From bartolome_34_680@hotmail.com Tue Nov 1 06:01:11 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09F70750122 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2011 06:01:11 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.201, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y6z-yeNEujLM for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2011 06:01:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from blu0-omc1-s26.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc1-s26.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.37]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A331A750111 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2011 06:01:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BLU157-W54 ([65.55.116.9]) by blu0-omc1-s26.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 31 Oct 2011 23:00:58 -0700 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_fc8027fa-f868-481e-a962-965a69b08c68_" X-Originating-IP: [84.146.221.222] From: bartolome moreno To: Subject: GObject Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 06:00:58 +0000 Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Nov 2011 06:00:58.0252 (UTC) FILETIME=[A01BBCC0:01CC985B] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 15:24:21 +0000 X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 06:01:11 -0000 --_fc8027fa-f868-481e-a962-965a69b08c68_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello=2C 1- I'm new in using (and trying to understand) the GObject. 2- I've basic questions: According to http://developer.gnome.org/gobject/stable/ch01s02.html Currently=2C there exist at least Python and Perl generic glue code which m= akes it possible to use C objects written with GType directly in Python or Perl=2C with a min= imum amount of work: there is no need to generate huge amounts of glue code either automatically= or by hand. - Can anybody please reference me to the documentation/samples=2C where I c= ould see how it is possible to use a C object from Perl context? - I think if I define my own object=2C derived from GObject=2C it is possib= le to use it from a Perl=2C right/not right?. If right=2C sample? 3- If this is not the right list for this kind of support ... sorry. And ca= n someone tell me whom should I send this kind of request? Thanks a lot in advance Bartolom=E9 = --_fc8027fa-f868-481e-a962-965a69b08c68_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello=2C

1- I'm new in using (and trying to understand) the GObject.=

2- I've basic questions:
According to
http://developer.gnome.= org/gobject/stable/ch01s02.html

Currently=2C there exist at least Py= thon and Perl generic glue code which makes it possible to use C objects written with GType directly in Python or Perl=2C with a min= imum amount of work: there is no need to generate huge amounts of glue code either automatically= or by hand.

- Can anybody please reference me to the documentation/samples=2C where= I could see how it is possible to use a C object from Perl context?
- I think if I define my own object=2C derived from GObject=2C it is possi= ble to use it from a Perl=2C right/not right?. If right=2C sample?

3= - If this is not the right list for this kind of support ... sorry. And can= someone tell me whom should I send this kind of request?

Thanks a l= ot in advance
Bartolom=E9

= --_fc8027fa-f868-481e-a962-965a69b08c68_-- From bartolome_34_680@hotmail.com Thu Nov 3 21:35:40 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBA91750100 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2011 21:35:39 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.201, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8O3LFpcOEGj8 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2011 21:35:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from blu0-omc1-s29.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc1-s29.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.116.40]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 988747500D7 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2011 21:35:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BLU157-W31 ([65.55.116.8]) by blu0-omc1-s29.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 3 Nov 2011 14:35:26 -0700 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_f2f0697d-fe9e-46ce-b5c8-c4087bef9836_" X-Originating-IP: [84.146.221.233] From: bartolome moreno To: Subject: FW: GObject Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 21:35:26 +0000 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Nov 2011 21:35:26.0880 (UTC) FILETIME=[8070EA00:01CC9A70] X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2011 21:35:40 -0000 --_f2f0697d-fe9e-46ce-b5c8-c4087bef9836_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: bartolome_34_680@hotmail.com To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: GObject Date: Tue=2C 1 Nov 2011 06:00:58 +0000 Hello=2C 1- I'm new in using (and trying to understand) the GObject. 2- I've basic questions: According to http://developer.gnome.org/gobject/stable/ch01s02.html Currently=2C there exist at least Python and Perl generic glue code which m= akes it possible to use C objects written with GType directly in Python or Perl=2C with a min= imum amount of work: there is no need to generate huge amounts of glue code either automatically= or by hand. - Can anybody please reference me to the documentation/samples=2C where I c= ould see how it is possible to use a C object from Perl context? - I think if I define my own object=2C derived from GObject=2C it is possib= le to use it from a Perl=2C right/not right?. If right=2C sample? 3- If this is not the right list for this kind of support ... sorry. And ca= n someone tell me whom should I send this kind of request? Thanks a lot in advance Bartolom=E9 = --_f2f0697d-fe9e-46ce-b5c8-c4087bef9836_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


From: bartolome_34_680@hotmail.com
= To: gnome-list@gnome.org
Subject: GObject
Date: Tue=2C 1 Nov 2011 06:= 00:58 +0000

Hello=2C

1- I'm new in using (and trying to understand) the GObject.=

2- I've basic questions:
According to
http://developer.gnome.= org/gobject/stable/ch01s02.html

Currently=2C there exist at least Py= thon and Perl generic glue code which makes it possible to use C objects written with GType directly in Python or Perl=2C with a min= imum amount of work: there is no need to generate huge amounts of glue code either automatically= or by hand.

- Can anybody please reference me to the documentation/samples=2C where= I could see how it is possible to use a C object from Perl context?
- I think if I define my own object=2C derived from GObject=2C it is possi= ble to use it from a Perl=2C right/not right?. If right=2C sample?

3= - If this is not the right list for this kind of support ... sorry. And can= someone tell me whom should I send this kind of request?

Thanks a l= ot in advance
Bartolom=E9

= --_f2f0697d-fe9e-46ce-b5c8-c4087bef9836_-- From jan.mussche@gmail.com Fri Nov 11 05:15:49 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A0417501C5 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 05:15:49 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qusBvvtBGBYV for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 05:15:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEDE6750140 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 05:15:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eyd10 with SMTP id 10so5161636eyd.27 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 21:15:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:disposition-notification-to:content-type:date :message-id:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=zTh1/4rE+jhIcHwjK+hwaC1M6zFKomvBcFD/6WKLSkU=; b=rZVQkyPXm8L53NzkJbPmGI8Z8nIWwkBC18a/XeEc7nKNDhho11fSkeDfLhW0nG3eow haJya3IUjhJfbM0t0OgXU4R0b3bVmIqIhFoldVTKWfKgErgBElef/3bWSdGQCgwrhq+E OvtmW99G6kyrdX/pxn020tJqiJDb3XkPQSulk= Received: by 10.213.14.135 with SMTP id g7mr866765eba.6.1320988536397; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 21:15:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.22] (5ED5F3A7.cm-7-6d.dynamic.ziggo.nl. [94.213.243.167]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 49sm28750291eec.1.2011.11.10.21.15.34 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 10 Nov 2011 21:15:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: One very unhappy Linux user From: Jan Mussche To: gnome-list@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-SUddrtBwaVP3b52w1v9O" Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 06:15:33 +0100 Message-ID: <1320988533.2805.11.camel@r-730-linux> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.2 X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 05:15:49 -0000 --=-SUddrtBwaVP3b52w1v9O Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I have joined this mailing list since I feel I have to get in close contact to the people who have taken away all the fun in computing. After having used Linux with great joy for several years, I am now very disappointed. The new Gnome 3, sorry for my language, stinks. How can somebody come up with the idea to turn a computer into a smartphone or tablet? What were you thinking? Gnome 2.32 was flexible, 3.x is not flexible at all. Are you sponsored by Microsoft because it sure looks like it, since Microsoft also tells us how to use a computer. We are stuck with a top panel nobody wants, because it is useless. We are stuck with a way of using the computer nobody wants since it is simply madness. Also you must have seen the many comments of different forums where people complain about the new Gnome and who are starting to use KDE, LXDE and/or XFCE. Is that what you want? Was that the plan, scaring away people? If so then why bother making a new Gnome, you could have better just stopped completely. Now Linux distributions are trying their best to make the interface look as much as possible to what it used to be but they are hindered by your way of presenting things, without any flexibility at all. If you want people to keep using Gnome you simply have to change back to what Gnome was. If not you will see a large decrease of people hanging on to it and I can not say it in a different way: this is what you deserve. One very unhappy Linux user. --=-SUddrtBwaVP3b52w1v9O Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello,

I have joined this mailing list since I feel I have to get in close contact to the people who have taken away all the fun in computing.
After having used Linux with great joy for several years, I am now very disappointed. The new Gnome 3, sorry for my language, stinks.
How can somebody come up with the idea to turn a computer into a smartphone or tablet? What were you thinking?
Gnome 2.32 was flexible, 3.x is not flexible at all. Are you sponsored by Microsoft because it sure looks like it, since Microsoft also tells us how to use a computer.

We are stuck with a top panel nobody wants, because it is useless.
We are stuck with a way of using the computer nobody wants since it is simply madness.

Also you must have seen the many comments of different forums where people complain about the new Gnome and who are starting to use KDE, LXDE and/or XFCE. Is that what you want? Was that the plan, scaring away people? If so then why bother making a new Gnome, you could have better just stopped completely.
Now Linux distributions are trying their best to make the interface look as much as possible to what it used to be but they are hindered by your way of presenting things, without any flexibility at all.

If you want people to keep using Gnome you simply have to change back to what Gnome was. If not you will see a large decrease of people hanging on to it and I can not say it in a different way: this is what you deserve.

One very unhappy Linux user.

--=-SUddrtBwaVP3b52w1v9O-- From daniel.a.moore@gmail.com Fri Nov 11 05:31:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CA95750140 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 05:31:14 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.218 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.218 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TDQC395t5po3 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 05:31:12 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 312 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at menubar.gnome.org; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 05:31:12 UTC Received: from ipmail06.adl2.internode.on.net (ipmail06.adl2.internode.on.net [150.101.137.129]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E3D97501C5 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 05:31:03 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBALuuvE520mrK/2dsb2JhbAAMOJpdh2kBilUJAQEBAQIBXB0FCwsDAQc7IzQGHId5pjuHfj2Id4kbYwSUKJII Received: from ppp118-210-106-202.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net (HELO [192.168.1.1]) ([118.210.106.202]) by ipmail06.adl2.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 11 Nov 2011 15:55:48 +1030 Subject: Re: One very unhappy Linux user Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_A6F71B9E-1EE5-4863-8603-947F0AE4E82E" From: Daniel Moore In-Reply-To: <1320988533.2805.11.camel@r-730-linux> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 15:55:47 +1030 Message-Id: <9D52B42A-3B75-4084-82F3-8EABB42D24C6@gmail.com> References: <1320988533.2805.11.camel@r-730-linux> To: Jan Mussche X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 05:31:14 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_A6F71B9E-1EE5-4863-8603-947F0AE4E82E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Have a look at GNUstep or Etoile if you want to join the grand UI = adventure! GNUstep is an open source implementation of the NeXTSTEP (now = known as Cocoa at Apple) desktop interface,Etoile is a desktop built on = GNUstep. Both projects need to pick up users and developers so go have a = look and get back into the adventure of computers! GNUStep: http://www.gnustep.org/ Etoile: http://etoileos.com/ On 11/11/2011, at 3:45 PM, Jan Mussche wrote: > at you want? Was that the plan, scaring away people? If so then why = bother making a new Gnome, you cou --Apple-Mail=_A6F71B9E-1EE5-4863-8603-947F0AE4E82E Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Have a look at GNUstep or Etoile if you want to join the grand UI adventure! GNUstep is an open source implementation of the NeXTSTEP (now known as Cocoa at Apple) desktop interface,Etoile is a desktop built on GNUstep. Both projects need to pick up users and developers so go have a look and get back into the adventure of computers!




On 11/11/2011, at 3:45 PM, Jan Mussche wrote:

at you want? Was that the plan, scaring away people? If so then why bother making a new Gnome, you cou

--Apple-Mail=_A6F71B9E-1EE5-4863-8603-947F0AE4E82E-- From lenzi.sergio@gmail.com Fri Nov 11 07:58:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87E08750107 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 07:58:13 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fUshUSQu+AVY for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 07:58:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E557750021 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 07:58:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yenl2 with SMTP id l2so2902371yen.27 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 23:57:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references :disposition-notification-to:content-type:date:message-id :mime-version:x-mailer; bh=3CkfGlI1mw+fmeP2zNy2qIxIojZVorqpP9XUV77k3UI=; b=egUf3R8owOm+hmj+Rx9br6rXZNib7VJ2gf9pKvIWEPVPyj3AdNivdl4qlUeErZd4y7 oLRzRQj64hIvOHKS05jEipPeUqdM5C7GPq1LYfYUv+cWwgB4yFpCeWOYSzdgqnLvXwlF pynglzwVEsHxLdhCpt0eNWXeQa5qOleoVKQ+c= Received: by 10.101.137.20 with SMTP id p20mr1379894ann.55.1320998279836; Thu, 10 Nov 2011 23:57:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.6.230] ([201.21.151.230]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t62sm10318071yht.0.2011.11.10.23.57.57 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 10 Nov 2011 23:57:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: One very unhappy Linux user From: Sergio de Almeida Lenzi To: Jan Mussche In-Reply-To: <1320988533.2805.11.camel@r-730-linux> References: <1320988533.2805.11.camel@r-730-linux> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-eCef25l+HyIbdzZwulYG" Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 05:57:55 -0200 Message-ID: <1320998275.21159.25.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 07:58:13 -0000 --=-eCef25l+HyIbdzZwulYG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Em Sex, 2011-11-11 às 06:15 +0100, Jan Mussche escreveu: > Hello, > > I have joined this mailing list since I feel I have to get in close > contact to the people who have taken away all the fun in computing. > After having used Linux with great joy for several years, I am now > very disappointed. The new Gnome 3, sorry for my language, stinks. > How can somebody come up with the idea to turn a computer into a > smartphone or tablet? What were you thinking? > Gnome 2.32 was flexible, 3.x is not flexible at all. Are you sponsored > by Microsoft because it sure looks like it, since Microsoft also tells > us how to use a computer. WOW! another "happy" user that have experienced the "new techology" ????? Man you said it all ... > > We are stuck with a top panel nobody wants, because it is useless. Ditto!!! > We are stuck with a way of using the computer nobody wants since it is > simply madness. That is why I move all my 120 users to XFCE or LXDE... > > Also you must have seen the many comments of different forums where > people complain about the new Gnome and who are starting to use KDE, > LXDE and/or XFCE. Is that what you want? Was that the plan, scaring > away people? If so then why bother making a new Gnome, you could have > better just stopped completely. When ubuntu forced the users to move to unity, they lost users, now linux mint (with the "old interface") is in the top. > Now Linux distributions are trying their best to make the interface > look as much as possible to what it used to be but they are hindered > by your way of presenting things, without any flexibility at all. That is why I never leaved FreeBSD... There things changed sloooow, users have time to think about... Well. any way, gnome team is right, we are not forced to use gnome3.. According to Darwin's law the best fit will survive. Microsoft learn the lesson: droped vista. Apple also learn:keep the interface of OSX. build a new interface for a new product (tablet, iphone)... Gnome and Kde will learn. If I want to use an interface like a tablet, I would use a tablet.. > > If you want people to keep using Gnome you simply have to change back > to what Gnome was. OR provide the gnome shell as an option, keeping the "old" interface the way it was... "compatible" mode is missing a lot of features. at least give us the "old panel" > If not you will see a large decrease of people hanging on to it and I > can not say it in a different way: this is what you deserve. > > One very unhappy Linux user. --=-eCef25l+HyIbdzZwulYG Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Em Sex, 2011-11-11 às 06:15 +0100, Jan Mussche escreveu:
Hello,

I have joined this mailing list since I feel I have to get in close contact to the people who have taken away all the fun in computing.
After having used Linux with great joy for several years, I am now very disappointed. The new Gnome 3, sorry for my language, stinks.
How can somebody come up with the idea to turn a computer into a smartphone or tablet? What were you thinking?
Gnome 2.32 was flexible, 3.x is not flexible at all. Are you sponsored by Microsoft because it sure looks like it, since Microsoft also tells us how to use a computer.
WOW!   another "happy" user that have experienced the "new techology" ?????
Man you said it all ...


We are stuck with a top panel nobody wants, because it is useless.
Ditto!!!
We are stuck with a way of using the computer nobody wants since it is simply madness.
That is why I move all my 120 users to XFCE or LXDE...

Also you must have seen the many comments of different forums where people complain about the new Gnome and who are starting to use KDE, LXDE and/or XFCE. Is that what you want? Was that the plan, scaring away people? If so then why bother making a new Gnome, you could have better just stopped completely.
When ubuntu forced the users to move to unity, they lost users, now linux mint (with the  "old interface") is in the top.
Now Linux distributions are trying their best to make the interface look as much as possible to what it used to be but they are hindered by your way of presenting things, without any flexibility at all.
That is why I never leaved FreeBSD... There things changed sloooow, users have time to think about...
Well. any way, gnome team is right,  we are not forced to use gnome3..
According to Darwin's law the best fit will survive.  Microsoft learn the lesson: droped vista.   Apple also learn:keep the interface of OSX.  build a new interface for a new product (tablet, iphone)... Gnome and Kde will learn.
If I want to use an interface like a tablet, I would use a tablet..

If you want people to keep using Gnome you simply have to change back to what Gnome was.
OR provide the gnome shell as an option, keeping the "old"  interface the way it was...
"compatible"  mode is missing a lot of features. at least give us the "old panel"
If not you will see a large decrease of people hanging on to it and I can not say it in a different way: this is what you deserve.

One very unhappy Linux user.

--=-eCef25l+HyIbdzZwulYG-- From jan.mussche@gmail.com Fri Nov 11 08:16:24 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25C1C750107 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 08:16:24 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WYOR7KwbhMxH for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 08:16:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D465750021 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 08:16:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eyd10 with SMTP id 10so5254615eyd.27 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 00:16:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:in-reply-to:references:disposition-notification-to :content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=Y4BGzfxn2oZ688JXiLRAU6huXOomwmI1Yn1S9rnXrpE=; b=mYGaND3uekvThOhNa3gprDffB6qDw3JK4hwuFqwAANcPP4/dRdBT6i0WaavP4jHUGm sF3lmnBeS3jMJRnL0kfo3C+jG22rf5hrLudTkEMSGbVF4TFdrK05FONGj1Q8W/k01Fql uO7XzhCEAUo4+HtEvDwFaXYciaLGIpMMnw1NY= Received: by 10.213.35.13 with SMTP id n13mr2239ebd.4.1320999369910; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 00:16:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.22] (5ED5F3A7.cm-7-6d.dynamic.ziggo.nl. [94.213.243.167]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x12sm29730017eef.9.2011.11.11.00.16.07 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 11 Nov 2011 00:16:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: One very unhappy Linux user From: Jan Mussche To: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1320998275.21159.25.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> References: <1320988533.2805.11.camel@r-730-linux> <1320998275.21159.25.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-4Vqb1ckIRZak6hVXlYGk" Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 09:16:06 +0100 Message-ID: <1320999366.2805.19.camel@r-730-linux> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.2 X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 08:16:24 -0000 --=-4Vqb1ckIRZak6hVXlYGk Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'm happy I am not the only one here complaining about the new Gnome. Now it will depend on the developers there what will happen with the future of Gnome and maybe even Linux in general. When even the Man himself, Mr. Linux said that Gnome 3 is an unholy mess and developers have their heads in their asses. Doesn't that mean anything? If Gnome will not change back to the way it was, at least concerning the interface then it is unusable and we all have to find something else, something that does meet our needs and wishes. On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 05:57 -0200, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi wrote: > Em Sex, 2011-11-11 às 06:15 +0100, Jan Mussche escreveu: > > > Hello, > > > > I have joined this mailing list since I feel I have to get in close > > contact to the people who have taken away all the fun in computing. > > After having used Linux with great joy for several years, I am now > > very disappointed. The new Gnome 3, sorry for my language, stinks. > > How can somebody come up with the idea to turn a computer into a > > smartphone or tablet? What were you thinking? > > Gnome 2.32 was flexible, 3.x is not flexible at all. Are you > > sponsored by Microsoft because it sure looks like it, since > > Microsoft also tells us how to use a computer. > > WOW! another "happy" user that have experienced the "new > techology" ????? > Man you said it all ... > > > > > > We are stuck with a top panel nobody wants, because it is useless. > > Ditto!!! > > > We are stuck with a way of using the computer nobody wants since it > > is simply madness. > > That is why I move all my 120 users to XFCE or LXDE... > > > > > Also you must have seen the many comments of different forums where > > people complain about the new Gnome and who are starting to use KDE, > > LXDE and/or XFCE. Is that what you want? Was that the plan, scaring > > away people? If so then why bother making a new Gnome, you could > > have better just stopped completely. > > When ubuntu forced the users to move to unity, they lost users, now > linux mint (with the "old interface") is in the top. > > > Now Linux distributions are trying their best to make the interface > > look as much as possible to what it used to be but they are hindered > > by your way of presenting things, without any flexibility at all. > > That is why I never leaved FreeBSD... There things changed sloooow, > users have time to think about... > Well. any way, gnome team is right, we are not forced to use > gnome3.. > According to Darwin's law the best fit will survive. Microsoft learn > the lesson: droped vista. Apple also learn:keep the interface of > OSX. build a new interface for a new product (tablet, iphone)... > Gnome and Kde will learn. > If I want to use an interface like a tablet, I would use a tablet.. > > > > > If you want people to keep using Gnome you simply have to change > > back to what Gnome was. > > OR provide the gnome shell as an option, keeping the "old" interface > the way it was... > "compatible" mode is missing a lot of features. at least give us the > "old panel" > > > If not you will see a large decrease of people hanging on to it and > > I can not say it in a different way: this is what you deserve. > > > > One very unhappy Linux user. > > --=-4Vqb1ckIRZak6hVXlYGk Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm happy I am not the only one here complaining about the new Gnome.
Now it will depend on the developers there what will happen with the future of Gnome and maybe even Linux in general.
When even the Man himself, Mr. Linux said that Gnome 3 is an unholy mess and developers have their heads in their asses. Doesn't that mean anything?

If Gnome will not change back to the way it was, at least concerning the interface then it is unusable and we all have to find something else, something that does meet our needs and wishes.




On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 05:57 -0200, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi wrote:
Em Sex, 2011-11-11 às 06:15 +0100, Jan Mussche escreveu:
Hello,

I have joined this mailing list since I feel I have to get in close contact to the people who have taken away all the fun in computing.
After having used Linux with great joy for several years, I am now very disappointed. The new Gnome 3, sorry for my language, stinks.
How can somebody come up with the idea to turn a computer into a smartphone or tablet? What were you thinking?
Gnome 2.32 was flexible, 3.x is not flexible at all. Are you sponsored by Microsoft because it sure looks like it, since Microsoft also tells us how to use a computer.
WOW!   another "happy" user that have experienced the "new techology" ?????
Man you said it all ...


We are stuck with a top panel nobody wants, because it is useless.
Ditto!!!
We are stuck with a way of using the computer nobody wants since it is simply madness.
That is why I move all my 120 users to XFCE or LXDE...

Also you must have seen the many comments of different forums where people complain about the new Gnome and who are starting to use KDE, LXDE and/or XFCE. Is that what you want? Was that the plan, scaring away people? If so then why bother making a new Gnome, you could have better just stopped completely.
When ubuntu forced the users to move to unity, they lost users, now linux mint (with the  "old interface") is in the top.
Now Linux distributions are trying their best to make the interface look as much as possible to what it used to be but they are hindered by your way of presenting things, without any flexibility at all.
That is why I never leaved FreeBSD... There things changed sloooow, users have time to think about...
Well. any way, gnome team is right,  we are not forced to use gnome3..
According to Darwin's law the best fit will survive.  Microsoft learn the lesson: droped vista.   Apple also learn:keep the interface of OSX.  build a new interface for a new product (tablet, iphone)... Gnome and Kde will learn.
If I want to use an interface like a tablet, I would use a tablet..

If you want people to keep using Gnome you simply have to change back to what Gnome was.
OR provide the gnome shell as an option, keeping the "old"  interface the way it was...
"compatible"  mode is missing a lot of features. at least give us the "old panel"
If not you will see a large decrease of people hanging on to it and I can not say it in a different way: this is what you deserve.

One very unhappy Linux user.

--=-4Vqb1ckIRZak6hVXlYGk-- From daniel.a.moore@gmail.com Fri Nov 11 08:21:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C9FB750122 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 08:21:57 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.219 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.219 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id M0QpmuMZxTzN for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 08:21:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ipmail06.adl2.internode.on.net (ipmail06.adl2.internode.on.net [150.101.137.129]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 742C1750440 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 08:21:45 +0000 (UTC) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApMBAPvYvE520mrK/2dsb2JhbAAMOKhMhEQBAQEBAgEBAQFZEgsFCwsLDS4jBDAGE4gCCKVsh3o9iHeJG2MElCiSCA Received: from ppp118-210-106-202.lns20.adl2.internode.on.net (HELO [192.168.1.1]) ([118.210.106.202]) by ipmail06.adl2.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 11 Nov 2011 18:51:42 +1030 Subject: Re: One very unhappy Linux user Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: Daniel Moore In-Reply-To: <1320999366.2805.19.camel@r-730-linux> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 18:51:41 +1030 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <1320988533.2805.11.camel@r-730-linux> <1320998275.21159.25.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <1320999366.2805.19.camel@r-730-linux> To: Jan Mussche X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 08:21:57 -0000 Please, Gnome !=3D Linux Gnome is just one option for Linux out of many. Have a look at the = alternatives... try some. Linux has always been about finding the right = package for you, not about ensuring that the general direction or = distribution conforms to your desires. On 11/11/2011, at 6:46 PM, Jan Mussche wrote: > I'm happy I am not the only one here complaining about the new Gnome. > Now it will depend on the developers there what will happen with the = future of Gnome and maybe even Linux in general. > When even the Man himself, Mr. Linux said that Gnome 3 is an unholy = mess and developers have their heads in their asses. Doesn't that mean = anything? >=20 > If Gnome will not change back to the way it was, at least concerning = the interface then it is unusable and we all have to find something = else, something that does meet our needs and wishes. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 05:57 -0200, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi wrote: >> Em Sex, 2011-11-11 =E0s 06:15 +0100, Jan Mussche escreveu: >>> Hello, >>>=20 >>> I have joined this mailing list since I feel I have to get in close = contact to the people who have taken away all the fun in computing. >>> After having used Linux with great joy for several years, I am now = very disappointed. The new Gnome 3, sorry for my language, stinks. >>> How can somebody come up with the idea to turn a computer into a = smartphone or tablet? What were you thinking? >>> Gnome 2.32 was flexible, 3.x is not flexible at all. Are you = sponsored by Microsoft because it sure looks like it, since Microsoft = also tells us how to use a computer. >> WOW! another "happy" user that have experienced the "new techology" = ????? >> Man you said it all ... >>=20 >>>=20 >>> We are stuck with a top panel nobody wants, because it is useless. >> Ditto!!! >>> We are stuck with a way of using the computer nobody wants since it = is simply madness. >> That is why I move all my 120 users to XFCE or LXDE...=20 >>>=20 >>> Also you must have seen the many comments of different forums where = people complain about the new Gnome and who are starting to use KDE, = LXDE and/or XFCE. Is that what you want? Was that the plan, scaring away = people? If so then why bother making a new Gnome, you could have better = just stopped completely. >> When ubuntu forced the users to move to unity, they lost users, now = linux mint (with the "old interface") is in the top. >>> Now Linux distributions are trying their best to make the interface = look as much as possible to what it used to be but they are hindered by = your way of presenting things, without any flexibility at all. >> That is why I never leaved FreeBSD... There things changed sloooow, = users have time to think about...=20 >> Well. any way, gnome team is right, we are not forced to use = gnome3..=20 >> According to Darwin's law the best fit will survive. Microsoft learn = the lesson: droped vista. Apple also learn:keep the interface of OSX. = build a new interface for a new product (tablet, iphone)... Gnome and = Kde will learn.=20 >> If I want to use an interface like a tablet, I would use a tablet..=20= >>>=20 >>> If you want people to keep using Gnome you simply have to change = back to what Gnome was.=20 >> OR provide the gnome shell as an option, keeping the "old" interface = the way it was...=20 >> "compatible" mode is missing a lot of features. at least give us the = "old panel"=20 >>> If not you will see a large decrease of people hanging on to it and = I can not say it in a different way: this is what you deserve. >>>=20 >>> One very unhappy Linux user. >>=20 > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From gaelic@luchmhor.net Fri Nov 11 08:30:49 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02D5C750107 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 08:30:49 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.698 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.698 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mut29LjcOUdW for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 08:30:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ww0-f46.google.com (mail-ww0-f46.google.com [74.125.82.46]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B42DC750021 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 08:30:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwi18 with SMTP id 18so1862581wwi.27 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 00:30:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.204.141 with SMTP id fm13mr7329330wbb.12.1321000231099; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 00:30:31 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: gaelic@luchmhor.net Received: by 10.227.151.208 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 00:30:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1320988533.2805.11.camel@r-730-linux> <1320998275.21159.25.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <1320999366.2805.19.camel@r-730-linux> From: x y Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 09:30:10 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Yy0dtWnvG_asX9QAwwRg2w3WSuo Message-ID: Subject: Re: One very unhappy Linux user To: Daniel Moore Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 08:30:49 -0000 I have to argue against the previous writers: I was no gnome2 User and moved to gnome3 because I like the concept. And: Linux Mint will definitely move to gnome3 but they're working on extensions to change panel behaviour and in general immitate the look&feel of gnome2. From jan.mussche@gmail.com Fri Nov 11 08:31:25 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56537750363 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 08:31:25 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GMBks7L5u5Yr for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 08:31:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77D53750107 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 08:31:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eyd10 with SMTP id 10so5263840eyd.27 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 00:31:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:in-reply-to:references:disposition-notification-to :content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=988fjUazqkNwfEQ75LK0UJDoyNXabTNn9LMDjdY0Z2w=; b=qenxLV3Qx/SzbomMkTOjx6+lD/deyvSeTtfug4DFDO79+IGbX2RyRNeqAyggYjpHix N/glX9RYeDVVYRlJiEBJg40BjR2NOjCllmHMOz0+zpwAuRri0z4GMAvIlOzEGwgTqcqM Wd4YcfweX1RcyyBbC1iO1EO6rA9SO0TES2CtE= Received: by 10.14.9.216 with SMTP id 64mr822193eet.11.1321000270134; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 00:31:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.22] (5ED5F3A7.cm-7-6d.dynamic.ziggo.nl. [94.213.243.167]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q28sm29845821eea.6.2011.11.11.00.31.08 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 11 Nov 2011 00:31:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: One very unhappy Linux user From: Jan Mussche To: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: References: <1320988533.2805.11.camel@r-730-linux> <1320998275.21159.25.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <1320999366.2805.19.camel@r-730-linux> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-sXPOoi/bCHNUggN3oSM1" Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 09:31:07 +0100 Message-ID: <1321000267.2805.26.camel@r-730-linux> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.2 X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 08:31:25 -0000 --=-sXPOoi/bCHNUggN3oSM1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yes, yes, I know that. But I have tried LXDE, XFCE and KDE and why? Because Gnome stops being Gnome. Let's face it, Gnome was on 75% of all Linux computers and now the developers just force us to choose something else or accept what they have invented. I just had major neck surgery but I don't like to have knife on my throat. When you say: "Linux has always been about finding the right package for you" I can only reply: I had the right package but somebody decided that it had to be stopped. Why kill the goose with the golden eggs? Why destroy what you have build up for so many years? What is the idea behind it? It looks to me they wanted to invent something new just because they wanted to invent something. No, I say it again: Gnome is going downhill so fast, it is as if they are trying to set a new world record. Well, soon they will make their product for a handful of people who just stick to Gnome whatever it looks like. Can they make a living from those few people? Have they ever thought about that? On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 18:51 +1030, Daniel Moore wrote: > Please, Gnome != Linux > > Gnome is just one option for Linux out of many. Have a look at the alternatives... try some. Linux has always been about finding the right package for you, not about ensuring that the general direction or distribution conforms to your desires. > > > On 11/11/2011, at 6:46 PM, Jan Mussche wrote: > > > I'm happy I am not the only one here complaining about the new Gnome. > > Now it will depend on the developers there what will happen with the future of Gnome and maybe even Linux in general. > > When even the Man himself, Mr. Linux said that Gnome 3 is an unholy mess and developers have their heads in their asses. Doesn't that mean anything? > > > > If Gnome will not change back to the way it was, at least concerning the interface then it is unusable and we all have to find something else, something that does meet our needs and wishes. > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 05:57 -0200, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi wrote: > >> Em Sex, 2011-11-11 às 06:15 +0100, Jan Mussche escreveu: > >>> Hello, > >>> > >>> I have joined this mailing list since I feel I have to get in close contact to the people who have taken away all the fun in computing. > >>> After having used Linux with great joy for several years, I am now very disappointed. The new Gnome 3, sorry for my language, stinks. > >>> How can somebody come up with the idea to turn a computer into a smartphone or tablet? What were you thinking? > >>> Gnome 2.32 was flexible, 3.x is not flexible at all. Are you sponsored by Microsoft because it sure looks like it, since Microsoft also tells us how to use a computer. > >> WOW! another "happy" user that have experienced the "new techology" ????? > >> Man you said it all ... > >> > >>> > >>> We are stuck with a top panel nobody wants, because it is useless. > >> Ditto!!! > >>> We are stuck with a way of using the computer nobody wants since it is simply madness. > >> That is why I move all my 120 users to XFCE or LXDE... > >>> > >>> Also you must have seen the many comments of different forums where people complain about the new Gnome and who are starting to use KDE, LXDE and/or XFCE. Is that what you want? Was that the plan, scaring away people? If so then why bother making a new Gnome, you could have better just stopped completely. > >> When ubuntu forced the users to move to unity, they lost users, now linux mint (with the "old interface") is in the top. > >>> Now Linux distributions are trying their best to make the interface look as much as possible to what it used to be but they are hindered by your way of presenting things, without any flexibility at all. > >> That is why I never leaved FreeBSD... There things changed sloooow, users have time to think about... > >> Well. any way, gnome team is right, we are not forced to use gnome3.. > >> According to Darwin's law the best fit will survive. Microsoft learn the lesson: droped vista. Apple also learn:keep the interface of OSX. build a new interface for a new product (tablet, iphone)... Gnome and Kde will learn. > >> If I want to use an interface like a tablet, I would use a tablet.. > >>> > >>> If you want people to keep using Gnome you simply have to change back to what Gnome was. > >> OR provide the gnome shell as an option, keeping the "old" interface the way it was... > >> "compatible" mode is missing a lot of features. at least give us the "old panel" > >>> If not you will see a large decrease of people hanging on to it and I can not say it in a different way: this is what you deserve. > >>> > >>> One very unhappy Linux user. > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > gnome-list mailing list > > gnome-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list > --=-sXPOoi/bCHNUggN3oSM1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, yes, I know that. But I have tried LXDE, XFCE and KDE and why? Because Gnome stops being Gnome.
Let's face it, Gnome was on 75% of all Linux computers and now the developers just force us to choose something else or accept what they have invented.

