon.h \ + nautilus-desktop-directory.c \ + nautilus-desktop-directory.h \ + nautilus-desktop-directory-file.c \ + nautilus-desktop-directory-file.h \ + nautilus-desktop-icon-file.c \ + nautilus-desktop-icon-file.h \ + nautilus-desktop-link.c \ + nautilus-desktop-link.h \ + nautilus-desktop-link-monitor.c \ + nautilus-desktop-link-monitor.h \ nautilus-directory-async.c \ nautilus-directory-background.c \ nautilus-directory-background.h \ Index: libnautilus-private/apps_nautilus_preferences.schemas.in =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/libnautilus-private/apps_nautilus_preferences.schemas.in,v retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -p -r1.2 apps_nautilus_preferences.schemas.in --- libnautilus-private/apps_nautilus_preferences.schemas.in 5 May 2003 13:32:54 -0000 1.2 +++ libnautilus-private/apps_nautilus_preferences.schemas.in 15 May 2003 17:08:04 -0000 @@ -700,6 +700,64 @@ - + + + /schemas/apps/nautilus/desktop/home_icon_visible + /apps/nautilus/desktop/home_icon_visible + nautilus + bool + true + + Home icon visible on desktop + + If this is set to true, an icon linking to the home directory + will be put on the desktop. + + + + + + /schemas/apps/nautilus/desktop/trash_icon_visible + /apps/nautilus/desktop/trash_icon_visible + nautilus + bool + true + + Trash icon visible on desktop + + If this is set to true, an icon linking to the trash + will be put on the desktop. + + + + + + /schemas/apps/nautilus/desktop/home_icon_name + /apps/nautilus/desktop/home_icon_name + nautilus + string + + Desktop home icon name + + This name can be set if you want a custom name + for the home link icon on the desktop. + + + + + + /schemas/apps/nautilus/desktop/trash_icon_name + /apps/nautilus/desktop/trash_icon_name + nautilus + string + + Desktop trash icon name + + This name can be set if you want a custom name + for the trash icon on the desktop. + + + + Index: libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-directory-file.c =================================================================== RCS file: libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-directory-file.c diff -N libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-directory-file.c --- /dev/null 1 Jan 1970 00:00:00 -0000 +++ libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-directory-file.c 15 May 2003 17:08:04 -0000 @@ -0,0 +1,549 @@ +/* -*- Mode: C; indent-tabs-mode: t; c-basic-offset: 8; tab-width: 8 -*- + + nautilus-desktop-directory-file.c: Subclass of NautilusFile to help implement the + virtual desktop. + + Copyright (C) 2003 Red Hat, Inc. + + This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or + modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as + published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the + License, or (at your option) any later version. + + This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, + but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of + MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU + General Public License for more details. + + You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public + License along with this program; if not, write to the + Free Software Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, + Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA. + + Author: Alexander Larsson +*/ + +#include +#include "nautilus-desktop-directory-file.h" + +#include "nautilus-directory-notify.h" +#include "nautilus-directory-private.h" +#include "nautilus-file-attributes.h" +#include "nautilus-file-private.h" +#include "nautilus-file-utilities.h" +#include +#include +#include "nautilus-desktop-directory.h" +#include +#include +#include + +struct NautilusDesktopDirectoryFileDetails { + NautilusDesktopDirectory *desktop_directory; + + NautilusFile *real_dir_file; + + GHashTable *callbacks; + GHashTable *monitors; +}; + +typedef struct { + NautilusDesktopDirectoryFile *desktop_file; + NautilusFileCallback callback; + gpointer callback_data; + + NautilusFileAttributes delegated_attributes; + NautilusFileAttributes non_delegated_attributes; + + GList *non_ready_files; + + gboolean initializing; +} DesktopCallback; + +typedef struct { + NautilusDesktopDirectoryFile *desktop_file; + + NautilusFileAttributes delegated_attributes; + NautilusFileAttributes non_delegated_attributes; +} DesktopMonitor; + + +static void nautilus_desktop_directory_file_init (gpointer object, + gpointer klass); +static void nautilus_desktop_directory_file_class_init (gpointer klass); + +EEL_CLASS_BOILERPLATE (NautilusDesktopDirectoryFile, + nautilus_desktop_directory_file, + NAUTILUS_TYPE_FILE) + +static guint +desktop_callback_hash (gconstpointer desktop_callback_as_pointer) +{ + const DesktopCallback *desktop_callback; + + desktop_callback = desktop_callback_as_pointer; + return GPOINTER_TO_UINT (desktop_callback->callback) + ^ GPOINTER_TO_UINT (desktop_callback->callback_data); +} + +static gboolean +desktop_callback_equal (gconstpointer desktop_callback_as_pointer, + gconstpointer desktop_callback_as_pointer_2) +{ + const DesktopCallback *desktop_callback, *desktop_callback_2; + + desktop_callback = desktop_callback_as_pointer; + desktop_callback_2 = desktop_callback_as_pointer_2; + + return desktop_callback->callback == desktop_callback_2->callback + && desktop_callback->callback_data == desktop_callback_2->callback_data; +} + + +static void +real_file_changed_callback (NautilusFile *real_file, + gpointer callback_data) +{ + NautilusDesktopDirectoryFile *desktop_file; + + desktop_file = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_FILE (callback_data); + nautilus_file_changed (NAUTILUS_FILE (desktop_file)); +} + +static NautilusFileAttributes +get_delegated_attributes_mask (void) +{ + return NAUTILUS_FILE_ATTRIBUTE_DEEP_COUNTS | + NAUTILUS_FILE_ATTRIBUTE_DIRECTORY_ITEM_COUNT | + NAUTILUS_FILE_ATTRIBUTE_DIRECTORY_ITEM_MIME_TYPES; +} + +static void +partition_attributes (NautilusFileAttributes attributes, + NautilusFileAttributes *delegated_attributes, + NautilusFileAttributes *non_delegated_attributes) +{ + NautilusFileAttributes mask; + + mask = get_delegated_attributes_mask (); + + *delegated_attributes = attributes & mask; + *non_delegated_attributes = attributes & ~mask; +} + +static void +desktop_directory_file_monitor_add (NautilusFile *file, + gconstpointer client, + NautilusFileAttributes attributes) +{ + NautilusDesktopDirectoryFile *desktop_file; + DesktopMonitor *monitor; + + desktop_file = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_FILE (file); + + /* Map the client to a unique value so this doesn't interfere + * with direct monitoring of the file by the same client. + */ + monitor = g_hash_table_lookup (desktop_file->details->monitors, client); + if (monitor != NULL) { + g_assert (monitor->desktop_file == desktop_file); + } else { + monitor = g_new0 (DesktopMonitor, 1); + monitor->desktop_file = desktop_file; + g_hash_table_insert (desktop_file->details->monitors, + (gpointer) client, monitor); + } + + partition_attributes (attributes, + &monitor->delegated_attributes, + &monitor->non_delegated_attributes); + + /* Pawn off partioned attributes to real dir file */ + nautilus_file_monitor_add (desktop_file->details->real_dir_file, + monitor, monitor->delegated_attributes); + + /* Do the rest ourself */ + nautilus_directory_monitor_add_internal + (file->details->directory, file, + monitor, TRUE, TRUE, + monitor->non_delegated_attributes, + NULL, NULL); +} + +static void +desktop_directory_file_monitor_remove (NautilusFile *file, + gconstpointer client) +{ + NautilusDesktopDirectoryFile *desktop_file; + DesktopMonitor *monitor; + + desktop_file = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_FILE (file); + + /* Map the client to the value used by the earlier add call. */ + monitor = g_hash_table_lookup (desktop_file->details->monitors, client); + if (monitor == NULL) { + return; + } + + /* Call through to the real file remove calls. */ + g_hash_table_remove (desktop_file->details->monitors, client); + + /* Remove the locally handled parts */ + nautilus_directory_monitor_remove_internal + (file->details->directory, file, client); +} + +static void +desktop_callback_destroy (DesktopCallback *desktop_callback) +{ + g_assert (desktop_callback != NULL); + g_assert (NAUTILUS_IS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_FILE (desktop_callback->desktop_file)); + + nautilus_file_unref (NAUTILUS_FILE (desktop_callback->desktop_file)); + g_list_free (desktop_callback->non_ready_files); + g_free (desktop_callback); +} + +static void +desktop_callback_check_done (DesktopCallback *desktop_callback) +{ + /* Check if we are ready. */ + if (desktop_callback->initializing || + desktop_callback->non_ready_files != NULL) { + return; + } + + /* Remove from the hash table before sending it. */ + g_hash_table_remove (desktop_callback->desktop_file->details->callbacks, + desktop_callback); + + /* We are ready, so do the real callback. */ + (* desktop_callback->callback) (NAUTILUS_FILE (desktop_callback->desktop_file), + desktop_callback->callback_data); + + /* And we are done. */ + desktop_callback_destroy (desktop_callback); +} + +static void +desktop_callback_remove_file (DesktopCallback *desktop_callback, + NautilusFile *file) +{ + desktop_callback->non_ready_files = g_list_remove + (desktop_callback->non_ready_files, file); + desktop_callback_check_done (desktop_callback); +} + +static void +ready_callback (NautilusFile *file, + gpointer callback_data) +{ + DesktopCallback *desktop_callback; + + g_assert (NAUTILUS_IS_FILE (file)); + g_assert (callback_data != NULL); + + desktop_callback = callback_data; + g_assert (g_list_find (desktop_callback->non_ready_files, file) != NULL); + + desktop_callback_remove_file (desktop_callback, file); +} + +static void +desktop_directory_file_call_when_ready (NautilusFile *file, + NautilusFileAttributes attributes, + NautilusFileCallback callback, + gpointer callback_data) + +{ + NautilusDesktopDirectoryFile *desktop_file; + DesktopCallback search_key, *desktop_callback; + + desktop_file = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_FILE (file); + + /* Check to be sure we aren't overwriting. */ + search_key.callback = callback; + search_key.callback_data = callback_data; + if (g_hash_table_lookup (desktop_file->details->callbacks, &search_key) != NULL) { + g_warning ("tried to add a new callback while an old one was pending"); + return; + } + + /* Create a desktop_callback record. */ + desktop_callback = g_new0 (DesktopCallback, 1); + nautilus_file_ref (file); + desktop_callback->desktop_file = desktop_file; + desktop_callback->callback = callback; + desktop_callback->callback_data = callback_data; + desktop_callback->initializing = TRUE; + + partition_attributes (attributes, + &desktop_callback->delegated_attributes, + &desktop_callback->non_delegated_attributes); + + desktop_callback->non_ready_files = g_list_prepend + (desktop_callback->non_ready_files, file); + desktop_callback->non_ready_files = g_list_prepend + (desktop_callback->non_ready_files, desktop_file->details->real_dir_file); + + /* Put it in the hash table. */ + g_hash_table_insert (desktop_file->details->callbacks, + desktop_callback, desktop_callback); + + /* Now connect to each file's call_when_ready. */ + nautilus_directory_call_when_ready_internal + (file->details->directory, file, + desktop_callback->non_delegated_attributes, + FALSE, NULL, ready_callback, desktop_callback); + nautilus_file_call_when_ready + (desktop_file->details->real_dir_file, + desktop_callback->delegated_attributes, + ready_callback, desktop_callback); + + desktop_callback->initializing = FALSE; + + /* Check if any files became read while we were connecting up + * the call_when_ready callbacks (also handles the pathological + * case where there are no files at all). + */ + desktop_callback_check_done (desktop_callback); + +} + +static void +desktop_directory_file_cancel_call_when_ready (NautilusFile *file, + NautilusFileCallback callback, + gpointer callback_data) +{ + NautilusDesktopDirectoryFile *desktop_file; + DesktopCallback search_key, *desktop_callback; + + desktop_file = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_FILE (file); + + /* Find the entry in the table. */ + search_key.callback = callback; + search_key.callback_data = callback_data; + desktop_callback = g_hash_table_lookup (desktop_file->details->callbacks, &search_key); + if (desktop_callback == NULL) { + return; + } + + /* Remove from the hash table before working with it. */ + g_hash_table_remove (desktop_callback->desktop_file->details->callbacks, desktop_callback); + + /* Tell the real directory to cancel the call. */ + nautilus_directory_cancel_callback_internal + (file->details->directory, file, + NULL, ready_callback, desktop_callback); + + nautilus_file_cancel_call_when_ready + (desktop_file->details->real_dir_file, + ready_callback, desktop_callback); + + desktop_callback_destroy (desktop_callback); +} + +static gboolean +real_check_if_ready (NautilusFile *file, + NautilusFileAttributes attributes) +{ + return nautilus_directory_check_if_ready_internal + (file->details->directory, file, + attributes); +} + +static gboolean +desktop_directory_file_check_if_ready (NautilusFile *file, + NautilusFileAttributes attributes) +{ + NautilusFileAttributes delegated_attributes, non_delegated_attributes; + NautilusDesktopDirectoryFile *desktop_file; + + desktop_file = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_FILE (file); + + partition_attributes (attributes, + &delegated_attributes, + &non_delegated_attributes); + + return real_check_if_ready (file, non_delegated_attributes) && + nautilus_file_check_if_ready (desktop_file->details->real_dir_file, + delegated_attributes); +} + +static GnomeVFSFileType +desktop_directory_file_get_file_type (NautilusFile *file) +{ + return GNOME_VFS_FILE_TYPE_DIRECTORY; +} + +static gboolean +desktop_directory_file_get_item_count (NautilusFile *file, + guint *count, + gboolean *count_unreadable) +{ + NautilusDesktopDirectoryFile *desktop_file; + gboolean got_count; + + desktop_file = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_FILE (file); + + got_count = nautilus_file_get_directory_item_count (desktop_file->details->real_dir_file, + count, + count_unreadable); + + if (count) { + *count += g_list_length (file->details->directory->details->file_list); + } + + return got_count; +} + +static NautilusRequestStatus +desktop_directory_file_get_deep_counts (NautilusFile *file, + guint *directory_count, + guint *file_count, + guint *unreadable_directory_count, + GnomeVFSFileSize *total_size) +{ + NautilusDesktopDirectoryFile *desktop_file; + NautilusRequestStatus status; + + desktop_file = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_FILE (file); + + status = nautilus_file_get_deep_counts (desktop_file->details->real_dir_file, + directory_count, + file_count, + unreadable_directory_count, + total_size); + + if (file_count) { + *file_count += g_list_length (file->details->directory->details->file_list); + } + + return status; +} + +static gboolean +desktop_directory_file_get_date (NautilusFile *file, + NautilusDateType date_type, + time_t *date) +{ + NautilusDesktopDirectoryFile *desktop_file; + + desktop_file = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_FILE (file); + + return nautilus_file_get_date (desktop_file->details->real_dir_file, + date_type, + date); +} + +static char * +desktop_directory_file_get_where_string (NautilusFile *file) +{ + return g_strdup (_("on the desktop")); +} + + +static void +monitor_destroy (gpointer data) +{ + DesktopMonitor *monitor = data; + + nautilus_file_monitor_remove + (NAUTILUS_FILE (monitor->desktop_file->details->real_dir_file), monitor); + g_free (monitor); +} + +static void +nautilus_desktop_directory_file_init (gpointer object, gpointer klass) +{ + NautilusDesktopDirectoryFile *desktop_file; + NautilusDesktopDirectory *desktop_directory; + NautilusDirectory *real_dir; + NautilusFile *real_dir_file; + + desktop_file = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_FILE (object); + + desktop_directory = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY (nautilus_directory_get (EEL_DESKTOP_URI)); + + desktop_file->details = g_new0 (NautilusDesktopDirectoryFileDetails, 1); + desktop_file->details->desktop_directory = desktop_directory; + + desktop_file->details->callbacks = g_hash_table_new + (desktop_callback_hash, desktop_callback_equal); + desktop_file->details->monitors = g_hash_table_new_full (NULL, NULL, + NULL, monitor_destroy); + + real_dir = nautilus_desktop_directory_get_real_directory (desktop_directory); + real_dir_file = nautilus_directory_get_corresponding_file (real_dir); + nautilus_directory_unref (real_dir); + + desktop_file->details->real_dir_file = real_dir_file; + + g_signal_connect_object (real_dir_file, "changed", + G_CALLBACK (real_file_changed_callback), desktop_file, 0); +} + + +static void +desktop_callback_remove_file_cover (gpointer key, + gpointer value, + gpointer callback_data) +{ + desktop_callback_remove_file + (value, NAUTILUS_FILE (callback_data)); +} + + +static void +desktop_finalize (GObject *object) +{ + NautilusDesktopDirectoryFile *desktop_file; + NautilusDesktopDirectory *desktop_directory; + + desktop_file = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_FILE (object); + desktop_directory = desktop_file->details->desktop_directory; + + /* Todo: ghash now safe? */ + eel_g_hash_table_safe_for_each + (desktop_file->details->callbacks, + desktop_callback_remove_file_cover, + desktop_file->details->real_dir_file); + + if (g_hash_table_size (desktop_file->details->callbacks) != 0) { + g_warning ("call_when_ready still pending when desktop virtual file is destroyed"); + } + + g_hash_table_destroy (desktop_file->details->callbacks); + g_hash_table_destroy (desktop_file->details->monitors); + + nautilus_file_unref (desktop_file->details->real_dir_file); + + g_free (desktop_file->details); + + nautilus_directory_unref (NAUTILUS_DIRECTORY (desktop_directory)); + + EEL_CALL_PARENT (G_OBJECT_CLASS, finalize, (object)); +} + +static void +nautilus_desktop_directory_file_class_init (gpointer klass) +{ + GObjectClass *object_class; + NautilusFileClass *file_class; + + object_class = G_OBJECT_CLASS (klass); + file_class = NAUTILUS_FILE_CLASS (klass); + + object_class->finalize = desktop_finalize; + + file_class->monitor_add = desktop_directory_file_monitor_add; + file_class->monitor_remove = desktop_directory_file_monitor_remove; + file_class->call_when_ready = desktop_directory_file_call_when_ready; + file_class->cancel_call_when_ready = desktop_directory_file_cancel_call_when_ready; + file_class->check_if_ready = desktop_directory_file_check_if_ready; + file_class->get_file_type = desktop_directory_file_get_file_type; + file_class->get_item_count = desktop_directory_file_get_item_count; + file_class->get_deep_counts = desktop_directory_file_get_deep_counts; + file_class->get_date = desktop_directory_file_get_date; + file_class->get_where_string = desktop_directory_file_get_where_string; +} Index: libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-directory-file.h =================================================================== RCS file: libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-directory-file.h diff -N libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-directory-file.h --- /dev/null 1 Jan 1970 00:00:00 -0000 +++ libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-directory-file.h 15 May 2003 17:08:04 -0000 @@ -0,0 +1,55 @@ +/* -*- Mode: C; indent-tabs-mode: t; c-basic-offset: 8; tab-width: 8 -*- + + nautilus-desktop-directory-file.h: Subclass of NautilusFile to implement the + the case of the desktop directory + + Copyright (C) 2003 Red Hat, Inc. + + This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or + modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as + published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the + License, or (at your option) any later version. + + This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, + but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of + MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU + General Public License for more details. + + You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public + License along with this program; if not, write to the + Free Software Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, + Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA. + + Author: Alexander Larsson +*/ + +#ifndef NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_FILE_H +#define NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_FILE_H + +#include + +#define NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_FILE \ + (nautilus_desktop_directory_file_get_type ()) +#define NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_FILE(obj) \ + (GTK_CHECK_CAST ((obj), NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_FILE, NautilusDesktopDirectoryFile)) +#define NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_FILE_CLASS(klass) \ + (GTK_CHECK_CLASS_CAST ((klass), NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_FILE, NautilusDesktopDirectoryFileClass)) +#define NAUTILUS_IS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_FILE(obj) \ + (GTK_CHECK_TYPE ((obj), NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_FILE)) +#define NAUTILUS_IS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_FILE_CLASS(klass) \ + (GTK_CHECK_CLASS_TYPE ((klass), NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_FILE)) + +typedef struct NautilusDesktopDirectoryFileDetails NautilusDesktopDirectoryFileDetails; + +typedef struct { + NautilusFile parent_slot; + NautilusDesktopDirectoryFileDetails *details; +} NautilusDesktopDirectoryFile; + +typedef struct { + NautilusFileClass parent_slot; +} NautilusDesktopDirectoryFileClass; + +GType nautilus_desktop_directory_file_get_type (void); + +#endif /* NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_FILE_H */ Index: libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-directory.c =================================================================== RCS file: libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-directory.c diff -N libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-directory.c --- /dev/null 1 Jan 1970 00:00:00 -0000 +++ libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-directory.c 15 May 2003 17:08:04 -0000 @@ -0,0 +1,496 @@ +/* -*- Mode: C; indent-tabs-mode: t; c-basic-offset: 8; tab-width: 8 -*- + + nautilus-desktop-directory.c: Subclass of NautilusDirectory to implement + a virtual directory consisting of the desktop directory and the desktop + icons + + Copyright (C) 2003 Red Hat, Inc. + + This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or + modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as + published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the + License, or (at your option) any later version. + + This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, + but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of + MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU + General Public License for more details. + + You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public + License along with this program; if not, write to the + Free Software Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, + Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA. + + Author: Alexander Larsson +*/ + +#include +#include "nautilus-desktop-directory.h" + +#include "nautilus-directory-private.h" +#include "nautilus-file.h" +#include "nautilus-file-private.h" +#include "nautilus-file-utilities.h" +#include +#include +#include +#include + +struct NautilusDesktopDirectoryDetails { + NautilusDirectory *real_directory; + GHashTable *callbacks; + GHashTable *monitors; +}; + +typedef struct { + NautilusDesktopDirectory *desktop_dir; + NautilusDirectoryCallback callback; + gpointer callback_data; + + NautilusFileAttributes wait_for_attributes; + gboolean wait_for_file_list; + + GList *non_ready_directories; + GList *merged_file_list; +} MergedCallback; + + +typedef struct { + NautilusDesktopDirectory *desktop_dir; + + gboolean monitor_hidden_files; + gboolean monitor_backup_files; + NautilusFileAttributes monitor_attributes; +} MergedMonitor; + + +GNOME_CLASS_BOILERPLATE (NautilusDesktopDirectory, nautilus_desktop_directory, + NautilusDirectory, NAUTILUS_TYPE_DIRECTORY) + + +static gboolean +desktop_contains_file (NautilusDirectory *directory, + NautilusFile *file) +{ + NautilusDesktopDirectory *desktop; + + desktop = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY (directory); + + if (nautilus_directory_contains_file (desktop->details->real_directory, file)) { + return TRUE; + } + + return file->details->directory == directory; +} + +static guint +merged_callback_hash (gconstpointer merged_callback_as_pointer) +{ + const MergedCallback *merged_callback; + + merged_callback = merged_callback_as_pointer; + return GPOINTER_TO_UINT (merged_callback->callback) + ^ GPOINTER_TO_UINT (merged_callback->callback_data); +} + +static gboolean +merged_callback_equal (gconstpointer merged_callback_as_pointer, + gconstpointer merged_callback_as_pointer_2) +{ + const MergedCallback *merged_callback, *merged_callback_2; + + merged_callback = merged_callback_as_pointer; + merged_callback_2 = merged_callback_as_pointer_2; + + return merged_callback->callback == merged_callback_2->callback + && merged_callback->callback_data == merged_callback_2->callback_data; +} + +static void +merged_callback_destroy (MergedCallback *merged_callback) +{ + g_assert (merged_callback != NULL); + g_assert (NAUTILUS_IS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY (merged_callback->desktop_dir)); + + g_list_free (merged_callback->non_ready_directories); + nautilus_file_list_free (merged_callback->merged_file_list); + g_free (merged_callback); +} + +static void +merged_callback_check_done (MergedCallback *merged_callback) +{ + /* Check if we are ready. */ + if (merged_callback->non_ready_directories != NULL) { + return; + } + + /* Remove from the hash table before sending it. */ + g_hash_table_steal (merged_callback->desktop_dir->details->callbacks, merged_callback); + + /* We are ready, so do the real callback. */ + (* merged_callback->callback) (NAUTILUS_DIRECTORY (merged_callback->desktop_dir), + merged_callback->merged_file_list, + merged_callback->callback_data); + + /* And we are done. */ + merged_callback_destroy (merged_callback); +} + +static void +merged_callback_remove_directory (MergedCallback *merged_callback, + NautilusDirectory *directory) +{ + merged_callback->non_ready_directories = g_list_remove + (merged_callback->non_ready_directories, directory); + merged_callback_check_done (merged_callback); +} + +static void +directory_ready_callback (NautilusDirectory *directory, + GList *files, + gpointer callback_data) +{ + MergedCallback *merged_callback; + + g_assert (NAUTILUS_IS_DIRECTORY (directory)); + g_assert (callback_data != NULL); + + merged_callback = callback_data; + g_assert (g_list_find (merged_callback->non_ready_directories, directory) != NULL); + + /* Update based on this call. */ + merged_callback->merged_file_list = g_list_concat + (merged_callback->merged_file_list, + nautilus_file_list_copy (files)); + + /* Check if we are ready. */ + merged_callback_remove_directory (merged_callback, directory); +} + +static void +desktop_call_when_ready (NautilusDirectory *directory, + NautilusFileAttributes file_attributes, + gboolean wait_for_file_list, + NautilusDirectoryCallback callback, + gpointer callback_data) +{ + NautilusDesktopDirectory *desktop; + MergedCallback search_key, *merged_callback; + + desktop = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY (directory); + + /* Check to be sure we aren't overwriting. */ + search_key.callback = callback; + search_key.callback_data = callback_data; + if (g_hash_table_lookup (desktop->details->callbacks, &search_key) != NULL) { + g_warning ("tried to add a new callback while an old one was pending"); + return; + } + + /* Create a merged_callback record. */ + merged_callback = g_new0 (MergedCallback, 1); + merged_callback->desktop_dir = desktop; + merged_callback->callback = callback; + merged_callback->callback_data = callback_data; + merged_callback->wait_for_attributes = file_attributes; + merged_callback->wait_for_file_list = wait_for_file_list; + merged_callback->non_ready_directories = g_list_prepend + (merged_callback->non_ready_directories, directory); + merged_callback->non_ready_directories = g_list_prepend + (merged_callback->non_ready_directories, desktop->details->real_directory); + + + merged_callback->merged_file_list = g_list_concat (NULL, + nautilus_file_list_copy (directory->details->file_list)); + + /* Put it in the hash table. */ + g_hash_table_insert (desktop->details->callbacks, + merged_callback, merged_callback); + + /* Now tell all the directories about it. */ + nautilus_directory_call_when_ready + (desktop->details->real_directory, + merged_callback->wait_for_attributes, + merged_callback->wait_for_file_list, + directory_ready_callback, merged_callback); + nautilus_directory_call_when_ready_internal + (directory, + NULL, + merged_callback->wait_for_attributes, + merged_callback->wait_for_file_list, + directory_ready_callback, + NULL, + merged_callback); + +} + +static void +desktop_cancel_callback (NautilusDirectory *directory, + NautilusDirectoryCallback callback, + gpointer callback_data) +{ + NautilusDesktopDirectory *desktop; + MergedCallback search_key, *merged_callback; + GList *node; + + desktop = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY (directory); + + /* Find the entry in the table. */ + search_key.callback = callback; + search_key.callback_data = callback_data; + merged_callback = g_hash_table_lookup (desktop->details->callbacks, &search_key); + if (merged_callback == NULL) { + return; + } + + /* Remove from the hash table before working with it. */ + g_hash_table_steal (merged_callback->desktop_dir->details->callbacks, merged_callback); + + /* Tell all the directories to cancel the call. */ + for (node = merged_callback->non_ready_directories; node != NULL; node = node->next) { + nautilus_directory_cancel_callback + (node->data, + directory_ready_callback, merged_callback); + } + merged_callback_destroy (merged_callback); +} + +static void +merged_monitor_destroy (MergedMonitor *monitor) +{ + NautilusDesktopDirectory *desktop; + + desktop = monitor->desktop_dir; + + /* Call through to the real directory remove calls. */ + nautilus_directory_file_monitor_remove (desktop->details->real_directory, monitor); + + nautilus_directory_monitor_remove_internal (NAUTILUS_DIRECTORY (desktop), NULL, monitor); + + g_free (monitor); +} + +static void +build_merged_callback_list (NautilusDirectory *directory, + GList *file_list, + gpointer callback_data) +{ + GList **merged_list; + + merged_list = callback_data; + *merged_list = g_list_concat (*merged_list, + nautilus_file_list_copy (file_list)); +} + +static void +desktop_monitor_add (NautilusDirectory *directory, + gconstpointer client, + gboolean monitor_hidden_files, + gboolean monitor_backup_files, + NautilusFileAttributes file_attributes, + NautilusDirectoryCallback callback, + gpointer callback_data) +{ + NautilusDesktopDirectory *desktop; + MergedMonitor *monitor; + GList *merged_callback_list; + + desktop = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY (directory); + + /* Map the client to a unique value so this doesn't interfere + * with direct monitoring of the directory by the same client. + */ + monitor = g_hash_table_lookup (desktop->details->monitors, client); + if (monitor != NULL) { + g_assert (monitor->desktop_dir == desktop); + } else { + monitor = g_new0 (MergedMonitor, 1); + monitor->desktop_dir = desktop; + g_hash_table_insert (desktop->details->monitors, + (gpointer) client, monitor); + } + monitor->monitor_hidden_files = monitor_hidden_files; + monitor->monitor_backup_files = monitor_backup_files; + monitor->monitor_attributes = file_attributes; + + /* Call through to the real directory add calls. */ + merged_callback_list = NULL; + + /* Call up to real dir */ + nautilus_directory_file_monitor_add + (desktop->details->real_directory, monitor, + monitor_hidden_files, monitor_backup_files, + file_attributes, + build_merged_callback_list, &merged_callback_list); + + /* Handle the desktop part */ + merged_callback_list = g_list_concat (merged_callback_list, + nautilus_file_list_copy (directory->details->file_list)); + + + if (callback != NULL) { + (* callback) (directory, merged_callback_list, callback_data); + } + nautilus_file_list_free (merged_callback_list); +} + +static void +desktop_monitor_remove (NautilusDirectory *directory, + gconstpointer client) +{ + NautilusDesktopDirectory *desktop; + MergedMonitor *monitor; + + desktop = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY (directory); + + monitor = g_hash_table_lookup (desktop->details->monitors, client); + if (monitor == NULL) { + return; + } + + g_hash_table_remove (desktop->details->monitors, client); +} + +static void +desktop_force_reload (NautilusDirectory *directory) +{ + NautilusDesktopDirectory *desktop; + + desktop = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY (directory); + + nautilus_directory_force_reload (desktop->details->real_directory); + + /* We don't invalidate the files in desktop, since they are always + up to date. (And we don't ever want to mark them invalid.) */ +} + +static gboolean +desktop_are_all_files_seen (NautilusDirectory *directory) +{ + NautilusDesktopDirectory *desktop; + + desktop = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY (directory); + + if (!nautilus_directory_are_all_files_seen (desktop->details->real_directory)) { + return FALSE; + } + + return TRUE; +} + +static gboolean +desktop_is_not_empty (NautilusDirectory *directory) +{ + NautilusDesktopDirectory *desktop; + + desktop = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY (directory); + + if (nautilus_directory_is_not_empty (desktop->details->real_directory)) { + return TRUE; + } + + return directory->details->file_list != NULL; +} + +NautilusDirectory * +nautilus_desktop_directory_get_real_directory (NautilusDesktopDirectory *desktop) +{ + nautilus_directory_ref (desktop->details->real_directory); + return desktop->details->real_directory; +} + + +static void +desktop_finalize (GObject *object) +{ + NautilusDesktopDirectory *desktop; + + desktop = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY (object); + + nautilus_directory_unref (desktop->details->real_directory); + g_free (desktop->details); + + g_hash_table_destroy (desktop->details->callbacks); + g_hash_table_destroy (desktop->details->monitors); + + G_OBJECT_CLASS (parent_class)->finalize (object); +} + +static void +done_loading_callback (NautilusDirectory *real_directory, + NautilusDesktopDirectory *desktop) +{ + nautilus_directory_emit_done_loading (NAUTILUS_DIRECTORY (desktop)); +} + + +static void +forward_files_added_cover (NautilusDirectory *real_directory, + GList *files, + gpointer callback_data) +{ + nautilus_directory_emit_files_added (NAUTILUS_DIRECTORY (callback_data), files); +} + +static void +forward_files_changed_cover (NautilusDirectory *real_directory, + GList *files, + gpointer callback_data) +{ + nautilus_directory_emit_files_changed (NAUTILUS_DIRECTORY (callback_data), files); +} + + +static void +nautilus_desktop_directory_instance_init (NautilusDesktopDirectory *desktop) +{ + char *desktop_path; + char *desktop_uri; + NautilusDirectory *real_directory; + + desktop->details = g_new0 (NautilusDesktopDirectoryDetails, 1); + + desktop_path = nautilus_get_desktop_directory (); + desktop_uri = gnome_vfs_get_uri_from_local_path (desktop_path); + desktop->details->real_directory = nautilus_directory_get (desktop_uri); + g_free (desktop_uri); + g_free (desktop_path); + + desktop->details->callbacks = g_hash_table_new_full + (merged_callback_hash, merged_callback_equal, + NULL, (GDestroyNotify)merged_callback_destroy); + desktop->details->monitors = g_hash_table_new_full (NULL, NULL, + NULL, (GDestroyNotify)merged_monitor_destroy); + + real_directory = desktop->details->real_directory; + + g_signal_connect_object (real_directory, "done_loading", + G_CALLBACK (done_loading_callback), desktop, 0); + + g_signal_connect_object (real_directory, "files_added", + G_CALLBACK (forward_files_added_cover), desktop, 0); + g_signal_connect_object (real_directory, "files_changed", + G_CALLBACK (forward_files_changed_cover), desktop, 0); + +} + +static void +nautilus_desktop_directory_class_init (NautilusDesktopDirectoryClass *class) +{ + NautilusDirectoryClass *directory_class; + + directory_class = NAUTILUS_DIRECTORY_CLASS (class); + + G_OBJECT_CLASS (class)->finalize = desktop_finalize; + + directory_class->contains_file = desktop_contains_file; + directory_class->call_when_ready = desktop_call_when_ready; + directory_class->cancel_callback = desktop_cancel_callback; + directory_class->file_monitor_add = desktop_monitor_add; + directory_class->file_monitor_remove = desktop_monitor_remove; + directory_class->force_reload = desktop_force_reload; + directory_class->are_all_files_seen = desktop_are_all_files_seen; + directory_class->is_not_empty = desktop_is_not_empty; +} + Index: libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-directory.h =================================================================== RCS file: libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-directory.h diff -N libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-directory.h --- /dev/null 1 Jan 1970 00:00:00 -0000 +++ libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-directory.h 15 May 2003 17:08:04 -0000 @@ -0,0 +1,58 @@ +/* -*- Mode: C; indent-tabs-mode: t; c-basic-offset: 8; tab-width: 8 -*- + + nautilus-desktop-directory.h: Subclass of NautilusDirectory to implement + a virtual directory consisting of the desktop directory and the desktop + icons + + Copyright (C) 2003 Red Hat, Inc. + + This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or + modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as + published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the + License, or (at your option) any later version. + + This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, + but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of + MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU + General Public License for more details. + + You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public + License along with this program; if not, write to the + Free Software Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, + Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA. + + Author: Alexander Larsson +*/ + +#ifndef NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_H +#define NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_H + +#include + +#define NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY \ + (nautilus_desktop_directory_get_type ()) +#define NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY(obj) \ + (GTK_CHECK_CAST ((obj), NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY, NautilusDesktopDirectory)) +#define NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_CLASS(klass) \ + (GTK_CHECK_CLASS_CAST ((klass), NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY, NautilusDesktopDirectoryClass)) +#define NAUTILUS_IS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY(obj) \ + (GTK_CHECK_TYPE ((obj), NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY)) +#define NAUTILUS_IS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_CLASS(klass) \ + (GTK_CHECK_CLASS_TYPE ((klass), NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY)) + +typedef struct NautilusDesktopDirectoryDetails NautilusDesktopDirectoryDetails; + +typedef struct { + NautilusDirectory parent_slot; + NautilusDesktopDirectoryDetails *details; +} NautilusDesktopDirectory; + +typedef struct { + NautilusDirectoryClass parent_slot; + +} NautilusDesktopDirectoryClass; + +GType nautilus_desktop_directory_get_type (void); +NautilusDirectory * nautilus_desktop_directory_get_real_directory (NautilusDesktopDirectory *desktop_directory); + +#endif /* NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_H */ Index: libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-icon-file.c =================================================================== RCS file: libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-icon-file.c diff -N libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-icon-file.c --- /dev/null 1 Jan 1970 00:00:00 -0000 +++ libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-icon-file.c 15 May 2003 17:08:04 -0000 @@ -0,0 +1,344 @@ +/* -*- Mode: C; indent-tabs-mode: t; c-basic-offset: 8; tab-width: 8 -*- + + nautilus-desktop-icon-file.c: Subclass of NautilusFile to help implement the + virtual desktop icons. + + Copyright (C) 2003 Red Hat, Inc. + + This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or + modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as + published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the + License, or (at your option) any later version. + + This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, + but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of + MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU + General Public License for more details. + + You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public + License along with this program; if not, write to the + Free Software Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, + Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA. + + Author: Alexander Larsson +*/ + +#include +#include "nautilus-desktop-icon-file.h" + +#include "nautilus-directory-notify.h" +#include "nautilus-directory-private.h" +#include "nautilus-file-attributes.h" +#include "nautilus-file-private.h" +#include "nautilus-file-utilities.h" +#include +#include +#include "nautilus-desktop-directory.h" +#include +#include +#include +#include + +struct NautilusDesktopIconFileDetails { + NautilusDesktopLink *link; +}; + +static void nautilus_desktop_icon_file_init (gpointer object, + gpointer klass); +static void nautilus_desktop_icon_file_class_init (gpointer klass); + +EEL_CLASS_BOILERPLATE (NautilusDesktopIconFile, + nautilus_desktop_icon_file, + NAUTILUS_TYPE_FILE) + +static void +desktop_icon_file_monitor_add (NautilusFile *file, + gconstpointer client, + NautilusFileAttributes attributes) +{ + nautilus_directory_monitor_add_internal + (file->details->directory, file, + client, TRUE, TRUE, attributes, NULL, NULL); +} + +static void +desktop_icon_file_monitor_remove (NautilusFile *file, + gconstpointer client) +{ + nautilus_directory_monitor_remove_internal + (file->details->directory, file, client); +} + + +static void +desktop_icon_file_call_when_ready (NautilusFile *file, + NautilusFileAttributes attributes, + NautilusFileCallback callback, + gpointer callback_data) + +{ + nautilus_directory_call_when_ready_internal + (file->details->directory, file, + attributes, FALSE, NULL, callback, callback_data); +} + +static void +desktop_icon_file_cancel_call_when_ready (NautilusFile *file, + NautilusFileCallback callback, + gpointer callback_data) +{ + nautilus_directory_cancel_callback_internal + (file->details->directory, file, + NULL, callback, callback_data); +} + +static gboolean +desktop_icon_file_check_if_ready (NautilusFile *file, + NautilusFileAttributes attributes) +{ + return nautilus_directory_check_if_ready_internal + (file->details->directory, file, + attributes); +} + +static GnomeVFSFileType +desktop_icon_file_get_file_type (NautilusFile *file) +{ + return GNOME_VFS_FILE_TYPE_REGULAR; +} + +static gboolean +desktop_icon_file_get_item_count (NautilusFile *file, + guint *count, + gboolean *count_unreadable) +{ + if (count != NULL) { + *count = 0; + } + if (count_unreadable != NULL) { + *count_unreadable = FALSE; + } + return TRUE; +} + +static NautilusRequestStatus +desktop_icon_file_get_deep_counts (NautilusFile *file, + guint *directory_count, + guint *file_count, + guint *unreadable_directory_count, + GnomeVFSFileSize *total_size) +{ + if (directory_count != NULL) { + *directory_count = 0; + } + if (file_count != NULL) { + *file_count = 0; + } + if (unreadable_directory_count != NULL) { + *unreadable_directory_count = 0; + } + if (total_size != NULL) { + *total_size = 0; + } + + return NAUTILUS_REQUEST_DONE; +} + +static gboolean +desktop_icon_file_get_date (NautilusFile *file, + NautilusDateType date_type, + time_t *date) +{ + NautilusDesktopIconFile *desktop_file; + + desktop_file = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE (file); + + return nautilus_desktop_link_get_date (desktop_file->details->link, + date_type, date); +} + +static char * +desktop_icon_file_get_where_string (NautilusFile *file) +{ + return g_strdup (_("on the desktop")); +} + +static void +nautilus_desktop_icon_file_init (gpointer object, gpointer klass) +{ + NautilusDesktopIconFile *desktop_file; + + desktop_file = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE (object); + + desktop_file->details = g_new0 (NautilusDesktopIconFileDetails, 1); +} + +static void +update_info_from_link (NautilusDesktopIconFile *icon_file) +{ + NautilusFile *file; + GnomeVFSFileInfo *file_info; + NautilusDesktopLink *link; + + file = NAUTILUS_FILE (icon_file); + + link = icon_file->details->link; + + if (link == NULL) { + return; + } + + file_info = file->details->info; + + gnome_vfs_file_info_clear (file_info); + + file_info->name = nautilus_desktop_link_get_file_name (link); + file_info->mime_type = g_strdup ("application/x-nautilus-link"); + file_info->type = GNOME_VFS_FILE_TYPE_REGULAR; + file_info->flags = GNOME_VFS_FILE_FLAGS_NONE; + file_info->link_count = 1; + file_info->size = 0; + + file_info->valid_fields = GNOME_VFS_FILE_INFO_FIELDS_TYPE | + GNOME_VFS_FILE_INFO_FIELDS_FLAGS | + GNOME_VFS_FILE_INFO_FIELDS_MIME_TYPE | + GNOME_VFS_FILE_INFO_FIELDS_SIZE | + GNOME_VFS_FILE_INFO_FIELDS_LINK_COUNT; + + file->details->file_info_is_up_to_date = TRUE; + + g_free (file->details->display_name); + file->details->display_name = nautilus_desktop_link_get_display_name (link); + g_free (file->details->custom_icon); + file->details->custom_icon = nautilus_desktop_link_get_icon (link); + g_free (file->details->activation_uri); + file->details->activation_uri = nautilus_desktop_link_get_activation_uri (link); + file->details->got_link_info = TRUE; + file->details->link_info_is_up_to_date = TRUE; + + file->details->directory_count = 0; + file->details->got_directory_count = TRUE; + file->details->directory_count_is_up_to_date = TRUE; +} + +void +nautilus_desktop_icon_file_update (NautilusDesktopIconFile *icon_file) +{ + NautilusFile *file; + + update_info_from_link (icon_file); + file = NAUTILUS_FILE (icon_file); + nautilus_file_clear_cached_display_name (file); + nautilus_file_changed (file); +} + +void +nautilus_desktop_icon_file_remove (NautilusDesktopIconFile *icon_file) +{ + NautilusFile *file; + GList list; + + icon_file->details->link = NULL; + + file = NAUTILUS_FILE (icon_file); + + /* ref here because we might be removing the last ref when we + * mark the file gone below, but we need to keep a ref at + * least long enough to send the change notification. + */ + nautilus_file_ref (file); + + file->details->is_gone = TRUE; + + list.data = file; + list.next = NULL; + list.prev = NULL; + + nautilus_directory_remove_file (file->details->directory, file); + nautilus_directory_emit_change_signals (file->details->directory, &list); + + nautilus_file_unref (file); +} + + +NautilusDesktopIconFile * +nautilus_desktop_icon_file_new (NautilusDesktopLink *link) +{ + NautilusFile *file; + NautilusDirectory *directory; + NautilusDesktopIconFile *icon_file; + char *name; + GList list; + + directory = nautilus_directory_get (EEL_DESKTOP_URI); + + file = NAUTILUS_FILE (g_object_new (NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE, NULL)); + +#ifdef NAUTILUS_FILE_DEBUG_REF + printf("%10p ref'd\n", file); + eazel_dump_stack_trace ("\t", 10); +#endif + + nautilus_directory_ref (directory); + file->details->directory = directory; + + icon_file = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE (file); + icon_file->details->link = link; + + file->details->info = gnome_vfs_file_info_new (); + name = nautilus_desktop_link_get_file_name (link); + file->details->relative_uri = gnome_vfs_escape_string (name); + g_free (name); + + update_info_from_link (icon_file); + + nautilus_directory_add_file (directory, file); + + list.data = file; + list.next = NULL; + list.prev = NULL; + nautilus_directory_emit_files_added (directory, &list); + + return icon_file; +} + +NautilusDesktopLink * +nautilus_desktop_icon_file_get_link (NautilusDesktopIconFile *icon_file) +{ + return g_object_ref (icon_file->details->link); +} + +static void +desktop_finalize (GObject *object) +{ + NautilusDesktopIconFile *desktop_file; + + desktop_file = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE (object); + + g_free (desktop_file->details); + + EEL_CALL_PARENT (G_OBJECT_CLASS, finalize, (object)); +} + +static void +nautilus_desktop_icon_file_class_init (gpointer klass) +{ + GObjectClass *object_class; + NautilusFileClass *file_class; + + object_class = G_OBJECT_CLASS (klass); + file_class = NAUTILUS_FILE_CLASS (klass); + + object_class->finalize = desktop_finalize; + + file_class->monitor_add = desktop_icon_file_monitor_add; + file_class->monitor_remove = desktop_icon_file_monitor_remove; + file_class->call_when_ready = desktop_icon_file_call_when_ready; + file_class->cancel_call_when_ready = desktop_icon_file_cancel_call_when_ready; + file_class->check_if_ready = desktop_icon_file_check_if_ready; + file_class->get_file_type = desktop_icon_file_get_file_type; + file_class->get_item_count = desktop_icon_file_get_item_count; + file_class->get_deep_counts = desktop_icon_file_get_deep_counts; + file_class->get_date = desktop_icon_file_get_date; + file_class->get_where_string = desktop_icon_file_get_where_string; +} Index: libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-icon-file.h =================================================================== RCS file: libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-icon-file.h diff -N libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-icon-file.h --- /dev/null 1 Jan 1970 00:00:00 -0000 +++ libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-icon-file.h 15 May 2003 17:08:04 -0000 @@ -0,0 +1,61 @@ +/* -*- Mode: C; indent-tabs-mode: t; c-basic-offset: 8; tab-width: 8 -*- + + nautilus-desktop-file.h: Subclass of NautilusFile to implement the + the case of a desktop icon file + + Copyright (C) 2003 Red Hat, Inc. + + This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or + modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as + published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the + License, or (at your option) any later version. + + This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, + but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of + MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU + General Public License for more details. + + You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public + License along with this program; if not, write to the + Free Software Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, + Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA. + + Author: Alexander Larsson +*/ + +#ifndef NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE_H +#define NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE_H + +#include +#include + +#define NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE \ + (nautilus_desktop_icon_file_get_type ()) +#define NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE(obj) \ + (GTK_CHECK_CAST ((obj), NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE, NautilusDesktopIconFile)) +#define NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE_CLASS(klass) \ + (GTK_CHECK_CLASS_CAST ((klass), NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE, NautilusDesktopIconFileClass)) +#define NAUTILUS_IS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE(obj) \ + (GTK_CHECK_TYPE ((obj), NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE)) +#define NAUTILUS_IS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE_CLASS(klass) \ + (GTK_CHECK_CLASS_TYPE ((klass), NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE)) + +typedef struct NautilusDesktopIconFileDetails NautilusDesktopIconFileDetails; + +typedef struct { + NautilusFile parent_slot; + NautilusDesktopIconFileDetails *details; +} NautilusDesktopIconFile; + +typedef struct { + NautilusFileClass parent_slot; +} NautilusDesktopIconFileClass; + +GType nautilus_desktop_icon_file_get_type (void); + +NautilusDesktopIconFile *nautilus_desktop_icon_file_new (NautilusDesktopLink *link); +void nautilus_desktop_icon_file_update (NautilusDesktopIconFile *icon_file); +void nautilus_desktop_icon_file_remove (NautilusDesktopIconFile *icon_file); +NautilusDesktopLink *nautilus_desktop_icon_file_get_link (NautilusDesktopIconFile *icon_file); + +#endif /* NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE_H */ Index: libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-link-monitor.c =================================================================== RCS file: libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-link-monitor.c diff -N libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-link-monitor.c --- /dev/null 1 Jan 1970 00:00:00 -0000 +++ libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-link-monitor.c 15 May 2003 17:08:04 -0000 @@ -0,0 +1,354 @@ +/* -*- Mode: C; indent-tabs-mode: t; c-basic-offset: 8; tab-width: 8 -*- + + nautilus-desktop-link-monitor.c: singleton thatn manages the links + + Copyright (C) 2003 Red Hat, Inc. + + This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or + modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as + published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the + License, or (at your option) any later version. + + This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, + but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of + MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU + General Public License for more details. + + You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public + License along with this program; if not, write to the + Free Software Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, + Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA. + + Author: Alexander Larsson +*/ + +#include +#include "nautilus-desktop-link-monitor.h" +#include "nautilus-desktop-link.h" +#include "nautilus-desktop-icon-file.h" +#include "nautilus-directory.h" +#include "nautilus-desktop-directory.h" +#include "nautilus-global-preferences.h" + +#include +#include +#include +#include +#include +#include +#include +#include +#include +#include + +struct NautilusDesktopLinkMonitorDetails { + NautilusDirectory *desktop_dir; + + NautilusDesktopLink *home_link; + NautilusDesktopLink *trash_link; + + GList *volume_links; + + GList *mount_black_list; +}; + + +static void nautilus_desktop_link_monitor_init (gpointer object, + gpointer klass); +static void nautilus_desktop_link_monitor_class_init (gpointer klass); + +EEL_CLASS_BOILERPLATE (NautilusDesktopLinkMonitor, + nautilus_desktop_link_monitor, + G_TYPE_OBJECT) + +static NautilusDesktopLinkMonitor *link_monitor = NULL; + +NautilusDesktopLinkMonitor * +nautilus_desktop_link_monitor_get (void) +{ + if (link_monitor == NULL) { + link_monitor = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_MONITOR (g_object_new (NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_LINK_MONITOR, NULL)); + } + return link_monitor; +} + +void +nautilus_desktop_link_monitor_delete_link (NautilusDesktopLinkMonitor *monitor, + NautilusDesktopLink *link, + GtkWidget *parent_view) +{ + /* FIXME: Is this right? How to get them back? + * Do we disallow this, or add a prefs ui to get them back? */ + + switch (nautilus_desktop_link_get_link_type (link)) { + case NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_HOME: + eel_preferences_set_boolean (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_HOME_VISIBLE, FALSE); + break; + case NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_TRASH: + eel_preferences_set_boolean (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_TRASH_VISIBLE, FALSE); + break; + default: + eel_run_simple_dialog + (parent_view, + FALSE, + _("You cannot delete a volume icon. If you want to eject " + "the volume, please use Eject in the right-click menu of " + "the volume."), + _("Can't delete volume"), + GTK_STOCK_OK, NULL); + break; + } +} + + +static gboolean +volume_in_black_list (NautilusDesktopLinkMonitor *monitor, + const NautilusVolume *volume) +{ + GList *p; + + g_return_val_if_fail (NAUTILUS_IS_DESKTOP_LINK_MONITOR (monitor), TRUE); + + for (p = monitor->details->mount_black_list; p != NULL; p = p->next) { + if (strcmp ((char *) p->data, nautilus_volume_get_mount_path (volume)) == 0) { + return TRUE; + } + } + + return FALSE; +} + +static gboolean +volume_name_exists (NautilusDesktopLinkMonitor *monitor, + const char *name) +{ + GList *l; + char *other_name; + + for (l = monitor->details->volume_links; l != NULL; l = l->next) { + other_name = nautilus_desktop_link_get_display_name (l->data); + if (strcmp (name, other_name) == 0) { + g_free (other_name); + return TRUE; + } + g_free (other_name); + } + return FALSE; +} + +static void +create_volume_link (NautilusDesktopLinkMonitor *monitor, + const NautilusVolume *volume) +{ + NautilusDesktopLink *link; + char *volume_name; + char *unique_name; + int index; + + if (volume_in_black_list (monitor, volume)) { + return; + } + + /* FIXME bugzilla.gnome.org 45412: Design a comprehensive desktop mounting strategy */ + if (!nautilus_volume_is_removable (volume)) { + return; + } + + volume_name = nautilus_volume_get_name (volume); + index = 1; + + unique_name = g_strdup (volume_name); + while (volume_name_exists (monitor, volume_name)) { + g_free (unique_name); + unique_name = g_strdup_printf ("%s (%d)", volume_name, index); + } + + if (index != 1) { + nautilus_volume_monitor_set_volume_name (nautilus_volume_monitor_get (), + volume, unique_name); + } + g_free (volume_name); + g_free (unique_name); + + link = nautilus_desktop_link_new_from_volume (volume); + monitor->details->volume_links = g_list_prepend (monitor->details->volume_links, link); +} + +static gboolean +create_one_volume_link (const NautilusVolume *volume, gpointer callback_data) +{ + create_volume_link (NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_MONITOR (callback_data), + volume); + return TRUE; +} + + +static void +volume_mounted_callback (NautilusVolumeMonitor *volume_monitor, + NautilusVolume *volume, + NautilusDesktopLinkMonitor *monitor) +{ + create_volume_link (monitor, volume); +} + + +static void +volume_unmounted_callback (NautilusVolumeMonitor *volume_monitor, + NautilusVolume *volume, + NautilusDesktopLinkMonitor *monitor) +{ + GList *l; + NautilusDesktopLink *link; + char *mount_path; + + link = NULL; + for (l = monitor->details->volume_links; l != NULL; l = l->next) { + mount_path = nautilus_desktop_link_get_mount_path (l->data); + + if (strcmp (mount_path, nautilus_volume_get_mount_path (volume)) == 0) { + link = l->data; + g_free (mount_path); + break; + } + g_free (mount_path); + } + + if (link) { + g_object_unref (link); + monitor->details->volume_links = g_list_remove (monitor->details->volume_links, link); + } +} + + +static void +desktop_home_visible_changed (gpointer callback_data) +{ + NautilusDesktopLinkMonitor *monitor; + + monitor = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_MONITOR (callback_data); + + if (eel_preferences_get_boolean (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_HOME_VISIBLE)) { + if (monitor->details->home_link == NULL) { + monitor->details->home_link = nautilus_desktop_link_new (NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_HOME); + } + } else { + if (monitor->details->home_link != NULL) { + g_object_unref (monitor->details->home_link); + monitor->details->home_link = NULL; + } + } +} + +static void +desktop_trash_visible_changed (gpointer callback_data) +{ + NautilusDesktopLinkMonitor *monitor; + + monitor = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_MONITOR (callback_data); + + if (eel_preferences_get_boolean (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_TRASH_VISIBLE)) { + if (monitor->details->trash_link == NULL) { + monitor->details->trash_link = nautilus_desktop_link_new (NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_TRASH); + } + } else { + if (monitor->details->trash_link != NULL) { + g_object_unref (monitor->details->trash_link); + monitor->details->trash_link = NULL; + } + } +} + +static void +nautilus_desktop_link_monitor_init (gpointer object, gpointer klass) +{ + NautilusDesktopLinkMonitor *monitor; + GList *list; + + monitor = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_MONITOR (object); + + monitor->details = g_new0 (NautilusDesktopLinkMonitorDetails, 1); + + /* Set up default mount black list */ + list = g_list_prepend (NULL, g_strdup ("/proc")); + list = g_list_prepend (list, g_strdup ("/boot")); + monitor->details->mount_black_list = list; + + /* We keep around a ref to the desktop dir */ + monitor->details->desktop_dir = nautilus_directory_get (EEL_DESKTOP_URI); + + if (eel_preferences_get_boolean (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_HOME_VISIBLE)) { + monitor->details->home_link = nautilus_desktop_link_new (NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_HOME); + } + + if (eel_preferences_get_boolean (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_TRASH_VISIBLE)) { + monitor->details->trash_link = nautilus_desktop_link_new (NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_TRASH); + } + + nautilus_volume_monitor_each_mounted_volume (nautilus_volume_monitor_get (), + create_one_volume_link, + monitor); + + eel_preferences_add_callback (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_HOME_VISIBLE, + desktop_home_visible_changed, + monitor); + eel_preferences_add_callback (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_TRASH_VISIBLE, + desktop_trash_visible_changed, + monitor); + + + g_signal_connect_object (nautilus_volume_monitor_get (), "volume_mounted", + G_CALLBACK (volume_mounted_callback), monitor, 0); + g_signal_connect_object (nautilus_volume_monitor_get (), "volume_unmounted", + G_CALLBACK (volume_unmounted_callback), monitor, 0); + +} + +static void +desktop_link_monitor_finalize (GObject *object) +{ + NautilusDesktopLinkMonitor *monitor; + + monitor = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_MONITOR (object); + + if (monitor->details->home_link != NULL) { + g_object_unref (monitor->details->home_link); + monitor->details->home_link = NULL; + } + + if (monitor->details->trash_link != NULL) { + g_object_unref (monitor->details->home_link); + monitor->details->trash_link = NULL; + } + + g_list_foreach (monitor->details->volume_links, (GFunc)g_object_unref, NULL); + g_list_free (monitor->details->volume_links); + monitor->details->volume_links = NULL; + + nautilus_directory_unref (monitor->details->desktop_dir); + monitor->details->desktop_dir = NULL; + + eel_g_list_free_deep (monitor->details->mount_black_list); + monitor->details->mount_black_list = NULL; + + eel_preferences_remove_callback (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_HOME_VISIBLE, + desktop_home_visible_changed, + monitor); + eel_preferences_remove_callback (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_TRASH_VISIBLE, + desktop_trash_visible_changed, + monitor); + + g_free (monitor->details); + + EEL_CALL_PARENT (G_OBJECT_CLASS, finalize, (object)); +} + +static void +nautilus_desktop_link_monitor_class_init (gpointer klass) +{ + GObjectClass *object_class; + + object_class = G_OBJECT_CLASS (klass); + + object_class->finalize = desktop_link_monitor_finalize; + +} Index: libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-link-monitor.h =================================================================== RCS file: libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-link-monitor.h diff -N libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-link-monitor.h --- /dev/null 1 Jan 1970 00:00:00 -0000 +++ libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-link-monitor.h 15 May 2003 17:08:04 -0000 @@ -0,0 +1,60 @@ +/* -*- Mode: C; indent-tabs-mode: t; c-basic-offset: 8; tab-width: 8 -*- + + nautilus-desktop-link-monitor.h: singleton thatn manages the links + + Copyright (C) 2003 Red Hat, Inc. + + This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or + modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as + published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the + License, or (at your option) any later version. + + This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, + but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of + MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU + General Public License for more details. + + You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public + License along with this program; if not, write to the + Free Software Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, + Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA. + + Author: Alexander Larsson +*/ + +#ifndef NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_MONITOR_H +#define NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_MONITOR_H + +#include +#include + +#define NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_LINK_MONITOR \ + (nautilus_desktop_link_monitor_get_type ()) +#define NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_MONITOR(obj) \ + (GTK_CHECK_CAST ((obj), NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_LINK_MONITOR, NautilusDesktopLinkMonitor)) +#define NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_MONITOR_CLASS(klass) \ + (GTK_CHECK_CLASS_CAST ((klass), NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_LINK_MONITOR, NautilusDesktopLinkMonitor)) +#define NAUTILUS_IS_DESKTOP_LINK_MONITOR(obj) \ + (GTK_CHECK_TYPE ((obj), NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_LINK_MONITOR)) +#define NAUTILUS_IS_DESKTOP_LINK_MONITOR_CLASS(klass) \ + (GTK_CHECK_CLASS_TYPE ((klass), NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_LINK_MONITOR)) + +typedef struct NautilusDesktopLinkMonitorDetails NautilusDesktopLinkMonitorDetails; + +typedef struct { + GObject parent_slot; + NautilusDesktopLinkMonitorDetails *details; +} NautilusDesktopLinkMonitor; + +typedef struct { + GObjectClass parent_slot; +} NautilusDesktopLinkMonitorClass; + +GType nautilus_desktop_link_monitor_get_type (void); + +NautilusDesktopLinkMonitor * nautilus_desktop_link_monitor_get (void); +void nautilus_desktop_link_monitor_delete_link (NautilusDesktopLinkMonitor *monitor, + NautilusDesktopLink *link, + GtkWidget *parent_view); + +#endif /* NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_MONITOR_H */ Index: libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-link.c =================================================================== RCS file: libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-link.c diff -N libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-link.c --- /dev/null 1 Jan 1970 00:00:00 -0000 +++ libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-link.c 15 May 2003 17:08:04 -0000 @@ -0,0 +1,428 @@ +/* -*- Mode: C; indent-tabs-mode: t; c-basic-offset: 8; tab-width: 8 -*- + + nautilus-desktop-link.c: Class that handles the links on the desktop + + Copyright (C) 2003 Red Hat, Inc. + + This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or + modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as + published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the + License, or (at your option) any later version. + + This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, + but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of + MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU + General Public License for more details. + + You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public + License along with this program; if not, write to the + Free Software Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, + Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA. + + Author: Alexander Larsson +*/ + +#include +#include "nautilus-desktop-link.h" +#include "nautilus-desktop-icon-file.h" +#include "nautilus-directory-private.h" +#include "nautilus-desktop-directory.h" + +#include +#include +#include +#include +#include +#include +#include +#include + +#define TRASH_EMPTY_ICON "gnome-fs-trash-empty" +#define TRASH_FULL_ICON "gnome-fs-trash-full" + +struct NautilusDesktopLinkDetails { + NautilusDesktopLinkType type; + char *filename; + char *display_name; + char *activation_uri; + char *icon; + + NautilusDesktopIconFile *icon_file; + + /* Just for trash icons: */ + gulong trash_state_handler; + + /* Just for volume icons: */ + char *mount_path; +}; + +static void nautilus_desktop_link_init (gpointer object, + gpointer klass); +static void nautilus_desktop_link_class_init (gpointer klass); +static void trash_state_changed_callback (NautilusTrashMonitor *trash_monitor, + gboolean state, + gpointer callback_data); +static void nautilus_desktop_link_changed (NautilusDesktopLink *link); +static void home_uri_changed (gpointer callback_data); + +EEL_CLASS_BOILERPLATE (NautilusDesktopLink, + nautilus_desktop_link, + G_TYPE_OBJECT) + +static void +create_icon_file (NautilusDesktopLink *link) +{ + link->details->icon_file = nautilus_desktop_icon_file_new (link); +} + +static void +home_name_changed (gpointer callback_data) +{ + NautilusDesktopLink *link; + + link = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK (callback_data); + g_assert (link->details->type == NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_HOME); + + g_free (link->details->display_name); + link->details->display_name = eel_preferences_get (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_HOME_NAME); + + nautilus_desktop_link_changed (link); +} + +static void +trash_name_changed (gpointer callback_data) +{ + NautilusDesktopLink *link; + + link = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK (callback_data); + g_assert (link->details->type == NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_TRASH); + + + g_free (link->details->display_name); + link->details->display_name = eel_preferences_get (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_TRASH_NAME); + nautilus_desktop_link_changed (link); +} + + + +NautilusDesktopLink * +nautilus_desktop_link_new (NautilusDesktopLinkType type) +{ + NautilusDesktopLink *link; + + link = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK (g_object_new (NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_LINK, NULL)); + + link->details->type = type; + switch (type) { + case NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_HOME: + link->details->filename = g_strdup ("home"); + + link->details->display_name = eel_preferences_get (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_HOME_NAME); + +#ifdef WEB_NAVIGATION_ENABLED + link->details->activation_uri = eel_preferences_get (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_HOME_URI); +#else + link->details->activation_uri = gnome_vfs_get_uri_from_local_path (g_get_home_dir ()); +#endif + link->details->icon = g_strdup ("gnome-fs-home"); + + eel_preferences_add_callback (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_HOME_URI, + home_uri_changed, + link); + eel_preferences_add_callback (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_HOME_NAME, + home_name_changed, + link); + + break; + case NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_TRASH: + link->details->filename = g_strdup ("trash"); + link->details->display_name = g_strdup (_("Trash")); + link->details->activation_uri = g_strdup (EEL_TRASH_URI); + if (nautilus_trash_monitor_is_empty ()) { + link->details->icon = g_strdup (TRASH_EMPTY_ICON); + } else { + link->details->icon = g_strdup (TRASH_FULL_ICON); + } + + eel_preferences_add_callback (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_TRASH_NAME, + trash_name_changed, + link); + link->details->trash_state_handler = + g_signal_connect_object (nautilus_trash_monitor_get (), "trash_state_changed", + G_CALLBACK (trash_state_changed_callback), link, 0); + break; + default: + case NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_VOLUME: + g_assert_not_reached(); + } + + create_icon_file (link); + + return link; +} + +static char * +get_icon_for_volume (const NautilusVolume *volume) +{ + char *icon_name; + + icon_name = "gnome-dev-harddisk"; + switch (nautilus_volume_get_device_type (volume)) { + case NAUTILUS_DEVICE_AUDIO_CD: + case NAUTILUS_DEVICE_CDROM_DRIVE: + icon_name = "gnome-dev-cdrom"; + break; + + case NAUTILUS_DEVICE_FLOPPY_DRIVE: + icon_name = "gnome-dev-floppy"; + break; + + case NAUTILUS_DEVICE_JAZ_DRIVE: + icon_name = "gnome-dev-jazdisk"; + break; + + case NAUTILUS_DEVICE_MEMORY_STICK: + icon_name = "gnome-dev-memory"; + break; + + case NAUTILUS_DEVICE_NFS: + icon_name = "gnome-fs-nfs"; + break; + + case NAUTILUS_DEVICE_SMB: + icon_name = "gnome-fs-smb"; + break; + + case NAUTILUS_DEVICE_ZIP_DRIVE: + icon_name = "gnome-dev-zipdisk"; + break; + + case NAUTILUS_DEVICE_APPLE: + case NAUTILUS_DEVICE_WINDOWS: + case NAUTILUS_DEVICE_CAMERA: + case NAUTILUS_DEVICE_UNKNOWN: + break; + } + + return g_strdup (icon_name); +} + +NautilusDesktopLink * +nautilus_desktop_link_new_from_volume (const NautilusVolume *volume) +{ + NautilusDesktopLink *link; + const char *mount_path; + char *underscore_mount_path, *p; + + link = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK (g_object_new (NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_LINK, NULL)); + + link->details->type = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_VOLUME; + + mount_path = nautilus_volume_get_mount_path (volume); + link->details->mount_path = g_strdup (mount_path); + + /* Convert slashes in the mount path to underscores and skip + first slash */ + while (*mount_path == '/') { + mount_path ++; + } + underscore_mount_path = g_strdup (mount_path); + for (p = underscore_mount_path; *p != 0; p++) { + if (*p == '/') { + *p = '_'; + } + } + + link->details->filename = g_strconcat ("mount_", underscore_mount_path, NULL); + g_free (underscore_mount_path); + + link->details->display_name = nautilus_volume_get_name (volume); + + link->details->activation_uri = nautilus_volume_get_target_uri (volume); + link->details->icon = get_icon_for_volume (volume); + + create_icon_file (link); + + return link; +} + +char * +nautilus_desktop_link_get_mount_path (NautilusDesktopLink *link) +{ + g_assert (link->details->type == NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_VOLUME); + return g_strdup (link->details->mount_path); +} + + +NautilusDesktopLinkType +nautilus_desktop_link_get_link_type (NautilusDesktopLink *link) +{ + return link->details->type; +} + +char * +nautilus_desktop_link_get_file_name (NautilusDesktopLink *link) +{ + return g_strdup (link->details->filename); +} + +char * +nautilus_desktop_link_get_display_name (NautilusDesktopLink *link) +{ + return g_strdup (link->details->display_name); +} + +char * +nautilus_desktop_link_get_icon (NautilusDesktopLink *link) +{ + return g_strdup (link->details->icon); +} + +char * +nautilus_desktop_link_get_activation_uri (NautilusDesktopLink *link) +{ + return g_strdup (link->details->activation_uri); +} + +gboolean +nautilus_desktop_link_get_date (NautilusDesktopLink *link, + NautilusDateType date_type, + time_t *date) +{ + return FALSE; +} + +static void +nautilus_desktop_link_changed (NautilusDesktopLink *link) +{ + if (link->details->icon_file != NULL) { + nautilus_desktop_icon_file_update (link->details->icon_file); + } +} + +static void +trash_state_changed_callback (NautilusTrashMonitor *trash_monitor, + gboolean state, + gpointer callback_data) +{ + NautilusDesktopLink *link; + + link = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK (callback_data); + g_assert (link->details->type == NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_TRASH); + + g_free (link->details->icon); + + if (state) { + link->details->icon = g_strdup (TRASH_EMPTY_ICON); + } else { + link->details->icon = g_strdup (TRASH_FULL_ICON); + } + + nautilus_desktop_link_changed (link); +} + +static void +home_uri_changed (gpointer callback_data) +{ + NautilusDesktopLink *link; + + link = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK (callback_data); + + g_free (link->details->activation_uri); +#ifdef WEB_NAVIGATION_ENABLED + link->details->activation_uri = eel_preferences_get (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_HOME_URI); +#else + link->details->activation_uri = gnome_vfs_get_uri_from_local_path (g_get_home_dir ()); +#endif + + nautilus_desktop_link_changed (link); +} + + +gboolean +nautilus_desktop_link_can_rename (NautilusDesktopLink *link) +{ + return (link->details->type == NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_HOME || + link->details->type == NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_TRASH); +} + +gboolean +nautilus_desktop_link_rename (NautilusDesktopLink *link, + const char *name) +{ + switch (link->details->type) { + case NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_HOME: + eel_preferences_set (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_HOME_NAME, + name); + break; + case NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_TRASH: + eel_preferences_set (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_HOME_NAME, + name); + break; + default: + g_assert_not_reached (); + /* FIXME: Do we want volume renaming? + * We didn't support that before. */ + break; + } + + return TRUE; +} + + +static void +nautilus_desktop_link_init (gpointer object, gpointer klass) +{ + NautilusDesktopLink *link; + + link = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK (object); + + link->details = g_new0 (NautilusDesktopLinkDetails, 1); +} + +static void +desktop_link_finalize (GObject *object) +{ + NautilusDesktopLink *link; + + link = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK (object); + + if (link->details->trash_state_handler != 0) { + g_signal_handler_disconnect (nautilus_trash_monitor_get (), + link->details->trash_state_handler); + } + + if (link->details->icon_file != NULL) { + nautilus_desktop_icon_file_remove (link->details->icon_file); + } + + if (link->details->type == NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_HOME) { + eel_preferences_remove_callback (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_HOME_URI, + home_uri_changed, + link); + eel_preferences_remove_callback (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_HOME_NAME, + home_name_changed, + link); + } + + if (link->details->type == NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_TRASH) { + eel_preferences_remove_callback (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_TRASH_NAME, + trash_name_changed, + link); + } + + g_free (link->details); + + EEL_CALL_PARENT (G_OBJECT_CLASS, finalize, (object)); +} + +static void +nautilus_desktop_link_class_init (gpointer klass) +{ + GObjectClass *object_class; + + object_class = G_OBJECT_CLASS (klass); + + object_class->finalize = desktop_link_finalize; + +} Index: libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-link.h =================================================================== RCS file: libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-link.h diff -N libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-link.h --- /dev/null 1 Jan 1970 00:00:00 -0000 +++ libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-link.h 15 May 2003 17:08:04 -0000 @@ -0,0 +1,77 @@ +/* -*- Mode: C; indent-tabs-mode: t; c-basic-offset: 8; tab-width: 8 -*- + + nautilus-desktop-link.h: Class that handles the links on the desktop + + Copyright (C) 2003 Red Hat, Inc. + + This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or + modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as + published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the + License, or (at your option) any later version. + + This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, + but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of + MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU + General Public License for more details. + + You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public + License along with this program; if not, write to the + Free Software Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, + Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA. + + Author: Alexander Larsson +*/ + +#ifndef NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_H +#define NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_H + +#include +#include + +#define NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_LINK \ + (nautilus_desktop_link_get_type ()) +#define NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK(obj) \ + (GTK_CHECK_CAST ((obj), NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_LINK, NautilusDesktopLink)) +#define NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_CLASS(klass) \ + (GTK_CHECK_CLASS_CAST ((klass), NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_LINK, NautilusDesktopLink)) +#define NAUTILUS_IS_DESKTOP_LINK(obj) \ + (GTK_CHECK_TYPE ((obj), NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_LINK)) +#define NAUTILUS_IS_DESKTOP_LINK_CLASS(klass) \ + (GTK_CHECK_CLASS_TYPE ((klass), NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_LINK)) + +typedef struct NautilusDesktopLinkDetails NautilusDesktopLinkDetails; + +typedef struct { + GObject parent_slot; + NautilusDesktopLinkDetails *details; +} NautilusDesktopLink; + +typedef struct { + GObjectClass parent_slot; +} NautilusDesktopLinkClass; + +typedef enum { + NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_HOME, + NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_TRASH, + NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_VOLUME +} NautilusDesktopLinkType; + +GType nautilus_desktop_link_get_type (void); + +NautilusDesktopLink * nautilus_desktop_link_new (NautilusDesktopLinkType type); +NautilusDesktopLink * nautilus_desktop_link_new_from_volume (const NautilusVolume *volume); +NautilusDesktopLinkType nautilus_desktop_link_get_link_type (NautilusDesktopLink *link); +char * nautilus_desktop_link_get_file_name (NautilusDesktopLink *link); +char * nautilus_desktop_link_get_display_name (NautilusDesktopLink *link); +char * nautilus_desktop_link_get_icon (NautilusDesktopLink *link); +char * nautilus_desktop_link_get_activation_uri (NautilusDesktopLink *link); +gboolean nautilus_desktop_link_get_date (NautilusDesktopLink *link, + NautilusDateType date_type, + time_t *date); +char * nautilus_desktop_link_get_mount_path (NautilusDesktopLink *link); + +gboolean nautilus_desktop_link_can_rename (NautilusDesktopLink *link); +gboolean nautilus_desktop_link_rename (NautilusDesktopLink *link, + const char *name); + +#endif /* NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_H */ Index: libnautilus-private/nautilus-directory-async.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/libnautilus-private/nautilus-directory-async.c,v retrieving revision 1.198 diff -u -p -r1.198 nautilus-directory-async.c --- libnautilus-private/nautilus-directory-async.c 2 Apr 2003 11:50:52 -0000 1.198 +++ libnautilus-private/nautilus-directory-async.c 15 May 2003 17:08:05 -0000 @@ -3305,7 +3305,7 @@ nautilus_directory_add_file_to_work_queu } nautilus_file_queue_enqueue (directory->details->high_priority_queue, - file); + file); } Index: libnautilus-private/nautilus-directory.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/libnautilus-private/nautilus-directory.c,v retrieving revision 1.246 diff -u -p -r1.246 nautilus-directory.c --- libnautilus-private/nautilus-directory.c 2 Apr 2003 11:50:53 -0000 1.246 +++ libnautilus-private/nautilus-directory.c 15 May 2003 17:08:05 -0000 @@ -34,6 +34,7 @@ #include "nautilus-lib-self-check-functions.h" #include "nautilus-metadata.h" #include "nautilus-metafile.h" +#include "nautilus-desktop-directory.h" #include "nautilus-trash-directory.h" #include "nautilus-vfs-directory.h" #include @@ -501,6 +502,8 @@ nautilus_directory_new (const char *uri) if (eel_uri_is_trash (uri)) { directory = NAUTILUS_DIRECTORY (g_object_new (NAUTILUS_TYPE_TRASH_DIRECTORY, NULL)); + } else if (eel_uri_is_desktop (uri)) { + directory = NAUTILUS_DIRECTORY (g_object_new (NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY, NULL)); } else { directory = NAUTILUS_DIRECTORY (g_object_new (NAUTILUS_TYPE_VFS_DIRECTORY, NULL)); } Index: libnautilus-private/nautilus-dnd.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/libnautilus-private/nautilus-dnd.c,v retrieving revision 1.15 diff -u -p -r1.15 nautilus-dnd.c --- libnautilus-private/nautilus-dnd.c 27 Mar 2003 16:01:19 -0000 1.15 +++ libnautilus-private/nautilus-dnd.c 15 May 2003 17:08:05 -0000 @@ -44,6 +44,7 @@ #include #include #include +#include #include #include @@ -219,12 +220,19 @@ nautilus_drag_items_local (const char *t target_uri = gnome_vfs_uri_new (target_uri_string); - /* get the parent URI of the first item in the selection */ - item_uri = gnome_vfs_uri_new (((NautilusDragSelectionItem *)selection_list->data)->uri); - result = gnome_vfs_uri_is_parent (target_uri, item_uri, FALSE); - - gnome_vfs_uri_unref (item_uri); - gnome_vfs_uri_unref (target_uri); + if (target_uri != NULL) { + /* get the parent URI of the first item in the selection */ + item_uri = gnome_vfs_uri_new (((NautilusDragSelectionItem *)selection_list->data)->uri); + + if (item_uri != NULL) { + result = gnome_vfs_uri_is_parent (target_uri, item_uri, FALSE); + + gnome_vfs_uri_unref (item_uri); + } + + gnome_vfs_uri_unref (target_uri); + } + return result; } @@ -240,6 +248,39 @@ nautilus_drag_items_in_trash (const GLis return eel_uri_is_in_trash (((NautilusDragSelectionItem *)selection_list->data)->uri); } +gboolean +nautilus_drag_items_on_desktop (const GList *selection_list) +{ + char *uri; + GnomeVFSURI *vfs_uri, *desktop_vfs_uri; + char *desktop_uri; + gboolean result; + + /* check if the first item on the list is in trash. + * FIXME: + * we should really test each item but that would be slow for large selections + * and currently dropped items can only be from the same container + */ + uri = ((NautilusDragSelectionItem *)selection_list->data)->uri; + if (eel_uri_is_desktop (uri)) { + return TRUE; + } + + vfs_uri = gnome_vfs_uri_new (uri); + desktop_uri = nautilus_get_desktop_directory_uri (); + desktop_vfs_uri = gnome_vfs_uri_new (desktop_uri); + g_free (desktop_uri); + + result = gnome_vfs_uri_is_parent (desktop_vfs_uri, vfs_uri, FALSE); + + gnome_vfs_uri_unref (desktop_vfs_uri); + gnome_vfs_uri_unref (vfs_uri); + + return result; + +} + + void nautilus_drag_default_drop_action_for_icons (GdkDragContext *context, const char *target_uri_string, const GList *items, @@ -293,10 +334,17 @@ nautilus_drag_default_drop_action_for_ic return; - } else if (eel_str_has_prefix (target_uri_string, NAUTILUS_COMMAND_SPECIFIER) - || eel_str_has_prefix (target_uri_string, NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_COMMAND_SPECIFIER)) { + } else if (g_str_has_prefix (target_uri_string, NAUTILUS_COMMAND_SPECIFIER) + || g_str_has_prefix (target_uri_string, NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_COMMAND_SPECIFIER)) { + if (actions & GDK_ACTION_MOVE) { + *action = GDK_ACTION_MOVE; + } + return; + } else if (eel_uri_is_desktop (target_uri_string)) { if (actions & GDK_ACTION_MOVE) { *action = GDK_ACTION_MOVE; + } else { + *action = context->suggested_action; } return; } else { @@ -312,8 +360,10 @@ nautilus_drag_default_drop_action_for_ic dropped_uri = gnome_vfs_uri_new (((NautilusDragSelectionItem *)items->data)->uri); same_fs = TRUE; - gnome_vfs_check_same_fs_uris (dropped_uri, target_uri, &same_fs); - gnome_vfs_uri_unref (dropped_uri); + if (dropped_uri != NULL) { + gnome_vfs_check_same_fs_uris (dropped_uri, target_uri, &same_fs); + gnome_vfs_uri_unref (dropped_uri); + } gnome_vfs_uri_unref (target_uri); if (same_fs) { @@ -790,36 +840,15 @@ gboolean nautilus_drag_selection_includes_special_link (GList *selection_list) { GList *node; - char *uri, *local_path; - gboolean link_in_selection; - GnomeVFSFileInfo *info; - - link_in_selection = FALSE; + char *uri; for (node = selection_list; node != NULL; node = node->next) { uri = ((NautilusDragSelectionItem *) node->data)->uri; - /* FIXME bugzilla.gnome.org 43020: This does sync. I/O and works only locally. */ - local_path = gnome_vfs_get_local_path_from_uri (uri); - - if (local_path) { - info = gnome_vfs_file_info_new (); - gnome_vfs_get_file_info - (local_path, info, - GNOME_VFS_FILE_INFO_GET_MIME_TYPE | - GNOME_VFS_FILE_INFO_FOLLOW_LINKS); - /* assume info is blank on failure */ - link_in_selection = (nautilus_link_local_is_trash_link (local_path, info) || - nautilus_link_local_is_home_link (local_path, info) || - nautilus_link_local_is_volume_link (local_path, info)); - gnome_vfs_file_info_unref (info); - g_free (local_path); - } - - if (link_in_selection) { - break; + if (eel_uri_is_desktop (uri)) { + return TRUE; } } - return link_in_selection; + return FALSE; } Index: libnautilus-private/nautilus-dnd.h =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/libnautilus-private/nautilus-dnd.h,v retrieving revision 1.8 diff -u -p -r1.8 nautilus-dnd.h --- libnautilus-private/nautilus-dnd.h 8 Feb 2003 22:19:24 -0000 1.8 +++ libnautilus-private/nautilus-dnd.h 15 May 2003 17:08:05 -0000 @@ -114,6 +114,7 @@ GList *nautilus_drag_build_ gboolean nautilus_drag_items_local (const char *target_uri, const GList *selection_list); gboolean nautilus_drag_items_in_trash (const GList *selection_list); +gboolean nautilus_drag_items_on_desktop (const GList *selection_list); void nautilus_drag_default_drop_action_for_icons (GdkDragContext *context, const char *target_uri, const GList *items, Index: libnautilus-private/nautilus-file-operations.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/libnautilus-private/nautilus-file-operations.c,v retrieving revision 1.163 diff -u -p -r1.163 nautilus-file-operations.c --- libnautilus-private/nautilus-file-operations.c 3 Feb 2003 16:16:52 -0000 1.163 +++ libnautilus-private/nautilus-file-operations.c 15 May 2003 17:08:05 -0000 @@ -46,6 +46,9 @@ #include #include #include "nautilus-file-changes-queue.h" +#include "nautilus-file-private.h" +#include "nautilus-desktop-icon-file.h" +#include "nautilus-desktop-link-monitor.h" #include "nautilus-global-preferences.h" #include "nautilus-link.h" #include "nautilus-trash-monitor.h" @@ -991,17 +994,8 @@ handle_transfer_vfs_error (const GnomeVF static gboolean is_special_link (const char *uri) { - char *local_path; - gboolean is_special; - local_path = gnome_vfs_get_local_path_from_uri (uri); - if (local_path == NULL) { - return FALSE; - } - is_special = nautilus_link_local_is_special_link (local_path); - g_free (local_path); - - return is_special; + return eel_uri_is_desktop (uri); } static int @@ -1691,19 +1685,6 @@ append_basename (const GnomeVFSURI *targ return gnome_vfs_uri_dup (target_directory); } -static gboolean -vfs_uri_is_special_link (GnomeVFSURI *vfs_uri) -{ - char *uri; - gboolean is_special; - - uri = gnome_vfs_uri_to_string (vfs_uri, GNOME_VFS_URI_HIDE_NONE); - is_special = is_special_link (uri); - g_free (uri); - - return is_special; -} - void nautilus_file_operations_copy_move (const GList *item_uris, GArray *relative_item_points, @@ -1725,7 +1706,6 @@ nautilus_file_operations_copy_move (cons SyncTransferInfo *sync_transfer_info; GnomeVFSResult result; gboolean target_is_trash; - gboolean is_desktop_trash_link; gboolean duplicate; gboolean target_is_mapping; gboolean have_nonlocal_source; @@ -1945,21 +1925,13 @@ nautilus_file_operations_copy_move (cons /* Distinguish Trash file on desktop from other trash folders for * message purposes. */ - /* FIXME: is_special_link finds more than just trash links, - * so these messages are wrong. - */ - is_desktop_trash_link = vfs_uri_is_special_link (uri); eel_run_simple_dialog (parent_view, FALSE, ((move_options & GNOME_VFS_XFER_REMOVESOURCE) != 0) - ? (is_desktop_trash_link - ? _("The Trash must remain on the desktop.") - : _("You cannot move this trash folder.")) - : (is_desktop_trash_link - ? _("You cannot copy the Trash.") - : _("You cannot copy this trash folder.")), + ? _("You cannot move this trash folder.") + : _("You cannot copy this trash folder."), ((move_options & GNOME_VFS_XFER_REMOVESOURCE) != 0) ? _("Can't Change Trash Location") : _("Can't Copy Trash"), @@ -2176,14 +2148,40 @@ nautilus_file_operations_delete (const G { GList *uri_list; const GList *p; + const char *item_uri; + NautilusFile *file; TransferInfo *transfer_info; uri_list = NULL; for (p = item_uris; p != NULL; p = p->next) { - uri_list = g_list_prepend (uri_list, - gnome_vfs_uri_new ((const char *) p->data)); + item_uri = (const char *) p->data; + + if (eel_uri_is_desktop (item_uri)) { + file = nautilus_file_get_existing (item_uri); + if (file != NULL) { + if (NAUTILUS_IS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE (file)) { + NautilusDesktopLink *link; + + link = nautilus_desktop_icon_file_get_link (NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE (file)); + + nautilus_desktop_link_monitor_delete_link (nautilus_desktop_link_monitor_get (), + link, + parent_view); + + g_object_unref (link); + } + nautilus_file_unref (file); + } + } else { + uri_list = g_list_prepend (uri_list, + gnome_vfs_uri_new (item_uri)); + } } uri_list = g_list_reverse (uri_list); + + if (uri_list == NULL) { + return; + } transfer_info = transfer_info_new (parent_view); Index: libnautilus-private/nautilus-file-utilities.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/libnautilus-private/nautilus-file-utilities.c,v retrieving revision 1.109 diff -u -p -r1.109 nautilus-file-utilities.c --- libnautilus-private/nautilus-file-utilities.c 8 Jul 2002 15:32:06 -0000 1.109 +++ libnautilus-private/nautilus-file-utilities.c 15 May 2003 17:08:05 -0000 @@ -40,7 +40,8 @@ #define NAUTILUS_USER_DIRECTORY_NAME ".nautilus" #define DEFAULT_NAUTILUS_DIRECTORY_MODE (0755) -#define DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_NAME ".gnome-desktop" +#define DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_NAME "Desktop" +#define LEGACY_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_NAME ".gnome-desktop" #define DEFAULT_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_MODE (0755) gboolean @@ -74,7 +75,7 @@ nautilus_get_user_directory (void) user_directory = g_build_filename (g_get_home_dir (), NAUTILUS_USER_DIRECTORY_NAME, NULL); - + if (!g_file_test (user_directory, G_FILE_TEST_EXISTS)) { mkdir (user_directory, DEFAULT_NAUTILUS_DIRECTORY_MODE); /* FIXME bugzilla.gnome.org 41286: @@ -104,7 +105,7 @@ nautilus_get_desktop_directory (void) if (eel_preferences_get_boolean (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_IS_HOME_DIR)) { desktop_directory = g_strdup (g_get_home_dir()); } else { - desktop_directory = nautilus_get_gmc_desktop_directory (); + desktop_directory = g_build_filename (g_get_home_dir (), DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_NAME, NULL); if (!g_file_test (desktop_directory, G_FILE_TEST_EXISTS)) { mkdir (desktop_directory, DEFAULT_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_MODE); /* FIXME bugzilla.gnome.org 41286: @@ -120,6 +121,28 @@ nautilus_get_desktop_directory (void) return desktop_directory; } + +/** + * nautilus_get_desktop_directory_uri: + * + * Get the uri for the directory containing files on the desktop. + * + * Return value: the directory path. + **/ +char * +nautilus_get_desktop_directory_uri (void) +{ + char *desktop_path; + char *desktop_uri; + + desktop_path = nautilus_get_desktop_directory (); + desktop_uri = gnome_vfs_get_uri_from_local_path (desktop_path); + g_free (desktop_path); + + return desktop_uri; +} + + /** * nautilus_get_gmc_desktop_directory: * @@ -130,7 +153,7 @@ nautilus_get_desktop_directory (void) char * nautilus_get_gmc_desktop_directory (void) { - return g_build_filename (g_get_home_dir (), DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_NAME, NULL); + return g_build_filename (g_get_home_dir (), LEGACY_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_NAME, NULL); } /** Index: libnautilus-private/nautilus-file-utilities.h =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/libnautilus-private/nautilus-file-utilities.h,v retrieving revision 1.46 diff -u -p -r1.46 nautilus-file-utilities.h --- libnautilus-private/nautilus-file-utilities.h 8 Jul 2002 15:32:06 -0000 1.46 +++ libnautilus-private/nautilus-file-utilities.h 15 May 2003 17:08:05 -0000 @@ -36,6 +36,7 @@ gboolean nautilus_file_name_matches_back */ char * nautilus_get_user_directory (void); char * nautilus_get_desktop_directory (void); +char * nautilus_get_desktop_directory_uri (void); char * nautilus_get_gmc_desktop_directory (void); char * nautilus_get_pixmap_directory (void); Index: libnautilus-private/nautilus-file.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/libnautilus-private/nautilus-file.c,v retrieving revision 1.316 diff -u -p -r1.316 nautilus-file.c --- libnautilus-private/nautilus-file.c 2 Apr 2003 11:50:54 -0000 1.316 +++ libnautilus-private/nautilus-file.c 15 May 2003 17:08:06 -0000 @@ -28,6 +28,9 @@ #include "nautilus-directory-metafile.h" #include "nautilus-directory-notify.h" #include "nautilus-directory-private.h" +#include "nautilus-desktop-directory.h" +#include "nautilus-desktop-directory-file.h" +#include "nautilus-desktop-icon-file.h" #include "nautilus-file-attributes.h" #include "nautilus-file-private.h" #include "nautilus-file-utilities.h" @@ -136,6 +139,13 @@ nautilus_file_new_from_relative_uri (Nau if (self_owned && NAUTILUS_IS_TRASH_DIRECTORY (directory)) { file = NAUTILUS_FILE (g_object_new (NAUTILUS_TYPE_TRASH_FILE, NULL)); + } else if (NAUTILUS_IS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY (directory)) { + if (self_owned) { + file = NAUTILUS_FILE (g_object_new (NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_FILE, NULL)); + } else { + file = NULL; + g_assert_not_reached (); + } } else { file = NAUTILUS_FILE (g_object_new (NAUTILUS_TYPE_VFS_FILE, NULL)); } @@ -272,6 +282,7 @@ static NautilusFile * nautilus_file_get_internal (const char *uri, gboolean create) { char *canonical_uri, *directory_uri, *relative_uri, *file_name; + const char *relative_uri_tmp; gboolean self_owned; GnomeVFSURI *vfs_uri, *directory_vfs_uri; NautilusDirectory *directory; @@ -302,24 +313,29 @@ nautilus_file_get_internal (const char * } } + self_owned = FALSE; + directory_uri = NULL; + /* Make VFS version of directory URI. */ if (vfs_uri == NULL) { - directory_vfs_uri = NULL; + if (eel_uri_is_desktop (uri) && + strcmp (uri, EEL_DESKTOP_URI) != 0) { + directory_uri = g_strdup (EEL_DESKTOP_URI); + } } else { directory_vfs_uri = gnome_vfs_uri_get_parent (vfs_uri); + if (directory_vfs_uri != NULL) { + directory_uri = gnome_vfs_uri_to_string + (directory_vfs_uri, + GNOME_VFS_URI_HIDE_NONE); + gnome_vfs_uri_unref (directory_vfs_uri); + } gnome_vfs_uri_unref (vfs_uri); } - - self_owned = directory_vfs_uri == NULL; - if (self_owned) { - /* Use the item itself if we have no parent. */ + + if (directory_uri == NULL) { + self_owned = TRUE; directory_uri = g_strdup (canonical_uri); - } else { - /* Make text version of directory URI. */ - directory_uri = gnome_vfs_uri_to_string - (directory_vfs_uri, - GNOME_VFS_URI_HIDE_NONE); - gnome_vfs_uri_unref (directory_vfs_uri); } /* Get object that represents the directory. */ @@ -328,11 +344,19 @@ nautilus_file_get_internal (const char * /* Get the name for the file. */ if (vfs_uri == NULL) { - g_assert (self_owned); - if (directory != NULL) { + if (self_owned && directory != NULL) { file_name = nautilus_directory_get_name_for_self_as_new_file (directory); relative_uri = gnome_vfs_escape_string (file_name); g_free (file_name); + } else if (eel_uri_is_desktop (uri)) { + /* Special case desktop files here. They have no vfs_uri */ + relative_uri_tmp = uri + strlen (EEL_DESKTOP_URI); + while (*relative_uri_tmp == '/') { + relative_uri_tmp++; + } + relative_uri = strdup (relative_uri_tmp); + } else { + g_assert_not_reached (); } } @@ -746,7 +770,7 @@ nautilus_file_can_rename (NautilusFile * { NautilusFile *parent; gboolean can_rename; - char *uri, *path; + char *uri; g_return_val_if_fail (NAUTILUS_IS_FILE (file), FALSE); @@ -767,23 +791,15 @@ nautilus_file_can_rename (NautilusFile * can_rename = TRUE; uri = nautilus_file_get_uri (file); - path = gnome_vfs_get_local_path_from_uri (uri); /* Certain types of links can't be renamed */ - if (path != NULL && nautilus_file_is_nautilus_link (file)) { - /* FIXME: This reads the link file every time -- seems - * bad to do that even though it's known to be local. - */ - switch (nautilus_link_local_get_link_type (path, file->details->info)) { - case NAUTILUS_LINK_TRASH: - case NAUTILUS_LINK_MOUNT: - can_rename = FALSE; - break; - - case NAUTILUS_LINK_HOME: - case NAUTILUS_LINK_GENERIC: - break; - } + if (NAUTILUS_IS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE (file)) { + NautilusDesktopLink *link; + + link = nautilus_desktop_icon_file_get_link (NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE (file)); + + can_rename = nautilus_desktop_link_can_rename (link); + g_object_unref (link); } /* Nautilus trash directories cannot be renamed */ @@ -792,7 +808,6 @@ nautilus_file_can_rename (NautilusFile * } g_free (uri); - g_free (path); if (!can_rename) { return FALSE; @@ -1047,6 +1062,22 @@ rename_guts (NautilusFile *file, (* callback) (file, GNOME_VFS_ERROR_NOT_SUPPORTED, callback_data); return; } + + + if (NAUTILUS_IS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE (file)) { + NautilusDesktopLink *link; + + link = nautilus_desktop_icon_file_get_link (NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE (file)); + + if (nautilus_desktop_link_rename (link, new_name)) { + (* callback) (file, GNOME_VFS_OK, callback_data); + } else { + (* callback) (file, GNOME_VFS_ERROR_GENERIC, callback_data); + } + + g_object_unref (link); + return; + } if (is_local_desktop_file) { /* Don't actually change the name if the new name is the same. @@ -2069,7 +2100,7 @@ nautilus_file_is_in_desktop (NautilusFil /* This handles visiting other people's desktops, but it can arguably * be said that this might break and that we should lookup the passwd table. */ - return strstr (file->details->directory->details->uri, "/.gnome-desktop") != NULL; + return strstr (file->details->directory->details->uri, "/Desktop") != NULL; } static gboolean @@ -2451,11 +2482,22 @@ char * nautilus_file_get_drop_target_uri (NautilusFile *file) { char *uri, *target_uri; + NautilusDesktopLink *link; g_return_val_if_fail (NAUTILUS_IS_FILE (file), NULL); + if (NAUTILUS_IS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE (file)) { + link = nautilus_desktop_icon_file_get_link (NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE (file)); + + uri = nautilus_desktop_link_get_activation_uri (link); + g_object_unref (link); + if (uri != NULL) { + return uri; + } + } + uri = nautilus_file_get_uri (file); - + /* Check for Nautilus link */ if (nautilus_file_is_nautilus_link (file)) { /* FIXME bugzilla.gnome.org 43020: This does sync. I/O and works only locally. */ @@ -2512,7 +2554,6 @@ nautilus_file_get_uri (NautilusFile *fil } return g_strconcat (file->details->directory->details->uri, - "/", file->details->relative_uri, NULL); } Index: libnautilus-private/nautilus-global-preferences.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/libnautilus-private/nautilus-global-preferences.c,v retrieving revision 1.208 diff -u -p -r1.208 nautilus-global-preferences.c --- libnautilus-private/nautilus-global-preferences.c 14 Mar 2003 17:48:44 -0000 1.208 +++ libnautilus-private/nautilus-global-preferences.c 15 May 2003 17:08:06 -0000 @@ -55,6 +55,8 @@ static gpointer default_font_callback static gpointer default_home_location_callback (void); static gpointer default_default_folder_viewer_callback (void); static void import_old_preferences_if_needed (void); +static gpointer default_home_link_name (void); +static gpointer default_trash_link_name (void); /* An enumeration used for installing type specific preferences defaults. */ typedef enum @@ -491,6 +493,29 @@ static const PreferenceDefault preferenc "default_zoom_level" }, + /* Desktop Preferences */ + { NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_HOME_VISIBLE, + PREFERENCE_BOOLEAN, + GINT_TO_POINTER (TRUE) + }, + + { NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_HOME_NAME, + PREFERENCE_STRING, + NULL, + default_home_link_name, g_free, + }, + + { NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_TRASH_VISIBLE, + PREFERENCE_BOOLEAN, + GINT_TO_POINTER (TRUE) + }, + + { NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_TRASH_NAME, + PREFERENCE_STRING, + NULL, + default_trash_link_name, g_free, + }, + /* non-visible preferences */ { NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_ADD_TO_SESSION, PREFERENCE_BOOLEAN, @@ -499,6 +524,28 @@ static const PreferenceDefault preferenc { NULL } }; + +static gpointer +default_home_link_name (void) +{ + /* Note to translators: If it's hard to compose a good home + * icon name from the user name, you can use a string without + * an "%s" here, in which case the home icon name will not + * include the user's name, which should be fine. To avoid a + * warning, put "%.0s" somewhere in the string, which will + * match the user name string passed by the C code, but not + * put the user name in the final string. + */ + return g_strdup_printf (_("%s's Home"), g_get_user_name ()); +} + +static gpointer +default_trash_link_name (void) +{ + return g_strdup (_("Trash")); +} + + /** * global_preferences_register_enumerations Index: libnautilus-private/nautilus-global-preferences.h =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/libnautilus-private/nautilus-global-preferences.h,v retrieving revision 1.116 diff -u -p -r1.116 nautilus-global-preferences.h --- libnautilus-private/nautilus-global-preferences.h 2 Mar 2003 02:34:52 -0000 1.116 +++ libnautilus-private/nautilus-global-preferences.h 15 May 2003 17:08:06 -0000 @@ -167,6 +167,11 @@ typedef enum /* Gnome session management */ #define NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_ADD_TO_SESSION "preferences/add_to_session" +#define NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_HOME_VISIBLE "desktop/home_icon_visible" +#define NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_HOME_NAME "desktop/home_icon_name" +#define NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_TRASH_VISIBLE "desktop/trash_icon_visible" +#define NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_TRASH_NAME "desktop/trash_icon_name" + void nautilus_global_preferences_init (void); void nautilus_global_preferences_init_with_folder_browsing (void); void nautilus_global_preferences_set_default_folder_viewer (const char *iid); Index: libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-container.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-container.c,v retrieving revision 1.340 diff -u -p -r1.340 nautilus-icon-container.c --- libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-container.c 3 May 2003 23:23:30 -0000 1.340 +++ libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-container.c 15 May 2003 17:08:07 -0000 @@ -1477,7 +1477,9 @@ lay_down_icons_tblr (NautilusIconContain } /* Check and see if we need to move to a new column */ - if (y != DESKTOP_PAD_VERTICAL && y > height - icon_height) { + if (y != DESKTOP_PAD_VERTICAL && y > height - icon_height && + /* Make sure we lay out at least one icon per column, to make progress */ + p != icons) { x += column_width + DESKTOP_PAD_HORIZONTAL; break; } Index: libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-dnd.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-dnd.c,v retrieving revision 1.131 diff -u -p -r1.131 nautilus-icon-dnd.c --- libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-dnd.c 3 May 2003 23:23:30 -0000 1.131 +++ libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-dnd.c 15 May 2003 17:08:07 -0000 @@ -57,6 +57,7 @@ #include #include #include +#include #include #include @@ -513,6 +514,8 @@ nautilus_icon_container_selection_items_ * would not work for it. */ result = nautilus_drag_items_in_trash (items); + } else if (eel_uri_is_desktop (container_uri_string)) { + result = nautilus_drag_items_on_desktop (items); } else { result = nautilus_drag_items_local (container_uri_string, items); } @@ -831,6 +834,7 @@ handle_nonlocal_move (NautilusIconContai { GList *source_uris, *p; GArray *source_item_locations; + gboolean free_target_uri; int index; if (container->details->dnd_info->drag_info.selection_list == NULL) { @@ -860,7 +864,14 @@ handle_nonlocal_move (NautilusIconContai ((NautilusDragSelectionItem *)p->data)->icon_y; } } - + + free_target_uri = FALSE; + /* Rewrite internal desktop URIs to the normal target uri */ + if (eel_uri_is_desktop (target_uri)) { + target_uri = nautilus_get_desktop_directory_uri (); + free_target_uri = TRUE; + } + /* start the copy */ g_signal_emit_by_name (container, "move_copy_items", source_uris, @@ -868,6 +879,10 @@ handle_nonlocal_move (NautilusIconContai target_uri, context->action, x, y); + + if (free_target_uri) { + g_free ((char *)target_uri); + } g_list_free (source_uris); g_array_free (source_item_locations, TRUE); Index: src/Nautilus_shell.server.in =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/Nautilus_shell.server.in,v retrieving revision 1.22 diff -u -p -r1.22 Nautilus_shell.server.in --- src/Nautilus_shell.server.in 14 Jan 2003 18:29:45 -0000 1.22 +++ src/Nautilus_shell.server.in 15 May 2003 17:08:07 -0000 @@ -25,6 +25,7 @@ + @@ -41,6 +42,9 @@ + + + Index: src/nautilus-application.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/nautilus-application.c,v retrieving revision 1.197 diff -u -p -r1.197 nautilus-application.c --- src/nautilus-application.c 2 Oct 2002 05:36:51 -0000 1.197 +++ src/nautilus-application.c 15 May 2003 17:08:07 -0000 @@ -66,6 +66,7 @@ #include #include #include +#include #include /* Needed for the is_kdesktop_present check */ @@ -372,6 +373,9 @@ finish_startup (NautilusApplication *app /* Make the desktop work with old Nautilus. */ migrate_old_nautilus_files (); + + /* Initialize the desktop link monitor singleton */ + nautilus_desktop_link_monitor_get (); } void Index: src/nautilus-desktop-window.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/nautilus-desktop-window.c,v retrieving revision 1.55 diff -u -p -r1.55 nautilus-desktop-window.c --- src/nautilus-desktop-window.c 31 Oct 2002 08:37:30 -0000 1.55 +++ src/nautilus-desktop-window.c 15 May 2003 17:08:07 -0000 @@ -28,6 +28,7 @@ #include #include #include +#include #include #include #include @@ -65,18 +66,10 @@ nautilus_desktop_window_delete_event (Na void nautilus_desktop_window_update_directory (NautilusDesktopWindow *window) { - char *desktop_directory_path; - char *desktop_directory_uri; - g_assert (NAUTILUS_IS_DESKTOP_WINDOW (window)); - - desktop_directory_path = nautilus_get_desktop_directory (); - desktop_directory_uri = gnome_vfs_get_uri_from_local_path (desktop_directory_path); - g_free (desktop_directory_path); window->affect_desktop_on_next_location_change = TRUE; - nautilus_window_go_to (NAUTILUS_WINDOW (window), desktop_directory_uri); - g_free (desktop_directory_uri); + nautilus_window_go_to (NAUTILUS_WINDOW (window), EEL_DESKTOP_URI); } static void Index: src/file-manager/fm-desktop-icon-view.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/file-manager/fm-desktop-icon-view.c,v retrieving revision 1.203 diff -u -p -r1.203 fm-desktop-icon-view.c --- src/file-manager/fm-desktop-icon-view.c 3 May 2003 23:23:31 -0000 1.203 +++ src/file-manager/fm-desktop-icon-view.c 15 May 2003 17:08:08 -0000 @@ -47,6 +47,7 @@ #include #include #include +#include #include #include #include @@ -68,9 +69,6 @@ #include #include -static const char untranslated_trash_link_name[] = N_("Trash"); -#define TRASH_LINK_NAME _(untranslated_trash_link_name) - #define DESKTOP_COMMAND_EMPTY_TRASH_CONDITIONAL "/commands/Empty Trash Conditional" #define DESKTOP_COMMAND_UNMOUNT_VOLUME_CONDITIONAL "/commands/Unmount Volume Conditional" #define DESKTOP_COMMAND_PROTECT_VOLUME_CONDITIONAL "/commands/Protect Conditional" @@ -85,7 +83,6 @@ static const char untranslated_trash_lin struct FMDesktopIconViewDetails { BonoboUIComponent *ui; - GList *mount_black_list; GdkWindow *root_window; /* For the desktop rescanning @@ -100,40 +97,22 @@ typedef struct { char *mount_path; } MountParameters; -typedef enum { - DELETE_MOUNT_LINKS = 1<<0, - UPDATE_HOME_LINK = 1<<1, - UPDATE_TRASH_LINK = 1<<2 -} UpdateType; - static void fm_desktop_icon_view_init (FMDesktopIconView *desktop_icon_view); static void fm_desktop_icon_view_class_init (FMDesktopIconViewClass *klass); -static void fm_desktop_icon_view_trash_state_changed_callback (NautilusTrashMonitor *trash, - gboolean state, - gpointer callback_data); -static void home_uri_changed (gpointer user_data); static void default_zoom_level_changed (gpointer user_data); -static void volume_mounted_callback (NautilusVolumeMonitor *monitor, - NautilusVolume *volume, - FMDesktopIconView *icon_view); -static void volume_unmounted_callback (NautilusVolumeMonitor *monitor, - NautilusVolume *volume, - FMDesktopIconView *icon_view); -static void update_desktop_directory (UpdateType type); static gboolean real_supports_auto_layout (FMIconView *view); static gboolean real_supports_keep_aligned (FMIconView *view); static void real_merge_menus (FMDirectoryView *view); static void real_update_menus (FMDirectoryView *view); static gboolean real_supports_zooming (FMDirectoryView *view); static void update_disks_menu (FMDesktopIconView *view); -static void free_volume_black_list (FMDesktopIconView *view); static gboolean volume_link_is_selection (FMDirectoryView *view); static NautilusDeviceType volume_link_device_type (FMDirectoryView *view); static void fm_desktop_icon_view_update_icon_container_fonts (FMDesktopIconView *view); EEL_CLASS_BOILERPLATE (FMDesktopIconView, - fm_desktop_icon_view, - FM_TYPE_ICON_VIEW) + fm_desktop_icon_view, + FM_TYPE_ICON_VIEW) static char *desktop_directory; static time_t desktop_dir_modify_time; @@ -267,12 +246,6 @@ fm_desktop_icon_view_finalize (GObject * g_source_remove (icon_view->details->reload_desktop_timeout); } - /* Delete all of the link files. */ - update_desktop_directory (DELETE_MOUNT_LINKS); - - eel_preferences_remove_callback (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_HOME_URI, - home_uri_changed, - icon_view); eel_preferences_remove_callback (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_ICON_VIEW_DEFAULT_ZOOM_LEVEL, default_zoom_level_changed, icon_view); @@ -284,8 +257,6 @@ fm_desktop_icon_view_finalize (GObject * icon_view->details->ui = NULL; } - free_volume_black_list (icon_view); - g_free (icon_view->details); G_OBJECT_CLASS (parent_class)->finalize (object); @@ -344,156 +315,6 @@ fm_desktop_icon_view_handle_middle_click } static void -free_volume_black_list (FMDesktopIconView *icon_view) -{ - eel_g_list_free_deep (icon_view->details->mount_black_list); - icon_view->details->mount_black_list = NULL; -} - -static gboolean -volume_in_black_list (FMDesktopIconView *icon_view, - const NautilusVolume *volume) -{ - GList *p; - - g_return_val_if_fail (FM_IS_DESKTOP_ICON_VIEW (icon_view), TRUE); - - for (p = icon_view->details->mount_black_list; p != NULL; p = p->next) { - if (strcmp ((char *) p->data, nautilus_volume_get_mount_path (volume)) == 0) { - return TRUE; - } - } - - return FALSE; -} - - -static char * -create_unique_volume_name (const NautilusVolume *volume) -{ - GnomeVFSURI *uri; - char *uri_path, *new_name; - int index; - char *volume_name, *original_volume_name; - - new_name = NULL; - - /* Start with an index of one. If we collide, the file collided with will be the actual - * number one. We will rename with the next available number. - */ - index = 1; - - volume_name = nautilus_volume_get_name (volume); - - uri_path = g_strdup_printf ("%s/%s", desktop_directory, volume_name); - uri = gnome_vfs_uri_new (uri_path); - - /* Check for existing filename and create a unique name. */ - while (gnome_vfs_uri_exists (uri)) { - gnome_vfs_uri_unref (uri); - g_free (uri_path); - - index++; - - g_free (new_name); - new_name = g_strdup_printf ("%s (%d)", volume_name, index); - - uri_path = g_strdup_printf ("%s/%s", desktop_directory, new_name); - uri = gnome_vfs_uri_new (uri_path); - } - - if (new_name != NULL) { - g_free (volume_name); - volume_name = new_name; - } - - original_volume_name = nautilus_volume_get_name (volume); - if (strcmp (volume_name, original_volume_name) != 0) { - nautilus_volume_monitor_set_volume_name (nautilus_volume_monitor_get (), - volume, volume_name); - } - g_free (original_volume_name); - - gnome_vfs_uri_unref (uri); - g_free (uri_path); - - return volume_name; -} - -static void -create_mount_link (FMDesktopIconView *icon_view, - const NautilusVolume *volume) -{ - char *target_uri, *volume_name; - const char *icon_name; - - if (volume_in_black_list (icon_view, volume)) { - return; - } - - /* FIXME bugzilla.gnome.org 45412: Design a comprehensive desktop mounting strategy */ - if (!nautilus_volume_is_removable (volume)) { - return; - } - - /* Get icon type */ - icon_name = "gnome-dev-harddisk"; - switch (nautilus_volume_get_device_type (volume)) { - case NAUTILUS_DEVICE_AUDIO_CD: - case NAUTILUS_DEVICE_CDROM_DRIVE: - icon_name = "gnome-dev-cdrom"; - break; - - case NAUTILUS_DEVICE_FLOPPY_DRIVE: - icon_name = "gnome-dev-floppy"; - break; - - case NAUTILUS_DEVICE_JAZ_DRIVE: - icon_name = "gnome-dev-jazdisk"; - break; - - case NAUTILUS_DEVICE_MEMORY_STICK: - icon_name = "gnome-dev-memory"; - break; - - case NAUTILUS_DEVICE_NFS: - icon_name = "gnome-fs-nfs"; - break; - - case NAUTILUS_DEVICE_SMB: - icon_name = "gnome-fs-smb"; - break; - - case NAUTILUS_DEVICE_ZIP_DRIVE: - icon_name = "gnome-dev-zipdisk"; - break; - - case NAUTILUS_DEVICE_APPLE: - case NAUTILUS_DEVICE_WINDOWS: - case NAUTILUS_DEVICE_CAMERA: - case NAUTILUS_DEVICE_UNKNOWN: - break; - } - - target_uri = nautilus_volume_get_target_uri (volume); - - volume_name = create_unique_volume_name (volume); - - /* Create link */ - nautilus_link_local_create (desktop_directory, volume_name, icon_name, target_uri, NULL, NAUTILUS_LINK_MOUNT); - - g_free (target_uri); - g_free (volume_name); -} - -static gboolean -create_one_mount_link (const NautilusVolume *volume, gpointer callback_data) -{ - create_mount_link (FM_DESKTOP_ICON_VIEW (callback_data), volume); - return TRUE; -} - -static void unrealized_callback (GtkWidget *widget, FMDesktopIconView *desktop_icon_view) { g_return_if_fail (desktop_icon_view->details->root_window != NULL); @@ -554,13 +375,6 @@ default_zoom_level_changed (gpointer use new_level); } -/* Update home link to point to new home uri */ -static void -home_uri_changed (gpointer callback_data) -{ - update_desktop_directory (UPDATE_HOME_LINK); -} - static gboolean do_desktop_rescan (gpointer data) { @@ -650,7 +464,6 @@ fm_desktop_icon_view_update_icon_contain static void fm_desktop_icon_view_init (FMDesktopIconView *desktop_icon_view) { - GList *list; NautilusIconContainer *icon_container; GtkAllocation *allocation; GtkAdjustment *hadj, *vadj; @@ -682,11 +495,6 @@ fm_desktop_icon_view_init (FMDesktopIcon nautilus_icon_container_set_is_fixed_size (icon_container, TRUE); nautilus_icon_container_set_is_desktop (icon_container, TRUE); - /* Set up default mount black list */ - list = g_list_prepend (NULL, g_strdup ("/proc")); - list = g_list_prepend (list, g_strdup ("/boot")); - desktop_icon_view->details->mount_black_list = list; - /* Set allocation to be at 0, 0 */ allocation = >K_WIDGET (icon_container)->allocation; allocation->x = 0; @@ -707,30 +515,13 @@ fm_desktop_icon_view_init (FMDesktopIcon nautilus_icon_container_set_layout_mode (icon_container, NAUTILUS_ICON_LAYOUT_T_B_L_R); - update_desktop_directory (DELETE_MOUNT_LINKS | UPDATE_HOME_LINK | UPDATE_TRASH_LINK); - - /* Create initial mount links */ - nautilus_volume_monitor_each_mounted_volume (nautilus_volume_monitor_get (), - create_one_mount_link, - desktop_icon_view); - g_signal_connect_object (icon_container, "middle_click", G_CALLBACK (fm_desktop_icon_view_handle_middle_click), desktop_icon_view, 0); - g_signal_connect_object (nautilus_trash_monitor_get (), "trash_state_changed", - G_CALLBACK (fm_desktop_icon_view_trash_state_changed_callback), desktop_icon_view, 0); - g_signal_connect_object (nautilus_volume_monitor_get (), "volume_mounted", - G_CALLBACK (volume_mounted_callback), desktop_icon_view, 0); - g_signal_connect_object (nautilus_volume_monitor_get (), "volume_unmounted", - G_CALLBACK (volume_unmounted_callback), desktop_icon_view, 0); g_signal_connect_object (desktop_icon_view, "realize", G_CALLBACK (realized_callback), desktop_icon_view, 0); g_signal_connect_object (desktop_icon_view, "unrealize", G_CALLBACK (unrealized_callback), desktop_icon_view, 0); - eel_preferences_add_callback (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_HOME_URI, - home_uri_changed, - desktop_icon_view); - eel_preferences_add_callback (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_ICON_VIEW_DEFAULT_ZOOM_LEVEL, default_zoom_level_changed, desktop_icon_view); @@ -852,8 +643,7 @@ static void volume_ops_callback (BonoboUIComponent *component, gpointer data, const char *verb) { FMDirectoryView *view; - NautilusFile *file; - char *uri, *mount_uri, *mount_path; + char *mount_path; GList *selection; char *command; const char *device_path; @@ -864,6 +654,7 @@ volume_ops_callback (BonoboUIComponent * GError *error; GtkWidget *dialog; GdkScreen *screen; + NautilusDesktopLink *link; g_assert (FM_IS_DIRECTORY_VIEW (data)); @@ -874,25 +665,16 @@ volume_ops_callback (BonoboUIComponent * } selection = fm_directory_view_get_selection (view); + + link = nautilus_desktop_icon_file_get_link (NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE (selection->data)); + mount_path = nautilus_desktop_link_get_mount_path (link); + g_object_unref (link); - file = NAUTILUS_FILE (selection->data); - - uri = nautilus_file_get_uri (file); - if (!eel_str_has_prefix (uri, "file:")) { - /* Don't allow volume ops on remote uris */ - g_free (uri); - nautilus_file_list_free (selection); - return; - } - - mount_uri = nautilus_link_local_get_link_uri (uri); - mount_path = gnome_vfs_get_local_path_from_uri (mount_uri); - g_free (uri); - g_free (mount_uri); if (mount_path == NULL) { nautilus_file_list_free (selection); return; } + volume = nautilus_volume_monitor_get_volume_for_path (nautilus_volume_monitor_get (), mount_path); device_path = nautilus_volume_get_device_path (volume); @@ -976,23 +758,20 @@ static gboolean trash_link_is_selection (FMDirectoryView *view) { GList *selection; + NautilusDesktopLink *link; gboolean result; - char *uri; result = FALSE; selection = fm_directory_view_get_selection (view); - if (eel_g_list_exactly_one_item (selection) - && nautilus_file_is_nautilus_link (NAUTILUS_FILE (selection->data))) { - uri = nautilus_file_get_uri (NAUTILUS_FILE (selection->data)); - /* It's probably OK that this only works for local - * items, since the trash we care about is on the desktop. - */ - if (nautilus_link_local_is_trash_link (uri, NULL)) { + if (eel_g_list_exactly_one_item (selection) && + NAUTILUS_IS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE (selection->data)) { + link = nautilus_desktop_icon_file_get_link (NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE (selection->data)); + if (nautilus_desktop_link_get_link_type (link) == NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_TRASH) { result = TRUE; } - g_free (uri); + g_object_unref (link); } nautilus_file_list_free (selection); @@ -1004,23 +783,20 @@ static gboolean volume_link_is_selection (FMDirectoryView *view) { GList *selection; + NautilusDesktopLink *link; gboolean result; - char *uri; result = FALSE; selection = fm_directory_view_get_selection (view); - if (eel_g_list_exactly_one_item (selection) - && nautilus_file_is_nautilus_link (NAUTILUS_FILE (selection->data))) { - uri = nautilus_file_get_uri (NAUTILUS_FILE (selection->data)); - /* It's probably OK that this only works for local - * items, since the volume we care about is on the desktop. - */ - if (nautilus_link_local_is_volume_link (uri, NULL)) { + if (eel_g_list_exactly_one_item (selection) && + NAUTILUS_IS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE (selection->data)) { + link = nautilus_desktop_icon_file_get_link (NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE (selection->data)); + if (nautilus_desktop_link_get_link_type (link) == NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_VOLUME) { result = TRUE; } - g_free (uri); + g_object_unref (link); } nautilus_file_list_free (selection); @@ -1036,8 +812,9 @@ static NautilusDeviceType volume_link_device_type (FMDirectoryView *view) { GList *selection; - gchar *uri, *mount_uri, *mount_path; + gchar *mount_path; NautilusVolume *volume; + NautilusDesktopLink *link; selection = fm_directory_view_get_selection (view); @@ -1045,18 +822,12 @@ volume_link_device_type (FMDirectoryView return NAUTILUS_DEVICE_UNKNOWN; } - volume = NULL; - - uri = nautilus_file_get_uri (NAUTILUS_FILE (selection->data)); - mount_uri = nautilus_link_local_get_link_uri (uri); - mount_path = gnome_vfs_get_local_path_from_uri (mount_uri); - if(mount_path != NULL) { - volume = nautilus_volume_monitor_get_volume_for_path (nautilus_volume_monitor_get (), mount_path); - g_free (mount_path); - } - g_free (mount_uri); - g_free (uri); + link = nautilus_desktop_icon_file_get_link (NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE (selection->data)); + mount_path = nautilus_desktop_link_get_mount_path (link); + volume = nautilus_volume_monitor_get_volume_for_path (nautilus_volume_monitor_get (), mount_path); + g_free (mount_path); nautilus_file_list_free (selection); + g_object_unref (link); if (volume != NULL) return nautilus_volume_get_device_type (volume); @@ -1064,72 +835,6 @@ volume_link_device_type (FMDirectoryView return NAUTILUS_DEVICE_UNKNOWN; } - -static void -fm_desktop_icon_view_trash_state_changed_callback (NautilusTrashMonitor *trash_monitor, - gboolean state, - gpointer callback_data) -{ - char *path; - - path = g_build_filename (desktop_directory, TRASH_LINK_NAME, NULL); - - nautilus_link_local_set_icon (path, state ? "gnome-fs-trash-empty" : "gnome-fs-trash-full"); - - g_free (path); -} - -static void -volume_mounted_callback (NautilusVolumeMonitor *monitor, - NautilusVolume *volume, - FMDesktopIconView *icon_view) -{ - create_mount_link (icon_view, volume); -} - -static void -unlink_and_notify (const char *path) -{ - char *uri, *unescaped_uri; - GList one_item_list; - - unlink (path); - - uri = gnome_vfs_get_uri_from_local_path (path); - if (uri == NULL) { - return; - } - - unescaped_uri = gnome_vfs_unescape_string (uri, NULL); - g_free (uri); - - one_item_list.data = unescaped_uri; - one_item_list.next = NULL; - one_item_list.prev = NULL; - nautilus_directory_notify_files_removed (&one_item_list); -} - -static void -volume_unmounted_callback (NautilusVolumeMonitor *monitor, - NautilusVolume *volume, - FMDesktopIconView *icon_view) -{ - char *link_path, *volume_name; - - g_assert (volume != NULL); - - volume_name = nautilus_volume_get_name (volume); - if (volume_name == NULL) { - return; - } - - link_path = g_build_filename (desktop_directory, volume_name, NULL); - unlink_and_notify (link_path); - - g_free (volume_name); - g_free (link_path); -} - static MountParameters * mount_parameters_new (FMDesktopIconView *view, const char *mount_path) { @@ -1488,128 +1193,3 @@ real_supports_zooming (FMDirectoryView * */ return FALSE; } - -/* update_desktop_directory - * - * Look for a particular type of link on the desktop. If the right - * link is there, update its target URI. Delete any extra links of - * that type. - */ -static void -update_desktop_directory (UpdateType type) -{ - char *link_path; - GnomeVFSResult result; - GList *desktop_files, *l; - GnomeVFSFileInfo *info; - - char *home_uri = NULL; - char *home_link_name = NULL; - gboolean found_home_link; - gboolean found_trash_link; - - if (type & UPDATE_HOME_LINK) { - /* Note to translators: If it's hard to compose a good home - * icon name from the user name, you can use a string without - * an "%s" here, in which case the home icon name will not - * include the user's name, which should be fine. To avoid a - * warning, put "%.0s" somewhere in the string, which will - * match the user name string passed by the C code, but not - * put the user name in the final string. - */ - home_link_name = g_strdup_printf (_("%s's Home"), g_get_user_name ()); - -#ifdef WEB_NAVIGATION_ENABLED - home_uri = eel_preferences_get (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_HOME_URI); -#else - home_uri = gnome_vfs_get_uri_from_local_path (g_get_home_dir ()); -#endif - } - - result = gnome_vfs_directory_list_load - (&desktop_files, desktop_directory, - GNOME_VFS_FILE_INFO_GET_MIME_TYPE | - GNOME_VFS_FILE_INFO_FOLLOW_LINKS); - - found_home_link = found_trash_link = FALSE; - - if (result != GNOME_VFS_OK) { - desktop_files = NULL; - } - - for (l = desktop_files; l; l = l->next) { - info = l->data; - - if (info->valid_fields & GNOME_VFS_FILE_INFO_FIELDS_TYPE && - info->type != GNOME_VFS_FILE_TYPE_REGULAR && - info->type != GNOME_VFS_FILE_TYPE_SYMBOLIC_LINK) { - continue; - } - - link_path = g_build_filename (desktop_directory, info->name, NULL); - - - if (type & DELETE_MOUNT_LINKS && - nautilus_link_local_is_volume_link (link_path, info)) { - unlink_and_notify (link_path); - } - - - if (type & UPDATE_HOME_LINK && - nautilus_link_local_is_home_link (link_path, info)) { - if (!found_home_link && - nautilus_link_local_is_utf8 (link_path, info)) { - nautilus_link_local_set_link_uri (link_path, home_uri); - nautilus_link_local_set_icon (link_path, "gnome-fs-home"); - found_home_link = TRUE; - } else { - unlink_and_notify (link_path); /* kill duplicates */ - } - } - - if (type & UPDATE_TRASH_LINK && - nautilus_link_local_is_trash_link (link_path, info)) { - if (!found_trash_link && - nautilus_link_local_is_utf8 (link_path, info) && - !strcmp (TRASH_LINK_NAME, info->name)) { - nautilus_link_local_set_link_uri (link_path, EEL_TRASH_URI); - found_trash_link = TRUE; - } else { - unlink_and_notify (link_path); /* kill duplicates */ - } - } - g_free (link_path); - } - - gnome_vfs_file_info_list_free (desktop_files); - - if (type & UPDATE_HOME_LINK && !found_home_link && - !eel_preferences_get_boolean (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_IS_HOME_DIR)) { - nautilus_link_local_create (desktop_directory, - home_link_name, - "gnome-fs-home", - home_uri, - NULL, - NAUTILUS_LINK_HOME); - } - - if (type & UPDATE_TRASH_LINK) { - if (!found_trash_link) { - nautilus_link_local_create (desktop_directory, - TRASH_LINK_NAME, - "gnome-fs-trash-empty", - EEL_TRASH_URI, - NULL, - NAUTILUS_LINK_TRASH); - } - - /* Make sure link represents current trash state */ - fm_desktop_icon_view_trash_state_changed_callback (nautilus_trash_monitor_get (), - nautilus_trash_monitor_is_empty (), - NULL); - } - - g_free (home_link_name); - g_free (home_uri); -} - Index: src/file-manager/fm-directory-view.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/file-manager/fm-directory-view.c,v retrieving revision 1.574 diff -u -p -r1.574 fm-directory-view.c --- src/file-manager/fm-directory-view.c 29 Apr 2003 07:30:19 -0000 1.574 +++ src/file-manager/fm-directory-view.c 15 May 2003 17:08:09 -0000 @@ -68,6 +68,8 @@ #include #include #include +#include +#include #include #include #include @@ -992,7 +994,7 @@ new_launcher_callback (BonoboUIComponent view = FM_DIRECTORY_VIEW (callback_data); - parent_uri = fm_directory_view_get_uri (view); + parent_uri = fm_directory_view_get_backing_uri (view); nautilus_launch_application_from_command (gtk_widget_get_screen (GTK_WIDGET (view)), "gnome-desktop-item-edit", @@ -2314,7 +2316,7 @@ display_pending_idle_callback (gpointer { gboolean ret; FMDirectoryView *view; - + view = FM_DIRECTORY_VIEW (data); g_object_ref (G_OBJECT (view)); @@ -2474,7 +2476,7 @@ done_loading_callback (NautilusDirectory gpointer callback_data) { FMDirectoryView *view; - + view = FM_DIRECTORY_VIEW (callback_data); process_new_files (view); @@ -2946,7 +2948,7 @@ fm_directory_view_duplicate_selection (F * * Return TRUE if one of our special links is in the selection. * Special links include the following: - * NAUTILUS_LINK_TRASH, NAUTILUS_LINK_HOME, NAUTILUS_LINK_MOUNT + * NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_TRASH, NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_HOME, NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_MOUNT */ static gboolean @@ -2955,7 +2957,6 @@ special_link_in_selection (FMDirectoryVi gboolean saw_link; GList *selection, *node; NautilusFile *file; - char *uri; g_return_val_if_fail (FM_IS_DIRECTORY_VIEW (view), FALSE); @@ -2966,14 +2967,7 @@ special_link_in_selection (FMDirectoryVi for (node = selection; node != NULL; node = node->next) { file = NAUTILUS_FILE (node->data); - uri = nautilus_file_get_uri (file); - - /* FIXME: This reads the link file every single time. */ - saw_link = nautilus_file_is_local (file) - && nautilus_file_is_nautilus_link (file) - && nautilus_link_local_is_special_link (uri); - - g_free (uri); + saw_link = NAUTILUS_IS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE (file); if (saw_link) { break; @@ -2999,7 +2993,9 @@ can_move_uri_to_trash (FMDirectoryView * file_uri = gnome_vfs_uri_new (file_uri_string); - g_return_val_if_fail (file_uri != NULL, FALSE); + if (file_uri == NULL) { + return FALSE; + } /* FIXME: Why can't we just pass file_uri to gnome_vfs_find_directory? */ directory_uri = gnome_vfs_uri_get_parent (file_uri); @@ -3273,7 +3269,7 @@ fm_directory_view_new_folder (FMDirector { char *parent_uri; - parent_uri = fm_directory_view_get_uri (directory_view); + parent_uri = fm_directory_view_get_backing_uri (directory_view); nautilus_file_operations_new_folder (GTK_WIDGET (directory_view), parent_uri, new_folder_done, directory_view); @@ -4406,6 +4402,14 @@ clear_clipboard_callback (GtkClipboard * g_free (user_data_or_owner); } +static GtkClipboard * +get_clipboard (FMDirectoryView *view) +{ + return gtk_clipboard_get_for_display (gtk_widget_get_display (GTK_WIDGET (view)), + GDK_SELECTION_CLIPBOARD); +} + + static void copy_or_cut_files (FMDirectoryView *view, gboolean cut) @@ -4419,7 +4423,7 @@ copy_or_cut_files (FMDirectoryView *view clipboard_string = convert_file_list_to_string (clipboard_contents, cut); - gtk_clipboard_set_with_data (gtk_clipboard_get (GDK_SELECTION_CLIPBOARD), + gtk_clipboard_set_with_data (get_clipboard (view), clipboard_targets, G_N_ELEMENTS (clipboard_targets), get_clipboard_callback, clear_clipboard_callback, clipboard_string); @@ -4525,7 +4529,7 @@ clipboard_received_callback (GtkClipboar g_strfreev (lines); } - view_uri = fm_directory_view_get_uri (view); + view_uri = fm_directory_view_get_backing_uri (view); if (item_uris == NULL|| view_uri == NULL) { nautilus_view_report_status (view->details->nautilus_view, @@ -4543,7 +4547,11 @@ paste_files_callback (BonoboUIComponent gpointer callback_data, const char *verb) { - gtk_clipboard_request_contents (gtk_clipboard_get (GDK_SELECTION_CLIPBOARD), + FMDirectoryView *view; + + view = FM_DIRECTORY_VIEW (callback_data); + + gtk_clipboard_request_contents (get_clipboard (view), copied_files_atom, clipboard_received_callback, callback_data); @@ -4626,6 +4634,7 @@ clipboard_targets_received (GtkClipboard int n_targets; int i; + view = FM_DIRECTORY_VIEW (user_data); can_paste = FALSE; @@ -4832,7 +4841,7 @@ real_update_menus (FMDirectoryView *view } else { /* Ask the clipboard */ g_object_ref (view); /* Need to keep the object alive until we get the reply */ - gtk_clipboard_request_contents (gtk_clipboard_get (GDK_SELECTION_CLIPBOARD), + gtk_clipboard_request_contents (get_clipboard (view), gdk_atom_intern ("TARGETS", FALSE), clipboard_targets_received, view); @@ -5960,6 +5969,34 @@ fm_directory_view_get_uri (FMDirectoryVi return nautilus_directory_get_uri (view->details->model); } +/* Get the real directory where files will be stored and created */ +char * +fm_directory_view_get_backing_uri (FMDirectoryView *view) +{ + NautilusDirectory *directory; + char *uri; + + g_return_val_if_fail (FM_IS_DIRECTORY_VIEW (view), NULL); + + if (view->details->model == NULL) { + return NULL; + } + + directory = view->details->model; + + if (NAUTILUS_IS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY (directory)) { + directory = nautilus_desktop_directory_get_real_directory (NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY (directory)); + } else { + nautilus_directory_ref (directory); + } + + uri = nautilus_directory_get_uri (directory); + + nautilus_directory_unref (directory); + + return uri; +} + void fm_directory_view_move_copy_items (const GList *item_uris, GArray *relative_item_points, @@ -6004,7 +6041,7 @@ fm_directory_view_move_copy_items (const return; } - + if (eel_uri_is_trash (target_uri) && copy_action == GDK_ACTION_MOVE) { trash_or_delete_files_common (view, item_uris, relative_item_points, FALSE); } else { Index: src/file-manager/fm-directory-view.h =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/file-manager/fm-directory-view.h,v retrieving revision 1.128 diff -u -p -r1.128 fm-directory-view.h --- src/file-manager/fm-directory-view.h 7 Apr 2003 11:56:04 -0000 1.128 +++ src/file-manager/fm-directory-view.h 15 May 2003 17:08:09 -0000 @@ -292,6 +292,7 @@ NautilusView * fm_directory_view_ge /* Functions callable from the user interface and elsewhere. */ char * fm_directory_view_get_uri (FMDirectoryView *view); +char * fm_directory_view_get_backing_uri (FMDirectoryView *view); gboolean fm_directory_view_can_accept_item (NautilusFile *target_item, const char *item_uri, FMDirectoryView *view); Index: src/file-manager/fm-icon-container.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/file-manager/fm-icon-container.c,v retrieving revision 1.9 diff -u -p -r1.9 fm-icon-container.c --- src/file-manager/fm-icon-container.c 2 Apr 2003 11:51:14 -0000 1.9 +++ src/file-manager/fm-icon-container.c 15 May 2003 17:08:09 -0000 @@ -31,6 +31,7 @@ #include #include #include +#include #include "fm-icon-container.h" @@ -248,6 +249,13 @@ fm_icon_container_get_icon_text (Nautilu *editable_text = nautilus_file_get_display_name (file); } + if (NAUTILUS_IS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE (file)) { + /* Don't show the normal extra information for desktop icons, it doesn't + * make sense. */ + *additional_text = NULL; + return; + } + /* Handle link files specially. */ if (nautilus_file_is_nautilus_link (file)) { /* FIXME bugzilla.gnome.org 42531: Does sync. I/O and works only locally. */ @@ -318,34 +326,30 @@ typedef enum { static SortCategory get_sort_category (NautilusFile *file) { - char *uri; + NautilusDesktopLink *link; SortCategory category; - if (!nautilus_file_is_nautilus_link (file)) { - category = SORT_OTHER; - } else { - if (!nautilus_file_is_local (file)) - return SORT_OTHER; - - uri = nautilus_file_get_uri (file); + if (NAUTILUS_IS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE (file)) { + link = nautilus_desktop_icon_file_get_link (NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE (file)); - switch (nautilus_link_local_get_link_type (uri, NULL)) { - case NAUTILUS_LINK_HOME: + switch (nautilus_desktop_link_get_link_type (link)) { + case NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_HOME: category = SORT_HOME_LINK; break; - case NAUTILUS_LINK_MOUNT: + case NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_VOLUME: category = SORT_MOUNT_LINK; break; - case NAUTILUS_LINK_TRASH: + case NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_TRASH: category = SORT_TRASH_LINK; break; default: category = SORT_OTHER; break; } - - g_free (uri); - } + g_object_unref (link); + } else { + category = SORT_OTHER; + } return category; } Index: src/file-manager/fm-icon-view.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/file-manager/fm-icon-view.c,v retrieving revision 1.279 diff -u -p -r1.279 fm-icon-view.c --- src/file-manager/fm-icon-view.c 3 May 2003 23:23:31 -0000 1.279 +++ src/file-manager/fm-icon-view.c 15 May 2003 17:08:09 -0000 @@ -2413,7 +2413,7 @@ icon_view_handle_uri_list (NautilusIconC return; } - container_uri = fm_directory_view_get_uri (FM_DIRECTORY_VIEW (view)); + container_uri = fm_directory_view_get_backing_uri (FM_DIRECTORY_VIEW (view)); g_return_if_fail (container_uri != NULL); if (eel_vfs_has_capability (container_uri, Index: src/file-manager/fm-properties-window.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/file-manager/fm-properties-window.c,v retrieving revision 1.170 diff -u -p -r1.170 fm-properties-window.c --- src/file-manager/fm-properties-window.c 23 Apr 2003 18:29:13 -0000 1.170 +++ src/file-manager/fm-properties-window.c 15 May 2003 17:08:10 -0000 @@ -63,6 +63,7 @@ #include #include #include +#include #include #include #include @@ -2479,34 +2480,21 @@ static NautilusFile * get_target_file (NautilusFile *file) { NautilusFile *target_file; - char *uri; char *uri_to_display; + NautilusDesktopLink *link; target_file = NULL; - if (nautilus_file_is_nautilus_link (file)) { - /* Note: This will only work on local files. For now - * that seems fine since the links we care about are - * all on the desktop. - */ - if (nautilus_file_is_local (file)) { - uri = nautilus_file_get_uri (file); - - switch (nautilus_link_local_get_link_type (uri, NULL)) { - case NAUTILUS_LINK_MOUNT: - case NAUTILUS_LINK_TRASH: - case NAUTILUS_LINK_HOME: - /* map to linked URI for these types of links */ - uri_to_display = nautilus_link_local_get_link_uri (uri); - target_file = nautilus_file_get (uri_to_display); - g_free (uri_to_display); - break; - case NAUTILUS_LINK_GENERIC: - /* don't for these types */ - break; - } - - g_free (uri); + if (NAUTILUS_IS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE (file)) { + link = nautilus_desktop_icon_file_get_link (NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE (file)); + + /* map to linked URI for these types of links */ + uri_to_display = nautilus_desktop_link_get_activation_uri (link); + if (uri_to_display) { + target_file = nautilus_file_get (uri_to_display); + g_free (uri_to_display); } + + g_object_unref (link); } if (target_file != NULL) { --=-PwzCvansxjCM0d7lyMUQ-- From mpeseng@tin.it Sun May 18 15:28:34 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp1.libero.it (smtp1.libero.it [193.70.192.51]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92577184AA for ; Sun, 18 May 2003 15:28:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp-44-196.30-151.libero.it (151.30.196.44) by smtp1.libero.it (7.0.012) id 3E95468600D3A610; Sun, 18 May 2003 21:28:34 +0200 Subject: Sharing the spinner with icon theme From: Marco Pesenti Gritti To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Cc: alexl@redhat.com Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1053286099.900.36.camel@balurdi> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-5) Date: 18 May 2003 21:28:20 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I'd like to know if it would be possible to share the spinner (throbber) between nautilus and epiphany. Using the gnome icon theme would seem like the right way to do it, with the advantage to make it themable too. Current implementation doesnt use a single animation though, but a set of images. Would make sense to change it to use an animated gif instead ? Possible problems: - Legal problems. The GIF patents are expired, so I think this should not be an issue. - The quality of gifs is limited to 256 colors. I've been able to convert the default spinner without apparent lose of quality though. http://mpgritti.oltrelinux.com/spinner.gif So it seem to be possible to build nice spinners also with only 256 colors (and anyway, without using icon theme, they would not be themable at all) - The icon theme specification apparently doesnt support gif "The image files must be one of the types: PNG, XPM, or SVG" Is it intended ? (This has been discussed briefly on http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113161) Marco From mpeseng@tin.it Mon May 19 18:56:09 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp1.libero.it (smtp1.libero.it [193.70.192.51]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FAE618B3E for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 18:56:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp-157-197.30-151.libero.it (151.30.197.157) by smtp1.libero.it (7.0.012) id 3E95468600DB379D; Tue, 20 May 2003 00:56:03 +0200 Subject: Re: Sharing the spinner with icon theme From: Marco Pesenti Gritti To: Alexander Larsson Cc: Nautilus In-Reply-To: <1053333605.11180.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1053286099.900.36.camel@balurdi> <1053333605.11180.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1053384943.902.2.camel@balurdi> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-5) Date: 20 May 2003 00:55:44 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > Yes, this is intended, to allow implementations that don't have to > implement old broken file formats. > > The way kde handles this is by having a large icon with all the frames > on a grid. That would work fine for us too. Ok I'll try to implement something like this in ephy. Thanks for your help. Marco From mjs@noisehavoc.org Tue May 20 02:36:04 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from chaos.noisehavoc.org (dsl093-167-154.sfo2.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.93.167.154]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0639D18413 for ; Tue, 20 May 2003 02:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mjs by chaos.noisehavoc.org with local (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 19I0Cb-0007tX-00; Mon, 19 May 2003 23:02:21 -0700 Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 23:02:21 -0700 From: Maciej Stachowiak To: Marco Pesenti Gritti Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org, alexl@redhat.com Subject: Re: Sharing the spinner with icon theme Message-ID: <20030519230221.A30324@noisehavoc.org> References: <1053286099.900.36.camel@balurdi> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <1053286099.900.36.camel@balurdi>; from mpeseng@tin.it on Sun, May 18, 2003 at 09:28:20PM +0200 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On 18May2003 09:28PM (+0200), Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: > I'd like to know if it would be possible to share the spinner (throbber) > between nautilus and epiphany. > Using the gnome icon theme would seem like the right way to do it, with > the advantage to make it themable too. > Current implementation doesnt use a single animation though, but a set > of images. > Would make sense to change it to use an animated gif instead ? GIFs only support one bit of transparency. I dunno if people use transparency in spinners, but if they did, I expect they would want proper anti-aliasing. MNG is a format based which supports animation similar to animated GIFs, but which has a full alpha channel like PNG. - Maciej From pfeil@10East.com Wed May 21 18:02:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from 10east.com (docs1.10east.com [63.238.77.220]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D42A018654; Wed, 21 May 2003 18:02:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pfeil1.abcrs.com (pfeil1.abcrs.com [63.238.77.138]) by 10east.com (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h4LM2JVH002373; Wed, 21 May 2003 18:02:19 -0400 Subject: Re: $HOME as desktop From: "Jason A. Pfeil" Reply-To: jason@jasonpfeil.com To: Owen Taylor Cc: Yoann Vandoorselaere , nautilus-list@gnome.org, Gnome-Desktop-Devel Mailling List In-Reply-To: <1053122169.32364.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1053118716.32364.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1053120316.7981.59.camel@alph> <1053122169.32364.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: 10 East Corp. Message-Id: <1053554518.30874.25.camel@pfeil1.abcrs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.4 Date: 21 May 2003 18:01:58 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hmmm... I've been following this with interest for some time and an idea just cropped up. What about a completely "virtual" desktop? There is *no* folder for the desktop. Instead, there is a gconf folder under /desktop called "desktop contents" and in there it contains a set of keys which are paths to the files (and directories) that GNOME considers to be "on the desktop". There could also be a /desktop_sorting folder which contains one key called sorting_method and then any number of keys which refer to the files and directories for a non-alphabetical sorting method. That way, there is no confusion between a physical folder on disk and the "concept" of having something on the desktop. Dragging something from a directory onto the desktop would add that object into the /desktop gconf folder and put it in the right order for sorting in the /desktop_sorting folder, if necessary. This would obviate the need for worrying about the name of the desktop folder on the filesystem since it was all internally generated anyway and would be handled by the normal i18n translations. Anyway, just an idea to toss out there. Keep up the good work and the lively debate! :-) --Jason On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 17:56, Owen Taylor wrote: > On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 17:25, Yoann Vandoorselaere wrote: > > On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 22:58, Owen Taylor wrote: > > > I really hesitate to jump in here, but I think it's > > > worth stating clearly why $HOME as desktop isn't an > > > option: > > > > > > - Upgrades: user upgrades to Red Hat 14.7. Suddenly, > > > they have 531 files on their desktop, many of > > > which don't fit on the screen. Unless they think > > > to "clean up", some of these files may be lost > > > forever because they are way off the screen. > > > > > > I think it's unreasonable to expect users to > > > spend a day cleaning their home directory just > > > because they switched to a new version of GNOME. > > > > I'm not really sure what you mean here, but I assume you're talking > > about a program which would use $HOME as the default behaviour for > > downloading file. > > > > Why would theses files appear in their home directory ? People get used > > to behavior of the programs they use. People will get used to $HOME as > > the desktop. And then, when downloading > here/>, user will not choose to download it under $HOME. > > > > And even if they did, they would notice the increasing number of files > > showing up in their home directory, and would probably realize they did > > something wrong. > > I'm saying, that Linux has somewhere on the order of a million people > using it on the desktop currently. I'd be pretty sure that most of those > people have a large number of files in their home directory. > > We have to have a plan to deal with those people upgrading to new > versions of GNOME. > > > > - We don't control the other software the user > > > runs, we don't control what software they run > > > in the past; you may claim that everybody > > > should change, but that isn't realistic; looking > > > in my home directory. > > > > > > dcc - xchat is broken > > > evolution - evolution is broken > > > nsmail - Netscape 4 was broken several years ago > > > GNUstep - wmaker was broken when I tried to > > > reproduce a bug yesterday > > > Mail - various traditionally unixy things are broken > > > News - Gnus is broken > > > Desktop - KDE is broken > > > > > > You get the picture. If we made $HOME the desktop > > > we force the user to choose between having useless > > > cruft on their desktop and not using other software. > > > > Maybe the right answer would be to contact the authors of theses > > program, and to involve them in this discussion. Maybe things would go > > further that way. > > > > Maybe, if after this big discussion, most people agree that programs > > should not create folder in $HOME (at least if they are not hiden) - and > > even if some outside programers disagree - Users, by asking the > > programmers to comply to the standard (or to what the mass think), will > > make him change is mind. > > > > Anyway, I don't believe that the "Everybody is broken, so let's write > > something borked too" is the good attitude toward solving this problem. > > Hmm, using a subdirectory for the Desktop works well enough for > everybody else (MacOS/Windows/KDE) that I think it is a *big* stretch to > call it broken. > > What I'm saying is that using $HOME as the desktop is going to > cause substantial migration pains for both users and developers > for relatively minimal gains. > > And if there isn't *agreement* in the Linux/Unix desktop community on > the subject, than we aren't talking minimal gains, we are > talking substantial regressions. > > > > - Quality user experience depends on consistency; > > > not just within GNOME, but for all apps. How > > > are Mozilla, and OpenOffice.org, and the > > > Java file selector, and ... going to get the > > > behavior right if GNOME uses ~ and KDE uses Desktop/ ? > > > > Did any KDE developers commented on this issue ? If not, wouldn't it be > > a good idea to start discussing the issue with them ? > > I'm not sure that expanding the scope of this discussion is > going to be that useful of a step right now... but if you > are interested, the first step would probably be to do > some research and see if the topic has previously come up > in the past. > > Regards, > Owen > > > _______________________________________________ > desktop-devel-list mailing list > desktop-devel-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list -- Jason A. Pfeil pfeil@10East.com Senior Open Systems Engineer http://www.10East.com 10East, Inc. (904)220-DOCS From kb@bluehash.de Wed May 21 20:58:55 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.medianet-world.de (unknown [213.157.0.162]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E176618EE7 for ; Wed, 21 May 2003 20:58:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 12216 invoked from network); 22 May 2003 00:58:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IP-213157009165.dialin.heagmedianet.de) (213.157.9.165) by mail.medianet-world.de with SMTP; 22 May 2003 00:58:54 -0000 Subject: Re: $HOME as desktop From: kb To: jason@jasonpfeil.com Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1053554518.30874.25.camel@pfeil1.abcrs.com> References: <1053118716.32364.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1053120316.7981.59.camel@alph> <1053122169.32364.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1053554518.30874.25.camel@pfeil1.abcrs.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1053565137.2046.131.camel@delta> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (Preview Release) Date: 22 May 2003 02:58:57 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: # repost, due to using wrong account on first attempt On Thu, 2003-05-22 at 00:01, Jason A. Pfeil wrote: > I've been following this with interest for some time and an idea just > cropped up. > > What about a completely "virtual" desktop? There is *no* folder for the > desktop. Instead, there is a gconf folder under /desktop called > "desktop contents" and in there it contains a set of keys which are > paths to the files (and directories) that GNOME considers to be "on the > desktop". There could also be a /desktop_sorting folder which contains > one key called sorting_method and then any number of keys which refer to > the files and directories for a non-alphabetical sorting method. > > That way, there is no confusion between a physical folder on disk and > the "concept" of having something on the desktop. Dragging something > from a directory onto the desktop would add that object into the > /desktop gconf folder and put it in the right order for sorting in the > /desktop_sorting folder, if necessary. This would obviate the need for > worrying about the name of the desktop folder on the filesystem since it > was all internally generated anyway and would be handled by the normal > i18n translations. > > Anyway, just an idea to toss out there. Actually, that is a good idea IMHO -- except for the GConf keys. That may get really huge and nasty to change by hacking. And I do love plain text files for configuration. That said, the idea is really how I see it, too. The Desktop should be a virtual place. I never want to store files on it. Links are essential, though. To store all those configuration options, links and stuff I still prefer a hidden ~/.desktop directory for that virtual place. btw: The "home" icon really makes sense then, and does not lead to infinite loops... ;-) > Keep up the good work and the lively debate! full ack karsten -- Hi, I'm a signature virus. Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread! From sinzui@cox.net Wed May 21 21:23:43 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from lakemtao01.cox.net (lakemtao01.cox.net [68.1.17.244]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A864118235; Wed, 21 May 2003 21:23:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([68.106.102.11]) by lakemtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030522012341.LKHA8337.lakemtao01.cox.net@[192.168.1.101]>; Wed, 21 May 2003 21:23:41 -0400 Subject: Re: $HOME as desktop From: Curtis Hovey Reply-To: sinzui@cox.net To: guenther Cc: Nautilus-list , desktop-devel-list In-Reply-To: <1053563543.2032.123.camel@delta> References: <1053118716.32364.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1053120316.7981.59.camel@alph> <1053122169.32364.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1053554518.30874.25.camel@pfeil1.abcrs.com> <1053563543.2032.123.camel@delta> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: i Message-Id: <1053566620.8522.60.camel@autumn.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (Preview Release) Date: 21 May 2003 21:23:42 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, 2003-05-21 at 20:32, guenther wrote: > On Thu, 2003-05-22 at 00:01, Jason A. Pfeil wrote: > > I've been following this with interest for some time and an idea just > > cropped up. > > > > What about a completely "virtual" desktop? There is *no* folder for the > > desktop. Instead, there is a gconf folder under /desktop called > > "desktop contents" and in there it contains a set of keys which are > > paths to the files (and directories) that GNOME considers to be "on the > > desktop". There could also be a /desktop_sorting folder which contains > > one key called sorting_method and then any number of keys which refer to > > the files and directories for a non-alphabetical sorting method. > > > > That way, there is no confusion between a physical folder on disk and > > the "concept" of having something on the desktop. Dragging something > > from a directory onto the desktop would add that object into the > > /desktop gconf folder and put it in the right order for sorting in the > > /desktop_sorting folder, if necessary. This would obviate the need for > > worrying about the name of the desktop folder on the filesystem since it > > was all internally generated anyway and would be handled by the normal > > i18n translations. > > > > Anyway, just an idea to toss out there. > > Actually, that is a good idea IMHO -- except for the GConf keys. That > may get really huge and nasty to change by hacking. And I do love plain > text files for configuration. > > That said, the idea is really how I see it, too. The Desktop should be a > virtual place. I never want to store files on it. Links are essential, > though. You can accomplish the virtual desktop with Medusa. All you need to do is tag the desktop content with a keyword (emblems are synonymous with keywords in nautilus) and just do a search for "keywords include desktop". I tested a rudimentary set of virtual folders on my desktop by saving the search URIs as .desktop files and giving them folder icons. It works very well. You can't do this yet in Medusa/Nautilus, but soon. I've got a keyword/filename defect to fix before Medusa is fully operational. Nautilus search is working, but the UI's display needs a good number of fixes to display right I hope to get this committed by mid June. All we need to do to make this happen without the user having to manage this a silent way to tag desktop items and update the icon display to show search results. -- __C U R T I S C. H O V E Y____________________ sinzui@cox.net Guilty of stealing everything I am. From rees@netnam.vn Wed May 21 21:59:11 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp.netnam.vn (smtp.netnam.vn [203.162.7.93]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 682391857E; Wed, 21 May 2003 21:59:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netnam.vn (ci75_181.netnam.vn [203.162.75.181] (may be forged)) by smtp.netnam.vn (8.11.7+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4MG0uY23955; Thu, 22 May 2003 09:00:56 -0700 (GMT) Message-ID: <3ECB4F9E.3030907@netnam.vn> Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 17:06:22 +0700 From: Darryl Rees User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kb Cc: jason@jasonpfeil.com, nautilus-list@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: $HOME as desktop References: <1053118716.32364.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1053120316.7981.59.camel@alph> <1053122169.32364.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1053554518.30874.25.camel@pfeil1.abcrs.com> <1053565137.2046.131.camel@delta> In-Reply-To: <1053565137.2046.131.camel@delta> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: kb wrote: >>What about a completely "virtual" desktop? There is *no* folder for the >>desktop. >> That said, the idea is really how I see it, too. The Desktop should be a >virtual place. I never want to store files on it. Links are essential, >though. > >btw: The "home" icon really makes sense then, and does not lead to >infinite loops... ;-) > > Sorry, but AFAI can see this would be the same as having .gnome-desktop except much harder to implement and MUCH harder to get pushed through as a dekstop standard (the main issue for the ~/Desktop advocates). If the only issue was the recursive loop the link to ~/Desktop could be removed from $Home with the same effect. Atleast your're thinking laterally though ;-) Cheers, Long. From petri.kanerva@surfeu.fi Fri May 23 01:23:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from surfeu.fi (mailbox.surfeu.fi [213.173.154.4]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A43418154 for ; Fri, 23 May 2003 01:23:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DynIP-146-165.Hki5.surfeu.fi (account petri.kanerva [213.173.146.165] verified) by surfeu.fi (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.1) with ESMTP id 41908169 for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Fri, 23 May 2003 08:23:51 +0300 Subject: Bug with volume handling in 2.3.2 From: Petri Kanerva To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1053616789.243.13.camel@darkstar.example.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.2 (Preview Release) Date: 23 May 2003 08:24:24 +0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi! After five minutes of using the newest Nautilus, a bug was discowered from the new desktop code. If we have two volumes with the same name, Nautilus crashes, taking up the whole processor. Like, mount 2 cd-roms with exactly same names. Before when this happened, the second would have a 'Name (2)' label. This was also tested by making a temporary mount point to /mnt/test/C. As the regular mount point for the win-partition is /mnt/C. Then made appropriate line to fstab for the new mount point with another partiton as to the regular C. Now, when the new 'C' is mounted from Nautilus, it crashes again, because the desktop would have two 'C' labels. When the files were created for volumes, it's normal to add the '(2)' to the fil names, and so to the labels on the desktop. This seems to have been overlooked on the new desktop code. If you have no idea what I'm trying to explain here, say so and I'll try to be more descriptive. Petri From alexl@redhat.com Fri May 23 08:40:50 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1909D18709 for ; Fri, 23 May 2003 08:40:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h4NCei519856; Fri, 23 May 2003 08:40:46 -0400 Subject: Re: Bug with volume handling in 2.3.2 From: Alexander Larsson To: Petri Kanerva Cc: Nautilus In-Reply-To: <1053616789.243.13.camel@darkstar.example.net> References: <1053616789.243.13.camel@darkstar.example.net> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1053693643.30145.546.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.91.99 (Preview Release) Date: 23 May 2003 14:40:43 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, 2003-05-23 at 07:24, Petri Kanerva wrote: > Hi! > > After five minutes of using the newest Nautilus, a bug was discowered > from the new desktop code. > > If we have two volumes with the same name, Nautilus crashes, taking up > the whole processor. Like, mount 2 cd-roms with exactly same names. > Before when this happened, the second would have a 'Name (2)' label. > > This was also tested by making a temporary mount point to /mnt/test/C. > As the regular mount point for the win-partition is /mnt/C. > Then made appropriate line to fstab for the new mount point with another > partiton as to the regular C. Now, when the new 'C' is mounted from > Nautilus, it crashes again, because the desktop would have two 'C' > labels. When the files were created for volumes, it's normal to add the > '(2)' to the fil names, and so to the labels on the desktop. This should be fixes in CVS now. Could you test it? =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a Nobel prize-winning hunchbacked gentleman spy plagued by the memory of his family's brutal murder. She's an artistic nymphomaniac politician who can talk to animals. They fight crime! From chris@gnome-de.org Sat May 24 20:03:23 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.bytecamp.net (mail.bytecamp.net [212.204.60.9]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 800A3187C4 for ; Sat, 24 May 2003 20:03:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 1589 invoked by uid 88); 25 May 2003 00:03:18 -0000 Received: from pd9e97173.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO ?192.168.123.111?) (217.233.113.115) by mail.bytecamp.net with SMTP; 25 May 2003 00:03:18 -0000 Subject: [PATCH] Proposed Nautilus patch From: Christian Neumair To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-kZHJPGyPZXsYqM8qgPBC" Message-Id: <1053820839.19501.2.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (Preview Release) Date: 25 May 2003 02:01:43 +0200 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-kZHJPGyPZXsYqM8qgPBC Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi there! The attached patch HIGifies some glade dialogs (at least when it comes to spacing) and fixes two tiny typos. It should apply cleanly against HEAD. Please have a look at it and tell me whether it's ok to commit it. regs, Chris --=-kZHJPGyPZXsYqM8qgPBC Content-Description: Content-Type: application/octet-stream Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=nautilus.varfixes.diff Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ? src/nautilus-bookmarks-window.gladep ? src/nautilus-file-management-properties.gladep ? src/nautilus-server-connect.gladep Index: src//nautilus-bookmarks-window.glade =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/nautilus-bookmarks-window.glade,v retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -r1.2 nautilus-bookmarks-window.glade --- src//nautilus-bookmarks-window.glade 23 Apr 2003 14:09:32 -0000 1.2 +++ src//nautilus-bookmarks-window.glade 24 May 2003 23:58:32 -0000 @@ -2,8 +2,10 @@ + + 5 Edit Bookmarks GTK_WINDOW_TOPLEVEL GTK_WIN_POS_CENTER @@ -16,7 +18,7 @@ True False - 0 + 2 @@ -81,10 +83,10 @@ - 2 + 5 True True - 6 + 18 @@ -96,15 +98,14 @@ - 2 True False - 2 + 6 True - _Bookmarks + <b>_Bookmarks</b> True True GTK_JUSTIFY_LEFT @@ -124,27 +125,61 @@ - + True - True - GTK_POLICY_NEVER - GTK_POLICY_AUTOMATIC - GTK_SHADOW_IN - GTK_CORNER_TOP_LEFT + False + 0 - + + True + + False + False + GTK_JUSTIFY_LEFT + False + False + 0.5 + 0.5 + 0 + 0 + + + 0 + False + False + + + + + True True - False - False - True - True + GTK_POLICY_NEVER + GTK_POLICY_AUTOMATIC + GTK_SHADOW_IN + GTK_CORNER_TOP_LEFT + + + + True + True + False + False + True + True + + + + 0 + True + True + - 2 + 0 True True @@ -169,78 +204,171 @@ - 2 True False - 6 + 18 - - True - _Name: - True - True - GTK_JUSTIFY_LEFT - False - False - 0 - 0.5 - 0 - 0 - - - 0 - False - False - - - - - + True False - 0 + 6 - + + True + <b>_Name</b> + True + True + GTK_JUSTIFY_LEFT + False + False + 0 + 0.5 + 0 + 0 + + + 0 + False + False + - - - 0 - False - True - - - - - True - _Location: - True - True - GTK_JUSTIFY_LEFT - False - False - 0 - 0.5 - 2 - 2 + + + True + False + 0 + + + + True + + False + False + GTK_JUSTIFY_LEFT + False + False + 0.5 + 0.5 + 0 + 0 + + + 0 + False + False + + + + + + True + False + 0 + + + + + + + 0 + True + True + + + + + 0 + True + True + + 0 False - False + True - + True False - 0 + 6 - + + True + <b>_Location</b> + True + True + GTK_JUSTIFY_LEFT + False + False + 0 + 0.5 + 2 + 2 + + + 0 + False + False + + + + + + True + False + 0 + + + + True + + False + False + GTK_JUSTIFY_LEFT + False + False + 0.5 + 0.5 + 0 + 0 + + + 0 + False + False + + + + + + True + False + 0 + + + + + + + 0 + True + True + + + + + 0 + True + True + @@ -248,14 +376,6 @@ False True - - - - - - - - Index: src//nautilus-file-management-properties.glade =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/nautilus-file-management-properties.glade,v retrieving revision 1.5 diff -u -r1.5 nautilus-file-management-properties.glade --- src//nautilus-file-management-properties.glade 6 Mar 2003 21:03:09 -0000 1.5 +++ src//nautilus-file-management-properties.glade 24 May 2003 23:58:32 -0000 @@ -2,8 +2,10 @@ + + 5 True File Management Preferences GTK_WINDOW_TOPLEVEL @@ -17,7 +19,7 @@ True False - 0 + 2 @@ -65,8 +67,6 @@ True GTK_POS_TOP False - 2 - 2 False Index: src//nautilus-property-browser.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/nautilus-property-browser.c,v retrieving revision 1.197 diff -u -r1.197 nautilus-property-browser.c --- src//nautilus-property-browser.c 23 Apr 2003 09:49:52 -0000 1.197 +++ src//nautilus-property-browser.c 24 May 2003 23:58:34 -0000 @@ -2034,7 +2034,7 @@ /* update the title and button */ if (property_browser->details->category == NULL) { - gtk_label_set_text (GTK_LABEL (property_browser->details->title_label), _("Select A Category:")); + gtk_label_set_text (GTK_LABEL (property_browser->details->title_label), _("Select a Category:")); gtk_widget_hide(property_browser->details->add_button); gtk_widget_hide(property_browser->details->remove_button); Index: src//nautilus-server-connect.glade =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/nautilus-server-connect.glade,v retrieving revision 1.1 diff -u -r1.1 nautilus-server-connect.glade --- src//nautilus-server-connect.glade 31 Oct 2002 19:02:41 -0000 1.1 +++ src//nautilus-server-connect.glade 24 May 2003 23:58:34 -0000 @@ -2,21 +2,23 @@ + + 5 New Server GTK_WINDOW_TOPLEVEL GTK_WIN_POS_CENTER False False False - True + False True False - 0 + 2 @@ -40,8 +42,8 @@ True True True - gtk-ok - True + _Connect + True GTK_RELIEF_NORMAL -5 @@ -57,10 +59,10 @@ - 4 + 5 True False - 0 + 6 Index: src//file-manager/fm-properties-window.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/file-manager/fm-properties-window.c,v retrieving revision 1.171 diff -u -r1.171 fm-properties-window.c --- src//file-manager/fm-properties-window.c 15 May 2003 17:19:27 -0000 1.171 +++ src//file-manager/fm-properties-window.c 24 May 2003 23:58:35 -0000 @@ -271,66 +271,66 @@ GdkPixbuf *pixbuf; char *image_path; - image_path = gnome_vfs_get_local_path_from_uri (uri); - if (image_path == NULL) { - return FALSE; - } +image_path = gnome_vfs_get_local_path_from_uri (uri); +if (image_path == NULL) { + return FALSE; +} - pixbuf = gdk_pixbuf_new_from_file (image_path, NULL); - g_free (image_path); - - if (pixbuf == NULL) { - return FALSE; - } - g_object_unref (pixbuf); - return TRUE; +pixbuf = gdk_pixbuf_new_from_file (image_path, NULL); +g_free (image_path); + +if (pixbuf == NULL) { + return FALSE; +} +g_object_unref (pixbuf); +return TRUE; } static void reset_icon (FMPropertiesWindow *properties_window) { - NautilusFile *file; - - file = properties_window->details->original_file; - - nautilus_file_set_metadata (file, NAUTILUS_METADATA_KEY_CUSTOM_ICON, NULL, NULL); - nautilus_file_set_metadata (file, NAUTILUS_METADATA_KEY_ICON_SCALE, NULL, NULL); - - gtk_widget_set_sensitive (properties_window->details->remove_image_button, FALSE); +NautilusFile *file; + +file = properties_window->details->original_file; + +nautilus_file_set_metadata (file, NAUTILUS_METADATA_KEY_CUSTOM_ICON, NULL, NULL); +nautilus_file_set_metadata (file, NAUTILUS_METADATA_KEY_ICON_SCALE, NULL, NULL); + +gtk_widget_set_sensitive (properties_window->details->remove_image_button, FALSE); } static void fm_properties_window_drag_data_received (GtkWidget *widget, GdkDragContext *context, - int x, int y, - GtkSelectionData *selection_data, - guint info, guint time) -{ - char **uris; - gboolean exactly_one; - GtkImage *image; - GtkWindow *window; + int x, int y, + GtkSelectionData *selection_data, + guint info, guint time) +{ +char **uris; +gboolean exactly_one; +GtkImage *image; +GtkWindow *window; - image = GTK_IMAGE (widget); - window = GTK_WINDOW (gtk_widget_get_toplevel (GTK_WIDGET (image))); +image = GTK_IMAGE (widget); +window = GTK_WINDOW (gtk_widget_get_toplevel (GTK_WIDGET (image))); - if (info == TARGET_RESET_BACKGROUND) { - reset_icon (FM_PROPERTIES_WINDOW (window)); - - return; - } +if (info == TARGET_RESET_BACKGROUND) { + reset_icon (FM_PROPERTIES_WINDOW (window)); - uris = g_strsplit (selection_data->data, "\r\n", 0); - exactly_one = uris[0] != NULL && (uris[1] == NULL || uris[1][0] == '\0'); + return; +} + +uris = g_strsplit (selection_data->data, "\r\n", 0); +exactly_one = uris[0] != NULL && (uris[1] == NULL || uris[1][0] == '\0'); - if (!exactly_one) { - eel_show_error_dialog - (_("You can't assign more than one custom icon at a time! " - "Please drag just one image to set a custom icon."), - _("More Than One Image"), - window); - } else { - if (uri_is_local_image (uris[0])) { +if (!exactly_one) { + eel_show_error_dialog + (_("You can't assign more than one custom icon at a time! " + "Please drag just one image to set a custom icon."), + _("More Than One Image"), + window); +} else { + if (uri_is_local_image (uris[0])) { set_icon_callback (gnome_vfs_get_local_path_from_uri (uris[0]), FM_PROPERTIES_WINDOW (window)); } else { @@ -2388,6 +2388,7 @@ GtkWidget *vbox; GtkWidget *hbox; GtkWidget *button; + gchar *image_path; window = FM_PROPERTIES_WINDOW (gtk_widget_new (fm_properties_window_get_type (), NULL)); @@ -2402,6 +2403,11 @@ /* Set initial window title */ update_properties_window_title (GTK_WINDOW (window), window->details->target_file); + + image_path = gnome_vfs_mime_get_icon ("gnome-fs-directory"); + gtk_window_set_default_icon_from_file (image_path, NULL); + g_free (image_path); + /* Start monitoring the file attributes we display. Note that some * of the attributes are for the original file, and some for the * target file. @@ -2711,7 +2717,7 @@ g_assert (FM_IS_PROPERTIES_WINDOW (properties_window)); - dialog = eel_gnome_icon_selector_new (_("Select an icon:"), + dialog = eel_gnome_icon_selector_new (_("Select an icon"), NULL, GTK_WINDOW (properties_window), (EelIconSelectionFunction) set_icon_callback, --=-kZHJPGyPZXsYqM8qgPBC-- From chris@gnome-de.org Sat May 24 20:03:26 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.bytecamp.net (mail.bytecamp.net [212.204.60.9]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9DD6187C4 for ; Sat, 24 May 2003 20:03:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 1630 invoked by uid 88); 25 May 2003 00:03:22 -0000 Received: from pd9e97173.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO ?192.168.123.111?) (217.233.113.115) by mail.bytecamp.net with SMTP; 25 May 2003 00:03:22 -0000 Subject: [PATCH] Proposed Nautilus patch From: Christian Neumair To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-w3VrvF0e9J0dgfCmzrxf" Message-Id: <1053820903.19506.5.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (Preview Release) Date: 25 May 2003 02:01:47 +0200 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-w3VrvF0e9J0dgfCmzrxf Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi there! The attached patch HIGifies some glade dialogs (at least when it comes to spacing) and fixes two tiny typos. It should apply cleanly against HEAD. Please have a look at it and tell me whether it's ok to commit it. regs, Chris --=-w3VrvF0e9J0dgfCmzrxf Content-Description: Content-Type: application/octet-stream Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=nautilus.varfixes.diff Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ? src/nautilus-bookmarks-window.gladep ? src/nautilus-file-management-properties.gladep ? src/nautilus-server-connect.gladep Index: src//nautilus-bookmarks-window.glade =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/nautilus-bookmarks-window.glade,v retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -r1.2 nautilus-bookmarks-window.glade --- src//nautilus-bookmarks-window.glade 23 Apr 2003 14:09:32 -0000 1.2 +++ src//nautilus-bookmarks-window.glade 24 May 2003 23:58:32 -0000 @@ -2,8 +2,10 @@ + + 5 Edit Bookmarks GTK_WINDOW_TOPLEVEL GTK_WIN_POS_CENTER @@ -16,7 +18,7 @@ True False - 0 + 2 @@ -81,10 +83,10 @@ - 2 + 5 True True - 6 + 18 @@ -96,15 +98,14 @@ - 2 True False - 2 + 6 True - _Bookmarks + <b>_Bookmarks</b> True True GTK_JUSTIFY_LEFT @@ -124,27 +125,61 @@ - + True - True - GTK_POLICY_NEVER - GTK_POLICY_AUTOMATIC - GTK_SHADOW_IN - GTK_CORNER_TOP_LEFT + False + 0 - + + True + + False + False + GTK_JUSTIFY_LEFT + False + False + 0.5 + 0.5 + 0 + 0 + + + 0 + False + False + + + + + True True - False - False - True - True + GTK_POLICY_NEVER + GTK_POLICY_AUTOMATIC + GTK_SHADOW_IN + GTK_CORNER_TOP_LEFT + + + + True + True + False + False + True + True + + + + 0 + True + True + - 2 + 0 True True @@ -169,78 +204,171 @@ - 2 True False - 6 + 18 - - True - _Name: - True - True - GTK_JUSTIFY_LEFT - False - False - 0 - 0.5 - 0 - 0 - - - 0 - False - False - - - - - + True False - 0 + 6 - + + True + <b>_Name</b> + True + True + GTK_JUSTIFY_LEFT + False + False + 0 + 0.5 + 0 + 0 + + + 0 + False + False + - - - 0 - False - True - - - - - True - _Location: - True - True - GTK_JUSTIFY_LEFT - False - False - 0 - 0.5 - 2 - 2 + + + True + False + 0 + + + + True + + False + False + GTK_JUSTIFY_LEFT + False + False + 0.5 + 0.5 + 0 + 0 + + + 0 + False + False + + + + + + True + False + 0 + + + + + + + 0 + True + True + + + + + 0 + True + True + + 0 False - False + True - + True False - 0 + 6 - + + True + <b>_Location</b> + True + True + GTK_JUSTIFY_LEFT + False + False + 0 + 0.5 + 2 + 2 + + + 0 + False + False + + + + + + True + False + 0 + + + + True + + False + False + GTK_JUSTIFY_LEFT + False + False + 0.5 + 0.5 + 0 + 0 + + + 0 + False + False + + + + + + True + False + 0 + + + + + + + 0 + True + True + + + + + 0 + True + True + @@ -248,14 +376,6 @@ False True - - - - - - - - Index: src//nautilus-file-management-properties.glade =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/nautilus-file-management-properties.glade,v retrieving revision 1.5 diff -u -r1.5 nautilus-file-management-properties.glade --- src//nautilus-file-management-properties.glade 6 Mar 2003 21:03:09 -0000 1.5 +++ src//nautilus-file-management-properties.glade 24 May 2003 23:58:32 -0000 @@ -2,8 +2,10 @@ + + 5 True File Management Preferences GTK_WINDOW_TOPLEVEL @@ -17,7 +19,7 @@ True False - 0 + 2 @@ -65,8 +67,6 @@ True GTK_POS_TOP False - 2 - 2 False Index: src//nautilus-property-browser.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/nautilus-property-browser.c,v retrieving revision 1.197 diff -u -r1.197 nautilus-property-browser.c --- src//nautilus-property-browser.c 23 Apr 2003 09:49:52 -0000 1.197 +++ src//nautilus-property-browser.c 24 May 2003 23:58:34 -0000 @@ -2034,7 +2034,7 @@ /* update the title and button */ if (property_browser->details->category == NULL) { - gtk_label_set_text (GTK_LABEL (property_browser->details->title_label), _("Select A Category:")); + gtk_label_set_text (GTK_LABEL (property_browser->details->title_label), _("Select a Category:")); gtk_widget_hide(property_browser->details->add_button); gtk_widget_hide(property_browser->details->remove_button); Index: src//nautilus-server-connect.glade =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/nautilus-server-connect.glade,v retrieving revision 1.1 diff -u -r1.1 nautilus-server-connect.glade --- src//nautilus-server-connect.glade 31 Oct 2002 19:02:41 -0000 1.1 +++ src//nautilus-server-connect.glade 24 May 2003 23:58:34 -0000 @@ -2,21 +2,23 @@ + + 5 New Server GTK_WINDOW_TOPLEVEL GTK_WIN_POS_CENTER False False False - True + False True False - 0 + 2 @@ -40,8 +42,8 @@ True True True - gtk-ok - True + _Connect + True GTK_RELIEF_NORMAL -5 @@ -57,10 +59,10 @@ - 4 + 5 True False - 0 + 6 Index: src//file-manager/fm-properties-window.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/file-manager/fm-properties-window.c,v retrieving revision 1.171 diff -u -r1.171 fm-properties-window.c --- src//file-manager/fm-properties-window.c 15 May 2003 17:19:27 -0000 1.171 +++ src//file-manager/fm-properties-window.c 24 May 2003 23:58:35 -0000 @@ -271,66 +271,66 @@ GdkPixbuf *pixbuf; char *image_path; - image_path = gnome_vfs_get_local_path_from_uri (uri); - if (image_path == NULL) { - return FALSE; - } +image_path = gnome_vfs_get_local_path_from_uri (uri); +if (image_path == NULL) { + return FALSE; +} - pixbuf = gdk_pixbuf_new_from_file (image_path, NULL); - g_free (image_path); - - if (pixbuf == NULL) { - return FALSE; - } - g_object_unref (pixbuf); - return TRUE; +pixbuf = gdk_pixbuf_new_from_file (image_path, NULL); +g_free (image_path); + +if (pixbuf == NULL) { + return FALSE; +} +g_object_unref (pixbuf); +return TRUE; } static void reset_icon (FMPropertiesWindow *properties_window) { - NautilusFile *file; - - file = properties_window->details->original_file; - - nautilus_file_set_metadata (file, NAUTILUS_METADATA_KEY_CUSTOM_ICON, NULL, NULL); - nautilus_file_set_metadata (file, NAUTILUS_METADATA_KEY_ICON_SCALE, NULL, NULL); - - gtk_widget_set_sensitive (properties_window->details->remove_image_button, FALSE); +NautilusFile *file; + +file = properties_window->details->original_file; + +nautilus_file_set_metadata (file, NAUTILUS_METADATA_KEY_CUSTOM_ICON, NULL, NULL); +nautilus_file_set_metadata (file, NAUTILUS_METADATA_KEY_ICON_SCALE, NULL, NULL); + +gtk_widget_set_sensitive (properties_window->details->remove_image_button, FALSE); } static void fm_properties_window_drag_data_received (GtkWidget *widget, GdkDragContext *context, - int x, int y, - GtkSelectionData *selection_data, - guint info, guint time) -{ - char **uris; - gboolean exactly_one; - GtkImage *image; - GtkWindow *window; + int x, int y, + GtkSelectionData *selection_data, + guint info, guint time) +{ +char **uris; +gboolean exactly_one; +GtkImage *image; +GtkWindow *window; - image = GTK_IMAGE (widget); - window = GTK_WINDOW (gtk_widget_get_toplevel (GTK_WIDGET (image))); +image = GTK_IMAGE (widget); +window = GTK_WINDOW (gtk_widget_get_toplevel (GTK_WIDGET (image))); - if (info == TARGET_RESET_BACKGROUND) { - reset_icon (FM_PROPERTIES_WINDOW (window)); - - return; - } +if (info == TARGET_RESET_BACKGROUND) { + reset_icon (FM_PROPERTIES_WINDOW (window)); - uris = g_strsplit (selection_data->data, "\r\n", 0); - exactly_one = uris[0] != NULL && (uris[1] == NULL || uris[1][0] == '\0'); + return; +} + +uris = g_strsplit (selection_data->data, "\r\n", 0); +exactly_one = uris[0] != NULL && (uris[1] == NULL || uris[1][0] == '\0'); - if (!exactly_one) { - eel_show_error_dialog - (_("You can't assign more than one custom icon at a time! " - "Please drag just one image to set a custom icon."), - _("More Than One Image"), - window); - } else { - if (uri_is_local_image (uris[0])) { +if (!exactly_one) { + eel_show_error_dialog + (_("You can't assign more than one custom icon at a time! " + "Please drag just one image to set a custom icon."), + _("More Than One Image"), + window); +} else { + if (uri_is_local_image (uris[0])) { set_icon_callback (gnome_vfs_get_local_path_from_uri (uris[0]), FM_PROPERTIES_WINDOW (window)); } else { @@ -2388,6 +2388,7 @@ GtkWidget *vbox; GtkWidget *hbox; GtkWidget *button; + gchar *image_path; window = FM_PROPERTIES_WINDOW (gtk_widget_new (fm_properties_window_get_type (), NULL)); @@ -2402,6 +2403,11 @@ /* Set initial window title */ update_properties_window_title (GTK_WINDOW (window), window->details->target_file); + + image_path = gnome_vfs_mime_get_icon ("gnome-fs-directory"); + gtk_window_set_default_icon_from_file (image_path, NULL); + g_free (image_path); + /* Start monitoring the file attributes we display. Note that some * of the attributes are for the original file, and some for the * target file. @@ -2711,7 +2717,7 @@ g_assert (FM_IS_PROPERTIES_WINDOW (properties_window)); - dialog = eel_gnome_icon_selector_new (_("Select an icon:"), + dialog = eel_gnome_icon_selector_new (_("Select an icon"), NULL, GTK_WINDOW (properties_window), (EelIconSelectionFunction) set_icon_callback, --=-w3VrvF0e9J0dgfCmzrxf-- From chris@gnome-de.org Sat May 24 20:09:25 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.bytecamp.net (mail.bytecamp.net [212.204.60.9]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 665B91837F for ; Sat, 24 May 2003 20:09:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 5425 invoked by uid 88); 25 May 2003 00:09:22 -0000 Received: from pd9e97173.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO ?192.168.123.111?) (217.233.113.115) by mail.bytecamp.net with SMTP; 25 May 2003 00:09:22 -0000 Subject: [PATCH] Proposed Nautilus patch - attempt #2 From: Christian Neumair To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-pQDfx601sUM2FMHbHHEK" Message-Id: <1053821266.19612.2.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (Preview Release) Date: 25 May 2003 02:07:46 +0200 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-pQDfx601sUM2FMHbHHEK Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi there! Sorry, I sent the last patch twice PLUS it was erroneous as it contained dozens of weird useless changes. The attached patch HIGifies some glade dialogs (at least when it comes to spacing) and fixes two tiny typos. It should apply cleanly against HEAD. Please have a look at it and tell me whether it's ok to commit it. regs, Chris --=-pQDfx601sUM2FMHbHHEK Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=nautilus.varfixes.resent.diff Content-Type: text/plain; name=nautilus.varfixes.resent.diff; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ? src/nautilus-bookmarks-window.gladep ? src/nautilus-file-management-properties.gladep ? src/nautilus-server-connect.gladep Index: src//nautilus-bookmarks-window.glade =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/nautilus-bookmarks-window.glade,v retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -r1.2 nautilus-bookmarks-window.glade --- src//nautilus-bookmarks-window.glade 23 Apr 2003 14:09:32 -0000 1.2 +++ src//nautilus-bookmarks-window.glade 25 May 2003 00:06:51 -0000 @@ -2,8 +2,10 @@ + + 5 Edit Bookmarks GTK_WINDOW_TOPLEVEL GTK_WIN_POS_CENTER @@ -16,7 +18,7 @@ True False - 0 + 2 @@ -81,10 +83,10 @@ - 2 + 5 True True - 6 + 18 @@ -96,15 +98,14 @@ - 2 True False - 2 + 6 True - _Bookmarks + <b>_Bookmarks</b> True True GTK_JUSTIFY_LEFT @@ -124,27 +125,61 @@ - + True - True - GTK_POLICY_NEVER - GTK_POLICY_AUTOMATIC - GTK_SHADOW_IN - GTK_CORNER_TOP_LEFT + False + 0 - + + True + + False + False + GTK_JUSTIFY_LEFT + False + False + 0.5 + 0.5 + 0 + 0 + + + 0 + False + False + + + + + True True - False - False - True - True + GTK_POLICY_NEVER + GTK_POLICY_AUTOMATIC + GTK_SHADOW_IN + GTK_CORNER_TOP_LEFT + + + + True + True + False + False + True + True + + + + 0 + True + True + - 2 + 0 True True @@ -169,78 +204,171 @@ - 2 True False - 6 + 18 - - True - _Name: - True - True - GTK_JUSTIFY_LEFT - False - False - 0 - 0.5 - 0 - 0 - - - 0 - False - False - - - - - + True False - 0 + 6 - + + True + <b>_Name</b> + True + True + GTK_JUSTIFY_LEFT + False + False + 0 + 0.5 + 0 + 0 + + + 0 + False + False + - - - 0 - False - True - - - - - True - _Location: - True - True - GTK_JUSTIFY_LEFT - False - False - 0 - 0.5 - 2 - 2 + + + True + False + 0 + + + + True + + False + False + GTK_JUSTIFY_LEFT + False + False + 0.5 + 0.5 + 0 + 0 + + + 0 + False + False + + + + + + True + False + 0 + + + + + + + 0 + True + True + + + + + 0 + True + True + + 0 False - False + True - + True False - 0 + 6 - + + True + <b>_Location</b> + True + True + GTK_JUSTIFY_LEFT + False + False + 0 + 0.5 + 2 + 2 + + + 0 + False + False + + + + + + True + False + 0 + + + + True + + False + False + GTK_JUSTIFY_LEFT + False + False + 0.5 + 0.5 + 0 + 0 + + + 0 + False + False + + + + + + True + False + 0 + + + + + + + 0 + True + True + + + + + 0 + True + True + @@ -248,14 +376,6 @@ False True - - - - - - - - Index: src//nautilus-file-management-properties.glade =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/nautilus-file-management-properties.glade,v retrieving revision 1.5 diff -u -r1.5 nautilus-file-management-properties.glade --- src//nautilus-file-management-properties.glade 6 Mar 2003 21:03:09 -0000 1.5 +++ src//nautilus-file-management-properties.glade 25 May 2003 00:06:52 -0000 @@ -2,8 +2,10 @@ + + 5 True File Management Preferences GTK_WINDOW_TOPLEVEL @@ -17,7 +19,7 @@ True False - 0 + 2 @@ -65,8 +67,6 @@ True GTK_POS_TOP False - 2 - 2 False Index: src//nautilus-property-browser.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/nautilus-property-browser.c,v retrieving revision 1.197 diff -u -r1.197 nautilus-property-browser.c --- src//nautilus-property-browser.c 23 Apr 2003 09:49:52 -0000 1.197 +++ src//nautilus-property-browser.c 25 May 2003 00:06:54 -0000 @@ -2034,7 +2034,7 @@ /* update the title and button */ if (property_browser->details->category == NULL) { - gtk_label_set_text (GTK_LABEL (property_browser->details->title_label), _("Select A Category:")); + gtk_label_set_text (GTK_LABEL (property_browser->details->title_label), _("Select a Category:")); gtk_widget_hide(property_browser->details->add_button); gtk_widget_hide(property_browser->details->remove_button); Index: src//nautilus-server-connect.glade =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/nautilus-server-connect.glade,v retrieving revision 1.1 diff -u -r1.1 nautilus-server-connect.glade --- src//nautilus-server-connect.glade 31 Oct 2002 19:02:41 -0000 1.1 +++ src//nautilus-server-connect.glade 25 May 2003 00:06:54 -0000 @@ -2,21 +2,23 @@ + + 5 New Server GTK_WINDOW_TOPLEVEL GTK_WIN_POS_CENTER False False False - True + False True False - 0 + 2 @@ -40,8 +42,8 @@ True True True - gtk-ok - True + _Connect + True GTK_RELIEF_NORMAL -5 @@ -57,10 +59,10 @@ - 4 + 5 True False - 0 + 6 Index: src//file-manager/fm-properties-window.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/file-manager/fm-properties-window.c,v retrieving revision 1.171 diff -u -r1.171 fm-properties-window.c --- src//file-manager/fm-properties-window.c 15 May 2003 17:19:27 -0000 1.171 +++ src//file-manager/fm-properties-window.c 25 May 2003 00:06:55 -0000 @@ -2711,7 +2711,7 @@ g_assert (FM_IS_PROPERTIES_WINDOW (properties_window)); - dialog = eel_gnome_icon_selector_new (_("Select an icon:"), + dialog = eel_gnome_icon_selector_new (_("Select an icon"), NULL, GTK_WINDOW (properties_window), (EelIconSelectionFunction) set_icon_callback, --=-pQDfx601sUM2FMHbHHEK-- From ettore@ximian.com Sat May 24 20:18:11 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from milkplus (h-66-167-173-127.CMBRMAOR.covad.net [66.167.173.127]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC64A1837F; Sat, 24 May 2003 20:18:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by milkplus (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3ADB218402F; Sat, 24 May 2003 20:18:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Ettore Perazzoli To: Dave Camp Cc: Alan Cox , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" , nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1053110069.7841.362.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> References: <200305161521.h4GFLTb07444@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1053098752.7841.159.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> <1053110069.7841.362.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1053821887.983.109.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.91 (Preview Release) Date: 24 May 2003 20:18:07 -0400 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 14:34, Dave Camp wrote: > I just checked in a patch to show a desktop emblem on the desktop > folder. You need the latest gnome-icon-theme and nautilus. (Sorry to chime in late but) shouldn't it just use the desktop icon instead of an emblem? -- Ettore From dave@ximian.com Sat May 24 20:35:55 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [141.154.95.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FD3F187DF for ; Sat, 24 May 2003 20:35:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 17320 invoked from network); 25 May 2003 00:35:54 -0000 Received: from dmz.ximian.com (HELO squee.boston.ximian.com) (141.154.95.1) by peabody.ximian.com with RC4-MD5 encrypted SMTP; 25 May 2003 00:35:54 -0000 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Dave Camp To: Ettore Perazzoli Cc: Alan Cox , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" , nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1053821887.983.109.camel@localhost> References: <200305161521.h4GFLTb07444@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1053098752.7841.159.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> <1053110069.7841.362.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> <1053821887.983.109.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Ximian, Inc. Message-Id: <1053822928.5613.13.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 24 May 2003 20:35:28 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Maybe. I like the emblem better, because it seems to be adding information to the folder icon ("this is the folder that is in the desktop"). The desktop icon doesn't really seem to make it clear that it's a folder. -dave On Sat, 2003-05-24 at 20:18, Ettore Perazzoli wrote: > On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 14:34, Dave Camp wrote: > > I just checked in a patch to show a desktop emblem on the desktop > > folder. You need the latest gnome-icon-theme and nautilus. > > (Sorry to chime in late but) shouldn't it just use the desktop icon > instead of an emblem? > > -- Ettore From ettore@ximian.com Sat May 24 20:50:55 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from milkplus (h-66-167-173-127.CMBRMAOR.covad.net [66.167.173.127]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FCAE185B3; Sat, 24 May 2003 20:50:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by milkplus (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4177018402F; Sat, 24 May 2003 20:50:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Ettore Perazzoli To: Dave Camp Cc: Alan Cox , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" , nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1053822928.5613.13.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> References: <200305161521.h4GFLTb07444@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1053098752.7841.159.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> <1053110069.7841.362.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> <1053821887.983.109.camel@localhost> <1053822928.5613.13.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1053823853.983.120.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.91 (Preview Release) Date: 24 May 2003 20:50:53 -0400 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I see your point; however, if the problem is that users might get confused that it's a folder and not the desktop, it might be clearer to just use a different icon. OS X, Windows and KDE also use a special icon and it seems to work well for users over there. BTW, is the emblem appearing in the emblem manipulation GUI? That could be confusing... On Sat, 2003-05-24 at 20:35, Dave Camp wrote: > Maybe. I like the emblem better, because it seems to be adding > information to the folder icon ("this is the folder that is in the > desktop"). The desktop icon doesn't really seem to make it clear that > it's a folder. > > -dave > > On Sat, 2003-05-24 at 20:18, Ettore Perazzoli wrote: > > On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 14:34, Dave Camp wrote: > > > I just checked in a patch to show a desktop emblem on the desktop > > > folder. You need the latest gnome-icon-theme and nautilus. > > > > (Sorry to chime in late but) shouldn't it just use the desktop icon > > instead of an emblem? > > > > -- Ettore > From dave@ximian.com Sat May 24 20:52:55 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [141.154.95.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A694187DF for ; Sat, 24 May 2003 20:52:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18217 invoked from network); 25 May 2003 00:52:54 -0000 Received: from dmz.ximian.com (HELO squee.boston.ximian.com) (141.154.95.1) by peabody.ximian.com with RC4-MD5 encrypted SMTP; 25 May 2003 00:52:54 -0000 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Dave Camp To: Ettore Perazzoli Cc: "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" , nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1053823853.983.120.camel@localhost> References: <200305161521.h4GFLTb07444@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1053098752.7841.159.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> <1053110069.7841.362.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> <1053821887.983.109.camel@localhost> <1053822928.5613.13.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> <1053823853.983.120.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Ximian, Inc. Message-Id: <1053823948.26203.16.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 24 May 2003 20:52:28 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sat, 2003-05-24 at 20:50, Ettore Perazzoli wrote: > I see your point; however, if the problem is that users might get > confused that it's a folder and not the desktop, it might be clearer to > just use a different icon. OS X, Windows and KDE also use a special > icon and it seems to work well for users over there. That might be true. > BTW, is the emblem appearing in the emblem manipulation GUI? That could > be confusing... No, it's filtered out. -dave > > On Sat, 2003-05-24 at 20:35, Dave Camp wrote: > > Maybe. I like the emblem better, because it seems to be adding > > information to the folder icon ("this is the folder that is in the > > desktop"). The desktop icon doesn't really seem to make it clear that > > it's a folder. > > > > -dave > > > > On Sat, 2003-05-24 at 20:18, Ettore Perazzoli wrote: > > > On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 14:34, Dave Camp wrote: > > > > I just checked in a patch to show a desktop emblem on the desktop > > > > folder. You need the latest gnome-icon-theme and nautilus. > > > > > > (Sorry to chime in late but) shouldn't it just use the desktop icon > > > instead of an emblem? > > > > > > -- Ettore > > > From ettore@ximian.com Sat May 24 21:11:34 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from milkplus (h-66-167-173-127.CMBRMAOR.covad.net [66.167.173.127]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50F3E18282; Sat, 24 May 2003 21:11:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by milkplus (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 02E4F18402F; Sat, 24 May 2003 21:11:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Ettore Perazzoli To: Dave Camp Cc: Alan Cox , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" , nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1053822928.5613.13.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> References: <200305161521.h4GFLTb07444@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1053098752.7841.159.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> <1053110069.7841.362.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> <1053821887.983.109.camel@localhost> <1053822928.5613.13.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1053825092.983.138.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.91 (Preview Release) Date: 24 May 2003 21:11:32 -0400 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I also forgot to mention: icon + emblem might not look obvious at all when using small icons, e.g. in the (new) file selector, or in the list view. On Sat, 2003-05-24 at 20:35, Dave Camp wrote: > Maybe. I like the emblem better, because it seems to be adding > information to the folder icon ("this is the folder that is in the > desktop"). The desktop icon doesn't really seem to make it clear that > it's a folder. > > -dave > > On Sat, 2003-05-24 at 20:18, Ettore Perazzoli wrote: > > On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 14:34, Dave Camp wrote: > > > I just checked in a patch to show a desktop emblem on the desktop > > > folder. You need the latest gnome-icon-theme and nautilus. > > > > (Sorry to chime in late but) shouldn't it just use the desktop icon > > instead of an emblem? > > > > -- Ettore > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-hackers mailing list > gnome-hackers@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-hackers > From gavrilus@tiscalinet.it Sun May 25 06:10:08 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from alfa.fastwebnet.it (unknown [213.140.2.42]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CBA31882F for ; Sun, 25 May 2003 06:10:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [23.15.109.75] (23.15.109.75) by alfa.fastwebnet.it (6.7.016) id 3EAF5CEF003982FE for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Sun, 25 May 2003 12:10:07 +0200 Subject: Nautilus Wish From: Gavrila To: Nautilus List Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1053857406.492.3.camel@Kreuzberg> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (Preview Release) Date: 25 May 2003 12:10:07 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I have a wish. I wish I could access the same options in the contextual menu either if I browse with "view as Icons", or "view as list". For example, if I browse with the latter, I cannot create a new folder. I know there are tons of things to do, but if u developers have time that's my thought :) Best Regards -- Gavrila Linux Registered User Linux Registered Machine Powered by Debian[SiD] From gavrilus@tiscalinet.it Sun May 25 11:21:44 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from alfa.fastwebnet.it (unknown [213.140.2.42]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E5C318372 for ; Sun, 25 May 2003 11:21:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [23.15.109.75] (23.15.109.75) by alfa.fastwebnet.it (6.7.016) id 3EAF5CEF0039C6C5 for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Sun, 25 May 2003 17:21:43 +0200 Subject: Re: Nautilus Wish From: Gavrila To: Nautilus List In-Reply-To: <1053857406.492.3.camel@Kreuzberg> References: <1053857406.492.3.camel@Kreuzberg> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1053876104.3460.8.camel@Kreuzberg> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (Preview Release) Date: 25 May 2003 17:21:44 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Il dom, 2003-05-25 alle 12:10, Gavrila ha scritto: > I have a wish. I wish I could access the same options in the > contextual > menu either if I browse with "view as Icons", or "view as list". > For example, if I browse with the latter, I cannot create a new > folder. > I know there are tons of things to do, but if u developers have time > that's my thought :) I'd like to add in my wishlist, the possibility to look for files pressing a letter in the 'view as list' mode, as in 'view as icons' mode. I use gnome 2.2 if in 2.3 all these things are already solved I apologize and I ask you to ignore my last 2 mails :) TIA -- Gavrila Linux Registered User Linux Registered Machine Powered by Debian[SiD] From petri.kanerva@surfeu.fi Mon May 26 04:27:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from surfeu.fi (mailbox.surfeu.fi [213.173.154.4]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16F00181F8 for ; Mon, 26 May 2003 04:27:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DynIP-146-116.Hki5.surfeu.fi (account petri.kanerva [213.173.146.116] verified) by surfeu.fi (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.1) with ESMTP id 42069775 for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Mon, 26 May 2003 11:27:35 +0300 Subject: Re: Bug with volume handling in 2.3.2 From: Petri Kanerva To: Nautilus In-Reply-To: <1053693643.30145.546.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1053616789.243.13.camel@darkstar.example.net> <1053693643.30145.546.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1053937664.246.18.camel@darkstar.example.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.2 (Preview Release) Date: 26 May 2003 11:28:44 +0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, 2003-05-23 at 15:40, Alexander Larsson wrote: > This should be fixes in CVS now. Could you test it? Sorry, but no. My home machine is behind a modem, so the download would abe a pain. And the machine I use to get the released packages is a win-machine, and I'v had bad experiences with win cvs. So if someone would make a package of the cvs and put it somewhere for me to dl, or tell me about a working win cvs software. Petri From rosselli@ling.unipi.it Mon May 26 05:16:17 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from arno.humnet.unipi.it (arno.humnet.unipi.it [131.114.40.49]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18077185EC; Mon, 26 May 2003 05:16:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [81.211.183.63] (helo=ling.unipi.it) by arno.humnet.unipi.it with asmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19KE60-00065C-O5; Mon, 26 May 2003 11:16:45 +0200 Message-ID: <3ED1DB6D.8000904@ling.unipi.it> Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 11:16:29 +0200 From: Roberto Rosselli Del Turco User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4b) Gecko/20030313 X-Accept-Language: it, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: GNOME Usability List , GNOME Desktop Hackers , Nautilus Subject: PPP dialer (Re: Bug with volume handling in 2.3.2) References: <1053616789.243.13.camel@darkstar.example.net> <1053693643.30145.546.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1053937664.246.18.camel@darkstar.example.net> In-Reply-To: <1053937664.246.18.camel@darkstar.example.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Petri Kanerva wrote: > On Fri, 2003-05-23 at 15:40, Alexander Larsson wrote: > >>This should be fixes in CVS now. Could you test it? > > Sorry, but no. My home machine is behind a modem, so the download would > abe a pain. And the machine I use to get the released packages is a > win-machine, and I'v had bad experiences with win cvs. So if someone > would make a package of the cvs and put it somewhere for me to dl, or > tell me about a working win cvs software. BTW, is there some plan to add a decent PPP dialer to the GNOME Desktop applets/utilities? Many users are still limited by modem connections, and it's a shame that I can only suggest to use KPPP (I myself have broadband at the university but only a plain old telephone line at home, and the assorted utilites available under GNOME/GTK never worked for me or my friends). Worse, I guess that third world countries will follow the same route, i.e. PPP connections for a looong time before having the luxury of an ADSL line. I believe this point has been raised on Footnotes several times in the past. Hope it will be considered by the GNOME developers. [Sorry for the cross posting] Ciao -- Roberto Rosselli Del Turco e-mail: rosselli at cisi.unito.it Dipartimento di Scienze rosselli at ling.unipi.it del Linguaggio Then spoke the thunder DA Universita' di Torino Datta: what have we given? (TSE) Hige sceal the heardra, heorte the cenre, mod sceal the mare, the ure maegen litlath. (Maldon 312-3) From lindkvis@stud.ntnu.no Mon May 26 05:59:13 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from flaske.stud.ntnu.no (flaske.stud.ntnu.no [129.241.56.72]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8288B18534 for ; Mon, 26 May 2003 05:59:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by flaske.stud.ntnu.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EABDFFA2B; Mon, 26 May 2003 11:59:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jaguar.stud.ntnu.no (jaguar.stud.ntnu.no [129.241.56.181]) by flaske.stud.ntnu.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6BEDFFA1C; Mon, 26 May 2003 11:59:11 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 11:59:11 +0200 (CEST) From: Gaute Lindkvist To: Alexander Larsson Cc: Petri Kanerva , Nautilus Subject: Re: Bug with volume handling in 2.3.2 In-Reply-To: <1053693643.30145.546.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: References: <1053616789.243.13.camel@darkstar.example.net> <1053693643.30145.546.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > > As the regular mount point for the win-partition is /mnt/C. > > Then made appropriate line to fstab for the new mount point with another > > partiton as to the regular C. Now, when the new 'C' is mounted from > > Nautilus, it crashes again, because the desktop would have two 'C' > > labels. When the files were created for volumes, it's normal to add the > > '(2)' to the fil names, and so to the labels on the desktop. > > This should be fixes in CVS now. Could you test it? > This is probably the same as my weird bug which I mentioned to you on IRC. (lindkvis's home suddenly became Trash or just home with no icon and went back to normal after restarting Nautilus) It seemed to disappear after a CVS-update, but it saw if again this weekend. I haven't updated for some days, so I'll test this when I return home this evening. Gaute From alexl@redhat.com Mon May 26 07:58:31 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02D7418341 for ; Mon, 26 May 2003 07:58:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h4QBwQ523015; Mon, 26 May 2003 07:58:26 -0400 Subject: Re: Bug with volume handling in 2.3.2 From: Alexander Larsson To: Gaute Lindkvist Cc: Petri Kanerva , Nautilus In-Reply-To: References: <1053616789.243.13.camel@darkstar.example.net> <1053693643.30145.546.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1053950305.19244.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.91.99 (Preview Release) Date: 26 May 2003 13:58:26 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Mon, 2003-05-26 at 11:59, Gaute Lindkvist wrote: > > > As the regular mount point for the win-partition is /mnt/C. > > > Then made appropriate line to fstab for the new mount point with another > > > partiton as to the regular C. Now, when the new 'C' is mounted from > > > Nautilus, it crashes again, because the desktop would have two 'C' > > > labels. When the files were created for volumes, it's normal to add the > > > '(2)' to the fil names, and so to the labels on the desktop. > > > > This should be fixes in CVS now. Could you test it? > > > This is probably the same as my weird bug which I mentioned to you on IRC. > (lindkvis's home suddenly became Trash or just home with no icon and went > back to normal after restarting Nautilus) > It seemed to disappear after a CVS-update, but it saw if again this > weekend. I haven't updated for some days, so I'll test this when I return home this > evening. Unless nautilus got stuck in an infinite loop it is probably not the same bug. Some other things got fixed, but nothing that would make it behave like that... =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a scrappy devious jungle king fleeing from a secret government programme. She's a wealthy blonde snake charmer with a knack for trouble. They fight crime! From calum.benson@sun.com Mon May 26 08:29:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 567BE18610 for ; Mon, 26 May 2003 08:29:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM ([129.156.220.69]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4QCTpep010492; Mon, 26 May 2003 06:29:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [129.156.238.57] (simcity [129.156.238.57]) by dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM (8.11.7+Sun/8.10.2/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id h4QCToh22970; Mon, 26 May 2003 13:29:51 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Nautilus Wish From: Calum Benson To: Gavrila Cc: Nautilus List In-Reply-To: <1053857406.492.3.camel@Kreuzberg> References: <1053857406.492.3.camel@Kreuzberg> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Sun Microsystems Ireland Ltd Message-Id: <1053952174.1661.262.camel@simcity> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.4.99 Date: 26 May 2003 13:29:47 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sun, 2003-05-25 at 11:10, Gavrila wrote: > I have a wish. I wish I could access the same options in the contextual > menu either if I browse with "view as Icons", or "view as list". > For example, if I browse with the latter, I cannot create a new folder. > I know there are tons of things to do, but if u developers have time > that's my thought :) Yeah, this is an annoying one alright... basically it's covered by http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94618 -- background menu not available in list view. Cheeri, Calum. -- CALUM BENSON, Usability Engineer Sun Microsystems Ireland mailto:calum.benson@sun.com GNOME Desktop Group http://ie.sun.com +353 1 819 9771 Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Sun Microsystems From calum.benson@sun.com Mon May 26 08:31:37 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13FE518610 for ; Mon, 26 May 2003 08:31:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM ([129.156.220.69]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4QCVQep011365; Mon, 26 May 2003 06:31:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from simcity (simcity [129.156.238.57]) by dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM (8.11.7+Sun/8.10.2/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id h4QCVPh23424; Mon, 26 May 2003 13:31:25 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Nautilus Wish From: Calum Benson To: Gavrila Cc: Nautilus List In-Reply-To: <1053876104.3460.8.camel@Kreuzberg> References: <1053857406.492.3.camel@Kreuzberg> <1053876104.3460.8.camel@Kreuzberg> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Sun Microsystems Ireland Ltd Message-Id: <1053952275.1661.265.camel@simcity> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.4.99 Date: 26 May 2003 13:31:22 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sun, 2003-05-25 at 16:21, Gavrila wrote: > I use gnome 2.2 if in 2.3 all these things are already solved I > apologize and I ask you to ignore my last 2 mails :) No, this one's not fixed yet either :/ It's http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85230. Cheeri, Calum. -- CALUM BENSON, Usability Engineer Sun Microsystems Ireland mailto:calum.benson@sun.com GNOME Desktop Group http://ie.sun.com +353 1 819 9771 Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Sun Microsystems From gavrilus@tiscalinet.it Mon May 26 10:07:47 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from alfa.fastwebnet.it (unknown [213.140.2.42]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE6F718932 for ; Mon, 26 May 2003 10:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [23.15.109.75] (23.15.109.75) by alfa.fastwebnet.it (6.7.016) id 3EAF5CEF003BC6AA for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Mon, 26 May 2003 16:07:46 +0200 Subject: Re: Nautilus Wish From: Gavrila To: Nautilus List In-Reply-To: <1053952275.1661.265.camel@simcity> References: <1053857406.492.3.camel@Kreuzberg> <1053876104.3460.8.camel@Kreuzberg> <1053952275.1661.265.camel@simcity> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1053958067.990.14.camel@Kreuzberg> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (Preview Release) Date: 26 May 2003 16:07:47 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Tnx for your reply. there's another thing I would really like to see in gnome. When some gtk2 app need to browse for some files, it would be really cool to open a dialog like konqueror does, with a mini nautilus browser in it, so thato moving and browsing amnog files is nicier and easier. Please let me know if I'm writing bullshits :))) Regards -- Gavrila Linux Registered User Linux Registered Machine Powered by Debian[SiD] From alexl@redhat.com Mon May 26 10:08:22 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 976D71891D for ; Mon, 26 May 2003 10:08:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h4QE8J511816; Mon, 26 May 2003 10:08:19 -0400 Subject: Re: [PATCH] Proposed Nautilus patch - attempt #2 From: Alexander Larsson To: Christian Neumair Cc: Nautilus In-Reply-To: <1053821266.19612.2.camel@localhost> References: <1053821266.19612.2.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1053958098.19244.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.91.99 (Preview Release) Date: 26 May 2003 16:08:18 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sun, 2003-05-25 at 02:07, Christian Neumair wrote: > Hi there! > Sorry, I sent the last patch twice PLUS it was erroneous as it contained > dozens of weird useless changes. > The attached patch HIGifies some glade dialogs (at least when it comes > to spacing) and fixes two tiny typos. It should apply cleanly against > HEAD. > Please have a look at it and tell me whether it's ok to commit it. I checked this in. Thanks. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a short-sighted Republican senator from a doomed world. She's a disco-crazy insomniac bodyguard from a family of eight older brothers. They fight crime! From Greg.Haywood@police.sa.gov.au Mon May 26 20:13:07 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from adl0133.systems.sa.gov.au (adl0133.systems.sa.gov.au [143.216.236.20]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0AD9181A4 for ; Mon, 26 May 2003 20:13:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adl0133.systems.sa.gov.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by adl0133.systems.sa.gov.au OUTGOING (8.12.9/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h4R0CuNC012682 for ; Tue, 27 May 2003 09:42:57 +0930 (CST)' Received: from sagemsbb006.saugov.sa.gov.au (sagemsbb006.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au [143.216.59.14]) by adl0133.systems.sa.gov.au INCOMING (8.12.9/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h4R0CtFT012637 for ; Tue, 27 May 2003 09:42:55 +0930 (CST)' Received: by sagemsbb006.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2654.89) id ; Tue, 27 May 2003 09:42:55 +0930 Message-ID: <05B70DCC62132C4981F4DD0CCBE90CA30278C1@sagemsj0014> From: "Haywood, Greg (SAPOL)" To: "'nautilus-list@gnome.org'" Subject: automount usb devices Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 09:42:57 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2654.89) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C323E4.B9BDE1A2" Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C323E4.B9BDE1A2 Content-Type: text/plain Hi all, I would love to see a "automount" sort of feature where devices like memory sticks, cameras etc mount in the root of the tree view automagically (and unmount when removed). It's a problem I find whenever I try to convince a MS user to move to linux/gnome - they expect this sort of thing to just be there and work without fuss. Thanks, Greg ------_=_NextPart_001_01C323E4.B9BDE1A2 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all,

