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Hello!

 I would like to write a epiphany extension in python which manages the
cookies, in a lot more fine grained mode than the currently available. For
example to allow every PHPSESSION session cookies, but to reject every
__utma cookies, and so on. Unfortunately i can't figure out how to access
"ephy-cookie-manager" from python. The second thing with I probably will
have some problems is that from the documentation (
http://www.gnome.org/projects/epiphany/documentation/reference/epiphany-ephy-cookie-manager.html)
it seems to me, that currently it is not possible to add some callback
function which gets called every time when a new cookie is offered by a
webserver. Am I right? Is there any easy solution for me?

Thanks in advance
BR
 Zsombor

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<br>Hello!<br><br>&nbsp;I would like to write a epiphany extension in python which manages the cookies, in a lot more fine grained mode than the currently available. For example to allow every PHPSESSION session cookies, but to reject every __utma cookies, and so on. Unfortunately i can't figure out how to access &quot;ephy-cookie-manager&quot; from python. The second thing with I probably will have some problems is that from the documentation (
<a href="http://www.gnome.org/projects/epiphany/documentation/reference/epiphany-ephy-cookie-manager.html">http://www.gnome.org/projects/epiphany/documentation/reference/epiphany-ephy-cookie-manager.html</a>) it seems to me, that currently it is not possible to add some callback function which gets called every time when a new cookie is offered by a webserver. Am I right? Is there any easy solution for me? 
<br><br>Thanks in advance<br>BR<br>&nbsp;Zsombor<br>

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On Tue, 2006-05-09 at 12:03 +0200, Zsombor wrote:
>=20
> Hello!
>=20
>  I would like to write a epiphany extension in python which manages
> the cookies, in a lot more fine grained mode than the currently
> available. For example to allow every PHPSESSION session cookies, but
> to reject every __utma cookies, and so on. Unfortunately i can't
> figure out how to access "ephy-cookie-manager" from python. The second
> thing with I probably will have some problems is that from the
> documentation
> ( http://www.gnome.org/projects/epiphany/documentation/reference/epiphany=
-ephy-cookie-manager.html) it seems to me, that currently it is not possibl=
e to add some callback function which gets called every time when a new coo=
kie is offered by a webserver. Am I right? Is there any easy solution for m=
e?=20

For the moment, you'll have to write it in C. When PyXPCOM is supported,
this will be possible. (There may be a way to hack Epiphany proper to
allow such a callback; but I don't think it exists now, and using
PyXPCOM would certainly be the better approach.)

--=20
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On 9/5/06, Adam Hooper <adamh@densi.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2006-05-09 at 12:03 +0200, Zsombor wrote:
> >
> > Hello!
> >
> >  I would like to write a epiphany extension in python which manages
> > the cookies, in a lot more fine grained mode than the currently
> > available. For example to allow every PHPSESSION session cookies, but
> > to reject every __utma cookies, and so on. Unfortunately i can't
> > figure out how to access "ephy-cookie-manager" from python. The second
> > thing with I probably will have some problems is that from the
> > documentation
> > (
> http://www.gnome.org/projects/epiphany/documentation/reference/epiphany-ephy-cookie-manager.html)
> it seems to me, that currently it is not possible to add some callback
> function which gets called every time when a new cookie is offered by a
> webserver. Am I right? Is there any easy solution for me?
>
> For the moment, you'll have to write it in C. When PyXPCOM is supported,
> this will be possible. (There may be a way to hack Epiphany proper to
> allow such a callback; but I don't think it exists now, and using
> PyXPCOM would certainly be the better approach.)
>
> --
> Adam Hooper
> adamh@densi.com



Thanks, that's what I afraid of. From googling around I saw some emails from
1-2 years ago, when it is discussed, and some build instructions (
http://live.gnome.org/Epiphany/EphyPython/PyXPCOM), and I'm wondering why
there is no further development occured since ? Is there any blocking issue
which prevents to include the python binding? Is it not stable enough?
Because without this, the plugin development is very restricted to small UI
related functionalities. Because very limited number of programmers really
enjoys working in C in such a complicated environment, when a small, badly
behaving plugin can segfault the whole browser.

BR,
 Zsombor Gegesy

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<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 9/5/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Adam Hooper</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:adamh@densi.com">adamh@densi.com</a>&gt; wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
On Tue, 2006-05-09 at 12:03 +0200, Zsombor wrote:<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Hello!<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;I would like to write a epiphany extension in python which manages<br>&gt; the cookies, in a lot more fine grained mode than the currently
<br>&gt; available. For example to allow every PHPSESSION session cookies, but<br>&gt; to reject every __utma cookies, and so on. Unfortunately i can't<br>&gt; figure out how to access &quot;ephy-cookie-manager&quot; from python. The second
<br>&gt; thing with I probably will have some problems is that from the<br>&gt; documentation<br>&gt; ( <a href="http://www.gnome.org/projects/epiphany/documentation/reference/epiphany-ephy-cookie-manager.html">http://www.gnome.org/projects/epiphany/documentation/reference/epiphany-ephy-cookie-manager.html
</a>) it seems to me, that currently it is not possible to add some callback function which gets called every time when a new cookie is offered by a webserver. Am I right? Is there any easy solution for me?<br><br>For the moment, you'll have to write it in C. When PyXPCOM is supported,
<br>this will be possible. (There may be a way to hack Epiphany proper to<br>allow such a callback; but I don't think it exists now, and using<br>PyXPCOM would certainly be the better approach.)<br><br>--<br>Adam Hooper<br>
<a href="mailto:adamh@densi.com">adamh@densi.com</a></blockquote><div><br><br>Thanks, that's what I afraid of. From googling around I saw some emails from 1-2 years ago, when it is discussed, and some build instructions (
<a href="http://live.gnome.org/Epiphany/EphyPython/PyXPCOM">http://live.gnome.org/Epiphany/EphyPython/PyXPCOM</a>), and I'm wondering why there is no further development occured since ? Is there any blocking issue which prevents to include the python binding? Is it not stable enough? Because without this, the plugin development is very restricted to small UI related functionalities. Because very limited number of programmers really enjoys working in C in such a complicated environment, when a small, badly behaving plugin can segfault the whole browser.
<br><br>BR,<br>&nbsp;Zsombor Gegesy<br>&nbsp;</div><br></div><br>

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On Wed, 2006-06-09 at 11:22 +0200, Zsombor wrote:
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> Thanks, that's what I afraid of. From googling around I saw some
> emails from 1-2 years ago, when it is discussed, and some build
> instructions ( http://live.gnome.org/Epiphany/EphyPython/PyXPCOM), and
> I'm wondering why there is no further development occured since ? Is
> there any blocking issue which prevents to include the python binding?
> Is it not stable enough?

Those build instructions will get PyXPCOM into Mozilla, not Epiphany.
(i.e., you can access PyXPCOM from Python within Epiphany, but it's hard
to get a hold of a MozillaEmbed, and so you can't manipulate the page
you're viewing or add signals to the embed.)

About a year ago I wrote a patch that integrates PyXPCOM into Epiphany.
Then the real world prevented me from continuing to work on it. I'm sure
it's the same story with other developers: a simple lack of time.

All that's really needed:
- Distributions have to provide PyXPCOM. This is a simple matter of
time, but we could probably speed it up if we compiled it standalone (if
such a thing is possible) and/or bugged the proper people downstream.
- A patch to Epiphany which gives access to MozillaEmbeds from
EphyEmbeds (I believe MozillaEmbed is the only class extensions will
need to access which isn't a singleton). This I've already done, though
my patch has since bitrotted and it wasn't the most beautiful thing in
the first place. Still, it's a day's work at most.

--=20
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How can I get epiphany store the state (e.g. tabs opened with the
corresponding pages loaded) between one session and another one?

I've noticed that when epiphany crashes (e.g. when the session manager
crashes) epiphany asks whether to restore the previous state, so it should be
possible to perform this in "normal" restarts too.

A pointer to the appropriate documentation is sufficient (I couldn't
find nothing).

Thanks in advance
--
Stefano
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On 9/7/06, Stefano Sabatini <stefano.sabatini-lala@poste.it> wrote:
> How can I get epiphany store the state (e.g. tabs opened with the
> corresponding pages loaded) between one session and another one?

There's a current extension for this:
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=316245

> I've noticed that when epiphany crashes (e.g. when the session manager
> crashes) epiphany asks whether to restore the previous state, so it should be
> possible to perform this in "normal" restarts too.

I agree; I think an extension is not the way to do this, since
obviously the code to do it is already working.  I've gotten no
response about that on the bug though.... :(

Cheers,
Andrew
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Hello Stefano,

Op donderdag 07-09-2006 om 17:23 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Stefano
Sabatini:
> How can I get epiphany store the state (e.g. tabs opened with the
> corresponding pages loaded) between one session and another one?

You can tell GNOME to save its session between logging out and in in the
GNOME preferences. Epiphany's session will be saved and restored as
well. The conceptual model behind Epiphany only knows open or closed
pages, there is no special provision for when the executable is started
or stopped.

However, there are more people who desire a "session saver" just for
Epiphany. There's an enhancement request for epiphany-extensions about
that here:

http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=316245

Thanks for using Epiphany!

regards,

-- 
Reinout van Schouwen


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I'm noticing that the gnome-webcore CVS branch is unmaintained 22 months
now.  Also Epiphany seems to be based on GECKO, the Firefox/Mozilla
back-end renderer.

I guess the simplest question is probably the best:  Why not
Epiphany/Webcore and Epiphany/GECKO?  Not a fork, but a back-end plug
architecture (Read: buzz buzz buzz) that allows users to switch their
rendering engine either during run (redraw the page on the new engine)
or with a restart.

I see a number of advantages to being able to hot or cold switch
engines:

 - Right now, Wordpress and CMS Made Simple's AJAX is perfectly capable
   of making Firefox and Epiphany 1) Lag for 10 seconds at a time;
   and/or 2) spontaneously crash (enough to trigger the crash
   detector).  This is a bug in Gecko; Epiphany does the same thing, so
   will Mozilla and anything else using the GRE.  Obvious work-around:
   Pick another engine.

 - There would be more freedom for Gnome developers to improve the
   Webcore/KHTML rendering engine.  Memory usage for example is
   atrocious in Firefox, hundreds of megabytes after several hours of
   browsing with one or two tabs open.  Epiphany somehow manages to use
   20 megabytes MORE memory than Firefox, probably because Firefox is
   XUL and Epiphany just sticks GRE inside a GTK+ window (I think).

 - Gecko will not entertain GTK+ buttons; KHTML entertains Qt widgets,
   Webcore could be made to entertain GTK+ widgets.

--=20
John Moser <john.r.moser@gmail.com>

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I recall there is a version (probably 2.14.x) of epiphany that, when I
click on "Open link in new tab", it creates a tab near the current tab
instead of the end of the tab list.
I can't do that now with 2.16.0. Is there any trick to make that happen again?
Thanks
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On 9/9/06, Javier Donaire <jdonaire@gmail.com> wrote:
> You must load the "Tab Groups" extension from the official extensions package.
Ahh. Thanks. I didn't remember I had loaded that plugin :)

> Opening tabs at the end, is the most annoying thing I experiment when
> I have to use Firefox. I think this should be the default behavior,
> and be deactivated with an extension :-)
Yes. Perhaps we should ship some default plugins with epiphany and
open epiphany-extensions' door for others, wilder extensions.
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On Fri, 2006-08-09 at 17:36 -0400, John Moser wrote:

> I guess the simplest question is probably the best:  Why not
> Epiphany/Webcore and Epiphany/GECKO?  Not a fork, but a back-end plug
> architecture (Read: buzz buzz buzz) that allows users to switch their
> rendering engine either during run (redraw the page on the new engine)
> or with a restart.

The simplest answer is also best: because it's a lot of work.

Ages ago a proof-of-concept was written. As far as I know, GTK/Webcore
already exists for Nokia's internet tablet, and it's open-source. Some
Epiphany developers tried to adapt it into Epiphany (which already has
an architecture allowing plugging in separate backends) and it worked.
Between that and a finished product is some hard work to shake out the
bugs and some years of debugging to make it reliable.

So, technically, there's no reason not to do it. Realistically, it's a
matter of putting in a lot of effort.

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On Sat, 2006-09-09 at 08:57 +0700, Nguy=E1=BB=85n Th=C3=A1i Ng=E1=BB=8Dc Du=
y wrote:

> Yes. Perhaps we should ship some default plugins with epiphany and
> open epiphany-extensions' door for others, wilder extensions.

Right now epiphany-extensions consists of high-quality, very commonly
demanded extensions. I'm of the opinion it should stay that way (so that
people who install epiphany and epiphany-extensions get some guarantee
of not crashing). I think wilder extensions should be distributed by
third parties (and not the Epiphany team).

Ideally there would be a website showing off all the wilder extensions.
But nobody's written one, so there isn't :).

--=20
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On Fri, 2006-09-08 at 23:48 -0400, Adam Hooper wrote:
> On Fri, 2006-08-09 at 17:36 -0400, John Moser wrote:
>=20
> > I guess the simplest question is probably the best:  Why not
> > Epiphany/Webcore and Epiphany/GECKO?  Not a fork, but a back-end plug
> > architecture (Read: buzz buzz buzz) that allows users to switch their
> > rendering engine either during run (redraw the page on the new engine)
> > or with a restart.
>=20
> The simplest answer is also best: because it's a lot of work.
>=20

So simply, we're talking a bad cost-benefit ratio.  Obviously if there
was a benefit seen by developers, or a high enough end user demand, it'd
be done by now.

> Ages ago a proof-of-concept was written. As far as I know, GTK/Webcore
> already exists for Nokia's internet tablet, and it's open-source. Some
> Epiphany developers tried to adapt it into Epiphany (which already has
> an architecture allowing plugging in separate backends) and it worked.
> Between that and a finished product is some hard work to shake out the
> bugs and some years of debugging to make it reliable.
>=20
> So, technically, there's no reason not to do it. Realistically, it's a
> matter of putting in a lot of effort.

Technically there's almost no reason to do it as well, am I correct?
(besides, of course, the convenient smoke-and-mirrors ideas of "some
users prefer X to Y" and "sometimes X has bugs not in Y and vice versa")

>=20
> Adam
--=20
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Op vrijdag 08-09-2006 om 23:51 uur [tijdzone -0400], schreef Adam
Hooper:

> Ideally there would be a website showing off all the wilder extensions.
> But nobody's written one, so there isn't :).

Well, there's this page:

http://mike.depalatis.net/epiphany/extensions.html

But it's more of a listing than a "show off" site. :-)

regards,

-- 
Reinout van Schouwen

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On Sat, 2006-09-09 at 00:36 -0400, John Moser wrote:
> On Fri, 2006-09-08 at 23:48 -0400, Adam Hooper wrote:

> > So, technically, there's no reason not to do it. Realistically, it's a
> > matter of putting in a lot of effort.
>=20
> Technically there's almost no reason to do it as well, am I correct?
> (besides, of course, the convenient smoke-and-mirrors ideas of "some
> users prefer X to Y" and "sometimes X has bugs not in Y and vice versa")

Well, there's certainly reason to do it -- otherwise, you wouldn't have
written to the list in the first place :). A small part of the reason is
purely political -- "look, Mozilla, we don't need you, we *choose* you,
so don't give us reason to switch". With the existing proof-of-concept,
this is already available to us. The rest is technical: smaller memory
footprint, potentially faster page loads, works better for a few web
pages, etc.

But webcore has a large set of bugs. Having used Gecko for ages,
Epiphany developers are aware of most of the icky Mozilla bugs, but the
webcore ones would be brand new. That leads to:

- a huge amount of effort to work around some annoyances (witness just
how much work went into Epiphany's "focus location bar on new tab"
behaviour)
- a huge amount of effort to fix webcore where it doesn't play nice with
Epiphany
- after all that, double the current effort just to maintain Epiphany

So, the cost is high. We're not quite sure just how much benefit there
is. Who knows -- there's a chance that the benefit outweighs the cost
(at least to certain people). And the beauty of open-source is that
anybody who's willing can go ahead and do it, and then we'll really
know.

But nobody wants to :).

--=20
Adam Hooper
adamh@densi.com

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On Sat, 2006-09-09 at 09:15 -0400, Adam Hooper wrote:
> On Sat, 2006-09-09 at 00:36 -0400, John Moser wrote:
> > On Fri, 2006-09-08 at 23:48 -0400, Adam Hooper wrote:
>=20
> > > So, technically, there's no reason not to do it. Realistically, it's =
a
> > > matter of putting in a lot of effort.
> >=20
> > Technically there's almost no reason to do it as well, am I correct?
> > (besides, of course, the convenient smoke-and-mirrors ideas of "some
> > users prefer X to Y" and "sometimes X has bugs not in Y and vice versa"=
)
>=20
> Well, there's certainly reason to do it -- otherwise, you wouldn't have
> written to the list in the first place :). A small part of the reason is
> purely political -- "look, Mozilla, we don't need you, we *choose* you,
> so don't give us reason to switch". With the existing proof-of-concept,

I move that Mozilla is not Microsoft and so does not care, they'll just
push Firefox anyway.  As long as IE dies they're happy.

> this is already available to us. The rest is technical: smaller memory
> footprint, potentially faster page loads, works better for a few web
> pages, etc.
>=20

Are you saying it DOES have a smaller footprint, or that it possibly
does?