I just had major neck surgery but I don't like to have  knife on my throat.

When you say: "Linux has always been about finding the right package for you" I can only reply: I had the right package but somebody decided that it had to be stopped. Why kill the goose with the golden eggs? Why destroy what you have build up for so many years? What is the idea behind it? It looks to me they wanted to invent something new just because they wanted to invent something.

No, I say it again: Gnome is going downhill so fast, it is as if they are trying to set a new world record. Well, soon they will make their product for a handful of people who just stick to Gnome whatever it looks like. Can they make a living from those few people? Have they ever thought about that?




On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 18:51 +1030, Daniel Moore wrote: 
Please, Gnome != Linux

Gnome is just one option for Linux out of many. Have a look at the alternatives... try some. Linux has always been about finding the right package for you, not about ensuring that the general direction or distribution conforms to your desires.


On 11/11/2011, at 6:46 PM, Jan Mussche wrote:

> I'm happy I am not the only one here complaining about the new Gnome.
> Now it will depend on the developers there what will happen with the future of Gnome and maybe even Linux in general.
> When even the Man himself, Mr. Linux said that Gnome 3 is an unholy mess and developers have their heads in their asses. Doesn't that mean anything?
> 
> If Gnome will not change back to the way it was, at least concerning the interface then it is unusable and we all have to find something else, something that does meet our needs and wishes.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 05:57 -0200, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi wrote:
>> Em Sex, 2011-11-11 às 06:15 +0100, Jan Mussche escreveu:
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> I have joined this mailing list since I feel I have to get in close contact to the people who have taken away all the fun in computing.
>>> After having used Linux with great joy for several years, I am now very disappointed. The new Gnome 3, sorry for my language, stinks.
>>> How can somebody come up with the idea to turn a computer into a smartphone or tablet? What were you thinking?
>>> Gnome 2.32 was flexible, 3.x is not flexible at all. Are you sponsored by Microsoft because it sure looks like it, since Microsoft also tells us how to use a computer.
>> WOW!   another "happy" user that have experienced the "new techology" ?????
>> Man you said it all ...
>> 
>>> 
>>> We are stuck with a top panel nobody wants, because it is useless.
>> Ditto!!!
>>> We are stuck with a way of using the computer nobody wants since it is simply madness.
>> That is why I move all my 120 users to XFCE or LXDE... 
>>> 
>>> Also you must have seen the many comments of different forums where people complain about the new Gnome and who are starting to use KDE, LXDE and/or XFCE. Is that what you want? Was that the plan, scaring away people? If so then why bother making a new Gnome, you could have better just stopped completely.
>> When ubuntu forced the users to move to unity, they lost users, now linux mint (with the  "old interface") is in the top.
>>> Now Linux distributions are trying their best to make the interface look as much as possible to what it used to be but they are hindered by your way of presenting things, without any flexibility at all.
>> That is why I never leaved FreeBSD... There things changed sloooow, users have time to think about... 
>> Well. any way, gnome team is right,  we are not forced to use gnome3.. 
>> According to Darwin's law the best fit will survive.  Microsoft learn the lesson: droped vista.   Apple also learn:keep the interface of OSX.  build a new interface for a new product (tablet, iphone)... Gnome and Kde will learn. 
>> If I want to use an interface like a tablet, I would use a tablet.. 
>>> 
>>> If you want people to keep using Gnome you simply have to change back to what Gnome was. 
>> OR provide the gnome shell as an option, keeping the "old"  interface the way it was... 
>> "compatible"  mode is missing a lot of features. at least give us the "old panel" 
>>> If not you will see a large decrease of people hanging on to it and I can not say it in a different way: this is what you deserve.
>>> 
>>> One very unhappy Linux user.
>> 
> _______________________________________________
> gnome-list mailing list
> gnome-list@gnome.org
> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list
--=-sXPOoi/bCHNUggN3oSM1-- From lenzi.sergio@gmail.com Fri Nov 11 08:40:45 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A19057501BD for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 08:40:45 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.622 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.622 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_LX=0.077] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7PpA5FHgGfaN for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 08:40:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DEBB750021 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 08:40:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yenl2 with SMTP id l2so2946397yen.27 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 00:40:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references :disposition-notification-to:content-type:date:message-id :mime-version:x-mailer; bh=oc1FzZLu1b8ccUZfBBZ/hZGpZmrLkZoyv8lPgZ8iSyU=; b=Sc4JlZDwasmKFs05DwTUyTwzp1DbaP7O4A+LP4mwBNdSbdI0nBPfZ+sm6URApRt82Q /hpRhATzNtbgSk30456iH/IaYlsHfwFcwJnsfq9lmixW5OROA8GdTYWBhJwLjsUlPOES 32ayT0B7HJocS+SdYYL5ad1F/O3WpUfagQ688= Received: by 10.101.11.18 with SMTP id o18mr5143564ani.86.1321000832148; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 00:40:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.6.230] ([201.21.151.230]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id u19sm31951355ank.11.2011.11.11.00.40.29 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 11 Nov 2011 00:40:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: One very unhappy Linux user From: Sergio de Almeida Lenzi To: Jan Mussche In-Reply-To: <1320999366.2805.19.camel@r-730-linux> References: <1320988533.2805.11.camel@r-730-linux> <1320998275.21159.25.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <1320999366.2805.19.camel@r-730-linux> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-8lgEnqsRfM1cKtBziZma" Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 06:40:28 -0200 Message-ID: <1321000828.21159.53.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 08:40:45 -0000 --=-8lgEnqsRfM1cKtBziZma Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Em Sex, 2011-11-11 às 09:16 +0100, Jan Mussche escreveu: > I'm happy I am not the only one here complaining about the new Gnome. > Now it will depend on the developers there what will happen with the > future of Gnome and maybe even Linux in general. > When even the Man himself, Mr. Linux said that Gnome 3 is an unholy > mess and developers have their heads in their asses. Doesn't that mean > anything? means that gnome on the desktop is doomed. Users will use this kind of interface in tablets (where android rules...) users will switch to xfce, lxde (note that I have never heard about lxde a year ago).. these environment are gaining more and more users, and I bet they did not came from windows.. > > If Gnome will not change back to the way it was, at least concerning > the interface then it is unusable and we all have to find something > else, something that does meet our needs and wishes. They will not, gnome seems to be ruled by "high skilled technological gods" and does not care about "simple mortals" that only wants to use the computer, and does not want to learn a "high skilled" interface that have dozens of "keyboard" shortcuts.. users wants to use a mouse (preferable with only one button), and enter data on the interface using the keyboard. ALT-this ALT-that, SHIFT-ALT-this... is faster, but for a "simple mortal" is unacceptable.. as I said, users want only to use the computer.. that is why I keep the gnome 2.32 and are moving new users to the XFCE4 and will test LXDE soon. For tablets, I will prefer android.. > --=-8lgEnqsRfM1cKtBziZma Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Em Sex, 2011-11-11 às 09:16 +0100, Jan Mussche escreveu:
I'm happy I am not the only one here complaining about the new Gnome.
Now it will depend on the developers there what will happen with the future of Gnome and maybe even Linux in general.
When even the Man himself, Mr. Linux said that Gnome 3 is an unholy mess and developers have their heads in their asses. Doesn't that mean anything?
means that gnome on the desktop is doomed.  Users will use this kind of interface in tablets (where android rules...)
users will switch to xfce, lxde (note that I have never heard about lxde a year ago).. these environment are gaining more and more users, and
I bet they did not came from windows..

If Gnome will not change back to the way it was, at least concerning the interface then it is unusable and we all have to find something else, something that does meet our needs and wishes.
They will not, gnome seems to be ruled by "high skilled technological gods" and does not care about "simple mortals"
that only wants to use the computer, and does not want to learn a "high skilled" interface that have dozens of "keyboard" shortcuts..
users wants to use a mouse (preferable with only one button), and enter data on the interface using the keyboard.
ALT-this ALT-that, SHIFT-ALT-this... is faster, but for a "simple mortal" is unacceptable.. as I said,
users want only to use the computer.. 
that is why I keep the gnome 2.32 and are moving new users to the XFCE4 and will test LXDE soon.
For tablets, I will prefer android..


--=-8lgEnqsRfM1cKtBziZma-- From lenzi.sergio@gmail.com Fri Nov 11 08:51:01 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D5A97501BD for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 08:51:01 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OrMrx8CY-UgZ for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 08:50:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71776750021 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 08:50:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyd5 with SMTP id 5so4091949gyd.27 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 00:50:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references :disposition-notification-to:content-type:date:message-id :mime-version:x-mailer; bh=1HYzo6sBFqEv2AXCFoNjYnm7K63AaavgBGXjezYa1rA=; b=FiCg8KodaItGHheVpCzh7UDCTtZVXQmEM4szNYf6ZtgF7kgwNslR9nVBycRo1hnhUh 70EoPr/sRJgSeBbEXPKTxtFtvIzse0BAWBl01pvCxMOit/CPftC/OdILjQmLLmi+KJl5 1gEF3HN+nrBSNefRytdjAKAYryiRijmu/PUW4= Received: by 10.101.188.11 with SMTP id q11mr3291186anp.144.1321001449902; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 00:50:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.6.230] ([201.21.151.230]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c44sm16187283yhm.5.2011.11.11.00.50.46 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 11 Nov 2011 00:50:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: One very unhappy Linux user From: Sergio de Almeida Lenzi To: Daniel Moore In-Reply-To: References: <1320988533.2805.11.camel@r-730-linux> <1320998275.21159.25.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <1320999366.2805.19.camel@r-730-linux> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-MJyqVOMeGRIcbnPd2Nbb" Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 06:50:45 -0200 Message-ID: <1321001445.21159.60.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 08:51:01 -0000 --=-MJyqVOMeGRIcbnPd2Nbb Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Em Sex, 2011-11-11 às 18:51 +1030, Daniel Moore escreveu: > Please, Gnome != Linux > > Gnome is just one option for Linux out of many. Have a look at the > alternatives... try some. Linux has always been about finding the > right package for you, not about ensuring that the general direction > or distribution conforms to your desires. > > Yes gnome is not Linux (thanks God, or Linus..., whoever..) the problem is that users wants to put a cd (pen drive) in the computer an install the system in order to have a computer useable .. there are few choices.. KDE, GNOME3.. if you want to install xfce, for example, only few distributions have it.. That is why linx mint http://linuxmint.com is in the top of prefered distributions now.. it passed ubunto after 6 years in the top. While distributions spend time (and money) to fix gnome3, and make it "useable" linuxmint offer a simple and efficient alternative (lxde)... --=-MJyqVOMeGRIcbnPd2Nbb Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Em Sex, 2011-11-11 às 18:51 +1030, Daniel Moore escreveu:
Please, Gnome != Linux

Gnome is just one option for Linux out of many. Have a look at the alternatives... try some. Linux has always been about finding the right package for you, not about ensuring that the general direction or distribution conforms to your desires.


Yes gnome is not Linux (thanks God, or Linus..., whoever..)

the problem is that users wants to put a cd (pen drive) in the
computer an install the system in order to have a computer
useable .. there are few choices..  KDE, GNOME3..
if you want to install xfce, for example, only few distributions
have it.. 
That is why linx mint http://linuxmint.com is in the top of
prefered distributions now..  it passed ubunto after 6 years
in the top.

While distributions spend time (and money) to fix gnome3,
and make it "useable"  linuxmint offer a simple and
efficient alternative (lxde)...


--=-MJyqVOMeGRIcbnPd2Nbb-- From gaelic@luchmhor.net Fri Nov 11 08:57:36 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40D237501BD for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 08:57:36 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.677 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.677 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, MISSING_HEADERS=1.021, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bk97zMQGRFVS for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 08:57:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DD9A750107 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 08:57:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyf23 with SMTP id 23so2472357wyf.27 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 00:57:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.208.77 with SMTP id gb13mr7798710wbb.4.1321001844086; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 00:57:24 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: gaelic@luchmhor.net Received: by 10.227.151.208 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 00:57:03 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1321000267.2805.26.camel@r-730-linux> References: <1320988533.2805.11.camel@r-730-linux> <1320998275.21159.25.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <1320999366.2805.19.camel@r-730-linux> <1321000267.2805.26.camel@r-730-linux> From: x y Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 09:57:03 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: jgJI3bKmkcWhqbx615hgKcrhhRg Message-ID: Subject: Re: One very unhappy Linux user Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 08:57:36 -0000 On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Jan Mussche wrote: > Let's face it, Gnome was on 75% of all Linux computers and now the Any proof for that? Because I don't believe it. Or any of the other "facts" you're writing about. The only thing I see are personal feelings written down as "facts". From svante.signell@telia.com Fri Nov 11 09:15:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58C377501E7 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 09:15:43 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UvlbB4dNUVIq for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 09:15:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 365 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at menubar.gnome.org; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 09:15:41 UTC Received: from smtp-out21.han.skanova.net (smtp-out21.han.skanova.net [195.67.226.208]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E294750351 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 09:15:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [130.237.20.66] (130.237.20.66) by smtp-out21.han.skanova.net (8.5.133) (authenticated as u84406617) id 4E79D85B0139F17C; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:09:04 +0100 Message-ID: <1321002544.5597.202.camel@s1499.it.kth.se> Subject: Re: One very unhappy Linux user From: Svante Signell To: gnome-list@gnome.org Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:09:04 +0100 In-Reply-To: <1320988533.2805.11.camel@r-730-linux> References: <1320988533.2805.11.camel@r-730-linux> Organization: Hemma Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.0.3-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: svante.signell@telia.com List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 09:15:43 -0000 On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 06:15 +0100, Jan Mussche wrote: > Hello, > If you want people to keep using Gnome you simply have to change back > to what Gnome was. If not you will see a large decrease of people > hanging on to it and I can not say it in a different way: this is what > you deserve. +1 I have gnome3 on one computer but am reluctant to upgrade the other computers fully to gnome3. Are there any options to get (something like) the old interface back? From olav@vitters.nl Fri Nov 11 09:45:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05DAD7501E7 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 09:45:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zR1SDx1lljox for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 09:45:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fep12.mx.upcmail.net (fep12.mx.upcmail.net [62.179.121.32]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0F8F7501BD for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 09:45:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edge02.upcmail.net ([192.168.13.237]) by viefep12-int.chello.at (InterMail vM.8.01.02.02 201-2260-120-106-20100312) with ESMTP id <20111111094526.GTCU1724.viefep12-int.chello.at@edge02.upcmail.net> for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:45:26 +0100 Received: from bkor.dhs.org ([62.195.84.29]) by edge02.upcmail.net with edge id vllQ1h0180dyCrA02llRTU; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:45:26 +0100 X-SourceIP: 62.195.84.29 Received: by bkor.dhs.org (Postfix, from userid 501) id CF28C500351; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:43:27 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:43:27 +0100 From: Olav Vitters To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: One very unhappy Linux user Message-ID: <20111111094327.GA15622@bkor.dhs.org> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <1320988533.2805.11.camel@r-730-linux> <1320998275.21159.25.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <1320999366.2805.19.camel@r-730-linux> <1321000267.2805.26.camel@r-730-linux> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1321000267.2805.26.camel@r-730-linux> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=7AjrSHUygkxmgKj9+ZdWPzZoKYzIcpgZMIt1Yxqn8hE= c=1 sm=0 a=wom5GMh1gUkA:10 a=N1AoRaX-S3EA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=l8NFo6NGLC_C9un47XQA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 09:45:41 -0000 On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 09:31:07AM +0100, Jan Mussche wrote: > I just had major neck surgery but I don't like to have knife on my > throat. I know you're upset, but take such comparisons elsewhere please. Not appropriate for a public mailing list. -- Regards, Olav (moderator) From lenzi.sergio@gmail.com Fri Nov 11 09:55:20 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D7D77501E7 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 09:55:20 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mBNhx50BVKcA for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 09:55:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12FB37501BD for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 09:55:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ggnk3 with SMTP id k3so6180508ggn.27 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 01:55:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references :disposition-notification-to:content-type:date:message-id :mime-version:x-mailer; bh=f/9Z4r2BBN4AfCP3i4Q+vBCTdwAfgVHDxc1kh/pKSXQ=; b=O01EK2r2FPQNFGEECnh8eg+qXeXuCZ00zlmawcSv54u3CAFPOklNqJx7WAAo/3kkqk +MtRgluRyhkHPgrwmViQVLBzJouLsDNh2eQ8Dpxb/a7waR9oNtZUjZ08CiKjqij8D9o4 mUrlLpyPLfkaXJPwJFZ75zn5KjAPUibDabud8= Received: by 10.101.8.2 with SMTP id l2mr5304398ani.79.1321005308263; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 01:55:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.6.230] ([201.21.151.230]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 32sm32412153anu.10.2011.11.11.01.55.05 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 11 Nov 2011 01:55:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: One very unhappy Linux user From: Sergio de Almeida Lenzi To: x y In-Reply-To: References: <1320988533.2805.11.camel@r-730-linux> <1320998275.21159.25.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <1320999366.2805.19.camel@r-730-linux> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-S28V97EDMmt5r4vijoy3" Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 07:55:04 -0200 Message-ID: <1321005304.21159.64.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 09:55:20 -0000 --=-S28V97EDMmt5r4vijoy3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Em Sex, 2011-11-11 às 09:30 +0100, x y escreveu: > I have to argue against the previous writers: > > I was no gnome2 User and moved to gnome3 because I like the concept. > > And: Linux Mint will definitely move to gnome3 but they're working on > extensions to change panel behaviour and in general immitate the > look&feel of gnome2. No problem, name whatever you want gnome3, gnome4... newgnome... just give the user what he had it make a new interface as an option not a new product make makes an end user "lost in space" ... computers should be focus on end users not on technicians --=-S28V97EDMmt5r4vijoy3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Em Sex, 2011-11-11 às 09:30 +0100, x y escreveu:
I have to argue against the previous writers:

I was no gnome2 User and moved to gnome3 because I like the concept.

And: Linux Mint will definitely move to gnome3 but they're working on
extensions to change panel behaviour and in general immitate the
look&feel of gnome2.

No problem, name whatever you want gnome3, gnome4... newgnome...
just give the user what he had it  make a  new interface as an option
not a new product make makes an end user "lost in space" ...

computers should be focus on end users not on technicians --=-S28V97EDMmt5r4vijoy3-- From barry07@nspipes.co.uk Fri Nov 11 10:09:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C3797501BD for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:09:14 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8ezeKOXw0xmY for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:09:09 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 1604 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at menubar.gnome.org; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:09:09 UTC Received: from diamond.bf-dns.com (diamond.bf-dns.com [81.19.183.2]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 654FE7501E7 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:09:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from host86-156-124-114.range86-156.btcentralplus.com ([86.156.124.114] helo=Breckons.home) by diamond.bf-dns.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ROnck-0001JJ-CJ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 09:42:14 +0000 Message-ID: <4EBCEDF4.30306@nspipes.co.uk> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 09:42:12 +0000 From: Barry Say User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:6.0.2) Gecko/20110906 Firefox/6.0.2 SeaMonkey/2.3.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jan Mussche , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: One very unhappy Linux user References: <1320988533.2805.11.camel@r-730-linux> In-Reply-To: <1320988533.2805.11.camel@r-730-linux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - diamond.bf-dns.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - nspipes.co.uk X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:09:14 -0000 Jan has my sympathy. I joined this list shortly before the change and was truly appalled when Gnome 3 was imposed on me. I thought I was upgrading Fedora and was faced with a new and incomprehensible desktop, which felt like everything I was trying to get away from on Windows and MACs. I think Fedora was at fault here. Gnome 3 was a step-change, not an upgrade. Perhaps it is still possible to get Gnome3 to behave more like Gnome 2 but in order to do this I have to learn how to use the new Gnome 3 before I can get back to the old ways. I think we are at a fork in the desktop user interface. There will be users who mostly use tablets, and when they come to a PC will wish to use a similar interface. Others like myself prefer the keyboard and mouse and clunky, old, easily-comprehensible ways of working. We have come a long way in the last 40 years and I would not want to go back to punch cards and paper tape, but I cannot see that stuff like Gnome 3 is going to make me more productive in my remaining years. Barry Jan Mussche wrote: > Hello, > > I have joined this mailing list since I feel I have to get in close > contact to the people who have taken away all the fun in computing. > After having used Linux with great joy for several years, I am now > very disappointed. The new Gnome 3, sorry for my language, stinks. > How can somebody come up with the idea to turn a computer into a > smartphone or tablet? What were you thinking? > Gnome 2.32 was flexible, 3.x is not flexible at all. Are you sponsored > by Microsoft because it sure looks like it, since Microsoft also tells > us how to use a computer. > > We are stuck with a top panel nobody wants, because it is useless. > We are stuck with a way of using the computer nobody wants since it is > simply madness. > > Also you must have seen the many comments of different forums where > people complain about the new Gnome and who are starting to use KDE, > LXDE and/or XFCE. Is that what you want? Was that the plan, scaring > away people? If so then why bother making a new Gnome, you could have > better just stopped completely. > Now Linux distributions are trying their best to make the interface > look as much as possible to what it used to be but they are hindered > by your way of presenting things, without any flexibility at all. > > If you want people to keep using Gnome you simply have to change back > to what Gnome was. If not you will see a large decrease of people > hanging on to it and I can not say it in a different way: this is what > you deserve. > > One very unhappy Linux user. > > > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From jan.mussche@gmail.com Fri Nov 11 10:19:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 501A87501E7 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:19:18 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Am5AE0BvONCx for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:19:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AE017501BD for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:19:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eyd10 with SMTP id 10so5340453eyd.27 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 02:19:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references :disposition-notification-to:content-type:date:message-id :mime-version:x-mailer; bh=OFUK0FC8PGg8oZYW88nJ2KAiwQ46JLbSoWIs5b3c2kA=; b=f7Dic3vouwZSTUZ7a5GECFges5mIl3xFv1HmnMH19RqfMhHDEm0o+twdSdpW+Vkuhy iaetE0KNctVrlZjNTjx534R8HR7UHCzPVBVw/IWH5vm7FO3pmqBFnAkQj9Mc7cfE9Kox YKbHS/xZy9QEru+Cov2jhjWlfivJ1CWy8lC7I= Received: by 10.14.19.5 with SMTP id m5mr899365eem.121.1321006746079; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 02:19:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.22] (5ED5F3A7.cm-7-6d.dynamic.ziggo.nl. [94.213.243.167]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f36sm30539328eef.4.2011.11.11.02.19.03 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 11 Nov 2011 02:19:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: One very unhappy Linux user From: Jan Mussche To: Olav Vitters In-Reply-To: <20111111094327.GA15622@bkor.dhs.org> References: <1320988533.2805.11.camel@r-730-linux> <1320998275.21159.25.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <1320999366.2805.19.camel@r-730-linux> <1321000267.2805.26.camel@r-730-linux> <20111111094327.GA15622@bkor.dhs.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-+mfFiedb7E1ymdMysIBR" Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 11:19:02 +0100 Message-ID: <1321006742.2805.28.camel@r-730-linux> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.2 Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:19:19 -0000 --=-+mfFiedb7E1ymdMysIBR Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Question: what is this mailing list for, if not for writing about your ideas of having a much better Gnome than what we have to deal with now? On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 10:43 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: > On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 09:31:07AM +0100, Jan Mussche wrote: > > I just had major neck surgery but I don't like to have knife on my > > throat. > > I know you're upset, but take such comparisons elsewhere please. Not > appropriate for a public mailing list. --=-+mfFiedb7E1ymdMysIBR Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Question: what is this mailing list for, if not for writing about your ideas of having a much better Gnome than what we have to deal with now?

On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 10:43 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: 
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 09:31:07AM +0100, Jan Mussche wrote:
> I just had major neck surgery but I don't like to have  knife on my
> throat.

I know you're upset, but take such comparisons elsewhere please. Not
appropriate for a public mailing list.
--=-+mfFiedb7E1ymdMysIBR-- From olav@vitters.nl Fri Nov 11 10:26:35 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D4CA750273 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:26:35 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uPyTWKkc+02R for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:26:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fep16.mx.upcmail.net (fep16.mx.upcmail.net [62.179.121.36]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCDFB750266 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:26:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edge03.upcmail.net ([192.168.13.238]) by viefep16-int.chello.at (InterMail vM.8.01.02.02 201-2260-120-106-20100312) with ESMTP id <20111111102621.XJIF1962.viefep16-int.chello.at@edge03.upcmail.net>; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 11:26:21 +0100 Received: from bkor.dhs.org ([62.195.84.29]) by edge03.upcmail.net with edge id vmSK1h02T0dyCrA03mSL3T; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 11:26:21 +0100 X-SourceIP: 62.195.84.29 Received: by bkor.dhs.org (Postfix, from userid 501) id DB9305001FB; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 11:24:23 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 11:24:23 +0100 From: Olav Vitters To: Jan Mussche Subject: Re: One very unhappy Linux user Message-ID: <20111111102423.GA15608@bkor.dhs.org> Mail-Followup-To: Jan Mussche , gnome-list@gnome.org References: <1320988533.2805.11.camel@r-730-linux> <1320998275.21159.25.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <1320999366.2805.19.camel@r-730-linux> <1321000267.2805.26.camel@r-730-linux> <20111111094327.GA15622@bkor.dhs.org> <1321006742.2805.28.camel@r-730-linux> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1321006742.2805.28.camel@r-730-linux> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=HWkYZS0+VrF7DBwcY/1jDCl9/vw+sclK/cqazKbcp2w= c=1 sm=0 a=wom5GMh1gUkA:10 a=N1AoRaX-S3EA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=fVyr5H65kzTMKNS_uD8A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:26:35 -0000 On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 11:19:02AM +0100, Jan Mussche wrote: > Question: what is this mailing list for, if not for writing about your > ideas of having a much better Gnome than what we have to deal with now? As per the description: "This list is for general discussion of GNOME. It is an appropriate place to ask questions about using GNOME." Saying GNOME put a "knife on your throat" is not appropriate. Saying you dislike GNOME 3 is fine. Say it is terrible, you hate it, worst desktop environment you've ever seen, etc. I'd prefer you'd like it, but you're expressing opinion so it is cool. But there is a limit, and something like "knife on your throat" is beyond what I think is appropriate. If you think that happened, file a police report. -- Regards, Olav From ddup1@dupnet.org Fri Nov 11 10:44:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D10897501EE for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:44:23 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.102 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.102 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.201, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BA5yQ6kZ7NFR for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:44:20 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 576 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at menubar.gnome.org; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:44:20 UTC Received: from bowser.dupnet.org (bowser.dupnet.org [109.74.202.241]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC3667501E7 for ; 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charset=ISO-8859-1 Exactly the same thing happen when kde4 was released. A lot of people angry left kde or keep using the 3.5 version because kde4 "was a mess". I think that Gnome 3 need some time to grow. It's just to new. May by in the next release we will see some of the lost features we have in the 2.x versions. Don't by angry with the work in Gnome 3. They try something new, may by they wrong but this kind of "fails" are good to grow stronger. --001517592e7283db6e04b1738efc Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1

Exactly the same thing happen when kde4 was released. A lot of people angry left kde or keep using the 3.5 version because kde4 "was a mess".

I think that Gnome 3 need some time to grow. It's just to new. May by in the next release we will see some of the lost features we have in the 2.x versions.

Don't by angry with the work in Gnome 3. They try something new, may by they wrong but this kind of "fails" are good to grow stronger.

