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Hi Joanmarie, Alejandro and A11y team,

This is a kindly reminder for Q3 report, you can update "Accessibility"
section from here:
https://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/QuarterlyReports/2011/Q3

The due date is Nov 11, 2011.

Thanks,
Emily

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Hi Joanmarie, Alejandro and A11y team, <br><br>This is a kindly reminder for Q3 report, you can update &quot;Accessibility&quot; section from here: <br>
    <a href="https://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/QuarterlyReports/2011/Q3">https://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/QuarterlyReports/2011/Q3</a><br>
    <br>
    The due date is  Nov 11, 2011. <br><br>Thanks, <br>Emily <br> 

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Hey All.

Next team meeting: 03 November, 14:30 UTC, in #a11y-meeting.

As a reminder, this is the time of year when we "fall back" while UTC
just sits there, happily unaware of daylight saving time. Thus for
Europe (and possibly others), the meeting time is now one hour earlier
than before. The rest of us get to play this game next week.

Agenda-in-progress: http://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/Meetings
Subscribe-able Team Calendar: http://bit.ly/GNOME-A11y-Calendar

Be there or be square! ;-)
--joanie

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The schedule has changed some so today we get a different session than
we were expecting.

11:00 EDT (15:00 UTC)
Community Accessibility Testing
Bonaire 1
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-accessibility-team-testing
http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/meeting/19797/desktop-p-accessibility-team-testing/


The other two accessibility specific sessions will be tomorrow.

I hope to see some of you there either in person or remotely!

~Penelope
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Please note the added session in bold today due to a scheduling conflict.

The schedule has changed some so today we get a different session than
we were expecting.

11:00 EDT (15:00 UTC)
Community Accessibility Testing
Bonaire 1
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-accessibility-team-testing
http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/meeting/19797/desktop-p-accessibility-team-testing/

*16:15 EDT (20:15 UTC)
Accessibility Community Team Goals
Antigua 2
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-p-accessibility-team-community-goals
http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/meeting/19734/community-p-accessibility-team-community-goals/
*A note on this one is that I'm bringing up my new advocacy project I'd
like to start that is more than just Ubuntu, which I'm currently calling
Accessibility From the Start*


The other two accessibility specific sessions will be tomorrow. (Yes, there
are still 2 sessions tomorrow, one has been added on Kubuntu A11y.)

I hope to see some of you there either in person or remotely! If you have
trouble accessing the etherpads, please sign into launchpad and request to
join the Ubuntu Etherpad team[0]

Thanks!
Penelope

[0] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-etherpad

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Please note the added session in bold today due to a scheduling conflict.<b=
r><br>The schedule has changed some so today we get a different session tha=
n<br>we were expecting.<br><br>11:00 EDT (15:00 UTC)<br>Community Accessibi=
lity Testing<br>
Bonaire 1<br><a href=3D"https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/deskt=
op-p-accessibility-team-testing">https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+s=
pec/desktop-p-accessibility-team-testing</a><br><a href=3D"http://summit.ub=
untu.com/uds-p/meeting/19797/desktop-p-accessibility-team-testing/">http://=
summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/meeting/19797/desktop-p-accessibility-team-testing/=
</a><br>
<br><b>16:15 EDT (20:15 UTC)<br>Accessibility Community Team Goals<br>Antig=
ua 2<br><a href=3D"https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-=
p-accessibility-team-community-goals">https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubun=
tu/+spec/community-p-accessibility-team-community-goals</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/meeting/19734/community-p-accessi=
bility-team-community-goals/">http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/meeting/19734/=
community-p-accessibility-team-community-goals/</a><br>*A note on this one =
is that I&#39;m bringing up my new advocacy project I&#39;d like to start t=
hat is more than just Ubuntu, which I&#39;m currently calling Accessibility=
 From the Start</b><br>
<br><br>The other two accessibility specific sessions will be tomorrow. (Ye=
s, there are still 2 sessions tomorrow, one has been added on Kubuntu A11y.=
)<br><br>I hope to see some of you there either in person or remotely! If y=
ou have trouble accessing the etherpads, please sign into launchpad and req=
uest to join the Ubuntu Etherpad team[0]<br>
<br>Thanks!<br>Penelope<br><br>[0] <a href=3D"https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu=
-etherpad">https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-etherpad</a><br>

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I have been trying to make the f10 key bring up the menus in Eclipse.  There
are people out on the web that say you use ccsm
(compizconfig-settings-manager) and some say use gconf-editor.  I have been
able to unset the f10 value in the gconf-editor but the f10 key still brings
up some desktop window rather than the application menu.  I tried using the
ccsm but it doesn't seem accessible or I can't find the setting the people
on the web tell me to set.  So what I am wondering is if anyone out here
knows how to get the f10 key to behave wand bring up the application menu
when in Eclipse in 11.10 Unity with orca?

Ken


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On Sat, Nov 05, 2011 at 03:23:45PM EDT, Ken Perry wrote:

> I have been trying to make the f10 key bring up the menus in Eclipse.

Unfortunately, eclipse is one of those applications that doesn't seem to work properly with the global menu bar. There is a bug about this, but I can't dig up the bug number at the moment. There is also a work-around in that bug. When I look up the bug number, I will reply back with the work-around, which is likely to disable the global menu for eclipse.

Luke
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*Hi,
I have tested this example, with Orca Ubuntu 10.04 but didnt said
decription...
Have you got any documentation or idea about this?
*
#!/usr/bin/env python

import gtk
import atk

win = gtk.Window()
win.connect('destroy', lambda win: gtk.main_quit())

button = gtk.Button('Hola')
button.set_flags(gtk.CAN_FOCUS)
button.connect('pressed', lambda button: gtk.main_quit())
atk_button = button.get_accessible()
atk_button.set_description('la descripcion')
atk_button.set_name('el nombre')
atk_button.set_role(atk.ROLE_PUSH_BUTTON)

box = gtk.HBox()
box.pack_start(button)

win.add(box)
win.show_all()

gtk.main()

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, lambda win: gtk.main_quit())<br>=A0 <br>button =3D gtk.Button(&#39;Hola&#=
39;)<br>button.set_flags(gtk.CAN_FOCUS)<br>button.connect(&#39;pressed&#39;=
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Orca's "where am I?" command is designed to give detailed information
about an object, including the object's description. Were Orca to
always provide the description without it being asked for, many users
would complain Orca was being "too chatty."

Take care.
--joanie

On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 05:59, Esteban Arias <earias@plan.ceibal.edu.uy> wrote:
> Hi,
> I have tested this example, with Orca Ubuntu 10.04 but didnt said
> decription...
> Have you got any documentation or idea about this?
>
> #!/usr/bin/env python
>
> import gtk
> import atk
>
> win = gtk.Window()
> win.connect('destroy', lambda win: gtk.main_quit())
>
> button = gtk.Button('Hola')
> button.set_flags(gtk.CAN_FOCUS)
> button.connect('pressed', lambda button: gtk.main_quit())
> atk_button = button.get_accessible()
> atk_button.set_description('la descripcion')
> atk_button.set_name('el nombre')
> atk_button.set_role(atk.ROLE_PUSH_BUTTON)
>
> box = gtk.HBox()
> box.pack_start(button)
>
> win.add(box)
> win.show_all()
>
> gtk.main()
>
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Hi,
I have got a python application that needs being accessible, with a vkbd.

I would need a small tuto program that implements the framework, eg to
notice focus events

Any help apprecied.
Regards.

Steph
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This may be of interest to the GNOME a11y community at large. The #ubuntu-accessibility channel is on freenode.

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Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 17:57:42 +0000
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Subject: Persona writing sprint this weekend 12th and 13th November

Hi all,

one of the actions from UDS was to crack on and get more of the
persona documents out, these help us to communicate the need for
accessibility considerations to be included in the design process. We
have already published Faisal (fine motor control, pain and color
blindness)
http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/2011/01/27/meet-faisal/ and
Daniela (fully blind)
http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/2011/04/06/meet-daniela/ and
we have outline plans for Simon (partially sighted), John (deaf) and
Henrietta (cognitive and memory issues)

I would like to propose we work together on the remaining personas we
want to cover, starting with Simon as the next one to publish. Simon
is visually impaired, but not completely blind, so will use a large
monitor with screen magnifiers and high contrast settings rather than
full time screen reader use. His vision might be getting worse over
time, so he might be learning to use Orca, and might like some more
audio cues from the desktop.

We are using the following page to collaboratively draft the text
http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/simon and will be chatting in the
#ubuntu-accessibility IRC channel. The personas are written to a rough
framework of topics which match the personas used internally at
Canonical by the design team, so we want to fit in with that, but
present some more interesting design challenges.

It would be great to get as many people involved as possible in the
drafting and editing process, particularly those with knowledge of
visual impairments. The personas should be accurate and informative,
and at least as important, they should be interesting and nice people.
I am not setting any particular time for working on this, but I
imagine there will be people online and active throughout the day for
Europe and USA

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Hi all,

I also miss the negative colours option in Gnome 3, since my eyes get
rapidly tired staring at bright colours prevailing on
desktop/webpages/documents.
Already when Compiz was not able to invert newly opened window I was
alarmed and looked for some permanent solution. On one forum I found a
faint notion of a simple utility called xcalib. Just type

xcalib -i -a

to terminal or make shortcut on your desktop (or add to startup
applications). It does not satisfy the need of inverting specific
window, nor leaving out desktop background image, but it can save our
eyes until the accessibility option is implemented in Gnome 3.

