From JRobertson@MedEvolve.com Sun Jun 4 15:58:41 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org Received: from inet_svr.medevolve.com (adsl-208-190-235-130.dsl.ltrkar.swbell.net [208.190.235.130]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67AA32BABD for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 15:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by adsl-208-190-235-130.dsl.ltrkar.swbell.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Sun, 4 Jun 2000 14:56:07 -0500 Message-ID: From: JRobertson@MedEvolve.com To: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org Subject: Xservers Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 14:55:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BFCE5E.EBABCB90" Sender: gnome-kde-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-kde-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta2 Precedence: bulk List-Id: GNOME/KDE interoperability This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BFCE5E.EBABCB90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" This may be a FAQ, but I couldn't find such a list and the mailing list archives are a pain to use. Does GNOME use the Xservers file to determine which servers to start like KDE does? --Jon Good programming is 40% experience, 30% skill, 20% RTFM, 10% caffeine, and 5% attention to detail. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BFCE5E.EBABCB90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Xservers

This may be a FAQ, but I couldn't find such a list and the mailing list archives are a pain to use.

Does GNOME use the Xservers file to determine which servers to start like KDE does?

--Jon
Good programming is 40% experience, 30% skill, 20% RTFM,
10% caffeine, and 5% attention to detail.

------_=_NextPart_001_01BFCE5E.EBABCB90-- From JRobertson@MedEvolve.com Mon Jun 5 12:52:00 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org Received: from inet_svr.medevolve.com (adsl-208-190-235-130.dsl.ltrkar.swbell.net [208.190.235.130]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7173A2BCCC for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 12:52:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by adsl-208-190-235-130.dsl.ltrkar.swbell.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 5 Jun 2000 11:49:28 -0500 Message-ID: From: JRobertson@MedEvolve.com To: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org Subject: RE: Xservers Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 11:49:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BFCF0E.0283B8D0" Sender: gnome-kde-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-kde-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta2 Precedence: bulk List-Id: GNOME/KDE interoperability This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BFCF0E.0283B8D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Oh crap. I don't know how or why an HTML message was sent. My settings are set for Plain Text. Outlook did something weird on me. I apologize for that garbage... ------_=_NextPart_001_01BFCF0E.0283B8D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Xservers

Oh crap.  I don't know how or why an HTML = message was sent.  My settings are set for Plain Text.  = Outlook did something weird on me.

I apologize for that garbage...

------_=_NextPart_001_01BFCF0E.0283B8D0-- From francoisj@macadamian.com Thu Jun 15 13:57:04 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org Received: from mx2.magma.ca (mx2.magma.ca [206.191.0.250]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E6382BC70 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:57:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail4.magma.ca (mail4.magma.ca [206.191.0.222]) by mx2.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA08095 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:53:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from macadamian.com (mothership.macadamian.com [206.191.21.204]) by mail4.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA27285 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 13:53:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39491804.99A71931@macadamian.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 17:53:08 +0000 From: Francois Jacques Organization: Macadamian Technologies Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-5.0 i686) X-Accept-Language: fr, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org Subject: X workarea height Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-kde-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-kde-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta2 Precedence: bulk List-Id: GNOME/KDE interoperability Hi folks, I'm trying to retrieve the size of workarea from either GNOME or KDE environments. By workarea, I mean a) Xdesktop height - gnomepanel height (Gnome) b) Xdesktop height - kpanel height (KDE) any ideas? Thanks Francois Jacques PS: if not the right mailing list for such questions, please let me know, thanks! From aj@dungeon.inka.de Thu Jun 15 14:16:10 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.inka.de (quechua.inka.de [212.227.14.2]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A596E2CB25 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 14:16:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dungeon.inka.de by mail.inka.de with uucp (rmailwrap 0.4) id 132e7o-0007Ys-00; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 20:12:20 +0200 Received: by dungeon.inka.de (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 44AE2B78FE; Thu, 15 Jun 2000 20:08:17 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 20:08:17 +0200 From: Andreas Jellinghaus To: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org Subject: interoperability Message-ID: <20000615200817.B23695@dungeon.inka.