I have the same question about this project as yours, I joined this ma= illist and don't know how to move ahead now. Let me introduce myself also.<= /DIV>

I am Allen from Motorola, working on LinuxJava Platform project. = Several monthes ago,I was very curious about what would it b= e if we transplant gnome to mobile phones. Then I did some trying= but eventually I gave up. It is really a big work for myself to do this. <= /DIV>

I am very excited with the news that gnome will develop gnome mobile p= latform, I joined this mailist immediately. I have mobile device devel= oping experience, hopefully I can bring in my effort to this project.<= /DIV>

But I don't know where to go now, can anyone help give us&nb= sp;some brief description about the progress/achievements and&nbs= p;the plan ? Is there anything we can help ? Thanks very much.

Regards,

Allen

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From: Philip Van Hoof To: allen_mail In-Reply-To: <10267577.1483561179852225413.JavaMail.coremail@bj163app36.163.com> References: <10267577.1483561179852225413.JavaMail.coremail@bj163app36.163.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 19:41:53 +0200 Message-Id: <1179855713.7013.55.camel@schtrumpf> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Mobile Platform development and discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 17:42:00 -0000 Hey Allen, As a currently available solution to putting a GNOME environment on a mobile device you could already take a look at GPE or Maemo. Both provide you with sufficient tools to customise them in such a way that they can easily be deployed on a wide range of mobile devices (once you have a kernel and for example KDrive running on it). Although the Maemo distribution, right now, has a strong emphasis on the Nokia products (the 770 and the N800), it consists of a lot of the exact same components as for example ... GPE. The GMAE initiative, though, is getting different teams and people together to create the necessary synergy to get all the different components working cooperatively together. This is happening right now, indeed. On one mobile device (instance) having competing components is usually very uninteresting (on performance, on memory utilisation and on the final UI experience. All of those depending on the component, of course) ps. Although competition is very interesting and very needed in our communities to achieve getting better than what other solutions offer, I believe the answer for competitors is to nevertheless cooperate on standardisation (for example via. freedesktop.org) and compete with each other on implementation (if there is actual competition). GMAE will indeed help you with knowing which components are recommended and are compatible with which other component. Eventually it might also cause some sort of standard set of components and mark specific component's versions that identifies a distribution like GPE, Maemo, Hiker, OLPC's Sugar, etc as "a typical GMAE one". On Wed, 2007-05-23 at 00:43 +0800, allen_mail wrote: > Hi, Adilson / Naveen, > > I have the same question about this project as yours, I joined this > maillist and don't know how to move ahead now. Let me introduce myself > also. > > I am Allen from Motorola, working on LinuxJava Platform project. > Several monthes ago,I was very curious about what would it be if we > transplant gnome to mobile phones. Then I did some trying but > eventually I gave up. It is really a big work for myself to do this. > > I am very excited with the news that gnome will develop gnome mobile > platform, I joined this mailist immediately. I have mobile device > developing experience, hopefully I can bring in my effort to this > project. > > But I don't know where to go now, can anyone help give us some brief > description about the progress/achievements and the plan ? Is there > anything we can help ? Thanks very much. > > Regards, > Allen > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > 150万人同时在玩的网游，你不试试吗？ > _______________________________________________ > mobile-devel-list mailing list > mobile-devel-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-devel-list -- Philip Van Hoof, software developer home: me at pvanhoof dot be gnome: pvanhoof at gnome dot org http://www.pvanhoof.be/blog From daniel.amelang@gmail.com Tue May 22 17:04:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 195283B0141 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 17:04:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.446 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.446 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077, TW_RK=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (Google crawlbot) (firewall!) (up: 18 hrs), (distance 11, link: (Google 2)), [66.249.82.232] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P7Rg4V6toiP6 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 17:04:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.232]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76E0C3B011C for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 17:04:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t12so255390wxc for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 14:04:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.67.4 with SMTP id p4mr9645212wxa.1179867879311; Tue, 22 May 2007 14:04:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.105.3 with HTTP; Tue, 22 May 2007 14:04:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 14:04:39 -0700 From: "Daniel Amelang" To: koen@dominion.kabel.utwente.nl Subject: Re: Question about the performance of gtk+ in neo1973 mobile phone In-Reply-To: <465294EB.6060909@dominion.kabel.utwente.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <49eab5c80705212027q722d9956qfbdebdff55941f5b@mail.gmail.com> <465294EB.6060909@dominion.kabel.utwente.nl> Cc: performance-list@gnome.org, mobile-devel-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Mobile Platform development and discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 21:04:43 -0000 On 5/21/07, Koen Kooi wrote: > falls huang schreef: > > Hello All ! > > > > I received a neo1973 mobile phone last week, its Operation System is > > linux/openmoko , CPU: s3c2410 , arm920t, 266M HZ. But I found when I > > start an application, the speed is very slow than windows > > mobile/symbian. Has anyone tuned the performance of GTK+ in neo1973? > > > > btw: openmoko is a free mobile phone operating system based on > > gtk+/linux ---> www.openmoko.org > > You can make it faster (but still slow) by using gtk 2.10.12 + a cairo with surface cache > and workqueue support (1.4.7). To make it useable you'll have to disable the pixmap-heavy > theme it uses. I think you mean "pixbuf-heavy" theme, right (not pixmap)? If slow pixbuf rendering were a problem, you may be interested in a patch I submitted recently to xorg that speeded up pixbuf rendering on R5G6B5 framebuffers by 3.4x : http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2007-April/024286.html That speedup was measured on a N800, but the neo1973 should see similar improvement. Dan Amelang From Carlos.Guerreiro@nokia.com Tue May 22 18:01:47 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7BD43B012B for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 18:01:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.107 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.107 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.415, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_SV=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) (up: 7403 hrs), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [131.228.20.170] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UZ0hnuLqweH6 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 18:01:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mgw-ext11.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [131.228.20.170]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6778F3B0161 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 18:01:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from esebh106.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh106.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.213]) by mgw-ext11.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.5/Switch-3.2.5) with ESMTP id l4MM1ACO015979 for ; Wed, 23 May 2007 01:01:13 +0300 Received: from esebh104.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.143.34]) by esebh106.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 23 May 2007 01:01:10 +0300 Received: from esebe101.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.215]) by esebh104.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 23 May 2007 01:01:10 +0300 Received: from [10.162.252.148] ([10.162.252.148]) by esebe101.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 23 May 2007 01:01:10 +0300 Message-ID: <46536826.6020504@nokia.com> Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 01:01:10 +0300 From: Carlos Guerreiro User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (X11/20070306) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Subject: hildon@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 May 2007 22:01:10.0566 (UTC) FILETIME=[B4DF3460:01C79CBC] X-Nokia-AV: Clean X-BeenThere: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Mobile Platform development and discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 22:01:48 -0000 Hi, Ever since the first release of Maemo for the Nokia 770, Hildon has been an open piece of code released under the LGPL. The intention has been from the outset to allow developers outside of Nokia to peek into the internals of Hildon and help themselves. That initial release of Hildon was a one-off drop of code dependent on a heavily modified gtk+ and on other specifics of Maemo. Since then, a lot of effort has been put on improving Hildon's alignment with gtk+ and GNOME by aggressively reducing our patch against gtk+ and Hildon's dependencies on Maemo specifics. At the same time, the code was moved out to a public svn repository where it is developed in the open [1], the public maemo bugzilla has been increasingly used and development discussions have been slowing moving to the open. There's still a long way to go to make Hildon's development truly open, transparent and independent from Maemo and Nokia's Internet Tablet. It's about more than just the code - planning, releasing, decision making need to be further opened up as well. There's a clear understanding at Nokia that this is the way to go. The trend has been clear but Intel's and Ubuntu's interest on the project add a sense of urgency. At this point maemo's infrastructure is becoming inappropriate to host the development of a project that needs to be spun off from the specifics of the maemo environment and made accessible to developers interested in deploying Hildon in other environments such as Mobile Ubuntu. Setting up independent Hildon infrastructure (mailing list, wiki, svn, bugzilla,...) is clearly an option but there's a bolder possibility to consider: relocating the Hildon project to GNOME infrastructure moving Hildon closer to the project and community it is based on. I believe GNOME is where Hildon ultimately belongs as a GNOME Mobile framework optimized for the Tablet / MID form factors. Hildon could not (yet?) be part of the GNOME release but I believe it would fit well as a user of the GNOME infrastructure and could well move closer. As an example, releasing Hildon on a public schedule aligned with GNOME's is a very attractive proposition right now. Getting there would require solving a lot of practical problems mainly but not only at Nokia and would not happen overnight but could be worth the effort. So hildon@gnome.org is a possibility that we are very seriously considering now at Nokia. With that in mind, I'd like to hear from the GNOME community, particularly the GNOME Mobile people, about how realistic and desirable you find this possibility. Cheers, Carlos [1] https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/ From behdad.esfahbod@gmail.com Tue May 22 18:13:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1C593B007B for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 18:13:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.538 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.538 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.062, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 6769 hrs), (distance 12, link: (Google 2)), [209.85.132.242] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gwGBUJZdbSMU for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 18:13:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.242]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C69AD3B0008 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 18:13:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b6so511060ana for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 15:13:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.165.9 with SMTP id n9mr4275226ane.1179871999082; Tue, 22 May 2007 15:13:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?172.16.14.116? ( [63.250.163.171]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id c4sm10359anc.2007.05.22.15.13.18; Tue, 22 May 2007 15:13:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: hildon@gnome.org From: Behdad Esfahbod To: Carlos Guerreiro In-Reply-To: <46536826.6020504@nokia.com> References: <46536826.6020504@nokia.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 18:13:33 -0400 Message-Id: <1179872013.26524.9.camel@behdad> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.3 (2.8.3-2.fc6) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: Behdad Esfahbod Cc: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Mobile Platform development and discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 22:13:23 -0000 On Wed, 2007-05-23 at 01:01 +0300, Carlos Guerreiro wrote: > > Since then, a lot of effort has been put on improving Hildon's > alignment with gtk+ and GNOME by aggressively reducing our > patch against gtk+ and Hildon's dependencies on Maemo specifics. This is all very interesting. In the long run, what features do you see that have to live in Hildon and cannot be moved to current GNOME platform libraries? Given that there are bugs/proposals to add GtkApplication classes and similar efforts, what is it in Hildon that doesn't have a future in Gtk+? Thanks, -- behdad http://behdad.org/ "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 From behdad.esfahbod@gmail.com Tue May 22 22:24:19 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 680823B0013 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 22:24:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.496 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.496 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.027, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 6812 hrs), (distance 12, link: (Google 2)), [209.85.132.250] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0u0AQWZtSFoW for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 22:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.250]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E05B23B000A for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 22:24:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c34so6740anc for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 19:24:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.152.9 with SMTP id z9mr69484and.1179887055260; Tue, 22 May 2007 19:24:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?172.16.14.116? ( [63.250.163.171]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id c2sm330482ana.2007.05.22.19.24.14; Tue, 22 May 2007 19:24:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Question about the performance of gtk+ in neo1973 mobile phone From: Behdad Esfahbod To: falls huang In-Reply-To: <49eab5c80705212027q722d9956qfbdebdff55941f5b@mail.gmail.com> References: <49eab5c80705212027q722d9956qfbdebdff55941f5b@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 22:24:29 -0400 Message-Id: <1179887069.1436.13.camel@behdad> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.3 (2.8.3-2.fc6) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: Behdad Esfahbod Cc: performance-list@gnome.org, mobile-devel-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Mobile Platform development and discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 02:24:19 -0000 On Tue, 2007-05-22 at 11:27 +0800, falls huang wrote: > Hello All ! > > I received a neo1973 mobile phone last week, its Operation System > is linux/openmoko , CPU: s3c2410 , arm920t, 266M HZ. But I found when > I start an application, the speed is very slow than windows > mobile/symbian. Has anyone tuned the performance of GTK+ in neo1973? None that I've heard of. Some techniques like what maemo and olpc are doing to avoid Gtk+ startup overhead may prove useful. behdad who is still waiting to be offered a neo1973 to experiement with text rendering on it > btw: openmoko is a free mobile phone operating system based on gtk > +/linux ---> www.openmoko.org > > -- > Regards > Falls Huang -- behdad http://behdad.org/ "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 From 2pavan@gmail.com Wed May 23 00:14:52 2007 Return-Path: <2pavan@gmail.com> X-Original-To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BE283B0017 for ; Wed, 23 May 2007 00:14:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: 1.166 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.166 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, HTML_10_20=1.351, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 3138 hrs), (distance 11, link: (Google 2)), [209.85.146.177] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0NBWA4L8WCH1 for ; Wed, 23 May 2007 00:14:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.177]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 793753B0009 for ; Wed, 23 May 2007 00:14:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j4so17069wah for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 21:14:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.76.1 with SMTP id d1mr91794wal.1179893689737; Tue, 22 May 2007 21:14:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.47.16 with HTTP; Tue, 22 May 2007 21:14:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <81b55c910705222114w396ee78ds98c8351b76154f6a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 09:44:49 +0530 From: "Pavan Krishnamurthy" <2pavan@gmail.com> To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Subject: Introduction MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_148852_33000816.1179893689671" X-BeenThere: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Mobile Platform development and discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 04:14:52 -0000 ------=_Part_148852_33000816.1179893689671 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi, I am Pavan, working in Nokia, working mainly on open source mobile softwares. I have been working on multimedia frameworks like gstreamer, SDL, Xlib, audio libraries, maemo platform. I am not sure what kind of activities are undertaken in this forum. So please keep the information posted to the group. Regards, Pavan ------=_Part_148852_33000816.1179893689671 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