--001517592e7283db6e04b1738efc-- From ersaloz@gmail.com Fri Nov 11 11:50:04 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEFBC7501BD for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 11:50:03 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7bBQFUO25yS6 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 11:50:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1B967501E7 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 11:49:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkbzs8 with SMTP id zs8so5948202bkb.27 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 03:49:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:subject:from:to:date:in-reply-to:references:content-type :x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=HW0f7V4Eq9fFv3RHdKFrVcaLhQHJdT5cN4SX/Vri10Q=; b=K2unrc0Wvf9bdZJLI8WWb/OJ5aFzFx0KZ0Wrk9oF1RVV/aBYKghy3NWp3+GVe70ggK 5UBjwftJVU8XCEeDo2F0/lJoRH5G6R3dZ5WUtR/tRKyt7rcKf8J1FAHNktKiYE8uc7qS C9kJWM5qPfV1DwueER8FtCJ7pSD2ZlHlCW98Q= Received: by 10.205.131.144 with SMTP id hq16mr221100bkc.130.1321012191736; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 03:49:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.201] (110.Red-81-39-55.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net. [81.39.55.110]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j9sm10298480bkd.2.2011.11.11.03.49.50 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 11 Nov 2011 03:49:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1321012187.2963.40.camel@escampalaboira.local> Subject: Re: One very unhappy Linux user From: Ernest Sales To: gnome-list@gnome.org Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 12:49:47 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.0.3-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 11:50:04 -0000 I see no lack of functionality or productivity with GNOME 3 compared to GNOME 2. Many things have to be done in a different way, perhaps too many for anyone who is already busy with his work, but when you get used to it, the result is efficiency and comfort. Really miss some pieces, like a place on hand for pending stuff --yes, I miss my cluttered desktop, but also used to hate it, so hope this could be approached in less intrusive ways. Also a hyerarchy in the dash and the applications overview. On the other hand, the inabilty to fine tune any kind of settings has been almost a trend with GNOME for as long as I can remember, so nothing new here. From viniciusuriel@gmail.com Fri Nov 11 12:44:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CE1F7501D6 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 12:44:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e7BqHHxOa-tf for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 12:44:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9BAA7501BD for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 12:44:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyf23 with SMTP id 23so2782637wyf.27 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 04:44:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=+Bgv3+L6pwIe7a4pU9LiZ69h/+/FJMkGx8KHQVGdjas=; b=O3GG0ilLAuN5p0/1KfoHHBiOPGRUsjI68YRQ8lItrf5GYoa/h9H3aJrIGsB2gUq3Je Q8RUgQFuqxP1nPNx0UuAqcb2BxUNtSPE/j8PHxIokAu1tAa3ccPRYehjvXgoQZrSvkzl jbozGm3fZBhe6nOAU06AXE5rZN9XgC9tznXbk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.208.77 with SMTP id gb13mr8463960wbb.4.1321015441798; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 04:44:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.35.14 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 04:44:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1321012187.2963.40.camel@escampalaboira.local> References: <1321012187.2963.40.camel@escampalaboira.local> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:44:01 -0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: One very unhappy Linux user From: Vinicius Uriel To: gnome-list@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174c3ba626b61804b174e035 X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 12:44:16 -0000 --0015174c3ba626b61804b174e035 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have been using gnome shell since the first release on fedora 15. I am already adapted to almost all changes, but I think some points need more atention. The number of mouse clicks, mouse gestures and keyboard key presses were increased in almost every simple action, like launch an application, opening the home folder, and change between multiple open windows. I think the the main drawbacks in relation to gnome 2 are the lack of configurabilty in the system settings and the lack of agility on application switch, the applications overview is not the best way to switch among applications, it is nice to have an overview, but I do not need an overview every time I switch between applications. Many people need to work with several applications at the same time, the assumption that the user will be using only one application at same time is too restrictive. []'s Vinicius Uriel On 11 November 2011 09:49, Ernest Sales wrote: > I see no lack of functionality or productivity with GNOME 3 compared to > GNOME 2. Many things have to be done in a different way, perhaps too > many for anyone who is already busy with his work, but when you get used > to it, the result is efficiency and comfort. > > Really miss some pieces, like a place on hand for pending stuff --yes, I > miss my cluttered desktop, but also used to hate it, so hope this could > be approached in less intrusive ways. Also a hyerarchy in the dash and > the applications overview. On the other hand, the inabilty to fine tune > any kind of settings has been almost a trend with GNOME for as long as I > can remember, so nothing new here. > > > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list > --0015174c3ba626b61804b174e035 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have been using gnome shell since the first release on fedora 15. I am already adapted to almost all changes, b= ut I think some points need more atention.

The number of mouse click= s, mouse gestures and keyboard key presses were increased in almost every s= imple action, like launch an application, opening the home folder, and chan= ge between multiple open windows.

I think the the main drawbacks in relation to gnome 2 are the lack of c= onfigurabilty in the system settings and the lack of agility on application= switch, the applications overview is not the best way to switch among appl= ications, it is nice to have an overview, but I do not need an overview eve= ry time I switch between applications.

Many people need to work with several applications at the same time, th= e assumption that the user will be using only one application at same time = is too restrictive.


=A0[]'s
=A0 Vinicius Uriel


On 11 November 2011 09:49, Ernest Sales <ersaloz@gmail.com> wrote:
I see no lack of functionality or productivity with GNOME 3 compared to
GNOME 2. Many things have to be done in a different way, perhaps too
many for anyone who is already busy with his work, but when you get used to it, the result is efficiency and comfort.

Really miss some pieces, like a place on hand for pending stuff --yes, I miss my cluttered desktop, but also used to hate it, so hope this could
be approached in less intrusive ways. Also a hyerarchy in the dash and
the applications overview. On the other hand, the inabilty to fine tune
any kind of settings has been almost a trend with GNOME for as long as I can remember, so nothing new here.

--0015174c3ba626b61804b174e035-- From viniciusuriel@gmail.com Fri Nov 11 12:47:42 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E5C77501D6 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 12:47:42 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id m7Tr5y86A+de for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 12:47:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ww0-f46.google.com (mail-ww0-f46.google.com [74.125.82.46]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2E007501BD for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 12:47:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwi18 with SMTP id 18so2061157wwi.27 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 04:47:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=vQCagN6ZFuVr5SWOtVc3tdLvWE1BcqKfljFy54TxP7c=; b=jDmylu1HoAAmJwLRlPGUSKtmXK8RB//TF//wJKcC+9X0f+h55MGGBJjqOXzaLLCoOG sIfEt0E0TXghB35vx5pjI4Id1FpbAnKylzAXCm1AV9sS0u3Z9LUHbgNlExc4URwW76q2 71bQ5pzRvdmuxrqSry60HVWMbDntPwZV0InZY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.137.84 with SMTP id x62mr123112wei.28.1321015645553; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 04:47:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.35.14 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 04:47:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1320988533.2805.11.camel@r-730-linux> References: <1320988533.2805.11.camel@r-730-linux> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:47:25 -0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: One very unhappy Linux user From: Vinicius Uriel To: Jan Mussche Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d7e73f4bc40904b174ecc9 Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 12:47:42 -0000 --0016e6d7e73f4bc40904b174ecc9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have been using gnome shell since the first release on fedora 15. I am already adapted to almost all changes, but I think some points need more atention. The number of mouse clicks, mouse gestures and keyboard key presses were increased in almost every simple action, like launch an application, opening the home folder, and change between multiple open windows. I think the the main drawbacks in relation to gnome 2 are the lack of configurabilty in the system settings and the lack of agility on application switch, the applications overview is not the best way to switch among applications, it is nice to have an overview, but I do not need an overview every time I switch between applications. Many people need to work with several applications at the same time, the assumption that the user will be using only one application at same time is too restrictive. []'s Vinicius Uriel On 11 November 2011 03:15, Jan Mussche wrote: > ** > Hello, > > I have joined this mailing list since I feel I have to get in close > contact to the people who have taken away all the fun in computing. > After having used Linux with great joy for several years, I am now very > disappointed. The new Gnome 3, sorry for my language, stinks. > How can somebody come up with the idea to turn a computer into a > smartphone or tablet? What were you thinking? > Gnome 2.32 was flexible, 3.x is not flexible at all. Are you sponsored by > Microsoft because it sure looks like it, since Microsoft also tells us how > to use a computer. > > We are stuck with a top panel nobody wants, because it is useless. > We are stuck with a way of using the computer nobody wants since it is > simply madness. > > Also you must have seen the many comments of different forums where people > complain about the new Gnome and who are starting to use KDE, LXDE and/or > XFCE. Is that what you want? Was that the plan, scaring away people? If so > then why bother making a new Gnome, you could have better just stopped > completely. > Now Linux distributions are trying their best to make the interface look > as much as possible to what it used to be but they are hindered by your way > of presenting things, without any flexibility at all. > > If you want people to keep using Gnome you simply have to change back to > what Gnome was. If not you will see a large decrease of people hanging on > to it and I can not say it in a different way: this is what you deserve. > > One very unhappy Linux user. > > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list > > --0016e6d7e73f4bc40904b174ecc9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have been using gnome shell since the first release on fedora 15. I am already adapted to almost all changes, but I think s= ome points need more atention.

The number of mouse clicks, mouse gestures and keyboard key presses were=20 increased in almost every simple action, like launch an application,=20 opening the home folder, and change between multiple open windows.

I think the the main drawbacks in relation to gnome 2 are the lack=20 of configurabilty in the system settings and the lack of agility on=20 application switch, the applications overview is not the best way to=20 switch among applications, it is nice to have an overview, but I do not=20 need an overview every time I switch between applications.

Many people need to work with several applications at the same time, the assumption that the user will be using only one application at same time is too restrictive.


=A0[]'s
=A0 Vinicius Uriel

On 11 November= 2011 03:15, Jan Mussche <jan.mussche@gmail.com> wrote:
=20 =20
Hello,

I have joined this mailing list since I feel I have to get in close contact= to the people who have taken away all the fun in computing.
After having used Linux with great joy for several years, I am now very dis= appointed. The new Gnome 3, sorry for my language, stinks.
How can somebody come up with the idea to turn a computer into a smartphone= or tablet? What were you thinking?
Gnome 2.32 was flexible, 3.x is not flexible at all. Are you sponsored by M= icrosoft because it sure looks like it, since Microsoft also tells us how t= o use a computer.

We are stuck with a top panel nobody wants, because it is useless.
We are stuck with a way of using the computer nobody wants since it is simp= ly madness.

Also you must have seen the many comments of different forums where people = complain about the new Gnome and who are starting to use KDE, LXDE and/or X= FCE. Is that what you want? Was that the plan, scaring away people? If so t= hen why bother making a new Gnome, you could have better just stopped compl= etely.
Now Linux distributions are trying their best to make the interface look as= much as possible to what it used to be but they are hindered by your way o= f presenting things, without any flexibility at all.

If you want people to keep using Gnome you simply have to change back to wh= at Gnome was. If not you will see a large decrease of people hanging on to = it and I can not say it in a different way: this is what you deserve.

One very unhappy Linux user.


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--0016e6d7e73f4bc40904b174ecc9-- From carpetnailz@researchintegration.org Fri Nov 11 13:37:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A626275002C for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 13:37:56 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sPfs7z6Vws7h for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 13:37:55 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 421 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at menubar.gnome.org; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 13:37:54 UTC Received: from smtp.omnis.com (smtp.omnis.com [216.239.128.26]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E51C3750111 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 13:37:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-hub-a.omnis.com (mail-hub-a.omnis.com [216.239.128.241]) by smtp.omnis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D26E1457644 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 05:30:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.104] (cpe-184-56-241-82.neo.res.rr.com [184.56.241.82]) (Authenticated sender: carpetnailz@researchintegration.org) by mail-hub-a.omnis.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E2F884CEE14 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 05:30:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: One very unhappy Linux user From: "carpetnailz@researchintegration.org" To: gnome-list@gnome.org Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 08:30:41 -0500 In-Reply-To: <1321012187.2963.40.camel@escampalaboira.local> References: <1321012187.2963.40.camel@escampalaboira.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.0.3 (3.0.3-1.fc15) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1321018243.2495.30.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97 at mail-hub-a.omnis.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 13:37:56 -0000 Think of all the time wasted by the (hundreds of thousands of?) users all over the world trying to relearn how to use their major, everyday tool! Steve Jobs reportedly reminded his developers early on something like this: If it takes 10 extra seconds to boot Mac, multiply that by the millions or users all over the world once or twice a day. Specifically re Gnome 3 failure: Whereas I used to be able to open documents that I use everyday or so by just clicking on the desktop icon, I now have to 1. Find the app icon in my Dash--on my 10" relatively hi-res screen, that can take time, since the icons are very small. 2. Click on the app in the dash and wait while it opens. 3. Take time to go to "File," click "Open", find my document and click on it to open it. This is not progress. Another: I used to be able to move to a different app/document by clicking on the document in the bottom panel Now I have to 1. Alt-tab to get the screen that has the different apps 2. Continue to alt-tab till I've selected the right app. 3. If I'm lucky, the new app/document now can be worked on. 4. But what if I have more than one document open in that app? Then alt-tab fails me. I have to either move my cursor to the right doc while continuing to hold down alt-tab, which is well nigh impossible if I'm not using a mouse, or give up and waste more time going to the Activities screen and try to find the right document there, which is also a problem, since the icons all tend to look alike and most of the labels are seriously truncated. So I'm supposed to waste even more time installing and experimenting with alien desktops, gradually learning whether or not they have the features I need? Come on. From fredm@gnome.org Fri Nov 11 13:58:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 229107501C2 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 13:58:06 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.121 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.121 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Yy1XIyIKRNPB for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 13:58:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hkmx01.candishosting.com.cn (hkmx01.candishosting.com.cn [180.92.188.74]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1919D75002C for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 13:57:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by hkmx01.candishosting.com.cn (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2E7E1F4A56 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 21:57:53 +0800 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at hkmx01.candishosting.com.cn Received: from hkmx01.candishosting.com.cn ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (hkmx01.candishosting.com.cn [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id byCI4OecYHBT for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 21:57:52 +0800 (CST) Received: from bjmx03.candishosting.com.cn (bjmx03.candishosting.com.cn [211.147.216.7]) by hkmx01.candishosting.com.cn (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FAD01F4987 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 21:57:52 +0800 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by bjmx03.candishosting.com.cn (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3D53200FA for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 21:57:50 +0800 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bjmx03.candishosting.com.cn Received: from bjmx03.candishosting.com.cn ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bjmx03.candishosting.com.cn [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oI-cFqYbFn5c for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 21:57:48 +0800 (CST) Received: from [192.168.2.101] (unknown [119.121.76.43]) by bjmx03.candishosting.com.cn (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 490241E4F2E for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 21:57:48 +0800 (CST) Message-ID: <4EBD29D5.5020306@gnome.org> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 21:57:41 +0800 From: Frederic Muller User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110930 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: One very unhappy Linux user References: <1321012187.2963.40.camel@escampalaboira.local> <1321018243.2495.30.camel@localhost> In-Reply-To: <1321018243.2495.30.camel@localhost> X-Stationery: 0.7.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 13:58:06 -0000 Those 2 problems are very easily solved in GNOME3 On 11/11/2011 09:30 PM, carpetnailz@researchintegration.org wrote: open > documents that I use everyday or so by just clicking on the desktop > icon, I now have to Icons on desktop can be enabled in GNOME3. > > This is not progress. > > Another: I used to be able to move to a different app/document by > clicking on the document in the bottom panel Now I have to Have you tried ALT+` ? Maybe you should check the cheat sheet here for more tips: https://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/CheatSheet I personally wouldn't want to go back to GNOME2 and the extensions model really enables a lot more people (as in javascript developers) to create customizations for the GNOME desktop. Fred From tr-huso@online.no Fri Nov 11 14:16:23 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D11175002C for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:16:23 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x6eMCifY2xqB for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:16:18 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 3551 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at menubar.gnome.org; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:16:17 UTC Received: from mail46.e.nsc.no (mail46.e.nsc.no [193.213.115.46]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB24D750111 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:16:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [2.148.208.159] (2.148.208.159.tmi.telenormobil.no [2.148.208.159]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail46.nsc.no (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pABDGoMM007714 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:16:50 +0100 (MET) Subject: Re: One very unhappy Linux user From: Trond =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Hus=F8?= To: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: References: <1320988533.2805.11.camel@r-730-linux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Organization: Trond =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Hus=F8?= Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:16:49 +0100 Message-ID: <1321017409.5970.4.camel@trond-e4310> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: tr-huso@online.no List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:16:23 -0000 Could it be that Gnome 3 GUI is different than any other GUI that we've seen and worked with. When Microsoft sent out Windows vista there were some changes from XP, but not that big. Win7 was more or less vista and since the layout of the gui was similar to XP and Vista, adopting to Win7 was a breeze. Now we are looking at Windows8 pre-releases and as I understand it, the concept is very different from XP/Vista/Windows 7. So Microsoft could hit the same wall as Gnome has. What I am really saying is this: Maybe we weren't ready for the new GUI/layout that Gnome3/Unity has given us. I am still on 10.04 LTS (Ubuntu), and so I am still on Gnome2 waiting for the next LTS to arrive which will either have G3 or Unity GUI. Trond From lenzi.sergio@gmail.com Fri Nov 11 14:19:35 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93807750111 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:19:35 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1HnBYm1YGSC6 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:19:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gy0-f182.google.com (mail-gy0-f182.google.com [209.85.160.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3286575002C for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:19:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gyd5 with SMTP id 5so4509647gyd.27 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 06:19:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:in-reply-to:references:disposition-notification-to :content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=ceWTZ/m7hK7KjIRLk1BiFXdv8yLFsQz54NZAygXT7lA=; b=bdx4xWCXFrDOA87apDqXSpU8c66gouCPVmQEC6DyzigGcT8XibJIJi247lqVXejTbp 71/+Bz1Q/h0hXvpC2eqvOnWh3Vhx4YJHvm37TxTfevhS5X6kUVZ2THqAkuQGCMtkDrP4 NqkYo8FFjiKGHGT8uQd2Bmt67Ud59e++m188k= Received: by 10.101.151.28 with SMTP id d28mr5647184ano.153.1321021163476; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 06:19:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.6.230] ([201.21.151.230]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t62sm11513240yht.0.2011.11.11.06.19.21 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 11 Nov 2011 06:19:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: A lot of very unhappy Linux user From: Sergio de Almeida Lenzi To: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <4EBD29D5.5020306@gnome.org> References: <1321012187.2963.40.camel@escampalaboira.local> <1321018243.2495.30.camel@localhost> <4EBD29D5.5020306@gnome.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-oMYI69+wD7JTetCj2AaH" Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 12:19:19 -0200 Message-ID: <1321021159.26707.9.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:19:35 -0000 --=-oMYI69+wD7JTetCj2AaH Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Em Sex, 2011-11-11 às 21:57 +0800, Frederic Muller escreveu: > Those 2 problems are very easily solved in GNOME3 > > On 11/11/2011 09:30 PM, carpetnailz@researchintegration.org wrote: > open > > documents that I use everyday or so by just clicking on the desktop > > icon, I now have to > > Icons on desktop can be enabled in GNOME3. > > > > > This is not progress. > > > > Another: I used to be able to move to a different app/document by > > clicking on the document in the bottom panel Now I have to > > Have you tried ALT+` ? Maybe you should check the cheat sheet here for > more tips: > > https://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/CheatSheet ok... but if you do not have the gnomeshell?? what about those 200 desktops that are unable to display 3D??? I bought several (20) diskless stations Intel Atom N525.. and linux is unable to start the 3D in the chipset, only vesa is supported... If I switch to gnome3, the company would stop, and I will be fired.. Besides, running a 3D desktop using remote X (xdmcp) over the network I do not say it is possible, or if will overload the 100Mbits network > > I personally wouldn't want to go back to GNOME2 and the extensions model > really enables a lot more people (as in javascript developers) to create > customizations for the GNOME desktop. > good for you that have 3D desktop, time, will, and you are a skilled person that could make it work... --=-oMYI69+wD7JTetCj2AaH Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Em Sex, 2011-11-11 às 21:57 +0800, Frederic Muller escreveu: 
Those 2 problems are very easily solved in GNOME3

On 11/11/2011 09:30 PM, carpetnailz@researchintegration.org wrote:
  open
> documents that I use everyday or so by just clicking on the desktop
> icon, I now have to

Icons on desktop can be enabled in GNOME3.

>
> This is not progress.
>
> Another: I used to be able to move to a different app/document by
> clicking on the document in the bottom panel Now I have to

Have you tried ALT+` ? Maybe you should check the cheat sheet here for 
more tips:

https://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/CheatSheet
ok... but if you do not have the gnomeshell??  what about those
200 desktops that are unable to display 3D???

I bought several (20) diskless stations Intel Atom N525..   and  linux
is unable to start the 3D in the chipset, only vesa is supported...
If I switch to gnome3, the company would stop, and I will be fired..

Besides, running a 3D desktop using remote X (xdmcp)  over the network
I do not say it is possible, or if will overload the 100Mbits network 

I personally wouldn't want to go back to GNOME2 and the extensions model 
really enables a lot more people (as in javascript developers) to create 
customizations for the GNOME desktop.
good for you that have 3D desktop, time, will, and you are a skilled person that
could make it work...



--=-oMYI69+wD7JTetCj2AaH-- From olav@vitters.nl Fri Nov 11 14:19:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E278775002C for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:19:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B2UCfKrkLtYP for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:19:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fep19.mx.upcmail.net (fep19.mx.upcmail.net [62.179.121.39]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFA14750111 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:19:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edge02.upcmail.net ([192.168.13.237]) by viefep19-int.chello.at (InterMail vM.8.01.02.02 201-2260-120-106-20100312) with ESMTP id <20111111141944.KJTM2111.viefep19-int.chello.at@edge02.upcmail.net> for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 15:19:44 +0100 Received: from bkor.dhs.org ([62.195.84.29]) by edge02.upcmail.net with edge id vqKi1h03N0dyCrA02qKjUK; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 15:19:44 +0100 X-SourceIP: 62.195.84.29 Received: by bkor.dhs.org (Postfix, from userid 501) id EF0F6500351; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 15:17:46 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 15:17:46 +0100 From: Olav Vitters To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: One very unhappy Linux user Message-ID: <20111111141746.GG15622@bkor.dhs.org> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <1320988533.2805.11.camel@r-730-linux> <1321017409.5970.4.camel@trond-e4310> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1321017409.5970.4.camel@trond-e4310> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=7AjrSHUygkxmgKj9+ZdWPzZoKYzIcpgZMIt1Yxqn8hE= c=1 sm=0 a=wom5GMh1gUkA:10 a=N1AoRaX-S3EA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=RgoRKVY2UJ5jJzjHjbQA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:19:59 -0000 On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 02:16:49PM +0100, Trond Husø wrote: > I am still on 10.04 LTS (Ubuntu), and so I am still on Gnome2 waiting > for the next LTS to arrive which will either have G3 or Unity GUI. Default will be Unity. The GNOME 3 bits are a combination of GNOME 3.0 (totem), 3.2 (evolution, others) and 3.4. Learned this from the UDS GNOME track video. -- Regards, Olav From gaelic@luchmhor.net Fri Nov 11 14:22:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ACF1750111 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:22:59 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.698 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.698 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N8aAfzEtfO2M for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:22:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8209D75002C for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:22:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by faar19 with SMTP id r19so7642450faa.27 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 06:22:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.105.83 with SMTP id gk19mr6945669lab.30.1321021364061; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 06:22:44 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: gaelic@luchmhor.net Received: by 10.152.42.135 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 06:22:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1321018243.2495.30.camel@localhost> References: <1321012187.2963.40.camel@escampalaboira.local> <1321018243.2495.30.camel@localhost> From: x y Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 15:22:22 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: S_cIH-DSeESc8Rog9C7WbKx4rpg Message-ID: Subject: Re: One very unhappy Linux user To: gnome-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:22:59 -0000 On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 2:30 PM, carpetnailz@researchintegration.org wrote: > Think of all the time wasted by the (hundreds of thousands of?) users > all over the world trying to relearn how to use their major, everyday > tool! Steve Jobs reportedly reminded his developers early on something > like this: If it takes 10 extra seconds to boot Mac, multiply that by > the millions or users all over the world once or twice a day. > > Specifically re Gnome 3 failure: Whereas I used to be able to open > documents that I use everyday or so by just clicking on the desktop > icon, I now have to > 1. Find the app icon in my Dash--on my 10" relatively hi-res screen, > that can take time, since the icons are very small. > 2. Click on the app in the dash and wait while it opens. > 3. Take time to go to "File," click "Open", find my document and click > on it to open it. So you're not using Gnome3 efficiently: you can also use "win"+ part of document name, or the Documents Function which organizes the Documents and you find recent Docs, and so on. > > This is not progress. > > Another: I used to be able to move to a different app/document by > clicking on the document in the bottom panel Now I have to > 1. Alt-tab to get the screen that has the different apps > 2. Continue to alt-tab till I've selected the right app. > 3. If I'm lucky, the new app/document now can be worked on. > 4. But what if I have more than one document open in that app? Then > alt-tab fails me. I have to either move my cursor to the right doc while > continuing to hold down alt-tab, which is well nigh impossible if I'm > not using a mouse, or give up and waste more time going to the > Activities screen and try to find the right document there, which is > also a problem, since the icons all tend to look alike and most of the > labels are seriously truncated. Just press the "Win" Key and you see all Windows of the Desktop. You can also install the "Alt-tab" Extension to modify the behaviour > > So I'm supposed to waste even more time installing and experimenting > with alien desktops, gradually learning whether or not they have the > features I need? You don't have to waste any time. You just have to adopt a little bit. > > Come on. > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list > From olav@vitters.nl Fri Nov 11 14:29:42 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C43947501E4 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:29:42 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aIUhRryAHZmp for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:29:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fep12.mx.upcmail.net (fep12.mx.upcmail.net [62.179.121.32]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5859175000A for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:29:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edge02.upcmail.net ([192.168.13.237]) by viefep12-int.chello.at (InterMail vM.8.01.02.02 201-2260-120-106-20100312) with ESMTP id <20111111142928.RGK1724.viefep12-int.chello.at@edge02.upcmail.net> for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 15:29:28 +0100 Received: from bkor.dhs.org ([62.195.84.29]) by edge02.upcmail.net with edge id vqVS1h02X0dyCrA02qVUlQ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 15:29:28 +0100 X-SourceIP: 62.195.84.29 Received: by bkor.dhs.org (Postfix, from userid 501) id 4F499500351; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 15:27:30 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 15:27:30 +0100 From: Olav Vitters To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: A lot of very unhappy Linux user Message-ID: <20111111142729.GH15622@bkor.dhs.org> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <1321012187.2963.40.camel@escampalaboira.local> <1321018243.2495.30.camel@localhost> <4EBD29D5.5020306@gnome.org> <1321021159.26707.9.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1321021159.26707.9.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=7AjrSHUygkxmgKj9+ZdWPzZoKYzIcpgZMIt1Yxqn8hE= c=1 sm=0 a=wom5GMh1gUkA:10 a=zhwjPHwoMWwA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=qD-TK2x7gBEFNloxWpQA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:29:43 -0000 On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 12:19:19PM -0200, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi wrote: > ok... but if you do not have the gnomeshell?? what about those > 200 desktops that are unable to display 3D??? > > I bought several (20) diskless stations Intel Atom N525.. and linux > is unable to start the 3D in the chipset, only vesa is supported... Why buy something without a supported driver? VESA is usually really slow. Anyway, work is underway to get software rendering workable. It is already working in Fedora rawhide, but no time has been spent on optimization, only to make it work. Next up is checking for speed and seeing if gnome-shell should assist in making it easier (e.g. maybe automatically not show shadows in case it is slow to do so). > Besides, running a 3D desktop using remote X (xdmcp) over the network > I do not say it is possible, or if will overload the 100Mbits network It should just be made more efficient. It is not a 3D desktop though, it just has compositing. -- Regards, Olav From gaelic@luchmhor.net Fri Nov 11 14:40:03 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A30A750111 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:40:03 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, MISSING_HEADERS=1.021, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, TW_DH=0.077] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mNqshXiprXd4 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:40:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A869675000A for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:39:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyf23 with SMTP id 23so2967154wyf.27 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 06:39:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.204.141 with SMTP id fm13mr8391195wbb.12.1321022390141; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 06:39:50 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: gaelic@luchmhor.net Received: by 10.227.151.208 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 06:39:29 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1321021159.26707.9.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> References: <1321012187.2963.40.camel@escampalaboira.local> <1321018243.2495.30.camel@localhost> <4EBD29D5.5020306@gnome.org> <1321021159.26707.9.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> From: x y Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 15:39:29 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: eUlFaIqK5smVDDjWmzXpFuGt9SE Message-ID: Subject: Re: A lot of very unhappy Linux user Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:40:03 -0000 On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi wrote: > Em Sex, 2011-11-11 =C3=A0s 21:57 +0800, Frederic Muller escreveu: > > Those 2 problems are very easily solved in GNOME3 > > On 11/11/2011 09:30 PM, carpetnailz@researchintegration.org wrote: > open >> documents that I use everyday or so by just clicking on the desktop >> icon, I now have to > > Icons on desktop can be enabled in GNOME3. > >> >> This is not progress. >> >> Another: I used to be able to move to a different app/document by >> clicking on the document in the bottom panel Now I have to > > Have you tried ALT+` ? Maybe you should check the cheat sheet here for > more tips: > > https://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/CheatSheet > > ok... but if you do not have the gnomeshell??=C2=A0 what about those > 200 desktops that are unable to display 3D??? > They will either go to fallback mode, or (if you wait for 3.4, at least i beieve it is planned) 3dhw is not mandatory anymore. > I bought several (20) diskless stations Intel Atom N525..=C2=A0=C2=A0 and= =C2=A0 linux > is unable to start the 3D in the chipset, only vesa is supported... > If I switch to gnome3, the company would stop, and I will be fired.. > > Besides, running a 3D desktop using remote X (xdmcp)=C2=A0 over the netwo= rk > I do not say it is possible, or if will overload the 100Mbits network nope, why should 3d overload the network? > > I personally wouldn't want to go back to GNOME2 and the extensions model > really enables a lot more people (as in javascript developers) to create > customizations for the GNOME desktop. > > good for you that have 3D desktop, time, will, and you are a skilled pers= on > that > could make it work... > > > > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list > > From lenzi.sergio@gmail.com Fri Nov 11 15:15:54 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2BCB7500DE for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 15:15:54 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.622 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.622 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_DH=0.077] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TpJO+VsgymM2 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 15:15:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 922B975000A for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 15:15:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ggnk3 with SMTP id k3so6614078ggn.27 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 07:15:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:in-reply-to:references:disposition-notification-to :content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=efEYNfojYLf6gm4p6KLsyuWY6HmsYxTS5L9L0YEBOj4=; b=klHQcmSW0gOOocJV86wICMvRWCpkigNvYwreVd4wfFRO/E4pEfNKS1pgCMW1wGqbx2 DxDLkzJsNSOaiRDXAwRkO6Qqa6jdtLXCmvzYYCnxUEjknSkHYMWVHDwU7+sTh/HRnQyq W7pdDpQXqLoGhD2gdYjdSsB+H0UUq5gqDiXDU= Received: by 10.101.165.10 with SMTP id s10mr5881143ano.47.1321024542561; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 07:15:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.6.230] ([201.21.151.230]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l18sm5482102anb.22.2011.11.11.07.15.40 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 11 Nov 2011 07:15:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: A lot of very unhappy Linux user From: Sergio de Almeida Lenzi To: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: References: <1321012187.2963.40.camel@escampalaboira.local> <1321018243.2495.30.camel@localhost> <4EBD29D5.5020306@gnome.org> <1321021159.26707.9.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-P+jmY5n746aCgE1xu6VR" Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 13:15:38 -0200 Message-ID: <1321024538.26707.22.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 15:15:55 -0000 --=-P+jmY5n746aCgE1xu6VR Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > ok... but if you do not have the gnomeshell?? what about those > > 200 desktops that are unable to display 3D??? > > > > They will either go to fallback mode, or (if you wait for 3.4, at > least i beieve it is planned) 3dhw is not mandatory anymore. > WOW... finally a good news... now just wait for a working panel (a one I can customize...) ... --=-P+jmY5n746aCgE1xu6VR Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> ok... but if you do not have the gnomeshell??  what about those
> 200 desktops that are unable to display 3D???
>

They will either go to fallback mode, or (if you wait for 3.4, at
least i beieve it is planned) 3dhw is not mandatory anymore.