> But webcore has a large set of bugs. Having used Gecko for ages,
> Epiphany developers are aware of most of the icky Mozilla bugs, but the
> webcore ones would be brand new. That leads to:
>=20

Webcore has been unmaintained for 22 months according to CVS.

> - a huge amount of effort to work around some annoyances (witness just
> how much work went into Epiphany's "focus location bar on new tab"
> behaviour)
> - a huge amount of effort to fix webcore where it doesn't play nice with
> Epiphany
> - after all that, double the current effort just to maintain Epiphany
>=20

Possibly, could Webcore be taught to behave in a minimalist manner (i.e.
put the JavaScript engine into another module, separate out whatever
else is possible) so that it could be loaded in various configurations,
including:

 - A complete Web rendering engine
 - A minimalized, low footprint rendering engine

This could possibly share the 'double' effort by paving the way for
GtkHtml 4.0, if you could get the memory footprint low enough.  I'm not
sure what GtkHtml is based on right now but it's only used for minimal
things, no JavaScript, etc; and this means I'm not sure if you could get
something like Webcore matching its low low memory footprint in a
minimal configuration.

Anyway, my point is Webcore could possibly be useful in places other
than simply as an Epiphany back-end.  Evolution could use it for HTML
desktop for example.  OK so I have no good examples ;)

Another consideration, if the back-end plug architecture is good enough,
the 'old' Webcore/Mozilla modules should work with 'new' Epiphany after
upgrades, like XMMS plug-ins work with XMMS after upgrade.

> So, the cost is high. We're not quite sure just how much benefit there
> is. Who knows -- there's a chance that the benefit outweighs the cost
> (at least to certain people). And the beauty of open-source is that
> anybody who's willing can go ahead and do it, and then we'll really
> know.
>=20
> But nobody wants to :).

Because the cost is too high, and the benefit is not visible :)

Anyway, thanks.  At this point I know that this is a cost-benefit issue
and not a political issue (you wouldn't believe how vehemently some
projects fight for the status quo).
>=20
--=20
John Moser <john.r.moser@gmail.com>

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Hi;

I like to keep Epiphany's bookmark minimized as an icon on my Gnome
panel Windows Switcher.  I launch favourite URL sites from there.

Is there a way to log out with the Bookmark icon on the panel and then
re-login so that the Bookmark is returned to the panel without opening
Epiphany in the foreground first?


-- 
Regards Bill

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Hi,

Le lundi 11 septembre 2006 =C3=A0 05:31 -0500, Diego Escalante a =C3=A9crit=
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> - Flameable: Stuff that might need to be discussed or stuff that needs
> a dictatorial yes or no.
> - Obsoleted by nud: Bugs related to download manager. This bugs will
> be obsoleted in 2.18 if matusalehm is integrated in this development
> cycle, if there's no matusalehm for 2.18 some of this bugs have
> patches (well only #337936 if I'm not wrong) or might be easily
> killeable.
I've tagged a few others as "mathusalem" in the status whiteboard so we
can find and mass-close once that's done, so we should do that with
these bugs too.

I've changed *some* of the bugs in bgo already, only commenting about
some of the bugs not touched yet:

> =3DFlameable:
Yes, some of these are flammable... I'd just let them alone :)

> Bug 323810 =E2=80=93 No obvious way to switch off image loading
Valid, IMHO.
> Bug 339211 =E2=80=93 Stored passwords easily discoverable
Should dup this to the 'use gnome-keyring' bug.

> Bug 317248 =E2=80=93 make a distinction between bookmarks and history ent=
ries
> in the dropdown URL menu (location bar)
> Bug 328499 =E2=80=93 Font preferences improvements
> Bug 325624 =E2=80=93 Disable Print / Send to menu items for blank page
> Bug 351571 =E2=80=93 Location entry should allow undo and redo operations
All valid.

> Bug 351730 =E2=80=93 Keep findbar open when opening links in new tabs
Not sure.

> Bug 354058 =E2=80=93 use file watches on more than just the .html
Nice idea but probably unimplementable?

> Bug 307969 =E2=80=93 Open in new tab by default in the bookmark window
WONTFIX, IMHO.

> Bug 321226 =E2=80=93 Bookmark editor doesn't remember how I left it
Undecided.

> Bug 333937 =E2=80=93 [bme] File menu should have another name
What does the HIG say here?

> =3DEasy:
> Bug 347750 =E2=80=93 middle click on "home" button doesn't create a new t=
ab
Yes, easy.

> Bug 336739 =E2=80=93 Right click on textarea should provide "Select all"
Semi-easy (might need some gecko interaction).

> Bug 350106 =E2=80=93 Method to query Epiphany for its version
Easy.

> Bug 351100 =E2=80=93 add keyboard shortcut to delete bookmark/topics
Easy.

> Bug 351470 =E2=80=93 Merge bookmark topics
Maybe easy... harves will know :)

We can tag those with the 'gnome-love' kw.

>=20
> =3DWeird:
> Bug 343238 =E2=80=93 Download icon's tooltip in notification area moves a=
round
Unreproducible for me...

> Bug 171135 =E2=80=93 check ContentHandler::Show
> Bug 159912 =E2=80=93 back/forward/up drop-down arrows have no accessible =
name
Valid.


Thanks for the list!

Regards,
	Christian

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Hello everyone.
I started working on getting full rss (and atom) support into epiphany.
And here is the first result that I can show to the public without
wearing a brown paper bag. ;)

Just extract it to the extensions directory and add "rss-reader" to the
main makefile. I have only tested it with 2.14 yet, but it should work
with cvs as well.

There's not much ui now (and there won't be much more when it's
finished). At the moment it just adds a "news" item to the "go" menu.
When clicked, the extension will download the feed files and show them
in the active tab. The feeds are hard-coded, because i'd like some
opinions on the general approach first.

As this is a very early version, it has some more or less annoying
issues. Just try to ignore them for now.

Comments are very welcome.

Regards,
Martin Schoen

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I'm forwarding an email from the debian-user list since I've noticed the
same behaviour before but never bothered to take it up on this list.
What is happening? What is ephy "doing wrong"?

Is it fixed in 2.16?

/M

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Mark Grieveson wrote:
> Hello.  On some pages, quotation marks and apostrophes are not rendered 
> with Epiphany browser on my computer.  Most frequently this occurs on
> large sites which use a content management system of some sort.  For
> example, the Toronto Star's site, at www.thestar.com.  The cover-page is
> fine, but links to the various stories are not properly displayed by
> Epiphany.  I use Epiphany version 2.14.2.1, on Etch.
> 
> Is there a way to correct this?  A package I could install, or
> something?  Note, these pages display fine on Firefox, but I prefer
> Epiphany.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 

Now that you point it out I see the problem too when using Epiphany
2.14.3 (Sid). There are some "UTF" like codes which are displayed. The
codes change to "normal" characters when the Text Encoding is changed to
"Western (Windows-1252)" from the one detected by default - Western
(ISO-8859-1).

Firefox shows normal text for the ISO-8859-1 encoding (the default
content-type for the HTML page - see source). But if you change the
encoding UTF-8 or ISO-8859-15 in Firefox, you will notice the same weird
behaviour for some of the punctuation marks. It seems that Epiphany is
using the same character encoding for ISO-8859-1 as ISO-8859-15.


Does Epiphany being based on Gecko have anything to do with character
encoding being used/displayed? I'm no expert on this, but thought that
this should be pointed out as Epiphany in Etch is not the only version
showing the odd behaviour.

/kS


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P=C3=A5 Thu, Sep 14, 2006 at 07:55:08AM +0100, Magnus Therning skrev:
> Mark Grieveson wrote:
> > Hello.  On some pages, quotation marks and apostrophes are not rendered=
=20
> > with Epiphany browser on my computer.  Most frequently this occurs on
> > large sites which use a content management system of some sort.  For
> > example, the Toronto Star's site, at www.thestar.com.  The cover-page is
> > fine, but links to the various stories are not properly displayed by
> > Epiphany.  I use Epiphany version 2.14.2.1, on Etch.
> >=20
> > Is there a way to correct this?  A package I could install, or
> > something?  Note, these pages display fine on Firefox, but I prefer
> > Epiphany.
>=20
> Now that you point it out I see the problem too when using Epiphany
> 2.14.3 (Sid). There are some "UTF" like codes which are displayed. The
> codes change to "normal" characters when the Text Encoding is changed to
> "Western (Windows-1252)" from the one detected by default - Western
> (ISO-8859-1).

I guess the characters are U+0091 (PRIVATE USE 1) and U+0092 (PRIVATE USE
2), which are used in the cp-12523 (windows) character set to encode curly
opening and closing quote characters. These characters are not compatible
with iso8859-1 (nor UTF-8).

The correct fix would be to convince the document authors to use either
entities (&lsquo; and &rsquo;) or the correct quote characters (refer to the
unicode charts for the exact character; I'm too lazy to check this right
now).

Since that is not going to work perhaps a simple 'replace U+0091 and U+0092
with real quote characters' fix could be implemented in Gecko or Epiphany.

  mvrgr, Wouter

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On Thu, Sep 14, 2006 at 09:55:51 +0200, Wouter Bolsterlee wrote:
>P=E5 Thu, Sep 14, 2006 at 07:55:08AM +0100, Magnus Therning skrev:

Shouldn't it be "..., skrev Magnus Therning:"? :-)

>> Mark Grieveson wrote:
>> > Hello.  On some pages, quotation marks and apostrophes are not rendere=
d=20
>> > with Epiphany browser on my computer.  Most frequently this occurs on
>> > large sites which use a content management system of some sort.  For
>> > example, the Toronto Star's site, at www.thestar.com.  The cover-page =
is
>> > fine, but links to the various stories are not properly displayed by
>> > Epiphany.  I use Epiphany version 2.14.2.1, on Etch.
>> >=20
>> > Is there a way to correct this?  A package I could install, or
>> > something?  Note, these pages display fine on Firefox, but I prefer
>> > Epiphany.
>>=20
>> Now that you point it out I see the problem too when using Epiphany
>> 2.14.3 (Sid). There are some "UTF" like codes which are displayed. The
>> codes change to "normal" characters when the Text Encoding is changed to
>> "Western (Windows-1252)" from the one detected by default - Western
>> (ISO-8859-1).
>
>I guess the characters are U+0091 (PRIVATE USE 1) and U+0092 (PRIVATE
>USE 2), which are used in the cp-12523 (windows) character set to
>encode curly opening and closing quote characters. These characters are
>not compatible with iso8859-1 (nor UTF-8).

Yes, I see 0092 and also 0093 and 0094.

>The correct fix would be to convince the document authors to use either
>entities (&lsquo; and &rsquo;) or the correct quote characters (refer
>to the unicode charts for the exact character; I'm too lazy to check
>this right now).

Changing the content-type to charset=3Dwindows-1252 also seems to do it.
Interestingly Firefox doens't have a problem with this.  I suspect it's
treating iso-8859-1 as windows1252, since either of those encodings
display it properly. However, changing to iso8859-15 results in
diamond-shaped characters.  Kind of funny.

/M

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Hi everyone,

I'm using the Linky extension in Firefox
( http://gemal.dk/mozilla/linky.html ), and after a quick search, I
found that there wasn't any such extension for Epiphany. That's very
useful for web-based photos albums, so I was thinking about writing my
own extension.

I looked at the sample python extensions in epiphany-extensions CVS, and
I  had a look at epiphany reference documentation, but I couldn't find
any way to "parse" the links in the page and build another tab with all
images loaded in it.

Are epiphany-extensions able to do such things in Python ? Is there any
existing project and / or documentation about such an extension ? Where
could I find a bit of code I could take inspiration from ?

Thanks.

Yachar

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On Sun, 2006-17-09 at 02:41 +0200, yachar wrote:

> I looked at the sample python extensions in epiphany-extensions CVS, and
> I  had a look at epiphany reference documentation, but I couldn't find
> any way to "parse" the links in the page and build another tab with all
> images loaded in it.
>=20
> Are epiphany-extensions able to do such things in Python ? Is there any
> existing project and / or documentation about such an extension ? Where
> could I find a bit of code I could take inspiration from ?

At the moment, this isn't supported. PyXPCOM will let us play with this
sort of things, but we don't have the hooks written yet (and PyXPCOM
isn't part of any distributions yet). This is simply a matter of no
developers taking on the job: we *all* would *love* to integrate with
PyXPCOM. (If anybody listening is interested in doing this, I can
provide a preliminary patch which worked a year ago, and a code review
suggesting improvements. The biggest part of the job wouldn't be the
patch, though. It would be evangelism: getting distributions to ship
PyXPCOM. Or technical: find a way to make PyXPCOM "optional", and find
an easy way to distribute it.)

Without PyXPCOM, you *could* implement a workaround. See error-viewer or
view-source for code (in C) which downloads the current page's source
code. You could do the same thing in Python, and parse the page with a
Python HTML parser. This is undesirable (Mozilla has a better HTML
parser), but it's the best you can do without delving into PyXPCOM.

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Adam Hooper wrote:
> On Sun, 2006-17-09 at 02:41 +0200, yachar wrote:

> At the moment, this isn't supported. PyXPCOM will let us play with this
> sort of things, but we don't have the hooks written yet (and PyXPCOM
> isn't part of any distributions yet).

Actually I saw a python-xpcom package in edgy ;-)
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Yes, there is a python-xpcom package in edgy. It's installable and a
priori usable.

And as the maintainer is Mike Hommey (glandium-at-debian-dot-org), the
package may be available in Debian Sid too ! Below are the package
specifications. If the hardest work was evangelism, then it seems done
(at least for some of the major distributions, but the other would
follow if epiphany ships python-xpcom based extensions).

Is the patch for epiphany integration available somewhere ? I could take
a look, but don't hope too much, I've not coded in C for 8 years now...
since the computer science courses are over... ;-)

yachar@pc:~$ sudo apt-cache show python-xpcom 

Maintainer: Mike Hommey <glandium@debian.org>
Version: 1.8.0.4-2

Description: XPCOM bindings for Python
 PyXPCOM allows for communication between Python and XPCOM, such that a
 Python application can access XPCOM objects, and XPCOM can access any
 Python class that implements an XPCOM interface.
 With PyXPCOM, a developer can talk to XPCOM or embed Gecko from a
 Python application. PyXPCOM is similar to JavaXPCOM (Java-XPCOM bridge)
 or XPConnect (JavaScript-XPCOM bridge).
 
 Install this package if you wish to access XPCOM objects from Python,
or
 want to use Python components from XPCOM.
 
 Homepage: http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/pyxpcom

Le dimanche 17 septembre 2006 à 09:39 +0200, Steve Frécinaux a écrit :
> Adam Hooper wrote:
> > On Sun, 2006-17-09 at 02:41 +0200, yachar wrote:
> 
> > At the moment, this isn't supported. PyXPCOM will let us play with this
> > sort of things, but we don't have the hooks written yet (and PyXPCOM
> > isn't part of any distributions yet).
> 
> Actually I saw a python-xpcom package in edgy ;-)

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On Sun, 2006-17-09 at 09:39 +0200, Steve Fr=C3=A9cinaux wrote:
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>=20
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>=20
> Actually I saw a python-xpcom package in edgy ;-)

Wow! Thanks for letting me know. I'll try to get support into Epiphany
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Hello William,

Op maandag 11-09-2006 om 12:04 uur [tijdzone -0400], schreef William
Case:

> I like to keep Epiphany's bookmark minimized as an icon on my Gnome
> panel Windows Switcher.  I launch favourite URL sites from there.

I'm not quite sure what you mean, are you talking about the bookmark
editor that you keep minimized in your window list?

> Is there a way to log out with the Bookmark icon on the panel and then
> re-login so that the Bookmark is returned to the panel without opening
> Epiphany in the foreground first?

Maybe you could try the following: 
Go to your System > Preferences menu, somewhere below you should find a
"Sessions" item. Activate it and check the box for "Save changes to
session automatically". Now, all programs that you had open when you
logged out, will be opened again when you log in again.

Alternatively, you may try putting 'epiphany -b' in the list of programs
to start, in the rightmost tab of the same Sessions window.

Does this help?

regards,

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On 9/11/06, William Case <billlinux@rogers.com> wrote:
> Hi;
>
> I like to keep Epiphany's bookmark minimized as an icon on my Gnome
> panel Windows Switcher.  I launch favourite URL sites from there.
>
> Is there a way to log out with the Bookmark icon on the panel and then
> re-login so that the Bookmark is returned to the panel without opening
> Epiphany in the foreground first?

There is a .desktop file created for it, IIRC.  Also, you may like the
deskbar-applet; I get a LOT of mileage out of it.
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> > I like to keep Epiphany's bookmark minimized as an icon on my Gnome
> > panel Windows Switcher.  I launch favourite URL sites from there.
> >
> > Is there a way to log out with the Bookmark icon on the panel and then
> > re-login so that the Bookmark is returned to the panel without opening
> > Epiphany in the foreground first?
>
> There is a .desktop file created for it, IIRC.  Also, you may like the
> deskbar-applet; I get a LOT of mileage out of it.

You might also like my Browser Bookmarks Menu applet, the fore-runner
of Deskbar applet.  A screenshot that explains everything is here:
http://browserbookapp.sourceforge.net/

Admittedly, I haven't touched BBM for about a year (since I now,
unsurprisingly, use Deskbar), so I'm not sure if it works perfectly
with the latest and greatest epiphany.  But let me know if it doesn't
work.

Nigel.
(founding author, Deskbar applet)
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Subject: automatic search and .com
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Hi,

I have two questions.

