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From: Sander Deryckere <sanderd17@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 22:43:27 +0200
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Subject: [gnome-nl] Vertaling van LaTeXila
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Aangezien LaTeXila nog geen Nederlandstalige interface had, heb ik die even
vertaald.

Blijkbaar moet ik via deze weg gaan om die vertaling in het project te
krijgen. Bij deze stuur ik dus een mail, met als bijlage het PO bestand.

Als iemand zo vriendelijk zou willen zijn om dat bestand even na te kijken
en in de centrale branch te krijgen?

http://l10n.gnome.org/module/latexila/

Mvg,
Sander

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Aangezien LaTeXila nog geen Nederlandstalige interface had, heb ik die even vertaald.<br><br>Blijkbaar moet ik via deze weg gaan om die vertaling in het project te krijgen. Bij deze stuur ik dus een mail, met als bijlage het PO bestand.<br>

<br>Als iemand zo vriendelijk zou willen zijn om dat bestand even na te kijken en in de centrale branch te krijgen?<br><br><a href="http://l10n.gnome.org/module/latexila/">http://l10n.gnome.org/module/latexila/</a><br><br>

Mvg,<br>Sander<br><br><br>

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Beste Sander,

Sander Deryckere schreef op 01.05.2012 22:43:
> Aangezien LaTeXila nog geen Nederlandstalige interface had, heb ik 
> die
> even vertaald.
>
> Blijkbaar moet ik via deze weg gaan om die vertaling in het project 
> te
> krijgen. Bij deze stuur ik dus een mail, met als bijlage het PO
> bestand.
>
> Als iemand zo vriendelijk zou willen zijn om dat bestand even na te
> kijken en in de centrale branch te krijgen?
>
> http://l10n.gnome.org/module/latexila/ [1]

Dankjewel voor je bijdrage!

Kun je een account aanmaken op Damned Lies (l10n.gnome.org) en je 
vertaling uploaden naar 
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/latexila/master/po/nl ? Dat is een 
nettere procedure i.v.m. het nakijken dan het po-bestand naar deze lijst 
sturen.

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Hello,

The new state of gnome-control-center - master - po (Nederlands) is now 'Ge=
commit'.
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-control-center/master/po/nl

Nagekeken en gecommit. Bedankt!

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Hello,

The new state of gtk+ - master - po-properties (Nederlands) is now 'Gecommi=
t'.
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gtk+/master/po-properties/nl

Waarschijnlijk had ik inderdaad de diff verkeerd om gelezen.
Ik heb de laatste ontbrekende berichten aangevuld en het geheel gecommit in=
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Hello,

The new state of gtk+ - gtk-3-0 - po-properties (Nederlands) is now 'Gecomm=
it'.
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gtk+/gtk-3-0/po-properties/nl

En de gtk-3-0 branch ook gecommit.
Rachid, vergeet niet jezelf als vertaler te vermelden in het commentaar / l=
ast-translator veld van het po-bestand dat je bewerkt hebt.

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Hello,

The new state of gtk+ - gtk-3-4 - po-properties (Nederlands) is now 'Gecomm=
it'.
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gtk+/gtk-3-4/po-properties/nl

Foutje, ik had natuurlijk de gtk-3-4 branch moeten committen in plaats van =
gtk-3-0. Bij deze alsnog.

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Hello,

A new comment has been posted on gnome-online-accounts - master - po (Neder=
lands).
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-online-accounts/master/po/nl

Probeer lijdende vorm te vermijden. I.p.v. "Het element data kon niet in de=
 JSON-gegevens gevonden worden" maak je ervan "Het element data ontbrak in =
de JSON-gegevens".
Gebruik =E2=80=98typografische aanhalingstekens=E2=80=99.


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Hello,

The new state of gnome-online-accounts - gnome-3-4 - po (Nederlands) is now=
 'Gecommit'.
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-online-accounts/gnome-3-4/po/nl

Gecommit, bedankt!

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Hello,

The new state of gnome-online-accounts - master - po (Nederlands) is now 'G=
ecommit'.
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Afgemaakt en gecommit.

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Hello,

The new state of gtksourceview - master - po (Nederlands) is now 'Aangebode=
n ter controle'.
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gtksourceview/master/po/nl

Hoi Rachid,

Je vertaling ziet er over het algemeen goed uit. Goed werk voor zo'n vervel=
ende module vol technische termen. Ik heb nog wel een aantal opmerkingen. Z=
ou je die nog kunnen verwerken? Wat mij betreft kan het daarna gecommit wor=
den.

msgid "Optional Target"
msgstr "Optionele target"
=E2=86=92 Optioneel target

msgid "Regular Expression"
msgstr "Reguliere expressies"
=E2=86=92 enkelvoud

msgid "Null Value"
msgstr "Nulwaarde"
=E2=86=92 "Null-waarde" (of misschien "lege waarde"); nu lijkt het net het =
getal 0

msgid "Boolean"
msgstr "Boolese waarde"
=E2=86=92 Elders gebruik je "Booleaans" (beter!); hier ook graag

msgid "Bindings"
msgstr "Bindingen"
=E2=86=92 Koppelingen lijkt me beter

msgid "E-mail address"
msgstr "Email-adres"
=E2=86=92 E-mailadres

msgid "Defaults"
msgstr "Standaarden"
=E2=86=92 Standaardwaarden  (verwarring met "standards")

msgid "Removed line"
msgstr "Regel verwijderd"
=E2=86=92 Verwijderde regel   (geen ww. maar bijv. nw.; het gaat hier om re=
gels in diffs)

msgid "Frame Number"
msgstr "Framenummer"
=E2=86=92 Frame-nummer

msgid "Optimized Out"
msgstr "Optimized Out"
=E2=86=92 weggeoptimaliseerd kan denk ik ook wel

msgid "Incomplete Sequence"
msgstr "Incomplete sequence"
=E2=86=92 Onvolledige opeenvolging

msgid "OpenGL Shading Language"
msgstr "OpenGL Shading-taal"
=E2=86=92 gewoon onvertaald laten; ook wel GLSL namelijk

msgid "Enumerated list"
msgstr "Opsomming"
=E2=86=92 Genummerde lijst   (vgl. opsommingslijst)

msgid "Horizontal Rule"
msgstr "Horizontale liniaal"
=E2=86=92 Horizontale lijn

msgid "Blockquote Marker"
msgstr "Blockquote-markering"
=E2=86=92 Markering blokcitaat

msgid "Link Text"
msgstr "Link-tekst"
=E2=86=92 Linktekst

msgid "Module Handler"
msgstr "Module-hantering"
=E2=86=92 Onvertaald laten

msgid "Define"
msgstr "Definieren"
=E2=86=92 Defini=C3=ABren

msgid "Remember the last info window visibility state"
msgstr "Onthoud de zichtbaarheidsstaat van het laatste infovenster"
=E2=86=92 De zichtbaarheid van het laatste infovenster onthouden