WOW... finally a good news... now just wait for a working panel (a one I can
customize...) ...

--=-P+jmY5n746aCgE1xu6VR-- From ersaloz@gmail.com Fri Nov 11 15:54:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2B6875002C for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 15:54:08 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8QPjuauQUD1F for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 15:54:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88F247500E9 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 15:53:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyf23 with SMTP id 23so3096445wyf.27 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 07:53:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:subject:from:to:date:in-reply-to:references:content-type :x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=+x/5Fd3IOcNkS+KyIKS8un+7ULivGNRvkl6FVvwNzF8=; b=sAjm23fRWnZAaIHXMGhtg/tfOzBWKZO42uRCJnT44elzIbEMZP/K0JyRekpvsRPmJ0 Gj3gkMKxtgSDAPdu535PHZIXt76uNOv0Fen8a4Glr6bxm5t3NqG+mIHYzvuNvhH0IIAX tlYs/Fglg1TUAvCERSA9GyrsumoxuQYOO0o8Y= Received: by 10.216.229.93 with SMTP id g71mr250619weq.44.1321026836218; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 07:53:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.201] (110.Red-81-39-55.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net. [81.39.55.110]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id en13sm13937730wbb.22.2011.11.11.07.53.54 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 11 Nov 2011 07:53:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1321026832.2963.86.camel@escampalaboira.local> Subject: Re: A lot of very unhappy Linux user From: Ernest Sales To: gnome-list@gnome.org Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 16:53:52 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.0.3-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 15:54:08 -0000 > Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 12:19:19 -0200 > From: Sergio de Almeida Lenzi [...] > ok... but if you do not have the gnomeshell?? what about those > 200 desktops that are unable to display 3D??? > > I bought several (20) diskless stations Intel Atom N525.. and linux > is unable to start the 3D in the chipset, only vesa is supported... > If I switch to gnome3, the company would stop, and I will be fired.. I have got an old laptop running vesa graphics. In this machine GNOME 3 went to fallback mode, which is sort of an hybrid: you have menus in the top panel, a windows list at the bottom, but no desktop. > Besides, running a 3D desktop using remote X (xdmcp) over the network > I do not say it is possible, or if will overload the 100Mbits network Tried Desktop Sharing with that laptop as server and worked fine, but the other way round, with a full GNOME 3 as server, is unusable. Don't know how this would perform with a more powerful client. 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[81.39.55.110]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x8sm7156096wix.17.2011.11.11.08.00.16 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 11 Nov 2011 08:00:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1321027215.2963.90.camel@escampalaboira.local> Subject: Re: One very unhappy Linux user From: Ernest Sales To: gnome-list@gnome.org Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:00:15 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.0.3-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 16:00:21 -0000 > Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 08:30:41 -0500 > From: "carpetnailz@researchintegration.org" > [...] > Another: I used to be able to move to a different app/document by > clicking on the document in the bottom panel Now I have to > 1. Alt-tab to get the screen that has the different apps > 2. Continue to alt-tab till I've selected the right app. > 3. If I'm lucky, the new app/document now can be worked on. > 4. But what if I have more than one document open in that app? Then > alt-tab fails me. I have to either move my cursor to the right doc while > continuing to hold down alt-tab, which is well nigh impossible if I'm > not using a mouse, or give up and waste more time going to the > Activities screen and try to find the right document there, which is > also a problem, since the icons all tend to look alike and most of the > labels are seriously truncated. The hot corner is your friend: "The hot corner is the corner at the top left of the screen. When you move the pointer to this corner, the activities overview opens." From czarkoff@gmail.com Wed Nov 9 21:38:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03E9A7501D1; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 21:38:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4sRMCB34gpXK; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 21:38:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BF4F7501E1; Wed, 9 Nov 2011 21:38:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by faar19 with SMTP id r19so4059652faa.27 for ; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 13:38:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:subject:from:to:date:disposition-notification-to :organization:content-type:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding :mime-version; bh=1SyjeDJbmXJeXymRKgqCJbeoVe7FXxG4Bhp/DhcOCfI=; b=hx+KLzw98Gn5GPPKnhkkpyvQTPXOJXHbCUDOustRz7nC4IA2mRPk6Ki0vW0SuoXE9Z E/wZMJJhrt1nm+bRtjRASijyofXQqXlVzyxzGoX1XS5o0ViiJRxf71E4xPIVsrMoaLhX pwNE8SQ/SRvXNIrAHKJvw9Ei+ZIqCNz0Pw7n4= Received: by 10.152.110.99 with SMTP id hz3mr2832171lab.29.1320874715266; Wed, 09 Nov 2011 13:38:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([46.33.222.204]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ps2sm5285346lab.12.2011.11.09.13.38.33 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 09 Nov 2011 13:38:34 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1320874711.4695.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Subject: ftp:// handling From: "Dmitrij D. Czarkoff" To: epiphany-list@gnome.org, "gnome-list@gnome.org" Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 22:38:31 +0100 Organization: "SUPERUSER" d.o.o. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.2.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 16:03:32 +0000 X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 21:38:48 -0000 Hello! As everyone might have noticed, the ftp:// links aren't supported in Epiphany. Is there any way to set an external URI handler for them either in Epiphany or in GNOME? Does GNOME infrastructure have the URI handler settings? Does Epiphany support it? P.S.: Sorry for cross-posting, I don't know the proper list for that, as a question may have a solution in either place. P.P.S.: I know about the corresponding bugs in Epiphany bugzilla, but they don't give enough info about the problem and I don't want to pollute them with discussion. P.P.P.S.: I'm not on list, please include me in TO or CC. -- Dmitrij D. Czarkoff From brian@interlinx.bc.ca Fri Nov 11 15:26:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E04417500DE for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 15:26:08 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.102 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.102 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.201, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FXOWBmr3Hbsy for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 15:26:07 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 457 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at menubar.gnome.org; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 15:26:07 UTC Received: from linux.interlinx.bc.ca (mail.interlinx.bc.ca [66.11.173.224]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3819C75002C for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 15:25:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.75.23.192] (unknown [10.75.23.192]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by linux.interlinx.bc.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1A1528011 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:18:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: A lot of very unhappy Linux user From: "Brian J. Murrell" To: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1321024538.26707.22.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> References: <1321012187.2963.40.camel@escampalaboira.local> <1321018243.2495.30.camel@localhost> <4EBD29D5.5020306@gnome.org> <1321021159.26707.9.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <1321024538.26707.22.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:18:18 -0500 Message-ID: <1321024698.20780.14.camel@brian-laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 16:03:47 +0000 X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 15:26:09 -0000 On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 13:15 -0200, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi wrote: > WOW... finally a good news... now just wait for a working panel (a one > I can > customize...) ... And desktop and window selection that only requires a single click (or two at most) of a mouse rather than multiple clicks and/or having to memorize forty-eleven keyboard shortcuts. b. From gaelic@luchmhor.net Fri Nov 11 17:32:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE84075008A for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:32:06 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.621 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.621 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, TW_DH=0.077] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sfqc7XxW3bZR for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:32:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wy0-f182.google.com (mail-wy0-f182.google.com [74.125.82.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BC5E75002C for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:31:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wyf23 with SMTP id 23so3276113wyf.27 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 09:31:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.208.77 with SMTP id gb13mr9373931wbb.4.1321032714170; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 09:31:54 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: gaelic@luchmhor.net Received: by 10.227.151.208 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 09:31:33 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1321024538.26707.22.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> References: <1321012187.2963.40.camel@escampalaboira.local> <1321018243.2495.30.camel@localhost> <4EBD29D5.5020306@gnome.org> <1321021159.26707.9.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <1321024538.26707.22.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> From: x y Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 18:31:33 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: F9Lxln7weKXTvuE05XzefQgutNM Message-ID: Subject: Re: A lot of very unhappy Linux user To: Sergio de Almeida Lenzi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:32:07 -0000 On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi wrote: > >> ok... but if you do not have the gnomeshell??=C2=A0 what about those >> 200 desktops that are unable to display 3D??? >> > > They will either go to fallback mode, or (if you wait for 3.4, at > least i beieve it is planned) 3dhw is not mandatory anymore. > > WOW... finally a good news... now just wait for a working panel (a one I = can > customize...) ... The Devs of Linux Mint work on a couple of Extensions which will somehow make the Gnome-Shell more feel & look like Gnome2 ... but it may take some time ... > > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list > > From mikus@bga.com Fri Nov 11 17:48:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66DB975008A for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:48:00 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rliOixBSSB8o for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:47:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 984 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at menubar.gnome.org; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:47:58 UTC Received: from mail4.comsite.net (mail4.comsite.net [205.238.176.238]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 396CD75002C for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:47:49 +0000 (UTC) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=forwardok (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=70.253.95.203; Received: from [192.168.1.1] (unverified [70.253.95.203]) by mail4.comsite.net (Comsite International, Inc. Advanced E-Mail Services) with ESMTP id 12882536-1844257 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 11:31:23 -0600 Message-ID: <4EBD5C4C.5090103@bga.com> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 11:33:00 -0600 From: Mikus Grinbergs Organization: Gone Walkabout User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.18) Gecko/20110616 SUSE/3.1.11 Thunderbird/3.1.11 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: One very unhappy Linux user References: <1321027215.2963.90.camel@escampalaboira.local> In-Reply-To: <1321027215.2963.90.camel@escampalaboira.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authenticated-User: mikus@realtime.net X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: mikus@bga.com List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:48:00 -0000 > The hot corner is your friend: > "The hot corner is the corner at the top left of the screen. When you > move the pointer to this corner, the activities overview opens." I do not know whether the problem is in Fedora 15 or in Gnome 3 -- but for me the activities overview opens unexpectedly (several times a day) when the cursor is NOWHERE NEAR the hot corner. (I wonder whether a "cursor acceleration gesture" is enough to trigger that hot spot ?) Is there a Gnome 3 extension that will turn off the hot corner, so that I am not interrupted by the activities overview while moving the cursor between windows (within the screen - not anywhere near hot corner) ? Thanks, mikus From lenzi.sergio@gmail.com Fri Nov 11 20:27:24 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5BAA7501E6 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 20:27:24 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eiLcYqSKpiOd for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 20:27:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9F6E75009E for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 20:27:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ggnk3 with SMTP id k3so7056015ggn.27 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 12:27:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:in-reply-to:references:disposition-notification-to :content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=pNft2ET3cjqTHlETLW18ArELx2uedTncYXJ4fbrVO8k=; b=m2+hGvIOf4kcpM428UiWcsarDQZ2XGeBA/fmuqnzbS1bTdEzILL/p7xbgk4R9Ru8UC d/rW7kXFxIpPrObCu1rPEW8POhcZpdlmNhbg6iKp2M5igdgeEo0amnoEvobTFypYNfwY xydFOtQtX95xuqJFlVckaGKVFzyL/wrBzBBag= Received: by 10.101.132.21 with SMTP id j21mr6048676ann.131.1321043232845; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 12:27:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.6.230] ([201.21.151.230]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm36754714ano.9.2011.11.11.12.27.10 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 11 Nov 2011 12:27:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: A lot of very unhappy Linux users (a dream) From: Sergio de Almeida Lenzi To: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1321024698.20780.14.camel@brian-laptop> References: <1321012187.2963.40.camel@escampalaboira.local> <1321018243.2495.30.camel@localhost> <4EBD29D5.5020306@gnome.org> <1321021159.26707.9.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <1321024538.26707.22.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <1321024698.20780.14.camel@brian-laptop> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-kSohzpOubjzQ02XefVNd" Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 18:27:05 -0200 Message-ID: <1321043227.26707.40.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 20:27:25 -0000 --=-kSohzpOubjzQ02XefVNd Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Em Sex, 2011-11-11 às 10:18 -0500, Brian J. Murrell escreveu: > On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 13:15 -0200, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi wrote: > > WOW... finally a good news... now just wait for a working panel (a one > > I can > > customize...) ... > > And desktop and window selection that only requires a single click (or > two at most) of a mouse rather than multiple clicks and/or having to > memorize forty-eleven keyboard shortcuts. > > b. > Yes.. that would be a must... I dream of a desktop enviroment that I could with only a click on an icon.. and the things would get done. a click on a pdf => the document is shown a click on an image -> image shown and can be printed a click on an video -> the video is played and I can even take a snapshot of the video a click on a opendocument, and the document is opened in libreoffice... a click on the mouse in the panel and I can insert, delete move, create shortcuts, install a lot of applets.. and use it ... I could change the backgound, the mouse cursor shape, I can change the panel background, change size, all with ONE or TWO mouse clicks... the icons are in the Desktop, and I can change/customize the icons... remember: ONLI WITH A MOUSE CLICK... I dream... RRRRRiiiing WAKEUP !!!! what a pity it was just a dream I dreamed of the obsolete gnome 2.32... --=-kSohzpOubjzQ02XefVNd Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Em Sex, 2011-11-11 às 10:18 -0500, Brian J. Murrell escreveu: 
On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 13:15 -0200, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi wrote:
> WOW... finally a good news... now just wait for a working panel (a one
> I can
> customize...) ...

And desktop and window selection that only requires a single click (or
two at most) of a mouse rather than multiple clicks and/or having to
memorize forty-eleven keyboard shortcuts.

b.
Yes.. that would be a must...
I dream of a desktop enviroment that I could with
only a click on an icon.. and the  things would get done.

a click on a pdf =>  the document is shown
a click on an image -> image shown and can be printed
a click on an video ->  the video is played and I can even take a snapshot of the video
a click on a opendocument, and the document is opened in libreoffice...
a click on the mouse in the panel and I can insert, delete move, create shortcuts,
install a lot of applets.. and use it ...
I could change the backgound, the mouse cursor shape, I can change the
panel background, change size, all with ONE or TWO mouse clicks...
the icons are in the Desktop, and I can change/customize the icons...
remember: ONLI WITH A MOUSE CLICK... 
I dream...  RRRRRiiiing 
WAKEUP !!!!
what a pity it was just a dream
I dreamed of  the obsolete  gnome 2.32...



--=-kSohzpOubjzQ02XefVNd-- From svante.signell@telia.com Fri Nov 11 20:43:57 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DFA2750180 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 20:43:57 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0+tDaoXdFeWF for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 20:43:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-out11.han.skanova.net (smtp-out11.han.skanova.net [195.67.226.200]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C68C75009E for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 20:43:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (213.65.186.64) by smtp-out11.han.skanova.net (8.5.133) (authenticated as u84406617) id 4E79D7E2013EA264; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 21:43:43 +0100 Message-ID: <1321044222.3649.2.camel@x60> Subject: Re: A lot of very unhappy Linux user From: Svante Signell To: gnome-list@gnome.org Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 21:43:42 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: <1321012187.2963.40.camel@escampalaboira.local> <1321018243.2495.30.camel@localhost> <4EBD29D5.5020306@gnome.org> <1321021159.26707.9.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <1321024538.26707.22.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> Organization: Hemma Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.0.3-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: svante.signell@telia.com List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 20:43:57 -0000 On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 18:31 +0100, x y wrote: > On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi > wrote: > > > >> ok... but if you do not have the gnomeshell?? what about those > >> 200 desktops that are unable to display 3D??? Where is the netspeed applet? And why does pidgin not work any longer (not finding a connection that is there?) From svante.signell@telia.com Fri Nov 11 20:48:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A21A750180 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 20:48:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.523 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.523 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, TW_GD=0.077] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8e4RNG9JriWg for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 20:48:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-out21.han.skanova.net (smtp-out21.han.skanova.net [195.67.226.208]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A09475009E for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 20:48:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (213.65.186.64) by smtp-out21.han.skanova.net (8.5.133) (authenticated as u84406617) id 4E79D85B013E420C; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 21:48:32 +0100 Message-ID: <1321044511.3649.5.camel@x60> Subject: Re: A lot of very unhappy Linux user From: Svante Signell To: gnome-list@gnome.org Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 21:48:31 +0100 In-Reply-To: <1321044222.3649.2.camel@x60> References: <1321012187.2963.40.camel@escampalaboira.local> <1321018243.2495.30.camel@localhost> <4EBD29D5.5020306@gnome.org> <1321021159.26707.9.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <1321024538.26707.22.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <1321044222.3649.2.camel@x60> Organization: Hemma Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.0.3-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: svante.signell@telia.com List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 20:48:44 -0000 On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 21:43 +0100, Svante Signell wrote: > On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 18:31 +0100, x y wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi > > wrote: > > > > > >> ok... but if you do not have the gnomeshell?? what about those > > >> 200 desktops that are unable to display 3D??? > > Where is the netspeed applet? And why does pidgin not work any longer > (not finding a connection that is there?) And how do I get rid if the annoying sounds? I did not set it in gnome2. And why do I have tow users when logging in to gdm3 after the upgrade, how to resolve that? From svante.signell@telia.com Fri Nov 11 20:56:42 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5EA9750180 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 20:56:42 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.523 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.523 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, TW_GD=0.077] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XVuXyM0ZS+uZ for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 20:56:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-out12.han.skanova.net (smtp-out12.han.skanova.net [195.67.226.212]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A48B075009E for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 20:56:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (213.65.186.64) by smtp-out12.han.skanova.net (8.5.133) (authenticated as u84406617) id 4E79D83A00EA11EA; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 21:56:29 +0100 Message-ID: <1321044987.3649.9.camel@x60> Subject: Re: A lot of very unhappy Linux user From: Svante Signell To: gnome-list@gnome.org Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 21:56:27 +0100 In-Reply-To: <1321044511.3649.5.camel@x60> References: <1321012187.2963.40.camel@escampalaboira.local> <1321018243.2495.30.camel@localhost> <4EBD29D5.5020306@gnome.org> <1321021159.26707.9.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <1321024538.26707.22.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <1321044222.3649.2.camel@x60> <1321044511.3649.5.camel@x60> Organization: Hemma Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.0.3-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: svante.signell@telia.com List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 20:56:43 -0000 On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 21:48 +0100, Svante Signell wrote: > On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 21:43 +0100, Svante Signell wrote: > > On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 18:31 +0100, x y wrote: > > > On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> ok... but if you do not have the gnomeshell?? what about those > > > >> 200 desktops that are unable to display 3D??? > > > > Where is the netspeed applet? And why does pidgin not work any longer > > (not finding a connection that is there?) > > And how do I get rid if the annoying sounds? I did not set it in > gnome2. And why do I have tow users when logging in to gdm3 after the > upgrade, how to resolve that? And where do I set the time/date views? I'm not fond of US AM/PM style in gdm3 login window, and in in the only panel left, how to show the date in addition to the time? Have you ever considered the settings from gnome2 being upgraded to gnome3??? :-( From svante.signell@telia.com Fri Nov 11 23:29:21 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F08A75009E for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 23:29:21 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.523 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.523 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, TW_GD=0.077] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uyR559Tf4UQW for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 23:29:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-out21.han.skanova.net (smtp-out21.han.skanova.net [195.67.226.208]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD89C75002C for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 23:29:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (213.65.186.64) by smtp-out21.han.skanova.net (8.5.133) (authenticated as u84406617) id 4E79D85B013EA260; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 00:29:06 +0100 Message-ID: <1321054143.3649.12.camel@x60> Subject: Re: A lot of very unhappy Linux user From: Svante Signell To: gnome-list@gnome.org Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 00:29:03 +0100 In-Reply-To: <1321044987.3649.9.camel@x60> References: <1321012187.2963.40.camel@escampalaboira.local> <1321018243.2495.30.camel@localhost> <4EBD29D5.5020306@gnome.org> <1321021159.26707.9.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <1321024538.26707.22.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <1321044222.3649.2.camel@x60> <1321044511.3649.5.camel@x60> <1321044987.3649.9.camel@x60> Organization: Hemma Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.0.3-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: svante.signell@telia.com List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 23:29:21 -0000 No replies? Not from users, nor developers. Something is definitely wrong here. Thanks! On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 21:56 +0100, Svante Signell wrote: > On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 21:48 +0100, Svante Signell wrote: > > On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 21:43 +0100, Svante Signell wrote: > > > On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 18:31 +0100, x y wrote: > > > > On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> ok... but if you do not have the gnomeshell?? what about those > > > > >> 200 desktops that are unable to display 3D??? > > > > > > Where is the netspeed applet? And why does pidgin not work any longer > > > (not finding a connection that is there?) > > > > And how do I get rid if the annoying sounds? I did not set it in > > gnome2. And why do I have tow users when logging in to gdm3 after the > > upgrade, how to resolve that? > > And where do I set the time/date views? I'm not fond of US AM/PM style > in gdm3 login window, and in in the only panel left, how to show the > date in addition to the time? Have you ever considered the settings from > gnome2 being upgraded to gnome3??? :-( > > > > From lichengtai@gmail.com Sat Nov 12 01:33:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00DD875002C for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 01:33:33 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.445 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.445 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GD=0.077, TW_GT=0.077] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EtLqRcL5kyjH for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 01:33:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pz0-f44.google.com (mail-pz0-f44.google.com [209.85.210.44]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37870750009 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 01:33:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pzk33 with SMTP id 33so12405375pzk.3 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:33:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=GSojYhSziW3foajsAWw2YL3keUncNvrFnG1v3KkUvFM=; b=sVeCiXd8GvNQdgW8q5G86m8cE3MUqc1+YgbvAZnkKYpx4bbh8Gsd7HQAYWiovCl27n +PaCUkn7t4X9EmlfawRWO74uShcd2RkdF1KQGFlaoar/A8vGxn3piw/zjWoC3hSGv1P7 UhqegQIy/OhXcK+zzxBLdmeXFFxYpA+CrXdpY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.23.130 with SMTP id m2mr28455496pbf.120.1321061600468; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:33:20 -0800 (PST) Sender: lichengtai@gmail.com Received: by 10.68.58.227 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:33:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1321054143.3649.12.camel@x60> References: <1321012187.2963.40.camel@escampalaboira.local> <1321018243.2495.30.camel@localhost> <4EBD29D5.5020306@gnome.org> <1321021159.26707.9.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <1321024538.26707.22.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <1321044222.3649.2.camel@x60> <1321044511.3649.5.camel@x60> <1321044987.3649.9.camel@x60> <1321054143.3649.12.camel@x60> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:33:20 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: oLmlIJIDycaj8vbRwCu8U76re4w Message-ID: Subject: Re: A lot of very unhappy Linux user From: Andy Tai To: svante.signell@telia.com, gnome-list@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec5215d376c1ebc04b17f9f0e X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 01:33:33 -0000 --bcaec5215d376c1ebc04b17f9f0e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Try LXDE. gtk3 based but GNOME2 like. works well for me. On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Svante Signell w= rote: > No replies? > > Not from users, nor developers. Something is definitely wrong here. > > Thanks! > > On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 21:56 +0100, Svante Signell wrote: > > On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 21:48 +0100, Svante Signell wrote: > > > On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 21:43 +0100, Svante Signell wrote: > > > > On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 18:31 +0100, x y wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> ok... but if you do not have the gnomeshell?? what about thos= e > > > > > >> 200 desktops that are unable to display 3D??? > > > > > > > > Where is the netspeed applet? And why does pidgin not work any long= er > > > > (not finding a connection that is there?) > > > > > > And how do I get rid if the annoying sounds? I did not set it in > > > gnome2. And why do I have tow users when logging in to gdm3 after the > > > upgrade, how to resolve that? > > > > And where do I set the time/date views? I'm not fond of US AM/PM style > > in gdm3 login window, and in in the only panel left, how to show the > > date in addition to the time? Have you ever considered the settings fro= m > > gnome2 being upgraded to gnome3??? :-( > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list > --=20 Andy Tai, atai@atai.org, Skype: licheng.tai Year 2011 =E6=B0=91=E5=9C=8B100=E5=B9=B4 =E8=87=AA=E5=8B=95=E7=9A=84=E7=B2=BE=E7=A5=9E=E5=8A=9B=E6=98=AF=E4=BF=A1=E4= =BB=B0=E8=88=87=E8=A6=BA=E6=82=9F =E8=87=AA=E5=8B=95=E7=9A=84=E8=A1=8C=E7=82=BA=E5=8A=9B=E6=98=AF=E5=8B=9E=E5= =8B=95=E8=88=87=E6=8A=80=E8=83=BD --bcaec5215d376c1ebc04b17f9f0e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Try LXDE.=C2=A0 gtk3 based but GNOME2 like.=C2=A0 works well for me.
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Svante Signell= <svante.s= ignell@telia.com> wrote:
No replies?

Not from users, nor developers. Something is definitely wrong here.

Thanks!