1.) It seems epiphany 2.16 doesn't automatically search with Google,
when you type something what is not a URL in the address field. I can
understood this isn't default anymore, but can I activate it?

I really heavily use it and now got frustated when I type a big search
term and just got an error and my search term is deleted from the
address field and replaced with the URL of the current website.

2.) How can I deactivate the automatic expansion of "foo" to foo.com? I
type a hostname in my local network (which is not known by my computer)
or a keyword and it show me the corresponding .com website. It's pretty
useless for me, because 99% is spam/domain squatters or not related to
my needs.

Regards,

Keywan

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This isn't probably the official way to do it, but IANA Official
Epiphany Developer (TM).

There's a bunch of preferences you can tweak if you point Epiphany at
"about:config".  You don't get there through the menu system, you type
that into the location bar and hit Enter.


> 1.) It seems epiphany 2.16 doesn't automatically search with Google,
> when you type something what is not a URL in the address field. I can
> understood this isn't default anymore, but can I activate it?

Hmm... odd.  I was going to say "look for keyword.URL and
keyword.enabled - and change keyword.enabled to true".  This worked
for me in 2.14, but apparently not in 2.16.


> 2.) How can I deactivate the automatic expansion of "foo" to foo.com?

Look for things starting with browser.fixup, for example, set
browser.fixup.alternate.enabled to false.

Alternatively, a work-around is to explicitly add the http:// to the
start of your request.
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I'm a big fan of epiphany, and use it almost exclusively, but I miss
some extensions. Right now, since I've gone back to school for my
teaching credential and need to do a lot of web-based research, the
one I'd most like to see is a Scrapbook[1]-style extension that would
allow archiving, indexing and annotating webpages. How difficult would
something like that be? If it's possible, and doesn't require too much
effort, I might be able to help someone reduce their Amazon wish lists
by a few items (keeping in mind that I'm going back into debt to pay
for school).

[1] http://amb.vis.ne.jp/mozilla/scrapbook/

Michael Knepher
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Hi Martin,

Op dinsdag 12-09-2006 om 12:42 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Martin
Schön:

> Just extract it to the extensions directory and add "rss-reader" to the
> main makefile. I have only tested it with 2.14 yet, but it should work
> with cvs as well.

I tried this but configure told me I needed epiphany 2.17 (currently I'm
running 2.16 from mandriva cooker). Could anyone refresh my memory on
how to work around this? I'd rather avoid a jhbuild installation...

regards,

-- 
Reinout van Schouwen


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Am Sonntag, den 24.09.2006, 00:37 +0200 schrieb Reinout van Schouwen:
> Hi Martin,
> 
> Op dinsdag 12-09-2006 om 12:42 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Martin
> Schön:
> 
> > Just extract it to the extensions directory and add "rss-reader" to the
> > main makefile. I have only tested it with 2.14 yet, but it should work
> > with cvs as well.
> 
> I tried this but configure told me I needed epiphany 2.17 (currently I'm
> running 2.16 from mandriva cooker). Could anyone refresh my memory on
> how to work around this? I'd rather avoid a jhbuild installation...
> 
> regards,
> 

In configure.ac, line 94 is the required epiphany version.

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Op zondag 24-09-2006 om 23:45 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Martin
Schön:

> In configure.ac, line 94 is the required epiphany version.

Okay so this is fixed now, but I'm still having a hard time making it
work.
I added rss-reader to BUILD_EXTENSIONS and DIST_EXTENSIONS in the
Makefile but it doesn't build. Running ./configure
--with-extensions=rss-reader tells me that the rss-reader extension
doesn't exist, even though it's extracted into the extensions/
directory.

I'm probably overlooking something blindingly obvious here... :-/

regards,

-- 
Reinout van Schouwen

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Am Dienstag, den 26.09.2006, 00:56 +0200 schrieb Reinout van Schouwen:
> Op zondag 24-09-2006 om 23:45 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Martin
> Schön:
> 
> > In configure.ac, line 94 is the required epiphany version.
> 
> Okay so this is fixed now, but I'm still having a hard time making it
> work.
> I added rss-reader to BUILD_EXTENSIONS and DIST_EXTENSIONS in the
> Makefile but it doesn't build. Running ./configure
> --with-extensions=rss-reader tells me that the rss-reader extension
> doesn't exist, even though it's extracted into the extensions/
> directory.
> 
> I'm probably overlooking something blindingly obvious here... :-/
> 
> regards,

Ok, before we have to do a step-by-step, here is my (2.16) configure.ac
file. Put it in the base dir and rebuild. That should hopefully work.

bye
Martin

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# Copyright (c) 2003, 2004, 2005 Christian Persch
#
# This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it
# under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by the
# Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or (at your
# option) any later version.
#
# This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but
# WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
# MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the GNU
# General Public License for more details.
#
# You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License along
# with this program; if not, write to the Free Software Foundation, Inc.,
# 59 Temple Place, Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307  USA
#
# $Id: configure.ac,v 1.226 2006/08/08 21:50:17 jframeau Exp $

AC_INIT([GNOME Web Browser Extensions],[2.16.0],[http://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=epiphany-extensions],[epiphany-extensions])

GNOME_COMMON_INIT

EPIPHANY_API_VERSION=2.16

EPIPHANY_EXTENSIONS_MAJOR=2.16
AC_SUBST(EPIPHANY_EXTENSIONS_MAJOR)

AC_PREREQ([2.59])

AC_REVISION([$Revision: 1.226 $])

AC_CONFIG_SRCDIR([extensions])
AC_CONFIG_HEADERS([config.h])
AC_CONFIG_MACRO_DIR([m4])

AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE([1.9 foreign dist-bzip2 no-dist-gzip tar-ustar])

AM_MAINTAINER_MODE

AM_DISABLE_STATIC
AC_ENABLE_SHARED(yes)
AC_ENABLE_STATIC(no)

AM_PROG_LIBTOOL

AC_ISC_POSIX
AC_PROG_CC

AC_PROG_CXX
AC_HEADER_STDC
AC_PROG_INSTALL
AC_PROG_MAKE_SET

AC_PATH_PROG([GLIB_GENMARSHAL], [glib-genmarshal])

AC_SUBST([AM_CXXFLAGS])

GNOME_DEBUG_CHECK
GNOME_COMPILE_WARNINGS([maximum])
GNOME_CXX_WARNINGS

MORE_WARN_FLAGS=
DEPRECATION_FLAGS=
MOZILLA_WARN_CXXFLAGS="-Wno-ctor-dtor-privacy -Wno-non-virtual-dtor"

if test "x$enable_maintainer_mode" = "xyes"; then
	AC_DEFINE([MAINTAINER_MODE],[1],[Define to enable 'maintainer-only' behaviour])
	enable_debug=yes
        DEPRECATION_FLAGS="-DG_DISABLE_DEPRECATED -DGDK_DISABLE_DEPRECATED -DGDK_PIXBUF_DISABLE_DEPRECATED -DGCONF_DISABLE_DEPRECATED -DGNOME_VFS_DISABLE_DEPRECATED -DLIBGLADE_DISABLE_DEPRECATED -DPANGO_DISABLE_DEPRECATED -DGTK_DISABLE_DEPRECATED -DGNOME_DISABLE_DEPRECATED"
	MOZILLA_WARN_CXXFLAGS="-Wall -Wconversion -Wpointer-arith -Wcast-align -Woverloaded-virtual -Wsynth $MOZILLA_WARN_CXXFLAGS"
fi

# ********************************
# Internationalisation
# ********************************

IT_PROG_INTLTOOL([0.35.0])

GETTEXT_PACKAGE=epiphany-extensions-$EPIPHANY_API_VERSION
AC_SUBST([GETTEXT_PACKAGE])
AC_DEFINE_UNQUOTED([GETTEXT_PACKAGE],["$GETTEXT_PACKAGE"], [Gettext package])
AM_GLIB_GNU_GETTEXT

# ********************************
# Documentation
# ********************************

GNOME_DOC_INIT

# ********************************
# pkg config checks
# ********************************

EPIPHANY_REQUIRED=2.16.0
LIBXML_REQUIRED=2.6.0
LIBGLIB_REQUIRED=2.12.0
LIBGTK_REQUIRED=2.10.0

AC_SUBST([EPIPHANY_REQUIRED])
AC_SUBST([LIBXML_REQUIRED])
AC_SUBST([LIBGLIB_REQUIRED])
AC_SUBST([LIBGTK_REQUIRED])


EPIPHANY_EXTENSION_INIT([$EPIPHANY_API_VERSION], [$EPIPHANY_REQUIRED])

PKG_CHECK_MODULES([EPIPHANY_DEPENDENCY], [\
		  libxml-2.0 >= $LIBXML_REQUIRED \
		  libglade-2.0 \
		  glib-2.0 >= $LIBGLIB_REQUIRED \
		  gmodule-2.0 \
		  gtk+-2.0 >= $LIBGTK_REQUIRED \
		  epiphany-$EPIPHANY_API_VERSION >= $EPIPHANY_REQUIRED])
AC_SUBST([EPIPHANY_DEPENDENCY_CFLAGS])
AC_SUBST([EPIPHANY_DEPENDENCY_LIBS])

# TODO remove the EXTENSIONS_DIR var
EXTENSIONS_DIR=$EPIPHANY_EXTENSIONS_DIR
AC_SUBST([EXTENSIONS_DIR])

# *******************************
# Check for OpenSP
# *******************************

AC_MSG_CHECKING([whether OpenSP support is requested])
AC_ARG_ENABLE([opensp],
	      [ --enable-opensp=[yes,no]    Attempt to use OpenSP for SGML validation [default=yes]],
	      [enable_opensp="$enableval"],
	      [enable_opensp="yes"])
AC_MSG_RESULT([$enable_opensp])

if test "x$enable_opensp" != "xno"; then
	AC_LANG_PUSH([C++])

	AC_CHECK_HEADERS([OpenSP/config.h OpenSP/ParserEventGeneratorKit.h],
			 [have_opensp=yes],
			 [enable_opensp=no have_opensp=no])

	AC_LANG_POP([C++])

	if test "x$have_opensp" = "xno"; then
		AC_MSG_WARN([OpenSP is not installed; OpenSP support disabled])
	fi
fi

AM_CONDITIONAL([HAVE_OPENSP],[test "x$enable_opensp" = "xyes"])

# *******************************
# Extensions
# *******************************

AC_MSG_CHECKING([which extensions to build])

ALL_EXTENSIONS="actions adblock auto-reload auto-scroller certificates error-viewer extensions-manager-ui gestures greasemonkey java-console livehttpheaders page-info permissions push-scroller rss rss-reader sample sample-mozilla select-stylesheet sidebar smart-bookmarks tab-groups tab-states"
USEFUL_EXTENSIONS="actions auto-reload auto-scroller certificates error-viewer extensions-manager-ui gestures java-console page-info push-scroller select-stylesheet sidebar smart-bookmarks tab-groups tab-states"
DEFAULT_EXTENSIONS="actions auto-scroller certificates error-viewer extensions-manager-ui gestures java-console page-info push-scroller select-stylesheet sidebar smart-bookmarks tab-groups tab-states"

PYTHON_ALL_EXTENSIONS="python-console sample-python favicon"
PYTHON_USEFUL_EXTENSIONS="python-console favicon"
PYTHON_DEFAULT_EXTENSIONS="python-console favicon"

DIST_EXTENSIONS="$ALL_EXTENSIONS $PYTHON_ALL_EXTENSIONS"

if test $EPIPHANY_HAS_PYTHON; then
	ALL_EXTENSIONS="$ALL_EXTENSIONS $PYTHON_ALL_EXTENSIONS"
	USEFUL_EXTENSIONS="$USEFUL_EXTENSIONS $PYTHON_USEFUL_EXTENSIONS"
	DEFAULT_EXTENSIONS="$DEFAULT_EXTENSIONS $PYTHON_DEFAULT_EXTENSIONS"
else
	AC_MSG_WARN([Epiphany compiled without python support, extensions $PYTHON_ALL_EXTENSIONS will not be available])
fi

# due to an autoconf bug, commas in the first arg to
# AS_HELP_STRING() cause problems.
#
# AS_HELP_STRING(--with-extensions=ext1,ext2,...,build the specified extensions)
AC_ARG_WITH([extensions],
[  --with-extensions=extension1,extension2,...
			  build the specified extensions. Available:
			  actions, adblock, certificates,
			  error-viewer, extensions-manager-ui, gestures, livehttpheaders,
			  page-info, rss, sample, sampls-mozilla, select-stylesheet,
			  sidebar, smart-bookmarks, tab-groups,
			  as well as the aliases default, all, and really-all],
			  [extensions=$with_extensions],
			  [extensions="default"])

if test "x$with_extensions" = xyes; then
  extensions="default"
fi

need_python=no
EXTENSIONS=
IFS="${IFS=	}"; ephyext_save_ifs="$IFS"; IFS=","
for ext in $extensions; do
 if echo "$ALL_EXTENSIONS" | egrep "(^| )$ext(\$| )" > /dev/null; then
   EXTENSIONS="$EXTENSIONS $ext"
 elif test "x$ext" = "xdefault"; then
   EXTENSIONS="$EXTENSIONS $DEFAULT_EXTENSIONS"
 elif test "x$ext" = "xall"; then
   EXTENSIONS="$EXTENSIONS $USEFUL_EXTENSIONS"
 elif test "x$ext" = "xreally-all"; then
   EXTENSIONS="$EXTENSIONS $ALL_EXTENSIONS"
 else
   AC_MSG_ERROR([the specified extension $ext does not exist])
 fi
 
 if echo "$PYTHON_ALL_EXTENSIONS" | egrep "(^| )$ext(\$| )" > /dev/null; then
   need_python=yes
 fi
done
IFS="$ephyext_save_ifs"

AC_SUBST([DIST_EXTENSIONS])
AC_SUBST([BUILD_EXTENSIONS],[`echo $EXTENSIONS | tr ' ' '\n' | sort | uniq | tr '\n' ' '`])

AC_MSG_RESULT([$EXTENSIONS])

# ****
# DBUS
# ****

if echo "$EXTENSIONS" | egrep '(^| )(rss)($| )' > /dev/null; then
	DBUS_REQUIRED=0.34
	DBUS_GLIB_REQUIRED=0.34

	PKG_CHECK_MODULES([DBUS], [dbus-1 >= $DBUS_REQUIRED dbus-glib-1 >= $DBUS_GLIB_REQUIRED])
fi

# ****
# PCRE
# ****

if echo "$EXTENSIONS" | egrep '(^| )(adblock|greasemonkey)($| )' > /dev/null; then
	AC_PATH_PROG([PCRE_CONFIG], [pcre-config], [no])

	if test "x$PCRE_CONFIG" = "xno"; then
		AC_ERROR([pcre development files not found])
	fi

	PCRE_CFLAGS="`$PCRE_CONFIG --cflags`"
	AC_SUBST([PCRE_CFLAGS])
	PCRE_LIBS="`$PCRE_CONFIG --libs`"
	AC_SUBST([PCRE_LIBS])

	pcre_saved_CFLAGS=$CFLAGS
	pcre_saved_LIBS=$LIBS
	CFLAGS="$CFLAGS $PCRE_CFLAGS"
	LIBS="$LIBS $PCRE_LIBS"

	AC_CACHE_CHECK([whether libpcre was compiled with UTF-8 support],
		[ac_cv_have_preg_utf8_support],
		[AC_RUN_IFELSE(
		 	[AC_LANG_SOURCE(
				 [[#include <pcre.h>

				   int main() {
				     int t;
				     return (pcre_config (PCRE_CONFIG_UTF8, &t) || !t);
				   }]])],
			[ac_cv_have_preg_utf8_support="yes"],
			[ac_cv_have_preg_utf8_support="no"],
			[ac_cv_have_preg_utf8_support="maybe"])])

	CFLAGS=$pcre_saved_CFLAGS
	LIBS=$pcre_saved_LIBS

	if test "$ac_cv_have_preg_utf8_support" != "yes"; then
		AC_ERROR([pcre does not support utf-8])
	fi
fi

# ******
# Python
# ******

if test "x$need_python" = "xyes"; then
	AM_PATH_PYTHON([2.3])

	if test "x$PYTHON" = "x:"; then
		AC_MSG_ERROR([Python not found])
	fi
fi

# *******
# Mozilla
# *******

GECKO_INIT([MOZILLA])

AC_SUBST([MOZILLA])
AC_SUBST([MOZILLA_FLAVOUR])
AC_SUBST([MOZILLA_HOME])
AC_SUBST([MOZILLA_PREFIX])
AC_SUBST([MOZILLA_INCLUDE_ROOT])

case "$MOZILLA" in
xulrunner) min_version=1.8 ;;
*firefox) min_version=1.5 ;;
*) AC_MSG_ERROR([Unsupported gecko "$gecko_cv_gecko"]) ;;
esac

PKG_CHECK_MODULES([MOZILLA_COMPONENT],[${gecko_cv_gecko}-xpcom >= $min_version $gecko_cv_extra_pkg_dependencies])
AC_SUBST([MOZILLA_COMPONENT_CFLAGS])
AC_SUBST([MOZILLA_COMPONENT_LIBS])

# *****************
# Add warning flags
# *****************

AM_CPPFLAGS="$AM_CPPFLAGS $DEPRECATION_FLAGS"
AM_CFLAGS="$AM_CFLAGS $WARN_CFLAGS"
AM_CXXFLAGS="$AM_CXXFLAGS $WARN_CXXFLAGS $MOZILLA_WARN_CXXFLAGS"
AC_SUBST([AM_CPPFLAGS])
AC_SUBST([AM_CFLAGS])
AC_SUBST([AM_CXXFLAGS])

# *******************************
# share/data dir
# *******************************

if test "x${datadir}" = 'x${prefix}/share'; then
  if test "x${prefix}" = "xNONE"; then
    AC_DEFINE_UNQUOTED([EXTENSIONS_DATA_DIR], ["${ac_default_prefix}/share/${PACKAGE}-${EPIPHANY_EXTENSIONS_MAJOR}"], [Directory of data files])
  else
    AC_DEFINE_UNQUOTED([EXTENSIONS_DATA_DIR], ["${prefix}/share/${PACKAGE}-${EPIPHANY_EXTENSIONS_MAJOR}"], [Directory of data files])
  fi
else
  AC_DEFINE_UNQUOTED([EXTENSIONS_DATA_DIR], ["${datadir}/${PACKAGE}-${EPIPHANY_EXTENSIONS_MAJOR}"], [Directory of data files])
fi

# *******************************
# *******************************

AC_CONFIG_FILES([
Makefile
include/Makefile
extensions/Makefile
extensions/actions/Makefile
extensions/adblock/Makefile
extensions/auto-reload/Makefile
extensions/auto-scroller/Makefile
extensions/certificates/Makefile
extensions/gestures/Makefile
extensions/error-viewer/Makefile
extensions/error-viewer/mozilla/Makefile
extensions/error-viewer/opensp/Makefile
extensions/extensions-manager-ui/Makefile
extensions/favicon/Makefile
extensions/greasemonkey/Makefile
extensions/greasemonkey/mozilla/Makefile
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	Epiphany API version	   : $EPIPHANY_API_VERSION
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Hi Guys,

First of all, thanks for Epiphany.  I like the Gnome integration, the
memory footprint, and the fact that it is a browser by the
Unix/Linux/BSD community, for the Unix/Linux/BSD community, unlike some
other browser makers who are becoming increasingly difficult to deal
with.