msgid "Select first proposal when completion is shown"
msgstr "Selecteer het eerste voorstel wanneer aanvulling wordt getoond"
=E2=86=92 Eerste voorstel selecteren bij tonen aanvulling

msgid "Show provider headers when proposals from multiple providers are ava=
ilable"
msgstr "Toon providerheaders wanneer voorstellen van meerdere providers bes=
chikbaar zijn"
=E2=86=92 Providerheaders tonen bij voorstellen van meerdere providers

msgid "Show provider and proposal icons in the completion popup"
msgstr "Toon provider- en voorstelpictogrammen in het aanvullingsvenster"
=E2=86=92 Provider- en voorstelpictogrammen tonen in aanvullingsvenster

msgid "Number of proposal accelerators to show"
msgstr "Aantal voorgestelde sneltoetsen om te tonen"
=E2=86=92 Aantal getoonde voorgestelde sneltoetsen

msgid "Label to be shown for this item"
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=E2=86=92 Voor dit item getoonde label

msgid "Icon to be shown for this item"
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=E2=86=92 Voor dit item getoonde pictogram

msgid "Info to be shown for this item"
msgstr "Informatie dat voor dit item wordt getoond"
=E2=86=92 Voor dit item getoonde informatie

Dan nog een slotopmerking. Misschien kun je "keyword' beter onvertaald late=
n. Sleutelwoord klinkt nogal vreemd en doet mij eerder aan wachtwoorden en =
sleutels denken.


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Hello,

A new comment has been posted on gtksourceview - master - po (Nederlands).
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Hoi,

Het is inderdaad gebruikelijk niet alleen de =E2=80=98lege vakjes=E2=80=99 =
maar ook de bestaande vertalingen te bekijken, al is het maar om een gevoel=
 te krijgen van de (gedeeltelijke) huidige vertaling. Als je toch bezig ben=
t met een vertaling is dat vaak een goed moment om meteen even (al is het m=
aar vluchtig) de bestaande strings te herzien, en waar mogelijk, te verbete=
ren. Aan losse reviews komen we eigenlijk nooit toe.

Wat betreft je vraag over de keywords: beide is mogelijk. :) Misschien had =
ik destijds geen tijd voor een volledige review (heb ik nu ook niet gedaan =
namelijk) of ben ik inmiddels tot een nieuw inzicht gekomen. Wat vind je ze=
lf van mijn voorstel =E2=80=98keyword=E2=80=99 onvertaald te laten?

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Hello,

The new state of evolution - master - po (Nederlands) is now 'Gecommit'.
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/evolution/master/po/nl

De spellingscorrecties uit de genoemde bug heb ik doorgevoerd en gecommit i=
n master.

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Hallo,

Als lid van de vertalersploeg van Ubuntu-NL heb ik wat werk gedaan aan
enkele Gnome-pakketten die bij Ubuntu op Launchpad staan. Hebben
jullie eventueel belangstelling om mijn herzieningen (geheel of ten
dele) over te nemen?

Het gaat om de volgende pakketten:

1. nm-applet:
https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/network-manager-applet/+pots/nm-applet/nl/+translate?show=changed_in_ubuntu&batch=50

2. metacity:
https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/metacity/+pots/metacity/nl/+translate?start=0&batch=10&show=changed_in_ubuntu&field.alternative_language=&field.alternative_language-empty-marker=1&old_show=all

3. gnome-disk-utility:
https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/gnome-disk-utility/+pots/gnome-disk-utility/nl/+translate?start=0&batch=10&show=changed_in_ubuntu&field.alternative_language=&field.alternative_language-empty-marker=1&old_show=all

4. gnome-terminal:
https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/gnome-terminal/+pots/gnome-terminal/nl/+translate?start=0&batch=10&show=changed_in_ubuntu&field.alternative_language=&field.alternative_language-empty-marker=1&old_show=all

5. seahorse:
https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/seahorse/+pots/seahorse/nl/+translate?start=0&batch=10&show=changed_in_ubuntu&field.alternative_language=&field.alternative_language-empty-marker=1&old_show=all

6. aisleriot:
https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/aisleriot/+pots/aisleriot/nl/+translate?start=0&batch=10&show=changed_in_ubuntu&field.alternative_language=&field.alternative_language-empty-marker=1&old_show=all

Met vriendelijke groet, Pjotr.
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Hello,

The new state of gtksourceview - master - po (Nederlands) is now 'Vertaald'.
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gtksourceview/master/po/nl

Verder ben ik er nu helemaal door gelopen en nog wat dingen aangepast. Omda=
t dit al zo technische is, zou ik zelf veel dingen niet meer begrijpen als =
je ze vertaalt. String is vertaald naar tekenreeks bijv...

msgid "Include Statement"
msgstr "Invoeg expresse"
=E2=86=92 msgstr "Include statement"
Include moet je m.i. niet vertalen. De vertaling van Statement kan opzich n=
og wel, maar zou ik liever ook onvertaald laten.

Verder heb ik de vertaling van 'highlight' consequent gemaakt. =


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Hello,

The new state of aisleriot - master - po (Nederlands) is now 'Vertaald'.
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/aisleriot/master/po/nl

 - Overgenomen vanuit Launchpad (daar was al meer vertaald dan hier)
 - Overgebleven strings vertaald.
 - Verder bestaande vertalingen vluchtig nagelopen

Rachid =

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Pjotr Kan schreef op ma 07-05-2012 om 10:39 [+0200]:
> Als lid van de vertalersploeg van Ubuntu-NL heb ik wat werk gedaan aan
> enkele Gnome-pakketten die bij Ubuntu op Launchpad staan. Hebben
> jullie eventueel belangstelling om mijn herzieningen (geheel of ten
> dele) over te nemen?

Jazeker, daar hebben wij interesse in! Normaal gesproken loopt dit via
Hannie. Kun je het met haar afstemmen en het op l10n.gnome.org terecht
laten komen (bij voorkeur na review door Hannie)?

    =E2=80=94 Wouter

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Hello,

The new state of gtksourceview - master - po (Nederlands) is now 'Gecommit'.
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gtksourceview/master/po/nl

 Author: Rachid BM <rachidbm@ubuntu.com>
 1 file changed, 3130 insertions(+), 2834 deletions(-)
 rewrite po/nl.po (67%)


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Hello,

A new comment has been posted on PolicyKit-gnome - master - po (Nederlands).
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/PolicyKit-gnome/master/po/nl

Eerste keer dat ik voor gnome vertaal. Ik hoop dat ik geen vertaal en/of pr=
ocedurefouten gemaakt heb.