Tomas
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=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Mensaje original -----=0A> De: Tomas Bacigal <tom67t@azet=
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st@gnome.org>=0A> CC: =0A> Enviado: lunes 14 de noviembre de 2011 10:55=0A>=
 Asunto: Re: Negativ Layout in Gnome 3=0A> =0A> Hi all,=0A> =0A> I also mis=
s the negative colours option in Gnome 3, since my eyes get=0A> rapidly tir=
ed staring at bright colours prevailing on=0A> desktop/webpages/documents.=
=0A> Already when Compiz was not able to invert newly opened window I was=
=0A> alarmed and looked for some permanent solution. On one forum I found a=
=0A> faint notion of a simple utility called xcalib. Just type=0A> =0A> xca=
lib -i -a=0A> =0A> to terminal or make shortcut on your desktop (or add to =
startup=0A> applications). It does not satisfy the need of inverting specif=
ic=0A> window, nor leaving out desktop background image, but it can save ou=
r=0A> eyes until the accessibility option is implemented in Gnome 3.=0A> =
=0A> Tomas=0A=0A=0A=0AGNOME shell, the new interface used by GNOME 3 doesn'=
t use compiz at all,=0Ait uses mutter. So I guess=A0if you are using the GN=
OME 3 fallback mode.=0A=0AI recommend you to use a =A0High Contrast theme (=
check the a11y icon in=A0=0Agnome shell or in System Settings >Universal Ac=
cess) and a=A0High Contrast=A0=A0=0AInverse=A0GTK+ Theme (use the=A0applica=
tion gnome-tweak-tool or Advanced=A0=0ASettings)=0A=0AEvince, the document =
reader application, also has an inverted color built-in option=A0=0Athat I =
think=A0can be useful for you. AFAIK, you can also tweak your favorite brow=
ser=A0=0Afor rendering pages=A0with inverted colors (using a plugin, custom=
ized css, etc)=0A=0A=0ACheers,=0A=0A=A0 =A0-- Juanjo Marin=A0=0A=0A=0A=0APS=
: For GNOME 3.4 there are plans for better=A0High Contrast themes and the=
=A0=0AMagnification in GNOME Shell will include=A0contrast Effects
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===============
* What is Orca?
===============

Orca is a free, open source, flexible, and extensible screen reader
that provides access to the graphical desktop via user-customizable
combinations of speech and refreshable braille.

You can read more about Orca at http://live.gnome.org/Orca.

===================================
* What's Changed in 3.2.2?
===================================

General

 * Fix for bug #659023 - Orca does not speak the desktop icon names in
   fallback mode if tutorial messages are enabled

 * Fix for bug #661893 - Viewing package list of a www.launchpad.net PPA
   causes Orca to stop working on Firefox 7.0.1

 * Fix for bug #660099 - Cannot re-bind Orca keybindings via Preferences
   dialog

New and updated translations (THANKS EVERYONE!!!):

   te            Telugu                 A Mohan Vamsee

======================
* Where can I get it ?
======================

Orca 3.2.2:

* http://download.gnome.org/sources/orca/3.2/orca-3.2.2.tar.xz
* http://download.gnome.org/sources/orca/3.2/orca-3.2.2.tar.bz2

Enjoy!
-- The Orca Team
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Thank you Juanjo,

I used Compiz with Gnome 2 (Ubuntu 10.4 -11.04) and it pleased me with
simplicity of inverting colors - just one keystroke - which pushed
Ubuntu and (Linux at all) towards the choice of my primary OS. I was
tired (or lazy) to set up desktop themes and fiddle with settings of
browser and office suite every time I reinstall system. When I needed to
see a picture in its true colors or watch a movie I just turned the
single window  back to positive. However then in 11.04 there came a
regression (or bug you might call it) when no more the newly opened
windows remembered negative state as default.
HighContrastInverse theme is a nice feature and I used to use it also in
WindowsXP, where no better solution could be found besides a graphics
tweaking application named Powerstrip, with annoying pop-up window on
startup. Yet, the theme looks too much austere to please one's eyes.
There are also a handy plug-ins to Firefox, at least BYM to mention,
that do its job well  by modifying the design (e.g. CSS style) of
webpages.
I counsel to use xcalib because of it's simplicity, though it's not
fully satisfying (inverts everything including pictures).
However I'm looking forward to seeing Gnome 3.4 meets my requirements.

Regards
Tomas

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>
> ----- Mensaje original -----
> > De: Tomas Bacigal <tom67t@azet.sk>
> > Para: "gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org"
<gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org>
> > CC:
> > Enviado: lunes 14 de noviembre de 2011 10:55
> > Asunto: Re: Negativ Layout in Gnome 3
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I also miss the negative colours option in Gnome 3, since my eyes
get
> > rapidly tired staring at bright colours prevailing on
> > desktop/webpages/documents.
> > Already when Compiz was not able to invert newly opened window I was
> > alarmed and looked for some permanent solution. On one forum I found
a
> > faint notion of a simple utility called xcalib. Just type
> >
> > xcalib -i -a
> >
> > to terminal or make shortcut on your desktop (or add to startup
> > applications). It does not satisfy the need of inverting specific
> > window, nor leaving out desktop background image, but it can save
our
> > eyes until the accessibility option is implemented in Gnome 3.
> >
> > Tomas
>
>
>
> GNOME shell, the new interface used by GNOME 3 doesn't use compiz at
all,
> it uses mutter. So I guess if you are using the GNOME 3 fallback mode.
>
> I recommend you to use a  High Contrast theme (check the a11y icon in
> gnome shell or in System Settings >Universal Access) and a High
Contrast
> Inverse GTK+ Theme (use the application gnome-tweak-tool or Advanced
> Settings)
>
> Evince, the document reader application, also has an inverted color
built-in option
> that I think can be useful for you. AFAIK, you can also tweak your
favorite browser
> for rendering pages with inverted colors (using a plugin, customized
css, etc)
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>    -- Juanjo Marin
>
>
>
> PS: For GNOME 3.4 there are plans for better High Contrast themes and
the
> Magnification in GNOME Shell will include contrast Effects
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Hey all.

For those of you not at the meeting last week, the decision was made to 
try 15:00 UTC as the new meeting time.

Agenda-in-progress: http://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/Meetings
Subscribe-able Team Calendar: http://bit.ly/GNOME-A11y-Calendar

Be there or be square! ;-)
--joanie
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 ===============
 * What is Orca?
 ===============

 Orca is a free, open source, flexible, and extensible screen reader
 that provides access to the graphical desktop via user-customizable
 combinations of speech and refreshable braille.

 You can read more about Orca at http://live.gnome.org/Orca.

 ===================================
 * What's Changed in 3.3.2?
 ===================================
 General

  * Fix for bug #664386 - Orca does not always present image links in
    WebKitGtk content

  * Fix for bug #664384 - Need to move getLinkBasename() functionality
    out of Gecko script so all scripts can use it

  * Fix for bug #659023 - Orca does not speak the desktop icon names in
    fallback mode if tutorial messages are enabled

  * Fix for bug #661893 - Viewing package list of a www.launchpad.net 
 PPA
    causes Orca to stop working on Firefox 7.0.1

  * Fix for bug #660099 - Cannot re-bind Orca keybindings via 
 Preferences
    dialog

 New and updated translations (THANKS EVERYONE!!!):

    es            Spanish                Daniel Mustieles
    id            Indonesian             Andika Triwidada
    nb            Norwegian bokmĂĄl       Kjartan Maraas
    te            Telugu                 A Mohan Vamsee
    tr            Turkish                Muhammet Kara

 ======================
 * Where can I get it ?
 ======================

 Orca 3.3.2:

 * http://download.gnome.org/sources/orca/3.3/orca-3.3.2.tar.xz
 * http://download.gnome.org/sources/orca/3.3/orca-3.3.2.tar.bz2

 Enjoy!
 -- The Orca Team
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 Hey all.

 Tomorrow in the U.S. is Thanksgiving Day. In addition, Piñeiro has a 
 schedule conflict with our regular team meeting. And, to my knowledge, 
 we do not have any must-discuss-now issues. So I'm thinking that it 
 might make sense to skip the team meeting tomorrow and resume the 
 following week. If anyone has objections, pressing topics, etc., please 
 let us know and we'll do the meeting. Otherwise, see y'all 1 December.

 Thanks and take care.
 --joanie

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=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Mensaje original -----=0A> De: Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs@ig=
alia.com>=0A> Para: gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org=0A> CC: =0A> Enviado=
: mi=E9rcoles 23 de noviembre de 2011 11:25=0A> Asunto: Thinking about canc=
elling tomorrow's team meeting=0A> =0A=0A> Tomorrow in the U.S. is Thanksgi=
ving Day. In addition, Pi=F1eiro has a schedule =0A> conflict with our regu=
lar team meeting. And, to my knowledge, we do not have any =0A> must-discus=
s-now issues. So I'm thinking that it might make sense to skip =0A> the tea=
m meeting tomorrow and resume the following week. If anyone has =0A> object=
ions, pressing topics, etc., please let us know and we'll do the =0A> meeti=
ng. Otherwise, see y'all 1 December.=0A>=A0=0A=0AHey Joanie !=0A=0A=0AIt so=
unds sensible to me. =A0+1=0A=0A-- Juanjo Marin> 
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Hello, everyone.;

I have been a blind Linux user since Ubuntu 6.06.

I am looking forward to see what lies ahead for the different desktop 
environments. I have grown accustomed to GNOME 2.x, but I am really 
looking forward to getting to try out GNOME 3/Shell. I have a very quick 
question:

I would usually use the Enhanced Zoom Desktop (eZoom) plugin in Compiz 
for screen magnification in GNOME 2, but I am unsure as to whether or 
not this is an option in GNOME 3/shell. At this point, is there an 
option for fullscreen magnification in GNOME 3? If so, what methods 
would I use to activate it?