I would love to see a = "automount" sort of feature where devices like = memory sticks, cameras etc mount in the root of the tree view automagically (and unmount when removed).

It's a problem I find whenever I try to convince a = MS user to move to linux/gnome - they expect this = sort of thing to just be there and work without = fuss.

 

Thanks,

 

Greg

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01C323E4.B9BDE1A2-- From petri.kanerva@surfeu.fi Wed May 28 01:51:38 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from surfeu.fi (mailbox.surfeu.fi [213.173.154.4]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA2561810D for ; Wed, 28 May 2003 01:51:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DynIP-144-130.Tku.surfeu.fi (account petri.kanerva [213.173.144.130] verified) by surfeu.fi (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.1) with ESMTP id 42196189 for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Wed, 28 May 2003 08:51:34 +0300 Subject: BUG With listview draging with 2.3.2 (and previously) From: Petri Kanerva To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1054063420.242.8.camel@darkstar.example.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.2 (Preview Release) Date: 28 May 2003 08:52:51 +0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This bug was introduced in the 2.2 branch when there were UI fixes for listview. Now that dragging is done via the middle-button (mousewheel in my case) when I have selected multiple files and try to drag them, only the file that I click on is dragged. If I hold control down when starting to drag, all other files are dragged, except the file I clicked on. Reason: the middle-button is treated like LMB when clickin, so that it changes selection before dragging. IMHO it should be only used to drag and the selecting /unselecting done via LMB. Is this an oversight in the code, or intended? Petri From alexl@redhat.com Wed May 28 06:22:23 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADC8418407 for ; Wed, 28 May 2003 06:22:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h4SAMK501217; Wed, 28 May 2003 06:22:21 -0400 Subject: Re: BUG With listview draging with 2.3.2 (and previously) From: Alexander Larsson To: Petri Kanerva Cc: Nautilus In-Reply-To: <1054063420.242.8.camel@darkstar.example.net> References: <1054063420.242.8.camel@darkstar.example.net> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1054117339.5782.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.92 (Preview Release) Date: 28 May 2003 12:22:20 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, 2003-05-28 at 07:52, Petri Kanerva wrote: > This bug was introduced in the 2.2 branch when there were UI fixes for > listview. > > Now that dragging is done via the middle-button (mousewheel in my case) > when I have selected multiple files and try to drag them, only the file > that I click on is dragged. If I hold control down when starting to > drag, all other files are dragged, except the file I clicked on. > > Reason: the middle-button is treated like LMB when clickin, so that it > changes selection before dragging. IMHO it should be only used to drag > and the selecting /unselecting done via LMB. Is this an oversight in the > code, or intended? Its clearly a bug that we need to fix. The unselection should only happen on release, like in the icon view. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a hate-fuelled amnesiac waffle chef fleeing from a secret government programme. She's a psychotic mute mechanic in the witness protection program. They fight crime! From Murray.Cumming@Comneon.com Thu May 29 05:08:27 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp1.infineon.com (smtp1.infineon.com [194.175.117.76]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06D6618304; Thu, 29 May 2003 05:08:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vihsx03a.vih.infineon.com (vih.ifx-mail3.com [172.31.163.97]) by smtp1.infineon.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4T98AxZ022596; Thu, 29 May 2003 11:08:11 +0200 (MEST) Received: by vihsx03a.vih.infineon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 29 May 2003 11:08:58 +0200 Message-ID: <258B0164D480D5118D900800062B3858FFB66B@vihsx09a.vih.infineon.com> From: Murray.Cumming@Comneon.com To: rosselli@ling.unipi.it, usability@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org, nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: RE: PPP dialer (Re: Bug with volume handling in 2.3.2) Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 11:08:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > From: Roberto Rosselli Del Turco [mailto:rosselli@ling.unipi.it] > Petri Kanerva wrote: > > On Fri, 2003-05-23 at 15:40, Alexander Larsson wrote: > > > >>This should be fixes in CVS now. Could you test it? > > > > Sorry, but no. My home machine is behind a modem, so the > download would > > abe a pain. And the machine I use to get the released packages is a > > win-machine, and I'v had bad experiences with win cvs. So if someone > > would make a package of the cvs and put it somewhere for me > to dl, or > > tell me about a working win cvs software. > > BTW, is there some plan to add a decent PPP dialer to the > GNOME Desktop > applets/utilities? I believe there's one in gnome-system-tools. The decision has not yet been made for that new module. Try it out. Tell us what you think. Murray Cumming murrayc@usa.net www.murrayc.com From rosselli@ling.unipi.it Thu May 29 08:04:01 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from arno.humnet.unipi.it (arno.humnet.unipi.it [131.114.40.49]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40F331854C; Thu, 29 May 2003 08:04:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [81.211.151.72] (helo=ling.unipi.it) by arno.humnet.unipi.it with asmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19LM8t-0004sn-1t; Thu, 29 May 2003 14:04:23 +0200 Message-ID: <3ED5F698.5080504@ling.unipi.it> Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 14:01:28 +0200 From: Roberto Rosselli Del Turco User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4b) Gecko/20030313 X-Accept-Language: it, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carlos Garnacho Parro Cc: Murray.Cumming@Comneon.com, usability@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org, nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Usability] RE: PPP dialer (Re: Bug with volume handling in 2.3.2) References: <258B0164D480D5118D900800062B3858FFB66B@vihsx09a.vih.infineon.com> <13670.195.235.92.108.1054205248.squirrel@www.tuxerver.net> In-Reply-To: <13670.195.235.92.108.1054205248.squirrel@www.tuxerver.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Carlos Garnacho Parro wrote: >>> >>>BTW, is there some plan to add a decent PPP dialer to the >>>GNOME Desktop >>>applets/utilities? >> >>I believe there's one in gnome-system-tools. The decision has not yet been >>made for that new module. Try it out. Tell us what you think. > > > in the gnome-system-tools there is a network-admin tool, that configures > PPP too, but I understand that this is not designed as a PPP dialer, I'm > planning to write one based on gst, as you may run a standalone ppp druid > when doing: > > ./network-admin --ppp-connection This is an excellent idea. I tried to set up a pair of PPP connections with network-admin and they worked flawlessly at first launch (the connections druid looks great, too). As Carlos remarked, though, network-admin is a configuration tool, unsuitable for this use: actually all that you need after having configured a PPP(/other) connection is a small utility/applet to activate the desired connection. Ciao -- Roberto Rosselli Del Turco e-mail: rosselli at cisi.unito.it Dipartimento di Scienze rosselli at ling.unipi.it del Linguaggio Then spoke the thunder DA Universita' di Torino Datta: what have we given? (TSE) Hige sceal the heardra, heorte the cenre, mod sceal the mare, the ure maegen litlath. (Maldon 312-3) From sisob@eircom.net Fri May 30 18:07:39 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mail2.mail.iol.ie (mail2.mail.iol.ie [194.125.2.193]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E20518E02; Fri, 30 May 2003 18:07:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aa-airlock108.esatclear.ie ([213.202.167.108]) by mail2.mail.iol.ie with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19Ls2E-0004YB-00; Fri, 30 May 2003 23:07:38 +0100 Subject: Killing Views Part 2 - The return of the Usabilty study From: Mark Finlay To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Cc: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org, usability@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1054332497.5903.12.camel@dogbert> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 30 May 2003 23:08:17 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: We recently had a discussion about killing nautilus internal file views. And it was one of those issues that I wished I had some usability statistics to back it up. Today I've been reading the usability review that sun did of Gnome 1.2 and came accross this page: http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/ut1_report/file_management.html Users were confused by the read only view of a text file and said things like: "I was expecting a word processing app to open [the file]...weird." "I was confused when the text file opened in a browser type thing." The sun reccomendation was to make it more clear that the file is read only, but I would say that it makes more sense to remove the internal viewing of files in nautilus all together, now that nautilus is no longer used as a web browser. There is no real benefit to viewing a text file or image in nautilus AFAICT, but there are definately drawbacks, and as that usability study shows, it causes user frustration and confusion. I don't want to start another holy war. But I would love to get a response from the nautilus maints for or against this. The rest of us can argue to we go blue in the face, but if the maints aren't listening then there is no point. Thanks for you time, -- Mark Finlay From alan@ufies.org Fri May 30 18:23:58 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from master.ufies.org (folly.ufies.org [204.174.19.9]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF65418162; Fri, 30 May 2003 18:23:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by master.ufies.org (Postfix, from userid 1032) id B529D3E2106; Fri, 30 May 2003 15:23:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 15:23:56 -0700 From: Alan To: nautilus-list@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Killing Views Part 2 - The return of the Usabilty study Message-ID: <20030530222356.GI12786@ufies.org> Mail-Followup-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org References: <1054332497.5903.12.camel@dogbert> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1054332497.5903.12.camel@dogbert> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: [snip] > There is no real benefit to viewing a text file or image in nautilus > AFAICT, but there are definately drawbacks, and as that usability > study shows, it causes user frustration and confusion. > > I don't want to start another holy war. But I would love to get a > response from the nautilus maints for or against this. The rest of us > can argue to we go blue in the face, but if the maints aren't listening > then there is no point. Personally I agree with most of this, but there are a couple of things that I do use the nautilus internal views for. Image viewing. While I do 99% of my file maintenance on the command line, any sort of organization of images is made 1000x easier with the thumbnail view, and by extension, the ability to view the "full" image within nautilus (lets call it "zoom" for now). If I just want a bit closer look at my random_wallpaper.png I don't want to have to deal with popping up the gimp or eog each time, I just want it in the same window. The other thing is for viewing of text files. Nautilus already provides the ability to see a bit of the text file, so I'd expect it to be able to view it all (maybe, "zoom" it). Text files are again, fast and quick to view, and don't require special programs to process them, unlike abiword/.doc, etc. Maybe instead of having internal viewers nautilus could have a "zoom" function. If the visual representation of this zoom was done right it could be obvious or more obvious to the end user that they weren't getting the full deal, just a close up look at the file they wanted to see. If done right maybe all the internal views could be kept (I'm sure that there are people that organize abiword docs like I do images that would love the abilty to not have to open AW each time they want to see a doc), but just re-skinned in such a way that it's easier for the end user to understand that the file manager is just zooming into their file read only, not actually editing it. IIRC the way that os/x does it is to give you file information in the multi-pane view, or open up the preview program each time for files that aren't registered with an app (ie: .doc) but are registered with the preview program (ie: images, etc), and also provides an "open with..." option in the menu. Regards, Alan -- Alan - http://arcterex.net -------------------------------------------------------------------- "There are only 3 real sports: bull-fighting, car racing and mountain climbing. All the others are mere games." -- Hemingway From jesimon@libertysurf.fr Fri May 30 18:40:03 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.libertysurf.net (mail.libertysurf.net [213.36.80.91]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFF3F180E3 for ; Fri, 30 May 2003 18:40:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maison.matrix.com (213.36.176.134) by mail.libertysurf.net (6.5.026) id 3ECC3D56002EFD92; Sat, 31 May 2003 00:39:56 +0200 Subject: Re: automount usb devices From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=E9r=E9my?= SIMON To: "Haywood, Greg (SAPOL)" Cc: "'nautilus-list@gnome.org'" In-Reply-To: <05B70DCC62132C4981F4DD0CCBE90CA30278C1@sagemsj0014> References: <05B70DCC62132C4981F4DD0CCBE90CA30278C1@sagemsj0014> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Message-Id: <1054334008.15508.5.camel@maison.matrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.92 (Preview Release) Date: 31 May 2003 00:33:28 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Le mar 27/05/2003 à 02:12, Haywood, Greg (SAPOL) a écrit : > Hi all, > > I would love to see a "automount" sort of feature where devices like > memory sticks, cameras etc mount in the root of the tree view > automagically (and unmount when removed). > > It's a problem I find whenever I try to convince a MS user to move to > linux/gnome - they expect this sort of thing to just be there and work > without fuss. Hi, You need hotplug : http://linux-hotplug.sourceforge.net/. If you need some help, you can contact me directly. -- Jeremy From julo@altern.org Fri May 30 18:41:18 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mwinf0301.wanadoo.fr (smtp6.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.28]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A80BB182A1; Fri, 30 May 2003 18:41:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mix-Toulouse-209-3-146.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr (unknown [193.248.81.146]) by mwinf0301.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 885B740085D; Sat, 31 May 2003 00:41:08 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Killing Views Part 2 - The return of the Usabilty study From: Julien Olivier To: Mark Finlay Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org, usability@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1054332497.5903.12.camel@dogbert> References: <1054332497.5903.12.camel@dogbert> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Message-Id: <1054334439.14397.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (Preview Release) Date: 31 May 2003 00:40:39 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi Here's my humble proposition to solve this issue: I think Nautilus should have the possibility to show thumbnails and previews of files at the same time. For example, if you are browsing a bunch of pictures, you should have a preview of the first picture on the top of the window and a row full of thumbnails of other files. Like that: ------------ | | | | | | | | ------------ ---- ---- ---- ---- | | | | | | | | ---- ---- ---- ---- The big preview should fit the size of Nautilus' window whereas thumbnails should have a fixed size. I think this template could be used for any type of files (text, RTF files, HTML, PS/PDF, music using an embedded player instead of the preview, videos etc...). Different file types could even be mixed in the thumbnails row. This solution would have the following advantages: - I feel that it's easier to understand that the preview is read-only if it is presented this way (that's just a personal feeling though) - It's easier to navigate through files while previewing them (no need to go back after viewing each file). - It is the way WinXP does it for pictures ;) What do you think of that ? Le sam 31/05/2003 à 00:08, Mark Finlay a écrit : > We recently had a discussion about killing nautilus internal file > views. And it was one of those issues that I wished I had some > usability statistics to back it up. > > Today I've been reading the usability review that sun did of > Gnome 1.2 and came accross this page: > http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/ut1_report/file_management.html > > Users were confused by the read only view of a text file and > said things like: > "I was expecting a word processing app to open [the file]...weird." > "I was confused when the text file opened in a browser type thing." > > The sun reccomendation was to make it more clear that the file is > read only, but I would say that it makes more sense to remove the > internal viewing of files in nautilus all together, now that nautilus is > no longer used as a web browser. > > There is no real benefit to viewing a text file or image in nautilus > AFAICT, but there are definately drawbacks, and as that usability > study shows, it causes user frustration and confusion. > > I don't want to start another holy war. But I would love to get a > response from the nautilus maints for or against this. The rest of us > can argue to we go blue in the face, but if the maints aren't listening > then there is no point. > > Thanks for you time, From joshg@myrealbox.com Fri May 30 20:57:29 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost.localnet (unknown [65.206.132.47]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93C2E1810A; Fri, 30 May 2003 20:57:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localnet [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localnet (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h4V0vOT4005117; Fri, 30 May 2003 18:57:25 -0600 Subject: Re: Killing Views Part 2 - The return of the Usabilty study From: Joshua Adam Ginsberg To: Mark Finlay Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org, usability@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1054332497.5903.12.camel@dogbert> References: <1054332497.5903.12.camel@dogbert> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-Ka1rDZj7pACS1kJhn0xB" Message-Id: <1054342643.2881.82.camel@localhost.localnet> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (Preview Release) Date: 30 May 2003 18:57:24 -0600 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-Ka1rDZj7pACS1kJhn0xB Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mark - I am also in favor of your proposal because I too find the nautilus as both file manager/universal viewer concept confusing... I do however think three things need to happen first before we can really consider doing this right: 1) Nautilus needs to have the possibility of two different applications associated with each file type. The first would be a viewer and the second would be an editor. For things like web pages or images, this is key. 2) Mimetypes/filetype handlers configuration needs to be fixed and stabilized. 3) Major GNOME applications need to build into their architecture the ability to use existing instances when available. This is needed for speed's sake or at least the appearance of speed's sake. Users shouldn't have to start up a whole new instance of EOG just to view an image when EOG is already running. Likewise for things like Gimp, AbiWord, etc. I believe gEdit and Galeon (Epi too? je ne sais pas) already have this functionality. But yes, I"m definitely all for it, but I think it's not worth it until we can get the above done as well. -jag On Fri, 2003-05-30 at 16:08, Mark Finlay wrote: > We recently had a discussion about killing nautilus internal file > views. And it was one of those issues that I wished I had some > usability statistics to back it up. >=20 > Today I've been reading the usability review that sun did of > Gnome 1.2 and came accross this page: > http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/ut1_report/file_management.html >=20 > Users were confused by the read only view of a text file and=20 > said things like: > "I was expecting a word processing app to open [the file]...weird." > "I was confused when the text file opened in a browser type thing." >=20 > The sun reccomendation was to make it more clear that the file is > read only, but I would say that it makes more sense to remove the > internal viewing of files in nautilus all together, now that nautilus is > no longer used as a web browser. >=20 > There is no real benefit to viewing a text file or image in nautilus > AFAICT, but there are definately drawbacks, and as that usability > study shows, it causes user frustration and confusion. >=20 > I don't want to start another holy war. But I would love to get a > response from the nautilus maints for or against this. The rest of us > can argue to we go blue in the face, but if the maints aren't listening > then there is no point. >=20 > Thanks for you time, >=20 > --=20 > Mark Finlay --=20 --------------------------------------------------------- Joshua Adam Ginsberg Cellphone: 970.749.8530 Rice University '02 Email: joshg@myrealbox.com St. Mark's School of Texas '98 -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- "All your code are belong to us." -The SCO Group --------------------------------------------------------- --=-Ka1rDZj7pACS1kJhn0xB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQA+1/3zCwCYOVrXOfkRApPKAJ9CHEZZlvn+h8ykP1zLNCpTw4mdCwCbBnpp ISCW9b34KNuYKnFeko0NEB4= =DWH+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-Ka1rDZj7pACS1kJhn0xB-- From mpeseng@tin.it Wed May 28 06:32:32 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp3.libero.it (smtp3.libero.it [193.70.192.127]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ECEF18567 for ; Wed, 28 May 2003 06:32:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp-164-199.30-151.libero.it (151.30.199.164) by smtp3.libero.it (7.0.012) id 3EAD4AC500A15C14; Wed, 28 May 2003 12:32:25 +0200 Subject: Re: Sharing the spinner with icon theme From: Marco Pesenti Gritti To: Alexander Larsson Cc: Nautilus In-Reply-To: <1053333605.11180.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1053286099.900.36.camel@balurdi> <1053333605.11180.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1054117940.9221.2.camel@balurdi> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-5) Date: 28 May 2003 12:32:22 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > Yes, this is intended, to allow implementations that don't have to > implement old broken file formats. > > The way kde handles this is by having a large icon with all the frames > on a grid. That would work fine for us too. I posted patches to add the icon to gnome-icon-theme and to make nautilus-throbber use it on: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113859 (please note that I just sent an update of the first patch, gnome bugzilla doesnt seem to allow to obsolete patches) Marco From email_acct@earthlink.net Wed May 28 23:53:51 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC968188FC for ; Wed, 28 May 2003 23:53:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dialup-67.75.45.23.dial1.boston1.level3.net ([67.75.45.23] helo=west_f1.net) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19LEU8-0002St-00 for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Wed, 28 May 2003 20:53:49 -0700 Received: from west_f1.net (west_f1.net [127.0.0.1]) by west_f1.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h4T3q3N8010365 for ; Wed, 28 May 2003 23:52:05 -0400 Received: (from mike@localhost) by west_f1.net (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h4T3q27v010363 for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Wed, 28 May 2003 23:52:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: west_f1.net: mike set sender to email_acct@earthlink.net using -f Subject: nautilus 2.2.1 (gnome 2.2.0; rh9) theme change - how/where? From: mike Reply-To: email_acct@earthlink.net To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Message-Id: <1054180321.10049.15.camel@west_f1.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-4) Date: 28 May 2003 23:52:02 -0400 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I've searched/posted on Usenet for two weeeks now, checked recent nautilus archives, took a stab at bugzilla and still have no idea how to fix my problem. Nautilus help says I can change its themes. Opening "File Management Preferences", help says I'll find an "appearance" panel from which I can change nautilus themes. I find no "appearance" dialog anywhere within nautilus (or anywhere else to change nautilus themes). Using nautilus-file-management-properties I find four tabs, none with any mention/indication of changing the theme: "Views", "Behavior", "Icon Captions", and "Preview". I d/l a couple late-2002 nautilus themes (not just icons) from art.gnome (no one replied to my mail asking the same thing I'm asking here) and no matter where I put them (~/.themes, ~/.icons, /usr/share/themes, /usr/share/nautilus, /usr/share/pixmaps/nautilus with the Bluecurve dir) tar'd or not, I find no way to inform nautilus to use something other than Bluecurve. gnome-theme-manager doesn't list them (in the first panel or anywhere under "Details..."). Before I start flailing about by trying newer revs of nautilus can someone tell me how to (or if) I can change themes for nautilus 2.2.1/gnome 2.2.0/rh9? Thanks... Mike -- email_acct@earthlink.net From garnacho@tuxerver.net Thu May 29 06:21:55 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from tuxerver (217-126-128-182.uc.nombres.ttd.es [217.126.128.182]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1780E18705; Thu, 29 May 2003 06:21:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=www.tuxerver.net) by tuxerver with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 19LKwS-0003xV-00; Thu, 29 May 2003 12:47:28 +0200 Received: from 195.235.92.108 (proxying for 10.95.12.222) (SquirrelMail authenticated user garnacho) by www.tuxerver.net with HTTP; Thu, 29 May 2003 12:47:28 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <13670.195.235.92.108.1054205248.squirrel@www.tuxerver.net> In-Reply-To: <258B0164D480D5118D900800062B3858FFB66B@vihsx09a.vih.infineon.com> References: <258B0164D480D5118D900800062B3858FFB66B@vihsx09a.vih.infineon.com> Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 12:47:28 +0200 (CEST) Subject: RE: PPP dialer (Re: Bug with volume handling in 2.3.2) From: "Carlos Garnacho Parro" To: Murray.Cumming@Comneon.com Cc: rosselli@ling.unipi.it, usability@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org, nautilus-list@gnome.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: >> From: Roberto Rosselli Del Turco [mailto:rosselli@ling.unipi.it] >> Petri Kanerva wrote: >> > On Fri, 2003-05-23 at 15:40, Alexander Larsson wrote: >> > >> >>This should be fixes in CVS now. Could you test it? >> > >> > Sorry, but no. My home machine is behind a modem, so the >> download would >> > abe a pain. And the machine I use to get the released packages is a >> > win-machine, and I'v had bad experiences with win cvs. So if someone >> > would make a package of the cvs and put it somewhere for me >> to dl, or >> > tell me about a working win cvs software. >> >> BTW, is there some plan to add a decent PPP dialer to the >> GNOME Desktop >> applets/utilities? > > I believe there's one in gnome-system-tools. The decision has not yet been > made for that new module. Try it out. Tell us what you think. in the gnome-system-tools there is a network-admin tool, that configures PPP too, but I understand that this is not designed as a PPP dialer, I'm planning to write one based on gst, as you may run a standalone ppp druid when doing: ./network-admin --ppp-connection > > Murray Cumming > murrayc@usa.net > www.murrayc.com > _______________________________________________ > desktop-devel-list mailing list > desktop-devel-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list > From elanthis@awesomeplay.com Fri May 30 18:28:02 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp-out.comcast.net (smtp-out.comcast.net [24.153.64.113]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F23BB18878; Fri, 30 May 2003 18:28:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moonweaver.home.awesomeplay.com (bgp01132961bgs.ypeast01.mi.comcast.net [68.42.119.201]) by mtaout03.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HFQ00CLY113NA@mtaout03.icomcast.net>; Fri, 30 May 2003 18:27:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stargrazer.home.awesomeplay.com ([192.168.1.5]) by moonweaver.home.awesomeplay.com with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 19LsL1-0000MW-00; Fri, 30 May 2003 18:27:03 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 18:27:03 -0400 From: Sean Middleditch Subject: Re: [Usability] Killing Views Part 2 - The return of the Usabilty study In-reply-to: <1054332497.5903.12.camel@dogbert> To: Mark Finlay Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org, usability@gnome.org Message-id: <1054333623.4859.2.camel@stargrazer.home.awesomeplay.com> Organization: AwesomePlay Productions, Inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <1054332497.5903.12.camel@dogbert> Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, 2003-05-30 at 18:08, Mark Finlay wrote: > There is no real benefit to viewing a text file or image in nautilus > AFAICT, but there are definately drawbacks, and as that usability > study shows, it causes user frustration and confusion. When reading thru a bunch of files or snapshots, it can be rather useful to not have to micro-manage windows. One thing I've thought might help out is, if you're in the read-only view of an image/text-file, put a big clear "Edit With..." button on the toolbar. Thus, I could open an image in Nautilus, and if I decide that's the image I wanted, click Edit With..., select GIMP, and then let the rather long startup for GIMP proceed. Perhaps the best thing is to simply have the file types capplet let the user select whether they prefer an inline viewer or separate viewer. I'd only prefer certain file types to be viewed inline, and then only beacause it's way too much trouble to use separate windows, or too slow to open a separate app for each item; the Nautilus view might be less user friendly, but it solves the problem. > > I don't want to start another holy war. But I would love to get a > response from the nautilus maints for or against this. The rest of us > can argue to we go blue in the face, but if the maints aren't listening > then there is no point. > > Thanks for you time, -- Sean Middleditch AwesomePlay Productions, Inc. From julo@altern.org Sat May 31 02:01:04 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mwinf0302.wanadoo.fr (smtp6.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.28]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE1F118766; Sat, 31 May 2003 02:01:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mix-Toulouse-206-4-85.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr (unknown [193.248.216.85]) by mwinf0302.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 01046C00027F; Sat, 31 May 2003 08:01:00 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Killing Views Part 2 - The return of the Usabilty study From: Julien Olivier To: Joshua Adam Ginsberg Cc: Mark Finlay , nautilus-list@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org, usability@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1054342643.2881.82.camel@localhost.localnet> References: <1054332497.5903.12.camel@dogbert> <1054342643.2881.82.camel@localhost.localnet> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1054360833.14397.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (Preview Release) Date: 31 May 2003 08:00:33 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > 3) Major GNOME applications need to build into their architecture the > ability to use existing instances when available. This is needed for > speed's sake or at least the appearance of speed's sake. Users shouldn't > have to start up a whole new instance of EOG just to view an image when > EOG is already running. Likewise for things like Gimp, AbiWord, etc. I > believe gEdit and Galeon (Epi too? je ne sais pas) already have this > functionality. Gimp already has this feature using gimp-remote. But, for any reason, Redhat doesn't want to ship it with their distro... From hp@redhat.com Sat May 31 03:21:02 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80D1318129; Sat, 31 May 2003 03:21:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from hp@localhost) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) id h4V7KwY07683; Sat, 31 May 2003 03:20:58 -0400 Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 03:20:58 -0400 From: Havoc Pennington To: Julien Olivier Cc: Joshua Adam Ginsberg , Mark Finlay , nautilus-list@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org, usability@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Usability] Re: Killing Views Part 2 - The return of the Usabilty study Message-ID: <20030531032058.F28993@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1054332497.5903.12.camel@dogbert> <1054342643.2881.82.camel@localhost.localnet> <1054360833.14397.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <1054360833.14397.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sat, May 31, 2003 at 08:00:33AM +0200, Julien Olivier wrote: > > 3) Major GNOME applications need to build into their architecture the > > ability to use existing instances when available. This is needed for > > speed's sake or at least the appearance of speed's sake. Users shouldn't > > have to start up a whole new instance of EOG just to view an image when > > EOG is already running. Likewise for things like Gimp, AbiWord, etc. I > > believe gEdit and Galeon (Epi too? je ne sais pas) already have this > > functionality. > > Gimp already has this feature using gimp-remote. But, for any reason, > Redhat doesn't want to ship it with their distro... > A bug I think, see: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=35493 Though the spec file explicitly does "rm -f gimp-remote" so maybe someone left it out on purpose for some reason. Alternatively that could have just been someone adding the rm -f to fix rpmlint warnings. This really shouldn't involve separate binaries though, it should work like gnome-terminal btw, I think we shouldn't crosspost more than 2 lists as a rule... Havoc From sisob@eircom.net Sat May 31 04:09:03 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mail2.mail.iol.ie (mail2.mail.iol.ie [194.125.2.193]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2186418287; Sat, 31 May 2003 04:09:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [194.165.171.34] (helo=r-airlock034.esatclear.ie) by mail2.mail.iol.ie with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19M1QE-0004H2-00; Sat, 31 May 2003 09:09:02 +0100 Subject: Re: [Usability] Re: Killing Views Part 2 - The return of the Usabilty study From: Mark Finlay To: Julien Olivier Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org, usability@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1054334439.14397.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1054332497.5903.12.camel@dogbert> <1054334439.14397.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1054368581.2478.2.camel@dogbert> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 31 May 2003 09:09:41 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, 2003-05-30 at 23:40, Julien Olivier wrote: > Hi > > Here's my humble proposition to solve this issue: > > I think Nautilus should have the possibility to show thumbnails and > previews of files at the same time. [snip] > What do you think of that ? I agree - and it's been done on gthumb head. There is a directory view that behaves the way you've described. Which means that we could still get rid of file views and have this capability. -- Mark Finlay From sisob@eircom.net Sat May 31 04:22:48 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mail1.mail.iol.ie (mail1.mail.iol.ie [194.125.2.192]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDB0218287; Sat, 31 May 2003 04:22:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [194.165.171.34] (helo=r-airlock034.esatclear.ie) by mail1.mail.iol.ie with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19M0hL-0000nN-00; Sat, 31 May 2003 08:22:40 +0100 Subject: Re: [Usability] Re: Killing Views Part 2 - The return of the Usabilty study From: Mark Finlay To: Joshua Adam Ginsberg Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org, usability@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1054342643.2881.82.camel@localhost.localnet> References: <1054332497.5903.12.camel@dogbert> <1054342643.2881.82.camel@localhost.localnet> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1054369360.2728.1.camel@dogbert> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 31 May 2003 09:23:27 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > 1) Nautilus needs to have the possibility of two different applications > associated with each file type. The first would be a viewer and the > second would be an editor. For things like web pages or images, this is > key. MMM, doesn't nautilus already have the possibility of having multiple apps associated with a file type? That one feature it has that I've never seen anywhere else. I think it may have been me who suggested replacing open with with "View with" and "Edit with" but that's not absolutely critial because you can currently have "Open with -> Web editor" and "Open with -> Web Browser" > 2) Mimetypes/filetype handlers configuration needs to be fixed and > stabilized. I'm not sure whether it would be best of this to happen before or after file viewer would be removed(if at all). There are a lot ot references to viewers in the current gnome and nautilus mine dialogs. When fixing this whole system one would need to be very clear about whether there will be file viewers or not. > 3) Major GNOME applications need to build into their architecture the > ability to use existing instances when available. This is needed for > speed's sake or at least the appearance of speed's sake. Users shouldn't > have to start up a whole new instance of EOG just to view an image when > EOG is already running. Likewise for things like Gimp, AbiWord, etc. I > believe gEdit and Galeon (Epi too? je ne sais pas) already have this > functionality. So does GIMP 1.3 and openoffice. Abiword has no mdi so it makes no difference really as it starts really fast regardless. I agree for EOG though. It is way too slow for a viewer app. Pitty that universal viewer never came to anything.. Guess we should just file bugs against apps don't use existing instances. -- Mark Finlay From shaunm@wolfram.com Sat May 31 04:54:30 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mailhost.bcv1.ameritech.net (mailhost1-bcvloh.bcvloh.ameritech.net [66.73.20.42]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A78018358 for ; Sat, 31 May 2003 04:54:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornholio.housenet.net ([68.22.249.122]) by mailhost.bcv1.ameritech.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.17 201-229-119) with ESMTP id <20030531085429.YRPC10287.mailhost.bcv1.ameritech.net@cornholio.housenet.net>; Sat, 31 May 2003 04:54:29 -0400 Subject: Re: nautilus 2.2.1 (gnome 2.2.0; rh9) theme change - how/where? From: Shaun McCance To: email_acct@earthlink.net Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1054180321.10049.15.camel@west_f1.net> References: <1054180321.10049.15.camel@west_f1.net> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc. Message-Id: <1054370882.23001.1.camel@cornholio> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.92 (Preview Release) Date: 31 May 2003 03:48:02 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, 2003-05-28 at 22:52, mike wrote: > I've searched/posted on Usenet for two weeeks now, checked recent > nautilus archives, took a stab at bugzilla and still have no idea how to > fix my problem. > > Nautilus help says I can change its themes. Opening "File Management > Preferences", help says I'll find an "appearance" panel from which I can > change nautilus themes. I find no "appearance" dialog anywhere within > nautilus (or anywhere else to change nautilus themes). Using > nautilus-file-management-properties I find four tabs, none with any > mention/indication of changing the theme: "Views", "Behavior", "Icon > Captions", and "Preview". > > I d/l a couple late-2002 nautilus themes (not just icons) from art.gnome > (no one replied to my mail asking the same thing I'm asking here) and no > matter where I put them (~/.themes, ~/.icons, /usr/share/themes, > /usr/share/nautilus, /usr/share/pixmaps/nautilus with the Bluecurve dir) > tar'd or not, I find no way to inform nautilus to use something other > than Bluecurve. gnome-theme-manager doesn't list them (in the first > panel or anywhere under "Details..."). > > Before I start flailing about by trying newer revs of nautilus can > someone tell me how to (or if) I can change themes for nautilus > 2.2.1/gnome 2.2.0/rh9? I'm afraid you're reading some out-dated Nautilus documentation. As of Gnome 2, Nautilus no longer has its own themes. It now uses icon themes, which can be used by other programs as well (and, IIRC, are also used by KDE). Icon themes are under "Icon" on art.gnome.org. They should be installed in /usr/share/icons (well, {$prefix}/share/icons), or under your home directory in ~/.icons. To select a Nautilus theme, use the Gnome Theme Preferences. You'll need to click 'Details' and go to the 'Icons' tab to select just an icon theme. -- Shaun From sisob@eircom.net Sat May 31 05:08:03 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mail1.mail.iol.ie (mail1.mail.iol.ie [194.125.2.192]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A696A18BB9; Sat, 31 May 2003 05:08:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [194.165.171.34] (helo=r-airlock034.esatclear.ie) by mail1.mail.iol.ie with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19M1PA-00044K-00; Sat, 31 May 2003 09:07:57 +0100 Subject: Re: Killing Views Part 2 - The return of the Usabilty study From: Mark Finlay To: Alan Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20030530222356.GI12786@ufies.org> References: <1054332497.5903.12.camel@dogbert> <20030530222356.GI12786@ufies.org> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1054371263.2728.7.camel@dogbert> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 31 May 2003 10:08:42 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > Image viewing. While I do 99% of my file maintenance on the command > line, any sort of organization of images is made 1000x easier with the > thumbnail view, and by extension, the ability to view the "full" image > within nautilus (lets call it "zoom" for now). If I just want a bit > closer look at my random_wallpaper.png I don't want to have to deal with > popping up the gimp or eog each time, I just want it in the same window. Have you tried the gthumb catalog _directory_ view. http://xsu.sf.net/gthumb-view.png - You can browse your pics, and use the nautilus zoom widget to zoom in and out. I think that this is a much better solution. Using custom directory views instead of hacking odd zoom features into nautilus. > The other thing is for viewing of text files. Nautilus already provides > the ability to see a bit of the text file, so I'd expect it to be able > to view it all (maybe, "zoom" it). Text files are again, fast and quick > to view, and don't require special programs to process them, unlike > abiword/.doc, etc. Yeah, but gedit is a much more ideal way to view text files, and it has an mdi and uses the same instance. Opening files in a new window drastically reduces user confusion don't forget. -- Mark Finlay From jens@triq.net Sat May 31 07:46:08 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mail1.ewetel.de (mail1.ewetel.de [212.6.122.14]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89C581816C; Sat, 31 May 2003 07:46:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from galway.darkride.net (dynadsl-080-228-75-012.ewetel.net [80.228.75.12]) by mail1.ewetel.de (8.12.1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4VBk5fZ027052; Sat, 31 May 2003 13:46:05 +0200 (MEST) Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 12:16:22 +0200 (CEST) From: Jens Finke X-X-Sender: jens@galway.darkride.net To: Julien Olivier Cc: Mark Finlay , "" , "" , "" Subject: Re: Killing Views Part 2 - The return of the Usabilty study In-Reply-To: <1054334439.14397.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: References: <1054332497.5903.12.camel@dogbert> <1054334439.14397.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-CheckCompat: OK Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, On Sat, 31 May 2003, Julien Olivier wrote: > I think Nautilus should have the possibility to show thumbnails and > previews of files at the same time. > > For example, if you are browsing a bunch of pictures, you should have a > preview of the first picture on the top of the window and a row full of > thumbnails of other files. Like that: > > ------------ > | | > | | > | | > | | > ------------ > > ---- ---- ---- ---- > | | | | | | | | > ---- ---- ---- ---- > > The big preview should fit the size of Nautilus' window whereas > thumbnails should have a fixed size. Eye of Gnome >= 2.3.0 does exactly this. Choose the Image Collection View in Nautilus if you have eog installed. Enjoy. Best wishes, Jens From jens@triq.net Sat May 31 08:13:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mail3.ewetel.de (unknown [212.6.122.211]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4794E185A1; Sat, 31 May 2003 08:13:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from galway.darkride.net (dynadsl-080-228-75-012.ewetel.net [80.228.75.12]) by mail3.ewetel.de (8.12.1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4VCDJYI004641; Sat, 31 May 2003 14:13:19 +0200 (MEST) Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 12:43:36 +0200 (CEST) From: Jens Finke X-X-Sender: jens@galway.darkride.net To: Joshua Adam Ginsberg Cc: Mark Finlay , "" , "" , "" Subject: Re: Killing Views Part 2 - The return of the Usabilty study In-Reply-To: <1054342643.2881.82.camel@localhost.localnet> Message-ID: References: <1054332497.5903.12.camel@dogbert> <1054342643.2881.82.camel@localhost.localnet> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-CheckCompat: OK Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, On Sat, 30 May 2003, Joshua Adam Ginsberg wrote: > 3) Major GNOME applications need to build into their architecture the > ability to use existing instances when available. This is needed for > speed's sake or at least the appearance of speed's sake. Users shouldn't > have to start up a whole new instance of EOG just to view an image when > EOG is already running. welcome to the world of bonobo. eog-image-viewer is a bonobo server, which is re-used for every image you open. Only opening the first image when there is no other instance already needs some more time, because the server must be started by bonobo-activation. Problem: If you view images one after another, the server is shut down/started every time :-/. Indeed, this needs fixing on some level (bonobo/b-a-s/nautilus). Regards, Jens From julo@altern.org Sat May 31 09:06:29 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mwinf0604.wanadoo.fr (smtp3.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.25]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9D7F18341; Sat, 31 May 2003 09:06:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mix-Toulouse-209-4-206.w193-250.abo.wanadoo.fr (unknown [193.250.118.206]) by mwinf0604.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id B966428000BC; Sat, 31 May 2003 15:06:26 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: [Usability] Re: Killing Views Part 2 - The return of the Usabilty study From: Julien Olivier To: Jens Finke Cc: Mark Finlay , nautilus-list@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org, usability@gnome.org In-Reply-To: References: <1054332497.5903.12.camel@dogbert> <1054334439.14397.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1054386357.563.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-4) Date: 31 May 2003 15:05:57 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > Eye of Gnome >= 2.3.0 does exactly this. Choose the Image Collection View > in Nautilus if you have eog installed. Enjoy. > Great ! I'd like this view to be able to preview any type of documents though (not just pictures). That said, if previews are very important for pictures, I'm not sure they are that important for other media types... > Best wishes, > > Jens > _______________________________________________ > Usability mailing list > Usability@gnome.org > http://lists.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/usability From Murray.Cumming@Comneon.com Sat May 31 09:36:03 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp1.infineon.com (smtp1.infineon.com [194.175.117.76]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68B2918279; Sat, 31 May 2003 09:35:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vihsx03a.vih.infineon.com (vih.ifx-mail3.com [172.31.163.97]) by smtp1.infineon.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4VDZXxZ011699; Sat, 31 May 2003 15:35:34 +0200 (MEST) Received: by vihsx03a.vih.infineon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sat, 31 May 2003 15:36:24 +0200 Message-ID: <258B0164D480D5118D900800062B3858FFB6E6@vihsx09a.vih.infineon.com> From: Murray.Cumming@Comneon.com To: sisob@eircom.net, nautilus-list@gnome.org Cc: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org, usability@gnome.org Subject: RE: Killing Views Part 2 - The return of the Usabilty study Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 15:35:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: There seems to be some suppport for this. Jeff Waugh's separate preview application idea seems to take care of the just-show-something-quick use case. Murray Cumming murrayc@usa.net www.murrayc.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Finlay [mailto:sisob@eircom.net] > Sent: Samstag, 31. Mai 2003 00:08 > To: nautilus-list@gnome.org > Cc: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org; usability@gnome.org > Subject: Killing Views Part 2 - The return of the Usabilty study > > > We recently had a discussion about killing nautilus internal file > views. And it was one of those issues that I wished I had some > usability statistics to back it up. > > Today I've been reading the usability review that sun did of > Gnome 1.2 and came accross this page: > http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/ut1_report/file_manage ment.html Users were confused by the read only view of a text file and said things like: "I was expecting a word processing app to open [the file]...weird." "I was confused when the text file opened in a browser type thing." The sun reccomendation was to make it more clear that the file is read only, but I would say that it makes more sense to remove the internal viewing of files in nautilus all together, now that nautilus is no longer used as a web browser. There is no real benefit to viewing a text file or image in nautilus AFAICT, but there are definately drawbacks, and as that usability study shows, it causes user frustration and confusion. I don't want to start another holy war. But I would love to get a response from the nautilus maints for or against this. The rest of us can argue to we go blue in the face, but if the maints aren't listening then there is no point. Thanks for you time, -- Mark Finlay _______________________________________________ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list From chan331@hotmail.com Thu May 1 20:30:12 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from hotmail.com (dav16.sea2.hotmail.com [207.68.164.120]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17DC71859D for ; Thu, 1 May 2003 20:30:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 1 May 2003 17:30:11 -0700 Received: from 24.205.208.180 by dav16.sea2.hotmail.com with DAV; Fri, 02 May 2003 00:30:11 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [24.205.208.180] X-Originating-Email: [chan331@hotmail.com] From: "Chang Huang" To: Subject: Re: Problem to open Red hat 8 desktop icons Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 17:29:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C31007.38B7F020" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 May 2003 00:30:11.0383 (UTC) FILETIME=[FDD21C70:01C31041] Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C31007.38B7F020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ali: Thank you tell me that, but it still doesn't work after did those 6 = steps and restart. >On Thu, 2003-05-01 at 01:25, Chang Huang wrote: >> Hi all: >> I had this problem for a month. I did some install and uninstall = software=20 >> with my redhat 8 box. All the sudden, my icons on the desktop = wouldn't work=20 >> any more, every time I double click any one of them (Home, Start = Here,=20 >> Trash), a error massage display: "nautilus has no installed viewer = capable=20 >> of displaying "/home/usrname/.gnom-desktop/starthere.desktop". But if = I=20 >> restart and log in as root or other user, everything goes fine. = Please=20 >> someone help me to solve it! >Hello, >1) login as root >2) cd into your user homedir (not root) >3) rm -rf .nautilus >4) rm -rf .gnome-desktop >5) cd .gconf/apps >6) rm -rf nautilus >Backup important data first e.g. if you have documents or other private >stuff in the .gnome-desktop dir. >Last but not least, I'm not responsible for any damages. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C31007.38B7F020 Content-Type: text/html; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Ali:
Thank you tell me that, but it still = doesn't work=20 after did those 6 steps and restart.
 
 
>On Thu, 2003-05-01 at 01:25, Chang = Huang=20 wrote:
>> Hi all:
>> I had this problem for a month. I = did=20 some install and uninstall software
>> with my redhat 8 box. = All the=20 sudden, my icons on the desktop wouldn't work
>> any more, = every time=20 I double click any one of them (Home, Start Here,
>> Trash), a = error=20 massage display: "nautilus has no installed viewer capable
>> = of=20 displaying "/home/usrname/.gnom-desktop/starthere.desktop". But if I=20
>> restart and log in as root or other user, everything goes = fine.=20 Please
>> someone help me to solve it!
>Hello,
>1) = login=20 as root
>2) cd into your user homedir (not root)
>3) rm -rf=20 .nautilus
>4) rm -rf .gnome-desktop
>5) cd = .gconf/apps
>6) rm=20 -rf nautilus
>Backup important data first e.g. if you have = documents or=20 other private
>stuff in the .gnome-desktop dir.
>Last but = not least,=20 I'm not responsible for any damages.
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C31007.38B7F020-- From mjs@noisehavoc.org Thu May 1 21:39:44 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from chaos.noisehavoc.org (dsl093-167-154.sfo2.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.93.167.154]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F1DC18B6B for ; Thu, 1 May 2003 21:39:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mjs by chaos.noisehavoc.org with local (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 19BP2T-0007Uv-00; Thu, 01 May 2003 18:08:37 -0700 Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 18:08:37 -0700 From: Maciej Stachowiak To: Alexander Larsson Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Nautilus coding style change Message-ID: <20030501180836.A28732@noisehavoc.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from alexl@redhat.com on Wed, Apr 30, 2003 at 12:31:51PM -0400 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On 30Apr2003 12:31PM (-0400), Alexander Larsson wrote: > Dave and I have decided to finally remove the "all local variable > declarations have to go at the top of the function" rule from the Nautilus > coding-style guide. Both of us dislike this rule, and removing it doesn't > really cause any inconsistancies in the formating style of the codebase. > > I'm truely sorry for every patch submitter I've pestered about this > previously, but rest assured that your future patches may scope variables > however you want. > > In other words: ROCK ON! For what it's worth, the original reason for this rule was due to lack of C++-like ability to put a declaration anywhere, only in a block. This made things hard to refactor if you had a declaration at the start of an if block that got rearranged to not be conditional any more. Also, the practice of making a gratuitous block just to declare some morevariables was considered too ugly to use. However, with C99, the entire reason for the rule is obsolete. It should now be possible to put declarations anywehre, so putting them at the start of an if or while block should impose no special problems for others changing the code in the future. Regards, Maciej From jdub@perkypants.org Fri May 2 01:26:32 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-02.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.34]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DC9D318A87 for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 01:26:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9725 invoked from network); 2 May 2003 05:05:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO home.perkypants.org) (203.217.69.112) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 2 May 2003 05:05:49 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by home.perkypants.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B74D08C0EE for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 15:05:46 +1000 (EST) Received: from home.perkypants.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (katia [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12509-10 for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 15:05:46 +1000 (EST) Received: from lazarus.home (lazarus.home [192.168.10.10]) by home.perkypants.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61FFD8C0ED for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 15:05:46 +1000 (EST) Received: by lazarus.home (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D082112B730; Fri, 2 May 2003 15:05:46 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 15:05:46 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Nautilus coding style change Message-ID: <20030502050546.GW31770@lazarus> Mail-Followup-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org References: <20030501180836.A28732@noisehavoc.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030501180836.A28732@noisehavoc.org> Reply-By: Mon May 5 15:04:44 EST 2003 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Operating-System: Linux 2.4.21-pre5 i686 X-Uptime: 15:04:44 up 20 days, 20:34, 4 users, load average: 0.14, 0.06, 0.02 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030314-p1 (Debian) Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > However, with C99, the entire reason for the rule is obsolete. It should > now be possible to put declarations anywehre, so putting them at the start > of an if or while block should impose no special problems for others > changing the code in the future. To my knowledge, you can only do that with GCC 3.x, which might not be an altogether reasonable assumption on our part. We could say it's an absolute dependency, but do we want to? :-) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2004: Adelaide, Australia http://lca2004.linux.org.au/ "Think video. Think text flickering over your walls. Think games at work. Think anything where a staid, link-based browser is useless." "This person wrote for Ab Fab, right?" - Rich Welykochy From mjs@noisehavoc.org Fri May 2 03:00:54 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from chaos.noisehavoc.org (dsl093-167-154.sfo2.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.93.167.154]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB1B618371 for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 03:00:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mjs by chaos.noisehavoc.org with local (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 19BU3I-00081E-00; Thu, 01 May 2003 23:29:48 -0700 Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 23:29:48 -0700 From: Maciej Stachowiak To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Nautilus coding style change Message-ID: <20030501232948.B30548@noisehavoc.org> References: <20030501180836.A28732@noisehavoc.org> <20030502050546.GW31770@lazarus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20030502050546.GW31770@lazarus>; from jdub@perkypants.org on Fri, May 02, 2003 at 03:05:46PM +1000 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On 02May2003 03:05PM (+1000), Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > However, with C99, the entire reason for the rule is obsolete. It should > > now be possible to put declarations anywehre, so putting them at the start > > of an if or while block should impose no special problems for others > > changing the code in the future. > > To my knowledge, you can only do that with GCC 3.x, which might not be an > altogether reasonable assumption on our part. We could say it's an absolute > dependency, but do we want to? :-) Well, C99 is 4 years old now. At some point it's got to be OK to use it. For comparison, when the Linux kernel was originally released, C89 was 2 years old. Not that I care much, since I am not writing any Nautilus code these days. Regards, Maciej From Murray.Cumming@Comneon.com Fri May 2 03:07:29 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp1.infineon.com (smtp1.infineon.com [194.175.117.76]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CC2718C43 for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 03:07:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vihsx03a.vih.infineon.com (vih.ifx-mail3.com [172.31.163.97]) by smtp1.infineon.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h426w1Tm021849; Fri, 2 May 2003 08:58:02 +0200 (MEST) Received: by vihsx03a.vih.infineon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 2 May 2003 09:07:49 +0200 Message-ID: <258B0164D480D5118D900800062B3858FFABEB@vihsx09a.vih.infineon.com> From: Murray.Cumming@Comneon.com To: jdub@perkypants.org, nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: RE: Nautilus coding style change Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 09:07:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > From: Jeff Waugh [mailto:jdub@perkypants.org] > To my knowledge, you can only do that with GCC 3.x, which > might not be an > altogether reasonable assumption on our part. We could say > it's an absolute > dependency, but do we want to? :-) More importantly, it has to work with SUN's Forte compiler too. I guess it does, or someone would have complained already. Murray Cumming murrayc@usa.net www.murrayc.com From reinout@cs.vu.nl Fri May 2 10:25:08 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from sloep110.cs.vu.nl (sloep110.cs.vu.nl [130.37.24.70]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EEBD182DE for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 10:25:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sloep110.cs.vu.nl with esmtp (Smail #86) id m19BbTH-001fu3C; Fri, 2 May 2003 16:25 +0200 Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 16:25:06 +0200 (CEST) From: Reinout van Schouwen To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: question on nautilus message Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hello all, I have a question about this message: #: libnautilus-private/apps_nautilus_preferences.schemas.in.h:1 msgid "" "A list of captions below an icon in the icon view and the desktop. The " "actual number of captions shown depends on the zoom level. Possible values " "are: size, type, date_modified, date_changed, date_accessed, owner, group, " "permissions, octal_permissions and mime_type" - what is the difference between date_modified and date_changed, and does it need to be exposed to the user? - should these terms with underscores be translated or not? eagerly awaiting your reply, -- Reinout van Schouwen Artificial Intelligence student email: reinout@cs.vu.nl mobile phone: +31-6-44360778 MandrakeClub member From menthos@menthos.com Fri May 2 10:40:29 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.g.bonet.se (mail.g.bonet.se [212.181.52.4]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D84F183D8 for ; Fri, 2 May 2003 10:40:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from as2-4-1.for.hs.bonet.se (as2-4-1.for.hs.bonet.se [194.236.236.153]) by mail.g.bonet.se (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h42EeCxb009531; Fri, 2 May 2003 16:40:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from menthos@menthos.com) Subject: Re: question on nautilus message From: Christian Rose To: Reinout van Schouwen Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1051886427.20040.577.camel@stina.menthos.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-5) Date: 02 May 2003 16:40:28 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: fre 2003-05-02 klockan 16.25 skrev Reinout van Schouwen: > #: libnautilus-private/apps_nautilus_preferences.schemas.in.h:1 > msgid "" > "A list of captions below an icon in the icon view and the desktop. The " > "actual number of captions shown depends on the zoom level. Possible values " > "are: size, type, date_modified, date_changed, date_accessed, owner, group, " > "permissions, octal_permissions and mime_type" > > - what is the difference between date_modified and date_changed, and does > it need to be exposed to the user? > > - should these terms with underscores be translated or not? Most likely not. The above message is a schemas message and hence the mentioned values (the ones after the colon in this case) are likely literal values for a gconf key. You might want to report in bugzilla the fact that these values probably should be put inside quotes, to make sure they even more look like literal values and not something that should get translated or otherwise altered. Christian From mypersonal@sina.com Sat May 3 12:20:38 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from sina.com (unknown [202.106.187.156]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A6A8818400 for ; Sat, 3 May 2003 12:20:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 85366 invoked from network); 3 May 2003 16:07:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO zhangyun) (61.149.13.198) by 202.106.187.156 with SMTP; 3 May 2003 16:07:58 -0000 Message-ID: <001201c3118f$ebdbec40$961cfea9@zhangyun> From: "=?gb2312?B?1cXqwA==?=" To: Subject: We should add right mouse menu at tree sidebar Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 00:20:32 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C311D2.F9CF69B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C311D2.F9CF69B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 SGVsbG8sIGV2ZXJ5b25lLg0KDQpJIHRoaW5rIHdlIHNob3VsZCBhZGQgcmlnaHQgbW91c2UgbWVu dSBhdCB0cmVlIHNpZGViYXIgdG8gZG8gZ2VuZXJhbCBmaWxlIGZ1bmN0aW9ucyBzdWNoIGFzIGNv cHksIGN1dCwgcGFzdGUsIGV0Yy4sIGp1c3QgbGlrZSB0aGUgYmVoYXZpb3Igb2YgV2luZG93cyBF eHBsb3Jlci4gQmVjYXVzZSBpbiBtYW55IGNhc2VzLCBpdCBpcyB2ZXJ5IGNvbnZpbmVudCB0byBj b3B5IHRoZSB3aG9sZSBkaXJlY3RvcnkgZnJvbSB0cmVlIHNpZGViYXIuDQo= ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C311D2.F9CF69B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 PCFET0NUWVBFIEhUTUwgUFVCTElDICItLy9XM0MvL0RURCBIVE1MIDQuMCBUcmFuc2l0aW9uYWwv L0VOIj4NCjxIVE1MPjxIRUFEPg0KPE1FVEEgaHR0cC1lcXVpdj1Db250ZW50LVR5cGUgY29udGVu dD0idGV4dC9odG1sOyBjaGFyc2V0PWdiMjMxMiI+DQo8TUVUQSBjb250ZW50PSJNU0hUTUwgNi4w MC4yODAwLjExMDYiIG5hbWU9R0VORVJBVE9SPg0KPFNUWUxFPjwvU1RZTEU+DQo8L0hFQUQ+DQo8 Qk9EWSBiZ0NvbG9yPSNmZmZmZmY+DQo8RElWPjxGT05UIHNpemU9Mj5IZWxsbywgZXZlcnlvbmUu PC9GT05UPjwvRElWPg0KPERJVj48Rk9OVCBzaXplPTI+PC9GT05UPiZuYnNwOzwvRElWPg0KPERJ Vj48Rk9OVCBzaXplPTI+SSB0aGluayB3ZSBzaG91bGQgYWRkIHJpZ2h0IG1vdXNlIG1lbnUgYXQg dHJlZSBzaWRlYmFyIHRvIGRvIA0KZ2VuZXJhbCBmaWxlIGZ1bmN0aW9ucyBzdWNoIGFzIGNvcHks IGN1dCwgcGFzdGUsIGV0Yy4sIGp1c3QgbGlrZSB0aGUgYmVoYXZpb3Igb2YgDQpXaW5kb3dzIEV4 cGxvcmVyLiBCZWNhdXNlIGluIG1hbnkgY2FzZXMsIGl0IGlzIHZlcnkgY29udmluZW50IHRvIGNv cHkgdGhlIHdob2xlIA0KZGlyZWN0b3J5IGZyb20gdHJlZSBzaWRlYmFyLjwvRk9OVD48L0RJVj4N CjxESVY+Jm5ic3A7PC9ESVY+PC9CT0RZPjwvSFRNTD4NCg== ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C311D2.F9CF69B0-- From dave@ximian.com Sat May 3 19:24:08 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [141.154.95.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5C0918369 for ; Sat, 3 May 2003 19:24:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 12120 invoked from network); 3 May 2003 23:24:07 -0000 Received: from dmz.ximian.com (HELO squee.boston.ximian.com) (141.154.95.1) by peabody.ximian.com with RC4-MD5 encrypted SMTP; 3 May 2003 23:24:07 -0000 Subject: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus From: Dave Camp To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-fhTMBUq7Jqc6WHuXV2d3" Organization: Ximian, Inc. Message-Id: <1052004305.6747.97.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.2.99 (Preview Release) Date: 03 May 2003 19:25:05 -0400 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-fhTMBUq7Jqc6WHuXV2d3 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just checked in the following patch to add a Keep Aligned mode to the desktop in nautilus. When you switch to this mode, existing icons will snap to a grid. While in this mode, dropped icons will snap to grid locations automatically. I'd like people to build it and give it a whirl. Some notes on the behavior: * Aligned mode is on by default. * The grid is about half the size of a normal icon space in a normal icon view. This allows more freedom when placing icons, but means that icons won't always be in a strict grid. * Clean up by Name places icons on the grid whether you're in aligned mode or not. The end result is a nicer-looking clean up than before, but it is less compact. If you have compact layout turned on and aligned mode turned off, you'll get the old behavior (in keeping with the "compact mode is small and ugly" philosophy). Thanks, -dave --=-fhTMBUq7Jqc6WHuXV2d3 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=nautilus-snap-6.patch Content-Type: text/x-patch; name=nautilus-snap-6.patch; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Index: ChangeLog =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/ChangeLog,v retrieving revision 1.5795 diff -u -r1.5795 ChangeLog --- ChangeLog 3 May 2003 05:10:35 -0000 1.5795 +++ ChangeLog 3 May 2003 23:21:41 -0000 @@ -1,3 +1,37 @@ +2003-05-03 Dave Camp + + * libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-container.c: (icon_set_size), + (icon_toggle_selected), (snap_position), + (compare_icons_by_position), (placement_grid_new), + (placement_grid_free), (placement_grid_position_is_free), + (placement_grid_mark), (canvas_position_to_grid_position), + (placement_grid_mark_icon), (find_empty_location), (align_icons), + (lay_down_icons_tblr), (nautilus_icon_container_move_icon), + (destroy), (update_stretch_at_idle), (undo_stretching), + (nautilus_icon_container_unstretch), + (nautilus_icon_container_is_keep_aligned), (align_icons_callback), + (unschedule_align_icons), (schedule_align_icons), + (nautilus_icon_container_set_keep_aligned): + * libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-container.h: + * libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-dnd.c: (handle_local_move): + * libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-private.h: + * libnautilus-private/nautilus-metadata.h: + * src/file-manager/fm-desktop-icon-view.c: + (fm_desktop_icon_view_class_init), (real_supports_auto_layout), + (real_supports_keep_aligned): + * src/file-manager/fm-icon-view.c: + (fm_icon_view_supports_keep_aligned), (update_layout_menus), + (get_default_directory_keep_aligned), + (fm_icon_view_get_directory_keep_aligned), + (fm_icon_view_set_directory_keep_aligned), + (real_supports_keep_aligned), (fm_icon_view_begin_loading), + (keep_aligned_state_changed_callback), (fm_icon_view_merge_menus), + (fm_icon_view_reset_to_defaults), (fm_icon_view_class_init): + * src/file-manager/fm-icon-view.h: + * src/file-manager/nautilus-icon-view-ui.xml: + Implemented a "Keep Aligned" mode on the desktop, that snaps icons + to a grid. + 2003-05-03 Masahiro Sakai * configure.in: Call AC_LIBTOOL_WIN32_DLL which is necessary for Index: libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-container.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-container.c,v retrieving revision 1.339 diff -u -r1.339 nautilus-icon-container.c --- libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-container.c 23 Apr 2003 14:31:21 -0000 1.339 +++ libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-container.c 3 May 2003 23:21:42 -0000 @@ -101,9 +101,9 @@ #define STANDARD_ICON_GRID_WIDTH 155 /* Desktop layout mode defines */ -#define DESKTOP_PAD_HORIZONTAL 30 +#define DESKTOP_PAD_HORIZONTAL 10 #define DESKTOP_PAD_VERTICAL 10 -#define CELL_SIZE 20 +#define SNAP_SIZE 78 /* Value used to protect against icons being dragged outside of the desktop bounds */ #define DESKTOP_ICON_SAFETY_PAD 10 @@ -116,6 +116,14 @@ #define MINIMUM_EMBEDDED_TEXT_RECT_WIDTH 20 #define MINIMUM_EMBEDDED_TEXT_RECT_HEIGHT 20 +#define SNAP_HORIZONTAL(func,x) ((func ((double)((x) - DESKTOP_PAD_HORIZONTAL) / SNAP_SIZE) * SNAP_SIZE) + DESKTOP_PAD_HORIZONTAL) +#define SNAP_VERTICAL(func, y) ((func ((double)((y) - DESKTOP_PAD_VERTICAL) / SNAP_SIZE) * SNAP_SIZE) + DESKTOP_PAD_VERTICAL) + +#define SNAP_NEAREST_HORIZONTAL(x) SNAP_HORIZONTAL (eel_round, x) +#define SNAP_NEAREST_VERTICAL(y) SNAP_VERTICAL (eel_round, y) + +#define SNAP_CEIL_HORIZONTAL(x) SNAP_HORIZONTAL (ceil, x) +#define SNAP_CEIL_VERTICAL(y) SNAP_VERTICAL (ceil, y) enum { NAUTILUS_TYPESELECT_FLUSH_DELAY = 1000000 @@ -220,6 +228,15 @@ CLEARED, LAST_SIGNAL }; + +typedef struct { + int **icon_grid; + int *grid_memory; + int num_rows; + int num_columns; + gboolean tight; +} PlacementGrid; + static guint signals[LAST_SIGNAL]; /* Functions dealing with NautilusIcons. */ @@ -335,6 +352,7 @@ icon_set_size (NautilusIconContainer *container, NautilusIcon *icon, guint icon_size, + gboolean snap, gboolean update_position) { guint old_size; @@ -350,8 +368,8 @@ (container->details->zoom_level); nautilus_icon_container_move_icon (container, icon, icon->x, icon->y, - scale, scale, - FALSE, update_position); + scale, scale, FALSE, + snap, update_position); } static void @@ -398,6 +416,15 @@ if (icon == container->details->stretch_icon) { container->details->stretch_icon = NULL; nautilus_icon_canvas_item_set_show_stretch_handles (icon->item, FALSE); + /* snap the icon if necessary */ + if (container->details->keep_aligned) { + nautilus_icon_container_move_icon (container, + icon, + icon->x, icon->y, + icon->scale_x, icon->scale_y, + FALSE, TRUE, TRUE); + } + emit_stretch_ended (container, icon); } @@ -1004,150 +1031,313 @@ g_array_free (positions, TRUE); } -/* Search for available space at location */ -static gboolean -find_open_grid_space (NautilusIcon *icon, int **icon_grid, int num_rows, - int num_columns, int row, int column) -{ - int row_index, column_index; - int x1, x2, y1, y2; - double width, height; - int qwidth, qheight; - - /* Get icon dimensions */ - icon_get_bounding_box (icon, &x1, &y1, &x2, &y2); - - width = (x2 - x1) + DESKTOP_PAD_HORIZONTAL; - height = (y2 - y1) + DESKTOP_PAD_VERTICAL; - - /* Convert to grid coordinates */ - qwidth = ceil (width / CELL_SIZE); - qheight = ceil (height / CELL_SIZE); +static void +snap_position (NautilusIconContainer *container, + NautilusIcon *icon, + int *x, int *y) +{ + int center_x; + int baseline_y; + int icon_width; + int icon_height; + ArtDRect icon_position; + + if (*x < DESKTOP_PAD_HORIZONTAL) { + *x = DESKTOP_PAD_HORIZONTAL; + } - if ((row + qwidth > num_rows) || (column + qheight > num_columns)) { - return FALSE; + if (*y < DESKTOP_PAD_VERTICAL) { + *y = DESKTOP_PAD_VERTICAL; } - qwidth += row; - qheight += column; + icon_position = nautilus_icon_canvas_item_get_icon_rectangle (icon->item); + icon_width = icon_position.x1 - icon_position.x0; + icon_height = icon_position.y1 - icon_position.y0; - for (row_index = row; row_index < qwidth; row_index++) { - for (column_index = column; column_index < qheight; column_index++) { - if (icon_grid [row_index] [column_index] == 1) { - return FALSE; - } - } - } - return TRUE; + center_x = *x + icon_width / 2; + *x = SNAP_NEAREST_HORIZONTAL (center_x) - (icon_width / 2); + + /* Find the grid position vertically and place on the proper baseline */ + baseline_y = *y + icon_height; + baseline_y = SNAP_NEAREST_VERTICAL (baseline_y); + *y = baseline_y - (icon_position.y1 - icon_position.y0); +} + +static int +compare_icons_by_position (gconstpointer a, gconstpointer b) +{ + NautilusIcon *icon_a, *icon_b; + int x1, y1, x2, y2; + int center_a; + int center_b; + + icon_a = (NautilusIcon*)a; + icon_b = (NautilusIcon*)b; + + icon_get_bounding_box (icon_a, &x1, &y1, &x2, &y2); + center_a = x1 + (x2 - x1) / 2; + icon_get_bounding_box (icon_b, &x1, &y1, &x2, &y2); + center_b = x1 + (x2 - x1) / 2; + + return center_a == center_b ? + icon_a->y - icon_b->y : + center_a - center_b; } +static PlacementGrid * +placement_grid_new (NautilusIconContainer *container, gboolean tight) +{ + PlacementGrid *grid; + int width, height; + int num_columns; + int num_rows; + int i; + + /* Get container dimensions */ + width = GTK_WIDGET (container)->allocation.width / + EEL_CANVAS (container)->pixels_per_unit + - container->details->left_margin + - container->details->right_margin; + height = GTK_WIDGET (container)->allocation.height / + EEL_CANVAS (container)->pixels_per_unit + - container->details->top_margin + - container->details->bottom_margin; + + num_columns = width / SNAP_SIZE; + num_rows = height / SNAP_SIZE; + + if (num_columns == 0 || num_rows == 0) { + return NULL; + } + + grid = g_new0 (PlacementGrid, 1); + grid->tight = tight; + grid->num_columns = num_columns; + grid->num_rows = num_rows; + + grid->grid_memory = g_new0 (int, (num_rows * num_columns)); + grid->icon_grid = g_new0 (int *, num_columns); + + for (i = 0; i < num_columns; i++) { + grid->icon_grid[i] = grid->grid_memory + (i * num_rows); + } + + return grid; +} static void -get_best_empty_grid_location (NautilusIcon *icon, int **icon_grid, int num_rows, - int num_columns, int *x, int *y) +placement_grid_free (PlacementGrid *grid) { - gboolean found_space; - int row, column; + g_free (grid->icon_grid); + g_free (grid->grid_memory); + g_free (grid); +} + +static gboolean +placement_grid_position_is_free (PlacementGrid *grid, ArtIRect pos) +{ + int x, y; - g_assert (icon_grid != NULL); - g_assert (x != NULL); - g_assert (y != NULL); - - found_space = FALSE; - - /* Set up default fallback position */ - *x = num_columns * CELL_SIZE; - *y = num_rows * CELL_SIZE; - - /* Find best empty location */ - for (row = 0; row < num_rows; row++) { - for (column = 0; column < num_columns; column++) { - found_space = find_open_grid_space (icon, icon_grid, num_rows, - num_columns, row, column); - if (found_space) { - *x = row * CELL_SIZE; - *y = column * CELL_SIZE; - - /* Correct for padding */ - if (*x < DESKTOP_PAD_HORIZONTAL) { - *x = DESKTOP_PAD_HORIZONTAL; - } - if (*y < DESKTOP_PAD_VERTICAL) { - *y = DESKTOP_PAD_VERTICAL; - } - return; + g_return_val_if_fail (pos.x0 >= 0 && pos.x0 < grid->num_columns, TRUE); + g_return_val_if_fail (pos.y0 >= 0 && pos.y0 < grid->num_rows, TRUE); + g_return_val_if_fail (pos.x1 >= 0 && pos.x1 < grid->num_columns, TRUE); + g_return_val_if_fail (pos.y1 >= 0 && pos.y1 < grid->num_rows, TRUE); + + for (x = pos.x0; x <= pos.x1; x++) { + for (y = pos.y0; y <= pos.y1; y++) { + if (grid->icon_grid[x][y] != 0) { + return FALSE; } - } + } } + + return TRUE; } static void -mark_icon_location_in_grid (NautilusIcon *icon, int **icon_grid, int num_rows, int num_columns) +placement_grid_mark (PlacementGrid *grid, ArtIRect pos) { - int x1, x2, y1, y2; - double width, height; - int qx, qy, qwidth, qheight, qy_index; - int grid_width, grid_height; - - icon_get_bounding_box (icon, &x1, &y1, &x2, &y2); - - width = (x2 - x1) + DESKTOP_PAD_HORIZONTAL; - height = (y2 - y1) + DESKTOP_PAD_VERTICAL; - - /* Convert x and y to our quantized grid value */ - qx = icon->x / CELL_SIZE; - qy = icon->y / CELL_SIZE; - qwidth = ceil (width / CELL_SIZE); - qheight = ceil (height / CELL_SIZE); - - /* Check and correct for edge conditions */ - grid_width = num_rows; - grid_height = num_columns; + int x, y; - if ((qx + qwidth) > grid_width) { - qwidth = grid_width; - } else { - qwidth = qx + qwidth; + g_return_if_fail (pos.x0 >= 0 && pos.x0 < grid->num_columns); + g_return_if_fail (pos.y0 >= 0 && pos.y0 < grid->num_rows); + g_return_if_fail (pos.x1 >= 0 && pos.x1 < grid->num_columns); + g_return_if_fail (pos.y1 >= 0 && pos.y1 < grid->num_rows); + + for (x = pos.x0; x <= pos.x1; x++) { + for (y = pos.y0; y <= pos.y1; y++) { + grid->icon_grid[x][y] = 1; + } } - if ((qy + qheight) > grid_height) { - qheight = grid_height; +} + +static void +canvas_position_to_grid_position (PlacementGrid *grid, + ArtIRect canvas_position, + ArtIRect *grid_position) +{ + /* The first bit of this block will identify all intersections + * that the icon actually crosses. The second bit will mark + * any intersections that the icon is adjacent to. + * The first causes minimal moving around during a snap, but + * can end up with partially overlapping icons. The second one won't + * allow any overlapping, but can cause more movement to happen + * during a snap. */ + if (grid->tight) { + grid_position->x0 = ceil ((double)(canvas_position.x0 - DESKTOP_PAD_HORIZONTAL) / SNAP_SIZE); + grid_position->y0 = ceil ((double)(canvas_position.y0 - DESKTOP_PAD_VERTICAL) / SNAP_SIZE); + grid_position->x1 = floor ((double)(canvas_position.x1 - DESKTOP_PAD_HORIZONTAL) / SNAP_SIZE); + grid_position->y1 = floor ((double)(canvas_position.y1 - DESKTOP_PAD_VERTICAL) / SNAP_SIZE); } else { - qheight = qy + qheight; + grid_position->x0 = floor ((double)(canvas_position.x0 - DESKTOP_PAD_HORIZONTAL) / SNAP_SIZE); + grid_position->y0 = floor ((double)(canvas_position.y0 - DESKTOP_PAD_VERTICAL) / SNAP_SIZE); + grid_position->x1 = ceil ((double)(canvas_position.x1 - DESKTOP_PAD_HORIZONTAL) / SNAP_SIZE); + grid_position->y1 = ceil ((double)(canvas_position.y1 - DESKTOP_PAD_VERTICAL) / SNAP_SIZE); } + + grid_position->x0 = CLAMP (grid_position->x0, 0, grid->num_columns - 1); + grid_position->y0 = CLAMP (grid_position->y0, 0, grid->num_rows - 1); + grid_position->x1 = CLAMP (grid_position->x1, grid_position->x0, grid->num_columns - 1); + grid_position->y1 = CLAMP (grid_position->y1, grid_position->y0, grid->num_rows - 1); +} + +static void +placement_grid_mark_icon (PlacementGrid *grid, NautilusIcon *icon) +{ + ArtIRect icon_pos; + ArtIRect grid_pos; - /* Mark location */ - for (; qx < qwidth; qx++) { - for (qy_index = qy; qy_index < qheight; qy_index++) { - icon_grid [qx] [qy_index] = 1; + icon_get_bounding_box (icon, + &icon_pos.x0, &icon_pos.y0, + &icon_pos.x1, &icon_pos.y1); + canvas_position_to_grid_position (grid, + icon_pos, + &grid_pos); + placement_grid_mark (grid, grid_pos); +} + +static void +find_empty_location (NautilusIconContainer *container, + PlacementGrid *grid, + NautilusIcon *icon, + int start_x, + int start_y, + int *x, + int *y) +{ + double icon_width, icon_height; + int canvas_width; + int canvas_height; + ArtIRect icon_position; + ArtDRect pixbuf_rect; + gboolean collision; + + /* Get container dimensions */ + canvas_width = GTK_WIDGET (container)->allocation.width / + EEL_CANVAS (container)->pixels_per_unit + - container->details->left_margin + - container->details->right_margin; + canvas_height = GTK_WIDGET (container)->allocation.height / + EEL_CANVAS (container)->pixels_per_unit + - container->details->top_margin + - container->details->bottom_margin; + + icon_get_bounding_box (icon, + &icon_position.x0, &icon_position.y0, + &icon_position.x1, &icon_position.y1); + icon_width = icon_position.x1 - icon_position.x0; + icon_height = icon_position.y1 - icon_position.y0; + + pixbuf_rect = nautilus_icon_canvas_item_get_icon_rectangle (icon->item); + + /* Start the icon on a grid location */ + snap_position (container, icon, &start_x, &start_y); + + icon_position.x0 = start_x; + icon_position.y0 = start_y; + icon_position.x1 = icon_position.x0 + icon_width; + icon_position.y1 = icon_position.y0 + icon_height; + + do { + ArtIRect grid_position; + + collision = FALSE; + + canvas_position_to_grid_position (grid, + icon_position, + &grid_position); + + if (!placement_grid_position_is_free (grid, grid_position)) { + icon_position.y0 += SNAP_SIZE; + icon_position.y1 = icon_position.y0 + icon_width; + + if (icon_position.y1 + DESKTOP_PAD_VERTICAL > canvas_height) { + /* Move to the next column */ + icon_position.y0 = DESKTOP_PAD_VERTICAL + SNAP_SIZE - (pixbuf_rect.y1 - pixbuf_rect.y0); + while (icon_position.y0 < DESKTOP_PAD_VERTICAL) { + icon_position.y0 += SNAP_SIZE; + } + icon_position.y1 = icon_position.y0 + icon_width; + + icon_position.x0 += SNAP_SIZE; + icon_position.x1 = icon_position.x0 + icon_height; + } + + collision = TRUE; } - } + } while (collision && (icon_position.x1 < canvas_width)); + + *x = icon_position.x0; + *y = icon_position.y0; } -static void -mark_icon_locations_in_grid (GList *icon_list, int **icon_grid, int num_rows, int num_columns) +static void +align_icons (NautilusIconContainer *container) { - GList *p; - NautilusIcon *icon; + GList *unplaced_icons; + GList *l; + PlacementGrid *grid; + + unplaced_icons = g_list_copy (container->details->icons); - /* Mark filled grid locations */ - for (p = icon_list; p != NULL; p = p->next) { - icon = p->data; - mark_icon_location_in_grid (icon, icon_grid, num_rows, num_columns); + unplaced_icons = g_list_sort (unplaced_icons, + compare_icons_by_position); + + grid = placement_grid_new (container, TRUE); + + if (!grid) { + return; } + + for (l = unplaced_icons; l != NULL; l = l->next) { + NautilusIcon *icon; + int x, y; + + icon = l->data; + x = icon->x; + y = icon->y; + + find_empty_location (container, grid, + icon, x, y, &x, &y); + + icon_set_position (icon, x, y); + + placement_grid_mark_icon (grid, icon); + } + + g_list_free (unplaced_icons); + + placement_grid_free (grid); } static void lay_down_icons_tblr (NautilusIconContainer *container, GList *icons) { GList *p, *placed_icons, *unplaced_icons; - int index, total, new_length, placed; + int total, new_length, placed; NautilusIcon *icon; - int width, height, max_width, icon_width, icon_height; + int width, height, max_width, column_width, icon_width, icon_height; int x, y, x1, x2, y1, y2; - int *grid_memory; - int **icon_grid; - int num_rows, num_columns; - int row, column; ArtDRect icon_rect; /* Get container dimensions */ @@ -1168,6 +1358,7 @@ new_length = g_list_length (icons); placed = total - new_length; if (placed > 0) { + PlacementGrid *grid; /* Add only placed icons in list */ for (p = container->details->icons; p != NULL; p = p->next) { icon = p->data; @@ -1181,54 +1372,40 @@ } placed_icons = g_list_reverse (placed_icons); unplaced_icons = g_list_reverse (unplaced_icons); - - /* Allocate grid array */ - num_rows = width / CELL_SIZE; - num_columns = height / CELL_SIZE; - - /* Allocate array memory */ - grid_memory = malloc (num_rows * num_columns * sizeof (int *)); - g_assert (grid_memory); - - /* Allocate room for the pointers to the rows */ - icon_grid = malloc (num_rows * sizeof (int *)); - g_assert (icon_grid); - - /* Point to array pointers */ - for (index = 0; index < num_rows; index++) { - icon_grid[index] = grid_memory + (index * num_columns); - } - - /* Set all grid values to unfilled */ - for (row = 0; row < num_rows; row++) { - for (column = 0; column < num_columns; column++) { - icon_grid [row] [column] = 0; - } - } - - /* Mark filled grid locations */ - mark_icon_locations_in_grid (placed_icons, icon_grid, num_rows, num_columns); - /* Place unplaced icons in the best locations */ - for (p = unplaced_icons; p != NULL; p = p->next) { - icon = p->data; - get_best_empty_grid_location (icon, icon_grid, num_rows, num_columns, - &x, &y); + grid = placement_grid_new (container, FALSE); - icon_get_bounding_box (icon, &x1, &y1, &x2, &y2); - icon_width = x2 - x1; + if (grid) { + for (p = placed_icons; p != NULL; p = p->next) { + placement_grid_mark_icon + (grid, (NautilusIcon*)p->data); + } - icon_rect = nautilus_icon_canvas_item_get_icon_rectangle (icon->item); + /* Place unplaced icons in the best locations */ + for (p = unplaced_icons; p != NULL; p = p->next) { + icon = p->data; + + icon_rect = nautilus_icon_canvas_item_get_icon_rectangle (icon->item); + icon_get_bounding_box (icon, + &x1, &y1, &x2, &y2); + + /* Start the icon in the first column */ + x = DESKTOP_PAD_HORIZONTAL + SNAP_SIZE - ((x2 - x1) / 2); + y = DESKTOP_PAD_VERTICAL + SNAP_SIZE - (icon_rect.y1 - icon_rect.y0); + + find_empty_location (container, + grid, + icon, + x, y, + &x, &y); + + icon_set_position (icon, x, y); + placement_grid_mark_icon (grid, icon); + } - icon_set_position (icon, - x + (icon_width - (icon_rect.x1 - icon_rect.x0)) / 2, y); - /* Add newly placed icon to grid */ - mark_icon_location_in_grid (icon, icon_grid, num_rows, num_columns); + placement_grid_free (grid); } - - /* Clean up */ - free (icon_grid); - free (grid_memory); + g_list_free (placed_icons); g_list_free (unplaced_icons); } else { @@ -1236,18 +1413,32 @@ x = DESKTOP_PAD_HORIZONTAL; while (icons != NULL) { + int center_x; + int baseline; + gboolean should_snap; + + should_snap = !(container->details->tighter_layout && !container->details->keep_aligned); + y = DESKTOP_PAD_VERTICAL; - max_width = 0; + max_width = 0; + /* Calculate max width for column */ for (p = icons; p != NULL; p = p->next) { icon = p->data; - icon_get_bounding_box (icon, &x1, &y1, &x2, &y2); icon_width = x2 - x1; icon_height = y2 - y1; - + + if (should_snap) { + /* Snap the baseline to a grid position */ + icon_rect = nautilus_icon_canvas_item_get_icon_rectangle (icon->item); + baseline = y + (icon_rect.y1 - icon_rect.y0); + baseline = SNAP_CEIL_VERTICAL (baseline); + y = baseline - (icon_rect.y1 - icon_rect.y0); + } + /* Check and see if we need to move to a new column */ if (y != DESKTOP_PAD_VERTICAL && y > height - icon_height) { break; @@ -1261,6 +1452,15 @@ } y = DESKTOP_PAD_VERTICAL; + + center_x = x + max_width / 2; + column_width = max_width; + if (should_snap) { + /* Find the grid column to center on */ + center_x = SNAP_CEIL_HORIZONTAL (center_x); + column_width = (center_x - x) + (max_width / 2); + } + /* Lay out column */ for (p = icons; p != NULL; p = p->next) { icon = p->data; @@ -1269,15 +1469,21 @@ icon_height = y2 - y1; icon_rect = nautilus_icon_canvas_item_get_icon_rectangle (icon->item); + + if (should_snap) { + baseline = y + (icon_rect.y1 - icon_rect.y0); + baseline = SNAP_CEIL_VERTICAL (baseline); + y = baseline - (icon_rect.y1 - icon_rect.y0); + } /* Check and see if we need to move to a new column */ if (y != DESKTOP_PAD_VERTICAL && y > height - icon_height) { - x += max_width + DESKTOP_PAD_HORIZONTAL; + x += column_width + DESKTOP_PAD_HORIZONTAL; break; } icon_set_position (icon, - x + max_width / 2 - (icon_rect.x1 - icon_rect.x0) / 2, + center_x - (icon_rect.x1 - icon_rect.x0) / 2, y); y += icon_height + DESKTOP_PAD_VERTICAL; @@ -1493,6 +1699,7 @@ int x, int y, double scale_x, double scale_y, gboolean raise, + gboolean snap, gboolean update_position) { NautilusIconContainerDetails *details; @@ -1507,13 +1714,6 @@ end_renaming_mode (container, TRUE); } - if (!details->auto_layout) { - if (x != icon->x || y != icon->y) { - icon_set_position (icon, x, y); - emit_signal = update_position; - } - } - if (scale_x != icon->scale_x || scale_y != icon->scale_y) { icon->scale_x = scale_x; icon->scale_y = scale_y; @@ -1522,7 +1722,17 @@ redo_layout (container); emit_signal = TRUE; } + } + + if (!details->auto_layout) { + if (details->keep_aligned && snap) { + snap_position (container, icon, &x, &y); + } + if (x != icon->x || y != icon->y) { + icon_set_position (icon, x, y); + emit_signal = update_position; + } } if (emit_signal) { @@ -2598,6 +2808,12 @@ g_source_remove (container->details->stretch_idle_id); container->details->stretch_idle_id = 0; } + + if (container->details->align_idle_id != 0) { + g_source_remove (container->details->align_idle_id); + container->details->align_idle_id = 0; + } + nautilus_icon_container_flush_typeselect_state (container); @@ -2985,7 +3201,7 @@ &world_x, &world_y); icon_set_position (icon, world_x, world_y); - icon_set_size (container, icon, stretch_state.icon_size, FALSE); + icon_set_size (container, icon, stretch_state.icon_size, FALSE, FALSE); container->details->stretch_idle_id = 0; @@ -3062,6 +3278,7 @@ icon_set_size (container, stretched_icon, container->details->stretch_initial_size, + TRUE, TRUE); container->details->stretch_icon = NULL; @@ -5113,7 +5330,7 @@ nautilus_icon_container_move_icon (container, icon, icon->x, icon->y, 1.0, 1.0, - FALSE, TRUE); + FALSE, TRUE, TRUE); } } } @@ -5251,6 +5468,57 @@ } } +gboolean +nautilus_icon_container_is_keep_aligned (NautilusIconContainer *container) +{ + return container->details->keep_aligned; +} + +static gboolean +align_icons_callback (gpointer callback_data) +{ + NautilusIconContainer *container; + + container = NAUTILUS_ICON_CONTAINER (callback_data); + align_icons (container); + container->details->align_idle_id = 0; + + return FALSE; +} + +static void +unschedule_align_icons (NautilusIconContainer *container) +{ + if (container->details->align_idle_id != 0) { + g_source_remove (container->details->align_idle_id); + container->details->align_idle_id = 0; + } +} + +static void +schedule_align_icons (NautilusIconContainer *container) +{ + if (container->details->align_idle_id == 0 + && container->details->has_been_allocated) { + container->details->align_idle_id = g_idle_add + (align_icons_callback, container); + } +} + +void +nautilus_icon_container_set_keep_aligned (NautilusIconContainer *container, + gboolean keep_aligned) +{ + if (container->details->keep_aligned != keep_aligned) { + container->details->keep_aligned = keep_aligned; + + if (keep_aligned && !container->details->auto_layout) { + schedule_align_icons (container); + } else { + unschedule_align_icons (container); + } + } +} void nautilus_icon_container_set_layout_mode (NautilusIconContainer *container, Index: libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-container.h =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-container.h,v retrieving revision 1.78 diff -u -r1.78 nautilus-icon-container.h --- libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-container.h 7 Apr 2003 11:56:03 -0000 1.78 +++ libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-container.h 3 May 2003 23:21:42 -0000 @@ -205,6 +205,10 @@ gboolean nautilus_icon_container_is_tighter_layout (NautilusIconContainer *container); void nautilus_icon_container_set_tighter_layout (NautilusIconContainer *container, gboolean tighter_layout); + +gboolean nautilus_icon_container_is_keep_aligned (NautilusIconContainer *container); +void nautilus_icon_container_set_keep_aligned (NautilusIconContainer *container, + gboolean keep_aligned); void nautilus_icon_container_set_layout_mode (NautilusIconContainer *container, NautilusIconLayoutMode mode); void nautilus_icon_container_sort (NautilusIconContainer *container); Index: libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-dnd.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-dnd.c,v retrieving revision 1.130 diff -u -r1.130 nautilus-icon-dnd.c --- libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-dnd.c 23 Apr 2003 09:49:47 -0000 1.130 +++ libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-dnd.c 3 May 2003 23:21:43 -0000 @@ -811,7 +811,7 @@ (container, icon, world_x + item->icon_x, world_y + item->icon_y, icon->scale_x, icon->scale_y, - TRUE, TRUE); + TRUE, TRUE, TRUE); } moved_icons = g_list_prepend (moved_icons, icon); } Index: libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-private.h =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-private.h,v retrieving revision 1.71 diff -u -r1.71 nautilus-icon-private.h --- libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-private.h 27 Mar 2003 12:53:07 -0000 1.71 +++ libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-private.h 3 May 2003 23:21:43 -0000 @@ -177,6 +177,9 @@ /* Idle handler for stretch code */ guint stretch_idle_id; + /* Align idle id */ + guint align_idle_id; + /* DnD info. */ NautilusIconDndInfo *dnd_info; @@ -215,7 +218,10 @@ /* Layout mode */ NautilusIconLayoutMode layout_mode; - /* Set to TRUE after first allocation has been done */ + /* Should the container keep icons aligned to a grid */ + gboolean keep_aligned; + + /* Set to TRUE after first allocation has been done */ gboolean has_been_allocated; /* Is the container fixed or resizable */ @@ -252,6 +258,7 @@ double scale_x, double scale_y, gboolean raise, + gboolean snap, gboolean update_position); void nautilus_icon_container_select_list_unselect_others (NautilusIconContainer *container, GList *icons); Index: libnautilus-private/nautilus-metadata.h =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/libnautilus-private/nautilus-metadata.h,v retrieving revision 1.25 diff -u -r1.25 nautilus-metadata.h --- libnautilus-private/nautilus-metadata.h 19 Dec 2002 19:56:36 -0000 1.25 +++ libnautilus-private/nautilus-metadata.h 3 May 2003 23:21:43 -0000 @@ -53,6 +53,7 @@ #define NAUTILUS_METADATA_KEY_ICON_VIEW_TIGHTER_LAYOUT "icon_view_tighter_layout" #define NAUTILUS_METADATA_KEY_ICON_VIEW_SORT_BY "icon_view_sort_by" #define NAUTILUS_METADATA_KEY_ICON_VIEW_SORT_REVERSED "icon_view_sort_reversed" +#define NAUTILUS_METADATA_KEY_ICON_VIEW_KEEP_ALIGNED "icon_view_keep_aligned" #define NAUTILUS_METADATA_KEY_LIST_VIEW_ZOOM_LEVEL "list_view_zoom_level" #define NAUTILUS_METADATA_KEY_LIST_VIEW_SORT_COLUMN "list_view_sort_column" Index: src/file-manager/fm-desktop-icon-view.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/file-manager/fm-desktop-icon-view.c,v retrieving revision 1.202 diff -u -r1.202 fm-desktop-icon-view.c --- src/file-manager/fm-desktop-icon-view.c 23 Apr 2003 10:49:38 -0000 1.202 +++ src/file-manager/fm-desktop-icon-view.c 3 May 2003 23:21:43 -0000 @@ -121,6 +121,7 @@ FMDesktopIconView *icon_view); static void update_desktop_directory (UpdateType type); static gboolean real_supports_auto_layout (FMIconView *view); +static gboolean real_supports_keep_aligned (FMIconView *view); static void real_merge_menus (FMDirectoryView *view); static void real_update_menus (FMDirectoryView *view); static gboolean real_supports_zooming (FMDirectoryView *view); @@ -300,6 +301,7 @@ FM_DIRECTORY_VIEW_CLASS (class)->supports_zooming = real_supports_zooming; FM_ICON_VIEW_CLASS (class)->supports_auto_layout = real_supports_auto_layout; + FM_ICON_VIEW_CLASS (class)->supports_keep_aligned = real_supports_keep_aligned; } static void @@ -1470,6 +1472,12 @@ * fixed-size window. */ return FALSE; +} + +static gboolean +real_supports_keep_aligned (FMIconView *view) +{ + return TRUE; } static gboolean Index: src/file-manager/fm-icon-view.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/file-manager/fm-icon-view.c,v retrieving revision 1.278 diff -u -r1.278 fm-icon-view.c --- src/file-manager/fm-icon-view.c 7 Apr 2003 11:56:04 -0000 1.278 +++ src/file-manager/fm-icon-view.c 3 May 2003 23:21:43 -0000 @@ -98,10 +98,12 @@ #define COMMAND_TIGHTER_LAYOUT "/commands/Tighter Layout" #define COMMAND_SORT_REVERSED "/commands/Reversed Order" #define COMMAND_CLEAN_UP "/commands/Clean Up" +#define COMMAND_KEEP_ALIGNED "/commands/Keep Aligned" #define ID_MANUAL_LAYOUT "Manual Layout" #define ID_TIGHTER_LAYOUT "Tighter Layout" #define ID_SORT_REVERSED "Reversed Order" +#define ID_KEEP_ALIGNED "Keep Aligned" typedef struct { NautilusFileSortType sort_type; @@ -578,6 +580,16 @@ supports_auto_layout, (view)); } +static gboolean +fm_icon_view_supports_keep_aligned (FMIconView *view) +{ + g_return_val_if_fail (FM_IS_ICON_VIEW (view), FALSE); + + return EEL_CALL_METHOD_WITH_RETURN_VALUE + (FM_ICON_VIEW_CLASS, view, + supports_keep_aligned, (view)); +} + static void update_layout_menus (FMIconView *view) { @@ -617,6 +629,18 @@ nautilus_bonobo_set_sensitive (view->details->ui, COMMAND_CLEAN_UP, !is_auto_layout); + + nautilus_bonobo_set_hidden (view->details->ui, + COMMAND_KEEP_ALIGNED, + !fm_icon_view_supports_keep_aligned (view)); + + nautilus_bonobo_set_toggle_state + (view->details->ui, COMMAND_KEEP_ALIGNED, + nautilus_icon_container_is_keep_aligned (get_icon_container (view))); + + nautilus_bonobo_set_sensitive + (view->details->ui, COMMAND_KEEP_ALIGNED, !is_auto_layout); + bonobo_ui_component_thaw (view->details->ui, NULL); } @@ -753,6 +777,41 @@ sort_reversed); } +static gboolean +get_default_directory_keep_aligned (void) +{ + return TRUE; +} + +static gboolean +fm_icon_view_get_directory_keep_aligned (FMIconView *icon_view, + NautilusFile *file) +{ + if (!fm_icon_view_supports_keep_aligned (icon_view)) { + return FALSE; + } + + return nautilus_file_get_boolean_metadata + (file, + NAUTILUS_METADATA_KEY_ICON_VIEW_KEEP_ALIGNED, + get_default_directory_keep_aligned ()); +} + +static void +fm_icon_view_set_directory_keep_aligned (FMIconView *icon_view, + NautilusFile *file, + gboolean keep_aligned) +{ + if (!fm_icon_view_supports_keep_aligned (icon_view)) { + return; + } + + nautilus_file_set_boolean_metadata + (file, NAUTILUS_METADATA_KEY_ICON_VIEW_KEEP_ALIGNED, + get_default_directory_keep_aligned (), + keep_aligned); +} + /* maintainence of auto layout boolean */ static gboolean default_directory_manual_layout = FALSE; @@ -880,6 +939,14 @@ } static gboolean +real_supports_keep_aligned (FMIconView *view) +{ + g_return_val_if_fail (FM_IS_ICON_VIEW (view), FALSE); + + return FALSE; +} + +static gboolean set_sort_reversed (FMIconView *icon_view, gboolean new_value) { if (icon_view->details->sort_reversed == new_value) { @@ -1005,6 +1072,9 @@ /* Set the sort direction from the metadata. */ set_sort_reversed (icon_view, fm_icon_view_get_directory_sort_reversed (icon_view, file)); + nautilus_icon_container_set_keep_aligned + (get_icon_container (icon_view), + fm_icon_view_get_directory_keep_aligned (icon_view, file)); nautilus_icon_container_set_tighter_layout (get_icon_container (icon_view), fm_icon_view_get_directory_tighter_layout (icon_view, file)); @@ -1287,6 +1357,37 @@ } static void +keep_aligned_state_changed_callback (BonoboUIComponent *component, + const char *path, + Bonobo_UIComponent_EventType type, + const char *state, + gpointer user_data) +{ + FMIconView *icon_view; + NautilusFile *file; + gboolean keep_aligned; + + g_assert (strcmp (path, ID_KEEP_ALIGNED) == 0); + + icon_view = FM_ICON_VIEW (user_data); + + if (strcmp (state, "") == 0) { + /* State goes blank when component is removed; ignore this. */ + return; + } + + keep_aligned = strcmp (state, "1") == 0 ? TRUE : FALSE; + + file = fm_directory_view_get_directory_as_file (FM_DIRECTORY_VIEW (icon_view)); + fm_icon_view_set_directory_keep_aligned (icon_view, + file, + keep_aligned); + + nautilus_icon_container_set_keep_aligned (get_icon_container (icon_view), + keep_aligned); +} + +static void switch_to_manual_layout (FMIconView *icon_view) { if (!fm_icon_view_using_auto_layout (icon_view)) { @@ -1393,6 +1494,7 @@ bonobo_ui_component_add_listener (icon_view->details->ui, ID_TIGHTER_LAYOUT, tighter_layout_state_changed_callback, view); bonobo_ui_component_add_listener (icon_view->details->ui, ID_SORT_REVERSED, sort_reversed_state_changed_callback, view); + bonobo_ui_component_add_listener (icon_view->details->ui, ID_KEEP_ALIGNED, keep_aligned_state_changed_callback, view); icon_view->details->menus_ready = TRUE; bonobo_ui_component_freeze (icon_view->details->ui, NULL); @@ -1472,6 +1574,8 @@ set_sort_criterion (icon_view, get_sort_criterion_by_sort_type (get_default_sort_order ())); set_sort_reversed (icon_view, get_default_sort_in_reverse_order ()); + nautilus_icon_container_set_keep_aligned + (icon_container, get_default_directory_keep_aligned ()); nautilus_icon_container_set_tighter_layout (icon_container, get_default_directory_tighter_layout ()); @@ -2520,6 +2624,7 @@ klass->clean_up = fm_icon_view_real_clean_up; klass->supports_auto_layout = real_supports_auto_layout; + klass->supports_keep_aligned = real_supports_keep_aligned; klass->get_directory_auto_layout = fm_icon_view_real_get_directory_auto_layout; klass->get_directory_sort_by = fm_icon_view_real_get_directory_sort_by; klass->get_directory_sort_reversed = fm_icon_view_real_get_directory_sort_reversed; Index: src/file-manager/fm-icon-view.h =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/file-manager/fm-icon-view.h,v retrieving revision 1.12 diff -u -r1.12 fm-icon-view.h --- src/file-manager/fm-icon-view.h 4 Feb 2003 10:36:21 -0000 1.12 +++ src/file-manager/fm-icon-view.h 3 May 2003 23:21:43 -0000 @@ -84,6 +84,12 @@ */ gboolean (* supports_auto_layout) (FMIconView *view); + /* supports_auto_layout is a function pointer that subclasses may + * override to control whether snap-to-grid mode + * should be enabled. The default implementation returns FALSE. + */ + gboolean (* supports_keep_aligned) (FMIconView *view); + }; /* GObject support */ Index: src/file-manager/nautilus-icon-view-ui.xml =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/file-manager/nautilus-icon-view-ui.xml,v retrieving revision 1.23 diff -u -r1.23 nautilus-icon-view-ui.xml --- src/file-manager/nautilus-icon-view-ui.xml 5 Jul 2002 20:37:24 -0000 1.23 +++ src/file-manager/nautilus-icon-view-ui.xml 3 May 2003 23:21:44 -0000 @@ -24,6 +24,9 @@ + @@ -78,6 +81,9 @@ + @@ -108,6 +114,7 @@ id="Sort by Emblems"/> + @@ -115,7 +122,11 @@ id="Reversed Order" type="toggle"/> + + --=-fhTMBUq7Jqc6WHuXV2d3-- From aliakc@web.de Sat May 3 20:03:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp02.web.de [217.72.192.151]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DB5518106 for ; Sat, 3 May 2003 20:03:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [80.130.15.131] (helo=p50820F83.dip.t-dialin.net) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.97 #53) id 19C6yt-0000un-00 for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Sun, 04 May 2003 02:03:52 +0200 Subject: Re: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus From: Ali Akcaagac To: nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1052004305.6747.97.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> References: <1052004305.6747.97.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1052006608.27404.1.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 04 May 2003 02:03:28 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sun, 2003-05-04 at 01:25, Dave Camp wrote: > I just checked in the following patch to add a Keep Aligned mode to the > desktop in nautilus. When you switch to this mode, existing icons will > snap to a grid. While in this mode, dropped icons will snap to grid > locations automatically. I'd like people to build it and give it a > whirl. Wow, this was a pretty long requested feature. I haven't tested it yet but I wanted to thank you for taking the time creating it. Greets, Ali Akcaagac From jdub@perkypants.org Sun May 4 00:18:56 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-04.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.36]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 54A9D18162 for ; Sun, 4 May 2003 00:18:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 14264 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 04:18:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO home.perkypants.org) (203.217.69.112) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 4 May 2003 04:18:49 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by home.perkypants.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 161AA8C0EE for ; Sun, 4 May 2003 14:18:52 +1000 (EST) Received: from home.perkypants.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (katia [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02426-02 for ; Sun, 4 May 2003 14:18:51 +1000 (EST) Received: from lazarus.home (lazarus.home [192.168.10.10]) by home.perkypants.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A89FA8C0ED for ; Sun, 4 May 2003 14:18:51 +1000 (EST) Received: by lazarus.home (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B60FE12B6A8; Sun, 4 May 2003 14:18:48 +1000 (EST) Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 14:18:48 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus Message-ID: <20030504041848.GF2836@lazarus> Mail-Followup-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org References: <1052004305.6747.97.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1052004305.6747.97.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Reply-By: Wed May 7 14:15:12 EST 2003 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Operating-System: Linux 2.4.21-rc1 i686 X-Uptime: 14:15:12 up 20:38, 4 users, load average: 0.30, 0.09, 0.03 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030314-p1 (Debian) Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > * Aligned mode is on by default. > > * The grid is about half the size of a normal icon space in a normal icon > view. This allows more freedom when placing icons, but means that icons > won't always be in a strict grid. (This is basically the same as the old Mac OS staggered mode, which is really cool. Much better use of space.) > * Clean up by Name places icons on the grid whether you're in aligned mode > or not. The end result is a nicer-looking clean up than before, but it is > less compact. I guarantee the next round of requests will be for "clean up without sorting"... ;-) > If you have compact layout turned on and aligned mode turned off, you'll > get the old behavior (in keeping with the "compact mode is small and ugly" > philosophy). I find that using non-compact mode wastes a heck of a lot of space. Why do you say compact mode is "small and ugly"? Could a compromise be found so we can remove these mostly silly modes? Thanks heaps for doing this, I've been using your testing patch from a few days ago, and it works really well. Can't wait for your 2.3 release. :-) - Jeff -- GU4DEC: June 16th-18th in Dublin, Ireland http://www.guadec.org/ Markets are what you sell bubbly health drinks, fluorescent blow up furniture and mobile phone ring melodies to. From gavrilus@tiscalinet.it Sun May 4 05:32:48 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from alfa.fastwebnet.it (unknown [213.140.2.42]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00311180EE for ; Sun, 4 May 2003 05:32:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [23.15.109.75] (23.15.109.75) by alfa.fastwebnet.it (6.7.016) id 3EAF5CEF00064E3E for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Sun, 4 May 2003 11:32:46 +0200 Subject: Re: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus From: Gavrila To: Nautilus List In-Reply-To: <20030504041848.GF2836@lazarus> References: <1052004305.6747.97.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> <20030504041848.GF2836@lazarus> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1052040766.523.0.camel@Kreuzberg> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.4 Date: 04 May 2003 11:32:46 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: How can I apply the patch? -- Gavrila Linux Registered User Linux Registered Machine Powered by Debian[SiD] From rees@netnam.vn Sun May 4 11:55:02 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from ns3.netnam.vn (unknown [203.162.7.80]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C7F618184 for ; Sun, 4 May 2003 11:55:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netnam.vn (ci75_254.netnam.vn [203.162.75.254] (may be forged)) by ns3.netnam.vn (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h44Fv8p26453; Sun, 4 May 2003 22:57:28 +0700 Message-ID: <3EB537F7.7090908@netnam.vn> Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 22:55:35 +0700 From: Darryl Rees User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gavrila Cc: Nautilus List Subject: Re: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus References: <1052004305.6747.97.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> <20030504041848.GF2836@lazarus> <1052040766.523.0.camel@Kreuzberg> In-Reply-To: <1052040766.523.0.camel@Kreuzberg> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Gavrila wrote: >How can I apply the patch? > > Build from CVS HEAD. The patch is already in there... Darryl. From ben@xsusio.com Sun May 4 12:16:02 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from ms-smtp-01.texas.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.texas.rr.com [24.93.36.229]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82EFA185FA for ; Sun, 4 May 2003 12:16:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xsusio.com (cs24162123-191.hot.rr.com [24.162.123.191]) by ms-smtp-01.texas.rr.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h44GG08b020670; Sun, 4 May 2003 11:16:01 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3EB53CC0.1060604@xsusio.com> Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 11:16:00 -0500 From: Ben Davis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030317 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Cc: Dave Camp Subject: Re: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus References: <1052004305.6747.97.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> In-Reply-To: <1052004305.6747.97.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is definately a long-awaited fix.. I can't beleive it's actually taken this long for something to happen :-). Before things become too concrete, here is my opinion on how things should be implemented: When you right click the desktop, instead of "clean up by name" how about simply "arrange icons" In a nautilus preferences menu there should be these options for arranging icons: * Auto arrange icons (snap-to-grid) [y/n] * Icon spacing [ pixel value, slidebar ] * sort by [type, name, etc] * do not show "Home" icon [y/n] * do not show "Trash" icon [y/n] * allow user to specify "fixed" icons, for instance, "home" icon stays at (x,x) position, "trash" icon stays at (x,x) position, "Documents icon stays at (x,x) position" I realize that GNOME has the tendancy to include as little customization options as possible. While this is a good approch, I think there are ways you can have a clean look without sacrificing options. What we need is to have multi-level preferences, at the least, a standard and advanced set of prefs, where the advanced preferences are initially hidden from the user. An even more advanced user should be given the option to tweak config files for all of those off-the-wall preferences. Using a layered approach to user preferences is a great way to cater to both novice and advanced computer users. If you cater only to novice users, then you lose the advanced ones to competition... That said, GNOME is doing a marvelous job, and it has unlimited potential. If done right, it could really help to entice computer users to start using open software for every-day computing. From dave@ximian.com Sun May 4 12:23:47 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [141.154.95.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21AC618588 for ; Sun, 4 May 2003 12:23:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 23438 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 16:23:43 -0000 Received: from dmz.ximian.com (HELO squee.boston.ximian.com) (141.154.95.1) by peabody.ximian.com with RC4-MD5 encrypted SMTP; 4 May 2003 16:23:43 -0000 Subject: Re: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus From: Dave Camp To: Jeff Waugh Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20030504041848.GF2836@lazarus> References: <1052004305.6747.97.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> <20030504041848.GF2836@lazarus> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Ximian, Inc. Message-Id: <1052065488.21798.126.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.2.99 (Preview Release) Date: 04 May 2003 12:24:48 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sun, 2003-05-04 at 00:18, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > * Clean up by Name places icons on the grid whether you're in aligned mode > > or not. The end result is a nicer-looking clean up than before, but it is > > less compact. > > I guarantee the next round of requests will be for "clean up without > sorting"... ;-) What do you mean exactly? Clean Up like the current Clean Up By Name, that puts everything in rows? Or something that snaps a non-gridded desktop to a grid? > > If you have compact layout turned on and aligned mode turned off, you'll > > get the old behavior (in keeping with the "compact mode is small and ugly" > > philosophy). > > I find that using non-compact mode wastes a heck of a lot of space. Why do > you say compact mode is "small and ugly"? Could a compromise be found so we > can remove these mostly silly modes? It might be possible to do something. The current width of a column in non-compact mode is 155 pixels. The max text width is 135, the max icon width is 96. As an experiment I dropped the max text width to 96, and the max column width to 116. This was still a nice grid (on a directory with some thumbnails and stuff). There are two problems with doing this: First, it's more likely that emblem attachments will make an icon too big to fit in a column. Since the max icon size is 96 (this usually happens with thumbnails), if you add emblems that don't fit all the way inside the icon you get too big for the column and you have to relayout. It might be possible to fix this by not taking emblems into account when doing layout. Second, the smaller the text gets horizontally, the larger it will get vertically. Changing that pixel size caused a few of my normal icons to wrap. Maybe it's worth it though. From dave@ximian.com Sun May 4 12:31:12 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [141.154.95.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDA07185E7 for ; Sun, 4 May 2003 12:31:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 23670 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 16:31:12 -0000 Received: from dmz.ximian.com (HELO squee.boston.ximian.com) (141.154.95.1) by peabody.ximian.com with RC4-MD5 encrypted SMTP; 4 May 2003 16:31:12 -0000 Subject: Re: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus From: Dave Camp To: Ben Davis Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <3EB53CC0.1060604@xsusio.com> References: <1052004305.6747.97.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> <3EB53CC0.1060604@xsusio.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Ximian, Inc. Message-Id: <1052065937.21798.133.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.2.99 (Preview Release) Date: 04 May 2003 12:32:17 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sun, 2003-05-04 at 12:16, Ben Davis wrote: > This is definately a long-awaited fix.. I can't beleive it's actually > taken this long for something to happen :-). > Before things become too concrete, here is my opinion on how things > should be implemented: > > When you right click the desktop, instead of "clean up by name" how > about simply "arrange icons" I'd like the usability people to comment on specific string changes. > In a nautilus preferences menu there should be these options for > arranging icons: > * Auto arrange icons (snap-to-grid) [y/n] I don't know if this needs to be a pref in the dialog, it's in the context menu for the desktop, and (for right now) it only affects the desktop. > * Icon spacing [ pixel value, slidebar ] If people need to tweak their icon spacing, we're doing something wrong (see the response I sent to jeff) > * sort by [type, name, etc] > * do not show "Home" icon [y/n] > * do not show "Trash" icon [y/n] I'm not sure how useful these would be to most people. > * allow user to specify "fixed" icons, for instance, "home" icon > stays at (x,x) position, > "trash" icon stays at (x,x) position, "Documents icon stays at > (x,x) position" Getting a good ui for this sort of thing seems tough. I think it would be kinda neat to have a desktop layout mode that put special icons in special places, but I haven't thought much about the best way to do that. > > I realize that GNOME has the tendancy to include as little customization > options as possible. While this is a good approch, I think there are > ways you can have a clean look without sacrificing options. What we > need is to have multi-level preferences, at the least, a standard and > advanced set of prefs, where the advanced preferences are initially > hidden from the user. An even more advanced user should be given the > option to tweak config files for all of those off-the-wall preferences. > Using a layered approach to user preferences is a great way to cater to > both novice and advanced computer users. If you cater only to novice > users, then you lose the advanced ones to competition... > This has been discussed over and over, and I don't want to start another discussion of it here. > That said, GNOME is doing a marvelous job, and it has unlimited > potential. If done right, it could really help to entice computer users > to start using open software for every-day computing. Thanks :) -dave From jdub@perkypants.org Sun May 4 12:35:23 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-07.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.39]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AD644182C6 for ; Sun, 4 May 2003 12:35:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2122 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 16:35:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO home.perkypants.org) (203.217.69.112) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 4 May 2003 16:35:12 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by home.perkypants.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22A308C0EE for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 02:35:10 +1000 (EST) Received: from home.perkypants.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (katia [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12190-04 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 02:35:09 +1000 (EST) Received: from lazarus.home (lazarus.home [192.168.10.10]) by home.perkypants.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B99868C0ED for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 02:35:09 +1000 (EST) Received: by lazarus.home (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DADE812B6A9; Mon, 5 May 2003 02:35:06 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 02:35:06 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus Message-ID: <20030504163506.GC2836@lazarus> Mail-Followup-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org References: <1052004305.6747.97.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> <20030504041848.GF2836@lazarus> <1052065488.21798.126.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1052065488.21798.126.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Reply-By: Thu May 8 02:31:55 EST 2003 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.4.21-rc1 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 02:31:55 up 1 day, 8:55, 3 users, load average: 1.56, 1.71, 1.02 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030314-p1 (Debian) Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > > I guarantee the next round of requests will be for "clean up without > > sorting"... ;-) > > What do you mean exactly? Clean Up like the current Clean Up By Name, > that puts everything in rows? Or something that snaps a non-gridded > desktop to a grid? The latter. > > I find that using non-compact mode wastes a heck of a lot of space. Why do > > you say compact mode is "small and ugly"? Could a compromise be found so we > > can remove these mostly silly modes? > > It might be possible to do something. > It might be possible to fix this by not taking emblems into > account when doing layout. That would probably not suck... Good idea. > Second, the smaller the text gets horizontally, the larger it will get > vertically. Changing that pixel size caused a few of my normal icons to > wrap. Maybe it's worth it though. In compact mode, almost all of my icon labels wrap, so it wouldn't bother me. ;-) Is that one of the things you think is ugly? - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2004: Adelaide, Australia http://lca2004.linux.org.au/ "One World, one Web, one Browser." - Microsoft promotion "Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fuhrer." - Adolf Hitler From menthos@gnome.org Sun May 4 12:40:52 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.g.bonet.se (mail.g.bonet.se [212.181.52.4]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37302180E3 for ; Sun, 4 May 2003 12:40:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from as2-4-1.for.hs.bonet.se (as2-4-1.for.hs.bonet.se [194.236.236.153]) by mail.g.bonet.se (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h44GeVxb028132; Sun, 4 May 2003 18:40:33 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from menthos@gnome.org) Subject: Re: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus From: Christian Rose To: Ben Davis Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <3EB53CC0.1060604@xsusio.com> References: <1052004305.6747.97.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> <3EB53CC0.1060604@xsusio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Organization: Message-Id: <1052066453.14991.135.camel@stina.menthos.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-5) Date: 04 May 2003 18:40:53 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: sön 2003-05-04 klockan 18.16 skrev Ben Davis: > > I realize that GNOME has the tendancy to include as little customization > options as possible. While this is a good approch, I think there are > ways you can have a clean look without sacrificing options. What we > need is to have multi-level preferences, at the least, a standard and > advanced set of prefs, where the advanced preferences are initially > hidden from the user. This is from what I can see basically a "user level" approach that you are suggesting. In fact, Nautilus had user levels at one time in the past, with more "advanced" preferences and behavior in the higher user levels. This approach turned out to have its own share of problems though, and you can find all the gory details in the archives of this and other lists (the usability one for example). It's a topic that has been brought up and explained countless times. Basically many users didn't understand how the choice of user levels affected the application, or even that it affected the application, or that the choice could be altered later. Also, many people tend to classify themselves wrongly (i.e. more or less of an expert than they really are) and some even are intimitated by having to classify themselves. So user levels caused possibly even greater problems than they were intended to solve, and were in the end also removed. > An even more advanced user should be given the > option to tweak config files for all of those off-the-wall preferences. GNOME already has that, with the choice of configuring documented gconf settings for more or less exotic behavior in many cases. > That said, GNOME is doing a marvelous job, and it has unlimited > potential. If done right, it could really help to entice computer users > to start using open software for every-day computing. :-) Christian From dave@ximian.com Sun May 4 12:54:15 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [141.154.95.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B999180E3 for ; Sun, 4 May 2003 12:54:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 24721 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 16:54:15 -0000 Received: from dmz.ximian.com (HELO squee.boston.ximian.com) (141.154.95.1) by peabody.ximian.com with RC4-MD5 encrypted SMTP; 4 May 2003 16:54:15 -0000 Subject: Re: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus From: Dave Camp To: Jeff Waugh Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20030504163506.GC2836@lazarus> References: <1052004305.6747.97.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> <20030504041848.GF2836@lazarus> <1052065488.21798.126.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> <20030504163506.GC2836@lazarus> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Ximian, Inc. Message-Id: <1052067319.21798.137.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.2.99 (Preview Release) Date: 04 May 2003 12:55:20 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sun, 2003-05-04 at 12:35, Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > > I guarantee the next round of requests will be for "clean up without > > > sorting"... ;-) > > > > What do you mean exactly? Clean Up like the current Clean Up By Name, > > that puts everything in rows? Or something that snaps a non-gridded > > desktop to a grid? > > The latter. Switching to Keep Aligned mode should do this (although it's not perfect yet). > > Second, the smaller the text gets horizontally, the larger it will get > > vertically. Changing that pixel size caused a few of my normal icons to > > wrap. Maybe it's worth it though. > > In compact mode, almost all of my icon labels wrap, so it wouldn't bother > me. ;-) Is that one of the things you think is ugly? Yeah :). http://primates.ximian.com/~dave/screenshots/Screenshot-NautilusTighter.png shows the icon container with these changes. -dave From jdub@perkypants.org Sun May 4 13:00:19 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-05.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.37]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CC04E180E3 for ; Sun, 4 May 2003 13:00:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15510 invoked from network); 4 May 2003 17:00:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO home.perkypants.org) (203.217.69.112) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 4 May 2003 17:00:14 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by home.perkypants.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 554548C0EE for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 03:00:13 +1000 (EST) Received: from home.perkypants.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (katia [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25661-05 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 03:00:13 +1000 (EST) Received: from lazarus.home (lazarus.home [192.168.10.10]) by home.perkypants.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDA558C0ED for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 03:00:12 +1000 (EST) Received: by lazarus.home (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1D80C12B6A9; Mon, 5 May 2003 03:00:10 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 03:00:10 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus Message-ID: <20030504170010.GF2836@lazarus> Mail-Followup-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org References: <1052004305.6747.97.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> <20030504041848.GF2836@lazarus> <1052065488.21798.126.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> <20030504163506.GC2836@lazarus> <1052067319.21798.137.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1052067319.21798.137.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Reply-By: Thu May 8 02:58:19 EST 2003 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.4.21-rc1 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 02:58:19 up 1 day, 9:21, 4 users, load average: 0.26, 0.18, 0.30 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030314-p1 (Debian) Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > > > > I guarantee the next round of requests will be for "clean up without > > > > sorting"... ;-) > > > > > > What do you mean exactly? Clean Up like the current Clean Up By Name, > > > that puts everything in rows? Or something that snaps a non-gridded > > > desktop to a grid? > > > > The latter. > > Switching to Keep Aligned mode should do this (although it's not perfect > yet). But as an action, rather than as a... er... reaction. ;-) ie. "clean up", rather than "clean up by name" (which also sorts), as a menu action, not as something that happens when you move files around. > > In compact mode, almost all of my icon labels wrap, so it wouldn't bother > > me. ;-) Is that one of the things you think is ugly? > > Yeah :). > > http://primates.ximian.com/~dave/screenshots/Screenshot-NautilusTighter.png shows the icon container with these changes. Looks cool, and tempting for a compact mode crackhead like me. :-) - Jeff -- GU4DEC: June 16th-18th in Dublin, Ireland http://www.guadec.org/ "Everything I knew about TCP/IP I had downloaded the same day I started hacking the net code." - Alan Cox From rees@netnam.vn Sun May 4 13:38:50 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from ns3.netnam.vn (unknown [203.162.7.80]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2E3F181B8 for ; Sun, 4 May 2003 13:38:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netnam.vn (ci75_26.netnam.vn [203.162.75.26] (may be forged)) by ns3.netnam.vn (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h44HfAp28575; Mon, 5 May 2003 00:41:11 +0700 Message-ID: <3EB5502E.3040503@netnam.vn> Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 00:38:54 +0700 From: Darryl Rees User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Camp Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus References: <1052004305.6747.97.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> <20030504041848.GF2836@lazarus> <1052065488.21798.126.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> In-Reply-To: <1052065488.21798.126.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Dave Camp wrote: >Second, the smaller the text gets horizontally, the larger it will get >vertically. Changing that pixel size caused a few of my normal icons to >wrap. Maybe it's worth it though. > Praps it needs to resort to an ellipsis if it wraps to 10 lines or so... :-) Seriously, it looks bad when you have a stupidly long filename. Another thing you could do is use less 'nice' wrapping when the filename is extremely long (instead of trying to break on spaces and hyphens). Darryl. From rees@netnam.vn Sun May 4 13:47:39 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from ns3.netnam.vn (unknown [203.162.7.80]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2371E181B8 for ; Sun, 4 May 2003 13:47:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netnam.vn (ci75_203.netnam.vn [203.162.75.203] (may be forged)) by ns3.netnam.vn (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h44Ho5p28760 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 00:50:05 +0700 Message-ID: <3EB55245.1090700@netnam.vn> Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 00:47:49 +0700 From: Darryl Rees User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus References: <1052004305.6747.97.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> <20030504041848.GF2836@lazarus> <1052065488.21798.126.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> In-Reply-To: <1052065488.21798.126.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > > >First, it's more likely that emblem attachments will make an icon too >big to fit in a column. Since the max icon size is 96 (this usually >happens with thumbnails), if you add emblems that don't fit all the way >inside the icon you get too big for the column and you have to >relayout. It might be possible to fix this by not taking emblems into >account when doing layout. > > Thumbnails always look uncomfortably large wrt to standard icons to me (especially if they are thumbs for tall images). Darryl. From ben@xsusio.com Sun May 4 14:58:07 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from ms-smtp-02.texas.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.texas.rr.com [24.93.36.230]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E19841814F for ; Sun, 4 May 2003 14:58:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xsusio.com (cs24162123-191.hot.rr.com [24.162.123.191]) by ms-smtp-02.texas.rr.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h44Iw5nV023996; Sun, 4 May 2003 13:58:05 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3EB562BD.6040109@xsusio.com> Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 13:58:05 -0500 From: Ben Davis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030317 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Camp Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus References: <1052004305.6747.97.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> <3EB53CC0.1060604@xsusio.com> <1052065937.21798.133.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> In-Reply-To: <1052065937.21798.133.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > > >> * sort by [type, name, etc] >> * do not show "Home" icon [y/n] >> * do not show "Trash" icon [y/n] >> >> > >I'm not sure how useful these would be to most people. > > I've seen quite a few posts in other forums where people are wondering how they can remove the "home" and "trash" Icons, or possibly rename them.... Also I would love to be able to arrange my desktop icons by type rather than by name. Since icon appearance is determined by type, it's much easier to find one when they're sorted by type.. Are we ever going to have the ability to "clean up by ____" whether it be name, type, size, or whatever?? What about having a right-click option that says "Clean up by... " and have a sub-menu that lists all the options.. kind of like how windows does it (pls don't hurt me) :-) >> * allow user to specify "fixed" icons, for instance, "home" icon >>stays at (x,x) position, >> "trash" icon stays at (x,x) position, "Documents icon stays at >>(x,x) position" >> >> > >Getting a good ui for this sort of thing seems tough. I think it would >be kinda neat to have a desktop layout mode that put special icons in >special places, but I haven't thought much about the best way to do >that. > Actually, now that I think more about it, the best way to do this is to be able to right click an icon and check something that says "lock icon's position" so that if I do a clean up by name or type, it won't move that icon. What do you think about this? From aliakc@web.de Sun May 4 16:26:39 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp02.web.de [217.72.192.151]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DB9518360 for ; Sun, 4 May 2003 16:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [217.229.97.110] (helo=pD9E5616E.dip.t-dialin.net) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.97 #53) id 19CQ4C-0004sK-00 for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Sun, 04 May 2003 22:26:37 +0200 Subject: Re: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus From: Ali Akcaagac To: nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1052004305.6747.97.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> References: <1052004305.6747.97.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1052079973.5816.5.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 04 May 2003 22:26:13 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sun, 2003-05-04 at 01:25, Dave Camp wrote: > * The grid is about half the size of a normal icon space in a normal > icon view. This allows more freedom when placing icons, but means that > icons won't always be in a strict grid. Is it possible to increase the value a bit more ? The reason why I ask for this is because it often overlaps with horizontal Labels below the Icons. If I move the icons to the left leaving one complete Icon as space then the space is definately to much, but if I leave it the way it is then it sometimes overlap the Labels so it would be nice to have a better padding between the Icons. All in all this is a really nice improvement. greets, Ali Akcaagac From dunham@lambvindaloo.org Sat May 3 10:59:34 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from dunham.cse.msu.edu (wsip-24-234-141-99.lv.lv.cox.net [24.234.141.99]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F6D818168 for ; Sat, 3 May 2003 10:59:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.0.0.5] (notung.cse.msu.edu [10.0.0.5]) by dunham.cse.msu.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94C21300BB for ; Sat, 3 May 2003 07:29:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: HOWTO: Postscript/PDF/xfig thumbnails without rebuilding nautilus From: Steve Dunham To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-wqhQXnIE5GYV9hrbVCWB" Organization: Message-Id: <1051973911.4681.27.camel@notung.cse.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.4 Date: 03 May 2003 07:58:31 -0700 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-wqhQXnIE5GYV9hrbVCWB Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Below is an example of how to add external thumbnailers via gconf entries. I searched google for a way to do pdf thumbnails in nautilus, but I only found patches for Nautilus itself. So I don't think this technique is widely known and thought someone else may find it useful. I used perl scripts, because nautilus passes URLs for the source filename, and I was too lazy to write shell code to decode them. Note that these are somewhat inefficient, being perl scripts, and they only work for local files. To install, place the scripts in /usr/lib/nautilus and then do: gconftool --install-schema-file ps-thumbnail.schema I believe you need to restart gconfd and nautilus afterwards. (This was done with gnome 2.2 on Debian.) Steve dunham@lambvindaloo.org --=-wqhQXnIE5GYV9hrbVCWB Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=ps-thumbnail.schemas Content-Type: text/plain; name=ps-thumbnail.schemas; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit /schemas/desktop/gnome/thumbnailers/application@pdf/enable /desktop/gnome/thumbnailers/application@pdf/enable ps-thumbnail bool true /schemas/desktop/gnome/thumbnailers/application@pdf/command /desktop/gnome/thumbnailers/application@pdf/command ps-thumbnail string /usr/lib/nautilus/mkpsthumb %u %o /schemas/desktop/gnome/thumbnailers/application@postscript/enable /desktop/gnome/thumbnailers/application@postscript/enable ps-thumbnail bool true /schemas/desktop/gnome/thumbnailers/application@postscript/command /desktop/gnome/thumbnailers/application@postscript/command ps-thumbnail string /usr/lib/nautilus/mkpsthumb %u %o /schemas/desktop/gnome/thumbnailers/image@x-xfig/enable /desktop/gnome/thumbnailers/image@x-xfig/enable ps-thumbnail bool true /schemas/desktop/gnome/thumbnailers/image@x-xfig/command /desktop/gnome/thumbnailers/image@x-xfig/command ps-thumbnail string /usr/lib/nautilus/mkfigthumb %u %o --=-wqhQXnIE5GYV9hrbVCWB Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=mkpsthumb Content-Type: text/x-perl; name=mkpsthumb; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit #!/usr/bin/perl use strict; use URI::URL; open STDOUT, ">/dev/null"; my $url = new URI::URL($ARGV[0]); system("gs", "-dNOPAUSE", "-dBATCH", "-dSAFER", "-sDEVICE=png256", "-sOutputFile=$ARGV[1]", "-dLastPage=1", $url->path); --=-wqhQXnIE5GYV9hrbVCWB Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=mkfigthumb Content-Type: text/x-perl; name=mkfigthumb; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit #!/usr/bin/perl use strict; use URI::URL; open STDOUT, ">/dev/null"; my $url = new URI::URL($ARGV[0]); system("fig2dev", "-L", "png", $url->path, "$ARGV[1]"); --=-wqhQXnIE5GYV9hrbVCWB-- From pah06@uow.edu.au Mon May 5 02:02:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from beru.its.uow.edu.au (beru.its.uow.edu.au [130.130.68.31]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32A3F181CE for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 02:02:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beru.its.uow.edu.au (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4562dkq027251 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 16:02:40 +1000 (EST) Received: from chac.its.uow.edu.au ([130.130.37.3]) by beru.its.uow.edu.au (MailMonitor for SMTP v1.2.2 ) ; Mon, 5 May 2003 16:02:37 +1000 (EST) Received: (from sendmail@localhost) by chac.its.uow.edu.au (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h4562aEt015704 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 16:02:36 +1000 (EST) Received: from 192.168.0.8 (ppp03-as53.uow.net.au[130.130.192.3]) by chac.its.uow.edu.au (UWSMTPD 1.1) with ESMTP id 3538554.15696; Monday, 05 May 2003 16:02:34 +1000 Subject: Re: HOWTO: Postscript/PDF/xfig thumbnails without rebuilding nautilus From: Peter Harvey To: nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1051973911.4681.27.camel@notung.cse.msu.edu> References: <1051973911.4681.27.camel@notung.cse.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: SITACS, University of Wollongong Message-Id: <1052114551.2138.3.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.3 Date: 05 May 2003 16:02:31 +1000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sun, 2003-05-04 at 00:58, Steve Dunham wrote: > Below is an example of how to add external thumbnailers via > gconf entries. I searched google for a way to do pdf thumbnails > in nautilus, but I only found patches for Nautilus itself. So > I don't think this technique is widely known and thought someone > else may find it useful. > > I used perl scripts, because nautilus passes URLs for the source > filename, and I was too lazy to write shell code to decode them. > > Note that these are somewhat inefficient, being perl scripts, > and they only work for local files. To install, place the > scripts in /usr/lib/nautilus and then do: > > gconftool --install-schema-file ps-thumbnail.schema > > I believe you need to restart gconfd and nautilus afterwards. > > (This was done with gnome 2.2 on Debian.) > > > Steve dunham@lambvindaloo.org Hi Steve, I've created some similar scripts for handling PDF, PS and Dia files in Nautilus. They're available at: http://www.dsl.uow.edu.au/~harvey/code/thumbnailer.tar.gz You can look at the files themselves at: http://www.dsl.uow.edu.au/~harvey/code/thumbnailer Looking at your mkpsthumb, I'd point out that -dLastPage=1 only works for PDF files. I found the best way to handle PostScript files was to redefine the PostScript \showpage command to say "output page, and quit". Also, extracting BoundingBox information can be a pain in the arse, but necessary for processing EPS files nicely. As for converting URLs to filenames - I agree. Nautilus is supposed to provide normal filenames if you use %i rather than %u in your schema, but last time I checked it was still proving URLs. You can look at my scripts for one way to extract a filename from the URL. Not sure which scripting system is faster for a simple task like this. I would think that Perl is safer to work in though. I had to go to some length to ensure I could handle all sorts of weird filenames. Speaking of which, don't rely on GhostScript to handle your filenames properly. I suggest using it as a filter because it can have all sorts of problems with filenames. I've never used xfig, but might add it to my collection of thumbnailers based on what you've written. See ya. (This was done with gnome 2.2 on Debian too. :) -- Peter Harvey SITACS, University of Wollongong From gemi@bluewin.ch Mon May 5 02:41:34 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from scriabin.tannenrauch.ch (dclient217-162-145-83.hispeed.ch [217.162.145.83]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E3C5183EC for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 02:41:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scriabin.tannenrauch.ch (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by scriabin.tannenrauch.ch (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h456fCqe032365 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 08:41:19 +0200 Received: (from gemi@localhost) by scriabin.tannenrauch.ch (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h456f4oM032361 for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Mon, 5 May 2003 08:41:04 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: scriabin.tannenrauch.ch: gemi set sender to gemi@bluewin.ch using -f Subject: Re: HOWTO: Postscript/PDF/xfig thumbnails without rebuilding nautilus From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=E9rard?= Milmeister To: nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1052114551.2138.3.camel@localhost> References: <1051973911.4681.27.camel@notung.cse.msu.edu> <1052114551.2138.3.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Organization: Universität Zürich Message-Id: <1052116864.32200.2.camel@scriabin.tannenrauch.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-5) Date: 05 May 2003 08:41:04 +0200 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Mon, 2003-05-05 at 08:02, Peter Harvey wrote: > On Sun, 2003-05-04 at 00:58, Steve Dunham wrote: > > Below is an example of how to add external thumbnailers via > > gconf entries. I searched google for a way to do pdf thumbnails > > in nautilus, but I only found patches for Nautilus itself. So > > I don't think this technique is widely known and thought someone > > else may find it useful. > >=20 > > I used perl scripts, because nautilus passes URLs for the source > > filename, and I was too lazy to write shell code to decode them. To add my two cents, I also had made something like this. I use ImageMagick to generate thumbnails: http://www.ifi.unizh.ch/staff/milmei/nautilus/ It works quite well here. Some pdf files however fail to get thumbnails generated. --=20 G=E9rard Milmeister Tannenrauchstrasse 35 8038 Z=FCrich gemi@bluewin.ch From pah06@uow.edu.au Mon May 5 02:55:28 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from beru.its.uow.edu.au (beru.its.uow.edu.au [130.130.68.31]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C392B181CE for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 02:55:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beru.its.uow.edu.au (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h456tPkq007289 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 16:55:25 +1000 (EST) Received: from inti.its.uow.edu.au ([130.130.37.4]) by beru.its.uow.edu.au (MailMonitor for SMTP v1.2.2 ) ; Mon, 5 May 2003 16:55:24 +1000 (EST) Received: (from sendmail@localhost) by inti.its.uow.edu.au (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h456tOtA000205 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 16:55:24 +1000 (EST) Received: from 192.168.0.8 (ppp03-as53.uow.net.au[130.130.192.3]) by inti.its.uow.edu.au (UWSMTPD 1.1) with ESMTP id 3541721.170; Monday, 05 May 2003 16:55:21 +1000 Subject: Re: HOWTO: Postscript/PDF/xfig thumbnails without rebuilding nautilus From: Peter Harvey To: Nautilus List In-Reply-To: <1052116864.32200.2.camel@scriabin.tannenrauch.ch> References: <1051973911.4681.27.camel@notung.cse.msu.edu> <1052114551.2138.3.camel@localhost> <1052116864.32200.2.camel@scriabin.tannenrauch.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Organization: SITACS, University of Wollongong Message-Id: <1052117717.2146.12.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.3 Date: 05 May 2003 16:55:18 +1000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Mon, 2003-05-05 at 16:41, Gérard Milmeister wrote: > On Mon, 2003-05-05 at 08:02, Peter Harvey wrote: > > On Sun, 2003-05-04 at 00:58, Steve Dunham wrote: > > > Below is an example of how to add external thumbnailers via > > > gconf entries. I searched google for a way to do pdf thumbnails > > > in nautilus, but I only found patches for Nautilus itself. So > > > I don't think this technique is widely known and thought someone > > > else may find it useful. > > > > > > I used perl scripts, because nautilus passes URLs for the source > > > filename, and I was too lazy to write shell code to decode them. > > To add my two cents, I also had made something like this. I use > ImageMagick to generate thumbnails: > > http://www.ifi.unizh.ch/staff/milmei/nautilus/ > > It works quite well here. Some pdf files however fail to get thumbnails > generated. Just noticed something in your scripts - the use of gconftool to get the correct size for thumbnails. I've been told (on this list) that we should be using %s in our schemas. That will be converted to the correct (according to whatever program wants the thumbnail) size. Default is 256. I think in older versions of Nautilus this didn't work, so my scripts default to 256 if the third argument isn't supplied. When you say that some thumbnails fail for some PDF documents, is it because ImageMagick can't handle that PDF? Or is it because the file was in the process of being written? There does seem to be a race-condition occurring when a file is being written and a thumbnailer fails to generate a thumbnail because of that. I haven't looked into it in too much detail yet. Obviously this will only happen to you if you're generating PDFs (eg. pdflatex). See ya. -- Peter Harvey SITACS, University of Wollongong From alexl@redhat.com Mon May 5 03:39:04 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C6E318350 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 03:39:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (alexl@localhost) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h457d2306620; Mon, 5 May 2003 03:39:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: devserv.devel.redhat.com: alexl owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 03:39:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Alexander Larsson X-X-Sender: alexl@devserv.devel.redhat.com To: Ali Akcaagac Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus In-Reply-To: <1052079973.5816.5.camel@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On 4 May 2003, Ali Akcaagac wrote: > On Sun, 2003-05-04 at 01:25, Dave Camp wrote: > > * The grid is about half the size of a normal icon space in a normal > > icon view. This allows more freedom when placing icons, but means that > > icons won't always be in a strict grid. > > Is it possible to increase the value a bit more ? The reason why I ask > for this is because it often overlaps with horizontal Labels below the > Icons. It needs to be an even divisor of the normal icon size, otherwise we'll get strange "bands" of empty space between icons. As an extreme example, consider if the grid size is 90% of the normal width, then an icon would have to use two grid rects (180%) and you'd get an 80% wide blank column next to the icons. > If I move the icons to the left leaving one complete Icon as space then > the space is definately to much, but if I leave it the way it is then it > sometimes overlap the Labels so it would be nice to have a better > padding between the Icons. Maybe making the grid smaller would help (1/3 normal icon size?), that way you can get smaller spacing, although you risk things not looking very snap-to-grid:y. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a war-weary Amish shaman whom everyone believes is mad. She's an orphaned mutant college professor from a secret island of warrior women. They fight crime! From alexl@redhat.com Mon May 5 03:45:31 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2AC018350 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 03:45:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (alexl@localhost) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h457jV707359 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 03:45:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: devserv.devel.redhat.com: alexl owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 03:45:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Alexander Larsson X-X-Sender: alexl@devserv.devel.redhat.com To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: How to submit patches Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: We've recently had some issues with patches floating around on the net, but not having them properly submitted and reviewed. In order to avoid things like this I added some text to the HACKING file about how to submit patches and get them reviewed. Here is the current contents of the HACKING file: Hacking on Nautilus ------------------- The Nautilus source tree is available from GNOME cvs (cvs.gnome.org) and in releases on the GNOME FTP site (http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/nautilus/). If you plan to hack on Nautilus, please make sure you work from the CVS version. The CVS version can be checked from the GNOME cvs server. See http://developer.gnome.org/tools/cvs.html for details on how to get started with GNOME CVS. If you want to contribute in development discussions, please send mail to the nautilus mailing list: . Archives and subscription information are available at http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/nautilus-list Submitting Patches ------------------ If you've been working on a change to Nautilus and want to propose it for inclusion, you have to generate a patch and submit it for review by the maintainers. Patches should be made with 'cvs diff -pu >patch' and should conform to Nautilus coding style as described in docs/style-guide.html. We are pretty strict about coding style, so please make sure you follow the style guide to avoid unnecessary work on both sides when reviewing the patch. The best way to submit a patch for review is to post it on the mailing list. That way everyone sees it and can take part in the following discussion about it. Sometimes people also attach patches to bugs in bugzilla (http://bugzilla.gnome.org, product 'nautilus'). If you do this, please send a mail to the list saying you did so, because it is very easy for the bugzilla email to get lost in all the bugzilla reports, and only the people CCd on the bug can partake in the discussion. The Nautilus maintainers do their best to review patches and help developers that want to work on something, however we are often swamped in work and can miss an email or just forget to answer it. Don't be afraid of reposting your patches after a while, or poking us about the status of them. Also, if you're planning to do large changes, please take them up for discussion on the list first. If you get feedback early it is much easier to integrate it into your work. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's an old-fashioned voodoo cyborg with acid for blood. She's a manipulative communist socialite fleeing from a Satanic cult. They fight crime! From Murray.Cumming@Comneon.com Mon May 5 07:50:49 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp1.infineon.com (smtp1.infineon.com [194.175.117.76]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 486C3185FE for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 07:50:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vihsx03a.vih.infineon.com (vih.ifx-mail3.com [172.31.163.97]) by smtp1.infineon.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h45BfJTm019227; Mon, 5 May 2003 13:41:19 +0200 (MEST) Received: by vihsx03a.vih.infineon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 5 May 2003 13:51:11 +0200 Message-ID: <258B0164D480D5118D900800062B3858FFAC6C@vihsx09a.vih.infineon.com> From: Murray.Cumming@Comneon.com To: ben@xsusio.com, dave@ximian.com Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: RE: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 13:50:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > From: Ben Davis [mailto:ben@xsusio.com] > Are we ever going to have the ability to "clean up by ____" > whether it > be name, type, size, or whatever?? Put it all in a folder and sort it. Nobody's desktop needs to get that complicated. Murray Cumming murrayc@usa.net www.murrayc.com From ben@xsusio.com Mon May 5 10:58:49 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from ms-smtp-02.texas.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.texas.rr.com [24.93.36.230]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27BC3183CA for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 10:58:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xsusio.com (cs24162123-191.hot.rr.com [24.162.123.191]) by ms-smtp-02.texas.rr.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h45EwjnV004443; Mon, 5 May 2003 09:58:45 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3EB67C25.1020001@xsusio.com> Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 09:58:45 -0500 From: Ben Davis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030317 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Murray.Cumming@Comneon.com Cc: dave@ximian.com, nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus References: <258B0164D480D5118D900800062B3858FFAC6C@vihsx09a.vih.infineon.com> In-Reply-To: <258B0164D480D5118D900800062B3858FFAC6C@vihsx09a.vih.infineon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Murray.Cumming@Comneon.com wrote: >>From: Ben Davis [mailto:ben@xsusio.com] >>Are we ever going to have the ability to "clean up by ____" >>whether it >>be name, type, size, or whatever?? >> >> > >Put it all in a folder and sort it. Nobody's desktop needs to get that >complicated. > Damn, I really hope you're not a Gnome developer or top decision maker, because it's exactly that kind of attitude that makes applications suck. Every user has unique needs and unique preferences, and while you can't meet them all, you certainly DON'T have to leave out a feature simply because you think your way of doing it is better. But if I must explain, then: I use my desktop as a temp or "unfiled" folder. Everything gets downloaded to my deskotp and dragged to my desktop when I don't have a place for it. Word documents, images, tarballs, whatever. When I want to clean up my desktop, and (for instance) I want to take all my word docs and file them away, i hate having to go through all the files when they're not sorted by type, it's much easier to be able to arrange them into groups and them deal with the files that way. Excuse me if that's not the way you think I should organize my desktop. It's the way I've always done things and I'm not likely to change my habits just because someone thinks I should do it their way. Saying "Nobody's desktop needs to get that complicated" is like saying "Nobody's ever going to use more than 128k.." or "Why would you need a gui? just use command line!".. I mean, why would the top selling desktop operating system use the exact same "arrange icons by..." method that I'm talking about?? They obviously found some good reason to allow users to do this. And any user switching from windows to linux will tell you the same. From alexl@redhat.com Mon May 5 11:13:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3367C186D3 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 11:13:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (alexl@localhost) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h45FDpr31303; Mon, 5 May 2003 11:13:51 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: devserv.devel.redhat.com: alexl owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 11:13:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Alexander Larsson X-X-Sender: alexl@devserv.devel.redhat.com To: Ali Akcaagac Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus In-Reply-To: <1052006608.27404.1.camel@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On 4 May 2003, Ali Akcaagac wrote: > On Sun, 2003-05-04 at 01:25, Dave Camp wrote: > > I just checked in the following patch to add a Keep Aligned mode to the > > desktop in nautilus. When you switch to this mode, existing icons will > > snap to a grid. While in this mode, dropped icons will snap to grid > > locations automatically. I'd like people to build it and give it a > > whirl. > > Wow, this was a pretty long requested feature. I haven't tested it yet > but I wanted to thank you for taking the time creating it. Thanks a lot for that, you seem to be among the few that appreciate it. Its seems to be pretty uncommon with people feeling gratitude these days. Most comments we got at gnomedesktop.org for implementing a much requested feature were big "fuck you"s, and that sort of thing makes working on free software pretty meaningless. Anyway, ignore me, I'm just burnt out and fucked over. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a one-legged flyboy master criminal possessed of the uncanny powers of an insect. She's a beautiful motormouth fairy princess with an incredible destiny. They fight crime! From jdub@perkypants.org Mon May 5 11:15:54 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-06.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.38]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 387D6186FD for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 11:15:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 11690 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 15:07:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO home.perkypants.org) (203.217.69.112) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 5 May 2003 15:07:30 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by home.perkypants.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14F878C106 for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 01:07:33 +1000 (EST) Received: from home.perkypants.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (katia [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28459-08 for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 01:07:32 +1000 (EST) Received: from lazarus.home (lazarus.home [192.168.10.10]) by home.perkypants.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAD6E8C102 for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 01:07:32 +1000 (EST) Received: by lazarus.home (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0991E12B6A9; Tue, 6 May 2003 01:07:30 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 01:07:30 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus Message-ID: <20030505150729.GT2836@lazarus> Mail-Followup-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org References: <258B0164D480D5118D900800062B3858FFAC6C@vihsx09a.vih.infineon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <258B0164D480D5118D900800062B3858FFAC6C@vihsx09a.vih.infineon.com> Reply-By: Fri May 9 01:04:49 EST 2003 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.4.21-rc1 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 01:04:49 up 2 days, 7:27, 4 users, load average: 0.05, 0.07, 0.02 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030314-p1 (Debian) Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > > From: Ben Davis [mailto:ben@xsusio.com] > > Are we ever going to have the ability to "clean up by ____" > > whether it > > be name, type, size, or whatever?? HEAD includes 'clean up by name', but others are most likely doable. Now that we have grid alignment, I'm missing an unsorted cleanup (but I've mentioned this to Dave already). One trouble we're facing is the desktop context menu... It's always getting bigger. Tough. > Put it all in a folder and sort it. Nobody's desktop needs to get that > complicated. Murray, that's a really unproductive, pointless and thoroughly inaccurate comment. - Jeff -- GU4DEC: June 16th-18th in Dublin, Ireland http://www.guadec.org/ "The only people still using Microsoft IIS are those who don't even know it's there." - Larry Ellison From Murray.Cumming@Comneon.com Mon May 5 11:19:00 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp1.infineon.com (smtp1.infineon.com [194.175.117.76]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D02518702 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 11:19:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vihsx03a.vih.infineon.com (vih.ifx-mail3.com [172.31.163.97]) by smtp1.infineon.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h45F9UTm014520; Mon, 5 May 2003 17:09:30 +0200 (MEST) Received: by vihsx03a.vih.infineon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 5 May 2003 17:19:23 +0200 Message-ID: <258B0164D480D5118D900800062B3858FFAC99@vihsx09a.vih.infineon.com> From: Murray.Cumming@Comneon.com To: alexl@redhat.com, aliakc@web.de Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: RE: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 17:18:58 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > From: Alexander Larsson [mailto:alexl@redhat.com] > Most comments we got at gnomedesktop.org for implementing a > much requested > feature were big "fuck you"s, and that sort of thing makes > working on free > software pretty meaningless. The internet is like that - it lets fools be heard too. You have to ignore some people because they are loony. It's normally clear to everyone when someone is being loony, so it's no big deal. We love you and appreciate you. Murray Cumming murrayc@usa.net www.murrayc.com From Murray.Cumming@Comneon.com Mon May 5 11:22:23 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp1.infineon.com (smtp1.infineon.com [194.175.117.76]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3583F18716 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 11:22:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vihsx03a.vih.infineon.com (vih.ifx-mail3.com [172.31.163.97]) by smtp1.infineon.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h45FCrTm015466; Mon, 5 May 2003 17:12:53 +0200 (MEST) Received: by vihsx03a.vih.infineon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 5 May 2003 17:22:45 +0200 Message-ID: <258B0164D480D5118D900800062B3858FFAC9A@vihsx09a.vih.infineon.com> From: Murray.Cumming@Comneon.com To: jdub@perkypants.org, nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: RE: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 17:22:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > From: Jeff Waugh [mailto:jdub@perkypants.org] > > Put it all in a folder and sort it. Nobody's desktop needs > to get that > > complicated. > > Murray, that's a really unproductive, pointless and > thoroughly inaccurate > comment. But I'm serious. I guess I was thinking about just the desktop, and it might be worthwhile to arrange an icon-view of a folder just as you can sort a list view. But even then, I do think you should switch to a list view when you want that much order. Does the Mac have an "Arrange-icons-by-sorting-by-anything" feature? It doesn't sound like it's needed by the vast majority of people, and not really needed by the minority either. Murray Cumming murrayc@usa.net www.murrayc.com From gemi@bluewin.ch Mon May 5 11:30:22 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from scriabin.tannenrauch.ch (dclient217-162-145-83.hispeed.ch [217.162.145.83]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 518631829F for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 11:30:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scriabin.tannenrauch.ch (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by scriabin.tannenrauch.ch (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h45FTpqe006441 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 17:29:58 +0200 Received: (from gemi@localhost) by scriabin.tannenrauch.ch (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h45FTbfQ006408 for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Mon, 5 May 2003 17:29:37 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: scriabin.tannenrauch.ch: gemi set sender to gemi@bluewin.ch using -f Subject: Re: HOWTO: Postscript/PDF/xfig thumbnails without rebuilding nautilus From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=E9rard?= Milmeister To: Nautilus List In-Reply-To: <1052117717.2146.12.camel@localhost> References: <1051973911.4681.27.camel@notung.cse.msu.edu> <1052114551.2138.3.camel@localhost> <1052116864.32200.2.camel@scriabin.tannenrauch.ch> <1052117717.2146.12.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Organization: Universität Zürich Message-Id: <1052148577.5710.4.camel@scriabin.tannenrauch.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-5) Date: 05 May 2003 17:29:37 +0200 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: >=20 > Just noticed something in your scripts - the use of gconftool to get the > correct size for thumbnails. I've been told (on this list) that we > should be using %s in our schemas. That will be converted to the correct > (according to whatever program wants the thumbnail) size. Default is > 256. Ah that's news to me. I googled for nautilus thumbnailer, but I have not found anything interesting. >=20 > I think in older versions of Nautilus this didn't work, so my scripts > default to 256 if the third argument isn't supplied. >=20 > When you say that some thumbnails fail for some PDF documents, is it > because ImageMagick can't handle that PDF? Or is it because the file was > in the process of being written? There does seem to be a race-condition > occurring when a file is being written and a thumbnailer fails to > generate a thumbnail because of that. I haven't looked into it in too > much detail yet. Obviously this will only happen to you if you're > generating PDFs (eg. pdflatex). Well, ImageMagick delegates to gs, and there are some PDFs that are not handled by gs. Ghostscript is generally pretty bad at PDFs, Xpdf is much better, but doesn't support latest standards. Otherwise I think ImageMagick is pretty good for these tasks, it also handles .dvi files. > See ya. >=20 > --=20 > Peter Harvey > SITACS, University of Wollongong --=20 G=E9rard Milmeister Tannenrauchstrasse 35 8038 Z=FCrich gemi@bluewin.ch From jdub@perkypants.org Mon May 5 11:31:57 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-02.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.34]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 345821851D for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 11:31:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 4228 invoked from network); 5 May 2003 15:25:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO home.perkypants.org) (203.217.69.112) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 5 May 2003 15:25:23 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by home.perkypants.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18A868C106; Tue, 6 May 2003 01:25:23 +1000 (EST) Received: from home.perkypants.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (katia [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15628-09; Tue, 6 May 2003 01:25:22 +1000 (EST) Received: from lazarus.home (lazarus.home [192.168.10.10]) by home.perkypants.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9B838C102; Tue, 6 May 2003 01:25:22 +1000 (EST) Received: by lazarus.home (Postfix, from userid 1000) id EE58312B6A9; Tue, 6 May 2003 01:25:19 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 01:25:19 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: Murray.Cumming@Comneon.com Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus Message-ID: <20030505152519.GU2836@lazarus> Mail-Followup-To: Murray.Cumming@Comneon.com, nautilus-list@gnome.org References: <258B0164D480D5118D900800062B3858FFAC9A@vihsx09a.vih.infineon.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <258B0164D480D5118D900800062B3858FFAC9A@vihsx09a.vih.infineon.com> Reply-By: Fri May 9 01:22:56 EST 2003 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.4.21-rc1 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 01:22:56 up 2 days, 7:45, 4 users, load average: 0.13, 0.08, 0.02 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030314-p1 (Debian) Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > > From: Jeff Waugh [mailto:jdub@perkypants.org] > > > Put it all in a folder and sort it. Nobody's desktop needs to get that > > > complicated. > > > > Murray, that's a really unproductive, pointless and thoroughly > > inaccurate comment. > > But I'm serious. I guess I was thinking about just the desktop, and it > might be worthwhile to arrange an icon-view of a folder just as you can > sort a list view. But even then, I do think you should switch to a list > view when you want that much order. Perhaps you're misunderstanding the feature (which, by the way, already exists in Nautilus): It means tidying the contents of the desktop up, and sorting it by name. > Does the Mac have an "Arrange-icons-by-sorting-by-anything" feature? It > doesn't sound like it's needed by the vast majority of people, and not > really needed by the minority either. Absolutely. Both the Windows desktop and the MacOS Finder desktop have these features (as well as clean up without sorting). - Jeff -- GU4DEC: June 16th-18th in Dublin, Ireland http://www.guadec.org/ "Python amazes me for its concision. The current prototype is all of 900 lines of code, yet it contains a lexer, parser (recursive descent), core language interpreter, and parallelizing process spawner." - Raph Levien on Rebar From Murray.Cumming@Comneon.com Mon May 5 11:37:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp1.infineon.com (smtp1.infineon.com [194.175.117.76]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F09618715 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 11:37:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vihsx03a.vih.infineon.com (vih.ifx-mail3.com [172.31.163.97]) by smtp1.infineon.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h45FSATm018772; Mon, 5 May 2003 17:28:10 +0200 (MEST) Received: by vihsx03a.vih.infineon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 5 May 2003 17:38:02 +0200 Message-ID: <258B0164D480D5118D900800062B3858FFAC9C@vihsx09a.vih.infineon.com> From: Murray.Cumming@Comneon.com To: jdub@perkypants.org Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: RE: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 17:37:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > From: Jeff Waugh [mailto:jdub@perkypants.org] > Perhaps you're misunderstanding the feature (which, by the > way, already > exists in Nautilus): It means tidying the contents of the > desktop up, and > sorting it by name. Then I did understand the first time. I really don't know why anyone would want to arrange the icons on their desktop in order of file size, or file type, for instance. Fair enough, you want to. Murray Cumming murrayc@usa.net www.murrayc.com From hp@redhat.com Mon May 5 13:39:17 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7C23185DD for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 13:39:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from hp@localhost) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) id h45HdFF23989; Mon, 5 May 2003 13:39:15 -0400 Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 13:39:15 -0400 From: Havoc Pennington To: Alexander Larsson Cc: Ali Akcaagac , nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus Message-ID: <20030505133915.G27541@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1052006608.27404.1.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Mon, May 05, 2003 at 11:13:50AM -0400, Alexander Larsson wrote: > Thanks a lot for that, you seem to be among the few that appreciate it. > > Its seems to be pretty uncommon with people feeling gratitude these days. > Most comments we got at gnomedesktop.org for implementing a much requested > feature were big "fuck you"s, and that sort of thing makes working on free > software pretty meaningless. You have to consider this: those same people are advocating a file manager where the author doesn't use whitespace in the code in order to make the source tarball smaller. ;-) Havoc From nautilus-list@lists.thewrittenword.com Mon May 5 13:57:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from spuckler.il.thewrittenword.com (mail2.thewrittenword.com [67.95.107.111]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4EAA18443 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 13:57:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spuckler.il.thewrittenword.com (localhost.il.thewrittenword.com [127.0.0.1]) by spuckler.il.thewrittenword.com (8.12.7p2/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h45HvrSN042960 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 12:57:53 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from china@localhost) by spuckler.il.thewrittenword.com (8.12.7p2/8.12.7) id h45Hvr8M042959 for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Mon, 5 May 2003 12:57:53 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 12:57:53 -0500 From: Albert Chin To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: No file icons showing up on Solaris 9/SPARC Message-ID: <20030505175753.GA41929@spuckler.il.thewrittenword.com> Reply-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I've compiled nautilus-2.2.3.1 for GNOME 2.2.1 on Solaris 9/SPARC with the Sun C compiler. When I start Nautilus, only one type of icon shows up: ftp://ftp.thewrittenword.com/outgoing/pub/nautilus.png This is quite different from nautilus-2.0.7 on GNOME 2.0.2 which appears to display ok. The necessary icons are in DATADIR + "/pixmaps/document-icons/". However, nautilus-find-icon-image.c doesn't exist in nautilus-2.2.3.1 anymore. What is responsible for looking up the icons in DATADIR + "/pixmaps/document-icons/"? -- albert chin (china@thewrittenword.com) From julo@altern.org Mon May 5 15:10:11 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mwinf0204.wanadoo.fr (smtp7.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.29]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3E5118577 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 15:10:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.228] (Mix-Toulouse-206-4-30.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.248.216.30]) by mwinf0204.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id B14AEA00008C; Mon, 5 May 2003 21:10:09 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus From: Julien Olivier To: Alexander Larsson Cc: Ali Akcaagac , nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1052161786.3732.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-4) Date: 05 May 2003 21:09:46 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > Its seems to be pretty uncommon with people feeling gratitude these days. > Most comments we got at gnomedesktop.org for implementing a much requested > feature were big "fuck you"s, and that sort of thing makes working on free > software pretty meaningless. > > Anyway, ignore me, I'm just burnt out and fucked over. I think that it's really great news ! Nautilus is getting better and better. But it's also true that Nautilus still has some big problems that can be very frustrating. I bet that's why some people are over-reacting and want to throw Nautilus to the trash... Just ignore them. You GTK/GNOME developers are great and I couldn't stop saying thank you to all of you (and I include all Free Software developers in this message). From danny.milo@gmx.net Mon May 5 15:18:54 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.gmx.net (pop.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 14E471867F for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 15:18:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 4064 invoked by uid 65534); 5 May 2003 19:18:50 -0000 Received: from L0027P05.dipool.highway.telekom.at (EHLO pyramid.niea.at) (62.46.67.69) by mail.gmx.net (mp020-rz3) with SMTP; 05 May 2003 21:18:50 +0200 Subject: Patch: Mouse wheel on the zoom level widget ;) From: Danny To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1052160468.2537.1.camel@pyramid.niea.at> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.2 (Preview Release) Date: 05 May 2003 20:47:48 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi! :) I've done a small patch: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=109996 It allows changing the zoom level with the mouse wheel when the pointer is above the zoom level widget ;) Have fun ^^ Danny From nautilus-list@lists.thewrittenword.com Mon May 5 17:23:08 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from spuckler.il.thewrittenword.com (mail2.thewrittenword.com [67.95.107.111]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 895AF1826B for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 17:23:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spuckler.il.thewrittenword.com (localhost.il.thewrittenword.com [127.0.0.1]) by spuckler.il.thewrittenword.com (8.12.7p2/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h45LN8SN048383 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 16:23:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from china@localhost) by spuckler.il.thewrittenword.com (8.12.7p2/8.12.7) id h45LN8rt048382 for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Mon, 5 May 2003 16:23:08 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 16:23:08 -0500 From: Albert Chin To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: No file icons showing up on Solaris 9/SPARC Message-ID: <20030505212308.GB41929@spuckler.il.thewrittenword.com> Reply-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org References: <20030505175753.GA41929@spuckler.il.thewrittenword.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030505175753.GA41929@spuckler.il.thewrittenword.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Mon, May 05, 2003 at 12:57:53PM -0500, Albert Chin wrote: > I've compiled nautilus-2.2.3.1 for GNOME 2.2.1 on Solaris 9/SPARC with > the Sun C compiler. When I start Nautilus, only one type of icon shows > up: > ftp://ftp.thewrittenword.com/outgoing/pub/nautilus.png > > This is quite different from nautilus-2.0.7 on GNOME 2.0.2 which > appears to display ok. The necessary icons are in DATADIR + > "/pixmaps/document-icons/". However, nautilus-find-icon-image.c > doesn't exist in nautilus-2.2.3.1 anymore. What is responsible for > looking up the icons in DATADIR + "/pixmaps/document-icons/"? Ok, I installed gnome-icon-theme-1.0.2 and gnome-themes-2.2.1. This didn't solve the problem. It seems GNOME is looking for $prefix/share/icons/hicolor (KDE has this directory). If I symlink one of the icon themes in gnome-icon-theme-1.0.2 to $prefix/share/icons/hicolor, then I get icons in Nautilus. Is this how it's suppose to work? -- albert chin (china@thewrittenword.com) From josh@vitriolix.com Mon May 5 19:22:39 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.28]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F9CB18647 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 19:22:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vitriolix.com (adsl-66-120-160-249.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [66.120.160.249]) by mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h45NMXPi021428 for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 18:22:38 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3EB6F23E.9010409@vitriolix.com> Date: Mon, 05 May 2003 16:22:38 -0700 From: Josh Steiner User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > > >Thanks a lot for that, you seem to be among the few that appreciate it. > >Its seems to be pretty uncommon with people feeling gratitude these days. >Most comments we got at gnomedesktop.org for implementing a much requested >feature were big "fuck you"s, and that sort of thing makes working on free >software pretty meaningless. > >Anyway, ignore me, I'm just burnt out and fucked over. > > > i hear that, it has got to get tiresome to have people who aparently have the emotional/intellectual capacity of a 9 year old loudly and publically slamming you no matter what you do. but remeber to read between the lines, in that long rambling thread on gd.o there are *2* people who are doing the vast majority of the agitating, and a dozen or so trying to keep the thread respecful and constructive. -josh -- ____________________________________________________ independent u.s. drum'n'bass -- http://vitriolix.com From chabotc@4-ice.com Mon May 5 21:42:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from chabotc.xs4all.nl (chabotc.xs4all.nl [80.126.34.141]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18B10182FA for ; Mon, 5 May 2003 21:42:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 4-ice.com (gandalf.chabotc.com [192.168.0.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by chabotc.xs4all.nl (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h461gZAh032544 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 6 May 2003 03:42:36 +0200 Message-ID: <3EB7130A.7020105@4-ice.com> Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 03:42:34 +0200 From: Chris Chabot Organization: 4-ice User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4b) Gecko/20030506 Thunderbird/0.1a X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alexander Larsson , nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090905050403080906060508" X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090905050403080906060508 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please accept my appreciation and thanks as well! I can understand that some people get confused and emotional over such things and fail to see the good some one does. They are used to high standards because of the high quality software they get to enjoy (in which you definatly have your part!). So when something else good happens, it's 'normal' and the only thing they recognise are the petty small things.. And some people love to shout that out.. In a warped way it is a huge compliment. If their average experiance was bad, they would praise this patch for 'not sucking' like the rest and that would take their focus. Not much of a comfort in these situations, but true non the less.. (remember the ultimate insult is 'not caring', and these people and a _lot_ of others care a lot!). Since i also talk to much about other things, and not the gratitude for the work you and so many others have done, i'd like to officially say: Thank you! -- Chris Alexander Larsson wrote: >On 4 May 2003, Ali Akcaagac wrote: > > > >>On Sun, 2003-05-04 at 01:25, Dave Camp wrote: >> >> >>>I just checked in the following patch to add a Keep Aligned mode to the >>>desktop in nautilus. When you switch to this mode, existing icons will >>>snap to a grid. While in this mode, dropped icons will snap to grid >>>locations automatically. I'd like people to build it and give it a >>>whirl. >>> >>> >>Wow, this was a pretty long requested feature. I haven't tested it yet >>but I wanted to thank you for taking the time creating it. >> >> > >Thanks a lot for that, you seem to be among the few that appreciate it. > >Its seems to be pretty uncommon with people feeling gratitude these days. >Most comments we got at gnomedesktop.org for implementing a much requested >feature were big "fuck you"s, and that sort of thing makes working on free >software pretty meaningless. > >Anyway, ignore me, I'm just burnt out and fucked over. > > > --------------090905050403080906060508 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please accept my appreciation and thanks as well!