On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 21:56 +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 21:48 +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
> > On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 21:43 +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
> > > On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 18:31 +0100, x y wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Sergio de Almeida Lenz= i
> > > > <lenzi.ser= gio@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> ok... but if you do not have the gnomeshell?? = =C2=A0what about those
> > > > >> 200 desktops that are unable to display 3D???<= br> > > >
> > > Where is the netspeed applet? And why does pidgin not work a= ny longer
> > > (not finding a connection that is there?)
> >
> > And how do I get rid if the annoying sounds? I did not set it in<= br> > > gnome2. And why do I have tow users when logging in to gdm3 after= the
> > upgrade, how to resolve that?
>
> And where do I set the time/date views? I'm not fond of US AM/PM s= tyle
> in gdm3 login window, and in in the only panel left, how to show the > date in addition to the time? Have you ever considered the settings fr= om
> gnome2 being upgraded to gnome3??? :-(
>
>
>
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--bcaec5215d376c1ebc04b17f9f0e-- From shaunm@gnome.org Sat Nov 12 02:36:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E096A75002C for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 02:36:26 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.744 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.744 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779, TW_GD=0.077] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1aqC3DQD486X for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 02:36:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from out2.smtp.messagingengine.com (out2.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.26]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD6A8750009 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 02:35:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute3.internal (compute3.nyi.mail.srv.osa [10.202.2.43]) by gateway1.nyi.mail.srv.osa (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAE6020BF5 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 21:35:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from frontend1.nyi.mail.srv.osa ([10.202.2.160]) by compute3.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 11 Nov 2011 21:35:52 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references :content-type:date:message-id:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; s=smtpout; bh=dCbZkWQWq34ThjrFOKEm6h QTC1Y=; b=ZfUbER/S1xCI5ajy+cwdOJxGJHwsXrxpLjXZCoHgt77EQXxpZ/ItNE easL/Rpp2q5JaLsBPaB10i6cnHxcGjULqqE6pSlz72jIhS4wpC7ZcBQQ0m7/tMze TvmY30hGjRNAnbJ7/cU3McHHbds4cnDRIMVijzk3pr9lMwCqH7dQk= X-Sasl-enc: JPgst+msTLlJfGXAAEqDh6OTTN1DOiMoyYZcvnxuc5Q6 1321065352 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (unknown [74.83.248.165]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 600398E00DB; Fri, 11 Nov 2011 21:35:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: A lot of very unhappy Linux user From: Shaun McCance To: svante.signell@telia.com In-Reply-To: <1321054143.3649.12.camel@x60> References: <1321012187.2963.40.camel@escampalaboira.local> <1321018243.2495.30.camel@localhost> <4EBD29D5.5020306@gnome.org> <1321021159.26707.9.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <1321024538.26707.22.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <1321044222.3649.2.camel@x60> <1321044511.3649.5.camel@x60> <1321044987.3649.9.camel@x60> <1321054143.3649.12.camel@x60> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 21:35:51 -0500 Message-ID: <1321065351.8177.168.camel@recto> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 (2.32.1-1.fc14) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 02:36:27 -0000 On Sat, 2011-11-12 at 00:29 +0100, Svante Signell wrote: > No replies? > > Not from users, nor developers. Something is definitely wrong here. Something is wrong because nobody responded to a barrage of emails within three hours? I'm a developer. I don't get paid to do this. > On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 21:56 +0100, Svante Signell wrote: > > On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 21:48 +0100, Svante Signell wrote: > > > On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 21:43 +0100, Svante Signell wrote: > > > > On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 18:31 +0100, x y wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> ok... but if you do not have the gnomeshell?? what about those > > > > > >> 200 desktops that are unable to display 3D??? > > > > > > > > Where is the netspeed applet? And why does pidgin not work any longer > > > > (not finding a connection that is there?) There are no applets in GNOME Shell. The "everything is an applet, let's cram everything up there" model of GNOME Panel was a mess, and a pain for anybody doing documentation and support. I'm sure somebody could write a netspeed shell extension. I don't know why Pidgin isn't working for you anymore. I'm not aware of any architectural changes in GNOME that would cause other apps to lose connectivity. Have you asked the Pidgin devs? > > > And how do I get rid if the annoying sounds? Do you mean the alert sound? 1. Click your name on the top bar and select System Settings. 2. Open Sound. 3. On the Sound Effects tab, select Mute. That's in the help, by the way. > I did not set it in > > > gnome2. And why do I have tow users when logging in to gdm3 after the > > > upgrade, how to resolve that? That sounds like a bug in your distribution's upgrade process. > > And where do I set the time/date views? I'm not fond of US AM/PM style > > in gdm3 login window, The date and time display are controlled with the region and language formats. 1. Click your name on the top bar and select System Settings. 2. Open Region and Language. 3. Select the Formats tab. At this time, you can only select a region that matches the settings you like most. I wouldn't mind more fine-grained control myself. (I'm in the US, but I don't think weeks should start on Sunday.) I'm sure you can manage to set some of this manually by setting various LC_* environment variables. That's how *nix users did things since before GNOME ever existed. And GNOME 2 didn't have a panel to control any of this. > and in in the only panel left, how to show the > > date in addition to the time? gsettings set org.gnome.shell.clock show-date true I also like showing the seconds: gsettings set org.gnome.shell.clock show-seconds true Or just download GNOME Tweak Tool. It has both of these and more. Cheers, Shaun From gaelic@luchmhor.net Sat Nov 12 08:18:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79D6A75005B for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 08:18:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, MISSING_HEADERS=1.021, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, TW_GD=0.077] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cEIdWeZoFtFa for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 08:18:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ww0-f46.google.com (mail-ww0-f46.google.com [74.125.82.46]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29856750021 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 08:18:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwi18 with SMTP id 18so2756829wwi.27 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 00:18:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.60.131 with SMTP id p3mr10487424wbh.4.1321085915103; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 00:18:35 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: gaelic@luchmhor.net Received: by 10.227.151.208 with HTTP; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 00:18:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1321054143.3649.12.camel@x60> References: <1321012187.2963.40.camel@escampalaboira.local> <1321018243.2495.30.camel@localhost> <4EBD29D5.5020306@gnome.org> <1321021159.26707.9.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <1321024538.26707.22.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <1321044222.3649.2.camel@x60> <1321044511.3649.5.camel@x60> <1321044987.3649.9.camel@x60> <1321054143.3649.12.camel@x60> From: x y Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 09:18:14 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: FnPQH2bbQnTfLElnodzqWJBJZ54 Message-ID: Subject: Re: A lot of very unhappy Linux user Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 08:18:48 -0000 On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 12:29 AM, Svante Signell wrote: > No replies? > > Not from users, nor developers. Something is definitely wrong here. > > Thanks! > Hmm. Do you expect 'round the clock support especially if you write emails every 5 minutes with single sentences. Calm down and write one single mail with precise questions instead of "where is this *send* where is that *send*. > On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 21:56 +0100, Svante Signell wrote: >> On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 21:48 +0100, Svante Signell wrote: >> > On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 21:43 +0100, Svante Signell wrote: >> > > On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 18:31 +0100, x y wrote: >> > > > On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi >> > > > wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > >> ok... but if you do not have the gnomeshell?? =C2=A0what about = those >> > > > >> 200 desktops that are unable to display 3D??? >> > > >> > > Where is the netspeed applet? And why does pidgin not work any longe= r >> > > (not finding a connection that is there?) >> > >> > And how do I get rid if the annoying sounds? I did not set it in >> > gnome2. And why do I have tow users when logging in to gdm3 after the >> > upgrade, how to resolve that? >> >> And where do I set the time/date views? I'm not fond of US AM/PM style >> in gdm3 login window, and in in the only panel left, how to show the >> date in addition to the time? Have you ever considered the settings from >> gnome2 being upgraded to gnome3??? :-( >> >> >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list > From svante.signell@telia.com Sat Nov 12 16:04:37 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F3B8750292 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 16:04:37 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.523 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.523 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, TW_GD=0.077] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CFbjr1A756-W for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 16:04:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-out12.han.skanova.net (smtp-out12.han.skanova.net [195.67.226.212]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 409B77500A5 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 16:04:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (213.65.186.64) by smtp-out12.han.skanova.net (8.5.133) (authenticated as u84406617) id 4E79D83A00EBC7A6; Sat, 12 Nov 2011 17:04:23 +0100 Message-ID: <1321113863.6311.19.camel@x60> Subject: Re: A lot of very unhappy Linux and other OS users From: Svante Signell To: Shaun McCance Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 17:04:23 +0100 In-Reply-To: <1321065351.8177.168.camel@recto> References: <1321012187.2963.40.camel@escampalaboira.local> <1321018243.2495.30.camel@localhost> <4EBD29D5.5020306@gnome.org> <1321021159.26707.9.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <1321024538.26707.22.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <1321044222.3649.2.camel@x60> <1321044511.3649.5.camel@x60> <1321044987.3649.9.camel@x60> <1321054143.3649.12.camel@x60> <1321065351.8177.168.camel@recto> Organization: Hemma Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.0.3-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: svante.signell@telia.com List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 16:04:37 -0000 On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 21:35 -0500, Shaun McCance wrote: > On Sat, 2011-11-12 at 00:29 +0100, Svante Signell wrote: > > No replies? > > > > Not from users, nor developers. Something is definitely wrong here. > > Something is wrong because nobody responded to a barrage of emails > within three hours? I'm a developer. I don't get paid to do this. Noted, I just got carried away with all the sudden changes by upgrading to gnome3! > > On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 21:56 +0100, Svante Signell wrote: > > > On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 21:48 +0100, Svante Signell wrote: > > > > On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 21:43 +0100, Svante Signell wrote: > > > > > On Fri, 2011-11-11 at 18:31 +0100, x y wrote: > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> ok... but if you do not have the gnomeshell?? what about those > > > > > > >> 200 desktops that are unable to display 3D??? > > > > > > > > > > Where is the netspeed applet? And why does pidgin not work any longer > > > > > (not finding a connection that is there?) > > There are no applets in GNOME Shell. The "everything is an applet, > let's cram everything up there" model of GNOME Panel was a mess, > and a pain for anybody doing documentation and support. > > I'm sure somebody could write a netspeed shell extension. So the latest netspeed package is useless in gnome3? > > > And how do I get rid if the annoying sounds? > > Do you mean the alert sound? > > 1. Click your name on the top bar and select System Settings. > 2. Open Sound. > 3. On the Sound Effects tab, select Mute. Thanks, that worked! > And why do I have two users when logging in to gdm3 after the > > > > upgrade, how to resolve that? > > That sounds like a bug in your distribution's upgrade process. Maybe, but now it is there. How to get rid of only one of them? > > > And where do I set the time/date views? I'm not fond of US AM/PM style > > > in gdm3 login window, > > The date and time display are controlled with the region and > language formats. > > 1. Click your name on the top bar and select System Settings. > 2. Open Region and Language. > 3. Select the Formats tab. > > At this time, you can only select a region that matches the settings > you like most. I wouldn't mind more fine-grained control myself. (I'm > in the US, but I don't think weeks should start on Sunday.) I'm sure > you can manage to set some of this manually by setting various LC_* > environment variables. Let's hope for more fine-grained settings then. Evolution did also force people to use the defaults according to Region and Language. Now they have backed out of that nonsense. I normally use English as language, and Europe/Stockholm as region. But I'm not happy with the defaults enforced on me with this choice. > > > and in in the only panel left, how to show the > > > date in addition to the time? > > gsettings set org.gnome.shell.clock show-date true Thanks, that worked. Is there no menu available? How would I ever find out about the above command without digging very deep in user-guide etc. > Or just download GNOME Tweak Tool. It has both of these and more. This should not be necessary, it should be available in the basic setup :( Regarding the UI: Why do you enforce a tablet style on all users, even for people with desktops and laptops? And there is no compatibility mode available, right? And why requiring DRM to get reasonable performance under 3D! A 2D mode should be available, only requiring software openGL rendering. Not everybody has graphics cards with hardware acceleration. There are also architectures not supporting hardware rendering. They are just left out in the cold, not nice! From guilhem.bonnefille@gmail.com Sun Nov 13 09:01:22 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 392F67500A3; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 09:01:22 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.771 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.771 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FREEMAIL_REPLY=1.929, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9AAU62x8a7Fe; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 09:01:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 765D4750068; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 09:01:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ggnk3 with SMTP id k3so8267677ggn.27 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 01:01:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=DbkUPaRpqpdC5mkbQUGQ1liG9qDg/xCuL90Iqjy7CbE=; b=IcNiSB64fMFHQGkp5QpujJ2wC7st87qU0LI/FzNH0jh3Bj4hG8pqP3YtYIOQQCGZRU uVmBbtTJwb8rqLLNsG7M2inwg+vpUP8VVqRSFSXeLbhN8Iuh5LhoOjFdwIQj6KtqFdzw JbJfzBos5wau8YL1okWHInboAT+ZWHSfGZT70= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.12.66 with SMTP id w2mr971426obb.7.1321174870316; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 01:01:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.89.10 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 01:01:10 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1320874711.4695.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1320874711.4695.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 10:01:10 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: ftp:// handling From: Guilhem Bonnefille To: "Dmitrij D. Czarkoff" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: "gnome-list@gnome.org" , epiphany-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 09:01:22 -0000 Hi, 2011/11/9 Dmitrij D. Czarkoff : > As everyone might have noticed, the ftp:// links aren't supported in > Epiphany. Is there any way to set an external URI handler for them > either in Epiphany or in GNOME? Does GNOME infrastructure have the URI > handler settings? Does Epiphany support it? I have the same problem. More surprisingly, GNOME correctly handles ftp (or at least, nautilus can do the job, when Epiphany fails). Keep us informed if you find some solution. -- Guilhem BONNEFILLE -=- JID: guyou@im.apinc.org MSN: guilhem_bonnefille@hotmail.com -=- mailto:guilhem.bonnefille@gmail.com -=- http://nathguil.free.fr/ From a.j.w@me.com Sun Nov 13 17:42:11 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 828B07500AE for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 17:42:11 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tnTm1vGuYd+X for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 17:42:10 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 3609 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at menubar.gnome.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 17:42:09 UTC Received: from asmtpout029.mac.com (asmtpout029.mac.com [17.148.16.104]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA3D77500A5 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 17:42:01 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed Received: from [192.168.253.170] (82-69-231-41.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk [82.69.231.41]) by asmtp029.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01 (7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTPSA id <0LUL00CRTYDNWI50@asmtp029.mac.com> for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 08:41:50 -0800 (PST) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.5.7110,1.0.211,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-11-13_06:2011-11-12, 2011-11-13, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=38 spamscore=38 ipscore=0 suspectscore=5 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1111130154 Message-id: <4EBFF346.7080007@me.com> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 16:41:42 +0000 From: Andrew Wood User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686 on x86_64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: One very unhappy Linux user References: <1320988533.2805.11.camel@r-730-linux> <1320998275.21159.25.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <1320999366.2805.19.camel@r-730-linux> <1321001445.21159.60.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> In-reply-to: <1321001445.21159.60.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 17:42:11 -0000 Well go and use it then and stop moaning. > While distributions spend time (and money) to fix gnome3, > and make it "useable" linuxmint offer a simple and > efficient alternative (lxde)... > > From listsrv@wilsoft.nl Mon Nov 14 08:01:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC70075019B for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 08:01:02 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4FYjR4-ZL5vs for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 08:00:59 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 1502 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at menubar.gnome.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 08:00:59 UTC Received: from linux.wilsoft.nl (wilsoft.xs4all.nl [83.161.230.139]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68D657500C3 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 08:00:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.5.6] by linux.wilsoft.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RPr4w-0007SU-EK for gnome-list@gnome.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 08:35:43 +0100 Message-ID: <1321256142.2829.4.camel@localhost> Subject: Enable mobile broadband From: "W. van den Akker" To: gnome-list@gnome.org Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 08:35:42 +0100 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-qFq/mxs29HOgYEO9vLmx" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.0.3-2 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-WilSoft-MailScanner-ID: 1RPr4w-0007SU-EK X-WilSoft-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-WilSoft-MailScanner-From: listsrv@wilsoft.nl X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 08:01:03 -0000 --=-qFq/mxs29HOgYEO9vLmx Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Since last week I upgrade to Gnome3. I must say.... I like the concept and usability of Gnome3. After upgrading to Gnome3 I cannot use my broadband USB stick. Also the Network menu doesnt show any broadband options. Did I miss an option/program/module? TIA Willem -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --=-qFq/mxs29HOgYEO9vLmx Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi,

Since last week I upgrade to Gnome3. I must say.... I like the concept and usability of Gnome3.
After upgrading to Gnome3 I cannot use my broadband USB stick. Also the Network menu
doesnt show any broadband options.

Did I miss an option/program/module?

TIA
Willem
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believed to be clean. --=-qFq/mxs29HOgYEO9vLmx-- From lenzi.sergio@gmail.com Mon Nov 14 17:30:47 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 745277500F1; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 17:30:47 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2WDoWz8GG4z0; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 17:30:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qw0-f47.google.com (mail-qw0-f47.google.com [209.85.216.47]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A93075005B; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 17:30:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qabj40 with SMTP id j40so6798250qab.6 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 09:30:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references :disposition-notification-to:content-type:date:message-id :mime-version:x-mailer; bh=hQUCscgcNneSnK4D8jxJptOEBX8juDGqmVNyqwKTjC8=; b=xZmtGvt3Xw/FpQynVgh7NR8yq8XAdn3WuV+wczJtRAbnohpME64mnVXgGtZRwRul++ K2d5bASVA8MUDEW0obTXblOChXv94aiwQ5u2mYTL5pTJqPnZ6upZmPFm9HZ5Iv3WSnhD K6XfBXnv+TIzsQRj/uFIbC6llddZ6dkxHSk1c= Received: by 10.229.240.139 with SMTP id la11mr3254055qcb.27.1321291834601; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 09:30:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.6.230] ([201.21.151.230]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cs8sm16471801qab.9.2011.11.14.09.30.31 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 14 Nov 2011 09:30:33 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: ftp:// handling From: Sergio de Almeida Lenzi To: "Dmitrij D. Czarkoff" In-Reply-To: <1320874711.4695.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <1320874711.4695.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-jCtkLyyEw/nU8PwevThL" Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 15:30:29 -0200 Message-ID: <1321291829.64364.2.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Cc: "gnome-list@gnome.org" , epiphany-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 17:30:47 -0000 --=-jCtkLyyEw/nU8PwevThL Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Em Qua, 2011-11-09 às 22:38 +0100, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff escreveu: > Hello! > > As everyone might have noticed, the ftp:// links aren't supported in > Epiphany. Is there any way to set an external URI handler for them > either in Epiphany or in GNOME? Does GNOME infrastructure have the URI > handler settings? Does Epiphany support it? Arch linux had a patch (I do not use arch linux any more...) that fix the ftp:// in gnome Go to the archlinux site (or AUR archlinux), get the PKG tarbal, watch for the patch... (it is a tar archive...) Should work --=-jCtkLyyEw/nU8PwevThL Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Em Qua, 2011-11-09 às 22:38 +0100, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff escreveu: 
Hello!

As everyone might have noticed, the ftp:// links aren't supported in
Epiphany. Is there any way to set an external URI handler for them
either in Epiphany or in GNOME? Does GNOME infrastructure have the URI
handler settings? Does Epiphany support it?
Arch linux had a patch (I do not use arch linux any more...)
that fix the ftp://  in gnome

Go to the archlinux site (or AUR archlinux), get the PKG tarbal, watch for
the patch... (it is a tar archive...)

Should work --=-jCtkLyyEw/nU8PwevThL-- From williamhf@cfl.rr.com Thu Nov 3 01:40:19 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD9797500DD for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2011 01:40:19 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.102 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.102 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.201, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yu9b0Ujcfglx for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2011 01:40:17 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 31972 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at menubar.gnome.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2011 01:40:17 UTC Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A3987500AC for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2011 01:40:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([10.127.143.53]) by cdptpa-qmta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20111102164840272.TBFD3672@cdptpa-qmta02.mail.rr.com> for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 16:48:40 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=kKYgWXE3sh1YR5bbiI52Wh2ufSH3Ycy8lZKH6NqBFC8= c=1 sm=0 a=M6QzlQaD-QcA:10 a=NqYV1nr-elgA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=fVLZowzBqQaoLUPtplZHRA==:17 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=-cS036F0oW7y345BN8wA:9 a=pEdlhFTWVjWc4nfvbLIA:7 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=fVLZowzBqQaoLUPtplZHRA==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 67.8.139.15 Received: from [67.8.139.15] ([67.8.139.15:55567] helo=[192.168.0.4]) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id D5/59-16221-21471BE4; Wed, 02 Nov 2011 16:47:15 +0000 Message-ID: <4EB17412.4030006@cfl.rr.com> Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 12:47:14 -0400 From: William Ferguson User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.23) Gecko/20110921 Thunderbird/3.1.15 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Can't find Evolution e-mail program Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 19:01:32 +0000 X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: williamhf@cfl.rr.com List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2011 01:40:19 -0000 Greetings all readers: I am using a version of Fedora 15. I've forgotten the name of the gentleman who "tweaked up" Gnome 3 so that users accustomed to Gnome 2 features could possibly be able to use Gnome 3 in Fedora 15. In this version of Fedora 15 I accidentally stumbled on the configuration wizard for "Evolution" email. But once I completed the configuration and the screen said "Congratulations, you have successfully configured Evolution. Now you may send and receive e-mail" --- or words to that effect---the configuration wizard disappeared and I am at a loss re how to bring Evolution to my Desktop so that I could send an e-mail. Is there some way to put an icon representing Evolution email on the Desktop so that I could click on it and then see the Evolution program open on my Desktop screen? ------------------------------------------------------- Is there any way to get a "Panel" on the Desktop? With many thanks, William Ferguson williamhf@cfl.rr.com From czarkoff@gmail.com Sun Nov 13 12:29:35 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DC79750068; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 12:29:35 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.623 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.623 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_KN=0.077] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YXPe6Ffb+F1U; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 12:29:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8B0D750062; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 12:29:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by faar19 with SMTP id r19so9000802faa.27 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 04:29:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:subject:from:to:cc:date:in-reply-to:references :disposition-notification-to:organization:content-type:x-mailer :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=Oue144FNAccmOYtcCTwg0QDTyGWGYSrpYFng0AEVQmg=; b=womBC4WNBhV2d0X7YKf0aDqJK6astSU0TcWlLRl2Vws4nlkcqDKvyIiPB8MEezGvKr DPa0fr4PGiRMa8W2e/iDljC0YKAfl2UuA1zHheXF83e2+lmBgvoS/BD7MHBA+p2L/KUu g02VPWZWju/y8zzFKE6Rl+7HrAKUgIwyVWkdU= Received: by 10.152.110.228 with SMTP id id4mr5601929lab.19.1321187362836; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 04:29:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([95.155.14.181]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id tu2sm16023296lab.11.2011.11.13.04.29.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 13 Nov 2011 04:29:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1321187357.7010.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Subject: Re: ftp:// handling From: "Dmitrij D. Czarkoff" To: Guilhem Bonnefille Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 13:29:17 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: <1320874711.4695.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Organization: "SUPERUSER" d.o.o. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.2.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 19:01:32 +0000 Cc: "gnome-list@gnome.org" , epiphany-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 12:29:35 -0000 On Sun, 2011-11-13 at 10:01 +0100, Guilhem Bonnefille wrote: > Hi, > > 2011/11/9 Dmitrij D. Czarkoff : > > As everyone might have noticed, the ftp:// links aren't supported in > > Epiphany. Is there any way to set an external URI handler for them > > either in Epiphany or in GNOME? Does GNOME infrastructure have the URI > > handler settings? Does Epiphany support it? > > I have the same problem. More surprisingly, GNOME correctly handles > ftp (or at least, nautilus can do the job, when Epiphany fails). > > Keep us informed if you find some solution. Effectively to avoid wrangling various source files of GNOME infrastructure and Epiphany I would kindly ask for some insight about how the protocols handling is supposed to be configured and to work in GNOME, so that I could have something to base my further investigation on. I would love to write and submit a patch and maintain it until it gets included into Epiphany, but I just don't want to do enormous work of searching this functionality in GNOME infrastructure, as I currently believe that there are people who can kndly point me to the right place. -- Dmitrij D. Czarkoff From lachlan.00@gmail.com Mon Nov 14 04:48:44 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6998D7500A9 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 04:48:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.369 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.369 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, MISSING_HEADERS=1.021, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIM_INVALID=0.01] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JuCr0DR5RPru for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 04:48:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BEBE750062 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 04:48:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkbzs8 with SMTP id zs8so10290747bkb.27 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 20:48:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:cc:content-type; bh=pmKrSht5CezCUXYqKRZh6m+GaT9IeYpPFPxZ0suZkXw=; b=fCnW40AXDF0nXkMZq+wMZehYbQZ68wvTnUNEz8nCHLWEXlniXrF+RJgzUVuovCXFfe 00JCLQuDWq9BBjGVxR1TfKFXZX10Aqqt6ob0wTCaUSWSCtbscds+uMOWfq3JiW6+Trm1 3wX57ZJ7zxG4wMDX9BUvqZK8CTApef3M5OM04= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.141.8 with SMTP id k8mr17951267bku.14.1321246109111; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 20:48:29 -0800 (PST) Sender: lachlan.00@gmail.com Received: by 10.205.35.145 with HTTP; Sun, 13 Nov 2011 20:48:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4EBFF346.7080007@me.com> References: <1320988533.2805.11.camel@r-730-linux> <1320998275.21159.25.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <1320999366.2805.19.camel@r-730-linux> <1321001445.21159.60.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <4EBFF346.7080007@me.com> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 14:48:28 +1000 X-Google-Sender-Auth: e7scXzZTvijMe3PiSkJ-DGX-dso Message-ID: Subject: Re: One very unhappy Linux user From: stabbyjones Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=0015175cd5fefe969b04b1aa94b5 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 19:01:32 +0000 X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 04:48:44 -0000 --0015175cd5fefe969b04b1aa94b5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable These extensions will do what most of you are whining about. (Screenshot.pn= g) http://intgat.tigress.co.uk/rmy/extensions/index.html I for one love the defaults and use a few of the default extensions from gi= t. https://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Extensions This was the result of 30seconds of google use which i think is a much better use of time than going onto this list and wasting everyone's time. On 14 November 2011 02:41, Andrew Wood wrote: > Well go and use it then and stop moaning. +1 >> While distributions spend time (and money) to fix gnome3, >> and make it "useable" =A0linuxmint offer a simple and >> efficient alternative (lxde)... >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list > --0015175cd5fefe969b04b1aa94b5 Content-Type: image/png; name="Screenshot.png" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Screenshot.png" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Attachment-Id: f_guyzsm3k0 iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAABAAAAAJYCAIAAABzcgN0AALY+UlEQVR42uxdd4AURfZ+r6pnNmdY WHJGUBHFgOgZTsV4RszpzoTZM+ud/tTzjBgxncqpZ85Zz5xFwawISIYlLCxxw+zOTFe93x/VXV3V MxuAXdP1u1N3Z2d6uqurq7733ve+hxBZZJG12zjnxx535Flnnvv1119fefXVUsoNOIj0jaQUUpL/ MxERkSQCIun/CkQFBQVE1NTU5LpudAsiiyyyyCKLLLKNNCcagt+qMY553Z2yvl37DezZp3dRXn79 urWLF1fXLpwn1i6gptpohDrJCAgA0ul0Mplcs2oVAiBjjCECAiIy1AaIgwcN7te3b9pNu0K46bTr 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09:19:17 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Enable mobile broadband From: gaelic Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001517511f2aeca6a704b1ad86ec X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 19:01:32 +0000 X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 08:19:31 -0000 --001517511f2aeca6a704b1ad86ec Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hey, Was it just a gnome upgrade or a whole system upgrade? Please check if you've still a package named modemmanager installed. Cheers, C On Nov 14, 2011 8:35 AM, "W. van den Akker" wrote: > ** > Hi, > > Since last week I upgrade to Gnome3. I must say.... I like the concept and > usability of Gnome3. > After upgrading to Gnome3 I cannot use my broadband USB stick. Also the > Network menu > doesnt show any broadband options. > > Did I miss an option/program/module? > > TIA > Willem > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is > believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list > > --001517511f2aeca6a704b1ad86ec Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hey,
Was it just a gnome upgrade or a whole system upgrade?
Please check if you've still a package named modemmanager installed.

Cheers,
C

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--001517511f2aeca6a704b1ad86ec-- From svante.signell@telia.com Mon Nov 14 20:00:18 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7292E7500B8 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 20:00:18 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IrQNF5fGcrNq for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 20:00:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp-out11.han.skanova.net (smtp-out11.han.skanova.net [195.67.226.200]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26C1A75005B for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 20:00:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [130.237.20.66] (130.237.20.66) by smtp-out11.han.skanova.net (8.5.133) (authenticated as u84406617) id 4EC0B6880006B1E3; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 21:00:05 +0100 Message-ID: <1321300804.5597.255.camel@s1499.it.kth.se> Subject: Re: One very unhappy Linux user From: Svante Signell To: gnome-list@gnome.org Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 21:00:04 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: <1320988533.2805.11.camel@r-730-linux> <1320998275.21159.25.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <1320999366.2805.19.camel@r-730-linux> <1321001445.21159.60.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <4EBFF346.7080007@me.com> Organization: Hemma Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.0.3-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: svante.signell@telia.com List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 20:00:18 -0000 On Mon, 2011-11-14 at 14:48 +1000, stabbyjones wrote: > These extensions will do what most of you are whining about. (Screenshot.png) > http://intgat.tigress.co.uk/rmy/extensions/index.html That extension restores the gnome-2 look-and-feel, thank you for the info. Wonder when it will be available in Debian (and in main in due time). What about the netspeed applet under gnome shell? And is there a 2D fallback, for those graphic cards and OSes not supporting 3D? From listsrv@wilsoft.nl Mon Nov 14 20:35:52 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C615F7500C8 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 20:35:52 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dzmHKr-H-LsN for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 20:35:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from linux.wilsoft.nl (wilsoft.xs4all.nl [83.161.230.139]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0296A7500B8 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 20:35:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from notebook.wilsoft.nl ([192.168.4.4]) by linux.wilsoft.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1RQ3FY-0005m8-MZ for gnome-list@gnome.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2011 21:35:28 +0100 Message-ID: <1321302928.1993.2.camel@localhost> Subject: Re: Enable mobile broadband From: "W. van den Akker" To: gnome-list@gnome.org Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 21:35:28 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: <1321256142.2829.4.camel@localhost> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-YdRcpEHZ94kBzmYW0Avv" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.0.3-2 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-WilSoft-MailScanner-ID: 1RQ3FY-0005m8-MZ X-WilSoft-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-WilSoft-MailScanner-From: listsrv@wilsoft.nl X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 20:35:53 -0000 --=-YdRcpEHZ94kBzmYW0Avv Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, It was an upgrade (Gnome3 hits Debian testing). Modemmanager 0.5 is installed. I can't see in dmesg any errors. After pluging in the stick all initialization is done. The stick is polling the network. But I dont get a PIN dialog. gr, Willem On Mon, 2011-11-14 at 09:19 +0100, gaelic wrote: > Hey, > Was it just a gnome upgrade or a whole system upgrade? > Please check if you've still a package named modemmanager installed. > > Cheers, > C > > > On Nov 14, 2011 8:35 AM, "W. van den Akker" > wrote: > > Hi, > > Since last week I upgrade to Gnome3. I must say.... I like the > concept and usability of Gnome3. > After upgrading to Gnome3 I cannot use my broadband USB stick. > Also the Network menu > doesnt show any broadband options. > > Did I miss an option/program/module? > > TIA > Willem > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. --=-YdRcpEHZ94kBzmYW0Avv Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi,

It was an upgrade (Gnome3 hits Debian testing).
Modemmanager 0.5 is installed. I can't see in dmesg any
errors. After pluging in the stick all initialization is done.
The stick is polling the network. But I dont get a PIN dialog.

gr,
Willem

On Mon, 2011-11-14 at 09:19 +0100, gaelic wrote:
Hey,
Was it just a gnome upgrade or a whole system upgrade?
Please check if you've still a package named modemmanager installed.

Cheers,
C

On Nov 14, 2011 8:35 AM, "W. van den Akker" <listsrv@wilsoft.nl> wrote:
Hi,

Since last week I upgrade to Gnome3. I must say.... I like the concept and usability of Gnome3.
After upgrading to Gnome3 I cannot use my broadband USB stick. Also the Network menu
doesnt show any broadband options.

Did I miss an option/program/module?

TIA
Willem
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On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 3:35 PM, W. van = den Akker <lists= rv@wilsoft.nl> wrote:
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Hi,

It was an upgrade (Gnome3 hits Debian testing).
Modemmanager 0.5 is installed. I can't see in dmesg any
errors. After pluging in the stick all initialization is done.
The stick is polling the network. But I dont get a PIN dialog.

gr,
Willem

On Mon, 2011-11-14 at 09:19 +0100, gaelic wrote:
Hey,
Was it just a gnome upgrade or a whole system upgrade?
Please check if you've still a package named modemmanager installed= .

Cheers,
C

On Nov 14, 2011 8:35 AM, "W. van den Akker" <listsrv@wilsoft.nl> wrote= :
Hi,

Since last week I upgrade to Gnome3. I must say.... I like the conc= ept and usability of Gnome3.
After upgrading to Gnome3 I cannot use my broadband USB stick. Also= the Network menu
doesnt show any broadband options.

Did I miss an option/program/module?

TIA
Willem
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--0015174be3be6b60cc04b1b7eedf-- From simos.lists@googlemail.com Tue Nov 15 10:48:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96FB07502A5 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 10:48:05 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NA52jBrdEB3a for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 10:48:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-gx0-f182.google.com (mail-gx0-f182.google.com [209.85.161.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F33D67502E7 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 10:47:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ggnk3 with SMTP id k3so11306900ggn.27 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 02:47:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=pSN3MRg6d/fX3WvdwaNxe8bxcZavBd61+hZYJlh+80g=; b=JiAg2ZZjQkNWf8aMBRkpuhM0eE93Pv6KlDgZRxMjgS3yZ3lRSjEbXscUP7Fk8uMT+C SPClBnCV778LHMT7dRAYZm08d3bT8i8DtxNKPOPJ7Aj4W/nqd1lpeHlFGySkGC1Z/+ic AdTZ6BXPQi/RpLyXNCaAO+UbwqlQofD66twt0= Received: by 10.229.68.234 with SMTP id w42mr2800356qci.251.1321354071929; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 02:47:51 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.217.82 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 02:47:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1321001445.21159.60.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> References: <1320988533.2805.11.camel@r-730-linux> <1320998275.21159.25.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <1320999366.2805.19.camel@r-730-linux> <1321001445.21159.60.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> From: Simos Xenitellis Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 12:47:28 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: One very unhappy Linux user To: Sergio de Almeida Lenzi Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e651f6e814723b04b1c3b88c Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 10:48:05 -0000 --0016e651f6e814723b04b1c3b88c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi < lenzi.sergio@gmail.com> wrote: > ** > Em Sex, 2011-11-11 =C3=A0s 18:51 +1030, Daniel Moore escreveu: > > Please, Gnome !=3D Linux > > Gnome is just one option for Linux out of many. Have a look at the > alternatives... try some. Linux has always been about finding the right > package for you, not about ensuring that the general direction or > distribution conforms to your desires. > > > Yes gnome is not Linux (thanks God, or Linus..., whoever..) > > the problem is that users wants to put a cd (pen drive) in the > computer an install the system in order to have a computer > useable .. there are few choices.. KDE, GNOME3.. > if you want to install xfce, for example, only few distributions > have it.. > That is why linx mint http://linuxmint.com is in the top of > prefered distributions now.. it passed ubunto after 6 years > in the top. > > You are probably referring to the statistics at distrowatch.com. These statistics are derived from the user visits to the distribution pages= . At the moment, the Mint page is supposed to receive over 6000 hits per day and the other distributions about 2000-3000 hits. Why would anyone visit the distrowatch.com Mint page so often? Is the distrowatch.com demographic the demographic you want to focus on? If you want to get to more precise statistics, have a look at http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportOperatingSystems.htm which tells a different story. It makes sense to install the latest version of your favourite distribution, with the most recent GNOME. Whether it is Fedora or Ubuntu or something else, you have the option to select the "Classic GNOME" interface, which is the GNOME Panel from GNOME 2.x I believe we are all trying to get more people to switch to free and open-source software. GNOME Shell and Unity help the big masses of new users with an easier to use interface. Let's make the effort to learn the new user interface. Simos --0016e651f6e814723b04b1c3b88c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Sergio de = Almeida Lenzi <lenzi.sergio@gmail.com> wrote:
=20 =20
Em Sex, 2011-11-11 =C3=A0s 18:51 +1030, Daniel Moore escreveu:

Please, Gnome !=3D Linux

Gnome is just one option for Linux out of m= any. Have a look at the alternatives... try some. Linux has always been abo= ut finding the right package for you, not about ensuring that the general d= irection or distribution conforms to your desires.