Anyway, I'm migrating to Epiphany and there are a couple of features I'm
missing.  I'm hoping that I'm just not looking in the right place.

I'd like to be able to force anything that would normally open in a new
window to open in a tab in the current window.

Also, I find it quite handy to be able to have all instances of my
search term highlighted when I do a find (ctrl-f).

Thanks for any assistance,
Steve Bergman



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I recently asked about this. Let me paste the relevant conversations for
you. Sorry I know this is long guys, Just wanted to put this in here so
we don't all have to repeat ourselves.

Brendan

Read on for copied messages:





Message: 1
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 16:27:52 -0500
From: Brendan Martens <shrift@gmail.com>
Subject: epiphany tab functionality
To: epiphany-list@gnome.org
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Hi. I generally love epiphany but there is one real show stopper for me.
I cannot tell epiphany to force new windows into a new tab. I feel like
this is a required option, especially given the varied user base that
epiphany has. Maybe I'm just missing something, but as far as I can tell
there is no where to define this. Does anyone know about how I could
change that / if not, is it possible to include as an option for the
next release? For the record, I'm using 2.14.3.

Also, Epiphany tabs will not ctrl+tab or ctrl+shift+tab cycle. I am
quite used to this as most gnome apps support this functionality, is it
possible to get that into Epiphany as well?

I'd love to fill out a feature request if that is the next step for
these things... Just thought I'd check here first.

Thanks!





Message: 1
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 01:19:25 +0200
From: Stefan Stuhr <gnomelists@sstuhr.dk>
Subject: Re: epiphany tab functionality
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fre, 25 08 2006 kl. 16:27 -0500, skrev Brendan Martens:
> Also, Epiphany tabs will not ctrl+tab or ctrl+shift+tab cycle. I am
> quite used to this as most gnome apps support this functionality, is
it
> possible to get that into Epiphany as well?

You can use my "Tab Key Tab Navigate" extension for this. It's available
at http://www.sstuhr.dk/epiphany-extensions/

Also; which true GNOME applications support this (without the use of
extensions/plugins)?

Stefan





Thanks for your feedback. Indeed this is not the first time that the 
subject has been brought up. Epiphany doesn't have a way to force popup 
windows into tabs (if I recall correctly, this decision was made in the 
early days because it could break proper functioning of some web
sites). 
However, you can block popups and unhide them if you encounter a
blocked 
popup that you want to see. Also, you can tell Epiphany to open pages 
that are requested by another process in a new tab, you can do this by 
going into the Preferred Applications preference window and selecting 
the corresponding radio button.

regards,

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Popups should never be forced into new tabs - new windows should be able
to.
That is, normal links and forms with target="_blank" could go to a new
tab
instead, while javascripts window.open is not modified.

Firefox has had this functionality for a very long time, and I've never
seen
it break anything. There just is no functional difference between the
two:
in both cases the new window/tab gains focus, so it's not hidden like
with
middle click. And well, it just works since it is essentially the same
thing: two tabs in one or two windows.

 -- Stoffe







Message: 1
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:23:11 -0500
From: Brendan Martens <shrift@gmail.com>
Subject: epiphany tab functionality
To: epiphany-list@gnome.org
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I understand that pop ups should not be placed in tabs, obviously. I
speak only of new windows. 

I understand that gnome shoots to be simple, and just "do what the user
wants" out of the box. But sometimes (imagine this) different users want
different things! Epiphany should allow users that want to to force new
windows into new tabs instead. I believe this has been at least an
extension available in Firefox. 

Which behavior is default, I don't care, that is perfect question for
the usability arguments, but please let those of us that want it to work
a certain way choose that!

Sorry if that is a bit of a rant... But it stems from a genuine desire
for Epiphany to be better!


For ^tabbing I guess if that is against the gnome HIG, obviously that is
how it should be. But thanks for that extension Stefan! Unfortunately it
doesn't seem to work, I have no /.gnome2/epiphany/plugins directory! I
tried creating it, and the extension did nothing? I run Dapper... Can
you point me in the right direction here?


Thank you all for reading and caring about this!


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wrote:
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:30:25 -0500
> From: Steve Bergman <sbergman@rueb.com>
> Subject: Force new windows to tabs?  "Highlight All" on search?
> To: epiphany-list@gnome.org
> Message-ID: <1159371025.3651.14.camel@localhost>
> Content-Type: text/plain
> 
> Hi Guys,
> 
> First of all, thanks for Epiphany.  I like the Gnome integration, the
> memory footprint, and the fact that it is a browser by the
> Unix/Linux/BSD community, for the Unix/Linux/BSD community, unlike
> some
> other browser makers who are becoming increasingly difficult to deal
> with.
> 
> Anyway, I'm migrating to Epiphany and there are a couple of features
> I'm
> missing.  I'm hoping that I'm just not looking in the right place.
> 
> I'd like to be able to force anything that would normally open in a
> new
> window to open in a tab in the current window.
> 
> Also, I find it quite handy to be able to have all instances of my
> search term highlighted when I do a find (ctrl-f).
> 
> Thanks for any assistance,
> Steve Bergman
> 

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Thanks.

Sounds like we are talking about he same thing.  Force target="_blank_"
links into new tabs, but leave popups alone.

IIRC, FF introduced this in 1.0.x as an about:config option.

In 1.5 they were confident enough to make it a full fledged option in
edit->preferences

I just checked, and in 2.0rc1 it is the default setting.  And the FF
devs have as much experience with tabbed browsing best practices as
anyone, I'd say.

Tabbed browsing just makes matters worse if it descends into this sort
of mess: 

"Hmmm.  I know that what I want is in a tab... somewhere.  It's one of
the tabs in one of these browser windows..."

Forcing new windows into tabs means that you can just go to your browser
window and pick the proper tab from there.  Keeps the window list clean,
and all your pages are collected into tabs all in one place.

-Steve



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Hi, I once filed this bug (more like a feature request) which would be
quite handy if implemented, IMO.

http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=330890

Basically, if I have two open tabs, one containing a web from the
"software" bookmark group and the other containing a web from the "news"
group, the gidget should change depending which of both tabs is active.

So, what do you think about it?

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Hi, I once filed this bug (more like a feature request) which would be quite handy if implemented, IMO.<BR>
<BR>
<A HREF="http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=330890">http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=330890</A><BR>
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Basically, if I have two open tabs, one containing a web from the &quot;software&quot; bookmark group and the other containing a web from the &quot;news&quot; group, the gidget should change depending which of both tabs is active.<BR>
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Hi,

I thus far have not been able to find the answer to this
question... How can I get Epiphany to use something other than
acroread (in particular, xpdf) to view PDFs?

The same question could in principle apply to other app viewers.

Note that I do not use Gnome, but regardless, Nautilus is set to use
xpdf by default (I had read somewhere that Epiphany supposedly used
the default, but I'm not sure if I'm true).

Thanks,

-- 
Michael V. De Palatis
Georgia Institute of Technology
School of Physics
837 State Street
Atlanta, GA 30332-0430

mvd 'at' gatech [dot] edu
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On Wed, 2006-09-27 at 22:55 -0400, Michael V. De Palatis wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I thus far have not been able to find the answer to this
> question... How can I get Epiphany to use something other than
> acroread (in particular, xpdf) to view PDFs?
> 

As a Gnome app, it should use the default application for that file
type.

In Gnome 2.14, I just tried it.  In Nautilus, right-clicking on a pdf
file and selecting "properties->open with", I found that xpdf is the
default for .pdf files.  Opening a pdf with epiphany opens it in xpdf.
I changed it in nautilus to use "Document Viewer" (Evince) and now
epiphany opens it in evince.

-Steve

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On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 09:03:37AM -0500, Steve Bergman wrote:
> On Wed, 2006-09-27 at 22:55 -0400, Michael V. De Palatis wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I thus far have not been able to find the answer to this
> > question... How can I get Epiphany to use something other than
> > acroread (in particular, xpdf) to view PDFs?
> > 
> 
> As a Gnome app, it should use the default application for that file
> type.
> 
> In Gnome 2.14, I just tried it.  In Nautilus, right-clicking on a pdf
> file and selecting "properties->open with", I found that xpdf is the
> default for .pdf files.  Opening a pdf with epiphany opens it in xpdf.
> I changed it in nautilus to use "Document Viewer" (Evince) and now
> epiphany opens it in evince.

Well, unfortunately that doesn't work for me. I should be forced into
using the Gnome settings daemon just so that I can get my web browser
to use the appropriate helper applications that I want.

This is really probably my biggest complaint about Epiphany -- It is
over-reliant in areas such as this on being a Gnome application, which
means that those of us who prefer not to use Gnome have a harder time
using it.

Are there any other ways to get around me having to run
gnome-settings-daemon?

-- 
Michael V. De Palatis
Georgia Institute of Technology
School of Physics
837 State Street
Atlanta, GA 30332-0430

mvd 'at' gatech [dot] edu
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On 9/28/06, Michael V. De Palatis <mvd@gatech.edu> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 09:03:37AM -0500, Steve Bergman wrote:
> > As a Gnome app, it should use the default application for that file
> > type.
> >
> > In Gnome 2.14, I just tried it.  In Nautilus, right-clicking on a pdf
> > file and selecting "properties->open with", I found that xpdf is the
> > default for .pdf files.  Opening a pdf with epiphany opens it in xpdf.
> > I changed it in nautilus to use "Document Viewer" (Evince) and now
> > epiphany opens it in evince.
>
> Well, unfortunately that doesn't work for me. I should be forced into
> using the Gnome settings daemon just so that I can get my web browser
> to use the appropriate helper applications that I want.
>
> This is really probably my biggest complaint about Epiphany -- It is
> over-reliant in areas such as this on being a Gnome application, which
> means that those of us who prefer not to use Gnome have a harder time
> using it.

There are other non-GNOME browsers.  From the project page:

"Epiphany is the web browser for the GNOME desktop. .... Epiphany ties
together many GNOME components in order to let you focus on the Web
content, instead of the browser application. As part of the GNOME
project....

...fits in perfectly with GNOME...."

I'm fairly sure they're targeting the GNOME desktop, and are thusly
making it easiest for its users.  I, for one, appreciate the
simplicity over using Firefox with its rather complicated
implementation of filetypes and actions.
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On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 12:37:07PM -0400, Andrew Conkling wrote:
> On 9/28/06, Michael V. De Palatis <mvd@gatech.edu> wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 09:03:37AM -0500, Steve Bergman wrote:
> > > As a Gnome app, it should use the default application for that file
> > > type.
> > >
> > > In Gnome 2.14, I just tried it.  In Nautilus, right-clicking on a pdf
> > > file and selecting "properties->open with", I found that xpdf is the
> > > default for .pdf files.  Opening a pdf with epiphany opens it in xpdf.
> > > I changed it in nautilus to use "Document Viewer" (Evince) and now
> > > epiphany opens it in evince.
> >
> > Well, unfortunately that doesn't work for me. I should be forced into
> > using the Gnome settings daemon just so that I can get my web browser
> > to use the appropriate helper applications that I want.
> >
> > This is really probably my biggest complaint about Epiphany -- It is
> > over-reliant in areas such as this on being a Gnome application, which
> > means that those of us who prefer not to use Gnome have a harder time
> > using it.
> 
> There are other non-GNOME browsers.  From the project page:
> <snip>
> 
> I'm fairly sure they're targeting the GNOME desktop, and are thusly
> making it easiest for its users.  I, for one, appreciate the
> simplicity over using Firefox with its rather complicated
> implementation of filetypes and actions.

Certainly. But I like Epiphany over Firefox for a number of reasons
(see, e.g., the recent issues between Debian and the Mozilla
Foundation; also, e.g., the lighter interface). I just wish there was
a way to use the browser *without* having to use Gnome in order to get
it to work properly. This is really the only area in which I'm having
a problem thus far.

Also, I said earlier that I don't want to have to run
gnome-settings-daemon. I'm not sure if this would solve the problem or
not, actually, but it's just a guess. To reiterate, I do have nautilus
configured to use xpdf, despite not using nautilus, and Epiphany still
tries to use acroread (this is another point which I didn't
mention... it doesn't actually *succeed* in starting acroread... I
have to manually kill the processes or else the browser just freezes).

-- 
Michael V. De Palatis
Georgia Institute of Technology
School of Physics
837 State Street
Atlanta, GA 30332-0430

mvd 'at' gatech [dot] edu
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On 9/27/06, David Prieto <frandavid100@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Hi, I once filed this bug (more like a feature request) which would be
> quite handy if implemented, IMO.
Hi \o

>
>  http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=330890
>
>  Basically, if I have two open tabs, one containing a web from the
> "software" bookmark group and the other containing a web from the "news"
> group, the gidget should change depending which of both tabs is active.
>
>  So, what do you think about it?
Makes sense, I actually used to think that it worked like that :/.


o/

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Well in the worse scenario you can always create an alias for xpdf or
acroread pointing to your preferred reader or in the _really_ worse
scenario you can make /usr/bin/whatever a symlink to your preferred
reader bin.

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This might be a silly mail but anyway I thought someone could find the
time to do it:

Gnome-women list has a nice personalized html for the suscription page
of mailman:
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-women-list

Maybe the epiphany one could have at least the Ephy icon or some links
to the wiki/website.


It's just niceness for a little traffic list but anyway it's worth
doing while on vacations (if someone is on vacations).


See ya \o/

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Hi all,

Dnia 20-09-2006, śro o godzinie 11:59 +1000, Nigel Tao napisał(a):

> Look for things starting with browser.fixup, for example, set
> browser.fixup.alternate.enabled to false.
> 
It doesn't work for me: the only effect is that "www." and ".com" are no
longer appended to the address making it even worse. 

Some more general comments:

Is there a solution? What is the reason to change address bar behavior
comparing to 2.14?

I can see the following problems (I feel it must have been discussed,
but I can't find it in the list archive):

1. Users outside the USA might expect autocomplete to append their
domain (like .pl or .de) and not .com: I have tried several popular
Polish addresses (big portals, online bookstores, online banks) and NONE
was correctly resolved using .com. You might say that it's their fault:
should have bought .com too... And register trademarks worldwide... 

2. Some might (well, I'm only speculating here) expect the most
popular/obvious site to be contacted (just go to gnome.com). This
problem is probably most evident with a clean install: no bookmarks, no
history, no hints when you type in an address.  

3. When I put a space between words I get an error (that an url is not
valid). 

If searching the internet from address bar is not a desirable default (I
can understand that), appending .com neither is, especially when you
don't visit .com sites that often. 

I still think that advantages of epiphany outweigh this problem, I can
change my habits again (changed from firefox only recently), but .com is
just wrong idea in my opinion.

Best,
Rafał Próchniak


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Hi all,

My apologies. I thought I searched Gnome Bugzilla for this issue, until
I found #350053. So it seems this is not Epiphany's fault, which makes
my rant obviously pointless...

Once again, thank you for Epiphany and keep up the good work!

Cheers,
Rafał

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Hello!

 I would like to write a epiphany extension in python which manages the
cookies, in a lot more fine grained mode than the currently available. For
example to allow every PHPSESSION session cookies, but to reject every
__utma cookies, and so on. Unfortunately i can't figure out how to access
"ephy-cookie-manager" from python. The second thing with I probably will
have some problems is that from the documentation (
http://www.gnome.org/projects/epiphany/documentation/reference/epiphany-ephy-cookie-manager.html)
it seems to me, that currently it is not possible to add some callback
function which gets called every time when a new cookie is offered by a
webserver. Am I right? Is there any easy solution for me?