I can understand that some people get confused and emotional over such things and fail to see the good some one does. They are used to high standards because of the high quality software they get to enjoy (in which you definatly have your part!). So when something else good happens, it's 'normal' and the only thing they recognise are the petty small things.. And some people love to shout that out..

In a warped way it is a huge compliment. If their average experiance was bad, they would praise this patch for 'not sucking' like the rest and that would take their focus. Not much of a comfort in these situations, but true non the less.. (remember the ultimate insult is 'not caring', and these people and a _lot_ of others care a lot!).

Since i also talk to much about other things, and not the gratitude for the work you and so many others have done, i'd like to officially say: Thank you!

    -- Chris

Alexander Larsson wrote:
On 4 May 2003, Ali Akcaagac wrote:

  
On Sun, 2003-05-04 at 01:25, Dave Camp wrote:
    
I just checked in the following patch to add a Keep Aligned mode to the
desktop in nautilus.  When you switch to this mode, existing icons will
snap to a grid.  While in this mode, dropped icons will snap to grid
locations automatically.  I'd like people to build it and give it a
whirl.
      
Wow, this was a pretty long requested feature. I haven't tested it yet
but I wanted to thank you for taking the time creating it.
    

Thanks a lot for that, you seem to be among the few that appreciate it. 

Its seems to be pretty uncommon with people feeling gratitude these days. 
Most comments we got at gnomedesktop.org for implementing a much requested 
feature were big "fuck you"s, and that sort of thing makes working on free 
software pretty meaningless. 