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Hello,

A new comment has been posted on PolicyKit-gnome - master - po (Nederlands).
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/PolicyKit-gnome/master/po/nl

Bedankt voor je bijdrage!

Enkele verbeterpunten:

- =E2=80=99Authenticeer=E2=80=99 moet =E2=80=98Authenticeren=E2=80=99 worde=
n. Gebruik de infinitief waar mogelijk, tenzij de gebruiker een opdracht kr=
ijgt.
- Gebruik het ellipsis-teken =E2=80=A6 in plaats van drie losse puntjes.
- De algemene vertaling van =E2=80=98application=E2=80=99 is =E2=80=98toepa=
ssing=E2=80=99.
- De juiste vertaling van =E2=80=98Password=E2=80=99 is =E2=80=98Wachtwoord=
=E2=80=99, niet =E2=80=98Paswoord=E2=80=99.
- %s wordt altijd gesubstitueerd door een bepaalde tekenreeks. =E2=80=98Kli=
k om te bewerken %s=E2=80=99 moet dus zijn: =E2=80=98Klik om %s te bewerken=
=E2=80=99. Idem voor openen.
- Samengestelde woorden worden in het Nederlands aan elkaar geschreven. Het=
 is dus =E2=80=98authenticatiefout=E2=80=99 en =E2=80=98authenticatiedialoo=
gvenster=E2=80=99. Als je dat laatste iets te lang vindt kun je ook =E2=80=
=98dialoogvenster authenticatie=E2=80=99 gebruiken.

Tip: de vertalingen-editor Virtaal bevat een vertaalgeheugen dat je uit de =
bestaande vertalingen op je computer alsmede uit online bronnen suggesties =
kan geven.

Zou je een verbeterde versie willen opsturen?

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Hello,

The new state of epiphany - master - po (Nederlands) is now 'Vertaald'.
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/epiphany/master/po/nl

Namen van 'opties' bewust onvertaald. Zie bijv. deze string: "Waar cookies =
van geaccepteerd worden. Mogelijke waardes zijn =E2=80=98anywhere=E2=80=99 =
(overal), =E2=80=98current site=E2=80=99 (huidige website) en =E2=80=98nowh=
ere=E2=80=99 (nergens)."

Ik denk omdat deze instelopties zijn die niet te vertalen zijn namelijk. Da=
arom heb ik er een Nederlandse toelichting tussen haakjes achter gezet.

Rachid =

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Hello,

A new comment has been posted on PolicyKit-gnome - master - po (Nederlands).
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Er zijn meerdere manieren die werken. E=C3=A9n is gebruik maken van Tekens =
en symbolen (gnome-character-map). Zoek naar 'ellipsis' en kopi=C3=ABer+pla=
k het teken met de drie puntjes. De unicode-index, in dit geval U+2026, sta=
at linksonder, dat betekent dat je dan ook Ctrl+Shift+U+2026 kunt invoeren =
om dat teken te krijgen.
Een andere optie die ikzelf gebruik is het instellen van een internationale=
 toetsenbordindeling.
Ga naar Systeeminstellingen > Regio en taal > Indelingen en voeg de indelin=
g Engels (internationaal AltGr dode toetsen) toe en zet hem bovenaan eventu=
ele andere indelingen. Vervolgens onder Opties kies je welke toets de Samen=
steltoets (compose key) wordt. Ik gebruik de Menu-toets daarvoor.
Vervolgens kun je tekens "samenstellen" door Menu gevolgd door twee andere =
toetsen. Ellipsis is Compose + .. (twee puntjes). Een gedachtenstreepje (=
=E2=80=94) is Compose + ---. =E2=80=98Typografische aanhalingtekens=E2=80=
=99 typ je met rechter-Alt+9 en 0. Speel hier gerust even mee, er is veel m=
ogelijk!

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Hello,

The new state of PolicyKit-gnome - master - po (Nederlands) is now 'Gecommi=
t'.
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/PolicyKit-gnome/master/po/nl

Bedankt, hij zit erin!
http://git.gnome.org/browse/PolicyKit-gnome/commit/?id=3D37901f2074fac5c10a=
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Hello,

The new state of epiphany - master - po (Nederlands) is now 'Klaar voor com=
mitten'.
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/epiphany/master/po/nl

'Force' kun je mooier vertalen als 'afdwingen'. =

Verder is het pop-up en plug-in, met streepje.
Dat je de namen van die schema-opties onvertaald hebt gelaten is inderdaad =
de juiste manier. Let wel op je d's en t's: 'Bepaal*t* of de tabbladenbalk =
getoond wordt'

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Hello,

A new comment has been posted on libgdata - master - po (Nederlands).
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/libgdata/master/po/nl

Eerste poging, gaarne commentaar.

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Hello,

The new state of gtk+ - master - po (Nederlands) is now 'Vertaald'.
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gtk+/master/po/nl

Bij de kleuren twijfelde ik soms om spaties te gebruiken. =


"lichtgrijs" vs. "erg licht grijs" etc

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The new state of gnome-screenshot - master - po (Nederlands) is now 'Gecomm=
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Bedankt, zowel naar gnome-3-4 als master gecommit.

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Hello,

The new state of libgdata - master - po (Nederlands) is now 'Vertaald'.
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Herziene versie (vluchtig aantal aanpassingen gedaan)

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Hello,

The new state of libgdata - master - po (Nederlands) is now 'Gecommit'.
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Gecommit:

commit 28ec244a551e1cba09fdcb63cc5f38eba977633e
Author: Wouter Bolsterlee <wbolster@gnome.org>
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    Updated Dutch translation

commit 72b2d5e3aafc8d3b835ffb96cfbccf5486916e65
Author: Willem Heppe <heppew@yahoo.com>
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    Initial Dutch translation


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Hi Shaun,

Thanks for the heads up, and thanks for fixing it.

    =E2=80=94 Wouter



Shaun McCance schreef op ma 14-05-2012 om 09:18 [-0400]:
> Hi Dutch translators,
>=20
> I've just checked all the translations in yelp-xsl and found an
> error in the Dutch translation.
>=20
> msgid "yelp-quote-201C.png"
> msgstr "watermark-blockquote-201C.png"
>=20
> The translation must be yelp-quote-XXXX.png, where XXXX is one of
> 201C, 201D, 201E, 00AB, or 00BB. This is probably left over from
> the original gnome-doc-utils translation, but the format has to
> be changed for yelp-xsl.
>=20
> I've already pushed a fix for this to git master. You don't have
> to do anything. I'm letting you know in case you have local copies
> of the translation you need to update.

