Hello Board,

2015-02-02 22:51 GMT+01:00 Andrea Veri <av@gnome.org>= ;:

Deferred:
=C2=A0* Responding to a phone press inquiry asking to reach Stormy Peters =C2=A0 * Comment from Stormy: "There is a press mailing list to deal w= ith press inquiries. And if they are looking for me, they should be able to= find me but you are welcome to point them my way."
=C2=A0 * ACTION: maybe Rosanna can check with the caller to see what he wan= ts and see if we need to get back to him by press contact, or if he really = wanted to reach Stormy in particular?
=C2=A0* Sysadmin sponsorship: should we have a guadec-style sponsors' b= rochure to help with that?
=C2=A0* WHS
=C2=A0* OEM Linux distribution including GNOME - any action required wrt Na= rcis Garcia's email?
=C2=A0* Review action items in kanban board, for completeness and status =C2=A0* ED search

ED search deferred? Again?

Guys, I am sorry to tell, and I hope I don't just speak for myse= lf here, but I can't think of _anything_ more important/urgent than fin= ding a new ED, whatever tasks the board tries to accomplish without the ass= istance of an ED is just going to take longer, and at the end of the day no= t having one is going to harm our relationship with our sponsors and it'= ;s going to remove our ability to find new ones.

If you are working something out = in the background that the members of the foundation are not aware of, plea= se tell, and if you keep deferring it for good reasons, please, state those= reasons.

I'd hate to see ourse= lves in a similar situation than we were when our first ED back in the days= left

Cheers,
Albert= o Ruiz

--001a11c239084f9d18050e45beb7-- From christian@hergert.me Wed Feb 4 16:36:19 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34E40762AE for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2015 16:36:19 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GtLae1l7v7Eq for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2015 16:36:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.hergert.me (mail.hergert.me [37.139.17.153]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A9087626D for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2015 16:36:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.2.43] (unknown [50.250.216.105]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: christian) by mail.hergert.me (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A0BAE4009D for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2015 16:36:03 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <54D24A73.7010604@hergert.me> Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 08:36:03 -0800 From: Christian Hergert User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: foundation-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Minutes of the Board Meeting of January, 23th, 2015 References: <1423067142.2438.0@smtp.googlemail.com> In-Reply-To: <1423067142.2438.0@smtp.googlemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: foundation-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion relating to the GNOME Foundation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 16:36:19 -0000 On 02/04/2015 08:25 AM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > I'm not sure what it rhymes with but that caught my eye as well. The > current name might be more effective. Let's not trivialize this into a discussion of a name. Good luck with the move Marina, Karen, and others. Let me know if I can help with anything. -- Christian From arclnx@gmail.com Wed Feb 4 17:00:55 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EA5F76A61 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2015 17:00:55 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HK_RANDOM_ENVFROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Gqpw23nMxPCM for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2015 17:00:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lb0-f172.google.com (mail-lb0-f172.google.com [209.85.217.172]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C4837626D for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2015 17:00:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f172.google.com with SMTP id l4so2619708lbv.3 for ; Wed, 04 Feb 2015 09:00:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=6mRYbBnUosGKNeuWgtz8DXe3r72ao3BnICXgFWNfB4M=; b=ISkF2gLfGL5xPmCLwDb0q0s30dLrtgo0d6x198UvwHCFCLEV9gXYrSGk+TnIk2S8uH l8t4RdgG0ZvxcSsVb8X/HFZpcUbk36rW99r3ier24yizcGI6JNu8ScbzEPa0LNSU4DnK TFOS83l4TuBOk8mIwq7DGiSND6REgsT3UpXfckpp+xpXvhMSv3B8wCJMhDO+JqhLO6UK 84sL0uLwKTQWg/qNUhhreFXUYGZlZ4dpIgg7dPmra+qq34/9q/3eRCLgdeAhpeMI/vsk jAerHNplTFO4RcdnmndVNN8NdR2j+n21qkqnfFv9cKB8kDsLcrOG0oYl9IQ45q6H2K53 rhWA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.234.230 with SMTP id uh6mr30715656lac.97.1423069240857; Wed, 04 Feb 2015 09:00:40 -0800 (PST) Sender: arclnx@gmail.com Received: by 10.25.214.18 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Feb 2015 09:00:40 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20150202215148.GA5983@gnome.org> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 18:00:40 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: st3nqf_AbWntQleHeOMzKJLebtM Message-ID: Subject: Re: Minutes of the Board Meeting of January, 23th, 2015 From: Alberto Ruiz To: foundation-list Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1133b176979c86050e4620b5 X-BeenThere: foundation-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion relating to the GNOME Foundation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 17:00:55 -0000 --001a1133b176979c86050e4620b5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hello board again, people have poked me stating that perhaps my email can be read harsher than I intended and I kind of agree. To clarify: - I don't think that finding an ED is easy (it's precisely because I think it's extremely hard that I think we should putting a lot of efforts there) - If the board can't handle the task, pleas ask for help, there are plenty of people in the community that hire people in their companies on a regular basis and would be happy to help (myself included, so I'm volunteering, for the record) - I don't think the board is communicating his struggles on this topic well enough, hence my demand for more information (can't help if we can't figure out what's the problem) Sorry if by previous email sent the message that I was assuming the task at hand is easy and that the board does not worry at all, I will try to be more careful and constructive in my wording next time. 2015-02-04 17:33 GMT+01:00 Alberto Ruiz : > Hello Board, > > > 2015-02-02 22:51 GMT+01:00 Andrea Veri : > >> Deferred: >> * Responding to a phone press inquiry asking to reach Stormy Peters >> * Comment from Stormy: "There is a press mailing list to deal with >> press inquiries. And if they are looking for me, they should be able to >> find me but you are welcome to point them my way." >> * ACTION: maybe Rosanna can check with the caller to see what he wants >> and see if we need to get back to him by press contact, or if he really >> wanted to reach Stormy in particular? >> * Sysadmin sponsorship: should we have a guadec-style sponsors' brochure >> to help with that? >> * WHS >> * OEM Linux distribution including GNOME - any action required wrt >> Narcis Garcia's email? >> * Review action items in kanban board, for completeness and status >> * ED search >> >> > ED search deferred? Again? > > Guys, I am sorry to tell, and I hope I don't just speak for myself here, > but I can't think of _anything_ more important/urgent than finding a new > ED, whatever tasks the board tries to accomplish without the assistance of > an ED is just going to take longer, and at the end of the day not having > one is going to harm our relationship with our sponsors and it's going to > remove our ability to find new ones. > > If you are working something out in the background that the members of the > foundation are not aware of, please tell, and if you keep deferring it for > good reasons, please, state those reasons. > > I'd hate to see ourselves in a similar situation than we were when our > first ED back in the days left > > -- > Cheers, > Alberto Ruiz > -- Cheers, Alberto Ruiz --001a1133b176979c86050e4620b5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello board again,
people have= poked me stating that perhaps my email can be read harsher than I intended= and I kind of agree.

To clarify:

- I don't think= that finding an ED is easy (it's precisely because I think it's ex= tremely hard that I think we should putting a lot of efforts there)
- If the board can't handle the task, pleas ask for help, there are p= lenty of people in the community that hire people in their companies on a r= egular basis and would be happy to help (myself included, so I'm volunt= eering, for the record)

- I don't think the board is communica= ting his struggles on this topic well enough, hence my demand for more info= rmation (can't help if we can't figure out what's the problem)<= br>

Sorry if by previous email sent the message that I was assumin= g the task at hand is easy and that the board does not worry at all, I will= try to be more careful and constructive in my wording next time.

2015-02-04 17:33 = GMT+01:00 Alberto Ruiz <aruiz@gnome.org>:

Hello Board,

2015-02-02 22:51 GMT+01:= 00 Andrea Veri <av@gnome.org>:
Deferred:
=C2=A0* Responding to a phone press inquiry asking to reach Stormy Peters =C2=A0 * Comment from Stormy: "There is a press mailing list to deal w= ith press inquiries. And if they are looking for me, they should be able to= find me but you are welcome to point them my way."
=C2=A0 * ACTION: maybe Rosanna can check with the caller to see what he wan= ts and see if we need to get back to him by press contact, or if he really = wanted to reach Stormy in particular?
=C2=A0* Sysadmin sponsorship: should we have a guadec-style sponsors' b= rochure to help with that?
=C2=A0* WHS
=C2=A0* OEM Linux distribution including GNOME - any action required wrt Na= rcis Garcia's email?
=C2=A0* Review action items in kanban board, for completeness and status =C2=A0* ED search

ED search deferred? Again?
<= br>
Guys, I am sorry to tell, and I hope I don't just speak f= or myself here, but I can't think of _anything_ more important/urgent t= han finding a new ED, whatever tasks the board tries to accomplish without = the assistance of an ED is just going to take longer, and at the end of the= day not having one is going to harm our relationship with our sponsors and= it's going to remove our ability to find new ones.

If you are working something= out in the background that the members of the foundation are not aware of,= please tell, and if you keep deferring it for good reasons, please, state = those reasons.

I'd hate to see = ourselves in a similar situation than we were when our first ED back in the= days left
=

--
Cheers,
Alberto Ruiz

Cheers,
Alberto Ruiz

--001a1133b176979c86050e4620b5-- From marinaz@redhat.com Wed Feb 4 17:04:11 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75D69762AE; Wed, 4 Feb 2015 17:04:11 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.912 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.912 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07UQGl3n715O; Wed, 4 Feb 2015 17:04:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mx4-phx2.redhat.com (mx4-phx2.redhat.com [209.132.183.25]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1182B7626D; Wed, 4 Feb 2015 17:03:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from zmail12.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com (zmail12.collab.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.83.14]) by mx4-phx2.redhat.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t14H3wea022694; Wed, 4 Feb 2015 12:03:58 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 12:03:57 -0500 (EST) From: Marina Zhurakhinskaya To: Magdalen Berns Message-ID: <1549931272.6493507.1423069437567.JavaMail.zimbra@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20150202215148.GA5983@gnome.org>

Subject: Re: Minutes of the Board Meeting of January, 23th, 2015 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: [10.5.82.6] X-Mailer: Zimbra 8.0.6_GA_5922 (ZimbraWebClient - FF35 (Linux)/8.0.6_GA_5922) Thread-Topic: Minutes of the Board Meeting of January, 23th, 2015 Thread-Index: Xs5UREAD1DaHbvdrAbcHZGXoZFCrRQ== Cc: Stormy Peters , foundation-announce , GNOME Foundation X-BeenThere: foundation-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion relating to the GNOME Foundation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 17:04:11 -0000 ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Magdalen Berns" > To: "Sriram Ramkrishna" > Cc: "Stormy Peters" , "foundation-announce" , "GNOME Foundation" > > Sent: Wednesday, February 4, 2015 8:53:35 AM > Subject: Re: Minutes of the Board Meeting of January, 23th, 2015 >=20 > Karen, Marina: >=20 > Can you elaborate on your plans for OP? It seems unclear whether you inte= nd > to continue to lean on the infrastructure of larger organisations like GN= OME > or SFC or whether you intend to create a concrete autonomous model for OP= in > the long run and these things are just necessary steps towards that goal. Organizationally, Outreachy will be hosted by Conservancy for the time bein= g. Conservancy is set up to encourage self-governance of the projects it ho= sts to a great degree. Thanks, Marina >=20 > As you are likely aware, there is an awful lot more to consider in organi= sing > project which is focused on engaging and minority groups than logistics, = but > this is especially so now that OP is has begun expanding its reach to > include potentially vulnerable people, too. Personally I would support a > move towards the establishment of OP as an organisation, with a European > base. >=20 > Magdalen >=20 > p.s. Consider what "Outreachy" rhymes with, before finalising this as a n= ame. >=20 > On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 8:20 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna < sri@ramkrishna.me > > wrote: >=20 >=20 > On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Stormy Peters < stormy@gnome.org > wrote: > > Did anything happen with the adboard at FOSDEM? It's very important to = keep > > up relationships with adboard members if we want to continue to depend = on > > them for financial contributions. And you should never pass up a chance= to > > meet with them in person! > >=20 >=20 > I agree completely. It's a lot harder without a executive director > who primarily does this. That said, I did send a note out about > having an adboard meeting possibly during the Conservency dinner. We > generally have enough members do one at FOSDEM. This time we did not > have a quorom unfortunately. >=20 > sri >=20 > > Stormy > >=20 > > On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 2:51 PM, Andrea Veri < av@gnome.org > wrote: > >>=20 > >> =3D Minutes for Friday, January 23th, 2015, 17:00 UTC =3D > >>=20 > >> Next meeting due on February 6th, 2015 at 17:00 UTC > >>=20 > >> =3D=3D Attending =3D=3D > >> * Ekaterina Gerasimova > >> * Rosanna Yuen > >> * Marina Zhurakhinskaya > >> * Jeff Fortin > >> * Andrea Veri > >> * Karen Sandler > >> * Tobias Mueller > >> * Sriram Ramkrishna > >>=20 > >> =3D=3D Regrets =3D=3D > >>=20 > >> =3D=3D Missing =3D=3D > >>=20 > >> =3D=3D Board meeting =3D=3D > >>=20 > >> * Adboard meeting at FOSDEM 2015 > >> * Unfortunately was not organized yet, so possibility of piggybacking > >> on the SFC dinner event with a "GNOME table"? ($40 in advance/euro 40 = at > >> the > >> door per attendee) > >> * People can go on an individual basis, but the general feeling among > >> board members seems to be "we're probably not setting this up as an > >> official > >> event"; maybe just sending an informal invitation email to the adboard > >> list > >> to let them know they can join us there > >> * ACTION: Sri to send an informal invitation mail to the adboard for > >> the event > >>=20 > >> * Next steps for the Outreach Program > >> * Marina sent an e-mail to board-list with all the planned next steps > >> for the OP > >> * This is a follow-up to a discussion we started during the GUADEC 201= 4 > >> board meeting about the growth & requirements for the Outreach Program > >> * GNOME has been a good home to launch and grow the project so far, bu= t > >> the program has somewhat outgrown the capabilities of GNOME. Preparati= ons > >> are being made to create an environment where the OP can grow over tim= e > >> without creating too much burden to the GNOME Foundation (in terms of > >> workload on the Board, Rosanna's time handling the payments and invoic= es) > >> * OP is being renamed to "Outreachy" > >> * OP would be joining the SFC; GNOME would still be providing its > >> infrastructure, for the time of the transition > >> * When this round will end (around March) funds (general OP and travel > >> funds) will have to be transferred from the GNOME Foundation to the SF= C > >> * Obligations (reimbursements etc.) will be then moved to the SFC > >> itself > >> * Rosanna will still be required to help out OP with invoicing / > >> reimbursement till the end of March > >> * Travel allowances will still have to be approved by the Board for > >> this (round that ends in March) and previous rounds > >> * VOTE: The board agrees to move of OP to the SF Conservancy to furthe= r > >> the growth of the program. GNOME will continue to be the infrastructur= e > >> partner for the time being. Details on the transfering of funds and an= y > >> other information and the exact timetable will be established in due > >> course, > >> upon consulation with counsel. > >> * The GNOME Foundation would not be bound by the contract of the SFC. > >> The primary reason for this vote is that SFC wants to make sure that > >> "GNOME > >> is okay with this move" > >> * +1 from Jeff, Tobi, Sri, Kat, Andrea - Karen & Marina abstain > >> * ACTION: Karen & Marina should provide a more detailed plan as things > >> are being figured out (timeframe, next steps) > >>=20 > >> * 500$ materials sponsorship request for GNOME Peru Fest 2015 > >> * VOTE: approve the 500$ materials sponsorship: +1 unanimous > >>=20 > >> * Next board meeting: our backlog is huge. We could have an extra meet= ing > >> right after FOSDEM, intsead of waiting 2 weeks. > >> * ACTION: Tobi/Sri to evaluate the situation while at FOSDEM and > >> request an extra meeting if needed > >>=20 > >> Deferred: > >> * Responding to a phone press inquiry asking to reach Stormy Peters > >> * Comment from Stormy: "There is a press mailing list to deal with pre= ss > >> inquiries. And if they are looking for me, they should be able to find= me > >> but you are welcome to point them my way." > >> * ACTION: maybe Rosanna can check with the caller to see what he wants > >> and see if we need to get back to him by press contact, or if he reall= y > >> wanted to reach Stormy in particular? > >> * Sysadmin sponsorship: should we have a guadec-style sponsors' brochu= re > >> to help with that? > >> * WHS > >> * OEM Linux distribution including GNOME - any action required wrt Nar= cis > >> Garcia's email? > >> * Review action items in kanban board, for completeness and status > >> * ED search > >>=20 > >> * Deferred until further mailing list discussion occurs from other boa= rd > >> members (or missing info): > >> * Reviewing and harmonizing our logos & trademark guidelines wrt =C2= =AE, =E2=84=A2, > >> etc. > >> * Discuss plans for reviewing salaries/hourly rates of > >> employees/contractors > >> * Trademark defense campaign has ended and been a success: start > >> evaluating the use of funds to wrap up the matter and to make GNOME be= tter > >> * GNOME Privacy project: what to do with the gathered funds? (hackfest= ? > >> internships? more ideas?) > >> * NDA for sysadmins (for the privacy policy) > >>=20 > >> =3D=3D Discussed on the mailing list =3D=3D > >> * Midpoint payments to Outreach interns > >>=20 > >> =3D=3D Completed Actions =3D=3D > >> * Edward Swartz's "philantropist donation": Sri to email him to thank, > >> say we're getting a gift together, ask about reasons motivating his gr= eat > >> donation, maybe offer an interview? And verify his mailing address. > >>=20 > >> =3D=3D Pending action items =3D=3D > >> * GNOME's CoC: Board to follow up in the upcoming meetings and prepare= a > >> version of the CoC to be finally considered final over all the GNOME > >> yearly > >> events > >> * Kat to create a private wiki page on the web services accounts holde= rs > >> and passwords > >> * Allan and Kat decided to go for a private git account instead for > >> security reasons > >> * Kat to draft a proposal for a privacy policy for review > >> * Kat to draft a contract template for future use organizations for wh= ich > >> we handle money > >> * Karen to write the Privacy policy for GNOME services > >> * Karen will look at gnome-software privacy issues from a legal > >> standpoint > >> * Karen to draft a proposal for the photography policy at GNOME > >> conferences to discuss on foundation-list > >> * Tobi to continue pursuing the fund collection in Europe > >> * Tobi to talk to Andrea to move the PayPal data extraction scripts ov= er > >> to the GNOME infrastructure > >> * Sri to investigate better uses of adsense/adwords on the GNOME websi= tes > >> * Sri to communicate to Rosanna and work on the donation for the West > >> Coast hackfest > >> * Sri, Marina, Kat to work on establishing criteria for drafting for t= he > >> hiring committee for the ED role > >> * Sri to investigate the GNOME gifts situation > >>=20 > >>=20 > >> -- > >>=20 > >> Cheers, > >>=20 > >> Andrea > >>=20 > >> Debian Developer, > >> Fedora / EPEL packager, > >> GNOME Sysadmin Team Coordinator, > >> GNOME Foundation Membership & Elections Committee Chairman > >>=20 > >> Homepage: http://www.gnome.org/~av > >>=20 > >> _______________________________________________ > >> foundation-announce mailing list > >> foundation-announce@gnome.org > >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-announce > >>=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > _______________________________________________ > > foundation-list mailing list > > foundation-list@gnome.org > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list > >=20 > _______________________________________________ > foundation-list mailing list > foundation-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > foundation-list mailing list > foundation-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list >=20 From luis.villa@gmail.com Wed Feb 4 17:11:05 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C928D76A29; 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charset=UTF-8 On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 9:00 AM, Alberto Ruiz wrote: > - I don't think that finding an ED is easy (it's precisely because I think > it's extremely hard that I think we should putting a lot of efforts there) +1 to this. Having been involved in the last two ED hires, it's not easy. But the earlier the process starts the better. Luis --001a11c3234c02499d050e4645de Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 9:00 AM,= Alberto Ruiz <aruiz@gnome.org> wrote:

- I don't think that finding an E= D is easy (it's precisely because I think it's extremely hard that = I think we should putting a lot of efforts there)

+1 to this. Having been involved in the last = two ED hires, it's not easy. But the earlier the process starts the bet= ter.

Luis

--001a11c3234c02499d050e4645de-- From hougaard.junior@gmail.com Wed Feb 4 17:50:31 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E13976A86 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2015 17:50:31 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rYr9tLPfM7rk for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2015 17:50:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lb0-f175.google.com (mail-lb0-f175.google.com [209.85.217.175]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A414976A29 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2015 17:50:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f175.google.com with SMTP id 10so1947699lbg.6 for ; Wed, 04 Feb 2015 09:50:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:subject:to:cc:message-id:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-type; bh=Qai7YhrZDATDkiJE3d8wN7ketWJmDX+CjyysTZSh2Os=; b=bG/7zM4PYS6FCM7xPG1tOaBxWh6W952v23R0sA6fZzFzvNHKywyoD3MQ+Zm3T+bl7t reJ1D1T9S29djBW8RXr6G7rpwT4fFqyKc/HbYcdTMaxPtaUSA9uL8/ia7Kt4/6J0xAVf oagR4I3+86srRnQS/ywuSzAzSDmu0k2/zdoZkQpmCYJKiP8ZtVnXVT9CV5g6nzOYI76m ZTuK8hpbO6pvdTrba7gyBp7E6b+d/PTQGHxuSMBCO1sj69ZGaPc83E3yrUFBBIrLHeDP AqHG4EVA5uoV6bn3xi7tdqd6qvrrVomYVokKQIexLFz5ieQ/1cT9caVJhAgACi6B7z3R a+Sg== X-Received: by 10.152.6.101 with SMTP id z5mr32128306laz.19.1423072216249; Wed, 04 Feb 2015 09:50:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.4.202.84] ([130.226.213.242]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id x1sm486716lby.26.2015.02.04.09.50.14 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 04 Feb 2015 09:50:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 18:50:12 +0100 From: Bastian Subject: Re: GNOME support for fixmydocument.eu To: Tobias Mueller Message-Id: <1423072212.1156.0@smtp.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20150204132254.GR4822@cryptobitch.de> References: <20150204105141.GB13447@bkor.dhs.org> <20150204132254.GR4822@cryptobitch.de> X-Mailer: geary/0.8.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-LdtiulpSYyFB0UvhhO/K" Cc: foundation-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: foundation-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion relating to the GNOME Foundation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 17:50:31 -0000 --=-LdtiulpSYyFB0UvhhO/K Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 2:22 , Tobias Mueller wrote: > Good idea. Does anybody feel like writing a short statement? How about: "GNOME is committed to using open specifications like the Open Document Format. Because the format is open, several applications and technologies under the GNOME umbrella can interact with documents, spreadsheets, slideshows and more. Open standards enables GNOME to provide a better user experience to the world." - https://etherpad.gnome.org/p/fixmydocument (please revise, if needed) -Bastian --=-LdtiulpSYyFB0UvhhO/K Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 2:22 , Tobias Mueller <muelli@cryptobitch.de> wrote:

Good idea. Does anybody feel like writing a short statement?

How about:

"GNOME is committed to using open specifications like the Open Document Format. Because the format is open, several applications and technologies under the GNOME umbrella can interact with documents, spreadsheets, slideshows and more. Open standards enables GNOME to provide a better user experience to the world."