Hi,

I am Pavan, working in Nokia, working mainly on open source mobile softwares.

I have been working on multimedia frameworks like gstreamer, SDL, Xlib, audio libraries, maemo platform. I am not sure what kind of activities are undertaken in this forum. So please keep the information posted to the group.

Regards,

Pavan

------=_Part_148852_33000816.1179893689671-- From quim.gil@nokia.com Wed May 23 01:06:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A29B03B0017; Wed, 23 May 2007 01:06:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) (up: 7474 hrs), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [131.228.20.170] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T4F-vXBxXg2E; Wed, 23 May 2007 01:06:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mgw-ext11.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [131.228.20.170]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 971303B0009; Wed, 23 May 2007 01:06:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from esebh106.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh106.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.213]) by mgw-ext11.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.5/Switch-3.2.5) with ESMTP id l4N567Ed004605; Wed, 23 May 2007 08:06:15 +0300 Received: from esebh103.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.143.33]) by esebh106.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 23 May 2007 08:06:01 +0300 Received: from esebh101.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.177]) by esebh103.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 23 May 2007 08:06:01 +0300 Received: from mgw-int01.ntc.nokia.com ([172.21.143.96]) by esebh101.NOE.Nokia.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 23 May 2007 08:06:01 +0300 Received: from [172.21.35.60] (esdhcp03560.research.nokia.com [172.21.35.60]) by mgw-int01.ntc.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.5/Switch-3.2.5) with ESMTP id l4N560qX022511; Wed, 23 May 2007 08:06:00 +0300 Subject: Re: Where to go ? From: Quim Gil To: ext Philip Van Hoof In-Reply-To: <1179855713.7013.55.camel@schtrumpf> References: <10267577.1483561179852225413.JavaMail.coremail@bj163app36.163.com> <1179855713.7013.55.camel@schtrumpf> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 08:09:27 +0300 Message-Id: <1179896967.4874.33.camel@caixanegra> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 May 2007 05:06:01.0803 (UTC) FILETIME=[0ED549B0:01C79CF8] X-Nokia-AV: Clean Cc: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org, allen_mail X-BeenThere: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Mobile Platform development and discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 05:06:29 -0000 On Tue, 2007-05-22 at 19:41 +0200, ext Philip Van Hoof wrote: > Although the Maemo distribution, right now, has a strong emphasis on the > Nokia products (the 770 and the N800), it consists of a lot of the exact > same components as for example ... GPE. For obvious reasons we will keep having "strong emphasis" in Nokia products, but we are working on the maemo architecture and related stuff to make maemo more and more hardware independent, easing the hardware adaptation to the hardware owners. Please measure my words. This is not a top priority for us, there are still many things that require more attention in maemo-for-Nokia itself. Hardware abstraction is useful even for ourselves alone, and moves like Intel being interested in the Hildon Application Framework just helps pushing this exercise up in the (stuffed) list of priorities. What is clear is that we don't want maemo just for Nokia. It's not that simple to make the current code more useful to other hardware environments, though. -- Quim Gil - http://maemo.org From koen@dominion.kabel.utwente.nl Wed May 23 03:40:29 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00F653B0073; Wed, 23 May 2007 03:40:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.38 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.38 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.070, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, TW_GT=0.077, TW_RK=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (up: 1435 hrs), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [130.89.2.8] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RkKFltGXVPjF; Wed, 23 May 2007 03:40:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.utwente.nl (smtp1.utsp.utwente.nl [130.89.2.8]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A1463B00EF; Wed, 23 May 2007 03:40:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.20.1.5] (dominion.kabel.utwente.nl [130.89.193.158]) by smtp.utwente.nl (8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) with ESMTP id l4N7eELr031873; Wed, 23 May 2007 09:40:15 +0200 Message-ID: <4653EFDC.4010903@dominion.kabel.utwente.nl> Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 09:40:12 +0200 From: Koen Kooi User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: Question about the performance of gtk+ in neo1973 mobile phone References: <49eab5c80705212027q722d9956qfbdebdff55941f5b@mail.gmail.com> <465294EB.6060909@dominion.kabel.utwente.nl> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-UTwente-MailScanner-Information: Scanned by MailScanner. Contact helpdesk@ITBE.utwente.nl for more information. X-UTwente-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-UTwente-MailScanner-From: koen@dominion.kabel.utwente.nl Cc: performance-list@gnome.org, mobile-devel-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: koen@dominion.kabel.utwente.nl List-Id: GNOME Mobile Platform development and discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 07:40:29 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Daniel Amelang schreef: > On 5/21/07, Koen Kooi wrote: >> falls huang schreef: >> > Hello All ! >> > >> > I received a neo1973 mobile phone last week, its Operation >> System is >> > linux/openmoko , CPU: s3c2410 , arm920t, 266M HZ. But I found when I >> > start an application, the speed is very slow than windows >> > mobile/symbian. Has anyone tuned the performance of GTK+ in neo1973? >> > >> > btw: openmoko is a free mobile phone operating system based on >> > gtk+/linux ---> www.openmoko.org >> >> You can make it faster (but still slow) by using gtk 2.10.12 + a cairo >> with surface cache >> and workqueue support (1.4.7). To make it useable you'll have to >> disable the pixmap-heavy >> theme it uses. > > I think you mean "pixbuf-heavy" theme, right (not pixmap)? > > If slow pixbuf rendering were a problem, you may be interested in a > patch I submitted recently to xorg that speeded up pixbuf rendering on > R5G6B5 framebuffers by 3.4x : > > http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2007-April/024286.html > > That speedup was measured on a N800, but the neo1973 should see > similar improvement. I gave the testapp and patch a spin: ipaq hx4700: unpatched Xw100: 6.04 FPS patched Xw100: 6.04 FPS unpatched Xfbdev: 6.04 FPS patched Xfbdev: 6.04 FPS ipaq h2200: unpatched Xfbdev: 4.18 FPS patched Xfbdev: 4.17 FPS Any clues why the patch doesn't seem to have an effect? regards, Koen -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iD8DBQFGU+/bMkyGM64RGpERApTSAJ9xgq6quc/brxTjEbL0Of+nzRdYkwCfY+sH AaJVefm+QyIkg2iF4nx8AG4= =rFeH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From daniel.amelang@gmail.com Wed May 23 04:23:13 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4D593B0134 for ; Wed, 23 May 2007 04:23:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZAYyRICU9QlF for ; Wed, 23 May 2007 04:23:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.239]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D7633B00EF for ; Wed, 23 May 2007 04:23:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i26so77250wxd for ; Wed, 23 May 2007 01:23:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.125.11 with SMTP id x11mr609614wxc.1179908589854; Wed, 23 May 2007 01:23:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.105.3 with HTTP; Wed, 23 May 2007 01:23:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 01:23:09 -0700 From: "Daniel Amelang" To: koen@dominion.kabel.utwente.nl Subject: Re: Question about the performance of gtk+ in neo1973 mobile phone In-Reply-To: <4653EFDC.4010903@dominion.kabel.utwente.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <49eab5c80705212027q722d9956qfbdebdff55941f5b@mail.gmail.com> <465294EB.6060909@dominion.kabel.utwente.nl> <4653EFDC.4010903@dominion.kabel.utwente.nl> Cc: performance-list@gnome.org, mobile-devel-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Mobile Platform development and discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 08:23:13 -0000 On 5/23/07, Koen Kooi wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Daniel Amelang schreef: > > > If slow pixbuf rendering were a problem, you may be interested in a > > patch I submitted recently to xorg that speeded up pixbuf rendering on > > R5G6B5 framebuffers by 3.4x : > > > > http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2007-April/024286.html > > > > That speedup was measured on a N800, but the neo1973 should see > > similar improvement. > > I gave the testapp and patch a spin: > > ipaq hx4700: > > unpatched Xw100: 6.04 FPS > patched Xw100: 6.04 FPS > unpatched Xfbdev: 6.04 FPS > patched Xfbdev: 6.04 FPS > > ipaq h2200: > > unpatched Xfbdev: 4.18 FPS > patched Xfbdev: 4.17 FPS > > Any clues why the patch doesn't seem to have an effect? Assuming you didn't make any errors in applying the patch and getting the patched server compiled and up and running (I do have faith in you :), it's likely that for your combination of Gdk+Xserver+hardware, the test program doesn't hit the exact same composite case (fbCompositeSrc_8888RevNPx0565) as it does on my N800. Easiest way to tell that would to add a couple ErrorF calls in fbpict.c to see what functions are called. ErrorF messages get spat out to stderr, if I remember correctly. You didn't happen to apply that patch by hand, did you? I can think of a couple tricky places that might have tripped you up if you did. Especially the part about adding the new function to the fbComposite "switch case of doom". Care to send me your patched fbpict.c? Dan Amelang From Tommi.Komulainen@nokia.com Wed May 23 05:03:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16FCA3B013A for ; Wed, 23 May 2007 05:03:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.529 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.529 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.069, BAYES_00=-2.599, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) (up: 7513 hrs), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [131.228.20.170] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NZYNVHS9lqfG for ; Wed, 23 May 2007 05:03:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mgw-ext11.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [131.228.20.170]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A4E73B010F for ; Wed, 23 May 2007 05:03:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from esebh107.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh107.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.143.143]) by mgw-ext11.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.5/Switch-3.2.5) with ESMTP id l4N93RTq022702 for ; Wed, 23 May 2007 12:03:33 +0300 Received: from esebh104.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.143.34]) by esebh107.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 23 May 2007 12:03:16 +0300 Received: from esebe106.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.143.51]) by esebh104.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 23 May 2007 12:03:16 +0300 Received: from 172.21.35.33 ([172.21.35.33]) by esebe106.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.143.51]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Wed, 23 May 2007 09:03:15 +0000 Received: from localhost by esebe106.noe.nokia.com; 23 May 2007 09:03:15 +0000 Subject: Re: hildon@gnome.org From: Tommi Komulainen To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1179872013.26524.9.camel@behdad> References: <46536826.6020504@nokia.com> <1179872013.26524.9.camel@behdad> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 12:03:14 +0300 Message-Id: <1179910995.30497.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 May 2007 09:03:16.0337 (UTC) FILETIME=[3346CE10:01C79D19] X-Nokia-AV: Clean X-BeenThere: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Mobile Platform development and discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 09:03:39 -0000 On Tue, 2007-05-22 at 18:13 -0400, ext Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > On Wed, 2007-05-23 at 01:01 +0300, Carlos Guerreiro wrote: > > > > Since then, a lot of effort has been put on improving Hildon's > > alignment with gtk+ and GNOME by aggressively reducing our > > patch against gtk+ and Hildon's dependencies on Maemo specifics. > > This is all very interesting. In the long run, what features do you see > that have to live in Hildon and cannot be moved to current GNOME > platform libraries? Given that there are bugs/proposals to add > GtkApplication classes and similar efforts, what is it in Hildon that > doesn't have a future in Gtk+? Well, basically Hildon widgets could be just gtk+ widgets themed in a special way, at least in theory. However, in practice I think there may be widgets that would be easier to maintain and customize when they're more standalone. But even in that case it would be really useful to be able to provide the same interface for the application developers. -- Tommi Komulainen From allen.well@yahoo.com Wed May 23 05:48:44 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FDC83B010F for ; Wed, 23 May 2007 05:48:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Spam-Score: 2.171 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=2.171 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: FreeBSD 6.x (1) (up: 1220 hrs), (distance 11, link: ethernet/modem), [66.196.100.37] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MR51ZuExkejE for ; Wed, 23 May 2007 05:48:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web57301.mail.re1.yahoo.com (web57301.mail.re1.yahoo.com [66.196.100.37]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AB9DB3B007E for ; Wed, 23 May 2007 05:48:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 60306 invoked by uid 60001); 23 May 2007 09:48:39 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: nJuQq6gVM1kWn32gMJkhis42i6Rivu5mDU2nt8bPfbCS00A_T8huOMfhNHwv6GvfLQhemYx6n42lgM7F98SVwzOAEtATMWBgxJa9gmO2z1hrK8KiV.wa_w-- Received: from [219.142.125.223] by web57301.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 May 2007 16:48:38 ICT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/651.23.1 YahooMailWebService/0.7.41.14 Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 16:48:38 +0700 (ICT) From: Allen Wang Subject: Re: where to go To: Philip Van Hoof MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-608602689-1179913718=:59642" Message-ID: <961797.59642.qm@web57301.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Cc: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org, allen.well@yahoo.com X-BeenThere: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Mobile Platform development and discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 09:48:44 -0000 --0-608602689-1179913718=:59642 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ascii Hey, Philip, Thanks very much for your help. So mobile platform based on gnome already exists and is even mature like maemo. The main goal of GMAE is to standardize the functionalities of components and the interfaces between them so that they can work smoothly. The standardization work should be based on existing platform like GPE or Maemo. am I right ? My other question is, How to become a developer to contribute to this project? GMAE have already selected teams and developers or you are still recruiting resource ? Thanks again. Regards, Allen Hey Allen, As a currently available solution to putting a GNOME environment on a mobile device you could already take a look at GPE or Maemo. Both provide you with sufficient tools to customise them in such a way that they can easily be deployed on a wide range of mobile devices (once you have a kernel and for example KDrive running on it). Although the Maemo distribution, right now, has a strong emphasis on the Nokia products (the 770 and the N800), it consists of a lot of the exact same components as for example ... GPE. The GMAE initiative, though, is getting different teams and people together to create the necessary synergy to get all the different components working cooperatively together. This is happening right now, indeed. On one mobile device (instance) having competing components is usually very uninteresting (on performance, on memory utilisation and on the final UI experience. All of those depending on the component, of course) ps. Although competition is very interesting and very needed in our communities to achieve getting better than what other solutions offer, I believe the answer for competitors is to nevertheless cooperate on standardisation (for example via. freedesktop.org) and compete with each other on implementation (if there is actual competition). GMAE will indeed help you with knowing which components are recommended and are compatible with which other component. Eventually it might also cause some sort of standard set of components and mark specific component's versions that identifies a distribution like GPE, Maemo, Hiker, OLPC's Sugar, etc as "a typical GMAE one". On Wed, 2007-05-23 at 00:43 +0800, allen_mail wrote: > Hi, Adilson / Naveen, > > I have the same question about this project as yours, I joined this > maillist and don't know how to move ahead now. Let me introduce myself > also. > > I am Allen from Motorola, working on LinuxJava Platform project. > Several monthes ago,I was very curious about what would it be if we > transplant gnome to mobile phones. Then I did some trying but > eventually I gave up. It is really a big work for myself to do this. > > I am very excited with the news that gnome will develop gnome mobile > platform, I joined this mailist immediately. I have mobile device > developing experience, hopefully I can bring in my effort to this > project. > > But I don't know where to go now, can anyone help give us some brief > description about the progress/achievements and the plan ? Is there > anything we can help ? Thanks very much. > > Regards, > Allen ____________________________________________________________________________________ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ --0-608602689-1179913718=:59642 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ascii

Hey, Philip,

Thanks very much for your help.