I am currently using Linux Mint 11 on my home PC, but I plan to upgrade 
to Linux Mint 12 when it arrives, and since it ships with GNOME 3 I just 
want to be prepared and to know what to expect.

I appreciate your input and your help. Keep up the good work. I am 
looking forward to what will come with GNOME in the future.
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On 11/24/2011 09:57 PM, Robert Cole wrote:
>
> I would usually use the Enhanced Zoom Desktop (eZoom) plugin in Compiz
> for screen magnification in GNOME 2, but I am unsure as to whether or
> not this is an option in GNOME 3/shell. At this point, is there an
> option for fullscreen magnification in GNOME 3? If so, what methods
> would I use to activate it?

GNOME Shell is not compatible with Compiz plugins, so eZoom is not an
option. But GNOME Shell has magnification as a feature. In order to
activate it, you just need to press the accessibility icon at the top
right corner of the screen and press "Zoom" entry.

>
> I am currently using Linux Mint 11 on my home PC, but I plan to
> upgrade to Linux Mint 12 when it arrives, and since it ships with
> GNOME 3 I just want to be prepared and to know what to expect.

Well, GNOME 3 is really different to GNOME 2, so expect a lot of new
things ;) Anyway, reading this  blog entry:

http://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=1851

It seems that linux mint people created a GNOME Shell extension that
makes GNOME Shell looking "more traditional", I didn't test it yet, but
I think that it is something to take into account.
>
> I appreciate your input and your help. Keep up the good work. I am
> looking forward to what will come with GNOME in the future.

We appreciate your interest, and any feedback from your tests with GNOME
Shell.

BR


-- 
Alejandro Pińeiro Iglesias

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Hi Robert,

You wrote:
> ... At this point, is there an option for fullscreen magnification in 
> GNOME 3? If so, what methods would I use to activate it?
>
> ... I am looking forward to what will come with GNOME in the future. 

As Pińeiro has pointed out, GNOME Shell has built-in magnification.  The 
currently supported features are:

* magnification ranging from 1x to 20x.
* mouse tracking modes - centred, push, or proportional.
* position of the magnified view -  full screen, top half, bottom half, 
left half, and right half.
* magnified view optionally follows the mouse.
* crosshairs - show/hide, colour, transparency, length, thickness, and 
whether crosshairs intersect the mouse pointer.

Unfortunately, the control centre dialog for modifying these settings is 
under development.  The only access currently is via the accessibility 
menu near the top left of the screen, as Pińeiro described.

Features in development include inverse video, brightness and contrast 
adjustments, and focus/caret tracking.

More information can be found on the magnifier's wiki page:
http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Magnification

Thanks for your interest.  Hope this helps.

-- 
Joseph Scheuhammer
Inclusive Design Research Centre, OCAD University.
http://idrc.ocad.ca/

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Hi all,

I'm trying to configure the Caribou virtual keyboard layout. My main
interest is removing the "keyboard" and "tray" buttons, so users on a
touchscreen cannot hide the keyboard. I was looking into
caribou-preferences and editing the layout config file at

/usr/share/caribou/layouts/touch/us.xml

Although I could not find these buttons there, and it would be nicer
to provide my own layout file and tell Caribou to use that instead.
Any help would be appreciated.

Best,
Gabor
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Hello, Joseph and Pinheiro (my apologies if I made a spelling error).

I just tested the Zoom feature in Linux Mint 12 in a virtual machine and 
I found that it worked quite smoothly. I will probably install Mint 12 
in the near future so that I can test things without the restrictions of 
a virtual machine.

Just in case other Mint users are involved on this list, I want to make 
a few notes:

Firstly, Mint 12 has enabled a GNOME Shell extension named noa11y. While 
I am unsure as to what it does entirely, I know that it disables the 
Accessibility icon by default. to disable this extension, just press the 
Super (Windows) key and click on the Advanced Settings button (the 
fourth button down on the very left of the screen on my Linux Mint 12 
live session). In Advanced Settings, go to the Shell Extensions section 
and turn off the "noa11y extension". turning this off will cause an 
accessibility icon to appear toward the top right of top panel, to the 
left of the volume icon.

Secondly (and I am unsure is this is default in GNOME 3/Shell or if it 
is caused by something in Linux Mint), there are no keyboard shortcuts 
set by default for magnification. To set shortcuts you will have to 
click on your user icon at the top right of the top panel (I am sorry 
that I do not know the proper names for these icons) and open System 
Settings. You can also open the System Settings window from the Mint 
Menu, System Tools menu, then System Settings. When the System Settings 
menu opens, click on the Keyboard icon that appears in the Hardware 
section. Once the Keyboard window opens, click on the Shortcut tab, and 
then click on the Universal Access listing on the left-hand side of the 
window. The three settings related to the magnifier are: Toggle 
magnifier, Magnifier zoom in, and Magnifier zoom out. Once you set these 
to whatever keyboard shortcuts you desire, close the window and 
everything should be all set for use.

To the developers, I am not too experienced with coding and such, but if 
there is anything that I can do to help with testing and improvement, 
please direct me in what to do/where to go. I want to contribute in some 
way. I am grateful for all that you are doing both in the desktop and in 
terms of accessibility. Because of the work which you are doing, I am 
able to afford to use my computer system because I could not afford to 
pay nearly $700 to $800 for a screen magnifier under Windows. I wish 
that I could financially contribute to this project, as well as to 
others, but I am just enough able to support my family. If there is 
anything else that I can do, however, please let me know. I don't want 
to just be a bystander. :) Your hard work is much appreciated by myself 
as well as others.

I do ashamedly admit that I was not so open to GNOME 3/Shell when it 
first came out, but I am loving it as well as the other desktops 
available. Keep up the good work!
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----- Mensaje original -----=0A=0A> De: Dave Neary <dneary@gnome.org>=0A> P=
ara: marketing-list@gnome.org=0A=0A> On 11/28/2011 08:04 PM, Karen Sandler =
wrote:=0A>>=A0 jjmarin and I are working on this text to promote the FoG ca=
mpaign we hope=0A>>=A0 to launch next week. How can we improve it? Also, do=
 you like "Make =0A> 2012=0A>>=A0 the year of accessibility for GNOME" as a=
 short tagline?=0A> =0A> I hate to say it, but I'm not sure if Accessibilit=
y as an abstract concept =0A> will sell.=0A> =0A> Do we have some examples =
of GNOME users whose lives were made measurably better =0A> because of the =
a11y work we've done? Show-cases work wonders.=0A> =0A>>=A0 With your help =
we can start tackling those goals. Let's kickstart 2012 =0A> as=0A>>=A0 the=
 Year of Accessibility at GNOME and make the most usable desktop=0A>>=A0 en=
vironment the most accessible desktop environment!=0A> =0A> Do we have any =
specific improvements (and the reasons why they're important =0A> - or the =
people for whom they're important) to point to?=0A> =0A=0A=0AHi,=0A=0AI thi=
nk is worth to crossposting the following message from the marketing list t=
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ul the=A0=0Aaccessibilty features of GNOME are in their lives and why it is=
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lot of accessibility tasks to be done in several areas. There=0Aare feature=
s to be implemented, for example, the gnome-shell Magnifier track focus=A0=
=0Aand caret,=A0and more obscure issues in the platform, like peformance Im=
provements=A0=0Awhich are important for getting a snapier user experience, =
just to name a couple of=0Athem. There are many=A0tasks=A0in the=A0accessib=
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On 11/28/11 14:25, Juanjo MarĂ­n wrote:
> I think is worth to crossposting the following message from the marketing list to
> the accessibility list to get some feedback from users about how useful the
> accessibilty features of GNOME are in their lives and why it is important
> for them to keep working on this.

As a random observer on the accessibility list, I would suggest that marketing
of accessibility not just be focused on "Making it possible for other people,
with some physical limitation you don't have, to use the computer", but
"Making it possible for everyone to get more use out of the computer."

When GNOME accessibility started a decade ago, you might have thought that the
projects they were working on - screen magnification, on-screen keyboard with
text prediction, speech recognition and screen reader technologies were just
for disabled users - now they're key parts of the mobile device experience for
all users, try to imagine a touch screen tablet without them, or just watch any
of Apple's Siri commercials.

And of course, large portions of the userbase that may have 20/20 vision
today are not going to have such excellent vision in their future, as our
eyesight deteriorates with age.

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Hello.

I was unsure as to whether or not my reply to this post would be 
helpful, but I figured that, just in case it could be, I would respond.

I fell in love with Linux when I took my first Linux class back in 2006. 
I knew nothing about accessibility at that time, but the professor of 
the class took the time to research the topic for me. I used the 
Gnopernicus magnifier in my first Linux system--Fedora Core 5. In late 
2006 I began using gnome-mag in Ubuntu. In 2007 I completely switched to 
Linux when I aw how stable both gnome-mag and the Compiz eZoom plugin 
were. I was at a point financially where I could not afford to pay for 
upgrades to my screen reader and screen magnifier under Windows. I have 
been happy ever since and have no regrets.

I will admit that when I found out that GNOME 3/Shell did not work with 
Compiz any longer I was quite disappointed as Compiz's eZoom plugin 
worked very smoothly when panning while zoomed into the desktop. I have 
been testing GNOME 3/Shell under a Linux Mint 12 virtual machine, and I 
find that the Zoom feature works wonderfully. It does not pan as 
smoothly as Compiz did, but this is while running on a virtual machine. 
If it is still not completely smooth in an actual environment, I ma sure 
that will be factored out in the future. I am not trying to complain; I 
am very grateful for what is present, and I look forward to what the 
future has to offer.