- https://etherpad.gnome.org/p/fixmydocument

(please revise, if needed)

-Bastian

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[83.236.241.242]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id u7sm5119400wiy.18.2015.02.04.14.42.51 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 04 Feb 2015 14:42:59 -0800 (PST) Sender: Dave Neary Message-ID: <54D2A063.2080804@gnome.org> Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 23:42:43 +0100 From: Dave Neary User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: foundation-list@gnome.org, foundation-announce@gnome.org Subject: Re: Minutes of the Board Meeting of January, 23th, 2015 References: <20150202215148.GA5983@gnome.org> In-Reply-To: <20150202215148.GA5983@gnome.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: foundation-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion relating to the GNOME Foundation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 22:43:15 -0000 Hi, No comment on the minutes beyond what others have already asked about - I just wanted to say that it warms my heart to see people reading board minutes and offering suggestions, asking questions and proposing their help on items in the minutes. This is a vindication of publishing the minutes early after the meeting, and shows what a great community GNOME has. Regards, Dave. On 02/02/2015 10:51 PM, Andrea Veri wrote: > = Minutes for Friday, January 23th, 2015, 17:00 UTC = > > Next meeting due on February 6th, 2015 at 17:00 UTC > > == Attending == > * Ekaterina Gerasimova > * Rosanna Yuen > * Marina Zhurakhinskaya > * Jeff Fortin > * Andrea Veri > * Karen Sandler > * Tobias Mueller > * Sriram Ramkrishna > > == Regrets == > > == Missing == > > == Board meeting == > > * Adboard meeting at FOSDEM 2015 > * Unfortunately was not organized yet, so possibility of piggybacking on the SFC dinner event with a "GNOME table"? ($40 in advance/euro 40 at the door per attendee) > * People can go on an individual basis, but the general feeling among board members seems to be "we're probably not setting this up as an official event"; maybe just sending an informal invitation email to the adboard list to let them know they can join us there > * ACTION: Sri to send an informal invitation mail to the adboard for the event > > * Next steps for the Outreach Program > * Marina sent an e-mail to board-list with all the planned next steps for the OP > * This is a follow-up to a discussion we started during the GUADEC 2014 board meeting about the growth & requirements for the Outreach Program > * GNOME has been a good home to launch and grow the project so far, but the program has somewhat outgrown the capabilities of GNOME. Preparations are being made to create an environment where the OP can grow over time without creating too much burden to the GNOME Foundation (in terms of workload on the Board, Rosanna's time handling the payments and invoices) > * OP is being renamed to "Outreachy" > * OP would be joining the SFC; GNOME would still be providing its infrastructure, for the time of the transition > * When this round will end (around March) funds (general OP and travel funds) will have to be transferred from the GNOME Foundation to the SFC > * Obligations (reimbursements etc.) will be then moved to the SFC itself > * Rosanna will still be required to help out OP with invoicing / reimbursement till the end of March > * Travel allowances will still have to be approved by the Board for this (round that ends in March) and previous rounds > * VOTE: The board agrees to move of OP to the SF Conservancy to further the growth of the program. GNOME will continue to be the infrastructure partner for the time being. Details on the transfering of funds and any other information and the exact timetable will be established in due course, upon consulation with counsel. > * The GNOME Foundation would not be bound by the contract of the SFC. The primary reason for this vote is that SFC wants to make sure that "GNOME is okay with this move" > * +1 from Jeff, Tobi, Sri, Kat, Andrea - Karen & Marina abstain > * ACTION: Karen & Marina should provide a more detailed plan as things are being figured out (timeframe, next steps) > > * 500$ materials sponsorship request for GNOME Peru Fest 2015 > * VOTE: approve the 500$ materials sponsorship: +1 unanimous > > * Next board meeting: our backlog is huge. We could have an extra meeting right after FOSDEM, intsead of waiting 2 weeks. > * ACTION: Tobi/Sri to evaluate the situation while at FOSDEM and request an extra meeting if needed > > Deferred: > * Responding to a phone press inquiry asking to reach Stormy Peters > * Comment from Stormy: "There is a press mailing list to deal with press inquiries. And if they are looking for me, they should be able to find me but you are welcome to point them my way." > * ACTION: maybe Rosanna can check with the caller to see what he wants and see if we need to get back to him by press contact, or if he really wanted to reach Stormy in particular? > * Sysadmin sponsorship: should we have a guadec-style sponsors' brochure to help with that? > * WHS > * OEM Linux distribution including GNOME - any action required wrt Narcis Garcia's email? > * Review action items in kanban board, for completeness and status > * ED search > > * Deferred until further mailing list discussion occurs from other board members (or missing info): > * Reviewing and harmonizing our logos & trademark guidelines wrt �, �, etc. > * Discuss plans for reviewing salaries/hourly rates of employees/contractors > * Trademark defense campaign has ended and been a success: start evaluating the use of funds to wrap up the matter and to make GNOME better > * GNOME Privacy project: what to do with the gathered funds? (hackfest? internships? more ideas?) > * NDA for sysadmins (for the privacy policy) > > == Discussed on the mailing list == > * Midpoint payments to Outreach interns > > == Completed Actions == > * Edward Swartz's "philantropist donation": Sri to email him to thank, say we're getting a gift together, ask about reasons motivating his great donation, maybe offer an interview? And verify his mailing address. > > == Pending action items == > * GNOME's CoC: Board to follow up in the upcoming meetings and prepare a version of the CoC to be finally considered final over all the GNOME yearly events > * Kat to create a private wiki page on the web services accounts holders and passwords > * Allan and Kat decided to go for a private git account instead for security reasons > * Kat to draft a proposal for a privacy policy for review > * Kat to draft a contract template for future use organizations for which we handle money > * Karen to write the Privacy policy for GNOME services > * Karen will look at gnome-software privacy issues from a legal standpoint > * Karen to draft a proposal for the photography policy at GNOME conferences to discuss on foundation-list > * Tobi to continue pursuing the fund collection in Europe > * Tobi to talk to Andrea to move the PayPal data extraction scripts over to the GNOME infrastructure > * Sri to investigate better uses of adsense/adwords on the GNOME websites > * Sri to communicate to Rosanna and work on the donation for the West Coast hackfest > * Sri, Marina, Kat to work on establishing criteria for drafting for the hiring committee for the ED role > * Sri to investigate the GNOME gifts situation > > > > > _______________________________________________ > foundation-announce mailing list > foundation-announce@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-announce > -- Dave Neary, Boston, MA, USA Email: dneary@gnome.org Jabber: nearyd@gmail.com From m.berns@thismagpie.com Wed Feb 4 23:32:23 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B70D769D2 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2015 23:32:23 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tAacLL8Uuvn5 for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2015 23:32:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yk0-f179.google.com (mail-yk0-f179.google.com [209.85.160.179]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 044BC7626D for ; Wed, 4 Feb 2015 23:32:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yk0-f179.google.com with SMTP id 142so1929319ykq.10 for ; Wed, 04 Feb 2015 15:32:09 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=eJA2bclkJIjcGYf2g4wy/aRAudoVcpAHM9/FyJfLNyU=; b=hIcn1XHwbgfRADYV/IfVd6gbIUvizmqr2299Vy6v0Mrogmv6XgLP/7cryMe2hoyszX TmFPcRuAN3agmAuD+LSAmYP4MGXkGOfnUZYCv0L/lC0+GV4IANUyO2HW8Na1u94v6kS2 t8+XFdngB7H1UQeGOwzsq4O0ANqO3GdSSc5PcCsXtICjCJS8BVAl8/bYfUFGkFOZAm8O Khz0x0Muo3lBqfIbw2VmqL4pTzDCLQyy1Dq34Vau8Um6ocqCWSIQqPKcDRMbwTvZ5FFN N63J1i9TrMO1EQOELfEzRR+tfu6wxI3+46KdB/EFhFaeG3zDuP4R/TproKzjW0gPU/cs DrCg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnkAaNtjD8ExeUxrhfXJylsnHX3VXUVQr0sC7/WL1hSDQDF2drN6kZOXIflsxzphrfYpXZc MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.236.19.100 with SMTP id m64mr172557yhm.11.1423092729460; Wed, 04 Feb 2015 15:32:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.170.71.69 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Feb 2015 15:32:09 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [82.43.96.190] In-Reply-To: <54D24A73.7010604@hergert.me> References: <1423067142.2438.0@smtp.googlemail.com> <54D24A73.7010604@hergert.me> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 23:32:09 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Minutes of the Board Meeting of January, 23th, 2015 From: Magdalen Berns To: Christian Hergert Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ff1cd349f5226050e4b9842 Cc: GNOME Foundation X-BeenThere: foundation-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion relating to the GNOME Foundation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 23:32:23 -0000 --e89a8ff1cd349f5226050e4b9842 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > On 02/04/2015 08:25 AM, Michael Catanzaro wrote: > > I'm not sure what it rhymes with but that caught my eye as well. The > > current name might be more effective. > > Let's not trivialize this into a discussion of a name. > Likewise: that was obviously a p.s., not the main context I was concerned with... --e89a8ff1cd349f5226050e4b9842 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On 02/04/2015 08:25 AM, Michael Catanzaro= wrote:
> I'm not sure what it rhymes with but that caught my eye as well. T= he
> current name might be more effective.

Let's not trivialize this into a discussion of a name.

=C2=A0Likewise: that was obviously a p.s., not t= he main context I was concerned with...

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<1549931272.6493507.1423069437567.JavaMail.zimbra@redhat.com> Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 23:41:12 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Minutes of the Board Meeting of January, 23th, 2015 From: Magdalen Berns To: Marina Zhurakhinskaya Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1139d55af77a2c050e4bb8f0 Cc: Stormy Peters , foundation-announce , GNOME Foundation X-BeenThere: foundation-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion relating to the GNOME Foundation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2015 23:41:31 -0000 --001a1139d55af77a2c050e4bb8f0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > Karen, Marina: > > > > Can you elaborate on your plans for OP? It seems unclear whether you > intend > > to continue to lean on the infrastructure of larger organisations like > GNOME > > or SFC or whether you intend to create a concrete autonomous model for > OP in > > the long run and these things are just necessary steps towards that goa= l. > > Organizationally, Outreachy will be hosted by Conservancy for the time > being. Conservancy is set up to encourage self-governance of the projects > it hosts to a great degree. > What I am wondering is whether the long term goal for this project is autonomy, or if this is the set-up which is most likely to meet all the demands of the project. Magdalen > > > > > As you are likely aware, there is an awful lot more to consider in > organising > > project which is focused on engaging and minority groups than logistics= , > but > > this is especially so now that OP is has begun expanding its reach to > > include potentially vulnerable people, too. Personally I would support = a > > move towards the establishment of OP as an organisation, with a Europea= n > > base. > > > > Magdalen > > > > p.s. Consider what "Outreachy" rhymes with, before finalising this as a > name. > > > > On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 8:20 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna < sri@ramkrishna.me > > > wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Stormy Peters < stormy@gnome.org > > wrote: > > > Did anything happen with the adboard at FOSDEM? It's very important t= o > keep > > > up relationships with adboard members if we want to continue to depen= d > on > > > them for financial contributions. And you should never pass up a > chance to > > > meet with them in person! > > > > > > > I agree completely. It's a lot harder without a executive director > > who primarily does this. That said, I did send a note out about > > having an adboard meeting possibly during the Conservency dinner. We > > generally have enough members do one at FOSDEM. This time we did not > > have a quorom unfortunately. > > > > sri > > > > > Stormy > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 2:51 PM, Andrea Veri < av@gnome.org > wrote: > > >> > > >> =3D Minutes for Friday, January 23th, 2015, 17:00 UTC =3D > > >> > > >> Next meeting due on February 6th, 2015 at 17:00 UTC > > >> > > >> =3D=3D Attending =3D=3D > > >> * Ekaterina Gerasimova > > >> * Rosanna Yuen > > >> * Marina Zhurakhinskaya > > >> * Jeff Fortin > > >> * Andrea Veri > > >> * Karen Sandler > > >> * Tobias Mueller > > >> * Sriram Ramkrishna > > >> > > >> =3D=3D Regrets =3D=3D > > >> > > >> =3D=3D Missing =3D=3D > > >> > > >> =3D=3D Board meeting =3D=3D > > >> > > >> * Adboard meeting at FOSDEM 2015 > > >> * Unfortunately was not organized yet, so possibility of piggybackin= g > > >> on the SFC dinner event with a "GNOME table"? ($40 in advance/euro 4= 0 > at > > >> the > > >> door per attendee) > > >> * People can go on an individual basis, but the general feeling amon= g > > >> board members seems to be "we're probably not setting this up as an > > >> official > > >> event"; maybe just sending an informal invitation email to the adboa= rd > > >> list > > >> to let them know they can join us there > > >> * ACTION: Sri to send an informal invitation mail to the adboard for > > >> the event > > >> > > >> * Next steps for the Outreach Program > > >> * Marina sent an e-mail to board-list with all the planned next step= s > > >> for the OP > > >> * This is a follow-up to a discussion we started during the GUADEC > 2014 > > >> board meeting about the growth & requirements for the Outreach Progr= am > > >> * GNOME has been a good home to launch and grow the project so far, > but > > >> the program has somewhat outgrown the capabilities of GNOME. > Preparations > > >> are being made to create an environment where the OP can grow over > time > > >> without creating too much burden to the GNOME Foundation (in terms o= f > > >> workload on the Board, Rosanna's time handling the payments and > invoices) > > >> * OP is being renamed to "Outreachy" > > >> * OP would be joining the SFC; GNOME would still be providing its > > >> infrastructure, for the time of the transition > > >> * When this round will end (around March) funds (general OP and trav= el > > >> funds) will have to be transferred from the GNOME Foundation to the > SFC > > >> * Obligations (reimbursements etc.) will be then moved to the SFC > > >> itself > > >> * Rosanna will still be required to help out OP with invoicing / > > >> reimbursement till the end of March > > >> * Travel allowances will still have to be approved by the Board for > > >> this (round that ends in March) and previous rounds > > >> * VOTE: The board agrees to move of OP to the SF Conservancy to > further > > >> the growth of the program. GNOME will continue to be the > infrastructure > > >> partner for the time being. Details on the transfering of funds and > any > > >> other information and the exact timetable will be established in due > > >> course, > > >> upon consulation with counsel. > > >> * The GNOME Foundation would not be bound by the contract of the SFC= . > > >> The primary reason for this vote is that SFC wants to make sure that > > >> "GNOME > > >> is okay with this move" > > >> * +1 from Jeff, Tobi, Sri, Kat, Andrea - Karen & Marina abstain > > >> * ACTION: Karen & Marina should provide a more detailed plan as thin= gs > > >> are being figured out (timeframe, next steps) > > >> > > >> * 500$ materials sponsorship request for GNOME Peru Fest 2015 > > >> * VOTE: approve the 500$ materials sponsorship: +1 unanimous > > >> > > >> * Next board meeting: our backlog is huge. We could have an extra > meeting > > >> right after FOSDEM, intsead of waiting 2 weeks. > > >> * ACTION: Tobi/Sri to evaluate the situation while at FOSDEM and > > >> request an extra meeting if needed > > >> > > >> Deferred: > > >> * Responding to a phone press inquiry asking to reach Stormy Peters > > >> * Comment from Stormy: "There is a press mailing list to deal with > press > > >> inquiries. And if they are looking for me, they should be able to > find me > > >> but you are welcome to point them my way." > > >> * ACTION: maybe Rosanna can check with the caller to see what he wan= ts > > >> and see if we need to get back to him by press contact, or if he > really > > >> wanted to reach Stormy in particular? > > >> * Sysadmin sponsorship: should we have a guadec-style sponsors' > brochure > > >> to help with that? > > >> * WHS > > >> * OEM Linux distribution including GNOME - any action required wrt > Narcis > > >> Garcia's email? > > >> * Review action items in kanban board, for completeness and status > > >> * ED search > > >> > > >> * Deferred until further mailing list discussion occurs from other > board > > >> members (or missing info): > > >> * Reviewing and harmonizing our logos & trademark guidelines wrt =C2= =AE, =E2=84=A2, > > >> etc. > > >> * Discuss plans for reviewing salaries/hourly rates of > > >> employees/contractors > > >> * Trademark defense campaign has ended and been a success: start > > >> evaluating the use of funds to wrap up the matter and to make GNOME > better > > >> * GNOME Privacy project: what to do with the gathered funds? > (hackfest? > > >> internships? more ideas?) > > >> * NDA for sysadmins (for the privacy policy) > > >> > > >> =3D=3D Discussed on the mailing list =3D=3D > > >> * Midpoint payments to Outreach interns > > >> > > >> =3D=3D Completed Actions =3D=3D > > >> * Edward Swartz's "philantropist donation": Sri to email him to than= k, > > >> say we're getting a gift together, ask about reasons motivating his > great > > >> donation, maybe offer an interview? And verify his mailing address. > > >> > > >> =3D=3D Pending action items =3D=3D > > >> * GNOME's CoC: Board to follow up in the upcoming meetings and > prepare a > > >> version of the CoC to be finally considered final over all the GNOME > > >> yearly > > >> events > > >> * Kat to create a private wiki page on the web services accounts > holders > > >> and passwords > > >> * Allan and Kat decided to go for a private git account instead for > > >> security reasons > > >> * Kat to draft a proposal for a privacy policy for review > > >> * Kat to draft a contract template for future use organizations for > which > > >> we handle money > > >> * Karen to write the Privacy policy for GNOME services > > >> * Karen will look at gnome-software privacy issues from a legal > > >> standpoint > > >> * Karen to draft a proposal for the photography policy at GNOME > > >> conferences to discuss on foundation-list > > >> * Tobi to continue pursuing the fund collection in Europe > > >> * Tobi to talk to Andrea to move the PayPal data extraction scripts > over > > >> to the GNOME infrastructure > > >> * Sri to investigate better uses of adsense/adwords on the GNOME > websites > > >> * Sri to communicate to Rosanna and work on the donation for the Wes= t > > >> Coast hackfest > > >> * Sri, Marina, Kat to work on establishing criteria for drafting for > the > > >> hiring committee for the ED role > > >> * Sri to investigate the GNOME gifts situation > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> > > >> Cheers, > > >> > > >> Andrea > > >> > > >> Debian Developer, > > >> Fedora / EPEL packager, > > >> GNOME Sysadmin Team Coordinator, > > >> GNOME Foundation Membership & Elections Committee Chairman > > >> > > >> Homepage: http://www.gnome.org/~av > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> foundation-announce mailing list > > >> foundation-announce@gnome.org > > >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-announce > > >> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > foundation-list mailing list > > > foundation-list@gnome.org > > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > foundation-list mailing list > > foundation-list@gnome.org > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > foundation-list mailing list > > foundation-list@gnome.org > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list > > > --001a1139d55af77a2c050e4bb8f0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

> Karen, Marina:
>
> Can you elaborate on your plans for OP? It seems unclear whether you i= ntend
> to continue to lean on the infrastructure of larger organisations like= GNOME
> or SFC or whether you intend to create a concrete autonomous model for= OP in
> the long run and these things are just necessary steps towards that go= al.

Organizationally, Outreachy will be hosted by Conservancy for the ti= me being. Conservancy is set up to encourage self-governance of the project= s it hosts to a great degree.

What I am= wondering is whether the long term goal for this project is autonomy, or i= f this is the set-up which is most likely to meet all the demands of the pr= oject.