So mobile platform based on gnome already exists and is even mature like maemo. The main goal of GMAE is to standardize the functionalities of components and the interfaces between them so that they can work smoothly.

The standardization work should be based on existing platform like GPE or Maemo. am I right ?

My other question is,

How to become a developer to contribute to this project? GMAE have already selected teams and developers or you are still recruiting resource ? Thanks again.

Regards,
Allen

Hey Allen,

As a currently available solution to putting a GNOME environment on a
mobile device you could already take a look at GPE or Maemo. Both
provide you with sufficient tools to customise them in such a way that
they can easily be deployed on a wide range of mobile devices (once you
have a kernel and for example KDrive running on it).

Although the Maemo distribution, right now, has a strong emphasis on the
Nokia products (the 770 and the N800), it consists of a lot of the exact
same components as for example ... GPE.

The GMAE initiative, though, is getting different teams and people
together to create the necessary synergy to get all the different
components working cooperatively together. This is happening right now,
indeed.

On one mobile device (instance) having competing components is usually
very uninteresting (on performance, on memory utilisation and on the
final UI experience. All of those depending on the component, of course)

ps. Although competition is very interesting and very needed in our
communities to achieve getting better than what other solutions offer, I
believe the answer for competitors is to nevertheless cooperate on
standardisation (for example via. freedesktop.org) and compete with each
other on implementation (if there is actual competition).

GMAE will indeed help you with knowing which components are recommended
and are compatible with which other component. Eventually it might also
cause some sort of standard set of components and mark specific
component's versions that identifies a distribution like GPE, Maemo,
Hiker, OLPC's Sugar, etc as "a typical GMAE one".

On Wed, 2007-05-23 at 00:43 +0800, allen_mail wrote:
> Hi, Adilson / Naveen,
>
> I have the same question about this project as yours, I joined this
> maillist and don't know how to move ahead now. Let me introduce myself
> also.
>
> I am Allen from Motorola, working on LinuxJava Platform project.
> Several monthes ago,I was very curious about what would it be if we
> transplant gnome to mobile phones. Then I did some trying but
> eventually I gave up. It is really a big work for myself to do this.
>
> I am very excited with the news that gnome will develop gnome mobile
> platform, I joined this mailist immediately. I have mobile device
> developing experience, hopefully I can bring in my effort to this
> project.
>
> But I don't know where to go now, can anyone help give us some brief
> description about the progress/achievements and the plan ? Is there
> anything we can help ? Thanks very much.
>
> Regards,
> Allen