Anyway, ignore me, I'm just burnt out and fucked over.
--------------090905050403080906060508-- From kaas_10@hotmail.com Tue May 6 01:28:02 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from hotmail.com (f51.law8.hotmail.com [216.33.241.51]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 894AE18248 for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 01:28:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 5 May 2003 22:28:00 -0700 Received: from 212.127.139.246 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 06 May 2003 05:28:00 GMT X-Originating-IP: [212.127.139.246] X-Originating-Email: [kaas_10@hotmail.com] From: "r ve" To: alexl@redhat.com Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 07:28:00 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 May 2003 05:28:00.0430 (UTC) FILETIME=[42414CE0:01C31390] Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: >>Thanks a lot for that, you seem to be among the few that appreciate it. >> >>Its seems to be pretty uncommon with people feeling gratitude these days. >>Most comments we got at gnomedesktop.org for implementing a much requested >>feature were big "fuck you"s, and that sort of thing makes working on free >>software pretty meaningless. >> >>Anyway, ignore me, I'm just burnt out and fucked over. People are pretty much spoiled these days with all of this good software available for free. I think Nautilus still is one of the nicest file managers and this patch makes it even nicer. Believe me, there are much more people out there who appreciate additions like this one, including me. They just often tend to be very quit because they're already happy and have nothing (or at least not much) to complain about :) Thumbs up! I certainly appreciate it. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From george@gmsys.com Tue May 6 01:28:17 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from ve7frg.gmsys.com (h24-66-186-212.du.shawcable.net [24.66.186.212]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 756AC183F5 for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 01:28:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ve7frg.gmsys.com (ve7frg.gmsys.com [127.0.0.1]) by ve7frg.gmsys.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h465SClw004084; Mon, 5 May 2003 22:28:12 -0700 Received: (from george@localhost) by ve7frg.gmsys.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h465S9EP004082; Mon, 5 May 2003 22:28:09 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ve7frg.gmsys.com: george set sender to george@gmsys.com using -f Subject: Re: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus From: George Farris To: Chris Chabot Cc: Alexander Larsson , nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <3EB7130A.7020105@4-ice.com> References: <3EB7130A.7020105@4-ice.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Message-Id: <1052198889.3997.1.camel@ve7frg.gmsys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-4) Date: 05 May 2003 22:28:09 -0700 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Also remember that their are a huge number of us who very much appreciate the work everyone does but are silent. For all us silent types a big "Thank You". Cheers On Mon, 2003-05-05 at 18:42, Chris Chabot wrote: > Please accept my appreciation and thanks as well! > > I can understand that some people get confused and emotional over such > things and fail to see the good some one does. They are used to high > standards because of the high quality software they get to enjoy (in > which you definatly have your part!). So when something else good > happens, it's 'normal' and the only thing they recognise are the petty > small things.. And some people love to shout that out.. > > In a warped way it is a huge compliment. If their average experiance > was bad, they would praise this patch for 'not sucking' like the rest > and that would take their focus. Not much of a comfort in these > situations, but true non the less.. (remember the ultimate insult is > 'not caring', and these people and a _lot_ of others care a lot!). > > Since i also talk to much about other things, and not the gratitude > for the work you and so many others have done, i'd like to officially > say: Thank you! > > -- Chris > > Alexander Larsson wrote: > > On 4 May 2003, Ali Akcaagac wrote: > > > > > > > On Sun, 2003-05-04 at 01:25, Dave Camp wrote: > > > > > > > I just checked in the following patch to add a Keep Aligned mode to the > > > > desktop in nautilus. When you switch to this mode, existing icons will > > > > snap to a grid. While in this mode, dropped icons will snap to grid > > > > locations automatically. I'd like people to build it and give it a > > > > whirl. > > > > > > > > > > Wow, this was a pretty long requested feature. I haven't tested it yet > > > but I wanted to thank you for taking the time creating it. > > > > > > > Thanks a lot for that, you seem to be among the few that appreciate it. > > > > Its seems to be pretty uncommon with people feeling gratitude these days. > > Most comments we got at gnomedesktop.org for implementing a much requested > > feature were big "fuck you"s, and that sort of thing makes working on free > > software pretty meaningless. > > > > Anyway, ignore me, I'm just burnt out and fucked over. > > > > -- George Farris From alexl@redhat.com Tue May 6 04:06:23 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39CBB18818 for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 04:06:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (alexl@localhost) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h4686MB26503 for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 04:06:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: devserv.devel.redhat.com: alexl owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 04:06:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Alexander Larsson X-X-Sender: alexl@devserv.devel.redhat.com To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: No file icons showing up on Solaris 9/SPARC In-Reply-To: <20030505212308.GB41929@spuckler.il.thewrittenword.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Mon, 5 May 2003, Albert Chin wrote: > On Mon, May 05, 2003 at 12:57:53PM -0500, Albert Chin wrote: > > I've compiled nautilus-2.2.3.1 for GNOME 2.2.1 on Solaris 9/SPARC with > > the Sun C compiler. When I start Nautilus, only one type of icon shows > > up: > > ftp://ftp.thewrittenword.com/outgoing/pub/nautilus.png > > > > This is quite different from nautilus-2.0.7 on GNOME 2.0.2 which > > appears to display ok. The necessary icons are in DATADIR + > > "/pixmaps/document-icons/". However, nautilus-find-icon-image.c > > doesn't exist in nautilus-2.2.3.1 anymore. What is responsible for > > looking up the icons in DATADIR + "/pixmaps/document-icons/"? > > Ok, I installed gnome-icon-theme-1.0.2 and gnome-themes-2.2.1. This > didn't solve the problem. It seems GNOME is looking for > $prefix/share/icons/hicolor (KDE has this directory). If I symlink one > of the icon themes in gnome-icon-theme-1.0.2 to > $prefix/share/icons/hicolor, then I get icons in Nautilus. Is this how > it's suppose to work? No. gnome-icon-theme installs a theme called "gnome", and the default icon theme used is supposed to be "gnome". "hicolor" is just looked in for backwards and KDE compatibility. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a suave Jewish cowboy in drag. She's a cynical impetuous hooker operating on the wrong side of the law. They fight crime! From alexl@redhat.com Tue May 6 04:18:19 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A56DC1880B for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 04:18:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (alexl@localhost) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h468IH129071; Tue, 6 May 2003 04:18:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: devserv.devel.redhat.com: alexl owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 04:18:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Alexander Larsson X-X-Sender: alexl@devserv.devel.redhat.com To: Danny Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Patch: Mouse wheel on the zoom level widget ;) In-Reply-To: <1052160468.2537.1.camel@pyramid.niea.at> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On 5 May 2003, Danny wrote: > Hi! :) > > I've done a small patch: > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=109996 > > It allows changing the zoom level with the mouse wheel when the pointer > is above the zoom level widget ;) Thanks a lot. I commited this to cvs. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a jaded guerilla sorceror with a mysterious suitcase handcuffed to his arm. She's a radical French-Canadian hooker trying to make a difference in a man's world. They fight crime! From mazzoni.perseo@tiscalinet.it Tue May 6 05:57:14 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from eta.fastwebnet.it (unknown [213.140.2.50]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DA8218847 for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 05:57:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tiscalinet.it (37.0.232.41) by eta.fastwebnet.it (6.7.016) id 3EAF5CD200113013 for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Tue, 6 May 2003 11:57:12 +0200 Message-ID: <3EB786FF.6040603@tiscalinet.it> Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 11:57:19 +0200 From: Mazzoni Perseo User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030327 Debian/1.3-4 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Gnome2 panel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Great Job friends! nautilus is very speeding and evolving! I have only a doubt... not about nautilus but 'bout gnome panel on the top.... why I can't drag windows under it? I tried whit metacity.... and I can't... it's absurd! however this mail is a mail of gratitude to you all, developers! Special tnx to the path "keep aligned", very very usefull, I waited for it for months!!! ciao!! -- Perseo Mazzoni www.ProgFree.3000.it www.cs.unibo.it/~pmazzoni ICQ #175133495 From nautilus-list@lists.thewrittenword.com Tue May 6 07:10:49 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from spuckler.il.thewrittenword.com (mail2.thewrittenword.com [67.95.107.111]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16B0A18848 for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 07:10:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spuckler.il.thewrittenword.com (localhost.il.thewrittenword.com [127.0.0.1]) by spuckler.il.thewrittenword.com (8.12.7p2/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h46BAmSN062052 for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 06:10:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from china@localhost) by spuckler.il.thewrittenword.com (8.12.7p2/8.12.7) id h46BAmZl062051 for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Tue, 6 May 2003 06:10:48 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 06:10:48 -0500 From: Albert Chin To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: No file icons showing up on Solaris 9/SPARC Message-ID: <20030506111048.GA61861@spuckler.il.thewrittenword.com> Reply-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org References: <20030505212308.GB41929@spuckler.il.thewrittenword.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Tue, May 06, 2003 at 04:06:22AM -0400, Alexander Larsson wrote: > On Mon, 5 May 2003, Albert Chin wrote: > > > On Mon, May 05, 2003 at 12:57:53PM -0500, Albert Chin wrote: > > > I've compiled nautilus-2.2.3.1 for GNOME 2.2.1 on Solaris 9/SPARC with > > > the Sun C compiler. When I start Nautilus, only one type of icon shows > > > up: > > > ftp://ftp.thewrittenword.com/outgoing/pub/nautilus.png > > > > > > This is quite different from nautilus-2.0.7 on GNOME 2.0.2 which > > > appears to display ok. The necessary icons are in DATADIR + > > > "/pixmaps/document-icons/". However, nautilus-find-icon-image.c > > > doesn't exist in nautilus-2.2.3.1 anymore. What is responsible for > > > looking up the icons in DATADIR + "/pixmaps/document-icons/"? > > > > Ok, I installed gnome-icon-theme-1.0.2 and gnome-themes-2.2.1. This > > didn't solve the problem. It seems GNOME is looking for > > $prefix/share/icons/hicolor (KDE has this directory). If I symlink one > > of the icon themes in gnome-icon-theme-1.0.2 to > > $prefix/share/icons/hicolor, then I get icons in Nautilus. Is this how > > it's suppose to work? > > No. gnome-icon-theme installs a theme called "gnome", and the default icon > theme used is supposed to be "gnome". "hicolor" is just looked in for > backwards and KDE compatibility. Where is this default "gnome" theme specified? I had to apply the patch below to get the $prefix/share/icons/gnome theme recognized by default. It's no doubt wrong but I don't know what the correct solution is. -- albert chin (china@thewrittenword.com) -- snip snip --- libgnomeui/gnome-icon-theme.c.orig Mon May 5 16:46:59 2003 +++ libgnomeui/gnome-icon-theme.c Mon May 5 16:47:08 2003 @@ -268,7 +268,7 @@ icon_theme->priv = priv; priv->custom_theme = FALSE; - priv->current_theme = g_strdup ("hicolor"); + priv->current_theme = g_strdup ("gnome"); priv->search_path = g_new (char *, 5); @@ -637,7 +637,7 @@ insert_theme (icon_theme, priv->current_theme); /* Always look in the "default" icon theme */ - insert_theme (icon_theme, "hicolor"); + insert_theme (icon_theme, "gnome"); priv->themes = g_list_reverse (priv->themes); priv->unthemed_icons = g_hash_table_new_full (g_str_hash, g_str_equal, From bordoley@msu.edu Tue May 6 08:00:17 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from sys10.mail.msu.edu (sys10.mail.msu.edu [35.9.75.110]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53CA718858 for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 08:00:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bordoley by sys10.mail.msu.edu with local (Exim 4.10 #3) (authenticated as bordoley) id 19D17H-000H1z-00; Tue, 06 May 2003 08:00:15 -0400 References: In-Reply-To: From: "David Adam Bordoley" To: Alexander Larsson Cc: Danny , nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Patch: Mouse wheel on the zoom level widget ;) Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 08:00:15 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Alexander Larsson writes: > On 5 May 2003, Danny wrote: > >> Hi! :) >> >> I've done a small patch: >> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=109996 >> >> It allows changing the zoom level with the mouse wheel when the pointer >> is above the zoom level widget ;) > > Thanks a lot. I commited this to cvs. Not to come off as an unappreciative nag :) but are you guys still planning on replacing the zoom widget with a generic gtk style one. I know there have been a few patches floating around the list and in bugzilla to do this and the ally team would probably appreciate it :) dave From alexl@redhat.com Tue May 6 09:00:06 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50F5A188AA for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 09:00:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (alexl@localhost) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h46D05Q16539 for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 09:00:05 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: devserv.devel.redhat.com: alexl owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 09:00:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Alexander Larsson X-X-Sender: alexl@devserv.devel.redhat.com To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: No file icons showing up on Solaris 9/SPARC In-Reply-To: <20030506111048.GA61861@spuckler.il.thewrittenword.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Tue, 6 May 2003, Albert Chin wrote: > On Tue, May 06, 2003 at 04:06:22AM -0400, Alexander Larsson wrote: > > On Mon, 5 May 2003, Albert Chin wrote: > > > > > On Mon, May 05, 2003 at 12:57:53PM -0500, Albert Chin wrote: > > > > I've compiled nautilus-2.2.3.1 for GNOME 2.2.1 on Solaris 9/SPARC with > > > > the Sun C compiler. When I start Nautilus, only one type of icon shows > > > > up: > > > > ftp://ftp.thewrittenword.com/outgoing/pub/nautilus.png > > > > > > > > This is quite different from nautilus-2.0.7 on GNOME 2.0.2 which > > > > appears to display ok. The necessary icons are in DATADIR + > > > > "/pixmaps/document-icons/". However, nautilus-find-icon-image.c > > > > doesn't exist in nautilus-2.2.3.1 anymore. What is responsible for > > > > looking up the icons in DATADIR + "/pixmaps/document-icons/"? > > > > > > Ok, I installed gnome-icon-theme-1.0.2 and gnome-themes-2.2.1. This > > > didn't solve the problem. It seems GNOME is looking for > > > $prefix/share/icons/hicolor (KDE has this directory). If I symlink one > > > of the icon themes in gnome-icon-theme-1.0.2 to > > > $prefix/share/icons/hicolor, then I get icons in Nautilus. Is this how > > > it's suppose to work? > > > > No. gnome-icon-theme installs a theme called "gnome", and the default icon > > theme used is supposed to be "gnome". "hicolor" is just looked in for > > backwards and KDE compatibility. > > Where is this default "gnome" theme specified? I had to apply the > patch below to get the $prefix/share/icons/gnome theme recognized by > default. It's no doubt wrong but I don't know what the correct > solution is. The default is set in the schema file for the /desktop/gnome/interface/icon_theme gconf key. It's in the desktop_gnome_interface.schemas file in libgnome. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a deeply religious crooked shaman moving from town to town, helping folk in trouble. She's a virginal tomboy Hell's Angel from Mars. They fight crime! From alexl@redhat.com Tue May 6 09:00:50 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2113188AA for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 09:00:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (alexl@localhost) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h46D0jD16598; Tue, 6 May 2003 09:00:45 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: devserv.devel.redhat.com: alexl owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 6 May 2003 09:00:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Alexander Larsson X-X-Sender: alexl@devserv.devel.redhat.com To: David Adam Bordoley Cc: Danny , Subject: Re: Patch: Mouse wheel on the zoom level widget ;) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Tue, 6 May 2003, David Adam Bordoley wrote: > Alexander Larsson writes: > > > On 5 May 2003, Danny wrote: > > > >> Hi! :) > >> > >> I've done a small patch: > >> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=109996 > >> > >> It allows changing the zoom level with the mouse wheel when the pointer > >> is above the zoom level widget ;) > > > > Thanks a lot. I commited this to cvs. > > Not to come off as an unappreciative nag :) but are you guys still planning > on replacing the zoom widget with a generic gtk style one. I know there have > been a few patches floating around the list and in bugzilla to do this and > the ally team would probably appreciate it :) Nag nag nag! :) Yeah. Thats the plan(tm). -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a jaded vegetarian messiah with a mysterious suitcase handcuffed to his arm. She's a transdimensional wisecracking research scientist trying to make a difference in a man's world. They fight crime! From ben@xsusio.com Tue May 6 11:34:26 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from ms-smtp-01.texas.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.texas.rr.com [24.93.36.229]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 532071834D; Tue, 6 May 2003 11:34:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xsusio.com (cs24162123-191.hot.rr.com [24.162.123.191]) by ms-smtp-01.texas.rr.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h46FYO8b020505; Tue, 6 May 2003 10:34:25 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3EB7D600.2020902@xsusio.com> Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 10:34:24 -0500 From: Ben Davis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030317 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nautilus-list@gnome.org, gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Show Desktop Button behavior Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: When I click the "Show Desktop" button, it minimizes all the windows, but if I open something on the desktop it re-shows all the windows. I'd expect it to leave the windows minimized until I'm finished doing what I'm doing on the desktop. Here's the behavior would I expect it to have (in pseudo-code) Click button { if (there are windows open) { minimize them all; "remember" which ones were minimized; } else { if (there are "remembered windows"); show the "remembered windows"; else do nothing; } } Does anyone else agree w/ me? If not, I would like to create my own patch for personal use. Can someone point me to the relevant source ? Thanks, Ben Davis From julo@altern.org Tue May 6 11:51:23 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mwinf0101.wanadoo.fr (smtp8.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.30]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FC5818963; Tue, 6 May 2003 11:51:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.228] (Mix-Toulouse-209-2-168.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.248.80.168]) by mwinf0101.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id D2650C000159; Tue, 6 May 2003 17:51:21 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Show Desktop Button behavior From: Julien Olivier To: Ben Davis Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org, gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <3EB7D600.2020902@xsusio.com> References: <3EB7D600.2020902@xsusio.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Organization: Message-Id: <1052236259.2623.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-4) Date: 06 May 2003 17:50:59 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi I've already done a patch for that. It's on Bugzilla but I can't find it back... Bugzilla is really broken it seems... I'm still trying to find it. Le mar 06/05/2003 à 17:34, Ben Davis a écrit : > When I click the "Show Desktop" button, it minimizes all the windows, > but if I open something on the desktop it re-shows all the windows. I'd > expect it to leave the windows minimized until I'm finished doing what > I'm doing on the desktop. > > Here's the behavior would I expect it to have (in pseudo-code) > > Click button > { > if (there are windows open) { > minimize them all; > "remember" which ones were minimized; > } else { > if (there are "remembered windows"); > show the "remembered windows"; > else > do nothing; > } > } > > > Does anyone else agree w/ me? If not, I would like to create my own > patch for personal use. Can someone point me to the relevant source ? > > Thanks, > Ben Davis From calum.benson@sun.com Tue May 6 11:51:30 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (nwkea-mail-1.sun.com [192.18.42.13]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4960418745; Tue, 6 May 2003 11:51:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM ([129.156.220.69]) by nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (8.9.3p2+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA14068; Tue, 6 May 2003 08:51:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sr-edub03-03 (sr-edub03-03 [129.156.237.102]) by dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM (8.11.7+Sun/8.10.2/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id h46FpQh05359; Tue, 6 May 2003 16:51:27 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Show Desktop Button behavior From: Calum Benson To: Ben Davis Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org, gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <3EB7D600.2020902@xsusio.com> References: <3EB7D600.2020902@xsusio.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Sun Microsystems Ireland Ltd Message-Id: <1052236282.20920.19.camel@sr-edub03-03> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.1 Date: 06 May 2003 16:51:26 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Tue, 2003-05-06 at 16:34, Ben Davis wrote: > Does anyone else agree w/ me? There's a bug open about this which suggests 'yes' :) http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92335 Cheeri, Calum. -- CALUM BENSON, Usability Engineer Sun Microsystems Ireland mailto:calum.benson@sun.com GNOME Desktop Group http://ie.sun.com +353 1 819 9771 Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Sun Microsystems From julo@altern.org Tue May 6 12:01:49 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mwinf0302.wanadoo.fr (smtp6.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.28]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D66E18A11; Tue, 6 May 2003 12:01:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.228] (Mix-Toulouse-209-2-168.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.248.80.168]) by mwinf0302.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id AF7E3C0002AA; Tue, 6 May 2003 18:01:47 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Show Desktop Button behavior From: Julien Olivier To: Calum Benson Cc: Ben Davis , nautilus-list@gnome.org, gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1052236282.20920.19.camel@sr-edub03-03> References: <3EB7D600.2020902@xsusio.com> <1052236282.20920.19.camel@sr-edub03-03> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1052236885.2623.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-4) Date: 06 May 2003 18:01:25 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92335 That's the one I was looking for :) Thanks. From gardnerbiggs@houston.rr.com Tue May 6 13:27:03 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from ms-smtp-02.texas.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.texas.rr.com [24.93.36.230]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10678183D3 for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 13:27:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] (cs2417580-49.houston.rr.com [24.175.80.49]) by ms-smtp-02.texas.rr.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h46HR1nV019839 for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 12:27:02 -0500 (CDT) Subject: 2.3.1 Segfault on startup From: "J. Gardner Biggs" To: nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <3EB7D600.2020902@xsusio.com> References: <3EB7D600.2020902@xsusio.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1052242020.2847.1.camel@gort> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.2 (Preview Release) Date: 06 May 2003 12:27:01 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Upgraded eel and gnome-vfs to 2.3.1 before installing nautilus 2.3.1 Now it segfaults on startup. Am I missing some dep that the configure script misses? Stock RedHat 9.0 system, above installed to /usr/local. 2.2.3.1 worked great! From rees@netnam.vn Tue May 6 13:35:19 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from ns3.netnam.vn (unknown [203.162.7.80]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB7DF180F4 for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 13:35:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netnam.vn (ci75_90.netnam.vn [203.162.75.90] (may be forged)) by ns3.netnam.vn (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h46HbOp18356; Wed, 7 May 2003 00:37:24 +0700 Message-ID: <3EB7F26B.5000706@netnam.vn> Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 00:35:39 +0700 From: Darryl Rees User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Danny Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Patch: Mouse wheel on the zoom level widget ;) References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Alexander Larsson wrote: >On 5 May 2003, Danny wrote: > > > >>Hi! :) >> >>I've done a small patch: >>http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=109996 >> >>It allows changing the zoom level with the mouse wheel when the pointer >>is above the zoom level widget ;) >> >> > >Thanks a lot. I commited this to cvs. > > > Cooool baby cool! Just way f_ing cool. This nautilus thingy is really starting to kick serious arse. Darryl. From mazzoni.perseo@tiscalinet.it Tue May 6 15:25:48 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from eta.fastwebnet.it (unknown [213.140.2.50]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 847BA18846 for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 15:25:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tiscalinet.it (37.0.232.41) by eta.fastwebnet.it (6.7.016) id 3EAF5CD200128DD2 for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Tue, 6 May 2003 21:25:46 +0200 Message-ID: <3EB80C42.1010800@tiscalinet.it> Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 21:25:54 +0200 From: Mazzoni Perseo User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030327 Debian/1.3-4 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: raise opened windows when try to open new one Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hello boy... After so many time i'm using nautilus I think this can be a useful thing to do: If i opened my home dir and I minimized it, when I try to re-open my home dir, for example, nautilus could raise my old opened window.... I think this can be usefull because I find myself to re-open again and again windows opened and just minimized..... What do you think 'bout this idea? ciaooo! -- Perseo Mazzoni www.ProgFree.3000.it www.cs.unibo.it/~pmazzoni ICQ #175133495 From pborelli@katamail.com Tue May 6 16:50:30 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mid-2.inet.it (mid-2.inet.it [213.92.5.19]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD40C1875A for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 16:50:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [::ffff:213.255.92.1] by mid-2.inet.it via I-SMTP-4.4.2-442 id ::ffff:213.255.92.1+TdbT9ncPVSou; Tue, 06 May 2003 22:50:28 +0200 Subject: Re: raise opened windows when try to open new one From: paolo borelli To: nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <3EB80C42.1010800@tiscalinet.it> References: <3EB80C42.1010800@tiscalinet.it> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1052254353.7290.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.2.99 (Preview Release) Date: 06 May 2003 22:52:33 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Tue, 2003-05-06 at 21:25, Mazzoni Perseo wrote: > Hello boy... > > After so many time i'm using nautilus I think this can be a useful thing > to do: > > If i opened my home dir and I minimized it, when I try to re-open my > home dir, for example, nautilus could raise my old opened window.... > I think this can be usefull because I find myself to re-open again and > again windows opened and just minimized..... > > What do you think 'bout this idea? > I bought a book I like, I put it on my desk then I went to the bookshop and bought the same book... maybe someone should teach the bookseller to go into my home, check if I already have the book on my desk and act accordingly ;) The window list applet exist for a reason... beside what happens if _do_ want to open the same dir twice? ciao paolo From julo@altern.org Tue May 6 17:02:50 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mwinf0301.wanadoo.fr (smtp6.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.28]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7D3618277 for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 17:02:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.228] (Mix-Toulouse-209-4-243.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.250.118.243]) by mwinf0301.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 3555E400801; Tue, 6 May 2003 23:02:04 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: raise opened windows when try to open new one From: Julien Olivier To: paolo borelli Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1052254353.7290.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <3EB80C42.1010800@tiscalinet.it> <1052254353.7290.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1052254857.3342.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-4) Date: 06 May 2003 23:00:58 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > I bought a book I like, I put it on my desk then I went to the bookshop > and bought the same book... maybe someone should teach > the bookseller to go into my home, check if I already have the book on > my desk and act accordingly ;) > Well, if it was fast, secure and free, I would LOVE the bookseller to go check in my home if I don't already have the book ! I mean, what sounds impossible in real life is possible on computers. So let's do it ! > The window list applet exist for a reason... beside what happens if _do_ > want to open the same dir twice? The window list is here to help you find minimized apps. But if your forgot you opened your home directory, I don't see why you would have to ne "punished" for that (by having 2 home directories opened) if we can avoid that. The only problem could be if someone really wants to open ~/ twice. But, really, how could this be useful ? From gardnerbiggs@houston.rr.com Tue May 6 17:11:56 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from ms-smtp-02.texas.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.texas.rr.com [24.93.36.230]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 490521894B for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 17:11:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] (cs2417580-49.houston.rr.com [24.175.80.49]) by ms-smtp-02.texas.rr.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h46LBsnV015659 for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 16:11:55 -0500 (CDT) From: "J. Gardner Biggs" To: nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1052242020.2847.1.camel@gort> References: <3EB7D600.2020902@xsusio.com> <1052242020.2847.1.camel@gort> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1052255513.2242.3.camel@gort> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.2 (Preview Release) Date: 06 May 2003 16:11:53 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: (no subject) Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Tue, 2003-05-06 at 12:27, J. Gardner Biggs wrote: > Upgraded eel and gnome-vfs to 2.3.1 before installing nautilus 2.3.1 > > Now it segfaults on startup. Am I missing some dep that the configure > script misses? > > Stock RedHat 9.0 system, above installed to /usr/local. 2.2.3.1 worked > great! Ok, I have determined that my problem lies in that bonobo is looking to /usr/lib/bonobo/servers before /usr/local/lib/bonobo/servers, and that the older *.server files in /usr are creating the problems. So, now how do I get bonobo to look to /usr/local before /usr? In the past (nautilus-2.2.3.1 worked this way) I just added the following line to /etc/bonobo-activation/bonobo-activation-config.xml: /usr/local/lib/bonobo/servers Thanks for the help. From bordoley@msu.edu Tue May 6 18:45:50 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from sys02.mail.msu.edu (sys02.mail.msu.edu [35.9.75.102]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DE0818262 for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 18:45:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bordoley by sys02.mail.msu.edu with local (Exim 4.10 #3) (authenticated as bordoley) id 19DBC1-000HXf-00; Tue, 06 May 2003 18:45:49 -0400 References: <3EB80C42.1010800@tiscalinet.it> <1052254353.7290.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <1052254353.7290.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> From: "David Adam Bordoley" To: paolo borelli Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: raise opened windows when try to open new one Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 18:45:49 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: paolo borelli writes: > On Tue, 2003-05-06 at 21:25, Mazzoni Perseo wrote: >> Hello boy... >> >> After so many time i'm using nautilus I think this can be a useful thing >> to do: >> >> If i opened my home dir and I minimized it, when I try to re-open my >> home dir, for example, nautilus could raise my old opened window.... >> I think this can be usefull because I find myself to re-open again and >> again windows opened and just minimized..... >> >> What do you think 'bout this idea? >> > > I bought a book I like, I put it on my desk then I went to the bookshop > and bought the same book... maybe someone should teach > the bookseller to go into my home, check if I already have the book on > my desk and act accordingly ;) > > The window list applet exist for a reason... beside what happens if _do_ > want to open the same dir twice? > > ciao > paolo > Well if you use open in new window mode, the above described behavior is actually used. Basically he's asking for nautilus to treat folders a little bit more like objects, whether or not this works in the current nautilus ui, i'm not sure. dave From wleggette@gate.net Tue May 6 20:59:16 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mclean.mail.mindspring.net (mclean.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.57]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EBA11898F for ; Tue, 6 May 2003 20:59:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from user-119bcg3.biz.mindspring.com ([66.149.178.3] helo=[192.168.0.1]) by mclean.mail.mindspring.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19DDH9-0003EP-00 for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Tue, 06 May 2003 20:59:15 -0400 Subject: Re: raise opened windows when try to open new one From: Wesley Leggette To: nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1052254857.3342.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <3EB80C42.1010800@tiscalinet.it> <1052254353.7290.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1052254857.3342.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1052268555.23816.16.camel@cyr.kaylix.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.1- Date: 06 May 2003 19:49:15 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Tue, 2003-05-06 at 16:00, Julien Olivier wrote: > > I bought a book I like, I put it on my desk then I went to the bookshop > > and bought the same book... maybe someone should teach > > the bookseller to go into my home, check if I already have the book on > > my desk and act accordingly ;) > > > > Well, if it was fast, secure and free, I would LOVE the bookseller to go > check in my home if I don't already have the book ! I mean, what sounds > impossible in real life is possible on computers. So let's do it ! > > > The window list applet exist for a reason... beside what happens if _do_ > > want to open the same dir twice? > > The window list is here to help you find minimized apps. But if your > forgot you opened your home directory, I don't see why you would have to > ne "punished" for that (by having 2 home directories opened) if we can > avoid that. > > The only problem could be if someone really wants to open ~/ twice. But, > really, how could this be useful ? You're right. There was actually some discussion on this topic in a recent arstechnica article about the Macintosh Finder. The complaint was that the finder (and I suppose nautilus for that matter) should treat folders more like real life objects. The reasoning was that it helped develop muscle memory or something like that. I think this topic may have been mentioned on the usability list too. -- Wesley Leggette From gcgn-nautilus-list@m.gmane.org Wed May 7 02:23:49 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from main.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.224.249]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6166618850 for ; Wed, 7 May 2003 02:23:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19DIJF-00085T-00 for ; Wed, 07 May 2003 08:21:45 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from news by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 19DIIN-00082q-00 for ; Wed, 07 May 2003 08:20:51 +0200 From: Michael Toomim Subject: Re: raise opened windows when try to open new one Date: Tue, 06 May 2003 23:22:13 -0700 Lines: 34 Message-ID: References: <3EB80C42.1010800@tiscalinet.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4a) Gecko/20030326 X-Accept-Language: en In-Reply-To: <3EB80C42.1010800@tiscalinet.it> Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Mazzoni Perseo wrote: > Hello boy... > > After so many time i'm using nautilus I think this can be a useful thing > to do: > > If i opened my home dir and I minimized it, when I try to re-open my > home dir, for example, nautilus could raise my old opened window.... > I think this can be usefull because I find myself to re-open again and > again windows opened and just minimized..... > > What do you think 'bout this idea? > > ciaooo! > I don't think this model works when you have multiple workspaces. What if you opened your home folder on a different workspace? When you open a new one, do you want it to switch to that workspace and focus the old window? I doubt it, as that would be really confusing, and would keep you from having access to your home folder on multiple workspaces at the same time. But it's inconsistent to allow new windows to be opened for folders ONLY if the existing windows are on other workspaces. Also, if you want to open two windows (one for ~/pictures and one for ~/work), it's natural to double-click twice on the home folder icon, and then browse to the new directories. I think it would be confusing if the second double-click didn't do anything. You'd have to give some sort of special user-feedback to make the user know why double-clicking again didn't do anything. From mazzoni.perseo@tiscalinet.it Wed May 7 03:40:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from eta.fastwebnet.it (unknown [213.140.2.50]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64B79189B7 for ; Wed, 7 May 2003 03:40:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tiscalinet.it (37.0.232.41) by eta.fastwebnet.it (6.7.016) id 3EAF5CD200133D25 for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Wed, 7 May 2003 09:40:51 +0200 Message-ID: <3EB8B88B.2040208@tiscalinet.it> Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 09:40:59 +0200 From: Mazzoni Perseo User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030327 Debian/1.3-4 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: raise opened windows when try to open new one References: <3EB80C42.1010800@tiscalinet.it> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Michael Toomim wrote: > Mazzoni Perseo wrote: > >> Hello boy... >> >> After so many time i'm using nautilus I think this can be a useful >> thing to do: >> >> If i opened my home dir and I minimized it, when I try to re-open my >> home dir, for example, nautilus could raise my old opened window.... >> I think this can be usefull because I find myself to re-open again >> and again windows opened and just minimized..... >> >> What do you think 'bout this idea? >> >> ciaooo! >> > > I don't think this model works when you have multiple workspaces. > > What if you opened your home folder on a different workspace? When > you open a new one, do you want it to switch to that workspace and > focus the old window? > > I doubt it, as that would be really confusing, and would keep you from > having access to your home folder on multiple workspaces at the same > time. But it's inconsistent to allow new windows to be opened for > folders ONLY if the existing windows are on other workspaces. > > Also, if you want to open two windows (one for ~/pictures and one for > ~/work), it's natural to double-click twice on the home folder icon, > and then browse to the new directories. I think it would be confusing > if the second double-click didn't do anything. You'd have to give > some sort of special user-feedback to make the user know why > double-clicking again didn't do anything. > > mmm.... if u double click your home, naut opens it. when you double click ~/pictures naut will open it in a new window. if you minimize home then double click it again naut will raise your old homedir, when you double click your ~/work, naut will open it in a new windows.... or not? I think a new "mode" is required, or however a new option that can be disabled, to leave the users the possibility to switch to the mode they prefer... -- Perseo Mazzoni www.ProgFree.3000.it www.cs.unibo.it/~pmazzoni ICQ #175133495 From gavrilus@tiscalinet.it Wed May 7 05:24:31 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from alfa.fastwebnet.it (unknown [213.140.2.42]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10B78181AE for ; Wed, 7 May 2003 05:24:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [23.15.109.75] (23.15.109.75) by alfa.fastwebnet.it (6.7.016) id 3EAF5CEF000E2A8A for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Wed, 7 May 2003 11:24:25 +0200 Subject: Re: raise opened windows when try to open new one From: Gavrila To: Nautilus List In-Reply-To: <3EB8B88B.2040208@tiscalinet.it> References: <3EB80C42.1010800@tiscalinet.it> <3EB8B88B.2040208@tiscalinet.it> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1052299464.576.4.camel@Kreuzberg> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.4 Date: 07 May 2003 11:24:25 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > >> Hello boy... > >> > >> After so many time i'm using nautilus I think this can be a useful > >> thing to do: > >> > >> If i opened my home dir and I minimized it, when I try to re-open > my > >> home dir, for example, nautilus could raise my old opened > window.... > >> I think this can be usefull because I find myself to re-open again > >> and again windows opened and just minimized..... > >> > >> What do you think 'bout this idea? > >> > >> ciaooo! > >> If I have to browse with nautilus in 2 different windows I always start clicking on home twice, so I think this idea could bother me a lot. Thmb down :) Ciao -- Gavrila Linux Registered User Linux Registered Machine Powered by Debian[SiD] From julo@altern.org Wed May 7 05:31:39 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mwinf0304.wanadoo.fr (smtp6.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.28]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E230181AE for ; Wed, 7 May 2003 05:31:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.228] (Mix-Toulouse-206-1-172.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.248.213.172]) by mwinf0304.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 6980BA803F9C; Wed, 7 May 2003 11:31:37 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: raise opened windows when try to open new one From: Julien Olivier To: Gavrila Cc: Nautilus List In-Reply-To: <1052299464.576.4.camel@Kreuzberg> References: <3EB80C42.1010800@tiscalinet.it> <3EB8B88B.2040208@tiscalinet.it> <1052299464.576.4.camel@Kreuzberg> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Organization: Message-Id: <1052299875.2663.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-4) Date: 07 May 2003 11:31:16 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Le mer 07/05/2003 à 11:24, Gavrila a écrit : > > >> Hello boy... > > >> > > >> After so many time i'm using nautilus I think this can be a useful > > >> thing to do: > > >> > > >> If i opened my home dir and I minimized it, when I try to re-open > > my > > >> home dir, for example, nautilus could raise my old opened > > window.... > > >> I think this can be usefull because I find myself to re-open again > > >> and again windows opened and just minimized..... > > >> > > >> What do you think 'bout this idea? > > >> > > >> ciaooo! > > >> > > If I have to browse with nautilus in 2 different windows I always start > clicking on home twice, so I think this idea could bother me a lot. Thmb > down :) > Maybe that should do that only if you have only 1 instance on HOME opened and that this instance is maximized. This way, if you open HOME once, then click on it again, it'll open a second window. But if you open HOME once, then minimize it, then open HOME again, it will unminimize the first HOME and bring it to the front (and, eventually bring it to the workspace you're on). If you click on HOME again, it will open a second HOME. If you have already opened 2 or more HOME folders and you have minimized all of them, clicking on HOME again will open a new one because it seems that you WANT to have more than 1 HOME window opened. Doesn't that sound perfect ? > Ciao > > -- > Gavrila > Linux Registered User > Linux Registered Machine > Powered by Debian[SiD] From julo@altern.org Wed May 7 05:36:55 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mwinf0203.wanadoo.fr (smtp7.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.29]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50C22181AE for ; Wed, 7 May 2003 05:36:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.228] (Mix-Toulouse-206-1-172.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.248.213.172]) by mwinf0203.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9EFE310001D4; Wed, 7 May 2003 11:36:53 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: raise opened windows when try to open new one From: Julien Olivier To: Gavrila Cc: Nautilus List In-Reply-To: <1052299875.2663.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <3EB80C42.1010800@tiscalinet.it> <3EB8B88B.2040208@tiscalinet.it> <1052299464.576.4.camel@Kreuzberg> <1052299875.2663.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1052300192.2663.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-4) Date: 07 May 2003 11:36:32 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > Maybe that should do that only if you have only 1 instance on HOME > opened and that this instance is maximized. > Sorry: s/maximized/minimized s/on HOME/of HOME From julo@altern.org Wed May 7 06:01:41 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mwinf0403.wanadoo.fr (smtp5.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.27]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34737184B4 for ; Wed, 7 May 2003 06:01:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.228] (Mix-Toulouse-206-1-172.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.248.213.172]) by mwinf0403.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 495585000215; Wed, 7 May 2003 12:01:37 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: raise opened windows when try to open new one From: Julien Olivier To: Mazzoni Perseo Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <3EB80C42.1010800@tiscalinet.it> References: <3EB80C42.1010800@tiscalinet.it> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Organization: Message-Id: <1052301676.2663.23.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-4) Date: 07 May 2003 12:01:16 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I've just filed a bug about that with my proposition. It's here: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=112475 Feel free to add your comments here. Le mar 06/05/2003 à 21:25, Mazzoni Perseo a écrit : > Hello boy... > > After so many time i'm using nautilus I think this can be a useful thing > to do: > > If i opened my home dir and I minimized it, when I try to re-open my > home dir, for example, nautilus could raise my old opened window.... > I think this can be usefull because I find myself to re-open again and > again windows opened and just minimized..... > > What do you think 'bout this idea? > > ciaooo! > > -- > Perseo Mazzoni > www.ProgFree.3000.it > www.cs.unibo.it/~pmazzoni > ICQ #175133495 > From michael@ximian.com Wed May 7 06:04:37 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [141.154.95.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2A6B184E8 for ; Wed, 7 May 2003 06:04:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 6053 invoked from network); 7 May 2003 10:04:36 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO michael.home) (michael@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 7 May 2003 10:04:36 -0000 Subject: Re: (no subject) From: Michael Meeks To: "J. Gardner Biggs" Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1052255513.2242.3.camel@gort> References: <3EB7D600.2020902@xsusio.com> <1052242020.2847.1.camel@gort> <1052255513.2242.3.camel@gort> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Ximian. Message-Id: <1052297965.9142.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (Preview Release) Date: 07 May 2003 09:59:25 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi J, On Tue, 2003-05-06 at 22:11, J. Gardner Biggs wrote: > Ok, I have determined that my problem lies in that bonobo is looking to > /usr/lib/bonobo/servers before /usr/local/lib/bonobo/servers, and that > the older *.server files in /usr are creating the problems. There are several ways to do this; If you're using Gnome 2.3.1 you can have a completely isolated and separate activation environment; just do: export TMPDIR=/opt/otherprefix/tmp export BONOBO_ACTIVATION_PATH=/opt/otherprefix Then (I believe) a new b-a-s will be started for that prefix. HTH, Michael. -- mmeeks@gnu.org <><, Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot From mazzoni.perseo@tiscalinet.it Wed May 7 06:16:57 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from eta.fastwebnet.it (unknown [213.140.2.50]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A3C118218 for ; Wed, 7 May 2003 06:16:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tiscalinet.it (37.0.232.41) by eta.fastwebnet.it (6.7.016) id 3EAF5CD20013A0A8 for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Wed, 7 May 2003 12:16:56 +0200 Message-ID: <3EB8DD20.6050307@tiscalinet.it> Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 12:17:04 +0200 From: Mazzoni Perseo User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030430 Debian/1.3-5 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Nautilus List Subject: Re: raise opened windows when try to open new one References: <3EB80C42.1010800@tiscalinet.it> <3EB8B88B.2040208@tiscalinet.it> <1052299464.576.4.camel@Kreuzberg> <1052299875.2663.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <1052299875.2663.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Julien Olivier wrote: >Le mer 07/05/2003 à 11:24, Gavrila a écrit : > > >>>>>Hello boy... >>>>> >>>>>After so many time i'm using nautilus I think this can be a useful >>>>>thing to do: >>>>> >>>>>If i opened my home dir and I minimized it, when I try to re-open >>>>> >>>>> >>>my >>> >>> >>>>>home dir, for example, nautilus could raise my old opened >>>>> >>>>> >>>window.... >>> >>> >>>>>I think this can be usefull because I find myself to re-open again >>>>>and again windows opened and just minimized..... >>>>> >>>>>What do you think 'bout this idea? >>>>> >>>>>ciaooo! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>If I have to browse with nautilus in 2 different windows I always start >>clicking on home twice, so I think this idea could bother me a lot. Thmb >>down :) >> >> >> > >Maybe that should do that only if you have only 1 instance on HOME >opened and that this instance is maximized. > >This way, if you open HOME once, then click on it again, it'll open a >second window. > >But if you open HOME once, then minimize it, then open HOME again, it >will unminimize the first HOME and bring it to the front (and, >eventually bring it to the workspace you're on). If you click on HOME >again, it will open a second HOME. > >If you have already opened 2 or more HOME folders and you have minimized >all of them, clicking on HOME again will open a new one because it seems >that you WANT to have more than 1 HOME window opened. > >Doesn't that sound perfect ? > this is a good idea in my opinion, it acts better than the option "open all the items in a new window" that nautilus already has... -- Perseo Mazzoni www.ProgFree.3000.it www.cs.unibo.it/~pmazzoni ICQ #175133495 From elle.uca@libero.it Wed May 7 06:40:11 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp3.libero.it (smtp3.libero.it [193.70.192.127]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8A051850A for ; Wed, 7 May 2003 06:40:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp-235-157.24-151.libero.it (151.24.157.235) by smtp3.libero.it (7.0.012) id 3EAD4AC5002F2163 for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Wed, 7 May 2003 12:40:10 +0200 Subject: A couple of troubles in schema files From: Luca Ferretti To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1052235088.19029.4.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2-3mdk Date: 07 May 2003 12:34:36 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I'm updating translation and I find: 1. Sometime, expecially in it's used "nautilus", sometime "Nautilus" (see /schemas/apps/nautilus/preferences/enable_delete and /schemas/apps/nautilus/preferences/window_always_new ) 2. for /schemas/apps/nautilus/preferences/background_color is wrong (use the background_filename one) Actually I've no time to make something, sorry. -- Think bigger My uncle From elle.uca@libero.it Wed May 7 06:42:10 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp2.libero.it (smtp2.libero.it [193.70.192.52]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2E3418577 for ; Wed, 7 May 2003 06:42:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp-235-157.24-151.libero.it (151.24.157.235) by smtp2.libero.it (7.0.012) id 3E9BEBC3007E956D; Wed, 7 May 2003 12:42:03 +0200 Subject: Re: "Keep Aligned" mode in nautilus From: Luca Ferretti To: Alexander Larsson Cc: Ali Akcaagac , nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1052303262.2241.12.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2-3mdk Date: 07 May 2003 12:35:55 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Il lun, 2003-05-05 alle 17:13, Alexander Larsson ha scritto: > On 4 May 2003, Ali Akcaagac wrote: > > Its seems to be pretty uncommon with people feeling gratitude these days. > Most comments we got at gnomedesktop.org for implementing a much requested > feature were big "fuck you"s, and that sort of thing makes working on free > software pretty meaningless. Yeah, I read it. A really very strange situation. I can understand something like "I dislike it, i want a better one", don't "fuck you, erase nautilus from GNOME": there are no relationship. BTW: IMHO items appears too muck sparse or too muck narrow (in vertical alignment bottom icon overlap top caption), so probably we need a more strict grip, to increase definition (well, it's how oscilloscopes work, dunno if it's the same for desktop grid ;-)) BTW part 2: add a separator between "Align" and "Sort by name" items? I mean: one is a menu-check other is a menu-command, if I'm right HIG said "don't mix them". > Anyway, ignore me, I'm just burnt out and fucked over. True, you are a loser! And, before I forget, fuck you and all people patching/working on Nautilus! :-) -- Think bigger My uncle From mazzoni.perseo@tiscalinet.it Wed May 7 03:54:29 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from eta.fastwebnet.it (unknown [213.140.2.50]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65D5A189B7 for ; Wed, 7 May 2003 03:54:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tiscalinet.it (37.0.232.41) by eta.fastwebnet.it (6.7.016) id 3EAF5CD20013456D for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Wed, 7 May 2003 09:54:27 +0200 Message-ID: <3EB8BBBB.7000008@tiscalinet.it> Date: Wed, 07 May 2003 09:54:35 +0200 From: Mazzoni Perseo User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030327 Debian/1.3-4 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: how about a color block under the icons-text? Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------040304010503060603040608" Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040304010503060603040608 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit With photo wallpapers on the desktop the readibility of icons text on the desktop is small... 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Organization: Sun Microsystems Ireland Ltd Message-Id: <1052317610.3782.1.camel@simcity> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.4.99 Date: 07 May 2003 15:26:54 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sat, 2003-05-03 at 17:20, 张昀 wrote: > Hello, everyone. > > I think we should add right mouse menu at tree sidebar to do general > file functions such as copy, cut, paste, etc. Great minds think alike... I recently opened a bug about this too :) http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug?id=110196 Cheeri, Calum. -- CALUM BENSON, Usability Engineer Sun Microsystems Ireland mailto:calum.benson@sun.com GNOME Desktop Group http://ie.sun.com +353 1 819 9771 Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Sun Microsystems From calum.benson@sun.com Wed May 7 10:45:23 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from kathmandu.sun.com (kathmandu.sun.com [192.18.98.36]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6973A18A4F for ; Wed, 7 May 2003 10:45:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM ([129.156.220.69]) by kathmandu.sun.com (8.9.3p2+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA02285; Wed, 7 May 2003 08:45:22 -0600 (MDT) Received: from simcity (simcity [129.156.238.57]) by dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM (8.11.7+Sun/8.10.2/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id h47EjKh26648; Wed, 7 May 2003 15:45:20 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: how about a color block under the icons-text? From: Calum Benson To: Mazzoni Perseo Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <3EB8BBBB.7000008@tiscalinet.it> References: <3EB8BBBB.7000008@tiscalinet.it> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Sun Microsystems Ireland Ltd Message-Id: <1052318704.3782.9.camel@simcity> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.4.99 Date: 07 May 2003 15:45:20 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, 2003-05-07 at 08:54, Mazzoni Perseo wrote: > With photo wallpapers on the desktop the readibility of icons text on > the desktop is small... > I attach a mini screenshot of the area of my desktop I can't read and > the same part of the desktop highlighted.... You can fix this by adding "NautilusIconContainer::frame_text = 1" to your .gtkrc-2.0 file, IIRC... Cheeri, Calum. -- CALUM BENSON, Usability Engineer Sun Microsystems Ireland mailto:calum.benson@sun.com GNOME Desktop Group http://ie.sun.com +353 1 819 9771 Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Sun Microsystems From r.burton@180sw.com Wed May 7 11:02:44 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow053o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.96]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FC9A189C2 for ; Wed, 7 May 2003 11:02:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gallahad.180sw.com ([62.30.118.71]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Wed, 7 May 2003 16:05:35 +0100 Received: from carados.180sw.com (unknown [192.168.1.28]) by gallahad.180sw.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F711100ABC for ; Wed, 7 May 2003 16:06:47 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: how about a color block under the icons-text? From: Ross Burton To: nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1052318704.3782.9.camel@simcity> References: <3EB8BBBB.7000008@tiscalinet.it> <1052318704.3782.9.camel@simcity> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-v+MIEV/VXyybJ4elc16f" Organization: OneEighty Software Ltd. Message-Id: <1052320007.28372.9.camel@carados.180sw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (Preview Release) Date: 07 May 2003 16:06:47 +0100 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-v+MIEV/VXyybJ4elc16f Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2003-05-07 at 15:45, Calum Benson wrote: > You can fix this by adding "NautilusIconContainer::frame_text =3D 1" to > your .gtkrc-2.0 file, IIRC... This needs to be wrapped in a style. This works: style "nautilus-custom" { NautilusIconContainer::frame_text =3D 1 } class "NautilusIconContainer" style "nautilus-custom" Ross --=20 Ross Burton Software Engineer OneEighty Software Ltd Tel: +44 20 8680 8712 Cygnet House Fax: +44 20 8680 8453 12-14 Sydenham Road r.burton@180sw.com Croydon, Surrey CR9 2ET, UK http://www.180sw.com./ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Under the Regulation of Investigatory Powers (RIP) Act 2000 together with any and all Regulations in force pursuant to the Act OneEighty Software Ltd reserves the right to monitor any or all incoming or outgoing communications as provided for under the Act --=-v+MIEV/VXyybJ4elc16f Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQA+uSEH9jD8Pg92xmYRAsosAJ4n08Wk3zGT1m85DrqRXK3xYvzJzQCfW7b0 5tpOHTWKKWxZRp/NygIro20= =yeh8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-v+MIEV/VXyybJ4elc16f-- From pasupathi.duraisamy@wipro.com Thu May 8 06:28:38 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from wiprom2mx1.wipro.com (wiprom2mx1.wipro.com [203.197.164.41]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABDDF18276 for ; Thu, 8 May 2003 06:28:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m2vwall5.wipro.com (m2vwall5.wipro.com [10.115.50.5]) by wiprom2mx1.wipro.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id h48ASS102833 for ; Thu, 8 May 2003 15:58:28 +0530 (IST) Received: from chn-gdy-msg.wipro.com ([10.146.50.99]) by blr-m1-bh1.wipro.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 8 May 2003 15:58:23 +0530 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C3154C.8D68B1DD" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Subject: [PATCH] libnautilus.so link problem Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 15:58:23 +0530 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [PATCH] libnautilus.so link problem Thread-Index: AcMVTIy25Y8SEys8QFuhygX1cwMgnA== From: "Pasupathi Duraisamy" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2003 10:28:23.0553 (UTC) FILETIME=[8DB31F10:01C3154C] Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3154C.8D68B1DD Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_002_01C3154C.8D68B1DD" ------_=_NextPart_002_01C3154C.8D68B1DD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, libnautilus.so doesn't link to any of the dependent gnome libraries. 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I think it's very useful a "invert selection" item in edit menu of nautilus... what do you think? :-P -- Perseo Mazzoni www.ProgFree.3000.it www.cs.unibo.it/~pmazzoni ICQ #175133495 From jdub@perkypants.org Thu May 8 13:41:04 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-08.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.40]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6918618C27 for ; Thu, 8 May 2003 13:41:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 15478 invoked from network); 8 May 2003 17:29:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO home.perkypants.org) (203.217.69.112) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 8 May 2003 17:29:09 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by home.perkypants.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D29A8C106; Fri, 9 May 2003 03:29:09 +1000 (EST) Received: from home.perkypants.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (katia [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03558-02; Fri, 9 May 2003 03:29:09 +1000 (EST) Received: from lazarus.home (lazarus.home [192.168.10.10]) by home.perkypants.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D02648C102; Fri, 9 May 2003 03:29:08 +1000 (EST) Received: by lazarus.home (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 766D812B6A8; Fri, 9 May 2003 03:29:06 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 03:29:06 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: Mazzoni Perseo Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: another required feature... Message-ID: <20030508172906.GS2836@lazarus> Mail-Followup-To: Mazzoni Perseo , nautilus-list@gnome.org References: <3EBA92F8.7050704@tiscalinet.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3EBA92F8.7050704@tiscalinet.it> Reply-By: Mon May 12 03:28:26 EST 2003 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.4.21-rc1 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 03:28:26 up 5 days, 9:50, 5 users, load average: 0.68, 1.49, 2.01 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030314-p1 (Debian) Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > I think it's very useful a "invert selection" item in edit menu of > nautilus... what do you think? :-P Worth a feature request in bugzilla, if it's not there already. Though I have no idea why you're sticking your tongue out at us. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2004: Adelaide, Australia http://lca2004.linux.org.au/ I used the word 'infrastructure' when describing her cooking style... and she didn't speak to me for a week. From calum.benson@sun.com Thu May 8 13:46:03 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (pheriche.sun.com [192.18.98.34]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39CF018C28 for ; Thu, 8 May 2003 13:46:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM ([129.156.220.69]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h48Hk1Ws008395 for ; Thu, 8 May 2003 11:46:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [129.156.238.57] (simcity [129.156.238.57]) by dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM (8.11.7+Sun/8.10.2/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id h48Hk0h12768 for ; Thu, 8 May 2003 18:46:01 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: another required feature... From: Calum Benson To: nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <3EBA92F8.7050704@tiscalinet.it> References: <3EBA92F8.7050704@tiscalinet.it> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Sun Microsystems Ireland Ltd Message-Id: <1052415959.5316.41.camel@simcity> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.4.99 Date: 08 May 2003 18:46:00 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 2003-05-08 at 18:25, Mazzoni Perseo wrote: > I think it's very useful a "invert selection" item in edit menu of > nautilus... what do you think? :-P I'd be happy enough to see it. But any time I've suggested it before (in Nautilus or anywhere else), somebody argues that it's just as easy to Select All then deselect the items you don't want, as it is to select the items you don't want, then Invert :) So it never gets in... Cheeri, Calum. -- CALUM BENSON, Usability Engineer Sun Microsystems Ireland mailto:calum.benson@sun.com GNOME Desktop Group http://ie.sun.com +353 1 819 9771 Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Sun Microsystems From mazzoni.perseo@tiscalinet.it Thu May 8 13:47:38 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from eta.fastwebnet.it (unknown [213.140.2.50]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00B1818C30 for ; Thu, 8 May 2003 13:47:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tiscalinet.it (37.0.232.41) by eta.fastwebnet.it (6.7.016) id 3EAF5CD20016E55F; Thu, 8 May 2003 19:47:33 +0200 Message-ID: <3EBA983F.8060802@tiscalinet.it> Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 19:47:43 +0200 From: Mazzoni Perseo User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030430 Debian/1.3-5 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeff Waugh Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: another required feature... References: <3EBA92F8.7050704@tiscalinet.it> <20030508172906.GS2836@lazarus> In-Reply-To: <20030508172906.GS2836@lazarus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Jeff Waugh wrote: > > > > >>I think it's very useful a "invert selection" item in edit menu of >>nautilus... what do you think? :-P >> >> > >Worth a feature request in bugzilla, if it's not there already. Though I >have no idea why you're sticking your tongue out at us > 'cause I'm a clown -- Perseo Mazzoni www.ProgFree.3000.it www.cs.unibo.it/~pmazzoni ICQ #175133495 From jdub@perkypants.org Thu May 8 13:56:03 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.iinet.net.au (mail-06.iinet.net.au [203.59.3.38]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 3263E184BA for ; Thu, 8 May 2003 13:56:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 3401 invoked from network); 8 May 2003 17:51:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO home.perkypants.org) (203.217.69.112) by mail.iinet.net.au with SMTP; 8 May 2003 17:51:15 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by home.perkypants.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 301B78C106; Fri, 9 May 2003 03:51:15 +1000 (EST) Received: from home.perkypants.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (katia [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03558-03; Fri, 9 May 2003 03:51:14 +1000 (EST) Received: from lazarus.home (lazarus.home [192.168.10.10]) by home.perkypants.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44F3B8C102; Fri, 9 May 2003 03:51:11 +1000 (EST) Received: by lazarus.home (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8D52212B6A8; Fri, 9 May 2003 03:51:08 +1000 (EST) Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 03:51:08 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: Mazzoni Perseo Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: another required feature... Message-ID: <20030508175108.GU2836@lazarus> Mail-Followup-To: Mazzoni Perseo , nautilus-list@gnome.org References: <3EBA92F8.7050704@tiscalinet.it> <20030508172906.GS2836@lazarus> <3EBA983F.8060802@tiscalinet.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3EBA983F.8060802@tiscalinet.it> Reply-By: Mon May 12 03:50:52 EST 2003 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.4.21-rc1 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 03:50:52 up 5 days, 10:12, 5 users, load average: 2.82, 2.94, 2.30 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030314-p1 (Debian) Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > >Worth a feature request in bugzilla, if it's not there already. Though I > >have no idea why you're sticking your tongue out at us > > > 'cause I'm a clown That's as good a reason as any! ;-) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2004: Adelaide, Australia http://lca2004.linux.org.au/ "The Vines are the latest pretenders to the thrown." - Vines review by liv4now.com From b.greiner@t-online.de Fri May 9 18:02:55 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mailout06.sul.t-online.com (mailout06.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.19]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A66A18E09 for ; Fri, 9 May 2003 18:02:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fwd11.sul.t-online.de by mailout06.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 19EFx8-0005Aq-04; Sat, 10 May 2003 00:02:54 +0200 Received: from he-man.he-man.dnsalias.org (320084892880-0001@[217.5.28.217]) by fwd11.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 19EFwx-1k21HkC; Sat, 10 May 2003 00:02:43 +0200 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=he-man ident=tempfile) by he-man.he-man.dnsalias.org with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 19EFyD-0003mn-09 for ; Sat, 10 May 2003 00:04:01 +0200 Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 15:03:38 +0100 From: b.greiner@t-online.de (Benjamin Greiner) To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: strange nautilus rename bug(?) Message-ID: <20021222140338.GA949@he-man.he-man.dnsalias.org> References: <200212211813.AQN66645@md1.ksolutions.it> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <200212211813.AQN66645@md1.ksolutions.it> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Sender: 320084892880-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sat, Dec 21, 2002 at 07:15:08PM +0100, paolo borelli wrote: > Hi, > I have encoutered a strange nautilus behaviour, and before filing a bug in bugzilla I decided to post here because I'm not sure if it's a bug or if it's my fault: > > when I try to rename a file and I hit the "Del" key to delete the old name before typing the new one the file gets moved to the trash. This happens only in the icon view. > The strange thing is that if I start nautilus from a terminal the thing doesn't happen! Paolo, this also happens in list view, just notice how the file *below* the erroneously deleted one receives the unedited name of the deleted one, making it appear as if the file edited wasn't deleted. I already filed a bug about it - it's 101203. Please add your observations there, as I don't use CVS. Benjamin -- > Wobei ich das Bindestrich Verschwinden auch für ein Un Ding halte. Die Binde Striche werden alle für die unnötigen Apostro'phe benötigt. (Alexander Nald in dafk) From b.greiner@t-online.de Fri May 9 18:03:34 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mailout11.sul.t-online.com (mailout11.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.85]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C564718E07 for ; Fri, 9 May 2003 18:03:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fwd02.sul.t-online.de by mailout11.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 19EFxm-0005hQ-02; Sat, 10 May 2003 00:03:34 +0200 Received: from he-man.he-man.dnsalias.org (320084892880-0001@[217.5.28.217]) by fwd02.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 19EFxf-2ItNhIC; Sat, 10 May 2003 00:03:27 +0200 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=he-man ident=tempfile) by he-man.he-man.dnsalias.org with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 19EFyC-0003mn-06 for ; Sat, 10 May 2003 00:04:00 +0200 Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 18:20:24 +0100 From: b.greiner@t-online.de (Benjamin Greiner) To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Proposal for bug 73937 / symlinks in nautilus Message-ID: <20030112172024.GA1555@he-man.he-man.dnsalias.org> References: <1042342202.2050.164.camel@localhost> <1042357443.1734.29.camel@gideon.rkunet.org> <1042377596.1107.5.camel@discomachinegun.prettypeople.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1042377596.1107.5.camel@discomachinegun.prettypeople.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-Sender: 320084892880-0001@t-dialin.net Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sun, Jan 12, 2003 at 01:19:56PM +0000, iain wrote: > søn, 2003-01-12 kl. 07:44 skrev Rolf Kulemann: > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Perhaps it would make sense to make an option in nautilus's preferences > > so users can choose the behavior. > > The useability team can propose what default option would make sense. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > That really sounds like the "Please unbreak me" option. > > My opinion is that we should do whatever "cd .." does, because that in > reality is what clicking the button really should be meaning. > > On bash I think it does it the way it works now. > /misc -> /mnt/misc > cd /misc > cd .. > pwd gives / Add to the problem this bug: that Nautilus behaves differently depending on whether you enter a directory symlink in the location bar or navigate to it through its parent's view. When you enter it, the symlink's name stays and Up takes you to the directory where the symlink is located, as a Unix user expects it. When navigating there, it resolves the symlink and Up brings you to the target's parent. I hesitate to file a bug because I don't know if this has been resolved as well with bug 73937. Benjamin From greg@virtualcellardoor.com Sun May 11 19:02:41 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp0.adl1.internode.on.net (smtp0.adl1.internode.on.net [203.16.214.194]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3949818748 for ; Sun, 11 May 2003 19:02:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from internode.on.net (janus.adelaide.on.net [192.231.203.33]) by smtp0.adl1.internode.on.net (8.12.4/8.12.4) with SMTP id h4BN2csu017685 for ; Mon, 12 May 2003 08:32:39 +0930 (CST) From: "Greg" Reply-To: greg@virtualcellardoor.com To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 08:32:39 +0930 Subject: Additional items in tree view X-Mailer: DMailWeb Web to Mail Gateway 2.8a, http://netwinsite.com/top_mail.htm Message-id: <3ebed68f.d7c4.0@internode.on.net> X-User-Info: 150.101.246.44 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: sorry if this has been posted I did look through some archives but could not find it. Is there any way to add items(smb: network: burn: etc) to the root of the tree view? Much the same as M$ do in their explorer From alexl@redhat.com Mon May 12 03:46:06 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40E5018673 for ; Mon, 12 May 2003 03:46:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h4C7k0529148; Mon, 12 May 2003 03:46:00 -0400 Subject: Re: Additional items in tree view From: Alexander Larsson To: greg@virtualcellardoor.com Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <3ebed68f.d7c4.0@internode.on.net> References: <3ebed68f.d7c4.0@internode.on.net> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1052725558.4340.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 12 May 2003 09:45:59 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Mon, 2003-05-12 at 01:02, Greg wrote: > sorry if this has been posted I did look through some archives but could not > find it. > > Is there any way to add items(smb: network: burn: etc) to the root of the tree > view? Much the same as M$ do in their explorer Not at the moment. But someone was working on this. I'm currently a bit busy, but soon I'll take a look at his work. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a superhumanly strong pirate dog-catcher from the Mississippi delta. She's a warm-hearted hip-hop schoolgirl with only herself to blame. They fight crime! From alexl@redhat.com Mon May 12 03:47:59 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 152701868F for ; Mon, 12 May 2003 03:47:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h4C7ls529577; Mon, 12 May 2003 03:47:54 -0400 Subject: Re: [PATCH] libnautilus.so link problem From: Alexander Larsson To: Pasupathi Duraisamy Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1052725672.4340.54.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 12 May 2003 09:47:53 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 2003-05-08 at 12:28, Pasupathi Duraisamy wrote: > Hi, > libnautilus.so doesn't link to any of the dependent gnome libraries. > Herewith I am attaching a patch which fixes the above problem. Looks good to commit (with a ChangeLog entry). =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a globe-trotting devious dwarf on his last day in the job. She's a manipulative communist wrestler from a different time and place. They fight crime! From rosselli@ling.unipi.it Mon May 12 06:19:41 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from arno.humnet.unipi.it (arno.humnet.unipi.it [131.114.40.49]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C40318710 for ; Mon, 12 May 2003 06:19:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [81.211.190.243] (helo=ling.unipi.it) by arno.humnet.unipi.it with asmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19FAOY-0001Gl-OH for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Mon, 12 May 2003 12:18:59 +0200 Message-ID: <3EBF7550.8090607@ling.unipi.it> Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 12:20:00 +0200 From: Roberto Rosselli Del Turco User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4a) Gecko/20030313 X-Accept-Language: it, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nautilus Subject: Re: another required feature... References: <3EBA92F8.7050704@tiscalinet.it> <1052415959.5316.41.camel@simcity> In-Reply-To: <1052415959.5316.41.camel@simcity> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Calum Benson wrote: > On Thu, 2003-05-08 at 18:25, Mazzoni Perseo wrote: > >>I think it's very useful a "invert selection" item in edit menu of >>nautilus... what do you think? :-P > > > I'd be happy enough to see it. But any time I've suggested it before > (in Nautilus or anywhere else), somebody argues that it's just as easy > to Select All then deselect the items you don't want, as it is to select > the items you don't want, then Invert :) So it never gets in... There is at least one specific case in which "Invert selection" would be very convenient: when you have to copy half of file in dirA to dirB and the other half to dirC. Don't know if this is enough to justify it. Ciao -- Roberto Rosselli Del Turco e-mail: rosselli at cisi.unito.it Dipartimento di Scienze rosselli at ling.unipi.it del Linguaggio Then spoke the thunder DA Universita' di Torino Datta: what have we given? (TSE) Hige sceal the heardra, heorte the cenre, mod sceal the mare, the ure maegen litlath. (Maldon 312-3) From calum.benson@sun.com Mon May 12 06:44:15 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (pheriche.sun.com [192.18.98.34]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55B511826A for ; Mon, 12 May 2003 06:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM ([129.156.220.69]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4CAiEWs007145 for ; Mon, 12 May 2003 04:44:14 -0600 (MDT) Received: from simcity (simcity [129.156.238.57]) by dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM (8.11.7+Sun/8.10.2/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id h4CAiDh29085 for ; Mon, 12 May 2003 11:44:13 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: another required feature... From: Calum Benson To: Nautilus In-Reply-To: <3EBF7550.8090607@ling.unipi.it> References: <3EBA92F8.7050704@tiscalinet.it> <1052415959.5316.41.camel@simcity> <3EBF7550.8090607@ling.unipi.it> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Sun Microsystems Ireland Ltd Message-Id: <1052736249.5316.100.camel@simcity> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.4.99 Date: 12 May 2003 11:44:13 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Mon, 2003-05-12 at 11:20, Roberto Rosselli Del Turco wrote: > There is at least one specific case in which "Invert selection" would be > very convenient: when you have to copy half of file in dirA to dirB and > the other half to dirC. Don't know if this is enough to justify it. Very true, I hadn't thought of that one... it would be pretty indispensable if you had to do that sort of thing very often, I would think. Cheeri, Calum. -- CALUM BENSON, Usability Engineer Sun Microsystems Ireland mailto:calum.benson@sun.com GNOME Desktop Group http://ie.sun.com +353 1 819 9771 Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Sun Microsystems From rees@netnam.vn Mon May 12 09:59:31 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp.netnam.vn (smtp.netnam.vn [203.162.7.93]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B85E18424 for ; Mon, 12 May 2003 09:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netnam.vn (ci75_151.netnam.vn [203.162.75.151] (may be forged)) by smtp.netnam.vn (8.11.7+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4D41LY01352 for ; Mon, 12 May 2003 21:01:21 -0700 (GMT) Message-ID: <3EBFA930.5020803@netnam.vn> Date: Mon, 12 May 2003 21:01:20 +0700 From: Darryl Rees User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Additional items in tree view References: <3ebed68f.d7c4.0@internode.on.net> <1052725558.4340.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <1052725558.4340.52.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I know everybody loves the idea of a multi-rooted tree... ...but wouldn't it be more usable (and easier to implement) to have a way of _selecting_ between different roots, rather than using a multi-rooted tree? For one thing, the list of folders in the tree sidepane is already so large as to necessitate a lot of scrolling, having a true multi-rooted tree is going to make that much worse. Seems like having the 'roots' listed at the top with an icon (or something like that), would be much quicker to navigate. Also, some people have talked about having virtual roots based from, say, the user's home directory. In a multi-rooted tree it seems like that might be confusing, compared to only viewing one single-rooted tree at once (Click the 'Entire disk' icon, see the entire disk. Click the 'Fred's folders' icon, see only your home directory - assuming your name is Fred. Click the 'Local network' icon, see all machines on the lan, etc). Darryl. Alexander Larsson wrote: >On Mon, 2003-05-12 at 01:02, Greg wrote: > > >>sorry if this has been posted I did look through some archives but could not >>find it. >> >>Is there any way to add items(smb: network: burn: etc) to the root of the tree >>view? Much the same as M$ do in their explorer >> >> > >Not at the moment. But someone was working on this. I'm currently a bit >busy, but soon I'll take a look at his work. > >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc > alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se >He's a superhumanly strong pirate dog-catcher from the Mississippi delta. >She's a warm-hearted hip-hop schoolgirl with only herself to blame. They fight >crime! > > > From alexl@redhat.com Thu May 15 14:24:39 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4F8A184EF; Thu, 15 May 2003 14:24:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h4FIOY531812; Thu, 15 May 2003 14:24:37 -0400 Subject: Major change in desktop handling From: Alexander Larsson To: Nautilus , "desktop-devel-list@gnome.org" , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 15 May 2003 20:24:33 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I just checked in a large change to the Nautilus desktop handling that I've been working on for a while. Its not totally finished yet, but it seems to work well enough to check in. NOTE NOTE NOTE: As part of this change the directory for the desktop was changed from ~/.gnome-desktop to ~/Desktop. I just wanted to say this first so nobody misses it. The way the desktop used to work was by creating, removing and updating desktop files. On startup all mountpoint desktop files were removed and the home and trash desktop files were updated or created. When stuff was mounted nautilus would create a new desktop file, and when it was unmounted it would be removed. And whenever the trash changed to full/empty the desktop file was rewritten with the new icon name. This has some problems: * All the code handling desktop files was doing synchronous I/O, potentially slowing things down. * If you ran several instances of nautilus with the same homedir you would get multiple copies of the mountpoint icons * On startup nautilus could remove desktop links that the user had created himself, believing it was an old mountpoint icon. * There was no way to get rid of the links, they were always recreated on startup. * If you used homedir-as-desktop the ugly desktop files got put in your homedir. * The code was doing really ugly nasty things. The new system works very differently. The desktop icons (trash, home and volume icons) are all in-memory objects. They are implemented like "virtual files" and put in the desktop view by some deep magic. This gets rid of all the problems of the old system, and allows a lot of nice things. Plus it should be faster. Since the old system stored files on the desktop that will be confusing in the new system we could get a compatibility problem. This problem is especially complicated since you can run both new and old gnome with the same homedir, so we would have to be both backwards and forwards compatible. Fortunately we have long planned to move to ~/Desktop as the desktop directory, so by doing this change at the same time we avoid a lot of problems. There are a couple of things left to do and a few open questions: * We need to do some sort of migration of the old desktop directory. I was thinking of looking for ~/.gnome-desktop/.migrated_dir, and if its not there put up a dialog explaining the migration, and add a link to the old desktop so that people can move whatever they want over. Any other ideas? * With the new system its easy to remove desktop icons. I've even wired up delete on home and trash to disable them in gconf. However, this means we have to add a GUI way to get them back. So, do we want to add preferences for this, or disable it and force people that don't want the icons to use gconf-tool? * Currently we don't have a start-here link on the new desktop. Should we add one? I'm not totally sold on the start-here icon, but its sort of useful (although badly named), and with the new system its much easier to enable/disable it if you don't want it. * KDE also uses ~/Desktop, and they put some special files in there. We need to examine how these interact with Nautilus and how we can avoid confusing the user with these files. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a scarfaced gay card sharp who hangs with the wrong crowd. She's a transdimensional communist doctor trying to make a difference in a man's world. They fight crime! From george@gmsys.com Thu May 15 14:38:03 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from ve7frg.gmsys.com (h24-66-186-212.du.shawcable.net [24.66.186.212]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D2E81826C for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 14:38:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ve7frg.gmsys.com (ve7frg.gmsys.com [127.0.0.1]) by ve7frg.gmsys.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h4FIc06F009715 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 11:38:01 -0700 Received: (from george@localhost) by ve7frg.gmsys.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h4FIc0dg009713 for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Thu, 15 May 2003 11:38:00 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ve7frg.gmsys.com: george set sender to george@gmsys.com using -f Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: George Farris To: Nautilus In-Reply-To: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Message-Id: <1053023879.1807.5.camel@ve7frg.gmsys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-4) Date: 15 May 2003 11:37:59 -0700 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 11:24, Alexander Larsson wrote: > * KDE also uses ~/Desktop, and they put some special files in there. We > need to examine how these interact with Nautilus and how we can avoid > confusing the user with these files. KDE also has a way to move ~/Desktop to ~/ which came in really handy for a colleague of mine who had his Win98 desktop stuff showing up in ~/Desktop. Yes I know that Samba can be configured around this but it's more difficult to change once people are up and running. Could there be a Gconf setting for this? If someone moves their KDE Desktop we might want to be able to track it. Is there any spec on freedesktop.org about this? -- George Farris From sisob@eircom.net Thu May 15 14:55:06 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mail1.mail.iol.ie (mail1.mail.iol.ie [194.125.2.192]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AD5B1818C; Thu, 15 May 2003 14:55:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [194.165.166.48] (helo=m-airlock048.esatclear.ie) by mail1.mail.iol.ie with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19GMwW-0006G9-00; Thu, 15 May 2003 18:55:00 +0100 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: MArk Finlay To: Alexander Larsson Cc: Nautilus , "desktop-devel-list@gnome.org" , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" In-Reply-To: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1053024906.2548.34.camel@dogbert> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 15 May 2003 19:55:07 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 19:24, Alexander Larsson wrote: > I just checked in a large change to the Nautilus desktop handling that > I've been working on for a while. Its not totally finished yet, but it > seems to work well enough to check in. Excellent! > * Currently we don't have a start-here link on the new desktop. Should > we add one? I'm not totally sold on the start-here icon, but its sort of > useful (although badly named), and with the new system its much easier > to enable/disable it if you don't want it. Please-god no. See http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=83428 Start-here needs to be removed, and applications:// integrated better with gnome-panel. > > * KDE also uses ~/Desktop, and they put some special files in there. We > need to examine how these interact with Nautilus and how we can avoid > confusing the user with these files. Yeah, kde launchers and device files look nasty in nautilus... -- .--= [ MArk Finlay - sisob ] =--. [ Gnome User's Board : www.gnomesupport.org/forums ] [ Public Key: http://evolvedoo.sf.net/sisobatericomdotnet.asc ] From dave@ximian.com Thu May 15 15:02:15 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [141.154.95.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27E9E1818C for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 15:02:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 29116 invoked from network); 15 May 2003 19:02:14 -0000 Received: from dmz.ximian.com (HELO squee.boston.ximian.com) (141.154.95.1) by peabody.ximian.com with RC4-MD5 encrypted SMTP; 15 May 2003 19:02:14 -0000 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Dave Camp To: atai@atai.org Cc: Alexander Larsson , Nautilus , "desktop-devel-list@gnome.org" , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" In-Reply-To: <20030515183917.25726.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030515183917.25726.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Ximian, Inc. Message-Id: <1053025308.7835.9.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (Preview Release) Date: 15 May 2003 15:01:48 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: That's the point of this patch. Desktop is owned by the user, and displayed by nautilus. It is where users put their documents, downloads, etc. It needs to be user-visible. The patch puts the volume/home/trash links in memory to avoid touching a user-owned directory. -dave On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 14:39, Andy Tai wrote: > This seems to be a large step backwards. The folder > "Desktop" should belong to the user, not a program, or > a desktop environment. If KDE uses it, that should be > wrong to. > > ".desktop" seems to be more correct. > > > --- Alexander Larsson wrote: > > > As part of this change the directory for the desktop > > was changed from > > ~/.gnome-desktop to ~/Desktop > _______________________________________________ > gnome-hackers mailing list > gnome-hackers@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-hackers > From kb@bluehash.de Thu May 15 15:41:20 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from LX5053.heag.de (mail53.heag.de [193.25.234.53]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 582A3180E0 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 15:41:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LX5053.heag.de (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1989A1805090 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 21:41:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from main.davision.com (IP-213157026184.dialin.heagmedianet.de [213.157.26.184]) by mail.heag.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76CF71805085 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 21:41:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from main.davision.com (main.davision.com [192.168.0.1]) by main.davision.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3FFE1F1 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 21:41:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from main.davision.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (AvMailGate-2.0.1.9) id 06781-3DDE4CAB; Thu, 15 May 2003 21:41:17 +0200 Received: from [192.168.0.23] (IP-213157009165.dialin.heagmedianet.de [213.157.9.165]) by main.davision.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99F281F1 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 21:41:16 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: kb To: Nautilus In-Reply-To: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1053027672.15642.17.camel@monkey> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (Preview Release) Date: 15 May 2003 21:41:13 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiVirus: checked by AntiVir MailGate (version: 2.0.1.9; AVE: 6.19.0.3; VDF: 6.19.0.17; host: localhost) Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I don't write a lot to this list, but I read it very interested. > NOTE NOTE NOTE: > As part of this change the directory for the desktop was changed from > ~/.gnome-desktop to ~/Desktop. > I just wanted to say this first so nobody misses it. Please, NO. I can see my desktop, well... on my desktop. There is no need IMHO to clutter up my home with a visible directory. That should really be hidden in a .desktop directory. (Yep, I just read the reply to Andy Tai's post stating the same, but I have to raise my voice here.) karsten -- Hi, I'm a signature virus. Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread! From dave@ximian.com Thu May 15 15:47:23 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [141.154.95.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 792FE180E0 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 15:47:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 31263 invoked from network); 15 May 2003 19:47:23 -0000 Received: from dmz.ximian.com (HELO squee.boston.ximian.com) (141.154.95.1) by peabody.ximian.com with RC4-MD5 encrypted SMTP; 15 May 2003 19:47:23 -0000 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Dave Camp To: kb Cc: Nautilus In-Reply-To: <1053027672.15642.17.camel@monkey> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1053027672.15642.17.camel@monkey> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Ximian, Inc. Message-Id: <1053028016.7841.13.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (Preview Release) Date: 15 May 2003 15:46:56 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 15:41, kb wrote: > I can see my desktop, well... on my desktop. There is no need IMHO to > clutter up my home with a visible directory. That should really be > hidden in a .desktop directory. Users of the desktop often want to get to the desktop from outside nautilus, for example in file selectors or shells. The desktop is a place for a user to store files. The user shouldn't have to know what the name of a hidden directory is to get to their documents. -dave From josh@vitriolix.com Thu May 15 15:52:00 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net [151.164.30.28]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7231E181E0 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 15:52:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vitriolix.com (adsl-66-120-160-249.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net [66.120.160.249]) by mta4.rcsntx.swbell.net (8.12.9/8.12.3) with ESMTP id h4FJptWf006906; Thu, 15 May 2003 14:51:56 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3EC3EFE4.3050100@vitriolix.com> Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 12:52:04 -0700 From: Josh Steiner User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Camp Cc: kb , Nautilus Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1053027672.15642.17.camel@monkey> <1053028016.7841.13.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> In-Reply-To: <1053028016.7841.13.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: i agree 100% absolutely totally. hiding such a common directory as the desktop does not make me happy... i applaud the change. Dave Camp wrote: >On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 15:41, kb wrote: > > >>I can see my desktop, well... on my desktop. There is no need IMHO to >>clutter up my home with a visible directory. That should really be >>hidden in a .desktop directory. >> >> > >Users of the desktop often want to get to the desktop from outside >nautilus, for example in file selectors or shells. > >The desktop is a place for a user to store files. The user shouldn't >have to know what the name of a hidden directory is to get to their >documents. > >-dave > > > -- ____________________________________________________ independent u.s. drum'n'bass -- http://vitriolix.com From shaunm@wolfram.com Thu May 15 16:24:33 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from wolfram.com (wri-dns0.wolfram.com [140.177.205.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B8DC180F0; Thu, 15 May 2003 16:24:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shaunmlx.wolfram.com (shaunmlx.wolfram.com [140.177.4.220]) by wolfram.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h4FKOTi10117; Thu, 15 May 2003 15:24:29 -0500 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Shaun McCance To: Alexander Larsson Cc: Nautilus , "desktop-devel-list@gnome.org" , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" In-Reply-To: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc. Message-Id: <1053026641.11547.4.camel@shaunmlx.wolfram.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 Date: 15 May 2003 14:24:01 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 13:24, Alexander Larsson wrote: > * KDE also uses ~/Desktop, and they put some special files in there. We > need to examine how these interact with Nautilus and how we can avoid > confusing the user with these files. Mac OS X also uses ~/Desktop, which could be an issue for anybody in an environment where /home is an NFS mount. I know there's not a whole lot we can do to inter-operate, as Apple probably isn't interested. But it would be nice to do something intelligent with any weird Apple stuff in ~/Desktop, even if it's just intelligently ignoring it. -- Shaun From hp@redhat.com Thu May 15 16:31:06 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC951182EC; Thu, 15 May 2003 16:31:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from hp@localhost) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) id h4FKV5L12172; Thu, 15 May 2003 16:31:05 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 16:31:04 -0400 From: Havoc Pennington To: Alexander Larsson Cc: Nautilus , "desktop-devel-list@gnome.org" , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling Message-ID: <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, So Alex - yesterday you complain about list traffic, today you triple-crosspost a thread about ~/Desktop vs. ~/.gnome-desktop vs. "desktop is your homedir" ;-) vote for ~/Desktop ! Havoc From pah06@uow.edu.au Thu May 15 16:33:46 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from beru.its.uow.edu.au (beru.its.uow.edu.au [130.130.68.31]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8249B182EC for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 16:33:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beru.its.uow.edu.au (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4FKXhkq028650 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 06:33:43 +1000 (EST) Received: from inti.its.uow.edu.au ([130.130.37.4]) by beru.its.uow.edu.au (MailMonitor for SMTP v1.2.2 ) ; Fri, 16 May 2003 06:33:42 +1000 (EST) Received: (from sendmail@localhost) by inti.its.uow.edu.au (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h4FKXgHI014174 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 06:33:42 +1000 (EST) Received: from samwise.dsl.uow.edu.au (samwise.dsl.uow.edu.au[130.130.66.26]) by inti.its.uow.edu.au (UWSMTPD 1.1) with ESMTP id 4454819.14168; Friday, 16 May 2003 06:33:39 +1000 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Peter Harvey To: Nautilus List In-Reply-To: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: SITACS, University of Wollongong Message-Id: <1053030817.847.92.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.3 Date: 16 May 2003 06:33:37 +1000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I agree that Desktop is better than .gnome-desktop. However, I'm using my home directory as my desktop right now and plan to in the future. I do this because it means I have consistency between files I access from my desktop and files I access from an xterm. (it also means that I keep my home directory a *lot* cleaner than I would otherwise). How will this patch affect those of us who use their home directory as their desktop? Personally I find KDE annoys me because it decides to throw a visible Desktop folder in my home directory. Will this be the same with Gnome? Will the option remain to not have a Desktop folder? Will applications (file requestors, file browsers, etc.) assume that Desktop is different from Home? -- Peter Harvey SITACS, University of Wollongong From sisob@eircom.net Thu May 15 16:48:51 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mail1.mail.iol.ie (mail1.mail.iol.ie [194.125.2.192]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2C6D180FE; Thu, 15 May 2003 16:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [194.165.166.48] (helo=m-airlock048.esatclear.ie) by mail1.mail.iol.ie with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19GOia-0007iL-00; Thu, 15 May 2003 20:48:44 +0100 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: MArk Finlay To: Havoc Pennington Cc: Alexander Larsson , Nautilus , "desktop-devel-list@gnome.org" , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" In-Reply-To: <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1053031731.19242.0.camel@dogbert> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 15 May 2003 21:48:52 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 21:31, Havoc Pennington wrote: > Hi, > > So Alex - yesterday you complain about list traffic, today you > triple-crosspost a thread about ~/Desktop vs. ~/.gnome-desktop > vs. "desktop is your homedir" ;-) > > vote for ~/Desktop ! Co[$HOME as desktop]ugh -- .--= [ MArk Finlay - sisob ] =--. [ Gnome User's Board : www.gnomesupport.org/forums ] [ Public Key: http://evolvedoo.sf.net/sisobatericomdotnet.asc ] From aes@gnome.org Thu May 15 18:50:31 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from parmenides.zen.co.uk (parmenides.zen.co.uk [212.23.8.69]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D21CA182E8 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 18:50:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 5075 invoked from network); 15 May 2003 22:50:29 -0000 Received: from protagoras.zen.co.uk (212.23.8.61) by parmenides.zen.co.uk with QMQP; 15 May 2003 22:50:29 -0000 Received: from dsl-212-23-23-154.zen.co.uk (HELO sobala.zen.co.uk) (212.23.23.154) by protagoras.zen.co.uk with SMTP; 15 May 2003 22:50:29 -0000 X-Zen-Trace: 212.23.23.154 Received: from [192.168.0.6] (tornado [192.168.0.6]) by sobala.zen.co.uk (8.11.6/8.9.3) with ESMTP id h4FMoRv03436; Thu, 15 May 2003 23:50:27 +0100 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Andrew Sobala To: Shaun McCance Cc: Alexander Larsson , Nautilus , "desktop-devel-list@gnome.org" , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" In-Reply-To: <1053026641.11547.4.camel@shaunmlx.wolfram.com> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1053026641.11547.4.camel@shaunmlx.wolfram.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1053039096.2412.2.camel@tornado> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (Preview Release) Date: 15 May 2003 23:51:36 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 20:24, Shaun McCance wrote: > On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 13:24, Alexander Larsson wrote: > > * KDE also uses ~/Desktop, and they put some special files in there. We > > need to examine how these interact with Nautilus and how we can avoid > > confusing the user with these files. > > Mac OS X also uses ~/Desktop, which could be an issue for anybody in an > environment where /home is an NFS mount. I know there's not a whole lot > we can do to inter-operate, as Apple probably isn't interested. But it > would be nice to do something intelligent with any weird Apple stuff in > ~/Desktop, even if it's just intelligently ignoring it. Interesting point. On my iMac, there's nothing weird in ~/Desktop apart from some dotfiles (which are hidden anyway). Does OS X write non-hidden weird stuff in there? -- Andrew Sobala "A freudian slip is when you say one thing but you mean your mother." -- unknown From jimmac@ximian.com Thu May 15 18:59:39 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [141.154.95.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0946E184F9 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 18:59:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 8117 invoked from network); 15 May 2003 22:59:37 -0000 Received: from peabody.ximian.com (HELO localhost) (141.154.95.10) by peabody.ximian.com with SMTP; 15 May 2003 22:59:37 -0000 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Jakub Steiner To: Havoc Pennington Cc: Alexander Larsson , Nautilus In-Reply-To: <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-uFEoiuDy+AOdKPMGb0Mb" Message-Id: <1053035423.24108.35.camel@aeneas.jimmac.cz> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 15 May 2003 23:50:23 +0200 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-uFEoiuDy+AOdKPMGb0Mb Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable V ?, 15. 05. 2003 v 22:31, Havoc Pennington napsal: > Hi, >=20 > So Alex - yesterday you complain about list traffic, today you > triple-crosspost a thread about ~/Desktop vs. ~/.gnome-desktop > vs. "desktop is your homedir" ;-) I've been using my ~/ as the desktop for a while. However I welcome this new change to have a nice place like ~/Desktop. It will definitely make me switch to the default behaviour again. Rock on! --=20 Jakub Steiner --=-uFEoiuDy+AOdKPMGb0Mb Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Toto je =?iso-8859-2?Q?digit=E1ln=EC?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_podepsan=E1?= =?iso-8859-2?Q?_=E8=E1st?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_zpr=E1vy?= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQA+xAufJZ7hOQ7/NDkRAg9fAJ4ip6ZB5ZXGes8rY0JZ4poraEVZpwCcCIrH +rQaz1qQ0gqs7C9Y1jwZvMg= =VPlR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-uFEoiuDy+AOdKPMGb0Mb-- From sisob@eircom.net Thu May 15 19:11:09 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mail2.mail.iol.ie (mail2.mail.iol.ie [194.125.2.193]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7652185A0; Thu, 15 May 2003 19:11:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [194.165.166.91] (helo=m-airlock091.esatclear.ie) by mail2.mail.iol.ie with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19GRsQ-0005As-00; Fri, 16 May 2003 00:11:07 +0100 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: MArk Finlay To: Havoc Pennington Cc: Alexander Larsson , Nautilus , "desktop-devel-list@gnome.org" , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" In-Reply-To: <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1053038958.2492.31.camel@dogbert> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 16 May 2003 00:11:09 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Firstly, sorry for my rather unhelpful last mail, not to address this seriously. > So Alex - yesterday you complain about list traffic, today you > triple-crosspost a thread about ~/Desktop vs. ~/.gnome-desktop > vs. "desktop is your homedir" ;-) > > vote for ~/Desktop ! If were going to have this argument then I think that now is as good a time as any. One thing we don't want to do is to migrate to ~/Desktop and then to ~/ There are a lot of arguments for $HOME as desktop on bugzilla(94612 i think) and there are a lot of people on these lists who are, like me, convinced of it's benefits. I really don't see how anyone can concider the current situation ideal: You have a desktop that is stored in ~/Desktop, on which you have a launcher to get to $HOME (in essence the equivelent of pressing up in nautilus). Now you are looking at $HOME in which there is a Desktop folder. You click on this and are now looking at your desktop, but in a nautilus window. You are in essence going around in circles. To me this is confusing and bad usability: visually the home folder is on the desktop, ie. it is contained by the desktop, it does not contain the desktop. One thing that gnome really lacks atm is a good heirarchy. We have the desktop, the home dir, start-here:, network:, / etc... and none of them are linked in any sane way. Having the desktop in ~/Desktop really doesnt help. The alternative : $HOME as desktop. People who don't like change (ie. "put those damn buttons back the way they should be" ;) ) tend to say "but my home folder is so full of stuff, i don't want that stuff all over my desktop". But that is trash, these people would be very easily migrated: All you do is create a ~/Files directory and move ~/* into it. Now you have the functional equivlent of a "Home Folder" on the desktop except when you go to your files you are moving down the heirarchy instead of around it in circles. You've also managed to remove the need for the user to learn how the desktop and home folder interact, and instead let them get on with their work. For those of us who aren't afraid to change we can embrace this and use the default folders provided by gnome(in the future), and ones we create ourselves, to organise our files; I think it was Seth, and probably others, who talked about the benefits of software that encourages users to keep themselves organised. The home folder does the opposite of this. Everything gets thrown in there. Every file created, every file download, every e-mail attachment saved. It is perpetually a mess for 99.99% of linux users. But when all these files are coming on to your desktop you have to do something with them. This encourages users to organise consistenly. I can tell you - i really don't miss the days of the monthly sorting of the home folder. Now I have Music, Video, Documents, Projects, Patches, Photos, Images folders on my desktop and as things land on the desktop i sort them to the appropriate folder. So yeah, I really don't see how we can loose. Users who like to horde everything in one massive folder can do that if they like, but I don't think that many will choose to work that way once they've been introduced to $home as desktop. Why keep a users files one click away from them when they can be immediately on hand? Also, to me interpolability with kde isn't a huge issue as it takes about 10 seconds to configure kde to use ~/ as desktop. It's late, so I'm not going to waffle further - that can wait till tomorrow :) I will bid you adeu with the slogan for the Campaign for $HOME as desktop: "Unbreak the Desktop and Free your mind!" Hope some of this made sense.. Maybe someone more elequent will back me up. -- .--= [ MArk Finlay - sisob ] =--. [ Gnome User's Board : www.gnomesupport.org/forums ] [ Public Key: http://evolvedoo.sf.net/sisobatericomdotnet.asc ] From ben@xsusio.com Thu May 15 19:18:25 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from ms-smtp-01.texas.rr.com (ms-smtp-01.texas.rr.com [24.93.36.229]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1257C1892E; Thu, 15 May 2003 19:18:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xsusio.com (cs24162123-191.hot.rr.com [24.162.123.191]) by ms-smtp-01.texas.rr.com (8.12.5/8.12.2) with ESMTP id h4FNIN8b018851; Thu, 15 May 2003 18:18:24 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3EC4203F.5070809@xsusio.com> Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 18:18:23 -0500 From: Ben Davis User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030317 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nautilus Cc: "desktop-devel-list@gnome.org" , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > > >As part of this change the directory for the desktop was changed from >~/.gnome-desktop to ~/Desktop. >I just wanted to say this first so nobody misses it. > This is funny, because I already have a symlink from ~/Desktop to ~/.gnome-desktop.. I personally think it's a good idea, but I also think that users should have the option of changing where their "Desktop" is actually located, instead of having it hard-coded in -- because for reasons we may not know or understand, there are users out there that need it to be changable.. At the very least make the option available in gconf... From mjs@noisehavoc.org Thu May 15 19:18:46 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from chaos.noisehavoc.org (dsl093-167-154.sfo2.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.93.167.154]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BD821892E; Thu, 15 May 2003 19:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mjs by chaos.noisehavoc.org with local (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 19GRTi-0003AR-00; Thu, 15 May 2003 15:45:34 -0700 Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 15:45:34 -0700 From: Maciej Stachowiak To: Shaun McCance Cc: Alexander Larsson , Nautilus , "desktop-devel-list@gnome.org" , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling Message-ID: <20030515154534.A12155@noisehavoc.org> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1053026641.11547.4.camel@shaunmlx.wolfram.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <1053026641.11547.4.camel@shaunmlx.wolfram.com>; from shaunm@wolfram.com on Thu, May 15, 2003 at 02:24:01PM -0500 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On 15May2003 02:24PM (-0500), Shaun McCance wrote: > On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 13:24, Alexander Larsson wrote: > > * KDE also uses ~/Desktop, and they put some special files in there. We > > need to examine how these interact with Nautilus and how we can avoid > > confusing the user with these files. > > Mac OS X also uses ~/Desktop, which could be an issue for anybody in an > environment where /home is an NFS mount. I know there's not a whole lot > we can do to inter-operate, as Apple probably isn't interested. But it > would be nice to do something intelligent with any weird Apple stuff in > ~/Desktop, even if it's just intelligently ignoring it. Mac OS X does not put any weird stuff in Desktop (well, besides the weird stuff it might put in any directory for resource forks and Finder metadata, but those are all dotfiles). Mounted volumes are all virtual in-memory objects, the way Alex has made it work in Nautilus. - Maciej From sinzui@cox.net Thu May 15 19:23:59 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from lakemtao01.cox.net (lakemtao01.cox.net [68.1.17.244]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E714818D9C for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 19:23:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([68.106.102.11]) by lakemtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030515232359.QAYW8337.lakemtao01.cox.net@[192.168.1.101]> for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 19:23:59 -0400 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Curtis Hovey Reply-To: sinzui@cox.net To: Nautilus-list Content-Type: text/plain Organization: i Message-Id: <1053041037.643.17.camel@autumn.