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.0.1i Sender: gnome-kde-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-kde-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta2 Precedence: bulk List-Id: GNOME/KDE interoperability iīm looking for documents how to set up a system, where the user can choose either a kde centric or a gnome centric session (windowmanagaer + filemanager), and the still run every app. for historic reasons i have a very well working gnome (debian potato version), but any tries to run kde 2.0beta in it failed so far. there are several servers like the dcop server that need to be running, and kde doesnīt start them itself. gnome on the other side starts esd on demand. so, what programs are necessary for kde apps to work, if the session was "booted" via gnome-session ? so, what programs are necessary for gnome apsp to work, if the session was "booted" via kde ? also, how compatible is the session management ? can gnome-session remember and restore kde apps ? can the kde session management remember and restore gnome apps ? i realy like to offer both and let the users choose. and i donīt want a "either" solution, but allow to mix the applications. regards, andreas From uraeus@linuxrising.org Sun Jun 18 06:52:52 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org Received: from mta01.chello.no (mta01.chello.no [212.186.255.12]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D6292BAE9 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 06:52:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from linuxrising.org ([212.186.233.29]) by mta01.chello.no (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 77df2db80a2bdce4d335ff4839618d42) with ESMTP id <20000618104918.VMYI27441.mta01@linuxrising.org> for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 12:49:18 +0200 Message-ID: <394CA91E.41F19DB2@linuxrising.org> Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 12:49:02 +0200 From: Christian Schaller X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-5.0 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org Subject: Suggestion for minor interoperability advance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-kde-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-kde-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta2 Precedence: bulk List-Id: GNOME/KDE interoperability Hi, I tried to open discussion on this on the #GNOME channel last night, since we had some KDE develoeprs there then, but it seemed that people where a bit tired after the long Kparts & bonobo discussion, so I thought I should take it here instead. One part that would make things a bit easier for users, yet which I don't think would cause major discomfort for either project is a standard was established is mime-type registration. Since both projects are getting new file browsers I would think that now would be an ideal time to agree upon a common standard for how mime-types can be registered. AFAIK this is currently handled through simple text files similar to the .desktop files for both systems, so if a standard was reached for the . desktop files themn it is probably reachable here too. This would probably be an ideal project for Havoc's freedesktop.org group to work on. my 0.002 cents, Christian From hp@redhat.com Sun Jun 18 12:04:53 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org Received: from icon.labs.redhat.com (icon.labs.redhat.com [207.175.42.144]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D834E2C7E9 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 12:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from hp@localhost) by icon.labs.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA14672; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 12:12:53 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.labs.redhat.com: hp set sender to hp@redhat.com using -f To: Christian Schaller Cc: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Suggestion for minor interoperability advance References: <394CA91E.41F19DB2@linuxrising.org> From: Havoc Pennington Date: 18 Jun 2000 12:12:53 -0400 In-Reply-To: Christian Schaller's message of "Sun, 18 Jun 2000 12:49:02 +0200" Message-ID: Lines: 12 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0803 (Gnus v5.8.3) Emacs/20.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-kde-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-kde-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta2 Precedence: bulk List-Id: GNOME/KDE interoperability Christian Schaller writes: > This would probably be an ideal project for Havoc's freedesktop.org > group to work on. > Yep. We need a volunteer from each project who can work on writing down the spec - volunteers probably need to be people who work on the MIME stuff. If anyone's interested, send me mail and I can set up CVS on freedesktop.org. Havoc From konold@suse.de Sun Jun 18 11:51:49 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org Received: from Cantor.suse.de (Cantor.suse.de [194.112.123.193]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C37722C7DE for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 11:51:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Hermes.suse.de (Hermes.suse.de [194.112.123.136]) by Cantor.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85EDE1E1A0; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 17:47:55 +0200 (MEST) Received: from susefra1.fra.suse.de (susefra1.fra.suse.de [10.70.1.100]) by Hermes.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B24910A026; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 17:47:54 +0200 (MEST) Received: from mail.str.suse.de (postfix@main.str.suse.de [10.90.1.100]) by susefra1.fra.suse.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08548; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 17:46:35 +0200 Received: by mail.str.suse.de ('', from userid 25121) id 9214D3313B; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 17:47:27 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.str.suse.de ('') with ESMTP id 89B97234E8; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 17:47:27 +0200 (MEST) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 17:47:27 +0200 (MEST) From: Martin Konold X-Sender: konold@main.str.suse.de To: Christian Schaller Cc: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Suggestion for minor interoperability advance In-Reply-To: <394CA91E.41F19DB2@linuxrising.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-kde-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-kde-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta2 Precedence: bulk List-Id: GNOME/KDE interoperability On Sun, 18 Jun 2000, Christian Schaller wrote: Oh,.. sofar I have been under the impression that we are already compatible in this area. Where are the problems? How does GNOME handle it currently and i the future? Yours, -- martin > standard was established is mime-type registration. > > Since both projects are getting new file browsers I would think that > now would be an ideal time to agree upon a common standard for how > mime-types can be registered. AFAIK this is currently handled through > simple text files similar to the .desktop files for both systems, so if > a standard was reached for the . desktop files themn it is probably > reachable here too. > > This would probably be an ideal project for Havoc's freedesktop.org > group to work on. > > my 0.002 cents, > Christian > > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-kde-list mailing list > gnome-kde-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-kde-list > From aj@dungeon.inka.de Sun Jun 18 13:03:47 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.inka.de (quechua.inka.de [212.227.14.2]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA37E2BADF for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 13:03:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dungeon.inka.de by mail.inka.de with uucp (rmailwrap 0.4) id 133iQL-0004Zb-00; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 18:59:53 +0200 Received: by dungeon.inka.de (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2CBC0B791C; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 18:58:54 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 18:58:54 +0200 From: Andreas Jellinghaus To: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Suggestion for minor interoperability advance Message-ID: <20000618185853.B29106@dungeon.inka.de> References: <394CA91E.41F19DB2@linuxrising.