Yes gnome is not Linux (thanks God, or Linus..., whoever..)

the problem is that users wants to put a cd (pen drive) in the
computer an install the system in order to have a computer
useable .. there are few choices..=C2=A0 KDE, GNOME3..
if you want to install xfce, for example, only few distributions
have it..=C2=A0
That is why linx mint ht= tp://linuxmint.com is in the top of
prefered distributions now..=C2=A0 it passed ubunto after 6 years
in the top.


You are probably referring to the statistic= s at distrowatch.com.
These stati= stics are derived from the user visits to the distribution pages.
At the moment, the Mint page is supposed to receive over 6000 hits pe= r day
and the other distributions about 2000-3000 hits.
Why would an= yone visit the distrowatch.com Mint = page so often?
Is the distrowatch.com demographic t= he demographic you want to focus on?

If you want to get to more prec= ise statistics, have a look at
http://stats.wikimedia.org/w= ikimedia/squids/SquidReportOperatingSystems.htm
which tells a different story.

It makes sense to install the latest = version of your favourite distribution, with the most recent GNOME.
Whet= her it is Fedora or Ubuntu or something else, you have the option to select= the "Classic GNOME"
interface, which is the GNOME Panel from GNOME 2.x

I believe we are = all trying to get more people to switch to free and open-source software.GNOME Shell and Unity help the big masses of new users with an easier to = use interface.
Let's make the effort to learn the new user interface.

Simos
--0016e651f6e814723b04b1c3b88c-- From lenzi.sergio@gmail.com Tue Nov 15 15:48:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C92357500DC for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 15:48:33 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k3T749RgR1HM for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 15:48:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B14D17500C1 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 15:48:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vws11 with SMTP id 11so10868061vws.27 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 07:48:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references :disposition-notification-to:content-type:date:message-id :mime-version:x-mailer; bh=X4k/1F4+WZNjlJV7cTtXxsiimX1S9oT4UmXlB9M0FVg=; b=Ok77Zfy8QLiwJnDRo4zgTl+oEIA5QGQBoWV3w1vqG3BJnWzks8v8jziCeFV79cZmx5 FHmZSiE3eTODROtlzGy6UOoOmgrxJQ0Z0QaABhJsmtGhV0XvP4ShYkKC/Z7CQv22hEMN nR/wpWHyrC/S4DwxTK8g7j6V/MppuHY3mGbrk= Received: by 10.224.185.199 with SMTP id cp7mr17863267qab.68.1321372098996; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 07:48:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.6.230] ([201.21.151.230]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id z1sm25192094qao.1.2011.11.15.07.48.16 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 15 Nov 2011 07:48:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: ftp:// handling From: Sergio de Almeida Lenzi To: Dmitrij Czarkoff In-Reply-To: References: <1320874711.4695.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1321291829.64364.2.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-Z1DtrndovD1HVFW1kpod" Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 13:48:14 -0200 Message-ID: <1321372094.75612.2.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Cc: "gnome-list@gnome.org" X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 15:48:34 -0000 --=-Z1DtrndovD1HVFW1kpod Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Em Ter, 2011-11-15 às 14:03 +0100, Dmitrij Czarkoff escreveu: > On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 6:30 PM, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi > wrote: > > Arch linux had a patch (I do not use arch linux any more...) > > that fix the ftp:// in gnome > > > > Go to the archlinux site (or AUR archlinux), get the PKG tarbal, watch for > > the patch... (it is a tar archive...) > > I use Arch Linux right now. ftp:// links don't work in epiphany. AUR > doesn't have related patches. > Hello... I have an old notebook with archlinux, 2010, and gnome 2.32... it works... I do not know about the new archlinux and gnome 3.X... I abandon gnome when it switch to 3.0... it is quite unusable on old hardware.... [] Sergio --=-Z1DtrndovD1HVFW1kpod Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Em Ter, 2011-11-15 às 14:03 +0100, Dmitrij Czarkoff escreveu: 
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 6:30 PM, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi
<lenzi.sergio@gmail.com> wrote:
> Arch linux had a patch (I do not use arch linux any more...)
> that fix the ftp://  in gnome
>
> Go to the archlinux site (or AUR archlinux), get the PKG tarbal, watch for
> the patch... (it is a tar archive...)

I use Arch Linux right now. ftp:// links don't work in epiphany. AUR
doesn't have related patches.

Hello...
I have an old notebook with archlinux, 2010, and gnome 2.32...   it works...

I do not know about the new archlinux and gnome 3.X... I abandon gnome
when it switch to 3.0...   it is quite unusable on old hardware....

[]

Sergio --=-Z1DtrndovD1HVFW1kpod-- From lenzi.sergio@gmail.com Tue Nov 15 15:52:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 013BF7500CE for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 15:52:00 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19cZKmZb+g2O for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 15:51:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yw0-f54.google.com (mail-yw0-f54.google.com [209.85.213.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4CBD7500C1 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 15:51:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ywe9 with SMTP id 9so6150206ywe.27 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 07:51:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references :disposition-notification-to:content-type:date:message-id :mime-version:x-mailer; bh=aq8Zx0zhhCDZyHnEmfGDnjVoI8FdT6UDhM3WRg7XjUo=; b=Bb4dbpTWbSDg92rx3SkBawTEGKBo9UogRqz6uCz4MuZV5q21j++VKdtXfr8YVOeGUs cCoibYGHjbfDFrEJO5+L7oFLnG68ObLEnindQ/nPMdxCP892dYyTC2sYoSPewGIy6yBA fsF4z+o/mGghZecKg6OSlOAPH6GgRZcedjKn4= Received: by 10.224.72.210 with SMTP id n18mr17750064qaj.35.1321372305070; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 07:51:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.6.230] ([201.21.151.230]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id du5sm25178523qab.14.2011.11.15.07.51.42 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 15 Nov 2011 07:51:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: One very unhappy Linux user From: Sergio de Almeida Lenzi To: Simos Xenitellis In-Reply-To: References: <1320988533.2805.11.camel@r-730-linux> <1320998275.21159.25.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <1320999366.2805.19.camel@r-730-linux> <1321001445.21159.60.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-o5GMg5OoA3GNKFr/NhXg" Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 13:51:41 -0200 Message-ID: <1321372301.75612.4.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 15:52:00 -0000 --=-o5GMg5OoA3GNKFr/NhXg Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Em Ter, 2011-11-15 às 12:47 +0200, Simos Xenitellis escreveu: > > If you want to get to more precise statistics, have a look at > http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportOperatingSystems.htm > which tells a different story. > > It makes sense to install the latest version of your favourite > distribution, with the most recent GNOME. > Whether it is Fedora or Ubuntu or something else, you have the option > to select the "Classic GNOME" > interface, which is the GNOME Panel from GNOME 2.x > > I believe we are all trying to get more people to switch to free and > open-source software. > GNOME Shell and Unity help the big masses of new users with an easier > to use interface. > Let's make the effort to learn the new user interface. > > Simos OOOPS... now I can see some light... a "Classic gnome" interface running on the gnome3 with gtk3.... is a must for me... Thanks for the help... I will serch for... [] Sergio --=-o5GMg5OoA3GNKFr/NhXg Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Em Ter, 2011-11-15 às 12:47 +0200, Simos Xenitellis escreveu:

If you want to get to more precise statistics, have a look at
http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportOperatingSystems.htm
which tells a different story.

It makes sense to install the latest version of your favourite distribution, with the most recent GNOME.
Whether it is Fedora or Ubuntu or something else, you have the option to select the "Classic GNOME"
interface, which is the GNOME Panel from GNOME 2.x

I believe we are all trying to get more people to switch to free and open-source software.
GNOME Shell and Unity help the big masses of new users with an easier to use interface.
Let's make the effort to learn the new user interface.

Simos
OOOPS... now I can see some light...
a "Classic gnome"  interface running on the gnome3 with gtk3....
is a must for me...

Thanks for the help... I will serch for...

[] 

Sergio --=-o5GMg5OoA3GNKFr/NhXg-- From mike@vee.net Tue Nov 15 00:07:35 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C32A17500C8; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 00:07:35 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.824 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.824 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_KN=0.077] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 562SOYgTBZVi; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 00:07:33 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 1603 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at menubar.gnome.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 00:07:32 UTC Received: from hudson.quuxo.net (hudson.quuxo.net [203.18.245.242]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3A507500BF; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 00:07:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.42.116] ([149.171.8.235]) (authenticated bits=0) by hudson.quuxo.net (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id pAENjaxb025936 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 15 Nov 2011 10:15:36 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from mike@vee.net) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97 at hudson.quuxo.net Message-ID: <4EC1A6E7.1080209@vee.net> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 10:40:23 +1100 From: Michael Gratton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20110929 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dmitrij D. Czarkoff" Subject: Re: ftp:// handling References: <1320874711.4695.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1321187357.7010.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <1321187357.7010.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4a1pre Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig516249B6EF8666A8B7504366" X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (hudson.quuxo.net [203.18.245.242]); Tue, 15 Nov 2011 10:15:41 +1030 (CST) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 17:36:40 +0000 Cc: "gnome-list@gnome.org" , epiphany-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 00:07:36 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig516249B6EF8666A8B7504366 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Le 13/11/11 23:29, Dmitrij D. Czarkoff a =C3=A9crit : > > I would love to write and submit a patch and maintain it until it gets > included into Epiphany, but I just don't want to do enormous work of > searching this functionality in GNOME infrastructure, as I currently > believe that there are people who can kndly point me to the right > place. Epiphany uses WebKitGTK for web page fetching and rendering, which in turn uses LibSoup[0] for its networking implementation. So the first port of call would be to check that Soup supports FTP, or can be made to do so. Once that is the case, then some additional but hopefully trivial work would be needed in Epiphany and perhaps WebKitGTK to enable support for it. If this doesn't work out, Nautilus and GNOME in general uses GIO for its networking, a virtual file system API for GLib. The standard implementation of this is GVFS, which does indeed support FTP, but is designed for a "mount and browse" use case, rather than a "fetch this URI" use case. I believe there isn't any support for changing this, so it might be something of a dead end anyway. Perhaps you should look into registering a desktop-wide protocol handler for FTP that just an program like wget? //Mike [0] - http://live.gnome.org/LibSoup --=20 =E2=8A=A8 Michael Gratton. =E2=9A=99 --------------enig516249B6EF8666A8B7504366 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk7BpucACgkQn1mVFlYUR87W7QCg5+cp1MW8z23AGB1JretmehL8 QpQAni6idCFgYT+rlE5eacJcbdTYOHtM =HRkJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig516249B6EF8666A8B7504366-- From chrisfahlman@gmail.com Thu Nov 17 07:40:11 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A421775037D for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 07:40:11 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SARE_SUB_RAND_LETTRS4=0.799, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ADYuhC0GTfYg for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 07:40:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ww0-f42.google.com (mail-ww0-f42.google.com [74.125.82.42]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 058C675009E for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 07:40:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwe3 with SMTP id 3so2801117wwe.3 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 23:39:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=PCz5FCkkHmKqnn7s32y/7JRUAeaOi4ZISMqpTv/g62w=; b=mO2gFB8IOKXG2Jtzd9KLl+HRvw55I1zcllNPPKRYBulaOWg8gTpEFSTz1xxurYdejs 0BAJSC2e+/CBNSTrM6J9uuKWdoifVS5DFrfm/giAZQi3Zlwvry2xG/3tx7ASwhEzc3D+ 9WIlqh4VfApgIT1XbyGBozqZKb1qbl0vSmHe0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.208.71 with SMTP id gb7mr23567668wbb.7.1321515598756; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 23:39:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.205.144 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 23:39:58 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 23:39:58 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: upnp photo media renderer for linux From: Chris Fahlman To: gnome-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 07:40:12 -0000 Hi, Is there an linux application which could display photos (jpegs or pngs and so on) from a upnp media server? (Is there a list of linux media renderers, and their capabilities, anywhere?) Thanks, crf. From fabian.deutsch@gmx.de Thu Nov 17 08:20:32 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DB9575009E for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 08:20:32 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.101 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SARE_SUB_RAND_LETTRS4=0.799, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id maxoZq4GK2Sa for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 08:20:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.23]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 938E07501CC for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 08:20:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 17 Nov 2011 08:20:16 -0000 Received: from g226233149.adsl.alicedsl.de (EHLO [192.168.1.35]) [92.226.233.149] by mail.gmx.net (mp069) with SMTP; 17 Nov 2011 09:20:16 +0100 X-Authenticated: #1554382 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+jRM8+n46jbP+w/LiWL86uyK3jMTGYSnvip/0EEk 3/unDHycTqqLYQ Message-ID: <1321518004.1811.0.camel@apu.local> Subject: Re: upnp photo media renderer for linux From: Fabian Deutsch To: Chris Fahlman Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 09:20:04 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.2.2 (3.2.2-1.fc16) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 08:20:32 -0000 Good day, Am Mittwoch, den 16.11.2011, 23:39 -0800 schrieb Chris Fahlman: > Is there an linux application which could display photos (jpegs or > pngs and so on) from a upnp media server? > (Is there a list of linux media renderers, and their capabilities, anywhere?) You could try http://media-explorer.org/ - fabiand From chrisfahlman@gmail.com Thu Nov 17 22:16:35 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 102D97500F7 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 22:16:35 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SARE_SUB_RAND_LETTRS4=0.799, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pKM3I3GizIU9 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 22:16:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E489E7500A4 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 22:16:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eyd10 with SMTP id 10so4325335eyd.27 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 14:16:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=e+LzOvsvwXTiPpyEmFvsWK8FRAVN1XrfSeFvregNWYc=; b=odSeCAqeunq5lPmSf3gGfdc//agC11jDCktaMuci+H5/TifqXtbEiMVUXHXcvaUCYr 227hQ3G1zDMB6+l/XOeUdKSSYsy61JQltrtHp7dD288ZzVh1uRD0DTCCYGBMrmy8PloH 7I72AJ3ll9Oq0CKf8tU69iRVRGCThBvO9AXSw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.90.148 with SMTP id bw20mr580704wib.33.1321568182660; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 14:16:22 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.205.144 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 14:16:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1321518004.1811.0.camel@apu.local> References: <1321518004.1811.0.camel@apu.local> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 14:16:22 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: upnp photo media renderer for linux From: Chris Fahlman To: gnome-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 22:16:35 -0000 Hi, Thanks for this tip: On 17 November 2011 00:20, Fabian Deutsch wrote: > Good day, > You could try http://media-explorer.org/ > > - fabiand > > There was a ppa of version 1.4 for Ubuntu natty (which I'm running). (Trying to build it from source led to dependencies on a latter version of clutter, which I've had trouble building in a way that doesn't break things). The interface looks pretty. While it saw my rygel media server, MediaExplorer didn't see any of the files it was sharing. So, I'll keep it under advisement, since it looks like it could be a solution. From chrisfahlman@gmail.com Thu Nov 17 22:40:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F70E7501F0 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 22:40:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SARE_SUB_RAND_LETTRS4=0.799, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zeiTLoqGsXXO for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 22:40:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ww0-f42.google.com (mail-ww0-f42.google.com [74.125.82.42]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D35567501E0 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 22:40:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwe3 with SMTP id 3so53928wwe.3 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 14:40:28 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=5aQki6b8uEThXljrojS4W6RErorUeAV5aJtuIG4TzQw=; b=CXSZX87pSQQ5VoEuTp+iPo/LJgA8+VITwV7INJRtelGh23LR5+ugSAceUemlL7VzNc RNyk6j0BHVZ++naB2TWHNXpn/94vixiTT2xj+uhdqEbaE7KdQTdyFFcS1jSMcdEgrbpT BbK7t38RyKTnAaSQC3nZBY5caQgj8b0XQYUeI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.197.148 with SMTP id ek20mr384469wbb.7.1321569628485; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 14:40:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.205.144 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 14:40:28 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1321518004.1811.0.camel@apu.local> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 14:40:28 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: upnp photo media renderer for linux From: Chris Fahlman To: gnome-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 22:40:41 -0000 On 17 November 2011 14:16, Chris Fahlman wrote: > > While it saw my rygel media server, > MediaExplorer didn't see any of the files it was sharing. > > Sorry, the above isn't true. MediaExplorer did see these files. I just couldn't at first understand how to work the interface. From czarkoff@gmail.com Tue Nov 15 13:03:53 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D38A67501A6; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 13:03:53 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gC9Ubg-KOj9s; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 13:03:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39167750192; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 13:03:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bkbzs8 with SMTP id zs8so13364706bkb.27 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 05:03:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+Zfx28K/mbSqOcxUpiIk0iSq0VFp8bNO6ruKwVd1UJc=; b=rtdik527XQng6IjKpC2R5Au/amEiIVbaV/P5gEMUYDLtfDfeshA4rfPYpzI/4CibNm D+Uc2sWjkuoNjY8Yu67ipk0lozgIPQLkUsf5QB3RfLMo0CPtiPXYPnFumjsOaD5bjaLL BgzAw3741GF48HmDR8oEojKKQpJiGC2K5nEmI= Received: by 10.205.138.129 with SMTP id is1mr16472283bkc.120.1321362221170; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 05:03:41 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.145.69 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Nov 2011 05:03:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1321291829.64364.2.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> References: <1320874711.4695.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1321291829.64364.2.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> From: Dmitrij Czarkoff Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 14:03:20 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: ftp:// handling To: Sergio de Almeida Lenzi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 14:54:15 +0000 Cc: "gnome-list@gnome.org" , epiphany-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 13:03:54 -0000 On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 6:30 PM, Sergio de Almeida Lenzi wrote: > Arch linux had a patch (I do not use arch linux any more...) > that fix the ftp://=C2=A0 in gnome > > Go to the archlinux site (or AUR archlinux), get the PKG tarbal, watch fo= r > the patch... (it is a tar archive...) I use Arch Linux right now. ftp:// links don't work in epiphany. AUR doesn't have related patches. --=20 Dmitrij D. Czarkoff From dcrs6000@aceweb.com Thu Nov 17 03:42:27 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 681017501F5 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 03:42:27 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.203 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.203 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.201, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UMjWzZSYvaOV for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 03:42:25 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 392 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at menubar.gnome.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 03:42:24 UTC Received: from EMail-01.mdeinc.com (mail.aceweb.com [24.43.175.253]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F38317501F0 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2011 03:42:16 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=aceweb.com; s=acewebdotcom; h=DomainKey-Signature:Received: Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; bh=Gjt4d2YPzncyei+67b0BC Zg3QQEjTOkHFsNIKUoy22o=; b=kuBOhjx+MHAj257qziAVn2+xvZsEdYa+Vybz9 eWQuVwJqEvhHHUmEXge5dTB1AjTU8DkcbkyrtghhR51EZFw63VG4VIEI7ZPFvK6t nhC+lnWhUDYQLvcfYHoXsNsH4ZR DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=acewebdotcom; d=aceweb.com; b=Ce1VpgvkefD/1AC4q+D2A8n7x//M7L+q8FKu0CiACT3H3tJau1vn9qW6/bKQDQ2cW8R0pJ1cUc3Rrf9JLGmRu9CL2cTAuYdSw8Snp7lBe1PQGARJv6qCn4FQs79aw/Ty Received: from [192.168.0.2] (netblock-208-127-245-86.dslextreme.com [208.127.245.86]) by EMail-01.mdeinc.com (Vircom SMTPRS 5.1.1024.13396) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2011 19:36:05 -0800 X-Modus-ReverseDNS: OK X-Modus-BlackList: 208.127.245.86=OK;dcrs6000@aceweb.com=OK X-Modus-RBL: 208.127.245.86=OK X-Modus-Trusted: 208.127.245.86=NO X-Modus-Audit: FALSE;0;0;23236924149999604 Message-ID: <4EC481B0.7020408@aceweb.com> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 19:38:24 -0800 From: Dwight User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; AIX 5.3; en-US; rv:1.9.2.24) Gecko/20111103 Thunderbird/3.1.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Porting GNOME to IBM AIX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 14:54:15 +0000 X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 03:42:27 -0000 Hi, Does anyone know of an effort to port the latest version of GNOME(3?) to IBM AIX 5.3 / 6.1 / 7.1 O/S? It seems that thunderbird, seamonkey and firefox require the newer version of the GNOME modules than the one's available from IBM and Bull. Thanks, Dwight From carpetnailz@researchintegration.org Fri Nov 18 20:27:27 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99B6875007E for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 20:27:27 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3SL+vNPN87I2 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 20:27:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.omnis.com (smtp.omnis.com [216.239.128.26]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A0AB75002B for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 20:27:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-hub-b.omnis.com (mail-hub-b.omnis.com [216.239.128.242]) by smtp.omnis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85B584577A3 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:27:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.104] (cpe-184-56-241-82.neo.res.rr.com [184.56.241.82]) (Authenticated sender: carpetnailz@researchintegration.org) by mail-hub-b.omnis.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7E85750B0B3 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:27:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: gedit bug? From: "carpetnailz@researchintegration.org" To: gnome-list@gnome.org Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:27:13 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.0.3 (3.0.3-1.fc15) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1321648035.12344.12.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97 at mail-hub-b.omnis.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 20:27:27 -0000 If I have several gedit windows open and try to close one, they all close. Is this what's supposed to happen? From 1920119@googlemail.com Sat Nov 19 23:56:05 2011 Return-Path: <1920119@googlemail.com> X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F27A7500AC for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2011 23:56:05 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OdcS8E-hCAga for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2011 23:56:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vx0-f182.google.com (mail-vx0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BB3F75002C for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2011 23:55:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vcbfl10 with SMTP id fl10so753688vcb.27 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2011 15:55:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=hoIScrCb+g9mZy60ClLwOoHuh8LhXL7DRuRDuZ2nxqA=; b=hv+7AGL2ywcXPScm7ZrEWG+w2djZ5Za5/xEDmc/6Y4aZ6CPU64f7gAECaTawu1wL2U ZJMnzHR4dYzwUQ6TwsSmUnpAmIR7wC/o+wd/cajYmcjuup4fX+MruEjQP2RIxfsYt4ru 2NgRXjiSGENZUgphk8ATK0uemNMmcEiM28hMw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.184.70 with SMTP id cj6mr875260qcb.196.1321746953086; Sat, 19 Nov 2011 15:55:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.93.194 with HTTP; Sat, 19 Nov 2011 15:55:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4EB17412.4030006@cfl.rr.com> References: <4EB17412.4030006@cfl.rr.com> Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 23:55:53 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Can't find Evolution e-mail program From: 1920119@googlemail.com To: williamhf@cfl.rr.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 19:08:23 +0000 Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 23:56:05 -0000 How did you send this email? Try opening a terminal and typing 'evolution' On 2 November 2011 16:47, William Ferguson wrote: > Greetings all readers: > > I am using a version of Fedora 15. =A0I've forgotten the name of the gent= leman > who "tweaked up" Gnome 3 so that users accustomed to Gnome 2 features cou= ld > possibly be able to use Gnome 3 in Fedora 15. > > In this version of Fedora 15 =A0I accidentally stumbled on the configurat= ion > wizard for "Evolution" email. > > But once I completed the configuration and the screen said "Congratulatio= ns, > you have successfully configured Evolution. Now you may send and receive > e-mail" --- =A0or words to that effect---the configuration wizard disappe= ared > and I am at a loss re how to bring Evolution to my Desktop so that I coul= d > send an e-mail. > > Is there some way to put an icon representing Evolution email on the Desk= top > so that I could click on it and then see the Evolution program > open on my Desktop screen? > > ------------------------------------------------------- > Is there any way to get a "Panel" on the Desktop? > > With many thanks, > > William Ferguson > williamhf@cfl.rr.com > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list > From carpetnailz@researchintegration.org Mon Nov 21 23:06:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA93975006F for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 23:06:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MsoSkSllWz7Q for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 23:06:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.omnis.com (smtp.omnis.com [216.239.128.26]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75E697500A3 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 23:06:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-hub-e.omnis.com (mail-hub-e.omnis.com [216.239.128.245]) by smtp.omnis.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 798F2457605 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 15:06:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.104] (cpe-184-56-241-82.neo.res.rr.com [184.56.241.82]) (Authenticated sender: carpetnailz@researchintegration.org) by mail-hub-e.omnis.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6FFA7126ED1 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 2011 15:06:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: gedit bug? From: "carpetnailz@researchintegration.org" To: gnome-list@gnome.org Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 18:06:21 -0500 In-Reply-To: <1321648035.12344.12.camel@localhost> References: <1321648035.12344.12.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.0.3 (3.0.3-1.fc15) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1321916785.2152.5.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.97 at mail-hub-e.omnis.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 23:06:42 -0000 I've gotten several replies that didn't go to the list, as nearly as I can tell. One person suggested using terminal to start gedit and see what happens. Here's the result of that. I don't know if any of this is significant. [eric@localhost ~]$ gedit & [1] 14871 [eric@localhost ~]$ (gedit:14871): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to retrieve the file info for `file:///home/eric/Desktop/Test1': Error stating file '/home/eric/Desktop/Test1': No such file or directory (gedit:14871): Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to retrieve the file info for `file:///home/eric/Desktop/Test2': Error stating file '/home/eric/Desktop/Test2': No such file or directory Fatal Python error: PyEval_SaveThread: NULL tstate [eric@localhost ~]$ gedit & [2] 14916 [1] Aborted (core dumped) gedit [eric@localhost ~]$ THanks. On Fri, 2011-11-18 at 15:27 -0500, carpetnailz@researchintegration.org wrote: > If I have several gedit windows open and try to close one, they all > close. Is this what's supposed to happen? > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From computing.account@googlemail.com Mon Nov 28 09:30:55 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FF1975010F for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 09:30:55 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Mog351EMg2Nl for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 09:30:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 292517500B9 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 09:30:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vbbfr13 with SMTP id fr13so1047215vbb.27 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 01:30:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=0H/3JXWGKtkxE4cAKKXymuParqd+mp5S323RXldVoik=; b=qh12BIWmemdt5tzvt1ilWtpTbCVZC5LYrQtWfxXqWt4VrfQa8M5tWKH740hGf3Zd0L sR1ujRz+SSzFVL0eE4YierPoaUluDxf+oNNFkh4nxgrbkhs+tPNRtT4SevvPcXdFsWo2 Ez9TXZQ4T3CfB5e0SNth4uqKuTyrRoQn2VHpw= Received: by 10.52.36.109 with SMTP id p13mr42188573vdj.59.1322472643311; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 01:30:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.40] (78-105-132-248.zone3.bethere.co.uk. [78.105.132.248]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id em3sm7324210vdc.10.2011.11.28.01.30.40 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 28 Nov 2011 01:30:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4ED3546B.1050504@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 09:29:15 +0000 From: AG User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.24) Gecko/20111120 Icedove/3.1.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: One very unhappy Linux user References: <1320988533.2805.11.camel@r-730-linux> <1320998275.21159.25.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <1320999366.2805.19.camel@r-730-linux> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 09:30:55 -0000 On 11/11/11 08:21, Daniel Moore wrote: > Please, Gnome != Linux > > Gnome is just one option for Linux out of many. Have a look at the alternatives... try some. Linux has always been about finding the right package for you, not about ensuring that the general direction or distribution conforms to your desires. That is hardly the point, is it? The point is that users of GNU/Linux want to use an OS that allows them choice and reconfigurability, etc., and not to have chase the whims of developers. Many people have noted their disappointment with the direction Gnome3 has taken, and on several of the lists I subscribe to users have reported leaving GNOME3 in droves in favor of LXDE or Xfce4. If this is illustrative of developers wanting feedback from their user-base, then this is certainly not the kind of feedback developers can/ should ignore! It indicates that users are not okay with the changes that have been foisted upon them, and that the users are more likely to want the existing code-base of GNOME2 improved and tweaked so that it performs flawlessly, not for the developers to impose their vision of an "improvement" on users which changes the game completely. Perhaps the developers can fork the projects and call Gnome3 something else, like Gnome Tablet or some such, and continue to offer and support Gnome2 and make it a great DE in terms of removing extant bugs, and memory leaks, etc. My $0.02 of course, as a user of Gnome since the days of Red Hat 7.1 From olav@vitters.nl Mon Nov 28 09:51:11 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DA4E7500B9 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 09:51:11 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yUA6AL0ZdqJm for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 09:51:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fep22.mx.upcmail.net (fep22.mx.upcmail.net [62.179.121.42]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6B0F7500AA for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 09:50:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edge02.upcmail.net ([192.168.13.237]) by viefep14-int.chello.at (InterMail vM.8.01.02.02 201-2260-120-106-20100312) with ESMTP id <20111128095039.ZNGT1569.viefep14-int.chello.at@edge02.upcmail.net>; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:50:39 +0100 Received: from bkor.dhs.org ([62.195.84.29]) by edge02.upcmail.net with edge id 2Zqd1i01e0dyCrA02Zqdrt; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:50:39 +0100 X-SourceIP: 62.195.84.29 Received: by bkor.dhs.org (Postfix, from userid 501) id BA37C5003CE; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:48:41 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:48:41 +0100 From: Olav Vitters To: AG Subject: Re: One very unhappy Linux user Message-ID: <20111128094841.GA22393@bkor.dhs.org> Mail-Followup-To: AG , gnome-list@gnome.org References: <1320988533.2805.11.camel@r-730-linux> <1320998275.21159.25.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <1320999366.2805.19.camel@r-730-linux> <4ED3546B.1050504@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4ED3546B.1050504@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=M8vhz+/PDo6jLH0Og6FCcf05BWUaCljLuzswz2qsRtE= c=1 sm=0 a=wom5GMh1gUkA:10 a=N1AoRaX-S3EA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=jw4NPfmmZAPJYK0ZR70A:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 09:51:11 -0000 On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 09:29:15AM +0000, AG wrote: > That is hardly the point, is it? The point is that users of > GNU/Linux want to use an OS that allows them choice and > reconfigurability, etc., and not to have chase the whims of > developers. I'm a use Linux and GNOME and I'm perfectly happy with GNOME 3. > Perhaps the developers can fork the projects and call Gnome3 > something else, like Gnome Tablet or some such, and continue to > offer and support Gnome2 and make it a great DE in terms of removing > extant bugs, and memory leaks, etc. Most is available under the GPL and LGPL. Feel free to find other people. Find it somewhat impolite that although GNOME is provided for free (libre+price), you still dare to say how the developers should spend their time. Furthermore, tablet? GNOME 3 is hardly usable on a tablet. -- Regards, Olav From olav@vitters.nl Mon Nov 28 10:00:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0A857500CE for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:00:10 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pLKo0rGuoNkR for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:00:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fep12.mx.upcmail.net (fep12.mx.upcmail.net [62.179.121.32]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C24427501CC for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 09:59:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edge01.upcmail.net ([192.168.13.236]) by viefep12-int.chello.at (InterMail vM.8.01.02.02 201-2260-120-106-20100312) with ESMTP id <20111128095950.HWVT1724.viefep12-int.chello.at@edge01.upcmail.net>; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:59:50 +0100 Received: from bkor.dhs.org ([62.195.84.29]) by edge01.upcmail.net with edge id 2Zzo1i01D0dyCrA01Zzoi9; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:59:50 +0100 X-SourceIP: 62.195.84.29 Received: by bkor.dhs.org (Postfix, from userid 501) id 55CDD5003CE; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:57:55 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:57:55 +0100 From: Olav Vitters To: Svante Signell Subject: Re: One very unhappy Linux user Message-ID: <20111128095755.GB22393@bkor.dhs.org> Mail-Followup-To: Svante Signell , gnome-list@gnome.org References: <1320988533.2805.11.camel@r-730-linux> <1320998275.21159.25.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <1320999366.2805.19.camel@r-730-linux> <1321001445.21159.60.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <4EBFF346.7080007@me.com> <1321300804.5597.255.camel@s1499.it.kth.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1321300804.5597.255.camel@s1499.it.kth.se> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=7AjrSHUygkxmgKj9+ZdWPzZoKYzIcpgZMIt1Yxqn8hE= c=1 sm=0 a=wom5GMh1gUkA:10 a=N1AoRaX-S3EA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=yQAy3OAWZnySZrwC6TcA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=HpAAvcLHHh0Zw7uRqdWCyQ==:117 Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:00:11 -0000 On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 09:00:04PM +0100, Svante Signell wrote: > What about the netspeed applet under gnome shell? > And is there a 2D fallback, for those graphic cards and OSes not > supporting 3D? Currently available in Fedora rawhide. I expect all newer distributions to have this when they release GNOME 3.4. Note: not really GNOME thing, only requires a very small gnome-session change. Most of the changes are in other parts of the stack (Mesa, etc). -- Regards, Olav From computing.account@googlemail.com Mon Nov 28 10:45:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6B2E7500B9 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:45:00 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.302 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.302 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FREEMAIL_REPLYTO=2.398, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EgOlhhqkDTmc for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:44:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17FD47500AA for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:44:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by faak28 with SMTP id k28so29242faa.27 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 02:44:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=6cCKSsupzlMpF74RJZqzUfAmYQxA2X9/LeYMdxzXPXc=; b=ReHivubfLeW5q/dShkhYO9i8aFWhQ8x6gJSiasLPOU5V1P0pvAWcl31GixeoV9Xqja OO1Ui1gFyLNqyl9Ac1qAwWSMwyNM/N3a/ICSW7sQzgYxxMkcgU3xEeNCnksVVGmFpWrO yf2Zk+PB+IJJfgkRn6+QlxTfZTVZRZHY3tWSI= Received: by 10.152.105.211 with SMTP id go19mr27734522lab.31.1322477088660; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 02:44:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.40] (78-105-132-248.zone3.bethere.co.uk. [78.105.132.248]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id op2sm9189296lab.6.2011.11.28.02.44.47 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 28 Nov 2011 02:44:47 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4ED365C9.8090702@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:43:21 +0000 From: AG User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.24) Gecko/20111120 Icedove/3.1.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: One very unhappy Linux user References: <1320988533.2805.11.camel@r-730-linux> <1320998275.21159.25.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <1320999366.2805.19.camel@r-730-linux> <4ED3546B.1050504@gmail.com> <20111128094841.GA22393@bkor.dhs.org> In-Reply-To: <20111128094841.GA22393@bkor.dhs.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: computing.account@gmail.com List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:45:01 -0000 On 28/11/11 09:48, Olav Vitters wrote: > On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 09:29:15AM +0000, AG wrote: >> That is hardly the point, is it? The point is that users of >> GNU/Linux want to use an OS that allows them choice and >> reconfigurability, etc., and not to have chase the whims of >> developers. > I'm a use Linux and GNOME and I'm perfectly happy with GNOME 3. Well, good for you. I use GNU/Linux and Gnome and am not happy with Gnome3 but *am* perfectly happy with Gnome2. And your point is ... ? >> Perhaps the developers can fork the projects and call Gnome3 >> something else, like Gnome Tablet or some such, and continue to >> offer and support Gnome2 and make it a great DE in terms of removing >> extant bugs, and memory leaks, etc. > Most is available under the GPL and LGPL. Feel free to find other > people. Pls clarify what this is supposed to mean? > Find it somewhat impolite that although GNOME is provided for > free (libre+price), you still dare to say how the developers should > spend their time. This is rich: developers - described by Stallman, Raymond, et al., as hackers who do it for the love of developing the code, the kudos of making it work and the pleasure of sticking it to the corporations in favor of coming up with decent, transparent and user-readable code - now get pissed at users who don't like what they do and resort to saying that "it's free - therefore use what we give you or piss off". Great attitude there, Olav. If you are a developer, perhaps you'd be best off working for a corporation like MS who get paid to *not* listen to their user base > Furthermore, tablet? GNOME 3 is hardly usable on a tablet. And yet the Gnome3 interface has been designed with tablet users in mind. From thornton.richard@gmail.com Mon Nov 28 11:08:39 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D5277500B9 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:08:39 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.033 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.033 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SARE_HTML_USL_OBFU=1.666, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qqVqWsSU+MTU for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:08:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ED287500AA for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:08:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eaai12 with SMTP id i12so2987893eaa.27 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 03:08:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=pdfXA/yJYXKaFn4PitKCINbYTNVmsaSpttx4cuifRi4=; b=o/0v1h2UgJpaZfwOvEOc1ztE+gLkkIB/239prv43OpMPecyPM/S907/qMS4uFXV0rO d4/Km3XwCpAG1kjZjTv+3VqKp2qvDR1bYBQuAsZxXUeY92SyHFmfWQF1lylCGVIxfQRV B56d48lw617l5qHKCPW3xhkzIuetQnObTX5tA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.14.15.207 with SMTP id f55mr2590383eef.6.1322478501082; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 03:08:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.8.79 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 03:08:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.8.79 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 03:08:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4ED3546B.1050504@gmail.com> References: <1320988533.2805.11.camel@r-730-linux> <1320998275.21159.25.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <1320999366.2805.19.camel@r-730-linux> <4ED3546B.1050504@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 06:08:21 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: One very unhappy Linux user From: Richard Thornton To: AG Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e65c8f5c47b85a04b2c98563 Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:08:39 -0000 --0016e65c8f5c47b85a04b2c98563 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yes, I think gnome 3 is terrible. Version 2 was much better. And OpenSUSE 12.1 is full of bugs. Monodevelopment 2.4 does not work on it. It was ok though in 11.4. On Nov 28, 2011 4:31 AM, "AG" wrote: > On 11/11/11 08:21, Daniel Moore wrote: > >> Please, Gnome != Linux >> >> Gnome is just one option for Linux out of many. Have a look at the >> alternatives... try some. Linux has always been about finding the right >> package for you, not about ensuring that the general direction or >> distribution conforms to your desires. >> > > > That is hardly the point, is it? The point is that users of GNU/Linux > want to use an OS that allows them choice and reconfigurability, etc., and > not to have chase the whims of developers. > > Many people have noted their disappointment with the direction Gnome3 has > taken, and on several of the lists I subscribe to users have reported > leaving GNOME3 in droves in favor of LXDE or Xfce4. If this is > illustrative of developers wanting feedback from their user-base, then this > is certainly not the kind of feedback developers can/ should ignore! It > indicates that users are not okay with the changes that have been foisted > upon them, and that the users are more likely to want the existing > code-base of GNOME2 improved and tweaked so that it performs flawlessly, > not for the developers to impose their vision of an "improvement" on users > which changes the game completely. > > Perhaps the developers can fork the projects and call Gnome3 something > else, like Gnome Tablet or some such, and continue to offer and support > Gnome2 and make it a great DE in terms of removing extant bugs, and memory > leaks, etc. > > My $0.02 of course, as a user of Gnome since the days of Red Hat 7.1 > ______________________________**_________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/**listinfo/gnome-list > --0016e65c8f5c47b85a04b2c98563 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes,=A0 I think gnome 3 is terrible.=A0 Version 2 was much better.=A0 An= d OpenSUSE=A0 12.1 is full of bugs.=A0 Monodevelopment 2.4 does not work on= it.=A0 It was ok though in 11.4.