I have also begun to use Orca to reduce eye strain, and I love it. It 
makes my life much easier. I appreciate all of the hard work which is 
being put into GNOME. during its inception, I had read rants about how 
the developers had basically thrown "Accessibility" to the side. From my 
experiences in my Linux Mint 12 environment, I am glad to see that those 
rants were wrong.

So, from the point of view of a blind student soon to graduate with an 
Associate degree in Computer Information Systems, from someone who is 
financially pressed because of hardships in finding employment, I will 
say this: without the hard work of the GNOME developers, I would not 
have made it this far. I am nto exaggerating any of what I say, believe 
me. The accessibility of GNOME is the reason why I switched to Linux, 
and it is why I stay.

I am sure that some developers out there may feel like their work is in 
vain, but trust me...it definitely is not.

I will end this rambling on, and I do apologize for the long message. I 
just wanted to make it know that, at least in my life, the hard work put 
into GNOME has made a tremendous difference. It is something which I try 
my best not to take for granted.

If I can help with anything (I wish that I could help financially, but I 
can hardly afford to take care of my family) please feel free to contact 
me on- or off-list, whichever is most efficient and proper.

Thanks for everything which all of you do to make GNOME work.


On 11/28/2011 02:25 PM, Juanjo Marín wrote:
> ----- Mensaje original -----
>
>> De: Dave Neary<dneary@gnome.org>
>> Para: marketing-list@gnome.org
>> On 11/28/2011 08:04 PM, Karen Sandler wrote:
>>>    jjmarin and I are working on this text to promote the FoG campaign we hope
>>>    to launch next week. How can we improve it? Also, do you like "Make
>> 2012
>>>    the year of accessibility for GNOME" as a short tagline?
>> I hate to say it, but I'm not sure if Accessibility as an abstract concept
>> will sell.
>>
>> Do we have some examples of GNOME users whose lives were made measurably better
>> because of the a11y work we've done? Show-cases work wonders.
>>
>>>    With your help we can start tackling those goals. Let's kickstart 2012
>> as
>>>    the Year of Accessibility at GNOME and make the most usable desktop
>>>    environment the most accessible desktop environment!
>> Do we have any specific improvements (and the reasons why they're important
>> - or the people for whom they're important) to point to?
>>
>
> Hi,
>
> I think is worth to crossposting the following message from the marketing list to
> the accessibility list to get some feedback from users about how useful the 
> accessibilty features of GNOME are in their lives and why it is important
> for them to keep working on this.
>
> Basically, there are a lot of accessibility tasks to be done in several areas. There
> are features to be implemented, for example, the gnome-shell Magnifier track focus 
> and caret, and more obscure issues in the platform, like peformance Improvements 
> which are important for getting a snapier user experience, just to name a couple of
> them. There are many tasks in the accessibilty roadmap [1] haven't been done yet
> because a lack of resources.
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>     -- Juanjo Marin
>
>
> [1] Two year 2010-2012 accessibilty roadmap. https://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/Roadmap
>
> _______________________________________________
> gnome-accessibility-list mailing list
> gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org
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Robert:

The GNOME Community could use testimonials from people who
use Free Desktop a11y technologies.  Currently the Wiki does not
provide any:

   https://live.gnome.org/Accessibility

I think it would be great for the GNOME community if someone wanted
to help organize putting together some more rich content from users
that benefit from Free Software accessibility projects like GNOME.

Brian


On 11/29/11 12:50 AM, Robert Cole wrote:
> Hello.
>
> I was unsure as to whether or not my reply to this post would be
> helpful, but I figured that, just in case it could be, I would respond.
>
> I fell in love with Linux when I took my first Linux class back in 2006.
> I knew nothing about accessibility at that time, but the professor of
> the class took the time to research the topic for me. I used the
> Gnopernicus magnifier in my first Linux system--Fedora Core 5. In late
> 2006 I began using gnome-mag in Ubuntu. In 2007 I completely switched to
> Linux when I aw how stable both gnome-mag and the Compiz eZoom plugin
> were. I was at a point financially where I could not afford to pay for
> upgrades to my screen reader and screen magnifier under Windows. I have
> been happy ever since and have no regrets.
>
> I will admit that when I found out that GNOME 3/Shell did not work with
> Compiz any longer I was quite disappointed as Compiz's eZoom plugin
> worked very smoothly when panning while zoomed into the desktop. I have
> been testing GNOME 3/Shell under a Linux Mint 12 virtual machine, and I
> find that the Zoom feature works wonderfully. It does not pan as
> smoothly as Compiz did, but this is while running on a virtual machine.
> If it is still not completely smooth in an actual environment, I ma sure
> that will be factored out in the future. I am not trying to complain; I
> am very grateful for what is present, and I look forward to what the
> future has to offer.
>
> I have also begun to use Orca to reduce eye strain, and I love it. It
> makes my life much easier. I appreciate all of the hard work which is
> being put into GNOME. during its inception, I had read rants about how
> the developers had basically thrown "Accessibility" to the side. From my
> experiences in my Linux Mint 12 environment, I am glad to see that those
> rants were wrong.
>
> So, from the point of view of a blind student soon to graduate with an
> Associate degree in Computer Information Systems, from someone who is
> financially pressed because of hardships in finding employment, I will
> say this: without the hard work of the GNOME developers, I would not
> have made it this far. I am nto exaggerating any of what I say, believe
> me. The accessibility of GNOME is the reason why I switched to Linux,
> and it is why I stay.
>
> I am sure that some developers out there may feel like their work is in
> vain, but trust me...it definitely is not.
>
> I will end this rambling on, and I do apologize for the long message. I
> just wanted to make it know that, at least in my life, the hard work put
> into GNOME has made a tremendous difference. It is something which I try
> my best not to take for granted.
>
> If I can help with anything (I wish that I could help financially, but I
> can hardly afford to take care of my family) please feel free to contact
> me on- or off-list, whichever is most efficient and proper.
>
> Thanks for everything which all of you do to make GNOME work.
>
>
> On 11/28/2011 02:25 PM, Juanjo Marín wrote:
>> ----- Mensaje original -----
>>
>>> De: Dave Neary<dneary@gnome.org>
>>> Para: marketing-list@gnome.org
>>> On 11/28/2011 08:04 PM, Karen Sandler wrote:
>>>> jjmarin and I are working on this text to promote the FoG campaign
>>>> we hope
>>>> to launch next week. How can we improve it? Also, do you like "Make
>>> 2012
>>>> the year of accessibility for GNOME" as a short tagline?
>>> I hate to say it, but I'm not sure if Accessibility as an abstract
>>> concept
>>> will sell.
>>>
>>> Do we have some examples of GNOME users whose lives were made
>>> measurably better
>>> because of the a11y work we've done? Show-cases work wonders.
>>>
>>>> With your help we can start tackling those goals. Let's kickstart 2012
>>> as
>>>> the Year of Accessibility at GNOME and make the most usable desktop
>>>> environment the most accessible desktop environment!
>>> Do we have any specific improvements (and the reasons why they're
>>> important
>>> - or the people for whom they're important) to point to?
>>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I think is worth to crossposting the following message from the
>> marketing list to
>> the accessibility list to get some feedback from users about how
>> useful the accessibilty features of GNOME are in their lives and why
>> it is important
>> for them to keep working on this.
>>
>> Basically, there are a lot of accessibility tasks to be done in
>> several areas. There
>> are features to be implemented, for example, the gnome-shell Magnifier
>> track focus and caret, and more obscure issues in the platform, like
>> peformance Improvements which are important for getting a snapier user
>> experience, just to name a couple of
>> them. There are many tasks in the accessibilty roadmap [1] haven't
>> been done yet
>> because a lack of resources.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>> -- Juanjo Marin
>>
>>
>> [1] Two year 2010-2012 accessibilty roadmap.
>> https://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/Roadmap
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> gnome-accessibility-list mailing list
>> gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org
>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
>
> _______________________________________________
> gnome-accessibility-list mailing list
> gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org
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Hello,

I agree that stories like Robert's will be really helpful, and I think that
they are very inspiring --so I hope that more people are willing to
contribute their stories :)

I also would like to say that having stories will help in a lot of ways:
for example, if someone in the GNOME community is trying take accessibility
into account when they are designing their software, it is useful to know
how A.T. users interact with GNOME 3, what their challenges are in using
it, and what they think needs work.