Thanks in advance
BR
 Zsombor

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<br>Hello!<br><br>&nbsp;I would like to write a epiphany extension in python which manages the cookies, in a lot more fine grained mode than the currently available. For example to allow every PHPSESSION session cookies, but to reject every __utma cookies, and so on. Unfortunately i can't figure out how to access &quot;ephy-cookie-manager&quot; from python. The second thing with I probably will have some problems is that from the documentation (
<a href="http://www.gnome.org/projects/epiphany/documentation/reference/epiphany-ephy-cookie-manager.html">http://www.gnome.org/projects/epiphany/documentation/reference/epiphany-ephy-cookie-manager.html</a>) it seems to me, that currently it is not possible to add some callback function which gets called every time when a new cookie is offered by a webserver. Am I right? Is there any easy solution for me? 
<br><br>Thanks in advance<br>BR<br>&nbsp;Zsombor<br>

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On Tue, 2006-05-09 at 12:03 +0200, Zsombor wrote:
>=20
> Hello!
>=20
>  I would like to write a epiphany extension in python which manages
> the cookies, in a lot more fine grained mode than the currently
> available. For example to allow every PHPSESSION session cookies, but
> to reject every __utma cookies, and so on. Unfortunately i can't
> figure out how to access "ephy-cookie-manager" from python. The second
> thing with I probably will have some problems is that from the
> documentation
> ( http://www.gnome.org/projects/epiphany/documentation/reference/epiphany=
-ephy-cookie-manager.html) it seems to me, that currently it is not possibl=
e to add some callback function which gets called every time when a new coo=
kie is offered by a webserver. Am I right? Is there any easy solution for m=
e?=20

For the moment, you'll have to write it in C. When PyXPCOM is supported,
this will be possible. (There may be a way to hack Epiphany proper to
allow such a callback; but I don't think it exists now, and using
PyXPCOM would certainly be the better approach.)

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On 9/5/06, Adam Hooper <adamh@densi.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2006-05-09 at 12:03 +0200, Zsombor wrote:
> >
> > Hello!
> >
> >  I would like to write a epiphany extension in python which manages
> > the cookies, in a lot more fine grained mode than the currently
> > available. For example to allow every PHPSESSION session cookies, but
> > to reject every __utma cookies, and so on. Unfortunately i can't
> > figure out how to access "ephy-cookie-manager" from python. The second
> > thing with I probably will have some problems is that from the
> > documentation
> > (
> http://www.gnome.org/projects/epiphany/documentation/reference/epiphany-ephy-cookie-manager.html)
> it seems to me, that currently it is not possible to add some callback
> function which gets called every time when a new cookie is offered by a
> webserver. Am I right? Is there any easy solution for me?
>
> For the moment, you'll have to write it in C. When PyXPCOM is supported,
> this will be possible. (There may be a way to hack Epiphany proper to
> allow such a callback; but I don't think it exists now, and using
> PyXPCOM would certainly be the better approach.)
>
> --
> Adam Hooper
> adamh@densi.com



Thanks, that's what I afraid of. From googling around I saw some emails from
1-2 years ago, when it is discussed, and some build instructions (
http://live.gnome.org/Epiphany/EphyPython/PyXPCOM), and I'm wondering why
there is no further development occured since ? Is there any blocking issue
which prevents to include the python binding? Is it not stable enough?
Because without this, the plugin development is very restricted to small UI
related functionalities. Because very limited number of programmers really
enjoys working in C in such a complicated environment, when a small, badly
behaving plugin can segfault the whole browser.

BR,
 Zsombor Gegesy

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<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 9/5/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Adam Hooper</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:adamh@densi.com">adamh@densi.com</a>&gt; wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
On Tue, 2006-05-09 at 12:03 +0200, Zsombor wrote:<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Hello!<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;I would like to write a epiphany extension in python which manages<br>&gt; the cookies, in a lot more fine grained mode than the currently
<br>&gt; available. For example to allow every PHPSESSION session cookies, but<br>&gt; to reject every __utma cookies, and so on. Unfortunately i can't<br>&gt; figure out how to access &quot;ephy-cookie-manager&quot; from python. The second
<br>&gt; thing with I probably will have some problems is that from the<br>&gt; documentation<br>&gt; ( <a href="http://www.gnome.org/projects/epiphany/documentation/reference/epiphany-ephy-cookie-manager.html">http://www.gnome.org/projects/epiphany/documentation/reference/epiphany-ephy-cookie-manager.html
</a>) it seems to me, that currently it is not possible to add some callback function which gets called every time when a new cookie is offered by a webserver. Am I right? Is there any easy solution for me?<br><br>For the moment, you'll have to write it in C. When PyXPCOM is supported,
<br>this will be possible. (There may be a way to hack Epiphany proper to<br>allow such a callback; but I don't think it exists now, and using<br>PyXPCOM would certainly be the better approach.)<br><br>--<br>Adam Hooper<br>
<a href="mailto:adamh@densi.com">adamh@densi.com</a></blockquote><div><br><br>Thanks, that's what I afraid of. From googling around I saw some emails from 1-2 years ago, when it is discussed, and some build instructions (
<a href="http://live.gnome.org/Epiphany/EphyPython/PyXPCOM">http://live.gnome.org/Epiphany/EphyPython/PyXPCOM</a>), and I'm wondering why there is no further development occured since ? Is there any blocking issue which prevents to include the python binding? Is it not stable enough? Because without this, the plugin development is very restricted to small UI related functionalities. Because very limited number of programmers really enjoys working in C in such a complicated environment, when a small, badly behaving plugin can segfault the whole browser.
<br><br>BR,<br>&nbsp;Zsombor Gegesy<br>&nbsp;</div><br></div><br>

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On Wed, 2006-06-09 at 11:22 +0200, Zsombor wrote:
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> Thanks, that's what I afraid of. From googling around I saw some
> emails from 1-2 years ago, when it is discussed, and some build
> instructions ( http://live.gnome.org/Epiphany/EphyPython/PyXPCOM), and
> I'm wondering why there is no further development occured since ? Is
> there any blocking issue which prevents to include the python binding?
> Is it not stable enough?

Those build instructions will get PyXPCOM into Mozilla, not Epiphany.
(i.e., you can access PyXPCOM from Python within Epiphany, but it's hard
to get a hold of a MozillaEmbed, and so you can't manipulate the page
you're viewing or add signals to the embed.)

About a year ago I wrote a patch that integrates PyXPCOM into Epiphany.
Then the real world prevented me from continuing to work on it. I'm sure
it's the same story with other developers: a simple lack of time.

All that's really needed:
- Distributions have to provide PyXPCOM. This is a simple matter of
time, but we could probably speed it up if we compiled it standalone (if
such a thing is possible) and/or bugged the proper people downstream.
- A patch to Epiphany which gives access to MozillaEmbeds from
EphyEmbeds (I believe MozillaEmbed is the only class extensions will
need to access which isn't a singleton). This I've already done, though
my patch has since bitrotted and it wasn't the most beautiful thing in
the first place. Still, it's a day's work at most.

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How can I get epiphany store the state (e.g. tabs opened with the
corresponding pages loaded) between one session and another one?

I've noticed that when epiphany crashes (e.g. when the session manager
crashes) epiphany asks whether to restore the previous state, so it should be
possible to perform this in "normal" restarts too.

A pointer to the appropriate documentation is sufficient (I couldn't
find nothing).

Thanks in advance
--
Stefano

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On 9/7/06, Stefano Sabatini <stefano.sabatini-lala@poste.it> wrote:
> How can I get epiphany store the state (e.g. tabs opened with the
> corresponding pages loaded) between one session and another one?

There's a current extension for this:
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=316245

> I've noticed that when epiphany crashes (e.g. when the session manager
> crashes) epiphany asks whether to restore the previous state, so it should be
> possible to perform this in "normal" restarts too.

I agree; I think an extension is not the way to do this, since
obviously the code to do it is already working.  I've gotten no
response about that on the bug though.... :(

Cheers,
Andrew

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Hello Stefano,

Op donderdag 07-09-2006 om 17:23 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Stefano
Sabatini:
> How can I get epiphany store the state (e.g. tabs opened with the
> corresponding pages loaded) between one session and another one?

You can tell GNOME to save its session between logging out and in in the
GNOME preferences. Epiphany's session will be saved and restored as
well. The conceptual model behind Epiphany only knows open or closed
pages, there is no special provision for when the executable is started
or stopped.

However, there are more people who desire a "session saver" just for
Epiphany. There's an enhancement request for epiphany-extensions about
that here:

http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=316245

Thanks for using Epiphany!

regards,

-- 
Reinout van Schouwen



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I'm noticing that the gnome-webcore CVS branch is unmaintained 22 months
now.  Also Epiphany seems to be based on GECKO, the Firefox/Mozilla
back-end renderer.

I guess the simplest question is probably the best:  Why not
Epiphany/Webcore and Epiphany/GECKO?  Not a fork, but a back-end plug
architecture (Read: buzz buzz buzz) that allows users to switch their
rendering engine either during run (redraw the page on the new engine)
or with a restart.

I see a number of advantages to being able to hot or cold switch
engines:

 - Right now, Wordpress and CMS Made Simple's AJAX is perfectly capable
   of making Firefox and Epiphany 1) Lag for 10 seconds at a time;
   and/or 2) spontaneously crash (enough to trigger the crash
   detector).  This is a bug in Gecko; Epiphany does the same thing, so
   will Mozilla and anything else using the GRE.  Obvious work-around:
   Pick another engine.

 - There would be more freedom for Gnome developers to improve the
   Webcore/KHTML rendering engine.  Memory usage for example is
   atrocious in Firefox, hundreds of megabytes after several hours of
   browsing with one or two tabs open.  Epiphany somehow manages to use
   20 megabytes MORE memory than Firefox, probably because Firefox is
   XUL and Epiphany just sticks GRE inside a GTK+ window (I think).

 - Gecko will not entertain GTK+ buttons; KHTML entertains Qt widgets,
   Webcore could be made to entertain GTK+ widgets.

--=20
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I recall there is a version (probably 2.14.x) of epiphany that, when I
click on "Open link in new tab", it creates a tab near the current tab
instead of the end of the tab list.
I can't do that now with 2.16.0. Is there any trick to make that happen again?
Thanks
-- 
Duy

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On 9/9/06, Javier Donaire <jdonaire@gmail.com> wrote:
> You must load the "Tab Groups" extension from the official extensions package.
Ahh. Thanks. I didn't remember I had loaded that plugin :)

> Opening tabs at the end, is the most annoying thing I experiment when
> I have to use Firefox. I think this should be the default behavior,
> and be deactivated with an extension :-)
Yes. Perhaps we should ship some default plugins with epiphany and
open epiphany-extensions' door for others, wilder extensions.
-- 
Duy

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On Fri, 2006-08-09 at 17:36 -0400, John Moser wrote:

> I guess the simplest question is probably the best:  Why not
> Epiphany/Webcore and Epiphany/GECKO?  Not a fork, but a back-end plug
> architecture (Read: buzz buzz buzz) that allows users to switch their
> rendering engine either during run (redraw the page on the new engine)
> or with a restart.

The simplest answer is also best: because it's a lot of work.

Ages ago a proof-of-concept was written. As far as I know, GTK/Webcore
already exists for Nokia's internet tablet, and it's open-source. Some
Epiphany developers tried to adapt it into Epiphany (which already has
an architecture allowing plugging in separate backends) and it worked.
Between that and a finished product is some hard work to shake out the
bugs and some years of debugging to make it reliable.

So, technically, there's no reason not to do it. Realistically, it's a
matter of putting in a lot of effort.

Adam

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y wrote:

> Yes. Perhaps we should ship some default plugins with epiphany and
> open epiphany-extensions' door for others, wilder extensions.

Right now epiphany-extensions consists of high-quality, very commonly
demanded extensions. I'm of the opinion it should stay that way (so that
people who install epiphany and epiphany-extensions get some guarantee
of not crashing). I think wilder extensions should be distributed by
third parties (and not the Epiphany team).

Ideally there would be a website showing off all the wilder extensions.
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On Fri, 2006-09-08 at 23:48 -0400, Adam Hooper wrote:
> On Fri, 2006-08-09 at 17:36 -0400, John Moser wrote:
>=20
> > I guess the simplest question is probably the best:  Why not
> > Epiphany/Webcore and Epiphany/GECKO?  Not a fork, but a back-end plug
> > architecture (Read: buzz buzz buzz) that allows users to switch their
> > rendering engine either during run (redraw the page on the new engine)
> > or with a restart.
>=20
> The simplest answer is also best: because it's a lot of work.
>=20

So simply, we're talking a bad cost-benefit ratio.  Obviously if there
was a benefit seen by developers, or a high enough end user demand, it'd
be done by now.

> Ages ago a proof-of-concept was written. As far as I know, GTK/Webcore
> already exists for Nokia's internet tablet, and it's open-source. Some
> Epiphany developers tried to adapt it into Epiphany (which already has
> an architecture allowing plugging in separate backends) and it worked.
> Between that and a finished product is some hard work to shake out the
> bugs and some years of debugging to make it reliable.
>=20
> So, technically, there's no reason not to do it. Realistically, it's a
> matter of putting in a lot of effort.

Technically there's almost no reason to do it as well, am I correct?
(besides, of course, the convenient smoke-and-mirrors ideas of "some
users prefer X to Y" and "sometimes X has bugs not in Y and vice versa")

>=20
> Adam
--=20
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Op vrijdag 08-09-2006 om 23:51 uur [tijdzone -0400], schreef Adam
Hooper:

> Ideally there would be a website showing off all the wilder extensions.
> But nobody's written one, so there isn't :).

Well, there's this page:

http://mike.depalatis.net/epiphany/extensions.html

But it's more of a listing than a "show off" site. :-)

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On Sat, 2006-09-09 at 00:36 -0400, John Moser wrote:
> On Fri, 2006-09-08 at 23:48 -0400, Adam Hooper wrote:

> > So, technically, there's no reason not to do it. Realistically, it's a
> > matter of putting in a lot of effort.
>=20
> Technically there's almost no reason to do it as well, am I correct?
> (besides, of course, the convenient smoke-and-mirrors ideas of "some
> users prefer X to Y" and "sometimes X has bugs not in Y and vice versa")

Well, there's certainly reason to do it -- otherwise, you wouldn't have
written to the list in the first place :). A small part of the reason is
purely political -- "look, Mozilla, we don't need you, we *choose* you,
so don't give us reason to switch". With the existing proof-of-concept,
this is already available to us. The rest is technical: smaller memory
footprint, potentially faster page loads, works better for a few web
pages, etc.

But webcore has a large set of bugs. Having used Gecko for ages,
Epiphany developers are aware of most of the icky Mozilla bugs, but the
webcore ones would be brand new. That leads to:

- a huge amount of effort to work around some annoyances (witness just
how much work went into Epiphany's "focus location bar on new tab"
behaviour)
- a huge amount of effort to fix webcore where it doesn't play nice with
Epiphany
- after all that, double the current effort just to maintain Epiphany

So, the cost is high. We're not quite sure just how much benefit there
is. Who knows -- there's a chance that the benefit outweighs the cost
(at least to certain people). And the beauty of open-source is that
anybody who's willing can go ahead and do it, and then we'll really
know.

But nobody wants to :).

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On Sat, 2006-09-09 at 09:15 -0400, Adam Hooper wrote:
> On Sat, 2006-09-09 at 00:36 -0400, John Moser wrote:
> > On Fri, 2006-09-08 at 23:48 -0400, Adam Hooper wrote:
>=20
> > > So, technically, there's no reason not to do it. Realistically, it's =
a
> > > matter of putting in a lot of effort.
> >=20
> > Technically there's almost no reason to do it as well, am I correct?
> > (besides, of course, the convenient smoke-and-mirrors ideas of "some
> > users prefer X to Y" and "sometimes X has bugs not in Y and vice versa"=
)
>=20
> Well, there's certainly reason to do it -- otherwise, you wouldn't have
> written to the list in the first place :). A small part of the reason is
> purely political -- "look, Mozilla, we don't need you, we *choose* you,
> so don't give us reason to switch". With the existing proof-of-concept,

I move that Mozilla is not Microsoft and so does not care, they'll just
push Firefox anyway.  As long as IE dies they're happy.

> this is already available to us. The rest is technical: smaller memory
> footprint, potentially faster page loads, works better for a few web
> pages, etc.
>=20

Are you saying it DOES have a smaller footprint, or that it possibly
does?

> But webcore has a large set of bugs. Having used Gecko for ages,
> Epiphany developers are aware of most of the icky Mozilla bugs, but the
> webcore ones would be brand new. That leads to:
>=20

Webcore has been unmaintained for 22 months according to CVS.

> - a huge amount of effort to work around some annoyances (witness just
> how much work went into Epiphany's "focus location bar on new tab"
> behaviour)
> - a huge amount of effort to fix webcore where it doesn't play nice with
> Epiphany
> - after all that, double the current effort just to maintain Epiphany
>=20

Possibly, could Webcore be taught to behave in a minimalist manner (i.e.
put the JavaScript engine into another module, separate out whatever
else is possible) so that it could be loaded in various configurations,
including:

 - A complete Web rendering engine
 - A minimalized, low footprint rendering engine

This could possibly share the 'double' effort by paving the way for
GtkHtml 4.0, if you could get the memory footprint low enough.  I'm not
sure what GtkHtml is based on right now but it's only used for minimal
things, no JavaScript, etc; and this means I'm not sure if you could get
something like Webcore matching its low low memory footprint in a
minimal configuration.