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Hello,

The new state of gtk+ - master - po (Nederlands) is now 'Gecommit'.
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gtk+/master/po/nl

Gecommit, en nog enkele zeer kleine aanpassingen bovenop jouw vertaling doo=
rgevoerd.

commit b7cf588f6e4e5c3d25f941a649c9b6576fe35dbc
Author: Wouter Bolsterlee <wbolster@gnome.org>
Date:   Tue May 15 22:20:12 2012 +0200

    Updated Dutch translation

commit 1ecf1163a10d9512e7d39355f28b838adf28b5ee
Author: Rachid BM <rachidbm@ubuntu.com>
Date:   Tue May 15 22:18:56 2012 +0200

    Updated Dutch translation


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Goedenavond allen,

[Bcc van deze mail is gestuurd naar priv=C3=A9-adressen van diverse
betrokkenen. Ik vind het niet netjes deze ongevraagd op een mailing list
te publiceren.]

Recentelijk heb ik mail ontvangen van Leendert Visser over de slechte
staat van de vertaling van Gimp 2.8. (Zie bericht hieronder.) Ook een
andere gebruiker van dutchgimpers.nl heeft mij hierover al gemaild.

Na enig uitzoekwerk kan ik over de vertaling van Gimp 2.8 en de
vertaling die in Ubuntu terecht is gekomen melden dat deze inderdaad
behoorlijk achterloopt. Sterker nog, er is de laatste jaren nauwelijks
iets aan gedaan. De status van de vertaling (master branch) is op het
moment van schrijven:

  1638 vertaalde berichten, 1512 vage gelijkenissen, 166 onvertaalde berich=
ten.

Erg weinig dus. Wel heel veel fuzzies, en zo te zien een heleboel
gemakkelijke. Ik zal hier zo direct wat werk aan gaan verrichten. Voor
het overige werk kijk ik graag om mij heen naar andere vrijwilligers. :)

Enkele dagen geleden heb ik hierover contact gezocht met Hannie. Zij
zoekt uit wat er bij Ubuntu-NL gedaan wordt/is. Bij Gnome gebeurt voor
zover ik weet momenteel (nog) niets aan deze vertaling.

Ik hoor graag van jullie of, en zo ja hoe, jullie kunnen en willen
bijdragen aan deze vertaling.

    =E2=80=94 Wouter


Leendert Visser schreef op di 15-05-2012 om 20:13 [+0200]:
> Beste allemaal!
>=20
> Ik ben Leendert (beheerder van Dutchgimpers.nl).
>=20
> Bijna twee weken geleden heb ik al een mailtje gestuurd naar het gnome
> mailadres van wbolster, maar heb daar geen reactie op gehad.
> Ik weet niet of dat mailadres in gebruik is?
> Omdat het best een urgent probleem is, probeer ik nu even
> verschillende mailadressen (met excuses).
>=20
> Het probleem is als volgt (een heel topic hier ver:
> http://www.dutchgimpers.nl/index.php/topic,1761.msg14407.html ):
> Een heel groot gedeelte van de NL vertaling is niet terecht gekomen in
> GIMP 2.8.
> GIMP heeft heel veel NL gebruikers en alleen doordat zo'n 95% van de
> NL vertaling niet in GIMP 2.8 terecht gekomen is valt deze versie erg
> tegen (tutorials op dutchgimpers.nl zijn bijvoorbeeld zeer slecht te
> volgen met GIMP 2.8).
>=20
> Zie bijvoorbeeld dit PO bestand:
> http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gimp/gimp-2-8/po/nl
> Heel veel vertalingen zijn nu "Fuzzy" en dus niet meegenomen in de
> GIMP 2.8.0 release.
>=20
> Ik en een paar andere leden van dutchgimpers.nl zouden de GIMP 2.8
> vertaling zo snel mogelijk in orde willen maken (misschien voor de
> 2.8.1 release?).
> De vraag is dus: hoe kunnen wij bijdragen? En hoe kunnen onze
> bijdragen vervolgens zo snel mogelijk in de GIMP 2.8 branche terecht
> komen?
>=20
> Alvast bedankt voor jullie hulp!
>=20
> Groeten,
> Leendert


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Hello,

A new comment has been posted on latexila - master - po (Nederlands).
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/latexila/master/po/nl

Here is a new translation of LaTeXila

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Wouter Bolsterlee schreef op di 15-05-2012 om 23:02 [+0200]:
> Wel heel veel fuzzies, en zo te zien een heleboel
> gemakkelijke. Ik zal hier zo direct wat werk aan gaan verrichten.=20

Korte update: heel veel strings lijken van een msgctxt te zijn voorzien,
waar dat voorheen niet het geval was. Ik heb nu enkele honderden strings
herzien, en voor 90% bleek dit de enige wijziging die nodig was. Ik ga
nog even door met deze =E2=80=98quick win=E2=80=99 (ja, dat is Engels). :)

    =E2=80=94 Wouter

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Beste vertalers,

hierbij wil ik jullie mededelen dat ik ben begonnen aan de vertaling van
bovengenoemd pakket. Indien iemand betrokken bij fotografie, DTP of een
ander grafisch vakgebied de vertaling wil doornemen om terminologie te
controleren op juistheid, dan hoor ik dat graag.

Met vriendelijke groet,

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Wouter Bolsterlee schreef op di 15-05-2012 om 23:02 [+0200]:
>   1638 vertaalde berichten, 1512 vage gelijkenissen, 166 onvertaalde
> berichten.
>=20
> Erg weinig dus. Wel heel veel fuzzies, en zo te zien een heleboel
> gemakkelijke. Ik zal hier zo direct wat werk aan gaan verrichten.

Het gaat de goede kant op:

  http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gimp/master/po/nl

Op master heb ik nu:

  2313 vertaalde berichten, 860 vage gelijkenissen, 153 onvertaalde bericht=
en.

Op gimp-2-8:

  2299 vertaalde berichten, 833 vage gelijkenissen, 123 onvertaalde bericht=
en.

Ik zal hier binnenkort mee doorgaan.