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from konold@suse.de on Sun, Jun 18, 2000 at 05:47:27PM +0200 Sender: gnome-kde-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-kde-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta2 Precedence: bulk List-Id: GNOME/KDE interoperability one small suggestion: the desktop files are already compatible. but missing is this (or is it undocumented ?): the location of the various desktop files and their pixmap files are at best compile time defined. this should be configureable at runtime, best via a config file in /etc (so the admin can configure it once for all users). for example i compiled kde to /opt/kde-1.91 (and the previous version to /opt/kde-1.90). i managed to get both trees, and our own local tree to both desktop environments with symlinks, but the pixmap paths didnīt survive that. (no, i will not add a symlink for every pixmap, thatīs insane.) also, gnome has .order files, where i pre-set the order. thatīs nice, so i can put the university menu at the top. iīm not sure if kde knows about that. (not sure: IIRC the order does not work, once LANG is set ?) regards, andreas From Uraeus@linuxrising.org Sun Jun 18 13:10:57 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org Received: from mta01.chello.no (mta01.chello.no [212.186.255.12]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1BA52BADF for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 13:10:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([212.186.233.29]) by mta01.chello.no (InterMail vK.4.02.00.00 201-232-116 license 77df2db80a2bdce4d335ff4839618d42) with SMTP id <20000618170726.VRYH27441.mta01@localhost.localdomain>; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 19:07:26 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 From: Christian Schaller To: hp@redhat.com, gnome-kde-list@gnome.org, konold@suse.de Reply-To: Christian Schaller Subject: RE: Suggestion for minor interoperability advance X-Mailer: CSCMail v1.6.1 Date: 18 Jun 2000 19:07:22 CEST Message-Id: <20000618170726.VRYH27441.mta01@localhost.localdomain> Sender: gnome-kde-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-kde-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta2 Precedence: bulk List-Id: GNOME/KDE interoperability I have looked through what RealPlayer does to support mime types to get the differenses between GNOME and KDE in this area, since it tries to support both environments for with mime-types. Realplayer seem to install mime localy for each user, something which strikes me as stuid, but that is another debate. If there is something else I can do to help this get resolved please let me know. Well this is how KDE does it: It seems to me like KDE uses the agreed upon standard for desktop/.kdelnk files also for mimetypes. they are being installed under '${prefix}/share/mimelnk' The syntax is as follows, with one file per filetype: # KDE Config File [KDE Desktop Entry] Comment[C]= Name=audio/aiff MimeType=audio/aiff DefaultApp=RealPlayer Icon=/usr/RealPlayer7/rp7doc.xpm Type=MimeType Patterns=*.aiff;*.af; GNOME uses another approach: The files are stored under '${prefix}/share/mime-info There are two files governing mimetypes names realplay.keys and realplay.mime, these two files contain all info needed for mime-types for this program: The syntax for the .keys file is as follows: audio/x-pn-realaudio open=realplay %f & view=realplay %f & icon-filename=/usr/RealPlayer7/rp7doc.png audio/vnd.rn-realaudio open=realplay %f & view=realplay %f & icon-filename=/usr/RealPlayer7/rp7doc.png etc. The .mime has the following syntax audio/x-pn-realaudio ext: rmm ram audio/vnd.rn-realaudio ext: ra application/smil ext: smi smil text/vnd.rn-realtext ext: rt video/vnd.rn-realvideo ext: rv etc. From granroth@sprintmail.com Sun Jun 18 13:23:42 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF3312BADF for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 13:23:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hybrid-024-221-113-161.phoenix.speedchoice.com (hybrid-024-221-113-161.phoenix.speedchoice.com [24.221.113.161]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA03075 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 10:19:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 5397 invoked by uid 500); 18 Jun 2000 17:09:01 -0000 Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 10:09:01 -0700 From: Kurt Granroth To: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Suggestion for minor interoperability advance Message-ID: <20000618100901.C5203@hybrid-024-221-113-161.phoenix.speedchoice.com> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org References: <20000618170726.VRYH27441.mta01@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i In-Reply-To: <20000618170726.VRYH27441.mta01@localhost.localdomain>; from Uraeus@linuxrising.org on Sun, Jun 18, 2000 at 07:07:22PM +0200 Sender: gnome-kde-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-kde-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta2 Precedence: bulk List-Id: GNOME/KDE interoperability Here is a *very* minor nit-pick... but you are using files from KDE 1.x... which is dead to us :-) That said, the files are similar: Christian Schaller wrote: > Well this is how KDE does it: > It seems to me like KDE uses the agreed upon standard for > desktop/.kdelnk files also for mimetypes. The files are now .desktop files. .kdelnk files don't exist in KDE2 > they are being installed under '${prefix}/share/mimelnk' The syntax > is as follows, with one file per filetype: That is true > # KDE Config File > [KDE Desktop Entry] The comment is now gone and the group is [Desktop Entry] (no KDE) > Comment[C]= > Name=audio/aiff > MimeType=audio/aiff > DefaultApp=RealPlayer > Icon=/usr/RealPlayer7/rp7doc.xpm All KDE supplied icons are pngs... and in any event, we don't suggest you hardcode paths at all. You will see something like: Icon=video To mean "find a video.png (or video.xpm) anywhere in our iconloader search paths" -- Kurt Granroth | http://www.granroth.org KDE Developer/Evangelist | SuSE Labs Open Source Developer granroth@kde.org | granroth@suse.com KDE -- Putting a Friendly Face on Unix From hp@redhat.com Sun Jun 18 13:36:29 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org Received: from icon.labs.redhat.com (icon.labs.redhat.com [207.175.42.144]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2C732BADF for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 13:36:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from hp@localhost) by icon.labs.