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (Preview Release) Date: 15 May 2003 19:23:57 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 16:33, Peter Harvey wrote: > my home directory as my desktop right now and plan to in the future. I > do this because it means I have consistency between files I access from > my desktop and files I access from an xterm. (it also means that I keep > my home directory a *lot* cleaner than I would otherwise). > > How will this patch affect those of us who use their home directory as > their desktop? Personally I find KDE annoys me because it decides to > throw a visible Desktop folder in my home directory. Will this be the > same with Gnome? Will the option remain to not have a Desktop folder? > Will applications (file requestors, file browsers, etc.) assume that > Desktop is different from Home? Things are a lot simpler when $HOME is the desktop--it's obvious and it encourages me to keep organized. I really hate asking this: Will desktop_is_home_dir still be available in gconf? -- __C U R T I S C. H O V E Y____________________ sinzui@cox.net Guilty of stealing everything I am. From george@gmsys.com Thu May 15 19:25:01 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from ve7frg.gmsys.com (h24-66-186-212.du.shawcable.net [24.66.186.212]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57FF318D9C for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 19:25:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ve7frg.gmsys.com (ve7frg.gmsys.com [127.0.0.1]) by ve7frg.gmsys.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h4FNOx6F015377 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 16:24:59 -0700 Received: (from george@localhost) by ve7frg.gmsys.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h4FNOwkw015375 for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Thu, 15 May 2003 16:24:58 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ve7frg.gmsys.com: george set sender to george@gmsys.com using -f Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: George Farris To: Nautilus In-Reply-To: <1053038958.2492.31.camel@dogbert> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1053038958.2492.31.camel@dogbert> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Message-Id: <1053041098.14404.18.camel@ve7frg.gmsys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-4) Date: 15 May 2003 16:24:58 -0700 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 16:11, MArk Finlay wrote: > So yeah, I really don't see how we can loose. Users who like to horde > everything in one massive folder can do that if they like, but I don't > think that many will choose to work that way once they've been > introduced to $home as desktop. Why keep a users files one click away > from them when they can be immediately on hand? > > Also, to me interpolability with kde isn't a huge issue as it takes > about 10 seconds to configure kde to use ~/ as desktop. > > It's late, so I'm not going to waffle further - that can wait till > tomorrow :) I will bid you adeu with the slogan for the Campaign for > $HOME as desktop: "Unbreak the Desktop and Free your mind!" > > Well I like the idea of ~/Desktop instead of ~/.gnome-desktop. I do however use $HOME as my desktop and would be real pissed to see that go away. Other users I've introduced $HOME as desktop however don't always like it and so ~/Desktop works well for them. Everyone has complained about .gnome-desktop until I told them how to make a link to ~/Desktop and then they were happy. Note this is mostly because .gnome-desktop "appears" inaccessible from Nautilus unless dot files are turned on. > > -- > George Farris From aliakc@web.de Thu May 15 19:41:33 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp03.web.de [217.72.192.158]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 567E118595 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 19:41:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [217.82.108.237] (helo=pD9526CED.dip.t-dialin.net) by smtp.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE 4.98 #232) id 19GSLs-0001wY-00 for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Fri, 16 May 2003 01:41:32 +0200 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Ali Akcaagac To: Nautilus In-Reply-To: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1053042076.25265.7.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 16 May 2003 01:41:16 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 20:24, Alexander Larsson wrote: > I just checked in a large change to the Nautilus desktop handling that > I've been working on for a while. Its not totally finished yet, but it > seems to work well enough to check in. > > NOTE NOTE NOTE: > As part of this change the directory for the desktop was changed from > ~/.gnome-desktop to ~/Desktop. > I just wanted to say this first so nobody misses it. Wow, these are a lot of great informations and changes. I was waiting for long this to happen. Thanks for the great work. The past weeks changes and this one seriously goes into the right direction. Thanks. From shaunm@wolfram.com Thu May 15 21:04:30 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mailhost.bcv1.ameritech.net (mailhost1-bcvloh.bcvloh.ameritech.net [66.73.20.42]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BAF4181A7; Thu, 15 May 2003 21:04:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornholio.housenet.net ([68.22.249.122]) by mailhost.bcv1.ameritech.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.17 201-229-119) with ESMTP id <20030516010429.OBIJ10287.mailhost.bcv1.ameritech.net@cornholio.housenet.net>; Thu, 15 May 2003 21:04:29 -0400 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Shaun McCance To: Maciej Stachowiak Cc: Alexander Larsson , Nautilus , "desktop-devel-list@gnome.org" , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" In-Reply-To: <20030515154534.A12155@noisehavoc.org> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1053026641.11547.4.camel@shaunmlx.wolfram.com> <20030515154534.A12155@noisehavoc.org> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc. Message-Id: <1053047104.3001.7.camel@cornholio> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 15 May 2003 20:05:04 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 17:45, Maciej Stachowiak wrote: > On 15May2003 02:24PM (-0500), Shaun McCance wrote: > > On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 13:24, Alexander Larsson wrote: > > > * KDE also uses ~/Desktop, and they put some special files in there. We > > > need to examine how these interact with Nautilus and how we can avoid > > > confusing the user with these files. > > > > Mac OS X also uses ~/Desktop, which could be an issue for anybody in an > > environment where /home is an NFS mount. I know there's not a whole lot > > we can do to inter-operate, as Apple probably isn't interested. But it > > would be nice to do something intelligent with any weird Apple stuff in > > ~/Desktop, even if it's just intelligently ignoring it. > > Mac OS X does not put any weird stuff in Desktop (well, besides the > weird stuff it might put in any directory for resource forks and > Finder metadata, but those are all dotfiles). > > Mounted volumes are all virtual in-memory objects, the way Alex has > made it work in Nautilus. Fair enough. Note that my comment was more along the lines of "There might be a problem here" rather than "There is a problem here". I just jumped over to a friend's Mac to look, and it seems you're quite right about what OS X puts on the desktop by default. However, plenty of people seem to put aliases on their desktop, and I don't have the slightest idea how those will behave in Nautilus. Frankly, I don't understand how aliases even work, which relegates this entire email to the status of uninformed rambling. -- Shaun From hp@redhat.com Thu May 15 22:05:46 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99DAC184C3; Thu, 15 May 2003 22:05:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from hp@localhost) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) id h4G25hp09495; Thu, 15 May 2003 22:05:43 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 22:05:43 -0400 From: Havoc Pennington To: MArk Finlay Cc: Alexander Larsson , Nautilus , "desktop-devel-list@gnome.org" , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling Message-ID: <20030515220543.A8728@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1053038958.2492.31.camel@dogbert> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <1053038958.2492.31.camel@dogbert> Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, May 16, 2003 at 12:11:09AM +0100, MArk Finlay wrote: > Firstly, sorry for my rather unhelpful last mail, > not to address this seriously. > > > So Alex - yesterday you complain about list traffic, today you > > triple-crosspost a thread about ~/Desktop vs. ~/.gnome-desktop > > vs. "desktop is your homedir" ;-) > > > > vote for ~/Desktop ! > > If were going to have this argument then I think that now is as > good a time as any. One thing we don't want to do is to migrate to > ~/Desktop and then to ~/ My point was kind of that we already had the argument a few times. ;-) Havoc From gkarabin@pobox.com Thu May 15 22:18:17 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from orngca-mls02.socal.rr.com (orngca-mls02.socal.rr.com [66.75.160.17]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A465718158 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 22:18:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pobox.com (66-74-203-205.san.rr.com [66.74.203.205]) by orngca-mls02.socal.rr.com (8.11.4/8.11.3) with ESMTP id h4G2F6L19841 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 19:15:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3EC44A62.8080302@pobox.com> Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 19:18:10 -0700 From: George J Karabin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4b) Gecko/20030507 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nautilus Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1053027672.15642.17.camel@monkey> <1053028016.7841.13.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> In-Reply-To: <1053028016.7841.13.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Is it reasonable to store the path of the desktop directory in gconf? Default to "Desktop", and those who don't like the visible directory can override it. Well behaved applications that need to know the name can look up the key. - George Dave Camp wrote: >On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 15:41, kb wrote: > > >>I can see my desktop, well... on my desktop. There is no need IMHO to >>clutter up my home with a visible directory. That should really be >>hidden in a .desktop directory. >> >> > >Users of the desktop often want to get to the desktop from outside >nautilus, for example in file selectors or shells. > >The desktop is a place for a user to store files. The user shouldn't >have to know what the name of a hidden directory is to get to their >documents. > >-dave > > > From rees@netnam.vn Thu May 15 23:09:55 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp.netnam.vn (smtp.netnam.vn [203.162.7.93]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7342B18AA4; Thu, 15 May 2003 23:09:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netnam.vn (ci75_245.netnam.vn [203.162.75.245] (may be forged)) by smtp.netnam.vn (8.11.7+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4GHBPY09595; Fri, 16 May 2003 10:11:29 -0700 (GMT) Message-ID: <3EC4572F.5080305@netnam.vn> Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 10:12:47 +0700 From: Darryl Rees User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Havoc Pennington Cc: Alexander Larsson , Nautilus , "desktop-devel-list@gnome.org" , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> In-Reply-To: <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Havoc Pennington wrote: >Hi, > >So Alex - yesterday you complain about list traffic, today you >triple-crosspost a thread about ~/Desktop vs. ~/.gnome-desktop >vs. "desktop is your homedir" ;-) > > vote for ~/Desktop ! > >Havoc >_______________________________________________ >gnome-hackers mailing list >gnome-hackers@gnome.org >http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-hackers > > > > Hear hear! $HOME - The simplest, orthogonal-est, non-reflexive-est, sensible-est solution :-). AFAI can see, Desktop has only one thing going for it - KDE interoperability. Has this been raised on xdg? (I've seen it mentioned in passing, but not as an issue in itself). Long. From rees@netnam.vn Thu May 15 23:23:49 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp.netnam.vn (smtp.netnam.vn [203.162.7.93]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69E0F1822C for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 23:23:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netnam.vn (ci75_116.netnam.vn [203.162.75.116] (may be forged)) by smtp.netnam.vn (8.11.7+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4GHPKY10988; Fri, 16 May 2003 10:25:21 -0700 (GMT) Message-ID: <3EC45A17.3030904@netnam.vn> Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 10:25:11 +0700 From: Darryl Rees User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dave Camp Cc: kb , Nautilus Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1053027672.15642.17.camel@monkey> <1053028016.7841.13.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> In-Reply-To: <1053028016.7841.13.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Dave Camp wrote: >On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 15:41, kb wrote: > > >>I can see my desktop, well... on my desktop. There is no need IMHO to >>clutter up my home with a visible directory. That should really be >>hidden in a .desktop directory. >> >> > >Users of the desktop often want to get to the desktop from outside >nautilus, for example in file selectors or shells. > >The desktop is a place for a user to store files. The user shouldn't >have to know what the name of a hidden directory is to get to their >documents. > >-dave > > > Not a problem if you use $HOME :-) (Also all apps/fileselectors - not just gnome/gtk ones - have a 'home' button. Having Desktop means adding another button.) Long. From hp@redhat.com Thu May 15 23:36:48 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7395E180E6; Thu, 15 May 2003 23:36:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from hp@localhost) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) id h4G3aZT22671; Thu, 15 May 2003 23:36:35 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 23:36:35 -0400 From: Havoc Pennington To: Darryl Rees Cc: Alexander Larsson , Nautilus , "desktop-devel-list@gnome.org" , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling Message-ID: <20030515233635.C8728@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <3EC4572F.5080305@netnam.vn> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <3EC4572F.5080305@netnam.vn> Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, May 16, 2003 at 10:12:47AM +0700, Darryl Rees wrote: > AFAI can see, Desktop has only one thing going for it - KDE > interoperability. Has this been raised on xdg? (I've seen it > mentioned in passing, but not as an issue in itself). It has been raised in the past, yes. The solution I'd proposed was a thing called desktop-directory-utils. With Alex's "virtual icons" solution though that's no longer required. KDE has a configurable location for the desktop, including $HOME, so full interoperability there would really mean some spec for where to store that setting. I don't think we can go very far down the "shared config options" route without having a shared config system implementation. Or you end up with zillions of little dotfiles each with their own spec. Havoc From dave@ximian.com Fri May 16 00:33:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [141.154.95.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50C9B1823A for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 00:33:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 22877 invoked from network); 16 May 2003 04:33:53 -0000 Received: from dmz.ximian.com (HELO squee.boston.ximian.com) (141.154.95.1) by peabody.ximian.com with RC4-MD5 encrypted SMTP; 16 May 2003 04:33:53 -0000 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Dave Camp To: MArk Finlay Cc: Nautilus , "desktop-devel-list@gnome.org" , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" In-Reply-To: <1053038958.2492.31.camel@dogbert> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1053038958.2492.31.camel@dogbert> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Ximian, Inc. Message-Id: <1053059606.7835.25.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (Preview Release) Date: 16 May 2003 00:33:26 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Here's my objection to $HOME-as-the-desktop: Nautilus' desktop should be a user-managed space. System-managed files do not belong on the desktop, even if they are hidden. $HOME is the root of the user's writable filesystem. All files owned by the user must be placed somewhere in $HOME (except for special cases like tmp files) - there's just nowhere else to put them. So if you use $HOME as the desktop, you are forcing system-managed files to be on the desktop (even if they are hidden by default). This doesn't make any sense - if a user turns on 'Show Hidden Files', they don't want their desktop cluttered with a bunch of system-managed files. .gnome-desktop was a pain to use as a document directory, because file selectors defaulted to $HOME, and you couldn't get to ~/.gnome-desktop without knowing where to go and typing it in. Using ~/Desktop improves that. Making file selectors default to ~/Desktop will improve it further, in keeping with the idea of the desktop as a place for user-managed files. -dave On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 19:11, MArk Finlay wrote: > If were going to have this argument then I think that now is as > good a time as any. One thing we don't want to do is to migrate to > ~/Desktop and then to ~/ From pah06@uow.edu.au Fri May 16 00:59:56 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from ziz.its.uow.edu.au (ziz.its.uow.edu.au [130.130.68.16]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FFBA180EE for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 00:59:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ziz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ziz.its.uow.edu.au (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4G4xs5H004639 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 14:59:54 +1000 (EST) Received: from chac.its.uow.edu.au ([130.130.37.3]) by ziz.its.uow.edu.au (MailMonitor for SMTP v1.2.2 ) ; Fri, 16 May 2003 14:59:54 +1000 (EST) Received: (from sendmail@localhost) by chac.its.uow.edu.au (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h4G4xsw4014681 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 14:59:54 +1000 (EST) Received: from samwise.dsl.uow.edu.au (samwise.dsl.uow.edu.au[130.130.66.26]) by chac.its.uow.edu.au (UWSMTPD 1.1) with ESMTP id 4485193.14680; Friday, 16 May 2003 14:59:53 +1000 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Peter Harvey To: Nautilus List In-Reply-To: <1053059606.7835.25.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1053038958.2492.31.camel@dogbert> <1053059606.7835.25.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: SITACS, University of Wollongong Message-Id: <1053061191.848.127.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.3 Date: 16 May 2003 14:59:52 +1000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 14:33, Dave Camp wrote: > Here's my objection to $HOME-as-the-desktop: > > Nautilus' desktop should be a user-managed space. System-managed files > do not belong on the desktop, even if they are hidden. > > $HOME is the root of the user's writable filesystem. All files owned by > the user must be placed somewhere in $HOME (except for special cases > like tmp files) - there's just nowhere else to put them. > > So if you use $HOME as the desktop, you are forcing system-managed files > to be on the desktop (even if they are hidden by default). This doesn't > make any sense - if a user turns on 'Show Hidden Files', they don't want > their desktop cluttered with a bunch of system-managed files. > > .gnome-desktop was a pain to use as a document directory, because file > selectors defaulted to $HOME, and you couldn't get to ~/.gnome-desktop > without knowing where to go and typing it in. Using ~/Desktop improves > that. Making file selectors default to ~/Desktop will improve it > further, in keeping with the idea of the desktop as a place for > user-managed files. > > -dave I think I have quite a different interpretation of the situation. $HOME is my first point of access for my files that I want to use. However, the desktop is my first point of access when I want to manage my files. For example, after I have downloaded .tar.gz or .ps.gz (which obviously go into $HOME so that I can use them), I need to sort them (which is what I use Nautilus for). It seems only natural then that $HOME should be my desktop. I do agree that your desktop shouldn't contain heaps of hidden system files. But by the same thinking, when you begin a shell session you *probably* shouldn't be in a directory full of hidden system (and quite sensitive) files either. Although this will never happen, the system files we all have in our home directory probably belong in a separate directory altogether. Maybe $HOME/etc ? Anyway, many people will already have an existing directory structure which they use to organise their files, rooted at $HOME. Desktop thus should be $HOME because, in general, it's easier to sort files downward (into subdirectories) than upward (into parent) or sideways (into sibling directories). Assume I had a directory structured like this: /home/harvey/Desktop /home/harvey/Papers Assume that I then downloaded a file to my home directory. To move that file into Papers I either use bash (byebye Nautilus) or startup a Nautilus window, navigate to my home directory, and drag the file into the Papers directory. If I downloaded the file to /home/harvey/Desktop, the situation is just as bad, if not worse. But, if my Desktop was my home directory, the file I download is right in front of me, as is the target directory. The obvious alternative is to have a structure like this, putting all my directories on the new desktop: /home/harvey/Desktop /home/harvey/Desktop/Papers and have all downloads go to my desktop. However, if I apply this to all my data directories, then after starting bash I immediately have to "cd Desktop" to actually get to any of my files. Essentially, we'd be trying to deprecate all existing file tools (eg. bash) by decreeing that all a person's files must now be in the Desktop directory. For people who like a separate desktop directory, I agree that ~/Desktop is better than ~/.gnome-desktop. But I still believe ~ is better than ~/Desktop. -- Peter Harvey SITACS, University of Wollongong From fworsley@shaw.ca Fri May 16 01:46:38 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from pd4mo2so.prod.shaw.ca (shawidc-mo1.cg.shawcable.net [24.71.223.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE5381819D for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 01:46:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pd4mr2so.prod.shaw.ca (pd4mr2so-qfe3.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.141.213]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HEY00M9GTDJIE@l-daemon> for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Thu, 15 May 2003 23:46:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from pn2ml2so.prod.shaw.ca (pn2ml2so-qfe0.prod.shaw.ca [10.0.121.146]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HEY00JM8TDJR2@l-daemon> for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Thu, 15 May 2003 23:46:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from falcon (h24-69-57-201.gv.shawcable.net [24.69.57.201]) by l-daemon (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.14 (built Mar 18 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HEY002EFTDI84@l-daemon> for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Thu, 15 May 2003 23:46:31 -0600 (MDT) Received: from falcon ([127.0.0.1] helo=falcon.wox.org ident=www-data) by falcon with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 19GXyr-0004qG-00; Thu, 15 May 2003 22:42:09 -0700 Received: from 207.6.12.155 (SquirrelMail authenticated user fworsley) by falcon.wox.org with HTTP; Thu, 15 May 2003 22:42:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 22:42:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Frank Worsley Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling In-reply-to: <1053061191.848.127.camel@localhost> To: Peter Harvey Cc: Nautilus List Message-id: <1502.207.6.12.155.1053063729.squirrel@falcon.wox.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.0 References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <"20030515163104.H1393 9"@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1053038958.2492.31.camel@dogbert> <"10530596 06.7835.25.camel"@squee.boston.ximian.com> <1053061191.848.127.camel@localhost> Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I also vote for $HOME as desktop. At first I thought that was a crazy idea, but after actually trying it there is just no way of going back. In the olden days when there only was the console your home dir was basically what people now think of as the desktop. A place where you put your files and work with your files. Why introduce a new concept of desktop (or home dir) now? For the sceptics, all I can suggest is that you actually try running with $HOME as your desktop. Originally I didn't believe it was a good idea until I tried it myself. Of course, this is kind of a holy war, so the best thing would be a configuration option to set whatever dir you want to your desktop dir. Just my 2 cents, - Frank PS: If you don't like seeing all the .desktop files in your home dir when you do an ls try this: alias ls='ls --ignore="*.desktop"' PPS: Thanks to Alex and co for applying my url_show patches. From dal.cero@iol.it Fri May 16 02:05:23 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from yattaweb.it (adsl203-148-208.mclink.it [213.203.148.208]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5E676183C0 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 02:05:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 24385 invoked from network); 16 May 2003 06:05:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO jigen) (192.168.0.3) by 213.203.148.208 with SMTP; 16 May 2003 06:05:16 -0000 Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 08:07:33 +0200 From: Massimiliano Dal Cero To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling Message-Id: <20030516080733.1080cb19.dal.cero@iol.it> Organization: YattaWEB X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.11 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Sorry, but : ln -s ~/.gnome-desktop ~/desktop is not correct ? I use this and is very OK. Bye YattA Massimiliano Dal Cero - Bologna - Italy From alexl@redhat.com Fri May 16 02:58:51 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2839A1810D; Fri, 16 May 2003 02:58:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h4G6wm521837; Fri, 16 May 2003 02:58:48 -0400 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Alexander Larsson To: Havoc Pennington Cc: Nautilus , "desktop-devel-list@gnome.org" , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" In-Reply-To: <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1053068327.30862.65.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 16 May 2003 08:58:48 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 22:31, Havoc Pennington wrote: > Hi, > > So Alex - yesterday you complain about list traffic, today you > triple-crosspost a thread about ~/Desktop vs. ~/.gnome-desktop > vs. "desktop is your homedir" ;-) > > vote for ~/Desktop ! I wanted to make sure nobody missed the announcement, but In retrospect I should have set reply-to to avoid the multiple replies. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's an all-American ninja rock star with a secret. She's a disco-crazy cigar-chomping lawyer who dreams of becoming Elvis. They fight crime! From snaggen@acc.umu.se Fri May 16 03:06:04 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from MOTHERII.simovits.com (unknown [195.22.81.34]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0EDA1810D for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 03:06:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xena.simovits.com ([192.168.1.16]) by MOTHERII.simovits.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 16 May 2003 09:09:53 +0200 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Mattias Eriksson To: Nautilus In-Reply-To: <1053059606.7835.25.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1053038958.2492.31.camel@dogbert> <1053059606.7835.25.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1053068989.26716.13.camel@gabrielle.simovits.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (Preview Release) Date: 16 May 2003 09:09:50 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 May 2003 07:09:53.0441 (UTC) FILETIME=[26064110:01C31B7A] Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: fre 2003-05-16 klockan 06.33 skrev Dave Camp: > Here's my objection to $HOME-as-the-desktop: > > Nautilus' desktop should be a user-managed space. System-managed files > do not belong on the desktop, even if they are hidden. I must say that I see your point and I agree that this is how it should be. The problem is that most applications doesn't handle system-manage files and user-manage files differently, most apps store the settings a dot-files in $HOME, but also suggetsts $HOME if a user want to save a file. This is the problem and why this discussion will never die ;) Use $HOME as a desktop improves the usability by letting saved stuff be placed on the desktop, and I doesn't have to use "cd" to get to my "pseudo home". The desktop-dir will however be cluttered with system-managed files, this is a trade-off I'm willing to make. If Nautilus had a way to hide ordinary files and dirs $HOME would make a good default. And if it was default applications like evolution would probably start to hide their files (I know some of the evolution guys are keep saying that they will make it happen, but I still se it there...). //Snaggen -- Mattias Eriksson From Padraig.Obriain@Sun.COM Fri May 16 03:28:05 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (nwkea-mail-1.sun.com [192.18.42.13]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AB461816E for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 03:28:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM ([129.156.220.69]) by nwkea-mail-1.sun.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4G7S2HN013214 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 00:28:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from anymachine (anymachine [129.156.238.95]) by dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM (8.11.7+Sun/8.10.2/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with SMTP id h4G7Ruh02481 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 08:27:57 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200305160727.h4G7Ruh02481@dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM> Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 08:27:57 +0100 (BST) From: "Padraig O'Briain" Reply-To: "Padraig O'Briain" Subject: Patches for nautilus bugs To: nautilus-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: kEXP/G4UEznfpG2xRZfYaw== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 @(#)CDE Version 1.5.3_06 SunOS 5.9 sun4u sparc Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I have appended patches to the bugs 79059 and 193348. I would appreciate if these patches were reviewed so they could be either accepted or rejected. Padraig From alexl@redhat.com Fri May 16 03:52:38 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C12B1821B for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 03:52:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h4G7qa528713; Fri, 16 May 2003 03:52:36 -0400 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Alexander Larsson To: sinzui@cox.net Cc: Nautilus In-Reply-To: <1053041037.643.17.camel@autumn.local> References: <1053041037.643.17.camel@autumn.local> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1053071554.30862.87.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 16 May 2003 09:52:35 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 01:23, Curtis Hovey wrote: > Will desktop_is_home_dir still be available in gconf? > Yes, but it is as "unsupported" as before. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a witless chivalrous vagrant who dotes on his loving old ma. She's a strong-willed antique-collecting barmaid with a birthmark shaped like Liberty's torch. They fight crime! From alexl@redhat.com Fri May 16 03:59:37 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 630901836C for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 03:59:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h4G7xX529880; Fri, 16 May 2003 03:59:33 -0400 Subject: Re: Patches for nautilus bugs From: Alexander Larsson To: "Padraig O'Briain" Cc: Nautilus In-Reply-To: <200305160727.h4G7Ruh02481@dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM> References: <200305160727.h4G7Ruh02481@dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1053071971.30862.90.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 16 May 2003 09:59:32 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 09:27, Padraig O'Briain wrote: > I have appended patches to the bugs 79059 and 193348. I would appreciate if > these patches were reviewed so they could be either accepted or rejected. I've been a bit busy with the desktop changes, so I haven't had time to look at bugzilla recently. Sorry about that. I commented on the first patch, but there seems to be no bug 193348. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a scarfaced misogynist vampire hunter searching for his wife's true killer. She's a manipulative tomboy widow married to the Mob. They fight crime! From rees@netnam.vn Fri May 16 04:04:29 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp.netnam.vn (smtp.netnam.vn [203.162.7.93]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2775718333; Fri, 16 May 2003 04:04:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netnam.vn (ci75_84.netnam.vn [203.162.75.84] (may be forged)) by smtp.netnam.vn (8.11.7+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4GM6NY11045; Fri, 16 May 2003 15:06:23 -0700 (GMT) Message-ID: <3EC49C28.9000306@netnam.vn> Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 15:07:04 +0700 From: Darryl Rees User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: Nautilus , "desktop-devel-list@gnome.org" , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1053038958.2492.31.camel@dogbert> <1053059606.7835.25.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> In-Reply-To: <1053059606.7835.25.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Dave Camp wrote: >So if you use $HOME as the desktop, you are forcing system-managed files >to be on the desktop (even if they are hidden by default). This doesn't >make any sense - if a user turns on 'Show Hidden Files', they don't want >their desktop cluttered with a bunch of system-managed files. > > OK. But surely hidden files are meant to be hidden? If you want to have some of your hidden files 'visible' then you're introducing a whole wierd ontology of hiddenness. There must be a better way. OTOH, trying to rationalize a _semantic difference_ for ~ and ~/Desktop seems kind of artificial. They are both a 'HOME' directory in some sense. Just the fact that you need to put reflexive links between them should indicate something. >.gnome-desktop was a pain to use as a document directory, because file >selectors defaulted to $HOME, and you couldn't get to ~/.gnome-desktop >without knowing where to go and typing it in. Using ~/Desktop improves >that. Making file selectors default to ~/Desktop will improve it >further, in keeping with the idea of the desktop as a place for >user-managed files. > >-dave > The premises in this paragraph almost sounds like you're arguing for $HOME, but then you reached the wrong conclusion :-). OK, sorry I'm being a total dick. Seriously, how are the files in $HOME not user-managed? Are you saying that $HOME is for system files, ~/Desktop is for all user files? That just seems the wrong way around for me, and maybe that is the heart of the matter. I just feel $HOME as desktop makes the desktop metaphor conceptually simpler and cleaner, sorry to harp on. Also want to thank Alexander Larson for those latest patches - they seem like a really great step forward, regardless of this issue. Thanks Alex. Cheers, Long From Padraig.Obriain@sun.com Fri May 16 04:10:15 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C485D18333 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 04:10:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM ([129.156.220.69]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4G8ACsa009165; Fri, 16 May 2003 02:10:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from anymachine (anymachine [129.156.238.95]) by dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM (8.11.7+Sun/8.10.2/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with SMTP id h4G8ABh12741; Fri, 16 May 2003 09:10:11 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200305160810.h4G8ABh12741@dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM> Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 09:10:11 +0100 (BST) From: "Padraig O'Briain" Reply-To: "Padraig O'Briain" Subject: Re: Patches for nautilus bugs To: Padraig.Obriain@sun.com, alexl@redhat.com Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: 0GCQhHqJVoGpNuE8D60dzQ== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 @(#)CDE Version 1.5.3_06 SunOS 5.9 sun4u sparc Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Sorry about the typo. It should be 103348. Padraig > Subject: Re: Patches for nautilus bugs > To: "Padraig O'Briain" > Cc: Nautilus > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 09:27, Padraig O'Briain wrote: > > I have appended patches to the bugs 79059 and 193348. I would appreciate if > > these patches were reviewed so they could be either accepted or rejected. > > I've been a bit busy with the desktop changes, so I haven't had time to > look at bugzilla recently. Sorry about that. > > I commented on the first patch, but there seems to be no bug 193348. > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc > alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se > He's a scarfaced misogynist vampire hunter searching for his wife's true > killer. She's a manipulative tomboy widow married to the Mob. They fight > crime! > From tigert@ximian.com Fri May 16 04:25:35 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [141.154.95.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF29218322 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 04:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 310 invoked from network); 16 May 2003 08:25:33 -0000 Received: from peabody.ximian.com (HELO localhost) (141.154.95.10) by peabody.ximian.com with SMTP; 16 May 2003 08:25:33 -0000 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Tuomas Kuosmanen To: Dave Camp Cc: MArk Finlay , Nautilus List , "desktop-devel-list@gnome.org" , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" In-Reply-To: <1053059606.7835.25.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1053038958.2492.31.camel@dogbert> <1053059606.7835.25.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1053073545.12516.148.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.4 Date: 16 May 2003 11:25:46 +0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 07:33, Dave Camp wrote: > Here's my objection to $HOME-as-the-desktop: [thoughtful reasoning zapped] I agree with Dave here. This might be a shock for a lot of people who remember me as one of the big "home-as-desktop" -guys. I still like the idea a lot, but as a general default setup this makes a ton of sense since it is just more familiar, and after all, not that painful either. I have done the symlink fun again and been using ~/Desktop for a few weeks now and it is pretty okay. Just being able to find the desktop dir in fileselectors removes most of the pain :) Things that would be nice to have still: * A desktop button in the file selector, as well as a Home button. We really do need a good file selector with bookmarks and gnome-vfs support. The gtk filesel is not that bad, but it just lacks everything but the very basic functionality. * Even more speed for Nautilus, this has improved dramatically and the slowness was one of the reasons I know that drove me to find solutions to find my files faster. But still, under moderate system load opening folders can get slow. I guess this is unavoidable too, but it still sucks to be the user at that point. So, I support what Alex and Dave proposed. When we get a good file open/save dialog it is even better, but I am not holding my breath this time.. I just hope it doesnt take another 5 years :) Tuomas -- Tuomas Kuosmanen | tigert@ximian.com | www.ximian.com From michael@ximian.com Fri May 16 05:19:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [141.154.95.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B90B918B66 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 05:19:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 2700 invoked from network); 16 May 2003 09:19:53 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO michael.home) (michael@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 16 May 2003 09:19:53 -0000 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Michael Meeks To: Alex Larsson Cc: Nautilus In-Reply-To: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Ximian. Message-Id: <1053076465.11246.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 16 May 2003 10:14:25 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi Alex, On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 19:24, Alexander Larsson wrote: > The new system works very differently. The desktop icons (trash, home > and volume icons) are all in-memory objects. They are implemented like > "virtual files" and put in the desktop view by some deep magic. This is great work; however - for those who love to re-write everything; how easy is it going to be to cut and paste this into the new file selector code ;-( Or in other words; is the deep magic at the gnome-vfs level ? Good stuff though, Michael. -- mmeeks@gnu.org <><, Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot From dave@ximian.com Fri May 16 09:00:01 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [141.154.95.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F4FC18642 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 09:00:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 12450 invoked from network); 16 May 2003 13:00:00 -0000 Received: from dmz.ximian.com (HELO squee.boston.ximian.com) (141.154.95.1) by peabody.ximian.com with RC4-MD5 encrypted SMTP; 16 May 2003 13:00:00 -0000 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Dave Camp To: Darryl Rees Cc: Nautilus , "desktop-devel-list@gnome.org" , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" In-Reply-To: <3EC49C28.9000306@netnam.vn> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1053038958.2492.31.camel@dogbert> <1053059606.7835.25.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> <3EC49C28.9000306@netnam.vn> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Ximian, Inc. Message-Id: <1053089973.7842.35.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (Preview Release) Date: 16 May 2003 08:59:34 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 04:07, Darryl Rees wrote: > Seriously, how are the files in $HOME not user-managed? Are you saying > that $HOME is for system files, ~/Desktop is for all user files? That > just seems the wrong way around for me, and maybe that is the heart of > the matter. Take, for example, ~/.gconf. If you edit those yourself, you're probably in trouble. ~/.gnome2 doesn't contain documents created by the user. -dave From julo@altern.org Fri May 16 09:19:14 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mwinf0204.wanadoo.fr (smtp7.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.29]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0444218641; Fri, 16 May 2003 09:19:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.228] (unknown [193.248.214.182]) by mwinf0204.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0149EA0001A6; Fri, 16 May 2003 15:18:46 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Julien Olivier To: Havoc Pennington Cc: Alexander Larsson , Nautilus , "desktop-devel-list@gnome.org" , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" In-Reply-To: <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Organization: Message-Id: <1053090999.3001.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-4) Date: 16 May 2003 15:16:40 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Le jeu 15/05/2003 à 22:31, Havoc Pennington a écrit : > Hi, > > So Alex - yesterday you complain about list traffic, today you > triple-crosspost a thread about ~/Desktop vs. ~/.gnome-desktop > vs. "desktop is your homedir" ;-) > > vote for ~/Desktop ! > $HOME as desktop please :) > Havoc > _______________________________________________ > desktop-devel-list mailing list > desktop-devel-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list From abe@fettig.net Fri May 16 09:40:57 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mingus (twmaine-63-167-211-226.twmaine.com [63.167.211.226]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9019F18641; Fri, 16 May 2003 09:40:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mingus ([127.0.0.1] helo=localhost) by mingus with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 19GfUC-0000DH-00; Fri, 16 May 2003 09:43:00 -0400 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Abe Fettig To: Havoc Pennington Cc: Nautilus , "desktop-devel-list@gnome.org" , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" In-Reply-To: <20030515220543.A8728@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1053038958.2492.31.camel@dogbert> <20030515220543.A8728@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1053092578.798.7.camel@mingus> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.1 (Preview Release) Date: 16 May 2003 09:42:59 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 22:05, Havoc Pennington wrote: > On Fri, May 16, 2003 at 12:11:09AM +0100, MArk Finlay wrote: > > If were going to have this argument then I think that now is as > > good a time as any. One thing we don't want to do is to migrate to > > ~/Desktop and then to ~/ > > My point was kind of that we already had the argument a few times. ;-) I don't know if this will make any difference, but I just have to say it: Please DO SOME USABILITY TESTING on this!!! As in, pick a few users, with different experience and OS backgrounds, have them sit down and use Nautilus with home-as-desktop and ~/Desktop-as-desktop, and see how they like it. It would only take a few minutes with each user. Have them download a file, save it to disk, and then open it. Have them create a "Documents" directory, open Abiword, and save to the directory they created. And so forth. You're sure to find some interesting results that will let you make an educated decision on this. For the record, I've used home-as-desktop for the past year or so, and I love it. But I'm a software developer with years of experience using Linux as my everyday desktop OS, so I don't think my opinions necessarily reflect those of the average user. Abe From alexl@redhat.com Fri May 16 09:55:31 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A7CE18641 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 09:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h4GDtT511250; Fri, 16 May 2003 09:55:29 -0400 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Alexander Larsson To: Michael Meeks Cc: Nautilus In-Reply-To: <1053076465.11246.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1053076465.11246.42.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1053093327.11180.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 16 May 2003 15:55:28 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 11:14, Michael Meeks wrote: > Hi Alex, > > On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 19:24, Alexander Larsson wrote: > > The new system works very differently. The desktop icons (trash, home > > and volume icons) are all in-memory objects. They are implemented like > > "virtual files" and put in the desktop view by some deep magic. > > This is great work; however - for those who love to re-write > everything; how easy is it going to be to cut and paste this into the > new file selector code ;-( > > Or in other words; is the deep magic at the gnome-vfs level ? No. The deep magic is just in nautilus internals. It should be easy to do in a file selector though. The hard part is the volume monitor. At some time we should possibly move that down the stack, although with the horrible mess it is now I don't like that idea. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a bookish gay cowboy haunted by an iconic dead American confidante She's a brilliant blonde femme fatale who can talk to animals. They fight crime! From snaggen@acc.umu.se Fri May 16 09:57:02 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from MOTHERII.simovits.com (unknown [195.22.81.34]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48EDF18DF7 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 09:57:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xena.simovits.com ([192.168.1.16]) by MOTHERII.simovits.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Fri, 16 May 2003 16:00:55 +0200 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Mattias Eriksson To: Nautilus In-Reply-To: <1053092578.798.7.camel@mingus> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1053038958.2492.31.camel@dogbert> <20030515220543.A8728@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1053092578.798.7.camel@mingus> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1053093650.31490.15.camel@gabrielle.simovits.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (Preview Release) Date: 16 May 2003 16:00:51 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 16 May 2003 14:00:55.0595 (UTC) FILETIME=[91D04FB0:01C31BB3] Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: fre 2003-05-16 klockan 15.42 skrev Abe Fettig: > On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 22:05, Havoc Pennington wrote: > > On Fri, May 16, 2003 at 12:11:09AM +0100, MArk Finlay wrote: > > > If were going to have this argument then I think that now is as > > > good a time as any. One thing we don't want to do is to migrate to > > > ~/Desktop and then to ~/ > > > > My point was kind of that we already had the argument a few times. ;-) > > I don't know if this will make any difference, but I just have to say > it: > > Please DO SOME USABILITY TESTING on this!!! First I must say that the changes Alex has done is a great improvement, ~/Desktop is alot better than ~/.gnome-desktop (And I think we all agree on this). The discussion have however turned into the usual $HOME as desktop long threaded discussion with no end. And since we are never going to agree on this, I suggest the following: 1. File and fix bugs to impove $HOME as Desktop - It's not currently ready for primetime (You must be able to hide dirs, it is confusing that some dirs just appears). 2. When $HOME is ready for primetime, a usability testing should be done, as suggested by Abe. 3. Make a decition based on the usability testing and stand by it. One of the current problem is that there are no formal decission on this, so people pro $HOME as desktop (like me...) tend to take every chance to start a long thread about it... //Snaggen From julo@altern.org Fri May 16 09:58:43 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mwinf0601.wanadoo.fr (smtp3.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.25]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68BAC18E07; Fri, 16 May 2003 09:58:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.228] (unknown [193.248.214.182]) by mwinf0601.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 8E6893400149; Fri, 16 May 2003 15:58:41 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Julien Olivier To: Havoc Pennington Cc: MArk Finlay , Alexander Larsson , Nautilus , "desktop-devel-list@gnome.org" , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" In-Reply-To: <20030515220543.A8728@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1053038958.2492.31.camel@dogbert> <20030515220543.A8728@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Organization: Message-Id: <1053093416.3001.38.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-4) Date: 16 May 2003 15:56:56 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Le ven 16/05/2003 à 04:05, Havoc Pennington a écrit : > On Fri, May 16, 2003 at 12:11:09AM +0100, MArk Finlay wrote: > > Firstly, sorry for my rather unhelpful last mail, > > not to address this seriously. > > > > > So Alex - yesterday you complain about list traffic, today you > > > triple-crosspost a thread about ~/Desktop vs. ~/.gnome-desktop > > > vs. "desktop is your homedir" ;-) > > > > > > vote for ~/Desktop ! > > > > If were going to have this argument then I think that now is as > > good a time as any. One thing we don't want to do is to migrate to > > ~/Desktop and then to ~/ > > My point was kind of that we already had the argument a few times. ;-) > Well, once I asked why Nautilus used ~/.gnome-desktop instead of ~/Desktop and I was answered that this topic had been discussed again and again and that it had decided that it (~/.gnome-desktop) was obviously the best choice. So, sometimes, it's good to have arguments again and again as opinions can change with time. > Havoc > _______________________________________________ > desktop-devel-list mailing list > desktop-devel-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list From bordoley@msu.edu Fri May 16 10:03:07 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from sys09.mail.msu.edu (sys09.mail.msu.edu [35.9.75.109]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BFFE1863A; Fri, 16 May 2003 10:03:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bordoley by sys09.mail.msu.edu with local (Exim 4.10 #3) (authenticated as bordoley) id 19Gfnd-0002ef-00; Fri, 16 May 2003 10:03:05 -0400 References: <20030515183917.25726.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> <1053077608.2298.14.camel@scabbers.hallendal.net> In-Reply-To: <1053077608.2298.14.camel@scabbers.hallendal.net> From: "David Adam Bordoley" To: Mikael Hallendal Cc: atai@atai.org, Alexander Larsson , Nautilus , GNOME Desktop Devel , GNOME Hackers Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 10:03:05 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Mikael Hallendal writes: > tor 2003-05-15 klockan 20.39 skrev Andy Tai: >> This seems to be a large step backwards. The folder >> "Desktop" should belong to the user, not a program, or >> a desktop environment. If KDE uses it, that should be >> wrong to. > > This discussion has been held several times. I don't know if anything > was decided since I quit reading the threads. People will always have > different opinions about this issue. In the end, maintainer decides, if > you (or anyone else that chooses to make a long thread about this) > wanted to make the decision you should have played an active role in the > nautilus development. > > Love to Alex and Dave for taking this ungrateful job of maintaining the > module where nothing can be released without getting lots of flames > back. You do a great work, keep rocking!! > I want to second this sentiment. I personally disagree with the decision, but in the end it is the maintainers decision as to what will be implemented. The length of this thread is obscene. The maints have made a decision find something else to flame about please. dave From george@gmsys.com Fri May 16 11:55:31 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from ve7frg.gmsys.com (h24-66-186-212.du.shawcable.net [24.66.186.212]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D15EA18E3D for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 11:55:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ve7frg.gmsys.com (ve7frg.gmsys.com [127.0.0.1]) by ve7frg.gmsys.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h4GFtU6F018354 for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 08:55:30 -0700 Received: (from george@localhost) by ve7frg.gmsys.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h4GFtTrS018352 for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Fri, 16 May 2003 08:55:29 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ve7frg.gmsys.com: george set sender to george@gmsys.com using -f Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: George Farris To: Nautilus In-Reply-To: <1053093650.31490.15.camel@gabrielle.simovits.com> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1053038958.2492.31.camel@dogbert> <20030515220543.A8728@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1053092578.798.7.camel@mingus> <1053093650.31490.15.camel@gabrielle.simovits.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Message-Id: <1053100528.18252.7.camel@ve7frg.gmsys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-4) Date: 16 May 2003 08:55:29 -0700 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 07:00, Mattias Eriksson wrote: > First I must say that the changes Alex has done is a great improvement, > ~/Desktop is alot better than ~/.gnome-desktop (And I think we all agree > on this). > > The discussion have however turned into the usual $HOME as desktop long > threaded discussion with no end. And since we are never going to agree > on this, I suggest the following: > > 1. File and fix bugs to impove $HOME as Desktop - It's not currently > ready for primetime (You must be able to hide dirs, it is confusing that > some dirs just appears). > > 2. When $HOME is ready for primetime, a usability testing should be > done, as suggested by Abe. > > 3. Make a decition based on the usability testing and stand by it. One > of the current problem is that there are no formal decission on this, so > people pro $HOME as desktop (like me...) tend to take every chance to > start a long thread about it... > > //Snaggen The one thing I get out of this whole thread is that people **want** to have a choice of where their desktop resides, $HOME or ~/Desktop or ~/.desktop or whatever. I see no reason why a simple GConf key can't solve this with a default to ~/Desktop. This allows us power users to still have $HOME as desktop. Could an explanation be given why a GConf key wouldn't work, after all just because we can't foresee a very necessary reason to change the desktop, doesn't mean it won't appear. -- George Farris From sisob@eircom.net Fri May 16 13:07:12 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mail1.mail.iol.ie (mail1.mail.iol.ie [194.125.2.192]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07BD218629; Fri, 16 May 2003 13:07:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [194.165.164.71] (helo=k-airlock071.esatclear.ie) by mail1.mail.iol.ie with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19Ghjd-0001DM-00; Fri, 16 May 2003 17:07:05 +0100 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: MArk Finlay To: Dave Camp Cc: Nautilus , "desktop-devel-list@gnome.org" , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" In-Reply-To: <1053059606.7835.25.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1053038958.2492.31.camel@dogbert> <1053059606.7835.25.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1053104779.2493.40.camel@dogbert> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 16 May 2003 18:07:15 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I agree that this argument is not likely to go anywhere so I'm going to try and make this my last post on the subject. On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 05:33, Dave Camp wrote: > Here's my objection to $HOME-as-the-desktop: > > Nautilus' desktop should be a user-managed space. System-managed files > do not belong on the desktop, even if they are hidden. To me this is a non-argument. If you cannot see the files then they are not going to hurt you in any way. > So if you use $HOME as the desktop, you are forcing system-managed files > to be on the desktop (even if they are hidden by default). This doesn't > make any sense - if a user turns on 'Show Hidden Files', they don't want > their desktop cluttered with a bunch of system-managed files. Well there is now way of seeing dotfiles on the desktop atm and I don't see why that would ever change. The only hidden files you would ever want to view on the desktop are files that are hidden by nautilus (if/when it gains that functionality). > .gnome-desktop was a pain to use as a document directory, because file > selectors defaulted to $HOME, and you couldn't get to ~/.gnome-desktop > without knowing where to go and typing it in. Using ~/Desktop improves > that. Making file selectors default to ~/Desktop will improve it > further, in keeping with the idea of the desktop as a place for > user-managed files. Yeah, but there are still going to be non-gnome files selectors and the command line. To me using ~/Desktop for user files seem like a workaround instead of a solution. Just because the file selector defaults to ~/Desktop does not negate the fact that we are presenting the user with both ~/Desktop and $HOME and some applications will use one and some will use the other. You say that $HOME should not be the desktop because it has has system-managed file in it? Why is this any different from the way we work now. We have an icon on the desktop that says "home folder", encouraging users to store their files there, along with the system-managed files. I don't see how this is any different from $HOME as desktop, or how it is an argument against it: either way we have a mix of system and user files, and no-one really minds. LAter -- .--= [ MArk Finlay - sisob ] =--. [ Gnome User's Board : www.gnomesupport.org/forums ] [ Public Key: http://evolvedoo.sf.net/sisobatericomdotnet.asc ] From atai@atai.org Thu May 15 14:39:19 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from web10506.mail.yahoo.com (web10506.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.156]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5D54418CF5 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 14:39:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <20030515183917.25726.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.175.241.54] by web10506.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 15 May 2003 11:39:17 PDT X-RocketYMMF: lichengtai Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 11:39:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Tai Reply-To: atai@atai.org Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling To: Alexander Larsson , Nautilus , "desktop-devel-list@gnome.org" , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" In-Reply-To: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This seems to be a large step backwards. The folder "Desktop" should belong to the user, not a program, or a desktop environment. If KDE uses it, that should be wrong to. ".desktop" seems to be more correct. --- Alexander Larsson wrote: > As part of this change the directory for the desktop > was changed from > ~/.gnome-desktop to ~/Desktop From dmitry@taurussoft.org Fri May 16 04:36:44 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from pochta.mtw.ru (unknown [193.124.133.204]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3AE8182D7; Fri, 16 May 2003 04:36:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kitezh.hq.taurussoft.org (ts29-a243.Moscow.dial.rol.ru [212.46.252.243]) by pochta.mtw.ru (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1BBF1E262E; Fri, 16 May 2003 12:32:47 +0400 (MSD) Received: from flame-in-night.hq.taurussoft.org (flame-in-night.hq.taurussoft.org [192.168.107.1]) by kitezh.hq.taurussoft.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 098F057A5C; Fri, 16 May 2003 12:36:36 +0400 (MSD) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by flame-in-night.hq.taurussoft.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C8B0281FD; Fri, 16 May 2003 12:38:06 +0400 (MSD) Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: "Dmitry G. Mastrukov" To: Alexander Larsson Cc: Nautilus , "desktop-devel-list@gnome.org" , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" In-Reply-To: <1053026641.11547.4.camel@shaunmlx.wolfram.com> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1053026641.11547.4.camel@shaunmlx.wolfram.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Message-Id: <1053074285.4939.15.camel@flame-in-night.hq.taurussoft.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 16 May 2003 12:38:06 +0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Ð’ ??, 15.05.2003, в 23:24, Shaun McCance пишет: > On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 13:24, Alexander Larsson wrote: > > * KDE also uses ~/Desktop, and they put some special files in there. We > > need to examine how these interact with Nautilus and how we can avoid > > confusing the user with these files. > > Mac OS X also uses ~/Desktop, which could be an issue for anybody in an > environment where /home is an NFS mount. I know there's not a whole lot > we can do to inter-operate, as Apple probably isn't interested. But it > would be nice to do something intelligent with any weird Apple stuff in > ~/Desktop, even if it's just intelligently ignoring it. > Windows uses "Desktop" dir too. Samba can be configured to store profiles in $HOME, so directory with Windows desktop will be ~/Desktop too. So it would be nice to recognize Windows stuff too. Regards, Dmitry From micke@codefactory.se Fri May 16 05:35:36 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from zzz.mikan.net (zzz.mikan.net [193.15.198.188]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B01C18BCA; Fri, 16 May 2003 05:35:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.0.100] (as9-1-4.hn.g.bonet.se [217.215.47.49]) by zzz.mikan.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 847E612F1D; Fri, 16 May 2003 11:28:32 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Mikael Hallendal To: atai@atai.org Cc: Alexander Larsson , Nautilus , GNOME Desktop Devel , GNOME Hackers In-Reply-To: <20030515183917.25726.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20030515183917.25726.qmail@web10506.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: CodeFactory AB Message-Id: <1053077608.2298.14.camel@scabbers.hallendal.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (1.3.3-2) (Preview Release) Date: 16 May 2003 11:33:29 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: tor 2003-05-15 klockan 20.39 skrev Andy Tai: > This seems to be a large step backwards. The folder > "Desktop" should belong to the user, not a program, or > a desktop environment. If KDE uses it, that should be > wrong to. This discussion has been held several times. I don't know if anything was decided since I quit reading the threads. People will always have different opinions about this issue. In the end, maintainer decides, if you (or anyone else that chooses to make a long thread about this) wanted to make the decision you should have played an active role in the nautilus development. Love to Alex and Dave for taking this ungrateful job of maintaining the module where nothing can be released without getting lots of flames back. You do a great work, keep rocking!! Regards, Mikael Hallendal -- Mikael Hallendal micke@codefactory.se CodeFactory AB http://www.codefactory.se/ Cell: +46 (0)709 718 918 From alan@redhat.com Fri May 16 12:49:25 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA06E18E50; Fri, 16 May 2003 12:49:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from alan@localhost) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) id h4GGnIL00566; Fri, 16 May 2003 12:49:18 -0400 From: Alan Cox Message-Id: <200305161649.h4GGnIL00566@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling To: bordoley@msu.edu (David Adam Bordoley) Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 12:49:18 -0400 (EDT) Cc: micke@codefactory.se (Mikael Hallendal), atai@atai.org, alexl@redhat.com (Alexander Larsson), nautilus-list@gnome.org (Nautilus), desktop-devel-list@gnome.org (GNOME Desktop Devel), gnome-hackers@gnome.org (GNOME Hackers) In-Reply-To: from "David Adam Bordoley" at Mai 16, 2003 10:03:05 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > I want to second this sentiment. I personally disagree with the decision, > but in the end it is the maintainers decision as to what will be > implemented. The length of this thread is obscene. The maints have made a > decision find something else to flame about please. No. The process works because there is review. Because people can point out technical problems and work through them. In this case there are important issues that have come up already - How to ensure the user isnt confused by the folder - What else might clash with it - How to internationalise it - a "desktop" dir means nothing in Chinese - What happens if I change language, do I change desktop along with some answers. If you wish to criticise the authors parentage thats quite different to reviewing the issues that need solving. From hadess@hadess.net Fri May 16 14:10:36 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (mta01-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.41]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A322183DD for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 14:10:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hadess.net ([81.99.181.176]) by mta01-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with SMTP id <20030516181034.MVKL2283.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@hadess.net> for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 19:10:34 +0100 Received: (nullmailer pid 24263 invoked by uid 1000); Fri, 16 May 2003 18:11:29 -0000 Subject: nautilus and mounts From: Bastien Nocera To: Nautilus List Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Message-Id: <1053108688.1705.53.camel@dozo.hadess.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.4 Date: 16 May 2003 19:11:29 +0100 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hello, We were talking with Owen about how to handle new mounts with magicdev. Right now, nautilus doesn't know if a mountable volume has to have a new nautilus window opened. Case 1) I'm inserting a Video DVD, magicdev knows it's a DVD, but not a video one, and needs to mount it to see if it's a video DVD, nautilus shouldn't show a new window because we're going to launch the Video DVD player. Case 2) We have an autorun on the CD. If we're going to autorun it, we probably don't want nautilus to launch a new window as well. So the 2 questions are (paraphrasing Owen on these ones) - how would an app best go about opening a nautilus window if nautilus is already running? - should we nuke the open-new-window code from nautilus and move it to magicdev? Cheers PS: CC: me on the replies please, I'm not on this list -- Bastien Nocera From mandreiana@rdslink.ro Fri May 16 14:26:50 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.rdslink.ro (mail.rdslink.ro [193.231.236.20]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E3F081816D for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 14:26:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 11817 invoked from network); 16 May 2003 18:30:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?81.196.83.211?) (81.196.83.211) by mail.rdslink.ro with SMTP; 16 May 2003 18:30:15 -0000 Subject: $HOME vs. ~/Desktop ( was Re: Major change in desktop handling ) From: Marius Andreiana To: nautilus In-Reply-To: <1053104779.2493.40.camel@dogbert> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1053038958.2492.31.camel@dogbert> <1053059606.7835.25.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> <1053104779.2493.40.camel@dogbert> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Organization: Galuna S.R.L. Message-Id: <1053109715.5383.15.camel@marte.biciclete.ro> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (1.3.3-2) (Preview Release) Date: 16 May 2003 21:28:36 +0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Very good arguments from Mark in favour of $HOME as desktop. I'd like to add it will also remove the big confusion between home and desktop ( gnome file selector, 'Home' icon on desktop which shows the Desktop directory ). Why not make gnome easier to use? This also clears the l10n problem - no folder 'Desktop' at all. Please look (again) at these screenshots: http://evolvedoo.sourceforge.net/abstract/mydesktop.png http://evolvedoo.sourceforge.net/abstract/fileselector.gif http://evolvedoo.sourceforge.net/abstract/file.png All applications now use $HOME as default to save files. You need only 1 double-click to go to the proper place ( Documents, Images... ), rather than going to Desktop/Documents. The biggest problem with $HOME as desktop are other *visible* files. Evolution is moving to .evolution ( that can be done in time for gnome 2.4 ). Other applications with hidden files in home are moving to ~/.etc/ . These are trivial changes. About KDE using ~/Desktop. Both kde and nautilus can be changed to use that or $HOME, but the default is important. Distributions will choose one or another and we'll see which is nicer. On Vi, 2003-05-16 at 20:07, MArk Finlay wrote: > I agree that this argument is not likely to go anywhere so I'm going to > try and make this my last post on the subject. > > On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 05:33, Dave Camp wrote: > > Here's my objection to $HOME-as-the-desktop: > > > > Nautilus' desktop should be a user-managed space. System-managed files > > do not belong on the desktop, even if they are hidden. > > To me this is a non-argument. If you cannot see the files then they are > not going to hurt you in any way. > > > So if you use $HOME as the desktop, you are forcing system-managed files > > to be on the desktop (even if they are hidden by default). This doesn't > > make any sense - if a user turns on 'Show Hidden Files', they don't want > > their desktop cluttered with a bunch of system-managed files. > > Well there is now way of seeing dotfiles on the desktop atm and I don't > see why that would ever change. The only hidden files you would ever > want to view on the desktop are files that are hidden by nautilus > (if/when it gains that functionality). > > > .gnome-desktop was a pain to use as a document directory, because file > > selectors defaulted to $HOME, and you couldn't get to ~/.gnome-desktop > > without knowing where to go and typing it in. Using ~/Desktop improves > > that. Making file selectors default to ~/Desktop will improve it > > further, in keeping with the idea of the desktop as a place for > > user-managed files. > > Yeah, but there are still going to be non-gnome files selectors and the > command line. To me using ~/Desktop for user files seem like a > workaround instead of a solution. Just because the file selector > defaults to ~/Desktop does not negate the fact that we are presenting > the user with both ~/Desktop and $HOME and some applications will use > one and some will use the other. > > You say that $HOME should not be the desktop because it has has > system-managed file in it? Why is this any different from the way we > work now. We have an icon on the desktop that says "home folder", > encouraging users to store their files there, along with the > system-managed files. I don't see how this is any different from $HOME > as desktop, or how it is an argument against it: either way we have a > mix of system and user files, and no-one really minds. > > LAter > > > -- > .--= [ MArk Finlay - sisob ] =--. > > [ Gnome User's Board : www.gnomesupport.org/forums ] > [ Public Key: http://evolvedoo.sf.net/sisobatericomdotnet.asc ] -- Marius Andreiana SoluÅ£ii informatice bazate pe Linux / Linux-based IT solutions www.galuna.ro From dave@ximian.com Fri May 16 14:35:00 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [141.154.95.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E20881869D for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 14:34:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 28697 invoked from network); 16 May 2003 18:34:56 -0000 Received: from dmz.ximian.com (HELO squee.boston.ximian.com) (141.154.95.1) by peabody.ximian.com with RC4-MD5 encrypted SMTP; 16 May 2003 18:34:56 -0000 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Dave Camp To: Alan Cox Cc: "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" , nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1053098752.7841.159.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> References: <200305161521.h4GFLTb07444@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1053098752.7841.159.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Ximian, Inc. Message-Id: <1053110069.7841.362.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (Preview Release) Date: 16 May 2003 14:34:29 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I just checked in a patch to show a desktop emblem on the desktop folder. You need the latest gnome-icon-theme and nautilus. -dave On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 11:25, Dave Camp wrote: > On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 11:21, Alan Cox wrote: > > > If you drag ~/Desktop on to the desktop, you will get a message telling > > > you that you can't move a file into itself. > > > > That is what I was afraid of. How do we make the user understand this > > directory is the desktop. No other directory produces that message so it > > is inconsistent. The two objects also look visually seperate. > > > > Its a problem I've seen with other software so thats why I raise it. > > (Could it have a clearer special icon ?) > > Tigert suggested putting a desktop emblem on ~/Desktop. That might help > with the association. The error message could possibly be more clear in > this case, too. > > -dave > > > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-hackers mailing list > gnome-hackers@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-hackers > From dave@ximian.com Fri May 16 14:46:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [141.154.95.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC0601869F for ; Fri, 16 May 2003 14:46:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 29202 invoked from network); 16 May 2003 18:46:37 -0000 Received: from dmz.ximian.com (HELO squee.boston.ximian.com) (141.154.95.1) by peabody.ximian.com with RC4-MD5 encrypted SMTP; 16 May 2003 18:46:37 -0000 Subject: Re: nautilus and mounts From: Dave Camp To: Bastien Nocera Cc: Nautilus List In-Reply-To: <1053108688.1705.53.camel@dozo.hadess.net> References: <1053108688.1705.53.camel@dozo.hadess.net> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Ximian, Inc. Message-Id: <1053110771.7835.388.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (Preview Release) Date: 16 May 2003 14:46:11 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 14:11, Bastien Nocera wrote: > So the 2 questions are (paraphrasing Owen on these ones) > - how would an app best go about opening a nautilus window if nautilus > is already running? Generally by running 'nautilus ' > > - should we nuke the open-new-window code from nautilus and move it to > magicdev? I'm not a big fan of windows opening when devices are mounted, so this wouldn't really bother me. I kinda think that nautilus windows shouldn't be opened unless the user interacts with nautilus, by clicking the device icon or whatever. -dave From otaylor@redhat.com Fri May 16 16:58:46 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFD531811C; Fri, 16 May 2003 16:58:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from landau.devel.redhat.com (landau.devel.redhat.com [172.16.56.103]) by lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.9.3) with ESMTP id h4GKwkK18451; Fri, 16 May 2003 16:58:46 -0400 Subject: $HOME as desktop From: Owen Taylor Reply-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org To: nautilus-list@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1053118716.32364.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-0) Date: 16 May 2003 16:58:36 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I really hesitate to jump in here, but I think it's worth stating clearly why $HOME as desktop isn't an option: - Upgrades: user upgrades to Red Hat 14.7. Suddenly, they have 531 files on their desktop, many of which don't fit on the screen. Unless they think to "clean up", some of these files may be lost forever because they are way off the screen. I think it's unreasonable to expect users to spend a day cleaning their home directory just because they switched to a new version of GNOME. - We don't control the other software the user runs, we don't control what software they run in the past; you may claim that everybody should change, but that isn't realistic; looking in my home directory. dcc - xchat is broken evolution - evolution is broken nsmail - Netscape 4 was broken several years ago GNUstep - wmaker was broken when I tried to reproduce a bug yesterday Mail - various traditionally unixy things are broken News - Gnus is broken Desktop - KDE is broken You get the picture. If we made $HOME the desktop we force the user to choose between having useless cruft on their desktop and not using other software. - Quality user experience depends on consistency; not just within GNOME, but for all apps. How are Mozilla, and OpenOffice.org, and the Java file selector, and ... going to get the behavior right if GNOME uses ~ and KDE uses Desktop/ ? Perhaps using $HOME is logically right, but practically speaking I can't see how it is even a possibility at all. We need to use ~/Desktop, and we need to spend our ingenuity in making that seem as consistent and robust as possible. Regards, Owen From yoann@prelude-ids.org Fri May 16 17:25:17 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from alph.dyndns.org (unknown [81.220.41.84]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 148AC186EC; Fri, 16 May 2003 17:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alph (alph [127.0.0.1]) by alph.dyndns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C510816911; Fri, 16 May 2003 23:25:17 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: $HOME as desktop From: Yoann Vandoorselaere To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Cc: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1053118716.32364.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1053118716.32364.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-gTv94wnCtPZ+4xfkbyPb" Message-Id: <1053120316.7981.59.camel@alph> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (Preview Release) Date: 16 May 2003 23:25:17 +0200 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-gTv94wnCtPZ+4xfkbyPb Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 22:58, Owen Taylor wrote: > I really hesitate to jump in here, but I think it's > worth stating clearly why $HOME as desktop isn't an=20 > option: >=20 > - Upgrades: user upgrades to Red Hat 14.7. Suddenly, > they have 531 files on their desktop, many of > which don't fit on the screen. Unless they think > to "clean up", some of these files may be lost > forever because they are way off the screen. >=20 > I think it's unreasonable to expect users to=20 > spend a day cleaning their home directory just > because they switched to a new version of GNOME. I'm not really sure what you mean here, but I assume you're talking about a program which would use $HOME as the default behaviour for downloading file. Why would theses files appear in their home directory ? People get used to behavior of the programs they use. People will get used to $HOME as the desktop. And then, when downloading , user will not choose to download it under $HOME. And even if they did, they would notice the increasing number of files showing up in their home directory, and would probably realize they did something wrong. > - We don't control the other software the user > runs, we don't control what software they run > in the past; you may claim that everybody > should change, but that isn't realistic; looking > in my home directory. >=20 > dcc - xchat is broken > evolution - evolution is broken > nsmail - Netscape 4 was broken several years ago > GNUstep - wmaker was broken when I tried to > reproduce a bug yesterday > Mail - various traditionally unixy things are broken > News - Gnus is broken > Desktop - KDE is broken >=20 > You get the picture. If we made $HOME the desktop =20 > we force the user to choose between having useless > cruft on their desktop and not using other software. Maybe the right answer would be to contact the authors of theses program, and to involve them in this discussion. Maybe things would go further that way. Maybe, if after this big discussion, most people agree that programs should not create folder in $HOME (at least if they are not hiden) - and even if some outside programers disagree - Users, by asking the programmers to comply to the standard (or to what the mass think), will make him change is mind. Anyway, I don't believe that the "Everybody is broken, so let's write something borked too" is the good attitude toward solving this problem. > - Quality user experience depends on consistency; > not just within GNOME, but for all apps. How=20 > are Mozilla, and OpenOffice.org, and the=20 > Java file selector, and ... going to get the > behavior right if GNOME uses ~ and KDE uses Desktop/ ? Did any KDE developers commented on this issue ? If not, wouldn't it be a good idea to start discussing the issue with them ? PS:=20 I'm a long time Nautilus user (well, and was involved in the development, a long time ago - until I got out of time).=20 I never tryed the $HOME as desktop configuration option until today. And I love it, and feel it much more "natural" than the current default behavior (be it .gnome-desktop or Desktop. Except that I'd tend to think Desktop is _even more_ broken). Anyway, just my 0.002 cents. =20 --=20 Yoann Vandoorselaere, http://www.prelude-ids.org "Programming is a race between programmers, who try and make more and=20 more idiot-proof software, and universe, which produces more and more=20 remarkable idiots. Until now, universe leads the race" -- R. Cook --=-gTv94wnCtPZ+4xfkbyPb Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQA+xVc84tfUv0C+vv8RAlLuAJ9Ss98QmqPJ5fKuuFeztbX7TfnV3QCgxt8I FJRiciLSzFRKuNv/VAO+M3o= =CrgC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-gTv94wnCtPZ+4xfkbyPb-- From otaylor@redhat.com Fri May 16 17:56:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F49018EAA; Fri, 16 May 2003 17:56:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from landau.devel.redhat.com (landau.devel.redhat.com [172.16.56.103]) by lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.9.3) with ESMTP id h4GLuKK24386; Fri, 16 May 2003 17:56:20 -0400 Subject: Re: $HOME as desktop From: Owen Taylor To: Yoann Vandoorselaere Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1053120316.7981.59.camel@alph> References: <1053118716.32364.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1053120316.7981.59.camel@alph> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1053122169.32364.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-0) Date: 16 May 2003 17:56:10 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 17:25, Yoann Vandoorselaere wrote: > On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 22:58, Owen Taylor wrote: > > I really hesitate to jump in here, but I think it's > > worth stating clearly why $HOME as desktop isn't an > > option: > > > > - Upgrades: user upgrades to Red Hat 14.7. Suddenly, > > they have 531 files on their desktop, many of > > which don't fit on the screen. Unless they think > > to "clean up", some of these files may be lost > > forever because they are way off the screen. > > > > I think it's unreasonable to expect users to > > spend a day cleaning their home directory just > > because they switched to a new version of GNOME. > > I'm not really sure what you mean here, but I assume you're talking > about a program which would use $HOME as the default behaviour for > downloading file. > > Why would theses files appear in their home directory ? People get used > to behavior of the programs they use. People will get used to $HOME as > the desktop. And then, when downloading here/>, user will not choose to download it under $HOME. > > And even if they did, they would notice the increasing number of files > showing up in their home directory, and would probably realize they did > something wrong. I'm saying, that Linux has somewhere on the order of a million people using it on the desktop currently. I'd be pretty sure that most of those people have a large number of files in their home directory. We have to have a plan to deal with those people upgrading to new versions of GNOME. > > - We don't control the other software the user > > runs, we don't control what software they run > > in the past; you may claim that everybody > > should change, but that isn't realistic; looking > > in my home directory. > > > > dcc - xchat is broken > > evolution - evolution is broken > > nsmail - Netscape 4 was broken several years ago > > GNUstep - wmaker was broken when I tried to > > reproduce a bug yesterday > > Mail - various traditionally unixy things are broken > > News - Gnus is broken > > Desktop - KDE is broken > > > > You get the picture. If we made $HOME the desktop > > we force the user to choose between having useless > > cruft on their desktop and not using other software. > > Maybe the right answer would be to contact the authors of theses > program, and to involve them in this discussion. Maybe things would go > further that way. > > Maybe, if after this big discussion, most people agree that programs > should not create folder in $HOME (at least if they are not hiden) - and > even if some outside programers disagree - Users, by asking the > programmers to comply to the standard (or to what the mass think), will > make him change is mind. > > Anyway, I don't believe that the "Everybody is broken, so let's write > something borked too" is the good attitude toward solving this problem. Hmm, using a subdirectory for the Desktop works well enough for everybody else (MacOS/Windows/KDE) that I think it is a *big* stretch to call it broken. What I'm saying is that using $HOME as the desktop is going to cause substantial migration pains for both users and developers for relatively minimal gains. And if there isn't *agreement* in the Linux/Unix desktop community on the subject, than we aren't talking minimal gains, we are talking substantial regressions. > > - Quality user experience depends on consistency; > > not just within GNOME, but for all apps. How > > are Mozilla, and OpenOffice.org, and the > > Java file selector, and ... going to get the > > behavior right if GNOME uses ~ and KDE uses Desktop/ ? > > Did any KDE developers commented on this issue ? If not, wouldn't it be > a good idea to start discussing the issue with them ? I'm not sure that expanding the scope of this discussion is going to be that useful of a step right now... but if you are interested, the first step would probably be to do some research and see if the topic has previously come up in the past. Regards, Owen From pah06@uow.edu.au Sat May 17 03:37:51 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from ziz.its.uow.edu.au (ziz.its.uow.edu.au [130.130.68.16]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19D8F1819E for ; Sat, 17 May 2003 03:37:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ziz (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ziz.its.uow.edu.au (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4H7bn5H004919; Sat, 17 May 2003 17:37:49 +1000 (EST) Received: from inti.its.uow.edu.au ([130.130.37.4]) by ziz.its.uow.edu.au (MailMonitor for SMTP v1.2.2 ) ; Sat, 17 May 2003 17:37:49 +1000 (EST) Received: (from sendmail@localhost) by inti.its.uow.edu.au (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h4H7bmDn008674; Sat, 17 May 2003 17:37:48 +1000 (EST) Received: from 192.168.0.246 (ppp41-as53.uow.net.au[130.130.192.41]) by inti.its.uow.edu.au (UWSMTPD 1.1) with ESMTP id 4581062.8655; Saturday, 17 May 2003 17:37:42 +1000 Subject: Re: nautilus and mounts From: Peter Harvey To: Dave Camp Cc: Nautilus List In-Reply-To: <1053110771.7835.388.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> References: <1053108688.1705.53.camel@dozo.hadess.net> <1053110771.7835.388.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: SITACS, University of Wollongong Message-Id: <1053157058.848.143.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.3 Date: 17 May 2003 17:37:39 +1000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sat, 2003-05-17 at 04:46, Dave Camp wrote: > On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 14:11, Bastien Nocera wrote: > > So the 2 questions are (paraphrasing Owen on these ones) > > - how would an app best go about opening a nautilus window if nautilus > > is already running? > > Generally by running 'nautilus ' > Quick question - shouldn't that be "nautilus --no-desktop ". If nautilus hasn't been started yet (ie. hasn't been started by Gnome), shouldn't it avoid suddenly covering the desktop with a window? I use nautilus with a simple rootless Cygwin XFree86 environment. My X session consists of "metacity &" and "gnome-panel" and find that it's annoying that anytime I try to run nautilus it suddenly covers the "root" with a massive window. > > > > - should we nuke the open-new-window code from nautilus and move it to > > magicdev? > > I'm not a big fan of windows opening when devices are mounted, so this > wouldn't really bother me. I kinda think that nautilus windows > shouldn't be opened unless the user interacts with nautilus, by clicking > the device icon or whatever. > Personally, I agree. Having the icon appear on the desktop is a good enough indication to me that the volume has been mounted and is just a double-click away. On the other hand, if I'm working in a terminal and find that Nautilus suddenly popped up in front of me, it can be quite annoying to move from the keyboard to the mouse to close it. > -dave -- Peter Harvey SITACS, University of Wollongong From rees@netnam.vn Sat May 17 04:15:38 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp.netnam.vn (smtp.netnam.vn [203.162.7.93]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CAB91822B for ; Sat, 17 May 2003 04:15:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netnam.vn (ci75_83.netnam.vn [203.162.75.83] (may be forged)) by smtp.netnam.vn (8.11.7+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4HMHNY13780 for ; Sat, 17 May 2003 15:17:27 -0700 (GMT) Message-ID: <3EC5F06E.5080000@netnam.vn> Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 15:18:54 +0700 From: Darryl Rees User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: $HOME as desktop References: <1053118716.32364.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <1053118716.32364.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Owen Taylor wrote: > dcc - xchat is broken > evolution - evolution is broken > nsmail - Netscape 4 was broken several years ago > GNUstep - wmaker was broken when I tried to > reproduce a bug yesterday > Mail - various traditionally unixy things are broken > News - Gnus is broken > Desktop - KDE is broken > > You get the picture. If we made $HOME the desktop > we force the user to choose between having useless > cruft on their desktop and not using other software. > > You've been pretty exhaustive there and you've only come up with 7 examples, realistically its likely to be one or two for most long-term users. Evolution is changing. KDE is configurable. The argument seems to be it's alright to have a ton of crap in your home directory that you use from shell, but not on your desktop. It's shell centric view of the world. > - Quality user experience depends on consistency; > not just within GNOME, but for all apps. How > are Mozilla, and OpenOffice.org, and the > Java file selector, and ... going to get the > behavior right if GNOME uses ~ and KDE uses Desktop/ ? > > Mozilla, openoffice, java-file selector all use Home. They will have to add a Desktop in future if that's what we standardize on - giving a users a choice they don't really need to make. BTW, having supported a lot of MSWin users I know they 'lose' documents all the time, and accept it as part of working with computers. End-users feel they don't 'understand' where their files go, and where/what the desktop is. I just feel where going down the same path to some extent. >Perhaps using $HOME is logically right, but practically >speaking I can't see how it is even a possibility at >all. We need to use ~/Desktop, and we need to spend our >ingenuity in making that seem as consistent and robust >as possible. > >Regards, > Owen > > Sorry, I'm still convinced $HOME is a better long-term solution, even if ~/Desktop is the short-term path of least resistance. Regards, Long. From lindkvis@stud.ntnu.no Sat May 17 05:15:04 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from flaske.stud.ntnu.no (flaske.stud.ntnu.no [129.241.56.72]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8629418720 for ; Sat, 17 May 2003 05:15:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by flaske.stud.ntnu.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACF0BFFF78; Sat, 17 May 2003 11:15:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from tiger.stud.ntnu.no (tiger.stud.ntnu.no [129.241.56.180]) by flaske.stud.ntnu.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B574FFF49; Sat, 17 May 2003 11:15:03 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 11:15:03 +0200 (CEST) From: Gaute Lindkvist To: Darryl Rees Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: $HOME as desktop In-Reply-To: <3EC5F06E.5080000@netnam.vn> Message-ID: References: <1053118716.32364.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3EC5F06E.5080000@netnam.vn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I also hate to join this discussion but people here seem to assume that if $HOME is desktop, then people "will have to" keep it clean. This is totally untrue. I know loads of people, that have the messiest desktops imaginable on the Windows platform. If we made $HOME the desktop standard, these people will still have the messiest desktops available, but now they have trouble finding ALL of their files, and not just the relatively unimportant "launchers" that can be found on a menu anyway. This is made worse by: 1. The desktop has far less functionality than any normal Nautilus window, and having to open $HOME in a separate desktop window just to work with those files is counter-intuitive. It would also put us firmly and unmovably in the navigation metaphor, which I suspect is not really what some of the people arguing for $HOME wants. 2. The desktop has limited space. Yes, you all know what to do about that, you create sub-directories right? Well, a huge percentage of users just dump everything in one directory. I personally have a very fine directory structure carefully laid out, my girlfriend has Documents, Downloads, Images, but these are all empty, and all the files are in the $HOME-directory. Some people might just feel like they have to delete files to clean up the desktop. Gaute On Sat, 17 May 2003, Darryl Rees wrote: > Owen Taylor wrote: > > > dcc - xchat is broken > > evolution - evolution is broken > > nsmail - Netscape 4 was broken several years ago > > GNUstep - wmaker was broken when I tried to > > reproduce a bug yesterday > > Mail - various traditionally unixy things are broken > > News - Gnus is broken > > Desktop - KDE is broken > > > > You get the picture. If we made $HOME the desktop > > we force the user to choose between having useless > > cruft on their desktop and not using other software. > > > > > You've been pretty exhaustive there and you've only come up with 7 > examples, realistically its likely to be one or two for most long-term > users. Evolution is changing. KDE is configurable. > > The argument seems to be it's alright to have a ton of crap in your home > directory that you use from shell, but not on your desktop. It's shell > centric view of the world. > > > - Quality user experience depends on consistency; > > not just within GNOME, but for all apps. How > > are Mozilla, and OpenOffice.org, and the > > Java file selector, and ... going to get the > > behavior right if GNOME uses ~ and KDE uses Desktop/ ? > > > > > Mozilla, openoffice, java-file selector all use Home. They will have to > add a Desktop in future if that's what we standardize on - giving a > users a choice they don't really need to make. > > BTW, having supported a lot of MSWin users I know they 'lose' documents > all the time, and accept it as part of working with computers. > End-users feel they don't 'understand' where their files go, and > where/what the desktop is. I just feel where going down the same path to > some extent. > > >Perhaps using $HOME is logically right, but practically > >speaking I can't see how it is even a possibility at > >all. We need to use ~/Desktop, and we need to spend our > >ingenuity in making that seem as consistent and robust > >as possible. > > > >Regards, > > Owen > > > > > Sorry, I'm still convinced $HOME is a better long-term solution, even if > ~/Desktop is the short-term path of least resistance. > > Regards, > Long. > > -- > nautilus-list mailing list > nautilus-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/nautilus-list > From rees@netnam.vn Sat May 17 06:04:27 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp.netnam.vn (smtp.netnam.vn [203.162.7.93]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B1EE18738; Sat, 17 May 2003 06:04:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netnam.vn (ci75_63.netnam.vn [203.162.75.63] (may be forged)) by smtp.netnam.vn (8.11.7+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4I05hY23880; Sat, 17 May 2003 17:05:43 -0700 (GMT) Message-ID: <3EC609D8.7000208@netnam.vn> Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 17:07:20 +0700 From: Darryl Rees User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Cc: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: $HOME as desktop References: <1053118716.32364.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <1053118716.32364.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Owen Taylor wrote: >Perhaps using $HOME is logically right, but practically >speaking I can't see how it is even a possibility at >all. We need to use ~/Desktop, and we need to spend our >ingenuity in making that seem as consistent and robust >as possible. > >Regards, > Owen > OK, following that train of thought for the moment... If we use ~/Desktop there are lots of other issues that need to be decided on between Gnome/KDE/Others to get a consistent desktop. Maybe some/all of these have been discussed or resolved, I don't know. - Does "My Documents", "My Pictures", etc belong in $HOME or ~/Desktop? - Do file selectors include a Home as well as a Desktop selector? - Do file selectors default to home or desktop? - Does the file manager default to home or desktop? - Should there be a Home icon on the desktop? - Will Desktop be presented as the root of the Virtual filesystem as it is on windows? Windows has a Desktop which is considered a users' home directory. It is presented as the root object, "My Computer", "My Network Neighbourhood" etc are considered children of Desktop. There is other magic as well, eg. in Win9x to link "My Documents" in c:\ to the Desktop\My Documents. If going for ~/Desktop, I would assume that $HOME will become pretty much deprecated and invisible. ie. ~/Desktop, No, desktop, desktop, no, no idea. Regards, Long. From dave@ximian.com Sat May 17 10:53:48 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [141.154.95.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1899D18277 for ; Sat, 17 May 2003 10:53:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 17492 invoked from network); 17 May 2003 14:53:47 -0000 Received: from dmz.ximian.com (HELO squee.boston.ximian.com) (141.154.95.1) by peabody.ximian.com with RC4-MD5 encrypted SMTP; 17 May 2003 14:53:47 -0000 Subject: Re: nautilus and mounts From: Dave Camp To: Peter Harvey Cc: Nautilus List In-Reply-To: <1053157058.848.143.camel@localhost> References: <1053108688.1705.53.camel@dozo.hadess.net> <1053110771.7835.388.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> <1053157058.848.143.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Ximian, Inc. Message-Id: <1053183201.7842.494.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (Preview Release) Date: 17 May 2003 10:53:21 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sat, 2003-05-17 at 03:37, Peter Harvey wrote: > On Sat, 2003-05-17 at 04:46, Dave Camp wrote: > > On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 14:11, Bastien Nocera wrote: > > > So the 2 questions are (paraphrasing Owen on these ones) > > > - how would an app best go about opening a nautilus window if nautilus > > > is already running? > > > > Generally by running 'nautilus ' > > > > Quick question - shouldn't that be "nautilus --no-desktop ". Yeah, that makes sense. -dave From george@gmsys.com Sat May 17 12:22:08 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from ve7frg.gmsys.com (h24-66-186-212.du.shawcable.net [24.66.186.212]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E963184AE for ; Sat, 17 May 2003 12:22:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ve7frg.gmsys.com (ve7frg.gmsys.com [127.0.0.1]) by ve7frg.gmsys.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h4HGM66F000300 for ; Sat, 17 May 2003 09:22:07 -0700 Received: (from george@localhost) by ve7frg.gmsys.com (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h4HGM56r032766 for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Sat, 17 May 2003 09:22:05 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: ve7frg.gmsys.com: george set sender to george@gmsys.com using -f Subject: Re: $HOME as desktop From: George Farris To: nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <3EC5F06E.5080000@netnam.vn> References: <1053118716.32364.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3EC5F06E.5080000@netnam.vn> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Message-Id: <1053188524.32620.2.camel@ve7frg.gmsys.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-4) Date: 17 May 2003 09:22:04 -0700 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: It's interesting I tried moving back to using .gnome-desktop instead of $HOME and my goodness overall things seem to open quicker. Just right clicking and opening a terminal is easily seconds faster. Very interesting. > -- > George Farris From elle.uca@libero.it Sat May 17 16:07:36 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp0.libero.it (smtp0.libero.it [193.70.192.33]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87ACF18788; Sat, 17 May 2003 16:07:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp-149-173.24-151.libero.it (151.24.173.149) by smtp0.libero.it (7.0.012) id 3E94361200D5D521; Sat, 17 May 2003 22:07:34 +0200 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Luca Ferretti To: Dave Camp Cc: MArk Finlay , Nautilus , GNOME Desktop Hackers , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" In-Reply-To: <1053059606.7835.25.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1053038958.2492.31.camel@dogbert> <1053059606.7835.25.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1053075760.3649.24.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2-3mdk Date: 17 May 2003 22:01:22 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Il ven, 2003-05-16 alle 06:33, Dave Camp ha scritto: > Here's my objection to $HOME-as-the-desktop: > > Nautilus' desktop should be a user-managed space. System-managed files > do not belong on the desktop, even if they are hidden. > > $HOME is the root of the user's writable filesystem. All files owned by > the user must be placed somewhere in $HOME (except for special cases > like tmp files) - there's just nowhere else to put them. > > So if you use $HOME as the desktop, you are forcing system-managed files > to be on the desktop (even if they are hidden by default). This doesn't > make any sense - if a user turns on 'Show Hidden Files', they don't want > their desktop cluttered with a bunch of system-managed files. > mmhhh good point, but IHMO to have a Home icon on desktop and a Desktop folder in Home is a crack too. I mean: I'm sitting in front of computer [1], and anybody said me that I'm looking the desktop. On the desktop I've an Home icon and anybody said me that it's the place of my personal files. I open the Home and... I find a Desktop folder... what's appening... desktop in the home and home in the desktop... I feel a little anxious.... If I open the desktop in home, can I find the home again??? And the desktop again? And so on until... until.... hey I can't stop this! IHMO it's a non-logic way. The desktop is the desktop and you should access to it only from the desktop, don't from a file manager window[2]. If I've to change/add/remove something I don't need to open a window, I can do it directly from desktop. As user the desktop is a 'view of this computer', don't a folder in my home that I can display full screen (BTW: desktop background and ~/Desktop one should be the same... at least in a OO metaphor): I can have on it resources (personal files as Home icon or all files in ~, shared files as mounted devices, preferences, trash...) and stuff that I need/want find immediately. [1] yeah, turn on it, wait, make login, start GNOME before [2] note: I'm speaking about file manager, don't file selector!! -- Think bigger My uncle From kb@bluehash.de Sat May 17 17:55:10 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.medianet-world.de (unknown [213.157.0.162]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D4CA3181E1 for ; Sat, 17 May 2003 17:55:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 23332 invoked from network); 17 May 2003 21:55:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.0.23?) (213.157.9.165) by mail.medianet-world.de with SMTP; 17 May 2003 21:55:08 -0000 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: kb To: Luca Ferretti Cc: Dave Camp , MArk Finlay , Nautilus , GNOME Desktop Hackers , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" In-Reply-To: <1053075760.3649.24.camel@localhost> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1053038958.2492.31.camel@dogbert> <1053059606.7835.25.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> <1053075760.3649.24.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1053208506.3260.34.camel@monkey> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (Preview Release) Date: 17 May 2003 23:55:06 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > > So if you use $HOME as the desktop, you are forcing system-managed files > > to be on the desktop (even if they are hidden by default). This doesn't > > make any sense - if a user turns on 'Show Hidden Files', they don't want > > their desktop cluttered with a bunch of system-managed files. > > mmhhh good point, but IHMO to have a Home icon on desktop and a Desktop > folder in Home is a crack too. > > I mean: I'm sitting in front of computer [1], and anybody said me that > I'm looking the desktop. On the desktop I've an Home icon and anybody > said me that it's the place of my personal files. I open the Home and... > I find a Desktop folder... what's appening... desktop in the home and > home in the desktop... I feel a little anxious.... If I open the desktop > in home, can I find the home again??? And the desktop again? And so on > until... until.... hey I can't stop this! > > IHMO it's a non-logic way. The desktop is the desktop and you should > access to it only from the desktop, don't from a file manager window[2]. > If I've to change/add/remove something I don't need to open a window, I > can do it directly from desktop. > > As user the desktop is a 'view of this computer', don't a folder in my > home that I can display full screen (BTW: desktop background and > ~/Desktop one should be the same... at least in a OO metaphor): I can > have on it resources (personal files as Home icon or all files in ~, > shared files as mounted devices, preferences, trash...) and stuff that I > need/want find immediately. Good spoken. That's exactly, why I want my Desktop hidden in ~/.desktop directory. I have a Desktop where I have stuff to work with. Accessible from my Desktop is everything on my machine. I never got used to the Desktop "as a place for storing my files". I hated that from the very beginning and really rarely done that. And I will _never_ do that, when I'm forced to change to my "Desktop" when using the shell to access files. To me, the Desktop is an _abstract_ place managing the workplace right in front of me. ~/karsten -- Hi, I'm a signature virus. Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread! From snickell@stanford.edu Sat May 17 18:17:37 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp2.Stanford.EDU (smtp2.Stanford.EDU [171.64.14.116]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B60A18307; Sat, 17 May 2003 18:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beauty.Stanford.EDU (beauty.Stanford.EDU [128.12.71.81]) by smtp2.Stanford.EDU (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4HMHXQN022789; Sat, 17 May 2003 15:17:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: $HOME as desktop From: Seth Nickell To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Cc: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1053118716.32364.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1053118716.32364.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1053209847.2015.55.camel@beauty.stanford.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-5) Date: 17 May 2003 15:17:27 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: My thinking on the issue is.... 1) From a clean slate, Desktop and Home should probably be the same thing. 2) As part of a coherent goal for GNOME's deep interaction structures it might be worth making $HOME be the desktop some day. but 3) I think the usability cost of the $HOME transition *in isolation* exceeds the benefits. Basically, I don't think its worth doing for its own sake at this point. -Seth On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 13:58, Owen Taylor wrote: > I really hesitate to jump in here, but I think it's > worth stating clearly why $HOME as desktop isn't an > option: > > - Upgrades: user upgrades to Red Hat 14.7. Suddenly, > they have 531 files on their desktop, many of > which don't fit on the screen. Unless they think > to "clean up", some of these files may be lost > forever because they are way off the screen. > > I think it's unreasonable to expect users to > spend a day cleaning their home directory just > because they switched to a new version of GNOME. > > - We don't control the other software the user > runs, we don't control what software they run > in the past; you may claim that everybody > should change, but that isn't realistic; looking > in my home directory. > > dcc - xchat is broken > evolution - evolution is broken > nsmail - Netscape 4 was broken several years ago > GNUstep - wmaker was broken when I tried to > reproduce a bug yesterday > Mail - various traditionally unixy things are broken > News - Gnus is broken > Desktop - KDE is broken > > You get the picture. If we made $HOME the desktop > we force the user to choose between having useless > cruft on their desktop and not using other software. > > - Quality user experience depends on consistency; > not just within GNOME, but for all apps. How > are Mozilla, and OpenOffice.org, and the > Java file selector, and ... going to get the > behavior right if GNOME uses ~ and KDE uses Desktop/ ? > > Perhaps using $HOME is logically right, but practically > speaking I can't see how it is even a possibility at > all. We need to use ~/Desktop, and we need to spend our > ingenuity in making that seem as consistent and robust > as possible. > > Regards, > Owen > From elle.uca@libero.it Sun May 18 05:17:22 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp3.libero.it (smtp3.libero.it [193.70.192.127]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A5EA18694 for ; Sun, 18 May 2003 05:17:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp-153-170.24-151.libero.it (151.24.170.153) by smtp3.libero.it (7.0.012) id 3EAD4AC500684EE0 for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Sun, 18 May 2003 11:17:21 +0200 Subject: Volume icons and file-selector [ was Major change in desktop handling] From: Luca Ferretti To: Nautilus In-Reply-To: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1053248845.2574.125.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2-3mdk Date: 18 May 2003 11:12:02 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Il gio, 2003-05-15 alle 20:24, Alexander Larsson ha scritto: > The new system works very differently. The desktop icons (trash, home > and volume icons) are all in-memory objects. They are implemented like > "virtual files" and put in the desktop view by some deep magic. This > gets rid of all the problems of the old system, and allows a lot of nice > things. Plus it should be faster. > Are there any abilities to put a link to mounted volume in ~/Desktop directory too? I mean: OK, desktop stuffs are in ~/Desktop directory (I don't agree, but it's ok), so if I want save a file from OpenOffice.org Writer to desktop I can choose the ~/Destkop directory in OOo selector. It's works, It's more simple then ~/.gnome-desktop. Second scenario: I want to save my document in floppy. I mount it using desktop popup menu and the floppy icon appears on desktop. Now I switch to OOo Writer, I choose save as, I see ~/Desktop in OOo file selector and I think "mmhh... floppy icon is on desktop, so if I choose ~/Desktop I can access to floppy"... no, wrong, sorry, you lose, game over. IMHO to have a ~/Desktop/floppy folder/link/whatever when floppy is mounted can help. I don't think it's a logic idea[1], but it's useful. [1] I think desktop is an abstract place, an user's view of computer, don't an ~ visible subfolder. IMHO file selectors should start from desktop too, choosing between home or mounted volumes. This is more logic. Can someone to put this idea somewhere in freedesktop.org and use it in GNOME, KDE, mozilla, OOo and so on? -- Think bigger My uncle From pah06@uow.edu.au Sun May 18 06:07:01 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from beru.its.uow.edu.au (beru.its.uow.edu.au [130.130.68.31]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB68918107 for ; Sun, 18 May 2003 06:07:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beru (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by beru.its.uow.edu.au (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4IA6wkq016250 for ; Sun, 18 May 2003 20:06:58 +1000 (EST) Received: from inti.its.uow.edu.au ([130.130.37.4]) by beru.its.uow.edu.au (MailMonitor for SMTP v1.2.2 ) ; Sun, 18 May 2003 20:06:58 +1000 (EST) Received: (from sendmail@localhost) by inti.its.uow.edu.au (8.12.9/8.12.9) id h4IA6wFh013982 for ; Sun, 18 May 2003 20:06:58 +1000 (EST) Received: from 192.168.0.246 (ppp22-as53.uow.net.au[130.130.192.22]) by inti.its.uow.edu.au (UWSMTPD 1.1) with ESMTP id 4676416.13976; Sunday, 18 May 2003 20:06:56 +1000 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Peter Harvey To: Nautilus List In-Reply-To: <1053100528.18252.7.camel@ve7frg.gmsys.com> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030515163104.H13939@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1053038958.2492.31.camel@dogbert> <20030515220543.A8728@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1053092578.798.7.camel@mingus> <1053093650.31490.15.camel@gabrielle.simovits.com> <1053100528.18252.7.camel@ve7frg.gmsys.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: SITACS, University of Wollongong Message-Id: <1053252412.3604.14.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.3 Date: 18 May 2003 20:06:53 +1000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sat, 2003-05-17 at 01:55, George Farris wrote: > Could an explanation be given why a GConf key wouldn't work, after all > just because we can't foresee a very necessary reason to change the > desktop, doesn't mean it won't appear. > > -- > George Farris One problem I can see with a simple GConf key (and something I mentioned in another fork of this discussion) is that programs are going to require additional programming to handle the case with home-as-desktop. For example, if a user has home-as-desktop then file requesters should have a single button representing Home/Desktop. What should this button be called? "Home" to keep it consistent with UNIX, or "Desktop" to keep it consistent with GUI applications. I'm not an active programmer for anything on Gnome (yet :), so I can't offer more reasons than that. I can't see any really technical reasons for it being a problem. I would suggest that a function be added to some core GNOME lib to fetch the path of the desktop directory from GConf, or return null in the case where home is desktop. This would give a simple way for applications to decide whether to show special access functions for the desktop or not. Still, most of this is a question for the usability guys I think. -- Peter Harvey SITACS, University of Wollongong From dave@ximian.com Sun May 18 13:03:29 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [141.154.95.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3196182DD for ; Sun, 18 May 2003 13:03:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 20400 invoked from network); 18 May 2003 17:03:29 -0000 Received: from dmz.ximian.com (HELO squee.boston.ximian.com) (141.154.95.1) by peabody.ximian.com with RC4-MD5 encrypted SMTP; 18 May 2003 17:03:29 -0000 Subject: Re: desktop icon patch From: Dave Camp To: Alexander Larsson Cc: Nautilus In-Reply-To: <1053023420.30862.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1053023420.30862.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Ximian, Inc. Message-Id: <1053277383.24282.16.