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Travel to find your fit. --0-608602689-1179913718=:59642-- From pvanhoof@gnome.org Wed May 23 05:53:18 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E46323B00FF for ; Wed, 23 May 2007 05:53:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.545 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.545 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.055, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 3953 hrs), (distance 25, link: ethernet/modem), [86.39.154.66] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hf9dkGbn8DDr for ; Wed, 23 May 2007 05:53:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.freax.org (mail.freax.org [86.39.154.66]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BA623B0074 for ; Wed, 23 May 2007 05:53:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.freax.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3806718EEC7; Wed, 23 May 2007 11:35:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.freax.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.freax.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TPHA6u3DyKCg; Wed, 23 May 2007 11:35:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.113] (d54C0EE14.access.telenet.be [84.192.238.20]) (using SSLv3 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.freax.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E074118E778; Wed, 23 May 2007 11:35:11 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: where to go From: Philip Van Hoof To: Allen Wang In-Reply-To: <961797.59642.qm@web57301.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <961797.59642.qm@web57301.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 11:53:12 +0200 Message-Id: <1179913992.7013.135.camel@schtrumpf> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Mobile Platform development and discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 09:53:18 -0000 On Wed, 2007-05-23 at 16:48 +0700, Allen Wang wrote: > > Hey, Philip, > > Thanks very much for your help. > > So mobile platform based on gnome already exists and is even mature > like maemo. The main goal of GMAE is to standardize the > functionalities of components and the interfaces between them so that > they can work smoothly. > The standardization work should be based on existing platform like GPE > or Maemo. am I right ? > > > My other question is, > > How to become a developer to contribute to this project? GMAE have > already selected teams and developers or you are still recruiting > resource ? Thanks again. The best way is to join one or more of the project's mailing lists, talk with people about your intentions with the software, start providing patches. Another excellent way to get started is to visit a conference like GUADEC. You'll meet the the 'dudes' who actually did all that fancy software in GNOME, including the ones who work on embedded and mobile things. You'll also meetup with people of some very interesting companies. Including Nokia, indeed. > Hey Allen, > > As a currently available solution to putting a GNOME environment on a > mobile device you could already take a look at GPE or Maemo. Both > provide you with sufficient tools to customise them in such a way that > they can easily be deployed on a wide range of mobile devices (once > you > have a kernel and for example KDrive running on it). > > Although the Maemo distribution, right now, has a strong emphasis on > the > Nokia products (the 770 and the N800), it consists of a lot of the > exact > same components as for example ... GPE. > > The GMAE initiative, though, is getting different teams and people > together to create the necessary synergy to get all the different > components working cooperatively together. This is happening right > now, > indeed. > > On one mobile device (instance) having competing components is usually > very uninteresting (on performance, on memory utilisation and on the > final UI experience. All of those depending on the component, of > course) > > ps. Although competition is very interesting and very needed in our > communities to achieve getting better than what other solutions offer, > I > believe the answer for competitors is to nevertheless cooperate on > standardisation (for example via. freedesktop.org) and compete with > each > other on implementation (if there is actual competition). > > GMAE will indeed help you with knowing which components are > recommended > and are compatible with which other component. Eventually it might > also > cause some sort of standard set of components and mark specific > component's versions that identifies a distribution like GPE, Maemo, > Hiker, OLPC's Sugar, etc as "a typical GMAE one". > > > > On Wed, 2007-05-23 at 00:43 +0800, allen_mail wrote: > > Hi, Adilson / Naveen, > > > > I have the same question about this project as yours, I joined this > > maillist and don't know how to move ahead now. Let me introduce > myself > > also. > > > > I am Allen from Motorola, working on LinuxJava Platform project. > > Several monthes ago,I was very curious about what would it be if we > > transplant gnome to mobile phones. Then I did some trying but > > eventually I gave up. It is really a big work for myself to do > this. > > > > I am very excited with the news that gnome will develop gnome mobile > > platform, I joined this mailist immediately. I have mobile device > > developing experience, hopefully I can bring in my effort to this > > project. > > > > But I don't know where to go now, can anyone help give us some brief > > description about the progress/achievements and the plan ? Is there > > anything we can help ? Thanks very much. > > > > Regards, > > Allen > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels > in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. -- Philip Van Hoof, software developer home: me at pvanhoof dot be gnome: pvanhoof at gnome dot org http://www.pvanhoof.be/blog From kalle.vahlman@gmail.com Thu May 24 03:54:45 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD8D13B00C9 for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 03:54:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.307 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.307 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.216, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_EV=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (Google crawlbot) (firewall!) (up: 60 hrs), (distance 11, link: (Google 2)), [66.249.82.226] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BIay2gNsMeNE for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 03:54:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.226]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B929B3B00BE for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 03:54:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i26so239672wxd for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 00:54:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.56.5 with SMTP id e5mr1538906aga.1179993280897; Thu, 24 May 2007 00:54:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.27.5 with HTTP; Thu, 24 May 2007 00:54:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <177e83dd0705240054w5405126epaefedfbf3b1aa92c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 10:54:40 +0300 From: "Kalle Vahlman" To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: hildon@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1179910995.30497.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <46536826.6020504@nokia.com> <1179872013.26524.9.camel@behdad> <1179910995.30497.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-BeenThere: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: zuh@iki.fi List-Id: GNOME Mobile Platform development and discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 07:54:45 -0000 2007/5/23, Tommi Komulainen : > On Tue, 2007-05-22 at 18:13 -0400, ext Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > > On Wed, 2007-05-23 at 01:01 +0300, Carlos Guerreiro wrote: > > > > > > Since then, a lot of effort has been put on improving Hildon's > > > alignment with gtk+ and GNOME by aggressively reducing our > > > patch against gtk+ and Hildon's dependencies on Maemo specifics. > > > > This is all very interesting. In the long run, what features do you see > > that have to live in Hildon and cannot be moved to current GNOME > > platform libraries? Given that there are bugs/proposals to add > > GtkApplication classes and similar efforts, what is it in Hildon that > > doesn't have a future in Gtk+? > > Well, basically Hildon widgets could be just gtk+ widgets themed in a > special way, at least in theory. However, in practice I think there may > be widgets that would be easier to maintain and customize when they're > more standalone. But even in that case it would be really useful to be > able to provide the same interface for the application developers. Right now would be a good time to actually define what is included in this "Hildon" anyway... While in the context of GTK+, the answer is probably "the Hildon widgets", the url pointed to by Carlos includes *loads* of other stuff, like the Sapwood theme engine and gnomevfs stuff, as well as the rewrite of maemo-af-desktop. So perhaps some list of things actually thought to be developed within the Hildon project should be created, to help with grasping what all we are talking about here exactly. -- Kalle Vahlman, zuh@iki.fi Powered by http://movial.fi Interesting stuff at http://syslog.movial.fi From tfheen@err.no Thu May 24 04:23:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E86D3B00C9 for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 04:23:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.464 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 1844 hrs), (distance 21, link: ethernet/modem), [85.19.200.177] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d3wXJtOMDIrD for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 04:22:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vawad.err.no (vawad.err.no [85.19.200.177]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 094233B0084 for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 04:22:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 189.84-48-121.nextgentel.com ([84.48.121.189] helo=localhost.localdomain) by vawad.err.no with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Hr8ay-0006O5-U4; Thu, 24 May 2007 10:22:53 +0200 Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id AD47BAB15B; Thu, 24 May 2007 10:22:07 +0200 (CEST) From: Tollef Fog Heen To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Subject: Introduction Mail-Copies-To: never Mail-Followup-To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 10:22:07 +0200 Message-ID: <87wsyybphs.fsf@xoog.err.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/21.4 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-BeenThere: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Mobile Platform development and discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 08:23:00 -0000 Hi all, I am Tollef Fog Heen, technical lead of Ubuntu Mobile. I am currently working on getting maemo packaged up for Ubuntu; the GMAE stack should already be available in Ubuntu. While I haven't been involved in GNOME before, I have been using it for years and am excited to help bring it to more platforms it has not been used for before. -- Tollef Fog Heen UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are From luc.pionchon@nokia.com Thu May 24 06:40:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B2EE3B0084 for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 06:40:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -1.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.845, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_EV=0.077, TW_SV=0.077, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) (up: 7769 hrs), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [131.228.20.171] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RwxkPbcJjR+g for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 06:40:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mgw-ext12.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [131.228.20.171]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D5D93B006E for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 06:40:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from esebh107.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh107.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.143.143]) by mgw-ext12.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.5/Switch-3.2.5) with ESMTP id l4OAeDK3027270; Thu, 24 May 2007 13:40:21 +0300 Received: from esebh103.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.143.33]) by esebh107.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 24 May 2007 13:40:09 +0300 Received: from esebe102.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.217]) by esebh103.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 24 May 2007 13:40:09 +0300 Received: from 172.21.39.58 ([172.21.39.58]) by esebe102.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.217]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Thu, 24 May 2007 10:40:09 +0000 Received: from hed041-152 by esebe102.NOE.Nokia.com; 24 May 2007 13:37:50 +0300 Subject: Re: hildon@gnome.org From: Luc Pionchon To: zuh@iki.fi In-Reply-To: <177e83dd0705240054w5405126epaefedfbf3b1aa92c@mail.gmail.com> References: <46536826.6020504@nokia.com> <1179872013.26524.9.camel@behdad> <1179910995.30497.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> <177e83dd0705240054w5405126epaefedfbf3b1aa92c@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 13:37:50 +0300 Message-Id: <1180003070.19923.152.