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14739; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 13:44:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.labs.redhat.com: hp set sender to hp@redhat.com using -f To: Martin Konold Cc: Christian Schaller , gnome-kde-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Suggestion for minor interoperability advance References: From: Havoc Pennington Date: 18 Jun 2000 13:44:29 -0400 In-Reply-To: Martin Konold's message of "Sun, 18 Jun 2000 17:47:27 +0200 (MEST)" Message-ID: Lines: 12 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0803 (Gnus v5.8.3) Emacs/20.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-kde-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-kde-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta2 Precedence: bulk List-Id: GNOME/KDE interoperability Martin Konold writes: > > Oh,.. sofar I have been under the impression that we are already > compatible in this area. Where are the problems? How does GNOME handle it > currently and i the future? > Even if it's compatible now, it's worth writing down how it works (so it stays compatible, and so ISVs can figure it out...) Havoc From David.Faure@cramersystems.com Mon Jun 19 04:09:12 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org Received: from s1.cramer.co.uk (portal.cramer.co.uk [193.130.83.209]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7E692BACD for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 04:09:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by S1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:03:56 +0100 Message-ID: From: David Faure To: "'gnome-kde-list@gnome.org'" Subject: RE: Suggestion for minor interoperability advance Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:02:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Sender: gnome-kde-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-kde-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta2 Precedence: bulk List-Id: GNOME/KDE interoperability > Martin Konold writes: > > > > Oh,.. sofar I have been under the impression that we are already > > compatible in this area. Where are the problems? How does GNOME handle it > > currently and i the future? > > Even if it's compatible now, it's worth writing down how it works (so > it stays compatible, and so ISVs can figure it out...) > I think there is small confusion here. desktop files for _applications_ are more or less compatible, and the spec is available at http://us.mandrakesoft.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/kdelibs/kio/DESKTOP_ENTRY_STAN DARD?rev=1.6&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup (or in any KDE development snapshot, under kdelibs/kio/DESKTOP_ENTRY_STANDARD) However, mimetypes are a different matter. Under KDE they are also represented by desktop files - defined in the above spec - but under gnome they used to be defined in a single text file (last time I checked, really long ago). Is that still the case ? If not, how does a desktop file to define a mimetype under gnome look like ? PS: About the order in the start menu.... KDE uses a field in the .directory file, named SortOrder, and apparently Gnome uses a .order file :-P I've seen .directory's in gnome packages. Why doesn't gnome use .directory for that too ? -- David Faure faure@kde.org - KDE developer david@mandrakesoft.com - Mandrake david.faure@cramer.co.uk - Cramer Systems From konold@suse.de Mon Jun 19 03:11:55 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org Received: from Cantor.suse.de (Cantor.suse.de [194.112.123.193]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20C272BAE3 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 03:11:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Hermes.suse.de (Hermes.suse.de [194.112.123.136]) by Cantor.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A4361E089; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:08:01 +0200 (MEST) Received: from susefra1.fra.suse.de (susefra1.fra.suse.de [10.70.1.100]) by Hermes.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67B7F10A029; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:07:56 +0200 (MEST) Received: from mail.str.suse.de (postfix@main.str.suse.de [10.90.1.100]) by susefra1.fra.suse.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11952; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:06:34 +0200 Received: by mail.str.suse.de ('', from userid 25121) id 5F5733313B; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:07:27 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.str.suse.de ('') with ESMTP id 57349234E8; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:07:27 +0200 (MEST) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 09:07:27 +0200 (MEST) From: Martin Konold X-Sender: konold@main.str.suse.de To: Havoc Pennington Cc: Christian Schaller , gnome-kde-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Suggestion for minor interoperability advance In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-kde-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-kde-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta2 Precedence: bulk List-Id: GNOME/KDE interoperability On 18 Jun 2000, Havoc Pennington wrote: > > compatible in this area. Where are the problems? How does GNOME handle it > > currently and i the future? > > > > Even if it's compatible now, it's worth writing down how it works (so > it stays compatible, and so ISVs can figure it out...) I very much agree with this. Who is going to write the specs down? Regards, -- martin From mmckinlay@gnu.org Sun Jun 18 15:56:15 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org Received: from granite.labs.ekto.org (dyn104-ras44.screaming.net [212.188.139.104]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E619C2BAC0 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 15:56:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granite.labs.ekto.org ([169.254.0.1] ident=mmckinlay) by granite.labs.ekto.org with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 133l75-0000De-00; Sun, 18 Jun 2000 20:52:11 +0100 Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2000 20:52:11 +0100 (BST) From: Mo McKinlay X-Sender: mmckinlay@granite.labs.ekto.org To: Christian Schaller Cc: hp@redhat.com, gnome-kde-list@gnome.org, konold@suse.de Subject: RE: Suggestion for minor interoperability advance In-Reply-To: <20000618170726.VRYH27441.mta01@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-kde-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-kde-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta2 Precedence: bulk List-Id: GNOME/KDE interoperability # Realplayer seem to install mime localy for each user, something which # strikes me as stuid, but that is another debate. IM(V)HO, There should be a system (or campus?)