Anyway, my point is Webcore could possibly be useful in places other
than simply as an Epiphany back-end.  Evolution could use it for HTML
desktop for example.  OK so I have no good examples ;)

Another consideration, if the back-end plug architecture is good enough,
the 'old' Webcore/Mozilla modules should work with 'new' Epiphany after
upgrades, like XMMS plug-ins work with XMMS after upgrade.

> So, the cost is high. We're not quite sure just how much benefit there
> is. Who knows -- there's a chance that the benefit outweighs the cost
> (at least to certain people). And the beauty of open-source is that
> anybody who's willing can go ahead and do it, and then we'll really
> know.
>=20
> But nobody wants to :).

Because the cost is too high, and the benefit is not visible :)

Anyway, thanks.  At this point I know that this is a cost-benefit issue
and not a political issue (you wouldn't believe how vehemently some
projects fight for the status quo).
>=20
--=20
John Moser <john.r.moser@gmail.com>

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Hi;

I like to keep Epiphany's bookmark minimized as an icon on my Gnome
panel Windows Switcher.  I launch favourite URL sites from there.

Is there a way to log out with the Bookmark icon on the panel and then
re-login so that the Bookmark is returned to the panel without opening
Epiphany in the foreground first?


-- 
Regards Bill


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Hi,

Le lundi 11 septembre 2006 =C3=A0 05:31 -0500, Diego Escalante a =C3=A9crit=
 :
> - Flameable: Stuff that might need to be discussed or stuff that needs
> a dictatorial yes or no.
> - Obsoleted by nud: Bugs related to download manager. This bugs will
> be obsoleted in 2.18 if matusalehm is integrated in this development
> cycle, if there's no matusalehm for 2.18 some of this bugs have
> patches (well only #337936 if I'm not wrong) or might be easily
> killeable.
I've tagged a few others as "mathusalem" in the status whiteboard so we
can find and mass-close once that's done, so we should do that with
these bugs too.

I've changed *some* of the bugs in bgo already, only commenting about
some of the bugs not touched yet:

> =3DFlameable:
Yes, some of these are flammable... I'd just let them alone :)

> Bug 323810 =E2=80=93 No obvious way to switch off image loading
Valid, IMHO.
> Bug 339211 =E2=80=93 Stored passwords easily discoverable
Should dup this to the 'use gnome-keyring' bug.

> Bug 317248 =E2=80=93 make a distinction between bookmarks and history ent=
ries
> in the dropdown URL menu (location bar)
> Bug 328499 =E2=80=93 Font preferences improvements
> Bug 325624 =E2=80=93 Disable Print / Send to menu items for blank page
> Bug 351571 =E2=80=93 Location entry should allow undo and redo operations
All valid.

> Bug 351730 =E2=80=93 Keep findbar open when opening links in new tabs
Not sure.

> Bug 354058 =E2=80=93 use file watches on more than just the .html
Nice idea but probably unimplementable?

> Bug 307969 =E2=80=93 Open in new tab by default in the bookmark window
WONTFIX, IMHO.

> Bug 321226 =E2=80=93 Bookmark editor doesn't remember how I left it
Undecided.

> Bug 333937 =E2=80=93 [bme] File menu should have another name
What does the HIG say here?

> =3DEasy:
> Bug 347750 =E2=80=93 middle click on "home" button doesn't create a new t=
ab
Yes, easy.

> Bug 336739 =E2=80=93 Right click on textarea should provide "Select all"
Semi-easy (might need some gecko interaction).

> Bug 350106 =E2=80=93 Method to query Epiphany for its version
Easy.

> Bug 351100 =E2=80=93 add keyboard shortcut to delete bookmark/topics
Easy.

> Bug 351470 =E2=80=93 Merge bookmark topics
Maybe easy... harves will know :)

We can tag those with the 'gnome-love' kw.

>=20
> =3DWeird:
> Bug 343238 =E2=80=93 Download icon's tooltip in notification area moves a=
round
Unreproducible for me...

> Bug 171135 =E2=80=93 check ContentHandler::Show
> Bug 159912 =E2=80=93 back/forward/up drop-down arrows have no accessible =
name
Valid.


Thanks for the list!

Regards,
	Christian


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Hello everyone.
I started working on getting full rss (and atom) support into epiphany.
And here is the first result that I can show to the public without
wearing a brown paper bag. ;)

Just extract it to the extensions directory and add "rss-reader" to the
main makefile. I have only tested it with 2.14 yet, but it should work
with cvs as well.

There's not much ui now (and there won't be much more when it's
finished). At the moment it just adds a "news" item to the "go" menu.
When clicked, the extension will download the feed files and show them
in the active tab. The feeds are hard-coded, because i'd like some
opinions on the general approach first.

As this is a very early version, it has some more or less annoying
issues. Just try to ignore them for now.

Comments are very welcome.

Regards,
Martin Schoen

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I'm forwarding an email from the debian-user list since I've noticed the
same behaviour before but never bothered to take it up on this list.
What is happening? What is ephy "doing wrong"?

Is it fixed in 2.16?

/M

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Mark Grieveson wrote:
> Hello.  On some pages, quotation marks and apostrophes are not rendered 
> with Epiphany browser on my computer.  Most frequently this occurs on
> large sites which use a content management system of some sort.  For
> example, the Toronto Star's site, at www.thestar.com.  The cover-page is
> fine, but links to the various stories are not properly displayed by
> Epiphany.  I use Epiphany version 2.14.2.1, on Etch.
> 
> Is there a way to correct this?  A package I could install, or
> something?  Note, these pages display fine on Firefox, but I prefer
> Epiphany.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 

Now that you point it out I see the problem too when using Epiphany
2.14.3 (Sid). There are some "UTF" like codes which are displayed. The
codes change to "normal" characters when the Text Encoding is changed to
"Western (Windows-1252)" from the one detected by default - Western
(ISO-8859-1).

Firefox shows normal text for the ISO-8859-1 encoding (the default
content-type for the HTML page - see source). But if you change the
encoding UTF-8 or ISO-8859-15 in Firefox, you will notice the same weird
behaviour for some of the punctuation marks. It seems that Epiphany is
using the same character encoding for ISO-8859-1 as ISO-8859-15.


Does Epiphany being based on Gecko have anything to do with character
encoding being used/displayed? I'm no expert on this, but thought that
this should be pointed out as Epiphany in Etch is not the only version
showing the odd behaviour.

/kS


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P=C3=A5 Thu, Sep 14, 2006 at 07:55:08AM +0100, Magnus Therning skrev:
> Mark Grieveson wrote:
> > Hello.  On some pages, quotation marks and apostrophes are not rendered=
=20
> > with Epiphany browser on my computer.  Most frequently this occurs on
> > large sites which use a content management system of some sort.  For
> > example, the Toronto Star's site, at www.thestar.com.  The cover-page is
> > fine, but links to the various stories are not properly displayed by
> > Epiphany.  I use Epiphany version 2.14.2.1, on Etch.
> >=20
> > Is there a way to correct this?  A package I could install, or
> > something?  Note, these pages display fine on Firefox, but I prefer
> > Epiphany.
>=20
> Now that you point it out I see the problem too when using Epiphany
> 2.14.3 (Sid). There are some "UTF" like codes which are displayed. The
> codes change to "normal" characters when the Text Encoding is changed to
> "Western (Windows-1252)" from the one detected by default - Western
> (ISO-8859-1).

I guess the characters are U+0091 (PRIVATE USE 1) and U+0092 (PRIVATE USE
2), which are used in the cp-12523 (windows) character set to encode curly
opening and closing quote characters. These characters are not compatible
with iso8859-1 (nor UTF-8).

The correct fix would be to convince the document authors to use either
entities (&lsquo; and &rsquo;) or the correct quote characters (refer to the
unicode charts for the exact character; I'm too lazy to check this right
now).

Since that is not going to work perhaps a simple 'replace U+0091 and U+0092
with real quote characters' fix could be implemented in Gecko or Epiphany.

  mvrgr, Wouter

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On Thu, Sep 14, 2006 at 09:55:51 +0200, Wouter Bolsterlee wrote:
>P=E5 Thu, Sep 14, 2006 at 07:55:08AM +0100, Magnus Therning skrev:

Shouldn't it be "..., skrev Magnus Therning:"? :-)

>> Mark Grieveson wrote:
>> > Hello.  On some pages, quotation marks and apostrophes are not rendere=
d=20
>> > with Epiphany browser on my computer.  Most frequently this occurs on
>> > large sites which use a content management system of some sort.  For
>> > example, the Toronto Star's site, at www.thestar.com.  The cover-page =
is
>> > fine, but links to the various stories are not properly displayed by
>> > Epiphany.  I use Epiphany version 2.14.2.1, on Etch.
>> >=20
>> > Is there a way to correct this?  A package I could install, or
>> > something?  Note, these pages display fine on Firefox, but I prefer
>> > Epiphany.
>>=20
>> Now that you point it out I see the problem too when using Epiphany
>> 2.14.3 (Sid). There are some "UTF" like codes which are displayed. The
>> codes change to "normal" characters when the Text Encoding is changed to
>> "Western (Windows-1252)" from the one detected by default - Western
>> (ISO-8859-1).
>
>I guess the characters are U+0091 (PRIVATE USE 1) and U+0092 (PRIVATE
>USE 2), which are used in the cp-12523 (windows) character set to
>encode curly opening and closing quote characters. These characters are
>not compatible with iso8859-1 (nor UTF-8).

Yes, I see 0092 and also 0093 and 0094.

>The correct fix would be to convince the document authors to use either
>entities (&lsquo; and &rsquo;) or the correct quote characters (refer
>to the unicode charts for the exact character; I'm too lazy to check
>this right now).

Changing the content-type to charset=3Dwindows-1252 also seems to do it.
Interestingly Firefox doens't have a problem with this.  I suspect it's
treating iso-8859-1 as windows1252, since either of those encodings
display it properly. However, changing to iso8859-15 results in
diamond-shaped characters.  Kind of funny.

/M

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Hi everyone,

I'm using the Linky extension in Firefox
( http://gemal.dk/mozilla/linky.html ), and after a quick search, I
found that there wasn't any such extension for Epiphany. That's very
useful for web-based photos albums, so I was thinking about writing my
own extension.

I looked at the sample python extensions in epiphany-extensions CVS, and
I  had a look at epiphany reference documentation, but I couldn't find
any way to "parse" the links in the page and build another tab with all
images loaded in it.

Are epiphany-extensions able to do such things in Python ? Is there any
existing project and / or documentation about such an extension ? Where
could I find a bit of code I could take inspiration from ?

Thanks.

Yachar


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On Sun, 2006-17-09 at 02:41 +0200, yachar wrote:

> I looked at the sample python extensions in epiphany-extensions CVS, and
> I  had a look at epiphany reference documentation, but I couldn't find
> any way to "parse" the links in the page and build another tab with all
> images loaded in it.
>=20
> Are epiphany-extensions able to do such things in Python ? Is there any
> existing project and / or documentation about such an extension ? Where
> could I find a bit of code I could take inspiration from ?

At the moment, this isn't supported. PyXPCOM will let us play with this
sort of things, but we don't have the hooks written yet (and PyXPCOM
isn't part of any distributions yet). This is simply a matter of no
developers taking on the job: we *all* would *love* to integrate with
PyXPCOM. (If anybody listening is interested in doing this, I can
provide a preliminary patch which worked a year ago, and a code review
suggesting improvements. The biggest part of the job wouldn't be the
patch, though. It would be evangelism: getting distributions to ship
PyXPCOM. Or technical: find a way to make PyXPCOM "optional", and find
an easy way to distribute it.)

Without PyXPCOM, you *could* implement a workaround. See error-viewer or
view-source for code (in C) which downloads the current page's source
code. You could do the same thing in Python, and parse the page with a
Python HTML parser. This is undesirable (Mozilla has a better HTML
parser), but it's the best you can do without delving into PyXPCOM.

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Adam Hooper wrote:
> On Sun, 2006-17-09 at 02:41 +0200, yachar wrote:

> At the moment, this isn't supported. PyXPCOM will let us play with this
> sort of things, but we don't have the hooks written yet (and PyXPCOM
> isn't part of any distributions yet).

Actually I saw a python-xpcom package in edgy ;-)

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Yes, there is a python-xpcom package in edgy. It's installable and a
priori usable.

And as the maintainer is Mike Hommey (glandium-at-debian-dot-org), the
package may be available in Debian Sid too ! Below are the package
specifications. If the hardest work was evangelism, then it seems done
(at least for some of the major distributions, but the other would
follow if epiphany ships python-xpcom based extensions).

Is the patch for epiphany integration available somewhere ? I could take
a look, but don't hope too much, I've not coded in C for 8 years now...
since the computer science courses are over... ;-)

yachar@pc:~$ sudo apt-cache show python-xpcom 

Maintainer: Mike Hommey <glandium@debian.org>
Version: 1.8.0.4-2

Description: XPCOM bindings for Python
 PyXPCOM allows for communication between Python and XPCOM, such that a
 Python application can access XPCOM objects, and XPCOM can access any
 Python class that implements an XPCOM interface.
 With PyXPCOM, a developer can talk to XPCOM or embed Gecko from a
 Python application. PyXPCOM is similar to JavaXPCOM (Java-XPCOM bridge)
 or XPConnect (JavaScript-XPCOM bridge).
 
 Install this package if you wish to access XPCOM objects from Python,
or
 want to use Python components from XPCOM.
 
 Homepage: http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/pyxpcom

Le dimanche 17 septembre 2006 à 09:39 +0200, Steve Frécinaux a écrit :
> Adam Hooper wrote:
> > On Sun, 2006-17-09 at 02:41 +0200, yachar wrote:
> 
> > At the moment, this isn't supported. PyXPCOM will let us play with this
> > sort of things, but we don't have the hooks written yet (and PyXPCOM
> > isn't part of any distributions yet).
> 
> Actually I saw a python-xpcom package in edgy ;-)


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On Sun, 2006-17-09 at 09:39 +0200, Steve Fr=C3=A9cinaux wrote:
> Adam Hooper wrote:
> > On Sun, 2006-17-09 at 02:41 +0200, yachar wrote:
>=20
> > At the moment, this isn't supported. PyXPCOM will let us play with this
> > sort of things, but we don't have the hooks written yet (and PyXPCOM
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>=20
> Actually I saw a python-xpcom package in edgy ;-)

Wow! Thanks for letting me know. I'll try to get support into Epiphany
within the week :).

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Hello William,

Op maandag 11-09-2006 om 12:04 uur [tijdzone -0400], schreef William
Case:

> I like to keep Epiphany's bookmark minimized as an icon on my Gnome
> panel Windows Switcher.  I launch favourite URL sites from there.

I'm not quite sure what you mean, are you talking about the bookmark
editor that you keep minimized in your window list?

> Is there a way to log out with the Bookmark icon on the panel and then
> re-login so that the Bookmark is returned to the panel without opening
> Epiphany in the foreground first?

Maybe you could try the following: 
Go to your System > Preferences menu, somewhere below you should find a
"Sessions" item. Activate it and check the box for "Save changes to
session automatically". Now, all programs that you had open when you
logged out, will be opened again when you log in again.

Alternatively, you may try putting 'epiphany -b' in the list of programs
to start, in the rightmost tab of the same Sessions window.

Does this help?

regards,

-- 
Reinout van Schouwen 


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On 9/11/06, William Case <billlinux@rogers.com> wrote:
> Hi;
>
> I like to keep Epiphany's bookmark minimized as an icon on my Gnome
> panel Windows Switcher.  I launch favourite URL sites from there.
>
> Is there a way to log out with the Bookmark icon on the panel and then
> re-login so that the Bookmark is returned to the panel without opening
> Epiphany in the foreground first?

There is a .desktop file created for it, IIRC.  Also, you may like the
deskbar-applet; I get a LOT of mileage out of it.

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> > I like to keep Epiphany's bookmark minimized as an icon on my Gnome
> > panel Windows Switcher.  I launch favourite URL sites from there.
> >
> > Is there a way to log out with the Bookmark icon on the panel and then
> > re-login so that the Bookmark is returned to the panel without opening
> > Epiphany in the foreground first?
>
> There is a .desktop file created for it, IIRC.  Also, you may like the
> deskbar-applet; I get a LOT of mileage out of it.

You might also like my Browser Bookmarks Menu applet, the fore-runner
of Deskbar applet.  A screenshot that explains everything is here:
http://browserbookapp.sourceforge.net/

Admittedly, I haven't touched BBM for about a year (since I now,
unsurprisingly, use Deskbar), so I'm not sure if it works perfectly
with the latest and greatest epiphany.  But let me know if it doesn't
work.

Nigel.
(founding author, Deskbar applet)

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Hi,

I have two questions.

1.) It seems epiphany 2.16 doesn't automatically search with Google,
when you type something what is not a URL in the address field. I can
understood this isn't default anymore, but can I activate it?

I really heavily use it and now got frustated when I type a big search
term and just got an error and my search term is deleted from the
address field and replaced with the URL of the current website.

2.) How can I deactivate the automatic expansion of "foo" to foo.com? I
type a hostname in my local network (which is not known by my computer)
or a keyword and it show me the corresponding .com website. It's pretty
useless for me, because 99% is spam/domain squatters or not related to
my needs.