    =E2=80=94 Wouter

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Op 15-05-12 23:42, Wouter Bolsterlee schreef:
> Wouter Bolsterlee schreef op di 15-05-2012 om 23:02 [+0200]:
>> Wel heel veel fuzzies, en zo te zien een heleboel
>> gemakkelijke. Ik zal hier zo direct wat werk aan gaan verrichten.
> Korte update: heel veel strings lijken van een msgctxt te zijn voorzien,
> waar dat voorheen niet het geval was. Ik heb nu enkele honderden strings
> herzien, en voor 90% bleek dit de enige wijziging die nodig was. Ik ga
> nog even door met deze 'quick win' (ja, dat is Engels). :)
>
>      --- Wouter
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Hi wouter,
In Ubuntu wordt Gimp versie 2.6 aangeboden, zowel in het softwarecentrum 
als in Synaptic pakketbeheer. Ook op Launchpad zie ik versie 2.6 staan: 
https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/gimp/+pots/gimp20/nl/+translate. 
Deze is 100% vertaald.
Versie 2.8 is net uit, deze is nog niet op LP ter vertaling aangeboden. 
Maar ik zie dat jij hier, 
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gimp/gimp-2-8/po/nl, eraan werkt.
Ik zou niet weten wanneer deze versie in het Ubuntu softwarecentrum en 
op LP aangeboden wordt, maar wat de vertaling betreft lijkt het mij de 
bedoeling dat deze op DL wordt voltooid. Zodra versie 2.8 op LP wordt 
gezet zal de vertaling meegenomen worden lijkt mij.
Wil je dat wij nog meehelpen deze versie op DL te voltooien?
Groeten,
Hannie

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      <pre wrap="">Wouter Bolsterlee schreef op di 15-05-2012 om 23:02 [+0200]:
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        <pre wrap="">Wel heel veel fuzzies, en zo te zien een heleboel
gemakkelijke. Ik zal hier zo direct wat werk aan gaan verrichten. 
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Korte update: heel veel strings lijken van een msgctxt te zijn voorzien,
waar dat voorheen niet het geval was. Ik heb nu enkele honderden strings
herzien, en voor 90% bleek dit de enige wijziging die nodig was. Ik ga
nog even door met deze &#8216;quick win&#8217; (ja, dat is Engels). :)

    &#8212; Wouter
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    Hi wouter,<br>
    In Ubuntu wordt Gimp versie 2.6 aangeboden, zowel in het
    softwarecentrum als in Synaptic pakketbeheer. Ook op Launchpad zie
    ik versie 2.6 staan:
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/gimp/+pots/gimp20/nl/+translate">https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/gimp/+pots/gimp20/nl/+translate</a>.
    Deze is 100% vertaald.<br>
    Versie 2.8 is net uit, deze is nog niet op LP ter vertaling
    aangeboden. Maar ik zie dat jij hier,
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gimp/gimp-2-8/po/nl">http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gimp/gimp-2-8/po/nl</a>, eraan werkt.<br>
    Ik zou niet weten wanneer deze versie in het Ubuntu softwarecentrum
    en op LP aangeboden wordt, maar wat de vertaling betreft lijkt het
    mij de bedoeling dat deze op DL wordt voltooid. Zodra versie 2.8 op
    LP wordt gezet zal de vertaling meegenomen worden lijkt mij.<br>
    Wil je dat wij nog meehelpen deze versie op DL te voltooien?<br>
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cumulus0007@gmail.com schreef op di 15-05-2012 om 23:48 [+0200]:
> hierbij wil ik jullie mededelen dat ik ben begonnen aan de vertaling
> van bovengenoemd pakket.

Hoi Sander,

Goed te horen. Zou je het pakket op http://l10n.gnome.org/ willen
reserveren?

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Hallo Wouter,

ik heb dit reeds gedaan. Ik verwacht dat het overmorgen af is.

Groet,

Sander

2012/5/17 Wouter Bolsterlee <wbolster@gnome.org>

> cumulus0007@gmail.com schreef op di 15-05-2012 om 23:48 [+0200]:
> > hierbij wil ik jullie mededelen dat ik ben begonnen aan de vertaling
> > van bovengenoemd pakket.
>
> Hoi Sander,
>
> Goed te horen. Zou je het pakket op http://l10n.gnome.org/ willen
> reserveren?
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Hallo Wouter,<div><br></div><div>ik heb dit reeds gedaan. Ik verwacht dat h=
et overmorgen af is.</div><div><br></div><div>Groet,</div><div><br></div><d=
iv>Sander<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2012/5/17 Wouter Bolsterlee <sp=
an dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wbolster@gnome.org" target=3D"_blank">=
wbolster@gnome.org</a>&gt;</span><br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><a href=3D"mailto:cumulus0007@gmail.com">cum=
ulus0007@gmail.com</a> schreef op di 15-05-2012 om 23:48 [+0200]:<br>
<div class=3D"im">&gt; hierbij wil ik jullie mededelen dat ik ben begonnen =
aan de vertaling<br>
&gt; van bovengenoemd pakket.<br>
<br>
</div>Hoi Sander,<br>
<br>
Goed te horen. Zou je het pakket op <a href=3D"http://l10n.gnome.org/" targ=
et=3D"_blank">http://l10n.gnome.org/</a> willen<br>
reserveren?<br>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
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Hello,

The new state of network-manager-applet - master - po (Nederlands) is now '=
Vertaald'.
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/network-manager-applet/master/po/nl

Ik heb dit overgenomen uit Launchpad en nog verder vertaald/verbeterd.

Bestaande vertalingen waren verbeterd en het is nu hier ook 100% vertaald.


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Hello,

The new state of metacity - master - po (Nederlands) is now 'Bezig met vert=
alen'.
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/metacity/master/po/nl

Op Launchpad zijn een aantal vertalingen herzien. Het klinkt misschien raar=
, maar zou je misschien eventjes een blik daarop kunnen werpen om te kijken=
 of jullie het in algemene zin eens zijn met de herziening. =

Bijv. display is nu vertaald naar beeldscherm. (was onvertaald)
window manager is nu vertaald naar vensterbeheerder. (was onvertaald)

Hier kun je makkelijk even tientallen strings bekijken:
https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/metacity/+pots/me=
tacity/nl/+translate?start=3D0&batch=3D10&show=3Dchanged_in_ubuntu&field.al=
ternative_language=3D&field.alternative_language-empty-marker=3D1&old_show=
=3Dall

Als jullie het in grote lijnen goed vinden zal ik het zelf nogmaals doorlop=
en en ook bijvoorbeeld de juiste aanhalingstekens gebruiken (ipv '). Als je=
 nu al opmerkingen hebt kan ik ze gelijk tijdens het doorlopen meenemen. =


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Hallo medevertalers,

Een kleine toelichting op mijn keuze voor "etiket" i.p.v. "label".

In de eerste plaats koos ik hiervoor, omdat etiket een reeds langer
bestaand Nederlands woord is. Het heeft simpelweg meer anci=EBnniteit.

Maar in de tweede plaats koos ik dit om een technische reden. In Gparted
heb ik label consequent vertaald met etiket, om verwarring te voorkomen
tussen "partitietabel" en "partitielabel". E=E9n lettertje verschil, met
dramatische gevolgen als je je vergist. Vergist als vertaler of vergist als
gebruiker. Massaal gegevensverlies kan het gevolg zijn....

"Partitietabel" en "partitie-etiket" haal je niet door elkaar, omdat die
twee termen teveel verschillen.