I think it's important to remember that things like word prediction have
grown out of accessibility, but it also might be good (if you decide to
mention that aspect) to explain the differences between cases where
universal access is sufficient, and when and why people need special
accommodations. And of course, why it is so important to all of us that
GNOME provide free, great accessibility :)

Best wishes,
Meg Ford

On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 3:48 AM, Brian Cameron <brian.cameron@oracle.com>wr=
ote:

>
> Robert:
>
> The GNOME Community could use testimonials from people who
> use Free Desktop a11y technologies.  Currently the Wiki does not
> provide any:
>
>  https://live.gnome.org/**Accessibility<https://live.gnome.org/Accessibil=
ity>
>
> I think it would be great for the GNOME community if someone wanted
> to help organize putting together some more rich content from users
> that benefit from Free Software accessibility projects like GNOME.
>
> Brian
>
>
>
> On 11/29/11 12:50 AM, Robert Cole wrote:
>
>> Hello.
>>
>> I was unsure as to whether or not my reply to this post would be
>> helpful, but I figured that, just in case it could be, I would respond.
>>
>> I fell in love with Linux when I took my first Linux class back in 2006.
>> I knew nothing about accessibility at that time, but the professor of
>> the class took the time to research the topic for me. I used the
>> Gnopernicus magnifier in my first Linux system--Fedora Core 5. In late
>> 2006 I began using gnome-mag in Ubuntu. In 2007 I completely switched to
>> Linux when I aw how stable both gnome-mag and the Compiz eZoom plugin
>> were. I was at a point financially where I could not afford to pay for
>> upgrades to my screen reader and screen magnifier under Windows. I have
>> been happy ever since and have no regrets.
>>
>> I will admit that when I found out that GNOME 3/Shell did not work with
>> Compiz any longer I was quite disappointed as Compiz's eZoom plugin
>> worked very smoothly when panning while zoomed into the desktop. I have
>> been testing GNOME 3/Shell under a Linux Mint 12 virtual machine, and I
>> find that the Zoom feature works wonderfully. It does not pan as
>> smoothly as Compiz did, but this is while running on a virtual machine.
>> If it is still not completely smooth in an actual environment, I ma sure
>> that will be factored out in the future. I am not trying to complain; I
>> am very grateful for what is present, and I look forward to what the
>> future has to offer.
>>
>> I have also begun to use Orca to reduce eye strain, and I love it. It
>> makes my life much easier. I appreciate all of the hard work which is
>> being put into GNOME. during its inception, I had read rants about how
>> the developers had basically thrown "Accessibility" to the side. From my
>> experiences in my Linux Mint 12 environment, I am glad to see that those
>> rants were wrong.
>>
>> So, from the point of view of a blind student soon to graduate with an
>> Associate degree in Computer Information Systems, from someone who is
>> financially pressed because of hardships in finding employment, I will
>> say this: without the hard work of the GNOME developers, I would not
>> have made it this far. I am nto exaggerating any of what I say, believe
>> me. The accessibility of GNOME is the reason why I switched to Linux,
>> and it is why I stay.
>>
>> I am sure that some developers out there may feel like their work is in
>> vain, but trust me...it definitely is not.
>>
>> I will end this rambling on, and I do apologize for the long message. I
>> just wanted to make it know that, at least in my life, the hard work put
>> into GNOME has made a tremendous difference. It is something which I try
>> my best not to take for granted.
>>
>> If I can help with anything (I wish that I could help financially, but I
>> can hardly afford to take care of my family) please feel free to contact
>> me on- or off-list, whichever is most efficient and proper.
>>
>> Thanks for everything which all of you do to make GNOME work.
>>
>>
>> On 11/28/2011 02:25 PM, Juanjo Mar=EDn wrote:
>>
>>> ----- Mensaje original -----
>>>
>>>  De: Dave Neary<dneary@gnome.org>
>>>> Para: marketing-list@gnome.org
>>>> On 11/28/2011 08:04 PM, Karen Sandler wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> jjmarin and I are working on this text to promote the FoG campaign
>>>>> we hope
>>>>> to launch next week. How can we improve it? Also, do you like "Make
>>>>>
>>>> 2012
>>>>
>>>>> the year of accessibility for GNOME" as a short tagline?
>>>>>
>>>> I hate to say it, but I'm not sure if Accessibility as an abstract
>>>> concept
>>>> will sell.
>>>>
>>>> Do we have some examples of GNOME users whose lives were made
>>>> measurably better
>>>> because of the a11y work we've done? Show-cases work wonders.
>>>>
>>>>  With your help we can start tackling those goals. Let's kickstart 201=
2
>>>>>
>>>> as
>>>>
>>>>> the Year of Accessibility at GNOME and make the most usable desktop
>>>>> environment the most accessible desktop environment!
>>>>>
>>>> Do we have any specific improvements (and the reasons why they're
>>>> important
>>>> - or the people for whom they're important) to point to?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I think is worth to crossposting the following message from the
>>> marketing list to
>>> the accessibility list to get some feedback from users about how
>>> useful the accessibilty features of GNOME are in their lives and why
>>> it is important
>>> for them to keep working on this.
>>>
>>> Basically, there are a lot of accessibility tasks to be done in
>>> several areas. There
>>> are features to be implemented, for example, the gnome-shell Magnifier
>>> track focus and caret, and more obscure issues in the platform, like
>>> peformance Improvements which are important for getting a snapier user
>>> experience, just to name a couple of
>>> them. There are many tasks in the accessibilty roadmap [1] haven't
>>> been done yet
>>> because a lack of resources.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Juanjo Marin
>>>
>>>
>>> [1] Two year 2010-2012 accessibilty roadmap.
>>> https://live.gnome.org/**Accessibility/Roadmap<https://live.gnome.org/A=
ccessibility/Roadmap>
>>>
>>> ______________________________**_________________
>>> gnome-accessibility-list mailing list
>>> gnome-accessibility-list@**gnome.org<gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org=
>
>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/**listinfo/gnome-accessibility-**list<htt=
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>>>
>>
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Hello,<br><br>I agree that stories like Robert&#39;s will be really helpful=
, and I think that they are very inspiring --so I hope that more people are=
 willing to contribute their stories :)<br><br>I also would like to say tha=
t having stories will help in a lot of ways: for example, if someone in the=
 GNOME community is trying take accessibility into account when they are de=
signing their software, it is useful to know how A.T. users interact with G=
NOME 3, what their challenges are in using it, and what they think needs wo=
rk. <br>
<br>I think it&#39;s important to remember that things like word prediction=
 have grown out of accessibility, but it also might be good (if you decide =
to mention that aspect) to explain the differences between cases where univ=
ersal access is sufficient, and when and why people need special accommodat=
ions. And of course, why it is so important to all of us that GNOME provide=
 free, great accessibility :)<br>
<br>Best wishes,<br>Meg Ford<br>

<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 3:48 AM, Brian Cameron <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:brian.cameron@oracle.com" target=3D"_blank">brian.cameron@oracl=
e.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">



<br>
Robert:<br>
<br>
The GNOME Community could use testimonials from people who<br>
use Free Desktop a11y technologies. =A0Currently the Wiki does not<br>
provide any:<br>
<br>
 =A0<a href=3D"https://live.gnome.org/Accessibility" target=3D"_blank">http=
s://live.gnome.org/<u></u>Accessibility</a><br>
<br>
I think it would be great for the GNOME community if someone wanted<br>
to help organize putting together some more rich content from users<br>
that benefit from Free Software accessibility projects like GNOME.<span><fo=
nt color=3D"#888888"><br>
<br>
Brian</font></span><div><div><br>
<br>
<br>
On 11/29/11 12:50 AM, Robert Cole wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hello.<br>
<br>
I was unsure as to whether or not my reply to this post would be<br>
helpful, but I figured that, just in case it could be, I would respond.<br>
<br>
I fell in love with Linux when I took my first Linux class back in 2006.<br=
>
I knew nothing about accessibility at that time, but the professor of<br>
the class took the time to research the topic for me. I used the<br>
Gnopernicus magnifier in my first Linux system--Fedora Core 5. In late<br>
2006 I began using gnome-mag in Ubuntu. In 2007 I completely switched to<br=
>
Linux when I aw how stable both gnome-mag and the Compiz eZoom plugin<br>
were. I was at a point financially where I could not afford to pay for<br>
upgrades to my screen reader and screen magnifier under Windows. I have<br>
been happy ever since and have no regrets.<br>
<br>
I will admit that when I found out that GNOME 3/Shell did not work with<br>
Compiz any longer I was quite disappointed as Compiz&#39;s eZoom plugin<br>
worked very smoothly when panning while zoomed into the desktop. I have<br>
been testing GNOME 3/Shell under a Linux Mint 12 virtual machine, and I<br>
find that the Zoom feature works wonderfully. It does not pan as<br>
smoothly as Compiz did, but this is while running on a virtual machine.<br>
If it is still not completely smooth in an actual environment, I ma sure<br=
>
that will be factored out in the future. I am not trying to complain; I<br>
am very grateful for what is present, and I look forward to what the<br>
future has to offer.<br>
<br>
I have also begun to use Orca to reduce eye strain, and I love it. It<br>
makes my life much easier. I appreciate all of the hard work which is<br>
being put into GNOME. during its inception, I had read rants about how<br>
the developers had basically thrown &quot;Accessibility&quot; to the side. =
>From my<br>
experiences in my Linux Mint 12 environment, I am glad to see that those<br=
>
rants were wrong.<br>
<br>
So, from the point of view of a blind student soon to graduate with an<br>
Associate degree in Computer Information Systems, from someone who is<br>
financially pressed because of hardships in finding employment, I will<br>
say this: without the hard work of the GNOME developers, I would not<br>
have made it this far. I am nto exaggerating any of what I say, believe<br>
me. The accessibility of GNOME is the reason why I switched to Linux,<br>
and it is why I stay.<br>
<br>
I am sure that some developers out there may feel like their work is in<br>
vain, but trust me...it definitely is not.<br>
<br>
I will end this rambling on, and I do apologize for the long message. I<br>
just wanted to make it know that, at least in my life, the hard work put<br=
>
into GNOME has made a tremendous difference. It is something which I try<br=
>
my best not to take for granted.<br>
<br>
If I can help with anything (I wish that I could help financially, but I<br=
>
can hardly afford to take care of my family) please feel free to contact<br=
>
me on- or off-list, whichever is most efficient and proper.<br>
<br>
Thanks for everything which all of you do to make GNOME work.<br>
<br>
<br>
On 11/28/2011 02:25 PM, Juanjo Mar=EDn wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
----- Mensaje original -----<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
De: Dave Neary&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dneary@gnome.org" target=3D"_blank">dne=
ary@gnome.org</a>&gt;<br>
Para: <a href=3D"mailto:marketing-list@gnome.org" target=3D"_blank">marketi=
ng-list@gnome.org</a><br>
On 11/28/2011 08:04 PM, Karen Sandler wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
jjmarin and I are working on this text to promote the FoG campaign<br>
we hope<br>
to launch next week. How can we improve it? Also, do you like &quot;Make<br=
>
</blockquote>
2012<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
the year of accessibility for GNOME&quot; as a short tagline?<br>
</blockquote>
I hate to say it, but I&#39;m not sure if Accessibility as an abstract<br>
concept<br>
will sell.<br>
<br>
Do we have some examples of GNOME users whose lives were made<br>
measurably better<br>
because of the a11y work we&#39;ve done? Show-cases work wonders.<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
With your help we can start tackling those goals. Let&#39;s kickstart 2012<=
br>
</blockquote>
as<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
the Year of Accessibility at GNOME and make the most usable desktop<br>
environment the most accessible desktop environment!<br>
</blockquote>
Do we have any specific improvements (and the reasons why they&#39;re<br>
important<br>
- or the people for whom they&#39;re important) to point to?<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
Hi,<br>
<br>
I think is worth to crossposting the following message from the<br>
marketing list to<br>
the accessibility list to get some feedback from users about how<br>
useful the accessibilty features of GNOME are in their lives and why<br>
it is important<br>
for them to keep working on this.<br>
<br>
Basically, there are a lot of accessibility tasks to be done in<br>
several areas. There<br>
are features to be implemented, for example, the gnome-shell Magnifier<br>
track focus and caret, and more obscure issues in the platform, like<br>
peformance Improvements which are important for getting a snapier user<br>
experience, just to name a couple of<br>
them. There are many tasks in the accessibilty roadmap [1] haven&#39;t<br>
been done yet<br>
because a lack of resources.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
<br>
<br>
-- Juanjo Marin<br>
<br>
<br>
[1] Two year 2010-2012 accessibilty roadmap.<br>
<a href=3D"https://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/Roadmap" target=3D"_blank">=
https://live.gnome.org/<u></u>Accessibility/Roadmap</a><br>
<br>
______________________________<u></u>_________________<br>
gnome-accessibility-list mailing list<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org" target=3D"_blank">gno=
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<br>
______________________________<u></u>_________________<br>
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<a href=3D"mailto:gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org" target=3D"_blank">gno=
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<a href=3D"mailto:gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org" target=3D"_blank">gno=
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I have never edited a Wiki or anything of the like, but I have always 
wanted to create some tutorials and documents to help people who want to 
make the jump to Linux. When I first started using Linux, my learning 
experience came from browsing forums and from the results of numerous 
Google searches. I did not get involved with mailing lists until maybe 
late last year; I wish I would have done so sooner.