Regards,

Keywan

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This isn't probably the official way to do it, but IANA Official
Epiphany Developer (TM).

There's a bunch of preferences you can tweak if you point Epiphany at
"about:config".  You don't get there through the menu system, you type
that into the location bar and hit Enter.


> 1.) It seems epiphany 2.16 doesn't automatically search with Google,
> when you type something what is not a URL in the address field. I can
> understood this isn't default anymore, but can I activate it?

Hmm... odd.  I was going to say "look for keyword.URL and
keyword.enabled - and change keyword.enabled to true".  This worked
for me in 2.14, but apparently not in 2.16.


> 2.) How can I deactivate the automatic expansion of "foo" to foo.com?

Look for things starting with browser.fixup, for example, set
browser.fixup.alternate.enabled to false.

Alternatively, a work-around is to explicitly add the http:// to the
start of your request.

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I'm a big fan of epiphany, and use it almost exclusively, but I miss
some extensions. Right now, since I've gone back to school for my
teaching credential and need to do a lot of web-based research, the
one I'd most like to see is a Scrapbook[1]-style extension that would
allow archiving, indexing and annotating webpages. How difficult would
something like that be? If it's possible, and doesn't require too much
effort, I might be able to help someone reduce their Amazon wish lists
by a few items (keeping in mind that I'm going back into debt to pay
for school).

[1] http://amb.vis.ne.jp/mozilla/scrapbook/

Michael Knepher

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Hi Martin,

Op dinsdag 12-09-2006 om 12:42 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Martin
Schön:

> Just extract it to the extensions directory and add "rss-reader" to the
> main makefile. I have only tested it with 2.14 yet, but it should work
> with cvs as well.

I tried this but configure told me I needed epiphany 2.17 (currently I'm
running 2.16 from mandriva cooker). Could anyone refresh my memory on
how to work around this? I'd rather avoid a jhbuild installation...

regards,

-- 
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Am Sonntag, den 24.09.2006, 00:37 +0200 schrieb Reinout van Schouwen:
> Hi Martin,
> 
> Op dinsdag 12-09-2006 om 12:42 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Martin
> Schön:
> 
> > Just extract it to the extensions directory and add "rss-reader" to the
> > main makefile. I have only tested it with 2.14 yet, but it should work
> > with cvs as well.
> 
> I tried this but configure told me I needed epiphany 2.17 (currently I'm
> running 2.16 from mandriva cooker). Could anyone refresh my memory on
> how to work around this? I'd rather avoid a jhbuild installation...
> 
> regards,
> 

In configure.ac, line 94 is the required epiphany version.


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Op zondag 24-09-2006 om 23:45 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Martin
Schön:

> In configure.ac, line 94 is the required epiphany version.

Okay so this is fixed now, but I'm still having a hard time making it
work.
I added rss-reader to BUILD_EXTENSIONS and DIST_EXTENSIONS in the
Makefile but it doesn't build. Running ./configure
--with-extensions=rss-reader tells me that the rss-reader extension
doesn't exist, even though it's extracted into the extensions/
directory.

I'm probably overlooking something blindingly obvious here... :-/

regards,

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Subject: Re: RSS reader extension
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Am Dienstag, den 26.09.2006, 00:56 +0200 schrieb Reinout van Schouwen:
> Op zondag 24-09-2006 om 23:45 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Martin
> Schön:
> 
> > In configure.ac, line 94 is the required epiphany version.
> 
> Okay so this is fixed now, but I'm still having a hard time making it
> work.
> I added rss-reader to BUILD_EXTENSIONS and DIST_EXTENSIONS in the
> Makefile but it doesn't build. Running ./configure
> --with-extensions=rss-reader tells me that the rss-reader extension
> doesn't exist, even though it's extracted into the extensions/
> directory.
> 
> I'm probably overlooking something blindingly obvious here... :-/
> 
> regards,

Ok, before we have to do a step-by-step, here is my (2.16) configure.ac
file. Put it in the base dir and rebuild. That should hopefully work.

bye
Martin

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# Copyright (c) 2003, 2004, 2005 Christian Persch
#
# This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it
# under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by the
# Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or (at your
# option) any later version.
#
# This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but
# WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
# MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the GNU
# General Public License for more details.
#
# You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License along
# with this program; if not, write to the Free Software Foundation, Inc.,
# 59 Temple Place, Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307  USA
#
# $Id: configure.ac,v 1.226 2006/08/08 21:50:17 jframeau Exp $

AC_INIT([GNOME Web Browser Extensions],[2.16.0],[http://bugzilla.gnome.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=epiphany-extensions],[epiphany-extensions])

GNOME_COMMON_INIT

EPIPHANY_API_VERSION=2.16

EPIPHANY_EXTENSIONS_MAJOR=2.16
AC_SUBST(EPIPHANY_EXTENSIONS_MAJOR)

AC_PREREQ([2.59])

AC_REVISION([$Revision: 1.226 $])

AC_CONFIG_SRCDIR([extensions])
AC_CONFIG_HEADERS([config.h])
AC_CONFIG_MACRO_DIR([m4])

AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE([1.9 foreign dist-bzip2 no-dist-gzip tar-ustar])

AM_MAINTAINER_MODE

AM_DISABLE_STATIC
AC_ENABLE_SHARED(yes)
AC_ENABLE_STATIC(no)

AM_PROG_LIBTOOL

AC_ISC_POSIX
AC_PROG_CC

AC_PROG_CXX
AC_HEADER_STDC
AC_PROG_INSTALL
AC_PROG_MAKE_SET

AC_PATH_PROG([GLIB_GENMARSHAL], [glib-genmarshal])

AC_SUBST([AM_CXXFLAGS])

GNOME_DEBUG_CHECK
GNOME_COMPILE_WARNINGS([maximum])
GNOME_CXX_WARNINGS

MORE_WARN_FLAGS=
DEPRECATION_FLAGS=
MOZILLA_WARN_CXXFLAGS="-Wno-ctor-dtor-privacy -Wno-non-virtual-dtor"

if test "x$enable_maintainer_mode" = "xyes"; then
	AC_DEFINE([MAINTAINER_MODE],[1],[Define to enable 'maintainer-only' behaviour])
	enable_debug=yes
        DEPRECATION_FLAGS="-DG_DISABLE_DEPRECATED -DGDK_DISABLE_DEPRECATED -DGDK_PIXBUF_DISABLE_DEPRECATED -DGCONF_DISABLE_DEPRECATED -DGNOME_VFS_DISABLE_DEPRECATED -DLIBGLADE_DISABLE_DEPRECATED -DPANGO_DISABLE_DEPRECATED -DGTK_DISABLE_DEPRECATED -DGNOME_DISABLE_DEPRECATED"
	MOZILLA_WARN_CXXFLAGS="-Wall -Wconversion -Wpointer-arith -Wcast-align -Woverloaded-virtual -Wsynth $MOZILLA_WARN_CXXFLAGS"
fi

# ********************************
# Internationalisation
# ********************************

IT_PROG_INTLTOOL([0.35.0])

GETTEXT_PACKAGE=epiphany-extensions-$EPIPHANY_API_VERSION
AC_SUBST([GETTEXT_PACKAGE])
AC_DEFINE_UNQUOTED([GETTEXT_PACKAGE],["$GETTEXT_PACKAGE"], [Gettext package])
AM_GLIB_GNU_GETTEXT

# ********************************
# Documentation
# ********************************

GNOME_DOC_INIT

# ********************************
# pkg config checks
# ********************************

EPIPHANY_REQUIRED=2.16.0
LIBXML_REQUIRED=2.6.0
LIBGLIB_REQUIRED=2.12.0
LIBGTK_REQUIRED=2.10.0

AC_SUBST([EPIPHANY_REQUIRED])
AC_SUBST([LIBXML_REQUIRED])
AC_SUBST([LIBGLIB_REQUIRED])
AC_SUBST([LIBGTK_REQUIRED])


EPIPHANY_EXTENSION_INIT([$EPIPHANY_API_VERSION], [$EPIPHANY_REQUIRED])

PKG_CHECK_MODULES([EPIPHANY_DEPENDENCY], [\
		  libxml-2.0 >= $LIBXML_REQUIRED \
		  libglade-2.0 \
		  glib-2.0 >= $LIBGLIB_REQUIRED \
		  gmodule-2.0 \
		  gtk+-2.0 >= $LIBGTK_REQUIRED \
		  epiphany-$EPIPHANY_API_VERSION >= $EPIPHANY_REQUIRED])
AC_SUBST([EPIPHANY_DEPENDENCY_CFLAGS])
AC_SUBST([EPIPHANY_DEPENDENCY_LIBS])

# TODO remove the EXTENSIONS_DIR var
EXTENSIONS_DIR=$EPIPHANY_EXTENSIONS_DIR
AC_SUBST([EXTENSIONS_DIR])

# *******************************
# Check for OpenSP
# *******************************

AC_MSG_CHECKING([whether OpenSP support is requested])
AC_ARG_ENABLE([opensp],
	      [ --enable-opensp=[yes,no]    Attempt to use OpenSP for SGML validation [default=yes]],
	      [enable_opensp="$enableval"],
	      [enable_opensp="yes"])
AC_MSG_RESULT([$enable_opensp])

if test "x$enable_opensp" != "xno"; then
	AC_LANG_PUSH([C++])

	AC_CHECK_HEADERS([OpenSP/config.h OpenSP/ParserEventGeneratorKit.h],
			 [have_opensp=yes],
			 [enable_opensp=no have_opensp=no])

	AC_LANG_POP([C++])

	if test "x$have_opensp" = "xno"; then
		AC_MSG_WARN([OpenSP is not installed; OpenSP support disabled])
	fi
fi

AM_CONDITIONAL([HAVE_OPENSP],[test "x$enable_opensp" = "xyes"])

# *******************************
# Extensions
# *******************************

AC_MSG_CHECKING([which extensions to build])

ALL_EXTENSIONS="actions adblock auto-reload auto-scroller certificates error-viewer extensions-manager-ui gestures greasemonkey java-console livehttpheaders page-info permissions push-scroller rss rss-reader sample sample-mozilla select-stylesheet sidebar smart-bookmarks tab-groups tab-states"
USEFUL_EXTENSIONS="actions auto-reload auto-scroller certificates error-viewer extensions-manager-ui gestures java-console page-info push-scroller select-stylesheet sidebar smart-bookmarks tab-groups tab-states"
DEFAULT_EXTENSIONS="actions auto-scroller certificates error-viewer extensions-manager-ui gestures java-console page-info push-scroller select-stylesheet sidebar smart-bookmarks tab-groups tab-states"

PYTHON_ALL_EXTENSIONS="python-console sample-python favicon"
PYTHON_USEFUL_EXTENSIONS="python-console favicon"
PYTHON_DEFAULT_EXTENSIONS="python-console favicon"

DIST_EXTENSIONS="$ALL_EXTENSIONS $PYTHON_ALL_EXTENSIONS"

if test $EPIPHANY_HAS_PYTHON; then
	ALL_EXTENSIONS="$ALL_EXTENSIONS $PYTHON_ALL_EXTENSIONS"
	USEFUL_EXTENSIONS="$USEFUL_EXTENSIONS $PYTHON_USEFUL_EXTENSIONS"
	DEFAULT_EXTENSIONS="$DEFAULT_EXTENSIONS $PYTHON_DEFAULT_EXTENSIONS"
else
	AC_MSG_WARN([Epiphany compiled without python support, extensions $PYTHON_ALL_EXTENSIONS will not be available])
fi

# due to an autoconf bug, commas in the first arg to
# AS_HELP_STRING() cause problems.
#
# AS_HELP_STRING(--with-extensions=ext1,ext2,...,build the specified extensions)
AC_ARG_WITH([extensions],
[  --with-extensions=extension1,extension2,...
			  build the specified extensions. Available:
			  actions, adblock, certificates,
			  error-viewer, extensions-manager-ui, gestures, livehttpheaders,
			  page-info, rss, sample, sampls-mozilla, select-stylesheet,
			  sidebar, smart-bookmarks, tab-groups,
			  as well as the aliases default, all, and really-all],
			  [extensions=$with_extensions],
			  [extensions="default"])

if test "x$with_extensions" = xyes; then
  extensions="default"
fi

need_python=no
EXTENSIONS=
IFS="${IFS=	}"; ephyext_save_ifs="$IFS"; IFS=","
for ext in $extensions; do
 if echo "$ALL_EXTENSIONS" | egrep "(^| )$ext(\$| )" > /dev/null; then
   EXTENSIONS="$EXTENSIONS $ext"
 elif test "x$ext" = "xdefault"; then
   EXTENSIONS="$EXTENSIONS $DEFAULT_EXTENSIONS"
 elif test "x$ext" = "xall"; then
   EXTENSIONS="$EXTENSIONS $USEFUL_EXTENSIONS"
 elif test "x$ext" = "xreally-all"; then
   EXTENSIONS="$EXTENSIONS $ALL_EXTENSIONS"
 else
   AC_MSG_ERROR([the specified extension $ext does not exist])
 fi
 
 if echo "$PYTHON_ALL_EXTENSIONS" | egrep "(^| )$ext(\$| )" > /dev/null; then
   need_python=yes
 fi
done
IFS="$ephyext_save_ifs"

AC_SUBST([DIST_EXTENSIONS])
AC_SUBST([BUILD_EXTENSIONS],[`echo $EXTENSIONS | tr ' ' '\n' | sort | uniq | tr '\n' ' '`])

AC_MSG_RESULT([$EXTENSIONS])

# ****
# DBUS
# ****

if echo "$EXTENSIONS" | egrep '(^| )(rss)($| )' > /dev/null; then
	DBUS_REQUIRED=0.34
	DBUS_GLIB_REQUIRED=0.34

	PKG_CHECK_MODULES([DBUS], [dbus-1 >= $DBUS_REQUIRED dbus-glib-1 >= $DBUS_GLIB_REQUIRED])
fi

# ****
# PCRE
# ****

if echo "$EXTENSIONS" | egrep '(^| )(adblock|greasemonkey)($| )' > /dev/null; then
	AC_PATH_PROG([PCRE_CONFIG], [pcre-config], [no])

	if test "x$PCRE_CONFIG" = "xno"; then
		AC_ERROR([pcre development files not found])
	fi

	PCRE_CFLAGS="`$PCRE_CONFIG --cflags`"
	AC_SUBST([PCRE_CFLAGS])
	PCRE_LIBS="`$PCRE_CONFIG --libs`"
	AC_SUBST([PCRE_LIBS])

	pcre_saved_CFLAGS=$CFLAGS
	pcre_saved_LIBS=$LIBS
	CFLAGS="$CFLAGS $PCRE_CFLAGS"
	LIBS="$LIBS $PCRE_LIBS"

	AC_CACHE_CHECK([whether libpcre was compiled with UTF-8 support],
		[ac_cv_have_preg_utf8_support],
		[AC_RUN_IFELSE(
		 	[AC_LANG_SOURCE(
				 [[#include <pcre.h>

				   int main() {
				     int t;
				     return (pcre_config (PCRE_CONFIG_UTF8, &t) || !t);
				   }]])],
			[ac_cv_have_preg_utf8_support="yes"],
			[ac_cv_have_preg_utf8_support="no"],
			[ac_cv_have_preg_utf8_support="maybe"])])

	CFLAGS=$pcre_saved_CFLAGS
	LIBS=$pcre_saved_LIBS

	if test "$ac_cv_have_preg_utf8_support" != "yes"; then
		AC_ERROR([pcre does not support utf-8])
	fi
fi

# ******
# Python
# ******

if test "x$need_python" = "xyes"; then
	AM_PATH_PYTHON([2.3])

	if test "x$PYTHON" = "x:"; then
		AC_MSG_ERROR([Python not found])
	fi
fi

# *******
# Mozilla
# *******

GECKO_INIT([MOZILLA])

AC_SUBST([MOZILLA])
AC_SUBST([MOZILLA_FLAVOUR])
AC_SUBST([MOZILLA_HOME])
AC_SUBST([MOZILLA_PREFIX])
AC_SUBST([MOZILLA_INCLUDE_ROOT])

case "$MOZILLA" in
xulrunner) min_version=1.8 ;;
*firefox) min_version=1.5 ;;
*) AC_MSG_ERROR([Unsupported gecko "$gecko_cv_gecko"]) ;;
esac

PKG_CHECK_MODULES([MOZILLA_COMPONENT],[${gecko_cv_gecko}-xpcom >= $min_version $gecko_cv_extra_pkg_dependencies])
AC_SUBST([MOZILLA_COMPONENT_CFLAGS])
AC_SUBST([MOZILLA_COMPONENT_LIBS])

# *****************
# Add warning flags
# *****************

AM_CPPFLAGS="$AM_CPPFLAGS $DEPRECATION_FLAGS"
AM_CFLAGS="$AM_CFLAGS $WARN_CFLAGS"
AM_CXXFLAGS="$AM_CXXFLAGS $WARN_CXXFLAGS $MOZILLA_WARN_CXXFLAGS"
AC_SUBST([AM_CPPFLAGS])
AC_SUBST([AM_CFLAGS])
AC_SUBST([AM_CXXFLAGS])

