Good point, it /is/ only two clicks to launch an app from the menu, even if it's sub-categorized. I don't really think it can be denied that launching apps, just like switching between them, is <i>currently</i> slower and more complicated in shell than it is with a panel/dock. The question is, how can that be improved?<br> <br><div class="gmail_quote">2009/12/18 Ryan Peters <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sloshy45@sbcglobal.net">sloshy45@sbcglobal.net</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff"><div><div></div><div class="h5"> On 12/18/2009 04:56 PM, Samuel Arthur Wright Illingworth wrote: <blockquote type="cite">Reducing the number of key clicks isn't a gain if it means you have a much bigger list to look through. You can't measure usability purely in number of clicks, or having the categorized menu would never have been an improvement in the first place.<br> <br> <div class="gmail_quote">2009/12/18 Sriram Ramkrishna <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sri@ramkrishna.me" target="_blank">sri@ramkrishna.me</a>></span><br> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex"><br> <br> <div class="gmail_quote"> <div>2009/12/18 Mark Curtis <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:merkinman@hotmail.com" target="_blank">merkinman@hotmail.com</a>></span><br> </div> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex"> <div>Well perhaps it would be best to tackle the individual issues... <div><br> <br> I've linked to previous threads on my main issue with GNOME Shell <div><br> <a href="http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-shell-list/2009-December/msg00052.html" target="_blank">http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-shell-list/2009-December/msg00052.html</a><br> <br> </div> Danté Ashton who started this particular discussion has an issue with:<br> "...the user, [having] to perform three extra clicks just to do what it takes me one to do now?"<br> <br> Денис Черемисов was less descriptive in their issue(s) though.<br> <br> </div> </div> </blockquote> <div><br> Precisely why I took him to task. Back on topic:<br> <br> In the old method, it would take me 3 clicks to launch an application:<br> Applications->section->App<br> <br> so that is three clicks.<br> <br> In gnome-shell method, we have:<br> <br> * 1 click for common used apps<br> * 2 clicks for any other apps<br> <br> I don't consider going to the overview mode as a click. But if you did, it would still be 2 or 3 clicks which is equivalent to the old method.<br> <br> Initially there was categories for the apps, but was changed to a flat scheme which reduced the number of key clicks.<br> <br> sri <br> </div> </div> <br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> gnome-shell-list mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:gnome-shell-list@gnome.org" target="_blank">gnome-shell-list@gnome.org</a><br> <a href="http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list" target="_blank">http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list</a><br> <br> </blockquote> </div> <br> <pre><fieldset></fieldset> _______________________________________________ gnome-shell-list mailing list <a href="mailto:gnome-shell-list@gnome.org" target="_blank">gnome-shell-list@gnome.org</a> <a href="http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list" target="_blank">http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list</a> </pre> </blockquote></div></div> That doesn't mean that more clicks means it's more usable, though. In Gnome-Shell, if I want to launch an application that isn't on my recently opened applications list, I have a lot more clicks than before.<br> <br> 1. Open Activities (arguably this can be triggered without a click, though)<br> 2. Click "Browse" on the Applications section.<br> 3. Click on the category I want.<br> 4. Sift through a page or two (why the pages!?) to find the application I'm looking for.<br> <br> This is not intuitive, takes forever (especially considering the <i>speed</i> it opens the menus), and is at least twice as confusing as the method present in the current Gnome stable release.<br> <br> Also, I only have two clicks to open an application as I am now.<br> <br> 1. Open the applications menu.<br> 2. Highlight the mouse over a menu and when it pops up (you don't need to click it, just like in Windows), click the app you want to open.<br> <br> There are lots of users that can make use of workspaces, but you shouldn't force them to use them.<br> </div> <br>_______________________________________________<br> gnome-shell-list mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:gnome-shell-list@gnome.org">gnome-shell-list@gnome.org</a><br> <a href="http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list" target="_blank">http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list</a><br> <br></blockquote></div><br>