Switching to Linux was a very frightening thing for me at first because 
I felt as though very, very few visually impaired individuals used it. I 
was nervous about what to do, how to activate certain features, and so 
on. My wife (who is fully sighted) had never used Linux, let alone heard 
of it, so I had to be able to support the system and carry out basic 
administration tasks. When I first started using Linux, it seemed (and 
maybe this was because of my poor searching skills) that accessibility 
information was a bit hard to find.

I do not have really any programming experience, but I have always loved 
to write. As time permits, I want to learn more about GNOME 3/Shell 
(e.g. the proper names for different elements), and I woulds like to try 
to write up some draft tutorials for visually impaired users.

As I said before I am very appreciative of what is being done, and I 
want to be able to help wherever and however I can.

One question: For Wiki editing, do I need to be a member of a specific 
group or do I need to pass along my information to someone who moderates 
the Wiki? I just do not want to overstep any bounds or take any actions 
which I should not take.

Thanks, everyone. Keep up the great work.

On 11/29/2011 01:48 AM, Brian Cameron wrote:
>
> Robert:
>
> The GNOME Community could use testimonials from people who
> use Free Desktop a11y technologies.  Currently the Wiki does not
> provide any:
>
>   https://live.gnome.org/Accessibility
>
> I think it would be great for the GNOME community if someone wanted
> to help organize putting together some more rich content from users
> that benefit from Free Software accessibility projects like GNOME.
>
> Brian
>
>
> On 11/29/11 12:50 AM, Robert Cole wrote:
>> Hello.
>>
>> I was unsure as to whether or not my reply to this post would be
>> helpful, but I figured that, just in case it could be, I would respond.
>>
>> I fell in love with Linux when I took my first Linux class back in 2006.
>> I knew nothing about accessibility at that time, but the professor of
>> the class took the time to research the topic for me. I used the
>> Gnopernicus magnifier in my first Linux system--Fedora Core 5. In late
>> 2006 I began using gnome-mag in Ubuntu. In 2007 I completely switched to
>> Linux when I aw how stable both gnome-mag and the Compiz eZoom plugin
>> were. I was at a point financially where I could not afford to pay for
>> upgrades to my screen reader and screen magnifier under Windows. I have
>> been happy ever since and have no regrets.
>>
>> I will admit that when I found out that GNOME 3/Shell did not work with
>> Compiz any longer I was quite disappointed as Compiz's eZoom plugin
>> worked very smoothly when panning while zoomed into the desktop. I have
>> been testing GNOME 3/Shell under a Linux Mint 12 virtual machine, and I
>> find that the Zoom feature works wonderfully. It does not pan as
>> smoothly as Compiz did, but this is while running on a virtual machine.
>> If it is still not completely smooth in an actual environment, I ma sure
>> that will be factored out in the future. I am not trying to complain; I
>> am very grateful for what is present, and I look forward to what the
>> future has to offer.
>>
>> I have also begun to use Orca to reduce eye strain, and I love it. It
>> makes my life much easier. I appreciate all of the hard work which is
>> being put into GNOME. during its inception, I had read rants about how
>> the developers had basically thrown "Accessibility" to the side. From my
>> experiences in my Linux Mint 12 environment, I am glad to see that those
>> rants were wrong.
>>
>> So, from the point of view of a blind student soon to graduate with an
>> Associate degree in Computer Information Systems, from someone who is
>> financially pressed because of hardships in finding employment, I will
>> say this: without the hard work of the GNOME developers, I would not
>> have made it this far. I am nto exaggerating any of what I say, believe
>> me. The accessibility of GNOME is the reason why I switched to Linux,
>> and it is why I stay.
>>
>> I am sure that some developers out there may feel like their work is in
>> vain, but trust me...it definitely is not.
>>
>> I will end this rambling on, and I do apologize for the long message. I
>> just wanted to make it know that, at least in my life, the hard work put
>> into GNOME has made a tremendous difference. It is something which I try
>> my best not to take for granted.
>>
>> If I can help with anything (I wish that I could help financially, but I
>> can hardly afford to take care of my family) please feel free to contact
>> me on- or off-list, whichever is most efficient and proper.
>>
>> Thanks for everything which all of you do to make GNOME work.
>>
>>
>> On 11/28/2011 02:25 PM, Juanjo Marín wrote:
>>> ----- Mensaje original -----
>>>
>>>> De: Dave Neary<dneary@gnome.org>
>>>> Para: marketing-list@gnome.org
>>>> On 11/28/2011 08:04 PM, Karen Sandler wrote:
>>>>> jjmarin and I are working on this text to promote the FoG campaign
>>>>> we hope
>>>>> to launch next week. How can we improve it? Also, do you like "Make
>>>> 2012
>>>>> the year of accessibility for GNOME" as a short tagline?
>>>> I hate to say it, but I'm not sure if Accessibility as an abstract
>>>> concept
>>>> will sell.
>>>>
>>>> Do we have some examples of GNOME users whose lives were made
>>>> measurably better
>>>> because of the a11y work we've done? Show-cases work wonders.
>>>>
>>>>> With your help we can start tackling those goals. Let's kickstart 
>>>>> 2012
>>>> as
>>>>> the Year of Accessibility at GNOME and make the most usable desktop
>>>>> environment the most accessible desktop environment!
>>>> Do we have any specific improvements (and the reasons why they're
>>>> important
>>>> - or the people for whom they're important) to point to?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I think is worth to crossposting the following message from the
>>> marketing list to
>>> the accessibility list to get some feedback from users about how
>>> useful the accessibilty features of GNOME are in their lives and why
>>> it is important
>>> for them to keep working on this.
>>>
>>> Basically, there are a lot of accessibility tasks to be done in
>>> several areas. There
>>> are features to be implemented, for example, the gnome-shell Magnifier
>>> track focus and caret, and more obscure issues in the platform, like
>>> peformance Improvements which are important for getting a snapier user
>>> experience, just to name a couple of
>>> them. There are many tasks in the accessibilty roadmap [1] haven't
>>> been done yet
>>> because a lack of resources.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Juanjo Marin
>>>
>>>
>>> [1] Two year 2010-2012 accessibilty roadmap.
>>> https://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/Roadmap
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> gnome-accessibility-list mailing list
>>> gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org
>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org
>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
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Robert:

To get involved and to help maintain and improve the GNOME Wiki,
just request an account here:

   https://live.gnome.org/UserPreferences

Help for people new to our Wiki is here:

   https://live.gnome.org/QuickStart

Feel free to create a Testimonials Wiki page as a subpage of
https://live.gnome.org/Accessibility.  Just keep us posted on this
mailing list regarding any progress.

It would be great to get help doing this and other sorts of
improvements to better encourage more people to try Linux and free
software accessibility solutions.