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.1 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 May 2007 10:40:09.0856 (UTC) FILETIME=[E6D12800:01C79DEF] X-Nokia-AV: Clean Cc: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: luc.pionchon@nokia.com List-Id: GNOME Mobile Platform development and discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 10:40:26 -0000 Hi, Hildon bits are tagged at, https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/maemo-tags/hildon-bits/ Basically, a set of panels, a theme framework, and a set of libraries. Tommi described the components in this post, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-mobile/2007-May/000098.html As Carlos mentioned, our first "release" was a dump. Since we spent a lot of efforts to clean up the mess and align with upstream, and now is about time to release something stable and coherent. This is a work in progress, we are preparing a better information system than just a svn folder :) luc On Thu, 2007-05-24 at 10:54 +0300, ext Kalle Vahlman wrote: > 2007/5/23, Tommi Komulainen : > > On Tue, 2007-05-22 at 18:13 -0400, ext Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > > > On Wed, 2007-05-23 at 01:01 +0300, Carlos Guerreiro wrote: > > > > > > > > Since then, a lot of effort has been put on improving Hildon's > > > > alignment with gtk+ and GNOME by aggressively reducing our > > > > patch against gtk+ and Hildon's dependencies on Maemo specifics. > > > > > > This is all very interesting. In the long run, what features do you see > > > that have to live in Hildon and cannot be moved to current GNOME > > > platform libraries? Given that there are bugs/proposals to add > > > GtkApplication classes and similar efforts, what is it in Hildon that > > > doesn't have a future in Gtk+? > > > > Well, basically Hildon widgets could be just gtk+ widgets themed in a > > special way, at least in theory. However, in practice I think there may > > be widgets that would be easier to maintain and customize when they're > > more standalone. But even in that case it would be really useful to be > > able to provide the same interface for the application developers. > > Right now would be a good time to actually define what is included in > this "Hildon" anyway... > > While in the context of GTK+, the answer is probably "the Hildon > widgets", the url pointed to by Carlos includes *loads* of other > stuff, like the Sapwood theme engine and gnomevfs stuff, as well as > the rewrite of maemo-af-desktop. > > So perhaps some list of things actually thought to be developed within > the Hildon project should be created, to help with grasping what all > we are talking about here exactly. > From koen@dominion.kabel.utwente.nl Sun May 27 05:22:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29B653B00A5; Sun, 27 May 2007 05:22:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.455 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.455 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.009, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (up: 657 hrs), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [130.89.2.9] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id of3lrGf-k17p; Sun, 27 May 2007 05:22:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.utwente.nl (smtp2.utsp.utwente.nl [130.89.2.9]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E54D13B0072; Sun, 27 May 2007 05:22:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.20.1.5] (dominion.kabel.utwente.nl [130.89.193.158]) by smtp.utwente.nl (8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) with ESMTP id l4R9MLox023213; Sun, 27 May 2007 11:22:26 +0200 Message-ID: <46594DCE.8050506@dominion.kabel.utwente.nl> Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 11:22:22 +0200 From: Koen Kooi User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Question about the performance of gtk+ in neo1973 mobile phone References: <49eab5c80705212027q722d9956qfbdebdff55941f5b@mail.gmail.com> <465294EB.6060909@dominion.kabel.utwente.nl> <4653EFDC.4010903@dominion.kabel.utwente.nl> In-Reply-To: <4653EFDC.4010903@dominion.kabel.utwente.nl> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.2.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-UTwente-MailScanner-Information: Scanned by MailScanner. Contact helpdesk@ITBE.utwente.nl for more information. X-UTwente-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-UTwente-MailScanner-SpamScore: ss X-UTwente-MailScanner-From: koen@dominion.kabel.utwente.nl Cc: performance-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: koen@dominion.kabel.utwente.nl List-Id: GNOME Mobile Platform development and discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 09:22:36 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Koen Kooi schreef: > Daniel Amelang schreef: >> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2007-April/024286.html > >> That speedup was measured on a N800, but the neo1973 should see >> similar improvement. > > I gave the testapp and patch a spin: > > ipaq hx4700: > > unpatched Xw100: 6.04 FPS > patched Xw100: 6.04 FPS > unpatched Xfbdev: 6.04 FPS > patched Xfbdev: 6.04 FPS > > ipaq h2200: > > unpatched Xfbdev: 4.18 FPS > patched Xfbdev: 4.17 FPS > > Any clues why the patch doesn't seem to have an effect? Yes: the accelerated function doesn't get called. regards, Koen -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iD8DBQFGWU3OMkyGM64RGpERAhVtAKCegBmoba2FtppB6+USDNa3hhbchwCgsj2g TRa8FVGADQMOJqG0Wt3FOT4= =5jJE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From vincent@vuntz.net Tue May 29 17:50:10 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91BD53B0087; Tue, 29 May 2007 17:50:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.059 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.059 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.259, BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_UNKN=0.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: UNKNOWN [S4:47:1:60:M1460,S,T,N,W4:.:?:?] (up: 4920 hrs), (link: ethernet/modem), [82.228.182.88] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Yn5TgKaohToh; Tue, 29 May 2007 17:50:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77A113B0080; Tue, 29 May 2007 17:50:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 729CE1126D6; Tue, 29 May 2007 23:50:07 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 23:50:07 +0200 From: Vincent Untz To: Philip Van Hoof Subject: Re: where to go Message-ID: <20070529215007.GX8499@vuntz.net> References: <961797.59642.qm@web57301.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <1179913992.7013.135.camel@schtrumpf> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1179913992.7013.135.camel@schtrumpf> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Cc: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org, Allen Wang X-BeenThere: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Mobile Platform development and discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 21:50:10 -0000 Hi, Le mercredi 23 mai 2007, � 11:53 +0200, Philip Van Hoof a �crit : > > How to become a developer to contribute to this project? GMAE have > > already selected teams and developers or you are still recruiting > > resource ? Thanks again. > > > The best way is to join one or more of the project's mailing lists, talk > with people about your intentions with the software, start providing > patches. I just want to add one more word about this: the first step for contributing is really yours. Join mailing lists, listen, try to know where help is needed, be curious, find an area you're interested in (it can be code, but it can also be non-code stuff, like bug triaging, documentation, etc.), try to solve a small problem that is bothering you. And have fun. You really shouldn't wait for people to tell you what to do. There are really many areas where you can help. Just find one. And if you have difficulties finding what you can do, just tell us what you'd love to do and I'm sure we'll be able to show you where you can help. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas press�s. From vincent@vuntz.net Tue May 29 17:56:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03CD63B0105 for ; Tue, 29 May 2007 17:56:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -1.13 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.13 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.189, BAYES_20=-0.74, L_P0F_UNKN=0.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: UNKNOWN [S4:47:1:60:M1460,S,T,N,W4:.:?:?] (up: 4920 hrs), (link: ethernet/modem), [82.228.182.88] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1dZ8WUpHcQAO for ; Tue, 29 May 2007 17:56:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E411E3B006A for ; Tue, 29 May 2007 17:56:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0E4E51126D6; Tue, 29 May 2007 23:56:03 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 23:56:03 +0200 From: Vincent Untz To: Carlos Guerreiro Subject: Re: hildon@gnome.org Message-ID: <20070529215603.GY8499@vuntz.net> References: <46536826.6020504@nokia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <46536826.6020504@nokia.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Cc: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Mobile Platform development and discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 21:56:38 -0000 Hi Carlos, Le mercredi 23 mai 2007, � 01:01 +0300, Carlos Guerreiro a �crit : > At this point maemo's infrastructure is becoming inappropriate > to host the development of a project that needs to be spun off > from the specifics of the maemo environment and made accessible > to developers interested in deploying Hildon in other environments > such as Mobile Ubuntu. > > Setting up independent Hildon infrastructure (mailing list, wiki, > svn, bugzilla,...) is clearly an option but there's a bolder possibility > to consider: relocating the Hildon project to GNOME infrastructure > moving Hildon closer to the project and community it is based on. > > I believe GNOME is where Hildon ultimately belongs as a > GNOME Mobile framework optimized for the Tablet / MID form factors. > > Hildon could not (yet?) be part of the GNOME release but I believe it > would fit well as a user of the GNOME infrastructure and could > well move closer. As an example, releasing Hildon on a public > schedule aligned with GNOME's is a very attractive proposition right now. > > Getting there would require solving a lot of practical problems > mainly but not only at Nokia and would not happen overnight but > could be worth the effort. So hildon@gnome.org is a possibility > that we are very seriously considering now at Nokia. > > With that in mind, I'd like to hear from the GNOME community, > particularly the GNOME Mobile people, about how realistic and > desirable you find this possibility. I think this is an awesome idea, and I'm pretty sure there'd be no major issue in moving hildon to the GNOME infrastructure. Hildon doesn't have to follow a schedule similar to the GNOME one for this move to happen. Of course, this is also something which would be nice :-) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas press�s. From ernaveenverma@gmail.com Wed May 30 04:02:36 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73C723B0094 for ; Wed, 30 May 2007 04:02:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -1.966 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.966 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.259, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_30_40=0.374, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (Google crawlbot) (firewall!) (up: 243 hrs), (distance 12, link: (Google 2)), [64.233.162.238] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QbEfdxLy1dLz for ; Wed, 30 May 2007 04:02:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.238]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 194273B022F for ; Wed, 30 May 2007 04:02:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id n1so1672273nzf for ; Wed, 30 May 2007 01:02:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.55.1 with SMTP id h1mr3817197wak.1180512148133; Wed, 30 May 2007 01:02:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.125.10 with HTTP; Wed, 30 May 2007 01:02:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9d71b7f00705300102k28b4f77bnb9f934557079936b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 11:02:28 +0300 From: "Naveen Verma" To: "Vincent Untz" Subject: Re: where to go In-Reply-To: <20070529215007.GX8499@vuntz.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_966_3350754.1180512148097" References: <961797.59642.qm@web57301.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <1179913992.7013.135.camel@schtrumpf> <20070529215007.GX8499@vuntz.net> Cc: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org, Allen Wang X-BeenThere: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Mobile Platform development and discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 08:02:37 -0000 ------=_Part_966_3350754.1180512148097 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hi, On 5/30/07, Vincent Untz wrote: > > Hi, Thanks for you kind information. But as a beginner it is a bit difficult to find some area where we can start contribution. One reason is I don't know whats going on in this direction so that I can select some are and start looking at it. So it would be great if I can get some idea what is the plan and what is ongoing that will help us to find a way to start. -Regards Naveen Le mercredi 23 mai 2007, =E0 11:53 +0200, Philip Van Hoof a =E9crit : > > > How to become a developer to contribute to this project? GMAE have > > > already selected teams and developers or you are still recruiting > > > resource ? Thanks again. > > > > > > The best way is to join one or more of the project's mailing lists, tal= k > > with people about your intentions with the software, start providing > > patches. > > I just want to add one more word about this: the first step for > contributing is really yours. Join mailing lists, listen, try to know > where help is needed, be curious, find an area you're interested in (it > can be code, but it can also be non-code stuff, like bug triaging, > documentation, etc.), try to solve a small problem that is bothering > you. And have fun. > > You really shouldn't wait for people to tell you what to do. There are > really many areas where you can help. Just find one. > > And if you have difficulties finding what you can do, just tell us what > you'd love to do and I'm sure we'll be able to show you where you can > help. > > Vincent > > -- > Les gens heureux ne sont pas press=E9s. > _______________________________________________ > mobile-devel-list mailing list > mobile-devel-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-devel-list > ------=_Part_966_3350754.1180512148097 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hi,