Magdalen

>
> As you are likely aware, there is an awful lot more to consider in org= anising
> project which is focused on engaging and minority groups than logistic= s, but
> this is especially so now that OP is has begun expanding its reach to<= br> > include potentially vulnerable people, too. Personally I would support= a
> move towards the establishment of OP as an organisation, with a Europe= an
> base.
>
> Magdalen
>
> p.s. Consider what "Outreachy" rhymes with, before finalisin= g this as a name.
>
> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 8:20 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna < sri@ramkrishna.me >
> wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 9:01 AM, Stormy Peters < stormy@gnome.org > wrote:
> > Did anything happen with the adboard at FOSDEM? It's very imp= ortant to keep
> > up relationships with adboard members if we want to continue to d= epend on
> > them for financial contributions. And you should never pass up a = chance to
> > meet with them in person!
> >
>
> I agree completely. It's a lot harder without a executive director=
> who primarily does this. That said, I did send a note out about
> having an adboard meeting possibly during the Conservency dinner. We > generally have enough members do one at FOSDEM. This time we did not > have a quorom unfortunately.
>
> sri
>
> > Stormy
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 2:51 PM, Andrea Veri < av@gnome.org > wrote:
> >>
> >> =3D Minutes for Friday, January 23th, 2015, 17:00 UTC =3D
> >>
> >> Next meeting due on February 6th, 2015 at 17:00 UTC
> >>
> >> =3D=3D Attending =3D=3D
> >> * Ekaterina Gerasimova
> >> * Rosanna Yuen
> >> * Marina Zhurakhinskaya
> >> * Jeff Fortin
> >> * Andrea Veri
> >> * Karen Sandler
> >> * Tobias Mueller
> >> * Sriram Ramkrishna
> >>
> >> =3D=3D Regrets =3D=3D
> >>
> >> =3D=3D Missing =3D=3D
> >>
> >> =3D=3D Board meeting =3D=3D
> >>
> >> * Adboard meeting at FOSDEM 2015
> >> * Unfortunately was not organized yet, so possibility of pigg= ybacking
> >> on the SFC dinner event with a "GNOME table"? ($40 = in advance/euro 40 at
> >> the
> >> door per attendee)
> >> * People can go on an individual basis, but the general feeli= ng among
> >> board members seems to be "we're probably not settin= g this up as an
> >> official
> >> event"; maybe just sending an informal invitation email = to the adboard
> >> list
> >> to let them know they can join us there
> >> * ACTION: Sri to send an informal invitation mail to the adbo= ard for
> >> the event
> >>
> >> * Next steps for the Outreach Program
> >> * Marina sent an e-mail to board-list with all the planned ne= xt steps
> >> for the OP
> >> * This is a follow-up to a discussion we started during the G= UADEC 2014
> >> board meeting about the growth & requirements for the Out= reach Program
> >> * GNOME has been a good home to launch and grow the project s= o far, but
> >> the program has somewhat outgrown the capabilities of GNOME. = Preparations
> >> are being made to create an environment where the OP can grow= over time
> >> without creating too much burden to the GNOME Foundation (in = terms of
> >> workload on the Board, Rosanna's time handling the paymen= ts and invoices)
> >> * OP is being renamed to "Outreachy"
> >> * OP would be joining the SFC; GNOME would still be providing= its
> >> infrastructure, for the time of the transition
> >> * When this round will end (around March) funds (general OP a= nd travel
> >> funds) will have to be transferred from the GNOME Foundation = to the SFC
> >> * Obligations (reimbursements etc.) will be then moved to the= SFC
> >> itself
> >> * Rosanna will still be required to help out OP with invoicin= g /
> >> reimbursement till the end of March
> >> * Travel allowances will still have to be approved by the Boa= rd for
> >> this (round that ends in March) and previous rounds
> >> * VOTE: The board agrees to move of OP to the SF Conservancy = to further
> >> the growth of the program. GNOME will continue to be the infr= astructure
> >> partner for the time being. Details on the transfering of fun= ds and any
> >> other information and the exact timetable will be established= in due
> >> course,
> >> upon consulation with counsel.
> >> * The GNOME Foundation would not be bound by the contract of = the SFC.
> >> The primary reason for this vote is that SFC wants to make su= re that
> >> "GNOME
> >> is okay with this move"
> >> * +1 from Jeff, Tobi, Sri, Kat, Andrea - Karen & Marina a= bstain
> >> * ACTION: Karen & Marina should provide a more detailed p= lan as things
> >> are being figured out (timeframe, next steps)
> >>
> >> * 500$ materials sponsorship request for GNOME Peru Fest 2015=
> >> * VOTE: approve the 500$ materials sponsorship: +1 unanimous<= br> > >>
> >> * Next board meeting: our backlog is huge. We could have an e= xtra meeting
> >> right after FOSDEM, intsead of waiting 2 weeks.
> >> * ACTION: Tobi/Sri to evaluate the situation while at FOSDEM = and
> >> request an extra meeting if needed
> >>
> >> Deferred:
> >> * Responding to a phone press inquiry asking to reach Stormy = Peters
> >> * Comment from Stormy: "There is a press mailing list to= deal with press
> >> inquiries. And if they are looking for me, they should be abl= e to find me
> >> but you are welcome to point them my way."
> >> * ACTION: maybe Rosanna can check with the caller to see what= he wants
> >> and see if we need to get back to him by press contact, or if= he really
> >> wanted to reach Stormy in particular?
> >> * Sysadmin sponsorship: should we have a guadec-style sponsor= s' brochure
> >> to help with that?
> >> * WHS
> >> * OEM Linux distribution including GNOME - any action require= d wrt Narcis
> >> Garcia's email?
> >> * Review action items in kanban board, for completeness and s= tatus
> >> * ED search
> >>
> >> * Deferred until further mailing list discussion occurs from = other board
> >> members (or missing info):
> >> * Reviewing and harmonizing our logos & trademark guideli= nes wrt =C2=AE, =E2=84=A2,
> >> etc.
> >> * Discuss plans for reviewing salaries/hourly rates of
> >> employees/contractors
> >> * Trademark defense campaign has ended and been a success: st= art
> >> evaluating the use of funds to wrap up the matter and to make= GNOME better
> >> * GNOME Privacy project: what to do with the gathered funds? = (hackfest?
> >> internships? more ideas?)
> >> * NDA for sysadmins (for the privacy policy)
> >>
> >> =3D=3D Discussed on the mailing list =3D=3D
> >> * Midpoint payments to Outreach interns
> >>
> >> =3D=3D Completed Actions =3D=3D
> >> * Edward Swartz's "philantropist donation": Sri= to email him to thank,
> >> say we're getting a gift together, ask about reasons moti= vating his great
> >> donation, maybe offer an interview? And verify his mailing ad= dress.
> >>
> >> =3D=3D Pending action items =3D=3D
> >> * GNOME's CoC: Board to follow up in the upcoming meeting= s and prepare a
> >> version of the CoC to be finally considered final over all th= e GNOME
> >> yearly
> >> events
> >> * Kat to create a private wiki page on the web services accou= nts holders
> >> and passwords
> >> * Allan and Kat decided to go for a private git account inste= ad for
> >> security reasons
> >> * Kat to draft a proposal for a privacy policy for review
> >> * Kat to draft a contract template for future use organizatio= ns for which
> >> we handle money
> >> * Karen to write the Privacy policy for GNOME services
> >> * Karen will look at gnome-software privacy issues from a leg= al
> >> standpoint
> >> * Karen to draft a proposal for the photography policy at GNO= ME
> >> conferences to discuss on foundation-list
> >> * Tobi to continue pursuing the fund collection in Europe
> >> * Tobi to talk to Andrea to move the PayPal data extraction s= cripts over
> >> to the GNOME infrastructure
> >> * Sri to investigate better uses of adsense/adwords on the GN= OME websites
> >> * Sri to communicate to Rosanna and work on the donation for = the West
> >> Coast hackfest
> >> * Sri, Marina, Kat to work on establishing criteria for draft= ing for the
> >> hiring committee for the ED role
> >> * Sri to investigate the GNOME gifts situation
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Andrea
> >>
> >> Debian Developer,
> >> Fedora / EPEL packager,
> >> GNOME Sysadmin Team Coordinator,
> >> GNOME Foundation Membership & Elections Committee Chairma= n
> >>
> >> Homepage: http://www.gnome.org/~av
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> foundation-announce mailing list
> >> foundation-a= nnounce@gnome.org
> >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/founda= tion-announce
> >>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > foundation-list@gnom= e.org
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> >
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--001a1139d55af77a2c050e4bb8f0-- From sri@ramkrishna.me Thu Feb 5 00:39:59 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 604F87626D for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2015 00:39:59 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=unavailable Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H8_EbMKjJZuq for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2015 00:39:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-la0-f41.google.com (mail-la0-f41.google.com [209.85.215.41]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B057B7695F for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2015 00:39:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-la0-f41.google.com with SMTP id gm9so4678628lab.0 for ; Wed, 04 Feb 2015 16:39:44 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=SB8kLRSQmytKEM/JRGRNNiv8jFRoeKAzjqA6j1+GyyQ=; b=QjUHDelYAsNHMqO5kc9n3l33G3bVHBFAZ+SydiWkr+i19kUdBvICgSPX3tivlt1p// x/xskLY0FgULlau7EORdRpl5nN/g/7/A1HUJnZzWWQXNFrV/hASu/c6jabVLJPUNaCIc OxeWkHwdj/90G24E54dgJjT5dSCisgm06SIIX41CRzVK4SDMNuh2l7cNG7ZovpjoCpzY vUU3NxakUV3vylPky5eMqj8m7NbuzOBf2lTCuYZ80JDt+sGkxH5+CzxxpwXFFp3m9e44 ttL7vCMPoE8Nz4abhdcJMud+uutw+msV+ldlzKke5R4kTHIMjMn77zbT1we6ztbwyNbD 5btQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmohywAjsA4Q0Li8t3WFhj9GUHKPXKrMOaEcsSzFmeQvqJq1TBNSvSdfDAKJa09rNq3hsSJ X-Received: by 10.152.207.108 with SMTP id lv12mr929593lac.94.1423096784487; Wed, 04 Feb 2015 16:39:44 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.128.163 with HTTP; Wed, 4 Feb 2015 16:39:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <54D2A063.2080804@gnome.org> References: <20150202215148.GA5983@gnome.org> <54D2A063.2080804@gnome.org> From: Sriram Ramkrishna Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 16:39:24 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Minutes of the Board Meeting of January, 23th, 2015 To: Dave Neary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Foundation-List X-BeenThere: foundation-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion relating to the GNOME Foundation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2015 00:39:59 -0000 On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 2:42 PM, Dave Neary wrote: > Hi, > > No comment on the minutes beyond what others have already asked about - > I just wanted to say that it warms my heart to see people reading board > minutes and offering suggestions, asking questions and proposing their > help on items in the minutes. Me too.. the board should and continually be challenged by its members. > > This is a vindication of publishing the minutes early after the meeting, > and shows what a great community GNOME has Yep. Since this was somewhat offtopic - let's put it back on topic. We had planned on a discussion at FOSDEM, but unfortunately it didn't happen. Sorry, that was my fault as it was my task to organize it. In any case, we are proposing an alternative meeting outside our regular board meeting to get this moving. Alberto made a good point, it is hard and while each of us have tried to do some outreach, we haven't been effective with our current adboard members. I think that's a shame. I expect that the various teams should take up more responsibilities, so that the board is not distracted by issues that could be delegated to the teams and we have more free time to work on ED search as that will take some time I expect. I hesitate to invite people to a ED search committee just yet. We have an upcoming meeting and I'll send out something regarding it. Thanks. sri >> Next meeting due on February 6th, 2015 at 17:00 UTC >> >> =3D=3D Attending =3D=3D >> * Ekaterina Gerasimova >> * Rosanna Yuen >> * Marina Zhurakhinskaya >> * Jeff Fortin >> * Andrea Veri >> * Karen Sandler >> * Tobias Mueller >> * Sriram Ramkrishna >> >> =3D=3D Regrets =3D=3D >> >> =3D=3D Missing =3D=3D >> >> =3D=3D Board meeting =3D=3D >> >> * Adboard meeting at FOSDEM 2015 >> * Unfortunately was not organized yet, so possibility of piggybacking= on the SFC dinner event with a "GNOME table"? ($40 in advance/euro 40 at t= he door per attendee) >> * People can go on an individual basis, but the general feeling among= board members seems to be "we're probably not setting this up as an offici= al event"; maybe just sending an informal invitation email to the adboard l= ist to let them know they can join us there >> * ACTION: Sri to send an informal invitation mail to the adboard for = the event >> >> * Next steps for the Outreach Program >> * Marina sent an e-mail to board-list with all the planned next steps = for the OP >> * This is a follow-up to a discussion we started during the GUADEC 20= 14 board meeting about the growth & requirements for the Outreach Program >> * GNOME has been a good home to launch and grow the project so far, b= ut the program has somewhat outgrown the capabilities of GNOME. Preparation= s are being made to create an environment where the OP can grow over time w= ithout creating too much burden to the GNOME Foundation (in terms of worklo= ad on the Board, Rosanna's time handling the payments and invoices) >> * OP is being renamed to "Outreachy" >> * OP would be joining the SFC; GNOME would still be providing its inf= rastructure, for the time of the transition >> * When this round will end (around March) funds (general OP and travel= funds) will have to be transferred from the GNOME Foundation to the SFC >> * Obligations (reimbursements etc.) will be then moved to the SFC its= elf >> * Rosanna will still be required to help out OP with invoicing / reim= bursement till the end of March >> * Travel allowances will still have to be approved by the Board for t= his (round that ends in March) and previous rounds >> * VOTE: The board agrees to move of OP to the SF Conservancy to furthe= r the growth of the program. GNOME will continue to be the infrastructure p= artner for the time being. Details on the transfering of funds and any othe= r information and the exact timetable will be established in due course, up= on consulation with counsel. >> * The GNOME Foundation would not be bound by the contract of the SFC= . The primary reason for this vote is that SFC wants to make sure that "GNO= ME is okay with this move" >> * +1 from Jeff, Tobi, Sri, Kat, Andrea - Karen & Marina abstain >> * ACTION: Karen & Marina should provide a more detailed plan as things= are being figured out (timeframe, next steps) >> >> * 500$ materials sponsorship request for GNOME Peru Fest 2015 >> * VOTE: approve the 500$ materials sponsorship: +1 unanimous >> >> * Next board meeting: our backlog is huge. We could have an extra meeti= ng right after FOSDEM, intsead of waiting 2 weeks. >> * ACTION: Tobi/Sri to evaluate the situation while at FOSDEM and requ= est an extra meeting if needed >> >> Deferred: >> * Responding to a phone press inquiry asking to reach Stormy Peters >> * Comment from Stormy: "There is a press mailing list to deal with pre= ss inquiries. And if they are looking for me, they should be able to find m= e but you are welcome to point them my way." >> * ACTION: maybe Rosanna can check with the caller to see what he wants= and see if we need to get back to him by press contact, or if he really wa= nted to reach Stormy in particular? >> * Sysadmin sponsorship: should we have a guadec-style sponsors' brochur= e to help with that? >> * WHS >> * OEM Linux distribution including GNOME - any action required wrt Narc= is Garcia's email? >> * Review action items in kanban board, for completeness and status >> * ED search >> >> * Deferred until further mailing list discussion occurs from other boar= d members (or missing info): >> * Reviewing and harmonizing our logos & trademark guidelines wrt =C2= =AE, =E2=84=A2, etc. >> * Discuss plans for reviewing salaries/hourly rates of employees/cont= ractors >> * Trademark defense campaign has ended and been a success: start eval= uating the use of funds to wrap up the matter and to make GNOME better >> * GNOME Privacy project: what to do with the gathered funds? (hackfes= t? internships? more ideas?) >> * NDA for sysadmins (for the privacy policy) >> >> =3D=3D Discussed on the mailing list =3D=3D >> * Midpoint payments to Outreach interns >> >> =3D=3D Completed Actions =3D=3D >> * Edward Swartz's "philantropist donation": Sri to email him to thank, = say we're getting a gift together, ask about reasons motivating his great d= onation, maybe offer an interview? And verify his mailing address. >> >> =3D=3D Pending action items =3D=3D >> * GNOME's CoC: Board to follow up in the upcoming meetings and prepare = a version of the CoC to be finally considered final over all the GNOME year= ly events >> * Kat to create a private wiki page on the web services accounts holder= s and passwords >> * Allan and Kat decided to go for a private git account instead for se= curity reasons >> * Kat to draft a proposal for a privacy policy for review >> * Kat to draft a contract template for future use organizations for whi= ch we handle money >> * Karen to write the Privacy policy for GNOME services >> * Karen will look at gnome-software privacy issues from a legal standpo= int >> * Karen to draft a proposal for the photography policy at GNOME confere= nces to discuss on foundation-list >> * Tobi to continue pursuing the fund collection in Europe >> * Tobi to talk to Andrea to move the PayPal data extraction scripts ove= r to the GNOME infrastructure >> * Sri to investigate better uses of adsense/adwords on the GNOME websit= es >> * Sri to communicate to Rosanna and work on the donation for the West C= oast hackfest >> * Sri, Marina, Kat to work on establishing criteria for drafting for th= e hiring committee for the ED role >> * Sri to investigate the GNOME gifts situation >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> foundation-announce mailing list >> foundation-announce@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-announce >> > > -- > Dave Neary, Boston, MA, USA > Email: dneary@gnome.org > Jabber: nearyd@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > foundation-list mailing list > foundation-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list From amaya@amayita.com Thu Feb 5 03:00:09 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 218E57695F for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2015 03:00:09 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c5ZQ4oy7tHYJ for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2015 03:00:07 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 509 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at restaurant.gnome.org; Thu, 05 Feb 2015 03:00:07 UTC Received: from amayita.com (213.227.20.11.static.user.ono.com [213.227.20.11]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78D987626D for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2015 02:59:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: by amayita.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E166755C0116; Thu, 5 Feb 2015 03:51:24 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 03:51:24 +0100 From: Amaya To: foundation-list@gnome.org Subject: Debian Project mourns the loss of Clytie Siddall Message-ID: <20150205025124.GT11654@aenima> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Organization: Debian - http://www.debian.org/ X-Operating-System: Linux 3.17-1-amd64 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-BeenThere: foundation-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion relating to the GNOME Foundation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2015 03:00:09 -0000 FYI ----- Forwarded message from Neil McGovern ----- Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 16:46:37 +0000 From: Neil McGovern To: debian-news@lists.debian.org Subject: Debian Project mourns the loss of Clytie Siddall ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Debian Project https://www.debian.org/ Debian Project mourns the loss of Clytie Siddall press@debian.org February 4th, 2015 https://www.debian.org/News/2015/20150204 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Debian Project sadly announces that it has lost a member of its community. 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[69.165.195.27]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id i2sm2063508ioi.41.2015.02.04.22.26.41 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 04 Feb 2015 22:26:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1423117599.12607.104.camel@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Minutes of the Board Meeting of January, 23th, 2015 From: Jeff Fortin Tam To: foundation-list@gnome.org Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2015 01:26:39 -0500 In-Reply-To: References: <20150202215148.GA5983@gnome.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-s1EE7OhkTacP+88CHUNX" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.12.10 (3.12.10-1.fc21) Mime-Version: 1.0 Cc: board-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: foundation-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion relating to the GNOME Foundation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2015 06:26:59 -0000 --=-s1EE7OhkTacP+88CHUNX Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Alberto, thanks for bringing this up and keeping us in check. I guess I, for one, can take some blame for the way I've been setting meeting agendas lately. Part of the problem is that we keep having to react to a ton of *time-critical* or sensitive situations (I don't know if it's always like that—2014 has been... quite a year, let's say). But you already know that. Of course, to streamline our interactions (and make our meetings more efficient and meaningful) I try hard to steer the board to solve most topics through the normal mailing list process (including complex ones) as much as possible. Yet, a portion inevitably ends falling through the cracks if we don't bring them up in a meeting (and actually, there is another portion that I purposely let sit in the cracks "until it has reached a certain discussion threshold on the mailing list", otherwise the meeting agendas would see no end). Naturally, this means we end up with a pretty loaded agenda each time, with the knowledge that we can't process it all but will try to crunch through as much as possible in our limited time together. Hence, generally speaking, at the end of meetings a lot of items gets deferred, sometimes repeatedly, and that's arguably normal (but it certainly looks bad in minutes :) "Arguably normal!?" ED Search is a very big item (both in terms of discussion and in terms of actions to be taken) and the course of action has been unclear as the groundwork has been delayed by other Big Items (some are still ongoing, including two of which I cannot talk about here yet). Thus, bringing ED Search as the "first item" in a meeting can be tricky, as that basically means the other quick-but-numerous items get pushed over to the roadside in favor of a big fuzzy one. For one thing I cannot realistically imagine delaying time-critical items (related to events, reimbursements or deadlines to reach out to partners), in the name of the big complex ED Search item, as we would grind everything to a halt. On other more amenable occasions however, I sometimes brought the ED search topic back up, but the status had not changed at that point in time. So essentially, my decision heuristic has been "time/operation-critical first, search second, and the rest third". That has been my appraisal of the situation and resulting judgment call so far, but hey, maybe my I made a bad judgment call. If the majority of the people on the list here tell me "Seriously, drop *everything* else, freeze everything until you get the ED", then I can consider that course of action. We are your elected officials after all. Of course, as you can see, this whole catch-22 annoys me as much as it annoys you. You may also have noticed that my usually chatty blog has grown very quiet and my direct source contributions (devving, testing, design, and so on) have been completely on hold in the past few months. As it is now, my life is being consumed by daytime business on one hand and the board on the other, so everything else is unfortunately secondary. I feel an immense responsibility for the Foundation and I'm regularly guilt-tripping myself for not being able to do more and get the board out of this situation quicker. I spent most of my xmas holidays thinking about the ED situation and GNOME's partners. Part of what keeps me going is my continued amazement at the fact that the board still manages to plow through so much (including over two thousand board/foundation-related mails in recent months, which sounds like a significant amount to me, but maybe I'm a lazy bastard), frequently dealing with mind-boggling situations, lengthy and sometimes heated debates in meetings... All that in addition to their daily obligations, without going into a collective burnout. I think that's impressive. Dear boardees, you are awesome, please keep going, and let's get the ED topic going again soon! I'm afraid my message here does not give an immediate satisfactory solution, but at least it gives some context that may be hard to see from the outside, and gives me the opportunity to publicly thank this crazy team :) All the best, Jean-François --=-s1EE7OhkTacP+88CHUNX Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Alberto, thanks for bringing this up and keeping us in check.

I guess I, for one, can take some blame for the way I've been setting meeting agendas lately.

Part of the problem is that we keep having to react to a ton of *time-critical* or sensitive situations (I don't know if it's always like that—2014 has been... quite a year, let's say). But you already know that.

Of course, to streamline our interactions (and make our meetings more efficient and meaningful) I try hard to steer the board to solve most topics through the normal mailing list process (including complex ones) as much as possible. Yet, a portion inevitably ends falling through the cracks if we don't bring them up in a meeting (and actually, there is another portion that I purposely let sit in the cracks "until it has reached a certain discussion threshold on the mailing list", otherwise the meeting agendas would see no end). Naturally, this means we end up with a pretty loaded agenda each time, with the knowledge that we can't process it all but will try to crunch through as much as possible in our limited time together. Hence, generally speaking, at the end of meetings a lot of items gets deferred, sometimes repeatedly, and that's arguably normal (but it certainly looks bad in minutes :)

"Arguably normal!?"

ED Search is a very big item (both in terms of discussion and in terms of actions to be taken) and the course of action has been unclear as the groundwork has been delayed by other Big Items (some are still ongoing, including two of which I cannot talk about here yet). Thus, bringing ED Search as the "first item" in a meeting can be tricky, as that basically means the other quick-but-numerous items get pushed over to the roadside in favor of a big fuzzy one. For one thing I cannot realistically imagine delaying time-critical items (related to events, reimbursements or deadlines to reach out to partners), in the name of the big complex ED Search item, as we would grind everything to a halt. On other more amenable occasions however, I sometimes brought the ED search topic back up, but the status had not changed at that point in time.

So essentially, my decision heuristic has been "time/operation-critical first, search second, and the rest third". That has been my appraisal of the situation and resulting judgment call so far, but hey, maybe my I made a bad judgment call.

If the majority of the people on the list here tell me "Seriously, drop *everything* else, freeze everything until you get the ED", then I can consider that course of action. We are your elected officials after all.

Of course, as you can see, this whole catch-22 annoys me as much as it annoys you. You may also have noticed that my usually chatty blog has grown very quiet and my direct source contributions (devving, testing, design, and so on) have been completely on hold in the past few months. As it is now, my life is being consumed by daytime business on one hand and the board on the other, so everything else is unfortunately secondary. I feel an immense responsibility for the Foundation and I'm regularly guilt-tripping myself for not being able to do more and get the board out of this situation quicker. I spent most of my xmas holidays thinking about the ED situation and GNOME's partners.

Part of what keeps me going is my continued amazement at the fact that the board still manages to plow through so much (including over two thousand board/foundation-related mails in recent months, which sounds like a significant amount to me, but maybe I'm a lazy bastard), frequently dealing with mind-boggling situations, lengthy and sometimes heated debates in meetings... All that in addition to their daily obligations, without going into a collective burnout. I think that's impressive. Dear boardees, you are awesome, please keep going, and let's get the ED topic going again soon!

I'm afraid my message here does not give an immediate satisfactory solution, but at least it gives some context that may be hard to see from the outside, and gives me the opportunity to publicly thank this crazy team :)