On Nov 28, 2011 4:31 AM, "AG" <computing.account@googlemai= l.com> wrote:
On 11/11/11 08:21, Daniel Moore wrote:
Please, Gnome !=3D Linux

Gnome is just one option for Linux out of many. Have a look at the alternat= ives... try some. Linux has always been about finding the right package for= you, not about ensuring that the general direction or distribution conform= s to your desires.
<snip>

That is hardly the point, is it? =A0The point is that users of GNU/Linux wa= nt to use an OS that allows them choice and reconfigurability, etc., and no= t to have chase the whims of developers.

Many people have noted their disappointment with the direction Gnome3 has t= aken, and on several of the lists I subscribe to users have reported leavin= g GNOME3 in droves in favor of LXDE or Xfce4. =A0If this is illustrative of= developers wanting feedback from their user-base, then this is certainly n= ot the kind of feedback developers can/ should ignore! =A0It indicates that= users are not okay with the changes that have been foisted upon them, and = that the users are more likely to want the existing code-base of GNOME2 imp= roved and tweaked so that it performs flawlessly, not for the developers to= impose their vision of an "improvement" on users which changes t= he game completely.

Perhaps the developers can fork the projects and call Gnome3 something else= , like Gnome Tablet or some such, and continue to offer and support Gnome2 = and make it a great DE in terms of removing extant bugs, and memory leaks, = etc.

My $0.02 of course, as a user of Gnome since the days of Red Hat 7.1
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--0016e65c8f5c47b85a04b2c98563-- From tr-huso@online.no Mon Nov 28 11:36:32 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4042750320 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:36:32 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HlTXEhZUJ5fs for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:36:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail42.e.nsc.no (mail42.e.nsc.no [193.213.115.42]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C65E750385 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:36:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.33] (c93AC5AC1.dhcp.bluecom.no [193.90.172.147]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail42.nsc.no (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pASBaCt7007439 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 12:36:13 +0100 (MET) Subject: Re: One very unhappy Linux user From: Trond =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Hus=F8?= To: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: References: <1320988533.2805.11.camel@r-730-linux> <1320998275.21159.25.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <1320999366.2805.19.camel@r-730-linux> <4ED3546B.1050504@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Organization: Trond =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Hus=F8?= Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 12:36:11 +0100 Message-ID: <1322480171.5862.36.camel@trond-e4310> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: tr-huso@online.no List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:36:33 -0000 Does Gnome have some statistics saying how many users there might be that is running Gnome3? What we see on this list are mostly unhappy users. And yes, they shall be listened to also. But if we have 100 unhappy users and 1000 happy users then we have 1000 silent non-complainers. I have, as stated a few times before, not moved to G3 (still using Ubuntu 10.04/Gnome 2), but I think G3 looks promising. I hope all the problems that the complainers have are related to a desktop that is unfamiliar and that they will work better, faster and therefor more productive when they get familiar with the new desktop. That being said: It is always scary to make a big and bold move such as Gnome has done with G3. There are lots of changes and maybe it would have been wise to upgrade one new feature at a time. Trond From desmond.armstrong@gmail.com Mon Nov 28 14:38:09 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 688817500B9 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:38:09 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.22 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.22 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xvksc3S-Dh5D for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:38:07 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 767 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at menubar.gnome.org; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:38:07 UTC Received: from mk-filter-3-a-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-filter-3-a-1.mail.tiscali.co.uk [212.74.100.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64213750091 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:37:59 +0000 (UTC) X-Trace: 703034860/mk-filter-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com/B2C/$b2c-THROTTLED/b2c-CUSTOMER-STATIC-IP/212.139.214.199/None/desmond.armstrong@gmail.com X-SBRS: None X-RemoteIP: 212.139.214.199 X-IP-MAIL-FROM: desmond.armstrong@gmail.com X-SMTP-AUTH: X-Originating-Country: GB/UNITED KINGDOM X-MUA: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111006 Thunderbird/7.0.1 X-IP-BHB: Once X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av8EAGuW007Ui9bH/2dsb2JhbABDmwaPd4EGgXIBAQU4HgYcEQsLFhYPCQMCAQIBERYeEwgBAYgDpUyDXoN9PYh4h02DFQSUSoUsjF8 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.69,584,1315177200"; d="scan'208";a="703034860" Received: from 212-139-214-199.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([212.139.214.199]) by smtp.tiscali.co.uk with ESMTP; 28 Nov 2011 14:25:09 +0000 Message-ID: <4ED399C4.3070403@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:25:08 +0000 From: Desmond Armstrong User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:7.0.1) Gecko/20111006 Thunderbird/7.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: gnome-list Digest, Vol 91, Issue 21 Item 1 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:38:09 -0000 Although I need to spend time with the new desktop environments I am mighty relieved that Mandriva 2011.0 for one is allowing us Gnome 2.3x I too have been with this for many years (from an early RedHat) and am very happy with it. Of course somebody will reinvent the wheel and provide with a feature rich DE in place of Gnome but I have yet to see it. And yes, I think I am reasonably open-minded. From calum.benson@oracle.com Mon Nov 28 16:12:04 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E7937500B9 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 16:12:04 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.4 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.4 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.201, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id akhO32EAf2GB for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 16:11:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com (acsinet15.oracle.com [141.146.126.227]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48940750091 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 16:11:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ucsinet22.oracle.com (ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.4/Switch-3.4.4) with ESMTP id pASGBlZt020338 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 16:11:48 GMT Received: from acsmt356.oracle.com (acsmt356.oracle.com [141.146.40.156]) by ucsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id pASGBkCJ029874 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 16:11:47 GMT Received: from abhmt105.oracle.com (abhmt105.oracle.com [141.146.116.57]) by acsmt356.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id pASGBfuC000651 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:11:41 -0600 Received: from calmac.tolka.local (/109.76.184.131) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 08:11:41 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1253) Subject: Re: One very unhappy Linux user From: Calum Benson In-Reply-To: <4ED365C9.8090702@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 16:11:38 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <1320988533.2805.11.camel@r-730-linux> <1320998275.21159.25.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <1320999366.2805.19.camel@r-730-linux> <4ED3546B.1050504@gmail.com> <20111128094841.GA22393@bkor.dhs.org> <4ED365C9.8090702@gmail.com> To: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1253) X-Source-IP: ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94] X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090204.4ED3B2C5.005B,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 16:12:04 -0000 On 28 Nov 2011, at 10:43, AG wrote: > On 28/11/11 09:48, Olav Vitters wrote: >>>=20 >> I'm a use Linux and GNOME and I'm perfectly happy with GNOME 3. >=20 > Well, good for you. I use GNU/Linux and Gnome and am not happy with = Gnome3 but *am* perfectly happy with Gnome2. And your point is =85 ? That your personal opinion is valid but still just a personal opinion, = and that other people have different but equally valid personal = opinions. Regards, Calum. --=20 CALUM BENSON, Interaction Designer Oracle Corporation Ireland Ltd. mailto:calum.benson@oracle.com Solaris Desktop Team http://blogs.oracle.com/calum +353 1 819 9771 Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Oracle Corp. From computing.account@googlemail.com Mon Nov 28 16:25:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8674B75002F for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 16:25:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WzueYc1UEn+L for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 16:25:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B121E75002C for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 16:25:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by faak28 with SMTP id k28so460451faa.27 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 08:25:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=JI3Gzyd9QyFuu7ZcvW8HmNaXUMuJDRc4B0eKLDhKixQ=; b=S+q8kmBt/sXdRYDSzfZhDxPhBeWSh2gCzjUK5dRXOgsV+Mhdc/2Jz+boTJ7XLVvggW ydtxBB42xHp1HgGf793U7DV5iFnYcEZ14kgjX6WltjfcOxaPXtV6l3wHHEGSX8jvms0z UtxmURjWJP6/WHYHFCEOEGH373+KgiWvHTxE8= Received: by 10.204.148.67 with SMTP id o3mr47232045bkv.130.1322497540838; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 08:25:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.40] (78-105-132-248.zone3.bethere.co.uk. [78.105.132.248]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id fa8sm22402952bkc.14.2011.11.28.08.25.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 28 Nov 2011 08:25:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4ED3B5AC.8070507@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 16:24:12 +0000 From: AG User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.24) Gecko/20111120 Icedove/3.1.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: One very unhappy Linux user References: <1320988533.2805.11.camel@r-730-linux> <1320998275.21159.25.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <1320999366.2805.19.camel@r-730-linux> <4ED3546B.1050504@gmail.com> <20111128094841.GA22393@bkor.dhs.org> <4ED365C9.8090702@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 16:25:48 -0000 On 28/11/11 16:11, Calum Benson wrote: > On 28 Nov 2011, at 10:43, AG wrote: > >> On 28/11/11 09:48, Olav Vitters wrote: >>> I'm a use Linux and GNOME and I'm perfectly happy with GNOME 3. >> Well, good for you. I use GNU/Linux and Gnome and am not happy with Gnome3 but *am* perfectly happy with Gnome2. And your point is … ? > That your personal opinion is valid but still just a personal opinion, and that other people have different but equally valid personal opinions. So let's hear from 'em as well ;-) Seriously tho' ... can there not be the option in general terms, for all major upgrades to be forked as sideways' developments, rather than as replacements? I'm not against change per se. What I find distasteful is for these changes, decided outside of consultation with the user-base, are then imposed upon that same user-base while simultaneously denying that user-base the option which led them to be users in the first place. This is not okay. This reduces choice and freedom - it doesn't expand or augment it! AG From magnus@therning.org Mon Nov 28 17:33:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F39B75007D for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 17:33:10 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id acy7Izy7xiaa for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 17:33:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DA7575002C for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 17:32:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by faak28 with SMTP id k28so580182faa.27 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 09:32:58 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.144.73 with SMTP id sk9mr28942212lab.34.1322501577775; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 09:32:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.10.104 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 09:32:57 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 18:32:57 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Signing off, bye bye Gnome (at least for now) From: Magnus Therning To: Gnome Users List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 17:33:10 -0000 I'm about to leave all the Gnome mailing lists, but I thought I'd leave a short thank-you note first in an attempt to explain why I, who has used Gnome for the last 5+ years, have decided to jump ship. I started using Gnome because it simply looked better than anything out there. The GTK+ toolkit has always had a nice look, and the themes available allowed me to make things look interesting and fun. I used Metacity for a while, and but then I discovered Xmonad and felt it was a perfect match, especially when run with a full Gnome session behind it. I had the best of all worlds, a WM that was quick, responsive and minimal, and it was backed up by a user friendly environment that offered a great file manager, file associations that worked and configurability that suited me. Then some of the configurability was hidden away. Thankfully there are still hackers out there who dig out how to configure things in gconf and dconf, that combined with a good search engine was enough to let me accept the situation. Then Gnome3 arrived. Arguably the slickest and best-looking DE available. Visually stunning, and innovative in how you interact with it. However, it did have one huge drawback, it removed the ability to replace the WM. That turned out to be the straw that broke the camel's back. I've now tried to live with gnome3 basically since it came out, but now I'm done. I've installed awesome and am in the process of putting in place the bits and pieces that I need. Will I miss Gnome? Oh sure, some things I will miss that's for sure. Thank you, it's been great, but for now I've had it. I'll be back if I ever read that the Gnome developers decide to again power users in the target audience. /M --=20 Magnus Therning =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4 email: magnus@therning.org =C2=A0 jabber: magnus@therning.org twitter: magthe =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 http://the= rning.org/magnus From lenzi.sergio@gmail.com Mon Nov 28 17:46:03 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA40575002F for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 17:46:03 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ELtLnAF5R50Q for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 17:46:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yx0-f182.google.com (mail-yx0-f182.google.com [209.85.213.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5691E75002C for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 17:45:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yenq9 with SMTP id q9so8766575yen.27 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 09:45:51 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:cc:in-reply-to:references :disposition-notification-to:content-type:date:message-id :mime-version:x-mailer; bh=qKQ3TdNZA9On/iGAHj8Xc6KqSCmwPYeMzifD8HvHKOo=; b=l+sR1kI37n7AK8cJIqHg2xNhrasPILhfQRNsH+vrBLKL0WLoLLRMWzqJNRjwj3tOis dweTzPfrv6ggs/+wd6Zqunt3iovs0FF3fHztxWbwK7OESBMJIu2bqBXs4MFNci6lDiG5 1sRAeZc5zy9zzb/M/7hidk20F/sniDlCK8qHo= Received: by 10.236.173.131 with SMTP id v3mr64374230yhl.112.1322502351468; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 09:45:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.6.230] ([201.21.151.230]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 22sm94108318anp.12.2011.11.28.09.45.48 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 28 Nov 2011 09:45:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Signing off, bye bye Gnome (at least for now) From: Sergio de Almeida Lenzi To: Magnus Therning In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-YQ9H9mApVQP9Nid2h7+D" Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 15:45:47 -0200 Message-ID: <1322502347.13740.18.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Cc: Gnome Users List X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 17:46:03 -0000 --=-YQ9H9mApVQP9Nid2h7+D Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Em Seg, 2011-11-28 às 18:32 +0100, Magnus Therning escreveu: > I'm about to leave all the Gnome mailing lists, but I thought I'd > leave a short thank-you note first in an attempt to explain why I, who > has used Gnome for the last 5+ years, have decided to jump ship. Thank you so much, for the information, I am still using gnome 2.32, and I am loking for an alternative.... Your explanation for the Xmonad and awesome... looks great .... I will test it... Cheers, Sergio --=-YQ9H9mApVQP9Nid2h7+D Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Em Seg, 2011-11-28 às 18:32 +0100, Magnus Therning escreveu: 
I'm about to leave all the Gnome mailing lists, but I thought I'd
leave a short thank-you note first in an attempt to explain why I, who
has used Gnome for the last 5+ years, have decided to jump ship.
Thank you so much, for the information, I am still using gnome 2.32, and I am
loking for an alternative....

Your explanation for the Xmonad and awesome... looks great ....
I will test it...

Cheers,

Sergio --=-YQ9H9mApVQP9Nid2h7+D-- From felixtr@gmail.com Thu Nov 24 18:01:05 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C45B75011D for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 18:01:05 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yZREmcqbisgy for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 18:00:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ww0-f46.google.com (mail-ww0-f46.google.com [74.125.82.46]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 399687501BA for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 18:00:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wwg9 with SMTP id 9so2276327wwg.27 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 10:00:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=UbwPFSylXSiJjUeAiByO1jrZzfjA4krfcLCjfa0WTAM=; b=NE2YZEgBP1ajHNoWe/w6YlyqY4BrMt5ruoupcBdsEPt0IQl8H9jPKhICaLGnP1w5Li BB/jL/x2LDDYM9UUTZu1nPkgVIBHLOKs9yfRwDKq7Azf8NUsf5KuVyZBN1LHnkbx0fnb pka/HfHWhmQeqDNBou1AHbDsHoNpLrJiFRHcc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.14.134 with SMTP id p6mr29652467wic.25.1322157649038; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 10:00:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.185.194 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Nov 2011 10:00:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 18:00:48 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: How to find and use GTK source code? From: Felix T To: gnome-list@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04155418020bde04b27ed19c X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 18:02:22 +0000 Cc: Rodrigo Ventura X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 18:01:05 -0000 --f46d04155418020bde04b27ed19c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, My name is Felix, and I am using GTK+ for developing a GUI for a robot (*) in C language under Linux OS. I have a question and would be more than grateful to receive your answer for it. Several times I have met problems for solving which the supplied documentation was not comprehensive enough. I have also tried to overcome those challenges using GTK+ forums, but those were not "alive" enough for supplying an answer to my questions on a reasonable time. Those reasons, have led me to an idea to read the code of GTK+. I have found it in the next link (http://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/), but I couldn't figure out how to find, the needed information for me, in this link . I would be more than grateful if you could explain me how to find a source code of an API function/class/structure, that interests me, in your repositories. An example for such a search: I would like to find a source code of GtkPixbuf, in order to see how I can refresh the data it contains, using memory directly or using API function. I don=B4t know if my request is directed to the right address, If not - I would be grateful, if you could let me know to whom I should appeal. Thanks in advance, Felix. (*) If you are interested in the application of your work, you can take a look on the robot I work with :) http://mediawiki.isr.ist.utl.pt/wiki/RAPOSA_robot --f46d04155418020bde04b27ed19c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello,

My name is Felix, and I am using GTK+ for developing a GUI fo= r a robot (*) in C language under Linux OS.
I have a question and would = be more than grateful to receive your answer for it.

Several times I= have met problems for solving which the supplied documentation was not com= prehensive enough.
I have also tried to overcome those challenges using GTK+ forums, but those= were not "alive" enough for supplying an answer to my questions = on a reasonable time.
Those reasons, have led me to an idea to read the = code of GTK+. I have found it in the next link (http://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/), but I couldn'= ;t figure out how to find, the needed information for me, in this link .
I would be more than grateful if you could explain me how to find a sou= rce code of an API function/class/structure, that interests me, in your rep= ositories.
An example for such a search: I would like to find a source = code of GtkPixbuf, in order to see how I can refresh the data it contains, = using memory directly or using API function.

I don=B4t know if my request is directed to the right address, If not -= I would be grateful, if you could let me know to whom I should appeal.
= Thanks in advance,
Felix.

(*) If you are interested in the applic= ation of your work, you can take a look on the robot I work with :)
http://mediaw= iki.isr.ist.utl.pt/wiki/RAPOSA_robot