On 5/30/07, Vincent Untz <vuntz@gn= ome.org> wrote:

Hi,

Thanks for you kind information. But as a beginner= it is a bit difficult to find some area where we can start contribution. O= ne reason is I don't know whats going on in this direction so that I ca= n select some are and start looking at it.

So it would be great if I can get some idea what is the plan and wh= at is ongoing that will help us to find a way to start.

-Regards
= Naveen

Le mercredi 23 mai 2007, =E0 11:53 +0200, Philip Van Hoof a =E9crit :
&g= t; > How to become a developer to contribute to this project? = ;GMAE have
> > already selected teams and developers or you are st= ill recruiting
> > resource ? Thanks again.
>
>
> T= he best way is to join one or more of the project's mailing lists, talk=
> with people about your intentions with the software, start providi= ng
> patches.

I just want to add one more word about this: the first= step for
contributing is really yours. Join mailing lists, listen, try = to know
where help is needed, be curious, find an area you're intere= sted in (it
can be code, but it can also be non-code stuff, like bug triaging,
d= ocumentation, etc.), try to solve a small problem that is bothering
you.= And have fun.

You really shouldn't wait for people to tell you = what to do. There are
really many areas where you can help. Just find one.

And if you = have difficulties finding what you can do, just tell us what
you'd l= ove to do and I'm sure we'll be able to show you where you can
help.