-wide MIME database in /etc/somewhere, or /usr/share/somewhere, plus user-level config files in ~/.somewhere, allowing both administrative control and user tweaks. Doing one or the other but not both strikes me as being a bit silly. The key here, of course, is getting everything talking to the same format of config files.. libmime anybody? :) -- Mo McKinlay Chief Software Architect inter/open Labs mmckinlay (at) gnu.org http://www.gnu.org From dank@alumni.caltech.edu Mon Jun 19 20:51:07 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (mta6.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.240]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56FDA2BA9C for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 20:51:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alumni.caltech.edu ([63.201.176.178]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0FWF0076TG5RA2@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for gnome-kde-list@gnome.org; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:32:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:38:49 -0700 From: Dan Kegel Subject: KParts/Bonobo Merger? To: "gnome-kde-list@gnome.org" Message-id: <394EBD19.60F02D45@alumni.caltech.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.12-20 i686) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en Sender: gnome-kde-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-kde-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta2 Precedence: bulk List-Id: GNOME/KDE interoperability Is this serious? http://rivyn.derkarl.org/news/html/newsflash-17june2000.html -- Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem. From bob@thestuff.net Mon Jun 19 21:20:11 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org Received: from csoft.net (csoft.net [216.226.17.73]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42AD82C9A1 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 21:20:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (bob@localhost) by csoft.net (8.10.2/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e5K1Grj24837; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 20:16:53 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 20:16:53 -0500 (CDT) From: X-Sender: bob@cs.csoft.net To: Dan Kegel Cc: "gnome-kde-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: KParts/Bonobo Merger? In-Reply-To: <394EBD19.60F02D45@alumni.caltech.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-kde-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-kde-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta2 Precedence: bulk List-Id: GNOME/KDE interoperability It is serious. I've been following it. On Mon, 19 Jun 2000, Dan Kegel wrote: > Is this serious? > > http://rivyn.derkarl.org/news/html/newsflash-17june2000.html > > > -- > Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem. > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-kde-list mailing list > gnome-kde-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-kde-list > From granroth@sprintmail.com Mon Jun 19 21:30:20 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C78C22BA9C for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 21:30:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hybrid-024-221-113-161.phoenix.speedchoice.com (hybrid-024-221-113-161.phoenix.speedchoice.com [24.221.113.161]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3-EL_1_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA01020 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:26:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 31525 invoked by uid 500); 20 Jun 2000 01:15:46 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:15:46 -0700 From: Kurt Granroth To: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: KParts/Bonobo Merger? Message-ID: <20000619181546.B31448@hybrid-024-221-113-161.phoenix.speedchoice.com> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0i Sender: gnome-kde-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-kde-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta2 Precedence: bulk List-Id: GNOME/KDE interoperability Dan Kegel wrote: > Is this serious? > > http://rivyn.derkarl.org/news/html/newsflash-17june2000.html Well, the person writing it is obviously serious. However, it's all just so much hot air until the KParts authors indicate that it's feasible and are willing to do much of the work. Based on the pretty major differences between the design philosophies of Bonobo and KParts, I would say that I *personally* doubt it'll ever happen. But I'm not a primary KParts author so my opinion is as much hot air as any other opinion. -- Kurt Granroth | http://www.granroth.org KDE Developer/Evangelist | SuSE Labs Open Source Developer granroth@kde.org | granroth@suse.com KDE -- Putting a Friendly Face on Unix From bob@thestuff.net Mon Jun 19 21:32:46 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org Received: from csoft.net (csoft.net [216.226.17.73]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C03B2BA9C for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 21:32:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (bob@localhost) by csoft.net (8.10.2/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e5K1Tfk26316; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 20:29:41 -0500 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 20:29:41 -0500 (CDT) From: X-Sender: bob@cs.csoft.net To: mosfet Cc: Dan Kegel , "gnome-kde-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: KParts/Bonobo Merger? In-Reply-To: <394EC7EE.71415F60@mandrakesoft.