All the best,
Jean-François --=-s1EE7OhkTacP+88CHUNX-- From ebassi@gmail.com Thu Feb 5 09:50:44 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3252A76AA7; Thu, 5 Feb 2015 09:50:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SeJ13OGasN1F; Thu, 5 Feb 2015 09:50:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qg0-f46.google.com (mail-qg0-f46.google.com [209.85.192.46]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79793762C2; Thu, 5 Feb 2015 09:50:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qg0-f46.google.com with SMTP id j5so5364510qga.5; Thu, 05 Feb 2015 01:50:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=0NeUGizRGaSNgDzkfDBm+XR5kRD8/pV1Jiai/Xgbwio=; b=DCGUlubs/i6hugGtw91BxtuEecLc+LWTV4Csoc+xFV0w0O8J/qBZucXeNDNjdZG3Bi czeEGxNzXpmv9Mv9zQSuMC9AySQbH1WsvHWbr2Wbsl+3+tcxDTqwsmdJYkRlSzK+CU5t wFI3bMl15XslEXFUIYAle4ofxnXk7brOF0CS/6UrOvWr2qEWEcsafqCabIMvNVNoWGMl VHzUu1XHMS2uSmiU/cLkza5lZ+lYdjJXTjVhbRBDV/NJdsk+A58BB051pQ0LEiTrYveS WcSmHLY0eqWgsW2vAtBWyZt+T46Z5uu1nOFp8m97Zmk0e8yozDMrg/5myUimsbkcfKLe mp9g== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.224.36.197 with SMTP id u5mr6250634qad.69.1423129825562; Thu, 05 Feb 2015 01:50:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.250.68 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Feb 2015 01:50:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1423117599.12607.104.camel@gmail.com> References: <20150202215148.GA5983@gnome.org> <1423117599.12607.104.camel@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 09:50:25 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Minutes of the Board Meeting of January, 23th, 2015 From: Emmanuele Bassi To: Jeff Fortin Tam Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: GNOME Foundation Board , GNOME Foundation X-BeenThere: foundation-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion relating to the GNOME Foundation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2015 09:50:44 -0000 hi Jeff; On 5 February 2015 at 06:26, Jeff Fortin Tam wrote: > If the majority of the people on the list here tell me "Seriously, drop > *everything* else, freeze everything until you get the ED", then I can > consider that course of action. We are your elected officials after all. the board should never have to make this decision, nor should the foundation membership put the board in this position; putting everything on hold for the ED search would be irresponsible. I sincerely hope nobody is suggesting this course of action. this kind of situations is why the board is empowered by the bylaws to create a committee for the ED search. since the ED search also means answering the questions "what is the ED's job description anyway" and "how much can we pay this person" are part of the remit of this committee. the board would then interact with the committee without having the burden to discuss the issue every single time, draining resources away from the day-to-day needs of a complex foundation like GNOME. forming the ED search committee is going to be slightly problematic: the board will need to find reliable, trustworthy people with enough time on their hands for the job. this is probably a good time to get the ball rolling, and start asking the membership for help in this delicate time and for this goal. arguably, this should have been set up right at the end of the previous board's term/beginning of this board's term, but I suspect that the GroupOn issue threw a massive spanner in everybody's timetable. ciao, Emmanuele. -- https://www.bassi.io [@] ebassi [@gmail.com] From andrea.veri@gmail.com Fri Feb 6 11:30:27 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51B3E762C2 for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2015 11:30:27 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RcGFQsEFq0VM for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2015 11:30:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-la0-f54.google.com (mail-la0-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE0827695E for ; Fri, 6 Feb 2015 11:30:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by labhs14 with SMTP id hs14so508201lab.9 for ; Fri, 06 Feb 2015 03:30:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Ln6OsJL590HgxnWM/XAruLpYLKYSyHm/kcBKeuMRdfI=; b=B1n5PhrgOVyJWPfKU1p93ch94wa3eA6oOuTyEn6nQ3WrHdin3k/P5+ce8LexyQSyLO EsHhXt0on344+AeZh6C+msdnjCe8LZfTzst6YBfnc4RGv7RWl/dYdh+jGVvAtR4YZwPZ qwxbtjVT91CeiZXviQj7cfcmBhZXMegN9u5b/N+le5xxXZQnSCl1slL/AH44QIR2COZz 0Nh2zSXFqiG8K9Wee7jWjamYiD4quvzdRos3ml+8g2099UEk4Ivyjn66a9BVniI3P0Zv HuuYbtysTirFaPIDFapmncuRWk6+CykIRVkV+cy1k8tPXilyhE2qQwFJwNYbe7iSn7l/ NeKw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.18.225 with SMTP id z1mr2246002lad.124.1423222213206; Fri, 06 Feb 2015 03:30:13 -0800 (PST) Sender: andrea.veri@gmail.com Received: by 10.112.61.168 with HTTP; Fri, 6 Feb 2015 03:30:13 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20150205025124.GT11654@aenima> References: <20150205025124.GT11654@aenima> Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2015 12:30:13 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: PB4UPOKXv6yTwFZgB9BM4Y6uJ7M Message-ID: Subject: Re: Debian Project mourns the loss of Clytie Siddall From: Andrea Veri To: Amaya Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: Foundation List X-BeenThere: foundation-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion relating to the GNOME Foundation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2015 11:30:27 -0000 Hello Amaya, thanks for forwarding this information to us, we were contacted by the Debian Marketing Team about this already and we made sure a joint press release was prepared and reshared through our social network accounts. cheers, 2015-02-05 3:51 GMT+01:00 Amaya : > FYI > > ----- Forwarded message from Neil McGovern ----- > > Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 16:46:37 +0000 > From: Neil McGovern > To: debian-news@lists.debian.org > Subject: Debian Project mourns the loss of Clytie Siddall > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The Debian Project https://www.debian.org/ > Debian Project mourns the loss of Clytie Siddall press@debian.org > February 4th, 2015 https://www.debian.org/News/2015/20150204 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > The Debian Project sadly announces that it has lost a member of its > community. Clytie Siddall passed recently after a long battle with > Myalgic Encephalomyelitis/Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. > > Clytie was a contributor of Vietnamese translations to Debian and other > projects for many years. Within Debian she worked on translations for > the installer, dpkg, apt and various documentation. She also contributed > translations within the GNOME community and many other projects. Clytie > was a GNOME foundation contributor. > > The Debian Project honours her good work and strong dedication to Debian > and Free Software. Clytie's contributions will not be forgotten, and the > high standards of her work will continue to serve as an inspiration to > others. > > > About Debian > ------------ > The Debian Project is an association of Free Software developers who > volunteer their time and effort in order to produce the completely free > operating system Debian GNU/Linux. > > > Contact Information > ------------------- > For further information, please visit the Debian web pages at > https://www.debian.org/ or send mail to . > > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > -- > .''`. The world breaks everyone, and afterward, some are > : :' : strong at the broken places. - Ernest Hemingway > `. `' > `- Proudly running Debian GNU/Linux > _______________________________________________ > foundation-list mailing list > foundation-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- Cheers, Andrea Debian Developer, Fedora / EPEL packager, GNOME Infrastructure Team Coordinator, GNOME Foundation Board of Directors Secretary, GNOME Foundation Membership & Elections Committee Chairman Homepage: http://www.gnome.org/~av From andrea.veri@gmail.com Mon Feb 9 22:45:24 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71E6176A0B; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 22:45:24 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4GwcKMLuMs6q; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 22:45:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lb0-f178.google.com (mail-lb0-f178.google.com [209.85.217.178]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A8037697B; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 22:45:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f178.google.com with SMTP id w7so11754016lbi.9; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 14:45:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=VFMoIagzJAEaIPTJjhlEfZ6g5t0Ih3vCr1NtfjxGHbU=; b=GJvn6pmonQUfpyPFPKVPfh+LtzZEQfwo6bZOMX6dMgW6jXT2jFwiRnsE63FPj26dOw PbhdVpFTScdtou/7XQ1P7vymbxcSLF0Pfsh3cSrxOuXdq9Mw6Xnb8d7azVECapOxY9nJ nGZpYYIhHIHuWT/OAR//qm75VSm7tpLwcqcOZxgTheD42/O8VLur+PuHKVbrsdhgkQDL gTY2Tn86MmNxrpvpxp+40/JzglFp94z3JZYKu00q8fxv5/iemkKAzRgH/EVH0Mum7fQI Wyxeq0GUbiP/TDf33hdsNhmJ4LzUJOrU/DFk1RCxoNT30GsveL+gtZ2N6NRhQPq/MlnZ lvsg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.27.69 with SMTP id r5mr20102762lag.18.1423521909495; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 14:45:09 -0800 (PST) Sender: andrea.veri@gmail.com Received: by 10.112.61.168 with HTTP; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 14:45:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 23:45:09 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: sMwUtyIvVOH1EHRgy8TeIquNECo Message-ID: Subject: Re: OUTAGE: bugzilla.gnome.org, 09th February (09:00 CET) - 10th February (22:00 CET) From: Andrea Veri To: "infrastructure-announce@gnome.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: Foundation List , desktop-devel-list X-BeenThere: foundation-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion relating to the GNOME Foundation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2015 22:45:24 -0000 The upgrade has been finalized and the machine is back to production. A special thank you goes to Andre Klapper and Krzesimir Nowak for their hard work to make this happen. We are also happy to announce Krzesimir has joined the GNOME Bugmasters team and admin status has been granted to him on bugzilla.gnome.org. We are also delighted about the fact today's upgrade has given a new life to the Bugmasters team: new members are joining and more are willing to participate to the team and most of all old members are back on track to provide their valuable feedback and expertise. While we are confident enough testing was made we welcome everyone to submit bugs that may arise at [1]. Have an awesome evening everyone! [1] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=bugzilla.gnome.org 2015-02-04 20:22 GMT+01:00 Andrea Veri : > Hi, > > this upcoming monday we'll be performing bugzilla.gnome.org's upgrade > to the very latest Bugzilla release, it being 4.4.8. > > The upgrade time frame has been kept wide enough for us to perform the > following operations: > > 1. Make sure the Bugzilla database is replicated on our MySQLd replica > (mainly dumping the DB and restoring it on the replica so they are > both in sync. We need all the tables to be on READ LOCK while doing > this so the upgrade is a good time for the replication of this > database to be restored) > 2. Perform the upgrade itself from release 3.4 to release 4.4.8 > 3. Perform post-upgrade maintenance operations > > More information about what happened behind the scenes during these > months can be found at [1]. > > As usual keep an eye at [2], we'll make sure to update it with ETAs as > things move forward. > > [1] http://krnowak.blogspot.it/2015/01/gnome-bugzilla-upgrade.html > [2] https://status.gnome.org > > -- > Cheers, > > Andrea > > Debian Developer, > Fedora / EPEL packager, > GNOME Infrastructure Team Coordinator, > GNOME Foundation Board of Directors Secretary, > GNOME Foundation Membership & Elections Committee Chairman > > Homepage: http://www.gnome.org/~av -- Cheers, Andrea Debian Developer, Fedora / EPEL packager, GNOME Infrastructure Team Coordinator, GNOME Foundation Board of Directors Secretary, GNOME Foundation Membership & Elections Committee Chairman Homepage: http://www.gnome.org/~av From sri@ramkrishna.me Mon Feb 9 22:51:10 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1E7A15C022 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 22:51:10 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=unavailable Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5v7NeB7TxLjf for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 22:51:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lb0-f175.google.com (mail-lb0-f175.google.com [209.85.217.175]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD7CD7697B for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 22:50:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f175.google.com with SMTP id n10so28469017lbv.6 for ; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 14:50:51 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=wLJ+69lEhUpNYrNdR8iZwrS+FddfFar19d624vVee7U=; b=SP3cBBcGWukEnuc2j7xVKjCMiK4z9QPfw/qtgXoFJDak8xBO4ZvZN6+WNr4xwevKu6 0Loc9eCakWdpP0zYFsxQPeb3J3Rt6fxJxHCx0FyfKbvV/YizNdoGf0hIQTESvNjpwsWp yCc1QoO+oYiyR9o2/5mtnP1kBZTA+lpIa5xsxrVwQyg0MV8WmRbsdUnVkqZbyt2uBTBy 5ebAVokX/hurh9ktd3waWzha0AxXNaPHUpW86lGC+6DFkQ09qFk3ShQ8sRxwl+JvJjoc BW6qboQGYwktJmNLGNYKcslk1vSyRTzNrBVmHDCN1fqeEABpNnubb1RUiFWeRDQnfV7D NDBw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQn1qj0HhGVip1sbHjZLJ5nDaPB8lYVCjsByVDnE7GeovuskWbBUYw7UCuwj/l4tAEDXJYl1 X-Received: by 10.152.29.66 with SMTP id i2mr20416304lah.64.1423522251592; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 14:50:51 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.128.163 with HTTP; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 14:50:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References:

From: Sriram Ramkrishna Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 14:50:31 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OUTAGE: bugzilla.gnome.org, 09th February (09:00 CET) - 10th February (22:00 CET) To: Andrea Veri Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: "infrastructure-announce@gnome.org" , Foundation List , desktop-devel-list X-BeenThere: foundation-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion relating to the GNOME Foundation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2015 22:51:10 -0000 On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 2:45 PM, Andrea Veri wrote: > The upgrade has been finalized and the machine is back to production. > A special thank you goes to Andre Klapper and Krzesimir Nowak for > their hard work to make this happen. > > We are also happy to announce Krzesimir has joined the GNOME > Bugmasters team and admin status has been granted to him on > bugzilla.gnome.org. We are also delighted about the fact today's > upgrade has given a new life to the Bugmasters team: new members are > joining and more are willing to participate to the team and most of > all old members are back on track to provide their valuable feedback > and expertise. > > While we are confident enough testing was made we welcome everyone to > submit bugs that may arise at [1]. > > Have an awesome evening everyone! > I just want to thank everyone on the sysadmin team for this. This has been a long time coming and took quite amount of work due to the fact that we had a specialized bugzilla install. It's times like this is why having an expert sysadmin team is so important. We are _lucky_ to have such awesome ones. I've worked in a lot of environments, and I know what I speak of. Thanks again guys, you guys are the best! Now if we can maybe get someone to change the UI a bit on bugzilla that would be something... sri > [1] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=bugzilla.gnome.org > > 2015-02-04 20:22 GMT+01:00 Andrea Veri : >> Hi, >> >> this upcoming monday we'll be performing bugzilla.gnome.org's upgrade >> to the very latest Bugzilla release, it being 4.4.8. >> >> The upgrade time frame has been kept wide enough for us to perform the >> following operations: >> >> 1. Make sure the Bugzilla database is replicated on our MySQLd replica >> (mainly dumping the DB and restoring it on the replica so they are >> both in sync. We need all the tables to be on READ LOCK while doing >> this so the upgrade is a good time for the replication of this >> database to be restored) >> 2. Perform the upgrade itself from release 3.4 to release 4.4.8 >> 3. Perform post-upgrade maintenance operations >> >> More information about what happened behind the scenes during these >> months can be found at [1]. >> >> As usual keep an eye at [2], we'll make sure to update it with ETAs as >> things move forward. >> >> [1] http://krnowak.blogspot.it/2015/01/gnome-bugzilla-upgrade.html >> [2] https://status.gnome.org >> >> -- >> Cheers, >> >> Andrea >> >> Debian Developer, >> Fedora / EPEL packager, >> GNOME Infrastructure Team Coordinator, >> GNOME Foundation Board of Directors Secretary, >> GNOME Foundation Membership & Elections Committee Chairman >> >> Homepage: http://www.gnome.org/~av > > > > -- > Cheers, > > Andrea > > Debian Developer, > Fedora / EPEL packager, > GNOME Infrastructure Team Coordinator, > GNOME Foundation Board of Directors Secretary, > GNOME Foundation Membership & Elections Committee Chairman > > Homepage: http://www.gnome.org/~av > _______________________________________________ > foundation-list mailing list > foundation-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list From sri@ramkrishna.me Mon Feb 9 22:57:41 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAD4376A69 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 22:57:40 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2KDvxbTRZIHx for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 22:57:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-la0-f52.google.com (mail-la0-f52.google.com [209.85.215.52]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B530B76A3B for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 22:57:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by lams18 with SMTP id s18so16768375lam.13 for ; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 14:57:27 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=yoYuz1LzW5kMGf2Y7JfT6jNVsUkmKQkvXxlvjaOD2P0=; b=Dmh1NtzuajDxpk+gCEj+vGo6S3wEX1P0rUsR/WomqTdGKbnOIwIfY6lEA1mI2EVztA Z5gXJqLejQADkkxCZatBrnAAgzLmO3JkX5gjZPx2Y5OD+rifn6WXqsuSp5cdqLfm/aBC Yn0HUVN+fZcckysoI4OqNNl05+O8LYkEv4Ymx1bAUm8ZNfHhOewv0fKvcRIUWhmBKRLA viorYazv+9pjIDNPSX2tjjrZwx6J+H65fNF2LGDrmZUHVbxJUdZ53cZ3xJRdHUnh5oX9 /ifzoYwxqVzFiULj402R0iQIAlckuau8b9E5cvhUcOw2Y9s+HJ3KCNRQNCVZdkMeOOF3 z09Q== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQk28HG71RFQKZSundp6MKNuCC1F5EOBMrpE/wghGiRIE79XPhqatfLfAJYhCM32ulMGedoI X-Received: by 10.112.25.104 with SMTP id b8mr20062913lbg.69.1423522647280; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 14:57:27 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.128.163 with HTTP; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 14:57:07 -0800 (PST) From: Sriram Ramkrishna Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 14:57:07 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: foundation application.. To: Foundation-List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: foundation-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion relating to the GNOME Foundation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2015 22:57:41 -0000 Do people find the application to the foundation to be intimidating? I've talked to a number of people and I get the feeling that unless I do coding or something that I'm not a valuable member. Even with all the stuff I do, I still feel inadequate when I renew... I was just curious if other people felt that way as well.. sri From alexandre.franke@gmail.com Mon Feb 9 23:14:22 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E30876A0B for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 23:14:22 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tYOX7qUjqA9C for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 23:14:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-f180.google.com (mail-wi0-f180.google.com [209.85.212.180]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8C107697B for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 23:14:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f180.google.com with SMTP id z2so10095933wiv.1 for ; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 15:14:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=oydGpiA6i8tIIVF+EmBJQRT1grGYGSS2o8ZJR/M7x+Y=; b=aQH4qLWUsc9ryiyUHpFxKsLqYFvSALDwPAPMHi8/9TTXlvM57iHK1rk22B2hsZ7xab 7VXGhsoeJ42U6SzpAcSrZ3Wi59SGUng/63SNobzEQagzSJna8TM8KVXs7LFkGQBPrWBN mTwoWfhehmPcGDFq5iO//d54m7M2EctVeq401vtrGCjaBZaP4SO5e4Wb+sQn40P64xkx GqHzGXARLfJTaUWgZF8KaFLQ4ZYySRlx74ssm4qh3CHOxA/8UDnUKHu7ajPr1WbsPzIT RX1yLC2FAEsUPEtQ+PJQjBhUOmhEvEXWk50jFDnmcNGv3UHI7k9FNt2/AuDdj78nhY5U W9MA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.108.162 with SMTP id hl2mr47622528wjb.134.1423523648474; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 15:14:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.155.100 with HTTP; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 15:14:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 00:14:08 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: foundation application.. From: Alexandre Franke To: Sriram Ramkrishna Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: Foundation-List X-BeenThere: foundation-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion relating to the GNOME Foundation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2015 23:14:22 -0000 On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 11:57 PM, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: > Do people find the application to the foundation to be intimidating? > I've talked to a number of people and I get the feeling that unless I > do coding or something that I'm not a valuable member. > > Even with all the stuff I do, I still feel inadequate when I renew... > > I was just curious if other people felt that way as well.. Yes. -- Alexandre Franke From liberforce@freeside.fr Mon Feb 9 23:33:31 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFD4A76A38 for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 23:33:31 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4GRM3cRA807Q for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 23:33:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay3-d.mail.gandi.net (relay3-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.195]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1914F76A1A for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 23:33:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mfilter3-d.gandi.net (mfilter3-d.gandi.net [217.70.178.133]) by relay3-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE670A80C7 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 00:33:17 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mfilter3-d.gandi.net Received: from relay3-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.195]) by mfilter3-d.gandi.net (mfilter3-d.gandi.net [10.0.15.180]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R4pVWMYkhHoI for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 00:33:16 +0100 (CET) X-Originating-IP: 88.160.178.107 Received: from [192.168.0.10] (cho94-6-88-160-178-107.fbx.proxad.net [88.160.178.107]) (Authenticated sender: liberforce@freeside.fr) by relay3-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 86BCCA80BC for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 00:33:16 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <54D943BB.1010104@freeside.fr> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 00:33:15 +0100 From: Luis Menina User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: foundation-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: foundation application.. References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: foundation-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion relating to the GNOME Foundation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2015 23:33:31 -0000 Le 09/02/2015 23:57, Sriram Ramkrishna a =E9crit : > Do people find the application to the foundation to be intimidating? > I've talked to a number of people and I get the feeling that unless I > do coding or something that I'm not a valuable member. >=20 > Even with all the stuff I do, I still feel inadequate when I renew... >=20 > I was just curious if other people felt that way as well.. AS I told you at FODEM, Without Alexandre, I wouldn't have even applied := -p So yes, I still find it intimidating because it's hard to feel legitimate when you're a small contibutor. But the same way "every detail matters", well, "every contribution matters". From alexandre.franke@gmail.com Mon Feb 9 23:39:31 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FE1176A0B for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 23:39:31 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6aWM0xvwBshl for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 23:39:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-we0-f169.google.com (mail-we0-f169.google.com [74.125.82.169]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD5B17697B for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 23:39:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-we0-f169.google.com with SMTP id k48so9147023wev.0 for ; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 15:39:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=P3PXLkdTGp4uMjd98AcQxXdq4WCx8YM8iaC04Zwmn8o=; b=HYYHlI5Ijhk1BFxbkDHRjhqXqXS3CwRCVosZbMZwcVI9rTGEtrQfUDJqAmhDPeNaNq z5miurvcUELZDvefkkyr1jZ25yNl17RKV5aNYtJsgjuflvOyNht9qh5nASx0zDeXUEVu R7SuoXX2nMxbvMO7eRtbcNaTZWwaq/2KcMxZR9R+Ebtt0zH8DR91V8ba1zw15TNr6cfw 41W/FkgyZztDVNAEAK4kWIknWUXvNZ7piqYtG6vieTG6zF96SweMMBqa772RqqxlhWba SopOMcRvs1rzt20vb+oQgaGylWUHe3D7OnqD71IdTfbvlxS2OdYOaNg452tg5Axz+t0o wF4A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.72.241 with SMTP id g17mr40451181wiv.58.1423525155361; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 15:39:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.155.100 with HTTP; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 15:39:15 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <54D943BB.1010104@freeside.fr> References: <54D943BB.1010104@freeside.fr> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 00:39:15 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: foundation application.. From: Alexandre Franke To: Foundation List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: foundation-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion relating to the GNOME Foundation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2015 23:39:31 -0000 On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 12:33 AM, Luis Menina wrote: > So yes, I still find it intimidating because it's hard to feel > legitimate when you're a small contibutor. And that's part of the problem. This guy calls himself a "small contributer", which he is not. Sure he's not a maintainer of one of our core libraries, or even the leader of one of our teams, but he's been sustainably active for quite a long time now. -- Alexandre Franke From liberforce@freeside.fr Mon Feb 9 23:43:18 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24F8076A0B for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 23:43:18 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xoxDfUu7YT1V for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 23:43:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (relay4-d.mail.gandi.net [217.70.183.196]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C301D7697B for ; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 23:43:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mfilter29-d.gandi.net (mfilter29-d.gandi.net [217.70.178.160]) by relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2C1E172071 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 00:43:04 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mfilter29-d.gandi.net Received: from relay4-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.196]) by mfilter29-d.gandi.net (mfilter29-d.gandi.net [10.0.15.180]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WbwBAFTnxadf for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 00:43:03 +0100 (CET) X-Originating-IP: 88.160.178.107 Received: from [192.168.0.10] (cho94-6-88-160-178-107.fbx.proxad.net [88.160.178.107]) (Authenticated sender: liberforce@freeside.fr) by relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 39D09172080 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 00:43:02 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <54D94605.6030900@freeside.fr> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 00:43:01 +0100 From: Luis Menina User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: foundation-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Invitation to openSUSE conference! References: <7230EFA0-AF31-41B4-9BED-2A287ED29FED@hcderaad.nl> In-Reply-To: <7230EFA0-AF31-41B4-9BED-2A287ED29FED@hcderaad.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: foundation-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion relating to the GNOME Foundation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2015 23:43:18 -0000 Hi Hans, Le 01/02/2015 12:55, Hans de Raad (OpenNovations) a =E9crit : > I've just spoken to Luis menina from the GNOME-FR team at the FOSDEM > GNOME booth. >=20 > We would like to invite GNOME to have a booth at openSUSE conference! >=20 > For more info see: > Http://conference.openSUSE.org/ >=20 > It will be held from 1-4 may 2015 in The Hague Netherlands. >=20 > We look forward to welcome you to our conference! Please don't take the lack of reply as desinterest. GUADEC 2010 was held in The Hague in 2010, so there's a community out there for sure. Maybe try to contact ovitters: https://wiki.gnome.org/OlavVitters Cheers, -- Luis From sri@ramkrishna.me Tue Feb 10 01:02:15 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1B6376A1A for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 01:02:15 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1TSPfhjMehls for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 01:02:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lb0-f171.google.com (mail-lb0-f171.google.com [209.85.217.171]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8D2676A0B for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 01:02:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lb0-f171.google.com with SMTP id b6so10708246lbj.2 for ; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 17:02:02 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=39y5ovZlT4t52SAYMxbzJSP8ZcSYTKsC+ZPrjrn/hfQ=; b=Xh7sOjiqOQef+Yx2NL+44NVkAiX2TbjCVUNrN67vHKPwwpU0GHSYhVna6QgPIUngBn 9/Px+sHvLFg+m0XkJWHkMpqTz4cKZN5pTfHV369cGhIedYmkh3j3yvZRqG44wSkknydh 5GBn3QXqsc6uA9LejW9rqej0ZLVTXUSSAE5Dc1i+dCy28W9Ojpy5sYfJ7+tEDhoURy+2 Wvl8WkiWeN7ugeFbjAbqQ4+ZTDc9VSTHGn5A3wFwmJ8csh8K1fCN7+nWmHjVCLZiHGLC 3d814ZTaL1ypbscLmXjIxhrnZs/ldHwOVmzYbOvbcH46EDXD3DCqey/WJjlPQmPx9/UR 5oAg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkPauMNAzd/HY03jvZPjMrk17Ta9JjWzItEuea1YIYYtleFxTk60mWR+aeOyTMKW3hd5erR X-Received: by 10.112.155.229 with SMTP id vz5mr12712884lbb.38.1423530122642; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 17:02:02 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.128.163 with HTTP; Mon, 9 Feb 2015 17:01:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <54D943BB.1010104@freeside.fr> From: Sriram Ramkrishna Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 17:01:42 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: foundation application.. To: Alexandre Franke Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: Foundation List X-BeenThere: foundation-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion relating to the GNOME Foundation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 01:02:16 -0000 On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Alexandre Franke wrote: > On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 12:33 AM, Luis Menina wrote: >> So yes, I still find it intimidating because it's hard to feel >> legitimate when you're a small contibutor. > > And that's part of the problem. This guy calls himself a "small > contributer", which he is not. Sure he's not a maintainer of one of > our core libraries, or even the leader of one of our teams, but he's > been sustainably active for quite a long time now. Yes, I've had other anecdotes where people relate the same thing. As I said, I'm intimidated too when go through it. Maybe if there are interested people we could work on it together? sri > > -- > Alexandre Franke > _______________________________________________ > foundation-list mailing list > foundation-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list From olav@vitters.nl Tue Feb 10 08:07:11 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0792776A60 for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 08:07:11 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Elvloi3StsDz for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 08:07:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fep22.mx.upcmail.net (fep22.mx.upcmail.net [62.179.121.42]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0818676A3B for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 08:06:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from edge01.upcmail.net ([192.168.13.236]) by viefep22-int.chello.at (InterMail vM.8.01.05.13 201-2260-151-135-20130320) with ESMTP id <20150210080655.DZVM4912.viefep22-int.chello.at@edge01.upcmail.net> for ; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 09:06:55 +0100 Received: from bkor.dhs.org ([62.195.84.29]) by edge01.upcmail.net with edge id qY6Y1p0160dyCrA01Y6YMF; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 09:06:33 +0100 X-SourceIP: 62.195.84.29 Received: by bkor.dhs.org (Postfix, from userid 501) id 1959C17203CF; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 09:06:55 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 09:06:55 +0100 From: Olav Vitters To: foundation-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: foundation application.. Message-ID: <20150210080655.GE15770@bkor.dhs.org> Mail-Followup-To: foundation-list@gnome.org References: <54D943BB.1010104@freeside.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) X-BeenThere: foundation-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion relating to the GNOME Foundation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 08:07:11 -0000 On Mon, Feb 09, 2015 at 05:01:42PM -0800, Sriram Ramkrishna wrote: > Yes, I've had other anecdotes where people relate the same thing. As > I said, I'm intimidated too when go through it. Maybe if there are > interested people we could work on it together? I sometimes just hand out bugzilla permissions and/or tell people to get git accounts without them asking for it. Often difficult to judge until you have the experience. I try to watch out for beginners + try to make it easier to join. E.g. a while ago Bugzilla permissions changed so that any developer can hand out editbugs+canconfirm. -- Regards, Olav From oliver.propst@gmail.com Tue Feb 10 08:29:19 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 688DE76A51; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 08:29:19 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D8Q8hJO3aHNk; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 08:29:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qa0-f41.google.com (mail-qa0-f41.google.com [209.85.216.41]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 265E476A54; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 08:29:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id x12so8078525qac.0; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 00:29:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=lx0um1UHJONq+WZXW3lDOpAcs9uy31q5nu5/U4MLyYQ=; b=pD5GdNiXcnbo916/QrGVxCIRNX1Qbtt9iOXCvhGLQV9IDEn/LrnTVbuSt1w28kvsUR CW/v5laCQdPaXe79xY/e83Hm9HpSZZlV3QMfNnzLPjuDKbThQLEWKc/RpGsmnhQH9+b2 NqRJnAq3CcBm3IvudiQS/noLLb5UwWiRWw04rleeeQ9Ba/rbLcyLGcKpwv4zVGUvmNFe VoFmx9Mt5P6DFBpD2nD/u/sg1Gk567QiNTrxXhulQSuMn4MQMwdeHDMvlKqJKiw0oDDk meYeAU0W9XuWgeSeOWBdbtYVqBFJILDbkbsDB8a7cn1bFOh7bTkIBn+oTkUbOcvEXmpr CBlg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.140.109.55 with SMTP id k52mr48066162qgf.99.1423556945194; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 00:29:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.229.250.67 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Feb 2015 00:29:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References:

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 16:12:28 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: foundation application.. From: Magdalen Berns To: Andrea Veri Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0141a462f83d04050f5f15db Cc: Foundation List X-BeenThere: foundation-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion relating to the GNOME Foundation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 16:12:43 -0000 --089e0141a462f83d04050f5f15db Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > >> One of the main requirements of gaining > >> Foundation Membership is being active within the community for a > >> little while *after* the internship has ended to demonstrate the fact > >> there's a real interest staying around and contributing to the > >> Project. > > > > > > This is a practice which completely contradicts the bylaws definition a > > contributor who is eligible for membership. > > > > * All contributors have made a significant contribution (BYLAW) > > > > * All contributors are eligible for membership (BYLAW) > > > > * Some interns have made a significant contribution over their > internship > > > > * No interns are eligible for membership > > > > This does not make sense. > > As Germ=C3=A1n correctly pointed out the Bylaws were written before any > internship program ever started within the GNOME Project. And as I correctly pointed out ;-), this does not make any difference. The bylaws were last amended in 2012. Requesting an amendment to the bylaws takes 21 days to process once the BoD (or the person requesting it) have published the request on the foundation list so that the responses can be tallied. While the Bylaws define what the main requirements for gaining Foundation > Membership are they also mention "Membership will be determined on a > case-by-case basis, at the sole discretion of the Board and > Membership Committee" (Article VI, section 6.1). So what we have here > is a set of requirements the Bylaws strictly require the applicant to > possess for the membership to be actually granted while leaving the > Membership Committee the required discretion to process a certain > application. This leaves me out with one main question: how far can > the Committee go when reviewing a certain application? can the > Committee introduce additional "requirements" (during one of its > meetings and with a regular vote) for a membership to be accepted in > absence of particular references on the Bylaws themselves (like in the > case of interns or GSoC students for example)? > > It's clear the Bylaws probably need an update on this side and ideally > part of the "what to do in case the Bylaws do not mention how peculiar > cases (such as interns) should be handled" should be delegated to the > Committee that should come up with a set of policy and guidelines > widely accepted by the membership. I'll make sure the following item > will be discussed on the next or future Board meetings. > > >> The rationale behind this decision is mainly related to the > >> fact a good number of interns stopped contributing right after their > >> internship ended and it was clear to us their intent wasn't sticking > >> around the community nor they probably were passionate about our > >> project to justify staying around some more. We found extending the > >> contributions period (usually one or two months) for interns the best > >> solution to build a membership base made of people who really love and > >> care deeply about the project and the values it promotes. > > > > > > The bylaws do not say anything about a contribution period (and I had n= ot > > heard of it before myself either, to be honest). However, they do > explicitly > > state that individuals who should get credit for their contributions (n= ot > > the corporations who pay them), the same as ordinary volunteers might. > > Either sponsored contributions are as valuable as ones that aren't > > sponsored, or they aren't: The bylaws say that they are... If there is = an > > exception being made in the case of some interns then that seems quite > > significant. > > > > The bylaws do not say anything about what might motivate contributors t= o > > contribute, nor their level of commitment to GNOME, when it defines a > > "contributor" in terms of foundation membership but it does fairly > clearly > > describe about what a "contributor" is. The main thing that is unclear = in > > the bylaws is what defines a "non-trivial contribution" really and this > > becomes even more confusing because the practice is to state that all > > interns who make contribution from 40 hour weeks over a period of 3 > months > > are not eligible until they contribute more stuff. > > Stating the fact interns contributions aren't enough for them to join > the GNOME Foundation is out of discussion here. It's clear their > contributions are non-trivial enough for the Membership Committee to > grant the membership right after checking all the references listed on > the application. When an internship comes to an end I can think of two > possible natural consequences: one being the person applying for > membership and the other being the intern leaving the project and > moving to something else. The rationale behind choosing any of the > above consequences is strictly subjective to the individual. There > might be interns who never heard of what a FOSS project aimed to and > what it was about before joining OPW and at the end of the journey the > values of freedom we pursue were shared by the intern itself. Or there > might be interns who weren't attracted by the FOSS movement, by GNOME > or its eco-system and decided to step back and leave the project. > > The two months (seems there was some fuss between the six and the two > months period, I can confirm the period is two months as per [1]) > extended contributions period we introduced was mainly there to find > out whether a previous intern really wanted to stick around the > project even by participating to IRC or mailing list discussions of > the project the person contributed to during the internship, for > example. > In that case, Marina why had you come to believe that the membership committee told you 6 months? Why did the membership committee not point out it wasn't six months after she published her post to the mailing list, either? It seems unlikely that Marina plucked 6 months out of thin air... She's said the "problem" only arose after she had recommended that some interns should apply and indicated that the membership committee had responded badly to that: What do you have to say about that? I'm honestly struggling to find out what kind of problem would be > delaying a membership application by two months. If you want to stick by this decision and believe that it has the support of the community, then what is the problem with proposing an amendment to the bylaws for it and stating the reasons for it in that proposal? In the meantime, let's review some of the problems which arise from not doing that, since there are wider implications here: GNOME is not a complete meritocracy. It is meant to be representative of the community of contributors (*cough* as the bylaws define them - and that's why they define them). Changes to the definition of an eligible member which override the bylaws can affect the outcome of member elections/referendums and this the most obvious reason why in cases where a blanket exception is to be made to address a perceived problem related to membership illegibility for a particular group, that it follows that the evidence for making that exception should be compelling, the relevant amendment should be proposed to the list in the appropriate way and then agreed via the list, before being implemented rather than whatever has lead us here. Really, what about this has been so urgent about this issue that it could not possibly wait 21 days to resolve it one way or another? As regards comments on Outreachy internships (which seem to have clearly been cited a lot more in defence of this new practice, than GSoC); this is an internship specifically developed to address an identified problem of inclusiveness for under-represented minorities in FOSS and it is heavily associated with GNOME so, it's worth emphasising that one of the barriers which women are particularly likely to face in general, is that they are more likely to be told that their work has less value than someone else's, when that is not actually the case. A number of members here have indicated that interns are actually making non-trivial contributions, so on that basis would you not agree with the principle that applying a less favourable membership illegibility criteria for these interns in particular than for everybody else, sends out a somewhat contradictory message to the community about GNOME's commitment to equality? Moreover, if it is actually the case that this idea was a response to the applications from Outreachy (formally OPW) internships (as the comments on this thread are beginning to suggest), then we really do have problem. As mentioned in response to the initial concern that was raised at the start of this thread, an intern who is eligible for membership would not recognise they have the right to have their application assessed by the membership committee when this is not the case and the committee itself (according to the bylaws) is supposed to assess applications on a case by case basis and are granted the overriding say on the outcome of each application because of that. This practice has very likely introduced a systematic error into the membership application data, which could mislead the unweary not only on the acceptance/rejection ratio, but the contribution which amounts to something non-trivial too (which relates to the concerns raised at the very start of this thread). Things have easily become convoluted and inconsistent, with some saying six months some saying two and others not knowing at all. Who's to say next year the bar won't change again in some other new way? While these sorts of changes can be made by committees or in other discussions held outside of this mailing list, anything seems possible. Magdalen --089e0141a462f83d04050f5f15db Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

>> One of the main requirements of gaining
>> Foundation Membership is being active within the community for a >> little while *after* the internship has ended to demonstrate the f= act
>> there's a real interest staying around and contributing to the=
>> Project.
>
>
> This is a practice which completely contradicts the bylaws definition = a
> contributor who is eligible for membership.
>
>=C2=A0 * All contributors have made a significant contribution (BYLAW)<= br> >
>=C2=A0 * All contributors are eligible for membership (BYLAW)
>
>=C2=A0 * Some interns have made a significant contribution over their i= nternship
>
>=C2=A0 * No interns are eligible for membership
>
> This does not make sense.

As Germ=C3=A1n correctly pointed out the Bylaws were written before = any
internship program ever started within the GNOME Project.

And as I correctly pointed out ;-), this does not make any d= ifference. The bylaws were last amended in 2012. Requesting an amendment to= the bylaws takes 21 days to process once the BoD (or the person requesting= it) have published the request on the foundation list so that the response= s can be tallied.=C2=A0

While the=C2= =A0Bylaws define what the main requirements for gaining Foundation
Membership are they also mention "Membership will be determined on a case-by-case basis, at the sole discretion of the Board and
Membership Committee" (Article VI, section 6.1). So what we have here<= br> is a set of requirements the Bylaws strictly require the applicant to
possess for the membership to be actually granted while leaving the
Membership Committee the required discretion to process a certain
application. This leaves me out with one main question: how far can
the Committee go when reviewing a certain application? can the
Committee introduce additional "requirements" (during one of its<= br> meetings and with a regular vote) for a membership to be accepted in
absence of particular references on the Bylaws themselves (like in the
case of interns or GSoC students for example)?

It's clear the Bylaws probably need an update on this side and ideally<= br> part of the "what to do in case the Bylaws do not mention how peculiar=
cases (such as interns) should be handled" should be delegated to the<= br> Committee that should come up with a set of policy and guidelines
widely accepted by the membership. I'll make sure the following item will be discussed on the next or future Board meetings.

>> The rationale behind this decision is mainly related to the
>> fact a good number of interns stopped contributing right after the= ir
>> internship ended and it was clear to us their intent wasn't st= icking
>> around the community nor they probably were passionate about our >> project to justify staying around some more. We found extending th= e
>> contributions period (usually one or two months) for interns the b= est
>> solution to build a membership base made of people who really love= and
>> care deeply about the project and the values it promotes.
>
>
> The bylaws do not say anything about a contribution period (and I had = not
> heard of it before myself either, to be honest). However, they do expl= icitly
> state that individuals who should get credit for their contributions (= not
> the corporations who pay them), the same as ordinary volunteers might.=
> Either sponsored contributions are as valuable as ones that aren't=
> sponsored, or they aren't: The bylaws say that they are... If ther= e is an
> exception being made in the case of some interns then that seems quite=
> significant.
>
> The bylaws do not say anything about what might motivate contributors = to
> contribute, nor their level of commitment to GNOME, when it defines a<= br> > "contributor" in terms of foundation membership but it does = fairly clearly
> describe about what a "contributor" is. The main thing that = is unclear in
> the bylaws is what defines a "non-trivial contribution" real= ly and this
> becomes even more confusing because the practice is to state that all<= br> > interns who make contribution from 40 hour weeks over a period of 3 mo= nths
> are not eligible until they contribute more stuff.

Stating the fact interns contributions aren't enough for them to= join
the GNOME Foundation is out of discussion here. It's clear their
contributions are non-trivial enough for the Membership Committee to
grant the membership right after checking all the references listed on
the application. When an internship comes to an end I can think of two
possible natural consequences: one being the person applying for
membership and the other being the intern leaving the project and
moving to something else. The rationale behind choosing any of the
above consequences is strictly subjective to the individual. There
might be interns who never heard of what a FOSS project aimed to and
what it was about before joining OPW and at the end of the journey the
values of freedom we pursue were shared by the intern itself. Or there
might be interns who weren't attracted by the FOSS movement, by GNOME or its eco-system and decided to step back and leave the project.

The two months (seems there was some fuss between the six and the two
months period, I can confirm the period is two months as per [1])
extended contributions period we introduced was mainly there to find
out whether a previous intern really wanted to stick around the
project even by participating to IRC or mailing list discussions of
the project the person contributed to during the internship, for
example.

In that case, Marina why had y= ou come to believe that the membership committee told you 6 months? Why did= the membership committee not point out it wasn't six months after she = published her post to the mailing list, either?

It= seems unlikely that Marina plucked 6 months out of thin air... She's s= aid the "problem" only arose after she had recommended that some = interns should apply and indicated that the membership committee had respon= ded badly to that: What do you have to say about that?

I'm honestly struggling to find out what kind of probl= em would be
delaying a membership application by two months.

If you want to stick by this decision and believe that it has the sup= port of the community, then what is the problem with proposing an amendment= to the bylaws for it and stating the reasons for it in that proposal? In t= he meantime, let's review some of the problems which arise from not doi= ng that, since there are wider implications here:

= GNOME is not a complete meritocracy. It is meant to be representative of th= e community of contributors (*cough* as the bylaws define them - and that&#= 39;s why they define them). Changes to the definition of an eligible member= which override the bylaws can affect the outcome of member elections/refer= endums and this the most obvious reason why in cases where a blanket except= ion is to be made to address a perceived problem related to membership ille= gibility for a particular group, that it follows that the evidence for maki= ng that exception should be compelling, the relevant amendment should be pr= oposed to the list in the appropriate way and then agreed via the list, bef= ore being implemented rather than whatever has lead us here. Really, what a= bout this has been so urgent about this issue that it could not possibly wa= it 21 days to resolve it one way or another?

As re= gards comments on Outreachy internships (which seem to have clearly been ci= ted a lot more in defence of this new practice, than GSoC); this is an inte= rnship specifically developed to address an identified problem of inclusive= ness for under-represented minorities in FOSS and it is heavily associated = with GNOME so, it's worth emphasising that one of the barriers which wo= men are particularly likely to face in general, is that they are more likel= y to be told that their work has less value than someone else's, when t= hat is not actually the case.=C2=A0=C2=A0A number of members here have indi= cated that interns are actually making non-trivial contributions, so on tha= t basis would you not agree with the principle that applying a less favoura= ble membership illegibility criteria for these interns in particular than f= or everybody else, sends out a somewhat contradictory message to the commun= ity about GNOME's commitment to equality? Moreover, if it is actually t= he case that this idea was a response to the applications from=C2=A0Outreac= hy (formally OPW)=C2=A0internships (as the comments on this thread are begi= nning to suggest), then we really do have problem.

As mentioned in response to the initial concern that was raised at the sta= rt of this thread, an intern who is eligible for membership would not recog= nise they have the right to have their application assessed by the membersh= ip committee when this is not the case and the committee itself (according = to the bylaws) is supposed to assess applications on a case by case basis a= nd are granted the overriding say on the outcome of each application becaus= e of that. This practice has very likely introduced a systematic error into= the membership application data, which could mislead the unweary not only = on the acceptance/rejection ratio, but the contribution which amounts to so= mething non-trivial too (which relates to the concerns raised at the very s= tart of this thread). Things have easily become convoluted and inconsistent= , with some saying six months some saying two and others not knowing at all= . Who's to say next year the bar won't change again in some other n= ew way? While these sorts of changes can be made by committees or in other = discussions held outside of this mailing list, anything seems possible.
=

Magdalen

--089e0141a462f83d04050f5f15db-- From m.berns@thismagpie.com Wed Feb 18 16:27:46 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 142CC76955 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 16:27:46 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NXtkO9xQEkla for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 16:27:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yh0-f53.google.com (mail-yh0-f53.google.com [209.85.213.53]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 442A4760A5 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 16:27:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yhl29 with SMTP id 29so1486673yhl.0 for ; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 08:27:33 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=vmGKH2jiguEBiDuDgC0hK242XaqaKh3WaQXKH6q+aW8=; b=OXxT9j3S9547KplkCvNwDqisL/UrGvyTqarMTtnCqkQ4Ea8JvXMr/QeG0Dl52TOhDZ cTlw8gXXTzJ3KZPUHlDDQQDm4kWw3ZG3yDKB5ACtxDOMz1IkM2SB7hOceZO02NOgwhiP Bdh2YS6duV2cxvtyMx2w5XFmoSodA3KEfBjSr+K42Yk0hgYjjSaj8CsAKfRqIsHz0rDU 4UQWlxviDU/ufkN5NXg1Y2EqrQpK2xADVPdDNy8cezTcCHNQ2Dn2vsDH8C/t3zlC2gRK +attHki9Ly6PxSq2bE5EIcdoyyMIsoMhO4BNyQnddjZeikj6GxZRhoCHyE+/xLRK/EY2 dQnQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQn3SFfLnzSkA/Ngh71k8rWNT/fyemcIZiVrwGz+R47ibx9atxS26bx1GKFuu5tJWQTTwM2t MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.236.29.101 with SMTP id h65mr3170764yha.169.1424276853287; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 08:27:33 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.170.71.69 with HTTP; Wed, 18 Feb 2015 08:27:33 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [82.43.96.190] In-Reply-To: References: <1421275245.9171.0@smtp.googlemail.com> <20150217173125.GK4822@cryptobitch.de>

Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 16:27:33 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Privacy campaign funds From: Magdalen Berns To: Ekaterina Gerasimova Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0141a462e6fcec050f5f4b8f Cc: GNOME Foundation X-BeenThere: foundation-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion relating to the GNOME Foundation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2015 16:27:46 -0000 --089e0141a462e6fcec050f5f4b8f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > >> > A while back we ran a $20K privacy campaign. A while later there was a > >> > discussion about what to do with the funds. Did we ever decide what to > >> > do with these? > >> Nope. > >> I proposed to fund interns to work on security and privacy related > >> projects > >> but the idea was rejected. > > > > This seems like a nice idea. Why was it rejected? > > It was not rejected, it was accepted. The vote to use some of the > money for an OPW intern passed on the 11th November 2014. At the end, > it didn't matter because Marina was able to find an external sponsor > for that intern. > I don't want to speak for Tobias but I think it is fair to assume in this case that he was suggesting that "accepting" his idea would have involved agreeing to spend at least some the money on interns - which seems like a nice idea! What are the other ideas on how to spend this money? Magdalen --089e0141a462e6fcec050f5f4b8f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

>> > A while back we ran a $20K privacy cam= paign. A while later there was a
>> > discussion about what to do with the funds. Did we ever decid= e what to
>> > do with these?
>> Nope.
>> I proposed to fund interns to work on security and privacy related=
>> projects
>> but the idea was rejected.
>
> This seems like a nice idea. Why was it rejected?

It was not rejected, it was accepted. The vote to use some of t= he
money for an OPW intern passed on the 11th November 2014. At the end,
it didn't matter because Marina was able to find an external sponsor for that intern.

I don't want to sp= eak for Tobias but I think it is fair to assume in this case that he was su= ggesting that "accepting" his idea would have involved agreeing t= o spend at least some the money on interns - which seems like a nice idea! = What are the other ideas on how to spend this money?

Magdalen

On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Alexandre Franke &l= t;alexandre= .franke@gmail.com> wrote:

<= span class=3D"">On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 12:19 AM, Luciana Fujii <luciana@fujii.eti.br> wrote:
> - What is the impact of having people joining the Foundation and
> vanishing later?

They gain voting ability when they shouldn't. The board should b= e
elected by people who are involved with the community. Members of the
foundation should be members of the community.

> - Do people that don't intend to continue contributing to GNOME ac= tually
> apply to GNOME Foundation? If yes, why would they do that?

Interns are told at the end of the internship that becoming a member=
should be their aim. It should indeed be their aim, but this implies
that they should do what's necessary to deserve this, i.e. becoming
and staying involved.

> why bother with special ruling this and risking potential problems?
The membership can correct me if I'm wrong, but one thing that&#= 39;s not
been said so far is that the "N months before accepting a member"= is
not really special to interns. Sure it seems it's only written for
them, but if someone were to apply after one month of involvement
(with or without paid incentive) I'm pretty sure the membership
committee (MC) would think it's too soon too.

Who said anything about one month? An internship takes 3 months. An= internship plus this waiting period is 5 months.

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From: Magdalen Berns To: Luciana Fujii Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1132f5ecc41eec050facfa29 Cc: GNOME Foundation X-BeenThere: foundation-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion relating to the GNOME Foundation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 13:08:32 -0000 --001a1132f5ecc41eec050facfa29 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > Keep it simple. The point is to check whether asking for 2 extra > > months of involvement to internship is based on solid ground, no only > > perception or anecdotes, as you claimed it is done. The archives with > > the decisions are public as well. > > Sorry for prolonging this thread, but if we are trying to answer > questions I would like to know if people have considerations about this: > Firstly, neither you nor anyone else her should be made to feel like you need to apologise for exercising the privileges which are granted to all member on this list, equally. - What is the impact of having people joining the Foundation and > vanishing later? > - Do people that don't intend to continue contributing to GNOME actually > apply to GNOME Foundation? If yes, why would they do that? > This is a really good question. I've started looking at the membership list data now and although the information is not very forthcoming so it may take some time to compile, early results are beginning to indicate that a higher proportion of active contributors were previously interns at some time or another. One of the most notable differences which seems to become apparent early on between members who are past interns and other kinds of members is that the former group don't seem to show a tendency of becoming affiliated with any large sponsoring corporations very soon after their internships have ended i.e. a higher proportion of past interns seem to be unaffiliated volunteers. This could indicate there may be some conflict of interest in granting these people membership privileges including voting rights, but we'll have to wait and see until more of the data has been collected. I think those are important questions because if people vanish after the > end of the internship but they don't apply at all, this probably doesn't > require special handling from the membership committee. And if that > happens sometimes, if it doesn't cause any issue, again, why bother with > special ruling this and risking potential problems? > Again, a brilliant question. On the face of it this seems to be purely about reducing paper work for the membership committee (i.e. fewer applications means less work for them). However there are clearly some implications which affect our democratic processes. The question of whether we have a justifiable reason to take steps like this to deny this group of people a vote or not on the basis we worry they might not use it, is an important one because that does not objectively make sense. Clearly, the extra paper work shouldn't be a factor in decisions like this. Thanks for your input. Magdalen --001a1132f5ecc41eec050facfa29 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

> Keep it simple. The point = is to check whether asking for 2 extra
> months of involvement to internship is based on solid ground, no only<= br> > perception or anecdotes, as you claimed it is done. The archives with<= br> > the decisions are public as well.

Sorry for prolonging this thread, but if we are trying to answer
questions I would like to know if people have considerations about this:

Firstly, neither you nor anyone else her = should be made to feel like you need to apologise for exercising the privil= eges which are granted to all member on this list, equally.

<= /div>

- What is the impact of having people joining the Foundation and
vanishing later?
- Do people that don't intend to continue contributing to GNOME actuall= y
apply to GNOME Foundation? If yes, why would they do that?

This is a really good question.

I've started looking at the membership list data now and although the= information is not very forthcoming so it may take some time to compile, e= arly results are beginning to indicate that a higher proportion of active c= ontributors were previously interns at some time or another.

One of the most notable differences which seems to become appare= nt early on between members who are past interns and other kinds of members= is that the former group don't seem to show a tendency of becoming aff= iliated with any large sponsoring corporations very soon after their intern= ships have ended i.e. a higher proportion of past interns seem to be unaffi= liated volunteers. This could indicate there may be some conflict of intere= st in granting these people membership privileges including voting rights, = but we'll have to wait and see until more of the data has been collecte= d.

I think those are important questions because if people vanish after the end of the internship but they don't apply at all, this probably doesn&= #39;t
require special handling from the membership committee. And if that
happens sometimes, if it doesn't cause any issue, again, why bother wit= h
special ruling this and risking potential problems?

Again, a brilliant question. On the face of it this seems to b= e purely about reducing paper work for the membership committee (i.e. fewer= applications means less work for them). However there are clearly some imp= lications which affect our democratic processes. The question of whether we= have a justifiable reason to take steps like this to deny this group of pe= ople a vote or not on the basis we worry they might not use it, is an impor= tant one because that does not objectively make sense. Clearly, the extra p= aper work shouldn't be a factor in decisions like this.