Vincent

--
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------=_Part_966_3350754.1180512148097-- From allen.well@yahoo.com Wed May 30 05:25:52 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 486A23B0248 for ; Wed, 30 May 2007 05:25:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: 0.253 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.253 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447, HTML_40_50=0.496, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: FreeBSD 4.7-5.2 (or MacOS X 10.2-10.4) (2) (up: 5892 hrs), (distance 11, link: ethernet/modem), [68.142.237.92] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Tru1yhQin3wW for ; Wed, 30 May 2007 05:25:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from n7.bullet.re3.yahoo.com (n7.bullet.re3.yahoo.com [68.142.237.92]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 284AD3B00A6 for ; Wed, 30 May 2007 05:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [68.142.230.29] by n7.bullet.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2007 09:25:48 -0000 Received: from [66.196.101.131] by t2.bullet.re2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2007 09:25:48 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by rrr2.mail.re1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 May 2007 09:25:48 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 485237.6614.bm@rrr2.mail.re1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 89810 invoked by uid 60001); 30 May 2007 09:25:48 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: mqhSka0VM1nO7iwRKmb5F14KnKFFB6BIw1vy8CHz1N02SlFqcHKWyabwsr2cOOATlkGZ_pb_fvCW81KMVyEx3tRcwQ-- Received: from [69.147.97.214] by web57302.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 May 2007 02:25:48 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/651.23.1 YahooMailWebService/0.7.41.16 Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 02:25:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Allen Wang Subject: Re: where to go To: Naveen Verma , Vincent Untz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1845190719-1180517148=:89554" Message-ID: <374993.89554.qm@web57302.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Cc: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Mobile Platform development and discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 09:25:52 -0000 --0-1845190719-1180517148=:89554 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Vincent, =0A=0AThanks much.=0A=0AI am interested in coding / bug fix, of co= urse, I can also work on testing if needed. Can you give me some suggesti= ons on where to move on?=0A=0AI know this mail list is specified for GMAE, = Are there any other maillists who are discussing about GAME topics ?=0A = =0ARegards,=0AAllen=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Naveen V= erma =0ATo: Vincent Untz =0ACc: P= hilip Van Hoof ; mobile-devel-list@gnome.org; Allen Wan= g =0ASent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 4:02:28 PM=0ASubje= ct: Re: where to go=0A=0AHi,=0A=0A=0AOn 5/30/07, Vincent Untz wrote:=0AHi,=0A=0AThanks for you kind information. But as a beginner i= t is a bit difficult to find some area where we can start contribution. One= reason is I don't know whats going on in this direction so that I can sele= ct some are and start looking at it. =0A=0ASo it would be great if I can ge= t some idea what is the plan and what is ongoing that will help us to find = a way to start.=0A=0A-Regards=0ANaveen=0A =0A=0A=0ALe mercredi 23 mai 2007,= =E0 11:53 +0200, Philip Van Hoof a =E9crit :=0A> > How to become a develop= er to contribute to this project? GMAE have=0A> > already selected teams a= nd developers or you are still recruiting =0A> > resource ? Thanks again.= =0A>=0A>=0A> The best way is to join one or more of the project's mailing l= ists, talk=0A> with people about your intentions with the software, start p= roviding=0A> patches.=0A=0AI just want to add one more word about this: the= first step for=0Acontributing is really yours. Join mailing lists, listen,= try to know=0Awhere help is needed, be curious, find an area you're intere= sted in (it =0Acan be code, but it can also be non-code stuff, like bug tri= aging,=0Adocumentation, etc.), try to solve a small problem that is botheri= ng=0Ayou. And have fun.=0A=0AYou really shouldn't wait for people to tell y= ou what to do. There are =0Areally many areas where you can help. Just find= one.=0A=0AAnd if you have difficulties finding what you can do, just tell = us what=0Ayou'd love to do and I'm sure we'll be able to show you where you= can=0Ahelp.=0A=0AVincent=0A=0A--=0ALes gens heureux ne sont pas press=E9s.= =0A_______________________________________________=0Amobile-devel-list mail= ing list=0Amobile-devel-list@gnome.org =0Ahttp://mail.gnome.org/mailman/lis= tinfo/mobile-devel-list=0A=0A=0A =0A_______________________________________= _____________________________________________=0AExpecting? 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=0A

Vincent,

=0A

Than= ks much.

=0A

I am interested in coding / = bug fix, of course, I can also work on testing if needed.&n= bsp; Can you give me some suggestions on where to move on?

=0A

&nb= sp;

=0A

I know this mail list is specified for GMAE,&nbs= p; Are there any other maillists who are discussing about GA= ME topics ?

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----- Original Message ----
From: Naveen Verma <ernaveenverma@gmail.= com>
To: Vincent Untz <vuntz@gnome.org>
Cc: Philip Van Hoof = <pvanhoof@gnome.org>; mobile-devel-list@gnome.org; Allen Wang <all= en.well@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 4:02:28 PM
Subjec= t: Re: where to go

Hi,

=0A

On 5= /30/07, Vincent Untz <vuntz@gnome.org> wro= te:=0A

Hi,=0A

Thanks for you kind information. But as a beginner it is= a bit difficult to find some area where we can start contribution. One rea= son is I don't know whats going on in this direction so that I can select s= ome are and start looking at it.

So it would be great if I can get = some idea what is the plan and what is ongoing that will help us to find a = way to start.

-Regards
Naveen

=0A
Le mercredi 23 mai 2007, =E0 11:53 = +0200, Philip Van Hoof a =E9crit :
> > How to become a developer t= o contribute to this project? GMAE have
> > already sel= ected teams and developers or you are still recruiting
> > resour= ce ? Thanks again.
>
>
> The best way is to jo= in one or more of the project's mailing lists, talk
> with people abo= ut your intentions with the software, start providing
> patches.
<= BR>I just want to add one more word about this: the first step for
contr= ibuting is really yours. Join mailing lists, listen, try to know
where h= elp is needed, be curious, find an area you're interested in (it
can be= code, but it can also be non-code stuff, like bug triaging,
documentati= on, etc.), try to solve a small problem that is bothering
you. And have fun.

You really shouldn't wait for people to tell you what to do. T= here are
really many areas where you can help. Just find one.

An= d if you have difficulties finding what you can do, just tell us what
yo= u'd love to do and I'm sure we'll be able to show you where you can
help= ..

Vincent

--
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__= _____________________________________________
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Answers Food & Drink Q&A. --0-1845190719-1180517148=:89554-- From tfheen@err.no Thu May 24 06:25:32 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87F5D3B008F for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 06:25:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.464 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 1846 hrs), (distance 22, link: ethernet/modem), [85.19.200.177] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RfqeKEjnI+ZJ for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 06:25:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vawad.err.no (vawad.err.no [85.19.200.177]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78AA23B006E for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 06:25:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 189.84-48-121.nextgentel.com ([84.48.121.189] helo=localhost.localdomain) by vawad.err.no with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1HrAVX-0006pp-AQ; Thu, 24 May 2007 12:25:25 +0200 Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0ED765F73B; Thu, 24 May 2007 12:24:36 +0200 (CEST) From: Tollef Fog Heen To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: hildon@gnome.org References: <46536826.6020504@nokia.com> <1179872013.26524.9.camel@behdad> <1179910995.30497.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> <177e83dd0705240054w5405126epaefedfbf3b1aa92c@mail.gmail.com> Mail-Copies-To: never Mail-Followup-To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <177e83dd0705240054w5405126epaefedfbf3b1aa92c@mail.gmail.com> (Kalle Vahlman's message of "Thu, 24 May 2007 10:54:40 +0300") Message-ID: <87ps4qbjtn.fsf@xoog.err.no> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/21.4 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 19:52:44 -0400 X-BeenThere: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Mobile Platform development and discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 10:25:32 -0000 X-Original-Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 12:24:36 +0200 X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 10:25:32 -0000 * "Kalle Vahlman" | So perhaps some list of things actually thought to be developed within | the Hildon project should be created, to help with grasping what all | we are talking about here exactly. https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-mobile/2007-May/000098.html explains what the different bits of hildon are and their relation to each other. -- Tollef Fog Heen UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are From koen@dominion.kabel.utwente.nl Wed May 23 04:46:38 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC3D53B010F; Wed, 23 May 2007 04:46:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.456 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.456 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.008, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (up: 1446 hrs), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [130.89.2.8] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ud2Q-xkvISw0; Wed, 23 May 2007 04:46:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.utwente.nl (smtp1.utsp.utwente.nl [130.89.2.8]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 755633B007E; Wed, 23 May 2007 04:46:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.20.1.5] (dominion.kabel.utwente.nl [130.89.193.158]) by smtp.utwente.nl (8.12.10/SuSE Linux 0.7) with ESMTP id l4N8kLLr012707; Wed, 23 May 2007 10:46:21 +0200 Message-ID: <4653FF5C.60302@dominion.kabel.utwente.nl> From: Koen Kooi User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Macintosh/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniel Amelang Subject: Re: Question about the performance of gtk+ in neo1973 mobile phone References: <49eab5c80705212027q722d9956qfbdebdff55941f5b@mail.gmail.com> <465294EB.6060909@dominion.kabel.utwente.nl> <4653EFDC.4010903@dominion.kabel.utwente.nl> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.2.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------070003000508070405010307" X-UTwente-MailScanner-Information: Scanned by MailScanner. 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X-UTwente-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-UTwente-MailScanner-From: koen@dominion.kabel.utwente.nl X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 19:52:50 -0400 Cc: performance-list@gnome.org, mobile-devel-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Mobile Platform development and discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 08:46:38 -0000 X-Original-Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 10:46:20 +0200 X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 08:46:38 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070003000508070405010307 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Daniel Amelang schreef: > On 5/23/07, Koen Kooi wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Daniel Amelang schreef: >> >>> If slow pixbuf rendering were a problem, you may be interested in a >>> patch I submitted recently to xorg that speeded up pixbuf rendering on >>> R5G6B5 framebuffers by 3.4x : >>> >>> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2007-April/024286.html >>> >>> That speedup was measured on a N800, but the neo1973 should see >>> similar improvement. >> I gave the testapp and patch a spin: >> >> ipaq hx4700: >> >> unpatched Xw100: 6.04 FPS >> patched Xw100: 6.04 FPS >> unpatched Xfbdev: 6.04 FPS >> patched Xfbdev: 6.04 FPS >> >> ipaq h2200: >> >> unpatched Xfbdev: 4.18 FPS >> patched Xfbdev: 4.17 FPS >> >> Any clues why the patch doesn't seem to have an effect? > > Assuming you didn't make any errors in applying the patch and getting > the patched server compiled and up and running (I do have faith in you > :), it's likely that for your combination of Gdk+Xserver+hardware, the > test program doesn't hit the exact same composite case > (fbCompositeSrc_8888RevNPx0565) as it does on my N800. gtk 2.10.12 + xserver-xorg 1.2.0, built as kdrive. > Easiest way to tell that would to add a couple ErrorF calls in > fbpict.c to see what functions are called. ErrorF messages get spat > out to stderr, if I remember correctly. > > You didn't happen to apply that patch by hand, did you? I can think of > a couple tricky places that might have tripped you up if you did. > Especially the part about adding the new function to the fbComposite > "switch case of doom". 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--------------070003000508070405010307-- From jdub@perkypants.org Mon May 7 04:23:03 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F86B3B0179 for ; Mon, 7 May 2007 04:23:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.411 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.411 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.053, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 273 hrs), (distance 11, link: ethernet/modem), [70.85.31.216] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kFxlll5riWKb for ; Mon, 7 May 2007 04:23:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CE9D3B01BA for ; Mon, 7 May 2007 04:22:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (home.waugh.id.au [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 893713DBAE for ; Mon, 7 May 2007 18:22:55 +1000 (EST) Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0BDF857E3E; Mon, 7 May 2007 18:22:51 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 18:22:51 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: mobile-devel-list Subject: Test Message-ID: <20070507082251.GD28325@localhost> Mail-Followup-To: mobile-devel-list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.20-15-generic i686 X-Uptime: 18:21:40 up 3 days, 2:39, 6 users, load average: 0.34, 0.29, 0.17 Reply-By: Thu May 10 18:21:40 EST 2007 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-BeenThere: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Mobile Platform development and discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 08:23:03 -0000 Apologies for the test mail, Rob says the list is b0rk. Hopefully this will be caught by emergency moderation so you'll never see it anyway. If you do, I am lame. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2008: Melbourne, Australia http://lca2008.linux.org.au/ "The postmodern version is: If all you have is duct tape, everything starts to look like a duct. Right. When's the last time you used duct tape on a duct?" - Larry Wall From jdub@perkypants.org Mon May 7 04:25:00 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 495843B0165 for ; Mon, 7 May 2007 04:25:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.411 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.411 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.053, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 273 hrs), (distance 11, link: ethernet/modem), [70.85.31.216] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GB1BsCj+7f90 for ; Mon, 7 May 2007 04:24:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 002703B0130 for ; Mon, 7 May 2007 04:24:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (home.waugh.id.au [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B2CF3DBBD for ; Mon, 7 May 2007 18:24:57 +1000 (EST) Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0B94B57E3E; Mon, 7 May 2007 18:24:53 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 18:24:53 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Test Message-ID: <20070507082453.GE28325@localhost> Mail-Followup-To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org References: <20070507082251.GD28325@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20070507082251.GD28325@localhost> X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.20-15-generic i686 X-Uptime: 18:24:03 up 3 days, 2:41, 6 users, load average: 0.18, 0.24, 0.16 Reply-By: Thu May 10 18:24:03 EST 2007 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-BeenThere: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Mobile Platform development and discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 08:25:00 -0000 > I am lame. Gah. Too slow. Oh well, at least it demonstrably works now. Hrmph. Thanks, Rob. - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2008: Melbourne, Australia http://lca2008.linux.org.au/ "Well, you know us usability folks... We like to believe that the two aren't mutually exclusive." - Calum Benson on power and cleanliness From jjmmma@gmail.com Mon May 7 04:39:01 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5294B3B010D for ; Mon, 7 May 2007 04:39:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.103 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.103 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_40_50=0.496, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (Google crawlbot) (firewall!) (up: 7455 hrs), (distance 12, link: (Google 2)), [64.233.162.231] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aEsEPVypyrwC for ; Mon, 7 May 2007 04:38:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.231]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 279953B014B for ; Mon, 7 May 2007 04:38:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k1so1637763nzf for ; Mon, 07 May 2007 01:38:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.60.19 with SMTP id i19mr2037016waa.1178527136139; Mon, 07 May 2007 01:38:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.255.5 with HTTP; Mon, 7 May 2007 01:38:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:38:56 +0800 From: "=?GB2312?B?wu28qr78?=" To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Test In-Reply-To: <20070507082453.GE28325@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_78907_33529516.1178527136059" References: <20070507082251.GD28325@localhost> <20070507082453.GE28325@localhost> X-BeenThere: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Mobile Platform development and discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 08:39:01 -0000 ------=_Part_78907_33529516.1178527136059 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline yes, it works, but seems not very active 2007/5/7, Jeff Waugh : > > > > > I am lame. > > Gah. Too slow. Oh well, at least it demonstrably works now. Hrmph. Thanks, > Rob. > > - Jeff > > -- > linux.conf.au 2008: Melbourne, Australia > http://lca2008.linux.org.au/ > > "Well, you know us usability folks... We like to believe that the two > aren't mutually exclusive." - Calum Benson on power and cleanliness > _______________________________________________ > mobile-devel-list mailing list > mobile-devel-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/mobile-devel-list > -- Bisous, Jijun MA http://jjmmma.googlepages.com College of Computer Science, Zhejiang University, China Zhejiang University-Intel Embedded Technology Center ------=_Part_78907_33529516.1178527136059 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline yes, it works, but seems not very active