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-kde-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-kde-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta2 Precedence: bulk List-Id: GNOME/KDE interoperability So far, from what I understand, its only been discussed between Miguel and Rikkus. It hasnt been disscused much with the other core developers on either side. Yet. Talk it over and stuff. :) On Mon, 19 Jun 2000, mosfet wrote: > AFAIK no core developers or maintainers have been even asked, so no it's > not. > > bob@thestuff.net wrote: > > > > It is serious. I've been following it. > > > > On Mon, 19 Jun 2000, Dan Kegel wrote: > > > > > Is this serious? > > > > > > http://rivyn.derkarl.org/news/html/newsflash-17june2000.html > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > gnome-kde-list mailing list > > > gnome-kde-list@gnome.org > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-kde-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > gnome-kde-list mailing list > > gnome-kde-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-kde-list > > -- > Daniel M. Duley - Unix developer & sys admin. > http://www.mosfet.org - The place for KDE development news. > mosfet@mandrakesoft.com > mosfet@kde.org > From tack@orion.dok.org Mon Jun 19 21:36:33 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org Received: from orion.dok.org (orion.dok.org [199.212.55.220]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B1B4A2BA9C for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 21:36:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 23171 invoked by uid 500); 20 Jun 2000 01:42:18 -0000 Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 21:42:18 -0400 From: Jason Tackaberry To: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: KParts/Bonobo Merger? Message-ID: <20000619214217.C22932@linux.com> References: <20000619181546.B31448@hybrid-024-221-113-161.phoenix.speedchoice.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2i In-Reply-To: <20000619181546.B31448@hybrid-024-221-113-161.phoenix.speedchoice.com>; from granroth@kde.org on Mon, Jun 19, 2000 at 06:15:46PM -0700 Sender: gnome-kde-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-kde-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta2 Precedence: bulk List-Id: GNOME/KDE interoperability > Well, the person writing it is obviously serious. However, it's > all just so much hot air until the KParts authors indicate that it's > feasible and are willing to do much of the work. I too am skeptical. Surely this would require a lot of extra coordination, hacking, headaches, and delayed schedules. But imagine the implications of its success. I'm all for it! Jason. From pete@arraycomm.com Mon Jun 19 21:05:39 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org Received: from bastion.arraycomm.com (ns.arraycomm.com [199.74.167.5]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA3882BC4C for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 21:05:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by bastion.arraycomm.com (8.9.3/1.8) id RAA19236; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 17:59:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from array.arraycomm.com(172.16.0.13) by bastion.arraycomm.com via smap (V2.0) id xma019156; Mon, 19 Jun 00 17:59:02 -0700 Received: from isaiah.arraycomm.com (sjras250-35.arraycomm.com [192.168.250.35]) by array.arraycomm.com (8.9.3/1.13) with ESMTP id SAA17972; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 18:00:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from arraycomm.comm (IDENT:pete@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by isaiah.arraycomm.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA01377; Tue, 20 Jun 2000 08:10:05 +0800 Message-Id: <200006200010.IAA01377@isaiah.arraycomm.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: Mo McKinlay Cc: Christian Schaller , hp@redhat.com, gnome-kde-list@gnome.org, konold@suse.de Subject: Re: Suggestion for minor interoperability advance Reply-To: Pete Gelbman Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2000 08:10:05 +0800 From: Pete Gelbman Sender: gnome-kde-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-kde-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta2 Precedence: bulk List-Id: GNOME/KDE interoperability >>>>> On Sun, 18 Jun 2000, "Mo" == Mo McKinlay wrote: Mo> There should be a system (or campus?)-wide MIME database in Mo> /etc/somewhere, or /usr/share/somewhere, plus user-level config files in Mo> ~/.somewhere, allowing both administrative control and user tweaks. Doing Mo> one or the other but not both strikes me as being a bit silly. The key Mo> here, of course, is getting everything talking to the same format of Mo> config files.. I don't know much about these things but why re-invent the wheel? Aren't /etc/mime.types and $HOME/.mime.types that are used by Apache, Netscape, Exmh and many others a pretty good thing to use? -- ~pete From mosfet@mandrakesoft.com Mon Jun 19 21:20:07 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org Received: from mercury.jorsm.com (mercury.jorsm.com [207.112.128.9]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DAB62BA9C for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 21:20:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mandrakesoft.com (dial5-056.chi.jorsm.net [209.224.118.56]) by mercury.jorsm.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BCC2E4A01; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 20:16:02 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <394EC61A.FDD941BA@mandrakesoft.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 20:17:14 -0500 From: mosfet Organization: Linux Mandrake X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14-15mdk i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Kegel Cc: "gnome-kde-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: KParts/Bonobo Merger? References: <394EBD19.60F02D45@alumni.caltech.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-kde-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-kde-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta2 Precedence: bulk List-Id: GNOME/KDE interoperability Since I haven't heard anything about it on any of the lists I doubt it. Also, none of the KParts coders are even mentioned (Rikkus is a good developer but he's not one of the KParts people). Dan Kegel wrote: > > Is this serious? > > http://rivyn.derkarl.org/news/html/newsflash-17june2000.html > > -- > Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem. > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-kde-list mailing list > gnome-kde-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-kde-list -- Daniel M. Duley - Unix developer & sys admin. http://www.mosfet.org - The place for KDE development news. mosfet@mandrakesoft.com mosfet@kde.org From mosfet@mandrakesoft.com Mon Jun 19 21:39:39 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org Received: from mercury.jorsm.com (mercury.jorsm.com [207.112.128.9]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B1072BA9C for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 21:39:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mandrakesoft.com (dial5-056.chi.jorsm.net [209.224.118.56]) by mercury.jorsm.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 930AFE4A58; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 20:35:42 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <394ECAB6.97191BA2@mandrakesoft.