<= /div>

Thanks for your input.

Magdalen

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From: Magdalen Berns To: Luciana Fujii Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ff1cd34cac7da050fad292a Cc: GNOME Foundation X-BeenThere: foundation-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion relating to the GNOME Foundation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 13:21:47 -0000 --e89a8ff1cd34cac7da050fad292a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Keep it simple. The point is to check whether asking for 2 extra >> > months of involvement to internship is based on solid ground, no only >> > perception or anecdotes, as you claimed it is done. The archives with >> > the decisions are public as well. >> >> Sorry for prolonging this thread, but if we are trying to answer >> questions I would like to know if people have considerations about this: >> > > Firstly, neither you nor anyone else her should be made to feel like you > need to apologise for exercising the privileges which are granted to all > member on this list, equally. > > - What is the impact of having people joining the Foundation and >> vanishing later? >> - Do people that don't intend to continue contributing to GNOME actually >> apply to GNOME Foundation? If yes, why would they do that? >> > > This is a really good question. > > I've started looking at the membership list data now and although the > information is not very forthcoming so it may take some time to compile, > early results are beginning to indicate that a higher proportion of active > contributors were previously interns at some time or another. > > One of the most notable differences which seems to become apparent early > on between members who are past interns and other kinds of members is that > the former group don't seem to show a tendency of becoming affiliated with > any large sponsoring corporations very soon after their internships have > ended i.e. a higher proportion of past interns seem to be unaffiliated > volunteers. > Further to that point another notable difference between former interns which I should have mentioned (although this concern has already been raised earlier on in the thread) and other kinds of members seems to be gender which may be here relevant too. In the UK (and most of Europe, I believe) it is unlawful to apply blanket practices which could specifically cause greater detriment to those who have protected characteristics than anyone else (gender is of course, a protected characteristic in the eyes of UK law). I cannot say whether or not this is the case in the USA or not though. This could indicate there may be some conflict of interest in granting > these people membership privileges including voting rights, but we'll have > to wait and see until more of the data has been collected. > > I think those are important questions because if people vanish after the >> end of the internship but they don't apply at all, this probably doesn't >> require special handling from the membership committee. And if that >> happens sometimes, if it doesn't cause any issue, again, why bother with >> special ruling this and risking potential problems? >> > > Again, a brilliant question. On the face of it this seems to be purely > about reducing paper work for the membership committee (i.e. fewer > applications means less work for them). However there are clearly some > implications which affect our democratic processes. The question of whether > we have a justifiable reason to take steps like this to deny this group of > people a vote or not on the basis we worry they might not use it, is an > important one because that does not objectively make sense. Clearly, the > extra paper work shouldn't be a factor in decisions like this. > > Thanks for your input. > > Magdalen > > --e89a8ff1cd34cac7da050fad292a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

> Keep it simple. T= he point is to check whether asking for 2 extra
> months of involvement to internship is based on solid ground, no only<= br> > perception or anecdotes, as you claimed it is done. The archives with<= br> > the decisions are public as well.

Sorry for prolonging this thread, but if we are trying to answer
questions I would like to know if people have considerations about this:

Firstly, neither you nor anyone el= se her should be made to feel like you need to apologise for exercising the= privileges which are granted to all member on this list, equally.

- What is the impact of having people joining the Foundation and
vanishing later?
- Do people that don't intend to continue contributing to GNOME actuall= y
apply to GNOME Foundation? If yes, why would they do that?
=

This is a really good question.

I've started looking at the membership list data now and altho= ugh the information is not very forthcoming so it may take some time to com= pile, early results are beginning to indicate that a higher proportion of a= ctive contributors were previously interns at some time or another.

One of the most notable differences which seems to become= apparent early on between members who are past interns and other kinds of = members is that the former group don't seem to show a tendency of becom= ing affiliated with any large sponsoring corporations very soon after their= internships have ended i.e. a higher proportion of past interns seem to be= unaffiliated volunteers.

Further to that point another notable difference between former int= erns which I should have mentioned (although this concern has already been = raised earlier on in the thread) and other kinds of members seems to be gen= der which may be here relevant too.

In the UK (and= most of Europe, I believe) it is unlawful to apply blanket practices which= could specifically cause greater detriment to those who have protected cha= racteristics than anyone else (gender is of course, a protected characteris= tic in the eyes of UK law). I cannot say whether or not this is the case in= the USA or not though.=C2=A0

This co= uld indicate there may be some conflict of interest in granting these peopl= e membership privileges including voting rights, but we'll have to wait= and see until more of the data has been collected.
<= div>
I think those are important questions because if people vanish after the end of the internship but they don't apply at all, this probably doesn&= #39;t
require special handling from the membership committee. And if that
happens sometimes, if it doesn't cause any issue, again, why bother wit= h
special ruling this and risking potential problems?
Again, a brilliant question. On the face of it this see= ms to be purely about reducing paper work for the membership committee (i.e= . fewer applications means less work for them). However there are clearly s= ome implications which affect our democratic processes. The question of whe= ther we have a justifiable reason to take steps like this to deny this grou= p of people a vote or not on the basis we worry they might not use it, is a= n important one because that does not objectively make sense. Clearly, the = extra paper work shouldn't be a factor in decisions like this.

Thanks for your input.

Magdalen

--e89a8ff1cd34cac7da050fad292a-- From ebassi@gmail.com Sun Feb 22 13:26:21 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C140876AC7 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2015 13:26:21 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lPu2Iojyy-WX for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2015 13:26:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qc0-f182.google.com (mail-qc0-f182.google.com [209.85.216.182]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D33776AAE for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2015 13:26:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qczc9 with SMTP id c9so7462956qcz.5 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2015 05:26:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=/CTP9QG7iOUa9F4XOKwS5gLl7KODgFcLoM/0BZrcYjA=; b=VcCK1UsBb6mQJibc+rNX0JQiatR/zxc6fz8kvp7G6vxD206CftAuBDOCTL4XQf8hiO TaOCQRYpVpW1NBW1PHRzAQi5SD58Lm+YdBU+g18V0dX8M6qcYt5wW5XzI1p/cEgLomAF 7qp8IR+Y7STUlC1nLdiPC+FuZccNwpP2vFpSeqa16TxLQBvXzqh+jDIXj4ZxQ5LE8YyR GO00iTkQtMSCIb/r3J4LqSB/tYTTjvICZzns3J9/cz39fvvDAybLMAIa8iLjx9vAkOQo YM4ndBbJPXwyhdDBgVio6Vbz2rFQH/aRk5ej6G4a6U0zphYU3FhZmuTll6QI7pTrXq1F Yrng== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.140.27.229 with SMTP id 92mr14276390qgx.64.1424611578638; Sun, 22 Feb 2015 05:26:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.140.167.195 with HTTP; Sun, 22 Feb 2015 05:26:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1423809173.23087.6.camel@gnome.org> <1423822750.14454.0.camel@gnome.org> <20150213121659.GB24206@bkor.dhs.org> <20150213144713.GA6145@bkor.dhs.org> <20150217161705.GE14403@bkor.dhs.org> <20150219131149.GB30771@bkor.dhs.org> <1424359663.25161.3.camel@gnome.org> <1424363923.25161.6.camel@gnome.org> <1424367560.25161.9.camel@gnome.org> <54E9128A.9050601@fujii.eti.br> Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 13:26:18 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: foundation application.. From: Emmanuele Bassi To: Magdalen Berns Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: GNOME Foundation X-BeenThere: foundation-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion relating to the GNOME Foundation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 13:26:21 -0000 Hi; On 22 February 2015 at 13:08, Magdalen Berns wrote: > On the face of it this seems to be purely about > reducing paper work for the membership committee (i.e. fewer applications > means less work for them). On the face of it, this statement is fairly offensive for the membership committee. You've read the email that Andrea sent about the reasons of the membership committee, and I'm sure there's no part of that email that says that the "buffer period" is there to reduce the committee's workload. I'm sure that's not your intention, but you should probably find a better way to word it. Ciao, Emmanuele. -- https://www.bassi.io [@] ebassi [@gmail.com] From m.berns@thismagpie.com Sun Feb 22 13:55:58 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B65976AAE for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2015 13:55:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s2rC0XF-uOEo for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2015 13:55:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yk0-f169.google.com (mail-yk0-f169.google.com [209.85.160.169]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E455768C1 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2015 13:55:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yk0-f169.google.com with SMTP id 79so11100921ykr.0 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2015 05:55:45 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=uNkv2WRhEZRmiQ7UpdV3osAArTVWzm29FJB24dqYMVw=; b=Oiz8wFppEiBya6oF7VO51daJIZ07RDpBxUS8me16fHz5Hzycyjeg/bT0N2kaIfsqvY ak+dd8bGrd36QHWJt5nGtWgMujwZuqEc7aVh0cJX0cyqkOyiHpz7su+fZCg4UObtniMF YRyKKjR719//rrZfXBid0FZkMvaBS0xq9mRmCaRiPy2U+t3U2g9YPmoU6Eoz/1EBjz1w nJ0wXbeCiaiQsV3Htdna8bU/wPlCpEBFIughkAjEEYOs9NBraqoV/TkoUPMN7t+JaNhJ o0JPlQFoqDRbH12X/Ai4GAiaQuAuvNlGSQDKVZRXSTb4WhDc/IlOSKkJBI2LXH5ke1Z0 ypQQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnaD1Tu1E2WLAVXkbWuDuc5KIgZSUkkPOwcBRhfoqRfSVN7fmYc7ih91zvj4RAwRjcvxMQ9 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.236.19.100 with SMTP id m64mr5812174yhm.11.1424613345687; Sun, 22 Feb 2015 05:55:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.170.71.69 with HTTP; Sun, 22 Feb 2015 05:55:45 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [82.43.96.190] In-Reply-To: References: <1423809173.23087.6.camel@gnome.org> <1423822750.14454.0.camel@gnome.org> <20150213121659.GB24206@bkor.dhs.org> <20150213144713.GA6145@bkor.dhs.org> <20150217161705.GE14403@bkor.dhs.org> <20150219131149.GB30771@bkor.dhs.org> <1424359663.25161.3.camel@gnome.org> <1424363923.25161.6.camel@gnome.org> <1424367560.25161.9.camel@gnome.org> <54E9128A.9050601@fujii.eti.br> Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 13:55:45 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: foundation application.. From: Magdalen Berns To: Emmanuele Bassi Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ff1cd3469ab48050fada4e8 Cc: GNOME Foundation X-BeenThere: foundation-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion relating to the GNOME Foundation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 13:55:58 -0000 --e89a8ff1cd3469ab48050fada4e8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > On the face of it this seems to be purely about > > reducing paper work for the membership committee (i.e. fewer applications > > means less work for them). > > On the face of it, this statement is fairly offensive for the > membership committee. You've read the email that Andrea sent about the > reasons of the membership committee, and I'm sure there's no part of > that email that says that the "buffer period" is there to reduce the > committee's workload. > I'm sure that's not your intention, but you should probably find a > better way to word it. > It is not my intention to cause offence and objectively that statement that seems a lot less controversial than any of the alternative theories for what else could motivates the committees decision which is one reason I figured it was worth pointing out. This could be as innocent as that. Personally do not believe that it is, but it could be... Had you considered how offensive the statement that committees decision makes itself, may be to the contributions that interns make before you decided that statement was offensive to the people imposing it? Magdalen --e89a8ff1cd3469ab48050fada4e8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

> On the face of it this seems to be purel= y about
> reducing paper work for the membership committee (i.e. fewer applicati= ons
> means less work for them).

On the face of it, this statement is fairly offensive for the
membership committee.

You've read the em= ail that Andrea sent about the
reasons of the membership committee, and I'm sure there's no part o= f
that email that says that the "buffer period" is there to reduce = the
committee's workload.=C2=A0

I'm sure that's not your intention, but you should probably find a<= br> better way to word it.

It is not my int= ention to cause offence and objectively that statement that seems a lot les= s controversial than any of the alternative theories for what else could mo= tivates the committees decision which is one reason I figured it was worth = pointing out. This could be as innocent as that. Personally do not believe = that it is, but it could be...

Had you considered = how offensive the statement that committees decision makes itself, may be t= o the contributions that interns make before you decided that statement was= offensive to the people imposing it?

Magdalen

--e89a8ff1cd3469ab48050fada4e8-- From muelli@cryptobitch.de Sun Feb 22 14:58:16 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6504E76AAE for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2015 14:58:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JCyAD2JTwBFC for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2015 14:58:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail.cryptobitch.de (cryptobitch.de [88.198.7.68]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FF65768C1 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2015 14:57:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.cryptobitch.de (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C6B9185FB5E; Sun, 22 Feb 2015 15:57:56 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 15:57:56 +0100 From: Tobias Mueller To: Alexandre Franke Subject: Re: foundation application.. Message-ID: <20150222145756.GD4822@cryptobitch.de> References: <20150219131149.GB30771@bkor.dhs.org> <1424359663.25161.3.camel@gnome.org> <1424363923.25161.6.camel@gnome.org> <1424367560.25161.9.camel@gnome.org> <54E9128A.9050601@fujii.eti.br> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.22 (2013-10-16) Cc: Foundation List X-BeenThere: foundation-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion relating to the GNOME Foundation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 14:58:16 -0000 On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 11:33:19AM +0100, Alexandre Franke wrote: > On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 12:19 AM, Luciana Fujii wrote: > > - What is the impact of having people joining the Foundation and > > vanishing later? > > They gain voting ability when they shouldn't. The board should be > elected by people who are involved with the community. Members of the > foundation should be members of the community. Absolutely correct. > > why bother with special ruling this and risking potential problems? > > The membership can correct me if I'm wrong, but one thing that's not > been said so far is that the "N months before accepting a member" is > not really special to interns. Also correct. Cheers, Tobi From m.berns@thismagpie.com Sun Feb 22 15:33:13 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C47A276AC2 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2015 15:33:13 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iLlh9wHvFwnP for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2015 15:33:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yk0-f172.google.com (mail-yk0-f172.google.com [209.85.160.172]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFE1476AAE for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2015 15:33:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yk0-f172.google.com with SMTP id 131so11179903ykp.3 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2015 07:33:00 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Ons0zvN1TVu0fZyo+1A0jlBDfVJjN98SjYd6OhSjPKU=; b=UT8o+Z2w2KsO+JZ9jyr6W26k2omiENIkigMjrxDTCQ8XZQkU3yGZRtI0YsZRRbKTZu tKKnrKgjfgvh01zmkCstRtvFyyZfLWZYLoZFy8hzrREygUt/YNFJiQ2bUwZ2S+pQ+rmZ 5i0QzneOsbuaSBK5JjAJ/lk1ZT231eIHcDavcEoo+CmjWcglcmypXGR6+NV/hQg+Mqrg ALUix+tZD8Sid6RQTF7b1dEDU4zVYcZqKPtdZltfVPoVisDPxO7zh9ypKRs1RC4RBg9Z UstCzVCoTv+MhjUL5VRDgJ4dvBRF800tvsTpwNx4Y3l3/Eaa9oBdvrSqsgpOAHzocunV 0OVQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmnFk3vTKNc8e1tj6lXRQz/rDBJ1cSLLsmcLnAZ2SHL+lAG+Kg1cMBYuIarseld/YnPKVM6 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.170.111.76 with SMTP id d73mr7019768ykb.57.1424619180584; Sun, 22 Feb 2015 07:33:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.170.71.69 with HTTP; Sun, 22 Feb 2015 07:33:00 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [82.43.96.190] In-Reply-To: <20150222145756.GD4822@cryptobitch.de> References: <20150219131149.GB30771@bkor.dhs.org> <1424359663.25161.3.camel@gnome.org> <1424363923.25161.6.camel@gnome.org> <1424367560.25161.9.camel@gnome.org> <54E9128A.9050601@fujii.eti.br> <20150222145756.GD4822@cryptobitch.de> Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 15:33:00 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: foundation application.. From: Magdalen Berns To: Tobias Mueller Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1137d97e330856050faf0050 Cc: Foundation List X-BeenThere: foundation-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion relating to the GNOME Foundation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 15:33:13 -0000 --001a1137d97e330856050faf0050 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > The membership can correct me if I'm wrong, but one thing that's not > > been said so far is that the "N months before accepting a member" is > > not really special to interns. > Also correct. > In that case, what is the period of time is considered acceptable for non-interns to have contributed for before they make an application, then? --001a1137d97e330856050faf0050 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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--001a1137d97e330856050faf0050-- From alexandre.franke@gmail.com Sun Feb 22 19:22:14 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D42EE76A9B for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2015 19:22:14 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ejg8QLXi1maj for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2015 19:22:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wg0-f46.google.com (mail-wg0-f46.google.com [74.125.82.46]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FAB9768C1 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2015 19:22:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wg0-f46.google.com with SMTP id a1so22009111wgh.5 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2015 11:22:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=2mz89O9WTwWYeYNo3TIogwlOshQgZb1R4ICRyMq+hr0=; b=cTAT5lxHT1KqVrkb+iYxXNAgcoux9g0f81tPZTOkyQzeCsi+dTPzLnmrQxUlkF18k2 j+TgoOwZsS+Q6mLIh1Q+bFmH0BpRVxLjLvAn2VOoLQx0szM2iwwfn6+nKad/W88gV4q8 MAjtKpr3+VX8ed0MD9DAB/P4HWRbn+nnk2Rn9fDgAqqLmZBFKQq3WvvUVM2Wo/zps2j1 PPVqKjQjmTxThhWbp6LFzFbcGjOjD9zbgYTRWOKJqaM81hSfVQpZUK9nyOzt/ZjyQKYu k1UoPW7Jc4ln084xcHTi5TfqSOG51Y7NVSIviAGZsPf+8i9wG10a7lSvwBTVwpP5dsx4 KQfw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.195.12.97 with SMTP id ep1mr15646720wjd.134.1424632920713; Sun, 22 Feb 2015 11:22:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.195.13.170 with HTTP; Sun, 22 Feb 2015 11:22:00 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20150219131149.GB30771@bkor.dhs.org> <1424359663.25161.3.camel@gnome.org> <1424363923.25161.6.camel@gnome.org> <1424367560.25161.9.camel@gnome.org> <54E9128A.9050601@fujii.eti.br> <20150222145756.GD4822@cryptobitch.de> Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 20:22:00 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: foundation application.. From: Alexandre Franke To: Foundation List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: foundation-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion relating to the GNOME Foundation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 19:22:14 -0000 On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 12:06 PM, Magdalen Berns wrote: > On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Alexandre Franke > wrote: >> The membership can correct me if I'm wrong, but one thing that's not >> been said so far is that the "N months before accepting a member" is >> not really special to interns. Sure it seems it's only written for >> them, but if someone were to apply after one month of involvement >> (with or without paid incentive) I'm pretty sure the membership >> committee (MC) would think it's too soon too. > > Who said anything about one month? An internship takes 3 months. An > internship plus this waiting period is 5 months. I did. I said one month, just as I could have said two, three, four, or even five months. My point was precisely that contribution on a short period don't constitute sufficient evidence of a person's involvement within the community. >>> The membership can correct me if I'm wrong, but one thing that's not >>> been said so far is that the "N months before accepting a member" is >>> not really special to interns. >> >> Also correct. > > In that case, what is the period of time is considered acceptable for > non-interns to have contributed for before they make an application, then? That's why I said that it should be at the MC's discretion. Setting a hard rule for this is silly. Saying that someone contributing for six months is not ok, but something contributing for six months and a day is ok is silly. The MC should use their good judgment for the period of time, just as they do with everything else. -- Alexandre Franke From m.berns@thismagpie.com Sun Feb 22 20:26:07 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A4E976A9B for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2015 20:26:07 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sxBFNJEU0MmV for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2015 20:26:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yk0-f174.google.com (mail-yk0-f174.google.com [209.85.160.174]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57A8F768C1 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2015 20:25:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yk0-f174.google.com with SMTP id 9so11527363ykp.5 for ; Sun, 22 Feb 2015 12:25:52 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Mu0tZ8jkgbHY7TEDvlp5wtXUc5iDv8Zzr0qnnf9d17A=; b=MKEfXIF/on+pN6HUB88wlQkJfl7zGJEzFnPYeMUYsn2J27/nnV6OwdC5EjoeqF3IGP glStrgyg4k8OEYzfCz18zird9Aw6fnaEb9iIakYhjrJ6kqdKO/2J9A7wCCNqRjnsPI7T Nh7YxzOGn1nWpJPHt1f3wQiDFZPVC8IRttbAimXGGB4uyDS7EwmEojOg6vVRGfXTvxQh ZEIgKOxOnB0cYIeFjzcwhiGNInwo8d7NTTPqyDsB5NwPDl1KxfXw1AzuORRHEYncMYBL HsDT3W6+zbIMcEavNG0L2shk6kFM7DTFp8fX8DFh1DBpjihBHZrXdvaOdgwCYIaJKcFa S8Vw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmkKEHLuFfbbz3BmN+MQD+/xH8DgXCgh7MeaI9/jA0vLgXPLkJlVtyZN0b7COpr9cjwAby7 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.236.19.100 with SMTP id m64mr6923431yhm.11.1424636752297; Sun, 22 Feb 2015 12:25:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.170.71.69 with HTTP; Sun, 22 Feb 2015 12:25:51 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [82.43.96.190] In-Reply-To: References: <20150219131149.GB30771@bkor.dhs.org> <1424359663.25161.3.camel@gnome.org> <1424363923.25161.6.camel@gnome.org> <1424367560.25161.9.camel@gnome.org> <54E9128A.9050601@fujii.eti.br> <20150222145756.GD4822@cryptobitch.de>

Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 20:25:51 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: foundation application.. From: Magdalen Berns To: Alexandre Franke Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ff1cd348e15f0050fb317b2 Cc: Foundation List X-BeenThere: foundation-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion relating to the GNOME Foundation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 20:26:07 -0000 --e89a8ff1cd348e15f0050fb317b2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 7:22 PM, Alexandre Franke < alexandre.franke@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 12:06 PM, Magdalen Berns > wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Alexandre Franke > > wrote: > >> The membership can correct me if I'm wrong, but one thing that's not > >> been said so far is that the "N months before accepting a member" is > >> not really special to interns. Sure it seems it's only written for > >> them, but if someone were to apply after one month of involvement > >> (with or without paid incentive) I'm pretty sure the membership > >> committee (MC) would think it's too soon too. > > > > Who said anything about one month? An internship takes 3 months. An > > internship plus this waiting period is 5 months. > > I did. I said one month, just as I could have said two, three, four, > or even five months. My point was precisely that contribution on a > short period don't constitute sufficient evidence of a person's > involvement within the community. > > >>> The membership can correct me if I'm wrong, but one thing that's not > >>> been said so far is that the "N months before accepting a member" is > >>> not really special to interns. > >> > >> Also correct. > > > > In that case, what is the period of time is considered acceptable for > > non-interns to have contributed for before they make an application, > then? > > That's why I said that it should be at the MC's discretion. Setting a > hard rule for this is silly. Saying that someone contributing for six > months is not ok, but something contributing for six months and a day > is ok is silly. The MC should use their good judgment for the period > of time, just as they do with everything else. Well I can't disagree with the principle behind what you say, (that a hard rule for how long a person should wait to apply shouldn't be set) but the reality is that a hard rule is being set for interns and for nobody else (and now tobias suggests there's a general hard rule for determining appropriate length of time anyone should be contributing too, though he hasn't indicated what that might be - which is curious). Ultimately, the membership committee not going to be able to use their judgement if a whole group of people all get told not to apply until a specific period of time has elapsed, are they? On the basis you seem to agree with that idea and yet disagree with the principle of it, at the same time, I'm not really sure what your point is. Can you clarify? Magdalen --e89a8ff1cd348e15f0050fb317b2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 7:22 PM, Alexandre Franke <= ;alexandre.= franke@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 12:06 PM, Magdalen Berns <m.berns@thismagpie.com> wrote: > On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 10:33 AM, Alexandre Franke
> <alexandre.franke@gma= il.com> wrote:
>> The membership can correct me if I'm w= rong, but one thing that's not
>> been said so far is that the "N months before accepting a mem= ber" is
>> not really special to interns. Sure it see= ms it's only written for
>> them, but if someone were to apply after one month of involvement<= br> >> (with or without paid incentive) I'm pretty sure the membershi= p
>> committee (MC) would think it's too soon too.
>
> Who said anything about one month? An internsh= ip takes 3 months. An
> internship plus this waiting period is 5 months.