2007/5/7, Jeff Waugh <jdub@perkypants.org>:

<quote who="Jeff Waugh">

> I am lame.

Gah. Too slow. Oh well, at least it demonstrably works now. Hrmph. Thanks,
Rob.

- Jeff

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Zhejiang University-Intel Embedded Technology Center ------=_Part_78907_33529516.1178527136059-- From jdub@perkypants.org Mon May 7 04:44:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43A1A3B0130 for ; Mon, 7 May 2007 04:44:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.411 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.411 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.053, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 273 hrs), (distance 11, link: ethernet/modem), [70.85.31.216] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YflfQXnxBF2w for ; Mon, 7 May 2007 04:44:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8FF13B010D for ; Mon, 7 May 2007 04:44:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (home.waugh.id.au [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6A8D3DBD3 for ; Mon, 7 May 2007 18:44:45 +1000 (EST) Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 525AA57E3E; Mon, 7 May 2007 18:44:42 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 18:44:42 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Test Message-ID: <20070507084442.GF28325@localhost> Mail-Followup-To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org References: <20070507082251.GD28325@localhost> <20070507082453.GE28325@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.20-15-generic i686 X-Uptime: 18:42:45 up 3 days, 3:00, 5 users, load average: 0.10, 0.09, 0.09 Reply-By: Thu May 10 18:42:45 EST 2007 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-BeenThere: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Mobile Platform development and discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 08:44:49 -0000 > yes, it works, but seems not very active Before the public launch, GMAE was discussed on another list. This list will be used in future for development related discussion. Particularly helpful that it now correctly sends and receives mail. ;-) - Jeff -- OSCON 2007: Portland OR, USA http://conferences.oreillynet.com/oscon/ "On Tuesday I saw Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon with Zack and two ladies whom I presume are gracious." - Seth Schoen From mikkel@linet.dk Mon May 7 05:54:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24B833B00AB for ; Mon, 7 May 2007 05:54:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: 0.496 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.496 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_40_50=0.496, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 214 hrs), (distance 13, link: ethernet/modem), [81.19.227.227] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NdwZbikvn01s for ; Mon, 7 May 2007 05:54:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from linet.dk (unknown [81.19.227.227]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C5D93B00A4 for ; Mon, 7 May 2007 05:54:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 30228 invoked from network); 7 May 2007 09:54:18 -0000 Comment: DomainKeys? See http://antispam.yahoo.com/domainkeys Received: from unknown (HELO [130.226.36.170]) (mkj@[130.226.36.170]) (envelope-sender ) by 0 (qmail-ldap-1.03) with RC4-MD5 encrypted SMTP for ; 7 May 2007 09:54:18 -0000 Subject: Mono From: Mikkel Kruse Johnsen To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-gopk79e21jLqbBs1FwG9" Organization: Linet Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 11:54:17 +0200 Message-Id: <1178531657.3160.14.camel@tux.lib.cbs.dk> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.8.3 (2.8.3-2.fc6) X-BeenThere: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: mikkel@linet.dk List-Id: GNOME Mobile Platform development and discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 09:54:23 -0000 --=-gopk79e21jLqbBs1FwG9 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All I can see that there are some Technologies Under Consideration but I don't see C# (Mono) mentiond anywhere, is that not under consideration ? I think that C# could speed up the development for this platform. What is people thoughts on this ? /Mikkel --=-gopk79e21jLqbBs1FwG9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All

I can see that there are some Technologies Under Consideration but I don't see C# (Mono) mentiond anywhere, is that not under consideration ?

I think that C# could speed up the development for this platform. What is people thoughts on this ?

/Mikkel

--=-gopk79e21jLqbBs1FwG9-- From jdub@perkypants.org Mon May 7 06:08:28 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85E0A3B010D for ; Mon, 7 May 2007 06:08:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.411 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.411 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.053, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 275 hrs), (distance 11, link: ethernet/modem), [70.85.31.216] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 89T4dO4yaPll for ; Mon, 7 May 2007 06:08:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6CFD3B00AB for ; Mon, 7 May 2007 06:08:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (home.waugh.id.au [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 173183D40A for ; Mon, 7 May 2007 20:08:22 +1000 (EST) Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7E69E57E3E; Mon, 7 May 2007 20:08:18 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 20:08:18 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Mono Message-ID: <20070507100818.GA9664@localhost> Mail-Followup-To: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org References: <1178531657.3160.14.camel@tux.lib.cbs.dk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1178531657.3160.14.camel@tux.lib.cbs.dk> X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.20-15-generic i686 Reply-By: Thu May 10 19:59:53 EST 2007 X-Uptime: 19:59:53 up 3 days, 4:17, 5 users, load average: 0.24, 0.08, 0.06 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-BeenThere: mobile-devel-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Mobile Platform development and discussion