Die lijn heb ik doorgetrokken bij gnome-disk-utility.

Groet, Pjotr.


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>
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Hallo medevertalers,<br><br>Een kleine toelichting op mijn keuze voor &quot=
;etiket&quot; i.p.v. &quot;label&quot;.<br><br>In de eerste plaats koos ik =
hiervoor, omdat etiket een reeds langer bestaand Nederlands woord is. Het h=
eeft simpelweg meer anci=EBnniteit.<br>
<br>Maar in de tweede plaats koos ik dit om een technische reden. In Gparte=
d heb ik label consequent vertaald met etiket, om verwarring te voorkomen t=
ussen &quot;partitietabel&quot; en &quot;partitielabel&quot;. E=E9n lettert=
je verschil, met dramatische gevolgen als je je vergist. Vergist als vertal=
er of vergist als gebruiker. Massaal gegevensverlies kan het gevolg zijn...=
.<br>
<br>&quot;Partitietabel&quot; en &quot;partitie-etiket&quot; haal je niet d=
oor elkaar, omdat die twee termen teveel verschillen.<br><br>Die lijn heb i=
k doorgetrokken bij gnome-disk-utility.<br><br>Groet, Pjotr.<br><br><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">Op 19 mei 2012 19:16 schreef  <span dir=3D"ltr">=
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<br>
A new comment has been posted on gnome-disk-utility - gnome-3-2 - po (Neder=
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Verbeterd door Pjotr in Launchpad...<br>
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Hello,

The new state of network-manager-applet - master - po (Nederlands) is now '=
Bezig met proeflezen'.
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/network-manager-applet/master/po/nl

Alvast een opmerking: zou je het language-team veld onveranderd willen late=
n, als het kan?


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Hello,

The new state of network-manager-applet - master - po (Nederlands) is now '=
Aangeboden ter controle'.
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/network-manager-applet/master/po/nl

Rachid,

Kun je de volgende punten nog oplossen of verduidelijken:

Vermijd afkortingen als a.u.b.. Schrijf voluit =E2=80=98alstublieft=E2=80=
=99 of laat het gewoon helemaal weg.
Ook hebben we in het verleden wel eens afgesproken om 'aan het' en =E2=80=
=98bezig met=E2=80=99-constructies te vermijden omdat we dat niet mooi vond=
en, als ik het me goed herinner. Daar kunnen we het best opnieuw over hebbe=
n als jij goede argumenten hebt om het wel te gebruiken. (?)
Idem voor het vervangen van =E2=80=98Aanmeldingscontrole=E2=80=99 door =E2=
=80=98gebruikersauthenticatie=E2=80=99, en =E2=80=98Beveiliging=E2=80=99 do=
or =E2=80=98veiligheid=E2=80=99. =E2=80=98Gebruikersinterface=E2=80=99 verv=
angen door =E2=80=98Gebruikersschil=E2=80=99 (op sommige plekken) daar zie =
ik het voordeel niet zo van in.
Verder liever geen sneltoetsen voor smalle letters zoals de i in p_incode, =
SS_ID, of l in gek_loond, dit omdat de onderstreping van de sneltoets daard=
oor nauwelijks zichtbaar is. Het is een misverstand dat de sneltoets per se=
 zo dicht mogelijk bij het Engelse origineel moet zitten.
=E2=80=98Editor=E2=80=99 liefst onvertaald laten. =E2=80=98Bewerker=E2=80=
=99 doet toch meer aan een ambachtelijke houtbewerker denken.
Pluspunten voor het wegwerken van een paar lijdende vormen!
Je hebt gelijk dat het Systeem > Voorkeuren-menu niet meer bestaat, maar al=
s je dat soort fouten in de vertaling verbetert, mocht je dat nog niet geda=
an hebben, denk er dan aan een bug te melden in Gnome bugzilla!
Ik zie dat je overal waar =E2=80=98roaming=E2=80=99 voorkomt je een aanvull=
ing =E2=80=98oftewel gastgebruik=E2=80=99 hebt geschreven. Op zich niks mis=
 met uitleg van de term, maar het gebeurt ook in een aantal menu-items. Heb=
 je getest of de vertaalde berichten wel volledig zichtbaar zijn in het uit=
eindelijk vertaalde programma?

Bedankt!


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noreply@gnome.org schreef op za 19-05-2012 om 15:03 [+0000]:
> window manager is nu vertaald naar vensterbeheerder. (was onvertaald)

Vensterbeheerder moet vensterbeheer zijn (vgl. bestandsbeheer). Als
display overeenkomt met scherm, dan is de vertaling wat mij betreft
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Wouter Bolsterlee schreef op za 26-05-2012 om 23:54 [+0200]:
> noreply@gnome.org schreef op za 19-05-2012 om 15:03 [+0000]:
> > window manager is nu vertaald naar vensterbeheerder. (was onvertaald)
>=20
> Vensterbeheerder moet vensterbeheer zijn (vgl. bestandsbeheer). Als
> display overeenkomt met scherm, dan is de vertaling wat mij betreft
> prima.

Hmm. In mijn herinnering hadden we 'window manager' expres onvertaald
gelaten omdat het een soort jargon is, d.w.z. als je begrijpt wat een
window manager doet, dan heb je geen vertaling meer nodig, en als je het
niet begrijpt dan maakt =E2=80=98vensterbeheer=E2=80=99 het niet veel dui=
delijker.

Maargoed, metacity is toch een module waar ik niet te veel moeite meer
voor zou doen aangezien volgens mij alleen mutter nu nog wordt
doorontwikkeld.

groeten,

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Hello,

The new state of gnome-disk-utility - gnome-3-2 - po (Nederlands) is now 'B=
ezig met vertalen'.
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gnome-disk-utility/gnome-3-2/po/nl

> [..] Label te vertalen naar etiket ipv gewoon label?

Slecht idee, vind ik. Het schept alleen maar onduidelijkheid. Een etiket is=
 een stuk papier dat op een fles wijn zit geplakt. :)

Bovendien staat =E2=80=98label=E2=80=99 gewoon in het groene boekje: http:/=
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noreply@gnome.org schreef op za 19-05-2012 om 23:03 [+0000]:
> Verder liever geen sneltoetsen voor smalle letters zoals de i in
> p_incode, SS_ID, of l in gek_loond, dit omdat de onderstreping van de
> sneltoets daardoor nauwelijks zichtbaar is. Het is een misverstand dat
> de sneltoets per se zo dicht mogelijk bij het Engelse origineel moet
> zitten.