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 20:36:54 -0500 From: mosfet Organization: Linux Mandrake X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14-15mdk i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jason Tackaberry Cc: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: KParts/Bonobo Merger? References: <20000619181546.B31448@hybrid-024-221-113-161.phoenix.speedchoice.com> <20000619214217.C22932@linux.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-kde-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-kde-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta2 Precedence: bulk List-Id: GNOME/KDE interoperability Talk is fine of course. I'm rather pissed off tho that this was made to look like an official KDE news release and that the developers actually working on the code supported it. It's misleading at best - it hasn't even been discussed with anyone involved in the KDE parts model. Jason Tackaberry wrote: > > > Well, the person writing it is obviously serious. However, it's > > all just so much hot air until the KParts authors indicate that it's > > feasible and are willing to do much of the work. > > I too am skeptical. Surely this would require a lot of extra coordination, > hacking, headaches, and delayed schedules. But imagine the implications > of its success. I'm all for it! > > Jason. > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-kde-list mailing list > gnome-kde-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-kde-list -- Daniel M. Duley - Unix developer & sys admin. http://www.mosfet.org - The place for KDE development news. mosfet@mandrakesoft.com mosfet@kde.org From mosfet@mandrakesoft.com Mon Jun 19 21:27:58 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org Received: from mercury.jorsm.com (mercury.jorsm.com [207.112.128.9]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F0FA2C9B3 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 21:27:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mandrakesoft.com (dial5-056.chi.jorsm.net [209.224.118.56]) by mercury.jorsm.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D202E4A58; Mon, 19 Jun 2000 20:23:50 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <394EC7EE.71415F60@mandrakesoft.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2000 20:25:02 -0500 From: mosfet Organization: Linux Mandrake X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14-15mdk i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bob@thestuff.net Cc: Dan Kegel , "gnome-kde-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: KParts/Bonobo Merger? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-kde-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-kde-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta2 Precedence: bulk List-Id: GNOME/KDE interoperability AFAIK no core developers or maintainers have been even asked, so no it's not. bob@thestuff.net wrote: > > It is serious. I've been following it. > > On Mon, 19 Jun 2000, Dan Kegel wrote: > > > Is this serious? > > > > http://rivyn.derkarl.org/news/html/newsflash-17june2000.html > > > > > > -- > > Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > gnome-kde-list mailing list > > gnome-kde-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-kde-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-kde-list mailing list > gnome-kde-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-kde-list -- Daniel M. Duley - Unix developer & sys admin. http://www.mosfet.org - The place for KDE development news. mosfet@mandrakesoft.com mosfet@kde.org From julian@linuxpower.org Tue Jun 27 14:59:00 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.delanet.com (mail-20.delanet.com [216.226.64.26]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0DF7F2BAD5 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 14:59:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 8252 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2000 18:54:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO linuxpower.org) (216.226.68.245) by mail.delanet.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2000 18:54:54 -0000 Message-ID: <3958F9BB.AC8A0386@linuxpower.org> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 15:00:11 -0400 From: Julian Missig X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.0-test1 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org Subject: KWM_DOCKWINDOW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-kde-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-kde-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta2 Precedence: bulk List-Id: GNOME/KDE interoperability Does KDE2 support the status docklets that GNOME now supports? My friend has the kleopatra release and says my docklet just appears as a normal floating window... What's the proper way to tell GNOME and KDE that I have a status docklet, if it's not setting the atom to KWM_DOCKWINDOW? Julian -- email: julian@linuxpower.org jabber:julian@jabber.org From miguel@erandi.helixcode.com Tue Jun 27 23:22:29 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org Received: from erandi.helixcode.com (erandi.helixcode.com [140.239.238.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DDD92BAB4 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 23:22:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from miguel@localhost) by erandi.helixcode.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA26742; Tue, 27 Jun 2000 19:18:50 -0400 To: mosfet Cc: Jason Tackaberry , gnome-kde-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: KParts/Bonobo Merger? References: <20000619181546.B31448@hybrid-024-221-113-161.phoenix.speedchoice.com> <20000619214217.C22932@linux.com> <394ECAB6.97191BA2@mandrakesoft.com> From: Miguel de Icaza Date: 27 Jun 2000 19:18:50 -0400 In-Reply-To: mosfet's message of "Mon, 19 Jun 2000 20:36:54 -0500" Message-ID: Lines: 9 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.4 Sender: gnome-kde-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-kde-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta2 Precedence: bulk List-Id: GNOME/KDE interoperability > Talk is fine of course. I'm rather pissed off tho that this was made to > look like an official KDE news release and that the developers actually > working on the code supported it. It's misleading at best - it hasn't > even been discussed with anyone involved in the KDE parts model. When are you not pissed at anything involving GNOME? Miguel. From konold@suse.de Wed Jun 28 04:55:20 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org Received: from Cantor.suse.de (Cantor.suse.de [194.112.123.193]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DB6A2BAD5 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:55:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Hermes.suse.de (Hermes.suse.de [194.112.123.136]) by Cantor.