--f46d04155418020bde04b27ed19c-- From brian@interlinx.bc.ca Mon Nov 28 13:26:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8C8B750369 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 13:26:29 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.102 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.102 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.201, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uBMespS2fOld for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 13:26:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from linux.interlinx.bc.ca (mail.interlinx.bc.ca [66.11.173.224]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D68675035C for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 13:26:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [IPv6:2001:4978:161:0:224:d7ff:fe7b:1f24] (unknown [IPv6:2001:4978:161:0:224:d7ff:fe7b:1f24]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by linux.interlinx.bc.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8B1918844 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 08:26:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: One very unhappy Linux user From: "Brian J. Murrell" To: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20111128094841.GA22393@bkor.dhs.org> References: <1320988533.2805.11.camel@r-730-linux> <1320998275.21159.25.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <1320999366.2805.19.camel@r-730-linux> <4ED3546B.1050504@gmail.com> <20111128094841.GA22393@bkor.dhs.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 08:26:16 -0500 Message-ID: <1322486776.17131.29.camel@brian-laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 18:02:22 +0000 X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 13:26:30 -0000 On Mon, 2011-11-28 at 10:48 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: > > Furthermore, tablet? GNOME 3 is hardly usable on a tablet. Hardly usable on a desktop and hardly usable on a tablet? What an epic fail then. I was at least hoping that the poor desktop experience was a trade-off for an exceptional tablet experience. If it's hardly usable on a tablet and hardly usable on a desktop, where is it usable? b. From gaelic@luchmhor.net Mon Nov 28 19:00:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1436750091 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 19:00:14 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.698 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.698 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gLi-Pwr4EzJr for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 19:00:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-fx0-f54.google.com (mail-fx0-f54.google.com [209.85.161.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A895F75007D for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 19:00:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by faak28 with SMTP id k28so691704faa.27 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:00:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.149.216 with SMTP id u24mr45849905bkv.73.1322506801947; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:00:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.0.1] ([81.16.106.149]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id jf4sm25930984bkc.5.2011.11.28.11.00.00 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:00:01 -0800 (PST) Sender: gaelic Message-ID: <1322506754.13258.0.camel@localhost.localdomain> Subject: Re: One very unhappy Linux user From: waste To: gnome-list@gnome.org Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 19:59:14 +0100 In-Reply-To: <1320988533.2805.11.camel@r-730-linux> References: <1320988533.2805.11.camel@r-730-linux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.2.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 19:00:15 -0000 We are stuck with a top panel nobody wants, because it is useless. > Who's we? I want the top panel and i find it very useful We are stuck with a way of using the computer nobody wants since it is simply madness. > Again: Who's we? I like the way Gnome-Shell works and behaves Also you must have seen the many comments of different forums where people complain about the new Gnome and who are starting to use KDE, LXDE and/or XFCE. Is that what you want? Was that the plan, scaring away people? If so then why bother making a new Gnome, you could have better just stopped completely. > Well, only those who complain get angry and write it down somewhere. I was a KDE4 user before Gnome3 (never liked or used Gnome2) and I'm now using Gnome3. Because its the way it is. From olav@vitters.nl Mon Nov 28 19:55:43 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEDA77500B0 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 19:55:42 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JSeLPbs1cmqt for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 19:55:40 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 36287 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at menubar.gnome.org; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 19:55:39 UTC Received: from fep17.mx.upcmail.net (fep17.mx.upcmail.net [62.179.121.37]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F07675002C for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 19:55:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edge02.upcmail.net ([192.168.13.237]) by viefep17-int.chello.at (InterMail vM.8.01.02.02 201-2260-120-106-20100312) with ESMTP id <20111128195526.MYMJ10620.viefep17-int.chello.at@edge02.upcmail.net>; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 20:55:26 +0100 Received: from bkor.dhs.org ([62.195.84.29]) by edge02.upcmail.net with edge id 2jvN1i02b0dyCrA02jvNgw; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 20:55:26 +0100 X-SourceIP: 62.195.84.29 Received: by bkor.dhs.org (Postfix, from userid 501) id D83D4500144; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 20:53:28 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 20:53:28 +0100 From: Olav Vitters To: computing.account@gmail.com Subject: Re: One very unhappy Linux user Message-ID: <20111128195328.GA15526@bkor.dhs.org> Mail-Followup-To: computing.account@gmail.com, gnome-list@gnome.org References: <1320988533.2805.11.camel@r-730-linux> <1320998275.21159.25.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <1320999366.2805.19.camel@r-730-linux> <4ED3546B.1050504@gmail.com> <20111128094841.GA22393@bkor.dhs.org> <4ED365C9.8090702@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4ED365C9.8090702@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 19:55:43 -0000 On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 10:43:21AM +0000, AG wrote: > On 28/11/11 09:48, Olav Vitters wrote: > >On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 09:29:15AM +0000, AG wrote: > >>That is hardly the point, is it? The point is that users of > >>GNU/Linux want to use an OS that allows them choice and > >>reconfigurability, etc., and not to have chase the whims of > >>developers. > >I'm a use Linux and GNOME and I'm perfectly happy with GNOME 3. > > Well, good for you. I use GNU/Linux and Gnome and am not happy with > Gnome3 but *am* perfectly happy with Gnome2. And your point is ... > ? This was already answered. > >>Perhaps the developers can fork the projects and call Gnome3 > >>something else, like Gnome Tablet or some such, and continue to > >>offer and support Gnome2 and make it a great DE in terms of removing > >>extant bugs, and memory leaks, etc. > >Most is available under the GPL and LGPL. Feel free to find other > >people. > > Pls clarify what this is supposed to mean? The GNOME developers provided you GNOME 3 and are not maintaining GNOME 2.x. Saying "the developers can fork": yes, anyone can. E.g. there is something called MATE. I don't think it has many developers, or much bug fixing is done. Not sure if you're aware, but GNOME foundation owns the GNOME trademark and so on. > >Find it somewhat impolite that although GNOME is provided for > >free (libre+price), you still dare to say how the developers should > >spend their time. > > This is rich: developers - described by Stallman, Raymond, et al., > as hackers who do it for the love of developing the code, the kudos > of making it work and the pleasure of sticking it to the > corporations in favor of coming up with decent, transparent and > user-readable code - now get pissed at users who don't like what > they do and resort to saying that "it's free - therefore use what we > give you or piss off". I work for a corporation, so do many of the developers. They might do this out of a hobby, but it is not "sticking it to the corporations". I suggest to re-read what Free Software is about. And I'd never use something like "piss off". That all said, I was saying you're being impolite. Your reply doesn't go into this. Just more "piss off" and such phrases. > Great attitude there, Olav. If you are a developer, perhaps you'd > be best off working for a corporation like MS who get paid to *not* > listen to their user base Suggest to use arguments instead of getting personal. > >Furthermore, tablet? GNOME 3 is hardly usable on a tablet. > > And yet the Gnome3 interface has been designed with tablet users in mind. That some things work on a tablet does not make it a tablet edition, which is the name you came up with ("Gnome Tablet"). -- Regards, Olav From olav@vitters.nl Mon Nov 28 19:57:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61C7875002F for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 19:57:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KSxQ6Opn+NI9 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 19:57:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fep16.mx.upcmail.net (fep16.mx.upcmail.net [62.179.121.36]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D10D75002C for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 19:57:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edge02.upcmail.net ([192.168.13.237]) by viefep16-int.chello.at (InterMail vM.8.01.02.02 201-2260-120-106-20100312) with ESMTP id <20111128195659.RAOS11154.viefep16-int.chello.at@edge02.upcmail.net>; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 20:56:59 +0100 Received: from bkor.dhs.org ([62.195.84.29]) by edge02.upcmail.net with edge id 2jwy1i00x0dyCrA02jwyg6; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 20:56:59 +0100 X-SourceIP: 62.195.84.29 Received: by bkor.dhs.org (Postfix, from userid 501) id A7D8C500144; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 20:55:05 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 20:55:05 +0100 From: Olav Vitters To: "Brian J. Murrell" Subject: Re: One very unhappy Linux user Message-ID: <20111128195505.GB15526@bkor.dhs.org> Mail-Followup-To: "Brian J. Murrell" , gnome-list@gnome.org References: <1320988533.2805.11.camel@r-730-linux> <1320998275.21159.25.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <1320999366.2805.19.camel@r-730-linux> <4ED3546B.1050504@gmail.com> <20111128094841.GA22393@bkor.dhs.org> <1322486776.17131.29.camel@brian-laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1322486776.17131.29.camel@brian-laptop> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 19:57:16 -0000 On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 08:26:16AM -0500, Brian J. Murrell wrote: > On Mon, 2011-11-28 at 10:48 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: > > > > Furthermore, tablet? GNOME 3 is hardly usable on a tablet. > > Hardly usable on a desktop and hardly usable on a tablet? What an epic > fail then. I was at least hoping that the poor desktop experience was a > trade-off for an exceptional tablet experience. > > If it's hardly usable on a tablet and hardly usable on a desktop, where > is it usable? This is why you wanted to be unmoderated? Bye! -- Regards, Olav From johnxj@comcast.net Mon Nov 28 22:34:21 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85B3D7500D1 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 22:34:21 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.42 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.42 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z1r+Fyz5njAr for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 22:34:19 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 2958 seconds by postgrey-1.32 at menubar.gnome.org; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 22:34:19 UTC Received: from tomlinson.oit.pdx.edu (tomlinson.oit.pdx.edu [131.252.111.42]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A9BD750091 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 22:34:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailhost.pdx.edu (c-98-246-243-112.hsd1.or.comcast.net [98.246.243.112]) (authenticated bits=0) by tomlinson.oit.pdx.edu (8.13.8/8.13.1) with ESMTP id pASLinpr030186 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 13:44:51 -0800 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 13:44:49 -0800 From: John Jason Jordan To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: One very unhappy Linux user Message-ID: <20111128134449.30098458@mailhost.pdx.edu> In-Reply-To: <1322486776.17131.29.camel@brian-laptop> References: <1320988533.2805.11.camel@r-730-linux> <1320998275.21159.25.camel@z6000.lenzicasa> <1320999366.2805.19.camel@r-730-linux> <4ED3546B.1050504@gmail.com> <20111128094841.GA22393@bkor.dhs.org> <1322486776.17131.29.camel@brian-laptop> Organization: None whatsoever X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.10 (GTK+ 2.24.7; x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.71 on 131.252.111.42 X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 22:34:21 -0000 On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 08:26:16 -0500 "Brian J. Murrell" dijo: >On Mon, 2011-11-28 at 10:48 +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: >> Furthermore, tablet? GNOME 3 is hardly usable on a tablet. >Hardly usable on a desktop and hardly usable on a tablet? What an epic >fail then. I was at least hoping that the poor desktop experience was >a trade-off for an exceptional tablet experience. > >If it's hardly usable on a tablet and hardly usable on a desktop, where >is it usable? I have been reading this thread with some interest, since I recently moved to Xfce as a refugee from Gnome 3. I have little to say regarding usability and preferences, because those are so subjective that my opinion on them would be largely useless to anyone else anyway. I did want to comment on the tablet issue, because it appears that people here have completely misunderstood the reason that Gnome 3 looks sort of like a tablet. It is not so that Gnome 3 will run on a tablet. It is to make Gnome 3 appear comfortable to those who have learned how to use tablets and, to a lesser extent, the newer smartphones. Just about all tablets and the vast majority of smartphones run Android or Apple operating systems, and the GUIs are so similar that the largest Android phone manufacturer (Samsung) is in court with Apple in more countries than I can count. That GUI is very icon-centric, as would be expected of a touchscreen device. Gnome developers are banking on the further proliferation of tablets and smartphones in the marketplace, and their gamble may be well placed. Forget about making a GUI that Windows or Mac users are comfortable with; both those platforms are going to lose market share to tablets, or so the Gnome developers expect. Indeed, tablets may become the entry computer of the future, and when I watch people fiddling with their phones in the mall they are overwhelmingly smartphones with touchscreens. It would not surprise me to see Microsoft and Apple release tablet-like GUIs for Windows and MacOS. It's all about marketing. People will buy what they are comfortable with; people do not want to be challenged (present company excepted). From gojan.wan@gmail.com Mon Nov 28 23:21:51 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A17787500BA for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 23:21:51 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0IYFvOMXalwZ for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 23:21:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F560750020 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 23:21:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eaai12 with SMTP id i12so4188725eaa.27 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 15:21:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=saU5t3sNa25hkpga9I5Hgy/HTbumpHO8EGJk12PdURc=; b=KwAU+E4aStOHx/33XlkgNWijn6zV9/nDz7WqXqT4C7Gb9vyD3lc+Y2Ne0eGmmnUuY1 jpwwNCitsgvqRdnnzkP1Z77EeRPsXtoJ0Hhj4z+P3z9fo94Hey9OV8Nt0ekr8T0+oEkC qrTyEZBMCdsAv0z78cLVb3eCEwt0oz3BGZr5E= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.207.146 with SMTP id fy18mr6071486wbb.14.1322522499512; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 15:21:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.28.154 with HTTP; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 15:21:39 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 21:21:39 -0200 Message-ID: Subject: Log out menu From: Bruno Berisso To: gnome-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 23:21:51 -0000 Hi. I have an issue with the logout menu. I have two users in my linux box, plus the root. In the first one, the one that's i create previous to the gnome installation, when I choose the "log out" from the upper right corner menu it's close the session and let mi in the user login screen. With the second user, created from the "Sytem Settings"->"User Accounts", when I choos "log out" it's show mi a message window with the options "Shoot down", "Reboot" and "Log out". How can I get this behavior in the first user to? Thanks -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Este mensaje no contiene virus, debido a que todo su contenido se ha generado bajo Linux. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From awilliam@whitemice.org Tue Nov 29 01:57:13 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2315F7500D1 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 01:57:13 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XePA4Kl-1Qcp for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 01:57:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.wmmi.net (aleph.wmmi.net [72.14.190.87]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D539A750091 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 01:57:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.66.1.100] (99-48-204-182.lightspeed.brhmmi.sbcglobal.net [99.48.204.182]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: awilliam) by mail.wmmi.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DBD0FA6A for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 20:57:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1322531785.3259.2.camel@linux-dauq.site> Subject: global gsettings / desktop admin? From: Adam Tauno Williams To: gnome-list@gnome.org Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 20:56:25 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.2.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: awilliam@whitemice.org List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 01:57:13 -0000 openSUSE 12.1 GNOME 3.2.1 x86_64 I'm looking for how to set a user's settings as the administrator? Or set a global default/settings. I keep finding web sites and BLOB posts that seem to imply this is possible with gsettings / dconf.... but I can't find a single example of the syntax. Tips / Pointers? I need to set a few settings for all the desktop users of a system. From a.j.w@me.com Tue Nov 29 06:08:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A10977500DB for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 06:08:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id F8IleZd3L0an for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 06:08:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from asmtpout029.mac.com (asmtpout029.mac.com [17.148.16.104]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB7B8750091 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 06:08:06 +0000 (UTC) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII; format=flowed Received: from [192.168.253.170] (82-69-231-41.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk [82.69.231.41]) by asmtp029.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01 (7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTPSA id <0LVE002Q8RNXIX30@asmtp029.mac.com> for gnome-list@gnome.org; Mon, 28 Nov 2011 22:07:13 -0800 (PST) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.5.7110,1.0.211,0.0.0000 definitions=2011-11-29_01:2011-11-28, 2011-11-29, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=5 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1111280389 Message-id: <4ED47679.3060704@me.com> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 06:06:49 +0000 From: Andrew Wood User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686 on x86_64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Bug with adding network printer (IPP) in Gnome 3? X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 06:08:16 -0000 Is there a bug with adding a new network printer (IPP) in Gnome 3 because I am unable to do it in both Fedora 15 (Gnome 3.0) Fedora 16 (Gnome 3.2) and Debian Wheezy (Gnome 3.0). There seems to always have been a bug that prevented you from adding a printer using its DNS hostname, Ive always had to put in the IP address, but in Gnome 3 even when you enter the IP and click search, when the printer make/model comes up, clicking the Add button cuases System Settings to hang. Is anyone else aware of this problem? From fredm@gnome.org Tue Nov 29 06:43:11 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 262607500DB for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 06:43:11 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.121 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.121 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779] autolearn=no Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id a2W-5iBkhCOf for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 06:43:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hkmx01.candishosting.com.cn (hkmx01.candishosting.com.cn [180.92.188.74]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C15E2750091 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 06:43:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by hkmx01.candishosting.com.cn (Postfix) with ESMTP id 785661F48FB for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 14:42:58 +0800 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at hkmx01.candishosting.com.cn Received: from hkmx01.candishosting.com.cn ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (hkmx01.candishosting.com.cn [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zs7cppfbwuMH for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 14:42:56 +0800 (CST) Received: from bjmx03.candishosting.com.cn (bjmx03.candishosting.com.cn [211.147.216.7]) by hkmx01.candishosting.com.cn (Postfix) with ESMTP id 292CC1F49A5 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 14:42:56 +0800 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by bjmx03.candishosting.com.cn (Postfix) with ESMTP id 492542342A4 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 14:42:55 +0800 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at bjmx03.candishosting.com.cn Received: from bjmx03.candishosting.com.cn ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bjmx03.candishosting.com.cn [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K666PT7jPztG for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 14:42:52 +0800 (CST) Received: from [192.168.2.101] (unknown [119.121.74.8]) by bjmx03.candishosting.com.cn (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 196B42342A2 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 14:42:52 +0800 (CST) Message-ID: <4ED47EE5.2000407@gnome.org> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 14:42:45 +0800 From: Frederic Muller User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111115 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Bug with adding network printer (IPP) in Gnome 3? References: <4ED47679.3060704@me.com> In-Reply-To: <4ED47679.3060704@me.com> X-Stationery: 0.7.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 06:43:11 -0000 Hi! Have you tried filling a bug against F15 or F16? I use a CUPS server and adding the IP address correctly finds the printer and adds it in F16 (I can even print ;-) ). I did have some issues in the past though (just forgot which one and I don't print much). Hope that helps. Fred On 11/29/2011 02:06 PM, Andrew Wood wrote: > Is there a bug with adding a new network printer (IPP) in Gnome 3 > because I am unable to do it in both Fedora 15 (Gnome 3.0) Fedora 16 > (Gnome 3.2) and Debian Wheezy (Gnome 3.0). > There seems to always have been a bug that prevented you from adding a > printer using its DNS hostname, Ive always had to put in the IP address, > but in Gnome 3 even when you enter the IP and click search, when the > printer make/model comes up, clicking the Add button cuases System > Settings to hang. > > Is anyone else aware of this problem? > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list > From olav@vitters.nl Tue Nov 29 09:37:28 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0F6575016D for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 09:37:28 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f8Ti+FLmQ5gf for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 09:37:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fep13.mx.upcmail.net (fep13.mx.upcmail.net [62.179.121.33]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9518E750082 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 09:37:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edge01.upcmail.net ([192.168.13.236]) by viefep13-int.chello.at (InterMail vM.8.01.02.02 201-2260-120-106-20100312) with ESMTP id <20111129093709.SQGN864.viefep13-int.chello.at@edge01.upcmail.net>; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 10:37:09 +0100 Received: from bkor.dhs.org ([62.195.84.29]) by edge01.upcmail.net with edge id 2xd31i00s0dyCrA01xd3V8; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 10:37:09 +0100 X-SourceIP: 62.195.84.29 Received: by bkor.dhs.org (Postfix, from userid 501) id 60DEC500303; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 10:35:10 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 10:35:10 +0100 From: Olav Vitters To: Magnus Therning Subject: Re: Signing off, bye bye Gnome (at least for now) Message-ID: <20111129093510.GA31488@bkor.dhs.org> Mail-Followup-To: Magnus Therning , Gnome Users List References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Cc: Gnome Users List X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 09:37:29 -0000 On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 06:32:57PM +0100, Magnus Therning wrote: > I'm about to leave all the Gnome mailing lists, but I thought I'd > leave a short thank-you note first in an attempt to explain why I, who > has used Gnome for the last 5+ years, have decided to jump ship. Honestly sorry to see you go. I do recognize your name, though cannot recall from what (guess bugreports, mailing lists, etc). -- Regards, Olav From henri.delbos@free.fr Tue Nov 29 11:44:10 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD25F75013A for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 11:44:10 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4dcJuRZiIULh for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 11:44:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp4-g21.free.fr (smtp4-g21.free.fr [212.27.42.4]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2921475012D for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 11:43:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.128.201] (unknown [81.57.92.53]) by smtp4-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12E224C8502 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 12:43:51 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4ED4C64C.8020400@free.fr> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 12:47:24 +0100 From: henri delbos User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.24) Gecko/20111114 Iceowl/1.0b2 Icedove/3.1.16 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: One very unhappy Linux user Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 11:44:10 -0000 Hi, I'am a french and perhaps I havn't fully understand this topic, but as non-developer I only can « take my hat down to the ground » for their work for all free software on GNU/Linux and *BSD. Along this thread I finaly have impression to hear my young small grandaughter (5 years old) when she say she « want » to name a cat is a dog, because "cat" she don't agree. I am on Debian «wheezy» (testing) and from month at the time some parts of gnome3 appears. Debian squeeze (satble one) is always on gnome 2.3x. I know...It's debian,but!... Developers have in mind to improve this software and have brainstorming to lauch the work. You don't love their choices? 1) You, you make a fork. 2) You know other ones that unagree? Whole make a fork. And never forgot we are here to find or give help, then discuss ideas but not to fire upon (wo)man themselves. And, yes I am a very basic user, I don't refine my desktop again and again to have exactly what I want, so with my old computer I can't use gnome-shell but now I have my prefered applications in the top bar and the open windows in the bottom one, what I had whith gnome2. It's enough for me. kde I don't love; xfce,lxde,e17... I'll never be able to use them so easily than gnome2 and gnome3 and I know nothing to development. Yes gnome3 is'nt perfect (Is my «perfect» the same as yours?), but it is and nobody force nobody to use it. You are free! From gojan.wan@gmail.com Tue Nov 29 12:41:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC4AB75013E for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 12:41:14 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8u4SAlM0f-EI for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 12:41:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ee0-f54.google.com (mail-ee0-f54.google.com [74.125.83.54]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE02F75010D for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 12:41:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eekc13 with SMTP id c13so1848566eek.27 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 04:41:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=3/dC84sYP9YSQCwp3mWvuLvgBpkNQfGUfipdD42Mbc0=; b=cy9KjyCidW0NAQmGZK0n8OgOdliqiLNZi9lotvQnex0LWT3KBni56O2XPyxRVxmZ6j OFE6Eu7F3KUU7Mu7GaSkQBS8WnqEbhAU15XiwlnhLZMCkOzgUIL4ixpTdSTobj36q+/l fCu4Zk/u+d+CLixUlnST5DzBr8ugzi1v0McbY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.133.218 with SMTP id q68mr5078wei.42.1322570150235; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 04:35:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.28.154 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Nov 2011 04:35:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <204128805.394430.1322531824868.JavaMail.root@md09.embarq.synacor.com> References: <204128805.394430.1322531824868.JavaMail.root@md09.embarq.synacor.com> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 10:35:50 -0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Log out menu From: Bruno Berisso To: gnome-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 12:41:15 -0000 Hi ergodic, thanks for you answers. Yes, I use the "Alt" key for shoot down, but what I need is a fast wayto reboot. I'm already try "Alt + F2" then "r" but it's doesn't work,just don't do nothing. I think that the problem is in dbus... For some reason when I hit the"log out" option in the user menu it's not call/usr/share/gnome-shell/js/ui/endSessionDialog.js as it does in myother user. 2011/11/28 ergodic : > Bruno I forgot to mention that you can access the "Shoot down" option by = pressing the "Alt" button. =A0When you do this "Suspend" changes to "Power = off..." while "Alt" is depressed. =A0Give it a try. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- >> Hi. >> >> I have an issue with the logout menu. >> I have two users in my linux box, plus the root. In the first one, the >> one that's i create previous to the gnome installation, when I choose >> the "log out" from the upper right corner menu it's close the session >> and let mi in the user login screen. >> >> With the second user, created from the "Sytem Settings"->"User >> Accounts", when I choos "log out" it's show mi a message window with >> the options "Shoot down", "Reboot" and "Log out". >> >> How can I get this behavior in the first user to? >> >> Thanks >> >> -- >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------- >> Este mensaje no contiene virus, debido a que todo su contenido se ha >> generado bajo Linux. >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------------- >> _______________________________________________ >> gnome-list mailing list >> gnome-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list --=20 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------------------------------------------- Este mensaje no contiene virus, debido a que todo su contenido se ha generado bajo Linux. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------------------------------------------- From billlinux@rogers.com Wed Nov 30 16:28:32 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36ACA75008B for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 16:28:32 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pNEl3jXksWDL for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 16:28:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm16.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm16.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.143]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 75057750068 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 16:28:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.44.96] by nm16.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2011 16:28:19 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.90] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2011 16:28:19 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1027.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2011 16:28:19 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 760025.39736.bm@omp1027.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 4105 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2011 16:28:18 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Subject:From:To:Date:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID:Mime-Version; b=6R0QfKhy52Zl5XTa/HHN2+y5E9c43CbhQC1F+WhSvDI+UjF3Dd9DXbGlp+W+8TLz6XX9Y72jASuRdTgWv4X0bx/vfbDPnYkFSq+X/ARpO8FQx8K5orR2rxFuZ6g22ogDYFcaeYBRXn4uxQeYfiNrQ8OQ9V1ufB3IScQMydX72/w= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rogers.com; s=s1024; t=1322670498; bh=DLSSZZpZGjmw7XiDYOZC8whm+ufvays8AF910KYqONs=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Subject:From:To:Date:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID:Mime-Version; b=lTB5lCmBnJkurVugDC/8sRNqeFwzVfFlomX/WsBRu/IUtAb9xn6muLI9HfYTpZ5Zq97EXMgB7k+D0J3kStVmgLd9SAEJKmUtFe/U6cTQUEETMFfERmIGwR6PTxmd03PjevSIWF46VHTFuj/kJd2cB9/GWZZ6fmm7dhynf+cTj9M= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: LXFhHzMVM1nvoh2X_5EKbsOc5m67eK4fNhy6AkcbvXJpBQa .un4Mfmpk3uUw_QMxW04NkcqPVQmM820qIy6kG5fHMPAcdLPxtiD5NXsdANP n3drk3e_nXstpTwbjTD30Rj1H5e9q1W4MUQxuGTo9iu5SrOaqnoctim4G0mf dk.TatWXxS66fmPjaHfgBNtYPevouNxwEWeVLYHl2IAYxDlZ4b_8HCtdctBG EVKBqSc6u1xcusGftX0brtqou8XUP3ThxhnCBLeLk5WLqfwMzi7vKmEdJW12 no3YWScbs.NzXkxRPhuVd2jUTjjlCWTtiWFtak1Gaqzz.zJ6eOOGC4bPvuFc WCGN9lZr7LxdsxCZXtLnMs2Qfl8zVEQR.kjNRgVOnyUJGmAmiKGB8 X-Yahoo-SMTP: 7X7OtiSswBAcvcTfZzvpTnDh0dXvfrdNxDwinW3exNEf Received: from [192.168.1.4] (billlinux@99.246.84.30 with plain) by smtp108.rog.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2011 08:28:18 -0800 PST Subject: Writing scripts for Gnome 3. From: William Case To: Gnome Users List Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 11:28:17 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.0.3 (3.0.3-1.fc15) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1322670498.1635.4.camel@CASE> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 16:28:32 -0000 What is the best way to go about writing scripts for Gnome 3 ? Where would I look for Gnome 3 commands to incorporate in a script ? How would I go about requesting a fairly complex enhancement? I don't think what I have in mind would be appropriate for a bugzilla request. -- Regards Bill Fedora 15, Gnome 3.0.2 Evo.3.0.2, Emacs 23.2.1 From billlinux@rogers.com Wed Nov 30 17:38:48 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D153475006F for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 17:38:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RNZCwjSSpVcu for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 17:38:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm22-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com (nm22-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com [98.139.44.178]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4A333750068 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 17:38:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.44.96] by nm22.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2011 17:38:37 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.80] by tm1.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2011 17:38:37 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1017.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2011 17:38:37 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 320800.25335.bm@omp1017.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 13372 invoked from network); 30 Nov 2011 17:38:36 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Subject:From:To:Date:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID:Mime-Version; b=GegPuOll2aYLdyj3i4G80ouAAJ7W1fW+IhVoZKBYIALs4MXjgEbCHzqF2Em8E7XJFvAy/Rgkx0Lo+NuhGAKJJ1Fq3buxM3p6V72kKpPdmfceFVloMz/XugwZqL8TttAbDx7sbfPvqd1p7HPiaypwEgAyvTVWaiyJpCBAsp+kQ90= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rogers.com; s=s1024; t=1322674716; bh=dqxjMz4oPvUVLBd36zBYGbGLa6HPipf6nu2pzU32/QY=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Subject:From:To:Date:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID:Mime-Version; b=qDTerIGG8FX8rdAgzmhu7kuHvOec8ovY7f2xf8S7P6Y5es8hXTImGKhqifOdf/NwfWO6QNKhnqE4zvUKjmpEsZGnUTy1rLRUiupdgxE0eV94u4vTmYIVGS/3Lrl9kcj68gqU7QifSC26ypn3Z1W9nIvfgfc3juillOt9UHEI76g= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: mSqv7swVM1kcbLjcdkGW0wivRnZQ.iTuCo1kA0Oco8sck2j 437uGsavfP0zwFUU4KiM9t.4uAp7nbO59kFwxG2iSG1.WgZ5Fs6MrDqSxLYv .pfJ9OkPTc1PSXnDIk30Df3_9XPnbI5QtvQ9RCgAK3fnllXDDWPmm6BTfCSQ 2WCJEIaJFEdkwlHJvumUHILI_AhuHaJc50WxZbafqA4eBhXnIf4rLDXqt6R4 Fi_yFhA9iQKfvGZKCV3RM0hzPS6TK6P0Ktue_3AyPnTH.I1gXPTob5zlHseq 7iGV4m.3LwmWT36yC80XVZsnVp5NCPbpU1WRjaIs87T7VvU.aT6CW4vO.GNH IQLmVo8bkvSfY8Jfe4xzBUHeZnwWeOD4Q48hm8AgdMdUNqGWUgv3uKPWGylw TAT04F9X4Ikq98UPy0BFpXmPtCJ57 X-Yahoo-SMTP: 7X7OtiSswBAcvcTfZzvpTnDh0dXvfrdNxDwinW3exNEf Received: from [192.168.1.4] (billlinux@99.246.84.30 with plain) by smtp103.rog.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2011 09:38:36 -0800 PST Subject: Adding mouse gestures to Gonome 3? From: William Case To: Gnome Users List Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 12:38:35 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.0.3 (3.0.3-1.fc15) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <1322674716.2765.7.camel@CASE> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 17:38:49 -0000 Any suggestions about how to add mouse gestures? As Gnome 3 is now configured I can move and run anything I want from the keyboard. That's fine for me because most of the time I prefer to work from the keyboard. But not always. Every thing I do by two handed keyboarding, I should be able to do by one handed mouse clicks or gestures. In a way the mouse cursor is a substitute for my finger on an ipad or whatever, I want a mouse gesture or click that is equivalent to a CTRL+ALT+ uparrow or downarrow. -- Regards Bill Fedora 15, Gnome 3.0.2 Evo.3.0.2, Emacs 23.2.1 From wbugar@yahoo.com Wed Nov 30 20:40:40 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 876B175008B for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 20:40:40 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.499 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.499 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.201] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8C8jxaJBbFBJ for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 20:40:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm39-vm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (nm39-vm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com [72.30.239.151]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D138B750172 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 20:40:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [98.139.212.153] by nm39.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2011 20:40:28 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.243] by tm10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2011 20:40:28 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1052.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Nov 2011 20:40:28 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 958031.43122.bm@omp1052.mail.bf1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 67436 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Nov 2011 20:40:28 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1322685628; bh=jxn05s6cg5QXyN5JFxX49Qdo8NSi7rfzWc5gciHypec=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=EwqkMz8V8zDKrCDao3ZxnzstCng7CzD5inoGlNEbY6UacsZv0azxDAZ5uVIz+/uH4x11xDdXLeTg4wX0BGPetRU5VrXj9VltcTsmVkEIX6K2nOFuzVsJMTr862Ke5eSTjhoPd/t6Cer7+vibmmCOJV4NDw4IpI4oN+KUMyKSX9c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=SPXe2f0nHQVD6/Og5wjZTbyx1um5+iThytX+e2uYnTuHxgZXVwLubGqME5ajTYmqAdpjdV2jTd9xtxg2KdIDIGU70sSTrYgdEetdZzhQ15PWQ5TKrqUGrTPzCPbfH/JohOtZVp7GgZKtsKiO+VP1MqaHkZIQbqLARvjuKrbNrSU=; X-YMail-OSG: jlNPrwMVM1mdDhM3Ijciied3EVPs9KXMqjV_ZiVAfzgMAtZ kNgpKJJhGrBEe2SDTEGrcb3kLQUFiwGZr8LaZtTj2F_AKWUcDb4QDlBNsCx4 NYruQakMf6yc1wpdP9Ih4Lojhb37J3qdeFy9.gKIxPCeu0Eo11ZwVATEDzcC 8f1TnQY6akv1t0ZbXN6GGBFoqoazJvgPCABw6s698pN2yIQinpwwnwkcqJMn tOB0874m0vPiOVUjDrshWpmqeSxN11JbN3EsO53vMhphjgChmZWE8QpYM_Si pNMnCZa0uAu5uqf42hTTTEt5uGK8kYEh_7qrLhLqLV6p64iWk4QEWS.qgYw_ 2SFCzGc2W2cPcUemW9XF0e4J5Rtgm9IyLI1jHNdM2uD2h0IQTxmGBUy14Jjy V9CJC3MwAOSrS7mG8sfWtm9woZLtyDMMrG1OER452J.U- Received: from [192.203.137.204] by web162003.mail.bf1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 12:40:28 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.4 YahooMailWebService/0.8.115.331698 Message-ID: <1322685628.50258.YahooMailClassic@web162003.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 12:40:28 -0800 (PST) From: w bugar Subject: tracker To: gnome-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1705842018-250360141-1322685628=:50258" X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 20:40:40 -0000 --1705842018-250360141-1322685628=:50258 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Just installed the newest SUSE, deselected tracker during the install (with a 'break gnome' error msg), after the reboot the gnome wm is not an option. Why do I need to *have* tracker installed to get the gnome wm? On the plus side, I'm now getting to play with the ice wm. --1705842018-250360141-1322685628=:50258 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Just installed the newest SUSE, deselected tracker during the install (with a 'break gnome' error msg), after the reboot the gnome wm is not an option. Why do I need to *have* tracker installed to get the gnome wm? On the plus side, I'm now getting to play with the ice wm.
--1705842018-250360141-1322685628=:50258-- From awilliam@whitemice.org Wed Nov 30 21:23:56 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 444837500C7 for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 21:23:56 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xnv0pWou8+0b for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 21:23:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.wmmi.net (aleph.wmmi.net [72.14.190.87]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0BC375008B for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 21:23:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.97] (mail.mormail.com [216.120.174.227]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: awilliam) by mail.wmmi.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4B4AFA6A for ; Wed, 30 Nov 2011 16:23:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1322688187.3165.3.camel@linux-dauq.site> Subject: Re: tracker From: Adam Tauno Williams To: gnome-list@gnome.org Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 16:23:07 -0500 In-Reply-To: <1322685628.50258.YahooMailClassic@web162003.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1322685628.50258.YahooMailClassic@web162003.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.2.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: awilliam@whitemice.org List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 21:23:56 -0000 >Just installed the newest SUSE, deselected tracker during the install > (with a 'break gnome' error msg), after the reboot the gnome wm is not If you proceeded through a "break gnome" error then you should expect GNOME to be broken. You need to reinstall the packages that were removed. Re-applying the GNOME pattern may correct the problem. >an option. Why do I need to *have* tracker installed to get the gnome > wm? Beats me; there must be a dependency somewhere [although I've seen people on the list claim to have removed it without issue]. On the other hand - removing it is a pointless effort. You can simply disable it. Or use it - it rocks!