Deze beperking is niet langer nodig, want Gtk+/Pango zorgt er al geruime
tijd voor dat het streepje (underline) altijd tenminste 3 pixels (geloof
ik) breed is. Het is dus geen probleem om de =E2=80=98i=E2=80=99 of =E2=80=
=98l=E2=80=99 te onderstrepen
in een vertaling. Een voorbeeld hiervan is het menu =E2=80=98_Invoegen=E2=
=80=99 in het
berichtenvenster van Evolution 3.4 (en misschien eerdere versies).

    =E2=80=94 Wouter

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Pjotr Vertaalt schreef op za 19-05-2012 om 20:03 [+0200]:
> Een kleine toelichting op mijn keuze voor "etiket" i.p.v. "label".
>=20
> In de eerste plaats koos ik hiervoor, omdat etiket een reeds langer
> bestaand Nederlands woord is. Het heeft simpelweg meer anci=C3=ABnniteit.

Dat is geen criterium. We streven naar zo duidelijk mogelijke
vertalingen met zo min mogelijk verrassingen.

(Daarnaast twijfel ik aan de juistheid van het gebruik van het woord
anci=C3=ABnniteit in deze context.)

> Maar in de tweede plaats koos ik dit om een technische reden. In
> Gparted heb ik label consequent vertaald met etiket, om verwarring te
> voorkomen tussen "partitietabel" en "partitielabel". E=C3=A9n lettertje
> verschil, met dramatische gevolgen als je je vergist. Vergist als
> vertaler of vergist als gebruiker. Massaal gegevensverlies kan het
> gevolg zijn....

Goed punt. =E2=80=98Partitietabel wissen=E2=80=99 is inderdaad veel gevaarl=
ijker dan dan
=E2=80=98partitielabel wissen=E2=80=99. Maar ook in dit geval zijn andere o=
pties
voorhanden, bijvoorbeeld iets met =E2=80=98naam=E2=80=99, zoals partitienaa=
m of naam van
partitie.

    =E2=80=94 Wouter

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Wouter Bolsterlee schreef op wo 16-05-2012 om 00:43 [+0200]:
> Wouter Bolsterlee schreef op di 15-05-2012 om 23:02 [+0200]:
> >   1638 vertaalde berichten, 1512 vage gelijkenissen, 166 onvertaalde
> > berichten.
> Op gimp-2-8:
>   2299 vertaalde berichten, 833 vage gelijkenissen, 123 onvertaalde beric=
hten.
> Ik zal hier binnenkort mee doorgaan.

Zoals toegezegd heb ik hier tijd aan besteed.
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/gimp/gimp-2-8/po/nl meldt momenteel:

  92% 2999 / 168 / 88

Kortom, het meeste werk zit erop. :)

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Rachid schreef op za 19-05-2012 om 15:03 [+0000]:
> Op Launchpad zijn een aantal vertalingen herzien. Het klinkt misschien ra=
ar, maar zou je misschien eventjes een blik daarop kunnen werpen om te kijk=
en of jullie het in algemene zin eens zijn met de herziening.=20
> Bijv. display is nu vertaald naar beeldscherm. (was onvertaald)
> window manager is nu vertaald naar vensterbeheerder. (was onvertaald)
>=20
> Hier kun je makkelijk even tientallen strings bekijken:
> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+source/metacity/+pots/=
metacity/nl/+translate?start=3D0&batch=3D10&show=3Dchanged_in_ubuntu&field.=
alternative_language=3D&field.alternative_language-empty-marker=3D1&old_sho=
w=3Dall
>=20
> Als jullie het in grote lijnen goed vinden zal ik het zelf nogmaals doorl=
open en ook bijvoorbeeld de juiste aanhalingstekens gebruiken (ipv '). Als =
je nu al opmerkingen hebt kan ik ze gelijk tijdens het doorlopen meenemen.=
=20

Goedenavond allen,

Ik heb hier nog eens wat beter naar gekeken. Ik moet eerlijk zeggen dat
ik niet echt gecharmeerd ben van de meeste wijzigingen. Ze voegen weinig
toe of zijn naar mijn mening ronduit slechter dan het orgineel. Ik zal
enkele voorbeelden geven.

1. Waarom is dit:
   > Een ander programma gebruikt reeds de toets %s met controletoets %x al=
s toetscombinatie

   ...beter dan dit origineel?
   > Een ander programma gebruikt reeds de %s-toets met controletoets %x al=
s sneltoets

   Het gaat hier om toetsen als F1, Backspace, Delete, etc.

2. Waarom is:
   > Er is een fout opgetreden bij het uitvoeren van ...

   ...beter dan dit?
   > Er trad een fout op bij het uitvoeren ...

   Het laatste is mijn origineel. Zelfde betekenis, maar dan korter.

3. Dan nog een voorbeeld van een vertaling die ik er niet op vooruit vind g=
aan:
  =20
   > =E2=80=98%s=E2=80=99 in de configuratiegegevensbank is geen geldige wa=
arde voor sneltoetsbinding =E2=80=98%s=E2=80=99

   is een stuk minder duidelijk dan het orgineel:

   > =E2=80=98%s=E2=80=99 in de configuratiedatabase is geen geldige waarde=
 voor sneltoets =E2=80=98%s=E2=80=99

Kortom, ik ben geen voorstander van al deze tamelijk willekeurige
wijzigingen. Hannie, wat vind jij ervan?

    =E2=80=94 Wouter


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Hello,

A new comment has been posted on metacity - master - po (Nederlands).
http://l10n.gnome.org/vertimus/metacity/master/po/nl

(Zie de discussie op de gnome-nl-lijst. Ik ben niet enthousiast over de mee=
ste wijzigingen.)

Wouter Bolsterlee
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Wouter Bolsterlee schreef op 29.05.2012 20:54:

> Deze beperking is niet langer nodig, want Gtk+/Pango zorgt er al=20
> geruime
> tijd voor dat het streepje (underline) altijd tenminste 3 pixels=20
> (geloof
> ik) breed is. Het is dus geen probleem om de =E2=80=98i=E2=80=99 of =E2=
=80=98l=E2=80=99 te=20
> onderstrepen
> in een vertaling. Een voorbeeld hiervan is het menu =E2=80=98_Invoegen=E2=
=80=99 in=20
> het
> berichtenvenster van Evolution 3.4 (en misschien eerdere versies).

Ah, dat is nieuw voor me. Bedankt voor de tip. Maar dat neemt niet weg=20
dat sneltoetsen niet zo dicht mogelijk bij het Engelse origineel hoeven=20
te zitten. Belangrijker is dat je conflicten vermijdt met andere=20
sneltoets-elementen in hetzelfde venster en zo consequent mogelijk bent=20
met de sneltoetsen in andere vertaalde toepassingen in Gnome.