Brian


On 11/29/11 08:49 PM, Robert Cole wrote:
> I have never edited a Wiki or anything of the like, but I have always
> wanted to create some tutorials and documents to help people who want to
> make the jump to Linux. When I first started using Linux, my learning
> experience came from browsing forums and from the results of numerous
> Google searches. I did not get involved with mailing lists until maybe
> late last year; I wish I would have done so sooner.
>
> Switching to Linux was a very frightening thing for me at first because
> I felt as though very, very few visually impaired individuals used it. I
> was nervous about what to do, how to activate certain features, and so
> on. My wife (who is fully sighted) had never used Linux, let alone heard
> of it, so I had to be able to support the system and carry out basic
> administration tasks. When I first started using Linux, it seemed (and
> maybe this was because of my poor searching skills) that accessibility
> information was a bit hard to find.
>
> I do not have really any programming experience, but I have always loved
> to write. As time permits, I want to learn more about GNOME 3/Shell
> (e.g. the proper names for different elements), and I woulds like to try
> to write up some draft tutorials for visually impaired users.
>
> As I said before I am very appreciative of what is being done, and I
> want to be able to help wherever and however I can.
>
> One question: For Wiki editing, do I need to be a member of a specific
> group or do I need to pass along my information to someone who moderates
> the Wiki? I just do not want to overstep any bounds or take any actions
> which I should not take.
>
> Thanks, everyone. Keep up the great work.
>
> On 11/29/2011 01:48 AM, Brian Cameron wrote:
>>
>> Robert:
>>
>> The GNOME Community could use testimonials from people who
>> use Free Desktop a11y technologies. Currently the Wiki does not
>> provide any:
>>
>> https://live.gnome.org/Accessibility
>>
>> I think it would be great for the GNOME community if someone wanted
>> to help organize putting together some more rich content from users
>> that benefit from Free Software accessibility projects like GNOME.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>>
>> On 11/29/11 12:50 AM, Robert Cole wrote:
>>> Hello.
>>>
>>> I was unsure as to whether or not my reply to this post would be
>>> helpful, but I figured that, just in case it could be, I would respond.
>>>
>>> I fell in love with Linux when I took my first Linux class back in 2006.
>>> I knew nothing about accessibility at that time, but the professor of
>>> the class took the time to research the topic for me. I used the
>>> Gnopernicus magnifier in my first Linux system--Fedora Core 5. In late
>>> 2006 I began using gnome-mag in Ubuntu. In 2007 I completely switched to
>>> Linux when I aw how stable both gnome-mag and the Compiz eZoom plugin
>>> were. I was at a point financially where I could not afford to pay for
>>> upgrades to my screen reader and screen magnifier under Windows. I have
>>> been happy ever since and have no regrets.
>>>
>>> I will admit that when I found out that GNOME 3/Shell did not work with
>>> Compiz any longer I was quite disappointed as Compiz's eZoom plugin
>>> worked very smoothly when panning while zoomed into the desktop. I have
>>> been testing GNOME 3/Shell under a Linux Mint 12 virtual machine, and I
>>> find that the Zoom feature works wonderfully. It does not pan as
>>> smoothly as Compiz did, but this is while running on a virtual machine.
>>> If it is still not completely smooth in an actual environment, I ma sure
>>> that will be factored out in the future. I am not trying to complain; I
>>> am very grateful for what is present, and I look forward to what the
>>> future has to offer.
>>>
>>> I have also begun to use Orca to reduce eye strain, and I love it. It
>>> makes my life much easier. I appreciate all of the hard work which is
>>> being put into GNOME. during its inception, I had read rants about how
>>> the developers had basically thrown "Accessibility" to the side. From my
>>> experiences in my Linux Mint 12 environment, I am glad to see that those
>>> rants were wrong.
>>>
>>> So, from the point of view of a blind student soon to graduate with an
>>> Associate degree in Computer Information Systems, from someone who is
>>> financially pressed because of hardships in finding employment, I will
>>> say this: without the hard work of the GNOME developers, I would not
>>> have made it this far. I am nto exaggerating any of what I say, believe
>>> me. The accessibility of GNOME is the reason why I switched to Linux,
>>> and it is why I stay.
>>>
>>> I am sure that some developers out there may feel like their work is in
>>> vain, but trust me...it definitely is not.
>>>
>>> I will end this rambling on, and I do apologize for the long message. I
>>> just wanted to make it know that, at least in my life, the hard work put
>>> into GNOME has made a tremendous difference. It is something which I try
>>> my best not to take for granted.
>>>
>>> If I can help with anything (I wish that I could help financially, but I
>>> can hardly afford to take care of my family) please feel free to contact
>>> me on- or off-list, whichever is most efficient and proper.
>>>
>>> Thanks for everything which all of you do to make GNOME work.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/28/2011 02:25 PM, Juanjo Marín wrote:
>>>> ----- Mensaje original -----
>>>>
>>>>> De: Dave Neary<dneary@gnome.org>
>>>>> Para: marketing-list@gnome.org
>>>>> On 11/28/2011 08:04 PM, Karen Sandler wrote:
>>>>>> jjmarin and I are working on this text to promote the FoG campaign
>>>>>> we hope
>>>>>> to launch next week. How can we improve it? Also, do you like "Make
>>>>> 2012
>>>>>> the year of accessibility for GNOME" as a short tagline?
>>>>> I hate to say it, but I'm not sure if Accessibility as an abstract
>>>>> concept
>>>>> will sell.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do we have some examples of GNOME users whose lives were made
>>>>> measurably better
>>>>> because of the a11y work we've done? Show-cases work wonders.
>>>>>
>>>>>> With your help we can start tackling those goals. Let's kickstart
>>>>>> 2012
>>>>> as
>>>>>> the Year of Accessibility at GNOME and make the most usable desktop
>>>>>> environment the most accessible desktop environment!
>>>>> Do we have any specific improvements (and the reasons why they're
>>>>> important
>>>>> - or the people for whom they're important) to point to?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I think is worth to crossposting the following message from the
>>>> marketing list to
>>>> the accessibility list to get some feedback from users about how
>>>> useful the accessibilty features of GNOME are in their lives and why
>>>> it is important
>>>> for them to keep working on this.
>>>>
>>>> Basically, there are a lot of accessibility tasks to be done in
>>>> several areas. There
>>>> are features to be implemented, for example, the gnome-shell Magnifier
>>>> track focus and caret, and more obscure issues in the platform, like
>>>> peformance Improvements which are important for getting a snapier user
>>>> experience, just to name a couple of
>>>> them. There are many tasks in the accessibilty roadmap [1] haven't
>>>> been done yet
>>>> because a lack of resources.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- Juanjo Marin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [1] Two year 2010-2012 accessibilty roadmap.
>>>> https://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/Roadmap
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> gnome-accessibility-list mailing list
>>>> gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org
>>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> gnome-accessibility-list mailing list
>>> gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org
>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org
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Hello, Brian.

Thanks for the information.

I have created a profile. I am going to review all of the information 
provided on the pages which you linked to, and I will create a 
Testimonials page within the next few days. I am also going to write to 
some other mailing lists and ask for testimonials which I will post as 
time goes on. I am looking forward to being of some help!

Thanks for the guidance, and I look forward to what the future holds for 
GNOME and free, open source desktops and software!

I will keep the list posted on any progress.

Take care!

