Re: [galtgendo o2 pl: Re: gtkmm and autoconf]

[Ruben Safir <ruben mrbrklyn com>]

On Sat, Oct 04, 2008 at 01:21:39AM +0200, Rafał Mużyło wrote:
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> From: Rafał Mużyło <galtgendo o2 pl>
> To: Nicola Fontana <ntd entidi it>
> Subject: Re: gtkmm and autoconf
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I didn't see the message your replying to.  Did it hit the list?

Ruben

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> On Sat, Oct 04, 2008 at 12:42:29AM +0200, Nicola Fontana wrote:
> > On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 19:18:11 +0200
> > Rafał Mużyło <galtgendo o2 pl> wrote:
> > 
> > > On Fri, Oct 03, 2008 at 01:44:54PM +0200, Nicola Fontana wrote:
> > > > On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 11:00:35 +0200
> > > > Murray Cumming <murrayc murrayc com> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > or this might be better:
> > > > > 
> > > > > AM_CPPFLAGS = $(MYAPP_CFLAGS)
> > > > > onwindow_LDADD = $(MYAPP_LIBS)
> > > > 
> > > > I don't know the technical difference (I always seen
> > > > preprocessing and compilation in the same step), but is not
> > > > AM_CXXFLAGS a better place for MYAPP_CFLAGS?
> > > >
> > > That's the whole point. Nearly all of 'pkg-config <package>
> > > --cflags' I've seen were actually CPPFLAGS. So, placing them in CPPFLAGS
> > > is more correct (if i.e. somebody wanted to separate preprocessing and
> > > compilation). It's just like LDADD/LIBADD and LDFLAGS,
> > > if the user adds -Wl,--as-needed to $LDFLAGS, things tend to break
> > > if upstream put libs in LDFLAGS instead of LIBS.
> > 
> > maybe this is the common approach in C++ (for some unknown
> > reason), but in C I'm seeing the reverse. Two notable examples
> > are the Gtk+ itsself, that set the global CFLAGS in configure,
> > and cairo, that use library specific CFLAGS. I always used
> > AM_CFLAGS without problems.
> >
> I'm not saying that there are problems, it's just that i.e.
> `pkg-config gtk+-2.0 --cflags` returns:
> -D_REENTRANT -I/usr/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/include
> -I/usr/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/include/cairo -I/usr/include/pango-1.0
> -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include
> -I/usr/include/pixman-1 -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/directfb
> -I/usr/include/libpng12
> 
> All of those are preprocessor flags.
> 
> > Regardling LDADD/LIBADD and LDFLAGS the distinction between the
> > two are quite clear: -l -L go into the former, the rest in the
> > latter, always. Anyway, I can understand there could be corner
> > cases when you would add libraries to LDFLAGS, and maybe you hit
> > one of them.
> > 
> Those aren't exactly corner cases, I've seen many packages abusing
> LDFLAGS in this way (meaning - adding libs to it), among other 
> this causes AC_CHECK_LIB to fail when -Wl,--as-needed is in LDFLAGS.
> (just make note that LDFLAGS may be both env var and automake var
> and depending on context I'm refering to both those meanings).
> 
> > I'm talking from the C world: I wonder if the C++ world is so
> > different but all can be possible.
> >
> OK, I've got no idea where is this coming from (especially
> C++ part).
> 
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