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 18 May 2003 13:03:03 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This part of the patch: if (vfs_uri == NULL) { - directory_vfs_uri = NULL; + if (eel_uri_is_desktop (uri) && + strcmp (uri, EEL_DESKTOP_URI) != 0) { + directory_uri = g_strdup (EEL_DESKTOP_URI); + } Broke if x-nautilus-desktop:/// was loaded rather than x-nautilus-desktop:. I just committed this patch: /* Make VFS version of directory URI. */ if (vfs_uri == NULL) { if (eel_uri_is_desktop (uri) && - strcmp (uri, EEL_DESKTOP_URI) != 0) { + !eel_uris_match (uri, EEL_DESKTOP_URI)) { directory_uri = g_strdup (EEL_DESKTOP_URI); } -dave On Thu, 2003-05-15 at 14:30, Alexander Larsson wrote: > Ok, here is the patch with all the desktop changes i talked about in the > last email. If anyone want to look for silly bugs in it, be my guest. > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc > alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se > He's a time-tossed guerilla farmboy for the 21st century. She's a high-kicking > winged mechanic married to the Mob. They fight crime! From alexl@redhat.com Mon May 19 04:33:02 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75D3F18143 for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 04:33:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h4J8Wr506663; Mon, 19 May 2003 04:32:54 -0400 Subject: Re: nautilus and mounts From: Alexander Larsson To: Dave Camp Cc: Bastien Nocera , Nautilus List In-Reply-To: <1053110771.7835.388.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> References: <1053108688.1705.53.camel@dozo.hadess.net> <1053110771.7835.388.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1053333172.11180.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 19 May 2003 10:32:53 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 20:46, Dave Camp wrote: > I'm not a big fan of windows opening when devices are mounted, so this > wouldn't really bother me. I kinda think that nautilus windows > shouldn't be opened unless the user interacts with nautilus, by clicking > the device icon or whatever. I agree. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a notorious gay card sharp on the run. She's a vivacious thirtysomething advertising executive who dreams of becoming Elvis. They fight crime! From alexl@redhat.com Mon May 19 04:40:09 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D7B7184FB for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 04:40:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h4J8e6507939; Mon, 19 May 2003 04:40:06 -0400 Subject: Re: Sharing the spinner with icon theme From: Alexander Larsson To: Marco Pesenti Gritti Cc: Nautilus In-Reply-To: <1053286099.900.36.camel@balurdi> References: <1053286099.900.36.camel@balurdi> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1053333605.11180.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 19 May 2003 10:40:06 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sun, 2003-05-18 at 21:28, Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: > I'd like to know if it would be possible to share the spinner (throbber) > between nautilus and epiphany. > Using the gnome icon theme would seem like the right way to do it, with > the advantage to make it themable too. > Current implementation doesnt use a single animation though, but a set > of images. > Would make sense to change it to use an animated gif instead ? > Possible problems: > > - Legal problems. The GIF patents are expired, so I think this should > not be an issue. > - The quality of gifs is limited to 256 colors. I've been able to > convert the default spinner without apparent lose of quality though. > http://mpgritti.oltrelinux.com/spinner.gif > So it seem to be possible to build nice spinners also with only 256 > colors (and anyway, without using icon theme, they would not be themable > at all) > - The icon theme specification apparently doesnt support gif > "The image files must be one of the types: PNG, XPM, or SVG" > Is it intended ? Yes, this is intended, to allow implementations that don't have to implement old broken file formats. The way kde handles this is by having a large icon with all the frames on a grid. That would work fine for us too. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a fast talking playboy messiah from a doomed world. 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From r.burton@180sw.com Mon May 19 05:51:39 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow053o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.96]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0513188E5 for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 05:51:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gallahad.180sw.com ([62.30.118.71]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Mon, 19 May 2003 10:54:29 +0100 Received: from carados.180sw.com (unknown [192.168.1.28]) by gallahad.180sw.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2646CFF189; Mon, 19 May 2003 10:52:00 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Sharing the spinner with icon theme From: Ross Burton To: Marco Pesenti Gritti , Nautilus Cc: Alexander Larsson In-Reply-To: <1053333605.11180.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1053286099.900.36.camel@balurdi> <1053333605.11180.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-PwYyM03VoQ8XHzfd5t84" Organization: OneEighty Software Ltd. Message-Id: <1053338240.10902.4.camel@carados.180sw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-5) Date: 19 May 2003 10:57:20 +0100 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-PwYyM03VoQ8XHzfd5t84 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2003-05-19 at 09:40, Alexander Larsson wrote: > > Current implementation doesnt use a single animation though, but a set > > of images. > > Would make sense to change it to use an animated gif instead ? There is also MNG, the animated brother of PNG... Ross --=20 Ross Burton Software Engineer OneEighty Software Ltd Tel: +44 20 8680 8712 Cygnet House Fax: +44 20 8680 8453 12-14 Sydenham Road r.burton@180sw.com Croydon, Surrey CR9 2ET, UK http://www.180sw.com./ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Under the Regulation of Investigatory Powers (RIP) Act 2000 together with any and all Regulations in force pursuant to the Act OneEighty Software Ltd reserves the right to monitor any or all incoming or outgoing communications as provided for under the Act --=-PwYyM03VoQ8XHzfd5t84 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQA+yKp/9jD8Pg92xmYRAnUtAKCAS3TafIM/VrlZYqhtmf+mlZ57ZwCfcORu X7Ek75wHoRKHdcV4ZYvKjKM= =c5h+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-PwYyM03VoQ8XHzfd5t84-- From rene@seindal.dk Mon May 19 06:17:22 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from www.mtp.dk (alenius.mustusc.ku.dk [192.38.105.218]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99AE81881F for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 06:17:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by www.mtp.dk (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0C72E2DE13; Mon, 19 May 2003 12:17:23 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 12:17:23 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9?= Seindal To: Nautilus Subject: Scrips and working directory Message-ID: <20030519101723.GG26674@seindal.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.28i Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, I have just installed gnome2 (on Debian testing with packages from unstable), and I have noticed something that strikes me as slightly inexpedient. When I run a script from the nautilus script menu, it always runs in my home directory, not in the directory I am viewing. Wouldn't it be more natural if the program ran in the directory I am viewing? Also, the command line arguments to the script are just the filenames, without the path, so they are rather useless when the script might run in another directory. It's Gnome 2.2, nautilus 2.2.3.1-1 (debian package version). I have desktop == $HOME if that matters. -- René Seindal (rene@seindal.dk) http://sights.seindal.dk/ From dave@ximian.com Mon May 19 06:19:12 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [141.154.95.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 132431881F for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 06:19:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 32666 invoked from network); 19 May 2003 10:19:10 -0000 Received: from dmz.ximian.com (HELO squee.boston.ximian.com) (141.154.95.1) by peabody.ximian.com with RC4-MD5 encrypted SMTP; 19 May 2003 10:19:10 -0000 Subject: Re: Scrips and working directory From: Dave Camp To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9?= Seindal Cc: Nautilus In-Reply-To: <20030519101723.GG26674@seindal.dk> References: <20030519101723.GG26674@seindal.dk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Organization: Ximian, Inc. Message-Id: <1053339524.14547.0.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 19 May 2003 06:18:44 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is fixed in 2.2.4. -dave On Mon, 2003-05-19 at 06:17, René Seindal wrote: > Hi, > > I have just installed gnome2 (on Debian testing with packages from > unstable), and I have noticed something that strikes me as slightly > inexpedient. When I run a script from the nautilus script menu, it > always runs in my home directory, not in the directory I am viewing. > Wouldn't it be more natural if the program ran in the directory I am > viewing? > > Also, the command line arguments to the script are just the filenames, > without the path, so they are rather useless when the script might run > in another directory. > > It's Gnome 2.2, nautilus 2.2.3.1-1 (debian package version). > > I have desktop == $HOME if that matters. > > -- > René Seindal (rene@seindal.dk) http://sights.seindal.dk/ From alexl@redhat.com Mon May 19 06:31:46 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF31318535 for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 06:31:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h4JAVf527118; Mon, 19 May 2003 06:31:41 -0400 Subject: Re: Sharing the spinner with icon theme From: Alexander Larsson To: Ross Burton Cc: Marco Pesenti Gritti , Nautilus In-Reply-To: <1053338240.10902.4.camel@carados.180sw.com> References: <1053286099.900.36.camel@balurdi> <1053333605.11180.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1053338240.10902.4.camel@carados.180sw.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1053340300.11180.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 19 May 2003 12:31:41 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Mon, 2003-05-19 at 11:57, Ross Burton wrote: > On Mon, 2003-05-19 at 09:40, Alexander Larsson wrote: > > > Current implementation doesnt use a single animation though, but a set > > > of images. > > > Would make sense to change it to use an animated gif instead ? > > There is also MNG, the animated brother of PNG... Also known as the supermegabloated over-featured mega-format MNG. :) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a scarfaced small-town librarian with a robot buddy named Sparky. She's a plucky green-skinned opera singer with a flame-thrower. They fight crime! From calum.benson@sun.com Mon May 19 07:25:43 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 186461889D for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 07:25:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM ([129.156.220.69]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4JBPfsa011471 for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 05:25:42 -0600 (MDT) Received: from simcity (simcity [129.156.238.57]) by dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM (8.11.7+Sun/8.10.2/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id h4JBPeh03253 for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 12:25:40 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: $HOME as desktop From: Calum Benson To: nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <3EC5F06E.5080000@netnam.vn> References: <1053118716.32364.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3EC5F06E.5080000@netnam.vn> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Sun Microsystems Ireland Ltd Message-Id: <1053343512.4649.41.camel@simcity> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.4.99 Date: 19 May 2003 12:25:39 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sat, 2003-05-17 at 09:18, Darryl Rees wrote: > BTW, having supported a lot of MSWin users I know they 'lose' documents > all the time, and accept it as part of working with computers. > End-users feel they don't 'understand' where their files go, and > where/what the desktop is. I feel their pain, I often lose documents on Windows too :) However, that's largely because the default place to save documents on Windows is the "My Documents" folder, not the "Desktop" folder... and some apps are pretty bullish about saving stuff there even if you saved it somewhere else the last time :/ On the Mac, the default place to save stuff is the Desktop folder, so when you save a document it instantly appears on your desktop. I don't know if that's part of the plan for migrating everyone to the ~/Desktop model, but I've never lost a document on the Mac yet... Cheeri, Calum. -- CALUM BENSON, Usability Engineer Sun Microsystems Ireland mailto:calum.benson@sun.com GNOME Desktop Group http://ie.sun.com +353 1 819 9771 Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Sun Microsystems From calum.benson@sun.com Mon May 19 07:34:14 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AA1E188D1 for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 07:34:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM ([129.156.220.69]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4JBYCsa015086 for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 05:34:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from simcity (simcity [129.156.238.57]) by dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM (8.11.7+Sun/8.10.2/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id h4JBYBh05232 for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 12:34:11 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Volume icons and file-selector [ was Major change in desktop handling] From: Calum Benson To: Nautilus In-Reply-To: <1053248845.2574.125.camel@localhost> References: <1053023072.30862.56.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1053248845.2574.125.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Sun Microsystems Ireland Ltd Message-Id: <1053344022.4649.47.camel@simcity> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.4.99 Date: 19 May 2003 12:34:10 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sun, 2003-05-18 at 10:12, Luca Ferretti wrote: > Are there any abilities to put a link to mounted volume in ~/Desktop > directory too? This is certainly how it works on Windows, so anyone switching over from that will be somewhat confused (and/or annoyed) if they can't do this. (I've added links to all my drives on my Windows Desktop, since you're not given any by default-- and they all appear in my Desktop folder and work just like I'd expect them to.) Cheeri, Calum. -- CALUM BENSON, Usability Engineer Sun Microsystems Ireland mailto:calum.benson@sun.com GNOME Desktop Group http://ie.sun.com +353 1 819 9771 Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Sun Microsystems From hp@redhat.com Mon May 19 12:06:30 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DB6518A2B for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 12:06:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from hp@localhost) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) id h4JG6QG19507; Mon, 19 May 2003 12:06:26 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 12:06:26 -0400 From: Havoc Pennington To: Alexander Larsson Cc: Ross Burton , Marco Pesenti Gritti , Nautilus Subject: Re: Sharing the spinner with icon theme Message-ID: <20030519120626.B16744@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1053286099.900.36.camel@balurdi> <1053333605.11180.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1053338240.10902.4.camel@carados.180sw.com> <1053340300.11180.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <1053340300.11180.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Mon, May 19, 2003 at 12:31:41PM +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote: > On Mon, 2003-05-19 at 11:57, Ross Burton wrote: > > On Mon, 2003-05-19 at 09:40, Alexander Larsson wrote: > > > > Current implementation doesnt use a single animation though, but a set > > > > of images. > > > > Would make sense to change it to use an animated gif instead ? > > > > There is also MNG, the animated brother of PNG... > > Also known as the supermegabloated over-featured mega-format MNG. :) > Not to mention that the libmng API isn't right and won't work for a gdk-pixbuf backend... Havoc From r.burton@180sw.com Mon May 19 12:12:15 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow058o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.98]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EA0E18A78 for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 12:12:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gallahad.180sw.com ([62.30.118.71]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Mon, 19 May 2003 17:12:15 +0100 Received: from carados.180sw.com (unknown [192.168.1.28]) by gallahad.180sw.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30164FFC14 for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 17:12:52 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Sharing the spinner with icon theme From: Ross Burton To: Nautilus In-Reply-To: <20030519120626.B16744@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1053286099.900.36.camel@balurdi> <1053333605.11180.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1053338240.10902.4.camel@carados.180sw.com> <1053340300.11180.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20030519120626.B16744@devserv.devel.redhat.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-yanJIF2B9uxYaMvfuUfh" Organization: OneEighty Software Ltd. Message-Id: <1053361092.14706.22.camel@carados.180sw.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (Preview Release) Date: 19 May 2003 17:18:12 +0100 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-yanJIF2B9uxYaMvfuUfh Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2003-05-19 at 17:06, Havoc Pennington wrote: > > > There is also MNG, the animated brother of PNG... > > Also known as the supermegabloated over-featured mega-format MNG. :) > Not to mention that the libmng API isn't right and won't work for=20 > a gdk-pixbuf backend... Well, it was just an idea... :) Ross --=20 Ross Burton Software Engineer OneEighty Software Ltd Tel: +44 20 8680 8712 Cygnet House Fax: +44 20 8680 8453 12-14 Sydenham Road r.burton@180sw.com Croydon, Surrey CR9 2ET, UK http://www.180sw.com./ =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Under the Regulation of Investigatory Powers (RIP) Act 2000 together with any and all Regulations in force pursuant to the Act OneEighty Software Ltd reserves the right to monitor any or all incoming or outgoing communications as provided for under the Act --=-yanJIF2B9uxYaMvfuUfh Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQA+yQPD9jD8Pg92xmYRAsQuAJ9K0nZHkiRzhT7z5RFtbdxjn+bBPACeOFcK lhZkI+3Cr1UKXyvWUeczdHk= =yC8N -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-yanJIF2B9uxYaMvfuUfh-- From alexl@redhat.com Thu May 15 14:30:24 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F2A71826C for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 14:30:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h4FIUL501131 for ; Thu, 15 May 2003 14:30:22 -0400 Subject: desktop icon patch From: Alexander Larsson To: Nautilus Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-PwzCvansxjCM0d7lyMUQ" Message-Id: <1053023420.30862.59.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 15 May 2003 20:30:21 +0200 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-PwzCvansxjCM0d7lyMUQ Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok, here is the patch with all the desktop changes i talked about in the last email. If anyone want to look for silly bugs in it, be my guest. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a time-tossed guerilla farmboy for the 21st century. She's a high-kicking winged mechanic married to the Mob. They fight crime! --=-PwzCvansxjCM0d7lyMUQ Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=nautilus-desktop-icons.patch Content-Type: text/x-patch; name=nautilus-desktop-icons.patch; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Index: ChangeLog =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/ChangeLog,v retrieving revision 1.5805 diff -u -p -r1.5805 ChangeLog --- ChangeLog 14 May 2003 15:24:28 -0000 1.5805 +++ ChangeLog 15 May 2003 17:08:04 -0000 @@ -1,3 +1,126 @@ +2003-05-15 Alexander Larsson + + * libnautilus-private/Makefile.am: + Added new files. + + * libnautilus-private/apps_nautilus_preferences.schemas.in: + * libnautilus-private/nautilus-global-preferences.[ch]: + New prefs for home and trash links. + + * libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-directory.[ch]: + New files. Implements the NautilusDesktop object for the + virtual x-nautilus-desktop: uri. The directory merges the contents + of the directory with the real desktop directory. + + * libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-directory-file.[ch]: + New files. Implements the Nautilusfile corresponding to + NautilusDestkopDirectory. + + * libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-icon-file.[ch]: + New files. + Implement NautilusFile for a virtual file in a NautilusDesktopDirectory. + Gets all the actual file data from a NautilusDesktopLink. + + * libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-link-monitor.[ch]: + New files. + Keep track of home and trash visibility prefs and mounted volumes and + create/destroy corresponding NautilusDesktopLink object. + + * libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-link.[ch]: + New files. + Keeps track of all the real information in a desktop icon link. + These are home, trash and volume links at the moment. + + * libnautilus-private/nautilus-directory-async.c: + Indentation correction. + + * libnautilus-private/nautilus-directory.c: + (nautilus_directory_new): + Create NautilusDesktopDirectory objects for x-nautilus-desktop: uris + + * libnautilus-private/nautilus-dnd.c: (nautilus_drag_items_local): + Handle NULL GnomeVFSURIs. + (nautilus_drag_items_on_desktop): New function to check if items + are on the desktop. + (nautilus_drag_default_drop_action_for_icons): + Special case desktop uris. + (nautilus_drag_selection_includes_special_link): + Convert from old-style special links to current. + + * libnautilus-private/nautilus-dnd.h: + New function nautilus_drag_items_on_desktop. + + * libnautilus-private/nautilus-file-operations.c: + (is_special_link), (nautilus_file_operations_copy_move): + Convert from old-style special links to current. + (nautilus_file_operations_delete): + Special case desktop links + + * libnautilus-private/nautilus-file-utilities.[ch]: + (nautilus_get_desktop_directory): + (nautilus_get_gmc_desktop_directory): + Change desktop dir to ~/Desktop + (nautilus_get_desktop_directory_uri): + New function to return desktop dir as a uri. + + + * libnautilus-private/nautilus-file.c: + (nautilus_file_new_from_relative_uri), + (nautilus_file_get_internal): + Handle creation of desktop icon files. + (nautilus_file_can_rename), (rename_guts), + (nautilus_file_get_drop_target_uri): + Update for new special links. + (nautilus_file_is_in_desktop): + Update for new desktop dir. + (nautilus_file_get_uri): + Fix uris for self owned files. This changed due to + the new canonicalization rules for foo: + + + * libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-dnd.c: + (nautilus_icon_container_selection_items_local), + (handle_nonlocal_move): + Handle desktop uri. + + * src/Nautilus_shell.server.in: + icon view handles x-nautilus-desktop: uris + + * src/nautilus-application.c: (finish_startup): + Initialize the desktop link monitor + + * src/nautilus-desktop-window.c: + (nautilus_desktop_window_update_directory): + Show x-nautilus-desktop: + + * src/file-manager/fm-desktop-icon-view.c: + (fm_desktop_icon_view_finalize), (fm_desktop_icon_view_init), + (volume_ops_callback), (trash_link_is_selection), + (volume_link_is_selection), (volume_link_device_type), + (real_supports_zooming): + + * src/file-manager/fm-directory-view.c: + Remove lots of old support for desktop icon. + Reimplement some of it with the new desktop icon support. + + * src/file-manager/fm-directory-view.h: + New function fm_directory_view_get_backing_uri + + * src/file-manager/fm-icon-container.c: + (fm_icon_container_get_icon_text): + Don't show extra text for desktop icons + (get_sort_category): Update for new desktop icons + + * src/file-manager/fm-icon-view.c: (icon_view_handle_uri_list): + Use get_backing_uri() + + * src/file-manager/fm-properties-window.c: (get_target_file): + Use the new desktop icon support. + + * libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-container.c: + (lay_down_icons_tblr): + Don't loop forever if icon doesn't in the height of the container. + 2003-05-14 Gaute Lindkvist * libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-canvas-item.c Index: libnautilus-private/Makefile.am =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/libnautilus-private/Makefile.am,v retrieving revision 1.229 diff -u -p -r1.229 Makefile.am --- libnautilus-private/Makefile.am 3 May 2003 05:10:53 -0000 1.229 +++ libnautilus-private/Makefile.am 15 May 2003 17:08:04 -0000 @@ -56,6 +56,16 @@ libnautilus_private_la_SOURCES = \ nautilus-customization-data.h \ nautilus-default-file-icon.c \ nautilus-default-file-icon.h \ + nautilus-desktop-directory.c \ + nautilus-desktop-directory.h \ + nautilus-desktop-directory-file.c \ + nautilus-desktop-directory-file.h \ + nautilus-desktop-icon-file.c \ + nautilus-desktop-icon-file.h \ + nautilus-desktop-link.c \ + nautilus-desktop-link.h \ + nautilus-desktop-link-monitor.c \ + nautilus-desktop-link-monitor.h \ nautilus-directory-async.c \ nautilus-directory-background.c \ nautilus-directory-background.h \ Index: libnautilus-private/apps_nautilus_preferences.schemas.in =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/libnautilus-private/apps_nautilus_preferences.schemas.in,v retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -p -r1.2 apps_nautilus_preferences.schemas.in --- libnautilus-private/apps_nautilus_preferences.schemas.in 5 May 2003 13:32:54 -0000 1.2 +++ libnautilus-private/apps_nautilus_preferences.schemas.in 15 May 2003 17:08:04 -0000 @@ -700,6 +700,64 @@ - + + + /schemas/apps/nautilus/desktop/home_icon_visible + /apps/nautilus/desktop/home_icon_visible + nautilus + bool + true + + Home icon visible on desktop + + If this is set to true, an icon linking to the home directory + will be put on the desktop. + + + + + + /schemas/apps/nautilus/desktop/trash_icon_visible + /apps/nautilus/desktop/trash_icon_visible + nautilus + bool + true + + Trash icon visible on desktop + + If this is set to true, an icon linking to the trash + will be put on the desktop. + + + + + + /schemas/apps/nautilus/desktop/home_icon_name + /apps/nautilus/desktop/home_icon_name + nautilus + string + + Desktop home icon name + + This name can be set if you want a custom name + for the home link icon on the desktop. + + + + + + /schemas/apps/nautilus/desktop/trash_icon_name + /apps/nautilus/desktop/trash_icon_name + nautilus + string + + Desktop trash icon name + + This name can be set if you want a custom name + for the trash icon on the desktop. + + + + Index: libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-directory-file.c =================================================================== RCS file: libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-directory-file.c diff -N libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-directory-file.c --- /dev/null 1 Jan 1970 00:00:00 -0000 +++ libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-directory-file.c 15 May 2003 17:08:04 -0000 @@ -0,0 +1,549 @@ +/* -*- Mode: C; indent-tabs-mode: t; c-basic-offset: 8; tab-width: 8 -*- + + nautilus-desktop-directory-file.c: Subclass of NautilusFile to help implement the + virtual desktop. + + Copyright (C) 2003 Red Hat, Inc. + + This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or + modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as + published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the + License, or (at your option) any later version. + + This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, + but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of + MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU + General Public License for more details. + + You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public + License along with this program; if not, write to the + Free Software Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, + Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA. + + Author: Alexander Larsson +*/ + +#include +#include "nautilus-desktop-directory-file.h" + +#include "nautilus-directory-notify.h" +#include "nautilus-directory-private.h" +#include "nautilus-file-attributes.h" +#include "nautilus-file-private.h" +#include "nautilus-file-utilities.h" +#include +#include +#include "nautilus-desktop-directory.h" +#include +#include +#include + +struct NautilusDesktopDirectoryFileDetails { + NautilusDesktopDirectory *desktop_directory; + + NautilusFile *real_dir_file; + + GHashTable *callbacks; + GHashTable *monitors; +}; + +typedef struct { + NautilusDesktopDirectoryFile *desktop_file; + NautilusFileCallback callback; + gpointer callback_data; + + NautilusFileAttributes delegated_attributes; + NautilusFileAttributes non_delegated_attributes; + + GList *non_ready_files; + + gboolean initializing; +} DesktopCallback; + +typedef struct { + NautilusDesktopDirectoryFile *desktop_file; + + NautilusFileAttributes delegated_attributes; + NautilusFileAttributes non_delegated_attributes; +} DesktopMonitor; + + +static void nautilus_desktop_directory_file_init (gpointer object, + gpointer klass); +static void nautilus_desktop_directory_file_class_init (gpointer klass); + +EEL_CLASS_BOILERPLATE (NautilusDesktopDirectoryFile, + nautilus_desktop_directory_file, + NAUTILUS_TYPE_FILE) + +static guint +desktop_callback_hash (gconstpointer desktop_callback_as_pointer) +{ + const DesktopCallback *desktop_callback; + + desktop_callback = desktop_callback_as_pointer; + return GPOINTER_TO_UINT (desktop_callback->callback) + ^ GPOINTER_TO_UINT (desktop_callback->callback_data); +} + +static gboolean +desktop_callback_equal (gconstpointer desktop_callback_as_pointer, + gconstpointer desktop_callback_as_pointer_2) +{ + const DesktopCallback *desktop_callback, *desktop_callback_2; + + desktop_callback = desktop_callback_as_pointer; + desktop_callback_2 = desktop_callback_as_pointer_2; + + return desktop_callback->callback == desktop_callback_2->callback + && desktop_callback->callback_data == desktop_callback_2->callback_data; +} + + +static void +real_file_changed_callback (NautilusFile *real_file, + gpointer callback_data) +{ + NautilusDesktopDirectoryFile *desktop_file; + + desktop_file = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_FILE (callback_data); + nautilus_file_changed (NAUTILUS_FILE (desktop_file)); +} + +static NautilusFileAttributes +get_delegated_attributes_mask (void) +{ + return NAUTILUS_FILE_ATTRIBUTE_DEEP_COUNTS | + NAUTILUS_FILE_ATTRIBUTE_DIRECTORY_ITEM_COUNT | + NAUTILUS_FILE_ATTRIBUTE_DIRECTORY_ITEM_MIME_TYPES; +} + +static void +partition_attributes (NautilusFileAttributes attributes, + NautilusFileAttributes *delegated_attributes, + NautilusFileAttributes *non_delegated_attributes) +{ + NautilusFileAttributes mask; + + mask = get_delegated_attributes_mask (); + + *delegated_attributes = attributes & mask; + *non_delegated_attributes = attributes & ~mask; +} + +static void +desktop_directory_file_monitor_add (NautilusFile *file, + gconstpointer client, + NautilusFileAttributes attributes) +{ + NautilusDesktopDirectoryFile *desktop_file; + DesktopMonitor *monitor; + + desktop_file = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_FILE (file); + + /* Map the client to a unique value so this doesn't interfere + * with direct monitoring of the file by the same client. + */ + monitor = g_hash_table_lookup (desktop_file->details->monitors, client); + if (monitor != NULL) { + g_assert (monitor->desktop_file == desktop_file); + } else { + monitor = g_new0 (DesktopMonitor, 1); + monitor->desktop_file = desktop_file; + g_hash_table_insert (desktop_file->details->monitors, + (gpointer) client, monitor); + } + + partition_attributes (attributes, + &monitor->delegated_attributes, + &monitor->non_delegated_attributes); + + /* Pawn off partioned attributes to real dir file */ + nautilus_file_monitor_add (desktop_file->details->real_dir_file, + monitor, monitor->delegated_attributes); + + /* Do the rest ourself */ + nautilus_directory_monitor_add_internal + (file->details->directory, file, + monitor, TRUE, TRUE, + monitor->non_delegated_attributes, + NULL, NULL); +} + +static void +desktop_directory_file_monitor_remove (NautilusFile *file, + gconstpointer client) +{ + NautilusDesktopDirectoryFile *desktop_file; + DesktopMonitor *monitor; + + desktop_file = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_FILE (file); + + /* Map the client to the value used by the earlier add call. */ + monitor = g_hash_table_lookup (desktop_file->details->monitors, client); + if (monitor == NULL) { + return; + } + + /* Call through to the real file remove calls. */ + g_hash_table_remove (desktop_file->details->monitors, client); + + /* Remove the locally handled parts */ + nautilus_directory_monitor_remove_internal + (file->details->directory, file, client); +} + +static void +desktop_callback_destroy (DesktopCallback *desktop_callback) +{ + g_assert (desktop_callback != NULL); + g_assert (NAUTILUS_IS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_FILE (desktop_callback->desktop_file)); + + nautilus_file_unref (NAUTILUS_FILE (desktop_callback->desktop_file)); + g_list_free (desktop_callback->non_ready_files); + g_free (desktop_callback); +} + +static void +desktop_callback_check_done (DesktopCallback *desktop_callback) +{ + /* Check if we are ready. */ + if (desktop_callback->initializing || + desktop_callback->non_ready_files != NULL) { + return; + } + + /* Remove from the hash table before sending it. */ + g_hash_table_remove (desktop_callback->desktop_file->details->callbacks, + desktop_callback); + + /* We are ready, so do the real callback. */ + (* desktop_callback->callback) (NAUTILUS_FILE (desktop_callback->desktop_file), + desktop_callback->callback_data); + + /* And we are done. */ + desktop_callback_destroy (desktop_callback); +} + +static void +desktop_callback_remove_file (DesktopCallback *desktop_callback, + NautilusFile *file) +{ + desktop_callback->non_ready_files = g_list_remove + (desktop_callback->non_ready_files, file); + desktop_callback_check_done (desktop_callback); +} + +static void +ready_callback (NautilusFile *file, + gpointer callback_data) +{ + DesktopCallback *desktop_callback; + + g_assert (NAUTILUS_IS_FILE (file)); + g_assert (callback_data != NULL); + + desktop_callback = callback_data; + g_assert (g_list_find (desktop_callback->non_ready_files, file) != NULL); + + desktop_callback_remove_file (desktop_callback, file); +} + +static void +desktop_directory_file_call_when_ready (NautilusFile *file, + NautilusFileAttributes attributes, + NautilusFileCallback callback, + gpointer callback_data) + +{ + NautilusDesktopDirectoryFile *desktop_file; + DesktopCallback search_key, *desktop_callback; + + desktop_file = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_FILE (file); + + /* Check to be sure we aren't overwriting. */ + search_key.callback = callback; + search_key.callback_data = callback_data; + if (g_hash_table_lookup (desktop_file->details->callbacks, &search_key) != NULL) { + g_warning ("tried to add a new callback while an old one was pending"); + return; + } + + /* Create a desktop_callback record. */ + desktop_callback = g_new0 (DesktopCallback, 1); + nautilus_file_ref (file); + desktop_callback->desktop_file = desktop_file; + desktop_callback->callback = callback; + desktop_callback->callback_data = callback_data; + desktop_callback->initializing = TRUE; + + partition_attributes (attributes, + &desktop_callback->delegated_attributes, + &desktop_callback->non_delegated_attributes); + + desktop_callback->non_ready_files = g_list_prepend + (desktop_callback->non_ready_files, file); + desktop_callback->non_ready_files = g_list_prepend + (desktop_callback->non_ready_files, desktop_file->details->real_dir_file); + + /* Put it in the hash table. */ + g_hash_table_insert (desktop_file->details->callbacks, + desktop_callback, desktop_callback); + + /* Now connect to each file's call_when_ready. */ + nautilus_directory_call_when_ready_internal + (file->details->directory, file, + desktop_callback->non_delegated_attributes, + FALSE, NULL, ready_callback, desktop_callback); + nautilus_file_call_when_ready + (desktop_file->details->real_dir_file, + desktop_callback->delegated_attributes, + ready_callback, desktop_callback); + + desktop_callback->initializing = FALSE; + + /* Check if any files became read while we were connecting up + * the call_when_ready callbacks (also handles the pathological + * case where there are no files at all). + */ + desktop_callback_check_done (desktop_callback); + +} + +static void +desktop_directory_file_cancel_call_when_ready (NautilusFile *file, + NautilusFileCallback callback, + gpointer callback_data) +{ + NautilusDesktopDirectoryFile *desktop_file; + DesktopCallback search_key, *desktop_callback; + + desktop_file = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_FILE (file); + + /* Find the entry in the table. */ + search_key.callback = callback; + search_key.callback_data = callback_data; + desktop_callback = g_hash_table_lookup (desktop_file->details->callbacks, &search_key); + if (desktop_callback == NULL) { + return; + } + + /* Remove from the hash table before working with it. */ + g_hash_table_remove (desktop_callback->desktop_file->details->callbacks, desktop_callback); + + /* Tell the real directory to cancel the call. */ + nautilus_directory_cancel_callback_internal + (file->details->directory, file, + NULL, ready_callback, desktop_callback); + + nautilus_file_cancel_call_when_ready + (desktop_file->details->real_dir_file, + ready_callback, desktop_callback); + + desktop_callback_destroy (desktop_callback); +} + +static gboolean +real_check_if_ready (NautilusFile *file, + NautilusFileAttributes attributes) +{ + return nautilus_directory_check_if_ready_internal + (file->details->directory, file, + attributes); +} + +static gboolean +desktop_directory_file_check_if_ready (NautilusFile *file, + NautilusFileAttributes attributes) +{ + NautilusFileAttributes delegated_attributes, non_delegated_attributes; + NautilusDesktopDirectoryFile *desktop_file; + + desktop_file = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_FILE (file); + + partition_attributes (attributes, + &delegated_attributes, + &non_delegated_attributes); + + return real_check_if_ready (file, non_delegated_attributes) && + nautilus_file_check_if_ready (desktop_file->details->real_dir_file, + delegated_attributes); +} + +static GnomeVFSFileType +desktop_directory_file_get_file_type (NautilusFile *file) +{ + return GNOME_VFS_FILE_TYPE_DIRECTORY; +} + +static gboolean +desktop_directory_file_get_item_count (NautilusFile *file, + guint *count, + gboolean *count_unreadable) +{ + NautilusDesktopDirectoryFile *desktop_file; + gboolean got_count; + + desktop_file = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_FILE (file); + + got_count = nautilus_file_get_directory_item_count (desktop_file->details->real_dir_file, + count, + count_unreadable); + + if (count) { + *count += g_list_length (file->details->directory->details->file_list); + } + + return got_count; +} + +static NautilusRequestStatus +desktop_directory_file_get_deep_counts (NautilusFile *file, + guint *directory_count, + guint *file_count, + guint *unreadable_directory_count, + GnomeVFSFileSize *total_size) +{ + NautilusDesktopDirectoryFile *desktop_file; + NautilusRequestStatus status; + + desktop_file = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_FILE (file); + + status = nautilus_file_get_deep_counts (desktop_file->details->real_dir_file, + directory_count, + file_count, + unreadable_directory_count, + total_size); + + if (file_count) { + *file_count += g_list_length (file->details->directory->details->file_list); + } + + return status; +} + +static gboolean +desktop_directory_file_get_date (NautilusFile *file, + NautilusDateType date_type, + time_t *date) +{ + NautilusDesktopDirectoryFile *desktop_file; + + desktop_file = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_FILE (file); + + return nautilus_file_get_date (desktop_file->details->real_dir_file, + date_type, + date); +} + +static char * +desktop_directory_file_get_where_string (NautilusFile *file) +{ + return g_strdup (_("on the desktop")); +} + + +static void +monitor_destroy (gpointer data) +{ + DesktopMonitor *monitor = data; + + nautilus_file_monitor_remove + (NAUTILUS_FILE (monitor->desktop_file->details->real_dir_file), monitor); + g_free (monitor); +} + +static void +nautilus_desktop_directory_file_init (gpointer object, gpointer klass) +{ + NautilusDesktopDirectoryFile *desktop_file; + NautilusDesktopDirectory *desktop_directory; + NautilusDirectory *real_dir; + NautilusFile *real_dir_file; + + desktop_file = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_FILE (object); + + desktop_directory = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY (nautilus_directory_get (EEL_DESKTOP_URI)); + + desktop_file->details = g_new0 (NautilusDesktopDirectoryFileDetails, 1); + desktop_file->details->desktop_directory = desktop_directory; + + desktop_file->details->callbacks = g_hash_table_new + (desktop_callback_hash, desktop_callback_equal); + desktop_file->details->monitors = g_hash_table_new_full (NULL, NULL, + NULL, monitor_destroy); + + real_dir = nautilus_desktop_directory_get_real_directory (desktop_directory); + real_dir_file = nautilus_directory_get_corresponding_file (real_dir); + nautilus_directory_unref (real_dir); + + desktop_file->details->real_dir_file = real_dir_file; + + g_signal_connect_object (real_dir_file, "changed", + G_CALLBACK (real_file_changed_callback), desktop_file, 0); +} + + +static void +desktop_callback_remove_file_cover (gpointer key, + gpointer value, + gpointer callback_data) +{ + desktop_callback_remove_file + (value, NAUTILUS_FILE (callback_data)); +} + + +static void +desktop_finalize (GObject *object) +{ + NautilusDesktopDirectoryFile *desktop_file; + NautilusDesktopDirectory *desktop_directory; + + desktop_file = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_FILE (object); + desktop_directory = desktop_file->details->desktop_directory; + + /* Todo: ghash now safe? */ + eel_g_hash_table_safe_for_each + (desktop_file->details->callbacks, + desktop_callback_remove_file_cover, + desktop_file->details->real_dir_file); + + if (g_hash_table_size (desktop_file->details->callbacks) != 0) { + g_warning ("call_when_ready still pending when desktop virtual file is destroyed"); + } + + g_hash_table_destroy (desktop_file->details->callbacks); + g_hash_table_destroy (desktop_file->details->monitors); + + nautilus_file_unref (desktop_file->details->real_dir_file); + + g_free (desktop_file->details); + + nautilus_directory_unref (NAUTILUS_DIRECTORY (desktop_directory)); + + EEL_CALL_PARENT (G_OBJECT_CLASS, finalize, (object)); +} + +static void +nautilus_desktop_directory_file_class_init (gpointer klass) +{ + GObjectClass *object_class; + NautilusFileClass *file_class; + + object_class = G_OBJECT_CLASS (klass); + file_class = NAUTILUS_FILE_CLASS (klass); + + object_class->finalize = desktop_finalize; + + file_class->monitor_add = desktop_directory_file_monitor_add; + file_class->monitor_remove = desktop_directory_file_monitor_remove; + file_class->call_when_ready = desktop_directory_file_call_when_ready; + file_class->cancel_call_when_ready = desktop_directory_file_cancel_call_when_ready; + file_class->check_if_ready = desktop_directory_file_check_if_ready; + file_class->get_file_type = desktop_directory_file_get_file_type; + file_class->get_item_count = desktop_directory_file_get_item_count; + file_class->get_deep_counts = desktop_directory_file_get_deep_counts; + file_class->get_date = desktop_directory_file_get_date; + file_class->get_where_string = desktop_directory_file_get_where_string; +} Index: libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-directory-file.h =================================================================== RCS file: libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-directory-file.h diff -N libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-directory-file.h --- /dev/null 1 Jan 1970 00:00:00 -0000 +++ libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-directory-file.h 15 May 2003 17:08:04 -0000 @@ -0,0 +1,55 @@ +/* -*- Mode: C; indent-tabs-mode: t; c-basic-offset: 8; tab-width: 8 -*- + + nautilus-desktop-directory-file.h: Subclass of NautilusFile to implement the + the case of the desktop directory + + Copyright (C) 2003 Red Hat, Inc. + + This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or + modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as + published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the + License, or (at your option) any later version. + + This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, + but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of + MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU + General Public License for more details. + + You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public + License along with this program; if not, write to the + Free Software Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, + Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA. + + Author: Alexander Larsson +*/ + +#ifndef NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_FILE_H +#define NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_FILE_H + +#include + +#define NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_FILE \ + (nautilus_desktop_directory_file_get_type ()) +#define NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_FILE(obj) \ + (GTK_CHECK_CAST ((obj), NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_FILE, NautilusDesktopDirectoryFile)) +#define NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_FILE_CLASS(klass) \ + (GTK_CHECK_CLASS_CAST ((klass), NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_FILE, NautilusDesktopDirectoryFileClass)) +#define NAUTILUS_IS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_FILE(obj) \ + (GTK_CHECK_TYPE ((obj), NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_FILE)) +#define NAUTILUS_IS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_FILE_CLASS(klass) \ + (GTK_CHECK_CLASS_TYPE ((klass), NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_FILE)) + +typedef struct NautilusDesktopDirectoryFileDetails NautilusDesktopDirectoryFileDetails; + +typedef struct { + NautilusFile parent_slot; + NautilusDesktopDirectoryFileDetails *details; +} NautilusDesktopDirectoryFile; + +typedef struct { + NautilusFileClass parent_slot; +} NautilusDesktopDirectoryFileClass; + +GType nautilus_desktop_directory_file_get_type (void); + +#endif /* NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_FILE_H */ Index: libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-directory.c =================================================================== RCS file: libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-directory.c diff -N libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-directory.c --- /dev/null 1 Jan 1970 00:00:00 -0000 +++ libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-directory.c 15 May 2003 17:08:04 -0000 @@ -0,0 +1,496 @@ +/* -*- Mode: C; indent-tabs-mode: t; c-basic-offset: 8; tab-width: 8 -*- + + nautilus-desktop-directory.c: Subclass of NautilusDirectory to implement + a virtual directory consisting of the desktop directory and the desktop + icons + + Copyright (C) 2003 Red Hat, Inc. + + This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or + modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as + published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the + License, or (at your option) any later version. + + This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, + but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of + MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU + General Public License for more details. + + You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public + License along with this program; if not, write to the + Free Software Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, + Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA. + + Author: Alexander Larsson +*/ + +#include +#include "nautilus-desktop-directory.h" + +#include "nautilus-directory-private.h" +#include "nautilus-file.h" +#include "nautilus-file-private.h" +#include "nautilus-file-utilities.h" +#include +#include +#include +#include + +struct NautilusDesktopDirectoryDetails { + NautilusDirectory *real_directory; + GHashTable *callbacks; + GHashTable *monitors; +}; + +typedef struct { + NautilusDesktopDirectory *desktop_dir; + NautilusDirectoryCallback callback; + gpointer callback_data; + + NautilusFileAttributes wait_for_attributes; + gboolean wait_for_file_list; + + GList *non_ready_directories; + GList *merged_file_list; +} MergedCallback; + + +typedef struct { + NautilusDesktopDirectory *desktop_dir; + + gboolean monitor_hidden_files; + gboolean monitor_backup_files; + NautilusFileAttributes monitor_attributes; +} MergedMonitor; + + +GNOME_CLASS_BOILERPLATE (NautilusDesktopDirectory, nautilus_desktop_directory, + NautilusDirectory, NAUTILUS_TYPE_DIRECTORY) + + +static gboolean +desktop_contains_file (NautilusDirectory *directory, + NautilusFile *file) +{ + NautilusDesktopDirectory *desktop; + + desktop = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY (directory); + + if (nautilus_directory_contains_file (desktop->details->real_directory, file)) { + return TRUE; + } + + return file->details->directory == directory; +} + +static guint +merged_callback_hash (gconstpointer merged_callback_as_pointer) +{ + const MergedCallback *merged_callback; + + merged_callback = merged_callback_as_pointer; + return GPOINTER_TO_UINT (merged_callback->callback) + ^ GPOINTER_TO_UINT (merged_callback->callback_data); +} + +static gboolean +merged_callback_equal (gconstpointer merged_callback_as_pointer, + gconstpointer merged_callback_as_pointer_2) +{ + const MergedCallback *merged_callback, *merged_callback_2; + + merged_callback = merged_callback_as_pointer; + merged_callback_2 = merged_callback_as_pointer_2; + + return merged_callback->callback == merged_callback_2->callback + && merged_callback->callback_data == merged_callback_2->callback_data; +} + +static void +merged_callback_destroy (MergedCallback *merged_callback) +{ + g_assert (merged_callback != NULL); + g_assert (NAUTILUS_IS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY (merged_callback->desktop_dir)); + + g_list_free (merged_callback->non_ready_directories); + nautilus_file_list_free (merged_callback->merged_file_list); + g_free (merged_callback); +} + +static void +merged_callback_check_done (MergedCallback *merged_callback) +{ + /* Check if we are ready. */ + if (merged_callback->non_ready_directories != NULL) { + return; + } + + /* Remove from the hash table before sending it. */ + g_hash_table_steal (merged_callback->desktop_dir->details->callbacks, merged_callback); + + /* We are ready, so do the real callback. */ + (* merged_callback->callback) (NAUTILUS_DIRECTORY (merged_callback->desktop_dir), + merged_callback->merged_file_list, + merged_callback->callback_data); + + /* And we are done. */ + merged_callback_destroy (merged_callback); +} + +static void +merged_callback_remove_directory (MergedCallback *merged_callback, + NautilusDirectory *directory) +{ + merged_callback->non_ready_directories = g_list_remove + (merged_callback->non_ready_directories, directory); + merged_callback_check_done (merged_callback); +} + +static void +directory_ready_callback (NautilusDirectory *directory, + GList *files, + gpointer callback_data) +{ + MergedCallback *merged_callback; + + g_assert (NAUTILUS_IS_DIRECTORY (directory)); + g_assert (callback_data != NULL); + + merged_callback = callback_data; + g_assert (g_list_find (merged_callback->non_ready_directories, directory) != NULL); + + /* Update based on this call. */ + merged_callback->merged_file_list = g_list_concat + (merged_callback->merged_file_list, + nautilus_file_list_copy (files)); + + /* Check if we are ready. */ + merged_callback_remove_directory (merged_callback, directory); +} + +static void +desktop_call_when_ready (NautilusDirectory *directory, + NautilusFileAttributes file_attributes, + gboolean wait_for_file_list, + NautilusDirectoryCallback callback, + gpointer callback_data) +{ + NautilusDesktopDirectory *desktop; + MergedCallback search_key, *merged_callback; + + desktop = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY (directory); + + /* Check to be sure we aren't overwriting. */ + search_key.callback = callback; + search_key.callback_data = callback_data; + if (g_hash_table_lookup (desktop->details->callbacks, &search_key) != NULL) { + g_warning ("tried to add a new callback while an old one was pending"); + return; + } + + /* Create a merged_callback record. */ + merged_callback = g_new0 (MergedCallback, 1); + merged_callback->desktop_dir = desktop; + merged_callback->callback = callback; + merged_callback->callback_data = callback_data; + merged_callback->wait_for_attributes = file_attributes; + merged_callback->wait_for_file_list = wait_for_file_list; + merged_callback->non_ready_directories = g_list_prepend + (merged_callback->non_ready_directories, directory); + merged_callback->non_ready_directories = g_list_prepend + (merged_callback->non_ready_directories, desktop->details->real_directory); + + + merged_callback->merged_file_list = g_list_concat (NULL, + nautilus_file_list_copy (directory->details->file_list)); + + /* Put it in the hash table. */ + g_hash_table_insert (desktop->details->callbacks, + merged_callback, merged_callback); + + /* Now tell all the directories about it. */ + nautilus_directory_call_when_ready + (desktop->details->real_directory, + merged_callback->wait_for_attributes, + merged_callback->wait_for_file_list, + directory_ready_callback, merged_callback); + nautilus_directory_call_when_ready_internal + (directory, + NULL, + merged_callback->wait_for_attributes, + merged_callback->wait_for_file_list, + directory_ready_callback, + NULL, + merged_callback); + +} + +static void +desktop_cancel_callback (NautilusDirectory *directory, + NautilusDirectoryCallback callback, + gpointer callback_data) +{ + NautilusDesktopDirectory *desktop; + MergedCallback search_key, *merged_callback; + GList *node; + + desktop = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY (directory); + + /* Find the entry in the table. */ + search_key.callback = callback; + search_key.callback_data = callback_data; + merged_callback = g_hash_table_lookup (desktop->details->callbacks, &search_key); + if (merged_callback == NULL) { + return; + } + + /* Remove from the hash table before working with it. */ + g_hash_table_steal (merged_callback->desktop_dir->details->callbacks, merged_callback); + + /* Tell all the directories to cancel the call. */ + for (node = merged_callback->non_ready_directories; node != NULL; node = node->next) { + nautilus_directory_cancel_callback + (node->data, + directory_ready_callback, merged_callback); + } + merged_callback_destroy (merged_callback); +} + +static void +merged_monitor_destroy (MergedMonitor *monitor) +{ + NautilusDesktopDirectory *desktop; + + desktop = monitor->desktop_dir; + + /* Call through to the real directory remove calls. */ + nautilus_directory_file_monitor_remove (desktop->details->real_directory, monitor); + + nautilus_directory_monitor_remove_internal (NAUTILUS_DIRECTORY (desktop), NULL, monitor); + + g_free (monitor); +} + +static void +build_merged_callback_list (NautilusDirectory *directory, + GList *file_list, + gpointer callback_data) +{ + GList **merged_list; + + merged_list = callback_data; + *merged_list = g_list_concat (*merged_list, + nautilus_file_list_copy (file_list)); +} + +static void +desktop_monitor_add (NautilusDirectory *directory, + gconstpointer client, + gboolean monitor_hidden_files, + gboolean monitor_backup_files, + NautilusFileAttributes file_attributes, + NautilusDirectoryCallback callback, + gpointer callback_data) +{ + NautilusDesktopDirectory *desktop; + MergedMonitor *monitor; + GList *merged_callback_list; + + desktop = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY (directory); + + /* Map the client to a unique value so this doesn't interfere + * with direct monitoring of the directory by the same client. + */ + monitor = g_hash_table_lookup (desktop->details->monitors, client); + if (monitor != NULL) { + g_assert (monitor->desktop_dir == desktop); + } else { + monitor = g_new0 (MergedMonitor, 1); + monitor->desktop_dir = desktop; + g_hash_table_insert (desktop->details->monitors, + (gpointer) client, monitor); + } + monitor->monitor_hidden_files = monitor_hidden_files; + monitor->monitor_backup_files = monitor_backup_files; + monitor->monitor_attributes = file_attributes; + + /* Call through to the real directory add calls. */ + merged_callback_list = NULL; + + /* Call up to real dir */ + nautilus_directory_file_monitor_add + (desktop->details->real_directory, monitor, + monitor_hidden_files, monitor_backup_files, + file_attributes, + build_merged_callback_list, &merged_callback_list); + + /* Handle the desktop part */ + merged_callback_list = g_list_concat (merged_callback_list, + nautilus_file_list_copy (directory->details->file_list)); + + + if (callback != NULL) { + (* callback) (directory, merged_callback_list, callback_data); + } + nautilus_file_list_free (merged_callback_list); +} + +static void +desktop_monitor_remove (NautilusDirectory *directory, + gconstpointer client) +{ + NautilusDesktopDirectory *desktop; + MergedMonitor *monitor; + + desktop = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY (directory); + + monitor = g_hash_table_lookup (desktop->details->monitors, client); + if (monitor == NULL) { + return; + } + + g_hash_table_remove (desktop->details->monitors, client); +} + +static void +desktop_force_reload (NautilusDirectory *directory) +{ + NautilusDesktopDirectory *desktop; + + desktop = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY (directory); + + nautilus_directory_force_reload (desktop->details->real_directory); + + /* We don't invalidate the files in desktop, since they are always + up to date. (And we don't ever want to mark them invalid.) */ +} + +static gboolean +desktop_are_all_files_seen (NautilusDirectory *directory) +{ + NautilusDesktopDirectory *desktop; + + desktop = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY (directory); + + if (!nautilus_directory_are_all_files_seen (desktop->details->real_directory)) { + return FALSE; + } + + return TRUE; +} + +static gboolean +desktop_is_not_empty (NautilusDirectory *directory) +{ + NautilusDesktopDirectory *desktop; + + desktop = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY (directory); + + if (nautilus_directory_is_not_empty (desktop->details->real_directory)) { + return TRUE; + } + + return directory->details->file_list != NULL; +} + +NautilusDirectory * +nautilus_desktop_directory_get_real_directory (NautilusDesktopDirectory *desktop) +{ + nautilus_directory_ref (desktop->details->real_directory); + return desktop->details->real_directory; +} + + +static void +desktop_finalize (GObject *object) +{ + NautilusDesktopDirectory *desktop; + + desktop = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY (object); + + nautilus_directory_unref (desktop->details->real_directory); + g_free (desktop->details); + + g_hash_table_destroy (desktop->details->callbacks); + g_hash_table_destroy (desktop->details->monitors); + + G_OBJECT_CLASS (parent_class)->finalize (object); +} + +static void +done_loading_callback (NautilusDirectory *real_directory, + NautilusDesktopDirectory *desktop) +{ + nautilus_directory_emit_done_loading (NAUTILUS_DIRECTORY (desktop)); +} + + +static void +forward_files_added_cover (NautilusDirectory *real_directory, + GList *files, + gpointer callback_data) +{ + nautilus_directory_emit_files_added (NAUTILUS_DIRECTORY (callback_data), files); +} + +static void +forward_files_changed_cover (NautilusDirectory *real_directory, + GList *files, + gpointer callback_data) +{ + nautilus_directory_emit_files_changed (NAUTILUS_DIRECTORY (callback_data), files); +} + + +static void +nautilus_desktop_directory_instance_init (NautilusDesktopDirectory *desktop) +{ + char *desktop_path; + char *desktop_uri; + NautilusDirectory *real_directory; + + desktop->details = g_new0 (NautilusDesktopDirectoryDetails, 1); + + desktop_path = nautilus_get_desktop_directory (); + desktop_uri = gnome_vfs_get_uri_from_local_path (desktop_path); + desktop->details->real_directory = nautilus_directory_get (desktop_uri); + g_free (desktop_uri); + g_free (desktop_path); + + desktop->details->callbacks = g_hash_table_new_full + (merged_callback_hash, merged_callback_equal, + NULL, (GDestroyNotify)merged_callback_destroy); + desktop->details->monitors = g_hash_table_new_full (NULL, NULL, + NULL, (GDestroyNotify)merged_monitor_destroy); + + real_directory = desktop->details->real_directory; + + g_signal_connect_object (real_directory, "done_loading", + G_CALLBACK (done_loading_callback), desktop, 0); + + g_signal_connect_object (real_directory, "files_added", + G_CALLBACK (forward_files_added_cover), desktop, 0); + g_signal_connect_object (real_directory, "files_changed", + G_CALLBACK (forward_files_changed_cover), desktop, 0); + +} + +static void +nautilus_desktop_directory_class_init (NautilusDesktopDirectoryClass *class) +{ + NautilusDirectoryClass *directory_class; + + directory_class = NAUTILUS_DIRECTORY_CLASS (class); + + G_OBJECT_CLASS (class)->finalize = desktop_finalize; + + directory_class->contains_file = desktop_contains_file; + directory_class->call_when_ready = desktop_call_when_ready; + directory_class->cancel_callback = desktop_cancel_callback; + directory_class->file_monitor_add = desktop_monitor_add; + directory_class->file_monitor_remove = desktop_monitor_remove; + directory_class->force_reload = desktop_force_reload; + directory_class->are_all_files_seen = desktop_are_all_files_seen; + directory_class->is_not_empty = desktop_is_not_empty; +} + Index: libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-directory.h =================================================================== RCS file: libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-directory.h diff -N libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-directory.h --- /dev/null 1 Jan 1970 00:00:00 -0000 +++ libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-directory.h 15 May 2003 17:08:04 -0000 @@ -0,0 +1,58 @@ +/* -*- Mode: C; indent-tabs-mode: t; c-basic-offset: 8; tab-width: 8 -*- + + nautilus-desktop-directory.h: Subclass of NautilusDirectory to implement + a virtual directory consisting of the desktop directory and the desktop + icons + + Copyright (C) 2003 Red Hat, Inc. + + This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or + modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as + published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the + License, or (at your option) any later version. + + This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, + but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of + MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU + General Public License for more details. + + You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public + License along with this program; if not, write to the + Free Software Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, + Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA. + + Author: Alexander Larsson +*/ + +#ifndef NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_H +#define NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_H + +#include + +#define NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY \ + (nautilus_desktop_directory_get_type ()) +#define NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY(obj) \ + (GTK_CHECK_CAST ((obj), NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY, NautilusDesktopDirectory)) +#define NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_CLASS(klass) \ + (GTK_CHECK_CLASS_CAST ((klass), NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY, NautilusDesktopDirectoryClass)) +#define NAUTILUS_IS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY(obj) \ + (GTK_CHECK_TYPE ((obj), NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY)) +#define NAUTILUS_IS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_CLASS(klass) \ + (GTK_CHECK_CLASS_TYPE ((klass), NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY)) + +typedef struct NautilusDesktopDirectoryDetails NautilusDesktopDirectoryDetails; + +typedef struct { + NautilusDirectory parent_slot; + NautilusDesktopDirectoryDetails *details; +} NautilusDesktopDirectory; + +typedef struct { + NautilusDirectoryClass parent_slot; + +} NautilusDesktopDirectoryClass; + +GType nautilus_desktop_directory_get_type (void); +NautilusDirectory * nautilus_desktop_directory_get_real_directory (NautilusDesktopDirectory *desktop_directory); + +#endif /* NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_H */ Index: libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-icon-file.c =================================================================== RCS file: libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-icon-file.c diff -N libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-icon-file.c --- /dev/null 1 Jan 1970 00:00:00 -0000 +++ libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-icon-file.c 15 May 2003 17:08:04 -0000 @@ -0,0 +1,344 @@ +/* -*- Mode: C; indent-tabs-mode: t; c-basic-offset: 8; tab-width: 8 -*- + + nautilus-desktop-icon-file.c: Subclass of NautilusFile to help implement the + virtual desktop icons. + + Copyright (C) 2003 Red Hat, Inc. + + This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or + modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as + published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the + License, or (at your option) any later version. + + This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, + but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of + MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU + General Public License for more details. + + You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public + License along with this program; if not, write to the + Free Software Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, + Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA. + + Author: Alexander Larsson +*/ + +#include +#include "nautilus-desktop-icon-file.h" + +#include "nautilus-directory-notify.h" +#include "nautilus-directory-private.h" +#include "nautilus-file-attributes.h" +#include "nautilus-file-private.h" +#include "nautilus-file-utilities.h" +#include +#include +#include "nautilus-desktop-directory.h" +#include +#include +#include +#include + +struct NautilusDesktopIconFileDetails { + NautilusDesktopLink *link; +}; + +static void nautilus_desktop_icon_file_init (gpointer object, + gpointer klass); +static void nautilus_desktop_icon_file_class_init (gpointer klass); + +EEL_CLASS_BOILERPLATE (NautilusDesktopIconFile, + nautilus_desktop_icon_file, + NAUTILUS_TYPE_FILE) + +static void +desktop_icon_file_monitor_add (NautilusFile *file, + gconstpointer client, + NautilusFileAttributes attributes) +{ + nautilus_directory_monitor_add_internal + (file->details->directory, file, + client, TRUE, TRUE, attributes, NULL, NULL); +} + +static void +desktop_icon_file_monitor_remove (NautilusFile *file, + gconstpointer client) +{ + nautilus_directory_monitor_remove_internal + (file->details->directory, file, client); +} + + +static void +desktop_icon_file_call_when_ready (NautilusFile *file, + NautilusFileAttributes attributes, + NautilusFileCallback callback, + gpointer callback_data) + +{ + nautilus_directory_call_when_ready_internal + (file->details->directory, file, + attributes, FALSE, NULL, callback, callback_data); +} + +static void +desktop_icon_file_cancel_call_when_ready (NautilusFile *file, + NautilusFileCallback callback, + gpointer callback_data) +{ + nautilus_directory_cancel_callback_internal + (file->details->directory, file, + NULL, callback, callback_data); +} + +static gboolean +desktop_icon_file_check_if_ready (NautilusFile *file, + NautilusFileAttributes attributes) +{ + return nautilus_directory_check_if_ready_internal + (file->details->directory, file, + attributes); +} + +static GnomeVFSFileType +desktop_icon_file_get_file_type (NautilusFile *file) +{ + return GNOME_VFS_FILE_TYPE_REGULAR; +} + +static gboolean +desktop_icon_file_get_item_count (NautilusFile *file, + guint *count, + gboolean *count_unreadable) +{ + if (count != NULL) { + *count = 0; + } + if (count_unreadable != NULL) { + *count_unreadable = FALSE; + } + return TRUE; +} + +static NautilusRequestStatus +desktop_icon_file_get_deep_counts (NautilusFile *file, + guint *directory_count, + guint *file_count, + guint *unreadable_directory_count, + GnomeVFSFileSize *total_size) +{ + if (directory_count != NULL) { + *directory_count = 0; + } + if (file_count != NULL) { + *file_count = 0; + } + if (unreadable_directory_count != NULL) { + *unreadable_directory_count = 0; + } + if (total_size != NULL) { + *total_size = 0; + } + + return NAUTILUS_REQUEST_DONE; +} + +static gboolean +desktop_icon_file_get_date (NautilusFile *file, + NautilusDateType date_type, + time_t *date) +{ + NautilusDesktopIconFile *desktop_file; + + desktop_file = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE (file); + + return nautilus_desktop_link_get_date (desktop_file->details->link, + date_type, date); +} + +static char * +desktop_icon_file_get_where_string (NautilusFile *file) +{ + return g_strdup (_("on the desktop")); +} + +static void +nautilus_desktop_icon_file_init (gpointer object, gpointer klass) +{ + NautilusDesktopIconFile *desktop_file; + + desktop_file = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE (object); + + desktop_file->details = g_new0 (NautilusDesktopIconFileDetails, 1); +} + +static void +update_info_from_link (NautilusDesktopIconFile *icon_file) +{ + NautilusFile *file; + GnomeVFSFileInfo *file_info; + NautilusDesktopLink *link; + + file = NAUTILUS_FILE (icon_file); + + link = icon_file->details->link; + + if (link == NULL) { + return; + } + + file_info = file->details->info; + + gnome_vfs_file_info_clear (file_info); + + file_info->name = nautilus_desktop_link_get_file_name (link); + file_info->mime_type = g_strdup ("application/x-nautilus-link"); + file_info->type = GNOME_VFS_FILE_TYPE_REGULAR; + file_info->flags = GNOME_VFS_FILE_FLAGS_NONE; + file_info->link_count = 1; + file_info->size = 0; + + file_info->valid_fields = GNOME_VFS_FILE_INFO_FIELDS_TYPE | + GNOME_VFS_FILE_INFO_FIELDS_FLAGS | + GNOME_VFS_FILE_INFO_FIELDS_MIME_TYPE | + GNOME_VFS_FILE_INFO_FIELDS_SIZE | + GNOME_VFS_FILE_INFO_FIELDS_LINK_COUNT; + + file->details->file_info_is_up_to_date = TRUE; + + g_free (file->details->display_name); + file->details->display_name = nautilus_desktop_link_get_display_name (link); + g_free (file->details->custom_icon); + file->details->custom_icon = nautilus_desktop_link_get_icon (link); + g_free (file->details->activation_uri); + file->details->activation_uri = nautilus_desktop_link_get_activation_uri (link); + file->details->got_link_info = TRUE; + file->details->link_info_is_up_to_date = TRUE; + + file->details->directory_count = 0; + file->details->got_directory_count = TRUE; + file->details->directory_count_is_up_to_date = TRUE; +} + +void +nautilus_desktop_icon_file_update (NautilusDesktopIconFile *icon_file) +{ + NautilusFile *file; + + update_info_from_link (icon_file); + file = NAUTILUS_FILE (icon_file); + nautilus_file_clear_cached_display_name (file); + nautilus_file_changed (file); +} + +void +nautilus_desktop_icon_file_remove (NautilusDesktopIconFile *icon_file) +{ + NautilusFile *file; + GList list; + + icon_file->details->link = NULL; + + file = NAUTILUS_FILE (icon_file); + + /* ref here because we might be removing the last ref when we + * mark the file gone below, but we need to keep a ref at + * least long enough to send the change notification. + */ + nautilus_file_ref (file); + + file->details->is_gone = TRUE; + + list.data = file; + list.next = NULL; + list.prev = NULL; + + nautilus_directory_remove_file (file->details->directory, file); + nautilus_directory_emit_change_signals (file->details->directory, &list); + + nautilus_file_unref (file); +} + + +NautilusDesktopIconFile * +nautilus_desktop_icon_file_new (NautilusDesktopLink *link) +{ + NautilusFile *file; + NautilusDirectory *directory; + NautilusDesktopIconFile *icon_file; + char *name; + GList list; + + directory = nautilus_directory_get (EEL_DESKTOP_URI); + + file = NAUTILUS_FILE (g_object_new (NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE, NULL)); + +#ifdef NAUTILUS_FILE_DEBUG_REF + printf("%10p ref'd\n", file); + eazel_dump_stack_trace ("\t", 10); +#endif + + nautilus_directory_ref (directory); + file->details->directory = directory; + + icon_file = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE (file); + icon_file->details->link = link; + + file->details->info = gnome_vfs_file_info_new (); + name = nautilus_desktop_link_get_file_name (link); + file->details->relative_uri = gnome_vfs_escape_string (name); + g_free (name); + + update_info_from_link (icon_file); + + nautilus_directory_add_file (directory, file); + + list.data = file; + list.next = NULL; + list.prev = NULL; + nautilus_directory_emit_files_added (directory, &list); + + return icon_file; +} + +NautilusDesktopLink * +nautilus_desktop_icon_file_get_link (NautilusDesktopIconFile *icon_file) +{ + return g_object_ref (icon_file->details->link); +} + +static void +desktop_finalize (GObject *object) +{ + NautilusDesktopIconFile *desktop_file; + + desktop_file = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE (object); + + g_free (desktop_file->details); + + EEL_CALL_PARENT (G_OBJECT_CLASS, finalize, (object)); +} + +static void +nautilus_desktop_icon_file_class_init (gpointer klass) +{ + GObjectClass *object_class; + NautilusFileClass *file_class; + + object_class = G_OBJECT_CLASS (klass); + file_class = NAUTILUS_FILE_CLASS (klass); + + object_class->finalize = desktop_finalize; + + file_class->monitor_add = desktop_icon_file_monitor_add; + file_class->monitor_remove = desktop_icon_file_monitor_remove; + file_class->call_when_ready = desktop_icon_file_call_when_ready; + file_class->cancel_call_when_ready = desktop_icon_file_cancel_call_when_ready; + file_class->check_if_ready = desktop_icon_file_check_if_ready; + file_class->get_file_type = desktop_icon_file_get_file_type; + file_class->get_item_count = desktop_icon_file_get_item_count; + file_class->get_deep_counts = desktop_icon_file_get_deep_counts; + file_class->get_date = desktop_icon_file_get_date; + file_class->get_where_string = desktop_icon_file_get_where_string; +} Index: libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-icon-file.h =================================================================== RCS file: libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-icon-file.h diff -N libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-icon-file.h --- /dev/null 1 Jan 1970 00:00:00 -0000 +++ libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-icon-file.h 15 May 2003 17:08:04 -0000 @@ -0,0 +1,61 @@ +/* -*- Mode: C; indent-tabs-mode: t; c-basic-offset: 8; tab-width: 8 -*- + + nautilus-desktop-file.h: Subclass of NautilusFile to implement the + the case of a desktop icon file + + Copyright (C) 2003 Red Hat, Inc. + + This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or + modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as + published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the + License, or (at your option) any later version. + + This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, + but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of + MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU + General Public License for more details. + + You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public + License along with this program; if not, write to the + Free Software Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, + Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA. + + Author: Alexander Larsson +*/ + +#ifndef NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE_H +#define NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE_H + +#include +#include + +#define NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE \ + (nautilus_desktop_icon_file_get_type ()) +#define NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE(obj) \ + (GTK_CHECK_CAST ((obj), NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE, NautilusDesktopIconFile)) +#define NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE_CLASS(klass) \ + (GTK_CHECK_CLASS_CAST ((klass), NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE, NautilusDesktopIconFileClass)) +#define NAUTILUS_IS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE(obj) \ + (GTK_CHECK_TYPE ((obj), NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE)) +#define NAUTILUS_IS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE_CLASS(klass) \ + (GTK_CHECK_CLASS_TYPE ((klass), NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE)) + +typedef struct NautilusDesktopIconFileDetails NautilusDesktopIconFileDetails; + +typedef struct { + NautilusFile parent_slot; + NautilusDesktopIconFileDetails *details; +} NautilusDesktopIconFile; + +typedef struct { + NautilusFileClass parent_slot; +} NautilusDesktopIconFileClass; + +GType nautilus_desktop_icon_file_get_type (void); + +NautilusDesktopIconFile *nautilus_desktop_icon_file_new (NautilusDesktopLink *link); +void nautilus_desktop_icon_file_update (NautilusDesktopIconFile *icon_file); +void nautilus_desktop_icon_file_remove (NautilusDesktopIconFile *icon_file); +NautilusDesktopLink *nautilus_desktop_icon_file_get_link (NautilusDesktopIconFile *icon_file); + +#endif /* NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE_H */ Index: libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-link-monitor.c =================================================================== RCS file: libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-link-monitor.c diff -N libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-link-monitor.c --- /dev/null 1 Jan 1970 00:00:00 -0000 +++ libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-link-monitor.c 15 May 2003 17:08:04 -0000 @@ -0,0 +1,354 @@ +/* -*- Mode: C; indent-tabs-mode: t; c-basic-offset: 8; tab-width: 8 -*- + + nautilus-desktop-link-monitor.c: singleton thatn manages the links + + Copyright (C) 2003 Red Hat, Inc. + + This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or + modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as + published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the + License, or (at your option) any later version. + + This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, + but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of + MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU + General Public License for more details. + + You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public + License along with this program; if not, write to the + Free Software Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, + Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA. + + Author: Alexander Larsson +*/ + +#include +#include "nautilus-desktop-link-monitor.h" +#include "nautilus-desktop-link.h" +#include "nautilus-desktop-icon-file.h" +#include "nautilus-directory.h" +#include "nautilus-desktop-directory.h" +#include "nautilus-global-preferences.h" + +#include +#include +#include +#include +#include +#include +#include +#include +#include +#include + +struct NautilusDesktopLinkMonitorDetails { + NautilusDirectory *desktop_dir; + + NautilusDesktopLink *home_link; + NautilusDesktopLink *trash_link; + + GList *volume_links; + + GList *mount_black_list; +}; + + +static void nautilus_desktop_link_monitor_init (gpointer object, + gpointer klass); +static void nautilus_desktop_link_monitor_class_init (gpointer klass); + +EEL_CLASS_BOILERPLATE (NautilusDesktopLinkMonitor, + nautilus_desktop_link_monitor, + G_TYPE_OBJECT) + +static NautilusDesktopLinkMonitor *link_monitor = NULL; + +NautilusDesktopLinkMonitor * +nautilus_desktop_link_monitor_get (void) +{ + if (link_monitor == NULL) { + link_monitor = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_MONITOR (g_object_new (NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_LINK_MONITOR, NULL)); + } + return link_monitor; +} + +void +nautilus_desktop_link_monitor_delete_link (NautilusDesktopLinkMonitor *monitor, + NautilusDesktopLink *link, + GtkWidget *parent_view) +{ + /* FIXME: Is this right? How to get them back? + * Do we disallow this, or add a prefs ui to get them back? */ + + switch (nautilus_desktop_link_get_link_type (link)) { + case NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_HOME: + eel_preferences_set_boolean (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_HOME_VISIBLE, FALSE); + break; + case NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_TRASH: + eel_preferences_set_boolean (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_TRASH_VISIBLE, FALSE); + break; + default: + eel_run_simple_dialog + (parent_view, + FALSE, + _("You cannot delete a volume icon. If you want to eject " + "the volume, please use Eject in the right-click menu of " + "the volume."), + _("Can't delete volume"), + GTK_STOCK_OK, NULL); + break; + } +} + + +static gboolean +volume_in_black_list (NautilusDesktopLinkMonitor *monitor, + const NautilusVolume *volume) +{ + GList *p; + + g_return_val_if_fail (NAUTILUS_IS_DESKTOP_LINK_MONITOR (monitor), TRUE); + + for (p = monitor->details->mount_black_list; p != NULL; p = p->next) { + if (strcmp ((char *) p->data, nautilus_volume_get_mount_path (volume)) == 0) { + return TRUE; + } + } + + return FALSE; +} + +static gboolean +volume_name_exists (NautilusDesktopLinkMonitor *monitor, + const char *name) +{ + GList *l; + char *other_name; + + for (l = monitor->details->volume_links; l != NULL; l = l->next) { + other_name = nautilus_desktop_link_get_display_name (l->data); + if (strcmp (name, other_name) == 0) { + g_free (other_name); + return TRUE; + } + g_free (other_name); + } + return FALSE; +} + +static void +create_volume_link (NautilusDesktopLinkMonitor *monitor, + const NautilusVolume *volume) +{ + NautilusDesktopLink *link; + char *volume_name; + char *unique_name; + int index; + + if (volume_in_black_list (monitor, volume)) { + return; + } + + /* FIXME bugzilla.gnome.org 45412: Design a comprehensive desktop mounting strategy */ + if (!nautilus_volume_is_removable (volume)) { + return; + } + + volume_name = nautilus_volume_get_name (volume); + index = 1; + + unique_name = g_strdup (volume_name); + while (volume_name_exists (monitor, volume_name)) { + g_free (unique_name); + unique_name = g_strdup_printf ("%s (%d)", volume_name, index); + } + + if (index != 1) { + nautilus_volume_monitor_set_volume_name (nautilus_volume_monitor_get (), + volume, unique_name); + } + g_free (volume_name); + g_free (unique_name); + + link = nautilus_desktop_link_new_from_volume (volume); + monitor->details->volume_links = g_list_prepend (monitor->details->volume_links, link); +} + +static gboolean +create_one_volume_link (const NautilusVolume *volume, gpointer callback_data) +{ + create_volume_link (NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_MONITOR (callback_data), + volume); + return TRUE; +} + + +static void +volume_mounted_callback (NautilusVolumeMonitor *volume_monitor, + NautilusVolume *volume, + NautilusDesktopLinkMonitor *monitor) +{ + create_volume_link (monitor, volume); +} + + +static void +volume_unmounted_callback (NautilusVolumeMonitor *volume_monitor, + NautilusVolume *volume, + NautilusDesktopLinkMonitor *monitor) +{ + GList *l; + NautilusDesktopLink *link; + char *mount_path; + + link = NULL; + for (l = monitor->details->volume_links; l != NULL; l = l->next) { + mount_path = nautilus_desktop_link_get_mount_path (l->data); + + if (strcmp (mount_path, nautilus_volume_get_mount_path (volume)) == 0) { + link = l->data; + g_free (mount_path); + break; + } + g_free (mount_path); + } + + if (link) { + g_object_unref (link); + monitor->details->volume_links = g_list_remove (monitor->details->volume_links, link); + } +} + + +static void +desktop_home_visible_changed (gpointer callback_data) +{ + NautilusDesktopLinkMonitor *monitor; + + monitor = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_MONITOR (callback_data); + + if (eel_preferences_get_boolean (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_HOME_VISIBLE)) { + if (monitor->details->home_link == NULL) { + monitor->details->home_link = nautilus_desktop_link_new (NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_HOME); + } + } else { + if (monitor->details->home_link != NULL) { + g_object_unref (monitor->details->home_link); + monitor->details->home_link = NULL; + } + } +} + +static void +desktop_trash_visible_changed (gpointer callback_data) +{ + NautilusDesktopLinkMonitor *monitor; + + monitor = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_MONITOR (callback_data); + + if (eel_preferences_get_boolean (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_TRASH_VISIBLE)) { + if (monitor->details->trash_link == NULL) { + monitor->details->trash_link = nautilus_desktop_link_new (NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_TRASH); + } + } else { + if (monitor->details->trash_link != NULL) { + g_object_unref (monitor->details->trash_link); + monitor->details->trash_link = NULL; + } + } +} + +static void +nautilus_desktop_link_monitor_init (gpointer object, gpointer klass) +{ + NautilusDesktopLinkMonitor *monitor; + GList *list; + + monitor = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_MONITOR (object); + + monitor->details = g_new0 (NautilusDesktopLinkMonitorDetails, 1); + + /* Set up default mount black list */ + list = g_list_prepend (NULL, g_strdup ("/proc")); + list = g_list_prepend (list, g_strdup ("/boot")); + monitor->details->mount_black_list = list; + + /* We keep around a ref to the desktop dir */ + monitor->details->desktop_dir = nautilus_directory_get (EEL_DESKTOP_URI); + + if (eel_preferences_get_boolean (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_HOME_VISIBLE)) { + monitor->details->home_link = nautilus_desktop_link_new (NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_HOME); + } + + if (eel_preferences_get_boolean (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_TRASH_VISIBLE)) { + monitor->details->trash_link = nautilus_desktop_link_new (NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_TRASH); + } + + nautilus_volume_monitor_each_mounted_volume (nautilus_volume_monitor_get (), + create_one_volume_link, + monitor); + + eel_preferences_add_callback (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_HOME_VISIBLE, + desktop_home_visible_changed, + monitor); + eel_preferences_add_callback (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_TRASH_VISIBLE, + desktop_trash_visible_changed, + monitor); + + + g_signal_connect_object (nautilus_volume_monitor_get (), "volume_mounted", + G_CALLBACK (volume_mounted_callback), monitor, 0); + g_signal_connect_object (nautilus_volume_monitor_get (), "volume_unmounted", + G_CALLBACK (volume_unmounted_callback), monitor, 0); + +} + +static void +desktop_link_monitor_finalize (GObject *object) +{ + NautilusDesktopLinkMonitor *monitor; + + monitor = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_MONITOR (object); + + if (monitor->details->home_link != NULL) { + g_object_unref (monitor->details->home_link); + monitor->details->home_link = NULL; + } + + if (monitor->details->trash_link != NULL) { + g_object_unref (monitor->details->home_link); + monitor->details->trash_link = NULL; + } + + g_list_foreach (monitor->details->volume_links, (GFunc)g_object_unref, NULL); + g_list_free (monitor->details->volume_links); + monitor->details->volume_links = NULL; + + nautilus_directory_unref (monitor->details->desktop_dir); + monitor->details->desktop_dir = NULL; + + eel_g_list_free_deep (monitor->details->mount_black_list); + monitor->details->mount_black_list = NULL; + + eel_preferences_remove_callback (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_HOME_VISIBLE, + desktop_home_visible_changed, + monitor); + eel_preferences_remove_callback (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_TRASH_VISIBLE, + desktop_trash_visible_changed, + monitor); + + g_free (monitor->details); + + EEL_CALL_PARENT (G_OBJECT_CLASS, finalize, (object)); +} + +static void +nautilus_desktop_link_monitor_class_init (gpointer klass) +{ + GObjectClass *object_class; + + object_class = G_OBJECT_CLASS (klass); + + object_class->finalize = desktop_link_monitor_finalize; + +} Index: libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-link-monitor.h =================================================================== RCS file: libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-link-monitor.h diff -N libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-link-monitor.h --- /dev/null 1 Jan 1970 00:00:00 -0000 +++ libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-link-monitor.h 15 May 2003 17:08:04 -0000 @@ -0,0 +1,60 @@ +/* -*- Mode: C; indent-tabs-mode: t; c-basic-offset: 8; tab-width: 8 -*- + + nautilus-desktop-link-monitor.h: singleton thatn manages the links + + Copyright (C) 2003 Red Hat, Inc. + + This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or + modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as + published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the + License, or (at your option) any later version. + + This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, + but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of + MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU + General Public License for more details. + + You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public + License along with this program; if not, write to the + Free Software Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, + Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA. + + Author: Alexander Larsson +*/ + +#ifndef NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_MONITOR_H +#define NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_MONITOR_H + +#include +#include + +#define NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_LINK_MONITOR \ + (nautilus_desktop_link_monitor_get_type ()) +#define NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_MONITOR(obj) \ + (GTK_CHECK_CAST ((obj), NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_LINK_MONITOR, NautilusDesktopLinkMonitor)) +#define NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_MONITOR_CLASS(klass) \ + (GTK_CHECK_CLASS_CAST ((klass), NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_LINK_MONITOR, NautilusDesktopLinkMonitor)) +#define NAUTILUS_IS_DESKTOP_LINK_MONITOR(obj) \ + (GTK_CHECK_TYPE ((obj), NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_LINK_MONITOR)) +#define NAUTILUS_IS_DESKTOP_LINK_MONITOR_CLASS(klass) \ + (GTK_CHECK_CLASS_TYPE ((klass), NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_LINK_MONITOR)) + +typedef struct NautilusDesktopLinkMonitorDetails NautilusDesktopLinkMonitorDetails; + +typedef struct { + GObject parent_slot; + NautilusDesktopLinkMonitorDetails *details; +} NautilusDesktopLinkMonitor; + +typedef struct { + GObjectClass parent_slot; +} NautilusDesktopLinkMonitorClass; + +GType nautilus_desktop_link_monitor_get_type (void); + +NautilusDesktopLinkMonitor * nautilus_desktop_link_monitor_get (void); +void nautilus_desktop_link_monitor_delete_link (NautilusDesktopLinkMonitor *monitor, + NautilusDesktopLink *link, + GtkWidget *parent_view); + +#endif /* NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_MONITOR_H */ Index: libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-link.c =================================================================== RCS file: libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-link.c diff -N libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-link.c --- /dev/null 1 Jan 1970 00:00:00 -0000 +++ libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-link.c 15 May 2003 17:08:04 -0000 @@ -0,0 +1,428 @@ +/* -*- Mode: C; indent-tabs-mode: t; c-basic-offset: 8; tab-width: 8 -*- + + nautilus-desktop-link.c: Class that handles the links on the desktop + + Copyright (C) 2003 Red Hat, Inc. + + This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or + modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as + published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the + License, or (at your option) any later version. + + This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, + but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of + MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU + General Public License for more details. + + You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public + License along with this program; if not, write to the + Free Software Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, + Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA. + + Author: Alexander Larsson +*/ + +#include +#include "nautilus-desktop-link.h" +#include "nautilus-desktop-icon-file.h" +#include "nautilus-directory-private.h" +#include "nautilus-desktop-directory.h" + +#include +#include +#include +#include +#include +#include +#include +#include + +#define TRASH_EMPTY_ICON "gnome-fs-trash-empty" +#define TRASH_FULL_ICON "gnome-fs-trash-full" + +struct NautilusDesktopLinkDetails { + NautilusDesktopLinkType type; + char *filename; + char *display_name; + char *activation_uri; + char *icon; + + NautilusDesktopIconFile *icon_file; + + /* Just for trash icons: */ + gulong trash_state_handler; + + /* Just for volume icons: */ + char *mount_path; +}; + +static void nautilus_desktop_link_init (gpointer object, + gpointer klass); +static void nautilus_desktop_link_class_init (gpointer klass); +static void trash_state_changed_callback (NautilusTrashMonitor *trash_monitor, + gboolean state, + gpointer callback_data); +static void nautilus_desktop_link_changed (NautilusDesktopLink *link); +static void home_uri_changed (gpointer callback_data); + +EEL_CLASS_BOILERPLATE (NautilusDesktopLink, + nautilus_desktop_link, + G_TYPE_OBJECT) + +static void +create_icon_file (NautilusDesktopLink *link) +{ + link->details->icon_file = nautilus_desktop_icon_file_new (link); +} + +static void +home_name_changed (gpointer callback_data) +{ + NautilusDesktopLink *link; + + link = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK (callback_data); + g_assert (link->details->type == NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_HOME); + + g_free (link->details->display_name); + link->details->display_name = eel_preferences_get (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_HOME_NAME); + + nautilus_desktop_link_changed (link); +} + +static void +trash_name_changed (gpointer callback_data) +{ + NautilusDesktopLink *link; + + link = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK (callback_data); + g_assert (link->details->type == NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_TRASH); + + + g_free (link->details->display_name); + link->details->display_name = eel_preferences_get (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_TRASH_NAME); + nautilus_desktop_link_changed (link); +} + + + +NautilusDesktopLink * +nautilus_desktop_link_new (NautilusDesktopLinkType type) +{ + NautilusDesktopLink *link; + + link = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK (g_object_new (NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_LINK, NULL)); + + link->details->type = type; + switch (type) { + case NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_HOME: + link->details->filename = g_strdup ("home"); + + link->details->display_name = eel_preferences_get (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_HOME_NAME); + +#ifdef WEB_NAVIGATION_ENABLED + link->details->activation_uri = eel_preferences_get (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_HOME_URI); +#else + link->details->activation_uri = gnome_vfs_get_uri_from_local_path (g_get_home_dir ()); +#endif + link->details->icon = g_strdup ("gnome-fs-home"); + + eel_preferences_add_callback (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_HOME_URI, + home_uri_changed, + link); + eel_preferences_add_callback (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_HOME_NAME, + home_name_changed, + link); + + break; + case NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_TRASH: + link->details->filename = g_strdup ("trash"); + link->details->display_name = g_strdup (_("Trash")); + link->details->activation_uri = g_strdup (EEL_TRASH_URI); + if (nautilus_trash_monitor_is_empty ()) { + link->details->icon = g_strdup (TRASH_EMPTY_ICON); + } else { + link->details->icon = g_strdup (TRASH_FULL_ICON); + } + + eel_preferences_add_callback (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_TRASH_NAME, + trash_name_changed, + link); + link->details->trash_state_handler = + g_signal_connect_object (nautilus_trash_monitor_get (), "trash_state_changed", + G_CALLBACK (trash_state_changed_callback), link, 0); + break; + default: + case NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_VOLUME: + g_assert_not_reached(); + } + + create_icon_file (link); + + return link; +} + +static char * +get_icon_for_volume (const NautilusVolume *volume) +{ + char *icon_name; + + icon_name = "gnome-dev-harddisk"; + switch (nautilus_volume_get_device_type (volume)) { + case NAUTILUS_DEVICE_AUDIO_CD: + case NAUTILUS_DEVICE_CDROM_DRIVE: + icon_name = "gnome-dev-cdrom"; + break; + + case NAUTILUS_DEVICE_FLOPPY_DRIVE: + icon_name = "gnome-dev-floppy"; + break; + + case NAUTILUS_DEVICE_JAZ_DRIVE: + icon_name = "gnome-dev-jazdisk"; + break; + + case NAUTILUS_DEVICE_MEMORY_STICK: + icon_name = "gnome-dev-memory"; + break; + + case NAUTILUS_DEVICE_NFS: + icon_name = "gnome-fs-nfs"; + break; + + case NAUTILUS_DEVICE_SMB: + icon_name = "gnome-fs-smb"; + break; + + case NAUTILUS_DEVICE_ZIP_DRIVE: + icon_name = "gnome-dev-zipdisk"; + break; + + case NAUTILUS_DEVICE_APPLE: + case NAUTILUS_DEVICE_WINDOWS: + case NAUTILUS_DEVICE_CAMERA: + case NAUTILUS_DEVICE_UNKNOWN: + break; + } + + return g_strdup (icon_name); +} + +NautilusDesktopLink * +nautilus_desktop_link_new_from_volume (const NautilusVolume *volume) +{ + NautilusDesktopLink *link; + const char *mount_path; + char *underscore_mount_path, *p; + + link = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK (g_object_new (NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_LINK, NULL)); + + link->details->type = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_VOLUME; + + mount_path = nautilus_volume_get_mount_path (volume); + link->details->mount_path = g_strdup (mount_path); + + /* Convert slashes in the mount path to underscores and skip + first slash */ + while (*mount_path == '/') { + mount_path ++; + } + underscore_mount_path = g_strdup (mount_path); + for (p = underscore_mount_path; *p != 0; p++) { + if (*p == '/') { + *p = '_'; + } + } + + link->details->filename = g_strconcat ("mount_", underscore_mount_path, NULL); + g_free (underscore_mount_path); + + link->details->display_name = nautilus_volume_get_name (volume); + + link->details->activation_uri = nautilus_volume_get_target_uri (volume); + link->details->icon = get_icon_for_volume (volume); + + create_icon_file (link); + + return link; +} + +char * +nautilus_desktop_link_get_mount_path (NautilusDesktopLink *link) +{ + g_assert (link->details->type == NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_VOLUME); + return g_strdup (link->details->mount_path); +} + + +NautilusDesktopLinkType +nautilus_desktop_link_get_link_type (NautilusDesktopLink *link) +{ + return link->details->type; +} + +char * +nautilus_desktop_link_get_file_name (NautilusDesktopLink *link) +{ + return g_strdup (link->details->filename); +} + +char * +nautilus_desktop_link_get_display_name (NautilusDesktopLink *link) +{ + return g_strdup (link->details->display_name); +} + +char * +nautilus_desktop_link_get_icon (NautilusDesktopLink *link) +{ + return g_strdup (link->details->icon); +} + +char * +nautilus_desktop_link_get_activation_uri (NautilusDesktopLink *link) +{ + return g_strdup (link->details->activation_uri); +} + +gboolean +nautilus_desktop_link_get_date (NautilusDesktopLink *link, + NautilusDateType date_type, + time_t *date) +{ + return FALSE; +} + +static void +nautilus_desktop_link_changed (NautilusDesktopLink *link) +{ + if (link->details->icon_file != NULL) { + nautilus_desktop_icon_file_update (link->details->icon_file); + } +} + +static void +trash_state_changed_callback (NautilusTrashMonitor *trash_monitor, + gboolean state, + gpointer callback_data) +{ + NautilusDesktopLink *link; + + link = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK (callback_data); + g_assert (link->details->type == NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_TRASH); + + g_free (link->details->icon); + + if (state) { + link->details->icon = g_strdup (TRASH_EMPTY_ICON); + } else { + link->details->icon = g_strdup (TRASH_FULL_ICON); + } + + nautilus_desktop_link_changed (link); +} + +static void +home_uri_changed (gpointer callback_data) +{ + NautilusDesktopLink *link; + + link = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK (callback_data); + + g_free (link->details->activation_uri); +#ifdef WEB_NAVIGATION_ENABLED + link->details->activation_uri = eel_preferences_get (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_HOME_URI); +#else + link->details->activation_uri = gnome_vfs_get_uri_from_local_path (g_get_home_dir ()); +#endif + + nautilus_desktop_link_changed (link); +} + + +gboolean +nautilus_desktop_link_can_rename (NautilusDesktopLink *link) +{ + return (link->details->type == NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_HOME || + link->details->type == NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_TRASH); +} + +gboolean +nautilus_desktop_link_rename (NautilusDesktopLink *link, + const char *name) +{ + switch (link->details->type) { + case NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_HOME: + eel_preferences_set (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_HOME_NAME, + name); + break; + case NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_TRASH: + eel_preferences_set (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_HOME_NAME, + name); + break; + default: + g_assert_not_reached (); + /* FIXME: Do we want volume renaming? + * We didn't support that before. */ + break; + } + + return TRUE; +} + + +static void +nautilus_desktop_link_init (gpointer object, gpointer klass) +{ + NautilusDesktopLink *link; + + link = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK (object); + + link->details = g_new0 (NautilusDesktopLinkDetails, 1); +} + +static void +desktop_link_finalize (GObject *object) +{ + NautilusDesktopLink *link; + + link = NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK (object); + + if (link->details->trash_state_handler != 0) { + g_signal_handler_disconnect (nautilus_trash_monitor_get (), + link->details->trash_state_handler); + } + + if (link->details->icon_file != NULL) { + nautilus_desktop_icon_file_remove (link->details->icon_file); + } + + if (link->details->type == NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_HOME) { + eel_preferences_remove_callback (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_HOME_URI, + home_uri_changed, + link); + eel_preferences_remove_callback (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_HOME_NAME, + home_name_changed, + link); + } + + if (link->details->type == NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_TRASH) { + eel_preferences_remove_callback (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_TRASH_NAME, + trash_name_changed, + link); + } + + g_free (link->details); + + EEL_CALL_PARENT (G_OBJECT_CLASS, finalize, (object)); +} + +static void +nautilus_desktop_link_class_init (gpointer klass) +{ + GObjectClass *object_class; + + object_class = G_OBJECT_CLASS (klass); + + object_class->finalize = desktop_link_finalize; + +} Index: libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-link.h =================================================================== RCS file: libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-link.h diff -N libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-link.h --- /dev/null 1 Jan 1970 00:00:00 -0000 +++ libnautilus-private/nautilus-desktop-link.h 15 May 2003 17:08:04 -0000 @@ -0,0 +1,77 @@ +/* -*- Mode: C; indent-tabs-mode: t; c-basic-offset: 8; tab-width: 8 -*- + + nautilus-desktop-link.h: Class that handles the links on the desktop + + Copyright (C) 2003 Red Hat, Inc. + + This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or + modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as + published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the + License, or (at your option) any later version. + + This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, + but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of + MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU + General Public License for more details. + + You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public + License along with this program; if not, write to the + Free Software Foundation, Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, + Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA. + + Author: Alexander Larsson +*/ + +#ifndef NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_H +#define NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_H + +#include +#include + +#define NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_LINK \ + (nautilus_desktop_link_get_type ()) +#define NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK(obj) \ + (GTK_CHECK_CAST ((obj), NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_LINK, NautilusDesktopLink)) +#define NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_CLASS(klass) \ + (GTK_CHECK_CLASS_CAST ((klass), NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_LINK, NautilusDesktopLink)) +#define NAUTILUS_IS_DESKTOP_LINK(obj) \ + (GTK_CHECK_TYPE ((obj), NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_LINK)) +#define NAUTILUS_IS_DESKTOP_LINK_CLASS(klass) \ + (GTK_CHECK_CLASS_TYPE ((klass), NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_LINK)) + +typedef struct NautilusDesktopLinkDetails NautilusDesktopLinkDetails; + +typedef struct { + GObject parent_slot; + NautilusDesktopLinkDetails *details; +} NautilusDesktopLink; + +typedef struct { + GObjectClass parent_slot; +} NautilusDesktopLinkClass; + +typedef enum { + NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_HOME, + NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_TRASH, + NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_VOLUME +} NautilusDesktopLinkType; + +GType nautilus_desktop_link_get_type (void); + +NautilusDesktopLink * nautilus_desktop_link_new (NautilusDesktopLinkType type); +NautilusDesktopLink * nautilus_desktop_link_new_from_volume (const NautilusVolume *volume); +NautilusDesktopLinkType nautilus_desktop_link_get_link_type (NautilusDesktopLink *link); +char * nautilus_desktop_link_get_file_name (NautilusDesktopLink *link); +char * nautilus_desktop_link_get_display_name (NautilusDesktopLink *link); +char * nautilus_desktop_link_get_icon (NautilusDesktopLink *link); +char * nautilus_desktop_link_get_activation_uri (NautilusDesktopLink *link); +gboolean nautilus_desktop_link_get_date (NautilusDesktopLink *link, + NautilusDateType date_type, + time_t *date); +char * nautilus_desktop_link_get_mount_path (NautilusDesktopLink *link); + +gboolean nautilus_desktop_link_can_rename (NautilusDesktopLink *link); +gboolean nautilus_desktop_link_rename (NautilusDesktopLink *link, + const char *name); + +#endif /* NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_H */ Index: libnautilus-private/nautilus-directory-async.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/libnautilus-private/nautilus-directory-async.c,v retrieving revision 1.198 diff -u -p -r1.198 nautilus-directory-async.c --- libnautilus-private/nautilus-directory-async.c 2 Apr 2003 11:50:52 -0000 1.198 +++ libnautilus-private/nautilus-directory-async.c 15 May 2003 17:08:05 -0000 @@ -3305,7 +3305,7 @@ nautilus_directory_add_file_to_work_queu } nautilus_file_queue_enqueue (directory->details->high_priority_queue, - file); + file); } Index: libnautilus-private/nautilus-directory.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/libnautilus-private/nautilus-directory.c,v retrieving revision 1.246 diff -u -p -r1.246 nautilus-directory.c --- libnautilus-private/nautilus-directory.c 2 Apr 2003 11:50:53 -0000 1.246 +++ libnautilus-private/nautilus-directory.c 15 May 2003 17:08:05 -0000 @@ -34,6 +34,7 @@ #include "nautilus-lib-self-check-functions.h" #include "nautilus-metadata.h" #include "nautilus-metafile.h" +#include "nautilus-desktop-directory.h" #include "nautilus-trash-directory.h" #include "nautilus-vfs-directory.h" #include @@ -501,6 +502,8 @@ nautilus_directory_new (const char *uri) if (eel_uri_is_trash (uri)) { directory = NAUTILUS_DIRECTORY (g_object_new (NAUTILUS_TYPE_TRASH_DIRECTORY, NULL)); + } else if (eel_uri_is_desktop (uri)) { + directory = NAUTILUS_DIRECTORY (g_object_new (NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY, NULL)); } else { directory = NAUTILUS_DIRECTORY (g_object_new (NAUTILUS_TYPE_VFS_DIRECTORY, NULL)); } Index: libnautilus-private/nautilus-dnd.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/libnautilus-private/nautilus-dnd.c,v retrieving revision 1.15 diff -u -p -r1.15 nautilus-dnd.c --- libnautilus-private/nautilus-dnd.c 27 Mar 2003 16:01:19 -0000 1.15 +++ libnautilus-private/nautilus-dnd.c 15 May 2003 17:08:05 -0000 @@ -44,6 +44,7 @@ #include #include #include +#include #include #include @@ -219,12 +220,19 @@ nautilus_drag_items_local (const char *t target_uri = gnome_vfs_uri_new (target_uri_string); - /* get the parent URI of the first item in the selection */ - item_uri = gnome_vfs_uri_new (((NautilusDragSelectionItem *)selection_list->data)->uri); - result = gnome_vfs_uri_is_parent (target_uri, item_uri, FALSE); - - gnome_vfs_uri_unref (item_uri); - gnome_vfs_uri_unref (target_uri); + if (target_uri != NULL) { + /* get the parent URI of the first item in the selection */ + item_uri = gnome_vfs_uri_new (((NautilusDragSelectionItem *)selection_list->data)->uri); + + if (item_uri != NULL) { + result = gnome_vfs_uri_is_parent (target_uri, item_uri, FALSE); + + gnome_vfs_uri_unref (item_uri); + } + + gnome_vfs_uri_unref (target_uri); + } + return result; } @@ -240,6 +248,39 @@ nautilus_drag_items_in_trash (const GLis return eel_uri_is_in_trash (((NautilusDragSelectionItem *)selection_list->data)->uri); } +gboolean +nautilus_drag_items_on_desktop (const GList *selection_list) +{ + char *uri; + GnomeVFSURI *vfs_uri, *desktop_vfs_uri; + char *desktop_uri; + gboolean result; + + /* check if the first item on the list is in trash. + * FIXME: + * we should really test each item but that would be slow for large selections + * and currently dropped items can only be from the same container + */ + uri = ((NautilusDragSelectionItem *)selection_list->data)->uri; + if (eel_uri_is_desktop (uri)) { + return TRUE; + } + + vfs_uri = gnome_vfs_uri_new (uri); + desktop_uri = nautilus_get_desktop_directory_uri (); + desktop_vfs_uri = gnome_vfs_uri_new (desktop_uri); + g_free (desktop_uri); + + result = gnome_vfs_uri_is_parent (desktop_vfs_uri, vfs_uri, FALSE); + + gnome_vfs_uri_unref (desktop_vfs_uri); + gnome_vfs_uri_unref (vfs_uri); + + return result; + +} + + void nautilus_drag_default_drop_action_for_icons (GdkDragContext *context, const char *target_uri_string, const GList *items, @@ -293,10 +334,17 @@ nautilus_drag_default_drop_action_for_ic return; - } else if (eel_str_has_prefix (target_uri_string, NAUTILUS_COMMAND_SPECIFIER) - || eel_str_has_prefix (target_uri_string, NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_COMMAND_SPECIFIER)) { + } else if (g_str_has_prefix (target_uri_string, NAUTILUS_COMMAND_SPECIFIER) + || g_str_has_prefix (target_uri_string, NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_COMMAND_SPECIFIER)) { + if (actions & GDK_ACTION_MOVE) { + *action = GDK_ACTION_MOVE; + } + return; + } else if (eel_uri_is_desktop (target_uri_string)) { if (actions & GDK_ACTION_MOVE) { *action = GDK_ACTION_MOVE; + } else { + *action = context->suggested_action; } return; } else { @@ -312,8 +360,10 @@ nautilus_drag_default_drop_action_for_ic dropped_uri = gnome_vfs_uri_new (((NautilusDragSelectionItem *)items->data)->uri); same_fs = TRUE; - gnome_vfs_check_same_fs_uris (dropped_uri, target_uri, &same_fs); - gnome_vfs_uri_unref (dropped_uri); + if (dropped_uri != NULL) { + gnome_vfs_check_same_fs_uris (dropped_uri, target_uri, &same_fs); + gnome_vfs_uri_unref (dropped_uri); + } gnome_vfs_uri_unref (target_uri); if (same_fs) { @@ -790,36 +840,15 @@ gboolean nautilus_drag_selection_includes_special_link (GList *selection_list) { GList *node; - char *uri, *local_path; - gboolean link_in_selection; - GnomeVFSFileInfo *info; - - link_in_selection = FALSE; + char *uri; for (node = selection_list; node != NULL; node = node->next) { uri = ((NautilusDragSelectionItem *) node->data)->uri; - /* FIXME bugzilla.gnome.org 43020: This does sync. I/O and works only locally. */ - local_path = gnome_vfs_get_local_path_from_uri (uri); - - if (local_path) { - info = gnome_vfs_file_info_new (); - gnome_vfs_get_file_info - (local_path, info, - GNOME_VFS_FILE_INFO_GET_MIME_TYPE | - GNOME_VFS_FILE_INFO_FOLLOW_LINKS); - /* assume info is blank on failure */ - link_in_selection = (nautilus_link_local_is_trash_link (local_path, info) || - nautilus_link_local_is_home_link (local_path, info) || - nautilus_link_local_is_volume_link (local_path, info)); - gnome_vfs_file_info_unref (info); - g_free (local_path); - } - - if (link_in_selection) { - break; + if (eel_uri_is_desktop (uri)) { + return TRUE; } } - return link_in_selection; + return FALSE; } Index: libnautilus-private/nautilus-dnd.h =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/libnautilus-private/nautilus-dnd.h,v retrieving revision 1.8 diff -u -p -r1.8 nautilus-dnd.h --- libnautilus-private/nautilus-dnd.h 8 Feb 2003 22:19:24 -0000 1.8 +++ libnautilus-private/nautilus-dnd.h 15 May 2003 17:08:05 -0000 @@ -114,6 +114,7 @@ GList *nautilus_drag_build_ gboolean nautilus_drag_items_local (const char *target_uri, const GList *selection_list); gboolean nautilus_drag_items_in_trash (const GList *selection_list); +gboolean nautilus_drag_items_on_desktop (const GList *selection_list); void nautilus_drag_default_drop_action_for_icons (GdkDragContext *context, const char *target_uri, const GList *items, Index: libnautilus-private/nautilus-file-operations.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/libnautilus-private/nautilus-file-operations.c,v retrieving revision 1.163 diff -u -p -r1.163 nautilus-file-operations.c --- libnautilus-private/nautilus-file-operations.c 3 Feb 2003 16:16:52 -0000 1.163 +++ libnautilus-private/nautilus-file-operations.c 15 May 2003 17:08:05 -0000 @@ -46,6 +46,9 @@ #include #include #include "nautilus-file-changes-queue.h" +#include "nautilus-file-private.h" +#include "nautilus-desktop-icon-file.h" +#include "nautilus-desktop-link-monitor.h" #include "nautilus-global-preferences.h" #include "nautilus-link.h" #include "nautilus-trash-monitor.h" @@ -991,17 +994,8 @@ handle_transfer_vfs_error (const GnomeVF static gboolean is_special_link (const char *uri) { - char *local_path; - gboolean is_special; - local_path = gnome_vfs_get_local_path_from_uri (uri); - if (local_path == NULL) { - return FALSE; - } - is_special = nautilus_link_local_is_special_link (local_path); - g_free (local_path); - - return is_special; + return eel_uri_is_desktop (uri); } static int @@ -1691,19 +1685,6 @@ append_basename (const GnomeVFSURI *targ return gnome_vfs_uri_dup (target_directory); } -static gboolean -vfs_uri_is_special_link (GnomeVFSURI *vfs_uri) -{ - char *uri; - gboolean is_special; - - uri = gnome_vfs_uri_to_string (vfs_uri, GNOME_VFS_URI_HIDE_NONE); - is_special = is_special_link (uri); - g_free (uri); - - return is_special; -} - void nautilus_file_operations_copy_move (const GList *item_uris, GArray *relative_item_points, @@ -1725,7 +1706,6 @@ nautilus_file_operations_copy_move (cons SyncTransferInfo *sync_transfer_info; GnomeVFSResult result; gboolean target_is_trash; - gboolean is_desktop_trash_link; gboolean duplicate; gboolean target_is_mapping; gboolean have_nonlocal_source; @@ -1945,21 +1925,13 @@ nautilus_file_operations_copy_move (cons /* Distinguish Trash file on desktop from other trash folders for * message purposes. */ - /* FIXME: is_special_link finds more than just trash links, - * so these messages are wrong. - */ - is_desktop_trash_link = vfs_uri_is_special_link (uri); eel_run_simple_dialog (parent_view, FALSE, ((move_options & GNOME_VFS_XFER_REMOVESOURCE) != 0) - ? (is_desktop_trash_link - ? _("The Trash must remain on the desktop.") - : _("You cannot move this trash folder.")) - : (is_desktop_trash_link - ? _("You cannot copy the Trash.") - : _("You cannot copy this trash folder.")), + ? _("You cannot move this trash folder.") + : _("You cannot copy this trash folder."), ((move_options & GNOME_VFS_XFER_REMOVESOURCE) != 0) ? _("Can't Change Trash Location") : _("Can't Copy Trash"), @@ -2176,14 +2148,40 @@ nautilus_file_operations_delete (const G { GList *uri_list; const GList *p; + const char *item_uri; + NautilusFile *file; TransferInfo *transfer_info; uri_list = NULL; for (p = item_uris; p != NULL; p = p->next) { - uri_list = g_list_prepend (uri_list, - gnome_vfs_uri_new ((const char *) p->data)); + item_uri = (const char *) p->data; + + if (eel_uri_is_desktop (item_uri)) { + file = nautilus_file_get_existing (item_uri); + if (file != NULL) { + if (NAUTILUS_IS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE (file)) { + NautilusDesktopLink *link; + + link = nautilus_desktop_icon_file_get_link (NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE (file)); + + nautilus_desktop_link_monitor_delete_link (nautilus_desktop_link_monitor_get (), + link, + parent_view); + + g_object_unref (link); + } + nautilus_file_unref (file); + } + } else { + uri_list = g_list_prepend (uri_list, + gnome_vfs_uri_new (item_uri)); + } } uri_list = g_list_reverse (uri_list); + + if (uri_list == NULL) { + return; + } transfer_info = transfer_info_new (parent_view); Index: libnautilus-private/nautilus-file-utilities.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/libnautilus-private/nautilus-file-utilities.c,v retrieving revision 1.109 diff -u -p -r1.109 nautilus-file-utilities.c --- libnautilus-private/nautilus-file-utilities.c 8 Jul 2002 15:32:06 -0000 1.109 +++ libnautilus-private/nautilus-file-utilities.c 15 May 2003 17:08:05 -0000 @@ -40,7 +40,8 @@ #define NAUTILUS_USER_DIRECTORY_NAME ".nautilus" #define DEFAULT_NAUTILUS_DIRECTORY_MODE (0755) -#define DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_NAME ".gnome-desktop" +#define DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_NAME "Desktop" +#define LEGACY_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_NAME ".gnome-desktop" #define DEFAULT_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_MODE (0755) gboolean @@ -74,7 +75,7 @@ nautilus_get_user_directory (void) user_directory = g_build_filename (g_get_home_dir (), NAUTILUS_USER_DIRECTORY_NAME, NULL); - + if (!g_file_test (user_directory, G_FILE_TEST_EXISTS)) { mkdir (user_directory, DEFAULT_NAUTILUS_DIRECTORY_MODE); /* FIXME bugzilla.gnome.org 41286: @@ -104,7 +105,7 @@ nautilus_get_desktop_directory (void) if (eel_preferences_get_boolean (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_IS_HOME_DIR)) { desktop_directory = g_strdup (g_get_home_dir()); } else { - desktop_directory = nautilus_get_gmc_desktop_directory (); + desktop_directory = g_build_filename (g_get_home_dir (), DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_NAME, NULL); if (!g_file_test (desktop_directory, G_FILE_TEST_EXISTS)) { mkdir (desktop_directory, DEFAULT_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_MODE); /* FIXME bugzilla.gnome.org 41286: @@ -120,6 +121,28 @@ nautilus_get_desktop_directory (void) return desktop_directory; } + +/** + * nautilus_get_desktop_directory_uri: + * + * Get the uri for the directory containing files on the desktop. + * + * Return value: the directory path. + **/ +char * +nautilus_get_desktop_directory_uri (void) +{ + char *desktop_path; + char *desktop_uri; + + desktop_path = nautilus_get_desktop_directory (); + desktop_uri = gnome_vfs_get_uri_from_local_path (desktop_path); + g_free (desktop_path); + + return desktop_uri; +} + + /** * nautilus_get_gmc_desktop_directory: * @@ -130,7 +153,7 @@ nautilus_get_desktop_directory (void) char * nautilus_get_gmc_desktop_directory (void) { - return g_build_filename (g_get_home_dir (), DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_NAME, NULL); + return g_build_filename (g_get_home_dir (), LEGACY_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_NAME, NULL); } /** Index: libnautilus-private/nautilus-file-utilities.h =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/libnautilus-private/nautilus-file-utilities.h,v retrieving revision 1.46 diff -u -p -r1.46 nautilus-file-utilities.h --- libnautilus-private/nautilus-file-utilities.h 8 Jul 2002 15:32:06 -0000 1.46 +++ libnautilus-private/nautilus-file-utilities.h 15 May 2003 17:08:05 -0000 @@ -36,6 +36,7 @@ gboolean nautilus_file_name_matches_back */ char * nautilus_get_user_directory (void); char * nautilus_get_desktop_directory (void); +char * nautilus_get_desktop_directory_uri (void); char * nautilus_get_gmc_desktop_directory (void); char * nautilus_get_pixmap_directory (void); Index: libnautilus-private/nautilus-file.