# *******************************
# share/data dir
# *******************************

if test "x${datadir}" = 'x${prefix}/share'; then
  if test "x${prefix}" = "xNONE"; then
    AC_DEFINE_UNQUOTED([EXTENSIONS_DATA_DIR], ["${ac_default_prefix}/share/${PACKAGE}-${EPIPHANY_EXTENSIONS_MAJOR}"], [Directory of data files])
  else
    AC_DEFINE_UNQUOTED([EXTENSIONS_DATA_DIR], ["${prefix}/share/${PACKAGE}-${EPIPHANY_EXTENSIONS_MAJOR}"], [Directory of data files])
  fi
else
  AC_DEFINE_UNQUOTED([EXTENSIONS_DATA_DIR], ["${datadir}/${PACKAGE}-${EPIPHANY_EXTENSIONS_MAJOR}"], [Directory of data files])
fi

# *******************************
# *******************************

AC_CONFIG_FILES([
Makefile
include/Makefile
extensions/Makefile
extensions/actions/Makefile
extensions/adblock/Makefile
extensions/auto-reload/Makefile
extensions/auto-scroller/Makefile
extensions/certificates/Makefile
extensions/gestures/Makefile
extensions/error-viewer/Makefile
extensions/error-viewer/mozilla/Makefile
extensions/error-viewer/opensp/Makefile
extensions/extensions-manager-ui/Makefile
extensions/favicon/Makefile
extensions/greasemonkey/Makefile
extensions/greasemonkey/mozilla/Makefile
extensions/livehttpheaders/Makefile
extensions/livehttpheaders/mozilla/Makefile
extensions/page-info/Makefile
extensions/page-info/mozilla/Makefile
extensions/permissions/Makefile
extensions/push-scroller/Makefile
extensions/python-console/Makefile
extensions/rss/Makefile
extensions/rss-reader/Makefile
extensions/sample/Makefile
extensions/sample-mozilla/Makefile
extensions/sample-mozilla/mozilla/Makefile
extensions/sample-python/Makefile
extensions/select-stylesheet/Makefile
extensions/select-stylesheet/mozilla/Makefile
extensions/sidebar/Makefile
extensions/smart-bookmarks/Makefile
extensions/smart-bookmarks/mozilla/Makefile
extensions/tab-states/Makefile
extensions/tab-groups/Makefile
extensions/java-console/Makefile
extensions/java-console/mozilla/Makefile
help/Makefile
po/Makefile.in
])

AC_OUTPUT

# *************************************
# *************************************

if test "$EPIPHANY_HAS_PYTHON" = "1"; then enable_python="yes"; else enable_python="no"; fi

echo "
Epiphany Extensions was configured with the following options:
        
	Source code location       : $srcdir
	Compiler                   : $CC
	Prefix                     : $prefix
	Extra debugging support    : $enable_debug

	Epiphany API version	   : $EPIPHANY_API_VERSION
	Epiphany has Python	   : $enable_python

	Gecko backend              : $gecko_cv_gecko version $gecko_cv_gecko_version

	OpenSP			   : $enable_opensp	

	Extensions		   : $EXTENSIONS
"

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Subject: Force new windows to tabs?  "Highlight All" on search?
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Hi Guys,

First of all, thanks for Epiphany.  I like the Gnome integration, the
memory footprint, and the fact that it is a browser by the
Unix/Linux/BSD community, for the Unix/Linux/BSD community, unlike some
other browser makers who are becoming increasingly difficult to deal
with.

Anyway, I'm migrating to Epiphany and there are a couple of features I'm
missing.  I'm hoping that I'm just not looking in the right place.

I'd like to be able to force anything that would normally open in a new
window to open in a tab in the current window.

Also, I find it quite handy to be able to have all instances of my
search term highlighted when I do a find (ctrl-f).

Thanks for any assistance,
Steve Bergman




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I recently asked about this. Let me paste the relevant conversations for
you. Sorry I know this is long guys, Just wanted to put this in here so
we don't all have to repeat ourselves.

Brendan

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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 16:27:52 -0500
From: Brendan Martens <shrift@gmail.com>
Subject: epiphany tab functionality
To: epiphany-list@gnome.org
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Hi. I generally love epiphany but there is one real show stopper for me.
I cannot tell epiphany to force new windows into a new tab. I feel like
this is a required option, especially given the varied user base that
epiphany has. Maybe I'm just missing something, but as far as I can tell
there is no where to define this. Does anyone know about how I could
change that / if not, is it possible to include as an option for the
next release? For the record, I'm using 2.14.3.

Also, Epiphany tabs will not ctrl+tab or ctrl+shift+tab cycle. I am
quite used to this as most gnome apps support this functionality, is it
possible to get that into Epiphany as well?

I'd love to fill out a feature request if that is the next step for
these things... Just thought I'd check here first.

Thanks!





Message: 1
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 01:19:25 +0200
From: Stefan Stuhr <gnomelists@sstuhr.dk>
Subject: Re: epiphany tab functionality
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fre, 25 08 2006 kl. 16:27 -0500, skrev Brendan Martens:
> Also, Epiphany tabs will not ctrl+tab or ctrl+shift+tab cycle. I am
> quite used to this as most gnome apps support this functionality, is
it
> possible to get that into Epiphany as well?

You can use my "Tab Key Tab Navigate" extension for this. It's available
at http://www.sstuhr.dk/epiphany-extensions/

Also; which true GNOME applications support this (without the use of
extensions/plugins)?

Stefan





Thanks for your feedback. Indeed this is not the first time that the 
subject has been brought up. Epiphany doesn't have a way to force popup 
windows into tabs (if I recall correctly, this decision was made in the 
early days because it could break proper functioning of some web
sites). 
However, you can block popups and unhide them if you encounter a
blocked 
popup that you want to see. Also, you can tell Epiphany to open pages 
that are requested by another process in a new tab, you can do this by 
going into the Preferred Applications preference window and selecting 
the corresponding radio button.

regards,

-- 
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email: reinout@cs.vu.nl    ***  mobile phone: +31-6-44360778
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Popups should never be forced into new tabs - new windows should be able
to.
That is, normal links and forms with target="_blank" could go to a new
tab
instead, while javascripts window.open is not modified.

Firefox has had this functionality for a very long time, and I've never
seen
it break anything. There just is no functional difference between the
two:
in both cases the new window/tab gains focus, so it's not hidden like
with
middle click. And well, it just works since it is essentially the same
thing: two tabs in one or two windows.

 -- Stoffe







Message: 1
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 11:23:11 -0500
From: Brendan Martens <shrift@gmail.com>
Subject: epiphany tab functionality
To: epiphany-list@gnome.org
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I understand that pop ups should not be placed in tabs, obviously. I
speak only of new windows. 

I understand that gnome shoots to be simple, and just "do what the user
wants" out of the box. But sometimes (imagine this) different users want
different things! Epiphany should allow users that want to to force new
windows into new tabs instead. I believe this has been at least an
extension available in Firefox. 

Which behavior is default, I don't care, that is perfect question for
the usability arguments, but please let those of us that want it to work
a certain way choose that!

Sorry if that is a bit of a rant... But it stems from a genuine desire
for Epiphany to be better!


For ^tabbing I guess if that is against the gnome HIG, obviously that is
how it should be. But thanks for that extension Stefan! Unfortunately it
doesn't seem to work, I have no /.gnome2/epiphany/plugins directory! I
tried creating it, and the extension did nothing? I run Dapper... Can
you point me in the right direction here?


Thank you all for reading and caring about this!


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wrote:
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:30:25 -0500
> From: Steve Bergman <sbergman@rueb.com>
> Subject: Force new windows to tabs?  "Highlight All" on search?
> To: epiphany-list@gnome.org
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> 
> Hi Guys,
> 
> First of all, thanks for Epiphany.  I like the Gnome integration, the
> memory footprint, and the fact that it is a browser by the
> Unix/Linux/BSD community, for the Unix/Linux/BSD community, unlike
> some
> other browser makers who are becoming increasingly difficult to deal
> with.
> 
> Anyway, I'm migrating to Epiphany and there are a couple of features
> I'm
> missing.  I'm hoping that I'm just not looking in the right place.
> 
> I'd like to be able to force anything that would normally open in a
> new
> window to open in a tab in the current window.
> 
> Also, I find it quite handy to be able to have all instances of my
> search term highlighted when I do a find (ctrl-f).
> 
> Thanks for any assistance,
> Steve Bergman
> 


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Thanks.

Sounds like we are talking about he same thing.  Force target="_blank_"
links into new tabs, but leave popups alone.

IIRC, FF introduced this in 1.0.x as an about:config option.

In 1.5 they were confident enough to make it a full fledged option in
edit->preferences

I just checked, and in 2.0rc1 it is the default setting.  And the FF
devs have as much experience with tabbed browsing best practices as
anyone, I'd say.

Tabbed browsing just makes matters worse if it descends into this sort
of mess: 

"Hmmm.  I know that what I want is in a tab... somewhere.  It's one of
the tabs in one of these browser windows..."

Forcing new windows into tabs means that you can just go to your browser
window and pick the proper tab from there.  Keeps the window list clean,
and all your pages are collected into tabs all in one place.

-Steve




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Hi, I once filed this bug (more like a feature request) which would be
quite handy if implemented, IMO.

http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=330890

Basically, if I have two open tabs, one containing a web from the
"software" bookmark group and the other containing a web from the "news"
group, the gidget should change depending which of both tabs is active.

So, what do you think about it?

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Hi, I once filed this bug (more like a feature request) which would be quite handy if implemented, IMO.<BR>
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Hi,

I thus far have not been able to find the answer to this
question... How can I get Epiphany to use something other than
acroread (in particular, xpdf) to view PDFs?

The same question could in principle apply to other app viewers.

Note that I do not use Gnome, but regardless, Nautilus is set to use
xpdf by default (I had read somewhere that Epiphany supposedly used
the default, but I'm not sure if I'm true).

Thanks,

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On Wed, 2006-09-27 at 22:55 -0400, Michael V. De Palatis wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I thus far have not been able to find the answer to this
> question... How can I get Epiphany to use something other than
> acroread (in particular, xpdf) to view PDFs?
> 

As a Gnome app, it should use the default application for that file
type.

In Gnome 2.14, I just tried it.  In Nautilus, right-clicking on a pdf
file and selecting "properties->open with", I found that xpdf is the
default for .pdf files.  Opening a pdf with epiphany opens it in xpdf.
I changed it in nautilus to use "Document Viewer" (Evince) and now
epiphany opens it in evince.

-Steve


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On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 09:03:37AM -0500, Steve Bergman wrote:
> On Wed, 2006-09-27 at 22:55 -0400, Michael V. De Palatis wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I thus far have not been able to find the answer to this
> > question... How can I get Epiphany to use something other than
> > acroread (in particular, xpdf) to view PDFs?
> > 
> 
> As a Gnome app, it should use the default application for that file
> type.
> 
> In Gnome 2.14, I just tried it.  In Nautilus, right-clicking on a pdf
> file and selecting "properties->open with", I found that xpdf is the
> default for .pdf files.  Opening a pdf with epiphany opens it in xpdf.
> I changed it in nautilus to use "Document Viewer" (Evince) and now
> epiphany opens it in evince.

Well, unfortunately that doesn't work for me. I should be forced into
using the Gnome settings daemon just so that I can get my web browser
to use the appropriate helper applications that I want.

This is really probably my biggest complaint about Epiphany -- It is
over-reliant in areas such as this on being a Gnome application, which
means that those of us who prefer not to use Gnome have a harder time
using it.

Are there any other ways to get around me having to run
gnome-settings-daemon?

-- 
Michael V. De Palatis
Georgia Institute of Technology
School of Physics
837 State Street
Atlanta, GA 30332-0430

mvd 'at' gatech [dot] edu
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On 9/28/06, Michael V. De Palatis <mvd@gatech.edu> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 09:03:37AM -0500, Steve Bergman wrote:
> > As a Gnome app, it should use the default application for that file
> > type.
> >
> > In Gnome 2.14, I just tried it.  In Nautilus, right-clicking on a pdf
> > file and selecting "properties->open with", I found that xpdf is the
> > default for .pdf files.  Opening a pdf with epiphany opens it in xpdf.
> > I changed it in nautilus to use "Document Viewer" (Evince) and now
> > epiphany opens it in evince.
>
> Well, unfortunately that doesn't work for me. I should be forced into
> using the Gnome settings daemon just so that I can get my web browser
> to use the appropriate helper applications that I want.
>
> This is really probably my biggest complaint about Epiphany -- It is
> over-reliant in areas such as this on being a Gnome application, which
> means that those of us who prefer not to use Gnome have a harder time
> using it.

There are other non-GNOME browsers.  From the project page:

"Epiphany is the web browser for the GNOME desktop. .... Epiphany ties
together many GNOME components in order to let you focus on the Web
content, instead of the browser application. As part of the GNOME
project....

...fits in perfectly with GNOME...."

I'm fairly sure they're targeting the GNOME desktop, and are thusly
making it easiest for its users.  I, for one, appreciate the
simplicity over using Firefox with its rather complicated
implementation of filetypes and actions.

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On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 12:37:07PM -0400, Andrew Conkling wrote:
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> > On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 09:03:37AM -0500, Steve Bergman wrote:
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> > > type.
> > >
> > > In Gnome 2.14, I just tried it.  In Nautilus, right-clicking on a pdf
> > > file and selecting "properties->open with", I found that xpdf is the
> > > default for .pdf files.  Opening a pdf with epiphany opens it in xpdf.
> > > I changed it in nautilus to use "Document Viewer" (Evince) and now
> > > epiphany opens it in evince.
> >
> > Well, unfortunately that doesn't work for me. I should be forced into
> > using the Gnome settings daemon just so that I can get my web browser
> > to use the appropriate helper applications that I want.
> >
> > This is really probably my biggest complaint about Epiphany -- It is
> > over-reliant in areas such as this on being a Gnome application, which
> > means that those of us who prefer not to use Gnome have a harder time
> > using it.
> 
> There are other non-GNOME browsers.  From the project page:
> <snip>
> 
> I'm fairly sure they're targeting the GNOME desktop, and are thusly
> making it easiest for its users.  I, for one, appreciate the
> simplicity over using Firefox with its rather complicated
> implementation of filetypes and actions.

Certainly. But I like Epiphany over Firefox for a number of reasons
(see, e.g., the recent issues between Debian and the Mozilla
Foundation; also, e.g., the lighter interface). I just wish there was
a way to use the browser *without* having to use Gnome in order to get
it to work properly. This is really the only area in which I'm having
a problem thus far.

Also, I said earlier that I don't want to have to run
gnome-settings-daemon. I'm not sure if this would solve the problem or
not, actually, but it's just a guess. To reiterate, I do have nautilus
configured to use xpdf, despite not using nautilus, and Epiphany still
tries to use acroread (this is another point which I didn't
mention... it doesn't actually *succeed* in starting acroread... I
have to manually kill the processes or else the browser just freezes).

-- 
Michael V. De Palatis
Georgia Institute of Technology
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837 State Street
Atlanta, GA 30332-0430

mvd 'at' gatech [dot] edu
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On 9/27/06, David Prieto <frandavid100@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Hi, I once filed this bug (more like a feature request) which would be
> quite handy if implemented, IMO.
Hi \o

>
>  http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=330890
>
>  Basically, if I have two open tabs, one containing a web from the
> "software" bookmark group and the other containing a web from the "news"
> group, the gidget should change depending which of both tabs is active.
>
>  So, what do you think about it?
Makes sense, I actually used to think that it worked like that :/.


o/

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Well in the worse scenario you can always create an alias for xpdf or
acroread pointing to your preferred reader or in the _really_ worse
scenario you can make /usr/bin/whatever a symlink to your preferred
reader bin.

:)


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This might be a silly mail but anyway I thought someone could find the
time to do it:

Gnome-women list has a nice personalized html for the suscription page
of mailman:
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-women-list

Maybe the epiphany one could have at least the Ephy icon or some links
to the wiki/website.


It's just niceness for a little traffic list but anyway it's worth
doing while on vacations (if someone is on vacations).


See ya \o/

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Hi all,

Dnia 20-09-2006, śro o godzinie 11:59 +1000, Nigel Tao napisał(a):

> Look for things starting with browser.fixup, for example, set
> browser.fixup.alternate.enabled to false.
> 
It doesn't work for me: the only effect is that "www." and ".com" are no
longer appended to the address making it even worse. 

Some more general comments:

Is there a solution? What is the reason to change address bar behavior
comparing to 2.14?

I can see the following problems (I feel it must have been discussed,
but I can't find it in the list archive):

1. Users outside the USA might expect autocomplete to append their
domain (like .pl or .de) and not .com: I have tried several popular
Polish addresses (big portals, online bookstores, online banks) and NONE
was correctly resolved using .com. You might say that it's their fault:
should have bought .com too... And register trademarks worldwide... 

2. Some might (well, I'm only speculating here) expect the most
popular/obvious site to be contacted (just go to gnome.com). This
problem is probably most evident with a clean install: no bookmarks, no
history, no hints when you type in an address.  

3. When I put a space between words I get an error (that an url is not
valid). 

If searching the internet from address bar is not a desirable default (I
can understand that), appending .com neither is, especially when you
don't visit .com sites that often. 

I still think that advantages of epiphany outweigh this problem, I can
change my habits again (changed from firefox only recently), but .com is
just wrong idea in my opinion.

Best,
Rafał Próchniak



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Hi all,

My apologies. I thought I searched Gnome Bugzilla for this issue, until
I found #350053. So it seems this is not Epiphany's fault, which makes
my rant obviously pointless...

Once again, thank you for Epiphany and keep up the good work!

Cheers,
Rafał