I did. I said one month, just as I could have said two, three, four,=
or even five months. My point was precisely that contribution on a
short period don't constitute sufficient evidence of a person's
involvement within the community.

>>> The membership can correct me if I'm wrong, but one thing = that's not
>>> been said so far is that the "N months before accepting a= member" is
>>> not really special to interns.
>>
>> Also correct.
>
> In that case, what is the period of time is considered acceptable for<= br> > non-interns to have contributed for before they make an application, t= hen?

That's why I said that it should be at the MC's discret= ion. Setting a
hard rule for this is silly. Saying that someone contributing for six
months is not ok, but something contributing for six months and a day
is ok is silly. The MC should use their good judgment for the period
of time, just as they do with everything else.

<= div>Well I can't disagree with the principle behind what you say, (that= a hard rule for how long a person should wait to apply shouldn't be se= t) but the reality is that a hard rule is being set for interns and for nob= ody else (and now tobias suggests there's a general hard rule for deter= mining appropriate length of time anyone should be contributing too, though= he hasn't indicated what that might be - which is curious).

Ultimately, the membership committee not going to be able to= use their judgement if a whole group of people all get told not to apply u= ntil a specific period of time has elapsed, are they?

<= div>On the basis you seem to agree with that idea and yet disagree with the= principle of it, at the same time, I'm not really sure what your point= is. Can you clarify?

Magdalen

--e89a8ff1cd348e15f0050fb317b2-- From andrea.veri@gmail.com Mon Feb 23 16:42:34 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0942B762E7 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2015 16:42:34 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id m2uIj65i-TfO for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2015 16:42:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-la0-f43.google.com (mail-la0-f43.google.com [209.85.215.43]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0B7A7622E for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2015 16:42:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by labge10 with SMTP id ge10so19521832lab.12 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2015 08:42:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=P1xPHxYbfVzXceVUimzwE3eNKSbCr7IavVaXONGUN5U=; b=A3KK2alaHDjGx4U0wYKL7HEuUgQqoAD8SFwDC5UAu+1n/0Bn/bmMvCVTBflueDCpYk 9PGt1AEiBgPkR61I4HQSlbEbxqM/4twx5y500Zbu3qZrx8zn47kffQX4sITRSAMLq+qj OzRSjaJvuMFpvmMg3+hsabT36iH9TDpb0tsv7ZOPg7i6/wf2MHOxFPtJRCiQJepDK5SW 76JFsIHvv4cfCig/dPAzdOdog6EMLTPjwNwW4dbQdazkjfF6fho7pgk2qt7tAAYBPlUu Mw/JrB8V9eTzREOjpuuOE27HI9KF9iYomwiweO2JgKqGRCmPDCF1dzNIasLvLZ0zBfE9 CRvA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.182.196 with SMTP id eg4mr10544187lac.70.1424709734393; Mon, 23 Feb 2015 08:42:14 -0800 (PST) Sender: andrea.veri@gmail.com Received: by 10.112.61.168 with HTTP; Mon, 23 Feb 2015 08:42:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1423809173.23087.6.camel@gnome.org> <1423822750.14454.0.camel@gnome.org> <20150213121659.GB24206@bkor.dhs.org> <20150213144713.GA6145@bkor.dhs.org> <20150217161705.GE14403@bkor.dhs.org> <20150219131149.GB30771@bkor.dhs.org> <1424359663.25161.3.camel@gnome.org> <1424363923.25161.6.camel@gnome.org> <1424367560.25161.9.camel@gnome.org> <54E9128A.9050601@fujii.eti.br> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 17:42:14 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0bd2XcneNuddPhN3FnMv0qEzilc Message-ID: Subject: Re: foundation application.. From: Andrea Veri To: Magdalen Berns Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: GNOME Foundation X-BeenThere: foundation-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion relating to the GNOME Foundation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 16:42:34 -0000 2015-02-22 14:08 GMT+01:00 Magdalen Berns : > Again, a brilliant question. On the face of it this seems to be purely about > reducing paper work for the membership committee (i.e. fewer applications > means less work for them). However there are clearly some implications which > affect our democratic processes. The question of whether we have a > justifiable reason to take steps like this to deny this group of people a > vote or not on the basis we worry they might not use it, is an important one > because that does not objectively make sense. Clearly, the extra paper work > shouldn't be a factor in decisions like this. The Membership Committee actions are unequivocally oriented to the benefit of the GNOME Foundation. I've been chairing the Committee since five years now and this is honestly the first time ever someone arises a controversial point on the policy and procedures we follow when processing new or renewal applications. The following thread started by Sriram with the pure scope of enhancing the membership application experience it diverged into a crescendum of accusations to the Membership Committee which clearly state the fact you are missing the point of being a GNOME Foundation Member. From your point of view being a Foundation member strictly relates to having made a non-trivial amount of contributions (which is totally correct as per Bylaws) but there's one more action the applicant should perform in order for the application to be processed. This action juridically speaking is an act of will. The person by browsing [1] and filling in all the fields acknowledge its intent to apply for Foundation Membership. Applying for membership is not an obligation of any kind and you aren't required to submit an application if you don't have a real interest in doing so. The following announcement [2] (which seems to have caused so much confusion between interns) is misleading in many ways and seems to suggest interns they should apply - not because they believe in the GNOME Foundation and the values it pursues - but for the mere reason to keep a blog aggregated to Planet GNOME. If I was an intern myself reading such an announcement and without having a knowledge of what Foundation membership is about I could definitely started seeing the membership itself as a way for my blog to stay aggregated on Planet GNOME. There's no single reference of what Foundation membership is about, what the duties are and what we are trying to accomplish in terms of building a membership base made of people who really believe in our mission, participate to the community discussions, vote on the yearly elections. Many interns probably applied for Membership after reading that announcement having in mind the fact having keeping their public visibility through their blog was only possible if they requested membership. This totally goes against what Foundation membership is about. Our mission - as the Membership Committee - is to make sure a strong and consistent membership base is created in terms of contributors who want to step forward and join the Foundation because they believe doing so can definitely strengthen their relationship with the project and bring it to the next level. As stated on my previous e-mail [3] we've seen a lot of interns dropping their contributions to zero right after the internship ended so while they contributed in a non-trivial way to the Foundation why would they even decide to apply afterwards? they are NOT obliged to apply for membership and they probably wouldn't apply if they knew that being a member is not only receiving a bunch of benefits but also being an active part of the community participating to discussions and voting at every year's elections. The rationale behind an extended period for interns isn't there because we don't believe interns have contributed enough or because of their gender (yeah, you even managed to accuse the Committee to apply blanket rules depending on the gender of the applicant [4]) but just to find out whether there was a strong and real interest in joining the GNOME Foundation going beyond having a blog aggregated on Planet GNOME. While this thread (not how it started but how it diverged) is full of accusations I don't recall hearing a single intern reaching out the Committee complaining about her application being rejected. Not a single case out of hundreds I personally processed since 2009. We value our members and we always make sure to use our discretionary power to further the goals of the GNOME Foundation, this in many ways: 1. by introducing Emeritus [5] 2. by supporting former members who have decreased the number of contributions to re-apply and be accepted trying to encourage them keeping up their valuable contributions over the project without leaving We aren't scared about having more paper work in place and we never neglected to call for help in case we needed it. [6] [7] The Membership Committee - as I see it - is here to make the Foundation a welcoming place for every single contributor willing to join (and not being forced to do so for a specific benefit to be kept) and having a real, strong, durable interest in the Foundation and the values it pursues. That's all we care about. [1] https://www.gnome.org/foundation/membership/apply [2] https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-soc-list/2014-August/msg00000.html [3] https://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2015-February/msg00087.html [4] https://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2015-February/msg00123.html [5] https://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-announce/2012-May/msg00015.html [6] https://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2012-March/msg00046.html [7] https://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-list/2014-April/msg00045.html -- Cheers, Andrea Debian Developer, Fedora / EPEL packager, GNOME Infrastructure Team Coordinator, GNOME Foundation Board of Directors Secretary, GNOME Foundation Membership & Elections Committee Chairman Homepage: http://www.gnome.org/~av From m.berns@thismagpie.com Mon Feb 23 21:16:04 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C48A762E7 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2015 21:16:04 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A77AcahM5FVO for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2015 21:16:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yh0-f45.google.com (mail-yh0-f45.google.com [209.85.213.45]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE48B760A5 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2015 21:15:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yhaf10 with SMTP id f10so12164405yha.8 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2015 13:15:48 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=rXg7Smw5n83rTqQhmCgfeJ8MxFgzlEzjIEpqaOvY00s=; b=E3mo01Bz6PZ1j9wCgbbpZHrdea/lWmx/3+SVYZkFhXk62TEekD9P0LD+E8Ffkhpkcl yf6vuYr9uBGOC6TQDXqrBuLhjaf1STpN6+XzHOEu3nvH9Cxjei2hu65d5qG97NGIyrD2 JIVESzIhtXpo398LC46k774RhPTRVrSS56qLRm6DK+RmUm1wPPsDvVf8k4diweBTdS/2 uZ5UHiYTH/jJgU6o50v5pn8aAruOR4h6jIX1Nu62SAxES2KxZHrstwNPkdoUz2gqa/C8 nNSrKFmczuuNfebWd6RJwHapuQKZM2WeiSDtDUhjfrtt2AH5NHRNc8vk3eeNK+S5vjpF KHBA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnWwSpNSdQZe2ckFiAHD4rJkZ+xtLSqC9L0qWSLl8EwWrblJnEPUJzhoMdqCrO6ofMTmRC3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.236.98.70 with SMTP id u46mr12130680yhf.82.1424726147942; Mon, 23 Feb 2015 13:15:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.170.71.69 with HTTP; Mon, 23 Feb 2015 13:15:47 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [82.43.96.190] In-Reply-To: References: <1423809173.23087.6.camel@gnome.org> <1423822750.14454.0.camel@gnome.org> <20150213121659.GB24206@bkor.dhs.org> <20150213144713.GA6145@bkor.dhs.org> <20150217161705.GE14403@bkor.dhs.org> <20150219131149.GB30771@bkor.dhs.org> <1424359663.25161.3.camel@gnome.org> <1424363923.25161.6.camel@gnome.org> <1424367560.25161.9.camel@gnome.org> <54E9128A.9050601@fujii.eti.br>

Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 21:15:47 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: foundation application.. From: Magdalen Berns To: Andrea Veri Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e01634162f35f38050fc7e75c Cc: GNOME Foundation X-BeenThere: foundation-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion relating to the GNOME Foundation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 21:16:04 -0000 --089e01634162f35f38050fc7e75c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > > Again, a brilliant question. On the face of it this seems to be purely > about > > reducing paper work for the membership committee (i.e. fewer applications > > means less work for them). However there are clearly some implications > which > > affect our democratic processes. The question of whether we have a > > justifiable reason to take steps like this to deny this group of people a > > vote or not on the basis we worry they might not use it, is an important > one > > because that does not objectively make sense. Clearly, the extra paper > work > > shouldn't be a factor in decisions like this. > > The Membership Committee actions are unequivocally oriented to the > benefit of the GNOME Foundation. I've been chairing the Committee > since five years now and this is honestly the first time ever someone > arises a controversial point on the policy and procedures we follow > when processing new or renewal applications. The following thread > started by Sriram with the pure scope of enhancing the membership > application experience it diverged into a crescendum of accusations to > the Membership Committee which clearly state the fact you are missing > the point of being a GNOME Foundation Member. If you scroll back you'll see that several people who either supported the decision or seemed to remain neutral about it, stated it was the membership committee's decision. Those critical of the decision were not actually the ones who "accused" the membership committee of taking it. The reality is some of us had no idea where the decision had come from until it came out on this thread, because it does not seem to have been publicly stated anywhere before it was made or leading up to now either. Once the news had come out on this thread, that the decision was the membership committee's idea then this naturally meant that those critical of the decision, in turn had to be critical of the membership committee for taking it. Ultimately, it's the decision that's the problem (but more the way it's been communicated and carried out, from my perspective to be honest). Besides all that though, let's get this into perspective a bit: Nobody's actually talking about overthrowing the membership committee or anything like it, here. It's possible to value the work of others and still fundamentally disagree on something like this. Members are not obliged to grant absolute, unconditional, unquestioning support and agreement to all decisions, (including the ones we don't know out about until after they are made) and it does not seem reasonable that should be seen as controversial, or anything else other than what it actually is: a bunch of perfectly valid questions and concerns. >From your point of view being a Foundation member strictly relates to > having made a > non-trivial amount of contributions (which is totally correct as per > Bylaws) but there's one more action the applicant should perform in > order for the application to be processed. This action juridically > speaking is an act of will. The person by > browsing [1] and filling in all the fields acknowledge its intent to > apply for Foundation Membership. Applying for membership is not an > obligation of any kind and you aren't required to submit an > application if you don't have a real interest in doing so. > The following announcement [2] (which seems to have caused so much > confusion between interns) is misleading in many ways and seems to > suggest interns they should apply - not because they believe in the > GNOME Foundation and the values it pursues - but for the mere reason > to keep a blog aggregated to Planet GNOME. If I was an intern myself > reading such an announcement and without having a knowledge of what > Foundation membership is about I could definitely started seeing the > membership itself as a way for my blog to stay aggregated on Planet > GNOME. This seems like an unlikely scenario. As far as I am aware, nobody actually sifts through planet feeds removing the feeds of interns. Besides, isn't our whole vibe meant to be about "assuming good intentions"? ;-). There's no single reference of what Foundation membership is > about, what the duties are and what we are trying to accomplish in > terms of building a membership base made of people who really believe > in our mission, participate to the community discussions, vote on the > yearly elections. Well, there are the foundation webpages. In this case though, the application process could be sufficient in weeding this sort of thing out, couldn't it? It's not totally clear why making a blanket rule would make this any easier, anyway but that's been said. One thing which has not really been mentioned in all of this (possibly because it doesn't apply to all the interns, just the summer ones) is the point that, many of the interns get invited to GUADEC and find out what foundation membership is about through their experience there. Do you not think it might send out a confused message to interns for us to go round inviting them along to GUADEC, meet them, socialise with them make them feel welcome at GNOME and then turn around a few weeks later and send them a mailout tell them all that they aren't actually ready to be part of the community yet, after all? Have the membership committee not considered how psychologically deflating that might be to those who are genuinely into the whole GNOME vibe and who feel committed, engaged and involved, as a direct result of their experience as interns, just at a time where they are finishing up, and their other commitments might be compelling them to direct their attention onto other things, already? Many interns probably applied for Membership after > reading that announcement having in mind the fact having keeping their > public visibility through their blog was only possible if they > requested membership. > Yeah, I still don't get why this is such a concern. I really think nobody actually removes blog feeds to planet GNOME, unless they are specifically asked to do it. This totally goes against what Foundation membership is about. Our > mission - as the Membership Committee - is to make sure a strong and > consistent membership base is created in terms of contributors who > want to step forward and join the Foundation because they believe > doing so can definitely strengthen their relationship with the project > and bring it to the next level. As stated on my previous e-mail [3] > we've seen a lot of interns dropping their contributions to zero right > after the internship ended so while they contributed in a non-trivial > way to the Foundation why would they even decide to apply afterwards? > I don't doubt this happens, but you ask a good question. Why would they apply? I imagine they wouldn't bother if they weren't interested anyway, either. One concern here is that we treat the ones who have made contributions, do want to apply and who are engaged, being asked not to and also that a lot of assumptions led us to a decision which was never really properly thrashed out before being imposed (and that seems to have led to further confusion and concerns about periods of times, motivations etc, etc of what's all been said in a previous mails). With all this said, one point I like about the two month rule (yes, I am actually about to say something positive about it) is that it seems to be a more reasonable length of time than 6 months. It also could take away the ambiguity for interns on when an appropriate time to apply might be which in some senses makes the way interns are treated with respect to one another, much fairer than when things were more ambiguous. Further to that, on looking at some of the recent membership data gathered so far with specific regard to the interns, I have to say, it does seem like a few interns have been significantly undervaluing their own contributions by waiting much longer to apply than seems appropriate for active contributors to be doing with some seeming to have waited as long as two years actually, which is of course, absolutely ridiculous. I have gained a little more confidence in the two month idea after recognising that this may be an even bigger problem that interns are facing (i.e. not even considering applying close to as early enough as two months, after their internship has ended). That's not to say the reservations have disappeared, mind. :D > they are NOT obliged to apply for membership and they probably > wouldn't apply if they knew that being a member is not only receiving > a bunch of benefits but also being an active part of the community > participating to discussions and voting at every year's elections. The > rationale behind an extended period for interns isn't there because we > don't believe interns have contributed enough or because of their > gender (yeah, you even managed to accuse the Committee to apply > blanket rules depending on the gender of the applicant [4]) but just > to find out whether there was a strong and real interest in joining > the GNOME Foundation going beyond having a blog aggregated on Planet > GNOME. Please reread what was actually said about that because I don't know if you realise it, but here, you are actually accusing me of accusing the membership committee, without addressing any of the specific concerns that were actually raised, which seems rather defensive. While this thread (not how it started but how it diverged) is full of > accusations I don't recall hearing a single intern reaching out the > Committee complaining about her application being rejected. Not a > single case out of hundreds I personally processed since 2009. We > value our members and we always make sure to use our discretionary > power to further the goals of the GNOME Foundation, this in many ways: > > 1. by introducing Emeritus [5] > 2. by supporting former members who have decreased the number of > contributions to re-apply and be accepted trying to encourage them > keeping up their valuable contributions over the project without > leaving > Look, nobody here is saying the membership committee are lousy. We all know you do a great job overall and that you specifically have done a lot to improve infrastructure (well, I personally appreciate people who pay attention to improving infrastructure, and I do understand that these things can seem like a thankless task). To be clear, this is is a very specific criticism of the handling of a very specific issue and that notwithstanding, personally I can recognise that it would have taken more than the membership committee alone to have got involved for the idea to have flown as it clearly has. It is certainly not my intention to make you or the membership feel personally attacked and I don't believe anyone else here has set out to do that either so I hope that eases any concerns you may have had, about that. We aren't scared about having more paper work in place and we never > neglected to call for help in case we needed it. [6] [7] > I am scared of paperwork. It's scary! So that would have been understandable from my perspective, but it's reassuring to know that you ask for help when you need it. > The Membership Committee - as I see it - is here to make the > Foundation a welcoming place for every single contributor willing to > join (and not being forced to do so for a specific benefit to be kept) > and having a real, strong, durable interest in the Foundation and the > values it pursues. That's all we care about. > Good, then we are all on the same page. I think for the time being we perhaps ought to all agree to disagree on the 2 month rule, but I suggest that we keep communicating with the aim of determining a concrete long term solution which we can all be comfortable with collectively sticking to and presenting to the public concerning this because, whatever the decision ends up being in the long run, I hope people can at least agree that it should be consistent, evidenced and published openly, where this is possible, for the sake of fairness. From my end, I can continue to delve into statistical patterns in what we are all concerned about and am happy to involve anyone who cares, in that process as it chugs along. It may actually take a while to bring all the information together to draw meaningful conclusions from it, since there's actually a lot of miscellaneous bits to gather together, but I think it will be worth challenge some of the assumptions we may be making about something which affects our community and how we treat people who contribute to it. Magdalen --089e01634162f35f38050fc7e75c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

> Again, a brilliant question. On the face of it this= seems to be purely about
> reducing paper work for the membership committee (i.e. fewer applicati= ons
> means less work for them). However there are clearly some implications= which
> affect our democratic processes. The question of whether we have a
> justifiable reason to take steps like this to deny this group of peopl= e a
> vote or not on the basis we worry they might not use it, is an importa= nt one
> because that does not objectively make sense. Clearly, the extra paper= work
> shouldn't be a factor in decisions like this.

The Membership Committee actions are unequivocally oriented to the benefit of the GNOME Foundation. I've been chairing the Committee
since five years now and this is honestly the first time ever someone
arises a controversial point on the policy and procedures we follow
when processing new or renewal applications. The following thread
started by Sriram with the pure scope of enhancing the membership
application experience it diverged into a crescendum of accusations to
the Membership Committee which clearly state the fact you are missing
the point of being a GNOME Foundation Member.

If you scroll back you'll see that several people who either support= ed the decision or seemed to remain neutral about it, stated it was the mem= bership committee's decision.=C2=A0Those critical of the decision were = not actually the ones who "accused" the membership committee of t= aking it. The reality is some of us had no idea where the decision had come= from until it came out on this thread, because it does not seem to have be= en publicly stated anywhere before it was made or leading up to now either.= Once the news had come out on this thread, that the decision was the membe= rship committee's idea then this naturally meant that those critical of= the decision, in turn had to be critical of the membership committee for t= aking it. Ultimately, it's the decision that's the problem (but mor= e the way it's been communicated and carried out, from my perspective t= o be honest).

Besides all that though, let's g= et this into perspective a bit: Nobody's actually talking about overthr= owing the membership committee or anything like it, here. It's possible= to value the work of others and still fundamentally disagree on something = like this. Members are not obliged to grant absolute, unconditional, unques= tioning support and agreement to all decisions, (including the ones we don&= #39;t know out about until after they are made) and it does not seem reason= able that should be seen as controversial, or anything else other than what= it actually is: a bunch of perfectly valid questions and concerns.

From your point of view=C2=A0being a Foundati= on member strictly relates to having made a
non-trivial amount of contributions (which is totally correct as per
Bylaws) but there's one more action the applicant should perform in
order for the application to be processed.=C2=A0This action juridically spe= aking is an act of will. The person by
browsing [1] and filling in all the fields acknowledge its intent to
apply for Foundation Membership. Applying for membership is not an
obligation of any kind and you aren't required to submit an
application if you don't have a real interest in doing so.

=C2=A0

The=C2=A0following announcement [2] (whi= ch seems to have caused so much
confusion between interns) is misleading in many ways and seems to
suggest interns they should apply - not because they believe in the
GNOME Foundation and the values it pursues - but for the mere reason
to keep a blog aggregated to Planet GNOME.=C2=A0

If I was an intern myself
reading such an announcement and without having a knowledge of what
Foundation membership is about I could definitely started seeing the
membership itself as a way for my blog to stay aggregated on Planet
GNOME.

This seems like an unlikely scenario= . As far as I am aware, nobody=C2=A0actually sifts through planet feeds rem= oving the feeds of interns. Besides, isn't our whole vibe meant to be a= bout "assuming good intentions"? ;-).

There's no single reference of what Foundation membership is<= br> about, what the duties are and what we are trying to accomplish in
terms of building a membership base made of people who really believe
in our mission, participate to the community discussions, vote on the
yearly elections.

Well, there are the foun= dation webpages. In this case though, the application process could be suff= icient in weeding this sort of thing out, couldn't it? It's not tot= ally clear why making a blanket rule would make this any easier, anyway but= that's been said. One thing which has not really been mentioned in all= of this (possibly because it doesn't apply to all the interns, just th= e summer ones) is the point that, many of the interns get invited to GUADEC= and find out what foundation membership is about through their experience = there. Do you not think it might send out a confused message to interns for= us to go round inviting them along to GUADEC, meet them, socialise with th= em make them feel welcome at GNOME and then turn around a few weeks later a= nd send them a mailout tell them all that they aren't actually ready to= be part of the community yet, after all? Have the membership committee not= considered how psychologically deflating that might be to those who are ge= nuinely into the whole GNOME vibe and who feel committed, engaged and invol= ved, as a direct result of their experience as interns, just at a time wher= e they are finishing up, and their other commitments might be compelling th= em to direct their attention onto other things, already?

Many interns probably applied for Membership after
reading that announcement having in mind the fact having keeping their
public visibility through their blog was only possible if they
requested membership.

Yeah, I still don= 't get why this is such a concern. I really think nobody actually remov= es blog feeds to planet GNOME, unless they are specifically asked to do it.=

This totally goes against what Founda= tion membership is about. Our
mission - as the Membership Committee - is to make sure a strong and
consistent membership base is created in terms of contributors who
want to step forward and join the Foundation because they believe
doing so can definitely strengthen their relationship with the project
and bring it to the next level. As stated on my previous e-mail [3]
we've seen a lot of interns dropping their contributions to zero right<= br> after the internship ended so while they contributed in a non-trivial
way to the Foundation why would they even decide to apply afterwards?