--=20
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Reinout van Schouwen schreef op wo 30-05-2012 om 12:44 [+0200]:
> Maar dat neemt niet weg=20
> dat sneltoetsen niet zo dicht mogelijk bij het Engelse origineel
> hoeven=20
> te zitten. Belangrijker is dat je conflicten vermijdt met andere=20
> sneltoets-elementen in hetzelfde venster en zo consequent mogelijk
> bent=20
> met de sneltoetsen in andere vertaalde toepassingen in Gnome.=20

Een aanpak die ik zelf vaak gebruik is ongeveer de volgende:

      * Als de string uit een woord bestaat of als het belangrijkste
        woord vooraan de string staat, neem ik bij voorkeur de eerste
        letter van de string. Voorbeeld: "_Plakken"
      * Als de string een actie aanduidt (knop, menu-item, enz.), dan
        kies ik bij voorkeur voor het werkwoord. Bijvoorbeeld: "Tekst
        _plakken"
      * Ik gebruik bij voorkeur de eerste letter van de lettergreep met
        de klemtoon:
              *  Voor veel werkwoorden met voorvoegsels als
                "ver-" (ver_nieuwen), "be-" (be_schrijven) en
                "her-" (her_stellen) betekent dit dat de onderstreping
                niet aan het begin staat.
              * Voor werkwoorden met voorzettels als "op-" (_optellen),
                "in-" (_invullen) en "af" (_afsluiten) geldt dat juist
                wel.
      * Als er conflicten optreden, gebruik ik bij voorkeur de eerste
        letter van een lettergreep, en niet zomaar een andere letter.
        Voorbeeld: "Bestand terug_zetten" (als de "t" al in gebruik is)

Dit zijn geen harde regels, maar meer iets dat ik in mijn achterhoofd
houd bij het vertalen.

    =E2=80=94 Wouter

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Kunnen er in Gnome technisch gezien conflicten optreden? Ik ben van andere
omgevingen gewend dat wanneer er twee dezelfde letters onderstreept
zijn, er automatisch een andere letter als mnemonic wordt gekozen. Dit is
uiteraard minder netjes/handig. Maar geen echt confilct toch?

2012/5/30 Wouter Bolsterlee <wbolster@gnome.org>

> Reinout van Schouwen schreef op wo 30-05-2012 om 12:44 [+0200]:
> > Maar dat neemt niet weg
> > dat sneltoetsen niet zo dicht mogelijk bij het Engelse origineel
> > hoeven
> > te zitten. Belangrijker is dat je conflicten vermijdt met andere
> > sneltoets-elementen in hetzelfde venster en zo consequent mogelijk
> > bent
> > met de sneltoetsen in andere vertaalde toepassingen in Gnome.
>
> Een aanpak die ik zelf vaak gebruik is ongeveer de volgende:
>
>      * Als de string uit een woord bestaat of als het belangrijkste
>        woord vooraan de string staat, neem ik bij voorkeur de eerste
>        letter van de string. Voorbeeld: "_Plakken"
>      * Als de string een actie aanduidt (knop, menu-item, enz.), dan
>        kies ik bij voorkeur voor het werkwoord. Bijvoorbeeld: "Tekst
>        _plakken"
>      * Ik gebruik bij voorkeur de eerste letter van de lettergreep met
>        de klemtoon:
>              *  Voor veel werkwoorden met voorvoegsels als
>                "ver-" (ver_nieuwen), "be-" (be_schrijven) en
>                "her-" (her_stellen) betekent dit dat de onderstreping
>                niet aan het begin staat.
>              * Voor werkwoorden met voorzettels als "op-" (_optellen),
>                "in-" (_invullen) en "af" (_afsluiten) geldt dat juist
>                wel.
>      * Als er conflicten optreden, gebruik ik bij voorkeur de eerste
>        letter van een lettergreep, en niet zomaar een andere letter.
>        Voorbeeld: "Bestand terug_zetten" (als de "t" al in gebruik is)
>
> Dit zijn geen harde regels, maar meer iets dat ik in mijn achterhoofd
> houd bij het vertalen.
>
>    =97 Wouter
>
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Kunnen er in Gnome technisch gezien conflicten optreden? Ik ben van andere =
omgevingen gewend dat wanneer er twee dezelfde letters onderstreept zijn,=
=A0er automatisch een andere letter als=A0mnemonic wordt gekozen. Dit is ui=
teraard minder netjes/handig. Maar geen echt confilct toch?<div>

<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2012/5/30 Wouter Bolsterlee <span dir=3D"ltr=
">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wbolster@gnome.org" target=3D"_blank">wbolster@gnom=
e.org</a>&gt;</span><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
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Reinout van Schouwen schreef op wo 30-05-2012 om 12:44 [+0200]:<br>
<div class=3D"im">&gt; Maar dat neemt niet weg<br>
&gt; dat sneltoetsen niet zo dicht mogelijk bij het Engelse origineel<br>
&gt; hoeven<br>
&gt; te zitten. Belangrijker is dat je conflicten vermijdt met andere<br>
&gt; sneltoets-elementen in hetzelfde venster en zo consequent mogelijk<br>
&gt; bent<br>
&gt; met de sneltoetsen in andere vertaalde toepassingen in Gnome.<br>
<br>
</div>Een aanpak die ik zelf vaak gebruik is ongeveer de volgende:<br>
<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0* Als de string uit een woord bestaat of als het belangrijkste<=
br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0woord vooraan de string staat, neem ik bij voorkeur de eers=
te<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0letter van de string. Voorbeeld: &quot;_Plakken&quot;<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0* Als de string een actie aanduidt (knop, menu-item, enz.), dan=
<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0kies ik bij voorkeur voor het werkwoord. Bijvoorbeeld: &quo=
t;Tekst<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0_plakken&quot;<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0* Ik gebruik bij voorkeur de eerste letter van de lettergreep m=
et<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0de klemtoon:<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0* =A0Voor veel werkwoorden met voorvoegsels als=
<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0&quot;ver-&quot; (ver_nieuwen), &quot;be-&q=
uot; (be_schrijven) en<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0&quot;her-&quot; (her_stellen) betekent dit=
 dat de onderstreping<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0niet aan het begin staat.<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0* Voor werkwoorden met voorzettels als &quot;op=
-&quot; (_optellen),<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0&quot;in-&quot; (_invullen) en &quot;af&quo=
t; (_afsluiten) geldt dat juist<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0wel.<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0* Als er conflicten optreden, gebruik ik bij voorkeur de eerste=
<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0letter van een lettergreep, en niet zomaar een andere lette=
r.<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Voorbeeld: &quot;Bestand terug_zetten&quot; (als de &quot;t=
&quot; al in gebruik is)<br>
<br>
Dit zijn geen harde regels, maar meer iets dat ik in mijn achterhoofd<br>
houd bij het vertalen.<br>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
 =A0 =A0=97 Wouter<br>
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