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BA2D1E1AD; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:51:14 +0200 (MEST) Received: from susefra1.fra.suse.de (susefra1.fra.suse.de [10.70.1.100]) by Hermes.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D1C310A21B; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:51:13 +0200 (MEST) Received: from mail.str.suse.de (postfix@main.str.suse.de [10.90.1.100]) by susefra1.fra.suse.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10208; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:49:35 +0200 Received: by mail.str.suse.de ('', from userid 25121) id E07F233140; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:50:37 +0200 (MEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.str.suse.de ('') with ESMTP id D70D82351E; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:50:37 +0200 (MEST) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:50:37 +0200 (MEST) From: Martin Konold X-Sender: konold@main.str.suse.de To: Miguel de Icaza Cc: mosfet , Jason Tackaberry , gnome-kde-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: KParts/Bonobo Merger? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-kde-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-kde-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta2 Precedence: bulk List-Id: GNOME/KDE interoperability On 27 Jun 2000, Miguel de Icaza wrote: Hi Miguel, > > Talk is fine of course. I'm rather pissed off tho that this was made to > > look like an official KDE news release and that the developers actually > > working on the code supported it. It's misleading at best - it hasn't > > even been discussed with anyone involved in the KDE parts model. > > When are you not pissed at anything involving GNOME? Your are wrongly accusing Mosfet here. The problem is more of a technical nature. Firstly the KDE team is in a late Beta stage (feature freeze) for the release of the much anticipated KDE-2.0 and KOffice 1.0 later this year. KDE-2.0 is technically significantly based on the imho mature and succesfull KParts component technology. Though I see no reason not to have a look at a proposal or even an implementation which shows how the goal can be achived from a technical point of view after the release of KDE-2.0 from you. Regards, -- martin From david@mandrakesoft.mandrakesoft.com Wed Jun 28 05:05:42 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org Received: from mandrakesoft.mandrakesoft.com (mandrakesoft.mandrakesoft.com [216.71.84.35]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A72A2BAD5 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 05:05:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from david@localhost) by mandrakesoft.mandrakesoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA18348 for gnome-kde-list@gnome.org; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:01:35 -0500 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:01:35 -0500 From: David Faure To: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: KParts/Bonobo Merger? Message-ID: <20000628040135.G668@mandrakesoft.mandrakesoft.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: ; from Martin Konold on Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 11:50:37AM +0200 X-OS: Mandrake 7.0 Sender: gnome-kde-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-kde-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta2 Precedence: bulk List-Id: GNOME/KDE interoperability On Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 11:50:37AM +0200, Martin Konold wrote: > On 27 Jun 2000, Miguel de Icaza wrote: > > Hi Miguel, > > > > Talk is fine of course. I'm rather pissed off tho that this was made to > > > look like an official KDE news release and that the developers actually > > > working on the code supported it. It's misleading at best - it hasn't > > > even been discussed with anyone involved in the KDE parts model. > > > > When are you not pissed at anything involving GNOME? > > Your are wrongly accusing Mosfet here. > > The problem is more of a technical nature. > > Firstly the KDE team is in a late Beta stage (feature freeze) for the > release of the much anticipated KDE-2.0 and KOffice 1.0 later this year. > KDE-2.0 is technically significantly based on the imho mature and > succesfull KParts component technology. > > Though I see no reason not to have a look at a proposal or even an > implementation which shows how the goal can be achived from a technical > point of view after the release of KDE-2.0 from you. Well I think the real problem is that there was no proposal whatsoever, just somebody who made news out of nothing. So let's just all forget about this issue until somebody is really willing to do some work in this area. David, KParts developer. -- David FAURE david@mandrakesoft.com, faure@kde.org http://home.clara.net/faure/, http://www.konqueror.org/ KDE, Making The Future of Computing Available Today From mosfet@mandrakesoft.com Wed Jun 28 11:41:15 2000 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org Received: from mercury.jorsm.com (mercury.jorsm.com [207.112.128.9]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8CD92BA8D for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 11:41:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mandrakesoft.com (dial5-210.chi.jorsm.net [209.224.118.210]) by mercury.jorsm.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAC44E4A29; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:37:06 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <395A1BD9.D91B0FA4@mandrakesoft.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:38:01 -0500 From: mosfet Organization: Linux Mandrake X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14-15mdk i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Miguel de Icaza Cc: Jason Tackaberry , gnome-kde-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: KParts/Bonobo Merger? References: <20000619181546.B31448@hybrid-024-221-113-161.phoenix.speedchoice.com> <20000619214217.C22932@linux.com> <394ECAB6.97191BA2@mandrakesoft.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-kde-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-kde-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-kde-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta2 Precedence: bulk List-Id: GNOME/KDE interoperability Miguel de Icaza wrote: > > > Talk is fine of course. I'm rather pissed off tho that this was made to > > look like an official KDE news release and that the developers actually > > working on the code supported it. It's misleading at best - it hasn't > > even been discussed with anyone involved in the KDE parts model. > > When are you not pissed at anything involving GNOME? When people such as yourself aren't involved? > > Miguel. -- Daniel M. Duley - Unix developer & sys admin. http://www.mosfet.org - The place for KDE development news. mosfet@mandrakesoft.com mosfet@kde.org