I don't doubt this happens, but you ask = a good question. Why would they apply? I imagine they wouldn't bother i= f they weren't interested anyway, either. One concern here is that we t= reat the ones who have made contributions, do want to apply and who are eng= aged, being asked not to and also that a lot of assumptions led us to a dec= ision which was never really properly thrashed out before being imposed (an= d that seems to have led to further confusion and concerns about periods of= times, motivations etc, etc of what's all been said in a previous mail= s).

With all this said, one point I like about the= two month rule (yes, I am actually about to say something positive about i= t) is that it seems to be a more reasonable length of time than 6 months. I= t also could take away the ambiguity for interns on when an appropriate tim= e to apply might be which in some senses makes the way interns are treated = with respect to one another, much fairer than when things were more ambiguo= us.

Further to that, on looking at some of the rec= ent membership data gathered so far with specific regard to the interns, I = have to say, it does seem like a few interns have been significantly underv= aluing their own contributions by waiting much longer to apply than seems a= ppropriate for active contributors to be doing with some seeming to have wa= ited as long as two years actually, which is of course, absolutely ridiculo= us. I have gained a little more confidence in the two month idea after reco= gnising that this may be an even bigger problem that interns are facing (i.= e. not even considering applying close to as early enough as two months, af= ter their internship has ended). That's not to say the reservations hav= e disappeared, mind. :D
=C2=A0
they are NOT obliged to apply for membership and they probably
wouldn't apply if they knew that being a member is not only receiving a bunch of benefits but also being an active part of the community
participating to discussions and voting at every year's elections. The<= br> rationale behind an extended period for interns isn't there because we<= br> don't believe interns have contributed enough or because of their
gender (yeah, you even managed to accuse the Committee to apply
blanket rules depending on the gender of the applicant [4]) but just
to find out whether there was a strong and real interest in joining
the GNOME Foundation going beyond having a blog aggregated on Planet
GNOME.

Please reread what was actually said= about that because I don't know if you realise it, but here, you are a= ctually accusing me of accusing the membership committee, without addressin= g any of the specific concerns that were actually raised, which seems rathe= r defensive.

While this thread (not how it started but how it diverged) is full of
accusations I don't recall hearing a single intern reaching out the
Committee complaining about her application being rejected. Not a
single case out of hundreds I personally processed since 2009. We
value our members and we always make sure to use our discretionary
power to further the goals of the GNOME Foundation, this in many ways:

1. by introducing Emeritus [5]
2. by supporting former members who have decreased the number of
contributions to re-apply and be accepted trying to encourage them
keeping up their valuable contributions over the project without
leaving

Look, nobody here is saying the= membership committee are lousy. We all know you do a great job overall and= that you specifically have done a lot to improve infrastructure (well, I p= ersonally appreciate people who pay attention to improving infrastructure, = and I do understand that these things can seem like a thankless task). To b= e clear, this is is a very specific criticism of the handling of a very spe= cific issue and that notwithstanding, personally I can recognise that it wo= uld have taken more than the membership committee alone to have got involve= d for the idea to have flown as it clearly has. It is certainly not my inte= ntion to make you or the membership feel personally attacked and I don'= t believe anyone else here has set out to do that either so I hope that eas= es any concerns you may have had, about that.

We aren't scared about having more paper work in place and we never
neglected to call for help in case we needed it. [6] [7]

I am scared of paperwork. It's scary! So that would h= ave been understandable from my perspective, but it's reassuring =C2=A0= to know that you ask for help when you need it.

=C2=A0

The Membership Committee - as I see it - is here to make the
Foundation a welcoming place for every single contributor willing to
join (and not being forced to do so for a specific benefit to be kept)
and having a real, strong, durable interest in the Foundation and the
values it pursues. That's all we care about.

<= /div>

Good, then we are all on the same page. I think for the time bein= g we perhaps ought to all agree to disagree on the 2 month rule, but I sugg= est that we keep communicating with the aim of determining a concrete long = term solution which we can all be comfortable with collectively sticking to= and presenting to the public concerning this because, whatever the decisio= n ends up being in the long run, I hope people can at least agree that it s= hould be consistent, evidenced and published openly, where this is possible= , for the sake of fairness. From my end, I can continue to delve into stati= stical patterns in what we are all concerned about and am happy to involve = anyone who cares, in that process as it chugs along. It may actually take a= while to bring all the information together to draw meaningful conclusions= from it, since there's actually a lot of miscellaneous bits to gather = together, but I think it will be worth challenge some of the assumptions we= may be making about something which affects our community and how we treat= people who contribute to it.

Magdalen

<= br>

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Why would you think this is ridiculous, or has anything to do with undervaluing ones contributions ? To be perfectly frank, granting commit access to GNOME revision control repositories is already a huge token of trust, it normally takes at least some months (reasonable number anywhere between 3 to 6 months after the initial encounter ?) before a project maintainer can vouch for someone to be a committer in full confidence. I had commit access and my own shell account before considering becoming a foundation member - not being a foundation member was not a 'bad thing', it's not like I had no right to discuss the direction of the project on d-d-l with many other contributors and maintainers, before becoming a foundation member. You are not a 'less valuable' contributor for not being a foundation member. Becoming a foundation member was just where I drew the line between being a project contributer and maintainer, and decided that I wanted to have some kind of a say in how the foundation itself was run (and even this is IMO still of much lesser importance than having a voice in the direction and development of the projects housed in the GNOME umbrella, for which, again, a foundation membership is not required). In any case, you may think that 2 years is a long time, I certainly think that 2 months is an extremely short time - my personal view on the thing is that the foundation should be comprised of those who actually really give a damn, I find it hard to conceive how the MC could possibly judge the commitment of such a short term contributor. Best, -Tristan From m.berns@thismagpie.com Tue Feb 24 10:43:42 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F220776962 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2015 10:43:42 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fqLmuoBVzy3p for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2015 10:43:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yh0-f46.google.com (mail-yh0-f46.google.com [209.85.213.46]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBB67768C2 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2015 10:43:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by yhaf73 with SMTP id f73so13759042yha.3 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2015 02:43:28 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=aP86thD1PipDllKL2/nm7LyOk1VdZtXBgeU4ffBu080=; b=BicWYiG0asLkqmBtlDVKmyYLw8+Vyc4r6Ak6BmSedSKlcmqos6DQfSemA2xP4yBi4C cNJsKdhf+vHB2/17lbHXtmN0wmyNl/m8w+n3/wdnO0a9UT5MMg3pK4QsptjGtLX8C2n+ 1tQsXh//jOyqU2CBzxbqUFZKVebnTeEvTFKJghamTyUFbpyceXm6bm37gupWNbWxdgUt oI0vPVagUuWvHXApLXOLxKa9p0X4fEQuYuQN3EdAmLWdDZf9jRvQi2SHKWFmw1Tr+FsE pY9zkgoQXz33eUAvKKs+YZgddOD6C4pUA0SSPSGATDuApNXfUoiOBCapN2oN1FlkcUsQ fz1Q== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQltzbVm/STM2y8jwWSTQytt3ETDq16W+JuID0OqKu3Ghwz3Oezy598g1009htPcM77ACutg MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.170.139.3 with SMTP id g3mr15307853ykc.98.1424774608681; Tue, 24 Feb 2015 02:43:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.170.71.69 with HTTP; Tue, 24 Feb 2015 02:43:28 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [82.43.96.190] In-Reply-To: <1424752555.2123.132.camel@tristan-N53SV> References: <1423809173.23087.6.camel@gnome.org> <1423822750.14454.0.camel@gnome.org> <20150213121659.GB24206@bkor.dhs.org> <20150213144713.GA6145@bkor.dhs.org> <20150217161705.GE14403@bkor.dhs.org> <20150219131149.GB30771@bkor.dhs.org> <1424359663.25161.3.camel@gnome.org> <1424363923.25161.6.camel@gnome.org> <1424367560.25161.9.camel@gnome.org> <54E9128A.9050601@fujii.eti.br>

<1424752555.2123.132.camel@tristan-N53SV> Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 10:43:28 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: foundation application.. From: Magdalen Berns To: Tristan Van Berkom Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113992dc6f9080050fd330a3 Cc: GNOME Foundation X-BeenThere: foundation-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion relating to the GNOME Foundation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 10:43:43 -0000 --001a113992dc6f9080050fd330a3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Further to that, on looking at some of the recent membership data > > gathered so far with specific regard to the interns, I have to say, it > > does seem like a few interns have been significantly undervaluing > > their own contributions by waiting much longer to apply than seems > > appropriate for active contributors to be doing with some seeming to > > have waited as long as two years actually, which is of course, > > absolutely ridiculous. > > Why would you think this is ridiculous, or has anything to do with > undervaluing ones contributions ? > What else do you think would prevent someone who is actively contributing for two years, from applying to formally become part of the community? To be perfectly frank, granting commit access to GNOME revision control > repositories is already a huge token of trust, it normally takes at > least some months (reasonable number anywhere between 3 to 6 months > after the initial encounter ?) before a project maintainer can vouch for > someone to be a committer in full confidence. > > I had commit access and my own shell account before considering becoming > a foundation member - not being a foundation member was not a 'bad > thing', it's not like I had no right to discuss the direction of the > project on d-d-l with many other contributors and maintainers, before > becoming a foundation member. You are not a 'less valuable' contributor > for not being a foundation member. > > Becoming a foundation member was just where I drew the line between > being a project contributer and maintainer, and decided that I wanted > to have some kind of a say in how the foundation itself was run (and > even this is IMO still of much lesser importance than having a voice > in the direction and development of the projects housed in the GNOME > umbrella, for which, again, a foundation membership is not required). > > In any case, you may think that 2 years is a long time, I certainly > think that 2 months is an extremely short time - my personal view on > the thing is that the foundation should be comprised of those who > actually really give a damn, I find it hard to conceive how the MC > could possibly judge the commitment of such a short term contributor. > Behold! The Charter (Principles of the GNOME Foundation): https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/FoundationBoard/Resources/Charter?action=show&redirect=Foundation%2FCharter --001a113992dc6f9080050fd330a3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

=C2=A0

> Further to that, on loo= king at some of the recent membership data
> gathered so far with specific regard to the interns, I have to say, it=
> does seem like a few interns have been significantly undervaluing
> their own contributions by waiting much longer to apply than seems
> appropriate for active contributors to be doing with some seeming to > have waited as long as two years actually, which is of course,
> absolutely ridiculous.

Why would you think this is ridiculous, or has anything to do with undervaluing ones contributions ?

What = else do you think would prevent someone who is actively contributing for tw= o years, from applying to formally become part of the community?

To be perfectly frank, granting commit access to GNOME revision control
repositories is already a huge token of trust, it normally takes at
least some months (reasonable number anywhere between 3 to 6 months
after the initial encounter ?) before a project maintainer can vouch for someone to be a committer in full confidence.

I had commit access and my own shell account before considering becoming a foundation member - not being a foundation member was not a 'bad
thing', it's not like I had no right to discuss the direction of th= e
project on d-d-l with many other contributors and maintainers, before
becoming a foundation member. You are not a 'less valuable' contrib= utor
for not being a foundation member.

Becoming a foundation member was just where I drew the line between
being a project contributer and maintainer, and decided that I wanted
to have some kind of a say in how the foundation itself was run (and
even this is IMO still of much lesser importance than having a voice
in the direction and development of the projects housed in the GNOME
umbrella, for which, again, a foundation membership is not required).

In any case, you may think that 2 years is a long time, I certainly
think that 2 months is an extremely short time - my personal view on
the thing is that the foundation should be comprised of those who
actually really give a damn, I find it hard to conceive how the MC
could possibly judge the commitment of such a short term contributor.

Behold! The Charter (Principles of the GNOME= Foundation): =C2=A0https://wiki.gnome.org/action/show/FoundationBoard/Resources/Charter?actio= n=3Dshow&redirect=3DFoundation%2FCharter

--001a113992dc6f9080050fd330a3-- From andrea.veri@gmail.com Tue Feb 24 17:54:29 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A881776990 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2015 17:54:29 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h_O3X8m98Jx0 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2015 17:54:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-f180.google.com (mail-wi0-f180.google.com [209.85.212.180]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15BAA76984 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2015 17:54:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f180.google.com with SMTP id h11so27084844wiw.1 for ; Tue, 24 Feb 2015 09:54:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:date:from:to:subject:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:user-agent; bh=pHERtoWhW/X8oXtL8Fcl4ZWGJomtrTv1sxgREmx3TL8=; b=FF4HEP0rjVBZGp5guLwoSJPrV3IR2CHHZ2dRqSDzpKv1/S8/57vNOaLBUnAs7MJuWy WOyXX5GD2yQCHm1Iq9G6i4+D0BWAYSasfSpaFCeLKGksFSPcYCRQMxwYJlYo/dm2zQ8t vAkoO8ex9O7bmFI5QLsrg+jKy4MSQ5P4uoe86dTSPIn44lLxyyyVoywkXu4w136LXxsQ id8H7AckJVnRf7smMOGFc3kdElg49F1/CzRknvJ25vJKaviipQbbqLSyN5aC+13rRqJ0 +6rqtd0AZNwYNe+iMYm7ZCzzOzncw4UaTxcm6IsrOq87Qxcpsf6yPmpekXfaxZUxyBy9 jb/A== X-Received: by 10.194.77.230 with SMTP id v6mr13509991wjw.25.1424800455783; Tue, 24 Feb 2015 09:54:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from heartbeat ([2.234.154.114]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id n3sm61212114wja.36.2015.02.24.09.54.14 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 24 Feb 2015 09:54:15 -0800 (PST) Sender: Andrea Veri Received: by heartbeat (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1CE77FFF83; Tue, 24 Feb 2015 18:54:07 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 18:54:07 +0100 From: Andrea Veri To: foundation-list@gnome.org Subject: New Foundation and Emeritus members Message-ID: <20150224175407.GA6167@gnome.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ew6BAiZeqk4r7MaW" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-BeenThere: foundation-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion relating to the GNOME Foundation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 17:54:29 -0000 --ew6BAiZeqk4r7MaW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello everybody! The GNOME Foundation Membership Committee is proud to announce our newly approved Foundation Members. Please welcome and thank them for their great and valuable contributions over the GNOME Foundation. They are: * 1. Georges Basile Stavracas Neto (translations, GNOME Calendar)=20 2. Edward Hervey (Glib and Pitivi contributions) 3. Sahil Sareen (GNOME games contributions)=20 4. Ahmad Haris (GNOME promotion in Indonesia through the BlankOn GNU/Linux= distribution) 5. Pranav Kant (GSoC student working on gnome-photos with additional contr= ibutions on gnome-documents)=20 * Syntax is Name Surname (area of involvement) In addition to them, we also have four new Emeritus Members: [1] 1. Holger Berndt 2. Lucas Rocha 3. Ronald S. Bultje 4. Bryan Clark For any further question you may have, feel free to mail us at membership-committee@gnome.org. 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Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 08:24:36 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Privacy campaign funds From: Emily Gonyer To: Ekaterina Gerasimova Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bdca5bc92c7a7050fe98e7c Cc: foundation-list X-BeenThere: foundation-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion relating to the GNOME Foundation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 13:24:51 -0000 --047d7bdca5bc92c7a7050fe98e7c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Why not run a specific contest to find a couple interns specifically to work on privacy issues? No need to involve OPW specifically. On Feb 20, 2015 5:10 PM, "Ekaterina Gerasimova" wrote: > On 20/02/2015, Magdalen Berns wrote: > >> > >> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 08:28:58PM +0000, Magdalen Berns wrote: > >> > This seems like a nice idea. Why was it rejected? > >> The best argument I remember was that interns wouldn't produce > >> as high quality results as, for example, calling for bids. > >> > >> But as it has been noted, I shouldn't have said "rejected". > >> Sorry for the wrong term. > >> Instead, the idea has not been pursued. > >> > > > > Either idea sounds like a good shout, to me. > > > > How are the specific privacy bugs being determined? Can members proposing > > relevant bugs to put a bounty on for the privacy campaign, if so how > would > > we go about doing that? > > Issues can be proposed at > https://wiki.gnome.org/Foundation/PrivacyCampaign2013 by anyone. > Proposing an issue does not guarantee that it will be used. The issues > are assessed by a small team and will be confirmed by the board before > being advertised. > _______________________________________________ > foundation-list mailing list > foundation-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list > --047d7bdca5bc92c7a7050fe98e7c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Why not run a specific contest to find a couple interns spec= ifically to work on privacy issues?=C2=A0 No need to involve OPW specifical= ly.

On Feb 20, 2015 5:10 PM, "Ekaterina Gerasim= ova" <kittykat3756@gmail.= com> wrote:

O= n 20/02/2015, Magdalen Berns <= m.berns@thismagpie.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 08:28:58PM +0000, Magdalen Berns wrote: >> > This seems like a nice idea. Why was it rejected?
>> The best argument I remember was that interns wouldn't produce=
>> as high quality results as, for example, calling for bids.
>>
>> But as it has been noted, I shouldn't have said "rejected= ".
>> Sorry for the wrong term.
>> Instead, the idea has not been pursued.
>>
>
> Either idea sounds like a good shout, to me.
>
> How are the specific privacy bugs being determined? Can members propos= ing
> relevant bugs to put a bounty on for the privacy campaign, if so how w= ould
> we go about doing that?

Issues can be proposed at
https://wiki.gnome.org/Foundation/PrivacyCampaign2013 by anyon= e.
Proposing an issue does not guarantee that it will be used. The issues
are assessed by a small team and will be confirmed by the board before
being advertised.
_______________________________________________
foundation-list mailing list
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--047d7bdca5bc92c7a7050fe98e7c-- From erick.red@gmail.com Wed Feb 25 14:17:54 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AD0476A2A for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2015 14:17:54 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BopPUjTRx2MR for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2015 14:17:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ig0-f169.google.com (mail-ig0-f169.google.com [209.85.213.169]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87A01769CE for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2015 14:17:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ig0-f169.google.com with SMTP id hl2so36585559igb.0 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2015 06:17:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=GozuDced570Cw4SAcKcgHU9i+Ck9eGVzPM5hKcVUhR0=; b=xLvmw9soxbaAd9NRrkxsUzM8O9rG7kRT5Eddxs+jTvIAsoYqqsJWAVdGBerEviX5Db AMhxn2D5FE8R6yu7pp2NKx5bA6kyxcMpC0s1thut/Xge05MWZe8RcSzwfmAXJBbCq3+r OSVQWXnPzYPXrOF9TJe9GoB3Gwo1ooFzmLQyodJogt6x8tq95o5SzobveJLJjnvWiGzM V2eTQyPaP08RZ3lajtu69oejNuL/CynQOTpb68ZZ4z5vuzzcGb8Bu7zFYJYyxKNTOjJ2 GEcKUWWvJIstjnv8XiCXpAkFPQ9nxkn2MdkwjNvZyBMOwFP1DigdLlf+Ez6O0lWxBVvp QqNA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.153.193 with SMTP id b184mr4664896ioe.85.1424873861192; Wed, 25 Feb 2015 06:17:41 -0800 (PST) Sender: erick.red@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.112.7 with HTTP; Wed, 25 Feb 2015 06:17:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 09:17:41 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: uWawyDGPHcc06a7RtPw-e0njVV0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: New Foundation and Emeritus members From: =?UTF-8?Q?Erick_P=C3=A9rez_Castellanos?= To: foundation-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: foundation-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion relating to the GNOME Foundation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 14:17:54 -0000 Hi: > 1. Georges Basile Stavracas Neto (translations, GNOME Calendar Just to clarify George is coding for Calendar, not translating From svebor@open.hr Wed Feb 25 10:48:44 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B55176999 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2015 10:48:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.012 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.012 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Cn8g1K-d6V1K for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2015 10:48:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 359 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at restaurant.gnome.org; Wed, 25 Feb 2015 10:48:41 UTC Received: from close.open.hr (v1.open.hr [83.139.110.51]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BBAA762AF for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2015 10:48:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by close.open.hr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05C192256A for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2015 11:42:28 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at close.open.hr Received: from close.open.hr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (close.open.hr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GznoE6IuWuwO for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2015 11:42:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from toster.cc.fer.hr (toster.cc.fer.hr [161.53.72.102]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by close.open.hr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6948621955 for ; Wed, 25 Feb 2015 11:42:27 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <1424860947.363.35.camel@open.hr> Subject: Gnome at DORS/CLUC 2015 in May, Zagreb, Croatia - an invitation From: Svebor =?UTF-8?Q?Prsta=C4=8Di=C4=87?= To: foundation-list@gnome.org Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 11:42:27 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.12.11 (3.12.11-1.fc21) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 18:14:43 +0000 X-BeenThere: foundation-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion relating to the GNOME Foundation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2015 10:48:44 -0000 Dear all, Following a brief conversation at FOSDEM with Gnome booth staff, I would like to invite Gnome to attend FLOSS conference in Zagreb, Croatia. The conference will take place from 18th – 20th of May. We would very much like to have a Gnome booth at the venue, and potentially a Gnome related keynote. In hope there will be interest in this, some more details are below, and of course I can provide additional info if required. *** DORS/CLUC is the oldest (22nd this year) and biggest conference on free software and open source in Croatia and region. Organization is led by two croatian NGOs: Croatian Linux Users' Association HULK (www.linux.hr) and Croatian Association for Open Systems and Internet HrOpen (www.hropen.hr). DORS/CLUC has always been a meeting place of hackers, small and medium businesses and enterprises that share experiences and possibilities they create. Last few years we had between 250 – 300 attendees per conference, e.g. 2014.dorscluc.org/en. This year conference will take place at Faculty of Electrical Engineering and Computing, University of Zagreb (www.fer.hr/en). There are over 3000 students and around 500 employees on the Faculty. And that made us eager to put booths area this year, accessible to everyone; conference attendees, students and other visitors. Kind regards, -- Svebor Prstačić President of HrOpen http://2015.dorscluc.org From nekohayo@gmail.com Thu Feb 26 21:34:27 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: foundation-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A721176A66 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2015 21:34:27 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vAyyC3-rl1aT for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2015 21:34:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ie0-f176.google.com (mail-ie0-f176.google.com [209.85.223.176]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9803E7699B for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2015 21:34:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iecat20 with SMTP id at20so21531711iec.12 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2015 13:34:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:subject:from:to:date:content-type:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=mS7EpPrjVxMfka4fS360c716AzsA3NQsA73shagcP5I=; b=RzikUOM8VsFF/M0VKI5viRsr8UDkvLuZA3DeuSO5rU19rIzob6VnJe1fObjmtVcXuh hL2ccWh4UiPUFehpvKRuAW9QA2DHsEZmjsW/n0jUu9d/GCCLA3O/8+FgNti4qtOtlg3g YRoSVLdwV2FcJBJyNBlof4CdmD5Y2CMcGrdAAyrUiRQh43/lGQfaeiISTnX3dOJkqhha dBZDTheEpDTEQiPz8LA8lN/hTJU3uuH9PZRQuo/ycN+23ORgWZ90QdamEeOYyieEngCF V83lk10q1r9Sa2NvWToesemDekGi3BGpjQvRePCMiDUWLdbqmNMFWRaXl8lMbaRkZYcj +TPg== X-Received: by 10.42.201.78 with SMTP id ez14mr12189606icb.22.1424986454309; Thu, 26 Feb 2015 13:34:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from kuze ([142.137.113.96]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id k18sm13675igt.5.2015.02.26.13.34.12 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 26 Feb 2015 13:34:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <1424986451.14911.11.camel@gmail.com> Subject: Agenda for board meeting on February 27th From: Jeff Fortin Tam To: foundation-list@gnome.org Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 16:34:11 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.12.10 (3.12.10-1.fc21) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: foundation-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion relating to the GNOME Foundation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2015 21:34:27 -0000 Hello Foundation members! The board will be having its regular meeting this Friday at 17h UTC. Here's an overview of the proposed agenda/topics for this meeting: * Augmented mission statement document for a donation requirement * ED search - status of adboard outreach, and next steps * Fundraising assistance for a new font for GNOME? The board was asked if it would be willing/able to assist in raising funding for Telder, by doing some (or all) of the following: asking adboard members for funds; committing a certain amount from existing resources; approaching other bodies to provide funding (if any); endorsing/supporting a public fundraiser, or crowdfunding campaign. * Outreachy-related votes, if not resolved on mailing list before then * What to do with non-paying adboard members * Sponsorship for GNOME Asia & GUADEC * Review action items for completeness and status * etc. (Other topics may be brewing in the backlog but not included in the meeting agenda until they have reached the required threshold of information or discussion on the board list) If you would like the board to discuss any particular issues at the next meeting, you are welcome to request additions to the agenda here.

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