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/libnautilus-private/nautilus-file.c,v retrieving revision 1.316 diff -u -p -r1.316 nautilus-file.c --- libnautilus-private/nautilus-file.c 2 Apr 2003 11:50:54 -0000 1.316 +++ libnautilus-private/nautilus-file.c 15 May 2003 17:08:06 -0000 @@ -28,6 +28,9 @@ #include "nautilus-directory-metafile.h" #include "nautilus-directory-notify.h" #include "nautilus-directory-private.h" +#include "nautilus-desktop-directory.h" +#include "nautilus-desktop-directory-file.h" +#include "nautilus-desktop-icon-file.h" #include "nautilus-file-attributes.h" #include "nautilus-file-private.h" #include "nautilus-file-utilities.h" @@ -136,6 +139,13 @@ nautilus_file_new_from_relative_uri (Nau if (self_owned && NAUTILUS_IS_TRASH_DIRECTORY (directory)) { file = NAUTILUS_FILE (g_object_new (NAUTILUS_TYPE_TRASH_FILE, NULL)); + } else if (NAUTILUS_IS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY (directory)) { + if (self_owned) { + file = NAUTILUS_FILE (g_object_new (NAUTILUS_TYPE_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY_FILE, NULL)); + } else { + file = NULL; + g_assert_not_reached (); + } } else { file = NAUTILUS_FILE (g_object_new (NAUTILUS_TYPE_VFS_FILE, NULL)); } @@ -272,6 +282,7 @@ static NautilusFile * nautilus_file_get_internal (const char *uri, gboolean create) { char *canonical_uri, *directory_uri, *relative_uri, *file_name; + const char *relative_uri_tmp; gboolean self_owned; GnomeVFSURI *vfs_uri, *directory_vfs_uri; NautilusDirectory *directory; @@ -302,24 +313,29 @@ nautilus_file_get_internal (const char * } } + self_owned = FALSE; + directory_uri = NULL; + /* Make VFS version of directory URI. */ if (vfs_uri == NULL) { - directory_vfs_uri = NULL; + if (eel_uri_is_desktop (uri) && + strcmp (uri, EEL_DESKTOP_URI) != 0) { + directory_uri = g_strdup (EEL_DESKTOP_URI); + } } else { directory_vfs_uri = gnome_vfs_uri_get_parent (vfs_uri); + if (directory_vfs_uri != NULL) { + directory_uri = gnome_vfs_uri_to_string + (directory_vfs_uri, + GNOME_VFS_URI_HIDE_NONE); + gnome_vfs_uri_unref (directory_vfs_uri); + } gnome_vfs_uri_unref (vfs_uri); } - - self_owned = directory_vfs_uri == NULL; - if (self_owned) { - /* Use the item itself if we have no parent. */ + + if (directory_uri == NULL) { + self_owned = TRUE; directory_uri = g_strdup (canonical_uri); - } else { - /* Make text version of directory URI. */ - directory_uri = gnome_vfs_uri_to_string - (directory_vfs_uri, - GNOME_VFS_URI_HIDE_NONE); - gnome_vfs_uri_unref (directory_vfs_uri); } /* Get object that represents the directory. */ @@ -328,11 +344,19 @@ nautilus_file_get_internal (const char * /* Get the name for the file. */ if (vfs_uri == NULL) { - g_assert (self_owned); - if (directory != NULL) { + if (self_owned && directory != NULL) { file_name = nautilus_directory_get_name_for_self_as_new_file (directory); relative_uri = gnome_vfs_escape_string (file_name); g_free (file_name); + } else if (eel_uri_is_desktop (uri)) { + /* Special case desktop files here. They have no vfs_uri */ + relative_uri_tmp = uri + strlen (EEL_DESKTOP_URI); + while (*relative_uri_tmp == '/') { + relative_uri_tmp++; + } + relative_uri = strdup (relative_uri_tmp); + } else { + g_assert_not_reached (); } } @@ -746,7 +770,7 @@ nautilus_file_can_rename (NautilusFile * { NautilusFile *parent; gboolean can_rename; - char *uri, *path; + char *uri; g_return_val_if_fail (NAUTILUS_IS_FILE (file), FALSE); @@ -767,23 +791,15 @@ nautilus_file_can_rename (NautilusFile * can_rename = TRUE; uri = nautilus_file_get_uri (file); - path = gnome_vfs_get_local_path_from_uri (uri); /* Certain types of links can't be renamed */ - if (path != NULL && nautilus_file_is_nautilus_link (file)) { - /* FIXME: This reads the link file every time -- seems - * bad to do that even though it's known to be local. - */ - switch (nautilus_link_local_get_link_type (path, file->details->info)) { - case NAUTILUS_LINK_TRASH: - case NAUTILUS_LINK_MOUNT: - can_rename = FALSE; - break; - - case NAUTILUS_LINK_HOME: - case NAUTILUS_LINK_GENERIC: - break; - } + if (NAUTILUS_IS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE (file)) { + NautilusDesktopLink *link; + + link = nautilus_desktop_icon_file_get_link (NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE (file)); + + can_rename = nautilus_desktop_link_can_rename (link); + g_object_unref (link); } /* Nautilus trash directories cannot be renamed */ @@ -792,7 +808,6 @@ nautilus_file_can_rename (NautilusFile * } g_free (uri); - g_free (path); if (!can_rename) { return FALSE; @@ -1047,6 +1062,22 @@ rename_guts (NautilusFile *file, (* callback) (file, GNOME_VFS_ERROR_NOT_SUPPORTED, callback_data); return; } + + + if (NAUTILUS_IS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE (file)) { + NautilusDesktopLink *link; + + link = nautilus_desktop_icon_file_get_link (NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE (file)); + + if (nautilus_desktop_link_rename (link, new_name)) { + (* callback) (file, GNOME_VFS_OK, callback_data); + } else { + (* callback) (file, GNOME_VFS_ERROR_GENERIC, callback_data); + } + + g_object_unref (link); + return; + } if (is_local_desktop_file) { /* Don't actually change the name if the new name is the same. @@ -2069,7 +2100,7 @@ nautilus_file_is_in_desktop (NautilusFil /* This handles visiting other people's desktops, but it can arguably * be said that this might break and that we should lookup the passwd table. */ - return strstr (file->details->directory->details->uri, "/.gnome-desktop") != NULL; + return strstr (file->details->directory->details->uri, "/Desktop") != NULL; } static gboolean @@ -2451,11 +2482,22 @@ char * nautilus_file_get_drop_target_uri (NautilusFile *file) { char *uri, *target_uri; + NautilusDesktopLink *link; g_return_val_if_fail (NAUTILUS_IS_FILE (file), NULL); + if (NAUTILUS_IS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE (file)) { + link = nautilus_desktop_icon_file_get_link (NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE (file)); + + uri = nautilus_desktop_link_get_activation_uri (link); + g_object_unref (link); + if (uri != NULL) { + return uri; + } + } + uri = nautilus_file_get_uri (file); - + /* Check for Nautilus link */ if (nautilus_file_is_nautilus_link (file)) { /* FIXME bugzilla.gnome.org 43020: This does sync. I/O and works only locally. */ @@ -2512,7 +2554,6 @@ nautilus_file_get_uri (NautilusFile *fil } return g_strconcat (file->details->directory->details->uri, - "/", file->details->relative_uri, NULL); } Index: libnautilus-private/nautilus-global-preferences.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/libnautilus-private/nautilus-global-preferences.c,v retrieving revision 1.208 diff -u -p -r1.208 nautilus-global-preferences.c --- libnautilus-private/nautilus-global-preferences.c 14 Mar 2003 17:48:44 -0000 1.208 +++ libnautilus-private/nautilus-global-preferences.c 15 May 2003 17:08:06 -0000 @@ -55,6 +55,8 @@ static gpointer default_font_callback static gpointer default_home_location_callback (void); static gpointer default_default_folder_viewer_callback (void); static void import_old_preferences_if_needed (void); +static gpointer default_home_link_name (void); +static gpointer default_trash_link_name (void); /* An enumeration used for installing type specific preferences defaults. */ typedef enum @@ -491,6 +493,29 @@ static const PreferenceDefault preferenc "default_zoom_level" }, + /* Desktop Preferences */ + { NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_HOME_VISIBLE, + PREFERENCE_BOOLEAN, + GINT_TO_POINTER (TRUE) + }, + + { NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_HOME_NAME, + PREFERENCE_STRING, + NULL, + default_home_link_name, g_free, + }, + + { NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_TRASH_VISIBLE, + PREFERENCE_BOOLEAN, + GINT_TO_POINTER (TRUE) + }, + + { NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_TRASH_NAME, + PREFERENCE_STRING, + NULL, + default_trash_link_name, g_free, + }, + /* non-visible preferences */ { NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_ADD_TO_SESSION, PREFERENCE_BOOLEAN, @@ -499,6 +524,28 @@ static const PreferenceDefault preferenc { NULL } }; + +static gpointer +default_home_link_name (void) +{ + /* Note to translators: If it's hard to compose a good home + * icon name from the user name, you can use a string without + * an "%s" here, in which case the home icon name will not + * include the user's name, which should be fine. To avoid a + * warning, put "%.0s" somewhere in the string, which will + * match the user name string passed by the C code, but not + * put the user name in the final string. + */ + return g_strdup_printf (_("%s's Home"), g_get_user_name ()); +} + +static gpointer +default_trash_link_name (void) +{ + return g_strdup (_("Trash")); +} + + /** * global_preferences_register_enumerations Index: libnautilus-private/nautilus-global-preferences.h =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/libnautilus-private/nautilus-global-preferences.h,v retrieving revision 1.116 diff -u -p -r1.116 nautilus-global-preferences.h --- libnautilus-private/nautilus-global-preferences.h 2 Mar 2003 02:34:52 -0000 1.116 +++ libnautilus-private/nautilus-global-preferences.h 15 May 2003 17:08:06 -0000 @@ -167,6 +167,11 @@ typedef enum /* Gnome session management */ #define NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_ADD_TO_SESSION "preferences/add_to_session" +#define NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_HOME_VISIBLE "desktop/home_icon_visible" +#define NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_HOME_NAME "desktop/home_icon_name" +#define NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_TRASH_VISIBLE "desktop/trash_icon_visible" +#define NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_TRASH_NAME "desktop/trash_icon_name" + void nautilus_global_preferences_init (void); void nautilus_global_preferences_init_with_folder_browsing (void); void nautilus_global_preferences_set_default_folder_viewer (const char *iid); Index: libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-container.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-container.c,v retrieving revision 1.340 diff -u -p -r1.340 nautilus-icon-container.c --- libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-container.c 3 May 2003 23:23:30 -0000 1.340 +++ libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-container.c 15 May 2003 17:08:07 -0000 @@ -1477,7 +1477,9 @@ lay_down_icons_tblr (NautilusIconContain } /* Check and see if we need to move to a new column */ - if (y != DESKTOP_PAD_VERTICAL && y > height - icon_height) { + if (y != DESKTOP_PAD_VERTICAL && y > height - icon_height && + /* Make sure we lay out at least one icon per column, to make progress */ + p != icons) { x += column_width + DESKTOP_PAD_HORIZONTAL; break; } Index: libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-dnd.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-dnd.c,v retrieving revision 1.131 diff -u -p -r1.131 nautilus-icon-dnd.c --- libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-dnd.c 3 May 2003 23:23:30 -0000 1.131 +++ libnautilus-private/nautilus-icon-dnd.c 15 May 2003 17:08:07 -0000 @@ -57,6 +57,7 @@ #include #include #include +#include #include #include @@ -513,6 +514,8 @@ nautilus_icon_container_selection_items_ * would not work for it. */ result = nautilus_drag_items_in_trash (items); + } else if (eel_uri_is_desktop (container_uri_string)) { + result = nautilus_drag_items_on_desktop (items); } else { result = nautilus_drag_items_local (container_uri_string, items); } @@ -831,6 +834,7 @@ handle_nonlocal_move (NautilusIconContai { GList *source_uris, *p; GArray *source_item_locations; + gboolean free_target_uri; int index; if (container->details->dnd_info->drag_info.selection_list == NULL) { @@ -860,7 +864,14 @@ handle_nonlocal_move (NautilusIconContai ((NautilusDragSelectionItem *)p->data)->icon_y; } } - + + free_target_uri = FALSE; + /* Rewrite internal desktop URIs to the normal target uri */ + if (eel_uri_is_desktop (target_uri)) { + target_uri = nautilus_get_desktop_directory_uri (); + free_target_uri = TRUE; + } + /* start the copy */ g_signal_emit_by_name (container, "move_copy_items", source_uris, @@ -868,6 +879,10 @@ handle_nonlocal_move (NautilusIconContai target_uri, context->action, x, y); + + if (free_target_uri) { + g_free ((char *)target_uri); + } g_list_free (source_uris); g_array_free (source_item_locations, TRUE); Index: src/Nautilus_shell.server.in =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/Nautilus_shell.server.in,v retrieving revision 1.22 diff -u -p -r1.22 Nautilus_shell.server.in --- src/Nautilus_shell.server.in 14 Jan 2003 18:29:45 -0000 1.22 +++ src/Nautilus_shell.server.in 15 May 2003 17:08:07 -0000 @@ -25,6 +25,7 @@ + @@ -41,6 +42,9 @@ + + + Index: src/nautilus-application.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/nautilus-application.c,v retrieving revision 1.197 diff -u -p -r1.197 nautilus-application.c --- src/nautilus-application.c 2 Oct 2002 05:36:51 -0000 1.197 +++ src/nautilus-application.c 15 May 2003 17:08:07 -0000 @@ -66,6 +66,7 @@ #include #include #include +#include #include /* Needed for the is_kdesktop_present check */ @@ -372,6 +373,9 @@ finish_startup (NautilusApplication *app /* Make the desktop work with old Nautilus. */ migrate_old_nautilus_files (); + + /* Initialize the desktop link monitor singleton */ + nautilus_desktop_link_monitor_get (); } void Index: src/nautilus-desktop-window.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/nautilus-desktop-window.c,v retrieving revision 1.55 diff -u -p -r1.55 nautilus-desktop-window.c --- src/nautilus-desktop-window.c 31 Oct 2002 08:37:30 -0000 1.55 +++ src/nautilus-desktop-window.c 15 May 2003 17:08:07 -0000 @@ -28,6 +28,7 @@ #include #include #include +#include #include #include #include @@ -65,18 +66,10 @@ nautilus_desktop_window_delete_event (Na void nautilus_desktop_window_update_directory (NautilusDesktopWindow *window) { - char *desktop_directory_path; - char *desktop_directory_uri; - g_assert (NAUTILUS_IS_DESKTOP_WINDOW (window)); - - desktop_directory_path = nautilus_get_desktop_directory (); - desktop_directory_uri = gnome_vfs_get_uri_from_local_path (desktop_directory_path); - g_free (desktop_directory_path); window->affect_desktop_on_next_location_change = TRUE; - nautilus_window_go_to (NAUTILUS_WINDOW (window), desktop_directory_uri); - g_free (desktop_directory_uri); + nautilus_window_go_to (NAUTILUS_WINDOW (window), EEL_DESKTOP_URI); } static void Index: src/file-manager/fm-desktop-icon-view.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/file-manager/fm-desktop-icon-view.c,v retrieving revision 1.203 diff -u -p -r1.203 fm-desktop-icon-view.c --- src/file-manager/fm-desktop-icon-view.c 3 May 2003 23:23:31 -0000 1.203 +++ src/file-manager/fm-desktop-icon-view.c 15 May 2003 17:08:08 -0000 @@ -47,6 +47,7 @@ #include #include #include +#include #include #include #include @@ -68,9 +69,6 @@ #include #include -static const char untranslated_trash_link_name[] = N_("Trash"); -#define TRASH_LINK_NAME _(untranslated_trash_link_name) - #define DESKTOP_COMMAND_EMPTY_TRASH_CONDITIONAL "/commands/Empty Trash Conditional" #define DESKTOP_COMMAND_UNMOUNT_VOLUME_CONDITIONAL "/commands/Unmount Volume Conditional" #define DESKTOP_COMMAND_PROTECT_VOLUME_CONDITIONAL "/commands/Protect Conditional" @@ -85,7 +83,6 @@ static const char untranslated_trash_lin struct FMDesktopIconViewDetails { BonoboUIComponent *ui; - GList *mount_black_list; GdkWindow *root_window; /* For the desktop rescanning @@ -100,40 +97,22 @@ typedef struct { char *mount_path; } MountParameters; -typedef enum { - DELETE_MOUNT_LINKS = 1<<0, - UPDATE_HOME_LINK = 1<<1, - UPDATE_TRASH_LINK = 1<<2 -} UpdateType; - static void fm_desktop_icon_view_init (FMDesktopIconView *desktop_icon_view); static void fm_desktop_icon_view_class_init (FMDesktopIconViewClass *klass); -static void fm_desktop_icon_view_trash_state_changed_callback (NautilusTrashMonitor *trash, - gboolean state, - gpointer callback_data); -static void home_uri_changed (gpointer user_data); static void default_zoom_level_changed (gpointer user_data); -static void volume_mounted_callback (NautilusVolumeMonitor *monitor, - NautilusVolume *volume, - FMDesktopIconView *icon_view); -static void volume_unmounted_callback (NautilusVolumeMonitor *monitor, - NautilusVolume *volume, - FMDesktopIconView *icon_view); -static void update_desktop_directory (UpdateType type); static gboolean real_supports_auto_layout (FMIconView *view); static gboolean real_supports_keep_aligned (FMIconView *view); static void real_merge_menus (FMDirectoryView *view); static void real_update_menus (FMDirectoryView *view); static gboolean real_supports_zooming (FMDirectoryView *view); static void update_disks_menu (FMDesktopIconView *view); -static void free_volume_black_list (FMDesktopIconView *view); static gboolean volume_link_is_selection (FMDirectoryView *view); static NautilusDeviceType volume_link_device_type (FMDirectoryView *view); static void fm_desktop_icon_view_update_icon_container_fonts (FMDesktopIconView *view); EEL_CLASS_BOILERPLATE (FMDesktopIconView, - fm_desktop_icon_view, - FM_TYPE_ICON_VIEW) + fm_desktop_icon_view, + FM_TYPE_ICON_VIEW) static char *desktop_directory; static time_t desktop_dir_modify_time; @@ -267,12 +246,6 @@ fm_desktop_icon_view_finalize (GObject * g_source_remove (icon_view->details->reload_desktop_timeout); } - /* Delete all of the link files. */ - update_desktop_directory (DELETE_MOUNT_LINKS); - - eel_preferences_remove_callback (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_HOME_URI, - home_uri_changed, - icon_view); eel_preferences_remove_callback (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_ICON_VIEW_DEFAULT_ZOOM_LEVEL, default_zoom_level_changed, icon_view); @@ -284,8 +257,6 @@ fm_desktop_icon_view_finalize (GObject * icon_view->details->ui = NULL; } - free_volume_black_list (icon_view); - g_free (icon_view->details); G_OBJECT_CLASS (parent_class)->finalize (object); @@ -344,156 +315,6 @@ fm_desktop_icon_view_handle_middle_click } static void -free_volume_black_list (FMDesktopIconView *icon_view) -{ - eel_g_list_free_deep (icon_view->details->mount_black_list); - icon_view->details->mount_black_list = NULL; -} - -static gboolean -volume_in_black_list (FMDesktopIconView *icon_view, - const NautilusVolume *volume) -{ - GList *p; - - g_return_val_if_fail (FM_IS_DESKTOP_ICON_VIEW (icon_view), TRUE); - - for (p = icon_view->details->mount_black_list; p != NULL; p = p->next) { - if (strcmp ((char *) p->data, nautilus_volume_get_mount_path (volume)) == 0) { - return TRUE; - } - } - - return FALSE; -} - - -static char * -create_unique_volume_name (const NautilusVolume *volume) -{ - GnomeVFSURI *uri; - char *uri_path, *new_name; - int index; - char *volume_name, *original_volume_name; - - new_name = NULL; - - /* Start with an index of one. If we collide, the file collided with will be the actual - * number one. We will rename with the next available number. - */ - index = 1; - - volume_name = nautilus_volume_get_name (volume); - - uri_path = g_strdup_printf ("%s/%s", desktop_directory, volume_name); - uri = gnome_vfs_uri_new (uri_path); - - /* Check for existing filename and create a unique name. */ - while (gnome_vfs_uri_exists (uri)) { - gnome_vfs_uri_unref (uri); - g_free (uri_path); - - index++; - - g_free (new_name); - new_name = g_strdup_printf ("%s (%d)", volume_name, index); - - uri_path = g_strdup_printf ("%s/%s", desktop_directory, new_name); - uri = gnome_vfs_uri_new (uri_path); - } - - if (new_name != NULL) { - g_free (volume_name); - volume_name = new_name; - } - - original_volume_name = nautilus_volume_get_name (volume); - if (strcmp (volume_name, original_volume_name) != 0) { - nautilus_volume_monitor_set_volume_name (nautilus_volume_monitor_get (), - volume, volume_name); - } - g_free (original_volume_name); - - gnome_vfs_uri_unref (uri); - g_free (uri_path); - - return volume_name; -} - -static void -create_mount_link (FMDesktopIconView *icon_view, - const NautilusVolume *volume) -{ - char *target_uri, *volume_name; - const char *icon_name; - - if (volume_in_black_list (icon_view, volume)) { - return; - } - - /* FIXME bugzilla.gnome.org 45412: Design a comprehensive desktop mounting strategy */ - if (!nautilus_volume_is_removable (volume)) { - return; - } - - /* Get icon type */ - icon_name = "gnome-dev-harddisk"; - switch (nautilus_volume_get_device_type (volume)) { - case NAUTILUS_DEVICE_AUDIO_CD: - case NAUTILUS_DEVICE_CDROM_DRIVE: - icon_name = "gnome-dev-cdrom"; - break; - - case NAUTILUS_DEVICE_FLOPPY_DRIVE: - icon_name = "gnome-dev-floppy"; - break; - - case NAUTILUS_DEVICE_JAZ_DRIVE: - icon_name = "gnome-dev-jazdisk"; - break; - - case NAUTILUS_DEVICE_MEMORY_STICK: - icon_name = "gnome-dev-memory"; - break; - - case NAUTILUS_DEVICE_NFS: - icon_name = "gnome-fs-nfs"; - break; - - case NAUTILUS_DEVICE_SMB: - icon_name = "gnome-fs-smb"; - break; - - case NAUTILUS_DEVICE_ZIP_DRIVE: - icon_name = "gnome-dev-zipdisk"; - break; - - case NAUTILUS_DEVICE_APPLE: - case NAUTILUS_DEVICE_WINDOWS: - case NAUTILUS_DEVICE_CAMERA: - case NAUTILUS_DEVICE_UNKNOWN: - break; - } - - target_uri = nautilus_volume_get_target_uri (volume); - - volume_name = create_unique_volume_name (volume); - - /* Create link */ - nautilus_link_local_create (desktop_directory, volume_name, icon_name, target_uri, NULL, NAUTILUS_LINK_MOUNT); - - g_free (target_uri); - g_free (volume_name); -} - -static gboolean -create_one_mount_link (const NautilusVolume *volume, gpointer callback_data) -{ - create_mount_link (FM_DESKTOP_ICON_VIEW (callback_data), volume); - return TRUE; -} - -static void unrealized_callback (GtkWidget *widget, FMDesktopIconView *desktop_icon_view) { g_return_if_fail (desktop_icon_view->details->root_window != NULL); @@ -554,13 +375,6 @@ default_zoom_level_changed (gpointer use new_level); } -/* Update home link to point to new home uri */ -static void -home_uri_changed (gpointer callback_data) -{ - update_desktop_directory (UPDATE_HOME_LINK); -} - static gboolean do_desktop_rescan (gpointer data) { @@ -650,7 +464,6 @@ fm_desktop_icon_view_update_icon_contain static void fm_desktop_icon_view_init (FMDesktopIconView *desktop_icon_view) { - GList *list; NautilusIconContainer *icon_container; GtkAllocation *allocation; GtkAdjustment *hadj, *vadj; @@ -682,11 +495,6 @@ fm_desktop_icon_view_init (FMDesktopIcon nautilus_icon_container_set_is_fixed_size (icon_container, TRUE); nautilus_icon_container_set_is_desktop (icon_container, TRUE); - /* Set up default mount black list */ - list = g_list_prepend (NULL, g_strdup ("/proc")); - list = g_list_prepend (list, g_strdup ("/boot")); - desktop_icon_view->details->mount_black_list = list; - /* Set allocation to be at 0, 0 */ allocation = >K_WIDGET (icon_container)->allocation; allocation->x = 0; @@ -707,30 +515,13 @@ fm_desktop_icon_view_init (FMDesktopIcon nautilus_icon_container_set_layout_mode (icon_container, NAUTILUS_ICON_LAYOUT_T_B_L_R); - update_desktop_directory (DELETE_MOUNT_LINKS | UPDATE_HOME_LINK | UPDATE_TRASH_LINK); - - /* Create initial mount links */ - nautilus_volume_monitor_each_mounted_volume (nautilus_volume_monitor_get (), - create_one_mount_link, - desktop_icon_view); - g_signal_connect_object (icon_container, "middle_click", G_CALLBACK (fm_desktop_icon_view_handle_middle_click), desktop_icon_view, 0); - g_signal_connect_object (nautilus_trash_monitor_get (), "trash_state_changed", - G_CALLBACK (fm_desktop_icon_view_trash_state_changed_callback), desktop_icon_view, 0); - g_signal_connect_object (nautilus_volume_monitor_get (), "volume_mounted", - G_CALLBACK (volume_mounted_callback), desktop_icon_view, 0); - g_signal_connect_object (nautilus_volume_monitor_get (), "volume_unmounted", - G_CALLBACK (volume_unmounted_callback), desktop_icon_view, 0); g_signal_connect_object (desktop_icon_view, "realize", G_CALLBACK (realized_callback), desktop_icon_view, 0); g_signal_connect_object (desktop_icon_view, "unrealize", G_CALLBACK (unrealized_callback), desktop_icon_view, 0); - eel_preferences_add_callback (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_HOME_URI, - home_uri_changed, - desktop_icon_view); - eel_preferences_add_callback (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_ICON_VIEW_DEFAULT_ZOOM_LEVEL, default_zoom_level_changed, desktop_icon_view); @@ -852,8 +643,7 @@ static void volume_ops_callback (BonoboUIComponent *component, gpointer data, const char *verb) { FMDirectoryView *view; - NautilusFile *file; - char *uri, *mount_uri, *mount_path; + char *mount_path; GList *selection; char *command; const char *device_path; @@ -864,6 +654,7 @@ volume_ops_callback (BonoboUIComponent * GError *error; GtkWidget *dialog; GdkScreen *screen; + NautilusDesktopLink *link; g_assert (FM_IS_DIRECTORY_VIEW (data)); @@ -874,25 +665,16 @@ volume_ops_callback (BonoboUIComponent * } selection = fm_directory_view_get_selection (view); + + link = nautilus_desktop_icon_file_get_link (NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE (selection->data)); + mount_path = nautilus_desktop_link_get_mount_path (link); + g_object_unref (link); - file = NAUTILUS_FILE (selection->data); - - uri = nautilus_file_get_uri (file); - if (!eel_str_has_prefix (uri, "file:")) { - /* Don't allow volume ops on remote uris */ - g_free (uri); - nautilus_file_list_free (selection); - return; - } - - mount_uri = nautilus_link_local_get_link_uri (uri); - mount_path = gnome_vfs_get_local_path_from_uri (mount_uri); - g_free (uri); - g_free (mount_uri); if (mount_path == NULL) { nautilus_file_list_free (selection); return; } + volume = nautilus_volume_monitor_get_volume_for_path (nautilus_volume_monitor_get (), mount_path); device_path = nautilus_volume_get_device_path (volume); @@ -976,23 +758,20 @@ static gboolean trash_link_is_selection (FMDirectoryView *view) { GList *selection; + NautilusDesktopLink *link; gboolean result; - char *uri; result = FALSE; selection = fm_directory_view_get_selection (view); - if (eel_g_list_exactly_one_item (selection) - && nautilus_file_is_nautilus_link (NAUTILUS_FILE (selection->data))) { - uri = nautilus_file_get_uri (NAUTILUS_FILE (selection->data)); - /* It's probably OK that this only works for local - * items, since the trash we care about is on the desktop. - */ - if (nautilus_link_local_is_trash_link (uri, NULL)) { + if (eel_g_list_exactly_one_item (selection) && + NAUTILUS_IS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE (selection->data)) { + link = nautilus_desktop_icon_file_get_link (NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE (selection->data)); + if (nautilus_desktop_link_get_link_type (link) == NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_TRASH) { result = TRUE; } - g_free (uri); + g_object_unref (link); } nautilus_file_list_free (selection); @@ -1004,23 +783,20 @@ static gboolean volume_link_is_selection (FMDirectoryView *view) { GList *selection; + NautilusDesktopLink *link; gboolean result; - char *uri; result = FALSE; selection = fm_directory_view_get_selection (view); - if (eel_g_list_exactly_one_item (selection) - && nautilus_file_is_nautilus_link (NAUTILUS_FILE (selection->data))) { - uri = nautilus_file_get_uri (NAUTILUS_FILE (selection->data)); - /* It's probably OK that this only works for local - * items, since the volume we care about is on the desktop. - */ - if (nautilus_link_local_is_volume_link (uri, NULL)) { + if (eel_g_list_exactly_one_item (selection) && + NAUTILUS_IS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE (selection->data)) { + link = nautilus_desktop_icon_file_get_link (NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE (selection->data)); + if (nautilus_desktop_link_get_link_type (link) == NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_VOLUME) { result = TRUE; } - g_free (uri); + g_object_unref (link); } nautilus_file_list_free (selection); @@ -1036,8 +812,9 @@ static NautilusDeviceType volume_link_device_type (FMDirectoryView *view) { GList *selection; - gchar *uri, *mount_uri, *mount_path; + gchar *mount_path; NautilusVolume *volume; + NautilusDesktopLink *link; selection = fm_directory_view_get_selection (view); @@ -1045,18 +822,12 @@ volume_link_device_type (FMDirectoryView return NAUTILUS_DEVICE_UNKNOWN; } - volume = NULL; - - uri = nautilus_file_get_uri (NAUTILUS_FILE (selection->data)); - mount_uri = nautilus_link_local_get_link_uri (uri); - mount_path = gnome_vfs_get_local_path_from_uri (mount_uri); - if(mount_path != NULL) { - volume = nautilus_volume_monitor_get_volume_for_path (nautilus_volume_monitor_get (), mount_path); - g_free (mount_path); - } - g_free (mount_uri); - g_free (uri); + link = nautilus_desktop_icon_file_get_link (NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE (selection->data)); + mount_path = nautilus_desktop_link_get_mount_path (link); + volume = nautilus_volume_monitor_get_volume_for_path (nautilus_volume_monitor_get (), mount_path); + g_free (mount_path); nautilus_file_list_free (selection); + g_object_unref (link); if (volume != NULL) return nautilus_volume_get_device_type (volume); @@ -1064,72 +835,6 @@ volume_link_device_type (FMDirectoryView return NAUTILUS_DEVICE_UNKNOWN; } - -static void -fm_desktop_icon_view_trash_state_changed_callback (NautilusTrashMonitor *trash_monitor, - gboolean state, - gpointer callback_data) -{ - char *path; - - path = g_build_filename (desktop_directory, TRASH_LINK_NAME, NULL); - - nautilus_link_local_set_icon (path, state ? "gnome-fs-trash-empty" : "gnome-fs-trash-full"); - - g_free (path); -} - -static void -volume_mounted_callback (NautilusVolumeMonitor *monitor, - NautilusVolume *volume, - FMDesktopIconView *icon_view) -{ - create_mount_link (icon_view, volume); -} - -static void -unlink_and_notify (const char *path) -{ - char *uri, *unescaped_uri; - GList one_item_list; - - unlink (path); - - uri = gnome_vfs_get_uri_from_local_path (path); - if (uri == NULL) { - return; - } - - unescaped_uri = gnome_vfs_unescape_string (uri, NULL); - g_free (uri); - - one_item_list.data = unescaped_uri; - one_item_list.next = NULL; - one_item_list.prev = NULL; - nautilus_directory_notify_files_removed (&one_item_list); -} - -static void -volume_unmounted_callback (NautilusVolumeMonitor *monitor, - NautilusVolume *volume, - FMDesktopIconView *icon_view) -{ - char *link_path, *volume_name; - - g_assert (volume != NULL); - - volume_name = nautilus_volume_get_name (volume); - if (volume_name == NULL) { - return; - } - - link_path = g_build_filename (desktop_directory, volume_name, NULL); - unlink_and_notify (link_path); - - g_free (volume_name); - g_free (link_path); -} - static MountParameters * mount_parameters_new (FMDesktopIconView *view, const char *mount_path) { @@ -1488,128 +1193,3 @@ real_supports_zooming (FMDirectoryView * */ return FALSE; } - -/* update_desktop_directory - * - * Look for a particular type of link on the desktop. If the right - * link is there, update its target URI. Delete any extra links of - * that type. - */ -static void -update_desktop_directory (UpdateType type) -{ - char *link_path; - GnomeVFSResult result; - GList *desktop_files, *l; - GnomeVFSFileInfo *info; - - char *home_uri = NULL; - char *home_link_name = NULL; - gboolean found_home_link; - gboolean found_trash_link; - - if (type & UPDATE_HOME_LINK) { - /* Note to translators: If it's hard to compose a good home - * icon name from the user name, you can use a string without - * an "%s" here, in which case the home icon name will not - * include the user's name, which should be fine. To avoid a - * warning, put "%.0s" somewhere in the string, which will - * match the user name string passed by the C code, but not - * put the user name in the final string. - */ - home_link_name = g_strdup_printf (_("%s's Home"), g_get_user_name ()); - -#ifdef WEB_NAVIGATION_ENABLED - home_uri = eel_preferences_get (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_HOME_URI); -#else - home_uri = gnome_vfs_get_uri_from_local_path (g_get_home_dir ()); -#endif - } - - result = gnome_vfs_directory_list_load - (&desktop_files, desktop_directory, - GNOME_VFS_FILE_INFO_GET_MIME_TYPE | - GNOME_VFS_FILE_INFO_FOLLOW_LINKS); - - found_home_link = found_trash_link = FALSE; - - if (result != GNOME_VFS_OK) { - desktop_files = NULL; - } - - for (l = desktop_files; l; l = l->next) { - info = l->data; - - if (info->valid_fields & GNOME_VFS_FILE_INFO_FIELDS_TYPE && - info->type != GNOME_VFS_FILE_TYPE_REGULAR && - info->type != GNOME_VFS_FILE_TYPE_SYMBOLIC_LINK) { - continue; - } - - link_path = g_build_filename (desktop_directory, info->name, NULL); - - - if (type & DELETE_MOUNT_LINKS && - nautilus_link_local_is_volume_link (link_path, info)) { - unlink_and_notify (link_path); - } - - - if (type & UPDATE_HOME_LINK && - nautilus_link_local_is_home_link (link_path, info)) { - if (!found_home_link && - nautilus_link_local_is_utf8 (link_path, info)) { - nautilus_link_local_set_link_uri (link_path, home_uri); - nautilus_link_local_set_icon (link_path, "gnome-fs-home"); - found_home_link = TRUE; - } else { - unlink_and_notify (link_path); /* kill duplicates */ - } - } - - if (type & UPDATE_TRASH_LINK && - nautilus_link_local_is_trash_link (link_path, info)) { - if (!found_trash_link && - nautilus_link_local_is_utf8 (link_path, info) && - !strcmp (TRASH_LINK_NAME, info->name)) { - nautilus_link_local_set_link_uri (link_path, EEL_TRASH_URI); - found_trash_link = TRUE; - } else { - unlink_and_notify (link_path); /* kill duplicates */ - } - } - g_free (link_path); - } - - gnome_vfs_file_info_list_free (desktop_files); - - if (type & UPDATE_HOME_LINK && !found_home_link && - !eel_preferences_get_boolean (NAUTILUS_PREFERENCES_DESKTOP_IS_HOME_DIR)) { - nautilus_link_local_create (desktop_directory, - home_link_name, - "gnome-fs-home", - home_uri, - NULL, - NAUTILUS_LINK_HOME); - } - - if (type & UPDATE_TRASH_LINK) { - if (!found_trash_link) { - nautilus_link_local_create (desktop_directory, - TRASH_LINK_NAME, - "gnome-fs-trash-empty", - EEL_TRASH_URI, - NULL, - NAUTILUS_LINK_TRASH); - } - - /* Make sure link represents current trash state */ - fm_desktop_icon_view_trash_state_changed_callback (nautilus_trash_monitor_get (), - nautilus_trash_monitor_is_empty (), - NULL); - } - - g_free (home_link_name); - g_free (home_uri); -} - Index: src/file-manager/fm-directory-view.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/file-manager/fm-directory-view.c,v retrieving revision 1.574 diff -u -p -r1.574 fm-directory-view.c --- src/file-manager/fm-directory-view.c 29 Apr 2003 07:30:19 -0000 1.574 +++ src/file-manager/fm-directory-view.c 15 May 2003 17:08:09 -0000 @@ -68,6 +68,8 @@ #include #include #include +#include +#include #include #include #include @@ -992,7 +994,7 @@ new_launcher_callback (BonoboUIComponent view = FM_DIRECTORY_VIEW (callback_data); - parent_uri = fm_directory_view_get_uri (view); + parent_uri = fm_directory_view_get_backing_uri (view); nautilus_launch_application_from_command (gtk_widget_get_screen (GTK_WIDGET (view)), "gnome-desktop-item-edit", @@ -2314,7 +2316,7 @@ display_pending_idle_callback (gpointer { gboolean ret; FMDirectoryView *view; - + view = FM_DIRECTORY_VIEW (data); g_object_ref (G_OBJECT (view)); @@ -2474,7 +2476,7 @@ done_loading_callback (NautilusDirectory gpointer callback_data) { FMDirectoryView *view; - + view = FM_DIRECTORY_VIEW (callback_data); process_new_files (view); @@ -2946,7 +2948,7 @@ fm_directory_view_duplicate_selection (F * * Return TRUE if one of our special links is in the selection. * Special links include the following: - * NAUTILUS_LINK_TRASH, NAUTILUS_LINK_HOME, NAUTILUS_LINK_MOUNT + * NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_TRASH, NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_HOME, NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_MOUNT */ static gboolean @@ -2955,7 +2957,6 @@ special_link_in_selection (FMDirectoryVi gboolean saw_link; GList *selection, *node; NautilusFile *file; - char *uri; g_return_val_if_fail (FM_IS_DIRECTORY_VIEW (view), FALSE); @@ -2966,14 +2967,7 @@ special_link_in_selection (FMDirectoryVi for (node = selection; node != NULL; node = node->next) { file = NAUTILUS_FILE (node->data); - uri = nautilus_file_get_uri (file); - - /* FIXME: This reads the link file every single time. */ - saw_link = nautilus_file_is_local (file) - && nautilus_file_is_nautilus_link (file) - && nautilus_link_local_is_special_link (uri); - - g_free (uri); + saw_link = NAUTILUS_IS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE (file); if (saw_link) { break; @@ -2999,7 +2993,9 @@ can_move_uri_to_trash (FMDirectoryView * file_uri = gnome_vfs_uri_new (file_uri_string); - g_return_val_if_fail (file_uri != NULL, FALSE); + if (file_uri == NULL) { + return FALSE; + } /* FIXME: Why can't we just pass file_uri to gnome_vfs_find_directory? */ directory_uri = gnome_vfs_uri_get_parent (file_uri); @@ -3273,7 +3269,7 @@ fm_directory_view_new_folder (FMDirector { char *parent_uri; - parent_uri = fm_directory_view_get_uri (directory_view); + parent_uri = fm_directory_view_get_backing_uri (directory_view); nautilus_file_operations_new_folder (GTK_WIDGET (directory_view), parent_uri, new_folder_done, directory_view); @@ -4406,6 +4402,14 @@ clear_clipboard_callback (GtkClipboard * g_free (user_data_or_owner); } +static GtkClipboard * +get_clipboard (FMDirectoryView *view) +{ + return gtk_clipboard_get_for_display (gtk_widget_get_display (GTK_WIDGET (view)), + GDK_SELECTION_CLIPBOARD); +} + + static void copy_or_cut_files (FMDirectoryView *view, gboolean cut) @@ -4419,7 +4423,7 @@ copy_or_cut_files (FMDirectoryView *view clipboard_string = convert_file_list_to_string (clipboard_contents, cut); - gtk_clipboard_set_with_data (gtk_clipboard_get (GDK_SELECTION_CLIPBOARD), + gtk_clipboard_set_with_data (get_clipboard (view), clipboard_targets, G_N_ELEMENTS (clipboard_targets), get_clipboard_callback, clear_clipboard_callback, clipboard_string); @@ -4525,7 +4529,7 @@ clipboard_received_callback (GtkClipboar g_strfreev (lines); } - view_uri = fm_directory_view_get_uri (view); + view_uri = fm_directory_view_get_backing_uri (view); if (item_uris == NULL|| view_uri == NULL) { nautilus_view_report_status (view->details->nautilus_view, @@ -4543,7 +4547,11 @@ paste_files_callback (BonoboUIComponent gpointer callback_data, const char *verb) { - gtk_clipboard_request_contents (gtk_clipboard_get (GDK_SELECTION_CLIPBOARD), + FMDirectoryView *view; + + view = FM_DIRECTORY_VIEW (callback_data); + + gtk_clipboard_request_contents (get_clipboard (view), copied_files_atom, clipboard_received_callback, callback_data); @@ -4626,6 +4634,7 @@ clipboard_targets_received (GtkClipboard int n_targets; int i; + view = FM_DIRECTORY_VIEW (user_data); can_paste = FALSE; @@ -4832,7 +4841,7 @@ real_update_menus (FMDirectoryView *view } else { /* Ask the clipboard */ g_object_ref (view); /* Need to keep the object alive until we get the reply */ - gtk_clipboard_request_contents (gtk_clipboard_get (GDK_SELECTION_CLIPBOARD), + gtk_clipboard_request_contents (get_clipboard (view), gdk_atom_intern ("TARGETS", FALSE), clipboard_targets_received, view); @@ -5960,6 +5969,34 @@ fm_directory_view_get_uri (FMDirectoryVi return nautilus_directory_get_uri (view->details->model); } +/* Get the real directory where files will be stored and created */ +char * +fm_directory_view_get_backing_uri (FMDirectoryView *view) +{ + NautilusDirectory *directory; + char *uri; + + g_return_val_if_fail (FM_IS_DIRECTORY_VIEW (view), NULL); + + if (view->details->model == NULL) { + return NULL; + } + + directory = view->details->model; + + if (NAUTILUS_IS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY (directory)) { + directory = nautilus_desktop_directory_get_real_directory (NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_DIRECTORY (directory)); + } else { + nautilus_directory_ref (directory); + } + + uri = nautilus_directory_get_uri (directory); + + nautilus_directory_unref (directory); + + return uri; +} + void fm_directory_view_move_copy_items (const GList *item_uris, GArray *relative_item_points, @@ -6004,7 +6041,7 @@ fm_directory_view_move_copy_items (const return; } - + if (eel_uri_is_trash (target_uri) && copy_action == GDK_ACTION_MOVE) { trash_or_delete_files_common (view, item_uris, relative_item_points, FALSE); } else { Index: src/file-manager/fm-directory-view.h =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/file-manager/fm-directory-view.h,v retrieving revision 1.128 diff -u -p -r1.128 fm-directory-view.h --- src/file-manager/fm-directory-view.h 7 Apr 2003 11:56:04 -0000 1.128 +++ src/file-manager/fm-directory-view.h 15 May 2003 17:08:09 -0000 @@ -292,6 +292,7 @@ NautilusView * fm_directory_view_ge /* Functions callable from the user interface and elsewhere. */ char * fm_directory_view_get_uri (FMDirectoryView *view); +char * fm_directory_view_get_backing_uri (FMDirectoryView *view); gboolean fm_directory_view_can_accept_item (NautilusFile *target_item, const char *item_uri, FMDirectoryView *view); Index: src/file-manager/fm-icon-container.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/file-manager/fm-icon-container.c,v retrieving revision 1.9 diff -u -p -r1.9 fm-icon-container.c --- src/file-manager/fm-icon-container.c 2 Apr 2003 11:51:14 -0000 1.9 +++ src/file-manager/fm-icon-container.c 15 May 2003 17:08:09 -0000 @@ -31,6 +31,7 @@ #include #include #include +#include #include "fm-icon-container.h" @@ -248,6 +249,13 @@ fm_icon_container_get_icon_text (Nautilu *editable_text = nautilus_file_get_display_name (file); } + if (NAUTILUS_IS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE (file)) { + /* Don't show the normal extra information for desktop icons, it doesn't + * make sense. */ + *additional_text = NULL; + return; + } + /* Handle link files specially. */ if (nautilus_file_is_nautilus_link (file)) { /* FIXME bugzilla.gnome.org 42531: Does sync. I/O and works only locally. */ @@ -318,34 +326,30 @@ typedef enum { static SortCategory get_sort_category (NautilusFile *file) { - char *uri; + NautilusDesktopLink *link; SortCategory category; - if (!nautilus_file_is_nautilus_link (file)) { - category = SORT_OTHER; - } else { - if (!nautilus_file_is_local (file)) - return SORT_OTHER; - - uri = nautilus_file_get_uri (file); + if (NAUTILUS_IS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE (file)) { + link = nautilus_desktop_icon_file_get_link (NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE (file)); - switch (nautilus_link_local_get_link_type (uri, NULL)) { - case NAUTILUS_LINK_HOME: + switch (nautilus_desktop_link_get_link_type (link)) { + case NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_HOME: category = SORT_HOME_LINK; break; - case NAUTILUS_LINK_MOUNT: + case NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_VOLUME: category = SORT_MOUNT_LINK; break; - case NAUTILUS_LINK_TRASH: + case NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_LINK_TRASH: category = SORT_TRASH_LINK; break; default: category = SORT_OTHER; break; } - - g_free (uri); - } + g_object_unref (link); + } else { + category = SORT_OTHER; + } return category; } Index: src/file-manager/fm-icon-view.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/file-manager/fm-icon-view.c,v retrieving revision 1.279 diff -u -p -r1.279 fm-icon-view.c --- src/file-manager/fm-icon-view.c 3 May 2003 23:23:31 -0000 1.279 +++ src/file-manager/fm-icon-view.c 15 May 2003 17:08:09 -0000 @@ -2413,7 +2413,7 @@ icon_view_handle_uri_list (NautilusIconC return; } - container_uri = fm_directory_view_get_uri (FM_DIRECTORY_VIEW (view)); + container_uri = fm_directory_view_get_backing_uri (FM_DIRECTORY_VIEW (view)); g_return_if_fail (container_uri != NULL); if (eel_vfs_has_capability (container_uri, Index: src/file-manager/fm-properties-window.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/file-manager/fm-properties-window.c,v retrieving revision 1.170 diff -u -p -r1.170 fm-properties-window.c --- src/file-manager/fm-properties-window.c 23 Apr 2003 18:29:13 -0000 1.170 +++ src/file-manager/fm-properties-window.c 15 May 2003 17:08:10 -0000 @@ -63,6 +63,7 @@ #include #include #include +#include #include #include #include @@ -2479,34 +2480,21 @@ static NautilusFile * get_target_file (NautilusFile *file) { NautilusFile *target_file; - char *uri; char *uri_to_display; + NautilusDesktopLink *link; target_file = NULL; - if (nautilus_file_is_nautilus_link (file)) { - /* Note: This will only work on local files. For now - * that seems fine since the links we care about are - * all on the desktop. - */ - if (nautilus_file_is_local (file)) { - uri = nautilus_file_get_uri (file); - - switch (nautilus_link_local_get_link_type (uri, NULL)) { - case NAUTILUS_LINK_MOUNT: - case NAUTILUS_LINK_TRASH: - case NAUTILUS_LINK_HOME: - /* map to linked URI for these types of links */ - uri_to_display = nautilus_link_local_get_link_uri (uri); - target_file = nautilus_file_get (uri_to_display); - g_free (uri_to_display); - break; - case NAUTILUS_LINK_GENERIC: - /* don't for these types */ - break; - } - - g_free (uri); + if (NAUTILUS_IS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE (file)) { + link = nautilus_desktop_icon_file_get_link (NAUTILUS_DESKTOP_ICON_FILE (file)); + + /* map to linked URI for these types of links */ + uri_to_display = nautilus_desktop_link_get_activation_uri (link); + if (uri_to_display) { + target_file = nautilus_file_get (uri_to_display); + g_free (uri_to_display); } + + g_object_unref (link); } if (target_file != NULL) { --=-PwzCvansxjCM0d7lyMUQ-- From mpeseng@tin.it Sun May 18 15:28:34 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp1.libero.it (smtp1.libero.it [193.70.192.51]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92577184AA for ; Sun, 18 May 2003 15:28:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp-44-196.30-151.libero.it (151.30.196.44) by smtp1.libero.it (7.0.012) id 3E95468600D3A610; Sun, 18 May 2003 21:28:34 +0200 Subject: Sharing the spinner with icon theme From: Marco Pesenti Gritti To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Cc: alexl@redhat.com Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1053286099.900.36.camel@balurdi> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-5) Date: 18 May 2003 21:28:20 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I'd like to know if it would be possible to share the spinner (throbber) between nautilus and epiphany. Using the gnome icon theme would seem like the right way to do it, with the advantage to make it themable too. Current implementation doesnt use a single animation though, but a set of images. Would make sense to change it to use an animated gif instead ? Possible problems: - Legal problems. The GIF patents are expired, so I think this should not be an issue. - The quality of gifs is limited to 256 colors. I've been able to convert the default spinner without apparent lose of quality though. http://mpgritti.oltrelinux.com/spinner.gif So it seem to be possible to build nice spinners also with only 256 colors (and anyway, without using icon theme, they would not be themable at all) - The icon theme specification apparently doesnt support gif "The image files must be one of the types: PNG, XPM, or SVG" Is it intended ? (This has been discussed briefly on http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113161) Marco From mpeseng@tin.it Mon May 19 18:56:09 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp1.libero.it (smtp1.libero.it [193.70.192.51]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FAE618B3E for ; Mon, 19 May 2003 18:56:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp-157-197.30-151.libero.it (151.30.197.157) by smtp1.libero.it (7.0.012) id 3E95468600DB379D; Tue, 20 May 2003 00:56:03 +0200 Subject: Re: Sharing the spinner with icon theme From: Marco Pesenti Gritti To: Alexander Larsson Cc: Nautilus In-Reply-To: <1053333605.11180.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1053286099.900.36.camel@balurdi> <1053333605.11180.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1053384943.902.2.camel@balurdi> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-5) Date: 20 May 2003 00:55:44 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > Yes, this is intended, to allow implementations that don't have to > implement old broken file formats. > > The way kde handles this is by having a large icon with all the frames > on a grid. That would work fine for us too. Ok I'll try to implement something like this in ephy. Thanks for your help. Marco From mjs@noisehavoc.org Tue May 20 02:36:04 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from chaos.noisehavoc.org (dsl093-167-154.sfo2.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.93.167.154]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0639D18413 for ; Tue, 20 May 2003 02:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mjs by chaos.noisehavoc.org with local (Exim 3.22 #1 (Debian)) id 19I0Cb-0007tX-00; Mon, 19 May 2003 23:02:21 -0700 Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 23:02:21 -0700 From: Maciej Stachowiak To: Marco Pesenti Gritti Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org, alexl@redhat.com Subject: Re: Sharing the spinner with icon theme Message-ID: <20030519230221.A30324@noisehavoc.org> References: <1053286099.900.36.camel@balurdi> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <1053286099.900.36.camel@balurdi>; from mpeseng@tin.it on Sun, May 18, 2003 at 09:28:20PM +0200 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On 18May2003 09:28PM (+0200), Marco Pesenti Gritti wrote: > I'd like to know if it would be possible to share the spinner (throbber) > between nautilus and epiphany. > Using the gnome icon theme would seem like the right way to do it, with > the advantage to make it themable too. > Current implementation doesnt use a single animation though, but a set > of images. > Would make sense to change it to use an animated gif instead ? GIFs only support one bit of transparency. I dunno if people use transparency in spinners, but if they did, I expect they would want proper anti-aliasing. MNG is a format based which supports animation similar to animated GIFs, but which has a full alpha channel like PNG. - Maciej From pfeil@10East.com Wed May 21 18:02:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from 10east.com (docs1.10east.com [63.238.77.220]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D42A018654; Wed, 21 May 2003 18:02:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pfeil1.abcrs.com (pfeil1.abcrs.com [63.238.77.138]) by 10east.com (8.12.9/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h4LM2JVH002373; Wed, 21 May 2003 18:02:19 -0400 Subject: Re: $HOME as desktop From: "Jason A. Pfeil" Reply-To: jason@jasonpfeil.com To: Owen Taylor Cc: Yoann Vandoorselaere , nautilus-list@gnome.org, Gnome-Desktop-Devel Mailling List In-Reply-To: <1053122169.32364.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1053118716.32364.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1053120316.7981.59.camel@alph> <1053122169.32364.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: 10 East Corp. Message-Id: <1053554518.30874.25.camel@pfeil1.abcrs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.4 Date: 21 May 2003 18:01:58 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hmmm... I've been following this with interest for some time and an idea just cropped up. What about a completely "virtual" desktop? There is *no* folder for the desktop. Instead, there is a gconf folder under /desktop called "desktop contents" and in there it contains a set of keys which are paths to the files (and directories) that GNOME considers to be "on the desktop". There could also be a /desktop_sorting folder which contains one key called sorting_method and then any number of keys which refer to the files and directories for a non-alphabetical sorting method. That way, there is no confusion between a physical folder on disk and the "concept" of having something on the desktop. Dragging something from a directory onto the desktop would add that object into the /desktop gconf folder and put it in the right order for sorting in the /desktop_sorting folder, if necessary. This would obviate the need for worrying about the name of the desktop folder on the filesystem since it was all internally generated anyway and would be handled by the normal i18n translations. Anyway, just an idea to toss out there. Keep up the good work and the lively debate! :-) --Jason On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 17:56, Owen Taylor wrote: > On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 17:25, Yoann Vandoorselaere wrote: > > On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 22:58, Owen Taylor wrote: > > > I really hesitate to jump in here, but I think it's > > > worth stating clearly why $HOME as desktop isn't an > > > option: > > > > > > - Upgrades: user upgrades to Red Hat 14.7. Suddenly, > > > they have 531 files on their desktop, many of > > > which don't fit on the screen. Unless they think > > > to "clean up", some of these files may be lost > > > forever because they are way off the screen. > > > > > > I think it's unreasonable to expect users to > > > spend a day cleaning their home directory just > > > because they switched to a new version of GNOME. > > > > I'm not really sure what you mean here, but I assume you're talking > > about a program which would use $HOME as the default behaviour for > > downloading file. > > > > Why would theses files appear in their home directory ? People get used > > to behavior of the programs they use. People will get used to $HOME as > > the desktop. And then, when downloading > here/>, user will not choose to download it under $HOME. > > > > And even if they did, they would notice the increasing number of files > > showing up in their home directory, and would probably realize they did > > something wrong. > > I'm saying, that Linux has somewhere on the order of a million people > using it on the desktop currently. I'd be pretty sure that most of those > people have a large number of files in their home directory. > > We have to have a plan to deal with those people upgrading to new > versions of GNOME. > > > > - We don't control the other software the user > > > runs, we don't control what software they run > > > in the past; you may claim that everybody > > > should change, but that isn't realistic; looking > > > in my home directory. > > > > > > dcc - xchat is broken > > > evolution - evolution is broken > > > nsmail - Netscape 4 was broken several years ago > > > GNUstep - wmaker was broken when I tried to > > > reproduce a bug yesterday > > > Mail - various traditionally unixy things are broken > > > News - Gnus is broken > > > Desktop - KDE is broken > > > > > > You get the picture. If we made $HOME the desktop > > > we force the user to choose between having useless > > > cruft on their desktop and not using other software. > > > > Maybe the right answer would be to contact the authors of theses > > program, and to involve them in this discussion. Maybe things would go > > further that way. > > > > Maybe, if after this big discussion, most people agree that programs > > should not create folder in $HOME (at least if they are not hiden) - and > > even if some outside programers disagree - Users, by asking the > > programmers to comply to the standard (or to what the mass think), will > > make him change is mind. > > > > Anyway, I don't believe that the "Everybody is broken, so let's write > > something borked too" is the good attitude toward solving this problem. > > Hmm, using a subdirectory for the Desktop works well enough for > everybody else (MacOS/Windows/KDE) that I think it is a *big* stretch to > call it broken. > > What I'm saying is that using $HOME as the desktop is going to > cause substantial migration pains for both users and developers > for relatively minimal gains. > > And if there isn't *agreement* in the Linux/Unix desktop community on > the subject, than we aren't talking minimal gains, we are > talking substantial regressions. > > > > - Quality user experience depends on consistency; > > > not just within GNOME, but for all apps. How > > > are Mozilla, and OpenOffice.org, and the > > > Java file selector, and ... going to get the > > > behavior right if GNOME uses ~ and KDE uses Desktop/ ? > > > > Did any KDE developers commented on this issue ? If not, wouldn't it be > > a good idea to start discussing the issue with them ? > > I'm not sure that expanding the scope of this discussion is > going to be that useful of a step right now... but if you > are interested, the first step would probably be to do > some research and see if the topic has previously come up > in the past. > > Regards, > Owen > > > _______________________________________________ > desktop-devel-list mailing list > desktop-devel-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list -- Jason A. Pfeil pfeil@10East.com Senior Open Systems Engineer http://www.10East.com 10East, Inc. (904)220-DOCS From kb@bluehash.de Wed May 21 20:58:55 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.medianet-world.de (unknown [213.157.0.162]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E176618EE7 for ; Wed, 21 May 2003 20:58:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 12216 invoked from network); 22 May 2003 00:58:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO IP-213157009165.dialin.heagmedianet.de) (213.157.9.165) by mail.medianet-world.de with SMTP; 22 May 2003 00:58:54 -0000 Subject: Re: $HOME as desktop From: kb To: jason@jasonpfeil.com Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1053554518.30874.25.camel@pfeil1.abcrs.com> References: <1053118716.32364.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1053120316.7981.59.camel@alph> <1053122169.32364.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1053554518.30874.25.camel@pfeil1.abcrs.com> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1053565137.2046.131.camel@delta> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (Preview Release) Date: 22 May 2003 02:58:57 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: # repost, due to using wrong account on first attempt On Thu, 2003-05-22 at 00:01, Jason A. Pfeil wrote: > I've been following this with interest for some time and an idea just > cropped up. > > What about a completely "virtual" desktop? There is *no* folder for the > desktop. Instead, there is a gconf folder under /desktop called > "desktop contents" and in there it contains a set of keys which are > paths to the files (and directories) that GNOME considers to be "on the > desktop". There could also be a /desktop_sorting folder which contains > one key called sorting_method and then any number of keys which refer to > the files and directories for a non-alphabetical sorting method. > > That way, there is no confusion between a physical folder on disk and > the "concept" of having something on the desktop. Dragging something > from a directory onto the desktop would add that object into the > /desktop gconf folder and put it in the right order for sorting in the > /desktop_sorting folder, if necessary. This would obviate the need for > worrying about the name of the desktop folder on the filesystem since it > was all internally generated anyway and would be handled by the normal > i18n translations. > > Anyway, just an idea to toss out there. Actually, that is a good idea IMHO -- except for the GConf keys. That may get really huge and nasty to change by hacking. And I do love plain text files for configuration. That said, the idea is really how I see it, too. The Desktop should be a virtual place. I never want to store files on it. Links are essential, though. To store all those configuration options, links and stuff I still prefer a hidden ~/.desktop directory for that virtual place. btw: The "home" icon really makes sense then, and does not lead to infinite loops... ;-) > Keep up the good work and the lively debate! full ack karsten -- Hi, I'm a signature virus. Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread! From sinzui@cox.net Wed May 21 21:23:43 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from lakemtao01.cox.net (lakemtao01.cox.net [68.1.17.244]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A864118235; Wed, 21 May 2003 21:23:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([68.106.102.11]) by lakemtao01.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030522012341.LKHA8337.lakemtao01.cox.net@[192.168.1.101]>; Wed, 21 May 2003 21:23:41 -0400 Subject: Re: $HOME as desktop From: Curtis Hovey Reply-To: sinzui@cox.net To: guenther Cc: Nautilus-list , desktop-devel-list In-Reply-To: <1053563543.2032.123.camel@delta> References: <1053118716.32364.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1053120316.7981.59.camel@alph> <1053122169.32364.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1053554518.30874.25.camel@pfeil1.abcrs.com> <1053563543.2032.123.camel@delta> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: i Message-Id: <1053566620.8522.60.camel@autumn.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (Preview Release) Date: 21 May 2003 21:23:42 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, 2003-05-21 at 20:32, guenther wrote: > On Thu, 2003-05-22 at 00:01, Jason A. Pfeil wrote: > > I've been following this with interest for some time and an idea just > > cropped up. > > > > What about a completely "virtual" desktop? There is *no* folder for the > > desktop. Instead, there is a gconf folder under /desktop called > > "desktop contents" and in there it contains a set of keys which are > > paths to the files (and directories) that GNOME considers to be "on the > > desktop". There could also be a /desktop_sorting folder which contains > > one key called sorting_method and then any number of keys which refer to > > the files and directories for a non-alphabetical sorting method. > > > > That way, there is no confusion between a physical folder on disk and > > the "concept" of having something on the desktop. Dragging something > > from a directory onto the desktop would add that object into the > > /desktop gconf folder and put it in the right order for sorting in the > > /desktop_sorting folder, if necessary. This would obviate the need for > > worrying about the name of the desktop folder on the filesystem since it > > was all internally generated anyway and would be handled by the normal > > i18n translations. > > > > Anyway, just an idea to toss out there. > > Actually, that is a good idea IMHO -- except for the GConf keys. That > may get really huge and nasty to change by hacking. And I do love plain > text files for configuration. > > That said, the idea is really how I see it, too. The Desktop should be a > virtual place. I never want to store files on it. Links are essential, > though. You can accomplish the virtual desktop with Medusa. All you need to do is tag the desktop content with a keyword (emblems are synonymous with keywords in nautilus) and just do a search for "keywords include desktop". I tested a rudimentary set of virtual folders on my desktop by saving the search URIs as .desktop files and giving them folder icons. It works very well. You can't do this yet in Medusa/Nautilus, but soon. I've got a keyword/filename defect to fix before Medusa is fully operational. Nautilus search is working, but the UI's display needs a good number of fixes to display right I hope to get this committed by mid June. All we need to do to make this happen without the user having to manage this a silent way to tag desktop items and update the icon display to show search results. -- __C U R T I S C. H O V E Y____________________ sinzui@cox.net Guilty of stealing everything I am. From rees@netnam.vn Wed May 21 21:59:11 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp.netnam.vn (smtp.netnam.vn [203.162.7.93]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 682391857E; Wed, 21 May 2003 21:59:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netnam.vn (ci75_181.netnam.vn [203.162.75.181] (may be forged)) by smtp.netnam.vn (8.11.7+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h4MG0uY23955; Thu, 22 May 2003 09:00:56 -0700 (GMT) Message-ID: <3ECB4F9E.3030907@netnam.vn> Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 17:06:22 +0700 From: Darryl Rees User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.3) Gecko/20030312 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kb Cc: jason@jasonpfeil.com, nautilus-list@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: $HOME as desktop References: <1053118716.32364.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1053120316.7981.59.camel@alph> <1053122169.32364.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1053554518.30874.25.camel@pfeil1.abcrs.com> <1053565137.2046.131.camel@delta> In-Reply-To: <1053565137.2046.131.camel@delta> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: kb wrote: >>What about a completely "virtual" desktop? There is *no* folder for the >>desktop. >> That said, the idea is really how I see it, too. The Desktop should be a >virtual place. I never want to store files on it. Links are essential, >though. > >btw: The "home" icon really makes sense then, and does not lead to >infinite loops... ;-) > > Sorry, but AFAI can see this would be the same as having .gnome-desktop except much harder to implement and MUCH harder to get pushed through as a dekstop standard (the main issue for the ~/Desktop advocates). If the only issue was the recursive loop the link to ~/Desktop could be removed from $Home with the same effect. Atleast your're thinking laterally though ;-) Cheers, Long. From petri.kanerva@surfeu.fi Fri May 23 01:23:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from surfeu.fi (mailbox.surfeu.fi [213.173.154.4]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A43418154 for ; Fri, 23 May 2003 01:23:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DynIP-146-165.Hki5.surfeu.fi (account petri.kanerva [213.173.146.165] verified) by surfeu.fi (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.1) with ESMTP id 41908169 for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Fri, 23 May 2003 08:23:51 +0300 Subject: Bug with volume handling in 2.3.2 From: Petri Kanerva To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1053616789.243.13.camel@darkstar.example.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.2 (Preview Release) Date: 23 May 2003 08:24:24 +0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi! After five minutes of using the newest Nautilus, a bug was discowered from the new desktop code. If we have two volumes with the same name, Nautilus crashes, taking up the whole processor. Like, mount 2 cd-roms with exactly same names. Before when this happened, the second would have a 'Name (2)' label. This was also tested by making a temporary mount point to /mnt/test/C. As the regular mount point for the win-partition is /mnt/C. Then made appropriate line to fstab for the new mount point with another partiton as to the regular C. Now, when the new 'C' is mounted from Nautilus, it crashes again, because the desktop would have two 'C' labels. When the files were created for volumes, it's normal to add the '(2)' to the fil names, and so to the labels on the desktop. This seems to have been overlooked on the new desktop code. If you have no idea what I'm trying to explain here, say so and I'll try to be more descriptive. Petri From alexl@redhat.com Fri May 23 08:40:50 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1909D18709 for ; Fri, 23 May 2003 08:40:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h4NCei519856; Fri, 23 May 2003 08:40:46 -0400 Subject: Re: Bug with volume handling in 2.3.2 From: Alexander Larsson To: Petri Kanerva Cc: Nautilus In-Reply-To: <1053616789.243.13.camel@darkstar.example.net> References: <1053616789.243.13.camel@darkstar.example.net> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1053693643.30145.546.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.91.99 (Preview Release) Date: 23 May 2003 14:40:43 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, 2003-05-23 at 07:24, Petri Kanerva wrote: > Hi! > > After five minutes of using the newest Nautilus, a bug was discowered > from the new desktop code. > > If we have two volumes with the same name, Nautilus crashes, taking up > the whole processor. Like, mount 2 cd-roms with exactly same names. > Before when this happened, the second would have a 'Name (2)' label. > > This was also tested by making a temporary mount point to /mnt/test/C. > As the regular mount point for the win-partition is /mnt/C. > Then made appropriate line to fstab for the new mount point with another > partiton as to the regular C. Now, when the new 'C' is mounted from > Nautilus, it crashes again, because the desktop would have two 'C' > labels. When the files were created for volumes, it's normal to add the > '(2)' to the fil names, and so to the labels on the desktop. This should be fixes in CVS now. Could you test it? =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a Nobel prize-winning hunchbacked gentleman spy plagued by the memory of his family's brutal murder. She's an artistic nymphomaniac politician who can talk to animals. They fight crime! From chris@gnome-de.org Sat May 24 20:03:23 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.bytecamp.net (mail.bytecamp.net [212.204.60.9]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 800A3187C4 for ; Sat, 24 May 2003 20:03:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 1589 invoked by uid 88); 25 May 2003 00:03:18 -0000 Received: from pd9e97173.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO ?192.168.123.111?) (217.233.113.115) by mail.bytecamp.net with SMTP; 25 May 2003 00:03:18 -0000 Subject: [PATCH] Proposed Nautilus patch From: Christian Neumair To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-kZHJPGyPZXsYqM8qgPBC" Message-Id: <1053820839.19501.2.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (Preview Release) Date: 25 May 2003 02:01:43 +0200 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-kZHJPGyPZXsYqM8qgPBC Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi there! The attached patch HIGifies some glade dialogs (at least when it comes to spacing) and fixes two tiny typos. It should apply cleanly against HEAD. Please have a look at it and tell me whether it's ok to commit it. regs, Chris --=-kZHJPGyPZXsYqM8qgPBC Content-Description: Content-Type: application/octet-stream Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=nautilus.varfixes.diff Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ? src/nautilus-bookmarks-window.gladep ? src/nautilus-file-management-properties.gladep ? src/nautilus-server-connect.gladep Index: src//nautilus-bookmarks-window.glade =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/nautilus-bookmarks-window.glade,v retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -r1.2 nautilus-bookmarks-window.glade --- src//nautilus-bookmarks-window.glade 23 Apr 2003 14:09:32 -0000 1.2 +++ src//nautilus-bookmarks-window.glade 24 May 2003 23:58:32 -0000 @@ -2,8 +2,10 @@ + + 5 Edit Bookmarks GTK_WINDOW_TOPLEVEL GTK_WIN_POS_CENTER @@ -16,7 +18,7 @@ True False - 0 + 2 @@ -81,10 +83,10 @@ - 2 + 5 True True - 6 + 18 @@ -96,15 +98,14 @@ - 2 True False - 2 + 6 True - _Bookmarks + <b>_Bookmarks</b> True True GTK_JUSTIFY_LEFT @@ -124,27 +125,61 @@ - + True - True - GTK_POLICY_NEVER - GTK_POLICY_AUTOMATIC - GTK_SHADOW_IN - GTK_CORNER_TOP_LEFT + False + 0 - + + True + + False + False + GTK_JUSTIFY_LEFT + False + False + 0.5 + 0.5 + 0 + 0 + + + 0 + False + False + + + + + True True - False - False - True - True + GTK_POLICY_NEVER + GTK_POLICY_AUTOMATIC + GTK_SHADOW_IN + GTK_CORNER_TOP_LEFT + + + + True + True + False + False + True + True + + + + 0 + True + True + - 2 + 0 True True @@ -169,78 +204,171 @@ - 2 True False - 6 + 18 - - True - _Name: - True - True - GTK_JUSTIFY_LEFT - False - False - 0 - 0.5 - 0 - 0 - - - 0 - False - False - - - - - + True False - 0 + 6 - + + True + <b>_Name</b> + True + True + GTK_JUSTIFY_LEFT + False + False + 0 + 0.5 + 0 + 0 + + + 0 + False + False + - - - 0 - False - True - - - - - True - _Location: - True - True - GTK_JUSTIFY_LEFT - False - False - 0 - 0.5 - 2 - 2 + + + True + False + 0 + + + + True + + False + False + GTK_JUSTIFY_LEFT + False + False + 0.5 + 0.5 + 0 + 0 + + + 0 + False + False + + + + + + True + False + 0 + + + + + + + 0 + True + True + + + + + 0 + True + True + + 0 False - False + True - + True False - 0 + 6 - + + True + <b>_Location</b> + True + True + GTK_JUSTIFY_LEFT + False + False + 0 + 0.5 + 2 + 2 + + + 0 + False + False + + + + + + True + False + 0 + + + + True + + False + False + GTK_JUSTIFY_LEFT + False + False + 0.5 + 0.5 + 0 + 0 + + + 0 + False + False + + + + + + True + False + 0 + + + + + + + 0 + True + True + + + + + 0 + True + True + @@ -248,14 +376,6 @@ False True - - - - - - - - Index: src//nautilus-file-management-properties.glade =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/nautilus-file-management-properties.glade,v retrieving revision 1.5 diff -u -r1.5 nautilus-file-management-properties.glade --- src//nautilus-file-management-properties.glade 6 Mar 2003 21:03:09 -0000 1.5 +++ src//nautilus-file-management-properties.glade 24 May 2003 23:58:32 -0000 @@ -2,8 +2,10 @@ + + 5 True File Management Preferences GTK_WINDOW_TOPLEVEL @@ -17,7 +19,7 @@ True False - 0 + 2 @@ -65,8 +67,6 @@ True GTK_POS_TOP False - 2 - 2 False Index: src//nautilus-property-browser.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/nautilus-property-browser.c,v retrieving revision 1.197 diff -u -r1.197 nautilus-property-browser.c --- src//nautilus-property-browser.c 23 Apr 2003 09:49:52 -0000 1.197 +++ src//nautilus-property-browser.c 24 May 2003 23:58:34 -0000 @@ -2034,7 +2034,7 @@ /* update the title and button */ if (property_browser->details->category == NULL) { - gtk_label_set_text (GTK_LABEL (property_browser->details->title_label), _("Select A Category:")); + gtk_label_set_text (GTK_LABEL (property_browser->details->title_label), _("Select a Category:")); gtk_widget_hide(property_browser->details->add_button); gtk_widget_hide(property_browser->details->remove_button); Index: src//nautilus-server-connect.glade =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/nautilus-server-connect.glade,v retrieving revision 1.1 diff -u -r1.1 nautilus-server-connect.glade --- src//nautilus-server-connect.glade 31 Oct 2002 19:02:41 -0000 1.1 +++ src//nautilus-server-connect.glade 24 May 2003 23:58:34 -0000 @@ -2,21 +2,23 @@ + + 5 New Server GTK_WINDOW_TOPLEVEL GTK_WIN_POS_CENTER False False False - True + False True False - 0 + 2 @@ -40,8 +42,8 @@ True True True - gtk-ok - True + _Connect + True GTK_RELIEF_NORMAL -5 @@ -57,10 +59,10 @@ - 4 + 5 True False - 0 + 6 Index: src//file-manager/fm-properties-window.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/file-manager/fm-properties-window.c,v retrieving revision 1.171 diff -u -r1.171 fm-properties-window.c --- src//file-manager/fm-properties-window.c 15 May 2003 17:19:27 -0000 1.171 +++ src//file-manager/fm-properties-window.c 24 May 2003 23:58:35 -0000 @@ -271,66 +271,66 @@ GdkPixbuf *pixbuf; char *image_path; - image_path = gnome_vfs_get_local_path_from_uri (uri); - if (image_path == NULL) { - return FALSE; - } +image_path = gnome_vfs_get_local_path_from_uri (uri); +if (image_path == NULL) { + return FALSE; +} - pixbuf = gdk_pixbuf_new_from_file (image_path, NULL); - g_free (image_path); - - if (pixbuf == NULL) { - return FALSE; - } - g_object_unref (pixbuf); - return TRUE; +pixbuf = gdk_pixbuf_new_from_file (image_path, NULL); +g_free (image_path); + +if (pixbuf == NULL) { + return FALSE; +} +g_object_unref (pixbuf); +return TRUE; } static void reset_icon (FMPropertiesWindow *properties_window) { - NautilusFile *file; - - file = properties_window->details->original_file; - - nautilus_file_set_metadata (file, NAUTILUS_METADATA_KEY_CUSTOM_ICON, NULL, NULL); - nautilus_file_set_metadata (file, NAUTILUS_METADATA_KEY_ICON_SCALE, NULL, NULL); - - gtk_widget_set_sensitive (properties_window->details->remove_image_button, FALSE); +NautilusFile *file; + +file = properties_window->details->original_file; + +nautilus_file_set_metadata (file, NAUTILUS_METADATA_KEY_CUSTOM_ICON, NULL, NULL); +nautilus_file_set_metadata (file, NAUTILUS_METADATA_KEY_ICON_SCALE, NULL, NULL); + +gtk_widget_set_sensitive (properties_window->details->remove_image_button, FALSE); } static void fm_properties_window_drag_data_received (GtkWidget *widget, GdkDragContext *context, - int x, int y, - GtkSelectionData *selection_data, - guint info, guint time) -{ - char **uris; - gboolean exactly_one; - GtkImage *image; - GtkWindow *window; + int x, int y, + GtkSelectionData *selection_data, + guint info, guint time) +{ +char **uris; +gboolean exactly_one; +GtkImage *image; +GtkWindow *window; - image = GTK_IMAGE (widget); - window = GTK_WINDOW (gtk_widget_get_toplevel (GTK_WIDGET (image))); +image = GTK_IMAGE (widget); +window = GTK_WINDOW (gtk_widget_get_toplevel (GTK_WIDGET (image))); - if (info == TARGET_RESET_BACKGROUND) { - reset_icon (FM_PROPERTIES_WINDOW (window)); - - return; - } +if (info == TARGET_RESET_BACKGROUND) { + reset_icon (FM_PROPERTIES_WINDOW (window)); - uris = g_strsplit (selection_data->data, "\r\n", 0); - exactly_one = uris[0] != NULL && (uris[1] == NULL || uris[1][0] == '\0'); + return; +} + +uris = g_strsplit (selection_data->data, "\r\n", 0); +exactly_one = uris[0] != NULL && (uris[1] == NULL || uris[1][0] == '\0'); - if (!exactly_one) { - eel_show_error_dialog - (_("You can't assign more than one custom icon at a time! " - "Please drag just one image to set a custom icon."), - _("More Than One Image"), - window); - } else { - if (uri_is_local_image (uris[0])) { +if (!exactly_one) { + eel_show_error_dialog + (_("You can't assign more than one custom icon at a time! " + "Please drag just one image to set a custom icon."), + _("More Than One Image"), + window); +} else { + if (uri_is_local_image (uris[0])) { set_icon_callback (gnome_vfs_get_local_path_from_uri (uris[0]), FM_PROPERTIES_WINDOW (window)); } else { @@ -2388,6 +2388,7 @@ GtkWidget *vbox; GtkWidget *hbox; GtkWidget *button; + gchar *image_path; window = FM_PROPERTIES_WINDOW (gtk_widget_new (fm_properties_window_get_type (), NULL)); @@ -2402,6 +2403,11 @@ /* Set initial window title */ update_properties_window_title (GTK_WINDOW (window), window->details->target_file); + + image_path = gnome_vfs_mime_get_icon ("gnome-fs-directory"); + gtk_window_set_default_icon_from_file (image_path, NULL); + g_free (image_path); + /* Start monitoring the file attributes we display. Note that some * of the attributes are for the original file, and some for the * target file. @@ -2711,7 +2717,7 @@ g_assert (FM_IS_PROPERTIES_WINDOW (properties_window)); - dialog = eel_gnome_icon_selector_new (_("Select an icon:"), + dialog = eel_gnome_icon_selector_new (_("Select an icon"), NULL, GTK_WINDOW (properties_window), (EelIconSelectionFunction) set_icon_callback, --=-kZHJPGyPZXsYqM8qgPBC-- From chris@gnome-de.org Sat May 24 20:03:26 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.bytecamp.net (mail.bytecamp.net [212.204.60.9]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9DD6187C4 for ; Sat, 24 May 2003 20:03:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 1630 invoked by uid 88); 25 May 2003 00:03:22 -0000 Received: from pd9e97173.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO ?192.168.123.111?) (217.233.113.115) by mail.bytecamp.net with SMTP; 25 May 2003 00:03:22 -0000 Subject: [PATCH] Proposed Nautilus patch From: Christian Neumair To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-w3VrvF0e9J0dgfCmzrxf" Message-Id: <1053820903.19506.5.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (Preview Release) Date: 25 May 2003 02:01:47 +0200 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-w3VrvF0e9J0dgfCmzrxf Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi there! The attached patch HIGifies some glade dialogs (at least when it comes to spacing) and fixes two tiny typos. It should apply cleanly against HEAD. Please have a look at it and tell me whether it's ok to commit it. regs, Chris --=-w3VrvF0e9J0dgfCmzrxf Content-Description: Content-Type: application/octet-stream Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=nautilus.varfixes.diff Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ? src/nautilus-bookmarks-window.gladep ? src/nautilus-file-management-properties.gladep ? src/nautilus-server-connect.gladep Index: src//nautilus-bookmarks-window.glade =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/nautilus-bookmarks-window.glade,v retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -r1.2 nautilus-bookmarks-window.glade --- src//nautilus-bookmarks-window.glade 23 Apr 2003 14:09:32 -0000 1.2 +++ src//nautilus-bookmarks-window.glade 24 May 2003 23:58:32 -0000 @@ -2,8 +2,10 @@ + + 5 Edit Bookmarks GTK_WINDOW_TOPLEVEL GTK_WIN_POS_CENTER @@ -16,7 +18,7 @@ True False - 0 + 2 @@ -81,10 +83,10 @@ - 2 + 5 True True - 6 + 18 @@ -96,15 +98,14 @@ - 2 True False - 2 + 6 True - _Bookmarks + <b>_Bookmarks</b> True True GTK_JUSTIFY_LEFT @@ -124,27 +125,61 @@ - + True - True - GTK_POLICY_NEVER - GTK_POLICY_AUTOMATIC - GTK_SHADOW_IN - GTK_CORNER_TOP_LEFT + False + 0 - + + True + + False + False + GTK_JUSTIFY_LEFT + False + False + 0.5 + 0.5 + 0 + 0 + + + 0 + False + False + + + + + True True - False - False - True - True + GTK_POLICY_NEVER + GTK_POLICY_AUTOMATIC + GTK_SHADOW_IN + GTK_CORNER_TOP_LEFT + + + + True + True + False + False + True + True + + + + 0 + True + True + - 2 + 0 True True @@ -169,78 +204,171 @@ - 2 True False - 6 + 18 - - True - _Name: - True - True - GTK_JUSTIFY_LEFT - False - False - 0 - 0.5 - 0 - 0 - - - 0 - False - False - - - - - + True False - 0 + 6 - + + True + <b>_Name</b> + True + True + GTK_JUSTIFY_LEFT + False + False + 0 + 0.5 + 0 + 0 + + + 0 + False + False + - - - 0 - False - True - - - - - True - _Location: - True - True - GTK_JUSTIFY_LEFT - False - False - 0 - 0.5 - 2 - 2 + + + True + False + 0 + + + + True + + False + False + GTK_JUSTIFY_LEFT + False + False + 0.5 + 0.5 + 0 + 0 + + + 0 + False + False + + + + + + True + False + 0 + + + + + + + 0 + True + True + + + + + 0 + True + True + + 0 False - False + True - + True False - 0 + 6 - + + True + <b>_Location</b> + True + True + GTK_JUSTIFY_LEFT + False + False + 0 + 0.5 + 2 + 2 + + + 0 + False + False + + + + + + True + False + 0 + + + + True + + False + False + GTK_JUSTIFY_LEFT + False + False + 0.5 + 0.5 + 0 + 0 + + + 0 + False + False + + + + + + True + False + 0 + + + + + + + 0 + True + True + + + + + 0 + True + True + @@ -248,14 +376,6 @@ False True - - - - - - - - Index: src//nautilus-file-management-properties.glade =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/nautilus-file-management-properties.glade,v retrieving revision 1.5 diff -u -r1.5 nautilus-file-management-properties.glade --- src//nautilus-file-management-properties.glade 6 Mar 2003 21:03:09 -0000 1.5 +++ src//nautilus-file-management-properties.glade 24 May 2003 23:58:32 -0000 @@ -2,8 +2,10 @@ + + 5 True File Management Preferences GTK_WINDOW_TOPLEVEL @@ -17,7 +19,7 @@ True False - 0 + 2 @@ -65,8 +67,6 @@ True GTK_POS_TOP False - 2 - 2 False Index: src//nautilus-property-browser.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/nautilus-property-browser.c,v retrieving revision 1.197 diff -u -r1.197 nautilus-property-browser.c --- src//nautilus-property-browser.c 23 Apr 2003 09:49:52 -0000 1.197 +++ src//nautilus-property-browser.c 24 May 2003 23:58:34 -0000 @@ -2034,7 +2034,7 @@ /* update the title and button */ if (property_browser->details->category == NULL) { - gtk_label_set_text (GTK_LABEL (property_browser->details->title_label), _("Select A Category:")); + gtk_label_set_text (GTK_LABEL (property_browser->details->title_label), _("Select a Category:")); gtk_widget_hide(property_browser->details->add_button); gtk_widget_hide(property_browser->details->remove_button); Index: src//nautilus-server-connect.glade =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/nautilus-server-connect.glade,v retrieving revision 1.1 diff -u -r1.1 nautilus-server-connect.glade --- src//nautilus-server-connect.glade 31 Oct 2002 19:02:41 -0000 1.1 +++ src//nautilus-server-connect.glade 24 May 2003 23:58:34 -0000 @@ -2,21 +2,23 @@ + + 5 New Server GTK_WINDOW_TOPLEVEL GTK_WIN_POS_CENTER False False False - True + False True False - 0 + 2 @@ -40,8 +42,8 @@ True True True - gtk-ok - True + _Connect + True GTK_RELIEF_NORMAL -5 @@ -57,10 +59,10 @@ - 4 + 5 True False - 0 + 6 Index: src//file-manager/fm-properties-window.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/file-manager/fm-properties-window.c,v retrieving revision 1.171 diff -u -r1.171 fm-properties-window.c --- src//file-manager/fm-properties-window.c 15 May 2003 17:19:27 -0000 1.171 +++ src//file-manager/fm-properties-window.c 24 May 2003 23:58:35 -0000 @@ -271,66 +271,66 @@ GdkPixbuf *pixbuf; char *image_path; - image_path = gnome_vfs_get_local_path_from_uri (uri); - if (image_path == NULL) { - return FALSE; - } +image_path = gnome_vfs_get_local_path_from_uri (uri); +if (image_path == NULL) { + return FALSE; +} - pixbuf = gdk_pixbuf_new_from_file (image_path, NULL); - g_free (image_path); - - if (pixbuf == NULL) { - return FALSE; - } - g_object_unref (pixbuf); - return TRUE; +pixbuf = gdk_pixbuf_new_from_file (image_path, NULL); +g_free (image_path); + +if (pixbuf == NULL) { + return FALSE; +} +g_object_unref (pixbuf); +return TRUE; } static void reset_icon (FMPropertiesWindow *properties_window) { - NautilusFile *file; - - file = properties_window->details->original_file; - - nautilus_file_set_metadata (file, NAUTILUS_METADATA_KEY_CUSTOM_ICON, NULL, NULL); - nautilus_file_set_metadata (file, NAUTILUS_METADATA_KEY_ICON_SCALE, NULL, NULL); - - gtk_widget_set_sensitive (properties_window->details->remove_image_button, FALSE); +NautilusFile *file; + +file = properties_window->details->original_file; + +nautilus_file_set_metadata (file, NAUTILUS_METADATA_KEY_CUSTOM_ICON, NULL, NULL); +nautilus_file_set_metadata (file, NAUTILUS_METADATA_KEY_ICON_SCALE, NULL, NULL); + +gtk_widget_set_sensitive (properties_window->details->remove_image_button, FALSE); } static void fm_properties_window_drag_data_received (GtkWidget *widget, GdkDragContext *context, - int x, int y, - GtkSelectionData *selection_data, - guint info, guint time) -{ - char **uris; - gboolean exactly_one; - GtkImage *image; - GtkWindow *window; + int x, int y, + GtkSelectionData *selection_data, + guint info, guint time) +{ +char **uris; +gboolean exactly_one; +GtkImage *image; +GtkWindow *window; - image = GTK_IMAGE (widget); - window = GTK_WINDOW (gtk_widget_get_toplevel (GTK_WIDGET (image))); +image = GTK_IMAGE (widget); +window = GTK_WINDOW (gtk_widget_get_toplevel (GTK_WIDGET (image))); - if (info == TARGET_RESET_BACKGROUND) { - reset_icon (FM_PROPERTIES_WINDOW (window)); - - return; - } +if (info == TARGET_RESET_BACKGROUND) { + reset_icon (FM_PROPERTIES_WINDOW (window)); - uris = g_strsplit (selection_data->data, "\r\n", 0); - exactly_one = uris[0] != NULL && (uris[1] == NULL || uris[1][0] == '\0'); + return; +} + +uris = g_strsplit (selection_data->data, "\r\n", 0); +exactly_one = uris[0] != NULL && (uris[1] == NULL || uris[1][0] == '\0'); - if (!exactly_one) { - eel_show_error_dialog - (_("You can't assign more than one custom icon at a time! " - "Please drag just one image to set a custom icon."), - _("More Than One Image"), - window); - } else { - if (uri_is_local_image (uris[0])) { +if (!exactly_one) { + eel_show_error_dialog + (_("You can't assign more than one custom icon at a time! " + "Please drag just one image to set a custom icon."), + _("More Than One Image"), + window); +} else { + if (uri_is_local_image (uris[0])) { set_icon_callback (gnome_vfs_get_local_path_from_uri (uris[0]), FM_PROPERTIES_WINDOW (window)); } else { @@ -2388,6 +2388,7 @@ GtkWidget *vbox; GtkWidget *hbox; GtkWidget *button; + gchar *image_path; window = FM_PROPERTIES_WINDOW (gtk_widget_new (fm_properties_window_get_type (), NULL)); @@ -2402,6 +2403,11 @@ /* Set initial window title */ update_properties_window_title (GTK_WINDOW (window), window->details->target_file); + + image_path = gnome_vfs_mime_get_icon ("gnome-fs-directory"); + gtk_window_set_default_icon_from_file (image_path, NULL); + g_free (image_path); + /* Start monitoring the file attributes we display. Note that some * of the attributes are for the original file, and some for the * target file. @@ -2711,7 +2717,7 @@ g_assert (FM_IS_PROPERTIES_WINDOW (properties_window)); - dialog = eel_gnome_icon_selector_new (_("Select an icon:"), + dialog = eel_gnome_icon_selector_new (_("Select an icon"), NULL, GTK_WINDOW (properties_window), (EelIconSelectionFunction) set_icon_callback, --=-w3VrvF0e9J0dgfCmzrxf-- From chris@gnome-de.org Sat May 24 20:09:25 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.bytecamp.net (mail.bytecamp.net [212.204.60.9]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 665B91837F for ; Sat, 24 May 2003 20:09:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 5425 invoked by uid 88); 25 May 2003 00:09:22 -0000 Received: from pd9e97173.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO ?192.168.123.111?) (217.233.113.115) by mail.bytecamp.net with SMTP; 25 May 2003 00:09:22 -0000 Subject: [PATCH] Proposed Nautilus patch - attempt #2 From: Christian Neumair To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-pQDfx601sUM2FMHbHHEK" Message-Id: <1053821266.19612.2.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (Preview Release) Date: 25 May 2003 02:07:46 +0200 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-pQDfx601sUM2FMHbHHEK Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi there! Sorry, I sent the last patch twice PLUS it was erroneous as it contained dozens of weird useless changes. The attached patch HIGifies some glade dialogs (at least when it comes to spacing) and fixes two tiny typos. It should apply cleanly against HEAD. Please have a look at it and tell me whether it's ok to commit it. regs, Chris --=-pQDfx601sUM2FMHbHHEK Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=nautilus.varfixes.resent.diff Content-Type: text/plain; name=nautilus.varfixes.resent.diff; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ? src/nautilus-bookmarks-window.gladep ? src/nautilus-file-management-properties.gladep ? src/nautilus-server-connect.gladep Index: src//nautilus-bookmarks-window.glade =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/nautilus-bookmarks-window.glade,v retrieving revision 1.2 diff -u -r1.2 nautilus-bookmarks-window.glade --- src//nautilus-bookmarks-window.glade 23 Apr 2003 14:09:32 -0000 1.2 +++ src//nautilus-bookmarks-window.glade 25 May 2003 00:06:51 -0000 @@ -2,8 +2,10 @@ + + 5 Edit Bookmarks GTK_WINDOW_TOPLEVEL GTK_WIN_POS_CENTER @@ -16,7 +18,7 @@ True False - 0 + 2 @@ -81,10 +83,10 @@ - 2 + 5 True True - 6 + 18 @@ -96,15 +98,14 @@ - 2 True False - 2 + 6 True - _Bookmarks + <b>_Bookmarks</b> True True GTK_JUSTIFY_LEFT @@ -124,27 +125,61 @@ - + True - True - GTK_POLICY_NEVER - GTK_POLICY_AUTOMATIC - GTK_SHADOW_IN - GTK_CORNER_TOP_LEFT + False + 0 - + + True + + False + False + GTK_JUSTIFY_LEFT + False + False + 0.5 + 0.5 + 0 + 0 + + + 0 + False + False + + + + + True True - False - False - True - True + GTK_POLICY_NEVER + GTK_POLICY_AUTOMATIC + GTK_SHADOW_IN + GTK_CORNER_TOP_LEFT + + + + True + True + False + False + True + True + + + + 0 + True + True + - 2 + 0 True True @@ -169,78 +204,171 @@ - 2 True False - 6 + 18 - - True - _Name: - True - True - GTK_JUSTIFY_LEFT - False - False - 0 - 0.5 - 0 - 0 - - - 0 - False - False - - - - - + True False - 0 + 6 - + + True + <b>_Name</b> + True + True + GTK_JUSTIFY_LEFT + False + False + 0 + 0.5 + 0 + 0 + + + 0 + False + False + - - - 0 - False - True - - - - - True - _Location: - True - True - GTK_JUSTIFY_LEFT - False - False - 0 - 0.5 - 2 - 2 + + + True + False + 0 + + + + True + + False + False + GTK_JUSTIFY_LEFT + False + False + 0.5 + 0.5 + 0 + 0 + + + 0 + False + False + + + + + + True + False + 0 + + + + + + + 0 + True + True + + + + + 0 + True + True + + 0 False - False + True - + True False - 0 + 6 - + + True + <b>_Location</b> + True + True + GTK_JUSTIFY_LEFT + False + False + 0 + 0.5 + 2 + 2 + + + 0 + False + False + + + + + + True + False + 0 + + + + True + + False + False + GTK_JUSTIFY_LEFT + False + False + 0.5 + 0.5 + 0 + 0 + + + 0 + False + False + + + + + + True + False + 0 + + + + + + + 0 + True + True + + + + + 0 + True + True + @@ -248,14 +376,6 @@ False True - - - - - - - - Index: src//nautilus-file-management-properties.glade =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/nautilus-file-management-properties.glade,v retrieving revision 1.5 diff -u -r1.5 nautilus-file-management-properties.glade --- src//nautilus-file-management-properties.glade 6 Mar 2003 21:03:09 -0000 1.5 +++ src//nautilus-file-management-properties.glade 25 May 2003 00:06:52 -0000 @@ -2,8 +2,10 @@ + + 5 True File Management Preferences GTK_WINDOW_TOPLEVEL @@ -17,7 +19,7 @@ True False - 0 + 2 @@ -65,8 +67,6 @@ True GTK_POS_TOP False - 2 - 2 False Index: src//nautilus-property-browser.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/nautilus-property-browser.c,v retrieving revision 1.197 diff -u -r1.197 nautilus-property-browser.c --- src//nautilus-property-browser.c 23 Apr 2003 09:49:52 -0000 1.197 +++ src//nautilus-property-browser.c 25 May 2003 00:06:54 -0000 @@ -2034,7 +2034,7 @@ /* update the title and button */ if (property_browser->details->category == NULL) { - gtk_label_set_text (GTK_LABEL (property_browser->details->title_label), _("Select A Category:")); + gtk_label_set_text (GTK_LABEL (property_browser->details->title_label), _("Select a Category:")); gtk_widget_hide(property_browser->details->add_button); gtk_widget_hide(property_browser->details->remove_button); Index: src//nautilus-server-connect.glade =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/nautilus-server-connect.glade,v retrieving revision 1.1 diff -u -r1.1 nautilus-server-connect.glade --- src//nautilus-server-connect.glade 31 Oct 2002 19:02:41 -0000 1.1 +++ src//nautilus-server-connect.glade 25 May 2003 00:06:54 -0000 @@ -2,21 +2,23 @@ + + 5 New Server GTK_WINDOW_TOPLEVEL GTK_WIN_POS_CENTER False False False - True + False True False - 0 + 2 @@ -40,8 +42,8 @@ True True True - gtk-ok - True + _Connect + True GTK_RELIEF_NORMAL -5 @@ -57,10 +59,10 @@ - 4 + 5 True False - 0 + 6 Index: src//file-manager/fm-properties-window.c =================================================================== RCS file: /cvs/gnome/nautilus/src/file-manager/fm-properties-window.c,v retrieving revision 1.171 diff -u -r1.171 fm-properties-window.c --- src//file-manager/fm-properties-window.c 15 May 2003 17:19:27 -0000 1.171 +++ src//file-manager/fm-properties-window.c 25 May 2003 00:06:55 -0000 @@ -2711,7 +2711,7 @@ g_assert (FM_IS_PROPERTIES_WINDOW (properties_window)); - dialog = eel_gnome_icon_selector_new (_("Select an icon:"), + dialog = eel_gnome_icon_selector_new (_("Select an icon"), NULL, GTK_WINDOW (properties_window), (EelIconSelectionFunction) set_icon_callback, --=-pQDfx601sUM2FMHbHHEK-- From ettore@ximian.com Sat May 24 20:18:11 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from milkplus (h-66-167-173-127.CMBRMAOR.covad.net [66.167.173.127]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC64A1837F; Sat, 24 May 2003 20:18:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by milkplus (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3ADB218402F; Sat, 24 May 2003 20:18:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Ettore Perazzoli To: Dave Camp Cc: Alan Cox , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" , nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1053110069.7841.362.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> References: <200305161521.h4GFLTb07444@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1053098752.7841.159.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> <1053110069.7841.362.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1053821887.983.109.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.91 (Preview Release) Date: 24 May 2003 20:18:07 -0400 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 14:34, Dave Camp wrote: > I just checked in a patch to show a desktop emblem on the desktop > folder. You need the latest gnome-icon-theme and nautilus. (Sorry to chime in late but) shouldn't it just use the desktop icon instead of an emblem? -- Ettore From dave@ximian.com Sat May 24 20:35:55 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [141.154.95.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FD3F187DF for ; Sat, 24 May 2003 20:35:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 17320 invoked from network); 25 May 2003 00:35:54 -0000 Received: from dmz.ximian.com (HELO squee.boston.ximian.com) (141.154.95.1) by peabody.ximian.com with RC4-MD5 encrypted SMTP; 25 May 2003 00:35:54 -0000 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Dave Camp To: Ettore Perazzoli Cc: Alan Cox , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" , nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1053821887.983.109.camel@localhost> References: <200305161521.h4GFLTb07444@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1053098752.7841.159.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> <1053110069.7841.362.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> <1053821887.983.109.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Ximian, Inc. Message-Id: <1053822928.5613.13.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 24 May 2003 20:35:28 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Maybe. I like the emblem better, because it seems to be adding information to the folder icon ("this is the folder that is in the desktop"). The desktop icon doesn't really seem to make it clear that it's a folder. -dave On Sat, 2003-05-24 at 20:18, Ettore Perazzoli wrote: > On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 14:34, Dave Camp wrote: > > I just checked in a patch to show a desktop emblem on the desktop > > folder. You need the latest gnome-icon-theme and nautilus. > > (Sorry to chime in late but) shouldn't it just use the desktop icon > instead of an emblem? > > -- Ettore From ettore@ximian.com Sat May 24 20:50:55 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from milkplus (h-66-167-173-127.CMBRMAOR.covad.net [66.167.173.127]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FCAE185B3; Sat, 24 May 2003 20:50:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by milkplus (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4177018402F; Sat, 24 May 2003 20:50:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Ettore Perazzoli To: Dave Camp Cc: Alan Cox , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" , nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1053822928.5613.13.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> References: <200305161521.h4GFLTb07444@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1053098752.7841.159.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> <1053110069.7841.362.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> <1053821887.983.109.camel@localhost> <1053822928.5613.13.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1053823853.983.120.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.91 (Preview Release) Date: 24 May 2003 20:50:53 -0400 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I see your point; however, if the problem is that users might get confused that it's a folder and not the desktop, it might be clearer to just use a different icon. OS X, Windows and KDE also use a special icon and it seems to work well for users over there. BTW, is the emblem appearing in the emblem manipulation GUI? That could be confusing... On Sat, 2003-05-24 at 20:35, Dave Camp wrote: > Maybe. I like the emblem better, because it seems to be adding > information to the folder icon ("this is the folder that is in the > desktop"). The desktop icon doesn't really seem to make it clear that > it's a folder. > > -dave > > On Sat, 2003-05-24 at 20:18, Ettore Perazzoli wrote: > > On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 14:34, Dave Camp wrote: > > > I just checked in a patch to show a desktop emblem on the desktop > > > folder. You need the latest gnome-icon-theme and nautilus. > > > > (Sorry to chime in late but) shouldn't it just use the desktop icon > > instead of an emblem? > > > > -- Ettore > From dave@ximian.com Sat May 24 20:52:55 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [141.154.95.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A694187DF for ; Sat, 24 May 2003 20:52:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 18217 invoked from network); 25 May 2003 00:52:54 -0000 Received: from dmz.ximian.com (HELO squee.boston.ximian.com) (141.154.95.1) by peabody.ximian.com with RC4-MD5 encrypted SMTP; 25 May 2003 00:52:54 -0000 Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Dave Camp To: Ettore Perazzoli Cc: "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" , nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1053823853.983.120.camel@localhost> References: <200305161521.h4GFLTb07444@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1053098752.7841.159.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> <1053110069.7841.362.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> <1053821887.983.109.camel@localhost> <1053822928.5613.13.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> <1053823853.983.120.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Ximian, Inc. Message-Id: <1053823948.26203.16.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 24 May 2003 20:52:28 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sat, 2003-05-24 at 20:50, Ettore Perazzoli wrote: > I see your point; however, if the problem is that users might get > confused that it's a folder and not the desktop, it might be clearer to > just use a different icon. OS X, Windows and KDE also use a special > icon and it seems to work well for users over there. That might be true. > BTW, is the emblem appearing in the emblem manipulation GUI? That could > be confusing... No, it's filtered out. -dave > > On Sat, 2003-05-24 at 20:35, Dave Camp wrote: > > Maybe. I like the emblem better, because it seems to be adding > > information to the folder icon ("this is the folder that is in the > > desktop"). The desktop icon doesn't really seem to make it clear that > > it's a folder. > > > > -dave > > > > On Sat, 2003-05-24 at 20:18, Ettore Perazzoli wrote: > > > On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 14:34, Dave Camp wrote: > > > > I just checked in a patch to show a desktop emblem on the desktop > > > > folder. You need the latest gnome-icon-theme and nautilus. > > > > > > (Sorry to chime in late but) shouldn't it just use the desktop icon > > > instead of an emblem? > > > > > > -- Ettore > > > From ettore@ximian.com Sat May 24 21:11:34 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from milkplus (h-66-167-173-127.CMBRMAOR.covad.net [66.167.173.127]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50F3E18282; Sat, 24 May 2003 21:11:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by milkplus (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 02E4F18402F; Sat, 24 May 2003 21:11:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Major change in desktop handling From: Ettore Perazzoli To: Dave Camp Cc: Alan Cox , "gnome-hackers@gnome.org" , nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1053822928.5613.13.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> References: <200305161521.h4GFLTb07444@devserv.devel.redhat.com> <1053098752.7841.159.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> <1053110069.7841.362.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> <1053821887.983.109.camel@localhost> <1053822928.5613.13.camel@squee.boston.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1053825092.983.138.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.91 (Preview Release) Date: 24 May 2003 21:11:32 -0400 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I also forgot to mention: icon + emblem might not look obvious at all when using small icons, e.g. in the (new) file selector, or in the list view. On Sat, 2003-05-24 at 20:35, Dave Camp wrote: > Maybe. I like the emblem better, because it seems to be adding > information to the folder icon ("this is the folder that is in the > desktop"). The desktop icon doesn't really seem to make it clear that > it's a folder. > > -dave > > On Sat, 2003-05-24 at 20:18, Ettore Perazzoli wrote: > > On Fri, 2003-05-16 at 14:34, Dave Camp wrote: > > > I just checked in a patch to show a desktop emblem on the desktop > > > folder. You need the latest gnome-icon-theme and nautilus. > > > > (Sorry to chime in late but) shouldn't it just use the desktop icon > > instead of an emblem? > > > > -- Ettore > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-hackers mailing list > gnome-hackers@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-hackers > From gavrilus@tiscalinet.it Sun May 25 06:10:08 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from alfa.fastwebnet.it (unknown [213.140.2.42]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CBA31882F for ; Sun, 25 May 2003 06:10:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [23.15.109.75] (23.15.109.75) by alfa.fastwebnet.it (6.7.016) id 3EAF5CEF003982FE for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Sun, 25 May 2003 12:10:07 +0200 Subject: Nautilus Wish From: Gavrila To: Nautilus List Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1053857406.492.3.camel@Kreuzberg> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (Preview Release) Date: 25 May 2003 12:10:07 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I have a wish. I wish I could access the same options in the contextual menu either if I browse with "view as Icons", or "view as list". For example, if I browse with the latter, I cannot create a new folder. I know there are tons of things to do, but if u developers have time that's my thought :) Best Regards -- Gavrila Linux Registered User Linux Registered Machine Powered by Debian[SiD] From gavrilus@tiscalinet.it Sun May 25 11:21:44 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from alfa.fastwebnet.it (unknown [213.140.2.42]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E5C318372 for ; Sun, 25 May 2003 11:21:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [23.15.109.75] (23.15.109.75) by alfa.fastwebnet.it (6.7.016) id 3EAF5CEF0039C6C5 for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Sun, 25 May 2003 17:21:43 +0200 Subject: Re: Nautilus Wish From: Gavrila To: Nautilus List In-Reply-To: <1053857406.492.3.camel@Kreuzberg> References: <1053857406.492.3.camel@Kreuzberg> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1053876104.3460.8.camel@Kreuzberg> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (Preview Release) Date: 25 May 2003 17:21:44 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Il dom, 2003-05-25 alle 12:10, Gavrila ha scritto: > I have a wish. I wish I could access the same options in the > contextual > menu either if I browse with "view as Icons", or "view as list". > For example, if I browse with the latter, I cannot create a new > folder. > I know there are tons of things to do, but if u developers have time > that's my thought :) I'd like to add in my wishlist, the possibility to look for files pressing a letter in the 'view as list' mode, as in 'view as icons' mode. I use gnome 2.2 if in 2.3 all these things are already solved I apologize and I ask you to ignore my last 2 mails :) TIA -- Gavrila Linux Registered User Linux Registered Machine Powered by Debian[SiD] From petri.kanerva@surfeu.fi Mon May 26 04:27:40 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from surfeu.fi (mailbox.surfeu.fi [213.173.154.4]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16F00181F8 for ; Mon, 26 May 2003 04:27:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DynIP-146-116.Hki5.surfeu.fi (account petri.kanerva [213.173.146.116] verified) by surfeu.fi (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.1) with ESMTP id 42069775 for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Mon, 26 May 2003 11:27:35 +0300 Subject: Re: Bug with volume handling in 2.3.2 From: Petri Kanerva To: Nautilus In-Reply-To: <1053693643.30145.546.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1053616789.243.13.camel@darkstar.example.net> <1053693643.30145.546.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1053937664.246.18.camel@darkstar.example.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.2 (Preview Release) Date: 26 May 2003 11:28:44 +0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, 2003-05-23 at 15:40, Alexander Larsson wrote: > This should be fixes in CVS now. Could you test it? Sorry, but no. My home machine is behind a modem, so the download would abe a pain. And the machine I use to get the released packages is a win-machine, and I'v had bad experiences with win cvs. So if someone would make a package of the cvs and put it somewhere for me to dl, or tell me about a working win cvs software. Petri From rosselli@ling.unipi.it Mon May 26 05:16:17 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from arno.humnet.unipi.it (arno.humnet.unipi.it [131.114.40.49]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18077185EC; Mon, 26 May 2003 05:16:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [81.211.183.63] (helo=ling.unipi.it) by arno.humnet.unipi.it with asmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19KE60-00065C-O5; Mon, 26 May 2003 11:16:45 +0200 Message-ID: <3ED1DB6D.8000904@ling.unipi.it> Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 11:16:29 +0200 From: Roberto Rosselli Del Turco User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4b) Gecko/20030313 X-Accept-Language: it, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: GNOME Usability List , GNOME Desktop Hackers , Nautilus Subject: PPP dialer (Re: Bug with volume handling in 2.3.2) References: <1053616789.243.13.camel@darkstar.example.net> <1053693643.30145.546.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1053937664.246.18.camel@darkstar.example.net> In-Reply-To: <1053937664.246.18.camel@darkstar.example.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Petri Kanerva wrote: > On Fri, 2003-05-23 at 15:40, Alexander Larsson wrote: > >>This should be fixes in CVS now. Could you test it? > > Sorry, but no. My home machine is behind a modem, so the download would > abe a pain. And the machine I use to get the released packages is a > win-machine, and I'v had bad experiences with win cvs. So if someone > would make a package of the cvs and put it somewhere for me to dl, or > tell me about a working win cvs software. BTW, is there some plan to add a decent PPP dialer to the GNOME Desktop applets/utilities? Many users are still limited by modem connections, and it's a shame that I can only suggest to use KPPP (I myself have broadband at the university but only a plain old telephone line at home, and the assorted utilites available under GNOME/GTK never worked for me or my friends). Worse, I guess that third world countries will follow the same route, i.e. PPP connections for a looong time before having the luxury of an ADSL line. I believe this point has been raised on Footnotes several times in the past. Hope it will be considered by the GNOME developers. [Sorry for the cross posting] Ciao -- Roberto Rosselli Del Turco e-mail: rosselli at cisi.unito.it Dipartimento di Scienze rosselli at ling.unipi.it del Linguaggio Then spoke the thunder DA Universita' di Torino Datta: what have we given? (TSE) Hige sceal the heardra, heorte the cenre, mod sceal the mare, the ure maegen litlath. (Maldon 312-3) From lindkvis@stud.ntnu.no Mon May 26 05:59:13 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from flaske.stud.ntnu.no (flaske.stud.ntnu.no [129.241.56.72]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8288B18534 for ; Mon, 26 May 2003 05:59:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by flaske.stud.ntnu.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EABDFFA2B; Mon, 26 May 2003 11:59:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jaguar.stud.ntnu.no (jaguar.stud.ntnu.no [129.241.56.181]) by flaske.stud.ntnu.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6BEDFFA1C; Mon, 26 May 2003 11:59:11 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 26 May 2003 11:59:11 +0200 (CEST) From: Gaute Lindkvist To: Alexander Larsson Cc: Petri Kanerva , Nautilus Subject: Re: Bug with volume handling in 2.3.2 In-Reply-To: <1053693643.30145.546.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: References: <1053616789.243.13.camel@darkstar.example.net> <1053693643.30145.546.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > > As the regular mount point for the win-partition is /mnt/C. > > Then made appropriate line to fstab for the new mount point with another > > partiton as to the regular C. Now, when the new 'C' is mounted from > > Nautilus, it crashes again, because the desktop would have two 'C' > > labels. When the files were created for volumes, it's normal to add the > > '(2)' to the fil names, and so to the labels on the desktop. > > This should be fixes in CVS now. Could you test it? > This is probably the same as my weird bug which I mentioned to you on IRC. (lindkvis's home suddenly became Trash or just home with no icon and went back to normal after restarting Nautilus) It seemed to disappear after a CVS-update, but it saw if again this weekend. I haven't updated for some days, so I'll test this when I return home this evening. Gaute From alexl@redhat.com Mon May 26 07:58:31 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02D7418341 for ; Mon, 26 May 2003 07:58:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h4QBwQ523015; Mon, 26 May 2003 07:58:26 -0400 Subject: Re: Bug with volume handling in 2.3.2 From: Alexander Larsson To: Gaute Lindkvist Cc: Petri Kanerva , Nautilus In-Reply-To: References: <1053616789.243.13.camel@darkstar.example.net> <1053693643.30145.546.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1053950305.19244.33.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.91.99 (Preview Release) Date: 26 May 2003 13:58:26 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Mon, 2003-05-26 at 11:59, Gaute Lindkvist wrote: > > > As the regular mount point for the win-partition is /mnt/C. > > > Then made appropriate line to fstab for the new mount point with another > > > partiton as to the regular C. Now, when the new 'C' is mounted from > > > Nautilus, it crashes again, because the desktop would have two 'C' > > > labels. When the files were created for volumes, it's normal to add the > > > '(2)' to the fil names, and so to the labels on the desktop. > > > > This should be fixes in CVS now. Could you test it? > > > This is probably the same as my weird bug which I mentioned to you on IRC. > (lindkvis's home suddenly became Trash or just home with no icon and went > back to normal after restarting Nautilus) > It seemed to disappear after a CVS-update, but it saw if again this > weekend. I haven't updated for some days, so I'll test this when I return home this > evening. Unless nautilus got stuck in an infinite loop it is probably not the same bug. Some other things got fixed, but nothing that would make it behave like that... =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a scrappy devious jungle king fleeing from a secret government programme. She's a wealthy blonde snake charmer with a knack for trouble. They fight crime! From calum.benson@sun.com Mon May 26 08:29:53 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 567BE18610 for ; Mon, 26 May 2003 08:29:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM ([129.156.220.69]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4QCTpep010492; Mon, 26 May 2003 06:29:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [129.156.238.57] (simcity [129.156.238.57]) by dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM (8.11.7+Sun/8.10.2/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id h4QCToh22970; Mon, 26 May 2003 13:29:51 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Nautilus Wish From: Calum Benson To: Gavrila Cc: Nautilus List In-Reply-To: <1053857406.492.3.camel@Kreuzberg> References: <1053857406.492.3.camel@Kreuzberg> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Sun Microsystems Ireland Ltd Message-Id: <1053952174.1661.262.camel@simcity> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.4.99 Date: 26 May 2003 13:29:47 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sun, 2003-05-25 at 11:10, Gavrila wrote: > I have a wish. I wish I could access the same options in the contextual > menu either if I browse with "view as Icons", or "view as list". > For example, if I browse with the latter, I cannot create a new folder. > I know there are tons of things to do, but if u developers have time > that's my thought :) Yeah, this is an annoying one alright... basically it's covered by http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94618 -- background menu not available in list view. Cheeri, Calum. -- CALUM BENSON, Usability Engineer Sun Microsystems Ireland mailto:calum.benson@sun.com GNOME Desktop Group http://ie.sun.com +353 1 819 9771 Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Sun Microsystems From calum.benson@sun.com Mon May 26 08:31:37 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13FE518610 for ; Mon, 26 May 2003 08:31:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM ([129.156.220.69]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4QCVQep011365; Mon, 26 May 2003 06:31:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from simcity (simcity [129.156.238.57]) by dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM (8.11.7+Sun/8.10.2/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id h4QCVPh23424; Mon, 26 May 2003 13:31:25 +0100 (BST) Subject: Re: Nautilus Wish From: Calum Benson To: Gavrila Cc: Nautilus List In-Reply-To: <1053876104.3460.8.camel@Kreuzberg> References: <1053857406.492.3.camel@Kreuzberg> <1053876104.3460.8.camel@Kreuzberg> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Sun Microsystems Ireland Ltd Message-Id: <1053952275.1661.265.camel@simcity> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.4.99 Date: 26 May 2003 13:31:22 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sun, 2003-05-25 at 16:21, Gavrila wrote: > I use gnome 2.2 if in 2.3 all these things are already solved I > apologize and I ask you to ignore my last 2 mails :) No, this one's not fixed yet either :/ It's http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=85230. Cheeri, Calum. -- CALUM BENSON, Usability Engineer Sun Microsystems Ireland mailto:calum.benson@sun.com GNOME Desktop Group http://ie.sun.com +353 1 819 9771 Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Sun Microsystems From gavrilus@tiscalinet.it Mon May 26 10:07:47 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from alfa.fastwebnet.it (unknown [213.140.2.42]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE6F718932 for ; Mon, 26 May 2003 10:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [23.15.109.75] (23.15.109.75) by alfa.fastwebnet.it (6.7.016) id 3EAF5CEF003BC6AA for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Mon, 26 May 2003 16:07:46 +0200 Subject: Re: Nautilus Wish From: Gavrila To: Nautilus List In-Reply-To: <1053952275.1661.265.camel@simcity> References: <1053857406.492.3.camel@Kreuzberg> <1053876104.3460.8.camel@Kreuzberg> <1053952275.1661.265.camel@simcity> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1053958067.990.14.camel@Kreuzberg> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (Preview Release) Date: 26 May 2003 16:07:47 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Tnx for your reply. there's another thing I would really like to see in gnome. When some gtk2 app need to browse for some files, it would be really cool to open a dialog like konqueror does, with a mini nautilus browser in it, so thato moving and browsing amnog files is nicier and easier. Please let me know if I'm writing bullshits :))) Regards -- Gavrila Linux Registered User Linux Registered Machine Powered by Debian[SiD] From alexl@redhat.com Mon May 26 10:08:22 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 976D71891D for ; Mon, 26 May 2003 10:08:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h4QE8J511816; Mon, 26 May 2003 10:08:19 -0400 Subject: Re: [PATCH] Proposed Nautilus patch - attempt #2 From: Alexander Larsson To: Christian Neumair Cc: Nautilus In-Reply-To: <1053821266.19612.2.camel@localhost> References: <1053821266.19612.2.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1053958098.19244.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.91.99 (Preview Release) Date: 26 May 2003 16:08:18 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sun, 2003-05-25 at 02:07, Christian Neumair wrote: > Hi there! > Sorry, I sent the last patch twice PLUS it was erroneous as it contained > dozens of weird useless changes. > The attached patch HIGifies some glade dialogs (at least when it comes > to spacing) and fixes two tiny typos. It should apply cleanly against > HEAD. > Please have a look at it and tell me whether it's ok to commit it. I checked this in. Thanks. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a short-sighted Republican senator from a doomed world. She's a disco-crazy insomniac bodyguard from a family of eight older brothers. They fight crime! From Greg.Haywood@police.sa.gov.au Mon May 26 20:13:07 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from adl0133.systems.sa.gov.au (adl0133.systems.sa.gov.au [143.216.236.20]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0AD9181A4 for ; Mon, 26 May 2003 20:13:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from adl0133.systems.sa.gov.au (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by adl0133.systems.sa.gov.au OUTGOING (8.12.9/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h4R0CuNC012682 for ; Tue, 27 May 2003 09:42:57 +0930 (CST)' Received: from sagemsbb006.saugov.sa.gov.au (sagemsbb006.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au [143.216.59.14]) by adl0133.systems.sa.gov.au INCOMING (8.12.9/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h4R0CtFT012637 for ; Tue, 27 May 2003 09:42:55 +0930 (CST)' Received: by sagemsbb006.sagemsmrd01.sa.gov.au with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2654.89) id ; Tue, 27 May 2003 09:42:55 +0930 Message-ID: <05B70DCC62132C4981F4DD0CCBE90CA30278C1@sagemsj0014> From: "Haywood, Greg (SAPOL)" To: "'nautilus-list@gnome.org'" Subject: automount usb devices Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 09:42:57 +0930 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2654.89) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C323E4.B9BDE1A2" Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C323E4.B9BDE1A2 Content-Type: text/plain Hi all, I would love to see a "automount" sort of feature where devices like memory sticks, cameras etc mount in the root of the tree view automagically (and unmount when removed). It's a problem I find whenever I try to convince a MS user to move to linux/gnome - they expect this sort of thing to just be there and work without fuss. Thanks, Greg ------_=_NextPart_001_01C323E4.B9BDE1A2 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all,