On 11/29/2011 06:03 PM, Brian Cameron wrote:
>
> Robert:
>
> To get involved and to help maintain and improve the GNOME Wiki,
> just request an account here:
>
>   https://live.gnome.org/UserPreferences
>
> Help for people new to our Wiki is here:
>
>   https://live.gnome.org/QuickStart
>
> Feel free to create a Testimonials Wiki page as a subpage of
> https://live.gnome.org/Accessibility.  Just keep us posted on this
> mailing list regarding any progress.
>
> It would be great to get help doing this and other sorts of
> improvements to better encourage more people to try Linux and free
> software accessibility solutions.
>
> Brian
>
>
> On 11/29/11 08:49 PM, Robert Cole wrote:
>> I have never edited a Wiki or anything of the like, but I have always
>> wanted to create some tutorials and documents to help people who want to
>> make the jump to Linux. When I first started using Linux, my learning
>> experience came from browsing forums and from the results of numerous
>> Google searches. I did not get involved with mailing lists until maybe
>> late last year; I wish I would have done so sooner.
>>
>> Switching to Linux was a very frightening thing for me at first because
>> I felt as though very, very few visually impaired individuals used it. I
>> was nervous about what to do, how to activate certain features, and so
>> on. My wife (who is fully sighted) had never used Linux, let alone heard
>> of it, so I had to be able to support the system and carry out basic
>> administration tasks. When I first started using Linux, it seemed (and
>> maybe this was because of my poor searching skills) that accessibility
>> information was a bit hard to find.
>>
>> I do not have really any programming experience, but I have always loved
>> to write. As time permits, I want to learn more about GNOME 3/Shell
>> (e.g. the proper names for different elements), and I woulds like to try
>> to write up some draft tutorials for visually impaired users.
>>
>> As I said before I am very appreciative of what is being done, and I
>> want to be able to help wherever and however I can.
>>
>> One question: For Wiki editing, do I need to be a member of a specific
>> group or do I need to pass along my information to someone who moderates
>> the Wiki? I just do not want to overstep any bounds or take any actions
>> which I should not take.
>>
>> Thanks, everyone. Keep up the great work.
>>
>> On 11/29/2011 01:48 AM, Brian Cameron wrote:
>>>
>>> Robert:
>>>
>>> The GNOME Community could use testimonials from people who
>>> use Free Desktop a11y technologies. Currently the Wiki does not
>>> provide any:
>>>
>>> https://live.gnome.org/Accessibility
>>>
>>> I think it would be great for the GNOME community if someone wanted
>>> to help organize putting together some more rich content from users
>>> that benefit from Free Software accessibility projects like GNOME.
>>>
>>> Brian
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/29/11 12:50 AM, Robert Cole wrote:
>>>> Hello.
>>>>
>>>> I was unsure as to whether or not my reply to this post would be
>>>> helpful, but I figured that, just in case it could be, I would 
>>>> respond.
>>>>
>>>> I fell in love with Linux when I took my first Linux class back in 
>>>> 2006.
>>>> I knew nothing about accessibility at that time, but the professor of
>>>> the class took the time to research the topic for me. I used the
>>>> Gnopernicus magnifier in my first Linux system--Fedora Core 5. In late
>>>> 2006 I began using gnome-mag in Ubuntu. In 2007 I completely 
>>>> switched to
>>>> Linux when I aw how stable both gnome-mag and the Compiz eZoom plugin
>>>> were. I was at a point financially where I could not afford to pay for
>>>> upgrades to my screen reader and screen magnifier under Windows. I 
>>>> have
>>>> been happy ever since and have no regrets.
>>>>
>>>> I will admit that when I found out that GNOME 3/Shell did not work 
>>>> with
>>>> Compiz any longer I was quite disappointed as Compiz's eZoom plugin
>>>> worked very smoothly when panning while zoomed into the desktop. I 
>>>> have
>>>> been testing GNOME 3/Shell under a Linux Mint 12 virtual machine, 
>>>> and I
>>>> find that the Zoom feature works wonderfully. It does not pan as
>>>> smoothly as Compiz did, but this is while running on a virtual 
>>>> machine.
>>>> If it is still not completely smooth in an actual environment, I ma 
>>>> sure
>>>> that will be factored out in the future. I am not trying to 
>>>> complain; I
>>>> am very grateful for what is present, and I look forward to what the
>>>> future has to offer.
>>>>
>>>> I have also begun to use Orca to reduce eye strain, and I love it. It
>>>> makes my life much easier. I appreciate all of the hard work which is
>>>> being put into GNOME. during its inception, I had read rants about how
>>>> the developers had basically thrown "Accessibility" to the side. 
>>>> From my
>>>> experiences in my Linux Mint 12 environment, I am glad to see that 
>>>> those
>>>> rants were wrong.
>>>>
>>>> So, from the point of view of a blind student soon to graduate with an
>>>> Associate degree in Computer Information Systems, from someone who is
>>>> financially pressed because of hardships in finding employment, I will
>>>> say this: without the hard work of the GNOME developers, I would not
>>>> have made it this far. I am nto exaggerating any of what I say, 
>>>> believe
>>>> me. The accessibility of GNOME is the reason why I switched to Linux,
>>>> and it is why I stay.
>>>>
>>>> I am sure that some developers out there may feel like their work 
>>>> is in
>>>> vain, but trust me...it definitely is not.
>>>>
>>>> I will end this rambling on, and I do apologize for the long 
>>>> message. I
>>>> just wanted to make it know that, at least in my life, the hard 
>>>> work put
>>>> into GNOME has made a tremendous difference. It is something which 
>>>> I try
>>>> my best not to take for granted.
>>>>
>>>> If I can help with anything (I wish that I could help financially, 
>>>> but I
>>>> can hardly afford to take care of my family) please feel free to 
>>>> contact
>>>> me on- or off-list, whichever is most efficient and proper.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for everything which all of you do to make GNOME work.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/28/2011 02:25 PM, Juanjo Marín wrote:
>>>>> ----- Mensaje original -----
>>>>>
>>>>>> De: Dave Neary<dneary@gnome.org>
>>>>>> Para: marketing-list@gnome.org
>>>>>> On 11/28/2011 08:04 PM, Karen Sandler wrote:
>>>>>>> jjmarin and I are working on this text to promote the FoG campaign
>>>>>>> we hope
>>>>>>> to launch next week. How can we improve it? Also, do you like "Make
>>>>>> 2012
>>>>>>> the year of accessibility for GNOME" as a short tagline?
>>>>>> I hate to say it, but I'm not sure if Accessibility as an abstract
>>>>>> concept
>>>>>> will sell.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do we have some examples of GNOME users whose lives were made
>>>>>> measurably better
>>>>>> because of the a11y work we've done? Show-cases work wonders.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With your help we can start tackling those goals. Let's kickstart
>>>>>>> 2012
>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> the Year of Accessibility at GNOME and make the most usable desktop
>>>>>>> environment the most accessible desktop environment!
>>>>>> Do we have any specific improvements (and the reasons why they're
>>>>>> important
>>>>>> - or the people for whom they're important) to point to?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I think is worth to crossposting the following message from the
>>>>> marketing list to
>>>>> the accessibility list to get some feedback from users about how
>>>>> useful the accessibilty features of GNOME are in their lives and why
>>>>> it is important
>>>>> for them to keep working on this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Basically, there are a lot of accessibility tasks to be done in
>>>>> several areas. There
>>>>> are features to be implemented, for example, the gnome-shell 
>>>>> Magnifier
>>>>> track focus and caret, and more obscure issues in the platform, like
>>>>> peformance Improvements which are important for getting a snapier 
>>>>> user
>>>>> experience, just to name a couple of
>>>>> them. There are many tasks in the accessibilty roadmap [1] haven't
>>>>> been done yet
>>>>> because a lack of resources.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -- Juanjo Marin
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] Two year 2010-2012 accessibilty roadmap.
>>>>> https://live.gnome.org/Accessibility/Roadmap
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> gnome-accessibility-list mailing list
>>>>> gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org
>>>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> gnome-accessibility-list mailing list
>>>> gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org
>>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> gnome-accessibility-list mailing list
>> gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org
>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list
>

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Robert:

> Thanks for the information.

My pleasure.

> I have created a profile. I am going to review all of the information
> provided on the pages which you linked to, and I will create a
> Testimonials page within the next few days. I am also going to write to
> some other mailing lists and ask for testimonials which I will post as
> time goes on. I am looking forward to being of some help!

This would be a huge help!  It is great to have you more involved.  I
think some pictures of happy GNOME users with a variety of accessibility
devices would be amazing.

It would be also good if we could ensure that people that provide
testimonials are agreeable to share their testimonial under a free
license and to make sure that the Testimonials Wiki clearly communicates
this as an aspect of our love for freedom.  :)

Brian
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Hi folks!

Maybe this announcement is a little late for some reasons, but, still
(more) good reasons too for to do this right now!

As a brief resume, the Accessibility of the libre! workstation it's a
one-day event that will take place at Granada, Spain on 30th November 2011.

This event will gather companies like Igalia, BJ-adaptaciones, Indisys,
Eneso, Crea-SI, and Emergya, with r&d labs at the Granada University and
floss-friendly foundations in Andalusia. The program has been designed in
order to deal some issues about free accessibility, discussing about the
state-of-the-art of the a11y on the workstation using free software.

We're hoping on to generate some papers about talks with conclusions,
facts, etc.
We have a wiki page [1] for the event and we're going to update it with all
generated content and so on.

Addingly, you can follow the event by streaming [2]


Best regards!

[1]: https://live.gnome.org/Hackfests/WorkstationA11y2011
[2]:  http://t.co/KyI2cR1w

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state-of-the-art of the a11y on the workstation using free software. <br>
<br>We&#39;re hoping on to generate some papers about talks with conclusion=
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Hi,
back in 2008, nautilus implemented an enhanced keyboard
navigation,only activated when a11y was off, because this new
navigation would confuse visually impared people, details in
http://bugs.gnome.org/526802 . Now in gnome3 the condition that
checked if a11y was 'off' or 'on' is always returning 'on' so the
enhanced keyboard navigation is lost. The condition is the following:

a11y_is_off = ATK_IS_NO_OP_OBJECT (gtk_widget_get_accessible
(GTK_WIDGET (nautilus_container)))

so, is this the right way to check if accesibility is activated on a widget?

if that is true, does that mean that a11y is activated by default on
gnome 3? or is this distro-dependent?.. I'm in fedora 16 right now..


Sorry if my questions are obvious I dont know much about a11y I just
want to fix the nautilus regression[1]..

[1] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=660881

Thank you!
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Well...

There's a gsettings key that determines whether atk-bridge gets loaded 
(org.gnome.desktop.interface toolkit-accessibility). But shouldn't this be 
a user preference somewhere, if it isn't going to always be enabled? Using 
toolkit-accessibility as a test doesn't really seem like the right way to 
go about it. If accessibility is enabled for some other reason (running 
ldtp, for instance), or if in the future it is enabled by default, then 
the test will break.

I'm curious as to where the original discussion happened / if others have 
a preference for not wanting the behavior. The tabular position of a file 
isn't really important when files are just listed in order. Even if a 
screen reader user might want to know when moving to the next row, the 
screen reader could potentially query the new cell location if the 
container accessible implements AtkTable, and give the user an indication 
of being on a new row if a preference for that behavior is set. So I don't 
personally see a reason not to just always enable the behavior, but it 
would be good to see if anyone else reading this has an opinion one way or 
the other.

-Mike G-

On Wed, 30 Nov 2011, Nelson Benítez León wrote:

> Hi,
> back in 2008, nautilus implemented an enhanced keyboard
> navigation,only activated when a11y was off, because this new
> navigation would confuse visually impared people, details in
> http://bugs.gnome.org/526802 . Now in gnome3 the condition that
> checked if a11y was 'off' or 'on' is always returning 'on' so the
> enhanced keyboard navigation is lost. The condition is the following:
>
> a11y_is_off = ATK_IS_NO_OP_OBJECT (gtk_widget_get_accessible
> (GTK_WIDGET (nautilus_container)))
>
> so, is this the right way to check if accesibility is activated on a widget?
>
> if that is true, does that mean that a11y is activated by default on
> gnome 3? or is this distro-dependent?.. I'm in fedora 16 right now..
>
>
> Sorry if my questions are obvious I dont know much about a11y I just
> want to fix the nautilus regression[1]..
>
> [1] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=660881
>
> Thank you!
> _______________________________________________
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