I would love to see a = "automount" sort of feature where devices like = memory sticks, cameras etc mount in the root of the tree view automagically (and unmount when removed).

It's a problem I find whenever I try to convince a = MS user to move to linux/gnome - they expect this = sort of thing to just be there and work without = fuss.

 

Thanks,

 

Greg

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01C323E4.B9BDE1A2-- From petri.kanerva@surfeu.fi Wed May 28 01:51:38 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from surfeu.fi (mailbox.surfeu.fi [213.173.154.4]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA2561810D for ; Wed, 28 May 2003 01:51:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from DynIP-144-130.Tku.surfeu.fi (account petri.kanerva [213.173.144.130] verified) by surfeu.fi (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.1) with ESMTP id 42196189 for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Wed, 28 May 2003 08:51:34 +0300 Subject: BUG With listview draging with 2.3.2 (and previously) From: Petri Kanerva To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1054063420.242.8.camel@darkstar.example.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.2 (Preview Release) Date: 28 May 2003 08:52:51 +0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This bug was introduced in the 2.2 branch when there were UI fixes for listview. Now that dragging is done via the middle-button (mousewheel in my case) when I have selected multiple files and try to drag them, only the file that I click on is dragged. If I hold control down when starting to drag, all other files are dragged, except the file I clicked on. Reason: the middle-button is treated like LMB when clickin, so that it changes selection before dragging. IMHO it should be only used to drag and the selecting /unselecting done via LMB. Is this an oversight in the code, or intended? Petri From alexl@redhat.com Wed May 28 06:22:23 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADC8418407 for ; Wed, 28 May 2003 06:22:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sebastian-int.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.221]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id h4SAMK501217; Wed, 28 May 2003 06:22:21 -0400 Subject: Re: BUG With listview draging with 2.3.2 (and previously) From: Alexander Larsson To: Petri Kanerva Cc: Nautilus In-Reply-To: <1054063420.242.8.camel@darkstar.example.net> References: <1054063420.242.8.camel@darkstar.example.net> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1054117339.5782.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.92 (Preview Release) Date: 28 May 2003 12:22:20 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, 2003-05-28 at 07:52, Petri Kanerva wrote: > This bug was introduced in the 2.2 branch when there were UI fixes for > listview. > > Now that dragging is done via the middle-button (mousewheel in my case) > when I have selected multiple files and try to drag them, only the file > that I click on is dragged. If I hold control down when starting to > drag, all other files are dragged, except the file I clicked on. > > Reason: the middle-button is treated like LMB when clickin, so that it > changes selection before dragging. IMHO it should be only used to drag > and the selecting /unselecting done via LMB. Is this an oversight in the > code, or intended? Its clearly a bug that we need to fix. The unselection should only happen on release, like in the icon view. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alexander Larsson Red Hat, Inc alexl@redhat.com alla@lysator.liu.se He's a hate-fuelled amnesiac waffle chef fleeing from a secret government programme. She's a psychotic mute mechanic in the witness protection program. They fight crime! From Murray.Cumming@Comneon.com Thu May 29 05:08:27 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp1.infineon.com (smtp1.infineon.com [194.175.117.76]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06D6618304; Thu, 29 May 2003 05:08:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vihsx03a.vih.infineon.com (vih.ifx-mail3.com [172.31.163.97]) by smtp1.infineon.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4T98AxZ022596; Thu, 29 May 2003 11:08:11 +0200 (MEST) Received: by vihsx03a.vih.infineon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Thu, 29 May 2003 11:08:58 +0200 Message-ID: <258B0164D480D5118D900800062B3858FFB66B@vihsx09a.vih.infineon.com> From: Murray.Cumming@Comneon.com To: rosselli@ling.unipi.it, usability@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org, nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: RE: PPP dialer (Re: Bug with volume handling in 2.3.2) Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 11:08:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > From: Roberto Rosselli Del Turco [mailto:rosselli@ling.unipi.it] > Petri Kanerva wrote: > > On Fri, 2003-05-23 at 15:40, Alexander Larsson wrote: > > > >>This should be fixes in CVS now. Could you test it? > > > > Sorry, but no. My home machine is behind a modem, so the > download would > > abe a pain. And the machine I use to get the released packages is a > > win-machine, and I'v had bad experiences with win cvs. So if someone > > would make a package of the cvs and put it somewhere for me > to dl, or > > tell me about a working win cvs software. > > BTW, is there some plan to add a decent PPP dialer to the > GNOME Desktop > applets/utilities? I believe there's one in gnome-system-tools. The decision has not yet been made for that new module. Try it out. Tell us what you think. Murray Cumming murrayc@usa.net www.murrayc.com From rosselli@ling.unipi.it Thu May 29 08:04:01 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from arno.humnet.unipi.it (arno.humnet.unipi.it [131.114.40.49]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40F331854C; Thu, 29 May 2003 08:04:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [81.211.151.72] (helo=ling.unipi.it) by arno.humnet.unipi.it with asmtp (Exim 4.20) id 19LM8t-0004sn-1t; Thu, 29 May 2003 14:04:23 +0200 Message-ID: <3ED5F698.5080504@ling.unipi.it> Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 14:01:28 +0200 From: Roberto Rosselli Del Turco User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4b) Gecko/20030313 X-Accept-Language: it, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carlos Garnacho Parro Cc: Murray.Cumming@Comneon.com, usability@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org, nautilus-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Usability] RE: PPP dialer (Re: Bug with volume handling in 2.3.2) References: <258B0164D480D5118D900800062B3858FFB66B@vihsx09a.vih.infineon.com> <13670.195.235.92.108.1054205248.squirrel@www.tuxerver.net> In-Reply-To: <13670.195.235.92.108.1054205248.squirrel@www.tuxerver.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Carlos Garnacho Parro wrote: >>> >>>BTW, is there some plan to add a decent PPP dialer to the >>>GNOME Desktop >>>applets/utilities? >> >>I believe there's one in gnome-system-tools. The decision has not yet been >>made for that new module. Try it out. Tell us what you think. > > > in the gnome-system-tools there is a network-admin tool, that configures > PPP too, but I understand that this is not designed as a PPP dialer, I'm > planning to write one based on gst, as you may run a standalone ppp druid > when doing: > > ./network-admin --ppp-connection This is an excellent idea. I tried to set up a pair of PPP connections with network-admin and they worked flawlessly at first launch (the connections druid looks great, too). As Carlos remarked, though, network-admin is a configuration tool, unsuitable for this use: actually all that you need after having configured a PPP(/other) connection is a small utility/applet to activate the desired connection. Ciao -- Roberto Rosselli Del Turco e-mail: rosselli at cisi.unito.it Dipartimento di Scienze rosselli at ling.unipi.it del Linguaggio Then spoke the thunder DA Universita' di Torino Datta: what have we given? (TSE) Hige sceal the heardra, heorte the cenre, mod sceal the mare, the ure maegen litlath. (Maldon 312-3) From sisob@eircom.net Fri May 30 18:07:39 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mail2.mail.iol.ie (mail2.mail.iol.ie [194.125.2.193]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E20518E02; Fri, 30 May 2003 18:07:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aa-airlock108.esatclear.ie ([213.202.167.108]) by mail2.mail.iol.ie with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19Ls2E-0004YB-00; Fri, 30 May 2003 23:07:38 +0100 Subject: Killing Views Part 2 - The return of the Usabilty study From: Mark Finlay To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Cc: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org, usability@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1054332497.5903.12.camel@dogbert> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 30 May 2003 23:08:17 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: We recently had a discussion about killing nautilus internal file views. And it was one of those issues that I wished I had some usability statistics to back it up. Today I've been reading the usability review that sun did of Gnome 1.2 and came accross this page: http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/ut1_report/file_management.html Users were confused by the read only view of a text file and said things like: "I was expecting a word processing app to open [the file]...weird." "I was confused when the text file opened in a browser type thing." The sun reccomendation was to make it more clear that the file is read only, but I would say that it makes more sense to remove the internal viewing of files in nautilus all together, now that nautilus is no longer used as a web browser. There is no real benefit to viewing a text file or image in nautilus AFAICT, but there are definately drawbacks, and as that usability study shows, it causes user frustration and confusion. I don't want to start another holy war. But I would love to get a response from the nautilus maints for or against this. The rest of us can argue to we go blue in the face, but if the maints aren't listening then there is no point. Thanks for you time, -- Mark Finlay From alan@ufies.org Fri May 30 18:23:58 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from master.ufies.org (folly.ufies.org [204.174.19.9]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF65418162; Fri, 30 May 2003 18:23:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by master.ufies.org (Postfix, from userid 1032) id B529D3E2106; Fri, 30 May 2003 15:23:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 15:23:56 -0700 From: Alan To: nautilus-list@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Killing Views Part 2 - The return of the Usabilty study Message-ID: <20030530222356.GI12786@ufies.org> Mail-Followup-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org References: <1054332497.5903.12.camel@dogbert> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1054332497.5903.12.camel@dogbert> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: [snip] > There is no real benefit to viewing a text file or image in nautilus > AFAICT, but there are definately drawbacks, and as that usability > study shows, it causes user frustration and confusion. > > I don't want to start another holy war. But I would love to get a > response from the nautilus maints for or against this. The rest of us > can argue to we go blue in the face, but if the maints aren't listening > then there is no point. Personally I agree with most of this, but there are a couple of things that I do use the nautilus internal views for. Image viewing. While I do 99% of my file maintenance on the command line, any sort of organization of images is made 1000x easier with the thumbnail view, and by extension, the ability to view the "full" image within nautilus (lets call it "zoom" for now). If I just want a bit closer look at my random_wallpaper.png I don't want to have to deal with popping up the gimp or eog each time, I just want it in the same window. The other thing is for viewing of text files. Nautilus already provides the ability to see a bit of the text file, so I'd expect it to be able to view it all (maybe, "zoom" it). Text files are again, fast and quick to view, and don't require special programs to process them, unlike abiword/.doc, etc. Maybe instead of having internal viewers nautilus could have a "zoom" function. If the visual representation of this zoom was done right it could be obvious or more obvious to the end user that they weren't getting the full deal, just a close up look at the file they wanted to see. If done right maybe all the internal views could be kept (I'm sure that there are people that organize abiword docs like I do images that would love the abilty to not have to open AW each time they want to see a doc), but just re-skinned in such a way that it's easier for the end user to understand that the file manager is just zooming into their file read only, not actually editing it. IIRC the way that os/x does it is to give you file information in the multi-pane view, or open up the preview program each time for files that aren't registered with an app (ie: .doc) but are registered with the preview program (ie: images, etc), and also provides an "open with..." option in the menu. Regards, Alan -- Alan - http://arcterex.net -------------------------------------------------------------------- "There are only 3 real sports: bull-fighting, car racing and mountain climbing. All the others are mere games." -- Hemingway From jesimon@libertysurf.fr Fri May 30 18:40:03 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.libertysurf.net (mail.libertysurf.net [213.36.80.91]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFF3F180E3 for ; Fri, 30 May 2003 18:40:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maison.matrix.com (213.36.176.134) by mail.libertysurf.net (6.5.026) id 3ECC3D56002EFD92; Sat, 31 May 2003 00:39:56 +0200 Subject: Re: automount usb devices From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=E9r=E9my?= SIMON To: "Haywood, Greg (SAPOL)" Cc: "'nautilus-list@gnome.org'" In-Reply-To: <05B70DCC62132C4981F4DD0CCBE90CA30278C1@sagemsj0014> References: <05B70DCC62132C4981F4DD0CCBE90CA30278C1@sagemsj0014> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Message-Id: <1054334008.15508.5.camel@maison.matrix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.92 (Preview Release) Date: 31 May 2003 00:33:28 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Le mar 27/05/2003 à 02:12, Haywood, Greg (SAPOL) a écrit : > Hi all, > > I would love to see a "automount" sort of feature where devices like > memory sticks, cameras etc mount in the root of the tree view > automagically (and unmount when removed). > > It's a problem I find whenever I try to convince a MS user to move to > linux/gnome - they expect this sort of thing to just be there and work > without fuss. Hi, You need hotplug : http://linux-hotplug.sourceforge.net/. If you need some help, you can contact me directly. -- Jeremy From julo@altern.org Fri May 30 18:41:18 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mwinf0301.wanadoo.fr (smtp6.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.28]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A80BB182A1; Fri, 30 May 2003 18:41:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mix-Toulouse-209-3-146.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr (unknown [193.248.81.146]) by mwinf0301.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 885B740085D; Sat, 31 May 2003 00:41:08 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Killing Views Part 2 - The return of the Usabilty study From: Julien Olivier To: Mark Finlay Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org, usability@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1054332497.5903.12.camel@dogbert> References: <1054332497.5903.12.camel@dogbert> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Message-Id: <1054334439.14397.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (Preview Release) Date: 31 May 2003 00:40:39 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi Here's my humble proposition to solve this issue: I think Nautilus should have the possibility to show thumbnails and previews of files at the same time. For example, if you are browsing a bunch of pictures, you should have a preview of the first picture on the top of the window and a row full of thumbnails of other files. Like that: ------------ | | | | | | | | ------------ ---- ---- ---- ---- | | | | | | | | ---- ---- ---- ---- The big preview should fit the size of Nautilus' window whereas thumbnails should have a fixed size. I think this template could be used for any type of files (text, RTF files, HTML, PS/PDF, music using an embedded player instead of the preview, videos etc...). Different file types could even be mixed in the thumbnails row. This solution would have the following advantages: - I feel that it's easier to understand that the preview is read-only if it is presented this way (that's just a personal feeling though) - It's easier to navigate through files while previewing them (no need to go back after viewing each file). - It is the way WinXP does it for pictures ;) What do you think of that ? Le sam 31/05/2003 à 00:08, Mark Finlay a écrit : > We recently had a discussion about killing nautilus internal file > views. And it was one of those issues that I wished I had some > usability statistics to back it up. > > Today I've been reading the usability review that sun did of > Gnome 1.2 and came accross this page: > http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/ut1_report/file_management.html > > Users were confused by the read only view of a text file and > said things like: > "I was expecting a word processing app to open [the file]...weird." > "I was confused when the text file opened in a browser type thing." > > The sun reccomendation was to make it more clear that the file is > read only, but I would say that it makes more sense to remove the > internal viewing of files in nautilus all together, now that nautilus is > no longer used as a web browser. > > There is no real benefit to viewing a text file or image in nautilus > AFAICT, but there are definately drawbacks, and as that usability > study shows, it causes user frustration and confusion. > > I don't want to start another holy war. But I would love to get a > response from the nautilus maints for or against this. The rest of us > can argue to we go blue in the face, but if the maints aren't listening > then there is no point. > > Thanks for you time, From joshg@myrealbox.com Fri May 30 20:57:29 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost.localnet (unknown [65.206.132.47]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93C2E1810A; Fri, 30 May 2003 20:57:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localnet [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localnet (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h4V0vOT4005117; Fri, 30 May 2003 18:57:25 -0600 Subject: Re: Killing Views Part 2 - The return of the Usabilty study From: Joshua Adam Ginsberg To: Mark Finlay Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org, usability@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1054332497.5903.12.camel@dogbert> References: <1054332497.5903.12.camel@dogbert> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-Ka1rDZj7pACS1kJhn0xB" Message-Id: <1054342643.2881.82.camel@localhost.localnet> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (Preview Release) Date: 30 May 2003 18:57:24 -0600 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-Ka1rDZj7pACS1kJhn0xB Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mark - I am also in favor of your proposal because I too find the nautilus as both file manager/universal viewer concept confusing... I do however think three things need to happen first before we can really consider doing this right: 1) Nautilus needs to have the possibility of two different applications associated with each file type. The first would be a viewer and the second would be an editor. For things like web pages or images, this is key. 2) Mimetypes/filetype handlers configuration needs to be fixed and stabilized. 3) Major GNOME applications need to build into their architecture the ability to use existing instances when available. This is needed for speed's sake or at least the appearance of speed's sake. Users shouldn't have to start up a whole new instance of EOG just to view an image when EOG is already running. Likewise for things like Gimp, AbiWord, etc. I believe gEdit and Galeon (Epi too? je ne sais pas) already have this functionality. But yes, I"m definitely all for it, but I think it's not worth it until we can get the above done as well. -jag On Fri, 2003-05-30 at 16:08, Mark Finlay wrote: > We recently had a discussion about killing nautilus internal file > views. And it was one of those issues that I wished I had some > usability statistics to back it up. >=20 > Today I've been reading the usability review that sun did of > Gnome 1.2 and came accross this page: > http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/ut1_report/file_management.html >=20 > Users were confused by the read only view of a text file and=20 > said things like: > "I was expecting a word processing app to open [the file]...weird." > "I was confused when the text file opened in a browser type thing." >=20 > The sun reccomendation was to make it more clear that the file is > read only, but I would say that it makes more sense to remove the > internal viewing of files in nautilus all together, now that nautilus is > no longer used as a web browser. >=20 > There is no real benefit to viewing a text file or image in nautilus > AFAICT, but there are definately drawbacks, and as that usability > study shows, it causes user frustration and confusion. >=20 > I don't want to start another holy war. But I would love to get a > response from the nautilus maints for or against this. The rest of us > can argue to we go blue in the face, but if the maints aren't listening > then there is no point. >=20 > Thanks for you time, >=20 > --=20 > Mark Finlay --=20 --------------------------------------------------------- Joshua Adam Ginsberg Cellphone: 970.749.8530 Rice University '02 Email: joshg@myrealbox.com St. Mark's School of Texas '98 -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- "All your code are belong to us." -The SCO Group --------------------------------------------------------- --=-Ka1rDZj7pACS1kJhn0xB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQA+1/3zCwCYOVrXOfkRApPKAJ9CHEZZlvn+h8ykP1zLNCpTw4mdCwCbBnpp ISCW9b34KNuYKnFeko0NEB4= =DWH+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-Ka1rDZj7pACS1kJhn0xB-- From mpeseng@tin.it Wed May 28 06:32:32 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp3.libero.it (smtp3.libero.it [193.70.192.127]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ECEF18567 for ; Wed, 28 May 2003 06:32:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ppp-164-199.30-151.libero.it (151.30.199.164) by smtp3.libero.it (7.0.012) id 3EAD4AC500A15C14; Wed, 28 May 2003 12:32:25 +0200 Subject: Re: Sharing the spinner with icon theme From: Marco Pesenti Gritti To: Alexander Larsson Cc: Nautilus In-Reply-To: <1053333605.11180.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1053286099.900.36.camel@balurdi> <1053333605.11180.27.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1054117940.9221.2.camel@balurdi> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-5) Date: 28 May 2003 12:32:22 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > Yes, this is intended, to allow implementations that don't have to > implement old broken file formats. > > The way kde handles this is by having a large icon with all the frames > on a grid. That would work fine for us too. I posted patches to add the icon to gnome-icon-theme and to make nautilus-throbber use it on: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113859 (please note that I just sent an update of the first patch, gnome bugzilla doesnt seem to allow to obsolete patches) Marco From email_acct@earthlink.net Wed May 28 23:53:51 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC968188FC for ; Wed, 28 May 2003 23:53:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dialup-67.75.45.23.dial1.boston1.level3.net ([67.75.45.23] helo=west_f1.net) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19LEU8-0002St-00 for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Wed, 28 May 2003 20:53:49 -0700 Received: from west_f1.net (west_f1.net [127.0.0.1]) by west_f1.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h4T3q3N8010365 for ; Wed, 28 May 2003 23:52:05 -0400 Received: (from mike@localhost) by west_f1.net (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h4T3q27v010363 for nautilus-list@gnome.org; Wed, 28 May 2003 23:52:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: west_f1.net: mike set sender to email_acct@earthlink.net using -f Subject: nautilus 2.2.1 (gnome 2.2.0; rh9) theme change - how/where? From: mike Reply-To: email_acct@earthlink.net To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Message-Id: <1054180321.10049.15.camel@west_f1.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-4) Date: 28 May 2003 23:52:02 -0400 Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I've searched/posted on Usenet for two weeeks now, checked recent nautilus archives, took a stab at bugzilla and still have no idea how to fix my problem. Nautilus help says I can change its themes. Opening "File Management Preferences", help says I'll find an "appearance" panel from which I can change nautilus themes. I find no "appearance" dialog anywhere within nautilus (or anywhere else to change nautilus themes). Using nautilus-file-management-properties I find four tabs, none with any mention/indication of changing the theme: "Views", "Behavior", "Icon Captions", and "Preview". I d/l a couple late-2002 nautilus themes (not just icons) from art.gnome (no one replied to my mail asking the same thing I'm asking here) and no matter where I put them (~/.themes, ~/.icons, /usr/share/themes, /usr/share/nautilus, /usr/share/pixmaps/nautilus with the Bluecurve dir) tar'd or not, I find no way to inform nautilus to use something other than Bluecurve. gnome-theme-manager doesn't list them (in the first panel or anywhere under "Details..."). Before I start flailing about by trying newer revs of nautilus can someone tell me how to (or if) I can change themes for nautilus 2.2.1/gnome 2.2.0/rh9? Thanks... Mike -- email_acct@earthlink.net From garnacho@tuxerver.net Thu May 29 06:21:55 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from tuxerver (217-126-128-182.uc.nombres.ttd.es [217.126.128.182]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1780E18705; Thu, 29 May 2003 06:21:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=www.tuxerver.net) by tuxerver with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 19LKwS-0003xV-00; Thu, 29 May 2003 12:47:28 +0200 Received: from 195.235.92.108 (proxying for 10.95.12.222) (SquirrelMail authenticated user garnacho) by www.tuxerver.net with HTTP; Thu, 29 May 2003 12:47:28 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <13670.195.235.92.108.1054205248.squirrel@www.tuxerver.net> In-Reply-To: <258B0164D480D5118D900800062B3858FFB66B@vihsx09a.vih.infineon.com> References: <258B0164D480D5118D900800062B3858FFB66B@vihsx09a.vih.infineon.com> Date: Thu, 29 May 2003 12:47:28 +0200 (CEST) Subject: RE: PPP dialer (Re: Bug with volume handling in 2.3.2) From: "Carlos Garnacho Parro" To: Murray.Cumming@Comneon.com Cc: rosselli@ling.unipi.it, usability@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org, nautilus-list@gnome.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: >> From: Roberto Rosselli Del Turco [mailto:rosselli@ling.unipi.it] >> Petri Kanerva wrote: >> > On Fri, 2003-05-23 at 15:40, Alexander Larsson wrote: >> > >> >>This should be fixes in CVS now. Could you test it? >> > >> > Sorry, but no. My home machine is behind a modem, so the >> download would >> > abe a pain. And the machine I use to get the released packages is a >> > win-machine, and I'v had bad experiences with win cvs. So if someone >> > would make a package of the cvs and put it somewhere for me >> to dl, or >> > tell me about a working win cvs software. >> >> BTW, is there some plan to add a decent PPP dialer to the >> GNOME Desktop >> applets/utilities? > > I believe there's one in gnome-system-tools. The decision has not yet been > made for that new module. Try it out. Tell us what you think. in the gnome-system-tools there is a network-admin tool, that configures PPP too, but I understand that this is not designed as a PPP dialer, I'm planning to write one based on gst, as you may run a standalone ppp druid when doing: ./network-admin --ppp-connection > > Murray Cumming > murrayc@usa.net > www.murrayc.com > _______________________________________________ > desktop-devel-list mailing list > desktop-devel-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list > From elanthis@awesomeplay.com Fri May 30 18:28:02 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp-out.comcast.net (smtp-out.comcast.net [24.153.64.113]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F23BB18878; Fri, 30 May 2003 18:28:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moonweaver.home.awesomeplay.com (bgp01132961bgs.ypeast01.mi.comcast.net [68.42.119.201]) by mtaout03.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 1.16 (built May 14 2003)) with ESMTP id <0HFQ00CLY113NA@mtaout03.icomcast.net>; Fri, 30 May 2003 18:27:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stargrazer.home.awesomeplay.com ([192.168.1.5]) by moonweaver.home.awesomeplay.com with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 19LsL1-0000MW-00; Fri, 30 May 2003 18:27:03 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 18:27:03 -0400 From: Sean Middleditch Subject: Re: [Usability] Killing Views Part 2 - The return of the Usabilty study In-reply-to: <1054332497.5903.12.camel@dogbert> To: Mark Finlay Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org, usability@gnome.org Message-id: <1054333623.4859.2.camel@stargrazer.home.awesomeplay.com> Organization: AwesomePlay Productions, Inc. MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <1054332497.5903.12.camel@dogbert> Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, 2003-05-30 at 18:08, Mark Finlay wrote: > There is no real benefit to viewing a text file or image in nautilus > AFAICT, but there are definately drawbacks, and as that usability > study shows, it causes user frustration and confusion. When reading thru a bunch of files or snapshots, it can be rather useful to not have to micro-manage windows. One thing I've thought might help out is, if you're in the read-only view of an image/text-file, put a big clear "Edit With..." button on the toolbar. Thus, I could open an image in Nautilus, and if I decide that's the image I wanted, click Edit With..., select GIMP, and then let the rather long startup for GIMP proceed. Perhaps the best thing is to simply have the file types capplet let the user select whether they prefer an inline viewer or separate viewer. I'd only prefer certain file types to be viewed inline, and then only beacause it's way too much trouble to use separate windows, or too slow to open a separate app for each item; the Nautilus view might be less user friendly, but it solves the problem. > > I don't want to start another holy war. But I would love to get a > response from the nautilus maints for or against this. The rest of us > can argue to we go blue in the face, but if the maints aren't listening > then there is no point. > > Thanks for you time, -- Sean Middleditch AwesomePlay Productions, Inc. From julo@altern.org Sat May 31 02:01:04 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mwinf0302.wanadoo.fr (smtp6.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.28]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE1F118766; Sat, 31 May 2003 02:01:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mix-Toulouse-206-4-85.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr (unknown [193.248.216.85]) by mwinf0302.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 01046C00027F; Sat, 31 May 2003 08:01:00 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: Killing Views Part 2 - The return of the Usabilty study From: Julien Olivier To: Joshua Adam Ginsberg Cc: Mark Finlay , nautilus-list@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org, usability@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1054342643.2881.82.camel@localhost.localnet> References: <1054332497.5903.12.camel@dogbert> <1054342643.2881.82.camel@localhost.localnet> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1054360833.14397.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3 (Preview Release) Date: 31 May 2003 08:00:33 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > 3) Major GNOME applications need to build into their architecture the > ability to use existing instances when available. This is needed for > speed's sake or at least the appearance of speed's sake. Users shouldn't > have to start up a whole new instance of EOG just to view an image when > EOG is already running. Likewise for things like Gimp, AbiWord, etc. I > believe gEdit and Galeon (Epi too? je ne sais pas) already have this > functionality. Gimp already has this feature using gimp-remote. But, for any reason, Redhat doesn't want to ship it with their distro... From hp@redhat.com Sat May 31 03:21:02 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80D1318129; Sat, 31 May 2003 03:21:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from hp@localhost) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.0) id h4V7KwY07683; Sat, 31 May 2003 03:20:58 -0400 Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 03:20:58 -0400 From: Havoc Pennington To: Julien Olivier Cc: Joshua Adam Ginsberg , Mark Finlay , nautilus-list@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org, usability@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Usability] Re: Killing Views Part 2 - The return of the Usabilty study Message-ID: <20030531032058.F28993@devserv.devel.redhat.com> References: <1054332497.5903.12.camel@dogbert> <1054342643.2881.82.camel@localhost.localnet> <1054360833.14397.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <1054360833.14397.18.camel@localhost.localdomain> Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sat, May 31, 2003 at 08:00:33AM +0200, Julien Olivier wrote: > > 3) Major GNOME applications need to build into their architecture the > > ability to use existing instances when available. This is needed for > > speed's sake or at least the appearance of speed's sake. Users shouldn't > > have to start up a whole new instance of EOG just to view an image when > > EOG is already running. Likewise for things like Gimp, AbiWord, etc. I > > believe gEdit and Galeon (Epi too? je ne sais pas) already have this > > functionality. > > Gimp already has this feature using gimp-remote. But, for any reason, > Redhat doesn't want to ship it with their distro... > A bug I think, see: http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=35493 Though the spec file explicitly does "rm -f gimp-remote" so maybe someone left it out on purpose for some reason. Alternatively that could have just been someone adding the rm -f to fix rpmlint warnings. This really shouldn't involve separate binaries though, it should work like gnome-terminal btw, I think we shouldn't crosspost more than 2 lists as a rule... Havoc From sisob@eircom.net Sat May 31 04:09:03 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mail2.mail.iol.ie (mail2.mail.iol.ie [194.125.2.193]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2186418287; Sat, 31 May 2003 04:09:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [194.165.171.34] (helo=r-airlock034.esatclear.ie) by mail2.mail.iol.ie with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19M1QE-0004H2-00; Sat, 31 May 2003 09:09:02 +0100 Subject: Re: [Usability] Re: Killing Views Part 2 - The return of the Usabilty study From: Mark Finlay To: Julien Olivier Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org, usability@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1054334439.14397.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1054332497.5903.12.camel@dogbert> <1054334439.14397.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1054368581.2478.2.camel@dogbert> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 31 May 2003 09:09:41 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, 2003-05-30 at 23:40, Julien Olivier wrote: > Hi > > Here's my humble proposition to solve this issue: > > I think Nautilus should have the possibility to show thumbnails and > previews of files at the same time. [snip] > What do you think of that ? I agree - and it's been done on gthumb head. There is a directory view that behaves the way you've described. Which means that we could still get rid of file views and have this capability. -- Mark Finlay From sisob@eircom.net Sat May 31 04:22:48 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mail1.mail.iol.ie (mail1.mail.iol.ie [194.125.2.192]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDB0218287; Sat, 31 May 2003 04:22:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [194.165.171.34] (helo=r-airlock034.esatclear.ie) by mail1.mail.iol.ie with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19M0hL-0000nN-00; Sat, 31 May 2003 08:22:40 +0100 Subject: Re: [Usability] Re: Killing Views Part 2 - The return of the Usabilty study From: Mark Finlay To: Joshua Adam Ginsberg Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org, usability@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1054342643.2881.82.camel@localhost.localnet> References: <1054332497.5903.12.camel@dogbert> <1054342643.2881.82.camel@localhost.localnet> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1054369360.2728.1.camel@dogbert> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 31 May 2003 09:23:27 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > 1) Nautilus needs to have the possibility of two different applications > associated with each file type. The first would be a viewer and the > second would be an editor. For things like web pages or images, this is > key. MMM, doesn't nautilus already have the possibility of having multiple apps associated with a file type? That one feature it has that I've never seen anywhere else. I think it may have been me who suggested replacing open with with "View with" and "Edit with" but that's not absolutely critial because you can currently have "Open with -> Web editor" and "Open with -> Web Browser" > 2) Mimetypes/filetype handlers configuration needs to be fixed and > stabilized. I'm not sure whether it would be best of this to happen before or after file viewer would be removed(if at all). There are a lot ot references to viewers in the current gnome and nautilus mine dialogs. When fixing this whole system one would need to be very clear about whether there will be file viewers or not. > 3) Major GNOME applications need to build into their architecture the > ability to use existing instances when available. This is needed for > speed's sake or at least the appearance of speed's sake. Users shouldn't > have to start up a whole new instance of EOG just to view an image when > EOG is already running. Likewise for things like Gimp, AbiWord, etc. I > believe gEdit and Galeon (Epi too? je ne sais pas) already have this > functionality. So does GIMP 1.3 and openoffice. Abiword has no mdi so it makes no difference really as it starts really fast regardless. I agree for EOG though. It is way too slow for a viewer app. Pitty that universal viewer never came to anything.. Guess we should just file bugs against apps don't use existing instances. -- Mark Finlay From shaunm@wolfram.com Sat May 31 04:54:30 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mailhost.bcv1.ameritech.net (mailhost1-bcvloh.bcvloh.ameritech.net [66.73.20.42]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A78018358 for ; Sat, 31 May 2003 04:54:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cornholio.housenet.net ([68.22.249.122]) by mailhost.bcv1.ameritech.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.17 201-229-119) with ESMTP id <20030531085429.YRPC10287.mailhost.bcv1.ameritech.net@cornholio.housenet.net>; Sat, 31 May 2003 04:54:29 -0400 Subject: Re: nautilus 2.2.1 (gnome 2.2.0; rh9) theme change - how/where? From: Shaun McCance To: email_acct@earthlink.net Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1054180321.10049.15.camel@west_f1.net> References: <1054180321.10049.15.camel@west_f1.net> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Wolfram Research, Inc. Message-Id: <1054370882.23001.1.camel@cornholio> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.92 (Preview Release) Date: 31 May 2003 03:48:02 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, 2003-05-28 at 22:52, mike wrote: > I've searched/posted on Usenet for two weeeks now, checked recent > nautilus archives, took a stab at bugzilla and still have no idea how to > fix my problem. > > Nautilus help says I can change its themes. Opening "File Management > Preferences", help says I'll find an "appearance" panel from which I can > change nautilus themes. I find no "appearance" dialog anywhere within > nautilus (or anywhere else to change nautilus themes). Using > nautilus-file-management-properties I find four tabs, none with any > mention/indication of changing the theme: "Views", "Behavior", "Icon > Captions", and "Preview". > > I d/l a couple late-2002 nautilus themes (not just icons) from art.gnome > (no one replied to my mail asking the same thing I'm asking here) and no > matter where I put them (~/.themes, ~/.icons, /usr/share/themes, > /usr/share/nautilus, /usr/share/pixmaps/nautilus with the Bluecurve dir) > tar'd or not, I find no way to inform nautilus to use something other > than Bluecurve. gnome-theme-manager doesn't list them (in the first > panel or anywhere under "Details..."). > > Before I start flailing about by trying newer revs of nautilus can > someone tell me how to (or if) I can change themes for nautilus > 2.2.1/gnome 2.2.0/rh9? I'm afraid you're reading some out-dated Nautilus documentation. As of Gnome 2, Nautilus no longer has its own themes. It now uses icon themes, which can be used by other programs as well (and, IIRC, are also used by KDE). Icon themes are under "Icon" on art.gnome.org. They should be installed in /usr/share/icons (well, {$prefix}/share/icons), or under your home directory in ~/.icons. To select a Nautilus theme, use the Gnome Theme Preferences. You'll need to click 'Details' and go to the 'Icons' tab to select just an icon theme. -- Shaun From sisob@eircom.net Sat May 31 05:08:03 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mail1.mail.iol.ie (mail1.mail.iol.ie [194.125.2.192]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A696A18BB9; Sat, 31 May 2003 05:08:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [194.165.171.34] (helo=r-airlock034.esatclear.ie) by mail1.mail.iol.ie with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 19M1PA-00044K-00; Sat, 31 May 2003 09:07:57 +0100 Subject: Re: Killing Views Part 2 - The return of the Usabilty study From: Mark Finlay To: Alan Cc: nautilus-list@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20030530222356.GI12786@ufies.org> References: <1054332497.5903.12.camel@dogbert> <20030530222356.GI12786@ufies.org> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1054371263.2728.7.camel@dogbert> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.3.3.99 (Preview Release) Date: 31 May 2003 10:08:42 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > Image viewing. While I do 99% of my file maintenance on the command > line, any sort of organization of images is made 1000x easier with the > thumbnail view, and by extension, the ability to view the "full" image > within nautilus (lets call it "zoom" for now). If I just want a bit > closer look at my random_wallpaper.png I don't want to have to deal with > popping up the gimp or eog each time, I just want it in the same window. Have you tried the gthumb catalog _directory_ view. http://xsu.sf.net/gthumb-view.png - You can browse your pics, and use the nautilus zoom widget to zoom in and out. I think that this is a much better solution. Using custom directory views instead of hacking odd zoom features into nautilus. > The other thing is for viewing of text files. Nautilus already provides > the ability to see a bit of the text file, so I'd expect it to be able > to view it all (maybe, "zoom" it). Text files are again, fast and quick > to view, and don't require special programs to process them, unlike > abiword/.doc, etc. Yeah, but gedit is a much more ideal way to view text files, and it has an mdi and uses the same instance. Opening files in a new window drastically reduces user confusion don't forget. -- Mark Finlay From jens@triq.net Sat May 31 07:46:08 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mail1.ewetel.de (mail1.ewetel.de [212.6.122.14]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89C581816C; Sat, 31 May 2003 07:46:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from galway.darkride.net (dynadsl-080-228-75-012.ewetel.net [80.228.75.12]) by mail1.ewetel.de (8.12.1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4VBk5fZ027052; Sat, 31 May 2003 13:46:05 +0200 (MEST) Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 12:16:22 +0200 (CEST) From: Jens Finke X-X-Sender: jens@galway.darkride.net To: Julien Olivier Cc: Mark Finlay , "" , "" , "" Subject: Re: Killing Views Part 2 - The return of the Usabilty study In-Reply-To: <1054334439.14397.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: References: <1054332497.5903.12.camel@dogbert> <1054334439.14397.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-CheckCompat: OK Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, On Sat, 31 May 2003, Julien Olivier wrote: > I think Nautilus should have the possibility to show thumbnails and > previews of files at the same time. > > For example, if you are browsing a bunch of pictures, you should have a > preview of the first picture on the top of the window and a row full of > thumbnails of other files. Like that: > > ------------ > | | > | | > | | > | | > ------------ > > ---- ---- ---- ---- > | | | | | | | | > ---- ---- ---- ---- > > The big preview should fit the size of Nautilus' window whereas > thumbnails should have a fixed size. Eye of Gnome >= 2.3.0 does exactly this. Choose the Image Collection View in Nautilus if you have eog installed. Enjoy. Best wishes, Jens From jens@triq.net Sat May 31 08:13:21 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mail3.ewetel.de (unknown [212.6.122.211]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4794E185A1; Sat, 31 May 2003 08:13:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from galway.darkride.net (dynadsl-080-228-75-012.ewetel.net [80.228.75.12]) by mail3.ewetel.de (8.12.1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4VCDJYI004641; Sat, 31 May 2003 14:13:19 +0200 (MEST) Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 12:43:36 +0200 (CEST) From: Jens Finke X-X-Sender: jens@galway.darkride.net To: Joshua Adam Ginsberg Cc: Mark Finlay , "" , "" , "" Subject: Re: Killing Views Part 2 - The return of the Usabilty study In-Reply-To: <1054342643.2881.82.camel@localhost.localnet> Message-ID: References: <1054332497.5903.12.camel@dogbert> <1054342643.2881.82.camel@localhost.localnet> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-CheckCompat: OK Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, On Sat, 30 May 2003, Joshua Adam Ginsberg wrote: > 3) Major GNOME applications need to build into their architecture the > ability to use existing instances when available. This is needed for > speed's sake or at least the appearance of speed's sake. Users shouldn't > have to start up a whole new instance of EOG just to view an image when > EOG is already running. welcome to the world of bonobo. eog-image-viewer is a bonobo server, which is re-used for every image you open. Only opening the first image when there is no other instance already needs some more time, because the server must be started by bonobo-activation. Problem: If you view images one after another, the server is shut down/started every time :-/. Indeed, this needs fixing on some level (bonobo/b-a-s/nautilus). Regards, Jens From julo@altern.org Sat May 31 09:06:29 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from mwinf0604.wanadoo.fr (smtp3.wanadoo.fr [193.252.22.25]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9D7F18341; Sat, 31 May 2003 09:06:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mix-Toulouse-209-4-206.w193-250.abo.wanadoo.fr (unknown [193.250.118.206]) by mwinf0604.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id B966428000BC; Sat, 31 May 2003 15:06:26 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: [Usability] Re: Killing Views Part 2 - The return of the Usabilty study From: Julien Olivier To: Jens Finke Cc: Mark Finlay , nautilus-list@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org, usability@gnome.org In-Reply-To: References: <1054332497.5903.12.camel@dogbert> <1054334439.14397.12.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1054386357.563.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-4) Date: 31 May 2003 15:05:57 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > Eye of Gnome >= 2.3.0 does exactly this. Choose the Image Collection View > in Nautilus if you have eog installed. Enjoy. > Great ! I'd like this view to be able to preview any type of documents though (not just pictures). That said, if previews are very important for pictures, I'm not sure they are that important for other media types... > Best wishes, > > Jens > _______________________________________________ > Usability mailing list > Usability@gnome.org > http://lists.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/usability From Murray.Cumming@Comneon.com Sat May 31 09:36:03 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: nautilus-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp1.infineon.com (smtp1.infineon.com [194.175.117.76]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68B2918279; Sat, 31 May 2003 09:35:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vihsx03a.vih.infineon.com (vih.ifx-mail3.com [172.31.163.97]) by smtp1.infineon.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h4VDZXxZ011699; Sat, 31 May 2003 15:35:34 +0200 (MEST) Received: by vihsx03a.vih.infineon.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sat, 31 May 2003 15:36:24 +0200 Message-ID: <258B0164D480D5118D900800062B3858FFB6E6@vihsx09a.vih.infineon.com> From: Murray.Cumming@Comneon.com To: sisob@eircom.net, nautilus-list@gnome.org Cc: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org, usability@gnome.org Subject: RE: Killing Views Part 2 - The return of the Usabilty study Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 15:35:49 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: nautilus-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Loop: nautilus-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: For developers and users of the Nautilus file manager List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: There seems to be some suppport for this. Jeff Waugh's separate preview application idea seems to take care of the just-show-something-quick use case. Murray Cumming murrayc@usa.net www.murrayc.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Finlay [mailto:sisob@eircom.net] > Sent: Samstag, 31. Mai 2003 00:08 > To: nautilus-list@gnome.org > Cc: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org; usability@gnome.org > Subject: Killing Views Part 2 - The return of the Usabilty study > > > We recently had a discussion about killing nautilus internal file > views. And it was one of those issues that I wished I had some > usability statistics to back it up. > > Today I've been reading the usability review that sun did of > Gnome 1.2 and came accross this page: > http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/ut1_report/file_manage ment.html Users were confused by the read only view of a text file and said things like: "I was expecting a word processing app to open [the file]...weird." "I was confused when the text file opened in a browser type thing." The sun reccomendation was to make it more clear that the file is read only, but I would say that it makes more sense to remove the internal viewing of files in nautilus all together, now that nautilus is no longer used as a web browser. There is no real benefit to viewing a text file or image in nautilus AFAICT, but there are definately drawbacks, and as that usability study shows, it causes user frustration and confusion. I don't want to start another holy war. But I would love to get a response from the nautilus maints for or against this. The rest of us can argue to we go blue in the face, but if the maints aren't listening then there is no point. Thanks for you time, -- Mark Finlay _______________________________________________ desktop-devel-list mailing list desktop-devel-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list